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About the "biochemistry of betrayal"

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About the "biochemistry of betrayal"



Yesterday on the channel "Russia" showed the film "Biochemistry of betrayal." I think the film is necessary, and to some extent sign. Why is this film important and necessary?

It is no secret that purposeful activities were conducted against our country in its destruction since the time of the First World War. It is no secret that the February Revolution is the result of the efforts of England and America. It is no secret that the struggle against the Soviet people continued after the Second World War. However, the film allows a new look at the role in the collapse of the USSR national issue.

After some thought, I decided for myself that the national map was decisive in 1991. The collapse of the Union did not solve economic problems in individual regions. On the contrary, he only aggravated them. The film shows how people from two different offices of Radio Liberty drink coffee together, and then disperse and start throwing mud at Azerbaijanis from the pro-Armenian office, and, accordingly, Armenians from the pro-Azerbaijani office.

The national question decided the fate of the USSR. The project was a success, which means that it can be applied to Russia as well, it’s also multinational. And what do we hear lately? The “nationalist” Navalny breaks the storm of applause. It is a national card that Navalny plays a game called “a successful politician”. I think many will be attracted by his slogans and promises addressed to the Russian population of our country. But they will in fact prove destructive for Russia, and ultimately for the Russians themselves. Do not for a moment forget who is behind Navalny, about those who hide behind slogans for Russians.

The game of the West in the collapse of Russia begins, and evidence of this is the events in Ukraine. The collapse of Russia will be carried out by our own hands, as in the 1991 year. We will be in the next fit of anger to throw off the tribute we pay to the Caucasus. For the sake of an unfinished kindergarten and an unrepaired hospital, we will crush the regime that gave Russia at the Olympics moment to feel like a great country. Since there, in the West, such a triumph will not be forgiven to us.

And the next POA has long been created. Low bow to the creators of the film for the fact that along with Vlasov and Rezun I saw Sobchak, Novodvorskaya, “Pussy Rayot” and the rest of the host of those who wish to save Russia from dictatorship.

The sign of the film, I believe, is that at last the realization has begun that the war against Russia has not ended and is unlikely to end while we are alive. I think the time has come when everyone has to decide whether he is with Russia or he is a “Vlasovite”. And the choice may well have to be done very soon, given the events in Ukraine. Finally, I will cite two quotes that fully reflect the relations between Russia and the West, and Russia and the liberals.

"Only when everyone dies will the big game end."
"You can not be a patriot of Russia, fighting with her."
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  1. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 18 February 2014 07: 30
    +45
    I haven’t seen the film yet, because I don’t like and don’t hold the TV, but the article / post is excellent. Subscribe to each.

    The author is a fatty plus.
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      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 08: 48
        +9
        People, who watched this film, where is this?
        Quote: Asgard
        And what is interesting, it was announced that the "Vlasov rag" (quote from the film)) hangs over the Kremlin and the State Duma ..
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 18 February 2014 09: 15
          +20
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          People, who watched this film, where is this?
          Quote: Asgard
          And what is interesting, it was announced that the "Vlasov rag" (quote from the film)) hangs over the Kremlin and the State Duma ..


          This quote is not in the movie! And why on earth is the tricolor - "Vlasov rag"? This flag has more than 300 hundred years of history. As Erg correctly noted, the Vlasovites used symbols stylized as the St. Andrew's flag (chevrons).
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 09: 20
            +9
            Quote: RUSS
            This quote is not in the movie!

            I see. Thanks.
          2. GDP
            GDP 18 February 2014 15: 50
            +2
            "Vlasov rag" (quote from the film)) hangs over the Kremlin and the State Duma ...
            - And why on earth is the tricolor - "Vlasov rag"? This flag has more than 300 hundred years of history

            In general, of course, the swastika in Russia has an even more ancient history. But under the banner of the tricolor, the Vlasovites killed immeasurably less Russian people than under the flag with a swastika ...
            If not tricolor, then what? White-yellow-black flag of the Habsburgs?
        2. Fin
          Fin 18 February 2014 09: 19
          +32
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          People, who watched this film, where is this?

          There was a moment when "human rights activist" Kovalev said that he didn't care what rag hung over the Kremlin.
          I liked the film, I had to add Shenderovich, Latynina, Albats and other "patriots".
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 09: 22
            +15
            Quote: Fin
            Kovalev says that he doesn’t care what kind of rag hangs over the Kremlin.

            With Kovalev everything is clear, with Asgard too.
          2. a52333
            a52333 18 February 2014 10: 19
            +21
            I liked the film, I had to add Shenderovich, Latynina, Albats and other "patriots".

            I'm afraid the film would drag out for a week. These freaks have bred.

            Fortunately, the law on NPOs began to bear fruit:
            The oldest Russian human rights organization, the Moscow Helsinki Group (MHG), was forced to reduce the number of employees several times, as well as to cut the salary of the rest.

            I hope the number of these "Vlasov children" will begin to dry up.
            1. a52333
              a52333 18 February 2014 10: 22
              +26
              I want to eat!!!! Give me some food !!!! wink
              1. Foxmara
                Foxmara 18 February 2014 11: 03
                +10
                Quote: a52333
                I want to eat!!!! Give me some food !!!!

                no. She asks: give in the face, cobweb hebbers!
                1. predator.3
                  predator.3 18 February 2014 11: 35
                  +32
                  Quote: Foxmara
                  no. She asks:
                  1. predator.3
                    predator.3 18 February 2014 11: 45
                    +12
                    Relatives?!
                    1. angarchanin
                      angarchanin 18 February 2014 13: 33
                      +4
                      "Handshake" ...
                    2. valokordin
                      valokordin 18 February 2014 14: 12
                      +12
                      This is the grandmother of Russian democracy and her faithful grandson.
                    3. saber1357
                      saber1357 18 February 2014 22: 44
                      0
                      Did not have time D.A. move your hand away, see how quickly the grandmother-hedgehog grabbed her. DEM, dear, develop a reaction so that the next time you move your hands faster! Take the example of GDP
                  2. mirag2
                    mirag2 18 February 2014 13: 09
                    +2
                    How?
                    Something like that request-time ...
                    Yes, and according to your deeds, your reward.
                  3. kartalovkolya
                    kartalovkolya 20 February 2014 09: 40
                    0
                    The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue! So I'm still alive! And we have not arrived yet!
              2. valokordin
                valokordin 18 February 2014 14: 10
                +1
                kind of full old woman Shapoklyak, just a witch
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 14: 24
                  +4
                  Quote: valokordin
                  view of the full old woman Shapoklyak

                  the whisper in the shower was sweet and fluffy, and this one in the shower (if any) had one g ...
                2. Al_lexx
                  Al_lexx 18 February 2014 23: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: valokordin
                  kind of full old woman Shapoklyak, just a witch

                  What kind of witch is there? Just maddened (sorry) for the whole head of a Jew who wants money, a TV.

                  ...
                  By the way, I have a lot of friends and just acquaintances of the Jews. Often, amazing, very honest, sensitive, kind and responsible people for every word. It seems to me that it's just that this people has a little bit too much. Those. if good, then full sweetheart, and if shit, then it’s not compared to anyone else.
                  And of course, in certain Jewish circles, incest is of great importance in one form or another. This very thing affects the general and brain development.
                  1. RND
                    RND 19 February 2014 00: 08
                    +1
                    I completely agree. The best friend was in urgent need with an entry in the military ID "Jew", and we served in the special forces, where the shitties are immediately visible.
                    For Shapoklyak, Shapoklyak herself should be insulted, and to this creature - a cattle cemetery, if the cattle are taken ...
              3. cumastra1
                cumastra1 18 February 2014 19: 10
                0
                no, "where is my preference?"
              4. cumastra1
                cumastra1 18 February 2014 19: 10
                +1
                no, "where is my preference?"
            2. bomg.77
              bomg.77 18 February 2014 12: 26
              +15
              Quote: a52333
              I'm afraid the film would drag out for a week. These freaks have bred.
              For good reason, these films began to be shown and openly declared traitors and traitors, Putin did not even wait for the end of the Olympiad. There, they already started to clean up))
              Ekaterina Pavlova Appointed New General Director of Echo of Moscow
              it's only the beginning.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 18 February 2014 12: 36
                +9
                it's only the beginning.

                Oh, we live in an interesting time, everyone is waiting for the "Post-Olympic" time, like a new era!
                1. ramzes1776
                  ramzes1776 18 February 2014 22: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: RUSS
                  it's only the beginning.

                  Oh, we live in an interesting time, everyone is waiting for the "Post-Olympic" time, like a new era!

                  It's time to put the Americans back in place. How much can be endured already.
                  1. July
                    July 19 February 2014 00: 17
                    -5
                    And who will deliver? Putin He himself at their direction and with their permission only steers.
                    His money is under ov’s control, and without money he’s no one and no way to call.
                    All of his "patriotic" songs, only for internal use, should hang another noodles on the ears of the electorate.
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 19 February 2014 16: 12
                      +2
                      Quote: July
                      His money is under ov’s control,

                      Aren't you tired of it yourself?
                      More cunningly twisted already new plate twist, and you all old hackneyed.
                      Moreover, a nickname was specially chosen for a month equidistant from spring and summer, as they say _ To avoid undesirable associations?
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 13: 54
                +11
                Quote: bomg.77
                For good reason, these films began to be shown and openly declared traitors and traitors

                not really shoot the bastards will start, Lord you heard me
                1. 31231
                  31231 18 February 2014 14: 46
                  +4
                  not really shoot the bastards will start, Lord you heard me


                  Og, prelude from the gavnomet.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 14: 55
                    +2
                    shit is a valuable product; it’s not better to field it, but just hang them, and don’t knock out the stool, just pull the rope so that they’ll die out for longer and not take off until they fall off
                  2. samoletil18
                    samoletil18 18 February 2014 20: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: 31231
                    prelude from garnomet

                    It is necessary for science - from a mortar
                2. bomg.77
                  bomg.77 18 February 2014 15: 18
                  +4
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  not really start to shoot bastards,
                  Shoot ..... I doubt it, but they will drive me to the stall.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 16: 27
                    +4
                    but this is not necessary, "bloody gebnya" at one time, instead of slapping some already into the stall, we still slurp, gangrene-amputation
                3. Danash I
                  Danash I 18 February 2014 16: 20
                  0
                  I'm not deaf, my son wink
              3. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 18 February 2014 14: 34
                +8
                Quote: bomg.77
                For good reason, these films began to be shown and openly declared traitors and traitors, Putin did not even wait for the end of the Olympiad. There, they already started to clean up))
                Ekaterina Pavlovato will still be appointed as the new general director of Echo of Moscow.

                It is necessary to attract outcasts who cooperate with the Latvian museum under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and the owner of the Vlasov museum should be offered to move to Riga with their "property" ...
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 14: 46
                  +8
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  to the owner of the museum of Vlasov to offer to move

                  spank
                2. bomg.77
                  bomg.77 18 February 2014 15: 24
                  +4
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  It is necessary to attract outcasts who cooperate with the Latvian museum under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and the owner of the Vlasov museum should be offered to move to Riga with their "property" ...
                  Ilyich hiIt’s easy to get off, it’s better to work))) to the north of Russia, at least partially to make up for the damage caused to the country.
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 18 February 2014 18: 23
                    +3
                    Quote: bomg.77
                    It’s easy to get off, it’s better to work))) to the north of Russia, at least partially to make up for the damage caused to the country.

                    Alex, welcome! hi
                    No wonder I mentioned the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - everything should be LAW.
                    1. bomg.77
                      bomg.77 18 February 2014 19: 06
                      +3
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      No wonder I mentioned the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - everything should be LAW.
                      How I would like to continue your phrase "BY THE LAW" of wartime, is sentenced to the highest punishment-execution!
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 19: 13
                        +3
                        Quote: bomg.77
                        to shoot!

                        HANGING !!!!
                        they didn’t deserve execution
                3. arane
                  arane 19 February 2014 15: 56
                  +1
                  We have Paris in the Chelyabinsk region, maybe there is Riga in Magadan?
              4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 18: 47
                +3
                Quote: bomg.77
                For good reason, these films began to be shown and openly declared traitors and traitors, Putin did not even wait for the end of the Olympiad. There, they already started to clean up))


                not really in the subject but ...
                Pussy Riot activist Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, who, along with associate Maria Alekhina, was detained in Sochi, said police were beaten.

                "They dragged me face-first into the parquet floor throughout the assembly hall of the department, wringing my hands and throwing me on the floor. Putin will teach you to love your homeland!" - wrote Tolokonnikova in her microblog.

