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MiGs going to Syria will be used in the implementation of other contracts

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As it became known to Kommersant, gliders created as part of the execution of the Syrian contract for the production of MiG-29М / М2 fighters can be used to assemble similar aircraft for Serbian air forces or MiG-29МТ fighters for the Russian Air Force. The reason for this is both the financial problems of Damascus and the lack of Moscow’s ability to deliver large-scale military products to Syrians without opposition from Western countries. However, the contract will not be broken: Russia expects to deliver fighters to Syria in 2016-2017.


History with the Syrian contract for MiG-29М / М2 fighters began in 2007, when Moscow and Damascus contracted 12 aircraft. Deliveries were to be completed in 2012, however, the civil war that started in the country and the financial difficulties of the customer led to the freezing of the contract. The situation could have changed in June 2013, then Rosoboronexport officials told Kommersant that the delivery of the first six fighters should take place before the end of the year. This, according to their version, would be a response of Russia to the EU’s non-renewal of the embargo on arms supplies to the Syrian opposition. However, to proceed with the implementation of the contract failed. As a result, as reported by Kommersant, the parties adjusted the delivery schedule: nine fighters should be in the ranks of the Syrian Air Force in 2016, and the remaining three in 2017 (see Kommersant of 21 in August 2013).

A high-ranking source close to the military-technical cooperation system told Kommersant that the fate of the 12 MiG-29М / М2 fighters intended for the Syrian Air Force will be finally clarified in the near future. According to him, there are several options for their use. The first one assumes that already assembled gliders will be used to assemble 16 fighters MiG-29CMT, which will be delivered to the Russian Air Force before 2016 (the contract for them is to be concluded between the Ministry of Defense and the MiG corporation by the end of March). The second option involves the use of gliders for the delivery of six MiG-29М / М2 in the interests of the Serbian Air Force.

As a rule, each customer has his own requirements for the configuration of the aircraft and the types of weapons installed on them, but at the stage of creating a airframe - metal construction - the project can be redone in a short time to fit the new requirements. “The time frame gives us room for maneuver in order to use the existing reserve of the Syrian MiGs when building aircraft for the Russian army or other foreign customers,” says the Kommersant source.

According to Kommersant’s information, the option of selling these MiGs to other countries was also considered in 2013, but it was eventually rejected. Against the background of statements by Russian officials about the determination to fulfill obligations under previously concluded Syrian contracts (“We signed contracts, and they must be fulfilled,” said Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov) a leak of this information could cause serious damage to the image of the Russian Federation on the arms market. Yesterday, the Kommersant interlocutor, close to Rosoboronexport, clarified that there would be no agreement to break the agreements reached with Damascus on its own initiative - this will lead to penalties and forfeit.

The chances of fulfilling the “Syrian” contract in the near future are minimal, the interlocutor admits. You can ferry fighters only on ships or on transport aircraft. Both options can not be called reliable, since the sea and air space is monitored by Western countries seeking to prevent the appearance of new military equipment in the Syrian army. For example, in 2013, the dry cargo ship Alaed was carrying three Syrian Mi-25 helicopters repaired in Russia to Syria. After the British Standard Club company deprived the ship of insurance, without which it has no right to enter any ports, Alaed had to return to the port of Kaliningrad with cargo. The interlocutors of “Kommersant” claim that the helicopters eventually arrived at the customer, but we are not talking about a reliable permanent channel. But, even with a political decision, it is almost impossible to deliver the fighters to Damascus now, so the dates were shifted by 2016-2017 years.

“It’s logical to use the existing MiG-29 reserve in fulfilling other contracts, since the delivery of these aircraft to Syria is unlikely in the near future,” says Andrei Frolov, editor-in-chief of Arms Export magazine. “You can try to implement the contract only if the situation stabilizes in the country.”
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  1. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 17 February 2014 11: 49
    +14
    B.ASADU, now any help is needed, especially military. MiGarei is sorry, a good contract would be ...
    1. AVV
      AVV 17 February 2014 14: 17
      +2
      You just need to accompany our Transport aircraft with the SU-30MS mi with missiles on board, the radius allows you to refuel in the air !!! Then Western planes, Turkish, or Israeli would not come close !!! There would be a desire, but you can deliver !! !
      1. and why
        and why 17 February 2014 21: 39
        0
        Perhaps they are now accompanied by "Peter the First".
      2. and why
        and why 17 February 2014 21: 39
        +1
        Perhaps they are now accompanied by "Peter the First".
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 17 February 2014 14: 22
      -2
      Quote: Smiles at you
      MiGarei is sorry, a good contract would be ...

      Than? He would be credit. Yes, it is justified, perhaps, from a geopolitical position, but taking into account the latest budgetary problems (which is just the transfer to the budget of pension contributions for 2014, which will not go into retirement but go to plugging holes).
      And it would be nice if the borrower was reliable in terms of loan repayment. And here...

      There is no financial gain here. Political - yes, maybe.
      1. 31231
        31231 17 February 2014 17: 58
        +5
        And it would be nice if the borrower was reliable in terms of loan repayment. And here...
        There is no financial gain here. Political - yes, maybe.

        Well then ..... Jew ..... and again about gesheftom.

        Yes, yes, because US military assistance is an undoubted profit. laughing Let's tell once again how smart you have developed for the United States.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 17 February 2014 19: 22
          -3
          Quote: 31231
          Well then ..... Jew ..... and again about gesheftom.

          Yes, yes, because US military assistance is an undoubted profit. Let's tell once again how smart you have developed for the United States.


          Troll. And again the troll. And again stupid.
          1. 31231
            31231 17 February 2014 19: 31
            +1
            Troll. And again the troll. And again stupid.


            Nope, the hobbit.
            His hobby is to smile at clever Jews and some Russian prosralist.
      2. Su24
        Su24 17 February 2014 18: 41
        +5
        Quote: Pimply
        Quote: Smiles at you
        MiGarei is sorry, a good contract would be ...

        Than? He would be credit. Yes, it is justified, perhaps, from a geopolitical position, but taking into account the latest budgetary problems (which is just the transfer to the budget of pension contributions for 2014, which will not go into retirement but go to plugging holes).
        And it would be nice if the borrower was reliable in terms of loan repayment. And here...

        There is no financial gain here. Political - yes, maybe.


        Did you buy equipment on credit? Why do you think the seller himself offers loans to the buyer? From altruistic motives?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 17 February 2014 19: 21
          -3
          Quote: Su24
          Did you buy equipment on credit? Why do you think the seller himself offers loans to the buyer? From altruistic motives?

          A loan is issued in order to be repaid. And in this situation, such loans are a gift.
          1. 31231
            31231 17 February 2014 19: 33
            +3
            A loan is issued in order to be repaid. And in this situation, such loans are a gift.

            My God, you say this as the future owner of Syria?

            Urgently need to inform Assad bully that the Jews already say for the future Syrian authorities. laughing
            1. Insectid
              Insectid 17 February 2014 20: 35
              +2
              Quote: 31231
              Jews already speak for future Syrian authorities.

              Although they "hide" it, but, most likely, Assad is aware.
              Quote: 31231
              A loan is issued in order to be repaid. And in this situation, such loans are a gift.

              A Jew is unfamiliar with such a term as "gift", he operates only with the term "credit". And a loan implies a return, and even with interest. Therefore, when you mention the word "gift", a Jew naturally perceives it as an attempt to "troll".
              Quote: 31231
              Hobbies are: over clever Jews

              Cunningly! good And does not contradict the rules of the site.
              And accusations against you will follow, only for the fact that you "dared" to come into conflict with the Jews.
              Assad did the same.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 17 February 2014 22: 15
                -4
                Quote: InsectID
                A Jew is unfamiliar with such a term as "gift", he operates only with the term "credit". And a loan implies a return, and even with interest. Therefore, when you mention the word "gift", a Jew naturally perceives it as an attempt to "troll".

                World politics does not involve gifts. Gifts of the USSR podrazori
                1. SSR
                  SSR 17 February 2014 22: 27
                  0
                  Moneylender loans to what brought?
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 17 February 2014 22: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: SSR
                    Moneylender loans to what brought?

                    Syria alone, for example, has forgiven $ 14 billion in debt and is lending further, with no return options. Do you think this is extra money for Russia, when all pension contributions will not go to the fund this year, but to patch the budget to patch holes in the budget this year?
                    1. SSR
                      SSR 18 February 2014 05: 52
                      +1
                      I will not now talk about how they were expelled from Kiev and how ....... But there are very interesting books about French kings, for example, who, having borrowed money from usurers, then washed their people in blood, of course it is "better" than to forgive someone's debt ...
                      1. PSih2097
                        PSih2097 18 February 2014 20: 39
                        0
                        Quote: SSR
                        I will not now talk about how they were expelled from Kiev and how ....... But there are very interesting books about French kings, for example, who, having borrowed money from usurers, then washed their people in blood, of course it is "better" than to forgive someone's debt ...

