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West mince in anticipation of the step of Moscow

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West mince in anticipation of the step of MoscowStrictly speaking, the “crouching” position of Maidan is a product of the indecisiveness of the parties, as the West thinks so. However, very often in the West, a crooked stone is placed in the foundation of the reasoning, hence the findings erected on this crooked foundation prove to be untenable. As a result, reality destroys this “building”, because it does not survive in real life precisely because of its unreality and incompatibility with real life.


Today it is said that both Russia and the West do not know what their next step should be. It is not true. Putin is now really busy with the Olympics, but he has long been prepared for Ukraine. Remember, the past Olympics, the President of Georgia used for aggression against Russia, killing Russian peacekeepers. If Western experts were telling the truth, they would have said that after that Olympiad, Putin would not be caught off guard, and if he doesn’t do anything about Ukraine, it’s not because he’s not ready.

However, it must be said that the assumption that Putin is not doing anything in the Ukrainian direction is extremely erroneous. Putin is active in Ukraine. There the situation is ripening from within. The measures developed somewhere in the depths of the analytical departments are aimed at a mild influence on Ukraine, although there are more drastic and tough measures in stock. However, now is the time for soft measures. Everyone knows that power in any country ultimately belongs to the people, so the American ambassador Payet and all sorts of Western well-wishers of Ukraine put pressure on this. Having no national support, they simulated it by buying zapadenskih marginals, which in the near future is not quite an easy life. Earlier, we wrote about the fact that the “millstone” of God was made in Ukraine, which grinds slowly but finely. This process is strongly fueled by Russia. It would be possible to call it the intervention of Russia, but the whole thing is that Russia's intervention is connected with the urge of the Ukrainian authorities to execute its own laws. Thus, one can hardly talk about intervention, but rather one can talk about facilitation. This is completely different from what Ukraine is doing in the west.

A previous attempt by the West to swallow Ukraine ended in a poke from Russia. For a while, the West was confused. We saw how, after helping Russia, Füle huddled in his European-style and didn’t show his nose. It was a collapse, it was a public humiliation of both the entire European Union and personally the characters who were the first activists in this matter. As a matter of fact, everything would have ended on this, but Payet jumped up and the bloodshed and first lives lost on the barricades. Payet acts as he always acted. In the hands of this man is not one human life. However, this person cannot calculate the situation, and this also follows from his past. Now brazenly putting pressure on legitimate power, he is trying to determine the future of Ukraine. In fact, legal authority is different from illegal in that it can keep the situation under control. This is the so-called ex post facto legitimization. And vice versa, if the government cannot hold back, it means that the population does not support it and therefore it is not legitimate. Such a revision of the legitimacy of power might even make sense if the United States did not interfere in the process, but in fact they initiated the process of public outrage, the United States is trying to get the result they need. Actually, this also negates the hypothetical benefit of this process and turns it into a full-fledged crime against a sovereign state. This happened many times and each time ended badly and claimed many lives of citizens of a sovereign state, and the United States hid bloody hands under white gloves. Whatever it was before, everything can and most likely will not follow the US scenario. As a matter of fact, this happens not the first time. Remember how the United States broke off in a confrontation with Russia over Iran and Syria. Putin firmly defended the peaceful way of developing relations and resolving the crisis. The question arises, if Putin has so toughly defended countries that are far from Russia, can we expect that he will surrender Ukraine? The question is rather rhetorical because the answer is obvious.

Returning to the day today, you need to start from the moment we left off. After allocating a loan of 15 billions, the humiliated West “fell” and cowardly blinked eyes expecting further Russian retaliatory strikes, but they did not follow, it happened for several reasons at once. The first is the Olympiad - Putin does not need sharp movements now. All the most important news during the Olympics must be Olympic! The second reason is that the process of increasing counteraction by the Maidan has been outlined in society. Now it is too early to attack, because tomorrow it will be possible to achieve the same results with much less means. The point is not that Putin has regretted the means, but that the information submitted to the world will be of a completely different kind. Western media will not be able to ignore the fact that the process of expelling Maidan will be headed not by Russians, but by Ukrainians themselves. This is a very important moment and Putin is counting on him. Of course, Russia will do everything to make this culture as high as possible. As a result, it will be possible to say that the Ukrainians did not take Western propaganda decisions.

Well, what about the Ukrainian government itself. The most direct way to restore manageability in the country is to control the oligarchs. They are very dependent people and it’s very easy to influence them, therefore the West chooses them as agents of influence. However, no one forbids Yanukovych to do the same. And if today the west rides on these oligarchs like horses, then Yanukovych should curb these “horsemen” and put them in his stall. These people try to make a decision depending on their own benefit, but they need to be forced to make a decision depending on the benefit of their own country. How the benefits of their own country are interfaced with the presidency of Yanukovych is a separate issue. It is important, however, to bring these people under control. Today, oligarchs feel vulnerable because of accounts in Western banks, but they should not forget that the means of production and their financial structures for raising funds for “replenishing Western accounts” are in Ukraine. What is more important to keep? Money itself has the ability to melt, but the means of production is what allows accounts to replenish. Thus, Yanukovych has levers no less effective than the west. Pressure on the oligarchy is a long overdue step. It is known that the oligarchs need a homeland to sell it more expensive. So there is no need to feel sorry for them in this game. The oligarchs in any war or confrontation are just supplies, like guns or Tanks.

In the current situation in Ukraine, some oligarchs have a different shade, they themselves tend to occupy higher places in politics, that is, we are not talking about "clean" businessmen, they are politicians. Depending on their aspirations, they are pro-Western or pro-Russian, but first of all they are businessmen. How Putin interacts with the Ukrainian oligarchs shows Yanukovych. Everyone remembers Poroshenko’s fiery speeches of the “chocolate hare” against Russia and its influence on Ukraine. As a result, now sweets in Russia of the Roshen factory are outlawed. This was not the first warning to "chocolate parsley", he missed the first ones and continued to shout against the wind. Blow with a club on the head in the form of closing the Russian market, cleared the Ukrainian oligarch brains. He shut up for a long time, but continued to "act quietly," in the hope that his activities would not be visible. Naive man! Now he has problems with one of the production structures of minibuses "Bogdan", as a result, about a hundred people can and most likely lose their jobs, and he has millions of profits.

In the top three "West, Ukraine, Russia" the strongest positions in Russia. The West will not be able to do anything with the situation, if it does not achieve a softening of Russia's financial acumen, we recall that these were debts to Russia reissued under the interest loan and the contract for hydrocarbons, which keeps the Ukrainian economy unbridled.

The price of gas at any time can return to the contract value, and the debts have already amounted to astronomical 2,5 billions of dollars. Soon, Russia will pull the bridle. This will happen the sooner the more active the west is. Thus, Putin and Ukraine sit on the kukane and the European Union. As soon as the West begins to stir up, so Putin will tug them both. Now the West is trying to find a painful threshold, that is, a place from which the real resistance of Russia will begin in order to come to an agreement from that place. The sooner Putin begins to "jerk" the west, the Europe will have to start from a lower start.

In the meantime, the consequences of the Maidan are beginning to show. Many people turned out to be in the police and got a criminal record, many people crippled their health, and there was no result, as there was not. This leads to despondency and an understanding of the futility of effort. Who will return burned cars to “zapadenskim” activists? Of course no one. Revolution costs people too much. The revolutionary spirit is lost, and the revolutionaries themselves turn into marginals and radicals, which Europe does not like at all. If Yanukovych knew about the existence of Georges Jacques Danton, he would have hopefully remembered his words: "The revolution devours its children." The great French revolutionary uttered these words before his own execution. This, of course, awaits the current revolutionaries, with the only difference that no one will cut their heads for they are empty. No one, not even Victoria Nuland, would ever suspect that Klitschko lost the talent of the prime minister. Everything is clear to everyone, in the Ukrainian politics now there are people who should serve as manure on which new politicians will ascend, for this the present must fall and turn into dust. That is what is happening now with the “Pygnibok Freedom”. As you know, next week there will be a meeting between Klitschko and Yatsenyuk with Merkel, but there is no longer any Tyagnibok among those invited.

The difference between actions in Ukraine, Europe and Russia is that Europe constantly makes statements, but does not take any steps, Russia is silent, but it does. Think about yourself, who in this position will win? While Fule goes and makes statements that all those arrested should be released, Russia is strengthening its position on the world stage thanks to the Olympic Games held at the highest level. Remember, the West tried to resist Russia, launched a scandal associated with LGBT. It would seem that the situation is advantageous for the West, but Putin found a very beautiful way out of this situation, having stopped making excuses for gays and other vermin, at the Olympics, family values ​​began to be cultivated, which affect most people around the world. Pay attention to the far-fetched question there was a natural answer. Our readers have heard many times from us that weapons Putin's is true. Now you see how easy it works: False claims of oppression of queers Putin won easily by giving everyone the usual traditional values. Here it is the power of truth! This is Putin’s super-weapon and his main merit is that every person sees this truth, he feels it with his skin. The more the West tries to deny it, the more ordinary citizens see lies and eschew liars.

What is happening at the Olympics also adds to the popularity of Russia. The matter now is not even about organizing games, although it is very high and the London Olympiad looks only like a show in the market show, compared to the current real holiday of athletes from all nations of the world. We are talking about the sports behavior of Russian. Remember история with a ski machine that refused to work for the German team, but the Russians shared their equipment with their direct competitors. It shows the openness and honesty of the Russians, it shows how much the Russian people are above Western primacy. Need an example? Remember the act of the Norwegian skier Martin Jonsrud Sundbi who crossed the track to the Russian athlete Maxim Vylegzhanin. This is all west. To achieve benefits for yourself at any cost, by any means, including using the most unscrupulous.

The situation with Ukraine also looks like a competition, and Russia will also act cleanly here, but the west is traditionally dirty. We have the right to expect decisive action from Russia, if any, but most likely Putin will use some kind of project to cool the situation and bring it back to normal. In this state of "stiffening magma", time works for Putin, but it is more correct to say for Russia, because Putin himself works for Russia too. The west still has no plan. It can be worked out after the visit of the Eurokambala to the black cuckoo in the white hut. And while there is nothing to say, Yatsenyuk declares the impossible - he must head the cabinet of ministers, which he himself will appoint. In this case, no one explains where in this case democracy. Indeed, the plans pure authoritarianism. Whether it is possible to build a clean future in a dirty way is no question for a long time.

Among the interested personalities in this story, however, it may seem strange that mainly cowards are represented. Obama is the same coward and loser as Yanukovych. Resist Putin, there is absolutely no one. The result of Ashton's visit to Washington is likely to look like this: Financial assistance to Ukraine will be promised, but it will be arranged in such a number of conditions that it cannot be called a “really expected event in the near future.” Maybe everything will be a little different. Obama may not want to turn the other cheek. Everything here depends on the mind of advisers to the American president. Everyone understands that Putin will not back down from Ukraine, as they say, do not go to my grandmother. Is Obama crazy enough to understand, another attempt to tear Ukraine away from Russia will be another deafening slap in the face to the West. Given that Obama is a coward, you should not count on something special. The question of understanding the impending misfortune. If Obama understands her, he will not do anything, but if he doesn’t understand, he can turn up with a fool, but this will not change the result. The steps of the West will be small, it will be minced, but Putin will really walk. Here, in anticipation of the Russian steps, the West and Mince.

We should expect some activity after the end of the Olympiad, and the author has reinforced concrete confidence that Putin will make the last move in this story. This means that the history of today's Ukraine will also be written by Putin, and it will be Russian history.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 17 February 2014 07: 11
    +42
    but he has everything ready for a long time about Ukraine.

    Yanukovych rests on the BERKUT-if these guys faltered and abandoned all power in KIEV would have passed to V. NULAND in the person of its representatives KLITCHKO, YATSENYUK and TYAGNIBOK.
    It is not surprising that one of the first requirements of YATSENYUK is to punish the BERKUT, I think his gut will be fine.

