Military Review

Europe is great, but nowhere to retreat before Asia: behind the Atlantic

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Of the two hundred countries of the world, only two were able to establish mass construction of URO destroyers. The rest of the modern fleets for various reasons, one has to compromise and be content with ships of a lower rank.

Frigates!

Warships with a displacement of 4-6 thousand tons, the main purpose of which is to fight with the air and underwater enemy, accompanied by the main forces of the fleet and especially important convoys at any distance from the coast. In terms of the effectiveness of anti-aircraft / anti-missile systems, modern frigates are close to destroyers, but they are inferior to the latter in seaworthiness and strike aspect (lower ammunition, lack of tactical SLCM ammunition in the nomenclature, smaller caliber artillery).

These modest ships acquired the greatest popularity from European customers: Bundesmarine, Marina Militare, Marin Nacional, Koninklike Marin ... Each of the European fleets is weak individually, but together they can crush anyone who dares to disturb peace in the waters of the European Union. However, all the talk about the opposition of the Russian Mediterranean squadron and European sailors are far from reality: European frigates are peaceful ships. They are focused on solving purely defensive tasks.

Europe is great, but nowhere to retreat before Asia: behind the Atlantic

Most of the “Europeans” are structurally underloaded due to cost savings. If necessary, you can install them a damn lot weapons. A striking example is the Dutch "De Zeven Provinsien", whose creators saved on the sixth section of the OHR.

As a rule, these are large combat units, whose dimensions closely approach those of destroyers, and the total displacement reaches six thousand tons or more. All of them are the ships of the NATO countries united by common standards and the tactical Link 16 data exchange network, which makes it possible to communicate with any other NATO ship or combat aircraft in real time. Smaller size and ammunition in comparison with full-fledged destroyers are compensated by the technical perfection of their structures. Each eurofreight is a masterpiece of shipbuilding, created with the latest advances in science and technology. For a range of combat characteristics, they can seriously compete with the Russian nuclear-powered cruiser and "shut up" the American super-destroyer Orly Burk.

Despite the apparent diversity, all euro-frigates belong to three large groups.

Germans

Representatives:
- Air defense frigates of the “Saxony” type (Germany) - built 3 units;
- Air defense frigates / command ships of the type “De Zeven Provinsen” (Netherlands) - 4 units.
- Air defense frigates of the type "Iver Hyatfeld" (Denmark) - 3 units.

Export: periodically there is information related to plans to build a pair of frigates, like the German Sachsen-Klasse, for the Israeli Navy.



Frigate with guided missile weapons (URO) "Hamburg"

Strong Teutonic character, faceted "tower" of the foremast, coloring "thunder gray" ... The frigates of the northern countries demonstrate the seriousness of their intentions.

The main thing that binds these small but powerful ships - the principle of building air defense. Inside the truncated pyramid in front of the superstructure, there are hidden blocks of the APAR system - a small electronic miracle created by the hands of Thales Nederland's specialists. Multifunctional radar with four active headlights, each array of which consists of 3424 receiving-transmitting modules operating in the X-band.


Frigate / command ship "Tromp" of the Netherlands Navy

In addition to APAR, the radar system of the SMART-L UHF radar (active PAR, mechanical azimuth scanning) is included in the radio engineering complex of means of detecting ships. This radar is designed to control airspace at long range - 480 km, with the prospect of detecting blocks of ballistic missiles at extra-atmospheric altitudes from a distance of up to 1000 km. In fact, each Euro-frigate is a mobile version of a missile attack warning station (EWP)!



Unlike the powerful but farsighted SMART-L, the priority task of the APAR centimeter radar is to monitor the horizon and timely detect targets moving against the backdrop of water. Among other features of the unique station are the work in the surveillance radar mode (automatic tracking to 200 of air targets at a distance of 150 km), navigation and artillery fire adjustment.

APAR's tasks include not only detecting, recognizing and tracking hundreds of low-flying objects, but also controlling anti-aircraft fire: APAR generates “beams” for transmitting commands to the Zur autopilot, and also performs target illumination for semi-active guided missiles (ICWI technology, which had no analogues in the world). The capabilities of the radar allow you to simultaneously coordinate the flight to the ESSM 32 missiles on the main line, incl. 16 at the terminal stage!


"Iver Heathfeld". It is curious that the Danish frigate is built on the basis of the transport and combat ship of the Absalon type (in the background is the Norwegian frigate of the type F.Nansen)

APAR capabilities are clearly excessive in comparison with the ammunition of German, Danish and Dutch frigates. American technologies are used as anti-aircraft weapons - underdeck UVP, anti-aircraft missiles of the “Standerd-2” family and ESSM.

Saxony (Sahsen-Klasse) - 32 cells UVP MK.41. Standard ammunition consists of SM-32 Block IIIA 2 long-range anti-aircraft missiles and ESSM short-range and medium-range missiles (24 in each cell).

"De Zeven Province" - 40 cells UVP MK.41. Standard ammunition - 32 SM-2 Block IIIA and 32 missiles ESSM.

Danish "Iver Heathfeld" - 32 cells Mk.41 to run SM-2 Block IIIA. Also on board is the Mk.56 UVP, intended for the storage and launch of ESSM 24 missiles.