                        Are you talking about the tapliers?
                2. Foxmara
                  Foxmara 18 February 2014 06: 12
                  +1
                  Well, why? The USA provides Israel with absolutely free aid every year. With a clear condition - with this money, Israel must buy weapons in the United States.
                3. Magadan
                  Magadan 18 February 2014 06: 29
                  +1
                  Oh, that would be to live again in that "ravaged" country ... I remember we were 16 years old when Metallica flew to Moscow on "Rock on the Barricades". Then we bought our pocket tickets Magadan-Moscow-Magadan and flew to watch Metallica.
                  I WANT BACK TO THE GIFTED USSR !!!!
      3. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 17 February 2014 20: 51
        0
        Tac-toe on a computer does not really cost anything. Although many are ready to pray for them.
      4. Foxmara
        Foxmara 18 February 2014 06: 10
        0
        The benefit here is the simplest. The lives of our soldiers. De facto Syrians are fighting for our world. As long as they hold the defense - we do not have to fight in the Caucasus. Therefore, Iran supports them - the same interest. You can’t measure everything with money. But, by the way, it’s quite possible to calculate our expenses associated with participation in the war. And, something tells me that they will be more than the cost of 12 aircraft.
      5. Magadan
        Magadan 18 February 2014 06: 26
        +2
        What, again talk about how many grandmothers can you feed if you don't spend on the Olympics? Or "Russians don't need to go anywhere, they need to focus on the economy"? Or maybe then "the parade on Red Square should not be held, because it is possible to build a shelter for homeless dogs with this money"?
        Any failure of such a contract is a geopolitical bummer. And geopolitics is incl. real loot (if just pride in the country is not enough for anyone). An example is Iran, to-rykh wants to give 500 thousand barrels of oil to Russia daily in exchange for "consumer goods", while Russia will not only receive real black gold in exchange for the products of its factories, but also raise dough on re-export.
        Do you think Iran needs our goods? Or rather a "roof"?
        Having thus moved down the MIGs, our country again begins to raise doubts about how worthy the geopolitical player is.
        Liberasts, in short, win again
      6. DEfindER
        DEfindER 18 February 2014 10: 00
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        And it would be nice if the borrower was reliable in terms of loan repayment. And here...

        Why is this all of a sudden? The USSR recovered very quickly after the war without taking a single loan in the West, only on the enthusiasm of the people, what makes the Syrian people worse? They would give everything without problems, unless of course the Assad socialist party remained in power ..
      7. SV
        SV 18 February 2014 20: 33
        0
        And contracts for exclusive rights for exploration and production of oil / gas, as well as participation in their transit? According to media reports, they were signed at the end of last year ...
    3. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 17 February 2014 16: 08
      +14
      It's strange, there is no way to deliver that the Washington regional committee intervened back, and what the hell is a squadron in the Mediterranean for, idle chatter, they loaded onto a dry cargo ship and put two missile boats next to each other, that's all, hardly any American clown or Europend- nd decide to attack, realizing that this is already a war. The 2008 conflict showed how such ships can be effectively used.
      1. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 17 February 2014 22: 34
        +3
        Deliver BDK.
    4. Artyom
      Artyom 17 February 2014 20: 38
      +3
      Assad needs not MiGs, but Su 25, but better "bumblebees" to work in the basements, you look and things will go more fun!
    5. SSR
      SSR 17 February 2014 22: 24
      +2
      Quote: Smiles to You
      B.ASADU, now any help is needed, especially military. MiGarei is sorry, a good contract would be ...

      If there was at least an advance payment from the Syrian government, then instead of MiGs, taking into account the complex situation, it was necessary to provide several "Night hunters" namely night hunters and use them only at night, when the buzzards are not so hiding.
  2. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 17 February 2014 11: 50
    +26
    IMHO, there is now not a MIG-and, but "Terminator" -y are needed.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 17 February 2014 11: 56
      +18
      The royalists MiG-29 work a little because they do not have their profile, mostly they are at the bases. These on the earth are more advanced, but still, most likely, they would have stood at the base.

      Bashar does not need terminators, but Su-25.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 17 February 2014 13: 05
        +10
        Quote: donavi49
        Bashar does not need terminators, but Su-25.

        It seems to me that it is enough for him to establish intelligence and planning. Well, and the available weapons must be used. But the main thing is intelligence, which will anticipate the actions of the enemy.
      2. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 17 February 2014 13: 32
        +10
        Quote: donavi49
        The royalists MiG-29 work a little because they do not have their profile, mostly they are at the bases. These on the earth are more advanced, but still, most likely, they would have stood at the base.

        Bashar does not need terminators, but Su-25.

        I could be wrong, of course, since I don't follow all the details of military operations. But the constant clashes in cities and suburbs are heard. Where are the stormtroopers there, to fire in blocks / squares? And something like the "Terminator" would be very helpful to clean up the neighborhoods.
        That's when they knock them out of the cities and the militants move to the highlands, then it would be nice to work on them with attack aircraft and turntables.

        ...
        And of course, as they have already said here, intelligence is needed in the first place there. From the military to the undercover.
      3. VAF
        VAF 17 February 2014 14: 20
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        The Royal MiG-29s work a little because they are not their profile, they are mainly located at the bases


        They work all the time, just you ... do not know wassat



      4. 31231
        31231 17 February 2014 18: 01
        +2
        Bashar does not need terminators, but Su-25.


        Maybe he is about this terminator?
        1. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 17 February 2014 22: 40
          0
          It’s quite a formidable car. There’s still landing on board.
      5. SSR
        SSR 17 February 2014 22: 30
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        The royalists of the MiGi-29 work a little because their profile is not,

        Bashar does not need terminators, but Su-25.

        Guys, "Night Hunters" and only at night when the rats crawl out of their holes. Here they are needed instead of moments.
    2. RBLip
      RBLip 17 February 2014 11: 57
      +11
      Quote: Al_lexx
      IMHO, there is now not a MIG-and, but "Terminator" -y are needed.

      hi good afternoon, Alexey. once again you are a plus. I will add, and "Pinocchio".
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 17 February 2014 13: 25
        +5
        Quote: RBLip
        Quote: Al_lexx
        IMHO, there is now not a MIG-and, but "Terminator" -y are needed.

        hi good afternoon, Alexey. once again you are a plus. I will add, and "Pinocchio".

        And you are kind, namesake. hi
        Thank you.
        Yes, probably, a good flamethrower installation would not hurt. Contagious, she is. it must be red-hot, so that the survivors flow through the Poles. smile
        Moreover, there is clearly no need for particularly long-range weapons.
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 17 February 2014 14: 16
          +4
          Quote: Al_lexx
          Moreover, there is clearly no need for particularly long-range weapons.

          again I completely agree. Generally speaking, Syria does not need weapons ... it needs political support in the fight against "mattresses" and their slips. as soon as the loot stops trickling, the whole asshole will creep in all directions at once ... but it would not hurt to skate the "terminator" with "Buratina" in the field.
        2. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 17 February 2014 22: 47
          0
          Of course Pinocchio is needed, but there are also civilians, something like that.
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 17 February 2014 17: 03
        +5
        Quote: RBLip
        Quote: Al_lexx
        IMHO, there is now not a MIG-and, but "Terminator" -y are needed.

        hi good afternoon, Alexey. once again you are a plus. I will add, and "Pinocchio".

        Here "Buratins" are definitely not needed there, they need precise weapons, the use of which entails minimal collateral damage, they are already bombing the neighborhoods captured by the bearded "by eye" and civilians are dying along with the bearded, will die 3000-4000 civilians at once, Putin will not smear Assad anymore - this can negate the peacekeeping image of Russia, into the formation of which a lot of diplomatic forces and resources have been poured.

        That's how it looks.



        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 17 February 2014 17: 55
          +7
          The Syrian army fights as best they can, and it is not the children who resist them, the Islamists from all over the world, including and our unfinished fighters.


          Here's an example of the “Yarmouk Martyrs” brigade: T-55AMB, BMP, BREM, a lot of artillery on new trucks.
          But Syria did not buy Yugoslavian weapons at all, where did they get it from the Basmachi? The fact that the majority of the party is made up of Yugoslavian 82-mm recoilless gun М60 and 90-mm М79 "Osa" grenade launchers with shots, which are rare outside the Balkans. (besides them, the video also shows several RPG-22 and Milkor MGL-1). Considering that the RPG-22 and Milkor MGL-1 may also be of Balkan origin (RPG-22s are produced in Bulgaria, and a copy of the MGL-1 is produced by the Croats), it seems that someone (I wonder who?) Bought a large batch in the Balkans weapons for Syrian militants and ship it to the Basmachs.


