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Something about the incomplete sovereignty of Germany

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Something about the incomplete sovereignty of GermanyGerman Foreign Minister F.-V. Steinmeier arrived in Moscow as an old acquaintance. At a joint press conference with his guest, Sergey Lavrov assured that Moscow and Berlin have no problems, the discussion of which would be taboo. This statement emphasizes the confidential nature of the established relations and sounds in unison with the interview of the German minister, which was published on the eve of the visit to the Russian Kommersant. However, if long-standing partners maintain complete mutual understanding, then why does the German press call the visit a “difficult mission” and compare it with “walking on the edge of the abyss”? (1)


In the current government of Germany F.-V. Steinmeier has the richest experience in communicating with Russian partners, comparable only to the experience of A. Merkel. Recall that for the first time, Steinmeier was the Minister of Foreign Affairs in the 2005-2009 period, in the first office of A. Merkel, who, like the current one, consisted of representatives of the CDU / CSU and Social Democrats. It is believed that then, in opposition to the Chancellor, he actively supported the development of bilateral relations with Russia, proposing the concept of “Cooperation for Modernization”. A. Merkel, who proclaimed the establishment of a transatlantic partnership as a priority of her foreign policy, although she did not publicly criticize Steinmeier’s proposals, was skeptical about them. She proceeded from the fact that Russia is not going anywhere, she needs Western technologies in any case, including for the extraction of exported oil and gas, and Russia will be completely unwilling to turn to China, given the demographic vulnerability of Siberia and the Far East.

What has changed since then? While the Social Democrat Steinmeier was in the parliamentary opposition, German diplomacy, led by Guido Westerwelle, did not propose any new ideas in the Russian direction. In the coalition agreement signed during the creation of the current federal government, Russia has been given a lot of space, but this indicates, rather, the absence of a unified strategy for the coalition participants. The ideas entered into the treaty are good in themselves: open dialogue, broad cooperation. However, is there a practical program behind these declarations or at least a general concept? This concept was in G. Schroeder; In the book “Intangible Words”, the presentation of which took place in Berlin 14 in February of this year, it says that the EU and Europe can be a counterweight to the United States or China only with Russia (2).

Today, leading German politicians are distancing themselves from the “culture of restraint” attributed to Westerwelle. Germany can not be a great Switzerland, proclaims the expert of the Social Democratic Party on foreign policy and security policy J. Janning (3). The line on intensifying the foreign policy of the Federal Republic of Germany today is turning into a buildup of the German presence on the African continent and support for the anti-government speeches of the Ukrainian opposition. One wonders to wonder: what next? Where in the world will Germany consider itself responsible, what actions will it take there? The place of Russia in the new coordinates of German foreign policy, apparently, has not yet been determined. And while the Merkel doctrine (the establishment of the transatlantic partnership) remains in force, it is difficult to count on the success of the dialogue between Berlin and Moscow. This is what the first visit to Russia by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the third cabinet, A. Merkel, showed.

If the German side regards the visit as constructive, so much the worse. At Steinmeier’s talks in Moscow, Berlin’s only offer was to involve the OSCE in Ukraine as a mediator. Moscow did not accept the proposal, given the negative experience of OSCE mediation in resolving the “frozen conflicts” in the post-Soviet space. It seems that Berlin just waited.

Steinmeier’s meeting with her Russian counterpart was fruitless. Its only achievement is an exchange of views. F.-V. Steinmeier, roughly in this vein, spoke out when he said that it was better to meet and discuss problems than to keep silent. At the same time, the German minister responded with silence to S. Lavrov’s criticism of interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, which was voiced during the joint press conference. What is it - a sign of consent or unwillingness to engage in dialogue? For the beginning, it would be appropriate for the German minister to somehow state his position on the walk along the Maidan accompanied by the Klitschko brothers of his predecessor Guido Westerwelle, who was the first Western politician who demonstrated in this way support for anti-government forces in Ukraine. The current coordinator of the German foreign affairs agency for Russia, the Eastern Partnership and Central Asia, Gernot Erler, considered the Westerwelle share to be wrong (4). Does Mr. Steinmeier share this opinion? Unknown, since he significantly refrained from commenting. By the way, I did not say a word about the recording of the scandalous telephone conversation V. Nuland.