Also, the composition of the armament of the European frigates includes: American Harpun anti-ship missiles (8-16 pcs.), Italian universal guns of the 76 caliber and 127 mm, anti-submarine systems MK.32 and MU.90. Various means of self-defense - the RIM-116 missile systems, the Mauser and Oerlikon automatic cannons with remote targeting, the Goalkeeper anti-aircraft guns; 1-2 helicopter. One of the German frigates (F220 "Hamburg") for the experiment was equipped with a tower with a 155 mm gun from SAU Pz.2000. Germans, Danes and the Dutch tactfully refused to equip their Tomahawk frigates.

At present, the Yankees are scaring Europeans with Iranian ballistic missiles and Russian Iskanders, offering to place Stender-3 interceptor missiles on board the frigates. The proposal sounds quite realistic: the means of detecting and controlling fire potentially allows evrofrigates to hit targets in near-earth orbit.


"Hamburg" accompanies the AUG, led by the aircraft carrier "Dwight Eisenhower"

Due to their outstanding ability to combat airborne targets, euro-frigates are popular in the Pentagon. They are often “invited” to joint exercises and prefer to put aircraft carrier strike groups in the air defense order. If a German frigate comes along, the Yankees can sleep peacefully, no enemy rocket is terrible to them.

Southerners

Representatives: Frégate européenne multi-mission multi-mission frigates (FREMM).

France - ordered 8 units (subtype “Aquitaine”), 2 is currently built, construction continues. Italy - ordered 8 units (subtype "Bergamini"), in the period from 2008 to 2014. 3 was built, construction continues.

Exports: the frigate "Mohammed VI" - built in France for the Moroccan Navy (2014 g.). Six frigates FREMM planned to buy Greece, but because of the well-known events, the Greeks had to abstain from buying so much expensive equipment. To date, an agreement has been reached on the leasing to the navy of Greece of two frigates FREMM from the composition of the French naval forces.




Cheerful "pasta" that "know how to build ships, but they absolutely can not fight them." And technologically advanced France, which has always adhered to an independent defense policy. The symbiosis of two luminaries of the world shipbuilding gave a logical result - the FREMM frigate went out to everyone to envy.

Strictly speaking, FREMM is a step back and away. The Europeans know how to build and better - even 10 years ago, the bet was placed on air defense frigates of the Horizon type. But this ship turned out to be too expensive - each frigate the size of a good destroyer cost the governments of Italy and France at a price of over 1 billion euros per piece!

Modern FREMM is an attempt to reduce costs, coupled with the desire to increase the situational "flexibility" of the ship. The concept of air defense was completely revised - the place of the unique combination of radar EMPAR (search for NLC) and S1850M (sky survey) was taken by:

On the French ships - a single multifunctional radar Héraklès.

3D radar decimeter range, designed to detect any type of air and surface targets within the radio horizon. The maximum detection range of objects at high altitudes can reach 250 km. It is possible to create dozens of radio channels to control the flight of missiles launched by the missile defense system and the “illumination” mode of targets - despite the fact that Herakles works in conjunction with Aster-15 / 30 missiles with active radar homing.

On Italian ships - KRONOS MFRA.

3D-centimeter-range radar with active lights, capable of tracking movements up to 300 air targets. Designed to provide air defense of the frigate in the near zone, with a partial performance of the function of a radar long-range view. Able to perform the functions of radar flight control anti-aircraft missiles.


Multipurpose frigate of the Navy of Italy "Carlo Bergamini"

Of course, “uniform radar for detecting any targets” is a bitter irony: the Europeans had to sacrifice zone defense and / or weaken control over the near zone. But these are the requirements of the time - the creators of FREMM met the required estimate (from € 470 million for an export frigate for the Moroccan Navy to € 592 million for French frigates, excluding R & D).

In fact, FREMM is a whole family of multifunctional frigates: “Aquitaine”, “Berganini”, FREDA ... for every taste of the customer!

Franks bought two modifications for their Navy:

Multipurpose "Aquitaine" equipped with two types of UVP - 16 cells SYLVER A-43 to launch anti-aircraft "Aster-15" and 16 cells SYLVER A-70 to launch SCALP Naval (European analogue of the Tomahawk cruise missile).

FREDA air frigate - An updated Heracles radar and 32 UVL SYLVER A-50 cells for launching Aster-30 long-range anti-aircraft missiles.


French frigate "Aquitaine", seen in the distance UDC type "Mistral"

Italians also take two options:

Multi-purpose frigate "Carlo Bergamini" - 16 SYLVER A-50 UVP cells, Aster-15 / 30 anti-aircraft missiles. Reserved space for the installation of UVP with SLCM SCALP Naval, but the money for UVP and missiles was not enough.

Anti-submarine "Virginia Pheasant" - in addition to UVP, a complex of anti-submarine missiles MILAS is being installed. There are differences in artillery - 127 mm universal gun was replaced by a gun caliber 76 mm.

The rest is a typical set: 8 of Exocet anti-ship missiles (France) or Outot (Italy), MU90 small-size anti-submarine torpedoes, 76 mm artillery with the ability to fire guided anti-aircraft ammunition. 1 or 2 helicopter.



