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Tolerant Empire, or Socialism in one particular region

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In my previous articles, I, it seems to me, clearly showed that the current government, no matter how it is treated, stands very reliably on Russian soil and is not going to leave it at all. Nor does she intend to change anything in the socio-economic policy, at least for the better, that is, the government does not intend to depart from the constructed model of sovereign oligarchic capitalism as an alternative to the international network structures of TNCs.

But at the same time, we must also understand that the policy of the authorities is leading Russia to defeat. It is difficult to play "on the field of the enemy." But it is also completely hopeless to play by his rules. And after all, the Russian oligarchs put themselves and us in such a situation. They build capitalism by playing in a foreign field. But the West (or rather, its locomotive - the Anglo-Saxons) never led fair competition in the framework of the capitalist model of the economy. Being in this area "trendsetters", the Anglo-Saxons set their own rules of competition. Just look at the Cyprus expropriation, which trampled the fundamental foundations of the capitalist system (ownership, bank secrecy).

The once powerful France and Germany have already challenged Anglo-Saxon power. But they lost in the capitalist race. Twice just over the past century, Russia was defeated. Moreover, both defeats took place at the moments when Russia started “playing on the enemy field”. At the end of the nineteenth century, the Russian empire firmly embarked on capitalist rails and successfully declined in the beginning of the twentieth century and the disaster of 1917. The collapse of the USSR super empire was also preceded by a rather inept attempt to introduce elements of the free market into the socialist economic system. Whereas the socialist project of Lenin-Stalin proved to be salutary for Russia. Can we expect that the current government will succeed in something that nobody has previously managed?

The government also cannot fail to see the danger that threatens it if the internal unrest caused by the rampant oligarchy and the corrupt bureaucracy will be imposed on the encroachments of the external enemy dreaming of revenge for the defeat in Operation Heir. In this case, a resonance may occur, and the situation will get out of control. Or, at least, external and internal influence will seriously weaken the positions of pro-government oligarchic structures and force an agreement, sacrificing a substantial part of their wealth and prospects. This fact tells us at least the fact that the government, basically copying the Western model, still leaves such important themes for the West, but unacceptable for the Russian people, as juvenile justice or tolerance for LGBT people. Those. the state is rocking the boat with impunity of officials, price increases, the commercialization of education and health care. But at the same time, it is tough to ensure that the “red lines” in the public consciousness do not cross, which will cause an explosion of popular indignation and make the “boat” overkill. Very significant in this case is a kind of probing, which was conducted by the authorities in respect of juvenile justice. After all, I hope no one will believe that such a high-ranking official, like V. Matvienko, will, on his own initiative, lobby the interests of juveniles. And not without the participation of the government and the oligarchic lobby, juvenile laws were introduced into parliament. It is absolutely clear that by their forces these laws were buried. But the society reacted very keenly to this sounding. And then the authorities channeled this protest, putting at the head of his pocket "patriotic opposition", such as "The Essence of Time". In the same vein, one can also consider the “tink of the ears” of Astahac - the ombudsman suddenly changed his views from the prevalence of children's rights to the need to protect the family. And the apotheosis was the personal advent of VVP. to the congress of the "parental assembly of Russia", where he officially put an end to the juvenile inclinations of the "liberals." Nevertheless, capitalism is the “red line” for which the modern oligarchic power will never retreat, no matter what they threaten. By hook or by crook, by force and by cunning, she will keep her feeder.

I would also like to note that a layer of economically and politically active population is no small, the so-called “Pepsi generation”, which feels quite normal within the framework of the capitalist economy, because it simply did not know the positive aspects of life under socialism, while its ears hurt its negative traits "Good liberals" 90-x. Therefore, they, regardless of their attitude to power, will not be in awe of the attempt to restore socialism in Russia. In such a situation, to dream of returning Russia to socialism is the same as building castles in the air. We must understand this well, as well as the fact that an attempt to demolish power will only be in the hands of external enemies and can help them solve the Russian question once and for all.

It turns out a vicious circle, which seems to make the defeat and death of Russia inevitable, because it does not allow to apply the only tried antidote to salvation. Nevertheless, unlike other countries that previously challenged Anglo-Saxon power, Russia has several features. One of which allows us to call our country "Tolerant Empire." I understand that the word "tolerant" was heavily stained with world neoliberalism. However, tolerance is tolerance. And it is precisely the tolerance of its suburbs, which sometimes reaches the level of humiliation before them, which distinguishes the Russian empire. This property allowed people to coexist in the Empire with completely different religions, mentalities and levels of socio-economic development. In Russia, the primitive Chukchi, quite civilized Russian people, Finns confined to their nationality, wild Ossetians or Chechens, and European Balts and Poles could coexist quite comfortably. Naturally, at different times, it could not have done without excesses, but Russia was never seen in a genocide like the one that the Europeans organized in their colonies. We didn’t have that intolerance that distinguished Asians towards the subjugated peoples, who were trying to reformat the surrounding nationalities for themselves, as, for example, happened to the Ainu after the capture of their islands by the Japanese.

It is the tolerance of Russian civilization, it seems to me, that can help us get out of the vicious circle. I propose to establish on the territory of Russia a mode of coexistence not only of various ethnocultural systems, but also of various economic structures. This will allow the authorities to make a compromise between the wishes of the oligarchs and the demands of the prevailing foreign and domestic political situation. Considering that the Russian Federation is officially a federal state, Moscow should give the regions the opportunity to change the economic structure. For example, the little-developed and endangered FEFD can be raised with the help of a socialist planned economy. This will make it possible to solve the demographic problem of the region by attracting those who wish to live under socialism to the Far East. It is also possible to increase the pace of development of the region, while saving money that is currently being spent extremely inefficiently.

Let's look at what the basic principles of a socialist economy that we need to implement in our separate region, and how to combine them with the central capitalist legislation.

1. The fundamental difference between a capitalist economy and a socialist economy is the existence of a private property right under capitalism, which is not under socialism. Naturally, we cannot get away from private property enshrined in the Constitution, which is perhaps the only holy article for the elite. But should we bother with this? If we believe that the socialist economy is superior to the capitalist economy and we are trying to prove it, then for the greatest purity of the experiment it is worth preserving the existing owners, as well as future socialist entrepreneurs, the possibility of developing their business. But at the same time, a moratorium on any transfer of state ownership into private hands must be introduced by law in socialist territory. Private property is less interfering with the fact that for a balanced socialist economy, the presence of the private sector is a necessary condition.