But F.-V. Steinmeier did not hesitate in expressions to express his indignation at how Russia took advantage of the plight of Ukraine. Immediately upon taking office, he read the Moscow notation, calling its course of action “absolutely outrageous”. What was meant was the decisions of the Russian president to allocate Ukraine a loan of 15 billions of dollars and provide a discount in the price of gas. One of the leading German experts on Eastern policy, H.-H. Schröder (from the Science and Politics Foundation close to the government) summed up: “Steinmeier doesn’t pay attention to the fact that he doesn’t say anything positive about Russia” (5). And how to reconcile this style with the thesis “Without Russia, nothing will come out”, which the minister expressed at the conference in Munich and repeated in his article in the weekly Focus? (6)

It seems that the reason for this dualism is that Berlin wants to avoid new complications that it may have through the transatlantic partnership. At the same time, I would not like confrontation with Russia. In general, to arrange everything in such a way that both capital and innocence can be kept.

Any changes in the foreign policy of Berlin jealously track the United States. The phrase “Germany has always been a problem for us” (7), which broke off from the head of the Pentagon under the influence of a minute, says a lot. And the Germans, of course, understand the limitations of their capabilities, if the federal minister admits: "In Germany, after 8 in May 1945, we were never fully sovereign" (8). Apparently, the “incomplete sovereignty” of the Federal Republic of Germany affects its relations with Russia.

The article by American experts from the Stratfor Center (9), which characterize Germany’s policy in Ukraine as cynical and overly assertive, draws attention to the Americans ... It hurts the Americans that Berlin too openly supports "its" Klitschko, and not Yatsenyuk, who sympathizes with Victoria Nuland. And, perhaps, Stratfor “just in case” wants to transfer the arrows to Berlin as the main co-driver of the Ukrainian brawl, at the same time pushing the heads of the Germans and Russians with their foreheads. Indeed, in the reasoning of the head of Stratfor George Friedman, a warning to the German upstarts comes through: you can be alone if you stop listening to us. In Southern Europe, you are hated for the fierce demands of budget savings, the French are looking with hope at the UK, dreaming of a new Entente cordiale, as opposed to the hegemony of the Germans in Europe. A Russian embittered attempt to tear Ukraine.

Apparently, in Berlin, they carefully considered the signal from the USA, and now Yatsenyuk is listed there on a par with the former Berlin favorite Klitschko. In any case, A. Merkel invited both Klitschko and A. Yatsenyuk to Berlin.

And yet, despite the shaft of anti-Russian propaganda in the media, in German society there is a request for normal good-neighborly relations with Russia. It is no coincidence that F.-V. For the first time in the past two years, Steinmeier (!) Turned out to be a politician in Germany, more popular than A. Merkel (10). Contrary to anti-Russian propaganda, independent-minded Germans condemn Western pressure on Ukraine. The Internet is collecting signatures for the relevant petition. “This intervention is another step towards unleashing a third world war ... we need peace and friendship with all countries, especially Russia, against which this intervention is directed!” Say those who signed the petition (11).

Guarding historical parallels with the Balkans are caused by the sound of F.-V. Steinmeier comparison of Ukraine with a powder keg. In Germany, it’s much better than in the United States that they pose the whole danger of a powder keg in the center of Europe, and such an assessment itself could serve as a starting point for updating German-Russian relations.

(1) heute.de
(2) Cit. by: "Vorher Herr Bundeskanzler, nachher Herr Schröder". Handelsblatt, 14.02.2014.
(3) "Deutschland kann keine grosse Schweiz sein" / Berner Zeitung, 07.02.2014.
(4) See: zeitschrift-ip.dgap.org. This interview was published in the journal Internationale Politik prior to the appointment of G. Erler to the post in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, therefore, it cannot be considered as the official position of the coordinator. Accordingly, there is no reference to the publication on the ministry’s website.
(5) "Ohne Russland geht es nicht" / Handelsblatt, 12.02.2014.
(6) Ohne Russland geht es nicht / Focus, 27.01.2014.
(7) Donald Rumsfeld speaking to foreign journalists at the State Department, January 2003
(8) Finance Minister V. Schäuble, 2011
(9) George Friedman and Marc Lanthemann. Geopolitical Weekly, February 4, 2014.
(10) According to the ARD-Deutschlandtrend survey, 70% of Germans are satisfied with Steinmeier’s work in his post. It turns out that he exceeded the expectations of his fellow citizens, because in December 2013 was approved by 53% of the respondents.
(11) openpetition.de
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey 18 February 2014 15: 13
    +6
    Just today, he spoke about the lack of authority of Germany and its alliance with Russia.