A key feature of the "southern" Euro-frigates is their traditional identity. Pride does not allow the use of other people's ideas - in the FREMM design foreign technologies are almost completely absent (with the exception of the licensed GTE of General Electric LM2500 and the accepted NATO communication bands).

Group №3. Copypasters

Representatives:
- frigates of the type "Alvaro de Basan" (Spain) - 5 units;
- Frigate Nansen type frigates (Norway) - 5 units.
Export:
- Hobart-type air defense destroyer (Australia) - 1 was laid, plans for the construction of 3-s ships.




A bunch of technically backward idlers, whose mind and talent were only enough to copy the destroyers of the US Navy with the outdated Aegis system.

Joke. The Spaniards - noble shipbuilders. But this time, in an effort to avoid unnecessary expenses, it was decided not to reinvent the wheel, but to base the body and stuffing of the American Aegis destroyer, optimizing it for local conditions. Seeing that the Spanish efforts were crowned with success, the idea of ​​Aegis frigate was adopted by the Norwegians and Aussies. The latter, in view of the heightened sense of their own grandeur, classify Hobart as a destroyer.

In fact, “Alvaro de Basan” is a “castrated” version of the destroyer “Orly Burke” of the IIA sub-series, which inherited from the latter all the hereditary advantages and disadvantages. The number of Mk.41 cells was reduced from 96 to 48 units, the displacement decreased, the third anti-aircraft fire control radar disappeared somewhere. As a result, Basan, with its two SPG-62s, is completely unable to repel massive air attacks. Only two simultaneously illuminated targets - one each on course and stern corners. Compare this with the German Sachsen-Klasse (32 control channel, including 16 at the terminal site)!

However, in some ways the “Spaniard” turned out to be even better than its progenitor: Navantia engineers managed to rebalance the ship and ensure greater installation height of the AN / SPY-1 (D) radar antenna arrays without any loss of stability. The extra 5 meters of the antenna suspension height have extended the radio horizon by several kilometers, thereby winning a dozen or so precious seconds while repelling low-flying anti-ship missile attacks.

The rest of the "Basan" - a typical frigate: 32 ZUR large and 64 ZUR medium range, 8 PKR "Harpoon", 127 mm gun Mk.45 (old version), funny Spanish 12-barrel "metal cutter" Meroka 20 mm mm 12M. torpedoes (they were not stingy here) and the Si Hawk antisubmarine helicopter.

In addition to anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles, the Yankees tried to sell the Spaniards SLCM "Tomahawk", but those who realized what it was, from the "lucrative offer" refused. Possession of a cruise missile capable of hitting a specified house at 1600 km distance not only enhances self-esteem, but also entails economic responsibility. In the event of a new local war, the Yankees will politely “ask” the Allies to defuse the ammunition of their ships at targets in enemy territory. Thus, saving "Uncle Sam" a good hundred million. And then you have to buy again the rocket in the United States. But for my money.


Spanish Hidalgo!




Norwegian Fridtjof Nansen turned out to be no less cheerful. The Vikings even more "cut off" the Spanish frigate, leaving only one 8-cell UVP. According to the Norwegian sailors, they needed a large patrol frigate to protect their arctic treasures. Obviously, the Norwegians do not notice any real military threats in that region. To combat walrus and seals, the 32 medium-range / short-range ESSM is sufficient.


HNoMS Fridtjof Nansen (F310)



From this angle, the desert deck is clearly visible in the bow with the only section of the OHR



Launch of the frigate "Thor Heyerdahl", 2009 year
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  1. ABV
    ABV 17 February 2014 08: 37
    +16
    Bravo for the review! great photos and analytics ...
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 17 February 2014 09: 19
      +4
      Quote: ABV
      Bravo for the review!

      With great pleasure I join! OLEG-thanks for the work. hi
      1. AVV
        AVV 17 February 2014 12: 38
        +3
        Quote: Arberes
        Quote: ABV
        Bravo for the review!

        With great pleasure I join! OLEG-thanks for the work. hi

        We need to take the best weapons in the west, add our own and make a masterpiece !!! So far, frigates, corvettes, then destroyers, cruisers, someday we will get to the aircraft carrier, when more modest ships will be enough !!!
    2. kerosene
      kerosene 17 February 2014 14: 21
      -9
      Analytics from the word "anal". Blind admiration for the West. Meanwhile, the characteristics of the weapons have not been disclosed, the resistance of their radars to electronic warfare means has not been disclosed. What is the article about? Blah-blah-blah Europeans made cool ololo pysch-pysch ships with a destroyer displacement and weapons of a wretched corvette? Let's take the UR SM-2 - the speed of 3M is at altitude, unsuitable for shooting at low-altitude and high-speed targets! Take Harpoon - subsonic crap with a launch range of 280 km, and then, only for the RGM-84D2 version. Can we compare with Onyx? Which has a launch range of up to 460 km and a speed of up to 3M? Or maybe a Vulcan anti-ship missile with a launch range of up to 700 km and the ability to carry a tactical nuclear charge with a capacity of up to a megaton, which can destroy any group of ships?