                According to the activist, the police used force not only against her, but also against the journalists detained with her. "Outright chaos, even we are amazed. Beat squads on the floor in the Olympic capital!" she added

                Read full article: http://top.rbc.ru/society/18/02/2014/905847.shtml
                1. bomg.77
                  bomg.77 18 February 2014 18: 55
                  +6
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  not really in the subject but ...
                  Pussy Riot activist Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, who, along with associate Maria Alekhina, was detained in Sochi, said police were beaten.
                  So the clowns are being pulled up)) These mockery, also the bloody regime strangles laughing
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 19: 03
                    +6
                    Quote: bomg.77
                    These bloats, also a bloody regime strangles

                    no, he simply doesn’t let them to tarh in public places, that’s what an infringement of rights and freedoms, nor those hens in n ... thrust a group into a museum - SATRAPS !!!!
                2. Cynic
                  Cynic 18 February 2014 19: 18
                  +4
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  "I was dragged with my face into the parquet floor throughout the assembly hall of the department,

                  But policemen live well, parquet in the assembly hall, and even the assembly hall in the department.
                  And generally speaking ! What were they doing there in the assembly hall!
                  belay
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                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 18 February 2014 20: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      what immodest questions? !!!

                      In the sense that in doing so
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      facing the floor

                      what
                  2. arane
                    arane 19 February 2014 16: 00
                    +1
                    Maybe there was a raid on prostitutes?
              5. Starina_hank
                Starina_hank 18 February 2014 20: 08
                +1
                The fish rots from the head, but they clean it from the tail!
              6. Al_lexx
                Al_lexx 18 February 2014 23: 49
                0
                Quote: bomg.77
                Quote: a52333
                I'm afraid the film would drag out for a week. These freaks have bred.
                For good reason, these films began to be shown and openly declared traitors and traitors, Putin did not even wait for the end of the Olympiad. There, they already started to clean up))
                Ekaterina Pavlova Appointed New General Director of Echo of Moscow
                it's only the beginning.

                Well ... GDP, in a certain sense, is also a member of a certain kaganate. The question is what and how certain kagaly will share.
                And nothing else is happening in the world. Well, except that the jihad and permanent aspirations of India and China, where the kagal a priori do not take root.
            3. Bezz
              Bezz 18 February 2014 15: 46
              +10
              Quote: a52333
              I hope the number of these "Vlasov children" will begin to dry up.

              For various reasons, they become traitors, BUT
              why make them HEROES ???

              If Vlasov is a traitor, do not expose him as a fighter for the freedom of Soviet citizens, he was a Hitler six, an active traitor.

              But Karbyshev, Maresyev, Pokryshkin, Sailors, Kosmodemyanskaya and millions of unknown heroes who defended their homeland, they are heroes.

              As for Gorby, he’s the second Kerensky, who methodically destroyed the country for 6 years,
              thoughtfully, verified, purposefully ...

              Yeltsin is only a capable and beloved student, selected from a host of the same power-hungry drunks, yielding to flattery, fame.

              Gorbi-Yakovlev’s resemblance to Kerensky is striking.
              Up to the analogy of the Kornilov-GKChP.

              Yeltsin, as it were, legitimately received power in a fragment of the country. in the Russian Federation, thanks to the theatrical performance of the State Emergency Committee-August 1991.

              And he began the methodical destruction of the Russian Federation,
              the war unleashed by him in Chechnya - the prologue of the military collapse of the Russian Federation a la the collapse of the SFRY.

              And Putin, whatever his path until 1999,
              stopped the collapse of the country, like
              Bolsheviks since October 1917.
          3. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 10: 45
            +6
            Quote: Fin
            it was necessary to add Shenderovich, Latynina, Albats and other "patriots".

            not all of them ...
            I think many refused to appear ...
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 11: 34
              +7
              Quote: DanaF1
              not all of them ...

              not all of them are stupid ...
              (I put another word, but it was erased)

              meaning that some understood how shooting in this film could end for them ...
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 12: 35
                +1
                Quote: DanaF1
                (I put another word, but it was erased)

                Madam. How embarrassed you are to write such words belay
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 12: 39
                  +7
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Madam. How embarrassed you are to write such words

                  it is not obscene !!!
                  it denotes the condition of a person suffering from congenital dementia ...
                  Incidentally, the medical term!
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 12: 40
                    0
                    Quote: DanaF1

                    it is not obscene !!!

                    I know.
                    Quote: DanaF1
                    Incidentally, the medical term!

                    Then you can simply write- sh.i.z.i.k.wink
                    1. Danafxnumx
                      Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 12: 44
                      +5
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Then you can simply write- sh.i.z.i.k.

                      no ... sh.i.z.i.k. - a man with schizophrenia ...
                      I meant I.D.O.T.A.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 13: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        no

                        With a soft sign, okay accepted laughing
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        I meant I.D.O.T.A.

                        But what about ...
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        Incidentally, the medical term!

                        In my opinion, in this case, a pronounced schiza, with pronounced fantasies of a manic character in relation to its homeland, is heated by a certain amount of dollars.
                        And the I.D.O.T. is more suitable for McKein (given the number of his planes crashed by him) hi
                      2. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 13: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        But what about ...
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        Incidentally, the medical term!

                        this is the medical term, you can check wink
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        In my opinion, in this case, a pronounced schiza, with pronounced fantasies of a manic character in relation to its homeland, is heated by a certain amount of dollars.

                        dementia of schizophrenia does not interfere, these are two different diseases that can be combined in one person ...
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And the I.D.O.T. is more suitable for McKein (given the number of his planes crashed by him)

                        maybe at first he was a * jot, but now, strongly disagrees ...
                        against the background of the fact that he was not allowed to be airplanes, he began obsessive-compulsive disorder and obsessive state syndrome to the heap wassat
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 13: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        this is the medical term, you can check

                        Dana, as I understand you are a psychiatrist? If yes, then I have a question - why did you release ALL of them from the asylum? There are not enough places or doctors are tired of bone marrow laughing
                      4. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 13: 29
                        +3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Dana, as I understand you are a psychiatrist?

                        I am an organizational psychologist ...
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        If yes, then I have a question - why did you release ALL of them from the asylum? There are not enough places or doctors are tired of bone marrow

                        this is a multi-way laughing
                        look at them all, and think, nafig-nafig bully
                      5. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 13: 43
                        +3
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        I am an organizational psychologist ..

                        I heard about organized crime, but there are no organized psychologists laughing There are many of us on the site and we are here for you experimental rabbits yes what
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        look at them all, and think, nafig-nafig

                        Strange, but in Moscow they are terribly popular, Bulk not a weak percentage in the election received, the question is why? -Set in view of your place of residence wink
                      6. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 13: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        but about organized psychologists there aren’t many of us here and we are experimental rabbits for you, yes

                        organizational psychologists deal with personnel management issues in companies wink
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        but in Moscow they are terribly popular, Bulk did not get a weak percentage in the election, the question is why? -Set in view of your place of residence

                        everything is simple here:
                        1. we have many people who have no relation to Moscow as such, but moved to us a few years ago ... as a rule, these are young, creative and proactive supporters of bulk from the regions ...
                        2. Another point, the purely metropolitan showers - Sabyanin - not a Muscovite ...
                        3. Before the election, they did nothing with illegal immigrants, from whom there is no passage anymore ... but in general, they stopped after the election ...
                      7. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 14: 07
                        0
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        organizational psychologists deal with personnel management issues in companies

                        Understood, in plain language do nothing laughing
                        Quote: DanaF1

                        everything is simple here:

                        If everything is so "simple", maybe it is worth dumping from Moscow to a normal provincial town. Well, I would. winked
                      8. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 14: 10
                        +4
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Understood, in plain language do nothing

                        just don’t tell us to the personnel officers in person - we’ll tear it like a Tuzik heating pad am

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        If everything is so "simple", maybe it is worth dumping from Moscow to a normal provincial town. Well, I would.

                        and leave Moscow without a fight? turn in Napoleon bulk?
                      9. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 14: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        and leave Moscow without a fight?

                        But who needs it is Moscow, a stone jungle with millions of cars. Here it’s taken and added bulk, he can get a maximum camera in Moscow, somewhere in the Lefortovo district negative
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        just don’t tell us to the personnel officers in person - we’ll tear it like a Tuzik heating pad

                        Or maybe 50 winked
                      10. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 14: 21
                        +5
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Or maybe 50

                        what is it?
                        Why do you offer bourgeois drinks?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        But who needs it is Moscow, a stone jungle with millions of cars

                        and then you will wonder where polls come from regarding the surrender of Peter ...
                      11. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 14: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        Why do you offer bourgeois drinks?

                        Well, let's fix it wink
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        and then you will wonder where polls come from regarding the surrender of Peter ...

                        Why then, I am already very surprised.
                      12. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 14: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Well, let's fix it

                        ok, so be it, persuaded drinks
                      13. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 18 February 2014 14: 53
                        +3
                        Sanya and someone else in the flood accused me. laughing
                      14. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 15: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sanya and someone else in the flood accused me

                        Well, I talk with a lady repeat
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 14: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: DanaF1
                      ok, so be it, persuaded

                      The skype bar will open on Friday from 15:00 to 3:00 Moscow time, come bully
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                    4. atalef
                      atalef 18 February 2014 14: 58
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      The skype bar will open on Friday from 15:00 to 3:00 Moscow time, come

                      Remind me who the last time quietly fell off and fell asleep on the couch - deleted by moderator Apollo laughing drinks
                    5. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 15: 06
                      0
                      Quote: atalef

                      Remind me who last quietly fell off and fell asleep on the couch

                      Yes, we have one married man here wassat
                    6. atalef
                      atalef 18 February 2014 15: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Yes, we have one married man here

                      Yes, everyone has their own problems, whoever hides glasses, whoever spoils lard. crying
  2. skifd
    skifd 18 February 2014 18: 16
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And the I.D.O.T. is more suitable for McKein (given the number of his planes crashed by him)


    "And these people forbid us to pick our noses ..." (c)
    Lord, reason these idiots. crying wassat laughing !! No matter what the politician is, a potential patient of the Serbsky clinic ... I think here our doctors would not give up the Hippocratic oath, and accept the wretched ..
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 12: 03
    +10
    Quote: Fin
    There was a moment when the "human rights activist" Kovalev

    men’s dream is to meet this person personally and spit in his face
    1. Navy7981
      Navy7981 18 February 2014 12: 18
      +4
      Not only for you, I think for many!
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    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 12: 33
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      with this which

      MUDAKOM, as always, the censors cleaned up, but "the chair should be called a chair"
    4. officer29
      officer29 18 February 2014 13: 28
      +6
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      spit in his face

      Who is the extreme? I also want to! And not only to spit ... angry I will never forgive him Chechnya !!! am
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 13: 44
        0
        Quote: officer29
        And not only to spit ...

        it certainly would be the same, but the pancake will also die and plant, and so, just petty hooliganism.
        and for kissing with a shamilka one and a half legs he doesn’t have to beat his face and he must drive the aspen stake in his ass
  • kotvov
    kotvov 18 February 2014 12: 10
    0
    this is in the sense of hanging them over the Kremlin. I'm for.
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 18 February 2014 17: 05
    0
    Quote: Fin
    it was necessary to add Shenderovich, Latynina, Albats and other "patriots".

    Shenderovich, for publicly denying the role of Russia in the defeat of Nazism, for the blasphemous insults of the Olympic athlete, the Knesset (Israeli parliament) is ready to strip Israel of its citizenship by banning visas to Europe and America.

    Source: http://politikus.ru/
    Politikus.ru

    They "love" him too
  • calocha
    calocha 18 February 2014 09: 32
    +2
    In the film, one old werewolf spoke similar words, though pro-Vlasov- there didn’t hear such a thing
  • ben gun
    ben gun 18 February 2014 11: 36
    +2
    There was no such thing in the film.
  • Uncle
    Uncle 18 February 2014 12: 56
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    People, who watched this film, where is this?
    Quote: Asgard
    And what is interesting, it was announced that the "Vlasov rag" (quote from the film)) hangs over the Kremlin and the State Duma ..

    Recently, Asgard already said that the tricolor is not a Vlasov rag, but the flag of the Moscow Tsar, but apparently he dried a lot of mushrooms, and that’s all ...
  • Svyatoslavovich
    Svyatoslavovich 18 February 2014 13: 04
    +1
    I noticed that many moments from the announcement in the program were absent, apparently before the release was the final version, it is very unfortunate.
  • lukewarm
    lukewarm 21 February 2014 20: 21
    0
    this is a fucking kovalev farted, they say, he doesn’t care what kind of rag hangs over the Kremlin
  • erg
    erg 18 February 2014 08: 56
    +12
    Is the Vlasov rag a Russian tricolor? Actually, the Germans forbade the Vlasovites to have a tricolor as a flag. It was believed that this would spur Russian self-awareness. And for them, Vlasov and others like him were only tools of their policy - he took advantage and threw it away. So that the rushniki marched under the Andreevsky flag, and had patches with it, and not with tricolor.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 09: 04
      +7
      Quote: erg
      . So that the rushniki marched under the Andreevsky flag

      I already know this, I’m talking about Asgard’s quote, if it’s real from the film then this is one thing, and if he himself wrote it then it’s completely different.
    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 18 February 2014 10: 29
      +1
      Quote: erg
      Is the Vlasov rag a Russian tricolor? Actually, the Germans forbade the Vlasovites to have a tricolor as a flag. It was believed that this would spur Russian self-awareness. And for them, Vlasov and others like him were only tools of their policy - he took advantage and threw it away. So that the rushniki marched under the Andreevsky flag, and had patches with it, and not with tricolor.