    Thank God that there is a powerful counterbalance against such political saboteurs in the person of EASTERN UKRAINE - there RUSSIA can always find its people - our business is to organize all-round support for them (unspoken of course).
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 17 February 2014 07: 26
      +24
      in Ukraine, some oligarchs have a different connotation, they themselves strive to occupy the highest places in politics, but first of all they are businessmen

      In-in, and they do not care about the people, business and nm what is personal. If the east of Ukraine rises ideologically and spiritually, then zapadentsy are typical mercenaries. There will be no money, they will run away.
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 17 February 2014 08: 08
        +44
        This is Putin’s superweapon and his main merit is that every person sees this truth, he feels it with his skin. The more the West tries to deny it, the more ordinary citizens see lies and shy away from liars.

        That is the truth. After the Munich speech he is rarely given such a large platform for they are afraid. Or the same Times article made a lot of noise. I’m generally silent about the Sodomites, the entire adequate part of Europe is already dreaming of cloning Putin.

        So, even taking into account many strange decisions of our government and against the background of certain problems in various fields, GDP looks great.

        Remember the act of the Norwegian skier Martin Jonsrud Sundby who crossed the track to the Russian athlete Maxim Vylegzhanin. This is the whole west. To achieve benefits for yourself at any cost, by any methods, including using the most unscrupulous.

        An example of Tyutin’s unaccounted puck against the US goal would have been perfect.

        And the Olympics itself causes itching and burning sensations at the fifth point among Western politicians and home-grown liberals. There were some interesting jokes after the opening ceremony.

        1) Dear oppositionists who are not interested in the Olympics, please do not ask the Olympics a little more quietly, since all forums are messed up with how you are not interested in it

        2) When Tretyak and his relatives carried a torch through the stadium, our entire liberal community clung to the screens and began to actively blow.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 08: 15
          -16%
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          An example of Tyutin’s unaccounted puck against the US goal would have been perfect.

          This example does not fit, the gates were moved and the judge made the decision on whether to score a goal or not.
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 17 February 2014 09: 03
            +47
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            This example does not fit, the gates were moved and the judge made the decision on whether to score a goal or not.


            The rules say that the game stops at the time of the goal shift, but it was not stopped. And after the judge spread his hands, time was not rewound (at least a minute), and the player (goalkeeper) who moved the goal was not removed by 2 minutes for the goal shift.

            According to judges from the same NHL, this puck they would have counted.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 09: 20
              -20%
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              The rules say that the game stops at the time of the goal shift, but it was not stopped.

              The gates were moved a couple of centimeters, the judge did not notice.
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              and the player (goalkeeper) who moved the goal was not removed by 2 minutes for a goal shift.

              Removed for a deliberate shift, there was no intent.
              Quote: sledgehammer102

              According to judges from the same NHL, this puck they would have counted.

              Oh, let’s start now, if they counted, then these same judges would now say the opposite.
              1. demel2
                demel2 17 February 2014 13: 13
                +14
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                The gates were moved a couple of centimeters, the judge did not notice.

                This indicates the incompetence of the entire panel of judges. Have they been removed from refereeing?
                1. alone
                  alone 17 February 2014 22: 00
                  -4
                  Quote: demel2
                  This indicates the incompetence of the entire panel of judges. Have they been removed from refereeing?


                  This suggests that you need to play real hockey. And do not wait until they reach the shootouts.
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 22: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: lonely
                    This suggests that you need to play real hockey. And do not wait until they reach the shootouts.

                    As Karpin said, after the Russia-Ukraine match (score 1-1), “I had to score two”.
                  2. alone
                    alone 18 February 2014 18: 51
                    0
                    Judging by the minuses, as I understand it, what real hockey is to play the fool for 3 periods, then just go on overtime and give everything to the shootouts. And I thought that hockey should be played differently what Thank you for prompting
          2. SAMARA
            SAMARA 17 February 2014 09: 24
            +45
            Here I do not agree with you. The referee had to stop the match, as the goal was moved .. But I think this is only an indicator that breaks all the illusions. They will not play honestly with us, anywhere. Either we win explicitly and unconditionally, or we lose. Although they are even trying to challenge clear victories. (Results of World War II)
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 17 February 2014 09: 39
              +13
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The gates were moved a couple of centimeters, the judge did not notice.


              It’s bad that I didn’t notice. Then, after the washer was canceled, it was necessary to rewind the stopwatch at the time of the shift. But about intentionality, the question here is simply

              If the gates are shifted in the struggle, then unintentionally, and if from scratch, then intentionally.

              Sometimes footballers fall into the opponent's penalty area themselves and do not claim a penalty, but they are given a yellow for a "fish"
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 10: 11
                +1
                Quote: sledgehammer102

                Sometimes football players fall into the opponent's penalty area themselves and do not claim a penalty, but they are given a yellow for a “fish

                For you wassat Here are how many yellow and to whom laughing 1m50seconds wink
                1. mig29mks
                  mig29mks 17 February 2014 21: 38
                  +1
                  they are football players always behave like heifers, which was convinced even in childhood, in a sports camp, they played gymnasts with football players just played, as they wriggled like that, they kicked the legs where the circus was and not the game !!!!!!
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 11: 10
              +1
              Quote: SAMARA
              Here I do not agree with you. The referee had to stop the match, as the goal was moved.

              Well, I didn’t stop, what will change from our argument here now?
              1. SAMARA
                SAMARA 17 February 2014 12: 08
                +5
                Absolutely nothing .. But I think I need to draw conclusions. Although they are generally more lost than we are.)) Note, no statements are loud, silence.
                1. velikoros-xnumx
                  velikoros-xnumx 17 February 2014 22: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: SAMARA
                  Absolutely nothing .. But I think I need to draw conclusions. Although they are generally more lost than we are.)) Note, no statements are loud, silence.

                  What's the point? The game didn’t solve anything. The USA and I are practically guaranteed to leave the group regardless of the outcome of this meeting, therefore the judge’s decision regarding political dividends is on hand (about 1 billion people watched the game live, they all got a great opportunity to observe American exceptionalism and democracy in the American manner in action, and in contrast to our assistance to German skiers). I think the judge should be awarded a medal for services to the Fatherland from Putin’s hands.
              2. samoletil18
                samoletil18 17 February 2014 22: 58
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well, I didn’t stop, what will change from our argument here now?

                Now, if after that a couple of our cans were thrown into their gates to them, then nothing would have changed, and so, let them play an extra game with the Norwegians, it should be good to go.
                1. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 18 February 2014 11: 25
                  0
                  and so, let them practice the extra game with the Norwegians, it should be in favor.
                  For the development of teamwork. And then overseas everything. Forgot about the fees. Good. if they still remember each other’s faces
          3. ed65b
            ed65b 17 February 2014 09: 49
            +24
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            An example of Tyutin’s unaccounted puck against the US goal would have been perfect.

            This example does not fit, the gates were moved and the judge made the decision on whether to score a goal or not.

            Hi Sanya. The gates were moved if they were, then the US goalkeeper on purpose, this is his trademark, his teammate said this. In any case, the puck had to be counted and even the US coach acknowledged this.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 10: 05
              +11
              Quote: ed65b

              Hi Sanya. The gates were moved if they were, then the US goalkeeper on purpose, this is his trademark, his teammates said this

              Hi Edik! Yes, this is a chatter to attract attention. I watched the replays and in slow motion a bunch of them on YouTube, I would not say that he did it on purpose.
              Quote: ed65b
              In any case, the puck had to be counted and even the US coach acknowledged this.

              I don’t give a damn what the US coach thinks there. If we want gold, we should beat everyone in a row and even with unaccountable shaibs, and do not disassemble what and how after two days. I watched yesterday morning’s replay yesterday’s game with the Slovaks. stars, but I spent periods 1 and 2 so that I almost fell asleep. A bunch of great players, but no team. The same thing with Slovaks, there are stars, but there’s no sense in them. A coach needs a new one so that the team plays. Two games before the shooters were brought where the fuck .... such a game.
              1. ed65b
                ed65b 17 February 2014 10: 23
                +11
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                We have a bunch of stars, but spent periods 1 and 2 so that I almost fell asleep. A bunch of great players, but no team.

                And where will it be from? came to see each other for 4 years for the first time. 2 days of training and all. and their teammates play against them; they have known each other's weaknesses for so many years together. And we have? Therefore, smear and in the minority can not play
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 11: 12
                  +3
                  Quote: ed65b

                  And where will it be from? came to see each other for 4 years for the first time.

                  All teams have a hodgepodge, but it doesn’t stop winning matches. And we didn’t stop winning the World Cup. A new coach is needed, new words or something else. And then we have in the national team, like in the government.
                  1. Gronsky
                    Gronsky 17 February 2014 11: 53
                    +16
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    All teams have a hodgepodge, but this does not stop winning matches.

                    So it’s like that, only they don’t have a crisis of national consciousness and self-identification (I’m not even talking about patriotism). Ours (if they are still ours) have long been corrupted, infected by the Western approach to life, and it is already difficult to answer who they are. Overseas, it is warm, cozy, comfortable, satisfying, the loot flows like a river, but here you need to get together, strain, and all this is free. So they ask the question - for what?
                    In general, we need new young blood, legionnaires worked out and lost material for us. We need the appeal of young KHL members, albeit not so stellar, but ambitious and energetic. We need to grow a new team, on the new principles of manning. With huge red stars on a white uniform and with the corresponding psychological pumping.
                    1. abrakadabre
                      abrakadabre 17 February 2014 14: 01
                      +5
                      We need to grow a new team, on the new principles of manning.
                      I agree.
                      The problem of the performance of the men's surface hockey team. A bunch of stars, but the team is not played at all. And all these stars are somewhere out there, far from the homeland that nurtured them. There is no such physical harmony or moral positive pumping.

                      Against this background, the women's team is a pleasant surprise. Although collected also from several clubs. But! Everyone plays at home, at home. Not once in several years, but all the time, day after day. This is morally pumping. And more opportunities for joint fees. From this, and hockey is completely different. Really looks with interest.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 03
                        0
                        Quote: abrakadabre
                        . A bunch of stars, but the team is not played at all. And all these stars are somewhere out there, far from the homeland that nurtured them.

                        Lukashenko has already tried to rebuild such a team, nothing happened.
                      2. Gronsky
                        Gronsky 18 February 2014 10: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Lukashenko has already tried to rebuild such a team, nothing happened.

                        You are an optimist, however. With these we have come to the present state.
                2. aunt
                  aunt 17 February 2014 14: 26
                  +8
                  please tell me friends, what motivator can a millionaire have in dollar, what to play not in life, but in death?
                  Team. This is not a club in the NHL, from which if trampled, then you will become a pauper.

                  I come from the USSR, when the incentive for our children of the poor was just the opportunity to become famous, and get a medal, order or promotion, and there is a good pension and work in the team for those who will not succumb to stress by then ...

                  and the millionaire, he needs something else, each with a new model, women, cars, I’m finding it difficult for God ..
                  Of course they are patriots, and they love their homeland, but you must admit that the peculiarities of the psychology of the rich have an impact. At the Olympics, their life does not end.
                  1. Gronsky
                    Gronsky 17 February 2014 15: 28
                    +5
                    Quote: aunt
                    please tell me friends, what motivator can a millionaire have in dollar, what to play not in life, but in death?
                    Team. This is not a club in the NHL, from which if trampled, then you will become a pauper.

                    This is what we are talking about. They don’t have any motive; they snickered and became American. Sliced ​​Chunk. This must be honestly acknowledged, no matter how hard Russian official propaganda tries to present them.
                    They have an idea - sweet life beyond the hill. This is not our idea, and without an idea Russian hockey cannot exist.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: Gronsky
                      This is what we are talking about. They don’t have any motive; they snickered and became American.