2. At the same time, the fundamental principle of a socialist economy is its planned nature. Therefore, at the regional level, it is necessary to create the State Planning Committee. The functions of which will include economic regulation in the territory and interaction with private business and economic state structures of the federal level.

3. Taking into account the location of large and small private enterprises, state-owned companies at the federal level on the socialist territory, as well as the need to settle income distribution issues with the federal center, it is necessary to equip the socialist system with the fiscal service. Which would centrally organize the fees and their administration, and centrally pay off with the federal center in the proportion that remains for him. At the same time, for small and medium businesses it is necessary to make a simplified reform. In which a single tax would include in its composition all taxes of tax, pension, excise and social nature. In order to get rid of a huge class of accountants in enterprises and to maximally concentrate financial flows in the hands of Gosplan. Alternatively, excise taxes can be replaced by enterprises and entrepreneurs purchasing patents for the use of mineral resources, land, the right to sell alcohol, etc. At the same time, state-owned enterprises of the regional level will not have a tax relationship, since they will be financed by the budget. Whereas state-owned enterprises of the federal level, as well as divisions of federal private companies, will make to the territory budget those payments that they must pay to local budgets and funds.

4. Guaranteed employment and guaranteed income can be provided both by creating jobs in the public sector, and by paying extra workers to private enterprises up to the middle level while working with enterprises and entrepreneurs who set unjustifiably low wages.

5. For a centralized pension provision, a non-state pension fund can be created, which receives funds from the regional budget in accordance with established federal standards. Naturally, it is desirable for him to delegate the functions of the FIU to work with federal enterprises and those enterprises and entrepreneurs that operate under standard tax regimes.

6. Tight price controls can be provided by setting a corridor in which prices will fluctuate. At first, the option of reducing prices can be implemented for the manufacturer by granting tax preferences and / or subsidies, and for dealers with tight pricing controls. Later on, due to the development of substitute production and budget retailers.

7. When planning, Gosplan implements the issues of interaction with large private companies and federal state-owned enterprises in a mode that corresponds to working with importers, on the basis of long-term contracts on the volume of supplies and the provision of services.

8. The issues of regulating the work of the private sector according to the tasks of the Gosplan can be handled by self-regulating organizations that unite entrepreneurs and small enterprises by industry and location. Through them, loans can be distributed for the expansion or organization of business, if such is provided for by the plans. They are also given planned targets.

Thus, as we see, there are mechanisms that can allow organizing a socialism reserve on the territory of Russia, which will reserve Russia the opportunity to respond to the challenges of the times. And at the same time to solve some pressing issues of domestic policy. Nor will it hurt the rights and interests of the oligarchs, who are so zealously guarded by the Russian authorities.

The specific stages of building a regional socialist economy, as well as the ways of applying these mechanisms, will be discussed in my next article.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 17 February 2014 08: 01
    +1
    "Thus, as we can see, there are mechanisms that can make it possible to organize a socialism reserve on the territory of Russia, which will reserve for Russia the opportunity to respond to challenges of time ... "
    The author should have called in plain text who he names specifically under the nickname "time". am
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 17 February 2014 08: 41
      +5
      Quote: makarov
      "Thus, as we can see, there are mechanisms that can make it possible to organize a socialism reserve on the territory of Russia,

      You can also make a reserve of feudalism and tribal system, especially since there are sub "ects where this is already present. Well, the reserve of communism is built on Rublevka. And the laws throughout the country are different, somewhere secular, somewhere - Sharia, and somewhere and slave.
      4. Guaranteed employment and guaranteed income can be provided both by creating jobs in the public sector, and by paying extra workers to private enterprises up to the middle level while working with enterprises and entrepreneurs who set unjustifiably low wages.

      Somewhere to guarantee slaves and slaves.
      In general, it is not clear why the author was so stuck?
      1. Interface
        Interface 17 February 2014 17: 04
        +2
        I propose to establish in Russia a regime of coexistence of not only various ethnocultural systems, but also various economic structures.
        . What kind of nonsense, sorry? Socialism is certainly good, but only wild oligarchic capitalism and socialism in their pure form are incompatible in principle!
        We need to take an example from the Chinese - socialism + market. Well. Now take a look at them now.
        1. alicante11
          18 February 2014 05: 14
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          Still, in China, too, not everything is so great. For example, the absence of pensions, as in China, would hardly be pleasant to all of us.
          But if it were possible to establish socialism throughout the country. Then I would be both hands in favor. But this is not real at the moment. Therefore, a bird in the hands is better than a pie in the sky.
          What exactly is incompatible between socialism and capitalism in a federal state?
      2. GRune
        GRune 28 March 2014 12: 48
        +1
        A quote about work and freedom from I.V. Stalin: “It’s hard for me to imagine what kind of“ personal freedom ”an unemployed person can walk, who goes hungry and does not find the use of his labor. True freedom exists only where exploitation has been destroyed, where there is no oppression of some people by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a person does not tremble that tomorrow he may lose his job, home, bread. Only in such a society is real, not paper, personal and any other freedom possible. ”
        1. alicante11
          29 March 2014 03: 21
          +1
          Well, a person can choose whether to be free at a social enterprise or to live in slavery on a commercial one. Moreover, for example, small business can be put in a socialist stall using the SRO mechanism.
    2. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 17 February 2014 08: 58
      +4
      Author, you have already written several of your articles with your theory, but in each of them you rely on artificial theses that diverge from reality. And the argument suffers.

      Nor is it going to change anything in socio-economic policy, at least for the better,


      That is, over the past 10 years, nothing has changed for the better and is not changing?
      Compare unemployment then and now, income then and now, the number of poor then and now? I will not write about average salaries, but rather I will simply give the volume of air passenger transportation by years.

      Or the situation in the industry


      At the end of the nineteenth century, the Russian empire firmly embarked on capitalist tracks and safely came to the decline of the beginning of the twentieth century and the disaster of the 1917 year. The collapse of the Soviet super empire was also preceded by a rather inept attempt to introduce elements of the free market into the socialist economic system.


      1) The empire fell from the betrayal of liberals of that time, which terribly reminiscent of the liberals of the present, and the economy of the Republic of Ingushetia showed stable growth until the 1917 of the year and there was no decline.

      2) The USSR collapsed after the betrayal of the same liberals led by Gorbachev, and the USSR's GDP growth rate was around 5%.

      In both cases, liberal anti-state propaganda turned out to be stronger, and this was facilitated by such opuses that you shared with us.