      You're wrong. http://country-osi.narod.ru/roa_nashivki.html
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 18 February 2014 10: 40
        +4
        Quote: Pushkar
        You're wrong.

        And what is the erg mistake? It's not about sleeve chevrons or bandages, but FLAG. Indeed, some Russian anti-Bolshevik formations created during the Second World War used a three-color flag, in particular, the Russian Guard Corps and General Smyslovsky’s 1. However, these compounds were formed mainly from Russian emigrants and had nothing to do with Vlasov. The flag of the ROA itself was a white flag with an oblique azure cross, best known as Andreevsky. The armored chevron of the ROA was also an Andreev shield with a red edging. The photographs depicting the famous Prague meeting of KONR 14 on November 1944 clearly show that the stage is decorated with two huge banners: the fascist flag with a swastika and St. Andrew's flag. The only documented use of the three-color flag by the Vlasovites was the parade of the 1th Guards ROA Brigade in Pskov on 22 on June 1943. However, later on the Germans did not allow such an initiative. Here
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 12: 31
        +3
        Quote: Pushkar
        You're wrong.

        Is it really
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 18 February 2014 09: 11
    +13
    The war has been waged against us since 1552, when the Angloids entered here. They never dreamed of such wealth.
  • jjj
    jjj 18 February 2014 10: 37
    +7
    In the film, all the facts are known. But this is for us pensioners. And for the young, perhaps a lot will be a revelation. Therefore, the film is very necessary. Although the fascist Natsik and antifa are unlikely to feel that. They are in the game. They sided with the Germans and, as correctly noted in the film, they themselves became Germans.
    The film, in my opinion, clearly showed: the European Union is a fascist entity. True, the mask has not yet been completely reset. But we already see what is hidden behind it. Probably there is such a feeling, there will be a continuation
    1. xan
      xan 18 February 2014 11: 54
      +6
      I saw the film. I believe that the ghouls shown there mainly pursue their personal interests, namely the occupation of the spectrum of political life that is not occupied by anyone, in the hope of attention from foreign sponsors and the media, or very already miserable goals, such as to at least somewhere it was shown and printed as the former Moscow measure Popov, evoking the spirit of General Vlasov.
      The most serious argument of the West against Russia is a higher standard of living, labor productivity and a truly independent judicial and legal system. As long as this argument is there, there will be crowds of "advanced" personalities free for the West who criticize our "orphanhood and wretchedness" and are ready to lie under the West at the first opportunity.
      1. 222222
        222222 18 February 2014 13: 38
        +2
        xan (6) RU Today, 11:54 ↑
        Movie saw
        "The most serious argument of the West against Russia .." and not only Russia ..
        About the "biochemistry of betrayal"
        Influence agents ... all of a sudden the unknown skid steerer is booming .. it’s not climbing the career ladder, it is taking off .. it’s already in big politics .. but the owners say it’s time to pay off - and it’s already on the Maidan ...
        ... with curious calls ... and the kids in the footsteps of the pope .. "My son is the coordinator, one of those who created the Maidan. ".. The revolutionaries .. your mother ..
        http://news.mail.ru/inworld/ukraina/global/112/politics/16999319/?frommail=1
    2. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 19 February 2014 13: 55
      0
      Continued is the Arab nationalists. Even for a joke does not seem.
  • neri73-r
    neri73-r 18 February 2014 11: 49
    0
    There is also a cartoon in the topic as a whole, about 28 Panfilov’s, in particular!

    It is called "Strong in spirit stronger than walls", very impressive, I show it to my children from time to time!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AItemIgPSg
  • starshina78
    starshina78 18 February 2014 15: 05
    0
    I watched a movie! Liked it! Yes, we have the fifth column in Russia! And most importantly, among them there are representatives of youth! One of the characters is Yegor with a surname in P (forgot!), A blogger, an ardent opponent of Russia, a businessman from Russia, who lives in the USA and who loves everything about Russia, but praises the USA, and a number of characters. It turns out that near Podolsk there is a private museum of the ROA, which is praised by Vlasov and Hitler, claiming that the war had to be lost, and then Russia would become a powerful power under the auspices of Germany! And where to get away from the Chubais family! The brother of Anatoly Chubais, turns out to be Vlasov’s defender and ardent opponent of Russia. I watched this movie and was horrified! The authors of the film conducted a survey among students, asked if they knew the generals Vlasov and Karbyshev, and what they are famous for! No one answered that they know! Here it is, the truth of life! I advise you to look !
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 18 February 2014 16: 52
    0
    Dear, there is a proposal, let's create a public organization "We are for RUSSIA", the name may be different and we will start pursuing all these Lebirats, moreover, in a legal way, but not only them but also persons who must apply the law in relation to the above, but do not apply it, the same in a legal way. Everything will be legal, we will officially register, all persons, regardless of nationality, party, religion, are accepted, we are for Russia. Moreover, to demand from all authorities that the law be implemented in relation to these talkers, lyasoblyudov. To beat them with their own weapons. Oh, how the "defenders of democracy" will scream, they are cowards, the first kick and will run abroad, just as the "political whores" were and remain so.
    1. Kamarada
      Kamarada 19 February 2014 00: 13
      0
      I agree, something needs to be done. and then they’re completely unbelted, they are already turning it upside down
  • 222222
    222222 18 February 2014 21: 35
    +1
    Al_lexx SU Today, 07:30: .. "I don't keep TV ..." I don't drink, I don't smoke. the girls are not .. a spy or what?
  • Su24
    Su24 19 February 2014 07: 09
    -1
    And the next POA has long been created. Low bow to the creators of the film for the fact that along with Vlasov and Rezun I saw Sobchak, Novodvorskaya, “Pussy Rayot” and the rest of the host of those who wish to save Russia from dictatorship.


    The new ROA is not liberals, but national democrats. Krylov, Shiropaev, Peresvirnin, etc.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 21 February 2014 22: 17
    0
    It's hard to subscribe here.
    Firstly, the revolution was the result of many factors. And mostly domestic.
    Secondly, the collapse of the USSR was an unpleasant surprise for the West. Weakening - yes, but not a collapse. The appearance of hundreds of small states with nuclear weapons - yes this is a nightmare of the West.
    Events in Ukraine also came as a surprise to the West. This is obvious from the wiretap published. No, I understand, conspiracy theological versions are a very interesting thing. If you like it, why not.
    And further. The main enemies of Russia are secret.
    They do not criticize the authorities. It would be silly. They shout the loudest "Long live!"
    Let me remind you that Caesar scolded Caesar all his life. He called a despot. Only a knife in the back Caesar received from Brutus. Duty to Caesar all. Think about it.
  • ddmm09
    ddmm09 18 February 2014 07: 40
    +7
    Only by rallying we can save the country and take a step into the future!
    1. RBLip
      RBLip 18 February 2014 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: ddmm09
      Only by rallying we can save the country and take a step into the future!

      absolutely right! football chant is quite applicable - AS long WE ARE ONE - WE ARE UNBEATABLE !!!!!!!!!!!
  • parus2nik
    parus2nik 18 February 2014 07: 41
    +16
    Lord .. in 1991 it was clear .. what will happen next .. Nooo, in ecstasy the deputies voted for the sovereignty of the RSFSR .. for the slogans of Boriski .. and then this hostility still threw: the subjects of the Russian Federation take sovereignty as much as you want ... And crowds of insane stadiums and squares: Yeltsin! Yeltsin! Yeltsin! ...
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 18 February 2014 10: 52
      -8
      Quote: parus2nik
      Lord .. in 1991 it was clear .. what will happen next .. Nooo, in ecstasy the deputies voted for the sovereignty of the RSFSR .. for the slogans of Boriski .. and then this hostility still threw: the subjects of the Russian Federation take sovereignty as much as you want ... And crowds of insane stadiums and squares: Yeltsin! Yeltsin! Yeltsin! ...


      And today what has changed, in the government are the same "Kozerevs" headed by minigorbachev - Dimon, and Chubais has not gone anywhere, sitting on billions of "Rosnano"! And instead of Yeltsin, the new savior of the nation is GDP!
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 18 February 2014 11: 07
        -2
        http://vk.com/id42537671?w=wall42537671_900%2Fall

        Currency intervention in Russia. Or why the US regime hates V. Putin.
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 18 February 2014 16: 03
        0
        Quote: predator.3
        And today what has changed

        Well, at least that traitor was called a traitor, not a predecessor of the rabid supporters of Western freedoms and values.
        Now I don’t remember, but then many dissenters spoke positively about Vlasov.
        well-known publicist Maxim Shevchenko said in an interview with Ekho Moskvy radio that he also opposed the reduction of books. “Well, if the book is an artifact of the era and evidence of the era, then we must study it completely. In Stalin's time, the "Quiet Flows the Don" by Sholokhov was abbreviated, now the "Gulag Archipelago" is being reduced. What is scary? The chapter about Vlasovites is scary to tell the children that Solzhenitsyn loved the Vlasovites?
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 19 February 2014 15: 58
          0
          Quote: Cynic
          then many dissenters spoke positively about Vlasov.

          Judging by the minuses, lively nettle seed!
          The article already marked four!
  • Vilor
    Vilor 18 February 2014 07: 42
    +4
    The film is good, I recommend it to everyone to watch. Yesterday I watched on TV. A plus.
  • alexng
    alexng 18 February 2014 07: 46
    +23
    This vile position and policy of the Anglo-Saxons on the collapse of Russia from within will end with the collapse of America itself. Russia slowly moved from defense to counter offensive. If for Russia Syria was and is "Stalingrad", then Ukraine is "Kursk Bulge". And while Russia with its mysterious silence about Ukraine is exhausting the West and the West began to fizzle out, choke, not understanding what to do next. Now we are witnessing a calm before the storm, or rather, after the Olympics, there should come a denouement and the final defeat of the Naglo-Saxons on the geopolitical "Kursk Bulge".
    1. Lantau
      Lantau 18 February 2014 07: 51
      +9
      Your words, but to the Lord’s ears.
      1. Magadan
        Magadan 18 February 2014 09: 01
        +2
        I also have the same feeling. Anglo-Saxons themselves fall apart.
      2. Foxmara
        Foxmara 18 February 2014 11: 59
        +4
        It will be so. Notice, during the events in Ukraine - who hysteria? West. Ours calmly held their faces. Golden Eagle and the VV of Ukraine can be said to heroically fought for all of us with the Nazis - here they are - the heroes of our days. But, the denouement will come after the Olympics. Russians harness for a long time ..
    2. MBA78
      MBA78 18 February 2014 15: 45
      0
      wrote well put +
      still the third washer counted in general would be a class
  • svskor80
    svskor80 18 February 2014 07: 46
    +7
    You need to fight to live. This applies to both people and states. And the West by such insinuations shows its weakness and strength in Russia, the main thing is to take countermeasures in time and not consider the Westerners as messiahs.
  • ben gun
    ben gun 18 February 2014 07: 48
    +19
    He looked without stopping. I knew all the information expressed in general before the film. I was glad that everyone was reduced to one category, and Novodvorskaya, and fashionable lawyers and other rezunists. I was very pleased that this film was shown on GOSchannal and during the Olympics. Powerful kammushkah propaganda confrontation.
    MEGA plus the one who shot the film, the one who released it on air and who came up with this idea.
    1. zzz
      zzz 18 February 2014 12: 26
      +2
      Quote: ben gun
      Powerful kammushkah propaganda confrontation.
      MEGA plus the one who shot the film, the one who released it on air and who came up with this idea.


      There would be more such films. Patriotism needs to be revived!
  • philip
    philip 18 February 2014 07: 48
    +2
    I agree with the author. So you need to prevent this.
  • raf
    raf 18 February 2014 07: 55
    +26
    I watched this movie yesterday. I almost broke the TV! But not because the films are bad, but because of some characters. Imagine this: a sort of well-fed mug sits, glossy with fat and enthusiastically talks about what a good person General Vlasov was. The fact that he was going to liberate Russia from Bolshevism, and in general, in his opinion, he is a hero. Honestly, he would have strangled him next to him!
    1. polly
      polly 18 February 2014 09: 52
      +2
      Quote: raf
      a sort of well-fed hag sits, glossy with fat, and enthusiastically talks about what a good person General Vlasov was.

      I am also outraged by these provocative polls on the Internet, such as "Does Russia need a monument to General Vlasov?" Apparently, they are satisfied with the same hari. We would go to the USA, there are enough such monuments, and they honored their traitorous heroes. So they need to arrange a Sabbath on our land ...
      1. Kamarada
        Kamarada 19 February 2014 00: 18
        +1
        for good, they must be caught and eliminated in the USA
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 10: 52
      +4
      Quote: raf
      a sort of well-fed hag sits, glossy with fat, and enthusiastically talks about what a good person General Vlasov was.

      It seems to me that after this film, a well-fed mug will still be poured in the gateway ...
      just an abomination ...
      1. polly
        polly 18 February 2014 11: 40
        +4
        The meeting place can be changed, but it will be by all means. Here in our city such a fighter (first with communism and the USSR, then with Putin, respectively) was put in the city bathhouse and the result was a sacred broken mug.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 12: 10
        +1
        Quote: DanaF1
        a well-fed mug will still be poured in the gateway ...
        just an abomination ...

