Folk film about the war. Finally!

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Folk movies. Is it possible today to make a truly popular film in conditions, God forgive me, a market that has captured the minds of many of our fellow citizens when the money supply is ahead of such concepts as human form, high morality, spirituality, feat, sacrifice? The author’s team led by director, screenwriter and producer Andrei Shalopa decided to ask just such a question - a man who had decided to make a movie that could be supported by the audience themselves, a movie in which everyone’s financial assistance (including financial support) can contribute viewer.

We are talking about a unique domestic project - the feature film "28 Panfilov", the idea of ​​creating which was born in the bowels of the St. Petersburg studio "LPS". The uniqueness of the project lies in the fact that it is withdrawn precisely with national funds - not for the millions and billions that are otherwise allocated from the state and other budgets, but with the money of ordinary Russians. The goal of the author’s group is to convey to the modern viewer what was happening on the approaches to Moscow back in 1941, how the fighters in the Moscow region’s snows in the Volokolamsk direction opposed tank the armies of the Nazis (2nd and 11th tank divisions of the enemy), that is a real feat in the name of the Fatherland.

Folk film about the war. Finally!


Answering numerous questions from the audience, the authors declare that they are not going to exaggerate the perestroika and post-perestroika thesis that story About 28 Panfilov fighters - defenders of Moscow - this is a myth. The authors are not going to make a film “based on” hyperliberal tales about how “one rifle is for three,” how “drunken fighters in the trenches go to the toilet, using newspapers with a portrait of Stalin,” how “bloodsuckers, political instructors scribble denunciations,” as juvenile delinquents redeem the blame with blood. " These “masterpieces” of liberal literature and “documentary art” in the “28 Panfilov’s” by Andrei Shalopa that have been born after the collapse of the USSR will not be. And thank God!

The authors' team makes a film that is dedicated to the heroic defense of Moscow - what should educate, what can serve as a grain of social consolidation (consolidation of, let's say, healthy forces, and not those who take any patriotic undertaking extremely painfully). In this case, it is not so important whether 16 or 1941 fighters fought against the Hitlerite tank divisions of 28 in November. The important thing is how, in moments of the highest danger for one’s Motherland, a person can go for deeds worthy of not only respect, but admiration as well.

Someone will say: pathos ... But what's wrong with healthy pathos? In the end, it was on heroic pathos in our country that whole generations were brought up. If for someone the cinematic narration about the heroism of the Soviet soldier looks something reprehensible, if he is used to trusting exclusively those materials in which the “triumph of the bloody gebni” is a personal matter of such a person. As the saying goes: go and revisit the "Bastards" ...

The film is therefore shot on popular funds, so that the overly stinging fellow citizens would have no reason to rebuke cinematography officials in the “wrong direction of means”. It should immediately be noted here that cinematography officials have nothing to do with the 28 Panfilov film, and perhaps thank God ... This fact alone puts the film on a completely new platform - a platform of real popular choice. This option has become forced for the film (about the reasons just below), but it is he who gives the opportunity to make a movie, which is “not from above”, but that — from those who will be its main audience — the usual average Russian — a person who is tired of pouring tons, excuse me, crap on domestic history and culture by various possessed authors from both the cinema and the literary community.

The film, according to Andrei Shalopa, is shot not only on the basis of numerous literary works devoted to the events of the defense of Moscow (one of such works is “Volokolamsk Highway” by A. Beck), but also on testimonies of veterans, on archival documents.

One of the questions that Andrei Shalopa, in his own words, is tired of answering: will the heroic line of defense of the capital from the enemy be shown in the picture, or will the authors focus on love and other romantic lines ... The author of the film gives a definite answer: there will be no love lines in the film, for a film about the heroism of a soldier in the name of the Fatherland!

And, frankly, the demonstration of the next love line in the film, which is directly connected with the Great Patriotic War, would be a brute force for all known reasons. It is unlikely that the people will support the author if he had originally decided to look for romance in the soldiers' trenches on the Volokolamsk direction at the time when dozens of tanks rush to Moscow? ..

The script of the film was written 5 years ago. Initially, the authors of the film (in 2009 year) decided to apply for financial assistance to implement the project to the state structures - the Foundation for Supporting Patriotic Cinema under the President and even personally to the President of the Russian Federation, which at that time was Dmitry Medvedev . However, as it turned out, both the foundation and the president were indifferent to the shooting of the film according to the script of Andrei Shalopy. Did you read the script? - this is a separate question. Perhaps they were sent “on the back burner”, and not reading at all, as often happens if the idea comes “from below” ... The filmmakers themselves explain the reaction of state authorities in the following way: it is possible that they thought the film would have to spend about the same amount how much recently masters like Nikita Mikhalkov have been spending on filming, for example ...

However, the amount of funds for which the film “28 Panfilov” can be made is not comparable with the money spent on shooting, for example, “2 Burnt by the Sun”. The picture of Nikita Mikhalkov "ate" 40 million dollars. To implement the project Andrei Shalopy requires less than 2 million dollars, namely 60 million rubles.
After the creative team realized that state support was not to wait, the idea was born to make a film using folk remedies. Perhaps the refusal of state authorities to finance - only to the benefit of the film ...

It was offered to all those who are interested in the artistic embodiment of one of the most tragic and heroic stages of the defense of Moscow, to take part both in the work on the film and in the financing of this work. A huge number of people responded. Some offered to work as actors on extra gratuitous basis, others - to help them with the historical facts and evidence of the events of November 1941, others - just transferred the money. Your humble servant (the author of the material) also listed - let him, of course, immodest about himself, but, as they say, for the sake of such a thing ...

By this minute, about 10,1 million rubles had accumulated - a little more than the 6 of the total amount. We have no right to call on all readers to support this particular project, but for those of you who still decided to express such support, we present the page "28 Panfilov" http://28panfilovcev.com/ - through it, you can make your own feasible (national) contribution to the creation of national cinema about the Great Patriotic War, as well as contact the film team of authors.

Here you will immediately have to say this: our dear readers, you do not need to suspect the Military Review that our publication has some kind of personal material benefit from the project of Andrei Shaliopa. Perhaps the authors of the film “28 Panfilov” did not even know about the existence of our electronic resource. We decided to publish this material for the reason that the creation of a patriotic film about the war is indeed overdue, and informational assistance to such a popular project will definitely not hurt. Let's hope that the film in the foreseeable future will be released on screens and will bring together a decent audience. As we hope, the authors of the film will not lose face.

PS Filming started in October last year at the Lenfilm sites.


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  1. -113
    17 February 2014 08: 13
    Many beautiful words ... I would like to believe that it will be so. As my friend says, "In the meantime, it's just BLA_BLA_BLA"
    1. +146
      17 February 2014 08: 27
      Quote: Clever man
      Many beautiful words ... I would like to believe that it will be so.

