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Oligarchic revolution

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The sincere desire of many Euromaidans to live better was directed against them by greedy political consultants themselves. Because after the protests, the country has become much worse off - we see a course on the interbank market, a desire for federalization, a loss of power in trading with western and eastern partners, a sharp decline in confidence in the country. If there were no protests in its current form, the standard of living would have increased by at least 2015% by 50, thanks to the agreements concluded for 15 billion dollars of Russian investments, 30 billion dollars of Chinese and European investments. The events of recent months can hardly leave anyone indifferent - the intensity of political opposition has reached such a level that the sovereignty and integrity of Ukraine are under real threat. In pursuit of the ghostly status of the “Euro-associated state,” Ukrainian society found itself on the brink of civil war.




Of course, the exalted student youth and the traditionally aggressive stratum of the “creative class”, who views Ukraine’s European integration only as a way to accelerate their own emigration (“It's time to blame!”) Or, better, to live less (“Scrab your salary, like Europe!” ), I had no time to think about it, but for the sake of what, in fact, they “maydaniruyut” two months, plunging Ukraine into the tragifars of the “creeping putsch”. But people who are able to critically assess the situation and form their own opinions based on personal observations and conclusions, seeking to live and raise children in their own country, probably should think about whether Ukraine will pay too much for the ghost of "European integration." To defeat corruption, it is worth submitting boring bills, and not throwing “fun mixes”. To establish universal justice, it would be worthwhile to re-privatize, but surprisingly, no one on the Maidan stage wants to start with himself and set an example. Discussion of personalities continues, but not the program of change. The world of illusions has overshadowed many critical views on what is happening. “What do you tell all this garbage about macroeconomics? The people still live worse and worse every year! ”The oppositionist will slyly tell me. As it is easy to see, in 10 years, the pace of housing construction has almost doubled. And yes, not all of these apartments are home to “Family”, Akhmetov ... In 2012, thousands of cars were sold in Ukraine in 363. And not all of these cars bought “mode” for their collection, and the average salary in the country in 2000 was less in 10, as was the number of people who visited the EU. Did the critics live in 1991-93's? During the time of gang lawlessness and semi-annual non-payment of salary on 10-15 $ per month? “Dissatisfaction must be directed into the depths of oneself and begin with oneself. And we rush outward: the government, pension, salary, it’s not there, it’s not there, it’s not like that ... They stumbled into the television and began to condemn. You look at yourself, mate! Did you raise your children? - Not. Did you kill five with an abortion? - Yes. You don't do anything at work - bald, with a beard, 42 of the year, you sit, you play a computer, then you click the mouse button: “Oh, the boss goes, atas!” Funny picture. You work 40 minutes a day and you want a “decent” salary. So where does this country come from? Suitcase leave at the station for 10 minutes and go to the toilet. What will happen? “There won't be a suitcase!” - Peter Mamonov.

The Euromaidan as a whole, as well as the permanently changing demands of the outcasting opposition leaders, is extremely difficult to assess from the point of view of common sense. The requirement to immediately sign the Association Agreement with enslaving conditions with a bright head is difficult to defend. This means that the head should be occupied by others, the best thing is not to think at all, and these are precisely those emotions that serve as an ideal ground for putsch and riots. So, why Ukrainians massively rushed to the Maidans and barricades, without having a clear idea of ​​what they want?

A decisive role in the escalation of mass political aggression was played by the replication of the main political myths, masterfully set by the opposition, with a European subtext, false content and a pronounced conflict orientation.

In my opinion, oppositional mythology is peculiar to:

- lack of a clear program of opposition actions, vague promises and indiscriminate populism (in a situation where supporters of ultraliberal market economy and radical nationalism gathered under the brand of blitz-euro-integration, students and entrepreneurs are the only supporters, the minimum specification of the recipes to achieve the promise of “European” is contra-indicated - realizing that “shchasyachko” will be built precisely at their expense, at least half of the adepts will run home);

- pulling out of the context, a mosaic presentation of information, nonstandings and artificially bringing the logic of opponents to the point of absurdity (on Maidan it is much easier to shout slogans like "Gang - get!", "Bimba!", Europe - it's a lot of luck! ", Etc., jerk and refute the fictional statements of the authorities, rather than trying to create their own program with clear economic calculations - the audience is more likely to be shocking than to graphs, charts and calculations);

- annoying focusing on the positive aspects of European life and equally diligent silence about the problematic points (if the Ukrainian villagers honestly say that after the European association in its current form, they will not be able to sell their household farms, then realizing these “lovely prospects” they instantly would go home, taking care that the children-grandchildren sent to study in the city would stay away from euromaidans);

- enhanced manipulation of the notion “social justice” (by no means poor opposition leaders are much more profitable to promise the masses vague ideals of “social justice” than to tell how their oligarch sponsors evaluate the realism of the fulfillment of these promises, which can only be realized in the event of a total revision of the privatization results) ;

- deliberate pressure on pity, encouragement of double standards of morality and provocations (remember, after some strange events in 30 November, in each regional center there appeared at least one “witness” of how the Berkut fighters kicked a pregnant woman woman?).

From the general we will pass to the private - we will continue the analysis of masterpieces of oppositional mythology.

The standard of living will increase as European standards will be implemented.

Article 56 of the Agreement “Approximation of Technical Regulation, Standards and Conformity Assessment” and Supplement III fixes the terms of this “convergence”, which are completely unrealistic for any economy in the world. So, in particular, it is necessary to adapt the legislation to ensure the item “general product safety” throughout 1 of the year, and elevators - to 2 of the year. In terms of two to seven years, we have to remake our cars, boilers, drastically change the standards for the production of our gasoline, building materials, medical equipment, etc. The saddest thing is that we all have to do it at our own expense (unlike Poland and Hungary, which received for this purpose from the European Union, respectively, 86 billion euros and 51 billion euros, Ukraine was offered only 680 million euros - we 122 times richer or 122 times more stupid than the Poles?). From the State budget for the modernization of these positions in the case of the signing of the Association Agreement, we would have to spend billions of dollars from 5 to 10 annually. Can you imagine how in Ukraine you can change all elevators in two years? And not only elevators, but also the whole system of their functioning. Where does the money come from? Loans? But loans need to be repaid, and the elevator makes a profit solely by including the costs of its maintenance in utility bills. It is in these accounts that the costs of their “Europeanization” will be included. And these are just elevators. Let us add to this the long-standing recommendations of European politicians that communal tariffs should be "economically justified." And we’ll get a bill for utility tariffs quite European (if in Ukraine the population pays less than $ 1000 for cubic meters of gas for 100, then in the EU countries the minimum price limit for the same volume for the same consumer category is set at $ 500, and in the Netherlands, example, exceeded the bar in $ 1000). Salary, the EU, we recall, does not promise to raise, and in the draft Agreement there is no mention of it. Russia, as you understand, as a sign of support for Ukraine’s European integration aspirations, is unlikely to lower the gas price.

Or take another point regarding the transition to the "European standards" of high-speed railways during 5 years. The essence of the issue is that European and Ukrainian railway tracks are of various widths, and in order to “unify” them, the whole canvas should be replaced with a total length of 30 thousand km. “But after all, the Baltic states even joined the EU, but they did not convert the railways to“ euroformat ”, the Euro-optimist exclaims. Not translated, because this condition was not spelled out in the agreement on the accession of these countries to the union. And in the case of Ukraine, this requirement is fixed.

European standards are good - no doubt. But is the society ready to feel them in their wallet and stomach? Moreover, for many it will be a matter of survival. For example, for peasants living at the expense of retail trade in vegetables grown in the garden. European standards do not involve the sale of non-certified products. No meat, no milk, no mushrooms, no berries, no apples, no seeds. Goodbye, station markets! And with them - and thousands of grandmothers, now earning a small addition to the retirement of such trade. Pensions, once again I will focus on this, no EU will not be raised.

Reality. Tight deadlines for the transition to European technological and commercial standards, which require exorbitant budget expenditures, will lead to a huge fall in the standard of living of the overwhelming majority of the population of Ukraine.