          Croatian 128-mm MLRS RAK-12 for militants


          Chinese MANPADS FN-6 and ATGM HJ-8, presumably from Sudan
        2. 31231
          31231 17 February 2014 18: 26
          +2
          According to the first and second videos: Where are the civilians there? This is the one that is filming and shouting "Allah akbar" on the camera? Although, yes, I forgot. For the Jews, "If Assad's enemy, then the civilian population." And they bomb it for nothing.
          In both videos, damage to buildings is clearly visible. This is just the beginning of the fighting in Daraya. Sukane Mosque is already in the marks of war.

          In the third video: where the helicopter is or is clearly smaller than the bombs from the first two videos. Where is the bomb stabilizer?
          You, like the Professor, publish boxes supposedly from under the Cornets. Or a Bumpy video of the Shabih's "atrocities". At the same time, there are no shabihas in the frame, there are only atrocities.
          Why am I not saying that a rocket from the Jews flew into the 3 video ?! Because you have to be an adult and filter what is poured onto a yutrup.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 17 February 2014 20: 57
            0
            Quote: 31231
            According to the first and second videos: Where are the civilians there? This is the one that is filming and shouting "Allah akbar" on the camera? Although, yes, I forgot. For the Jews, "If Assad's enemy, then the civilian population." And they bomb it for nothing.
            In both videos, damage to buildings is clearly visible. This is just the beginning of the fighting in Daraya. Sukane Mosque is already in the marks of war.

            In the third video: where the helicopter is or is clearly smaller than the bombs from the first two videos. Where is the bomb stabilizer?
            You, like the Professor, publish boxes supposedly from under the Cornets. Or a Bumpy video of the Shabih's "atrocities". At the same time, there are no shabihas in the frame, there are only atrocities.
            Why am I not saying that a rocket from the Jews flew into the 3 video ?! Because you have to be an adult and filter what is poured onto a yutrup.


            Now listen here. am Once again, carefully and objectively re-read my commentary, delve into my point of view and the position from which my commentary was written, and try not to look at the flags that make your eyes so dirty. am If you are on the forum to communicate - communicate in a human way, but trolling with me does not channel, there is one more nationally vysyor on your part - I have a lot of blacklisted places. am
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 17 February 2014 23: 31
            +2
            Quote: 31231
            but smaller than the bombs from the first two videos. Where is the bomb stabilizer?
            You, like the Professor, publish boxes supposedly from under the Cornets. Or a Bumpy video of the Shabih's "atrocities". At the same time, there are no shabihas in the frame, there are only atrocities.

            broken barrel bomb
        3. 31231
          31231 17 February 2014 19: 26
          0
          Here I reviewed a bunch of videos, but for some reason I did not see the planes. And bombs too. Moreover, the last video is strange, it feels like an alakhakbarovets was waiting for an explosion, although I did not see a bomb coming up. I also did not see more than one shot of the stabilizer from the bombs.

          http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=454_1392618821
        4. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 17 February 2014 19: 59
          +1
          Quote: And Us Rat
          That's how it looks.

          What was that?
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 17 February 2014 20: 50
            +3
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Quote: And Us Rat
            That's how it looks.

            What was that?

            From the plane - FABs basically, if they had, if they had, then it was long over.
            But from a helicopter fellow!!! - BARBOM BOMB, a Syrian invention, a 200-liter iron industrial barrel is taken, home-made stabilizers are welded to welding machines, 2 centners of explosives are stuffed into this structure, a simple inertial fuse is put, and then this canoe is pushed out with hands and feet, on the move, out of the helicopter door "where will Allah send" ... fellow
      3. 31231
        31231 17 February 2014 18: 05
        +3
        add, and "Pinocchio".


        Are you kidding me?! The pimply toad will immediately strangle. Well this is money
        pension budget for 2014 - 2020
        1. Rblipetsk
          Rblipetsk 17 February 2014 22: 40
          0
          Quote: 31231
          Are you kidding me?!

          no. let pimply with his relatives understand. lol and the terminator and pinocchio in the field must be checked, it is necessary ...
          1. alone
            alone 17 February 2014 23: 08
            +5
            Quote: RBLipetsk
            not. let pimply with his relatives understand. and the terminator and pinocchio in the field must be checked, it is necessary ...


            Oh yes. You need a real combat training ground for weapons testing. And why are you better than the Americans? Have you even thought about those peaceful people who remained in their homes?
            Or do you give a damn about them, as well as the Americans?
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 18 February 2014 03: 02
              +2
              Quote: lonely
              Quote: RBLipetsk
              not. let pimply with his relatives understand. and the terminator and pinocchio in the field must be checked, it is necessary ...


              Oh yes. You need a real combat training ground for weapons testing. And why are you better than the Americans? Have you even thought about those peaceful people who remained in their homes?
              Or do you give a damn about them, as well as the Americans?


              That's exactly the same thought good
              Blurring without thinking, kitchen commanders. fool
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 17 February 2014 23: 29
          +2
          Quote: 31231
          Are you kidding me?! The pimply toad will immediately strangle. Well this is money

          Well, are these my retirement contributions? Or you do not pay taxes and you do not care?
      4. alone
        alone 17 February 2014 23: 02
        +2
        Where there are street fights. And the positions are a layer cake. They don’t bullets with potatoes. You can still fry your own.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 18 February 2014 00: 07
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          .can still be fried.
          Hello, I saw this video of the death of Mr. "In short"))) Seyfully
          The President of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov immediately posted on Instagram a photo of Seyfullah's corpse with the following caption: “Today, during an attempt to rob civilians in Syrian Aleppo, the Wahhabist shaitan Ruslan Machalikashvili (Sayfulla) blew up and found his end. account of which the murder of innocent people, robberies, desecration of Islamic shrines. Machalikashvili on the Internet was interested in where the Kadyrov special forces, asked to be sent. The bandits did not know that the Kadyrov special forces can be on every piece of land, ready to explode under the feet of the shaitans no matter where they were. The call of the shaitan was apparently heard and death overtook the bandit, who was hastily buried, instead of burying! What he deserved, he got it. "
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 18 February 2014 03: 10
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            Today, while attempting another robbery of civilians in Syrian Aleppo, the Wahhabist shaitan Ruslan Machalikashvili blew up and found his end

            There he is dear am Too bad not from my hand am Although our sergeant hammered into our heads - "respect human life, even the one that you have to take away", but in the case of bearded thugs, I can't! A dog's death! am
      5. smersh70
        smersh70 17 February 2014 23: 39
        0
        Quote: RBLip
        add, and "Pinocchio".
        but no matter how many weapons are sent to him, it’s all the same either destroyed or gets as a trophy to bearded men. Here’s a video of a tank battalion ...
        but the export of equipment
  3. Vedmed_23
    Vedmed_23 17 February 2014 11: 52
    +22
    If you wanted to, not only the planes were delivered, but also any type of weapons, not a single striped deer would climb to inspect the Russian ships as part of a convoy.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 17 February 2014 12: 03
      +8
      True, you can load, assemble the convoy and transport. And no one will inspect. It is truth too. But, there will be just a symmetrical response. For example, in response to this supply, they will also openly send Stinger fighters; in Eastern Europe, many more Os, Strel can be found. Well, so as not to get up twice, they’ll triple-quadruple help for other types of weapons (anti-tank systems, mortars, sniper systems, thermal imagers, armor protection, etc.).

      As a result, they will have a clean face - for they did not break the gentlemen’s agreement on large-scale arms deliveries and could sharply push the thicket of scales in favor of the Opps they needed.
      1. kris
        kris 17 February 2014 12: 14
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        For example, in response to this supply, they will also openly send Stinger fighters

        quote:
        Saudi Arabia, disappointed with the failure of the second round of Geneva-2 negotiations on the Syrian issue, proposed equipping the rebels with anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles, Russia accused the US of another institution in a deadlock for peace talks, as Washington continues to insist on a change in the Assad regime, globalsecurity.org reports. 15 February.

        According to an article published in the American edition of the Wall Street Journal, warehouses in Jordan and Turkey are ready to ship the “captured” Russian anti-tank systems and Chinese-made MANPADS. An Arab diplomat and several representatives of the Syrian opposition said that these weapons could tip the balance on the battlefield, as rebels would be able to destroy planes and armored vehicles of the Syrian Air Force and army. As expected, new weapons will arrive in southern Syria from Jordan, in the north of the country the opposition will receive weapons from Turkey.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 17 February 2014 12: 29
          +4
          AND? Of course, deliveries are underway, Russia is also supplying, shot below the Tornadoes. But this goes within the framework of the gentlemen’s agreement, on the embargo on large deliveries and new equipment. MiGs and planes in general are a red rag that unties the hands of the other side.