      Somehow it will be. I didn't really believe in the project myself. But he took part in the support as much as he could. Well, I just got so tired of "semi-official insanity" like "Burnt by the Sun", "Stalingrad" and others. So it's a matter of principle. I don't know if they will, but I want to believe that there are still normal honest people ... I really want to believe ...
      1. +103
        17 February 2014 08: 53
        Yes, yes, Mikhalkov with Bondarchuk Jr. do not allow even comments!
        1. +35
          17 February 2014 08: 58
          Quote: Igor39
          Yes, yes, Mikhalkov with Bondarchuk Jr. do not allow even comments!

          Children are not fathers. It seems that even Andron was surprised by the last opuses of his brother (and this is after the "White Tiger" ...)
          1. +8
            17 February 2014 09: 39
            Quote: Bronis
            even Andron was surprised by the last opuses of his brother (and this after the "White Tiger" ...)

            How does Andron touch the "White Tiger"?
            1. +8
              17 February 2014 09: 44
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              How does Andron touch the "White Tiger"?

              Yes, they were there with Shakhnazarov butting before filming ... and then they remembered each other. Andron also wanted to "re-screen" the "Tankist".
          2. +13
            17 February 2014 15: 24
            On children of geniuses, Nature rests.
            1. +7
              18 February 2014 07: 53
              On Fedka, she, apparently, completely dozed off (a joke)
            2. Kazakhstan
              0
              20 February 2014 15: 47
              I agree.
        2. Ivan Petrovich
          +23
          17 February 2014 10: 28
          that's for sure! one veteran, after watching another "masterpiece" by Mikhalkov, swore so obscenely ... in general, his words were replaced with beeps
          1. +7
            18 February 2014 14: 36
            so that overly stinging fellow citizens do not have a reason to reproach officials from cinematography in the "wrong direction of funds."

            On patriotic cinema, this is "the wrong direction of funds", but about @ shitting the exploits of the Soviet people for budget (OUR) money, it is democratic. If it's democratic and liberal, I've seen such state patriotism in gro @ y.
            Nikita Mikhalkov in "Burnt by the Sun-2: Anticipation" (according to various sources, from $ 40 to $ 55 million) asks like an @ evil: "Does anyone know how to beat a German?", This despite the fact that the imperial minister of armaments and ammunition Fritz Todt at about the same time, in November 1941, reported to Hitler that the war was lost. "Seeing" director (OB) ser mikhalkov and in 2010 does not know how the Great Patriotic War ended.
          2. Kazakhstan
            0
            20 February 2014 15: 48
            Already got with their creations!
        3. rolik
          +12
          17 February 2014 12: 49
          Quote: Igor39
          Yes, yes, Mikhalkov with Bondarchuk Jr. do not allow even comments!

          Let the guys get ready for the screech of liberals of all stripes and colors.
          1. +4
            17 February 2014 15: 12
            It's time to put the liberals in their place.
            What people think about them, in a search:
            Entrust the defense of Moscow to trusted and reliable persons
            1. +38
              17 February 2014 16: 06
              By the way, dear trailer! hi

              Human dialogue of soldiers without pathos and white-toothed smile!
              1. +48
                17 February 2014 17: 42
                Dear, I stumbled upon an animated film about the feat of Panfilov, the authors did it all the way to the ants! A very inspired tale!
                YOM: 2010
                Genre: Cartoon
                Released: CIS, Kyrgyzstan, animation studio "5 fingers"
                Director: Kulubek Bokonbaev
                His release was timed to the centenary of the Kyrgyz Soviet poet Dzhoomart Bokonbaeva and the 65 anniversary of victory in World War II. The cartoon tells about the feat of Panfilov warriors in the Battle of Moscow. The story about the events of the Great Patriotic War is closely intertwined with the Kyrgyz parable about the main defense of the country against the enemy.
                1. +17
                  17 February 2014 18: 14
                  Quote: Sid.74
                  I came across an animated film about the exploit of Panfilov’s,

                  Issued - Kyrgyzstan.
                  Year is 2010.

                  Hmm ... Respect to the creators of such animation.
                  Thanks for the video, Eugene.
                  1. +8
                    17 February 2014 18: 19
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    Hmm ... Respect to the creators of such animation.
                    Thanks for the video, Eugene.

                    He himself was very surprised by the find! Not at all! Alexey hi
                2. +8
                  18 February 2014 11: 47
                  I remember this movie. Very strong! I showed him in class. There has never been SUCH silence in my class! AND SUCH eyes of the guys.
                3. Kazakhstan
                  +3
                  20 February 2014 15: 51
                  Yes, I already saw this movie. Crawled to the bones! The best movie!
              2. +12
                17 February 2014 17: 57
                Everyone should watch. Twice every month, to begin with. In schools, an essay: "What the film 28 Panfilov's men gave me"
              3. Brother77
                +6
                17 February 2014 19: 52
                That in these words is the essence of the inside of the soldier, well done, for the film, we beat and we will beat all scum that our country and our brothers will go to war ..
              4. 0
                21 February 2014 11: 49
                If Comrade Goblin is in the information partners, then it should be fine. In any case, no worse than the "Brest Fortress"
              5. 0
                21 February 2014 15: 45
                dialogue masterpiece
          2. +3
            18 February 2014 00: 27
            And also to the fact that distributors, s ... will not rent their picture. They are all liberians. Well, no one expected anything else from Medvedev. There will be no hot hugs from patriotic films from him. It's the same not an american toy !!! I am surprised that he generally knows about the Great Patriotic War! I do not believe him, nor his government, nor his party. Let us take a memory of the fathers and grandfathers and especially the MOTHER !!!!
          3. +19
            18 February 2014 13: 07

            Hooray comrades!
            1. +3
              18 February 2014 21: 52
              Pleased with the poster. They need to be hung on the central streets, for clarity.
        4. Kazakhstan
          0
          20 February 2014 15: 44
          They can only vulgarize everything about the Second World War.
      2. Shur
        +4
        17 February 2014 22: 00
        "Stalingrad" is a banter over our history !!!
        1. inc_non
          -15
          18 February 2014 19: 28
          This is a banter above you, specifically above you. Here you go to the mirror, look into your eyes - you are oboscan. Directly, honestly, and probably even fairly. What are these exclamations for?
          The stupidity of the next patriots is killing again, are you serious? What clearance can there be? The national idea is to cut the heads of the infidels. Yes, I understand the topic. The rest is bullshit. Fathers and grandfathers said that no one in Boshka had the ideas of these "Soviet" ones: they also fucked neighbors and boozed with friends, distracted by massive street cleaning, etc. Idea = instinct. There is nothing else.
          1. +1
            21 February 2014 21: 39
            Quote: inc_non
            Boschke did not have the ideas of these "Soviet"

            Everyone in the "boss", what he wants to see! Wants to see "Vodka" in the store sees vodka. And whoever wants to see Dneproges and Magnitka sees the construction sites of socialism. Here, on the outskirts, not a single apartment has been built in twenty years. Hardly two houses were repaired. But even from the periphery, changes are visible, and after all, your grandfathers "with vodka" rebuilt everything the country has lived with all these twenty years.
            1. inc_non
              0
              25 February 2014 15: 15
              Yes, I am Brababan what and how they thought. Give at least one reason not to "joke about history"! Why not?
      3. +1
        20 February 2014 12: 01
        Also sent a denyuzhku.
        God forbid! smile
      4. Kazakhstan
        +1
        20 February 2014 15: 43
        I completely agree. Eternal memory to the defenders of the Fatherland!
    2. +28
      17 February 2014 08: 30
      Quote: Clever man
      "Until then, it's just BLA_BLA_BLA"

      Why are you minus a person? There were many words about patriotism, before the release of "Stalingrad" on the screens, and when you saw all this movie it turned out negative .Take off, we'll see and then we will judge.
      1. +20
        17 February 2014 08: 38
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Why are you minus a person? There were a lot of words about patriotism, before the release of "Stalingrad" on the screens, but when you saw all this movie it turned out. They will shoot, see and then we will judge.