      The two basic values ​​"PATRIOTISM" and "JUSTICE" were replaced by the principle "select and divide, and count the bourgeoisie" and the phrase "you can't live like that anymore" respectively.

      Well, about your points of the action plan, I generally keep quiet. As a carbon copy of the Marxist teachings - "from each according to his capabilities and to each according to his needs" - in such a situation, everyone will evaluate their needs higher and much higher than their capabilities - for we are people.

      And yes, historical experience says that since the advent of mankind, trade has been going on according to the principle of market and competition, not according to the PLAN principle and it will always be so. And the main problem of the current economy is that in a balanced scheme Demand Offer и seller buyer such a structure as the BANK meets its interest, as a result, money does not go directly from the buyer to the seller, but without fail through the BANK, where interest / interest appears.
      This is where the state's hand is needed, not the "invisible hand of the market", to cut off the possibilities for creating speculative capital - that is, not backed by anything - with waste paper.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 09: 12
        +5
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        Author, you have already written several of your articles with your theory, but in each of them you rely on artificial theses that diverge from reality. And the argument suffers.

        Quote: ele1285
        In general, it is not clear why the author was so stuck?

        Quote: makarov
        The author should have called in plain text whom he names specifically under the nickname "time"

        Alik ... laughing
        Who looked at the author and did not read - comments are much more interesting fellow
      2. Grenader
        Grenader 17 February 2014 09: 43
        +7
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        That is, over the past 10 years, nothing has changed for the better and is not changing?
        Compare unemployment then and now, income then and now, the number of poor then and now? I will not write about average salaries, but rather I will simply give the volume of air passenger transportation by years.

        There are changes, but all of them thanks to the pipe (oil and gas) cost energy prices to fall and all this beautiful fairy tale PPC. We do not provide ourselves with almost nothing; we import food more than 50%; we even buy nails in China. And the market is volatile, sooner or later the situation will change. Something is not visible, that no matter who we were preparing for a change of situation. They say a lot, little is done.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 17 February 2014 10: 09
          +1
          Quote: Grenader
          There are changes, but all of them thanks to the pipe (oil and gas) cost energy prices to fall and all this beautiful fairy tale PPC.


          1) What should make these prices fall?
          2) It’s better to be an oil baron than an oilman
          3) With oil money we buy machinery and equipment, not just nails.



          Quote: Grenader
          We do not provide ourselves with almost nothing, we import food more than 50%, even we buy nails in China.


          1) When did nails become food?
          2) The import of basic types of food does not exceed 20%, which fits into the doctrine of food security in the Russian Federation, only beef can be an exception


          So you're lying, comrade.
          1. Magadan
            Magadan 17 February 2014 10: 36
            +14
            I am pleased to read your comments, I agree with almost everything. But the author is right in some ways - have you not noticed how our bureaucrats vied with each other broadcasting screens about patriotism, conservatism, and other wonderful things, but continue to bend their liberal line with a quiet glanders? They give posts exclusively liberalistically. For example - why was Stepashin replaced by Golikova? They are not enough of the Ministry of Health? Where, by the will of Golikova, they lost the job of an engineer in remote areas, because they have minus 2 vision? Have you had a doctor for a long time? Did you notice that the doctor takes you 5 minutes, and writes pieces of paper about how he takes you for almost half an hour?
            And now Golikova now in the Accounts Chamber steers? Who benefits from this? Is it not like Serdyukov?
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 17 February 2014 11: 02
              -2
              Quote: Magadan
              But the author is right in some ways - haven't you noticed how our bureaucrats vied with each other broadcasting screens about patriotism, conservatism, and other wonderful things, but continue to bend their liberal line with a quiet glanders?


              The author links the facts that you said with his crazy theory.

              There are a lot of problems and a small cart, including strange destinations. But the logic of their adoption was somehow explained.
              The same Shoigu is the best minister in his place, the Ministry of Emergencies, but he was first sent to the Moscow Region, since there was no suitable firefighter, then he was sent to the Moscow Region, since it was already necessary to extinguish him, and a good man, Vorobyev, was pulled out of the Duma . Everyone from Tyumen took away the respected Sobyanin, because they needed a business manager to replace Luzhkov ... Each such decision individually and without taking into account the logic of its adoption is incorrect. And it will sound something like this

              1) Why did they remove the excellent mayor of Tyumen? Ahh rezhym smothers business executives ..
              2) Why did they change the head of the Ministry of Emergencies? Ahh rezhim kills the best ministry.

              But I cannot but admit that I cannot explain many permutations in any way, since they are hidden by layers of spheres of influence, intersection of interests and internal political struggle.
          2. and why
            and why 17 February 2014 23: 51
            0
            He doesn’t lie, in many regions of Russia, including in large cities, the main food is imported. Even in the former agricultural regions, like mine, almost everything in the markets is imported. Well, the author, apparently, is nostalgic for the Union. In modern times, it sometimes seems that under the Union we lived as under communism, and not under socialism.
          3. and why
            and why 17 February 2014 23: 51
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            He doesn’t lie, in many regions of Russia, including in large cities, the main food is imported. Even in the former agricultural regions, like mine, almost everything in the markets is imported. Well, the author, apparently, is nostalgic for the Union. In modern times, it sometimes seems that under the Union we lived as under communism, and not under socialism.
        2. 222222
          222222 17 February 2014 13: 48
          +1
          Grenader Today, 09:43 ↑ "There are changes, but all of them, thanks to the pipe (oil and gas), are worth falling prices for energy carriers"
          N In old people "Why is the dollar rising in price?

          I spoke about the reasons for the decline in the exchange rate of the national currencies of Russia and Kazakhstan in a short video for Cognitive TV. "
          http://nstarikov.ru/blog/36635
      3. alicante11
        17 February 2014 09: 49
        +7
        Your task is to show the trend. Growth trend. Compared to the 90s, there is growth. I've already told you that. Now it is growth that is coming to naught. This is a danger. And capitalism will not be able to give additional impetus.

        For the reasons for the fall of the Empire - see articles and discussions of WWI. There are a lot of them now. And they revealed all the ulcers of this non-viable entity. Another question is that RI had no alternative to capitalism. To skip from feudalism to socialism is understandable to anyone - utopia. Therefore, I considered it unnecessary to explain this in the article.

        2) The USSR collapsed after the betrayal of the same liberals led by Gorbachev, and the USSR's GDP growth rate was around 5%.


        Absolutely right. Because the foundation of the socialist economy still worked. As the backlog from the past acted - education, science, industry.