        I’m not sure the most terrible in the film was a questioning among students about whether they knew the General (namely with a capital letter) Karbyshev
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 12: 17
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          the scariest in the film was a survey among students about whether they know the General (namely with a capital letter) Karbyshev

          no, not the most ...
          I, too, until yesterday did not hear about him, although I read a lot of literature about the Second World War, because I am interested ...
          but other people are not interested, but they don’t tell them about it at school ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 13: 22
            +2
            Quote: DanaF1
            no, not the most

            No, this is the worst thing because it is the basis for losing one’s roots, and everything else is already a consequence.
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 14: 06
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              No, this is the worst thing because it is the basis for losing one’s roots, and everything else is already a consequence.

              you know, I have a slightly different interpretation about this ...

              It’s one thing not to remember the specific names of the Heroes, but to remember the feat of the whole people ...
              another thing is not to remember and not to know anything at all and really lose your roots ...

              yet it seems to me that so far we have the first option ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 14: 41
                +1
                Quote: DanaF1
                It’s one thing not to remember the specific names of the Heroes, but to remember the feat of the whole people ...

                the problem is that the heroes and the feat of the People are extinct
              2. Anper
                Anper 18 February 2014 14: 50
                0
                Quote: DanaF1
                do not remember the specific names of the Heroes, but remember the feat of the whole people ..

                And does the organizational psychologist write this?
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 15: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Anper
                  And does the organizational psychologist write this?

                  What's the problem?
          2. bbss
            bbss 18 February 2014 21: 01
            0
            Have you at least taken an interest now?
        2. Kamarada
          Kamarada 19 February 2014 00: 20
          0
          they don’t know, because no one told ...
    3. Anper
      Anper 18 February 2014 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: raf
      own strangled

      The bastard there young Yuri Mosh at the end of the film is kind of pretty, but something so unpleasant in the eyes, a layer of some kind - the impression that he's lying to everyone and constantly. Or is afraid of something.
  • Horst78
    Horst78 18 February 2014 08: 03
    +22
    In 1991 I was 13 years old. And I remember how my homeland (and not the country) was destroyed. I remember these people (scum and traitors). And now I see new faces of the same traitors and what they want to do. So liberals - we know you, we know what you want to do, and we do this to you am
    1. demel2
      demel2 18 February 2014 10: 15
      0
      But what new they are, the same vile faces and basically remained, I don’t even want to list. And whom already the glory to the gods put monuments to them wrong.
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 10: 53
      +1
      Quote: Horst78
      So liberals - we know you, we know what you want to do, and we do this to you

      Yes, they just do not understand in kind that if they stir up a butch, then they will be the first to outweigh them on the lanterns ...
      which is exemplified by the 17th year and the interim government of the same traitors ...
  • nemec55
    nemec55 18 February 2014 08: 09
    +12
    I watched a movie yesterday with a gnashing of teeth, there’s nothing new for me, and so we know how much of this evil we have, but the most striking thing is that our youth are so dumb excuse me that I just don’t have any words. I communicate with them a lot, often I provoke them with questions about politics. Well, they give out such pearls that they just want to yell and cry. If our rulers do not take up the moral and patriotic education of youth, then we will live in Ukraine in the near future.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 18 February 2014 09: 21
      +2
      If our rulers do not take up the moral and patriotic education of youth, then we will live in Ukraine in the near future. [/ Quote]

      That's right, otherwise we already have a "lost generation" of the 90s. I share the ideas of healthy nationalism, but extreme nationalism, neo-paganism and ignorance are spreading among the youth.
    2. a52333
      a52333 18 February 2014 09: 38
      +13
      our youth is so stupid sorry that just no words

      With your permission, I will correct it a little. Young people are not stupid, just as a result of numerous "reforms" a significant part of history has been erased. The result is obvious - no one called the difference between Karbyshev and Vlasov.
      An unconditional victory of the West and henchmen over the minds of a whole generation of "Pepsi". Yesterday at work I talked about this with a "pepsikolnik" without higher education. The thoughts are: the Olympics will end # 1 and that's it, everyone will be left without work. I ask: which side are you to the Olympics, are you Olympstroy? Plugging right away. Pepsi thought # 2. It is our own fault - they voted for the GDP.
      Well, in response, okay, but who did you vote for.
      - for no one.
      - Well, if only.
      -... silence.
      Here are the fruits of education reform and the audience of "Rain"
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 10: 57
        +6
        Quote: a52333
        The result is in person - no one called the difference between Karbyshev and Vlasov.

        I will tell you more ...
        I studied at school in the 90s, and so on the history of the Second World War we had 5 lessons, no more ...
        they didn’t tell us about Vlasov or Karbyshev, and this was not already in the textbooks then ...
        All that I know about Vlasov, I learned at a conscious age with the help of books and neta ...
        to my shame about Karbyshev I found out yesterday from the program ...
        1. a52333
          a52333 18 February 2014 11: 48
          +5
          It's hard to blame you. request Guilty - Judas in government.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 12: 15
            +3
            Quote: a52333
            Guilty - Judas in Government

            and the teacher? !!!
            his tongue wouldn’t fall off
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 12: 14
          +1
          Quote: DanaF1
          to my shame about Karbyshev I found out yesterday from the program.

          and it’s scary, it’s scary not only that there is nothing in the textbooks, but that the teacher did not consider it necessary to tell about the Heroes of the War
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 12: 19
            +2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            the teacher did not consider it necessary to tell about the Heroes of War

            even if he told, then the student flew into one ear into the other flew immediately after the control ...

            here we need a different approach, for example, military-patriotic circles, with photos and biographies of Heroes on the walls ...
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 13: 26
              0
              Quote: DanaF1
              even if he told, then the student flew into one ear into the other flew immediately after the control ..

              and it flew into one ear, just when it flies more often something still remains
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 13: 34
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                and it flew into one ear, just when it flies more often something still remains

                it is a matter of interest and presentation of information ...

                you flew in because your fathers were at the front (I don’t know how old you are, if you made a mistake, then I'm sorry) ...
                my interest in the history of the Second World War, for example, began with my grandfather, a scout and tank commander ...
                who, although he did not like to talk about the war, he told me if I asked him ...

                and for today's children, this whole thing is so distant (their great-grandfathers and great-great-grandfathers fought) that they are not interested ...
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 13: 47
                  0
                  Quote: DanaF1
                  it is a matter of interest and presentation of information.

                  and this is precisely the teacher’s work

                  Quote: DanaF1
                  you flew in because your fathers were at the front (I don’t know how old you are, if you made a mistake, then I'm sorry) ...

                  my father was born at 49
                  just all the same, the rejection of ideology was the main victory of our enemies
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 14: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    just all the same, the rejection of ideology was the main victory of our enemies

                    certainly ...
                    but the rejection of ideology was both a consequence and a cause of the collapse of the Union ...
                    for which special thanks to the hunchback ...
            2. MBA78
              MBA78 18 February 2014 16: 19
              +1
              need a good movie ... youth absorbs visually
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 16: 36
                +1
                Quote: MBA78
                need a good movie ... youth absorbs visually

                and also programs on channels like "My Planet" or "History" + Internet ...
        3. polly
          polly 18 February 2014 12: 16
          +1
          Quote: DanaF1
          to my shame about Karbyshev I found out yesterday from the program ...

          Better late than never. You found out about the hero and admired his feat. But who should be ashamed is Medvedeva from the gum-wumen for her vile joke about him!
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 12: 23
            +1
            Quote: polly
            But who should be ashamed is Medvedeva from the gum-wumen for her nasty joke about him!

            the question is: who is this Medvedev?

            here are strange people ... at first they look at all kinds of gums and houses-2, and then they are indignant at what they saw and heard ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 12: 30
              +1
              Quote: DanaF1
              and then resent what they saw and heard ...

              And outraged, in the evening they are waiting for the next series, so that they would see again and again be outraged laughing
              1. valokordin
                valokordin 18 February 2014 14: 27
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And outraged, in the evening they are waiting for the next series, so that they would see again and again be outraged

                One was not outraged, or rather two and safely "sit", and dozens, hundreds of traitors and thieves under an amnesty or 8 room cartier.
              2. polly
                polly 19 February 2014 00: 57
                0
                Dear Olga and Alexander! For your information, I bring the following information: I never watch the above programs, if it’s for me. Just outraged by this vile act people wrote about this on the network in sufficient detail, so do not try to make fun of someone in vain.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 13: 27
              +1
              Quote: DanaF1
              the question is: who is this Medvedev?

              likewise enlighten
        4. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 18 February 2014 20: 27
          0
          It turns out already in the 90s in the country, the youth did not read the book.
      2. VICTOR83
        VICTOR83 18 February 2014 12: 36
        -6
        Your "pepsikolist" is directly related to the Olympics, just like you, I and millions of citizens. Olympic facilities were built not only with the money of the IOC and sponsors, but also with the allocated money from the federal budget, and the budget is formed from taxes coming to the treasury, including our salaries.
        Bureaucratic arbitrariness, embezzlement, corruption, anti-popular laws adopted, incomprehensible reforms in the country, all this gives rise to the so-called "opposition". The news is full of events about the stolen billions, but what is the result? this one is at large, the other is under subscription, the third is conditionally with a fine below the stolen one, the fourth is asking for political asylum. They go to power only to earn money, they all do not care what will happen, will serve in a warm place, grab their own, and then come what may, they are not even afraid of being caught red-handed. The time of consciousness of justice, honesty, disinterestedness, greed, greed has passed. And our fathers sit over all this - in the past, party workers, Komsomol members. With so much dirt present, what do you want from the younger generation?
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 12: 42
          +2
          Quote: VICTOR83
          Your "pepsikolist" is directly related to the Olympics, just like you, I and millions of citizens. Olympic facilities were built not only with the money of the IOC and sponsors, but also with the allocated money from the federal budget, and the budget is formed from taxes coming to the treasury, including our salaries.

          baby, and what does this have to do with job loss?
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 13: 51
          +5
          Quote: VICTOR83
          , as well as allocated money from the federal budget, and the budget is formed from taxes received by the treasury, including from our salaries

          and I’m proud of that, including my money, they built these Olympic facilities
        3. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 18 February 2014 20: 39
          0
          In my opinion, "public women" (obsolete) are sitting over all this, and if you refer your father to them, then I sympathize with you.
    3. officer29
      officer29 18 February 2014 13: 52
      +4
      Quote: nemec55
      our youth is so, sorry, stupid that just no words

      We are to blame for this! I blame myself for raising my children and nobody else !!! In the 90s, we adults were engaged in survival! Then the main thing for us was: to feed, to dress, to put on shoes, at best to check homework and learn a rhyme ... Now that we have, we have! When life got better, he began to educate and teach, then to his horror I realized that the time was irretrievably lost! Well at least I managed to instill one simple truth - "Shut up! Maybe you will pass for a smart one!" request
  • koksalek
    koksalek 18 February 2014 08: 10
    +4
    It was recalled that in childhood at school, the teacher showed that one branch breaks easily, but it’s already very difficult to break in a bundle, while he said that when we are all together, it’s difficult to break us, but individually it’s very easy
  • scorpido
    scorpido 18 February 2014 08: 12
    +7
    Well, I will not respect the current government until they figure it out with those who have plundered the country. I won’t.
    1. demel2
      demel2 18 February 2014 10: 26
      +3
      That you, as you can. Those who have plundered the country, are in special honor with us. Well, and apparently not everyone has plundered, if these personalities are still with pi.de and with the sword.
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 11: 00
      0
      Quote: scorpido
      Well, I will not respect the current government until they figure it out with those who have plundered the country. I won’t.


      what? take everything away and share again? not tired?
  • morpogr
    morpogr 18 February 2014 08: 19
    +5
    There are no words of anger and hatred for these scum and fists are itching terribly.
  • Altona
    Altona 18 February 2014 08: 38
    +12
    Traitors, patriots, the concepts are more ethical, there is a completely legal term Collaborationism... That is, a group of people who actively and voluntarily collaborate with an external enemy to destroy their country ... All the characters shown fall into this definition and are not any ideological fighters ... If a person cooperates with the enemy, then he himself is the enemy, the rest - from the evil one ... Many of our liberals are by no means liberals in the original sense of the word, but collaborators ... This type of people is despised in many countries ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 12: 17
      0
      Quote: Altona
      e liberals in the original sense of the word, and collaborators.

      but let's call a spade a spade, and not beautiful legal terms - they are bastards and dumb
      1. Altona
        Altona 18 February 2014 14: 46
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        let's call a spade a spade, and not beautiful legal terms - they are bastards and asshole

        ------------------------------
        Give things a legal assessment, and do not hang labels on people you personally do not like ... These people commit completely criminal acts, for which, in the same USA, you can get a huge sentence for "damaging national interests and undermining national security" ... Togo take Viktor But, the man is interned and convicted on unsubstantiated charges, the Vyshinsky court nervously smokes on the sidelines ...
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 16: 24
          0
          Quote: Altona
          Give things a legal assessment, not label people who you personally don’t like

          you know, but this does not need shit tolerance shit is shit, not poop, for Kovalev MUDAK is not a label but a description.
          and it’s not from the series I like it, I don’t like it, as well as Novodvorskie, Vonidza Shanderovichi, and the rest
          1. Altona
            Altona 18 February 2014 17: 25
            -2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            you know, but this does not need shit tolerance shit is shit, not poop, for Kovalev MUDAK is not a label but a description.
            and it’s not from the series I like it, I don’t like it, as well as Novodvorskie, Vonidza Shanderovichi, and the rest