        By the way, not a minus. Anything with the movie can be. We have such time. Times were harder, but meaner - not sure ...
        The authors will not succeed or they will be deceiving - on their conscience, but if they manage to make a decent movie - thank you very much.
        The film promises to be not so much documentary as artistic. But still, I will wait for the exit. I repeat, Nikit and Fed took out the insanity. And, most importantly, state. support for their insanity with a dough cut ...
        1. +12
          17 February 2014 08: 45
          Quote: Bronis
          The film promises to be not so much documentary as artistic

          In the USSR, many feature films were shot, but they did not spit. Maybe they knew how to shoot, but maybe they didn’t work for money.
          Quote: Bronis
          I repeat, Nikit and Fed took out the insanity. And, most importantly, state. support for their insanity with a dough cut ...

          Yes, whom he did not get.
          1. +18
            17 February 2014 08: 52
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In the USSR, many feature films were shot, but they did not spit. Maybe they knew how to shoot, but maybe they didn’t work for money.

            Other times, other values, other (for the most part) people ...
            Well, censorship - then Nikitushka also gave out a completely digestible product.
            And now - "feet on the table" and declares that he is not an intellectual, but an aristocrat ...
            1. +7
              17 February 2014 09: 44
              Regarding Nikita and Fedi, ideology is being paid from above for a bloody geben, etc. When watching a teaser, I got into nostalgia when I got to the times of the USSR. least of all I want a meat grinder, slobbery. Usually catches overcoming the prevailing circumstances.
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            3. +2
              17 February 2014 22: 18
              The whole family is like that, the crafty courtier spoke about S. Mikhalkov. They are good at any government. (They lick with a creative approach)
            4. Kazakhstan
              +1
              19 February 2014 09: 54
              But what happens in Denmark by cruelty http://www.delphinidae.ru/publ/rodina_princa_datskogo_koshmar_dlja_delfinov_i_ki
              tov / 11-1-0-129
          2. Luzhichanin
            +3
            17 February 2014 10: 13
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, whom did he get.

            Likely me ... got insanity, if there is no strength and desire to watch the mura for the money filmed crying
            1. Ivan Petrovich
              +6
              17 February 2014 10: 30
              and as our president was at their anniversary ... and they have a whole clan for all times and for any power
              1. Luzhichanin
                +3
                17 February 2014 14: 09
                Duc, and they also say clans only in the Caucasus are ...
                no, it turns out that our clans are also hesitating, and not somewhere, but in culture.
                NDA, the more family we have, the structures work for the good of the Motherland, the less professional they become, and it looks like many of them have already changed their Homeland.
          3. +7
            17 February 2014 11: 24
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, whom did he get.

            got it. that you won't go to any movie about the Second World War - you will get the version of Transformers half-and-half with "bloody gebnya"
            1. Kazakhstan
              0
              20 February 2014 15: 58
              I completely agree.
      2. makarov
        +11
        17 February 2014 08: 47
        I have a similar opinion. How many times, over the past decades, the word "people" sounded, and then suddenly this "people" had an owner.
        1. +13
          17 February 2014 09: 40
          I have a similar opinion. How many times, over the past decades, the word "people" sounded, and then suddenly this "people" had an owner.
          laughing Are you talking about Gazprom? laughing
      3. +9
        17 February 2014 08: 50
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        These "masterpieces" of liberal literature and "documentary literature" that sprang up after the collapse of the USSR

        Somehow we get strange.
        Liberal shit (weary of the sun and Stalingrad) is removed by members of the supreme council of united Russia. Rooster fighting Moses - a member of EP.
        So edrosnya-the main nursery of the liberals!
        And its leaders (president and prime minister) are the country's main liberalists!
        1. Ivan Petrovich
          +3
          17 February 2014 10: 31
          and here with a cigar more ... also of them
        2. Ivan Petrovich
          +13
          17 February 2014 11: 04
          Moses not EP MEMBER, but EP point
          1. makarov
            +4
            17 February 2014 13: 40
            at the expense of a point, very accurately and scrupulously noted, probably not even a point, but a "window to Europe" laughing
            1. Kazakhstan
              0
              20 February 2014 16: 01
              I completely agree with this and welcome. good
        3. +3
          17 February 2014 11: 50
          And its leaders (president and prime minister) are the country's main liberalists!
          So actually V.V. Putin does not hide this, before the opening of the Olympics in Sochi, he bluntly stated that he was a liberal to foreign and Russian journalists on January 19.01.2014, XNUMX. hi
          1. 0
            17 February 2014 22: 54
            Figu that holds in your pocket? He speaks directly and honestly about this. Years are already blooming. What can you do if the stupid people put everything on their master - they say, he beats, then he loves ...
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        5. +1
          18 February 2014 07: 11
          I cannot disagree. Let's add to this Lakhova Katka - an active propagandist of juvenile justice and "sex education" in schools. Liberation that the government is officially sitting just in words like "patriots", and only when the masses need to denounce the "Magnitsky law".
      4. +9
        17 February 2014 08: 55
        There were a lot of words about patriotism, before the release of "Stalingrad" on the screens, but when you saw all this movie it turned out. They will shoot, see and then we will judge.

        For some reason, I believe in this film more. Just look at the partners of the crew. One of them is the Russian Historical Society.
      5. -12
        17 February 2014 09: 00
        There were many words about patriotism, before the release of "Stalingrad" on the screens, and when you saw all this movie it turned out negative .Take off, we'll see and then we will judge.

        Yes, it’s so clear how everything will be ... No matter how interesting, patriotic and correct the film comes out, everything will slide to one, they will immediately begin to throw mud at him, accusing that everything was filmed incorrectly, the director is mediocrity, the actors are bad, by itself the movie is a ridiculous piece of work in the Hollywood manner, and in general it offends the feelings of veterans (while no one will ask the veterans about this). Something like it was with "Stalingrad". sad
      6. -8
        17 February 2014 09: 07
        Well, why are you minus a person?