          In other words, let's say now deliveries are hundreds of sets per week, according to complex schemes. After the break, deliveries will go solid caravan, without restrictions on types and types. How to fend off say the supply of 5-8k ATGM of all generations (and is it really possible to collect for 1-1,5 months NATO forces from under decommissioning)? 12 MiGs?
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 18 February 2014 10: 25
          0
          Quote: kris
          in warehouses in Jordan and Turkey, the captured Russian ATGMs and Chinese MANPADS are already ready for shipment.

          I never understood why the heck we built a plant for the production of anti-tank systems in Jordan if they go under the states there .. The result is obvious, we built a factory for militants ..
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 18 February 2014 17: 25
            +1
            Quote: DEfindER
            Quote: kris
            in warehouses in Jordan and Turkey, the captured Russian ATGMs and Chinese MANPADS are already ready for shipment.

            I never understood why the heck we built a plant for the production of anti-tank systems in Jordan if they go under the states there .. The result is obvious, we built a factory for militants ..

            Not everything in this world is divided into black and white, in political games and intrigues - the devil himself will break his leg, everything is multifaceted, often excessive.
      2. rolik2
        rolik2 17 February 2014 13: 24
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        True, you can load, assemble the convoy and transport. And no one will inspect. It is truth too.


        If you wanted to, not only the planes were delivered, but also any type of weapons, not a single striped deer would climb to inspect the Russian ships as part of a convoy.


        And what will prevent them from destroying them after acceptance at the airfields in Syria? What did Israel do in turn, having destroyed several depots with missiles?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 17 February 2014 13: 27
          +2
          Nothing, that’s the point. Deliveries of all sorts of sensitive weapons will not only not help the royalists, but rather do harm, because they will not have time to use it, and the press of the world community will put pressure seriously.

          Spare parts, miscellaneous small arms, ammunition and even some single types of weapons pass.
      3. SSR
        SSR 17 February 2014 22: 51
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        True, you can load, assemble the convoy and transport. And no one will inspect. It is truth too. But, there will be just a symmetrical response. For example, in response to this supply, they will also openly send Stinger fighters; in Eastern Europe, many more Os, Strel can be found. Well, so as not to get up twice, they’ll triple-quadruple help for other types of weapons (anti-tank systems, mortars, sniper systems, thermal imagers, armor protection, etc.).

        As a result, they will have a clean face - for they did not break the gentlemen’s agreement on large-scale arms deliveries and could sharply push the thicket of scales in favor of the Opps they needed.

        Sorry, please I wanted to break your post in parts but could not. When were the Americans shy about supplying weapons? They deliver everything through third handles. And yes, the second point, a lot of wasps and stingers, so far you have taken from the category of fiction, the same Israel and the Jews will be against it because they do not control all bearded men. Something like Komrad, they do not want to bring down their ship, at least in Turkey.
  4. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 17 February 2014 11: 56
    +18
    The MiG-29, with all due respect to this wonderful machine, is still a front-line fighter intended for conducting air combat, and not for delivering strikes against ground targets ...
    Nevertheless, assistance is being provided to Assad and what is needed in the first place is supplied. So last week the secret of long boxes was revealed that were loaded last summer in a large landing ship at the Novorossiysk fleet base, as part of the "Syrian express".


    By the way, these photos have already been discussed on the site and then they came to the conclusion that it was either the Yakhont anti-ship missile system or the blades of helicopters, but it turned out to be quite different ...

    Rocket 9M55K of the "Smerch" system, allegedly fired by the Syrian government forces at the positions of the rebels in the area of ​​the settlement. Kafr Zita, Hama province, 12 February 2014

    Unexploded submunition 9Н235 (used in missiles 9М27К1 and 9М55К), found in the vicinity of Kafr Zita.
    Well, since the missiles have to be launched from something, and earlier BM-30 "Smerch" launchers were not supplied to Syria, it seems that 9A52 launchers were also delivered.
    As the saying goes, "Syrian Express" in action. Hello Al Qaeda !!! good
    This photo was also discussed on the site:

    Syrian Air Force bomber Su-24MK b / n 3506, undergoing repairs with modernization at the 514th ARZ (Rzhev).
  5. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 17 February 2014 11: 59
    +16
    I would look at the one who tried to ban the transportation of weapons from the USSR. All the same, no one in the West believes in white and fluffy Russia, so why then cheek up. To be respected, you have to be strong, strong and decisive when politicians only know that they are looking back at the West, what they will say or think, nobody will respect Russia.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 17 February 2014 14: 30
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      I would look at the one who tried to ban the transportation of weapons from the USSR. All the same, no one in the West believes in white and fluffy Russia, so why then cheek up. To be respected, you have to be strong, strong and decisive when politicians only know that they are looking back at the West, what they will say or think, nobody will respect Russia.


      Caribbean crisis remember? So the USSR was more than cautious in such matters.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 17 February 2014 18: 33
        +9
        Quote: Pimply
        Caribbean crisis remember? So the USSR was more than cautious in such matters.


        The fact of the matter is that the USSR was not afraid to bring the world to this crisis, after which both parties made concessions. And in matters of the supply of weapons ... Delivered where necessary and how much ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 17 February 2014 19: 23
          0
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          The fact of the matter is that the USSR was not afraid to bring the world to this crisis, after which both parties made concessions. And in matters of the supply of weapons ... Delivered where necessary and how much ...

          Do you want to live in a nuclear winter? I'm not very
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 17 February 2014 19: 27
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            The fact of the matter is that the USSR was not afraid to bring the world to this crisis, after which both parties made concessions. And in matters of the supply of weapons ... Delivered where necessary and how much ...

            Do you want to live in a nuclear winter? I'm not very

            Do you think someone will ask you? or maybe it will be easier for you if they beat you from the M-16?
          2. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 17 February 2014 19: 41
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            Do you want to live in a nuclear winter? I'm not very


            That's just the point, if you do not defend their interests in a tough (and they do not understand another) form, the chance of getting a "nuclear winter" is much more likely ...
          3. Insectid
            Insectid 17 February 2014 20: 52
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            Do you want to live in a nuclear winter? I'm not very

            And someone is already driving Pimple from Moscow to the Syrian-Israeli border? Moscow is the last place on the planet where this "winter" will come. This also applies to Washington. Therefore, "pimply" and concentrate in such places.
          4. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 17 February 2014 21: 57
            -2
            Quote: Pimply
            Do you want to live in a nuclear winter? I'm not very

            Kennedy didn’t want to either. But Khrushchev didn’t seem to care
      2. 31231
        31231 17 February 2014 18: 52
        +1
        Caribbean crisis remember? So the USSR was more than cautious in such matters.

        Bgg. But you can see about Vietnam and Korea forgot.
        "I remember here, but I don't remember here" (tse)
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 17 February 2014 19: 44
          +3
          Quote: 31231
          Caribbean crisis remember? So the USSR was more than cautious in such matters.

          Bgg. But you can see about Vietnam and Korea forgot.
          "I remember here, but I don't remember here" (tse)


          Yes, and the Caribbean crisis, we were not the loser. Rather, the opposite ... it was a pure bluff on our part ..
  6. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 17 February 2014 12: 01
    +1
    Quote: Vedmed_23
    If you wanted to, not only the planes were delivered, but also any type of weapons, not a single striped deer would climb to inspect the Russian ships as part of a convoy.

    They will not search, BUT, after unloading at the port, this very weapon is turned into scrap metal by Israeli aircraft ...
  7. kris
    kris 17 February 2014 12: 02
    0
    The reason for this is both the financial problems of Damascus and the lack of Moscow's ability to deliver large-sized military products to the Syrians without opposition from Western countries.
    But what about the tales of the idiots about the great support to the sun-faced Syria?
    Everything rested on the loot? Or was it forbidden to sell from Israel? Then it’s just a business and people don’t have to hang on their ears about supporting Syria!
    Both BDK and An-124 calmly resolve the issue of delivery. Another vrvnye Kremlin liberalists!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 17 February 2014 12: 11
      +15
      The MiG does not climb into the BDK, here’s the trouble of the 5,6 MiG without wings and tail wide, but the BDK’s deck is only 4,5x4,5 meters. That is, it is necessary to disassemble the case into kit boxes, which makes the MiG value for Syria zero. For the year back must be collected, it is not a fact that they can.

      An-124 will not fly, see the map. Bulgarians, Greeks, Balkans and Turks will close the air.