    Germany is really a big problem for the states. And a key player in Europe, unlike the islanders.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 February 2014 15: 22
      +5
      Quote: vorobey
      Germany is really a big problem for the states


      Hi Sanya.

      As Nezavisimaya Gazeta writes, Steinmeier is undoubtedly much more famous and more competent than his predecessor, but with that it was easier to tell him: “But nobody asked the opinion of gay people” - that's all.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 18 February 2014 15: 31
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        "But nobody asked the opinion of the gay" - that's all.


        Vadim hello. You know, in Russian there is a semi-question semi-affirmation to bring down the ardor of an opponent. You can always ask, no, well, aren't you 3,14? and let him prove the opposite.

        But in general, the positive is visible.
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    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks 18 February 2014 15: 32
      +6
      NATO’s first Secretary General, Lord Ismay, said in 1949 that the goal of the organization (NATO) was to "the Russians stayed away, the Americans were inside, and the Germans were humiliated", and therefore, Germany is constantly built into something. Yes, and with a dark history of gold, as I understand it, the gold reserves of Germany remains in the United States
      1. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 18 February 2014 17: 16
        +3
        And many more people hold mattress toppers for these "gold-currency eggs" in the world. nationalize the ruble and the Central Bank - move mountains !!!
        1. AVV
          AVV 19 February 2014 00: 11
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          Quote: Oleg Chertkov
          And many more people hold mattress toppers for these "gold-currency eggs" in the world. nationalize the ruble and the Central Bank - move mountains !!!

          Gold in many countries of the world was in the states, only the states are not going to return it, the question arises, is it left or the Americans used it at their discretion !!! Here are the Germans on the hook, trying to pick it up, but who will give it to them ???
  2. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 18 February 2014 15: 34
    +6
    The United States has one mania: delusions of grandeur, delusions of persecution, and here's another one - GERMANY. wassat
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 18 February 2014 16: 06
      +5
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      The United States has one mania: delusions of grandeur, delusions of persecution, and here's another one - GERMANY


      Yes, Americans have a lot of mania, but Germany is a real headache.
      Germany is the only European economy that is able to resist the United States, within certain limits, of course. Moreover, the military potential of the Germans is such that, if desired, they are still able to "bend" the whole of Europe. In addition, the Germans have a fairly strong immunity to American propaganda and they do not love their overseas partners too much, this is not even a marriage of convenience, but rather a marriage of a raped woman with a rich old man. Let's say that close relations between Germany and Russia are no less dangerous for the United States than the rapprochement between Russia and China, and maybe more. But and they have more leverage on the Germans.
      I am inclined to the fact that pragmatic Germans, trying not to make sudden movements, will still build up their relationship with us. drinks
      1. Associate Professor
        Associate Professor 18 February 2014 16: 29
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        Quote: Old Rocketman
        But they also have more leverage over the Germans.

        Well yes. The American occupation forces alone in Germany, which are larger than the entire German army, are worth
    2. Horst78
      Horst78 18 February 2014 17: 20
      +1
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      The United States has one mania: delusions of grandeur, delusions of persecution, and here's another one - GERMANY

      Yeah. Germany even after May 9, 1945 for the Anglo-Saxons it’s still a tough nut. It is pinched from all sides. But it seems to me that the Germans have already developed an immunity against fear of the Anglo-Saxons (they ultimately remember that it was not the Anglo-Saxons who liberated them, but our ancestors). I think that Germany will quietly still get out of their control, and with us strengthen friendship against them.
  3. Arhj
    Arhj 18 February 2014 15: 37
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    The Americans are hurt that Berlin is too openly supporting "their" Klitschko, and not Yatsenyuk, whom Victoria Nuland sympathizes with.