        It’s good when a person is a patriot, but it’s bad when he is also b_a_r_a_n. At one time, the grandfathers of these urapatriots used to be a Nagan and the grandchildren used keys (MINUSUS)
        1. +1
          19 February 2014 21: 12
          Patriot a priori can not be a ram
          Quote: nemec55
          It’s good when a person is a patriot, but it’s bad when he is also b_a_r_a_n

          Patriot a priori can not be a ram. Patriotism is a high feeling, it is respect for the ancestors, for centuries-old culture, for the greatest achievements of compatriots! Patriotism is the art of loving the land on which you were born, and on which you must die ...
      7. +3
        17 February 2014 09: 54
        That's really - everything is relative (Vysotsky did not notice empty words)
        The chicken is still in the nest
      8. +7
        17 February 2014 17: 08
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Why are you minus a person? There were a lot of words about patriotism, before the release of "Stalingrad" on the screens, but when you saw all this movie it turned out. They will shoot, see and then we will judge.

        For example, I minus. Because as if the film was expected from Mikhalkov, or Bondarchuk-Light, I probably would not have read the article. But the Wise guy didn’t come up against anyone’s expectations. He came across the very idea of ​​folk cinema, the thought of how people got tired of narcissistic filmmakers who have scribbled or have never been geniuses. The clever man’s idea is understandable, but the form of expression itself draws a hand to minus.
    3. PPL
      +6
      17 February 2014 08: 33
      Judging by the excerpts from the movie, it should work out. good
      The truth about the war must be told by any means available. The main thing is that this would be true, and not fairy tales on the theme of war, which have recently bloomed in magnificent colors.
      1. +9
        17 February 2014 08: 39
        The truth about the war must be told by any means available.


        I tried - moralists and psychiatrists hit me — for many from the truth of war, the lid slides off, so it’s best to show fiction to people - it’s safer for the psyche of people.
        1. apostrophe
          0
          17 February 2014 14: 37
          Quote: The same Lech
          I tried


          Oh again, the uterus was not appreciated, apparently you were not lucky with the people, no luck smile
          On the Maidan, gentlemen, they will appreciate it.
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      3. +2
        17 February 2014 11: 43
        Quote: PPZ
        The truth about the war must be told by any means available. The main thing is that it would be true, not fairy tales

        To do this, you need to film the memoirs of veterans. There are a lot of them now, and in good artwork - by the same Drabkin and Isaev. Otherwise "cranberry" will come out. Has anyone read the script for "folk cinema"? And the name is inappropriate - there is no need to provoke "competent historians" - opinions will immediately go: there were Panfilovites, there weren't, but how many people, and how many! These will talk about anything!
    4. +4
      17 February 2014 09: 35
      If all the time: BLA_BLA_BLA ...
      That is not on this site
    5. +9
      17 February 2014 10: 02
      Quote: Clever man
      .. I would like to believe that it will be so.

      Europeans raised money on the Internet for the film "Iron Sky". The result is an objective view of the modern world order.
      Bondarchuk's "Stalingrad" is not considered a national film.
    6. +13
      17 February 2014 10: 20
      Blah blah blah or not, time will tell. But there are still examples of good films being shot. "Brest Fortress" is an example of this. So let's keep our fingers crossed.
      1. smersh70
        +3
        17 February 2014 13: 25
        Quote: Vasia Kruger
        "Brest Fortress" is an example of this. So let's keep our fingers crossed.
        There, too, everything is not in order, although the film is spectacular. The realities in the film are not shown completely,
        1. +2
          17 February 2014 17: 57
          WURGUN
          One cannot demand full authenticity from ART
          You know the main thing is not to lie
          We won’t know the realities
        2. +3
          17 February 2014 19: 24
          Quote: smersh70
          The realities in the film are not shown completely,

          good
          Today, so many film scholars and connoisseurs of history have divorced that ANYONE will never please ...
          Why Shakhnazarov in the "White Tiger" collected rare tank equipment: Grant-Lee, BTeshka, Pz-III ... And let the Tiger ride on an IS chassis.
          And what in the end ...
          1. cat 1970
            +1
            18 February 2014 05: 44
            .... but in the end the spirit of Hitler's "panzer" won, isn't it a hint of what is happening now ????
        3. 0
          21 February 2014 21: 59
          Quote: smersh70
          The realities in the film are not shown completely,

          For example, as in the educational film owls. times when documentary shots were collected: a soldier in an attack with a shrapnel cuts off his head, completely, and he continues to run for nine seconds and shoot from the PCA. Or when a close-up shot of a machine gunner with a DP who changes the store and starts shooting at the Germans, and he has bloody slurries below his lower back. Or maybe the KV tank that stopped during the battle, because the German outbreaks wedged the track, and the crowbar mechanic cleans the tracks from human flesh.
          When our FSB officers brought documentary footage filmed by Chechen fighters to Europe and showed them to their investigators behind closed doors, after twenty minutes there was not a single person left in the hall, and there were forty minutes of "Horrors of War" in the film. Who is ready to see the reality show from doc. frames and do not go crazy. The "Bret Fortress" is already worthy of respect, because they did not put the T-54 or T-64 into the frame. Although it can be understood from the chassis that well-made up IFVs were removed under the tanks. But it took half of the film to make out. In Hot Snow, they fired at radio-controlled tanks with live shells, and wooden camouflage flew off the tanks and the hulls of the T-34, or 54, became visible. But did this make the film worse?
    7. +4
      17 February 2014 11: 25
      In principle, you may not believe it, but as for me, the salary has come, I will support the project, I won’t lose much, and in the future I may get the movie from it into a piggy bank and enjoy it. Is it bad?
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    9. +4
      17 February 2014 11: 45
      wise guy:

      Absolutely correct words. While the state does not have ideology, the liberoid dislocations will be dragged into all spheres of life, including cinema. Their task is to erase from us the identity of Russianness, the memory of the great past, vulgarize it, betray sarcasm and chernukha. What the past is and the future. And they are well aware of this. An obvious example is Ukraine. In folk cinema, however, the idea is folk. Let's see how the human rights activists and guards will emit poisonous saliva.
    10. +2
      17 February 2014 16: 33
      I hope this is only the beginning, in the history of Russia there are a lot of glorious military pages, that before the revolution, and after that, I want to see a patriotic movie normal without chernukha and erotica. I wish the director and the entire creative team success in this endeavor. Can the whole world really raise our culture, but the people?
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    12. Powder donut
      +2
      17 February 2014 19: 12
      In vain minus, you look at the filmography of the director and ask yourself the question can this person make a good movie or do not care for everyone ??
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      1. Powder donut
        0
        18 February 2014 12: 32
        YOU are better off on the Maidan, get involved in the work of the Nazis. and then advise =))
    14. +1
      18 February 2014 23: 59
      Comrades, let’s help the project at least telling friends about it in tweets, mails, VKontakte and other classmates.
  2. +12
    17 February 2014 08: 14
    I’ll definitely wait for the premiere and go to this film, and I’ll take the children with me.
    1. Truth-lover
      +5
      17 February 2014 09: 25
      Here, as it should be careful. First, see for yourself, then show the children ...
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  4. +8
    17 February 2014 08: 20
    The material is interesting, useful — and a huge interest in the film.
    Here is his website:
    http://28panfilovcev.com/
    1. +1
      17 February 2014 08: 34
      Quote: mirag2
      The material is interesting, useful — and a huge interest in the film.