      Ah, and most importantly, MiG Assad is not particularly needed, he has his own car, but they are standing at the bases, because it’s not their profile to target the Babakhs. If to deliver that Su-25.
      1. Sars
        Sars 17 February 2014 12: 39
        +1
        In the Russo-Japanese War, the government calmly confiscated (leased) any necessary Russian cargo ship, mounted artillery guns on it, raised the Andreevsky flag, and received a super-BDK. What is not a recipe for supplying Syria.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 17 February 2014 14: 31
          +2
          Quote: SarS
          In the Russo-Japanese War, the government calmly confiscated (leased) any necessary Russian cargo ship, mounted artillery guns on it, raised the Andreevsky flag, and received a super-BDK. What is not a recipe for supplying Syria.


          Now not Russian-Japanese
      2. Sars
        Sars 17 February 2014 12: 39
        0
        In the Russo-Japanese War, the government calmly confiscated (leased) any necessary Russian cargo ship, mounted artillery guns on it, raised the Andreevsky flag, and received a super-BDK. What is not a recipe for supplying Syria.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 17 February 2014 12: 54
          +5
          And you can wait for the Mistral - which itself can act as a plane transport wink . Pieces of 6 MiG - 2 flight and quietly the entire contract will fit into the Hangar.

          The essence of the operation is that they carry ships of the Russian Navy that do not fall under any sanctions and economic impact. The freight of another Alaid is another matter. Firstly, do not conceal the cargo nomenclature. Secondly, a company may fall under a wide range of sanctions and other influences. That is, for risks, prohibitive for a modern business structure.

          Confiscation of ships - this is a military measure, in peacetime to use Moveton and very large losses in the economy.
      3. rolik
        rolik 17 February 2014 12: 41
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        An-124 will not fly, see the map. Bulgarians, Greeks, Balkans and Turks will close the air.

        It is possible through Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Iraq.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 17 February 2014 12: 46
          +2
          Iraq - if it misses only 1 flight. The Americans will push further. They have already been promised the Apaches, and they are providing all kinds of assistance in crushing the Sunni insurgency. At the same time, there was already a scandal with the passage of Iranian sides with equipment for Syria - after which Iraq closed the corridors. Therefore, it is doubtful.
          1. rolik
            rolik 17 February 2014 12: 55
            +2
            Quote: donavi49
            Iraq - if it misses only 1 flight. The Americans will push further.

            From the end of December, a general uprising began in the country. Every day in the reports of the Iraqi Resistance: many tanks and armored vehicles are blown up and burned daily, whole columns are destroyed. This was not the case during the American occupation, in particular due to the fact that American aviation was working at that time. Almost the entire west of the country came under the control of the Iraqi Resistance. Big fights in Mosul, in the north. Same thing in Baghdad. The same is in the south. The army of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki does not want to fight and begins to scatter in the thousands. But the Western and Russian media say almost nothing about this.
            The main rebels are former supporters of Saddam, and not Al Qaeda. The Resistance news bulletins emphasize: there is an uprising against Iranian lackeys, and let such formulations not surprise readers.
            Based on materials from APN North-West
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 17 February 2014 13: 33
              +2
              Serious exaggeration.

              For losses:
              1 T-72 at IED in Ramadi upon departure
              5-7 M-113, part of the VCA, part of the broken abandoned when leaving Ramadi
              up to 100 Hamvi of all modifications

              There is a lull there - the army team is tightly blocking the triangle, the Sunnis are trying to occupy the front lines and are being infiltrated by small groups in Mosul, Baghdad - where they are quickly liquidated (but as when they took the prison, they shot from the mortars at the airport, in Mosul they managed to reach the center and etc. - but it’s precisely sabotage-partisan actions).

              Also, the conflict has already gained maximum rigidity, because ISOF and CSKA on the triangle 100% Shiites. In general, the prisoners are not particularly favored by both parties and quickly deal with them on the spot.

              You can look at the same liveleak.com by Al Anbar, Fallujah, Iraq.
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 18 February 2014 03: 42
              +1
              Quote: rolik
              Quote: donavi49
              Iraq - if it misses only 1 flight. The Americans will push further.

              From the end of December, a general uprising began in the country. Every day in the reports of the Iraqi Resistance: many tanks and armored vehicles are blown up and burned daily, whole columns are destroyed. This was not the case during the American occupation, in particular due to the fact that American aviation was working at that time. Almost the entire west of the country came under the control of the Iraqi Resistance. Big fights in Mosul, in the north. Same thing in Baghdad. The same is in the south. The army of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki does not want to fight and begins to scatter in the thousands. But the Western and Russian media say almost nothing about this.
              The main rebels are former supporters of Saddam, and not Al Qaeda. The Resistance news bulletins emphasize: there is an uprising against Iranian lackeys, and let such formulations not surprise readers.
              Based on materials from APN North-West


              This was to be expected, the confrontation between Iran and the Saudis goes into the active phase, it’s not easy Saudis are arming themselves so hastily if they are not separated as soon as possible (which will cost a lot of blood), sooner or later they will mate openly (which will cost a lot more blood ) And taking into account the irreconcilable religious component, we can expect that religious fanatics who exalt the death of a martyr will be massively involved on both sides - the meat grinder can begin worse than World War II, and God forbid, someone of them get nuclear weapons, they will pollute the entire region with radiation without blinking the eye. Not without reason, even a very Islamized Pakistan disowns rumors of nuclear cooperation from either side - they understand, knowing their co-religionists more than anyone, than any provocation could result.
      4. igor67
        igor67 17 February 2014 12: 55
        +6
        Quote: donavi49
        The MiG does not climb into the BDK, here’s the trouble of the 5,6 MiG without wings and tail wide, but the BDK’s deck is only 4,5x4,5 meters. That is, it is necessary to disassemble the case into kit boxes, which makes the MiG value for Syria zero. For the year back must be collected, it is not a fact that they can.

        An-124 will not fly, see the map. Bulgarians, Greeks, Balkans and Turks will close the air.

        Ah, and most importantly, MiG Assad is not particularly needed, he has his own car, but they are standing at the bases, because it’s not their profile to target the Babakhs. If to deliver that Su-25.

        Well, at the expense of a year, it’s you too much, before, however, turntables, 24 ki went to the same Syria disassembled, the tail boom, “wings”, blades were disconnected, a team of workers rides with machines, they quickly assemble and work out the car, and since they sent many cars, it took a maximum of three months, with planes the same picture,
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 17 February 2014 13: 08
          +2
          To disassemble the hull and the center section, which is only assembled in an aircraft building plant and remove the blades, the tail boom, which is set according to the standard of technology in the conditions of an airfield workshop, are two different things.

          The MiG has a non-separable center section with an 5,6 dimension.
      5. VAF
        VAF 17 February 2014 13: 46
        +17
        Quote: donavi49
        The MiG doesn’t climb into the BDK, here’s the trouble of 5,6m MiG without wings and tail wide,


        This is where you get this "crap" belay And yet with such aplomb and .. "knowledge" you say ???? wassat

        RECORD - 3 meters ... 9 centimeters soldier



        And there is nothing to do with keels. belay Or maybe you are not in the know. what they. keels. like stabilizers .. undock lol

        1. VAF
          VAF 17 February 2014 13: 51
          +5
          Quote: vaf
          Or maybe you are not in the know. what they. keels. like stabilizers .. undock


          hi

        2. housekeeper
          housekeeper 17 February 2014 14: 02
          +11
          Well, "the lieutenant came and vulgarized everything" laughing hi And the man believed in what he wrote ... crying
          1. VAF
            VAF 17 February 2014 14: 10
            +8
            Quote: little house
            , "the lieutenant came and vulgarized everything"


            well, what remains to do wassat it is clear that a person is "brought up only for done" lol and so "I do not touch" him. No. try to pass by sad ..but here stop

            Quote: little house
            And the man believed in what he wrote.