    I want to see the day when they will really clean each other's dials and forget about our existence at least for a while. They cannot come to an agreement with each other, but they are actively negotiating with the rest of the "world community" and on behalf of this very "world community".
  4. nikcris
    nikcris 18 February 2014 15: 41
    0
    Normally, Germany is living, although I would have been a bastard, if in Russia dances were quartered, I could have gone to terrorists)))
  5. bomg.77
    bomg.77 18 February 2014 15: 51
    +1
    The only country that can help Germany get rid of the Anglo-Saxon occupation is Russia. The Angles just do not get down from Germany, and after the collapse of the USSR, it began to burden Germany, not childishly. They need an alliance with Russia, as we do with Germany, however this can lead to a third world (!) Britons consider such a union as a threat to its hegemony.
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 18 February 2014 16: 32
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      Quote: bomg.77
      The Britons consider such a union as a threat to their hegemony.

      There is no Briton hegemony. There is American hegemony.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 18 February 2014 16: 35
        +1
        Quote: Docent
        There is no Briton hegemony. There is American hegemony.
        I do not share them hi
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 18 February 2014 17: 17
        +1
        Quote: Docent
        There is no Briton hegemony. There is American hegemony.

        Britain is a canes lousy neck, and wherever the neck turns its head ...
    2. Horst78
      Horst78 18 February 2014 17: 23
      +2
      Quote: bomg.77
      The Britons consider such a union as a threat to their hegemony.

      shaving all consider their enemies. psychological costs of sitting on the island as in a fortress (around enemies). Schizophrenia in general, although it's not for me to judge, I'm not a psychiatrist wassat
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 18 February 2014 17: 33
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        Quote: Horst78
        shaving all consider their enemies.
        This is called paranoia in my opinion, and they are right))) they have made enemies on the debt of the year hi
  6. demotivator
    demotivator 18 February 2014 16: 04
    +1
    The article was called "Something about Germany's incomplete sovereignty"
    It was a sinful thing to think that it would tell us about the so-called "Chancellor - Act". This is where this incomplete sovereignty is clearly visible. But about this - silence. Although its existence since 1949. (!!!) significantly limits the sovereignty of Germany.
    This act is part of a secret state treaty of May 21, 1949, through which the Allies guaranteed themselves, among other things, complete control over the media in the Federal Republic until 2099. The “Chancellor-Act" is a document that every German Federal Chancellor must sign before this day even before taking the oath. This is nothing more than a declaration by the FRG authorities about obligations towards allies - in particular, towards the USA.
    The Federal Republic of Germany is not a sovereign state, and at best it can be designated as a “union” structural component controlled from the United States. The Allies simply squeeze everything out of what is called the Federal Republic of Germany, but in such a way that its population does not notice anything and does not oppose arbitrariness. The sale of German firms abroad, the transfer of state utilities to foreign "investors", the sale of supply lines, the alleged return of artworks stolen by German occupiers, the rejection of German gold reserves, military support for American imperialism - this and much more completely deprives Germany of real sovereignty.
    In fact - it is a territory under the Anglo-Saxon yoke.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 18 February 2014 16: 11
      +1
      Quote: demotivator
      In fact - it is a territory under the Anglo-Saxon yoke


      Alas for them, "woe to the vanquished" - they do not need to lose the war. They still got off easy, again (here's a paradox) thanks to the USSR. drinks
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 18 February 2014 17: 26
        +1
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        Alas for them, "woe to the vanquished" - there is no need to lose wars