      Something like this was written before going to the screens of Stalingrad, but what about the result? Everyone wants to make a normal film at last, and often we get disappointment.
      Because until I begin to criticize, not to praise. The idea is good, but what kind of movie will be, we'll see.
      1. +6
        17 February 2014 10: 31
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: mirag2
        The material is interesting, useful — and a huge interest in the film.

        Something like this was written before going to the screens of Stalingrad, but what about the result? Everyone wants to make a normal film at last, and often we get disappointment.
        Because until I begin to criticize, not to praise. The idea is good, but what kind of movie will be, we'll see.

        Calm down, no one expected anything from Bondarchuk's "Stalingrad". Let someone write advertising articles and that you believed them? All normal people perfectly understood what kind of g ... this "masterpiece" will be in the end.
        1. +4
          17 February 2014 11: 58
          [quote = krpmlws] Calm down, nobody expected anything from Bondarchuk's "Stalingrad". Let someone write advertising articles there and what did you believe them? [/ quote]
          [quote = krpmlws]
          Judging by the full movie theaters, people were waiting for a good movie.
          [quote = krpmlws] All normal people perfectly imagined what kind of g ... this "masterpiece" will be in the end. [/ quote]
          I didn’t see something with more than one comment, including yours, with similar ratings before the movie was released.
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        3. +6
          17 February 2014 12: 04
          The film "Stalingrad" was filmed not for the people, but for the people, who hawk popcorn, and to delight the West, like fast food. What is Bondarchuk's big question in him? A purely commercial project using symbols that our people inherited at the cost of blood and unprecedented self-sacrifice. Now the grandmother is doing it.
        4. +1
          17 February 2014 17: 18
          Quote: krpmlws
          Calm down, no one expected anything from Bondarchuk's "Stalingrad". Let someone write advertising articles and that you believed them? All normal people perfectly understood what kind of g ... this "masterpiece" will be in the end.

          I’m joining! There’s not even a single drop of hope for a successful film. I hoped for only one thing - that would turn out to be a simple crap, not a spit in the soul of the people. Since I didn’t look and did not intend, I judge only by the general degree of comments. And it seems even that my only expectation did not come true.
        5. +4
          17 February 2014 20: 28
          Quote: krpmlws
          Calm down, no one expected anything from Bondarchuk's "Stalingrad". Let someone write advertising articles and that you believed them?

          But in Soviet times, films were shot without any advertising. And what kind of masterpieces turned out, the streets were empty during their screening. And now they just work out the loot invested by the sponsor and that's it. To make a good, believable film about the war, it seems to me that you need to be a participant in it yourself. With someone’s words, it’s much harder to do, even with consultants. But as they say: the attempt is not torture, let's see what happens at the St. Petersburg studio.
      2. apostrophe
        +2
        17 February 2014 14: 46
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Something like this was written before going to the screens of Stalingrad, but what about the result?


        On the fence, too, they write a lot of things, do you believe everyone? or after 9 companies expected a true and patriotic film?
        Judging by an interview with the creators of 28 Pamfilovites and the video, the correct film should be obtained.
    2. cat 1970
      +2
      18 February 2014 06: 03
      In 1998, the son began to receive deuces in history. The son loved history, when asked why deuces, he said, dad, you read the textbook yourself. I will not bring all the pearls, only one. There are two and a half lines about the Second World War (literally, the Great Patriotic War began on June 22, 1941, ended on May 9, 1945. 27 million people died in it. (As it was written - MAN) AND EVERYTHING. But about the landing in Normandy - ALREADY FOR SEVEN WITH HALF SHEETS ... Here is the MATERIAL for you, what do the guys who grew up on such textbooks know? I solved this problem in my family by picking up good books for my child, and I took that history textbook to school, tossed it in history, and I threw it at children him into the corner, said that this is not our story, but American. I think the children understand me correctly and ....
  5. +15
    17 February 2014 08: 20
    I watched the trailer back in the fall. He even made a modest contribution.
  6. Baton
    +17
    17 February 2014 08: 23
    This kind of advertising on the site is exactly what you need!
    God bless the film in the best traditions of Soviet cinema.
    1. Alexey K.
      +2
      18 February 2014 04: 22
      I liked Brest Fortress from the last films about the war. I reviewed it several times. Captures and keeps in suspense to the end, you really empathize with the heroes, I wanted to run into the attack myself with our fighters. God grant that "Panfilov's 28" would be the same film.
  7. vovich
    +5
    17 February 2014 08: 28
    The thing is undoubtedly necessary. But the position of the Fund for the Support of Patriotic Cinema, to put it mildly, is not clear. To say the least. Whom do they support actually?
  8. +1
    17 February 2014 08: 30
    I remember the people, I also wrote enthusiastically about Bondarchuk's Stalingrad) let's hope. It must be judged by the result
  9. +4
    17 February 2014 08: 36
    already listing drinks
  10. +6
    17 February 2014 08: 43
    I doubt very much that the authors of the film will dare to insert into the film the world famous: "Russia is great, and there is nowhere to retreat - Moscow is behind" - political instructor Klochkov. After all, this is the same communist said, and this is not a politically sustained moment. In general, the film (God forbid it be created) will be boycotted both on TV and in the cinema network. The Kremlin's unspoken ban will close its path to the mass audience. After all, the current gentlemen, who are in power in Russia, control the information policy of "this stgana" not only by the ruble, but mainly by administrative-repressive methods.
    1. +5
      17 February 2014 09: 02
      The Kremlin's unspoken ban will close its path to the mass audience. After all, the current gentlemen, who are in power in Russia, control the information policy of "this stgana" not only by the ruble, but mainly by administrative-repressive methods.

      What nonsense are you writing? Who told you they would block the road?
      If the film really turns out to be patriotic, people will go to it and no one will bother them. You write as if we live in a state with bloody censorship.
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        +4
        17 February 2014 11: 08
        we have very strict censorship on television. it's time to wipe your eyes
        1. +1
          17 February 2014 17: 12
          we have very strict censorship on television.

          Are you from the Rain channel? Well then, I understand you.
      2. +2
        17 February 2014 14: 23
        Quote: 31231
        If the film really turns out to be patriotic, people will go to it and no one will bother them.
        Where will they go ???? In cinemas it may not be shown, at the direction of the gentlemen from the Ministry of Culture ..... this film will be counteracted at the very beginning ..... they will constantly try to frustrate or change everything ..... Now they show only tolerant with an admixture of liberal theses .....
        1. 0
          17 February 2014 17: 14
          Where will they go ???? In cinemas it may not be shown, at the direction of the gentlemen from the Ministry of Culture ..... this film will be counteracted at the very beginning ..... they will constantly try to frustrate or change everything ..... Now they show only tolerant with an admixture of liberal theses .....