            Well before you write something. you must at least be familiar with the "entim business" wink otherwise it will always be so wassat

            1. Pimply
              Pimply 17 February 2014 14: 33
              +3
              Bravo, Seryozha
            2. housekeeper
              housekeeper 17 February 2014 18: 56
              +1
              Well before you write something. you must at least be familiar with the "entim business"
              Yes, in this case, it’s enough to at least see live the 29th. I myself don’t know the exact dimensions, but I’m sure that there are 4 meters there. hi
            3. aviator65
              aviator65 17 February 2014 20: 54
              +3
              Yes, of course, complete crap. At one time, finished products were exported from Znamya Truda in two trailers, to Zhukovsky and Lukhovitsy, in special shipping containers. Further - unpacking, docking of the wings, tail, and into the sky. Yes, it is slightly oversized, but with escort through the floor of Moscow and the region on ordinary roads, it's easy. True, they tried to hold such events at night, but this is mostly for reasons of secrecy. So the MiG fits into the Ruslan, and even more so on the steamer.
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        4. atalef
          atalef 17 February 2014 14: 16
          +6
          Quote: vaf
          RECORD - 3 meters ... 9 centimeters

          Hello, Sergey.
          It’s absolutely clear that they don’t supply it for one reason - and so the bucks swelled into Syria, and now also put the MIGs (which they do not really need at the moment), and it is not known how the map will fall in Syria. So you will remain without money and without instants. Therefore, they supply what is needed for war. and high-tech, no. And they won’t.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 17 February 2014 14: 34
            +1
            According to a number of estimates, Syria delivers petroleum products alone on a monthly basis on credit
            1. ed65b
              ed65b 17 February 2014 14: 37
              +2
              Quote: Pimply
              According to a number of estimates, Syria delivers petroleum products alone on a monthly basis on credit

              Well, how can you fight without fuel? Zdorovenki Bula, Eugene hi
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 17 February 2014 15: 10
                +2
                Quote: ed65b
                Well, how can you fight without fuel? Zdorovenki Bula, Eugene

                Good afternoon. I’m not looking for financial benefits here 8)
                1. ed65b
                  ed65b 17 February 2014 15: 12
                  +3
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Quote: ed65b
                  Well, how can you fight without fuel? Zdorovenki Bula, Eugene

                  Good afternoon. I’m not looking for financial benefits here 8)

                  What are the benefits ??? Purely political movers. And nothing more.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 17 February 2014 15: 32
                    -2
                    Quote: ed65b
                    What are the benefits ??? Purely political movers. And nothing more.

                    Here I am about the same. It's just that people are squealing about this topic.
            2. Roman 1977
              Roman 1977 17 February 2014 15: 24
              +2
              The Iranian Export Development Bank in 2013 provided a credit line of 1 billion euros (1,3 billion dollars) for the Trade Bank of Syria so that Syrian importers could purchase Iranian goods. In addition, the Iranian side agreed to supply energy equipment for another 50 million euros for the construction of a new power station on the Syrian coast with a capacity of 650 MW, etc. Just last year, Iran provided Syria financial assistance in the amount of 5.8 billion dollars.
              Iran agreed to put Damnasca oil on 3,6 billion dollars in credit, in exchange for the right to invest in a country destroyed by the war, Al-Jazeera reports with reference to the Syrian state news agency SANA.
              "An agreement to provide Syria with a credit line worth 3,6 billion dollars was signed on Monday in Tehran by Iranian and Syrian Central Banks," the agency said. The transaction provides that Syria will return the cost of an oil loan "through various types of Iranian investments in Syria." At the same time, people close to the deal could not clarify what specific investments could be discussed.

              http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1222089/

              However, the turn came to the MiG-29. Syrian MiG-29 over fighter-held area of ​​East Ghouta in Damascus province.

              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 17 February 2014 18: 27
                -1
                I am completely unfamiliar with the Arabic language, but sometimes I get the impression that if I got into a crowd of Arabs, most of my thoughts and ideas can be expressed through the phrase "alah akbar". only audible on the recordings ... on any recordings from Syria ... ugh, damn it, it’s bad! wassat
      6. VAF
        VAF 17 February 2014 14: 14
        +6
        Quote: donavi49
        The MiG does not climb into the BDK, here is the trouble of 5,6m MiG without wings and tail wide


        And weakly, before you write such crap .. although I ask or take a ruler to the last line and .. try wassat

      7. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 17 February 2014 17: 13
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        Ah, and most importantly, MiG Assad is not particularly needed, he has his own car, but they are standing at the bases, because it’s not their profile to target the Babakhs.

    2. rolik
      rolik 17 February 2014 12: 37
      +8
      Quote: kris
      But what about the tales of the idiots about the great support to the sun-faced Syria?

      And for you Kommersant is a source of credibility condemning ??? ))) Especially since he taught this very old from some high-ranking person close to the arms supply system. Yes, the wording of the florid))))) As one very respected and well-known television figure recently said. Some "knowledgeable persons" invent hot information and news while sitting at their own computer when they publish another article for their channel-publication. For example, it was said about a friend writing sensations while sitting in his dacha in the attic. He writes for the TV channel, which constantly talks about the imminent end of the world, ice comets aimed at the earth, reptilians, etc., and so on. While we are observing the following: the Syrian army has enough ammunition and weapons to successfully extinguish the monsters.
      1. kris
        kris 17 February 2014 12: 54
        +1
        Quote: rolik
        And for you, Kommersant is a source of diminishing confidence ??? )))

        Sorry if I offended you - an admirer of the "TIME" and "VESTI" programs.
        1. rolik
          rolik 17 February 2014 13: 17
          +8
          Quote: kris
          Sorry if I offended you - an admirer of the "TIME" and "VESTI" programs.

          There are other sources of information, and in the last place there are Echo, Komers, REN TV, and other jaundice that you (in my opinion) simply adore))))) I was not offended, I was not offended))))) Even the minus is not I slapped)))))
          1. kris
            kris 17 February 2014 13: 50
            -3
            Quote: rolik
            REN TV, and other jaundice,

            Do not forget to wear a helmet at work!
            1. rolik
              rolik 17 February 2014 14: 45
              +6
              Quote: kris
              Do not forget to wear a helmet at work!

              A helmet is not required at my workplace)))))))
              Have you already had the sad experience of standing without a helmet under load ??? )))) Accept condolences, sincerely sympathize. crying
              1. kris
                kris 17 February 2014 15: 29
                +2
                Quote: rolik
                A helmet is not required at my workplace)))))))

                I agree. You at the computer DRAW!
                1. rolik
                  rolik 17 February 2014 15: 39
                  +3
                  Quote: kris
                  I agree. You at the computer DRAW!

                  Well, of course (after standing under load and without a helmet) you agree with everything)))))) if only "mosk" is not to strain.
                  1. kris
                    kris 17 February 2014 17: 08
                    -1
                    Quote: rolik
                    Well, of course (after standing under load and without a helmet) you agree with everything)))))) if only "mosk" is not to strain.

                    something is active today Kremlin liberal hamsters! laughing
          2. ed65b
            ed65b 17 February 2014 14: 39
            +4
            Quote: rolik
            Even the minus is not I slapped)))))

            I slapped the chewing nuts.
            1. rolik
              rolik 17 February 2014 14: 46
              +2
              Quote: ed65b
              I slapped the chewing nuts.

              And he didn’t answer someone)))))) he is probably observing army discipline)))))
            2. kris
              kris 17 February 2014 15: 28
              -1
              Quote: ed65b
              Quote: rolik
              Even the minus is not I slapped)))))

              I slapped the chewing nuts.

              there will be a prize from Surkov!
              With a round-headed note!
              1. rolik
                rolik 17 February 2014 15: 42
                +10
                Quote: kris
                there will be a prize from Surkov!

                Damn, the guy completely behind the zhisty. All Surkov seem))))))
                Kiss the image of the holy virgin of all Russia Novodvorskaya, attach a photo of Borovoy to the head, I think it will become easier for you. I hope to relieve spasmodic pain in the head.
                1. Roman 1977
                  Roman 1977 17 February 2014 15: 47
                  +2
                  So here is the namesake

                  fellow bully wassat
                  1. rolik
                    rolik 17 February 2014 15: 53
                    +2
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    So here is the namesake

                    Yes I saw. saw this plot)))) Interestingly, now the "flutist" is being removed, they will again run to the embassy to say goodbye, or not)))))
                    Now we must say Kiselevskaya propaganda))))))
                  2. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 18 February 2014 04: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Novel 1977
                    So here is the namesake
                    fellow bully wassat

                    You are Surkovskaya propaganda! wassat Bgggg laughing
                    What is incredibly surprising - how such narrow-minded and skeletal-speaking individuals got into politics ?! belay After all, it’s beautiful to otmazatsya from the magazine - just spit, by and large. request
                    Example:
                    Why come to meet the new ambassador.
                    Why - discuss the interests of Russia in the foreign arena.

                    Everything! And do not dig! laughing Clowns
                2. kris
                  kris 17 February 2014 17: 21
                  -1
                  Quote: rolik
                  Kiss the image of the holy virgin of all Russia Novodvorskaya, attach a photo of Borovoy to the head, I think it will become easier for you. I hope to relieve spasmodic pain in the head.

                  Hardly you froze over the winter! dress warmly. laughing
                  Or is it irradiation so the tower blows?
                  Or did you give out an award in honor of the Olympiad so that they can work more actively? laughing
                3. ed65b
                  ed65b 17 February 2014 19: 08
                  +1
                  Chris stood at the gates of the US Embassy laughing from there I saw Chirikova ala company with slogans. laughing Then he watched a cartoon about a kesha parrot and everything jammed. fool
                  1. kris
                    kris 17 February 2014 20: 24
                    +3
                    Quote: ed65b
                    Chris stood at the gates of the US Embassy laughing from there I saw Chirikova ala company with slogans. laughing Then he watched a cartoon about a kesha parrot and everything jammed. fool

                    And here the eddic troll got out!
                    Today there are a lot of foolish liberoids on the site!
                    1. ed65b
                      ed65b 17 February 2014 21: 49
                      0
                      Quote: kris
                      And here the eddic troll got out!