        And yes, historical experience says that since the advent of mankind, trade has been based on the principle of market and competition,


        No matter how much you bold text, it will not correct the fact that capitalism tends to monopoly. So your "competition" by the very mechanism of capitalism is reduced to "no".
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 17 February 2014 10: 15
          -4
          Quote: alicante11
          Your task is to show the trend. Growth trend. In comparison with 90 mi there is growth. Now it is growth that is coming to naught. This is a danger. And capitalism will not be able to give additional impetus.


          Which already resonates with your statement that
          I’m not going to change anything in socio-economic policy, at least for the better,

          And yes, trends are more important than facts, so if growth in 1,5% of GDP will go on for three years, then we can already reason

          Quote: alicante11
          No matter how much you bold text, it will not correct the fact that capitalism tends to monopoly. So your "competition" by the very mechanism of capitalism is reduced to "no".

          For this, there is a state to prevent this. And the PLAN can never give the main thing - competition.since the principle "the plan is executed and okay" there will be flagships of everything and everything, we were convinced of this by the example of the USSR, when we were chasing volumes, not efficiency.
          1. Magadan
            Magadan 17 February 2014 10: 43
            +8
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            A PLAN will never be able to give the main thing - competition., Since the principle of "the plan is executed and okay"

            Oh well :) You don’t only say this to the Chinese, otherwise they will make fun of you.
            You just killed me with that phrase. I take my laudatory words about your posts (written above) back.
            Question: and for hell is the competition to a factory that produces planes? Does he have little competition with Boeing and Airbus?
            Say, the airline doesn’t need a plan? Those. is it simply harmful for him to pre-order 1000 aircraft in advance for any State Airlines?
            Or maybe state-owned enterprises are harmful in the defense industry? Then what the hell any kind of weapons of the USSR was better and cheaper than NATO? At the same time, the USSR was three times inferior to NATO in terms of population (i.e., the likelihood of getting design geniuses), and tens of times less in money?
          2. alicante11
            17 February 2014 15: 12
            +4
            Which already resonates with your statement that


            Does not resonate. Germany, for example, before the WWI generally overtook the Anglo-Saxon economically, but how did it end? Whereas after WWII, Russia was in a big ass and was able to get out thanks to socialism.

            And yes, trends are more important than facts, so if growth in 1,5% of GDP will go on for three years, then we can already reason


            You can wait as much as you like for two, three, and five years. You can not play on a foreign field and by the rules of others. To compete with the arrogant Saxon under capitalism is the same as playing cards with a sharpie. How to not understand. We need Stalin's growth rates, not Putin's meager ones.

            For this, the state exists to prevent this. And the PLAN will never be able to give the main thing - competition, since the principle "the plan is fulfilled and okay" will be the flagships of everything and everyone, we were convinced of this by the example of the USSR, when we were chasing volumes, not efficiency.


            Why the state exists is not determined by me and not by you. Our state exists to protect the loot of the oligarchs from the people and from external threats. Everything else - only if it meets these needs and does not prevent officials and oligarchs from getting rich.
          3. Kurkin
            Kurkin April 4 2014 17: 00
            0
            Where do you work? In the outbid companies, which are not producing anything but just speculating, with a huge staff of sales managers, everything and everything did not work? I've happened to work as a lawyer in such a company, and so they work according to plan. Each sales department has its own monthly sales plan. And so everywhere in large corporations. They all work according to plan. Even our legal department was let down a plan to collect debts from contractors.
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 17 February 2014 14: 08
        +5
        Quote: sledgehammer102

        I agree with the text with almost everything, but the graphics are again off topic. Previously, everyone used flights, but rarely. Now few fly, but very often. In terms of industry growth - again I recall AvtoVAZ, plans for reduction were increased from 7000 to 10000 people. These are direct reductions. And how many people will be left without work for allies? In Dimitrovgrad, about 20 percent of people work at enterprises tied to VAZ. In Syzran, a similar situation. Yes, and in Togliatti itself is full of firms producing spare parts, and not fit into the French model.
        As for the article, here I agree - utopia, but with a claim. Most of the problems are rated very correctly. For instance -
        Those. the state is rocking the boat with impunity for officials, higher prices, the commercialization of education and health. But at the same time, he makes sure that he does not cross those “red lines” in the popular mind that will cause an explosion of popular indignation and make the “boat” overkill
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 17 February 2014 17: 00
          -5
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Now few fly, but very often.


          Then you can look at the statistics of car sales in dynamics by year over the past 13 years, or by the growth in retail sales, etc.

          And yes, everyone who has a need / opportunity flies and this is terribly disliked by Russian Railways.

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          In terms of industry growth - again I recall AvtoVAZ, plans to reduce increased from 7000 to 10000 people. These are direct reductions.

          The question is, how will this affect the volume of output? I won’t be surprised that he will grow up.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 17 February 2014 19: 09
            +3
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            The question is, how will this affect the volume of output? I won’t be surprised that he will grow up.

            Increase (maybe) the release of foreign cars screwdriver assembly. The money will go to the owners abroad. And people will be left with nothing. Like in Mexico. But we are not Mexicans. hi
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 17 February 2014 21: 36
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Increase (maybe) the release of foreign cars screwdriver assembly. The money will go to the owners abroad. And people will be left with nothing. Like in Mexico. But we are not Mexicans


              Are you talking about the Volkswagen plant in Kaluga, where will its engines be assembled? Everyone would have such a screwdriver. I’m writing specifically about your AvtoVAZ, people were fired, and the production of cars will grow and what will be the conclusion? It’s right that they fired, but it’s not right that they fired nowhere.
              1. alicante11
                18 February 2014 05: 18
                +2
                So it is under socialism that everyone was guaranteed employment, and under capitalism they are fired "to nowhere."
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 18 February 2014 19: 34
                +1
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                Where will its engines be assembled?

                Valves, pistons and camshafts will still be imported, the same screwdriver. And the profit is taken away.
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                and car production will increase

                I repeat, the production of foreign cars is growing, but in general, volumes are falling, because production of our cars is being reduced, although they occupy their price niche, and there is demand.
          2. alicante11
            18 February 2014 05: 16
            +2
            The question is, how will this affect the volume of output? I won’t be surprised that he will grow up.