            ---------------------
            And where does tolerastia have to do with it? Are you a supporter of lynching? You are a kind of class fighter, but with your own vegetable garden created from scratch. By the way, thanks to these very tolerasts, your private business on the goats became possible, but we had a class state. So you either take off the cross or put on your panties like in a joke ... And only then everything else ... And what you think is from the "like-dislike" series, then you need to somehow clean the logs in the eyes, and not become like the same tolerasts, as you call them, who put labels on everything Russian ...
            You, like Kovalev, are also discussing ... Kovalev calls national flags rags, you are his eccentric with the letter M ... A very informative discussion ... By the way, Kovalev opposes you much better, he saved the boys from under fire, according to him. ..Who did you save? Yourself from "brutal" Kazakhstan? And their goats are already here, with a gun in their hands ...
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 17: 38
              +2
              Quote: Altona
              By the way, thanks to these very tolerasts, your private business on the goats became possible, but we had a class state

              there wouldn’t be any goats would find another use, the question isn’t the point when they insult my mother when I do not call the police, but hit in the face
              1. Altona
                Altona 18 February 2014 17: 59
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                would find myself another use, this is not the question

                -----------------------
                After all, the point is not who is cooler and more multi-storey to send a replica to an unpleasant phenomenon for him personally ... We can all swear in three or four languages ​​... It is important that bad phenomena can be suppressed in a legal manner, with a specific period and without a statute of limitations as a betrayal ... And instead of order, they make us unnecessary ideological discussion, where there are no ideas, and the enemy he is the enemy ... The enemy is dangerous and seeks support from not weak "friends" ...
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 18: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Altona
                  It is important that bad phenomena can be stopped in a lawful manner, with a specific period and without statute of limitations, as a betrayal

                  Well, here I certainly will not argue, but I think that the people should be connected in the same way, in the states there is such a thing as civil detention, so it’s necessary that ours would also be taken for Shkanderov’s shanderovich and dragged to court.
                  in general, in Alma-Ata, we had a case under the Union, gentlemen from the Baltic region appeared on the peron of the station and one had a swastika in his ear.
                  local peers began to mock them very harshly, cops rushed in, but when they found out the reason for the fight, they allowed the locals to end and leave and the "victims" were taken to jail
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 18 February 2014 18: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    local peers began to mock them very harshly, cops rushed in, but when they found out the reason for the fight, they allowed the locals to end and leave and the "victims" were taken to jail

                    ------------------------
                    This is called the absence of a legal framework ... It seems that it would be necessary to punish, and there is no law ... That is, wearing the appropriate paraphernalia ... By the way, it became fashionable among Kazakhs to wear German army paraphernalia ... There are photos of Kazakh characters with badges on the Internet beam cross and eagles (fascist symbolism is not, do not find fault) ...
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 18: 25
                      0
                      Quote: Altona
                      This is called the lack of a legal framework ..

                      in general, it was during the Union, I won’t say for sure, but in my opinion, then they were attracted for something like that, just by law it would be necessary to involve both parties, but ...
                      honestly, I would have met Kovalev or Melikhov, that I would have been in my hands and had been sooooo until dragged and I don’t care if there is a law or not
                    2. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 18 February 2014 18: 40
                      +2
                      Quote: Altona
                      This is called the absence of a legal framework ... It seems that it would be necessary to punish, and there is no law ..

                      When at a bus stop a drunk geek pestering a woman, do not call the police ...
                      But if the "point rips" ... You can imagine that this is your daughter, wife, sister. And then everything will grow together ...
                      1. Starina_hank
                        Starina_hank 18 February 2014 20: 47
                        0
                        In our "DEMOCRATIC STATE", the situation described by you can be interpreted ambiguously!
                  2. Altona
                    Altona 18 February 2014 18: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    in the states there is such a thing as civil detention, and so it’s necessary

                    --------------------------
                    I agree that the states have useful procedures ... But then again, who has the right to make such a detention? Which group of people is more trusted? It’s one thing if a criminal is captured by a group of citizens going from work ... And if some dubious persons betray another dubious person?
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 18: 26
                      +1
                      I understand that the line is extremely thin, but still there are things that you can’t touch and for which you can get in the face, unfortunately the duels have been canceled
                  3. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 18 February 2014 18: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    in the states there is such a thing as civil detention,

                    Vladimir!
                    The dogs in the monkey are already polishing shops laughing
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 18: 49
                      +1
                      I’ve got a link there above, I gave the truth screaming in plain words that it’s not shops, but the floor in the assembly hall, but if I had to put a hypnap and an old snow maiden in the same position
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 18 February 2014 18: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        but if there’s still a hypnothe and an old snow maiden, and put the same pose

                        It's easier to put a candle behind the repose (albeit premature) wassat
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 19: 03
                        +1
                        fail, she has no soul
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 19: 27
                        +1
                        what candles in the Temple can we talk about?
        2. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 20 February 2014 10: 01
          0
          Yes, dear, something with your memory is completely bad, and you will recall how this old scum scoffed at virtually all of us and all Rossmei in Chechnya, over the bodies of our torn boys. And you say that this rat saved someone from under shelling? You say this in the presence of our boys who fought in the Caucasus and I won’t be sure that everything will be all right with you!
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 18 February 2014 08: 46
    +4
    The film is correct and timely, the betrayal of what clothes he doesn’t wear remains the greatest infamy since the time of Christ. Judas has no excuse, no matter what goals he hides. And when it comes to modernity, new Judas dress up in the clothes of fighters for the people against the regime (but look at whose money they harm the country). The biggest mistake of our Guarantor of the Constitution is that he complacently observes the coven of bulk, doggies, Shenderovich, benedicto
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 11: 04
      +5
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      The biggest mistake of our Guarantor of the Constitution is that he complacently observes the coven of bulk, doggies, Shenderovich, benedicto

      this is not a mistake, but a thoughtful move ...

      more than once wrote that the USSR has largely collapsed due to lack of information ...

      they give us the opportunity to evaluate this information and draw the right conclusions on our own ...
      Do you think many will vote for any Shenderovich after their highs?
      1. IIIIvanov
        IIIIvanov 18 February 2014 14: 25
        0
        I think that after such a "vyser", Shenderovich's support will not be greatly reduced, since his support is not too wide and very specific, before they were all registered in the mental hospital, by definition there are very few of them. But even realizing this, I still really want to see how it will ... get its own and really want to help it, well, at least knock out a couple of teeth.
        Sincerely.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 14: 47
          0
          Quote: IIIIvanov
          before, they were all registered in a psychiatric clinic, by definition there are very few of them

          you see ...
          if you show constantly bulk accompanied by Amer functionaries, then sooner or later many will realize what kind of pretzel it is ...
          and if it is forbidden, then a martyr will be made of him and his support will grow ...
  • GasinoGazolini
    GasinoGazolini 18 February 2014 08: 54
    .
    Society, and doesn’t it seem to you that comparing a country that the same Vlasov betrayed and which all sorts of characters betray today is two big differences, as they say?
    1. Altona
      Altona 18 February 2014 09: 03
      +8
      Quote: GasinoGazolini
      Society, and doesn’t it seem to you that comparing a country that the same Vlasov betrayed and which all sorts of characters betray today is two big differences, as they say?

      --------------------------
      In the sense of two big differences? Do you want to throw up "ideological" firewood again? What for? Show yourself a bigger patriot than you really are? In the Great Patriotic War, we defended our territory from occupation, and our nation from physical destruction ... By and large, that's it! Hence the appeals of Stalin and Molotov to all the people ...
      Shl. And it is not too late for individual "sons of the nation" to put a line in the forehead during the war ... Or a year or two before ... (This is an opinion, not a call to violence) ...
      1. GasinoGazolini
        GasinoGazolini 18 February 2014 09: 14
        -7
        As a Russian, the main thing for me is truth and justice. Vlasov betrayed the country where they built, yes, at the cost of great sacrifices, and today's characters betray the country where they only destroy. Vlasov betrayed a country where more or less everyone was united by one idea, and today the characters betray a country where everyone is for himself.
        And to hide behind the words "Motherland, land, grandfathers fought" continuing all that is happening to us today is not even hypocrisy, I will not find a suitable word.
        Remember the song "Gop with Smyk"? The front-line option, which is more and more loved, ends very well:

        Von Gop with Smyk soldered forever,
        But suddenly our man comes to them,
        And in his hand is his grenade.
        Gop asked: "What do you want?"
        He replied: "Death has brought for you, you bastards,"

        Now the ballad is over
        There are two hanging reptiles on an aspen,
        Gop left, bow right,
        Those who listened will say: “That's right!” ...

        What is not the State Department and the Bad Boyars (of course only the boyars)?
        1. Altona
          Altona 18 February 2014 09: 21
          +7
          Quote: GasinoGazolini
          As a Russian, the main thing for me is truth and justice. Vlasov betrayed the country where they built, yes, at the cost of great sacrifices, and today's characters betray the country where they only destroy. Vlasov betrayed a country where more or less everyone was united by one idea, and today the characters betray a country where everyone is for himself.

          ----------------------------
          Your message is absolutely incomprehensible ... There is no need for leftist ideology and calls for civil war ... They destroy and create, everything is cyclical in history ... Time to throw stones, time to collect stones ... Your righteous anger is directed nowhere ... " The masters of life "have long gone to Languedoc and London ...
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        3. demel2
          demel2 18 February 2014 10: 39
          +3
          But what difference does it make, what country and how long have traitors always and always been treated with contempt. Or do you think that you can betray one country to a bastard, and the other can be at least a strange position.
        4. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 11: 06
          +4
          Quote: GasinoGazolini
          As a Russian, the main thing for me is truth and justice.

          and what, in the CIA cases and declensions are not taught?
        5. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 12: 25
          +4
          Quote: GasinoGazolini
          As a Russian, the main thing for me is truth and justice. Vlasov betrayed the country where they built, yes, at the cost of great sacrifices

          but let's not look for the brain in the ass, there is shit
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    3. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: GasinoGazolini
      Society, and doesn’t it seem to you that comparing a country that the same Vlasov betrayed and which all sorts of characters betray today is two big differences, as they say?

      it doesn’t matter what or whom a person is betraying, it doesn’t matter that he is still a TRAITOR ...
      and all the excuses for his betrayal are nothing but excuses for the poor ...
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 18 February 2014 12: 32
        +1
        Quote: GasinoGazolini
        As a Russian, the main thing for me is truth and justice

        As for a Russian, for me, too, the main thing is truth and justice. But the main justice in the existence of Russia as a country. All who fight against it, its sovereignty, under any government (some leave, others come), is not fair by definition. And already initially comes with its own lie. Here, at the beginning, the guys argued about flags. Here, too, everything is simple, you need to remember that the flag is still a symbol. Symbols show to say about themselves, or appropriate when they want to disguise themselves. The main thing is what importance we attach to him, how we relate to him. Let the tricolor be the symbol of our country, then it means us. If someone is fighting against us, it doesn’t matter what flag he is under. If it treats our flag badly, it demonstrates its attitude towards us.
    4. Navy7981
      Navy7981 18 February 2014 12: 55
      +7
      Two big differences ????
      Strongly disagree with you. Homeland - ONE. And who is in power is completely indifferent. When you stand in the way of the enemy, you are not defending the Emperor, not Stalin, not Putin! You protect your House, Mother, Grandfather, Father, Children, Wife, your Friends. You fight for the fact that in your House there would be no foreign speech .... Sorry for the pathos.
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 13: 04
        +1
        Quote: Navy7981
        Sorry for the pathos.

        What do you explain to a paid provocateur?
        Do you think he will penetrate?
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 13: 07
      0
      Quote: GasinoGazolini
      which the same Vlasov betrayed and which all sorts of characters betray today, is that, as they say, two big differences?

      Are you comparing Vlasov and human rights defenders of all stripes now?
  • avia12005
    avia12005 18 February 2014 09: 09
    +11
    It is necessary to apply the same strategy against the EU and the USA !!!
    Gorbach's coming to power is 22 June 1941 of the year.
    1991 year and further events during 20 years are 1941-1942 disasters.
    Maidan is Stalingrad. Nowhere to retreat, behind Russia.
    In the meantime, we are all the time on the defensive ... We must mercilessly stir up conflicts in Europe and the USA!

    Nehaj Nuland, Ashton, Kerry, Füle and Barroso clear up their Maidan, then even their thoughts about the Slavs will disappear along with diarrhea from fear.

    The enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours. am
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    2. Altona
      Altona 18 February 2014 09: 15
      +1
      Quote: avia12005
      It is necessary to apply the same strategy against the EU and the USA !!!