      Article - niochem, bullshit.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 17 February 2014 15: 00
        +14
        Comrade Admiral Kerosene, are you probably twice the hero of Call of Duty ?? The article provides an overview of the ships of a potential enemy, where did you see the praise here? Take it, take it .... play a naval battle or what? Hit, miss? Try to fight back in your virtual battle from 15-20 subsonic horseradish with a launch range of 280 km. And frigates, like ships are really not bad, put our weapons on them so they will not be priced.
        1. kerosene
          kerosene 18 February 2014 06: 52
          +1
          Which review? The whole article consists of solid pearls.

          The priority task of the APAR centimeter radar is tracking the horizon and timely detection of targets moving against the background of water. Among other features of the unique station is the work in the surveillance radar mode (automatic tracking of up to 200 air targets at a distance of 150 km)


          Now look at the official document from Thales group
          https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/Datasheet%20APAR_
          DS154_10_12_HR.pdf

          The possibility of detecting low-altitude targets at a distance of up to 75 km and all others up to 150 km is indicated. There is not a word about the "200 tracked" targets, which the author picked up from the Anglo-American murziloks.

          The capabilities of the radar allow you to simultaneously coordinate the flight to 32 of ESSM missiles on the marching section, including 16 at the terminal stage!


          This is generally glue from the nostrils. The official dock only says - "Proven system performance in more than 30 live firings"That is, more than 30 live launches of missiles were carried out and that's it.

          The rest of the delirium is even lazy to disassemble. Especially about the "unprecedented air defense capabilities" and about SM-3s which are like against Iskander, although Iskander has a quasi-ballistic missile and flies at an altitude of 5! times less than it is capable of intercepting the kinetic interceptor from the SM-3, which operates in space at an altitude of 250 km.
          1. Santa Fe
            18 February 2014 08: 46
            0
            Quote: kerosene
            The capabilities of the radar allow you to simultaneously coordinate the flight to 32 of ESSM missiles on the marching section, including 16 at the terminal stage!

            This is generally glue from the nostrils. The official dock says only - "Proven system performance in more than 30 live firings". That is, more than 30 live launches of missiles were carried out and that's it.

            In the garden of elderberry. and in Kiev - uncle
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 17 February 2014 16: 43
        +2
        Quote: kerosene
        Article - Nothing, Bullshit

        I look forward to your patriotic article, with the correction of all the shortcomings of Oleg, I read with pleasure.
    3. kerosene
      kerosene 17 February 2014 14: 25
      -3
      Does anyone know that our 48N6DM missiles with a launch range of up to 250 km can also attack sea targets, or that they can carry a tactical nuclear charge in order to destroy all that Americans have in the air with one or two missiles?
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 17 February 2014 18: 31
        +4
        Quote: kerosene
        they can carry a tactical nuclear charge

        And what?
        When it comes to TK, the frigates have nothing to do there. Moreover, it is unlikely that anyone will discern the special difference between a tactical nuclear weapon and a strategic nuclear weapon when the dust above the planet after a nuclear winter disperses.
        But without excess dust, arranging a local no-fly zone in the size of the visible horizon at the place of discharge of the C300 or C400 is a good option.
        And then C300 / 400/500 will arrange a no-fly zone up to orbit "and a little further."
    4. cdrt
      cdrt 17 February 2014 16: 17
      +3
      Many thanks to the author for the excellent review.
      That's just why there are only two countries that have mastered the destroyer?
      Sort of:
      - US
      - Japan
      - South Korea
      this is at least 3 countries

      Well, it is not clear why the United Kingdom did not get its Type 45.
      1. Santa Fe
        17 February 2014 16: 58
        +3
        Quote: cdrt
        Many thanks to the author for the excellent review.

        You are welcome. Comment on health
        Quote: cdrt
        That's just why there are only two countries that have mastered the destroyer?

        only two were able to fix mass construction destroyers URO
        There are only two of them - staff members and Japan
        Quote: cdrt
        - South Korea

        Total 3 King Segen, the rest are corvettes and frigates
        Quote: cdrt
        why the UK with its Type 45 did not hit.

        No, xnumx tons is too much

        By the way, Britain has only 6 destroyers Type45, the rest 13-frigates type23 (in the future - frigates type26 Global Combat Ship)
  2. Arbatov
    Arbatov 17 February 2014 09: 45
    +3
    Soundly, competently, beautifully!
  3. Serg65
    Serg65 17 February 2014 09: 57
    +5
    Great review article! Oleg, you’ve got great articles, I’ve even changed my attitude towards you, just ask you, don’t go into strategic research, this is not a thankful job.
    1. Santa Fe
      17 February 2014 16: 39
      +2
      Quote: Serg65
      Do not go into strategic research, this is not a thankful job.

      strategic)))
  4. kirgudu
    kirgudu 17 February 2014 10: 03
    +1
    They have a look of some kind not of the first freshness, as if they were already walking for about 20 years.
    1. roma-belij
      roma-belij 17 February 2014 11: 59
      +6
      Dear kirgudu, after 2 weeks at sea, even a freshly painted ship is covered with rust stains, drips, etc. And if there were rocket firing, then the view is even sadder. Therefore, any return to the port begins with painting and a VERY big tidy. The appearance of the ship does not depend much on age.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 17 February 2014 15: 06
        +5
        Quote: roma-belij
        Dear kirgudu, after 2 weeks at sea, even a freshly painted ship is covered with rust stains, drips, etc. And if there were rocket firing, then the view is even sadder. Therefore, any return to the port begins with painting and a VERY big tidy. The appearance of the ship does not depend much on age.