Association with the EU will lead to difficulties, but the economy is already in crisis, and the social sphere is at a low level. It will not be worse. Will be. And so much worse that the stability of the first years of the rule of President Yanukovych will be remembered as heavenly time. The opposition understands this too, but, for the sake of its own rating, it gushes out populist statements. So, its leaders are demanding the abolition of pension reform. But ... in Europe, the retirement age is even higher!

In order to gossip about the “beggarly level” of domestic pensions, it is worth comparing the scale of prices in Ukraine and in the European Union. Along the way, remember that there is no phenomenon of “working pensioners” in the West. There is a clear scheme: "Or a salary - or a pension."

Counter question to opposition politicians. How, having 20 billion UAH deficit of the Pension Fund, you can not carry out pension reform? We are so often outraged by the increase in the retirement age for women (I’ll note that with the most liberal rate “per year - for half a year”, that is, in 60 years, women will not be retired before 2021) that they forget to analyze the European experience: age women's retirement ranged from 57 (Italy, but there are frozen in the public sector wages to 2015 year) to 67 years (Iceland, Norway). Most often the bar is fixed at the turn of 65 years (Belgium, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Austria, Greece). Portuguese Prime Minister, by the way, the other day announced an increase in the retirement age to 66 years - for women too. Against this background, France with the UK (60 years) and Switzerland (62 of the year) look quite liberal. It should be understood that the European structures, which, on our behalf, the “cardio-orange” team nadalzhalivat money, are unlikely to allow Ukrainians to retire before the Germans or Italians.

The external debt of Ukraine (136 billion dollars) is ten times less than Spanish, despite the fact that the population of Ukraine is more than Spain. We live better than 70% of the world's population. Nowhere in Europe there is no such level of shadow incomes, which in sums exceed wages. Europe’s welfare is based on gigantic foreign borrowing (only 16% of Berlin residents own their own housing, youth unemployment in Greece is over 55%, Ukraine has a debt 25 times less than Spain, every German owes an average of 66 thousand dollars, in Sweden - negative deposit interest rate, in Amsterdam over half a million bicycles ...). Doubt-invited to check.

Further. Communal tariffs, which are now artificially restrained by the authorities, will immediately soar to an “economically sound level”. What is it - no need to explain. For renting an apartment, mortgage and communal Europeans pay the lion's share of their salary. And there are no benefits for this. As well, the absolute majority of benefits that Ukrainian citizens enjoy with pleasure are not provided for. For example, on public transport. And such categories as “Chernobyl veterans” and “Afghans” are nonsense for Europe.

Separately, we will try to assess the prospects of the most protest western regions, which, in the event of federalization, will be on starvation. Federalization will have a negative impact on Western Ukraine - this is indisputable. I will read an extract from the State budget so that we know who pays whom. The budget of the Ternopil region earns 243, 985 million UAH, and subsidies from the state budget are provided - 630, 063 million UAH. What is there to comment? Ivano-Frankivsk region earns 341, 938 million UAH, and 776, 532 million UAH - equalization grants from the state budget. Lviv region - 878, 243 million UAH earns, and 1, 358 billion UAH receives from the state budget. These subsidies include payment at a reduced fare, benefits for children and so on. Donetsk region earns 4, 678 billion UAH, and government payments amount to 1, 235 billion UAH. Only Donetsk and the Okrug, giving three-quarters of their earnings, feed three western regions. Will the West Western Ukraine help? I guess the question is rhetorical.

The opposition is ready to take responsibility for Ukraine. The proposal of the Prime Minister’s portfolio to Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Deputy Prime Minister Vitali Klitschko undoubtedly caught the entire fragmented top of the opposition leaders. They talked so long about what they know, where and how to lead Ukraine, that when they were given the opportunity to carry out their plans in practice, they explicitly stated through the mouth of Arseniy Yatsenyuk that they were not ready to take responsibility for the whole country. Of course, it is much easier to organize the seizure of buildings, to demand sanctions for the Ukrainian authorities from the European Union and the United States, to dance on the stage of the Maidan, than to engage in the real economy. Ordinary Ukrainians can not explain why after the Maidan revolution the hryvnia exchange rate fell by 10%, why China and Russia (Prokhorov’s statement) began to seriously doubt the expediency of giving Ukraine multibillion-dollar loans, why the promised "bright European tomorrow" does not come. Departure from responsibility, the substitution of cause and effect, concealment from fellow citizens of the whole background of the Association Agreement with the EU, which is extremely unfavorable for Ukraine (just look at Art. 56), replacement of economic calculations with primitive populist slogans and unfulfilled promises - this was the hobby of the opposition. In Aesop's fable, Hvastun, there is a characteristic episode when a certain type declares that on the island of Rhodes he jumped a very great distance, and refers to some witnesses. When the "record holder" is offered to repeat his achievement ("Here, Rhodes, jump here!"), He refuses. “Wanted to become power? So jump and create a euro-fast! ”- I want to say to our opposition leaders. But no, they are making new demands - on the provision of all ministerial portfolios to Arseniy Yatsenyuk's nominees - as if it depends solely on President Viktor Yanukovych, and not on the Verkhovna Rada. With the same success, it can be stated that the opposition will only give consent to the adoption of the Prime Minister’s seat if the exchange rate of the hryvnia against the dollar 1: 1 is reached. The opposition does not have any serious economic program, and the evasion of their leaders from accepting responsibility for the country is a clear confirmation of this.

Populists can deceive almost everyone, but not the logic of economic processes. In 2008, we already felt calls for social justice and - for Bandits - prisons! ”, Led to a hryvnia collapse from 4, 8 to 8 UAH for 1 $, a ninefold increase in gas prices and a fivefold increase in the country's debt. Today we again hear the “Gang Get out!” And see the growth rate on the interbank market (8,73grn / dollar), and this is only the beginning.

All that the opposition wants is to get the sweet spots in power, leaving the people once again at the bottom of the trough. Failure to sign a treaty with the EU is only a pretext for a forceful seizure of power. Unfortunately, our life only worsened from the revolution. Now our choice is trapped in a narrow corridor between economic collapse and extremely unpopular measures.

Reality. Opposition leaders do not want to share responsibility for the country with those who were supported by about half of Ukrainian voters - pragmatists-business executives, seeking to develop production and export. The opposition requires only dictatorial powers, but not responsibility.

As a conclusion from this “comparative mythology,” the following remark should be made.
The opposition is in favor of a tough version of modernization. With an increase in the retirement age, cuts in benefits, reduced support for domestic producers, an increase in utility tariffs and the devaluation of the national currency.

But it is their right. Worse, she cynically lies, publicly stating opposing populist things. The leaders of the anti-state opposition and their followers have surprising logic to the point of absurdity: the hryvnia rate is stable - this is bad for exporters, you increase taxes to get the economy out of the shadow - that means you are in business, you don’t sign a bonded contract with the EU - it’s sold to Russia, you support development economy - it means trying to shove the country back into the "scoop", and so on.

Nevertheless, it is already possible to sum up some intermediate results. What has the euromaidan community achieved for compatriots?

First, a significant devaluation of the hryvnia, a massive outflow of deposits, marking the beginning of a deep recession in the economy. Secondly, the appreciation of foreign loans for the country due to the fall in ratings is due to political instability. Thirdly, now we will be forced to sign the Association with the EU on any, that is, very unfavorable conditions. Fourthly, very likely federalization and, as a result, reduction of subsidized revenues to regional budgets of Western Ukrainian regions and cities.

I suppose we all will soon see how Western Ukrainian oligarchs "restore social justice", eliminate corruption everywhere (as if in Western Ukraine it has never been born, and the notorious judge Zvarych was operating somewhere in Donetsk) and reprivatized the illegally taken from the state (including including themselves). It will not be fun, but not boring!
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  1. makarov
    makarov 17 February 2014 08: 15
    +10
    "Opposition leaders do not want to share responsibility for the country with those who were supported by about half of Ukrainian voters - pragmatists and business executives who want to develop production and exports."