        Well, how do you understand this? what would you not lose, where would We be?
  7. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 18 February 2014 16: 10
    +2
    In short, with the gradual strengthening of Russia's position, many in the world have fallen into the position of "sitting between two chairs" and many need to decide, but Ukraine cannot decide at all.
  8. Averias
    Averias 18 February 2014 16: 36
    +1
    You see, he was indignant, you see, they are not happy, and so on and so forth. Yes, all of Europe, with the backstage of the United States, is only busy with the fact that they are outraged. There, the Olympics is an example of this, and they all considered it all, and everything is bad. And themselves, in the same place in Sochi, express enthusiasm turning into apotheosis. Where is the truth brother? This performance, condemning and accusing Russia of all serious things, is already quite tired of it (and not only for me, it is enough to read western forums and blogs). And they all bend their own. Even D. Trump, and he already said in his hearts - ENOUGH SHOWING RUSSIA, ENOUGH. All of these Kerry, McKayon, Hillary, BzUzhinsky - it's time for a fool.
    And Germany (after all, it's about it), the Germans are on their mind, they are cunning besties. They are well aware that they are strong in Europe. And Merkel, not without our submission, went for a second term (subjectively my point of view).
    But they are also tied to the USA, hence the attitude towards us is the same as with China, by the way. Although, the Germans themselves already say where the United States and where Russia? So it’s probably easier with us than with them. And the most interesting thing is that the Germans are increasingly asking the question - what did the USA give Germany, the acre of looting after the war and the bombed by Dresden. They recall that in the GDR the USSR built factories and factories.
    A couple of days ago, I had a conversation with a German (thoroughbred as much as possible, also a businessman above average). So, before the next paragraph, these are his words.
  9. I think so
    I think so 18 February 2014 17: 31
    0
    It would be more correct to call the article "On the complete absence of German sovereignty." And it is understandable, what kind of sovereignty does the occupied country have? The Germans are now not the same oh not the same ... apparently our fathers and grandfathers in the last war abruptly knocked out of this, with the permission to say now to the nation, all the signs of self-respect and pride ... Well, to hell with them, let them lick the owner's ass and stand on their hind legs, so as not to be beaten ...
  10. postman
    postman 18 February 2014 18: 16
    0
    Quote: Averias
    and what the United States gave to Germany, the acre of looting after the war and Dresden bombed to smithereens

    1. US administration plan to maximize Germany's economic weakening while preserving it as an agricultural country (Morgenthau plan) quickly underwent correction, primarily for political reasons.
    September 2, 1946: General Clay ordered on termination repair supplies to the Soviet Union
    3. 1947: US and UK governments decide to establish joint bison economic administrations.the so-called Bison
    4. June 5, 1947. George Cutlett Marshall Plan, (US Secretary of State): assistance to European countries affected by the war in the form of loans, equipment, technology.
    from April 1948 to December 1951 about 12.4 billion dollars, of which the bulk fell to Britain (2.8 billion dollars), France (2.5 billion dollars), Spain (1.3 billion dollars), Western Germany ($ 1.3 billion), Holland ($ 1.0 billion).
    5. At the end of 1949: For a period of only a few weeks, prices fell by 10-30 percent - almost the same throughout the combined English-American zone (the so-called Bison).
    6. General agreement (in Bonn on May 26, 1952) of the Federal Republic of Germany and the three Western occupying powers:
    the occupation regime was liquidated, the German government received great rights in foreign and domestic policy, many restrictions on the development of military industry were abolished, the creation of an army was allowed
    The result of Erhard's reform and Marshall’s plan
    -In the first half of 1950, the volume of German production (Germany) grew monthly by 3-5 percent, setting an absolute record - 114% compared with the figure of 1936, in foreign trade for half a year it was even possible to achieve a doubling of exports, machine building, optics, and electricity production were developing at an accelerated pace. In the same 1950, the card system was canceled in Germany.
    unemployment had a steady downward trend (from 10.3% in 1950 to 1.2% in 1960)
    - By the beginning of the sixties in terms of production and export of Germany was second only to the USA.
    1. postman
      postman 18 February 2014 18: 18
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      Quote: Averias
      They recall that in the GDR the USSR built factories and factories.

      uh huh. "presumably"

      1. The share of surviving industrial enterprises, dismantled and exported to the USSR, amounted to 45% in the Soviet zone (in zones of other winning states she did not reach 10%).
      2.March-April 1947 Moscow Conference of the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the victorious countries:
      Western allies proposed plans economic revival Germany USSR insisted on increasing reparations and nationwide referendum on a unitary or federal structure of Germany
      3.In June 1948 of the USSR blocked land and river routes between West Berlin and West Germany
      4. The course for "building socialism" in the GDR (meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU on July 8, 1952), the mass exodus of East Germans to the West created a serious danger for the existence of the GDR, the death of Stalin on March 5, 1953, and the popular uprising on June 16-17, 1953. , which due to the helplessness of the leadership of the GDR was suppressed by the occupation authorities, the result:

      Soviet Union refused from unpaid part of reparations, reduced the expenses of the GDR for the maintenance of Soviet troops, transferred the ownership of the GDR to Soviet joint-stock enterprises, and the diplomatic missions of the two countries were transformed into embassies
      / “List 216” or “list 235”, According to the German historian Jorg Fisch, the reparations to the Soviet Union from East Germany, including the payment of expenses for the maintenance of the occupying forces, amounted to (again in 1938 prices) 16,3, XNUMX billion dollars

      5. 1961: Ulbricht sought to provide East Germany with Soviet economic assistance. He proposed for 2 years to "unite" the economy of the GDR and the USSRso that the GDR is independent from supplies of raw materials from Germany.
      ===============
      The USSR exported from Germany 2900 industrial enterprises (including rolling mills and blast furnaces), 340 thousand machine tools, three thousand steam boilers, 96 power plants with a total capacity of 4 MW, 200 thousand electric motors, hundreds of thousands of cars with building materials, various household equipment, about four million tons of food products, over two million heads of cattle, a huge number of items of male and female clothes, shoes, furniture, radios, pianos and pianos, wall and table clocks, paper, dishes and much, much more.

      The "stuffing" of the Berlin metro was shipped to the USSR - locomotives, new cars, platforms, electrical equipment and even repair shops. Among the exported items were the Humboldt University Astronomical Observatory, the famous factory of gramophone records, sports equipment (special attention was paid to what was created in Germany for the XI Summer Olympic Games, and to swimming pools).


      Fashionable houses and villas were dismantled into blocks, then collected in the estates of the Moscow dignitaries near Moscow
      1. biglow
        biglow 18 February 2014 19: 20
        +2
        Quote: Postman
        Quote: Averias
        They recall that in the GDR the USSR built factories and factories.

        uh huh. "presumably"

        1. The share of surviving industrial enterprises, dismantled and exported to the USSR, amounted to 45% in the Soviet zone (in zones of other winning states she did not reach 10%).
        2.March-April 1947 Moscow Conference of the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the victorious countries:
        Western allies proposed plans economic revival Germany USSR insisted on increasing reparations and nationwide referendum on a unitary or federal structure of Germany
        3.In June 1948 of the USSR blocked land and river routes between West Berlin and West Germany
        4. The course for "building socialism" in the GDR (meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU on July 8, 1952), the mass exodus of East Germans to the West created a serious danger for the existence of the GDR, the death of Stalin on March 5, 1953, and the popular uprising on June 16-17, 1953. , which due to the helplessness of the leadership of the GDR was suppressed by the occupation authorities, the result:

        Soviet Union refused from unpaid part of reparations, reduced the expenses of the GDR for the maintenance of Soviet troops, transferred the ownership of the GDR to Soviet joint-stock enterprises, and the diplomatic missions of the two countries were transformed into embassies
        / “List 216” or “list 235”, According to the German historian Jorg Fisch, the reparations to the Soviet Union from East Germany, including the payment of expenses for the maintenance of the occupying forces, amounted to (again in 1938 prices) 16,3, XNUMX billion dollars

        5. 1961: Ulbricht sought to provide East Germany with Soviet economic assistance. He proposed for 2 years to "unite" the economy of the GDR and the USSRso that the GDR is independent from supplies of raw materials from Germany.
        ===============
        The USSR exported from Germany 2900 industrial enterprises (including rolling mills and blast furnaces), 340 thousand machine tools, three thousand steam boilers, 96 power plants with a total capacity of 4 MW, 200 thousand electric motors, hundreds of thousands of cars with building materials, various household equipment, about four million tons of food products, over two million heads of cattle, a huge number of items of male and female clothes, shoes, furniture, radios, pianos and pianos, wall and table clocks, paper, dishes and much, much more.

        The "stuffing" of the Berlin metro was shipped to the USSR - locomotives, new cars, platforms, electrical equipment and even repair shops. Among the exported items were the Humboldt University Astronomical Observatory, the famous factory of gramophone records, sports equipment (special attention was paid to what was created in Germany for the XI Summer Olympic Games, and to swimming pools).