          Do you run ahead of the cart? Not?
          Call at least one modern film that was banned and banned due to ideological considerations ?! What does a patriotic film, and not poorno.
    2. +7
      17 February 2014 09: 32
      Why doubt it? The words are spoken. It is a fact. The communist said? So this is the story of my country. You can’t cut it with an ax. Aren't the words right? Not at all. Very well and the case said. And who cares who said them. And the film is created specifically for public money, so as not to depend on politicians pursuing momentary interests.
      Dixi.
      1. 0
        18 February 2014 09: 23
        someone's shadow? or are such thoughts attended by a rather large number of people? hi
    3. +11
      17 February 2014 09: 32
      Quote: ICE
      I very much doubt that the authors of the film will dare to insert into the film the world-famous: "Russia is great, and there is nowhere to retreat - Moscow is behind" - political instructor Klochkov.

      Why not? why did all of us sprout this liberalism? yes, political instructor, yes, he said. fact. He didn’t die for his homeland? the Bolsheviks are part of our history, part, if you will, of our Motherland with you. and, I think, far from the worst part. not for nothing the chances of capturing the Jews with the commissars immediately tried to identify. I mean, at that very difficult moment in the country, it was the Bolsheviks who became the nucleus around which people rallied. Yes, I’m not a communist, not sympathetic, I have never been a Komsomol member. I am for the truth.
      1. Kazakhstan
        0
        20 February 2014 16: 19
        I was an Octobrist, a pioneer, and a Komsomol member. And the ideology was very strong. And friendship with ordinary people from the countries of the Warsaw Pact (Poland, Hungary, etc.). Being at a seminar in Budapest in 2000 with participants from these countries, I felt what it means to have a common, albeit small history, common mentality. There were also participants from the USA at the seminar, but the difference in mentality is strongly felt. I spoke with residents of Budapest, my age and older, in Russian, which they still speak well. And this is also the truth of our life.
    4. +2
      17 February 2014 09: 34
      Quote: ICE
      In general, the film (God willing to create it) will be prepared smartly

      Of course of course! And the entire film crew will certainly receive "8 years without correspondence"
    5. +5
      17 February 2014 10: 17
      Quote: ICE
      I doubt very much that the authors of the film will dare to insert into the film the world famous: "Russia is great, and there is nowhere to retreat - Moscow is behind" - political instructor Klochkova

      They make a film with public money, here the risk is not to insert these words. The people will not understand and will not forgive.
    6. +4
      17 February 2014 11: 52
      Quote: ICE
      The Kremlin’s tacit ban will block his path to the mass audience.

      Television is controlled, and if people like it, they will feel that it is real, dear, and not just another avatar, they will find a way to watch the movie. Do we, Russians, bother with this issue? The forbidden fruit is sweet, therefore, on the contrary, the ban will cause even greater interest.
    7. +1
      17 February 2014 22: 02
      In general, the film (God forbid it be created) will be prepared for a boycott both on TV and in the cinema network.


      For such cases, there is digital delivery over the network. And if the movie turns out to be good, then regardless of anyone's will it will appear on trackers and file hosting sites.
      There was such an example, however, the opposite of the one under discussion. The film "Green Elephant", due to its negative artistic (and indeed any) value, was practically never shown anywhere, but almost all of it became one big Internet meme for the generation of shkolota.
      1. 0
        17 February 2014 22: 12
        Why didn't "Heart of the Enemy" come out anywhere?
        1. 0
          18 February 2014 01: 52
          Why didn't the "Enemy Heart" float out anywhere?


          I put it inaccurately. In most cases, you need a ready-made rental version, and in any case, for someone to digitize the film. In your case ... I don’t know where to start. Maybe you can find out if there was a digitized version of the film and who did it ...
          1. +1
            19 February 2014 01: 21
            By the way, I still have not found the text of Baurzhan Momyshuly's course of lectures "The Psychology of War", but I hope that over time this text will surface on the Internet.
            Incidentally, it is directly related to the subject of discussion.
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            3. Alex 241
              +1
              19 February 2014 01: 34
              This is a book, type in the search engine "bauyrzhan momyshuly read the psychology of war" and you will find, from the site copying is prohibited, links do not work.
            4. Kazakhstan
              +1
              20 February 2014 16: 26
              Here is the link http://t-ryskulov.zhambyl.kz/index.php?action=news&lan=rus&mo=03&da=19&yr=2011&n
              ews_id = 94 & hoster = zhambyl
  11. +7
    17 February 2014 08: 49
    I look forward to!
    For a long time I wanted to see a real patriotic film, without any political crap
  12. +4
    17 February 2014 08: 51
    The film is needed. Especially seeing what has now grown in Western Ukraine.
  13. calocha
    +5
    17 February 2014 08: 57
    And, did you try to turn to Putin ?! Try it! Budget money, they are Narodnye. Even wondering what the reaction would be? In general, it's great to create a series of films under criticism and with the consent and approval of the script of the participants of the Great Patriotic War for the People's Means ... "masters" such as Mikhalkov and Bondarchuk began hiccups .. I wish you success !!! To the Glory of the Russian with a paycheck I will send money, I will make a modest contribution ... to good undertakings!
    1. +1
      17 February 2014 17: 17
      But didn’t you try to contact Putin ?! Try! Budget money, they and People’s.


      Then I think, what a snag ?! It is necessary that someone famous would vouch for the money that they would be spent on the film. For example, Andron Konchalovsky or the same Sergey Glazyev podsuetsilsya.
    2. 0
      23 February 2014 00: 17
      They have already addressed both Putin and the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation, but not a response and no greetings. Therefore, the idea was born to make a film with national money.
  14. AraSR
    +35
    17 February 2014 09: 00
    I have been reading Topvar for a long time, did not register because "Chukchi is not a writer, Chukchi is a reader!"
    But I couldn’t calmly go past this topic. I look forward to this film. There’s a passage, so to speak, for the seed.

    1. +17
      17 February 2014 10: 49
      Powerful episode !!! I wish the authors of the film also make the whole film, because if the whole film is shot like this episode, then the film will be BOMB, how much will the liberal stench be hard to even imagine. Bondarchuk-Mikhalkovskaya shobla on the snot will come out and drown in them
    2. smersh70
      +3
      17 February 2014 13: 30
      Quote: AraSR
      There’s a passage, so to speak, for the seed.

      and the monologue didn’t expect anything, they’re really guttering ... if in this vein the whole film goes, then hi
    3. +1
      17 February 2014 13: 59
      class! look forward to.
      1. +4
        17 February 2014 22: 45
        I watched the video and thought about it. When our grandfathers went to the Fritz. They didn’t ask who was who. Everyone knew that they were Soviet soldiers and were going to beat the damned enemy. And not like now)
  15. +5
    17 February 2014 09: 01
    I would like to wish the film crew success and believe in a truly patriotic film.
  16. +12
    17 February 2014 09: 03
    We decided to publish this material for the reason that the creation of a patriotic film about the war was really ripe