      ---------------------------
      How? Create servers in our territory and broadcast something, create a fifth column? Initiate a cyberattack? Spit on their culture and history? The establishment with the West initiates a war with us and you won’t take it for eggs, even Stalin didn’t always succeed ...
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 11: 10
        +3
        Quote: Altona
        How so?

        no, our ears should not be visible there ...
        but to spur (not visible by the hand) separatism in Ireland, Catalonia, why not?
        you can still run black riots in France ...
        and you can also arrange small problems for our "friends" from the Emirates, for example, on the wave of women's equality or some other crap ...

        and under this matter, it is desirable to substitute star-striped - this is their technology ...
        1. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 18 February 2014 21: 09
          0
          Another export of the revolution, in my opinion it has already passed! Show real successes and people will reach us, but for now ..... sorry nothing to brag about.
    3. Burmistr
      Burmistr 18 February 2014 12: 18
      +1
      You can not play with the enemy according to his rules. We need other ways to think through and implement.
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 12: 25
        +2
        Quote: Burmeister
        You can not play with the enemy according to his rules.

        we already tried not to play ...
        it ended in two collapses, first the Empire, then the Union ...

        Quote: Burmeister
        We need other ways to think through and implement.

        everything has already been invented before us ...
        just a likely adversary need to dunk more often in him the same * sneakers ...
      2. zzz
        zzz 18 February 2014 12: 47
        +1
        Quote: Burmeister
        You can not play with the enemy according to his rules. Need other ways to think through and implement


        And, by the way, there is a saying "My lard, my musals"! Why invent something new, but here methods have already been tested in practice + a little of our own, from personal experience - this will give the result, mb is 10 times more effective. You need to try, in practice.
      3. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 20 February 2014 10: 13
        0
        I agree: You can’t play, but you have to beat!
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 18 February 2014 09: 10
    +5
    Betrayal is betrayal and is, why invent some kind of theoretical basis for it? The same Vlasov betrayed because he was afraid for his skin, he did not want to free anything and anyone, and he could not, because a normal person does not it would come to mind to fight against your country, destroy it, and then, like, to act against the Germans, but then the question immediately arises, if the regular Red Army could not cope with the Germans, then a handful of traitors and renegades will be able to? Do not tell me. since the "Cold War" they just wanted a good life, "the stomach called" so to speak.
    1. Altona
      Altona 18 February 2014 09: 27
      +4
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Betrayal is treason, and why invent a theoretical basis for it?

      ----------------------------
      Not theoretical, but legal ... It is quite available to itself, it is only necessary to apply ... I already said the post above ...TRADER = COLLABORATIONIST = CRIMINAL = ENEMY OF THE STATE... here is the standard formula ... It is applied in all countries and without any ideological ideas and snot ...
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 18 February 2014 09: 53
        +5
        As for me, this is better than Genghis Khan no one has expressed:
        "A coward, a liar, an adulterer, a sodomite, a thief, a traitor, without distinction of age and nobility - death" ...
        At this historical moment, there is no inevitability of punishment, so any trash takes advantage of this. And at all times betrayal was severely punished, death and that's it, no prison term can expiate betrayal, as an option can only be considered "50 years without the right of early release from compulsory work, for example, at uranium mines, or at other life-threatening work. "Not less. Let them choose a bullet in the back of the head (although a gallows is better) or a mine for a period of 50 years.
        1. xan
          xan 18 February 2014 15: 42
          +1
          Quote: Standard Oil
          "A coward, a liar, an adulterer, a sodomite, a thief, a traitor, without distinction of age and nobility - death" ...

          I would have crossed out adulterers from this list
          otherwise all my familiar officer falls under Genghis Khan justice.
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  • Magadan
    Magadan 18 February 2014 09: 13
    +15
    Therefore, guys, let us think with our own head before raising anti-migrant and especially anti-Caucasian hysteria. Yes, it is necessary to demand clear rules of the game for migrants, but do not hate the Uzbeks themselves with the Tajiks. They came to earn money with their hump to feed their families. And they work in good faith! And their ancestors, together with ours, defended their homeland from the Nazis.
    And there is no need to say nonsense that "all Caucasians are wild, angry, arrogant, they dance lezginka at night under the window", etc. All Caucasians whom I know are reliable friends, ready to come to the rescue at any moment. The Caucasus is the ideology of the family, it is a real culture of correct man-woman-child relationships. This is in many ways an example for us how to properly defend our values. I applauded the Georgians when they dared to fuck a gay parade along with the police and armored vehicles. And I envy the white envy of the Ingush for the fact that the younger brother will never smoke / drink in the presence of the older brother! And in general, Caucasian men, because their women retain their virginity until marriage! This is why the Caucasians are hated by the liberal gay get-together, which manipulates us with the help of "enough to feed the Caucasus" and the same get-together directs some Caucasian thugs against the Russians, who are in any nation, causing our hatred of all Caucasians. And this same get-together makes it so that if you kick a scumbag in the face of a Caucasian, then you sit down for "inciting ethnic hatred."
    Yes, we are openly pitted and we, the Russians, will have to learn how to behave intolerantly towards scumbags, while not raising hatred for all the people.
    1. Victor-M
      Victor-M 18 February 2014 22: 55
      0
      Quote: Magadan
      Therefore, guys, let us think with our own head before raising anti-migrant and especially anti-Caucasian hysteria. Yes, it is necessary to demand clear rules of the game for migrants, but do not hate the Uzbeks themselves with the Tajiks. They came to earn money with their hump to feed their families. And they work in good faith! And their ancestors, together with ours, defended their homeland from the Nazis.
      And there is no need to say nonsense that "all Caucasians are wild, angry, arrogant, they dance lezginka at night under the window", etc. All Caucasians whom I know are reliable friends, ready to come to the rescue at any moment. The Caucasus is the ideology of the family, it is a real culture of correct man-woman-child relationships. This is in many ways an example for us how to properly defend our values. I applauded the Georgians when they dared to fuck a gay parade along with the police and armored vehicles. And I envy the white envy of the Ingush for the fact that the younger brother will never smoke / drink in the presence of the older brother! And in general, Caucasian men, because their women retain their virginity until marriage! This is why the Caucasians are hated by the liberal gay get-together, which manipulates us with the help of "enough to feed the Caucasus" and the same get-together directs some Caucasian thugs against the Russians, who are in any nation, causing our hatred of all Caucasians. And this same get-together makes it so that if you kick a scumbag in the face of a Caucasian, then you sit down for "inciting ethnic hatred."
      Yes, we are openly pitted and we, the Russians, will have to learn how to behave intolerantly towards scumbags, while not raising hatred for all the people.

      Well done !!! Exactly! good "+" - sishe!
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 18 February 2014 09: 22
    +3
    In war, as in war, this slogan should be decisive in relations with the West more liberal in Russia itself. They are not shy in their relationship with us.
    1. Bezz
      Bezz 18 February 2014 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: tank64rus
      In war, as in war, this slogan should be decisive in relations with the West more liberal in Russia itself. They are not shy in their relationship with us.

      Yes, American imperialism has always existed and today has not gone anywhere. The Soviet Union posed a real threat as an example of the existence of a state of workers and peasants (theoretically), therefore, in addition to the seizure of economically advantageous territories, the Americans established their influence on the territory that was advantageous in military-strategic terms. Today, Russia cannot be an enemy for the United States, as a source of communist ideology, and as an economically advantageous zone it cannot be captured by military methods - a sheepskin is not worth the cost, military costs will never pay off. Yes, they continue and will continue to capture small oil-producing countries in the Middle East - cheap and profitable! And in Russia, they long ago decided their economic ambitions through Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin, the USA conducts economic activity with Russia on the most favorable conditions, these conditions will never change until your deputies, ministers, presidents have real estate and their business in the USA, their children they live and study there. Well, why should the US fight with Russia, it is easier to run into the American business of our officials - they will sign everything at once. And political bickering is all blah, blah, blah - for the townsfolk, the appearance of activity, well, we must justify the budget of the huge political apparatus.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 18 February 2014 09: 39
    +1
    Traitors are ideological, but there are those who are shaking for their own skin. Is the same Vlasov an ideological traitor who sincerely believes in what he did or just clung to the preservation of his life? It is clear that one thing that the other does not justify betrayal, but still? Why am I asking this because I believe that, unlike during the Second World War, today there are more ideological ones.
    1. Altona
      Altona 18 February 2014 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      Traitors are ideological, but there are those who are shaking for their own skin. Is the same Vlasov an ideological traitor who sincerely believes in what he did or just clung to the preservation of his life?

      --------------------------------
      What is "ideological" then? Surrendered to the enemy, threw the entrusted units, changed the military oath. A criminal whatever one may say. Justification by the "fight against the Soviets and Stalin" is a fluid argument and an attempt to hide one's selfish interest. Ideological, as you say, are always about the same, today there are more dissatisfied with the existing order of things, including myself ... Ataman Krasnov had a motive for personal revenge on a certain group of people, also no "ideological", a continuous train of war crimes ...
      1. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 18 February 2014 21: 19
        0
        Now we all declared the White Movement to be traitors, and Leo Davydovich to the saviors of the Russian people?
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    3. viktsavenko
      viktsavenko 18 February 2014 10: 15
      +1
      "There are ideological traitors, and there are those who shake their skins." there are no ideological or non-ideological traitors. There is an enemy and there is a traitor. A traitor can shake his skin or sell for a jar of jam, all the same. After the film was released, all these Vlasov brothers screamed on the sites (especially on "Echo"). So a normal film! And so it is clear to everyone who the Shenderovichs, Navalny, Sobchaks are, and here they pointed a finger specifically. You can treat the authorities in different ways. I don't think that everyone loved the Tsar in 1812, and Stalin, perhaps not all adored in the Great Patriotic War, went to the Motherland and died!
    4. f4b2
      f4b2 18 February 2014 10: 28
      +3
      Ideological, not ideological.
      In the case of betrayal, it is either there or not.
      And the reasons ... To justify, if desired, and developed pi ... speech, anything can be.

      He stood up against his country - a traitor. Dot.
      And the fact that you are also ideological is only worse.
    5. demel2
      demel2 18 February 2014 10: 58
      0
      But what difference does an ideological traitor or simply fill your belly with a traitor, he is a traitor, but really there are more ideological ones, who do you think are ideological dogs and Novodvorskaya ideological, because it’s fashionable for us to bark at the power now, and the second is a professional revolutionist. Or maybe the colonel is ideological, who not so long ago betrayed his friends. And where is the idea in all three cases? For example, he was dispossessed, who lost his good, and even his people. And what scum has this idea?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 18 February 2014 13: 14
        +1
        What difference does an ideological traitor or just fill your belly

        There is a difference - now betrayal is taking the form of ideology, and not just as you say "fill your belly." New ideology - with the manipulation and falsification of historical events, discrediting historical figures, substitution of concepts and values.
    6. Navy7981
      Navy7981 18 February 2014 17: 34
      0
      traitors have few ideas. 1. money - nothing personal, just a business (very convenient) 2. personal lack of solvency - who knows little, but pretends to be "genius" (Kovalevs, Albats, novye, and the like) 3. desire to live as you please, just to live. The list goes on
      There is only one difficult and terrible situation, which in no way justifies betrayal, but explains: your loved ones have been taken hostage - what should I do? How much courage and reason is enough, seeing how someone close is torn apart. And everyone else with their ideas is just small, very mean and very vindictive creatures
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 18 February 2014 10: 09
    +3
    Dear Colleagues! I propose reading Comrade I.V. Stalin on the national question. He said in the early 20s that the national republics were not needed, whether they wanted or not, they would subsequently raise separatists. We still cannot, do not want to understand the statements of V.V.Zhirinovsky on the need to abolish national republics and switch to provincial division in Russia (read the press, analyze, all federations have the same problems.)!
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 18 February 2014 10: 13
    0
    b / R / Ethans and a / M / ericos already in several dozen countries, starting from the twentieth century, started fratricidal wars ... It turns out that in each of these countries there are OWN and Yuds, urging them to go after them, they call to kill each other .
    But in America itself, this is almost impossible, in this "free" country can be killed or imprisoned only on suspicion! And they will not allow the activities of similar "public organizations".
    Why is this possible in Russia?
    The country's leadership needs to track down such "patriots" in time, at the KGB level, if it does not want to see the country in ruins. And then these "public organizations", carrying out clearly subversive activities in the country divorced like cockroaches. The question arises: - "Why does the government turn a blind eye to this?" And you involuntarily guess that the government also has a "fifth column" - and Uda.
  • sinukvl
    sinukvl 18 February 2014 10: 16
    +5
    I begin to regret more and more that Comrade Stalin is not in our lmberasts!
  • Mviktor
    Mviktor 18 February 2014 10: 17
    +2
    Quote: raf
    I watched this movie yesterday. I almost broke the TV! But not because the films are bad, but because of some characters. Imagine this: a sort of well-fed mug sits, glossy with fat and enthusiastically talks about what a good person General Vlasov was. The fact that he was going to liberate Russia from Bolshevism, and in general, in his opinion, he is a hero. Honestly, he would have strangled him next to him!