        Fashionable houses and villas were dismantled into blocks, then collected in the estates of the Moscow dignitaries near Moscow

        only you do not forget what the Germans left behind on Soviet territory .. and that on American. Stalin was kind, it was necessary to bring all the Germans to the Soviet Union to restore all that was destroyed, and then let them restore everything to themselves ...
        1. postman
          postman 18 February 2014 21: 41
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          Quote: biglow
          only you do not forget that the Germans

          I will never forget that.
          So much information, just to refute the fact that: "The GDR built the USSR, and the FRG torn apart the United States"
          Quote: biglow
          it was necessary to bring all Germans to the Soviet Union for restoration

          At least those who fell into the zone of occupation of the allies (future Germany) winked
    2. alone
      alone 18 February 2014 20: 10
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      Quote: Postman
      By the beginning of the sixties, the USA was second only to the USA in terms of production and export.


      No wonder. The Germans are a working people. And they do everything in quality. German goods are always in demand.
      1. postman
        postman 18 February 2014 21: 53
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        Quote: lonely
        .Germans working people.

        That is yes. They were given 40 new brands each (then they added 20 more)
        Savings exchanged at the rate of 1000: 6,5- SPIN
        ===true pension 1: 1 (unlike us, after the collapse of the USSR)

        Quote: lonely
        .And do everything in quality. German goods are always in demand.

        not always.The history of the brand "Made in Germany":
        The English label Made in Germany arose in 1887 after the British House of Commons passed the trademark law. in order to protect your market from base, German fakes.

        The Germans, like a century later the Chinese, started by copying products of famous brands. And the shelves of European stores were flooded with "French" perfumes of Cologne spill, "English" toys from Thuringia, "Swiss" watches from Württemberg and many other fakes, which although they were not expensive, they quickly failed.
        / The German Empire received Alsace and Lorraine, rich in iron ore, plus 5 billion francs of indemnity, the newly formed (and suddenly easily wealthy) country will or export goods to a foreign market, or get rid of excess labor. And she made a choice in favor of the first path.

        =============== everything repeats ==
        2012: Algirdas Semeta, European Commissioner for Taxation and Customs, said that only those products should carry the legendary marking (Made in Germany) 45% of the value of which is created in Germany. Today, like a hundred years ago, cunning businessmen from Southeast Asia import their goods to the EU in parts, in order to put the desired sign after finishing assembly or finishing - Made in Germany.
  11. morpogr
    morpogr 18 February 2014 18: 24
    +2
    As long as there are Americans in the territory as looking after Germany, there is no need to talk about any sovereignty and freedom of action.
    Today, about 52 thousand American soldiers are deployed in Germany. This is the second largest contingent of US troops outside the country.
  12. Committee
    Committee 18 February 2014 22: 00
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    The five dead are already in Kiev, how much is needed to start restoring order? 50, 500 guys to put?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 18 February 2014 22: 06
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      Quote: Committee
      Five dead are already in Kiev

      Already 9 people.

      Bloody tuesday
      Tuesday evening became the bloodiest in all months of political confrontation in the center of Kiev. At least nine people, according to preliminary data, were killed, including police officers.
      more details http://www.vz.ru/world/2014/2/18/673194.html
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      1. Apollo
        Apollo 18 February 2014 22: 12
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        The police began the assault on the Maidan
        http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/2/18/673203.html

        Protesters set fire to an APC in the center of Kiev, police use a water cannon
        http://www.interfax.ru/world/news/359275
        1. philip
          philip 18 February 2014 22: 47
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          We need some other HONEY.
  13. philip
    philip 18 February 2014 22: 45
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    Help, in Wikipedia you will not read about it. The town of Burlin was organized as a supply base by our compatriot Atila on the way to the town of Paris.
  14. Horn
    Horn 19 February 2014 06: 45
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    Quote: AVV
    Quote: Oleg Chertkov
    And many more people hold mattress toppers for these "gold-currency eggs" in the world. nationalize the ruble and the Central Bank - move mountains !!!

    Gold in many countries of the world was in the states, only the states are not going to return it, the question arises, is it left or the Americans used it at their discretion !!! Here are the Germans on the hook, trying to pick it up, but who will give it to them ???

    - It was always interesting: Where can you "use it at your own discretion"? That amount? Well, it's not the Annuacs, in fact, to give ...
  15. Foxmara
    Foxmara 19 February 2014 08: 07
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    Interestingly, ordinary Germans understand that they need peace, while difficult Germans do not understand. Maybe - it’s easier to be?
  16. wepl
    wepl 27 March 2014 03: 07
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    I think you make a mistake. Email me at PM.

    :) xa :)