        Well, why? An age ship is immediately noticeable, frames like ribs of an old nag stick out, dents from heroic raids, crumpled stern section from dashing mooring.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 17 February 2014 18: 44
          +2
          Quote: Serg65
          Well, why? An age ship is immediately noticeable, frames like ribs of an old nag stick out, dents from heroic raids, crumpled stern section from dashing mooring.


          Hmm .. At the age of talking?
          You can catch a flurry in the port and hold the ship with its stern against the berth or catching the bulk on the berth the day after delivery and before delivery to the customer.
          It is also possible to catch the "ninth shaft" ("nonlinear" wave) with the cheekbone during sea trials before delivery. She happens from the dead swell and climbs out in complete calm. Especially in the northern seas, shafts are heavy-skinned. Here is a set of frames appeared. If at all a hole in the stem the size of a KAMAZ does not appear.
          Well, dashing raid tugs - it's generally just like the return of mooring lines - an inevitable thing.
          So for six months to roll a freshly launched ship - all the more lightweight in the fuselage - it is not difficult.
          Port and river tugs are "freshened" for full navigation.
          Especially if they get into the cut.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 18 February 2014 07: 49
            +3

            You can catch a flurry in the port and hold the ship with its stern against the berth or catching the bulk on the berth the day after delivery and before delivery to the customer.

            How far the naval art of navigation has come !!!!! Resting the stern in the mooring wall is how? With a squall, with this approach to stern, you get a Spanish rose and not a dent!
            If at all a hole in a stem the size of a KAMAZ does not appear.
            This is generally a fiction oil painting. good I won’t even talk about the ninth shaft.

            So for six months to roll a freshly launched ship

            Compare the RRC "Moscow" with 1982 in the ranks and the TFR (BOD) "Sharp-witted" in the ranks since 1969, so heaven and earth, although both are not young at all.
  5. Nayhas
    Nayhas 17 February 2014 10: 03
    +6
    Good job Oleg! Of course, there was a traditional kick to Aegis, but nothing ...
    I would like to stand up for the Norwegians. They managed to raise AN / SPY-1 antennas above water level higher than anyone else. The fact that one eight-element MK41 section is installed is yes, but space is reserved for another section. Well, the eight best Naval Strike Missile RCCs in the world are not khukh-mukhras. The only minus is just one helicopter, but damn the displacement is only 5 thousand tons! For the conditions of Norway, there could be no better.
    PS: and yet, the scarecrow in the form of a Long Range Acoustic Device remained unnoticed by you.
    1. Santa Fe
      17 February 2014 16: 50
      +3
      Quote: Nayhas
      Of course, there was a traditional kick to Aegis

      30 years have passed, and the Yankees continue to twist the old barrel organ
      Quote: Nayhas
      They managed to raise AN / SPY-1 antennas above water level higher than anyone else

      Yes, there was originally a crazy idea. With this versatile radar and its array

      Burke is really designed somehow wonderfully, the antennas are too low (in the background - the Spaniard)
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 17 February 2014 17: 40
      +1
      eight of the best Naval Strike Missile in the world

      um from now on in more detail.
      Joint Strike Missile for me is so interesting because of the media.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 18 February 2014 08: 40
        0
        Quote: leon-iv
        um from now on in more detail.

        What distinguishes NSM from all other RCC.
        1. Weight, TOTAL 410kg.! The lightest anti-ship missiles with a range of 200 km.
        2. Dimensions, length 3,95m. (this is with a starting accelerator)
        3. Excellent TGSN with high noise immunity. In general, the TGSN is the most reliable type of GOS. Any RLGSN can be crushed by interference, because it's hard to fit a powerful radar into the dimensions of an anti-ship missile system. All anti-ship missiles with RLGSN give themselves away by the radiation of their seeker, which warns the attacked ship of an attack and allows you to set up jamming in time, to alert the air defense system. The TGSN has a wider field of view, does not give out anti-ship missiles with any radiation, is guided by the ship's infrared radiation (which is always higher than the water temperature), reflected UV radiation, plus the visible image of the ship itself.
        Those. Norwegians were able to create in the smallest dimensions RCC with a reliable guidance system and long range. Mass and dimensional characteristics are important in terms of expanding the range of media, as well as the number of RCC on the media.
        Quote: leon-iv
        Joint Strike Missile for me is so interesting because of the media.

        NSM from JSM differs only in the location of the air intake, as well as the absence of a starting accelerator, which reduced the weight to 340 kg. The rest is the same NSM. What makes JSM even more attractive is the ability to launch from a helicopter, which allows you to deliver accurate shots at a greater distance.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 18 February 2014 11: 45
          0
          1. Weight, TOTAL 410kg.! The lightest anti-ship missiles with a range of 200 km.

          Bch frail
          2. Dimensions, length 3,95m. (this is with a starting accelerator)

          There is no alternative chemistry yet.
          Excellent TGSN with high noise immunity.