                      Fu, how shallow you think fool Take it higher. laughing
                      1. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 18 February 2014 04: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: ed65b
                        Quote: kris
                        And here the eddic troll got out!

                        Fu, how shallow you think fool Take it higher. laughing

                        (Instructive) kris - do not offend the person stop , ed65b - not a troll, a person at execution wassat
                    2. rolik
                      rolik 17 February 2014 21: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: kris
                      there are a lot of idiotic liberoids today

                      Two concepts that do not go together. But, our new "Michurin" crossed them))))) The guy is bad at all, the trouble is simple.
                      This video is exactly on its topic lol
                  2. rolik
                    rolik 17 February 2014 21: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: ed65b
                    Then he watched a cartoon about a kesha parrot and everything jammed.

                    Rather, I remembered the Mystery of the Third Planet)))))) there was such a bird "talker"))))) Very similar))))) Only unlike this character, this bird was distinguished by intelligence and ingenuity laughing
    3. Luke
      Luke 17 February 2014 13: 02
      +1
      BDK must go through the straits. Ruslana fly through neighbors who will definitely ask what are you driving.
      I have an option only with Iran. Across the Caspian Sea, and further on land.
      1. rolik
        rolik 17 February 2014 13: 18
        +3
        Quote: Luke
        I have an option only with Iran. Across the Caspian Sea, and further on land.

        By land through Iraq ????
  8. supertiger21
    supertiger21 17 February 2014 12: 33
    0
    The MiG-29 needs to be delivered, but it will only help to protect against the still possible intervention of the United States, Great Britain, and France. At the moment, they will need more bombers and attack aircraft to more successfully extinguish bearded men. It would be nice if the Su-34 were to sell big and we’ll start the first export, and the bomber for the Syrians will cost less than a multi-role fighter.
    1. Genry
      Genry 17 February 2014 12: 51
      +4
      You still offer TU-160, with nuclear-warhead missiles.

      Here we need drones for reconnaissance and guidance and powerful mortars.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 17 February 2014 13: 00
        +1
        Quote: Genry
        Here we need drones for reconnaissance and guidance and powerful mortars.


        But it is not better to deliver targeted air strikes. In open areas you can even carry out carpet bombing, where the Su-34 is a professional in that role. Drying will strike, and the militants don’t understand who and where it hits them from.
        1. VAF
          VAF 17 February 2014 15: 29
          +4
          Quote: supertiger21
          .In open areas, you can even carry out carpet bombing, where the Su-34 in this role is a professional.


          "Carpet" (areal B / M) is the purest anachronism. Dear! lol :
          1. It is carried out only from a great height (is everything clear further? wink ) plus an ordinary "cast iron" has a tendency to ricochet wassat
          2. Extreme inefficiency due to dispersion criteria.
          3. The ability to perform tasks on the destruction of plagued or linear targets using RBC and KMGU wink

          There are no goals in Syria to use such means as the Su-34 soldier
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 17 February 2014 16: 03
            +1
            Hello Sergey, glad to read expert comments.

            Quote: vaf
            1. Performed only from a great height (after that everything is clear?) Plus, an ordinary "cast iron" has a tendency to ricochet


            But it can be used for striking open spaces. If the accuracy of carpet bombing is small, but nevertheless a large area of ​​damage is covered.

            Quote: vaf
            There are no goals in Syria to use such means as the Su-34


            The militants are supplied with "everything they need" from the Turkish border. Can you somehow block this supply line with air strikes ???
      2. Sinbad
        Sinbad 17 February 2014 13: 19
        +2
        Mortars are good, but precision strikes are needed, because bandits are hiding among civilians.
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        2. atalef
          atalef 17 February 2014 14: 19
          +1
          Quote: Sinbad
          Mortars are good, but point strikes are needed, because bandits are hiding among civilians

          Type of barrels with explosives discharged from helicopters. Extremely accurate weapons.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 17 February 2014 17: 22
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Type of barrels with explosives discharged from helicopters. Extremely accurate weapons.

            But certainly DOES NOT HAVE ANALOGUES IN THE WORLD wassat
        3. and why
          and why 17 February 2014 22: 07
          0
          Yeah, the mortar for pinpoint strikes is the very first thing. laughing
        4. and why
          and why 17 February 2014 22: 07
          0
          Yeah, the mortar for pinpoint strikes is the very first thing. laughing
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 17 February 2014 13: 02
      +2
      Ahrenet. Actually Napoleon Now busy restoring the image after parting with Josephine and admission to the French family Valevskoy. Well, in Paris Maidan recently dispersed its own. Military aspirations in Africa. Fleet - Charles De Gaulle is being dismantled and for another year he is out of the game.

      Britain - now is not up to companies in Syria.

      The United States - they can, but until they are worn out, everything is quiet. Arabs and Turks can even tomorrow, but they are waiting for the owner, plus the Arabs split into Qatar and the SA.

      In general, everything is quiet. It is precisely the deliveries of such sensitive weapons that can provoke an unmanned zone, as well as a large-scale supply of weapons and equipment. For Su-34, the Israelis will work out automatically, directly at unloading with a probability of 146%.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 17 February 2014 13: 10
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        The Israelis will work on the Su-34 automatically, directly at unloading with a probability of 146%.


        Well, at low altitudes, machine guns are not threatened (tinan armor). But MANPADS are really dangerous.
        1. Tirpitz
          Tirpitz 17 February 2014 13: 41
          +4
          This machine gun is not shot from a machine gun or MANPADS. This is when immediately after unloading there will be an air raid, and everything will be destroyed on the ground.
          1. Luke
            Luke 17 February 2014 13: 58
            +1
            There, in fact, Kuzya is on duty, what sort of air raids on Russian ships?
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 17 February 2014 18: 32
              +6
              not to ships, but to places of unloading. BDK sailed, unloaded and sailed. the Israelites flew in and burnt the warehouse (storage place). The IDF knows its job.
          2. supertiger21
            supertiger21 17 February 2014 14: 04
            +1
            Quote: Tirpitz
            This machine gun is not shot from a machine gun or MANPADS. This is when immediately after unloading there will be an air raid, and everything will be destroyed on the ground.


            Well, the delivery of goods will not be the same opening ceremony. And security measures will also be taken. I do not think that Israel will go on such a provocation, all the more it will not bring him any benefit.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 18 February 2014 04: 57
              +2
              Quote: supertiger21
              Well, the delivery of goods will not be the same opening ceremony. And security measures will also be taken. I do not think that Israel will go on such a provocation, all the more it will not bring him any benefit.

              Yes, you can’t answer so simply and unequivocally ... but I’ll try, I’ll start from the end.

              1. As for the benefits - you are right, the plane is not ATGM and not even anti-ship missiles, the chances of falling into the hands of terrorists and being used by them are zero, therefore there is no special sense to touch it, or in other words - what for goat bayan.

              2. Security measures are a loose concept, the question is the price of achieving the goal and the justifiability of this price.
              Round-the-clock security by Russian soldiers? This will impose on Russia the responsibility of preventing the possible inappropriate or, heaven forbid, the terrorist use of guarded weapons - both on the directly and officially present side, but in this case the bombing becomes unnecessary, and if guarded according to the principle "we were not standing there" - then in case which is impossible to make a claim, "it was not worth it" - shortsighted.
              Ships cannot provide their air defense umbrella either, since in the case of attempts to intercept aircraft that directly on them do not attack - will be in the role aggressor, and any response action is automatically protected as self defense. We will not discuss the technical side.

              3. And finally, about the "demonstrative opening ceremony" - there were none before, which absolutely did not affect the outcome of events. You will not say that our army intelligence eats its bread for nothing.

              hi
    3. Hug
      Hug 17 February 2014 17: 06
      +1
      Re: supertiger21
      It would be nice to sell the Su-34 in a large batch. And we will start the first export, and the bomber for the Syrians will cost less than a multi-role fighter.


      I hope you were joking. IMHO: BMPT, MI-24 (35), Mi-8AMTSh more needed.
  9. Gronsky
    Gronsky 17 February 2014 12: 35
    +3
    What does the opposition of the Western countries mean? Are they going to sink our transports with MiGs or shoot down their delivery planes? I think they won’t, the instinct of self-preservation will not. Howl, sanctions, media campaigns on .. When were they a hindrance? The only problem is Syrian solvency.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 17 February 2014 12: 53
      +2
      Quote: Gronsky
      What does the opposition of the Western countries mean? Are they going to sink our transports with MiGs or shoot down their delivery planes? I think they won’t, the instinct of self-preservation will not. Howl, sanctions, media campaigns on .. When were they a hindrance? The only problem is Syrian solvency.