    Having critical views and opinions on the actions of the "troika", I do not understand the author's criteria about thieves and corrupt officials, whom he calls "pragmatists-business executives seeking to develop production and export." Because a thief remains a thief in spite of his t.s. positive theft. am
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 17 February 2014 15: 38
      +30
      With such "Judaic" smiles as the trinity in the photo, Ukraine will definitely have a khan (if they come to power) And about the "thieves" slogans are familiar to us on the swamp all one to one (according to the manual)
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 17 February 2014 16: 46
        +11
        I also drew attention to this! drinks
      2. Denis
        Denis 17 February 2014 17: 09
        +10
        Quote: MIKHAN
        With such "Judaic" smiles as the trinity in the photo, Ukraine will definitely have a khan (if they come to power) And about the "thieves" slogans are familiar to us on the swamp all one to one (according to the manual)

        I think of the authorities, from this trio, (to be more correct, Western litter), no one will come; they will finish their dirty work under the contract.
        1. belmondi
          belmondi 18 February 2014 00: 29
          0
          and which of the serious people will let them go somewhere ???? they play the role of a boob in the old Polish preference :-) (shtirlits)
      3. jagdpanzer
        jagdpanzer 17 February 2014 17: 49
        +2
        do you think they are capable ??? as always, just screaming and nothing more! Well, one can still box and even at the expense of health and not technology
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 17 February 2014 20: 41
          +3
          Quote: jagdpanzer
          Well, one can still box and even then due to health and not technology

          I do not agree. It is due to technology that he is still alive. Filigree feels the distance, very viscous (in short, do not get it in the ring). But as far as health is concerned, his blow for a super heavy is rather weak, and indeed he doesn’t differ in special sharpness and speed. Competent, but not spectacular fighter. I can’t wait until the young fighter comes and gives him a delay.
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      5. siberalt
        siberalt 17 February 2014 18: 01
        +26
        This Judas Trinity was firmly seated.

        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/959/iubt935.jpg
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 17 February 2014 21: 49
          +7
          sibiralt RU "This Judas trinity has firmly settled down."
          ----------------------------------------------------------
          I want to make a correction, not a trinity, we have forgotten one fourth SUFFERING, she is also from the same breed! In general, there are a lot of such citizens in power structures in Ukraine! Here I will give a link to my verse "Whose Verkhovna Rada" http://www.stihi.ru/2012/04/03/8623, and here I will give a commentary from the book of E. Khodos:

          PS Anticipating all kinds of objections and even indignation, and also not to be unfounded, I will cite an excerpt from the book of the Kharkov Jew E. Khodos
          "Jewish strike ...". So: "By the way, about the parliament. If we are to be completely fair, then we can speak of the current Verkhovna Rada as a Ukrainian parliament only on one condition - if the word" Ukrainian "is put in quotation marks. Why? part of the Verkhovna Rada consists of Jews and half-breeds. " page 90
          Here is a clear example of "crap" in action, when representatives of a small nationality seize all the levers of power! I invite everyone to think about how things are in your countries?
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          2. siberalt
            siberalt 18 February 2014 01: 50
            +5
            Is this something?

            http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/583/objl72.jpg
        2. Mih
          Mih 17 February 2014 22: 43
          0
          Yes, probably it is. Although disgusting. I will not quote. Let's all go through the anus.
      6. Cherdak
        Cherdak 17 February 2014 20: 02
        +14
        “Europe - a lot of happiness!”
        1. mamba
          mamba 18 February 2014 11: 38
          0
          Quote: Cherdak
          “Europe - a lot of happiness!”

          On the same topic:
          Yes, awkward Europe:
          There is no happiness anywhere -
          On a cold stone
          Barefoot legs in the water.
          The picture is not stubbornly inserted. Then just a link to it:
          http://anekdotov.net/best/pic/picphoto411244194e.html
      7. Tersky
        Tersky 17 February 2014 22: 19
        +8
        Quote: MIKHAN
        With such "Judaic" smiles as the trinity in the photo, Ukraine will definitely have a khan (if they come to power) And about the "thieves" slogans are familiar to us on the swamp all one to one (according to the manual)

        God forbid, of course, but all the symptoms are on the face:
        1. Mih
          Mih 17 February 2014 22: 50
          -12%
          In the ridge Ukraine, after the Stalinist demarcation, and not so much can be seen. Have you not been officers on this ass in Soviet times? You b .. then already betrayed all that is possible. Devour the fruits of your love ... to .. Well ...
    2. Prutkov
      Prutkov 17 February 2014 15: 45
      +4
      Here you need to understand that there is not a single large capital earned in an honest way. Now Ukraine and Russia are going through the era of "initial accumulation of capital" or "wild capitalism", which was in America and tsarist Russia 100-150 years ago. And it is worth working a little in the companies of our oligarchs to understand that they are VERY PAINFUL about stealing in their companies. It's time to start growing and educating your national elite.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 17 February 2014 16: 17
        +14
        Quote: Rods
        It is time to start growing and educating our national elite.

        Such statements always shock me a little. First of all, where can I get it, I mean who will determine you the elite, and you not the elite. Chubais with Dimon or will we hold a referendum for each separately? Who will educate? And how to grow it (the elite)? You can plant it in a handicraft-nesting way, but what will grow out of it? If the "top" does not care about the self-consciousness of the people, then it is not the elite that needs to be "grown", but replaced by decent people. Those who have not smeared themselves in corruption, privatization, etc.
        There are a lot of articles about the former republics, but it would be interesting to read what kind of life the Turkmen have. There is less information about them than about S. Korea.
      2. dustycat
        dustycat 7 March 2014 08: 53
        0
        Quote: Rods
        they are VERY WICKED about theft in their companies.


        It is they who do not allow stealing in their "enterprises".
        At the same time, it is not considered shameful to rob the budget of either the customer or contractor.
        And what is most unpleasant for a Slav is purely within the framework of the traditions and laws of the European Union - the law is separate, honesty is separate.
    3. Motors1991
      Motors1991 17 February 2014 16: 35
      +11
      This is where the author saw the pragmatic business executives, isn’t it Yanukovych? Let him go to Donetsk region and ask him to show what was built under the governor Donetchina Yanukovych. ANSWER - NOTHING, except for dachas on the shore of Azov, and let Dnipropetrovsk region pass by, ask that Lazorenko built, a lot of things will be transferred to him. The Ukrainian authorities have chronic kleptomaniacs, it has come to Putin, he does not give money to Yanukovych, because he knows that he will steal. In December, Russia gave Ukraine 3 billion dollars, where no one knows where they went , Russia has lowered the price of gas to $ 268, Dnepropetrovsk regional gas purchases gas from a Cyprus offshore at a price of $ 568 for 1000 cubic meters, etc. When the author is slobbering about the Euroassociation, then I have to ask a question: who prepared the documents? Maidan? No, the Russofill government prepared the documents Azarov, who after retirement hit the road to his home in Austria, and the chief boss over Azarov, a strong business executive, Yanukovych. Or didn’t they read the documents that they were going to sign? Then hell to drive them with a broomstick. He says something about the laws, because our laws do not work, the country lives according to the concepts. Now it turns out whoever spoke out against this gang encroaches on the constitutional order.
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 17 February 2014 17: 43
        +6
        Dear Motors1991, You are absolutely right when speaking of "business executives." But they consciously carried out the program of "privatization" of Ukraine according to a well-known scenario in the interests of the EU. Therefore, you can only speak about formal legitimacy existing government. But the whole problem is that the "fruit has ripened" and had to fall, and here Russia. And you fell between a rock and a hard place, and it all depends on how quickly you realize that you need to jump out of this position. Every day exacerbates the situation, and the forces melt away.