                      There’s another patriot, damn it. You probably when Ovechkin and Malkin beat the Slovenes, they already jumped for joy, and here you can spit on them, yes. Well done, do not choke on your saliva.
                    2. Gronsky
                      Gronsky 18 February 2014 10: 29
                      0
                      X ... you say.
                      People who have the titles of the best goalkeepers, the best players of their NHL clubs, or the league in general, get together and beat the Slovaks in half .... With such success, you will soon be happy about winning against the Burkina Faso team if it appears in the near future.
                  2. abrakadabre
                    abrakadabre 18 February 2014 11: 36
                    +1
                    and without an idea, Russian hockey cannot exist.
                    Exist - maybe.
                    But to live, develop and win - NO.

                    The girls just see it. all of the above is there: a club-work at home, a family right there, homeland itself in you and around you around the clock, every single day, fans and fans (who are more and more with such a game) - here they are, burning with support. The whole country is behind and there is nowhere to retreat. All components for the fight on the spot.
                    I enjoy watching their game.
                    My wife used to treat men's hockey with indifference or rejection. And here I was so sick for the girls that I almost jumped on the couch. And now it clearly tracks every game.
                    wassat
                3. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: aunt
                  , friends, what kind of motivator can a millionaire have in dollar, what to play, not life, but death?

                  And what would you write if ours won all three matches? Probably cheers. How many people here want not to look for problems, namely to crap their own team.
                  Yes, there is much less patriotism in you than in these millionaires.
                  1. abrakadabre
                    abrakadabre 18 February 2014 11: 42
                    0
                    I’m not trying to drench our team. There is simply a problem. So many misses in the programs, so many unrealized moments that would not have been in a normally played team.
                    For such a stellar cast, the current level of the game is a solid three.
                    This is a problem not only of each player personally, just each of them is a master. But the problem is more of those who make a team out of a bunch of players - a single organism that can roll away any enemy. Why so - there are many reasons. First of all, of a financial nature. As well as coaching and so on.
            2. Hitrovan07
              Hitrovan07 17 February 2014 13: 07
              +6
              so most of the national teams are made up of NHL players, and also "saw each other for the first time in 4 years." Therefore, "Alexander Romanov" is right - since they cannot win on their own land at the Olympics, then the conversation is no longer there. Therefore, the example with skiers is bright and sufficient for analyzing the behavior of Western people.
              1. aunt
                aunt 17 February 2014 14: 32
                +6
                I am not a skier, although I support all of us in all competitions.
                I can’t understand, fucking them into the soul, why did the Swedish old woman lag behind like ours and pulled so that 1 came in the relay. And ours, apart from Ivanova, only lagged behind. They are fed the wrong way?
                Imagine people for 20 years (!!) are engaged in skiing.
                And such results.
                Questions arise: 1. Why in preparation for testing readiness and capabilities did not show the honest state of the athletes.
                2. If a husband, a trainer, a wife and a sportswoman work in pairs, is objective selection possible, given the monetary sub-basis?
                difficult questions. I don’t have answers, but I’m not a defendant. But what do sports bosses tell us? They bought the wrong ski system, the snow melted inappropriately, the exhaust in front of the runners reduced the concealment .....?
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 17 February 2014 17: 35
                  +4
                  Quote: aunt
                  . What they feed wrong?

                  You yourself answered your own question. It seems to me that they are all sitting on doping, unknown to us and not leaving marks in the blood and urine. I used to hear a bike that many Norwegian skiers were asthmatics and they were allowed to take medicine. I don’t know how much it is, but according to their victories, it seems to be true. So there are a lot of ambiguities and questions.
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 18: 18
                    +4
                    Quote: СРЦ П-15
                    I used to hear a bike that many Norwegian skiers were asthmatics and they were allowed to take medicine

                    These are not tales ...
                    In Vancouver, virtually all Norwegian skiers and skiers, without embarrassing video and cameras, used inhalers.
                  2. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 17 February 2014 18: 53
                    +3
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    These are not tales ...
                    In Vancouver, virtually all Norwegian skiers and skiers, without embarrassing video and cameras, used inhalers.

                    This confirms my fears: foreigners are taking drugs unknown to us. We were intimidated by scandals with doping of our athletes. Now our trainers, "burnt in milk, blow on the water." Hence the failures of our skiers. We need to do something about it.
                  3. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 19: 14
                    +3
                    Quote: СРЦ П-15
                    foreigners take drugs unknown to us

                    Races to create effective and "elusive" doping are going on around the world, like applied research of the military-industrial complex. Nobody advertises this. But the results are visible in the competition.
                    In the course, hi-technology, too - see German sled victories ...
                    Holland - skates - both, with their "Dutch bread" ...
                  4. Sid.74
                    Sid.74 17 February 2014 20: 46
                    +2
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Holland - skates -

                    Ilyich, about the Dutch skaters today I learned from them 38% of the population watches runners, skates are more popular than football! This is a massive sport! And 26 stadiums are suitable for this! Oh, how! So they have the opportunity to choose the best of the best!
                  5. Sid.74
                    Sid.74 17 February 2014 20: 50
                    +7
                    Cheers comrades !!!!! Zubkov and Voyevoda new bobsleigh champ in twos !!!!!
                  6. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 21: 01
                    +3
                    Quote: Sid.74
                    about the Dutch skaters today I learned from them 38% of the population watches runners, skates are more popular than football! This is a massive sport! And 26 stadiums are under this business! Oh how!

                    Eugene, welcome!
                    Athletes themselves say that all conceivable athletic capabilities of a person are exceeded a long time ago. You can hone the technique, build muscle. But the problem of endurance concerns not only the world of Big Sports, it is the interest of military laboratories - how to raise the muscle tone of a soldier on the battlefield.
                  7. Sid.74
                    Sid.74 17 February 2014 21: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    But the problem of endurance worries not only the world of Big Sport, it is the interest of military laboratories - how to raise the soldier’s muscle tone on the battlefield.

                    hi I understand that! There is a billion business there!
                    But even we do not have so many closed stadiums! Only the last couple of years have gone shifts! In general, I discovered a lot of good sports for myself thanks to the Olympiad! And curling because of girls and short track from our already Korean! yes
                    So, under the winter sports stadiums are needed! Now Sochi will be the support of the athletes!
                    And we came to the second command position at the Olympics with 17 medals! We cheer on urine for our dear to heart athletes! good
                  8. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 22: 23
                    +5
                    Quote: Sid.74
                    And ours went to the second team position at the Olympics with 17 medals! We cheer that there is urine for our athletes dear to our hearts

                    No words, happy good
                    Quote: Sid.74
                    But even we do not have so many indoor stadiums!

                    On approaching Amsterdam, you can see a lot of football fields in the porthole.
                    The experience of Soviet sports boarding schools is being exploited by China - the results are already visible.
                    Quote: Sid.74
                    And curling because of the girls and the short track from our already Korean!

                    I remain an ardent fan of women's beach soccer laughing
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                2. abrakadabre
                  abrakadabre 18 February 2014 11: 46
                  0
                  how to raise the muscle tone of a soldier on the battlefield
                  Do not even raise, but save the necessary long time.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 15
      +1
      Quote: aunt
      I am not a skier, although I support all of us in all competitions.

      Yeah, ill, I read already ....
      Quote: aunt
      friends, what kind of motivator can a millionaire have in dollar, what to play not for life, but for death?

      Quote: aunt
      Team. This is not a club in the NHL, from which if trampled, then you will become a pauper.

      They didn’t take Mozyakin to the national team, but he did not become a pauper, as did Morozov and Zaripov. You don’t understand what you are writing about.
      Quote: aunt
      1. Why in preparation for testing readiness and capabilities did not show the honest state of the athletes.

      Who told you that this is not done?
      Quote: aunt
      2. If a husband, a trainer, a wife and a sportswoman work in pairs, is objective selection possible, given the monetary sub-basis?

      Do you know Julia Chepalova? Who was her coach?
      Quote: aunt
      difficult questions. I have no answers, but I'm not a defendant

      Yes it is noticeable
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 17 February 2014 11: 36
    +20
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    sledgehammer102

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov

    Having intervened in your dispute, I can say one thing. In such cases, the legendary “Red Car” Tikhonov took revenge by continuing to play, scoring and winning.
    And not the legendary "tricolor cart", while I can not name our team in any way, it continues to chew snot.
    There is no game. Courage. Every one of them is a hockey star, but for some reason everyone is lost together.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 12: 47
      +12
      Quote: baltika-18
      There is no game. Courage. Every one of them is a hockey star, but for some reason everyone is lost together.

      I’m writing about this, the team’s game is played by the coach, if there is no game, the fuck is from the beach. And in general, after indelible disgrace, when the USA put 8 Shaib at us at the World Cup last year, Belyaletdinov should have resigned with the same disgrace ,but no. So we’re sitting here on the site and in front of the TV sets and we hope that we are lucky. It is for luck, and not for the game of super players of a powerful team, which should be !!!
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 17 February 2014 13: 26
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Belyaletdinov should have resigned with the same disgrace, but no. So we’re sitting here on the site and in front of the TV sets and we hope that we will be lucky. It is on luck, and not on the game of super players of a powerful team, which should be !!!

        there, not only Belyaletdinov was supposed to leave the beach, but also the NHL players ...

        think for yourself, well, when does the national team play and train, if their contracts are above all?
        I think that if they made a team of KHL players, they would play more efficiently ...
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 17 February 2014 17: 21
          +6
          Quote: DanaF1
          there, not only Belyaletdinov was supposed to leave the beach, but also NHL players ..


          No need to talk about our players. They came and played ... Everyone is modestly silent about the state of affairs in our hockey industry ... Crazy grandmothers (which do not need to be worked out) make NHL star Kovalchuk a mediocre KHL player who would not be able to play such a game even in Vityaz have taken. If this money were sent to children's and youth schools, in 10 years we would have the same choice of players as in the USSR, when 3 people applied for one place.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 17 February 2014 18: 09
            +3
            Quote: Semyon Semyonich
            No need to obscure our players.

            none of our players obscures ...
            I’m saying that motivated people should play, who have time to play as a team ...
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 20: 42
            +3
            Quote: DanaF1
            I say that motivated people should play

            The motivation of the players should be handled by the head coach and this is his main task. That's what VV Lobanovsky said.
          3. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 17 February 2014 20: 55
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            The motivation of the players should be handled by the head coach and this is his main task.

            as a person giving lectures on staff motivation, I will tell you the following: if a person has the most important motivation - money and status, then you motivate him with something else ...
          4. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 21: 15
            +4
            Quote: DanaF1
            as a person lecturing on staff motivation

            Madam, take off my hat hi
            Quote: DanaF1
            if a person has the most important motivation - money and status, then figs you motivate him with something else ...

            Let me remind you of the Olympics-80 as the clearest example of the motivation of Amer’s students by their coach.
          5. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 00: 01
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Let me remind you of the Olympics-80 as the clearest example of the motivation of Amer’s students by their coach.

            and what was there?
            I do not know...
          6. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 24
            +1
            Quote: DanaF1
            I do not know...

            Perhaps he means when the Super team of the USSR lost the final of the Olympiad for the US student team.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 23
    0
    Quote: DanaF1
    I’m saying that motivated people should play,

    Dana, any athlete’s motive is the gold of the Olympics. Money is not the main thing here.
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 08: 37
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    any athlete’s motive is the gold of the Olympics. Money is not the main thing.

    I'm afraid that for such commercial types as NHL hockey, the opposite is true ...

    as demonstrated more than once in recent years ...
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 08: 55
    0
    Quote: DanaF1

    as demonstrated more than once in recent years ...