            And I won’t be surprised if it falls. However, even if he grows up, where do the laid-off workers go?
      5. and why
        and why 18 February 2014 00: 04
        +2
        Why can't a market economy be planned? In addition to the ownership of the state, the state has enough other levers of influence on the economy. I personally liked the example from the history of the United States when, with the beginning of World War II, the American state built and commissioned tank and aircraft plants, and then transferred them to its automobile and aviation private companies, together with an order for tanks and aircraft. So planning in a market economy is quite possible.
      6. and why
        and why 18 February 2014 00: 04
        0
        Why can't a market economy be planned? In addition to the ownership of the state, the state has enough other levers of influence on the economy. I personally liked the example from the history of the United States when, with the beginning of World War II, the American state built and commissioned tank and aircraft plants, and then transferred them to its automobile and aviation private companies, together with an order for tanks and aircraft. So planning in a market economy is quite possible.
    3. alicante11
      17 February 2014 09: 40
      +7
      Specifically, many in Russia would like a return to socialism. At the same time, the West would like the Russian oligarchs to share the unjustly acquired. Together, this is a challenge for the oligarchs and their power. Given external pressure, it will not be possible to separate power from Russia, which means that these are challenges for Russia as well. It seems to me that I clearly defined these challenges. Not?
      1. and why
        and why 18 February 2014 00: 13
        0
        The West does not want the Russian oligarchs to share the unjustly acquired. The West wants that, from what they profited from, their oligarchs and not only would profit. I don’t know if this is true, but some Western politicians allegedly said that
        Russia does not deserve that all the raw materials on its territory belong to it. I am sure that this opinion is shared not only by our western "partners", but also by the eastern ones, as well as by the southern ones.
        1. alicante11
          18 February 2014 05: 20
          0
          The West does not want the Russian oligarchs to share the unjustly acquired. The West wants that, from what they profited from, their oligarchs and not only would profit.


          Well, this is casuistry. Our oligarchs do not want to give at least 50%, at least 100% :) anyway.
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 18 February 2014 14: 49
          0
          Quote: why
          The West does not want the Russian oligarchs to share the unjustly acquired. The West wants that, from what they profited from, their oligarchs and not only would profit.

          Nonsense. Everything is very simple, the means give power, who received it becomes a natural competitor a hindrance. It is possible to eliminate a competitor not only physically, but also by depriving him of a source of power - funds, otherwise he will have to share power-means and lose his hegemonic position in power.
      2. and why
        and why 18 February 2014 00: 13
        0
        The West does not want the Russian oligarchs to share the unjustly acquired. The West wants that, from what they profited from, their oligarchs and not only would profit. I don’t know if this is true, but some Western politicians allegedly said that
        Russia does not deserve that all the raw materials on its territory belong to it. I am sure that this opinion is shared not only by our western "partners", but also by the eastern ones, as well as by the southern ones.
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 17 February 2014 08: 04
    +6
    [quote] [1. The fundamental difference between a capitalist economy and a socialist one is the existence of private property rights under capitalism, which does not exist under socialism. / Quote] But what kind of system is there in China then? Socialism? Communism? Or capitalism?
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 17 February 2014 08: 33
      +5
      Quote: Igor39
      And in China, what kind of system then? Socialism? Communism? Or capitalism?

      And in China - Sinism.
    2. alicante11
      17 February 2014 09: 51
      +1
      In China - excesses. They are already moving away from the socialist idea. However, they did not come close to her. After all, the social sphere in their pen. And without it, a plan is far from socialism.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 17 February 2014 08: 06
    +9
    Thus, as we see, there are mechanisms that can allow organizing a reserve of socialism on the territory of Russia,

    But the trouble is that wolves like CHUBAIS and their followers roam in this reserve, they are able to ruin any good undertakings for the people based on the interests of foreign sponsors and their oligarchs.
    1. alicante11
      17 February 2014 09: 51
      +2
      That is why we need a moratorium, which this reserve will reliably close.
      1. Gorinich
        Gorinich 17 February 2014 16: 18
        +3
        What is needed is not a moratorium, but political will, which will allow for changes to be made in the country to be squeezed by the tail of thieves and bankers (which are the same thing).
        1. alicante11
          18 February 2014 05: 21
          0
          There is no such will and will not be in the near future, unfortunately.
  4. nokki
    nokki 17 February 2014 08: 27
    +18
    The author's idea is not new: he simply transferred the Stalinist idea of ​​building socialism in one country, so to speak, to a "lower" level - the regional one.

    Far Eastern Federal District and Siberia? So the main raw materials are concentrated there! Will newly-minted oligarchs and businessmen give such a bold piece for a socialist experiment? Not!

    Do not be afraid to learn from Stalin, who was able to put NEP Russia on socialist tracks! Moreover, our capitalism is mainly based on the sale of raw materials and financial fraud.

    Capitalism has given Russia nothing in terms of scientific and technological progress. As for labor, wild capitalization has produced a bunch of speculators and worthless officials. God himself ordered that the body of Russia be cleaned of these lice!

    So, the new is the well-forgotten old! Nationalization, the personnel revolution are not just words, but the only opportunity for Russia to survive!
    1. calocha
      calocha 17 February 2014 08: 38
      +4
      This should be realized at the very top, and there a good half of the supporters of the European path ...
      1. the polar
        the polar 17 February 2014 13: 32
        +5
        Quote: calocha
        This should be realized at the very top, and there a good half of the supporters of the European path ...

        There, all are 100% supporters of their fat moshny, and Russia is good for them.
        1. alicante11
          17 February 2014 15: 16
          +1
          BUT its own moshna not FSUs. And the West is aiming at it for a long time and specifically.
    2. alicante11
      17 February 2014 09: 52
      +1
      The author's idea is not new: he simply transferred the Stalinist idea of ​​building socialism in one country, so to speak, to a "lower" level - the regional one.


      I think this is clear from the name :). The copyright didn't put it just because of the "lower level".
    3. Svetlana
      Svetlana 17 February 2014 10: 22
      +6
      Quote: nokki
      The author's idea is not new: he simply transferred the Stalinist idea of ​​building socialism in one country, so to speak, to a "lower" level - the regional one. Far Eastern Federal District and Siberia? The main raw materials are also concentrated there! Will the newly-minted oligarchs and businessmen give up such a fat piece for a socialist experiment? No!