        In my opinion: federalization on the basis of a referendum is the least evil, because the process is already running, but is not controlled by almost anyone. A referendum will either stop this process or give a legislative basis. Otherwise, "the worse - the better" - to the hand of all Slavic enemies. And this is sad.
        1. Motors1991
          Motors1991 17 February 2014 18: 36
          +8
          During the summer and autumn, the communists collected 3 (three) million signatures for holding a referendum on the issue of association with the EU, the law requires 1 (one) million, and so what? The authorities simply fumbled on these lists and until the last moment, as a prostitute was gaining price: on Monday, the president is for the EU, and on Friday for the CU, respectively, the Party of Regions is like a weather vane: on Monday in the Rada there are only speeches, on Friday exactly the opposite, who will deal with such people? Now they just don’t know in Europe and Russia that to do with Yanukovych, this ghoul himself will not go away, and other options are war.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 17 February 2014 20: 03
            -8
            Quote: Motors1991
            During the summer and autumn, the Communists collected 3 (three) million signatures for a referendum on the issue of association with the EU, the law requires 1 (one) million


            And the brain to turn on why are "communists" suddenly Europeanization?
            How many rubles?
            Didn't they give you enough "privatization" and a parade of independents in 1991?
            Tyu Yo !!!
            1. orek
              orek 17 February 2014 20: 43
              +11
              And the brain itself is weak. Although, why are the generals ?? For especially dull.
              Signatures were collected FOR REFERENDUM... And only on it the people are obliged to decide "where to run"? So according to the law.
              And do not be so nervous about the Communist Party. The vast majority of its members are very decent people. Moreover, in the countries of the former USSR, practically all the first leaders were associated with it.
              By the way, like many "current democrats".
              1. internatio
                internatio 18 February 2014 00: 06
                +1
                orek, support! Still, it is appropriate to conduct a referendum, and moreover, it is relevant to speak. And to seek. And do not argue with the Russians, it is almost useless. The south-east of Ukraine has stirred, Crimea has not calmed down yet. And in other regions, far from all is well. And the main question is not about Y. or PR, but about the CU and the EU!
              2. Egoza
                18 February 2014 01: 21
                +1
                Quote: orek
                And do not be so nervous about the Communist Party.

                Just a typo there at Motors. The communists were just collecting signatures to hold a referendum for the vehicle! That is why they were immediately "hammered" by court decisions that "they submitted the wrong documents for permission of meetings." There, in my opinion, there was 1 day difference. And they were afraid that the referendum would show WHERE people want to go.
          2. internatio
            internatio 17 February 2014 23: 54
            +1
            Dear Motors! Such never left themselves. But still there is a bloodless option. And not one. This will take time, of course, more. Even in the Crimea patience ends, especially among young people. Holding them back is getting harder and harder. Especially if they killed something again - Cape Aya, almost a holy place. Someone chopped junipers, not the fact that the Y. family. But everyone yells at him. And the Chinese port was immediately remembered. And the capture of Cape Sarych with the oldest tree in Ukraine. Fell everything in a heap - pent up the same ...
      2. vlum
        vlum 17 February 2014 20: 00
        +1
        and who prepared the documents?

        Or didn’t they read the documents that they were going to sign?

        I will refrain from the pros / cons of this comment, but in fact, everything went to the fact that:
        - Firstly, the documents were prepared by Europe and from Ukraine no changes were made to the text. They say that these are completely similar texts, supposedly for Moldova and Georgia, although one has to believe other people's opinions here. In any case, no matter what it was drawn up from, no sane person would sign such a voluminous contract with a stroke of the pen.
        - secondly, being in their right mind, they were not going to sign this agreement in the government. Only after some figs they arranged out of this whole _evro_membership_ the subject of bargaining. Or they tried to arrange a bargain, but in the end it turned out that they gave an excellent reason to set in motion a time bomb. To put it mildly, it all looks very ugly. And the flight from Ukraine, not only of Azarov, but also of some of the Opps, looks exactly like a simple flight - from everything, but from responsibility, above all!
        1. Motors1991
          Motors1991 17 February 2014 21: 38
          +2
          Do you really believe that if there were statesmen in power, they would sign documents without looking? I don’t believe this, because in my life I have signed a lot of contracts and had to fight for every comma.
      3. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 18 February 2014 14: 18
        0
        As for thieves' life throughout the country, I completely agree with you. I disagree only with the fact that the Maidan relies on a trio of clowns, who, once in power, will also continue the thieves' system in the country. We have a dilemma: there is no one even to sit on the "throne". And how to be in this situation is not even known. But definitely! The three p. Derasts cannot be allowed to come to power
    4. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 17 February 2014 20: 08
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      Having critical views and opinions on the actions of the "troika", I do not understand the author's criteria about thieves and corrupt officials, whom he calls "pragmatists-business executives seeking to develop production and export." Because a thief remains a thief in spite of his t.s. positive theft.

      Yanukovych got drunk he will come Yatsenyuk will start eating again badly, the next will come again he will have to eat so let him sit alone and well-fed maybe he will fall to the people as a result
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 17 February 2014 21: 55
        +2
        Yanukovych got drunk he will come Yatsenyuk will start eating again badly, the next will come again he will have to eat so let him sit alone and well-fed maybe he will fall to the people as a result
        Probably everyone in childhood watched the cartoon produced by "Soyuzmultfilm" "Dragon", based on the fairy tales of the peoples of Southeast Asia? If not, I recommend looking, it contains just the answer to your post. hi
    5. Ustas
      Ustas 18 February 2014 14: 42
      0
      Quote: makarov
      Because a thief remains a thief despite his t.s. positive theft.

      That's right. Here I agree with the author, GLOBAL REVISION AND CANCELLATION OF PRIVATIZATION !!! (And not only in Ukraine)
  2. tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 February 2014 15: 31
    +25
    Old Man will solve all problems in a month.
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 17 February 2014 16: 00
      +17
      Quote: tank64rus
      Old Man will solve all problems in a month.

      The golden eagle will solve all problems in an hour, but who will solve it.
      Imagine what sums can be written off for damage from the maydanutyh, and then still get to recover from the actions of the Banderlog. Remember like a classic: "three tape recorders, three cigarette cases ..."
      Nothing contributes to the rampant theft in government, as the absence of this very authority.
      1. Witch
        Witch 17 February 2014 18: 18
        0
        Quote: Arhj
        The golden eagle will solve all problems in an hour, but who will solve it.


        Especially taking into account the fact that if the Golden Eagle begins to disperse the Maydan, ordinary Kiev youth is ready to go to burn police stations - this was told to me by my brother-in-law. A normal competent man, relating to the increasingly thinning layer of the middle class ...
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 17 February 2014 20: 06
          +3
          Quote: Witch
          Especially considering that if the Golden Eagle begins to disperse the Maydan, ordinary Kiev youth is ready to go to burn police stations


          In words, she is ready until Berkut is given the command to comb them.
          And if they give Berkut an order to comb them, not a single soul will stick to the computer. Will be in social networks about the independence tryndet.
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  3. AGM-114
    AGM-114 17 February 2014 15: 34
    +1
    Failed state as is. Without a white man from Moscow, salopithecists cannot do anything on their own.
  4. sinukvl
    sinukvl 17 February 2014 15: 35
    +10
    What is happening in Ukraine is just an attempt to redistribute the spheres of influence between local oligarchs (read thieves and crooks), and no one is thinking about and thinking about anything, the people just use it as usual ... sorry, use it for your goals, as soon as the goals will be reached about the people will be forgotten as one well-known used rubber product. In other matters, and about the leaders of the Maidan too.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 17 February 2014 16: 05
      +4
      "Mi is one", the slogan, apparently, was written by a Tajik ... smile
      1. officer29
        officer29 17 February 2014 17: 11
        +3
        There is also a continuation on the poster "... people!" Well, the faces of those standing, as they say in Ukraine: "I want to tsusenat bey!" lol hi
    2. 222222
      222222 17 February 2014 17: 23
      +9
      sinukvl SU Today, 15:35 AM New
      "What is happening in Ukraine is just an attempt to redistribute spheres of influence between local oligarchs (read thieves and swindlers) .."
      Another Zionist revolution in the post-Soviet space ..
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 17 February 2014 20: 09
        -1
        single country flag must have one color

        green wassat
        1. Aryan
          Aryan 18 February 2014 09: 33
          0
          or green
          or zhovtiy
          or red
          the sphytophore also should not show all colors
          so the traffic rules are arranged
          believe me
          an old veteran of the Brownian movement wassat
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  5. Alexey M
    Alexey M 17 February 2014 15: 38
    +22
    We experienced this in the 90s when we surrendered our country ourselves. And now we are turning the pedals back at full capitalism!
    1. officer29
      officer29 17 February 2014 17: 15
      +6
      Quote: Alexey M
      We experienced this in the 90s

      But Ukraine slowed down in the 90s! I see this often, because my parents live there ...
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 17 February 2014 15: 39
    +18
    It is unclear how, under a loose government, a weak president, the Maidan opposition, UKRAINE will crawl out of the swamp.