    I have the same feelings, the film’s characters carried such an abomination that I didn’t even watch the film. Fat Jew Gavriil Popov justifies Vlasov at night. Do you see him talking with the spirit, but he didn’t try the devil. In 1942, this reptile was sent to General Vlasov, for a heart-to-heart talk. From one realization that we now have the majority in the government like the heroes of the film, I want to deal with them
  • Cappit
    Cappit 18 February 2014 10: 19
    +3
    In my opinion, the film is not quite right accents. The main attention is paid to Vlasov. Vlasov’s work can be explained (not justified!) By the fact that he was in a difficult situation when he was forced to choose between life and death. Everything is clear with him - he gave a wimp, and then there wasn’t the courage to shoot himself, and rolled downhill. This is not a great mystery.
    The "biochemistry" of betrayal had to begin to study from the events of January-February 1917 (this was mentioned in the film, but in passing), it was hard to emphasize that it was not the Bolsheviks who led the country to collapse (Lenin and Trotsky were hanging out abroad at that time), but traitors Milyukov, Lvov and other Purishkevichs, the ideological fathers of our modern liberal democrats.
    The study of the betrayal of Russia should be completed by the events of 1991-99. Until the "heroes" of those days are given their due (those who are alive - in real terms, who have escaped human judgment - the curse of History), traitors in our country will feel very comfortable and cozy.
    There is nothing to blame on Europe and America. From their bell tower they are right and their guys are competently doing their job. It is necessary to deal with your Chubais, Kasparov, Kasyanov and others like them.
    1. Fin
      Fin 18 February 2014 12: 37
      +1
      Quote: Cappit
      Vlasov’s work can be explained (not justified!) By the fact that he was in a difficult situation when he was forced to choose between life and death.

      For three weeks I could not go out to my? He was not captured, he went to the Germans, introduced himself and surrendered voluntarily. Justify ??
      1. Cappit
        Cappit 18 February 2014 13: 15
        +2
        It cannot be justified - it can be explained. In a similar situation, General I.Kh.Bagromyan withdrew 2 thousand fighters from the encirclement, whom he had collected from the units escaping from the encirclement. Ivan Khristoforovich is a hero, not a traitor. General Vlasov is a coward and a traitor. That is the whole explanation.
  • RBLip
    RBLip 18 February 2014 10: 24
    0
    I don’t really understand, do we have anybody doing "chaos theory"? only it needs to be brought to HIM (Anglo-Saxons) home. why can they and we can’t? why can't Russia support the same Irish Republican Army (IRA)? does Ireland have the right to self-determination? It has. you can support Texas. help with a referendum on the withdrawal of this distinctive territory from the United States ... Alaska in general for the Russians is our territory. Why does the United States need this enclave? there bears, snow and nothing else (we need to bring this idea to "ordinary" Americans, anyway they are not strong in geography, if they are about 5 years old will be told this nonsense by their "free and independent media" and we have enough money to make them about five years to "sponsor" and grants (read bribes) to distribute the Americans themselves will want to disunite. To beat the enemies with their own weapon. They have more experience, we have brains. Let's see who is who.
    1. Syrdon
      Syrdon 18 February 2014 10: 37
      +1
      yes, we need to start the "Stop feeding Alaska" campaign through amerovskih bloggers, organize rallies of African Americans with the slogans "F ** k Texas f ** k," mirror, so to speak, in return)))
    2. Altona
      Altona 18 February 2014 11: 15
      0
      Quote: RBLip
      only it needs to be brought to BAT (Anglo-Saxons) home. why they can and we can not? why can't Russia support the same Irish Republican Army (IRA)? does Ireland have the right to self-determination? It has. can

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      Not Ireland, but Northern Ireland-Ulster, the conflict is inter-religious, oppress the Catholic majority ... If you want to join or support the IRA, your land will burn under your feet, automatically fly into all black lists and will be sentenced to death in absentia and indispensable extradition from any territory ... Go for it ...
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 18 February 2014 14: 32
        -2
        Quote: Altona
        Not Ireland, but Northern Ireland-Ulster, there is an inter-religious conflict, oppress the Catholic majority ..

        how so???!!!!! they have the same "victorious democracy", and here is a conflict ... something does not fit ... yes, and put me squatting Ulster, Munster, London, Manchester. I cited IRu as an example .... you, if you understand the issue so well, tell me why they can support Chechen / Kaukaz militants, collect loot for them, not give them to Russia, but we cannot IRU?
        1. Altona
          Altona 18 February 2014 15: 00
          -1
          Quote: RBLip
          I brought the example of IRA .... you, if you are so good at understanding the issue, tell me why they can support Chechen / Kazakaz fighters, collect loot for them, and not give them to Russia, but we can’t give IRU?

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          There is a list of terrorist organizations universally recognized by the international community; the support of the IRA, the Red Army, and the Basque separatists is an interference in the internal affairs of the countries where they operate and sponsorship of terrorism with all the ensuing consequences for the sponsor country ... Continue next?
          1. RBLip
            RBLip 18 February 2014 15: 22
            0
            You have not answered the question. or IRA - terrorists, and our Kazakaz gangsters are sniffing flowers? again, the Basques are separatists, but who in Kosovo then?
            1. Altona
              Altona 18 February 2014 17: 33
              -2
              Quote: RBLip
              You have not answered the question. or IRA - terrorists, and our Kazakaz gangsters are sniffing flowers? again, the Basques are separatists, but who in Kosovo then?

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              How do you answer that? We are now on the same board with the whole world, the ideological confrontation seems to be over. The Western world will call someone terrorists, someone not, everything does not depend on us ... Kosovo was recognized as sovereign territory, and the facts of the atrocities of the UCHK were hidden ... What exactly do you want? Again, the Cold War in full? Russians vs USA?
              Here are the people with us ... I ran, minus stuck, even if I said a word, the partisans are liberal ... bully
              1. Rblipetsk
                Rblipetsk 18 February 2014 18: 51
                0
                Quote: Altona
                Here are the people with us ... I ran, minus stuck, even if I said a word, the partisans are liberal.

                interesting. and who is it?
                Quote: Altona
                Again, the Cold War in full? Russians vs USA?

                I just think that it never ended. Yes, and this policy is rotten-double. and the answer to the question is simple - Western crap democrats treat us as if not people. In turn, I consider it quite possible to answer them with the same coin.
                1. Altona
                  Altona 18 February 2014 19: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: RBLipetsk
                  I just think that it never ended. Yes, and this policy is rotten-double. and the answer to the question is simple - Western crap democrats treat us as if not people. In turn, I consider it quite possible to answer them with the same coin.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  and did it really end, so that we would like it again, they both fought with us on the ideological front and are at war

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                  So we are waging it as best we can on the media (non-ideological) front and on the diplomatic one too ... We don’t have more money ... We are just 143 million people, another global war and we won’t be ... Full-scale cold war We were talking about the times of the USSR, we supported various kinds of regimes, we fought illegally in Korea, Angola, Egypt and Vietnam ... We are opposed by at least 300 million EU and 300 million US plus 300-500 million of their allies to the whole world - Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Japan and others ... What do you want then? Yes, they are listening to us, but the global media inspire and show the world a different picture ... What do you propose? And this despite the fact that we are firmly tied to the global financial system and the international market ... Put yourself in the position of the President and try to steer mentally ...
                  1. Rblipetsk
                    Rblipetsk 18 February 2014 19: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Altona
                    What do you want then? Yes, they are listening to us, but the global media inspire and show the world a different picture ... What do you propose? And this despite the fact that we are firmly tied into the global financial system, the international market ...

                    I understand only one thing. There were far more than 25 million of us 143 years ago. something about 290 million. we lost in the cold war and immediately we became half as much. the same thing happened by the way in 1917. because then, by and large, we also lost the mass media war .... therefore, I believe that no matter what money we invest in the Olympics, football championships, etc. they poured on us as they will. but with the same IRA, Alaska, and Texas at much lower cost, our main enemies would get such problems that Russia could at least for a while rest.
                    AND ENOUGH A MAN MINUS ALREADY, PLEASE.
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 18 February 2014 19: 19
                      0
                      Quote: RBLipetsk
                      but with the same IRA, Alaska, and Texas at much lower cost, our main enemies would get such problems that Russia could at least for a while rest.

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                      In such operations, they will quickly catch us and, moreover, they will initiate similar provocations and blame us ... Shanks from bombs with cyrillic stamps are already poking us in the face, and you are offering full-blown terrorist trash in the spirit of Sudoplatov ... Now this is not a ride ... Apparently there were such attempts, but Chapman and the company were immediately given to us ... Another era and opportunities are not the same ... So leave the ice ax Siqueiros in the pantry ...
                      I’m telling you how I understand the situation and our real possibilities, taking into account our place in the world ... How is this possible and how will we legally come back if we are caught in the arm? This is a matter of big politics, and politics is the art of the possible ...
                      1. Rblipetsk
                        Rblipetsk 18 February 2014 20: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Altona
                        In such operations, they will quickly catch us and, moreover, they will instigate similar provocations and blame us ..

                        Yes, they are doing it now. Well, how do you not understand? it's like cards with a deck of his deck according to his rules. and so lose. rules need to be changed. as tough as possible to answer them. Have you read Puzo? if the conditional prince harry tomorrow finds the head of his beloved dog on his desk with an inscription - do not go to the Russians (I exaggerate) he will probably think again - and maybe he really shouldn't ...
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 19: 25
                    +1
                    First you need to admit that the move from state ideology was a mistake and at least start anti-propaganda at home, in the end, not only shoot sitcoms, but films about our Heroes and you don’t really need to look for them.
                    the same galiwood does it non-stop, who saves the world in disasters - Americans, who saves the world from Martians - Americans, etc., etc.

                    and, accordingly, wonizav, Shandyrovich and all this scum in the end to call to account
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 18 February 2014 19: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      at least to start anti-propaganda at home, in the end to shoot not only sitcoms, but also films about our Heroes and you don’t really need to look for them.

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                      Unfortunately, they shoot all sorts of nonsense like "Penal Battalion" and "Burnt by the Sun", give state money for lecherous theatrical performances with shocking scenes of sodomy and naked bodies ...
                  3. Starina_hank
                    Starina_hank 18 February 2014 21: 30
                    0
                    Yes, you have to deal with yours!
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 February 2014 18: 54
                +1
                Quote: Altona
                What exactly do you want? Again, the Cold War in full? Russians vs USA?

                and did it really end, so that we would like it again, they both fought with us on the ideological front and are at war
              3. Starina_hank
                Starina_hank 18 February 2014 21: 28
                0
                I would say that we seem to be on the same board as the whole world, but it seems that not everyone wants to see next to us on this board.
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        3. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 18 February 2014 21: 25
          0
          The policy is called double standards.
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    4. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 18 February 2014 21: 24
      0
      Do you feel sorry for the Eskimos? Did you ask the Eskimos?
  • 787nkx
    787nkx 18 February 2014 10: 26
    0
    Three generations without destructive processes will create traditions of self-preservation of the nation and society.
    Do we have 100 years in stock?
    Or rather, will they give us the opportunity to calmly grow three generations.
    There is a chance to reduce this historical gap by 50 years,
    then we must begin to use the traditions laid down in the USSR.
    Only from father to son can the indisputable truth be conveyed,
    everything else is washed off very easily.
  • komissar
    komissar 18 February 2014 10: 29
    0
    The film is strong and very necessary, but it was not shown at a very good time. Most viewers at that time watched dance couples competitions at the Olympic Games. It is necessary to repeat it more than once on all Russian channels, so that the maximum number of Russians saw this pro-prolific scum.
  • Berimor 2
    Berimor 2 18 February 2014 10: 35
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: avia12005
    It is necessary to apply the same strategy against the EU and the USA !!!

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    How? Create servers in our territory and broadcast something, create a fifth column? Initiate a cyberattack? Spit on their culture and history? The establishment with the West initiates a war with us and you won’t take it for eggs, even Stalin didn’t always succeed ...

    At the so-called. The West lacks its "dark spots". This is the lunar program, and September 11 and tungsten in Fort Knox gold and much, much more. The systematic debunking of these bubbles will lead to the desired result.
  • MolGro
    MolGro 18 February 2014 10: 38
    +1
    The film shows how poor the liberals are and their ideas !!
    1. Altona
      Altona 18 February 2014 11: 46
      +2
      Quote: MolGro
      The film shows how poor the liberals are and their ideas !!