          These are words, what range for example?
          All anti-ship missiles with RLGSN give themselves out as radiation from their GOS, which warns the attacked ship of the attack and allows you to set interference during operation and alert air defense systems.

          Vashcheto ISN has long been used. But normal ships have radars that should detect a missile before it launches the GOS.
          In general, TGSN is the most reliable type of GOS

          No, each GOS has its own problems.

          Those. Norwegians were able to create in the smallest dimensions RCC with a reliable guidance system and long range. Mass and dimensional characteristics are important in terms of expanding the range of media, as well as the number of RCC on the media.

          It should be read that the Norwegians made a cheap mass racket to destroy weak ships and strong ones during mass launches. Also interesting are the conditions for using the Rocket. And also with what range the target is captured. What is the real viewing angle of the seeker.
          For a Helicopter airplane, normal for NK is weak.
  6. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 17 February 2014 10: 39
    +6
    We would have such electronics as the Germans.
  7. tlauicol
    tlauicol 17 February 2014 11: 13
    +1
    the composition of the armament suggests that they already do not see our fleet point blank, and generally do not seriously consider it. the only thing that bothers them is the ICBMs and the remnants of aviation. sadness
    1. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 17 February 2014 12: 44
      +5
      Europeans consider the threat (primary) only from the air. They go by compounds or as part of the USA AUG. What are they afraid of?
  8. sevtrash
    sevtrash 17 February 2014 11: 17
    +4
    The most interesting thing is missing - comparisons with Soviet-Russian destroyers / frigates. Maybe the author will make another article? Well it turns out.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 February 2014 12: 59
      +5
      destroyer project 956 "sarych" or "modern"
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 17 February 2014 15: 09
        +5
        What hat to go nuts, in my time for such a hat, the heating was cruel am
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      4. dustycat
        dustycat 17 February 2014 18: 48
        +3
        A bear sits on a pipe ...
        For this and on the shore, you can get a quarter from the leaders without a bonus.
      5. silver_roman
        silver_roman 17 February 2014 19: 10
        +1
        probably floating on a clean crude oil)))
    2. kerosene
      kerosene 17 February 2014 14: 12
      -8
      And what is there to compare? We have tactical nuclear weapons, but they don’t. Therefore, on the drum how many UVP they have there or what type of radar. They are physically not able to bring down a heavy Granite bar with 2,8M and carrying a charge of a megaton class even today. And on the way we have a hypersonic Zircon-S with a launch range of 1300 km.
      1. vyatom
        vyatom 17 February 2014 14: 37
        +7
        Quote: kerosene
        And what is there to compare? We have tactical nuclear weapons, but they don’t. Therefore, on the drum how many UVP they have there or what type of radar. They are physically not able to bring down a heavy Granite bar with 2,8M and carrying a charge of a megaton class even today. And on the way we have a hypersonic Zircon-S with a launch range of 1300 km.

        But it is not clear why the Norwegians behave in the Barents Sea in such a businesslike way?
      2. dustycat
        dustycat 17 February 2014 18: 50
        +2
        Quote: kerosene
        We have tactical nuclear weapons, but they don’t.


        And what?
        Have you been told about the anti-nuclear convoy?
        And the expense is one to one.
        So why make it more expensive ?!
    3. Santa Fe
      17 February 2014 16: 35
      +3
      Quote: sevtrash
      comparisons with Soviet-Russian destroyer / frigate models.

      These are ships of different classes. Caucasians have healthy frigates, almost destroyers (in 6 and more than thousand tons) Our 11356 is almost 1,5 times smaller.

      Although any ship is huge compared to man. For example. Indian Talwar - Export 11356. Close - a whole battleship)))
    4. cdrt
      cdrt 17 February 2014 16: 38
      +1
      Quote: sevtrash
      The most interesting thing is missing - comparisons with Soviet-Russian destroyers / frigates. Maybe the author will make another article? Well it turns out.


      Well ... how do you compare it?
      The duel situation is clearly far-fetched because the NATO troops in serious trouble really go only to guard the ACG.
      And so - our ships traditionally have very strong anti-ship missiles -
      this is if 956 (how many of them remain in the composition - 2-3 pieces) and not bad regarding air defense.
      BOD - missiles weaker, anti-aircraft defense, too, after all, this is an analogue of the Sprouts, it was the 10th thing that they initially fought with ships to fight.
      In this case, we must actually compare our KUG:
      for example, Peter the Great or one of 1164 + EM URO + 2 BODs with support of 1 A and 949) against the AUG consisting of AB + 1-971 Ticonderoges + 1-2 Orly + 2 PLA Los Angeles or QEII + 3-2 Deringa + 2-3 FR URO 1 + 2-23 Astyut.

      And by the way, it turns out that our destroyers (those same 2-3 956) will do their job quite well.
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 17 February 2014 22: 38
        0
        Quote: cdrt
        Well ... how do you compare it?