    From time immemorial, RUSSIA scrambled out of the pit due to the strong leader of the country, and plus mobilization of the people for survival, there are no preconditions for this in UKRAINE.
    Generally some questions. what
    1. avt
      avt 17 February 2014 15: 53
      +11
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      It is unclear how, under a loose government, a weak president, the Maidan opposition, UKRAINE will crawl out of the swamp.

      request And with what kind of fright will they get out? Yes, it will only get worse, because no one solves the country's problems for the "independence" of which the throats are torn, everyone decides their own, selfish affairs against the background of the players of the Great Game, who play their moves in Ukraine. fool .... an optimist that would expect some positive decisions from the current elite of Ukraine in favor of the people of Ukraine, and the country as a sovereign state.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 17 February 2014 15: 54
      +26
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Generally some questions.

      And the same reason:
      Since the time of Kuchma, they have played it, so they have played out ... This "trinity" of city eaters is probably the nicest "landscape" of all ..
      brainless woodpeckers. Alexey, hi !
      1. gorez
        gorez 17 February 2014 17: 49
        +1
        Well done, Tersky! Accurately illuminated Amazes the dullness of a people that in the recent past was sufficiently educated ???
        1. 222222
          222222 17 February 2014 18: 48
          +2
          gorez RU Today, 17:49 ↑ New
          "The stupidity of the people, who in the recent past was sufficiently educated, is striking ???"
          Thank you, sharp .. Interesting, how is dullness and education related? and even a whole nation .. Maybe there is something else behind your phrase, your personal, innermost? Maybe it’s sexual, and you can’t ... ??
          There is no need to blame entire nations .... And imagine yourself to be God .. "God is God, Caesar is Caesar"
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 17 February 2014 20: 10
            +2
            Through the reform of education through universal egeization.
            So that the dyatiny “master's” do not differ in their bewilderment against the background of the middle peasants.
          2. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... 18 February 2014 02: 32
            +3
            Quote: 222222
            I wonder how stupidity and education are related?


            Do you read what you write? ...
            Or do you want to say that the education reform has led to an increase in the quality of knowledge ??? Have you heard what the young people said on the Maidan? Yes, the impression is that they have read two books in their life ... "Mumu" and "Anna Karenina", and even then, they forgot which one of them they put the little dog under the train ... I observed such narrow thinking in the interviewed American schoolchildren. For that fought for it and ran. Dullness and education are one side of the coin, sir.
  7. Hs487
    Hs487 17 February 2014 15: 39
    +9
    It is a pity that the zombies jumping on the Maidan are not able to realize the consequences of their actions.
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 17 February 2014 15: 53
      +15
      These zombies sincerely believe that now all their requirements will be fulfilled and tomorrow it will be better. And if it doesn’t, then we will organize another Maidan and then it will definitely be. They are not capable of analysis even at the 2 + 2 level.
      And there are also those who frankly do not care about achieving the goals of the Maidan, since they have their own goals. Opposition leaders for example.
      1. lestad
        lestad 17 February 2014 18: 43
        +2
        and they maidanyat for money
    2. Egoza
      17 February 2014 17: 30
      +9
      Quote: Hs487
      It is a pity that the zombies jumping on the Maidan are not able to realize the consequences of their actions.

      Ukraine: the collapse of a unitary state
      The most popular "profession" on the Maidan is the security guard. Having put on a helmet, armed with a bat and even a can of unknown gas, the real, racially correct patriots immediately feel in place. They call themselves “centurions”, “commandants”, but their essence remains unchanged: an ordinary healer who finally fulfilled his genetically laid dream. The secret of the police, who massively hacked in Galicia during the Second World War, is revealed. Here they are, pimply Lviv teenagers who set their own rules in a strange city for them.

      The second most popular maidan profession is the traffic cop. When the garbage was raked on Grushevsky Street, the first thought that visited the initially empty heads of the patriots was the following: where is the gate? Their ministry to the nation was threatened due to complete uselessness. However, a solution was found. Quickly welded a kind of gate, and now the Maidan "Hitler Youth" has the most important task - to regulate the movement. True, the auto flow has not yet surged, since the racially correct ones are waiting, you will not believe the OSCE mission. Only under its auspices do they seem to agree to restore movement in the center of the capital. And they will be at work. They will put on reflective vests and will wave their scanty phallic sticks, posing as "owners of the roads." Read more here ...
      http://www.versii.com/news/297431/
      1. internatio
        internatio 18 February 2014 00: 20
        +1
        Fidget is absolutely right! The OSCE and others like it have long painted the territory of Ukraine on sectors of influence, or rather, on areas of activity. For example, they plan to give education to the Swedes, water supply to the Germans, big business to the USA, etc. I know this from the Crimea, maybe by region not so?
        1. Anper
          Anper 18 February 2014 01: 42
          0
          Quote: internatio
          by regions
          long ago, everything related to electrics was sold to the Americans. They say even the Kuznetsov NPP. By the way, then you can easily explain the heroism of the Minister of Energy during the capture of the Ministry and the amazing modesty of the invaders.
  8. bubla5
    bubla5 17 February 2014 15: 48
    +10
    ! 100% some crooks want to take away or curtail power from another crook, and the EU or Russia just for cover
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 17 February 2014 16: 22
      +1
      Quote: bubla5
      ! 100% some crooks want to take away or curtail power from another crook, and the crooks of the EU or Russia just for cover

      I’ll clarify a little.
    2. zzz
      zzz 17 February 2014 17: 14
      +5
      Quote: bubla5
      ! 100% some crooks want to take away or curtail power from another crook, and the EU or Russia just for cover


      Comrades! This board is all crooks! He put the market director to everyone!

      (Garage)
  9. mountain
    mountain 17 February 2014 15: 54
    +2
    It’s ridiculous, like the Chinese in the cultural revolution, to ruin, toppled, but no one wants to take responsibility. They wait and still choose who should come to them. So smart that there is no one to rule the country.
    1. orek
      orek 17 February 2014 21: 05
      +5
      The great Chinese people had the intelligence and willpower a couple of times in 1976 and 1989 (i.e. for prevention, periodically) to allow all this revolutionary scum to gather on the square and disinfect. Somehow "so it coincided" with the beginning "demolition" in the USSR.
      Tiananmen Square - literally "the gate of heavenly tranquility." Well done. They did not allow the country to slide into chaos.
      1. Aleksandr65
        Aleksandr65 17 February 2014 22: 16
        +3
        And it is important that everything was done according to the law!
  10. Burmistr
    Burmistr 17 February 2014 15: 57
    +5
    It is sincerely a pity that the current P-resident, etc. the "opposition" play the same play or drama. It is quite possible that for some foreigners - even a comedy.
  11. individual
    individual 17 February 2014 16: 05
    +6
    By the way, for two months of Maidan riots, the budget cost more than 20 million hryvnias. (120 million rubles.)
    This does not take into account damage to burnt buildings, devastated structures, parks, pavers and infrastructure of the city of Kiev.
    So the "cookies" allocated by the sponsors of the Maidan exceed these losses.
    Well, we will wait until they announce a new one: TOTAL! belay
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 17 February 2014 17: 36
      +4
      Quote: individ
      Well, we will wait until they announce a new one: TOTAL!