    You can certainly argue with that. Indeed - it is ripe.
  17. +13
    17 February 2014 09: 09
    I grew up on the heroism and patriotism of films staged in the USSR, and today we are shown the false heroism of mostly Americans. Only with both hands, wrest our children from ticks, foreign patriotism.
    1. Shur
      +1
      17 February 2014 22: 38
      Hi Valera. It's easier to cram any g ... into an "empty" head, but now? In Russia, there is a complete vacuum in the heads of young people .. I'm just shocked by their "contents". I am not against advanced technology, etc. , but in the sauce of "Western ideology" it's like a candy poured over a ... m.
    2. Kazakhstan
      0
      20 February 2014 16: 30
      I collect our Soviet films about the courage and patriotism of our grandfathers for the younger generation. Simple but intimidating stories.
  18. DNX1970
    +7
    17 February 2014 09: 18
    They take on serious topics, and often shoot it sucks! They put more effort into advertising than into the film itself! The main slogan is: "You don't like it? You are not a patriot."
  19. -15
    17 February 2014 09: 19
    The problem is that make any film, its locals who are sitting quietly on the pope, who do not want to serve in the army, will nevertheless smear it with feces. Whether it’s filmed Stalingrad, be the same Panfilov’s. Even if Private Rain was removed from us, they would still be smeared.

    And the author - why is it bad that films are made with state money? We will notice our money, they are created from our taxes and profits. Another thing is that they remove pure slag like Burnt by the Sun 2 (note the first burnt by the sun was a very good film), but here is another opera.

    Making a film is not a problem, raising money with the people is also not a problem, the problem will then be to launch it. It may simply not be allowed to go to cinemas. And if they let them go, where will the profits go? In their pocket or will they return to those who helped with the filming? ;)

    And the most interesting thing is that when starting projects on the same Kickstarter, for example, developers promise some bonuses to those who threw themselves off (and not a place in the credits). What can directors offer? I don’t see much of what (I don’t need current about patriotism - about it below).

    And from the series - we make a film for the money of those who remember the war, without taking a penny from the state - idiots (generally this is a literary word) well, I can say briefly -. For making money on patriotism is the last thing (namely earnings - for all who are removed there will receive their fees). If you have direct patriotism, it’s better to help orphanages, adopt children from them, etc.

    And then they raise the topic - such as the state of our city, but, it did not give us money, but we are such geniuses, and no one listens to us. So speak very quietly, and therefore do not listen. And I will say more - with this approach you won’t raise money, and you don’t have to yell - that there are no patriots in the country, that’s why there’s no dough, but because they don’t earn money on patriotism, because if all such patriots are on the set, then everyone will agree work for food (actors, graphic specialists, etc.), part of the sponsors will offer, collectors, etc., and a small part will go only to purchase inventory.
    1. +8
      17 February 2014 13: 07
      Do you have a Jewish calculator in your head? Besides personal bonuses, what do you not see? The way people will do what they may not want to help - do not bother!
    2. 0
      17 February 2014 14: 41
      Do you have a Jewish calculator in your head? Besides personal bonuses, what do you not see? The way people will do what they may not want to help - do not bother!
    3. apostrophe
      +2
      17 February 2014 15: 05
      Quote: Bad
      The problem is that make any film, its locals who are sitting quietly on the pope, who don’t want to serve in the army, still do not want to smear it with feces. Be it the shot of Stalingrad, be it the same Panfilovites. Even if Private Rain was removed from us, they would still be smeared.


      And from what conclusions is such an interesting conclusion drawn?
      Or is it important to stain an unborn movie with such shit like Stalingrad?
    4. lucidlook
      0
      17 February 2014 17: 41
      What can I say ...

    5. Shur
      0
      17 February 2014 22: 42
      Cynical m and d to! (no less literary word).
  20. +11
    17 February 2014 09: 21
    I listed last December.
    I want such films to be shot in my country. To have something to show my son.
    1. +2
      17 February 2014 15: 48
      Quote: IsailoR
      I listed last December.
      I want such films to be shot in my country. To have something to show my son.

      good
      Similarly.
      And he made it so that the daughter SAMA listed.

      That’s the whole conversation. No blah, blah, blah.
      Yes
  21. +7
    17 February 2014 09: 24
    I will list! And I’ll go to the film, and I’ll take the children (even though there are twenty of them)
    The main thing is for the guys to make a film (excerpts are already taken for life0
    1. +1
      18 February 2014 11: 56
      The main thing is for the guys to make a film (excerpts are already taken for life0

      It will turn out! And so that we, the people, will help.
  22. 0
    17 February 2014 09: 30
    By the way, in the video that the last one was published in the comments so quickly flashed - The Russian military-historical society - who do not know - this is the state structure;)

    http://histrf.ru/ru/rvio/rvio/ukaz-1710
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  24. +10
    17 February 2014 09: 44
    I invite the site administration to think about establishing a national award for works of military-patriotic themes. Articles, books, films, songs. The jury is sure to veterans, heroes of military orders, mothers and wives of soldiers who died for their homeland. I think among readers and authors of the site there are many who want to contribute to the prize pool. Since the state does not support, you can do without it!
    1. +4
      17 February 2014 09: 51
      Quote: Normman
      Since the state does not support, you can do without it!

      not allowed. the state is not only bureaucrats. it's us. we are also parts of this state. and the idea is sound. You are a plus.
      1. +3
        17 February 2014 13: 03
        I agree, I got excited about the state! Please read instead of "state" - "officials"!
  25. +9
    17 February 2014 10: 02
    Well, sooner or later, I think we will have our own Spielberg, at the moment I don’t see such people, almost all Russian cinema for the period 1991-2014 can be safely handed over to a landfill, I don’t understand what a person is guided by filming obvious crap, I’m constantly I'm trying to take the place of, say, the US leadership in the Cold War or Hitler in the end to understand their motives and try to understand the meaning of their actions, and often everything becomes clear, at least for me, but when I take the place of the same Mikhalkov, I just don't I can understand him, a person acts absolutely irrationally, I could expect such a film as "Burnt by the Sun 2", say, from the Baltic states, from a director from Western Ukraine, so much hatred towards his people from a person who positions himself as a patriot to see well, at least strange. For example, what happened to the same Spielberg, if he shot "Saving Private Ryan" or "Pacific Front" "according to Mikhalkov"? For example, American rangers landing on Omaha beach without weapons?with sticks. And the bunker is destroyed not by an American flamethrower, but by a mouse? What is it? And other nonsense in the spirit of Mikhalkov ... Yes, Spielberg would have been blown off his head right away, he would not even have time to pronounce the word "perfectionism". I realized that the 90s are over and the people are no longer the same and most likely as a director “died.” “Stalingrad” from Fedya, a little different, this is the intro to Call of Duty + Love Story. I don't know what Konstantin Sergeevich Stanislavsky would say about Mikhalkov's "creation" would probably not have been theatrical, but about Fedya "I don't believe ..." unambiguously. This is a movie for girls in the scenery of a beautifully burning city, in principle you can watch it once, but it does not evoke any feelings. If the director wanted to convey something to the viewer, then I did not understand him, which means that the director as an artist failed his "mission". Fedya should have had his father's "They Fought for the Motherland" or "Waterloo" to revise, depending on what Fedya wants to say his future "creation". Well, if he wants to shoot another "empty" glam to shoot an urny film, then go ahead and with a song ...
    So to the creator of the film "28 Panfilov's men", first you need to figure out what they want to convey to the viewer with their work, it is clear that in order to make a really good film, you do not need multimillion-dollar budgets, since Balabanov has fully proved this, and "for who "this film is being shot, for the liberals, for the authorities," for show "or for ordinary people.
    1. lucidlook
      +2
      17 February 2014 17: 46
      Quote: Standard Oil
      and "for whom" this film is being shot, for the liberals, for the authorities, "for show" or for ordinary people.