    Yeah, when Canadians all made up of the NHL win gold, how's that? Or the same Swedes who have a lot of them in the team. Dana, you are forgivable to you a lady, but do not go too far.
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 10: 29
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Yeah, when Canadians all made up of the NHL win gold, how's that? Or the same Swedes who have a lot of them in the team

    maybe then the matter is in specific people?

    just imagine the situation if the players are given a choice, either the NHL or the Olympics ... what do you think they will choose?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 13: 13
    0
    Quote: DanaF1
    either the NHL or the Olympics ... what do you think they will choose?

    I think the Olympics hi It's not about money, but in the style of the NHL and KHL games, they play more in the NHL, more games in the championship. As for the money, for example, Malkin got 300 million rubles playing here with a lockout in the NHL a year hi Someone like the game in the NHL, and someone like the KHL, a matter of taste and no more.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 22
    0
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    No need to obscure our players

    I wanted to support you, but after reading further ..
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    make NHL star Kovalchuk a mediocre player in the KHL, who with such a game would not even be taken to Vityaz

    Crap Kovalchuk, so crap, well done.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 18 February 2014 22: 46
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Crap Kovalchuk, so crap, well done.


    Separate the grain from the chaff. A simple statement of fact.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 20
    +1
    Quote: DanaF1
    there, not only Belyaletdinov was supposed to leave the beach, but also the NHL players ...

    Aha, that means we are throwing Malkin, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk and Datsuk out of the team, in short, all those who score shaiba with us, yes belay Dana Obama will kiss you for this and Canadians too laughing
    Quote: DanaF1
    I think that if they made a team of KHL players, they would play more efficiently ...

    We had such an experience in history, as a result we won nothing.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 17 February 2014 17: 10
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    This is what I am writing about, the team’s game is made by the coach, if there is no game, the fuck is from the beach.


    The main matches are ahead. Here we will judge by them. How many world championships in this style did the Czech team win - do you recall?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 26
      0
      Quote: Semyon Semyonich

      The main matches are ahead. Here we will judge by them

      Did you write to me that the game with the USA is ahead, will we judge by it?
      Quote: Semyon Semyonich
      . How many world championships in this style did the Czech team win - do you recall?

      And how much did we lose to remind you and to whom and with what score at the last Olympics? Or can it remind you how the French managed to tarnish?
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 18 February 2014 22: 48
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And how much did we lose to remind you and to whom and with what score at the last Olympics? Or can it remind you how the French managed to tarnish?


        This is generally what? I’m talking about your tantrum about a not very successful start. I do not see this tragedy.
  • abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 17 February 2014 14: 04
    +4
    After all, each of them is a hockey star, and all together for some reason are lost.
    Because, implicitly, they are not one team of a great country, that they must break everyone for it through the impossibility. And a crowd of starry men who cannot decide which of them is starier.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 26
      0
      Quote: abrakadabre
      . And a crowd of starry men who cannot decide which of them is starier.

      Do not like it, do not look.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 18 February 2014 11: 51
        +1
        Do not like it, do not look.
        That is, do you think that if I do not watch the match, ours will immediately begin to play better? Mystery, however.
        wassat
  • rolik
    rolik 17 February 2014 14: 35
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    A bunch of great players, but no team

    Here it is, the most important thing! No team. And where will it come from if NHL players arrive 2 days before the start of the first match. Where will the teamwork come from ???? Everyone plays on himself. For a full-fledged game, the team must recreate the CSK, as it was in the USSR. It was already a team that constantly played and was in good shape.
    1. kenig1
      kenig1 17 February 2014 15: 05
      +2
      All in equal conditions.
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 17 February 2014 22: 47
      +1
      Quote: rolik
      recreate CSK as he was in the USSR

      And who will give the money? In St. Petersburg SKA is tastier. In the NHL, if you need one, a contract with six zeros is mandatory. It’s easier to go to the European championships than to join the KHL, MHL, VHL every other day. Huge salaries, no matter geographically where, killed CSKA as a gathering place for domestic stars, cherished by Tarasov and Tikhonov. Until hockey courts revive in every yard and a new generation grows up in these boxes, any prize in any international tournament will remain a feat.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 February 2014 04: 27
      0
      Quote: rolik

      Here it is, the most important thing! No team. And where will it come from if NHL players arrive 2 days before the start of the first match. Where will the teamwork come from ??

      And in other teams, what’s different? And it did not bother us to win the World Cup, it's good to write garbage.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 18 February 2014 05: 44
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And in other teams, what’s different?

        Why do you think I'm not on the site? what I watched the first winter olympiad in my conscious age in 76 g of the last century. And I don’t have words on what happens without a mat request It’s necessary to shave everything that is possible so that we would bring medals at the home olympiad brought by a Korean who accepted Russian citizenship fool am
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 18 February 2014 05: 49
          +2
          and silver with Vitya was taken by a man who played for Ukraine. He is being trained by a Frenchman. What are alive as a single Korean? What makes him swear in today's situation?
          The Dutch took 16 medals in one form, is that an indicator? Why slander that. Fail, failure ....
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 18 February 2014 05: 54
            +1
            Quote: Gleb
            What in today's situation makes you swear?

            Kuzmina Domracheva Hockey through qualification One loner in men's skiing Biathlon as a whole Skiing In our country, skiing in each pantry Track in the nearest park Everyone who served in the Soviet Army fulfilled a certain standard that was oh no weak Continue to continue?
          2. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 18 February 2014 05: 56
            +1
            Quote: Gleb
            and silver with Vitya was taken by a man who played for Ukraine

            And what exactly is Vitya hi good drinks Due to his skill he dragged him to silver? Only he is not eternal request
          3. Hleb
            Hleb 18 February 2014 06: 02
            +1
            Yes, I generally screamed at the TV when he pulled us into the finals. And what they did in the finals .... everything was thought out correctly
          4. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 18 February 2014 06: 06
            +2
            I also good Today I screamed like a cut when Zubkov and Voivode took Gold drinks fellow And now a little analytics - Head Coach Luders good Champions good What is the olympiad at Zubkov? A little less than that of Demchenko. Well? what
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 17 February 2014 17: 06
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    The coach needs a new one so that the team starts playing. Two games before the shootouts have brought where the hell .... such a game.
    ...

    Do not count your chickens before they are hatched...
  • Hleb
    Hleb 18 February 2014 06: 00
    +1
    their goalkeeper is thoughtful) everyone there is sinning little by little (Jan Lazio)
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 18 February 2014 06: 09
      +1
      Quote: Gleb
      their goalkeeper thoughtful

      Classic power-all-within the rules request
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 18 February 2014 06: 20
        +1
        Lazo's typo the name of the collar. This is a violation-Tereshchenko did not own the puck. The judge judged the moment correctly
  • Dilshat
    Dilshat 17 February 2014 23: 02
    0
    There is one more point: the NHL released Russian stars to the Olympics with the condition that the judges of the NHL will also be at the Olympics. Our sports officials agreed: how can we win hockey without NHL stars? So the Americans used their "bonus". it would seem much easier to give the choice to the hockey players themselves: Who are they, NHL players or members of the Russian national team?
  • Nick
    Nick 17 February 2014 23: 23
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    This example does not fit, the gates were moved and the judge made the decision on whether to score a goal or not.

    It fits! Alexander.
    1. Who moved the gate?
    2. Why the game after the goal was not stopped by the referee?
    3. Citizenship of a judge?
    When you know the answers to these questions, you will understand that the example is quite suitable ...
    Sincerely ...
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 17 February 2014 15: 45
    +5
    I would like to add, I am not a fan of GDP in domestic politics (failure in the economy, rampant corruption of officials and snickering oligarchs), well, God be his judge, but what he does in foreign policy is aerobatics, Syria, Iran, Ukraine backfired amerikosam and Europian "leberasts" that the teeth will be treated for a long time, and maybe even the jaw. And how our "Russian leberasts" howl in the face of Shenderovich, an unknown writer, he remembered his own surname - Robinovich, Sobchak and all their hop company, says that "Comrade Putin is on the right path." If we put things in order at home, then all this trash - Russian, American, Europind, will be just like grandfather Krylov's "pug barks at an ELEPHANT", an aspen stake in one place ....
  • Gronsky
    Gronsky 17 February 2014 11: 42
    +5
    Quote: ele1285
    then zapadentsy - typical hirelings. There will be no money, run away.

    You are mistaken, wuyki kakraz are very ideological, unlike the infantile representatives of the east and south. Plus, of course, financially heated. It takes a lot of money to hold the Maidan for so much time, to dress, to shoe the militants. But they will not end up cramping, customers need a specific result - the displacement of Yanukovych, the rise to power of their people and the dragging of Ukraine into the pidosoyus. Recent events are vivid evidence of this, the result is zero, the Maidan is slowly starting to curl up, other methods will be applied.
    And for the east to stir, they need to be killed. Then the east will be combed.
    1. officer29
      officer29 17 February 2014 21: 05
      +3
      Quote: Gronsky
      for the east to stir, they need to be killed. Then the east will be combed.

      In Western Ukraine, they believe that the East is solid bandits. They have it in their heads that "shidnyak, or a bandit"! And in the East - everyone who lives west of the Dnieper is solid Bandera! In western Ukraine, traditional unemployment, even in Soviet times, most of the male population went to seasonal work. And the most interesting thing is that they did not go to work in Donbass, but preferred to go to Russia for seasonal work. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the out-of-pocket industry was reoriented to Eastern Europe, especially since they did not have a big language barrier. There was even a period when residents of the border regions of Western Ukraine traveled abroad with an internal passport! Now it is winter and the Westerners are forced to mess around, so clever heads sent them to the "Maidan". Some for the idea, and some for pennies. In the eastern part of Ukraine, everyone traditionally works, multinationality, traditional ties with Russia, both cultural and economic, and related, two out of three families in Donbass have relatives in Russia! A small conclusion: banderlog especially have nothing to lose, so they are midan, and the dwellers are afraid of losing their jobs and think that with their work they can ensure peace and a normal existence. But it's better not to bully the East ... The East is a delicate matter! hi
      1. Gronsky
        Gronsky 17 February 2014 23: 52
        +1
        You said everything correctly, but this does not negate my assertion that the East is infantile and not inclined to take decisive action. Maybe because of the tightness of life - work, the desire to feed, survive in the "ideal" conditions of Ukraine, a different mentality, the level of education and critical thinking is higher. Look at the same pro-Russian-minded Cossacks, these are clowns, with their whips, hats and stripes, and look at the militants in Kiev, these are close-knit, combat-coordinated, trained and psychologically-minded detachments. Their rhetoric alone is worth something, let alone actions. How they beat the people of Kiev who tried to disassemble the barricades this weekend.
        This is blood, genes - worthy of the granddaughters of their grandfathers that were not cut by Stalin.
        For the east to become just as decisive, he needs a shake-up, crossing the red line, then of course the banderlogs end, there are no options. But we must understand that this is a great massacre, but I would not want to.
  • So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 17 February 2014 19: 31
    +5
    Time passes, the Pepsi generation is growing up, children are being brainwashed in schools. This means that nothing comes up for us because we have no idea. And capitalism makes you appreciate only yourself, how to grab more. You need to start with yourself, educate your children, make them learn ...), go to church, confess and receive communion, yourself at least once every six months ... Then look and the world around will change for the better.
  • SHILO
    SHILO 17 February 2014 10: 27
    +8
    it is control over the oligarchs. They are very dependent people and it’s very easy to influence them, therefore the West chooses them as agents of influence. However, no one forbids Yanukovych to do the same. And if today the west rides on these oligarchs like horses, then Yanukovych should curb these “horsemen” and put them in his stall.

    It’s ridiculous. The author forgot that Yanyk himself is an oligarch. Together with his whole family. laughing
    1. zzz
      zzz 17 February 2014 10: 44
      +3
      Quote: SHILO
      It’s ridiculous. The author forgot that Yanyk himself is an oligarch. Together with his whole family


      The author remembers all this. Only now we are talking about preserving the whole of Ukraine! And here it’s especially not necessary to choose, the lesser of the two evils.
      1. SHILO
        SHILO 17 February 2014 11: 32
        +3
        Quote: zzz
        The author remembers all this. Only now we are talking about preserving the whole of Ukraine!