      Total may turn out to be much more unpleasant than 20 million hryvnias: economist Vladislav Starinets emphasized that, among other things, the escalation of the conflict and the instability of the situation in the country will lead to Ukraine losing the foreign lending and investment market.
      “While cars are burning in Kiev, buildings explode and shoot in the streets, not a single sane investor or creditor will invest their money in Ukraine. Our country can really lose: $ 15 billion from Russia, $ 30 billion from China 20 billionthat the EU had previously promised, and even $ 15 billion from the International Monetary Fund. ” This will be TOTAL negative Yes, it is that 20 million hryvnias will seem to be child losses.
  12. Power
    Power 17 February 2014 16: 26
    -4
    Why are you separating Yanukovych from the Maidan? Gentlemen play on one hand, Together with Putin.
    1. Burmistr
      Burmistr 17 February 2014 17: 06
      +3
      The fact that the Maydanuty and Yanukovych play the same opera is understandable. About Vova - not sure.
  13. knn54
    knn54 17 February 2014 16: 30
    +3
    Panas are fighting, and at lackeys forelocks are cracking.
  14. Barakuda
    Barakuda 17 February 2014 16: 31
    +9
    I didn’t even read, to ditch, isolate these 3 freaks, and everything will be fine in Ukraine. Until new ones are paid ..
    1. makarov
      makarov 17 February 2014 18: 22
      0
      Can we learn from Big Brother how they will wet Red, Serdyukovich, Dimka Tolerast, etc.?
    2. internatio
      internatio 18 February 2014 00: 28
      +1
      Three on their own will not do the weather. Those who scattered all over the country are more dangerous than their last. Like rats from a plague ship in a port.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 18 February 2014 01: 57
      0
      Of course, you can pay for new ones. But where to get them already lured and stewed?
  15. parus2nik
    parus2nik 17 February 2014 16: 47
    +3
    The oligarchic revolution ... and then some ... apparently someone didn’t cross something, as promised for the last Maidan ..
  16. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 17 February 2014 16: 47
    +2
    Who on top lives in his world. We are only means for him ...
  17. Black
    Black 17 February 2014 16: 53
    +1
    .... Thirdly, now we will be forced to sign the Association with the EU on any, that is, very unfavorable conditions. Fourth, a very likely federalization and, as a result, a decrease in subsidized revenues to the regional budgets of the Western Ukrainian regions and cities.

    I didn't understand why "you" are now just "FORCED" !!! to sign an Association with the EU ????
    But "federalization" is what, apparently, and should be !!!!
    Oh, how to!
    1. internatio
      internatio 18 February 2014 00: 30
      +2
      For federalization, the first step is an all-Ukrainian referendum. And there is a legal basis for it for a long time.
  18. dr.star75
    dr.star75 17 February 2014 16: 59
    +6
    Without control over the media, neither in Ukraine, nor in our country. A few days ago I talked with colleagues at work on the topic of Maidan. Everything is dull. One in one stamps about the euro association. When told on the fingers, they sincerely were surprised, but why do they need it?
  19. Burmistr
    Burmistr 17 February 2014 17: 04
    +4
    The imperfection of the system of government and creates the basis for the activation of such scum. It is necessary to radically change something. Also, control over the media should be popular, not foreign. Oh, sometimes I have such nostalgia for the USSR ...
  20. paxpet
    paxpet 17 February 2014 17: 18
    -1
    I read your article, Vlad! Alas, you don’t understand anything in politics! That's the thing!
    And where is the Bendery opposition? These are just little puppet monkeys! Larger American monkeys pull the strings!
    This time. The second one. You write that what stupid rebels, they don’t understand, that with their destructive actions they only make the country worse!
    Now I will explain to you the psychology of a person robbed of power by a person who has no future. For example. I am a patriot of Russia. But for me, Russia is now occupied by thieves. And I also have no future. Why do I need a homeland in which I have no future? Yes, let everything burn with fire and blue flame! Do you understand? We will destroy the whole world of violence, and then ... And I don’t care what happens afterwards, because I don’t want to be a little person. I want to be the master. If the authorities do not want this, then let everything burn with fire !!!
    1. Walk
      Walk 17 February 2014 19: 46
      +1
      Are there any makings of a host?
    2. My doctor
      My doctor 17 February 2014 20: 03
      -2
      Offended. cha offend sad
      here is my advice to you - find the one who will protect you, well, and give a handkerchief for March 8th.
      February 23 is not your holiday. You are our patriot. Do you understand?
      It was a joke inspired by holiday shopping laughing . The problem with people like paxpet is NOT LIFEBODY.
    3. dustycat
      dustycat 17 February 2014 20: 17
      +1
      Is it easy to put a simple order in your separately taken shed or on the balcony?
      Do you have a lot of people going to meetings of owners of tenants in apartment buildings?
      Probably no more than 10-30 of 200.

      And there you look and the country will restore order.
      1. mike_z
        mike_z 17 February 2014 21: 41
        +2
        Smaller. We got so many out of 400 ...
    4. Committee
      Committee 17 February 2014 20: 28
      0
      You have a good campaign, in the title of the article there are a trinity - ethinson, Baha'is and frotman. You know, you probably will be better off with them, but not in Ukraine.
    5. orek
      orek 17 February 2014 21: 13
      -3
      [center] [/ center] For Paxpet
      I want to be a hazyain. I do not want to be a little man.
      This is ego. This is megalomania.
      Homeland is not chosen. If you are a patriot, the future is only in Russia. Or do you think that in the "civilized West" you will be a big man. ??? And if you lament that I was robbed, I was underestimated, the authorities don't like me - this is a dead end.
      Any person on this planet costs exactly as much as they PAY., or earns. Depending on the status. No other is given.
    6. skifd
      skifd 17 February 2014 23: 37
      +1
      Quote: paxpet
      I am a patriot of Russia.

      Quote: paxpet
      Why do I need a homeland in which I have no future? Yes, let everything burn with fire and blue flame!

      Quote: paxpet
      And it doesn’t matter to me what will happen next, because I don’t want to be a little person. I want to be the master. If the authorities do not want this, then let everything burn with fire !!!


      Duc "MOYDANY" and begin like that. X (r) uli, there are many "offenses", scho won’t pans ..

      Cool "patriotism", mother ..
  21. Altona
    Altona 17 February 2014 17: 19
    +5
    I will not say for politics, but I will say the old hackneyed thesis that I have heard repeatedly from ordinary people:
    "H_ho_l shukak, de beautiful, and ukіnets just pratsyuє. And so, ukrainian, so rosіyska, then no difference." Here is who strives at full steam to "Europe", you guessed who?
  22. 75mihail
    75mihail 17 February 2014 17: 23
    +2
    The saddest thing is that there is no plan for further action, all their requirements are nonsense. Today the captured regional administrations were released - i.e. back to where we started. And it was necessary to create their own organs of power, but the author is right - NETU programs. Maidan is exhausted.
  23. loginovich
    loginovich 17 February 2014 17: 25
    +4
    pragmatic business executives striving to develop production and export. The opposition requires only dictatorial powers, but not responsibility at all.]]]] Yanukovych is a pragmatist? A good joke. I am waiting for a fun article on April 1
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 17 February 2014 20: 19
      +2
      Well, what does Yanukovych have to do with it? A rattle is no better than Putin.
      But the oligrachs that before his trip to the Baltic states his brains were blown away - those are pragmatists.
  24. dojjdik
    dojjdik 17 February 2014 17: 33
    +7
    Americans' response to the failure in Syria and the inability to grab Iranian oil and gas fields - get Syria under your nose; when everyone laughed and poisoned the KGB, the USSR danced under American propaganda; Now, with the collapse of almost all of the agents, we can’t calculate the network of saboteurs even in Russia (Volgograd), and even worse with Ukraine; it would be easy to go to the organizers of these meaningless massacres if there is counterintelligence preserved since the time of the Union, as for example with Lukashenko
    1. internatio
      internatio 18 February 2014 00: 39
      +1
      Oh, citizen, you don’t know the ethnic composition of the current KGB in Ukraine now. Talk in pure Ukrainian or Russian, you will understand ....
  25. hrych
    hrych 17 February 2014 17: 36
    +5
    From these reference ... balniks you need to write different types of ancient ukrov.
  26. kafa
    kafa 17 February 2014 17: 41
    +4
    photo good this is the maydanutny version of the three heroes smile only it’s not heroes but sheriff’s assistants ... wink from the west
  27. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 17 February 2014 18: 08
    +6
    Well, is the enemy exhausted, weak? Can it be introduced into the TS or still need to be pickled? Marry no one to break off, only with Russia and only in its entirety.
  28. SibRUS
    SibRUS 17 February 2014 18: 37
    +9
    Times are changing, but one training manual!
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 18 February 2014 02: 00
      0
      Fifteen-day team, damn it! laughing
  29. Cristall
    Cristall 17 February 2014 18: 53
    +9
    As for any speeches of the "people", they usually do not go further with slogans. And the opposition leaders do not speak. The Gett Gang is the most popular slogan. Such a loyal - "sure" Everyone is dissatisfied with Yanukovych and the business of the "family". Yes all. You can play on this regardless of who is there, what kind of language he speaks.
    All at once in the EU, Ukraine and Europe is a slogan for young people ... you can't play much, but young people will feel needed in this "great" business - the introduction to European culture, by destroying the most ancient city of Ukraine.
    Bandera and other pranks with nationalists are good for the western regions.
    It is necessary to understand that for each region the necessary "chants" are selected. And in appearance everything is presented as a general idea. The idea of ​​chaos. Well, more precisely, people consciously seem to even follow a logical task - they oppose the oligarchy of the ruling regime, immediately creating another (which pays for the extras)
    Well, why does the 2004 experience not reach many? It would seem survived, remember? No, youth is the engine of today's crowd - does not remember.
    In general, to identify this center - which is trying to manipulate consciousness (no, I'm not talking about the media, this is only a part) and hit it. I was personally outraged by this hypocritical selection of the right slogan for the region.
    The problem is that the counter-game is poorly played. Yes - opa crap one's pants and the Internet is full of revealing information. But there is no general mass counter attack. Either no one, or not needed (all according to the script) or ....
  30. Lesnik
    Lesnik 17 February 2014 18: 54
    +2
    Oligarchic revolution