        Well, of course, not a duel situation. The same thing that Oleg noted for the above frigates - the possibility of air defense, anti-submarine defense. At what range, what can they detect, accompany, at what distance and what and how much to shoot down, with what probability, ammunition.
      2. kplayer
        kplayer 18 February 2014 21: 47
        0
        What!? are there 956 destroyers, good air defense?
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  9. USNik
    USNik 17 February 2014 13: 49
    +2
    Quote: Nayhas
    Well, eight the best in the world of RCC Naval Strike Missile is not a muhra muhra.
    Eemmmm, I'm certainly not a specialist, but I still don't understand how the heavier and supersonic Yakhont can lose to the lighter and subsonic Naval Strike Missile?
    1. UpgradeComplete
      UpgradeComplete 17 February 2014 13: 59
      +2
      But what is there to understand? since the White House says that these missiles are the best - it means so! Or do you disagree? Americans are great wars, they won the Second World War, and in general all the wars in which they participated, they know better. All more do not ask such questions. The eye of the Sarumyan is watching you.
    2. kerosene
      kerosene 17 February 2014 14: 27
      -4
      When a Jew and other defeatists have nothing to boast about, they begin to boast of "Pamela Anderson's boobs." This is a psychological complex.
    3. Santa Fe
      17 February 2014 16: 29
      +1
      Quote: USNik
      How can the heavier and supersonic Yakhont lose to the lighter and subsonic Naval Strike Missile?

      I'm not sure about the "best" NSM, but another small-sized anti-ship missile - the American "Harpoon" is really surprising:

      It was installed on American battleships, cruisers, destroyers, European frigates, Iranian missile boats (inclined launcher Mk.143), launched from single-beam launchers (MK.11 and Mk.13), from an 8-round box-type launcher "ASROK" (on frigates "Knox"), from ground trailers (coastal missile batteries of the Netherlands Navy) ... There is a version for an underwater launch from standard TA submarines (SUB-Harpoon). Aviation can carry them in packs - B-52, Orion patrol, F-16, F / A-18 (a couple of pieces will be raised without problems). The missile was integrated into the avionics of the old A-6 attack aircraft and the anti-submarine Vikings - the Harpoon was carried by everyone who could lift it. And almost everyone could lift it

      Massive use, simplicity, unification

      Try to tell the same about Onyx / Yakhont. A huge price was paid for supersonic - "Onyx" turned out to be 1,5 times longer than Harpoon and 2 times thicker. The mass is 5-6 times more. Even a large bomber (of the Su-34 type) will not lift more than one, it will not work to launch a torpedo tube through 533 mm, you cannot put on any boat / felucca = Restriction on carriers
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 17 February 2014 17: 07
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        About the "best"

        I wonder how "Admiral Gorshkov" is there? Something is deathly silence everywhere, the gun was screwed on or not in a month and a half?
        We didn’t have time to do it, and one could also pity in your article, for comparison.
        1. Santa Fe
          17 February 2014 17: 18
          +2
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          screw the gun or not for a month and a half?

          The last photo was from Roman (who is 1977), "Gorshkov" as of January 18, 2014. No Pooh
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          We didn’t have time to do it, and one could also pity in your article, for comparison.

          No way too much for 1 article
          Next time about Gorshkov, 11356 and Talvars
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 17 February 2014 21: 47
            0
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            The last photo was from Roman (who is 1977), "Gorshkov" as of January 18, 2014. No Pooh

            The cannon is ready, people say they must install it, they are going to the Baltic Sea Chemical Institute in the spring to carry out the spring hunting.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Next time about Gorshkov, 11356 and Talvars

            We will wait, read, discuss. Thanks for the work.
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 17 February 2014 17: 54
        +3
        Well, what to compare there and the tactics of application are different, and here the missiles are different.
        Their main attacks on NK are the AUG aircraft, our submarines and NK. We have "single" super-powerful carriers, they are "cheap" and massive. So in the case of badabum, they will screw up the anti-ballistic missile system and blow up a couple before the main volley, observe a suitable reaction of the foe, and other rocketry puddle towards the goal. Well, the adversary, too, will not deny himself SBS.
        The USSR fleet had problems with strikes against ground targets. Yes, than drown the pelvis of any Zimbabweans at an affordable price.
        Massive use, simplicity, unification

        Duc therefore began to cut the Caliber / Club.
      3. PLO
        PLO 17 February 2014 18: 19
        +1
        Even a large bomber (such as Su-34) will not lift more than one, it will not work to launch a torpedo launcher through 533 mm, cannot be put on any boat / felucca = Media Restriction

        the mass of ship Onyx is 3 tons, the aviation version is probably less due to the lack of a solid fuel accelerator
        Su-34s can carry 3 pieces without problems, although the optimal load for a decent range is 2 Onyx and PTB-3000

        IMHO, in the foreseeable future, only the Su-34 with Onyx has the ability to at least somehow replace the Tu-22M3
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 17 February 2014 19: 50
          0
          the mass of ship Onyx is 3 tons, the aviation version is probably less due to the lack of an aviation version
          1. Santa Fe
            17 February 2014 20: 09
            0
            Quote: Tlauicol
            due to the lack of an aviation option

            Air-based model "Brahmos"

            Heavy, of course. More than one Su-30 will not take
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 18 February 2014 05: 52
              0
              very funny Oleg! and how to apply this miracle? hang 1-3-8 rockets under the plane (as manufacturers have promised for 15 years) - and ram the ship? At the same time, they have the audacity to compare a non-existent missile with NSM, RBS, Harpoon and say how much better it is.

              what was conceived as a good idea, (although there were already analogues in the world for a long time) is already going through its time, without having ahead of time. While this option will be finished, while it will be adopted - it will be an ordinary missile, and it will be huge, bulky and expensive. Ilya Muromets also sat on the stove for 33 years, waiting for a miracle.