      You are right on 100%! In the USSR, such an experiment was successful only because of its vast territory and military power. From 1918 to 1941, not a single infection dared to climb ahead of us. And how can one region ensure its security? It was then that he needed his own army, his own internal troops, a security service and so on. This is unreal, of course. If socialism is returned, then immediately in the whole country simultaneously, so that immediately the country's political, social and economic systems, its power structures begin to work in a complex, against each other, and not against each other.
      1. alicante11
        17 February 2014 15: 17
        0
        Security will be provided by the state. For this, of course, have to pay.
  5. Arbatov
    Arbatov 17 February 2014 08: 47
    +2
    In my opinion, the author proceeds from an incorrect message comparing incompatible concepts: the Russian national tolerance (which, by the way, was not characteristic of all the peoples of our empire) and the possibility of the existence of fundamentally different economic formations in a single state.
    The author promises to show the mechanism for building regional socialism in another article. Well, let's see. Let us see how, in the opinion of the author, capitalism and socialism will be built and coexist under one government, which are antagonists by their nature - with respect to ownership of the means of production.
    In addition, remember the islands of socialism (or rather, attempts to preserve socialism) in the 90s: regions of the so-called red belt. There was full F with the economy, because the new and old bourgeois squeezed it to the fullest, wanting to grab EVERYTHING: plants, factories, landman, telegraph and telephone to the heap.
    1. the polar
      the polar 17 February 2014 13: 36
      +4
      Quote: Arbatov
      In my opinion, the author proceeds from an incorrect message comparing incompatible concepts: the Russian national tolerance (which, by the way, was not characteristic of all the peoples of our empire) and the possibility of the existence of fundamentally different economic formations in a single state.
      The author promises to show the mechanism for building regional socialism in another article. Well, let's see. Let us see how, in the opinion of the author, capitalism and socialism will be built and coexist under one government, which are antagonists by their nature - with respect to ownership of the means of production.
      In addition, remember the islands of socialism (or rather, attempts to preserve socialism) in the 90s: regions of the so-called red belt. There was full F with the economy, because the new and old bourgeois squeezed it to the fullest, wanting to grab EVERYTHING: plants, factories, landman, telegraph and telephone to the heap.

      Of course, "regional socialism" is a utopia. If such sprouts appeared somewhere in the region, the current government would have trampled them down, mercilessly. Don't forget Putin's dictum that "the Sovdep economy has brought a lot of harm to Eastern Europe."
  6. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 17 February 2014 09: 13
    +5
    Quote: nokki
    ! Nationalization, the personnel revolution are not just words, but the only opportunity for Russia to survive!

    Totally agree drinks Only now it will not be easy to do this - the aligarchs (and many of them are now in power) will not give up their own so easily, but is this again a civil war? It is possible of course differently, but for this we need a leader like Stalin. It is not paradoxical, but only with tough power it is possible to solve issues with less blood.
  7. demel2
    demel2 17 February 2014 09: 49
    +4
    It seems to me that everything depends on the power of the state, there is no need to invent anything, just push the oligarchs into a certain framework. No matter how much we scold America, but there the oil companies work for 25% and have enough money for development, another example is Norway. And we collect taxes It’s only able to work with unrequited workers (for the time being). And the oligophrenians are all offshore and over the hill. But the state does everything through the railway station. An example of Rusnano was dumped by Chubais’s daughters, he darted his grandmother as always, and now it’s possible to privatize . That is, everything rests on a strong state.
  8. Magadan
    Magadan 17 February 2014 10: 51
    +8
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    "the plan is fulfilled and okay" will be the flagships of everything and everyone, we have seen this on the example of the USSR


    And the flagship of "everything and everyone" in the market will be "a competitor ordered to bureaucrats and great"! "Destroyed the plant at the behest of the Americans and great!" "Conducted a raider seizure and well done"
    You are naive though. To win the competition in the ice cream market, you just need to set the sales inspector on a competitor. What they did against our company at one time. To counterattack a competitor in the ice cream market, it’s enough to bribe his sales manager to flood the competitor’s market and give it to us for a normal kickback. This is what we did in response.
    So no more naive tales about the competition :)
    Right now, food products are competing with each other, so what? Do you really think they are better than Soviet ones?
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 17 February 2014 11: 28
      -2
      Quote: Magadan
      And the flagship of "everything and everyone" in the market will be "a competitor ordered to bureaucrats and great"! "Destroyed the plant at the behest of the Americans and great!" "Conducted a raider seizure and well done"


      For this, there is a state. And society. Which has not dollars in the eyes, but completely different values.
      If the minds are governed not by self-interest, but by a sense of responsibility, then there will be no problems. And you need to start with yourself.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 17 February 2014 14: 30
        +4
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        Which has not dollars in the eyes, but completely different values.

        Where are these saints ?! belay At least now I’ll follow them with the banners. Here the author is also right - the current leadership plays according to the rules of others, and for other people's, Western ideals. All this can be seen by where their children study, and where they invest. hi
        1. Danash I
          Danash I 17 February 2014 17: 42
          +2
          ahead of .... apparently quite old.
  9. xtur
    xtur 17 February 2014 11: 37
    -2
    > In Russia, the primitive Chukchi, quite civilized Russian people, the Finns, wild Ossetians or Chechens, and the Europeanized Balts and Poles, could coexist quite comfortably in Russia.

    this is a consequence of the religiosity of Russia. Political power in Orthodox empire, according to the tradition laid down by Constantine, obliged to protect the values ​​of Christianity throughout the world.
    In Russia, this norm passed from Byzantium, and was even more developed.
  10. Per se.
    Per se. 17 February 2014 11: 44
    +8
    It evokes sympathy, the author's commitment to socialism and his concern for the fate of Russia, everything else, with this "tolerance" in the economy and the hope of creating a "reserve of socialism", seems utopian. Without the nationalization of transport, communications, raw materials, and energy in general, all dreams of this kind about a socialist industrial oasis have no chance, unless it is a community with subsistence farming in the wilds of the Far Eastern taiga. The economy of capitalism is more likely not a science, but the rules of the game, games for money and profit, like in a casino. Those who came up with these rules for themselves at the dawn of capitalism are with bingo. Capitalism will die, sooner or later, as a vicious product with an eternal systemic crisis, in order to get out of the hang-up, which needs a reboot with war, and for development, permanent colonies. Socialism has brought Russia a dynamic development to a superpower because it is not only a more progressive system, but also because overseas "casinos" have found themselves without their total influence. The impossibility of big wars, the liquidation of economic colonies - an aspen stake in the black heart of the ghouls of transnational corporations, these world puppeteers. If the Soviet Union had not perished, which not only developed itself, but also deprived capitalism of sacrificial blood, the days of the bourgeoisie would have been numbered. I don't know why God's providence gave us a new test of thieves and bandits, but I want to believe that in order to understand what we had and what we can have under capitalism or socialism.
  11. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 17 February 2014 12: 06
    +2
    I get the impression that I read a term paper on political economy from a sophomore three-year student.