    No comments needed. Everything is said in the title of the article.
  31. delfinN
    delfinN 17 February 2014 19: 00
    +7
    Russia refused to give money, Europe also seems
  32. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 17 February 2014 19: 02
    +4
    Quote: Sadykoff
    Well, is the enemy exhausted, weak? Can it be introduced into the TS or still need to be pickled? Marry no one to break off, only with Russia and only in its entirety.

    The hook was swallowed completely .. You can act according to the Law! And tough .. if you do not fulfill the agreements .. The rebellion must be suppressed! (like troops pulling up)
    1. Walk
      Walk 17 February 2014 19: 54
      +2
      This should have been done in November, and now it will help a little. It is difficult to imagine a greater discredit than the surrender of the city hall not of legitimate authority, but to the representative of the EU.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 17 February 2014 20: 21
        +3
        Quote: Walk
        This should have been done in November, and now it will help a little. It is difficult to imagine a greater discredit than the surrender of the city hall not of legitimate authority, but to the representative of the EU.

        There, for 20 years already, in Ukraine, all kinds of NGOs and all intelligence services of the world feel at home .. (so it’s not so simple ..) The article was here about the former head of the SBU (he studied in the states ..) Everything is much more serious here ..and it’s not as simple as it seems .. the sluggish and smelling Maidan is more profitable than the real shootout in the center of Kiev .. The work is painstaking ..
  33. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 17 February 2014 19: 58
    +1
    Quote: Denis
    Quote: MIKHAN
    With such "Judaic" smiles as the trinity in the photo, Ukraine will definitely have a khan (if they come to power) And about the "thieves" slogans are familiar to us on the swamp all one to one (according to the manual)

    I think of the authorities, from this trio, (to be more correct, Western litter), no one will come; they will finish their dirty work under the contract.

    Clear pepper won't come! But the collapse of the economy and blood will bring .. to Ukraine (this is their task at least) .. Ukraine is trying to divert Russia from the Middle East (Syria, Iran ..) Israel and the Saudis want to turn Syria and Iran into Iraq and Libya and they are moving towards this. .! I think even Russia hints were supposedly take away the Crimea of ​​Ukraine (enter the tanks, etc. everything will be democratic and quiet) and give us Syria and Iran to be torn to pieces ..! here with ... ki ... I hope Putin will not do it ..
  34. vorobey
    vorobey 17 February 2014 20: 03
    +12
    Damn, I already cried for a bright future.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 17 February 2014 20: 15
      +4
      Quote: vorobey
      Damn, I already cried for a bright future.

      I cried crying Seeing how you reset your rating again!
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 17 February 2014 20: 30
        +9
        Quote: Apollon
        Quote: vorobey
        Damn, I already cried for a bright future.

        I cried crying Seeing how you reset your rating again!


        And why do we not remember the fifth wild boar for the fifth or sixth time.

        The lion, the king of beasts, conducts military exercises in the forest, and after the exercises analysis: Mole! says the lion. What did you say? Dig trenches, and what have you done holes in the ground? All cavalry dislocated their legs! And you’re a hare, you’ve been sent for reconnaissance, you had to sit on a stump and sit without protruding, but you sat behind a bush, your ears stick out all the strawberries burned! A sparrow and a raven are sitting on a branch upstairs, a sparrow says: Well, now they’ll get to the aircraft ... But the raven replies: What about me? .. I’ve made a nest, crashes to hell, and three hundred years of service.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 17 February 2014 20: 33
          +3
          Quote: vorobey
          And what

          Ryazan accent, I also said the same thing at one time laughing
          By the way, comments are duplicated. Change your browser to Yandex or Google.
          Good evening buddy. hi
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 17 February 2014 20: 45
            +3
            Quote: Apollon
            Good evening buddy.


            Hello brother. Apollo, I’m a bully from someone else’s computer. drinks
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      3. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 17 February 2014 20: 47
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        Quote: vorobey
        Damn, I already cried for a bright future.

        I cried crying Seeing how you reset your rating again!

        And how can I reset the rating ..?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 17 February 2014 20: 58
          +5
          Quote: MIKHAN
          And how can I reset the rating ..?


          Otmateri Romanova on the air. wassat joke.

          Write to Smirnov.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 17 February 2014 23: 22
            +2
            Quote: MIKHAN
            And how can I reset the rating ..?


            Quote: vorobey
            Otmateri Romanova on the air. joke.


            Well then, zeroing is not required, a swallow jump into the BAN !!! Like on a picture.
          2. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 18 February 2014 04: 47
            +2
            Quote: vorobey
            Otmateri Romanova on the air.

            Had tried what So he puts the infection pluses wassat Yes, and Matyuha removes from posts-Red Editor am laughing
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      4. Armata
        Armata 17 February 2014 21: 24
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        I shed a tear when I saw you reset your rating again!
        Please explain why reset the rating?
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 17 February 2014 23: 25
          +3
          Quote: Armata
          Please explain why reset the rating?

          What do I know?! Well, probably for you to ask. laughing
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 17 February 2014 23: 28
            +2
            Quote: Apollon
            What do I know?! Well, probably for you to ask. laughing


            You can’t teach, do not want to force! good
        2. kotvov
          kotvov 18 February 2014 12: 56
          0
          so that they respect or fear.
    2. generalissimo
      generalissimo 17 February 2014 21: 04
      +2
      What is such a bright future? Do you have any faces? Schwonder of high flight!
      How softly they spread about equality and fraternity! But they laid only for their own, they sleep softly! But we Slavs were never our own and for our stupidity we have what we have! True damn sleepy awful! BUT! Whether it will still be, if of course we are not wiser. Russia is our homeland! Our land! There will be no other!
      And the hut of each of us is not off the edge! And in the middle of it all!
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 17 February 2014 21: 09
        +1
        Quote: generalissimo
        What is such a bright future? Do you have any faces? Schwonder of high flight!



        good

        plus, you understand my sarcasm.
      2. housekeeper
        housekeeper 17 February 2014 22: 21
        +2
        A very similar smile Julia is just not enough wassat
    3. hrych
      hrych 18 February 2014 17: 38
      +2
      This is Ger Sparrow, you have given the scale of baldness and kutsasti beard, in decreasing order?
  35. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 17 February 2014 20: 23
    +1
    Quote: makarov
    Can we learn from Big Brother how they will wet Red, Serdyukovich, Dimka Tolerast, etc.?

    Your sarcasm is understandable, but we don’t have Maidan hi And I think if fascist fellows climbed out it would end very quickly and hard am
  36. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 17 February 2014 20: 42
    +2
    The fate of Ukraine is now being decided in the EU-US confrontation. Europe sees Ukraine as its colony, America as its. As soon as they resolve this issue among themselves, everything will be quickly resolved. Unfortunately, Russia cannot play a role in the fate of Ukraine, because its "elite" is also directly dependent on the United States and Europe, and its foreign policy resource was spent on Syria.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 17 February 2014 20: 56
      +4
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Russia unfortunately cannot play a role in the fate of Ukraine


      A moot point. Russia is now waiting for a denouement. because east and south are already on the platoon.