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      I will a little stand up for liberalism as an idea ... Liberalism implies, in general, the reduction of excessive state pressure on the citizen, the rule of law, freedom of entrepreneurship, protection of private property, freedom of speech, and in moderate doses, like snake venom, is very useful for overcoming excessive conservatism in society. ..Putin, by the way, had this in mind, calling himself a liberal ... That is, the principle "You need to look at things better, but people need to be softer" ... goals, that is, "Russian liberalism" are collaborators, traitors, collaborating with the West under ideological guise to destroy Russia ...
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  • Humpty
    Humpty 18 February 2014 10: 43
    +1
    The film is needed. I am sure that the creators of the film could say much more in any of the topics that they touched. It is good that honest documentaries began to appear more often. Betrayal is always associated with the ugliness of the soul.
    1. Slavapom
      Slavapom 18 February 2014 11: 19
      +1
      but I have a proposal, to launch a desu indicating the time and place of a conference, for example, dedicated to the same Vlasov and the ROA, to invite all these bl .. there, without discounts on age and gender, and take out an organized column from there all this to Wrangel Island, for the construction of the monument to their beloved Vlasov, improvised means / teeth, hands /.
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 18 February 2014 10: 51
    0
    It’s time to return to the study of history in schools as it was in Soviet times and supplement it with the latest. The younger generation should know the heroes of our country and its traitors from a young age and then the hysteria of some of the underbelly will sound like a mosquito squeak in the choir of patriots. And it turned out that Beethoven is not a dog to say nothing of the fact that they do not know Karbyshev, Kosmodemyanskaya, Matorsov and many others.
    Patriotic education should be a priority.
  • loginovich
    loginovich 18 February 2014 11: 12
    +2
    Imperialism built socialism an empire again, and well-wishers are all the same England America France Germany even when, like a common enemy, they beat one of them together, they were enemies anyway. As Fucik warned, people should be vigilant
  • Proud.
    Proud. 18 February 2014 11: 18
    +13
    Let us remember the Russian General. On February 18, 1945, at the Mauthausen concentration camp, General Karbyshev, along with other prisoners of war, was repeatedly doused with ice water at a 12-degree frost. IMMORTALITY. In 1946, he became a Hero of the Soviet Union, posthumously.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 19 February 2014 09: 12
      0
      True to the last letter, but unlike Vlasov and the like, General D.M. Karbyshev was a real RUSSIAN OFFICER. What can I say, even A.I. Denikin, one of the leaders of the white movement, rejected the Nazi proposal to speak with them against Russia and urged white immigrants not to cooperate with the enemies of the Fatherland — Denikin is also a Russian Officer!
  • Duelist
    Duelist 18 February 2014 11: 24
    +2
    Quote: Standard Oil
    As for me, no one has yet expressed himself better than Genghis Khan: "A coward, a liar, an adulterer, a sodomite, a thief, a traitor, without distinction of age and nobility - death" ...

    Well, everything is much more neglected here ....
    There should be a "firing squad" list of embezzlers, traitors and other traitors to the Motherland. And as one of the measures of suppression of collaborationism - deprivation of citizenship.

    There was a cool phrase in the film - betrayal has no statute of limitations!
  • Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 18 February 2014 11: 26
    +1
    Quote: Fin
    I liked the film, I had to add Shenderovich, Latynina, Albats and other "patriots".

    Quote: Fin
    I liked the film, I had to add Shenderovich, Latynina, Albats and other "patriots".

    the film was not made yesterday. These are the characters of the following series - m. following dozens of episodes.
    It is very good that they began to show it on the Main State. channels. They talk about it on RenTV, but somehow from the lips of Prokopenko mixed with aliens and Gipeborey seriously not everyone will take it. It is very good that they started to show it on the Main state. channels. They talk about this at RenTV, but somehow from the lips of Prokopenko mixed with aliens and Gipeborey seriously not everyone will take it.
    The film and the article Rempekt and Uvuhuh
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 18 February 2014 11: 35
    +1
    Yes, no))) will not work for them today, they are not acting correctly ... Putin may therefore be silent (although this is bad for the brotherly people), which makes it possible for the peoples of Russia to see what the western "plasticine candy" will lead to for Ukraine. Seeing not only the result, but the dynamics of a trip to the ass on the air is a cold shower for those who in the Russian Federation are looking for copulation with Western values ​​...
  • RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 18 February 2014 12: 00
    0
    Quote: Fin
    There was a moment when "human rights activist" Kovalev said that he didn't care what rag hung over the Kremlin.
    I liked the film, I had to add Shenderovich, Latynina, Albats and other "patriots".


    So if you add all these ur..does - you have to shoot the whole series - like Santa Barbara :)
  • Duelist
    Duelist 18 February 2014 12: 06
    +1
    Yesterday, iPhone made a statement on the sale of state property and one of the objects of the Novorossiysk port is the largest port in Russia. “Isn't that a betrayal?” There is no doubt that the oligarchs will buy for pennies.
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 18 February 2014 16: 12
      0
      Transneft, Rostelecom.
  • Zheleznyak
    Zheleznyak 18 February 2014 12: 13
    0
    "The war against Russia is not over" - I watched the film, my contribution is necessary to know how the enemy acts.
    Here is an example, a poll organized on a "TV channel" (it is important to try not to repeat names), this is how a very little prepared person sees it.
    The action (special operation) was thought out, and it was thought out exactly the way it was carried out, briefly highlight the question, then remove it - they say they were mistaken. Other media will repeat this question (as it was) - this is a continuation of the survey. The channel held a "telethon on the theme" What does it mean to love your homeland "" - it was the development of a special operation, in especially "favorable" conditions - as TV critic Irina Petrovskaya (available online) said "on the eve of a big international holiday and event." That is, they will show "to the entire civilized world" for the Olympics how we "press freedom".
    In the special operation scheme, a straightforward, straightforward, simple formal logic is clearly visible - a sign of the production of the Anglo-Saxon subculture.
    The same intrigue, meanness and falsehood are the driving forces of a well-known culture. On the methods of psychological warfare, you can find literature on the net.
    This is a special run from the section "designing the future" - all "independent" sociological services are engaged in this, the beginning of this action was also formalized as a survey.
    Several tens of thousands of people work at the ABN; they produce propaganda and information warfare products for such services.
    I admit that many are used just in the dark.
    The fact that the channel's management did not dismiss the survey authors suggests that the management is most likely "in the know," and the interests of investors are not a simple business, this is a more intellectual pursuit - this is a war with our culture. They think they are constructing our future.
    Wait and see, knowledge is power.
    Do not ruin the game, think and work for everyone, it’s the last battle for the Anglo-Saxons - they are ready to do anything.
    This is really their last battle *, everyone works, they are ready to do anything, everyone to work with full dedication. Everyone in their free time.

    * A country, a government, a people that turned money into a virtual fiction, sooner or later it will become a virtual reality, and we will help them in this.
  • vyatom
    vyatom 18 February 2014 12: 20
    +1
    Quote: erg
    Is the Vlasov rag a Russian tricolor? Actually, the Germans forbade the Vlasovites to have a tricolor as a flag. It was believed that this would spur Russian self-awareness. And for them, Vlasov and others like him were only tools of their policy - he took advantage and threw it away. So that the rushniki marched under the Andreevsky flag, and had patches with it, and not with tricolor.

    And I read a book about the fact that Vlasov was our agent, who was captured by the Germans and there united all the Russian forces in the ROA, which never opposed the Soviet Army. Only in 1944. And in Czechoslovakia, the ROA hit the rear of the Germans. And in 1944, it was the Vlasovites who kept the Western Wall in Normandy preventing the Americans and British from moving deeper into France, while many Germans surrendered. How can this be true?
    1. tomket
      18 February 2014 13: 01
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      the film shows how Vlasov telegraphed our troops that he would hit the Germans in the rear if they saved his life, and then telegraphed the Americans asking them for asylum, I think the introduced agent would not act like that, because he knew that awards were waiting for him at home. Vlasov I knew what a hangman awaits for his deeds. Do you feel the difference?
      1. vyatom
        vyatom 18 February 2014 15: 18
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        Quote: tomket
        the film shows how Vlasov telegraphed our troops that he would hit the Germans in the rear if they saved his life, and then telegraphed the Americans asking them for asylum, I think the introduced agent would not act like that, because he knew that awards were waiting for him at home. Vlasov I knew what a hangman awaits for his deeds. Do you feel the difference?

        So it seems that the Americans gave it to us
        1. tomket
          18 February 2014 22: 15
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          I mean, the mishandled agent would not do this, much less run to the Americans in the end.
        2. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 20 February 2014 10: 22
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          No, our scouts took him when he tried to escape to the Americans, otherwise they would have given him to us. Although Shkuro and Krasnova, together with their "army", were given to us by the British without much persistence, but who needs waste material! Neither yours nor ours love traitors!
  • Burmistr
    Burmistr 18 February 2014 12: 21
    +2
    Well, there are a lot of traitor scum known. What prevents them from making such a "sweet" life in our country that they will instantly jump out of here. I propose to begin with regularly hitting their muzzles.
    1. July
      July 20 February 2014 11: 27
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      And they will put you in jail. Betrayal is now in honor. In power are those who at one time betrayed the whole country.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 18 February 2014 12: 37
    +2
    I did not understand something, Mazuto-Kerosini ,,. This is how? It is not good to betray the present-day Russia as ai-ya-ay, for now everything is gut, and in Soviet times Russia and the Russian people were not, and, wonderful Russian patriots Vlasov, Krasnov, Skins, etc. helped the nazis to destroy the bolshevik-stalinist regime in the face of many millions of soviet people? The current Russia suddenly appeared from a parallel dimension, and the parents (ancestors), Benzino-Lygroin, lived in America and was guaranteed a rebirth, in real times? I, unfortunately, did not manage to watch the named film, with the exception of some small fragments, but there is a sad picture. There are many examples in the media when students know the traitor Vlasov, but do not know Karbyshev, do not know what the fifth column is. , they don’t know who the internationalists are in Spain and when it was; they don’t know about the Battle of Borodino, they don’t know what I know from school in Soviet times. Soon they will not know anything about the Kursk Bulge and about the Great Patriotic War in general. And this is the youth that zhaet very educated, which sobiraetsyai wants to control Russia, to be masters of the country! God forbid! Is this not an example that in Russia there is no system of national education for young people and there is a bad educational system. There are people who would not mind making the heroes of our time, creatures like Novodvorskaya, who once expressed such hateful words to the defenders of the White House that Hitler and Himmler would have applauded and would dance for her. Is, the production of Ivanov, kinship is not remembering, put on stream? If it succeeds, the fate of Russia will be sad.
    1. Cappit
      Cappit 18 February 2014 13: 21
      +1
      But Klitschko, the son of a Soviet officer, a contender for the Ukrainian throne, declares that there was no Great Patriotic War!
      1. Altona
        Altona 18 February 2014 15: 09
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        Quote: Cappit
        But Klitschko, the son of a Soviet officer, a contender for the Ukrainian throne, declares that there was no Great Patriotic War!

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        This is a very fashionable "humanistic" thesis that there was a struggle against fascism and the Second World War, and the Second World War is such a small-town term ... Meanwhile, the War captured half of our European territory and 70 million people ... In Great Britain and the United States so they did not fight on a large scale on their territory, and even with such losses: human, material, territorial. We fought on the territory of our Fatherland with a specific armed enemy, and as such, we fought fascism already during the liberation of Europe ... For Klitschko there are no domestic wars, he has a residence permit in an occupied country (Germany) and he also wants to surrender Ukraine to the invaders ...
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 19 February 2014 09: 16
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          Well, what did you want from the "wretched" one, all the brains in the ring were beaten off to him. And in general, all this "trinity", another gang of traitors to their native country, looks very disgusting!
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    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 20 February 2014 10: 28
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      Dear Nikolaevich, and to whom you are so diligently trying to explain what is good and what is bad, this Mazuto-Kerosini completed a full course of training from our so-called. "partners" and they "grounded" him well, do not waste your time and knowledge! Although I must say that you answered yourself!
  • plut-k
    plut-k 18 February 2014 12: 51
    +4
    I watched this film yesterday, literate, relevant as never before. I fully and completely support him, he is a traitor and a traitor in Africa, he took the side of the enemy or foe of his Motherland - the TRAITOR. Without any discounts on freedom of opinion and ideology, excuses for fighting the regime, etc. etc. But I'm a little about something else. Here on the site everyone is rightly indignant, they say it is necessary to fight this phenomenon in every possible way by all available and inaccessible ways. But what amazed me - no one paid attention to such a fake pod in the body of the film broadcast, namely, during the disclosure of the very essence of betrayal, they suddenly show a girl in a swimsuit and a voice-over says "who said that heaven on earth is not possible" - it's like "nothing personal, just business."
    Vysotsky has these lines: I do not like when half
    or when the conversation was interrupted.
    I do not like when they shoot in the back
    I am also against point blank shot
  • Brother
    Brother 18 February 2014 12: 59
    +4
    The film has been watched, and I am pleased with it! Such films should be replayed every six months, alarm clock reminder!
  • Nikolay74
    Nikolay74 18 February 2014 13: 00
    +3
    The USA likes to point out to us that we have a "dictatorship" there is no "democracy", remember what a howl was raised when a certain Magnitsky died in a pre-trial detention center, who allegedly did not receive medical aid on time. And now remember the pilot Eroshenko to whom medical assistance was allowed to be made only after the urgent demands of the Russian Foreign Ministry. I myself recently worked in the Federal Penitentiary Service, and I know that failure to provide assistance to employees will mean punishment up to and including criminal liability. I myself often took out convicts to ordinary city hospitals as part of the guard, and everyone was provided with medical assistance, regardless of what articles the prisoner was under. Trust some of the best medicine 9 grams per heart. But we don't have humanity.
  • garlik
    garlik 18 February 2014 13: 37
    +2
    Betrayal is always relevant unfortunately among the Slavs. Entire states are moving to the bic of a vorog
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 18 February 2014 13: 43
    +2
    and he killed me in the film ((((I’d love to meet someone and listen carefully ...