        You do not understand me - the key phrase: therefore the west and selects them as agents of influence talks about everything.
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 17 February 2014 13: 29
      +3
      Quote: SHILO
      The author forgot that Yanyk himself is an oligarch. Together with his entire family.

      It's not that Yanyk is an oligarch ...
      the fact is that I doubt his ability and will to curb at least someone ...
      and this is very scary, because a little bit more Ukraine will give birth to an "unknown animal" ...
      1. aunt
        aunt 17 February 2014 14: 43
        +2
        in the 90s a generation of punks (I'm not talking about the whole part of the people) grew up, half-bandits, boys, bayonets, etc.
        Their main character trait is no habit of thinking. They are executive.
        Neither left nor right. They always need clear directions. When they don’t come, they rumple, press and try to buy time ... if only they wouldn’t decide something ... it’s not iron.
      2. uizik
        uizik 18 February 2014 00: 17
        +2
        It is precisely said that she will give birth to an unknown animal! In Ukraine, especially in the periphery, where it’s still calm, everyone is waiting for something not clear. The unknown scares the average man.
    3. aunt
      aunt 17 February 2014 14: 40
      0
      Well, maybe you forgot that there are different oligarchs.
      One has 500 million oligarch dolars, and the other 10 billion ..
      the first is considered a beggar .. and the second is an oligarch for him :)
      1 billion is 1000 million, 10 billion = 10 thousand million.
      if we reduce zeros, then one has 0.5 and the other has 10 thousand.

      how does a person with a fifty dollars in his pocket feel when he is standing next to thousands?
    4. uizik
      uizik 18 February 2014 00: 11
      0
      All right! But the president has any power gained as a result of the elections. He wants to keep it, and will have to curb the oligarchs who are not keeping up with him.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 17 February 2014 13: 05
    0
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    our business is to organize for them all-round support (unofficial of course).

    And why the unspoken? Who to be afraid of?
    1. demel2
      demel2 17 February 2014 13: 27
      +2
      Because it is unspoken that if Ukraine falls apart the West will blame Russia for everything, and we have enough of our problems with separatism. Therefore, we can’t climb headlong.
      1. yur
        yur 17 February 2014 22: 42
        +1
        Quote: demel2
        Because it is unspoken that if Ukraine falls apart the West will blame Russia for everything, and we have our own
        You might think that if Ukraine does NOT fall apart, then the West will not blame Russia for this. For the West we will always be to blame, therefore we need to pay less attention to their cries and do what is beneficial to us.
  • So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 17 February 2014 19: 26
    +1
    Thank God that there is a powerful counterweight against such political saboteurs in the person of EASTERN UKRAINE - there RUSSIA can always find its people - our business is to organize all-round support for them (unofficial of course)


    Russia everywhere in Ukraine, except for the western one, can and must find its people. The only thing I would like is a common unifying idea for the Slavic peoples.
    1. alone
      alone 17 February 2014 22: 04
      +1
      Russia has stopped playing the hockey we are used to. The style of the Soviet school of hockey is forgotten. Everyone plays the North American style. Throwing the puck into the zone and power wrestling. There is no such technique. There is no meaningfulness, implementation is zero. Even in most cases it is possible to score very rarely. was under Tikhonov. The rest is only an illusion. Here is such a failure.
  • belmondi
    belmondi 18 February 2014 00: 44
    +1
    that he "COBRA" already punished, and what ????? Feel better ????
  • NOMADE
    NOMADE 17 February 2014 07: 12
    +1
    Well, God forbid, that would be so.
    1. Aryan
      Aryan 17 February 2014 21: 05
      +2
      West mince in anticipation of the step of Moscow
      Well, it's hard to run with your pants down laughing
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  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 17 February 2014 07: 12
    +6
    As I understand it, and after the Olympics will be needed popcorn. And the first Olympic is quickly being re-assigned to the first political. Although if we lie, we will see something spectacular from Ukraine. There, the whole struggle will be in the quiet of the security cabinets, and the Americans love the show with pyrotechnics, heavy equipment, and extras.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 07: 19
      +14
      Quote: FC Skif
      As I understand it, and after the Olympics will be needed popcorn.

      Yes, right after the Olympics, everything will change, Russia will launch an offensive on all fronts, which will end with the assault of Washington and the landing of the Airborne Forces on the Moon and Mars laughing
      As for the United States, they stupidly rely not on those. One stupid boxer, a second rabbit yap and a third Nazi. If Obama expects to win with such allies, he is dumber than Bush himself.
      1. Denis
        Denis 17 February 2014 07: 32
        +18
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        he’s dumber than Bush himself.

        Yes, they are all stupid .. I wish in the morning neighing over them ..
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 08: 13
          +5
          Quote: Denis
          Yes, they are all stupid ..

          26% full! The remaining 75%, as in your photo laughing
          One in four Americans does not know that the earth revolves around the sun
          To the question - “Does the Earth revolve around the Sun or does the sun around the Earth” - 26 percent of respondents answered incorrectly.http://politobzor.net/show-13097-kazhdyy-chetvertyy-amerikanec-ne-znaet-chto-zem
          lya-vraschaetsya-vokrug-solnca.html
          1. Denis
            Denis 17 February 2014 08: 31
            +28
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            26% full! The remaining 75%, as in your photo
            1. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 17 February 2014 21: 51
              +2
              Thank you, I was laughing so hard that for two minutes I could not put the cursor on plus good
          2. aunt
            aunt 17 February 2014 14: 46
            0
            they didn’t ask ours?
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        3. alexng
          alexng 17 February 2014 12: 57
          +3
          The boys who were raised by rams successfully adapted in modern society and one became a liberal, the other a Natsik, and the third a moron, etc. by the list ...
      2. Vladimir 70
        Vladimir 70 17 February 2014 08: 57
        +3
        As for the United States, they stupidly rely not on those. One stupid boxer, a second rabbit yap and a third Nazi. If Obama expects to win with such allies, he is dumber than Bush himself.
        This is where the West is acting right! For the West, a stupid nag, a rabbit, a drawer is just a consumable. Over their heads, the West will push chocolate bunny. What is very bad.
        1. Egoza
          17 February 2014 10: 08
          +15
          Quote: Vladimir 70
          The West will push chocolate-bunny.

          Poroshenko is ready to solve all problems in one fell swoop The opposition is ready to take responsibility for getting the country out of the economic crisis, said non-factional MP Petro Poroshenko. "The opposition today is ready to take responsibility for getting out of the economic collapse into which these non-Ukrainian officials have led," he said today during a speech at the veche in Ivano-Frankovsk. "We take power, take responsibility upon ourselves, sign the Association Agreement, draw up honest and transparent reforms, which in a very short time will demonstrate and give each of us the opportunity to say: friends, I am happy, it is not for nothing that we went to the Maidan, it is not for nothing that we and for months they demanded the truth, demanded freedom, "the people's deputy explained. According to Poroshenko, Ukraine's economy has been brought to a "terrible state" in four years. According to his calculations, "every hour of their stay in power, including weekends, including the night, every hour the state debt of Ukraine grew by $ 1 million."
          Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-138655.html
          That's just what people write in response to his statements !!!!laughing
          - Petya, tell me better what you brought the country's economy from 2005 to 2010. Tell me how much you and your dad destroyed sugar factories and confectioneries, you economist fucking. Tell me, what shit do you make Have you already repaired Vinnitsa Regional State Administration? The main invader there was your son.

          -Agreement has long been signed. Back in 1994 with Frost. May Europe give 160 billion for our disarmament! Such was the contract and here it is - his testimony still hangs on the website of the parliament: http://zakon4.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/998_012

          -Ukrainian Valtsman takes power and responsibility ... With the new thriller you.

          -And who prevented the owner of factories, factories, ships from making European working conditions and the same wages for their own workers? How many businesses has the “caring” killed, depriving people of jobs and livelihoods? And was it not he who doubled his fortune under this bandit power! And let those who wish go to "abossion" only after the partition of the country, my family has nothing to do there.

          -And, don't you remember how in 2004 he brought Yulka into the Cabinet of Ministers on his shoulders and shouted "You will crush Yulia", sorry they did not run over)))

          -You watch how the creatures seized Ukraine - at any cost, even through blood, to sign a colonial agreement. The main goal is to finally kill the country's economy by breaking ties with Russia.
          1. zzz
            zzz 17 February 2014 10: 36
            +9
            Quote: Egoza
            Poroshenko is ready to solve all problems in one fell swoop


            But can Poroshenko himself be solved in one fell swoop? For example, how is Berezovsky?
            1. 222222
              222222 17 February 2014 12: 46
              +8
              I love chocolate, but we haven’t bought ROSHEN for more than a month, although it is getting cheaper ..
          2. Amateur
            Amateur 18 February 2014 00: 31
            +1
            Poroshenko's motivation is understandable. If the "Maidan" had the upper hand, then the oligarch would have received a "grain" place in power closer to financial flows and with influence on decision-making. Thus, I would expand my prospects in business, and would increase my capital. And in case of defeat, nothing "shines" for him except financial and image problems in business, up to ruin. So he crawls out of his skin, trying to contribute to the victory of the "revolution", then encouraging the "maydanuty", then calling on Western "friends" to influence the situation in Ukraine, and he probably invested a lot of money in this matter. And in exchange, any agreement will swing without any conditions there. And what will happen to the industry in the southeast of the country and the people working there, he deeply does not care. Well, I agree with the author of the article: VVP has not yet said its weighty word. That is why the West is getting nervous, trying to predict the next move of the “grandmaster”.
      3. Hort
        Hort 17 February 2014 09: 28
        +11
        which will end with the assault of Washington and the landing of the Airborne Forces on the Moon and Mars

        and what would be nice, an oil painting: an American rover "sprinkles" with a yellow trickle some thread a sergeant in a blue beret laughing
      4. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 17 February 2014 13: 32
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        the storming of Washington and the landing of the airborne forces on the moon and Mars

        you still doubt the abilities of our airborne forces? soldier

        and in general, holes for medals for the "city of Washington" have long been made bully
      5. aunt
        aunt 17 February 2014 14: 45
        +4
        dumber than Bush himself, only Bush’s son :)
  • makarov
    makarov 17 February 2014 07: 29
    0
    "According to the expert, during the last meeting in Sochi, Vladimir Putin delivered an ultimatum to Viktor Yanukovych: either the Ukrainian authorities release Tymoshenko, make her the prime minister of Ukraine and form a coalition with her party, or Russia will not give Ukraine money ..."
    http://thekievtimes.ua/authority/324015-ob-ultimatume-putina-timoshenko-dolzhna-

    stat-premerom.html
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 17 February 2014 07: 35
      +9
      The bad thing is that scumbags shooting judges appeared in Ukraine - this may not end — if the opposition is defeated, its followers may switch to terrorist methods of fighting — then innocent people will suffer.
      1. Vladimir 70
        Vladimir 70 17 February 2014 08: 53
        -10%
        The bad thing is that scumbags shooting judges appeared in Ukraine - this may not end — if the opposition is defeated, its followers may switch to terrorist methods of fighting — then innocent people will suffer.
        About the judges. This is just a natural reaction of the population to an abnormal situation in the state with the courts and the prosecutor's office.
        1. Egoza
          17 February 2014 10: 13
          +12
          Quote: Vladimir 70
          About the judges. This is just a natural reaction of the population to an abnormal situation in the state with the courts and the prosecutor's office.

          But this reaction concerns those judges who condemned the Maydan’s! What about their families? am
        2. zzz
          zzz 17 February 2014 10: 15
          +7
          Quote: Vladimir 70
          About the judges. This is just a natural reaction of the population to an abnormal situation in the state with the courts and the prosecutor's office.