    The author, no offense and nothing personal, but minus you for this bucket of water.
  12. Alex_on
    Alex_on 17 February 2014 12: 30
    +3
    “After all, I hope no one will believe that such a high-ranking official as V. Matvienko will lobby the interests of juveniles on his own initiative. And not without the participation of the authorities and the oligarchic lobby, juvenile laws were introduced to parliament. It is absolutely clear that these laws were buried. But the society reacted very sharply to this probe. And then the authorities channelized this protest, putting at the head of his pocket “patriotic opposition”, such as “The Essence of Time.” Astakhov's “trick with the ears" can be viewed in the same vein - the Ombudsman suddenly changed his views from the predominance of the rights of children to the need to protect the family. And the apotheosis was the personal arrival of VVP to the congress of the “parent meeting of Russia”, where he officially put an end to the juvenile inclinations of the “liberals”. "

    The author knows the materiel poorly, or pretends to know poorly .....
    There are no "red lines" for current government officials, examples are cubic meters.
    And nothing with juvenile laws is not over yet; they are being actively dragged along at the regional level. Nobody has stopped creating a lower level link for performers, bases for families are being actively formed by schools (ask your friend psychologists at schools what is required of them).
    As for "The Essence of Time" - a pocket opposition: the author either did not understand it again, or did not think about the issue (other tasks). Take a look at www.eot.su for a start and read / listen to the materials.
    Is this pocket opposition often seen on the air? Or only when they really come to the tail of interested parties and howl rises?
    1. alicante11
      17 February 2014 15: 25
      +1
      Exactly, that they are too rarely seen. Just when you need to distract people from the protest organized by other movements. Yes, in the 2011-2012 elections, the Essence of Time did the country a favor. Gathering patriotic-minded people against the white ribbon, who, at the same time, were against the government. But where are they after that? Also with regard to Yu. The Moor has done his job - the Moor can leave. Regarding the regions, it is quite possible that lobbying is at the regional level. This is not observed in the Far East. We categorically forbade our eldest son, a schoolboy, to answer questions about the family at school. And if surveys are being conducted, refuse and immediately call us. During the 3,5 years of our study, there was not a single such survey. Although several times I had to "make a stand", but it was not past, fortunately. So we limited ourselves to a reminder that our family concerns only us and no one else.
  13. 222222
    222222 17 February 2014 12: 40
    +1
    1. Capitalism and socialism are two in one. Two images, two ways in one country .. Wolf and lamb. Who will win ?..
    ... "for a balanced socialist economy, the presence of a private sector is a prerequisite ..."
    ... maybe fixed assets and sectors of the economy are state-owned. The service sector is in private hands.
    2. The planned economy — under capitalism, the plannedness is even higher — look, for example, the budgets of the United States or the work of enterprises on wheels .. by hours and minutes ..
    3 .... transfusion from empty to empty ..
    The question of the distribution of profits .. for the state and its people or for a handful of "appointed oligarchs" and feeding the economies of rival states by exporting capital to these countries and buying their securities ..
  14. AntonR7
    AntonR7 17 February 2014 14: 37
    0
    Capitalism is what I believe is a global phenomenon, and not how the author tries to present the Anglo-Saxon rule of the political game.
    1. alicante11
      17 February 2014 15: 27
      0
      Capitalism is a global phenomenon, but its rules are written by the Anglo-Saxons and spread throughout the world.
  15. explorer
    explorer 17 February 2014 14: 59
    0
    The author may not be right, but the idea is sound: it is possible to implement at least (at worst) a reserve for training new personnel: (we had experience - "Pushkin" Lyceum - the first graduation).
    As the saying goes, if you want to find a non-vermin apple, pick it from a tree.
  16. Alexey M
    Alexey M 17 February 2014 15: 09
    +1
    Capitalism is evil !!! Capitalism and individualism are one and the same. Each tries to earn for himself at the expense of others.
    Socialism Everything around the collective farm everything around me! Individualism is allowed only in the collective. All profits are deservedly deserved. Everything absolutely belongs to the state !!! Hence an endless reserve of resources and, as a result, the fulfillment of tasks. Recognition of the inefficiency of the USSR economy is a myth. ALL THE INDUSTRY of the USSR worked for the STATE !!! And the whole industry the west works for private owners and the main income for private owners and the state goes only taxes and dividends on shares if any. Here from here and the gap in capitalist society, everyone can’t be rich, but in the USSR everyone lived about the same way and there couldn’t be since the state was watching and the KGB worked.
    Capitalists will always defend their way of life and tell tales about the "American" dream and the task of the Russian government to pursue a tough policy towards local capitalists in relation to workers. For not observing the Labor Code, individual entrepreneurs should be imprisoned and deprived of the right to individual entrepreneurship. The average salary should be set according to the region is not a minimum wage of 5000 rubles, but a real salary of 25000 per worker, and the head of the enterprise should be responsible for less. For embezzlement and bribery, citizenship should be deprived even for 101 kilometers. And then everyone will be happy, and the Anglo-Saxons have nothing to do with it.
  17. dropout
    dropout 17 February 2014 15: 15
    0
    Well, just the same "City of the Sun"

    Hotel room


    "Please, valiant husband, explain to me in detail their entire management system. This interests me especially."
  18. Ivan.
    Ivan. 17 February 2014 17: 50
    0
    The fundamental difference between a capitalist economy and a socialist one is the existence of private property rights under capitalism, which does not exist under socialism. Naturally, we won’t be able to get away from private property, enshrined in the Constitution and which is perhaps the only holy article for the elite.

    Private property is not evil. Evil is slavery! Under capitalism, the basis of slavery is the economy itself, its structure and purpose. Under capitalism, the economy and its "development" are at the forefront to the detriment of the country and the people to please the slave owners. Under socialism, the people are a slave to ideology, which is also not good. Power under socialism, realizing itself as a class, sooner or later will gravitate towards capitalism and betray the people. Under both SYSTEMS, the consciousness and goals of man-mankind are systematically suppressed or distorted, man cannot be included in the system without limiting him. The best model, in my opinion, is not against private property, but against the exploitation of man by man, of which there are many forms. In a normal society, individuality is not against the collective, and vice versa, private and public property only complement each other, and any imbalances and distortions sooner or later lead to the collapse of the system. Anything that does not harm the individual and the people as a whole should be allowed, which means flexibility, not the ossification of such a state structure. This will never suit the power, since it is built on restrictions, otherwise it will lose its power. Real power must be built on respect and responsibility, and encourage initiative in every way. Now it is necessary to educate young people in patriotism because no one identifies with their state, because under capitalism and under socialism the people are not the real master of their country. When such questions were irrelevant, people did not separate themselves from their people of the country, it was a long time ago ... but we remember.
    Naturally, we won’t be able to get away from private property, enshrined in the Constitution and which is perhaps the only holy article for the elite.