              When will it fly?

              Well, okay, the article is not about aviation. It is necessary to create a new branch, otherwise they flood the topic
            2. postman
              postman 18 February 2014 14: 19
              0
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              . More than one Su-30 will not take

              Su-30MKI !!
              1. M- modernized, K- commercial
              improve maneuvering at low flight speeds, as well as completely new airborne equipment, thanks to which he could destroy airborne, ground and sea targets.

              http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/su30mki/su30mki-14_small.jpg
              On the keels of the aircraft, there was a small inscription - "Su-30MK"
              2.and - Indian
              In November 1998, the Su-30MKI (board "01") was exhibited at the Aero-India 98 aviation exhibition in Bangalore.

              3. ultimate take-off: 38800 kg / combat load: 8000 kg
              "Carry away" then he would carry away:
              PJ-10 "BrahMos" - aviation based - 2500 kg
              WHERE AND HOW DO I SUCH?
              HOW to fly with "extra" midships
          2. PLO
            PLO 17 February 2014 20: 38
            +1
            exist
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 18 February 2014 05: 42
              0
              exists, exists .. just does not fly. and on this indicator has no analogues in the world - as the only aviation missile, edge does not fly. Well, maybe the flightless Bramos air-based will compete, but the Mosquito, to-sawed, sawed ... but did not finish
              1. PLO
                PLO 18 February 2014 10: 45
                0
                and exists and flies
                the problem is that the Onyx version of the aircraft is not particularly needed, the missile is really quite heavy and the only suitable carrier is the Su-34, and new planes are not yet in the maritime aviation.
                Brahmos

                and problems with the aviation option by default can not be, because Onyx has been flying great for a long time.
      4. dustycat
        dustycat 17 February 2014 19: 00
        -1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        but another small-sized anti-ship missile - amersky "Harpoon" is really surprising:


        So it surprises me ...
        How is it more effective than ammunition for a 300mm "tornado" or "Buratino" in the anti-tank gliding version?
        Unless in the price heaped up.
        What prevents wings and navigation from attaching to our 300mm "pencils"?
    4. cdrt
      cdrt 17 February 2014 16: 41
      +2
      Quote: USNik
      Quote: Nayhas
      Well, eight the best in the world of RCC Naval Strike Missile is not a muhra muhra.
      Eemmmm, I'm certainly not a specialist, but I still don't understand how the heavier and supersonic Yakhont can lose to the lighter and subsonic Naval Strike Missile?


      Perhaps because they only consider missiles attacking the very small, where Onyx does not have such a great advantage in range over Harpoon or NSM.
      And perhaps because they did not create anything similar to our heavy anti-ship missiles - they developed AV aviation, and accordingly there is no clear understanding of the role and effectiveness of heavy supersonic anti-ship missiles.
  10. rezident
    rezident 17 February 2014 19: 11
    +1
    Tomahawk is cheap and low speed. For a lot of it and it is universal.
    1. No Name
      No Name 17 February 2014 20: 34
      +1
      Quote: rezident
      Tomahawk cheap

      Like 1,5 million per unit. Not so cheap. smile
      1. postman
        postman 18 February 2014 14: 06
        0
        Quote: No Name
        Not so cheap

        Not funny...

        The contract for the supply of 200 PJ-10 BraMos rockets (PJ-10 BrahMos) amounted to 4 billion US dollars
        $ 4: 000 = $ 000 (000,00 million)

        NEW DELHI, September 2. (ITAR-TASS). The Russian-Indian enterprise BrahMos Aerospace has received an order for the supply of supersonic cruise missiles to the Indian Armed Forces totaling $ 4 billion, a source in the Indian Defense Ministry said.

        / Probably This is from a PC /
        PJ-10 BrahMos a priori ROAD:
        supersonic
        - qty
  11. postman
    postman 18 February 2014 13: 59
    0
    Quote: Author
    whose creators saved on the sixth section of the UVP.

    Do not exaggerate

    The remaining 8 are for the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) - short-range missiles

    /De overige 8 zijn bestemd voor de Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) korte afstand luchtdoelraket. Met een quad-pack kunnen vier ESSM's per cel geplaatst worden. De ESSM is geschikt voor het onderscheppen van vliegtuigen, zeedoelraketten en schepen./

    One option might be, for example: 24 SM-2 + 64 ESSM.
  12. Sledgehammer
    Sledgehammer 19 February 2014 18: 49
    0
    Respect for the author good
  13. Zomanus
    Zomanus 22 February 2014 19: 49
    0
    Nice review. Ships as a carbon paper, contours and weapons. And the weapons show what was being built and why.
  14. Raychel
    Raychel 25 February 2014 18: 54
    0
    class, not so much to ride as I want to shoot with weapons on the ship fellow