          Wow, a natural reaction! I agree with the same LEHO. The opposition may go underground, well, not the main people, of course, but those who are unsatisfied and have lost the battlefield - the Maidan, where they considered themselves heroes and realized their Nazi ideas, do you think they’ll just go home peacefully and take up the household? I think that this will be a problem, as well as after the Second World War. It is necessary to pick out from caches
        3. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 17 February 2014 13: 39
          +5
          Quote: Vladimir 70
          This is just a natural reaction of the population to an abnormal situation in the state with the courts and the prosecutor's office.

          are you really that?

          Well then, let's blow up a couple of ships (with innocent people), so what are you? the gut is thin?

          cover nefig murders and terrorism with high ideals, you are not the United States and not even Qatar ... you are just bandits, and not of a state scale ...
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        5. uizik
          uizik 18 February 2014 00: 34
          +1
          Minus Vladimir is not worth it. In part, he is right. Justice in Ukraine is below the plinth and works according to codes written by the Venetian Commission. It seems that they are written by saboteurs! And to kill people is a sin. But it is time to stop the symbiosis of the prosecutor's office and the court. Bribery like rust rusted through society thoroughly. And if nothing changes social explosions in the country are provided.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 18 February 2014 08: 40
            +1
            Quote: uizik
            And to kill people is a sin. But it is time to stop the symbiosis of the prosecutor's office and the court. Bribery like rust rusted through society thoroughly.

            but they killed not the judge who released the pedophile or the bribe taker, but the one who the maydaunov planted ...
      2. Egoza
        17 February 2014 10: 11
        +5
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        thugs shooting judges, this may not end the case-

        The delegates of the Euromaidan Forum gave the authorities time until February 18 to release all those detained during the confrontations at rallies. As noted in the forum’s resolution, the authorities use the arrested activists as hostages, so they should be released without any conditions. If the release of activists does not happen, then “All those involved in their detention should be outlawed and equated with terrorists.” In this case, the delegates of Euromaidan call on the citizens of Ukraine and other countries to take all measures to free the hostages and destroy all those involved in their detention, up to their physical destruction. According to delegates, such actions are fully consistent with the provisions of UN documents.
        Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-138648.html
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 17 February 2014 11: 21
          +4
          You might think that on February 18th everything will be decided. It is the author who writes about this and that the West is in decline and is not able to adequately orient itself. And this is a knockdown to maydaun and his minions. Is there an option for Putin. And who would doubt it?
      3. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 17 February 2014 22: 04
        -1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        in Ukraine scumbags shooting judges, this may not end

        Do you know Alexei, I’m not a scumbag, but I know a couple of judges in our Kuban region who I would personally kill and not repent without remorse.
    2. 31231
      31231 17 February 2014 08: 35
      +6
      "According to the expert, during the last meeting in Sochi, Vladimir Putin delivered an ultimatum to Viktor Yanukovych: either the Ukrainian authorities release Tymoshenko, make her the prime minister of Ukraine and form a coalition with her party, or Russia will not give Ukraine money ..."


      And what kind of nonsense your chatty media will not write.
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 17 February 2014 13: 44
        0
        Quote: 31231
        And what kind of nonsense your chatty media will not write.

        on the one hand, it’s nonsense, because it was published by non-living media ...
        on the other - this option is possible, because Julia is one of the most adequate people in Ukraine and you can work with her ...
        1. 31231
          31231 17 February 2014 17: 20
          +2
          on the other - this option is possible, because Julia is one of the most adequate people in Ukraine and you can work with her ...

          Isn't Senka her lackey? I feel that he came up with this chatter.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 17 February 2014 18: 11
            +1
            Quote: 31231
            Isn't Senka her lackey? I feel that he came up with this chatter.

            the fact of the matter is that lackey, and lazy thinking is not supposed to take place ...
            and when he begins to think, it turns out what turns out ...
    3. ed65b
      ed65b 17 February 2014 09: 51
      0
      Quote: makarov
      "According to the expert, during the last meeting in Sochi, Vladimir Putin delivered an ultimatum to Viktor Yanukovych: either the Ukrainian authorities release Tymoshenko, make her the prime minister of Ukraine and form a coalition with her party, or Russia will not give Ukraine money ..."
      http://thekievtimes.ua/authority/324015-ob-ultimatume-putina-timoshenko-dolzhna-


      stat-premerom.html

      About how, an interesting alignment will turn out.
    4. 222222
      222222 17 February 2014 12: 49
      +7
      makarov UA Today, 07:29
      ": either the Ukrainian government frees Tymoshenko, makes her the prime minister of Ukraine and forms a coalition with her party, or Russia will not give Ukraine money ..."

      .. "The fourth dream" ..Yulia Vladimirovna ....
    5. Corsair
      Corsair 17 February 2014 13: 17
      +6
      Quote: makarov
      Vladimir Putin delivered an ultimatum to Viktor Yanukovych: either the Ukrainian authorities release Tymoshenko, make her the prime minister of Ukraine and form a coalition with her party, or Russia will not give Ukraine money ... "
      We need to go even further in this matter.
      To put Yulka ONE of the conditions for her release and opening the road to power "LANDING" of the triumvirate Klitschko-Yatsenyuk-Tyagnibok ... Moreover, the "trinity" is trying to invade her "patrimony", the cause of which she lives (and put freedom) .. ...
      Yes, and these "figures" have "twisted" more than one article of the Criminal Code. There will be no case for evidence in support of the prosecution.

      In general, such a step on the "reincarnation" of Tymoshenko would have put the West on the ass Euro-Atlantic and Galicia
  • Uralets
    Uralets 17 February 2014 07: 45
    +2
    The West, led by Obama, has become extremely indecisive, which is in our favor.
    1. 31231
      31231 17 February 2014 08: 41
      +4
      The West, led by Obama, has become extremely indecisive, which is in our favor.
      And why they will be decisive, not only will the public debt grow, so will Russia grind its teeth and they will lose this chess game in front of the whole world.
      First of all, the new "Vietnam" cannot be pulled by the United States, and not by Russia.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 17 February 2014 14: 20
        +3
        Quote: 31231
        First of all, the new "Vietnam" cannot be pulled by the United States, and not by Russia.

        Limited "Vietnam" just plays into the hands of amers' TNCs and Walt Street tycoons.
        Only the "victorious little" is capable of pulling the finances and economy of the United States out of the abyss. And besides, if they are lucky, of course (or we get lost), it will strengthen the status of a superpower ...
        1. 31231
          31231 17 February 2014 17: 23
          +3
          Limited "Vietnam" just plays into the hands of amers' TNCs and Walt Street tycoons.

          Ukraine is not Libya, Vietnam will not become "small and victorious". And the West is well aware of this.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 18 February 2014 06: 07
            0
            Quote: 31231
            Ukraine is not Libya, Vietnam will not become "small and victorious". And the West is well aware of this.
            Naturally! That is why the Americans conduct "reconnaissance in force", feeling for "weak spots" in a number of CIS countries. The calculation is that somewhere they may be lucky ...
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 17 February 2014 07: 47
    0
    At the end of the article, it’s very presumptuous, but God forbid, of course, that it would be so. Also waiting for something after the Olympics.
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 17 February 2014 13: 47
      +2
      Quote: ZU-23
      Also waiting for something after the Olympics.

      yes, definitely something will happen ...
      Well, this maydaun cannot last forever ...

      By the way, I think that it’s not only in the unbroken ...
      I think it’s time for Qatar and the Saudis to dig bunkers ...
    2. 31231
      31231 17 February 2014 17: 25
      +3
      Also waiting for something after the Olympics.

      Bgg. Already servers Petka chocolate and other legarchs, assistants of the Maidan fell.
  • McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 17 February 2014 07: 47
    0
    Putin will not give Ukraine back to Ukraine - it’s all the same what to pass PETER. And the Golden Eagle would not flinch, they had an answer to any situation.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 17 February 2014 08: 02
    +8
    Time will tell. Forecasts are an ungrateful thing.
    For me, so "You won't calm down, witch", coupled with a couple of slaps in the face on the international arena, is a worthy answer to the exceptional in Europe ... mi, so that they poke their nose less where they should not. And then they poured in Syria - they still stick there, they made it clear in Ukraine - and here they are stubborn.
    The trouble is .... We have to do something ... repeat
  • duchy
    duchy 17 February 2014 08: 44
    +2
    Let's hope that Ukraine will remain a Slavic country.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 17 February 2014 11: 25
      +2
      And what about the Bulgarians, Serbs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Poles, not Slavs anymore?
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 17 February 2014 22: 21
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        And what about the Bulgarians, Serbs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Poles, not Slavs anymore?

        At the moment, they are unclassified, denationalized slaves of the European Union, unfortunately.
  • Arbatov
    Arbatov 17 February 2014 09: 05
    +5
    "The author has a concrete belief that Putin will make the last move in this story."

    Never underestimate the enemy, the school axiom. The world behind the scenes probably also suspects something about Putin's upcoming moves.

    In general, the last move will be in any way for the people of Ukraine. Even if he (the people) scores for everything, this will also be his last word.
    1. Egoza
      17 February 2014 10: 18
      +7
      Quote: Arbatov
      Never underestimate the enemy,

      Participants of the Euromaidan Forum and Odessa activists, at the initiative of the head of the Odessa regional organization "UDAR", Andrey Yusov, chose Father Alexander as the confessor of the Euromaidan. As the activists said, Father Alexander regularly attended all Euromaidan meetings, and also prayed for the health of the Maidan participants and the victory of democracy in Ukraine. According to Yusov, Father Alexander is a priest of the Greek Catholic Church. At the same time, less than 200 people adhere to this denomination in Odessa.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-138641.html
      XXXX
      That's how quietly, "piously" people are being treated ... from the west!
      1. Anper
        Anper 17 February 2014 15: 15
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        That's how quietly, "piously" people are being treated ... from the west!

        And they do not work quietly on the memory board - here they are distributing material assistance with might and main, helping seriously ill patients with all sorts of medical apprentices, and money, and carers for free, and children of their parishioners are taught in Poland with further official employment in the same place. and it’s just very fighting (they heard it with their own ears). Many, of course, are sitting there out of selfish interests, but still, from their point of view, they hope that they will go to a European paradise to get on the back of Greek Catholics. And Russia will take it. slandered on the Maidan and train them - not a problem at all. Indeed, in these camps it is Greek - Catholic priests who sit.
        And why not the Orthodox churches of the Moscow patriarchy specifically behave this way? There is a smoldering smoldering Russian society here - to combine efforts, maybe something would have worked out. We only need a long-term program, with reporting, etc., and not rare outbreaks in the form of trips to Voronezh, as it was already.
        1. 31231
          31231 17 February 2014 17: 29
          +4
          And they do not work quietly on the memory board - here they are distributing material assistance with might and main, helping seriously ill patients with all sorts of medical pranks, and money, and carers for free, and they teach their parishioners' children in Poland with further official employment there.

          I remember one blessed woman I ran into on the train. She told me like "in the 90s, Germany paid my grandmother an allowance as a prisoner of a concentration camp. That's how great they are."
          Well, I explained to her that once a vegetable is fertilized, then you can pull out the entire garden under the root. Full unclouded, especially among women. Those on trifles and pennies are easy.
  • zzz
    zzz 17 February 2014 09: 06
    +3
    The sooner Putin begins to “pull” the West, the Europe will have to start from a lower start.

    Oh, how I want to see when this moment of "jerking" will come.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 17 February 2014 09: 18
    +3
    The author of the article is a big plus and respect.
    We all expect that Ukraine will come to its senses from the Maidan.
    1. Egoza
      17 February 2014 10: 21
      +9
      Quote: Neophyte
      We all expect that Ukraine will come to its senses from the Maidan.