    This is a mistake to write, all the constitutions are inscribed with a pitchfork over the water, the only reality is that which the people consciously or unconsciously believe and support. Strength is in unity and it is not there, the reasons are known as the fact that without unity people are doomed.
    The topic is big, I can’t raise it and it’s not suitable for the article if someone tries to understand what I wanted to say, there is a chance. In conclusion, I want to say that there is no power higher than CONSCIOUSNESS and we must proceed from this. Consciousness is both an object and a means of achievement and an ultimate goal, the body is only its carrier, Jesus said well: the body is the temple of God.
    1. alicante11
      18 February 2014 05: 30
      0
      What you say is undeniable. The question is different. Power is between the people and the oligarchs. And, of course, that in 90% of cases it will take the side of the oligarchs. Rather, even in 100%, where the interests of the oligarchs and the people intersect. Therefore, we must offer the state an alternative that, without prejudice to the oligarchs, will allow the people to give the opportunity for socialist development.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 18 February 2014 14: 31
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        an alternative that, without prejudice to the oligarchs,

        Ruled out! The emergence and observance of the interests of the people is at odds with the "interests" of the oligaphrens. The only way to somehow combine them is tsarism where the people are the property of the tsar and therefore he will take care, but this stage has been passed irrevocably. Between oligaphrens and the power to correctly equate, and exceptions are necessary to create an illusion among the people.
        An alternative to the usual state of affairs has appeared recently and it is associated with the development of communication technologies (transport, communications, information technology with the Internet, without which we would simply be silent in a rag). Previously, the pyramid of power began with the ruler (it does not matter if it is a king, a military junta, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union or other alternative), that is, its basis was the ruler of the completion of the people and we see a perverted pyramid, turned upside down where the elimination of the top leads to collapse. The alternative is the normal pyramid, which begins with the people and ends with the ruler, the exponent of the people's will, the executive body. This means that power should not be delegated, laws should be adopted by referendums and the executive should only prepare them for adoption. With the development of technology, it is possible to unite people not only through history, the unconscious and "egregors" but also directly through multiple connections that will eliminate barriers, distances between individuals and allow for cluster ties, unity of interests, self-defense against injustice, beliefs, etc. The only super important thing I see is the prohibition on the exploitation of man by man, the rest will follow.
        1. alicante11
          18 February 2014 17: 03
          0
          Oligophrenics have an interest in surviving. And save your wealth. There are teeth on their wealth beyond the hill. No one except the people will protect them. In principle, they already did this once at the end of 90's and the beginning of 2000's. Therefore, I believe that there are chances.
  19. Power
    Power 17 February 2014 20: 26
    +2
    What is it like? What would the wolves be fed and the sheep safe? We built socialism, whether it’s good or bad, that’s another question, and now we are stuck in feudalism. And under their robbery and robbery, pseudo-scientific theories. Gentlemen, the privatizers will not work.
    1. alicante11
      18 February 2014 05: 32
      0
      Exactly. Do you have any other suggestions?
  20. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 17 February 2014 23: 22
    +1
    Due to what the salaries of state employees (I mean doctors, teachers, cultural workers, the social sphere) are growing, yes, due to their reduction, the closure of rural, factory, factory recreation centers and clubs, small schools in the countryside (and hence the "closure" villages), reductions in hospital beds, maternity hospitals, rural outpatient clinics. These are not lumpen! They know how to think, they will not just go on strike, but will also lead them! So that the situation with the current oligarchic capitalism in Russia is “a dark forest, it’s scary!” The socialist model is work for a result for everyone, which is promoted by the planned economy, - gave its results! What a sin to conceal, all of us, both the oligarchs and the rest of the people, are still living off the reserves of the socialist economy! So it's worth it, or find fault with her!
  21. Said
    Said 18 February 2014 00: 36
    +1
    I am for socialism! only in its modern form without the excesses of communism. Therefore, I would not want to call the USSR 2,0-better = Russia ahead!
  22. Avas2006
    Avas2006 18 February 2014 00: 55
    0
    The author is magnanimous, have you read Krylov? About the swan, cancer and pike? Yes, and it would be nice to re-read Lenin. Two bears in the same den will not get along.
    1. alicante11
      18 February 2014 05: 34
      0
      About how the swan cancer pike I remember. But only if you let the swan out into the air, and the crayfish and the pike in their native element, then at least some benefit from them can be. Not 100%, but not 0%.
  23. Magadan
    Magadan 18 February 2014 04: 59
    0
    Quote: alicante11
    In China - excesses. They are already moving away from the socialist idea. However, they did not come close to her. After all, the social sphere in their pen. And without it, a plan is far from socialism.

    It’s just that China cannot yet afford social programs for one and a half billion people. But they are moving in this direction. They have already begun to do something so that the elderly have pensions. You’ll see that there will be 5-10 years in China:

    1) Free higher education. 100% tracing paper of the USSR. Because the probability of getting a brilliant scientist from the 100 million best guys who entered on a competitive basis (as in the USSR) is much higher than from 1 million of those who simply can pay (or risk taking a loan)
    2) Free healthcare. Because it is cheaper to build 1000 hospitals according to a single project than to build one hospital 1000 times. And no capitalist has to pay any profit. This means that the cost of treatment is ten times lower than that of Westerners. Yes, the state will spend the budget. In the west, for example, the budget is not spent. But the employer / the Western state itself is forced to pay more, because otherwise the people will not be able to heal. This means that this "extra pay" of the worker falls entirely and completely on the cost of production. If you take in the United States, then family insurance costs $ 500 / month. This means that a person is FORCED to pay for these $ 500 more than they pay, for example, in Russia. It might not exist if the treatment was 100% free.
    3) I think that housing will also try to provide free of charge. The reasons are the same - 1) to load the work of builders 2) not to pay the employee a salary, one way or another it will have to mean the amount to pay the mortgage 3) 1000 houses of the same type for one state order are cheaper than a thousand times for one house
    1. alicante11
      18 February 2014 05: 36
      0
      There are many advantages in China. The Chinese model of socialism itself is Stalinist. The question is in particulars. The Chinese are leaving due to the exploitation of the population. What we can not afford.