      The mother-in-law called, the wife yesterday communicated with the sister men for two months already without salaries. Nothing to feed families. And therefore, he wrote all of Ukraine already. Nobody will get it.

      Egoze make a similar statement. She will enlighten you in more detail.
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    3. housekeeper
      housekeeper 17 February 2014 22: 27
      +2
      Russia unfortunately cannot play a role in the fate of Ukraine
      A small clarification - while it can not. The final fireworks of the Olympics will disappear and some will have an unpleasant surprise (I hope so).
      Russia least of all needs another Syria or Iraq right near the border. Moreover, there is no serious border as such.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 17 February 2014 23: 15
        +1
        America and Europe have real political forces in Ukraine, organized people who do what they are told for money or ideas. Russia does not have such forces, no one trained militants and activists, did not feed politicians 2-3 echelons. If you wish, in the southeast now you can find a lot of these, but they need to be prepared and promoted, and there is no time for this. That is, only political statements and attempts to buy or outbid the top ones remain. And all that Russia could offer, let's say China, for political support, has already been given for support in Syria. We would have to either dance on our own, or offer China something that we didn’t really want to give, suppose support on issues of disputed islands. Or do you think China supports Russia for free.
  37. generalissimo
    generalissimo 17 February 2014 20: 54
    +2
    Everything is like a carbon copy! Oil painting! That our "oppositionists" Nemtsov and other self-appointed bastards of God in the embassy, ​​that the "square" with their mother! Happy faces! Mom gave out the salary! All frank American sixes! And also about what kind of freedom their mouths open!
  38. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 17 February 2014 21: 12
    0
    Quote: vorobey
    Quote: MIKHAN
    And how can I reset the rating ..?


    Otmateri Romanova on the air. wassat joke.

    Write to Smirnov.

    Two methods have understood ... wassat
  39. dropout
    dropout 17 February 2014 21: 25
    +1
    "It won't be fun, but not boring!"
    Let’s have fun before the bloody tears. And most importantly, you look around, there’s no one to shake your hand and no one to send. There isn’t a single politician who deserves at least minimal trust.
  40. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 17 February 2014 21: 39
    +1
    I read the posts of gentlemen under the Ukrainian flag and do not see the pragmatism in which they refuse Yanukovych. You don’t see that you need to stop already and STOP forcibly banderlogs, stabilize the situation (damn at least a top manager to hire) by spending the RF loan correctly, call elections in May (so that the candidates can present a clear economic and political program), one for Europe and another TS - that's the people and decide where ...
    1. orek
      orek 17 February 2014 22: 13
      +3
      one for Europe another for the TS - that's the people and decide where ...
      sw. Sergei. According to the law, the people "must decide where" not at the elections, but at the REFERENDUM. On what basis early elections ??? And the top managers on the Maidan (hired) by the shaft. And I didn't understand why, how to hire a manager ??? The General Director has the right to hire in any enterprise of any form of ownership. This is from a series about bees who are against honey. Do not grind nonsense.
      And gentlemen, we are all in Paris.
  41. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 17 February 2014 21: 53
    +1
    Quote: dustycat
    Quote: Motors1991
    During the summer and autumn, the Communists collected 3 (three) million signatures for a referendum on the issue of association with the EU, the law requires 1 (one) million


    And the brain to turn on why are "communists" suddenly Europeanization?
    How many rubles?
    Didn't they give you enough "privatization" and a parade of independents in 1991?
    Tyu Yo !!!

    You would understand how the Communists will vote.

    But!
    The idea of ​​a popular referendum on the most important issues is correct.
    And here the Communists, together with the people.
  42. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 17 February 2014 21: 53
    +2
    I will probably express the opinion of many by saying: As these three smiling deer have already lifted up, ready to do anything for their ambitions and dough !!!
    I sincerely hope that all this bacchanalia will be credited very strictly and in full fellow am
    Caught the eye of the article, also not bad http://expert.ru/expert/2014/08/naftalinovoe-protivostoyanie/
  43. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 17 February 2014 22: 02
    +1
    Quote: chunga-changa
    The fate of Ukraine is now being decided in the EU-US confrontation. Europe sees Ukraine as its colony, America as its. As soon as they resolve this issue among themselves, everything will be quickly resolved. Unfortunately, Russia cannot play a role in the fate of Ukraine, because its "elite" is also directly dependent on the United States and Europe, and its foreign policy resource was spent on Syria.

    If so, then there would be nothing.
    Against Sashka Europe, Frank Zero.

    The fact of the matter is that the confrontation runs along the Russia-West section.
    And thanks to the Eastern and generally all Orthodox and Communist Ukrainians for organizing this confrontation.
    For not everyone in Russia has sold out to the West.
    If at least a handful of Ukrainian heroes of anti-Maidan get the support of at least a handful of Russian heroes, Westerners kopeck.
  44. orek
    orek 17 February 2014 22: 07
    +2
    Quote: dojjdik
    Americans' response to the failure in Syria and the inability to grab Iranian oil and gas fields - get Syria under your nose; when everyone laughed and poisoned the KGB, the USSR danced under American propaganda; Now, with the collapse of almost all of the agents, we can’t calculate the network of saboteurs even in Russia (Volgograd), and even worse with Ukraine; it would be easy to go to the organizers of these meaningless massacres if there is counterintelligence preserved since the time of the Union, as for example with Lukashenko

    I would add that "the reward is to find its heroes." By analogy with their beloved leader Stepan Andreevich. In 1959 he was eliminated by the KGB agent Bogdan Stashinsky
    Let the unrighteous still do the wrong; let the unclean be filthy still; let the righteous do righteousness still, and the saint still be sanctified. Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to reward each one according to his deeds. "(Rev. 22: 11-13)
    1. Mih
      Mih 17 February 2014 23: 26
      0
      laughed and harassed the KGB of the USSR danced under American propaganda.
      Who was dancing? Khrushchev?
      Do you, with your own famine, which was organized by your revolutionaries, mostly Jews and Ukrainians, as part of a fucking government that ruined a great state, still dare to demand from Russia?
      You who entered all the tops of power? destroyed RUSSIA to the ground. Who oppressed you? Your pretension just makes you sick. Nausea is a granotomet.
  45. Mih
    Mih 17 February 2014 23: 08
    0
    Quote: Motors1991
    During the summer and autumn, the Communists collected 3 (three) million signatures for a referendum on association with the EU

    This could be expected in the days of the USSR. So what? To your beloved Fuhrer?
    I loved you, love, maybe there is ...
  46. and why
    and why 17 February 2014 23: 18
    +1
    The Ukrainian state once again did not take place, or rather, it did not "take place". In the novel "Moonzund" about the 1917s, they joked: Glad, and she herself is not glad that she is Glad.
    1. Mih
      Mih 17 February 2014 23: 47
      +1
      The Ukrainian state is a myth. Klitschko is the president?
      That's bullshit. Cossacks cannot take place as a state - this is a reality, for they are not able to control - this is a fact.
      The Americans are counting on this very much.
  47. Nikaviz
    Nikaviz 17 February 2014 23: 32
    +4
    Everything is predictable ... first they betray, then they climb into "" ... Hurray !!! GUARD..!!! SAVE ... !!!! and again friendship for the CENTURY !!!! wassat drinks
  48. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 17 February 2014 23: 45
    +2
    All three to a distant ravine! Report on the execution! The rest of the "golden eagle" will drive underground, then the SBU is working! How do you Colleagues like this scenario? But in general, there is nothing to rejoice at, since the facts stated in the article are already observed in our country.
  49. Magadan
    Magadan 17 February 2014 23: 58
    +2
    You do nothing at work - bald, with a beard, 42 years old, sit, play a computer, then click the mouse: “Oh, the boss is coming, atas!”
    __________________________________________________________________________

    It’s generally cool to say .. It’s sad that I myself began to notice such a thing :( Yeah, you certainly need to blame yourself first.
  50. studentmati
    studentmati 18 February 2014 00: 30
    +2
    The sincere desire of many Euro-Maidan people to live better was directed against them by the greedy political strategists themselves.


    Pseudo-sincere desire was imposed by political strategists. For the sole purpose of destabilizing the situation and changing the government.