      So the reaction is completely different !!!!
      Avtomaydanovtsy going to go to the house of Pshonka on the corpses of the villagers?
      Residents of the village of Gorenichi did not let Avtomaydan activists who tried to drive through the village in 30 cars to the house where, according to activists, the Prosecutor General of Ukraine lives. About two dozen peasants became a border at the entrance to the village and demanded that the activists of Avtomaydan leave the village and not interfere with the quiet life of people on a day off. In response to this, leading activists who were riding motorbikes tried to drive through a crowd of people from dispersal and stopped only when women became at the wheels of the motorbikes. It was the women who did not let the activists into the village, although they tried using motorcycles to push people away and clear the way. The village head, who arrived at the scene, told the activists that now there is a court ban on any mass rallies, and therefore the rally is illegal. At the request of the villagers, several activists walked to the village on foot and returned to the cars. After that, the Avtomaydanovtsy, among whom was the People’s Deputy Vladimir Yavorivsky, drove towards Kiev.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-138652.html
  • 020205
    020205 17 February 2014 09: 21
    +3
    Putin’s main weapon is truth

    What is the strength of a brother, is it in money? I believe that power is in truth
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 17 February 2014 09: 28
    +5
    Putin’s steps have been quite unpredictable lately. I do not think that they are wrong, but so far no crisis has arisen in any situation, Putin is silent. Then an inconspicuous blow occurs and the West sits on its tail, ear ... I don’t even know what to do next.
    The crisis in Ukraine has not yet come, now there is a lull and apathy. The Olympics really slowed down the development of events. So, a week after the closure of the Olympics, stock up on dryers and kvass, there will be a continuation of the series "West vs Russia".
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 17 February 2014 11: 31
      +5
      It would be worse if Putin's steps were predictable. That's why he and Putin. Remember Vysotsky: "This Fischer will never be able to guess what I will walk with" laughing
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 17 February 2014 11: 47
        +2
        It would be worse if Putin’s steps were predictable.

        I agree. But the fact is that in the USA, too, are not fools. And they can calculate possible answers. Their problem is that, when calculating these options, they can not only guess which of them will pass, but they also get the option that was NOT listed at all.
        Syria example: Who could have guessed what a simple offer to take out a chemical. weapons from Syria, can stop the attack of the Americans, at the same time preventing them from falling face down into the mud (the latter, in my opinion, was done in vain, had to be dunked, but deeper)? But already the tomahawks were aimed!
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 17 February 2014 14: 15
          +1
          the last, in my opinion, was done in vain, it was necessary to dunk, but deeper
          I really agree. Because for the future, these curtsies do not go to them. Only dipping in as often as possible and deeper can somehow educate such international gopniks.
        2. 31231
          31231 17 February 2014 17: 33
          0
          I agree. But the fact is that in the USA, too, are not fools.

          Bgg. Especially Nuland and the chief of the NSA, who lost Edik Snezhkov.
      2. Foxmara
        Foxmara 17 February 2014 12: 44
        +7
        Well, why. Back in November, I thought that Vladimir Vladimirovich had a blank about the Maidan. And the prediction came true bully What I did not expect is that they will pull it out at the expense of the money that should have gone into the State Department’s pillow. Elegantly, beautifully, and instead of one slap in the face, two drinks
  • groin
    groin 17 February 2014 09: 36
    +13
    At the expense of truth and falsehood, everything is correct. In order to sniff out a lie, you need to get rid of, intrigue, promote, etc. (a costly and not long-term business). With the truth, everything is simpler, it is obvious and sooner or later will come out, just like justice.
    GDP goes "with an open visor", so to speak, cuts "the truth of the womb", even from a large rostrum, even at the fire with students.
    We all see how many times he goes to sporting events in Sochi, walks around Olympic villages, walks along the embankments, despite the elevated level of various threats (the guards must have changed their minds, but this is understood by both Canadian athletes and Ukrainian traders at market, and all normal people in the world. His opponents simply truhanuli, and their false declarations (political vomit) obviously will not work, they also understand this
    Good luck Uncle Volodya and may God grant you health!
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 17 February 2014 14: 21
      +5
      The main benefit of the Olympics is that 3-4 billion viewers in real time see what Russia really is. And also blogs, tweets and other social networks are bursting with positive photo, video, epistolary impressions of the people from the Olympics and from our country. This shaft cannot be moderated live for the sake of its propaganda. These are not directed "reports" from a wild totalitarian country. From all sorts of Bolotny, Maidan and the like.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 17 February 2014 09: 53
    +3
    Putin and Ukraine and the European Union are sitting on a cook. As soon as the West begins to stir up, Putin will pull them both.
    It's time to twitch .. laughing Article plus! and good luck to Putin!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 17 February 2014 09: 53
    +2
    Good article without orov and forcing. Let's wait and see.
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 17 February 2014 10: 21
    +4
    "This means that the history of today's Ukraine will also be written by Putin and it will be Russian history."
    But is there or was another story? Ukraine and Russia are one indivisible. Ukrainian statehood artificially created in the 20th century in my opinion did not give rise to anything and cannot give rise to. She’s pretty. Only with Russia will Ukraine prosper! And time really works for us! Even those writers, who are now called Ukrainian, used to say that they were Russian and were proud of it.
  • Egoza
    17 February 2014 11: 24
    +11
    Already twitched !!!!
    Polish conservatives sharply criticize official Warsaw’s support for the Ukrainian EuroMaidan. Conrad Rekas in his article “Pig Interest” ...

    ..., published on the Conservatism portal, notes that such a policy leads to sanctions from Russia and results in economic losses for Poland.

    “The introduction by Russia of an embargo on pork imports from the EU led to the loss by Polish producers of about 90 million euros per year” - notes Konrad Rekas. The analyst also criticizes the Polish government’s plan to provide free treatment to activists of the Euromaidan and expresses concern that the number of migrants from Ukraine will increase dramatically, who will appear to be victims of “Yanukovych’s repressions”. “Why should Polish taxpayers pay for internal political clashes in Ukraine? Indeed, the treatment of “victims of the Golden Eagle” costs tens of thousands of dollars that must be paid from the state budget, ”the Polish conservative emphasizes.

    According to him, the Polish humanitarian aid to the “Euromaidan”, in particular the clothes, turned out to be among the Kiev homeless people, who are very pleased with these “gifts”, and packages with the Polish “humanitarian aid” are everywhere lying on the Maidan. Konrad Rekas notes that the area of ​​unrest in Kiev is limited to only two streets and there are normal medical, transport and trading systems. “There are slums in Poland, where people live much worse and require no less humanitarian aid. Our support for Euromaidan is not accompanied by significant political benefits. On the contrary, it leads to economic losses and increased confrontation with legitimate authorities in Kiev and, indirectly, with Moscow ” - believes Polish analysts. In his opinion, Poland is too poor a country to support such a stupid policy of Warsaw.
    http://www.versii.com/news/297406/
    XXXX
    The conservative was a bit mistaken in the fact that humanitarian aid packages are lying around! They are very diligently sent from the main post office (which is next to the Maidan) women "with a specific talk" to their homeland to their dear vuiks! laughing
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 17 February 2014 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      According to him, the Polish humanitarian aid “euromaidan”, in particular, clothes, was at the Kiev homeless, who are very pleased with these “gifts”

      hi Oh Helena, your jaw didn’t jerk off your article! Thank you laughed! laughing
    2. Foxmara
      Foxmara 17 February 2014 12: 20
      +4
      "There are slums in Poland where people live much worse and require no less humanitarian aid."

      Let go on the Maidan! laughing soldier Europe will help them.
      Suddenly V. Nuland arrives with a packet of cookies and a barrel of jam
      and spends for free in a gay club ..
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 17 February 2014 11: 24
    +1
    I would not think that everything will be so optimistic.
    The West has always been famous for deception and intrigue, in this it has no equal ....... if Ukraine still manages to keep from the abyss, then they can always return to the Middle East, to Syria and Iran. It is also possible that Ukraine was a testing ground for practicing coups, a dress rehearsal, so to speak, which is coming to an end ........ now is spring, the time of exacerbation among the masses ... I think we need to wait for the seething of our "liberal swamp" and armed exacerbations in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and even Kazakhstan. While we were distracted by Ukraine, active work was underway to recruit and build an underground network in our "underbelly" ...
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 17 February 2014 13: 01
      +3
      Come on. McFaul was sad and flew away. If this is not an indicator, then I do not know what else can be an indicator. We rehearsed for the most I do not want in Africa. But the Slavs did not pass. Chingachguk twice on the same rake does not occur.

      In the Caucasus, and so the booze is constantly. Accordingly, we know what to expect. Of course there will be swoops along the border. And Afghanistan and Syria. And Iran. And the Ipponians began to stir. The last time after the burning of our flag, half of the shore was washed away from them. Give them the Kemsk parish again. Well ... I think the guys have something to think about - Sharpe's theory gave a triple failure. And resistance and opposition is growing. And they themselves have no ice at home. There is no reason to brandish the club. In general, as they said in the KVN of Pyatigorsk, "a terrible * oops is approaching Kansas."
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 17 February 2014 19: 49
        +4
        Quote: Foxmara
        the ippons stirred

        They are right now even the Chinese with the islands stir. The yapons jump, that they will remain without islands at all, will live on kayaks and canoes.
  • Alex toll
    Alex toll 17 February 2014 11: 24
    +3
    Ukraine must be made to remember who they are and with whom they shared the hearth in the cold season and the glory of a great victory, and everything is known in comparison now and let them see where it is warmer and dearer ..... !!!

    Putin is smart, but as Mr. Abratov said above, you must not underestimate the enemies and always keep abreast! The Maidan is weakening and rumbling - you have to wait a moment - scream, freeze, get bored in the hut and warm bed and everything will return to square one.

    Three will be put on the count and calm down)))))
    1. Egoza
      17 February 2014 11: 39
      +5
      Quote: Alex Toll
      The Maidan is weakening and rumbling - you have to wait a moment - scream, freeze, get bored in the hut and warm bed and everything will return to square one.

      How to say!
      In Ternopol held the People's Olympics. Participants of the competition threw paving stones, training grenades for accuracy, dismantled Kalashnikovs for a while, and overcame obstacles from tires. There was a transfer of the “wounded” and the “wall to wall” battle, during which one of the teams pushed the other back with metal shields.
      This is not a rally or a joke, but an event that was held with the support of the Ternopil City Council. The council’s website has not only “Olympic” symbols, but also comments from officials that explain the need for such an event.
      “The People’s Olympiad is just the beginning to prepare citizens for action in emergency situations. Today, every Ukrainian should be able to protect themselves and we train these skills during the competition. They are also our reaction to the Sochi Olympics. After all, everyone understands that Putin’s regime is responsible for the events in our state, it is he who is behind Ukraine’s refusal from European integration. Unfortunately, there is no reaction to this from any state in the world, ”says Deputy Mayor Leonid Bitsyura.
      In a situation where Maidan radicals use any reason to disrupt the truce and resume mass riots, it is difficult to call the behavior of officials normal. The authorities of Ternopil themselves incite young people to participate in such events, and even teach the guys to “throw” paving stones “correctly”. And in the case of an adequate reaction, law enforcement officers will say: "they are children."
      A similar reaction to the Sochi Olympics resembles the natives who, without planes, throw bananas and coconuts in the direction of flying liners.

      http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/244670
      1. Alex toll
        Alex toll 17 February 2014 12: 20
        +2
        Che PPC full! go crazy!

        Egoza, are you from Ukraine?
        1. Egoza
          17 February 2014 16: 18
          +1
          Quote: Alex Toll

          Egoza, are you from Ukraine?