      I agree ... yes Moreover, they weren’t asked to let us transfer the flows of military goods to Afghanistan through our territory.
      1. Gronsky
        Gronsky 17 February 2014 15: 18
        +1
        Quote: supertiger21
        Moreover, they weren’t asked to let us transfer the flows of military goods to Afghanistan through our territory.

        Even given our assistance in the transfer of their equipment, they may oppose our supplies. But ... To oppose, does not mean to disrupt, the matter must be done with a quiet glanders and let them rub their teeth even to the roots.
  10. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 February 2014 12: 42
    +6
    At the moment, Rooks and helicopters Assad clearly needed.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 17 February 2014 12: 48
      +2
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      At the moment, Rooks and helicopters Assad clearly needed.


      Better yet, give the 34th Drying ... smile And then the bearded men completely relaxed, there is no one to plant from the sky ... am
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 17 February 2014 19: 05
        +3
        Quote: supertiger21
        Better yet, give the 34th Drying ...


        And the surplus themselves?
    2. typhoon7
      typhoon7 17 February 2014 14: 37
      +1
      I agree, helicopters and attack aircraft of the Syrian army are needed as air. Tanks and infantry there really lack air support. But control over the sky must be maintained, without this in any way. Today they will strike at warehouses, tomorrow at military groups and command posts. Interceptors should be.
  11. Partizan
    Partizan 17 February 2014 12: 52
    +1
    Quote: kris
    The reason for this is both the financial problems of Damascus and the lack of Moscow's ability to deliver large-sized military products to the Syrians without opposition from Western countries.
    But what about the tales of the idiots about the great support to the sun-faced Syria?
    Everything rested on the loot? Or was it forbidden to sell from Israel? Then it’s just a business and people don’t have to hang on their ears about supporting Syria!
    Both BDK and An-124 calmly resolve the issue of delivery. Another vrvnye Kremlin liberalists!

    Everything always rests on the loot, what kind of support for Syria, but what without noodles somehow?
    1. aviator65
      aviator65 17 February 2014 21: 02
      +1
      It was worth noting that the article was taken from Kommersant. And this edition brings all the problems into one plane. The name is binding.
  12. kelevra
    kelevra 17 February 2014 13: 09
    0
    It’s a pity, it seems to me that I should not give a damn about the West and still supply airplanes. The West would not dare to go against us, either militarily or even economically. A more rigid and aggressive policy should be pursued.
  13. region46
    region46 17 February 2014 13: 18
    0
    if it is all about delivery, then why not use the route through the Caspian and Iran. We have a pretty good relationship with Iran, it also supports Syria. There is no one to inspect our ships in the Caspian.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 17 February 2014 13: 22
      0
      Iran does not border Syria. Iraq will not miss because they don’t need it, especially now, when the citizen themselves began to quarrel with the United States and completely suicide.
  14. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 17 February 2014 13: 21
    +5
    Assad now needs first of all spare parts for military equipment supplied by the USSR and its ammunition, and it seems to be supplied to him.

    The photo shows the large landing craft of the Northern Fleet "George the Victorious" leaving Novorossiysk last week - early in the morning or late in the evening on 21.12.2013. The seriousness of intentions is evidenced by the fact that the ship sits in the water along the constructive waterline, which means that it has at least 500 tons of profile cargo on board (for example, excluding containers - about 15
    125-mm tank high-explosive fragmentation rounds, which corresponds to 380 T-72 ammunition)

    http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/

    And also attack aircraft like the Su-25 and Yak-130, by the way, the Syrian Yak-130, manufactured at our 21st Sokol plant and stored somewhere disappeared ...
    Moreover, Iran supplies a lot of weapons to the Syrian government:

    Iranian 240-I MLRS "Falak-1"


    Yassir Iranian tactical reconnaissance UAV shot down by rebels

    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 17 February 2014 13: 58
      +1
      Iran supplies Syria with its own Fateh-110 tactical missiles, which are produced in Syria under license under the designation M-600 "Tishreen"

      Iran also supplies Syria with Zolfagar missile boats with Noor anti-ship missiles (C-802)


      Probably, the use of the Tochka-U OTR in the regions occupied by the Basmachi, at least until this year, can be linked to the Syrian Express, and there was no information about their use.
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 17 February 2014 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: Novel 1977
      By the way, the Syrian Yak-130, manufactured at our 21st Sokol plant and stored somewhere, disappeared ...


      ... competent comrades will sort it out bully
  15. sazhka4
    sazhka4 17 February 2014 14: 26
    +4
    Jacob seems to have put them in the Regiments. Or do they want to sell again, in the second round?
  16. Arh
    Arh 17 February 2014 14: 52
    +2
    Our MiG - 35! ! ! * * *
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 17 February 2014 16: 14
      +2
      Quote: Arh
      Our MiG - 35! ! ! * * *


      The plane is certainly cool, but it is practically ... request It doesn’t exist. The fact is that while AFAR is not installed on the radar, it continues to be the MiG-29M2. Yes, and I do not like that our authorities will purchase only 24 units, and somewhere by 2016. There should be a contract at least- to 60 cars. They were supposed to sign it back in August last year, but again ... angry procrastination crying
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 17 February 2014 18: 35
        +1
        to the account of the number of aircraft ordered: it does not matter how many there are in the order. the main thing is how many orders will be. at least one aircraft is possible, but 1000 orders ;-)
        I just often hear such statements ...
  17. rpek32
    rpek32 17 February 2014 17: 23
    0
    After the British company Standard Club deprived the ship of insurance, without which it has no right to enter any ports, "Alaed" had to return with cargo to the port of Kaliningrad.

    What is the connection between Russia, Syria and Britain ???
  18. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 17 February 2014 17: 29
    +2
    Ay-ay-ay
    How now Assad will remain without Russian MiGs ??

    After all, they were friends, they were friends
  19. Leshka
    Leshka 17 February 2014 17: 33
    +1
    I would pour on everyone at our place and put them these MIGs to them any help would not hurt
    1. clidon
      clidon 17 February 2014 18: 05
      0
      Even so expensive and almost useless?
  20. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 17 February 2014 17: 37
    +1
    It is not clear why to insure a Russian ship in England.
    Are there really not enough insurers?
    Or is it for show-offs, such as we are-untwisted, in England we insure ourselves!
    To hell with us such insurance, if after it you can’t go to sea ...
    1. Power
      Power 17 February 2014 18: 28
      +3
      Ivan, and you remember where two Jews (Abramovich and Berezovsky) were sued over what was stolen in Russia, and everything will immediately become clear to you.
  21. voliador
    voliador 17 February 2014 19: 18
    +2
    Assad now any weapon is useful. Another question is that Arabs are very poor at mastering techniques that are especially modern, complex, and require competent handling and timely care. The war with the Jews showed it well. But, in any case, Assad is well done. I wish him to quickly grind this rabble into dust.
  22. Celmz
    Celmz 17 February 2014 20: 37
    +2
    Quote: silver_roman
    I am completely unfamiliar with the Arabic language, but sometimes I get the impression that if I got into a crowd of Arabs, most of my thoughts and ideas can be expressed through the phrase "alah akbar". only heard on the recordings ... on any recordings from Syria.

    and this is a mandatory clause of the contract with the devil, as in Ukraine, "Glory to the nation" and the like ...
  23. propolsky
    propolsky 17 February 2014 22: 43
    +2
    Yes, with insurance, a full knockout! Are we really dependent on the financial crooks of the old world ?! The level of fall is hard to understand by the mind ...
  24. s1н7т
    s1н7т 17 February 2014 23: 45
    0
    And what kind of inflicted one is hanging on the photo? New ZS ?!
  25. Red Army of the USSR
    Red Army of the USSR 17 February 2014 23: 50
    0
    We must keep our word, they said, "We'll put it on, then we'll put it." There are no Yankees for them, the main authority of the "mammon" and lies, for the sake of this they will do everything, they will sell their mother.
  26. killganoff
    killganoff 18 February 2014 00: 00
    +5
    How long can you betray your allies ?! Yugoslavia was denied support in a difficult hour, Iraq was not defended, Libya was thrown and now we do not even remember (!), Iran was denied the supply of S-300 air defense systems and now Syria was cut in the back.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 18 February 2014 06: 36
      0
      It is simply amazing how impudently the lobby of the State Department is at the very top of Russian bureaucracy !!!!
      They got it, creatures !!!
  27. Magadan
    Magadan 18 February 2014 06: 35
    +1
    If the NATO troops still fly to bomb Syria, and Assad does not have these same MIGs, then who will we ask? Or deliberately slowed down the delivery so that it could be bombed without loss.

    I'm not paranoid, but even if I'm paranoid, this does not mean that no one is chasing me