          With her miserable! crying
          1. wax
            wax 18 February 2014 00: 03
            +1
            Ukraine to be happy in a fraternal Slavic union! And these scammers mostly throw money: cut off the money (for example, they fell on the asphalt when transferring the cash of some adviser to the American embassy (or Western European) and everyone goes home thinking to think who will pay for what. In this case, oligarchs can forget about the money stolen from the people stolen in the West. Yes, even diplomatic relations can be torn apart, they will not give visas to rulers.
          2. Alex toll
            Alex toll 18 February 2014 09: 43
            0
            Ufff !!! Hold on to the Slavs !!! Do you think our peoples are brotherly?
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 17 February 2014 18: 08
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        In Ternopol held the People's Olympics. Competitors threw paving stones, training grenades on accuracy, dismantled assault rifles for a while

        Apparently with accuracy they are not all right if in the picture their leader walks in a construction helmet. That is why there are so many inadequacies on the Maidan - they apparently put pavers on the head at home. laughing
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 17 February 2014 12: 12
    +1
    "Obama is as much a coward and a loser as Yanukovych."
    Unfortunately, Obama also " wassat "(qualification) and" drug addict ", so it is quite possible to expect from him also stupidity in the form of red lines, white stripes and other nonsense.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 17 February 2014 12: 42
    +1
    Great article! The author is a well-deserved plus.
    I won’t comment, as the previous speakers have already commented on almost everything.

    The only thing I wanted to add / duplicate was that despite my, in general and in general, negative attitude towards the current Russian government, the level of analysts and consultants in our country has grown sharply, and the GDP has turned into a really seasoned politician who knows how to choose the right one " weapons "against their political opponents. I will never believe that the Kremlin. in its current state, it will suddenly become a power aimed at the social needs of the people and the maximum national-state position, but there is a feeling that their sense of self-preservation, in the context of international politics, has sharply sharpened and matured to the point of being able to give adequate answers to challenges from outside.
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 17 February 2014 13: 07
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    Not without the transfer of the "wounded"

    They correctly fussed about it. It is necessary to look a little in the eye. And in the dressing of severed limbs, they did not train?
  • Alex66
    Alex66 17 February 2014 13: 39
    +2
    It is known that the oligarchs need a homeland to sell at a higher price. So there is no need to feel sorry for them in this game.
    Golden words, but apply to everyone, not just Ukrainian oligarchs.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 17 February 2014 13: 50
    +1
    From the whole article, I will only agree with the fact that Putin defeated queers. The rest, wishful thinking. By God, I don’t understand why the Olympics interfere with active actions in Ukraine? Are Putin and Medvedev sitting in Sochi? So what? Should the GDPR personally carry out the decisions taken? So it will not be enough for everyone. So there are no solutions, but time is running out. The article devotes almost a decisive place to the financial and economic dependence of Ukraine on the Russian Federation. Is this so? The West and the Westerners are ready to drive the country into default. Everything, debts are irrecoverable. Let's write off how they wrote off Iraq, the DPRK and the Africans, we are no strangers. The last "carrot" in the form of 15 billion is still hanging and thank God. Janek shares power with the opposition, making one concession after another. Who really, ultimately, will manage the money, it is written on the water with a pitchfork. Something I do not want, that the Russophobic policy would be conducted on Russian money. Even if the revolution collapses, what will remain? The same two-faced Janek, the same elite.
    The text is replete with definitions of the qualities of the guarantor in excellent tones, and everything about him is smart and smart and fair. Only the results WILL BE, as always (after the Olympics, by 2020, before the 2 coming). But in reality, on the perimeter of the border of Russia, or rather, on its outskirts, failed under-states wagging both yours and ours. For 20 years, not only nothing worthwhile has been done, but even a concept, except for the trade union, has not been invented. Putin has nothing up his sleeve, no strategy, no imperial will. The maximum that is capable of extinguishing the loot exacerbation of the problem, but not the problem itself.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 17 February 2014 18: 30
      +3
      Quote: Karabin
      . Putin has nothing up his sleeve

      Are you a tailor working for Putin? laughing How do you know what Putin has in his sleeve, and what is not? Have you ever collected puzzles? It is easy to disassemble it, but to assemble it again - it takes time. And here the country, plundered and ruined, try to collect and equip. It is always easy to criticize, but we don’t have something to do for the country. Enough of blaming Putin already, a person is doing what he can and what is in his power. The time will come and restore order in the country. And now the main thing is to restore order around the perimeter so that no trash can encroach on our Homeland.
  • Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 17 February 2014 14: 23
    +2
    .... oligarchs need a homeland to sell it more expensive ....

    Apparently, this is inherent in all business in the post-Soviet space (well, maybe, with a few exceptions). No.
  • v53993
    v53993 17 February 2014 14: 55
    +1
    In Ternopol held the People's Olympics. Participants of the competition threw paving stones, training grenades for accuracy, dismantled Kalashnikovs for a while, and overcame obstacles from tires. There was a transfer of the “wounded” and the “wall to wall” battle, during which one of the teams pushed the other back with metal shields.

    Today, every Ukrainian should be able to protect themselves and we train these skills during the competition.

    The connection between the participants of the Ternopil "Olympiad" and every Ukrainian is not entirely clear. Or does every Ukrainian live in Ternopil? Original "logic".
    1. Egoza
      17 February 2014 16: 16
      +3
      Quote: v53993
      Or does every Ukrainian live in Ternopil? Original "logic".

      And those who do not live on the memory, it’s not the Ukrainians, but the m.o.s.c.a..l.i! fellow
  • Alexey M
    Alexey M 17 February 2014 15: 19
    -4
    I’ll tell you a secret that the West wanted to put on Putin and what he wants. As long as they buy gas and oil from us, we won’t do anything. They will say Ukraine will be drained with salt, they’ll say that we’ll surrender Syria. They can do without us without Russia. Until Russia If we don’t learn how to provide ourselves with everything we need, we will not quarrel with the West. And there are two ways either to slowly build muscle, or the Iron Curtain, as in the USSR.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 18 February 2014 12: 06
      0
      I’ll tell you a secret West wanted to put on Putin
      Wanted, but it doesn’t work in any way
      wassat
  • Power
    Power 17 February 2014 16: 17
    -4
    Putin has the Olympics! A good reason to merge 12 million Russians, this is not South Ossetia, it is part of the Russian world - the outskirts of the Russian land. We will remember "Who is Hu?" It was necessary to give a hand so that they would forever forget how to meddle in the courts, and in response, "Ukraine is a sovereign country." Around enemies, double agents, and other s.v.o.l..o.h., pulling apart the Russian Empire in pieces and kormans
  • Federal
    Federal 17 February 2014 17: 13
    -1
    after reading the article, honestly, I didn’t understand what Putin’s genius and the strength of Russia in Ukraine are ??? What is the homespun truth? Mr. you are our discerning author? The fact that Russia gave the money she really needed to Ukraine, which was openly alien and hostile to the project? Well, maybe there is some logic somewhere, they supposedly kept us from Euro-association ... But to call it victory and genius ... Tomorrow everything will change again and Russia will throw 15 lard from the funds again ... In my opinion, it doesn’t smell like genius here, on the contrary the game is on the verge of a foul, and the agony is yes. Rather, the payment for the mistakes of the past years of EBN and early Pu, the lost generation in Ukraine, which in Russia already sees the enemy, is also true.
    And note the West does not lose anything because it invests nothing but the words and support of the Natsik on the Maidan. Whose policy is a brilliant answer is clearly obvious, I advise you to cool the author and think about his opus sober .... The conclusions are disappointing ...
    1. takto.onotak
      takto.onotak 17 February 2014 18: 58
      +1
      ... so, and who pays for the Maidan in your opinion?
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  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 17: 29
    +1
    The article is too optimistic ...
    The Expert portal has published a more detailed and real article on a similar topic.
    http://expert.ru/expert/2014/08/naftalinovoe-protivostoyanie/
  • Stinger
    Stinger 17 February 2014 18: 27
    +3
    Very sensible article. It is a pity the author is unknown. And the expressions!
    If Yanukovych knew about the existence of Georges Jacques Danton, then he would hopefully remember his words: “The revolution devours its children”
    Only for this big +. And also:
    ... and the United States hid bloodied hands under white gloves
    Shine.
    Thanks VO. And then all some kind of unfinished political scientists write.
  • takto.onotak
    takto.onotak 17 February 2014 19: 03
    +1
    The article is interesting, thanks! The review is thoughtful, far-sighted, while it seems like the truth ... And how accurate life will show ...
  • Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 17 February 2014 19: 28
    +1
    Quote: Federal
    Rather, the payment for the mistakes of the past years of EBN and early Pu, the lost generation in Ukraine, which in Russia already sees the enemy


    And nevertheless, we are ONE people, it is necessary to look for the most correct ways to solve this problem. Including help with BABKS - as you know, they "do not smell"!
  • russia_vp
    russia_vp 17 February 2014 19: 46
    +1
    Putin will say his word after the Olympics
    1. Black
      Black 17 February 2014 22: 37
      -1
      So, not to give not to take, is an optimistic tragedy !!
      The tragedy is less optimistic over the edge.
      The hardest time awaits Ukraine (and therefore us), possibly with blood, perhaps (at least) federalization. The West is not stingy with fanning fire. Honestly, I wouldn’t like us to have to drag bad chestnuts out of this fire.
      The praises of Putin were sung .... Here the Olympic Games will bring, -and !!!! ...
      What? - will change the socio-economic, political foundation of modern Russia?
      Someone believes that, with the existing structure, we can become a new center of crystallization the world opposed to the West??? I do not believe.

      Twenty years with varying degrees of calmness watched the collapse of Ukraine ... and op !!! But we’ll reduce the Olympics and we’ll fix everything!
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 17 February 2014 22: 01
    +2
    Friends, we are discussing the situation in Ukraine, and not the Russia-USA match, although I am glad of that, as it turned out, what we wanted, namely: -the world is watching the Olympics, the main Olympic news! As for the rest, I already wrote: Putin is at the Olympics and he is calm, so I am calm, He will say: "The trouble is the Cossacks, the brothers need help!" - I will go to help with my SKS, a hunter with 35 years of experience. -Tyagnibokovsky), I don't think of people!
  • yur58
    yur58 17 February 2014 22: 18
    +1
    The author is certainly an optimist. Let's hope that order in Ukraine will slowly reign. I just wish that the authorities there made the right conclusions and didn’t create for themselves and the country similar situations when the country is seething and is on the verge of bloodshed and decay.
  • bear
    bear 17 February 2014 22: 51
    +1
    after Eurocamps visit to a black cuckoo in a white hut
    laughing laughing laughing
  • AVV
    AVV 17 February 2014 23: 54
    +1
    It’s easy to break, but it’s not easy to correct, to build !!! Even if everything goes according to the best scenario for Ukraine, it will take a long time to get out of the Pit where the West and all well-wishers drove it !!! But it will get out and all the geyropeyts will still envy that they are in shit.me, and Ukraine managed to slip out of the sticky and fetid hands of Western half-wits !!!
  • and why
    and why 18 February 2014 01: 01
    0
    I would like to believe the author of the article, but I can’t believe it. We wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
    Wasn't this Yanukovych saying Merkel: I’ve been face to face with Russia for three years. Yes, diplomacy is subtle matter, but not to the same extent. Second: if the debtor hangs himself and he has no heirs, then the creditor is left with nothing. It turns out that Yanukovych deliberately forced and is stepping up political tension in Ukraine so that Russia would untie him with her petty talk about debts and the price of gas. Everyone remains with their own, except for Russia, for which Ukraine is even more gilded, and the European Union, which with even greater enthusiasm will begin to take the Ukrainian consumer pie to itself. Or the debtor is hung up.
  • RND
    RND 18 February 2014 03: 28
    0
    Quote: SAMARA
    Absolutely nothing .. But I think I need to draw conclusions. Although they are generally more lost than we are.)) Note, no statements are loud, silence.

    That's it, they know the cat, whose fat was eaten!
    I love our native language !!!