      The rule is simple - who gives money, he orders the music.
  26. ed65b
    +11
    17 February 2014 10: 09
    Someone will say: pathos ... But what is wrong with healthy pathos?
    I don’t think that a soldier with a grenade rushing at the tank thought about whether he was pathos or not and how he looked from the side. may God make a film to help them and if it turns out to be better than Fedkins and Mikhalkov's opuses I will be very happy. Ustyugova noticed in the role.
  27. +2
    17 February 2014 10: 10
    There are a lot of films about the great. another thing is what to give to watch for your children and what not. I, brought up by a generation that survived those terrible years, can still determine what to watch for my son and what not. and if I like the movie, I will definitely watch it with him again. it is necessary to drive the spirit of patriotism into the heads of the younger generation, but without fanaticism. For example, we looked with him and the white tiger (albeit on the brink of science fiction) and the star, and we are from the future, anonymous height. The fine baht is still too early for him.
    1. Kazakhstan
      0
      20 February 2014 16: 34
      I agree, wonderful films.
  28. +1
    17 February 2014 10: 15
    Quote: Standard Oil
    "Stalingrad" by Fedya, a little different, this is the intro to Call of Duty + Love Story.


    You confuse commercial cinema, and documentary cinema. And those examples that you brought - the people would not go to him in the movies. And thanks to STALINGRAD, the youth went to the cinema and watched the film OUR and about US (well, a little about the Germans - because the film is international).

    And about landing without guns, etc. Amers have a film about our sniper - "ENEMY AT THE GATES" is called, and that I do not remember srach in the 2000s about this, like not realistic, etc. For many have Russian fun - we smear everything that is ours, we praise everything imported, but at the same time we call ourselves patriots. I call such people differently - :) Since they are the same patriots, like Obama is white :)
    1. +5
      17 February 2014 10: 47
      Quote: Bad
      Amers have a film about our sniper - "ENEMY AT THE GATES" is called, and I don’t remember a shit in the 2000s about this,

      With connection! laughing As for the "Enemy at the Gates", more than one bundle of copies was broken. Arno even apologized for saying that he wanted to show the opposite. hi
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    3. +6
      17 February 2014 10: 50
      You want to say that the people need a stupid show? There should be no sense? What is the idea of ​​the film "Stalingrad" please enlighten. Let's shoot a bunch of senseless and stupid films. The same "Enemy at the Gates" the entire film was "dragged" only by Ed Harris, only for his sake you can watch this film. If "28 Panfilov's men" is the same as "Stalingrad" by Bondarchuk, then this is another failure.
      1. +6
        17 February 2014 11: 05
        Quote: Standard Oil
        What is the idea behind the film "Stalingrad"

        Salvage to cut down and amuse the vanity of the unifiedrast clipmaker!
      2. +2
        17 February 2014 12: 54
        You want to say that people need a dumb show?
        Modern cinema, as you rightly said, is a show for most, it is clearly visible when you come to the cinema to watch. Most of the spectators who come are in front of the cinema with popcorn and cola (or beer). hi
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      4. +3
        17 February 2014 13: 36
        Quote: Standard Oil
        .If you remove the love line from "Stalingrad", there will be a senseless CoD cutter, remove the cutter, and you will forgive "Twilight".

        Bold plus good
        Regarding the film under discussion - I was particularly surprised by the alleged absence of a love line. Is it possible in our time to make a film about the war without sperm, tears and snot? Does this mean that the authors are not going to make money on this film, because half of the possible audience is immediately cut off by this message? Well, it would be nice - maybe in the movie it will smell less popcorn.
        In short, I am for it. I liked the published snippets. I'll go to the film.
        1. +1
          17 February 2014 22: 17
          Is it possible in our time to make a film about the war without sperm, tears and snot?


          Well, Spielberg, as it were, turned out 2 times. You see, you can, if you want well ...
          By the way, Ptashuk succeeded, however, he did not reach the quality of the source text.
        2. Kazakhstan
          0
          20 February 2014 16: 36
          I'll go too. good
    4. apostrophe
      +2
      17 February 2014 15: 10
      Quote: Bad
      And thanks to STALINGRAD, the youth went to the cinema and watched the film OUR and about US (well, a little about the Germans - because the film is international).


      Excellent gradation, even if the film is shit, but ours is about us. With such a worldview, you need the last armored train, and the rest of the slag to admire.
    5. +1
      17 February 2014 17: 47
      Quote: Bad
      the youth went to the cinema and watched the film OUR and about US

      That is, do you think that if "Stalingrad" was filmed in such a way that the sane part of the population would not spit on it, then young people would not go to it? Is such a patriotic movie necessary then? Who does not want to watch serious films on serious themes, there is Star Wars and so on. Do not mix concepts. For patriotism of young people, you can shoot something in the spirit of "In the zone of special attention." And to justify the fanaticism of pseudo-directors over cinema in such ways is not worth it.
  29. Leshka
    +5
    17 February 2014 10: 30
    finally took up the education of youth at least someone
  30. +7
    17 February 2014 10: 31
    "Aty-baty, soldiers were walking" by L. Bykov is still an unsurpassed folk film about the Great Patriotic War (for my personal taste). So far I have not seen a film about the war stronger.
    1. +5
      17 February 2014 11: 47
      Quote: Prometey
      "Aty-bats, soldiers were walking"

      But what about "Only old men go to battle"? Also a masterpiece. But from the books about the war, I liked Ivan Akulov's "Epiphany" the most. hi
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      2. +4
        17 February 2014 12: 59
        In my opinion, a wonderful film about the Second World War was shot at one time - "In War as in War" - the film is good because it was filmed without distortions - without inappropriate pathos on the one hand and chernukha on the other ... In addition, the success of the film contributed to the fact that it was filmed based on the story of the front-line soldier Kurochkin of the same name, plus a wonderful acting ensemble - it turned out what you need ... Just like with the film "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" - the story of the war participant B. Vasiliev and the skill of the filmmakers. ..
        1. brownie
          +3
          17 February 2014 13: 28
          You can also add "They fought for the Motherland", "Hot Snow" and many others. After all, before, both directors and actors were for the most part direct participants in the events. Yes, and the veterans were still strong and there were many of them, they could express their disagreement with the interpretation of "straight in the face."
          1. ed65b
            +3
            17 February 2014 14: 15
            Quote: little house
            "Hot Snow"

            By the way, the film also had a love line, but it was filed so that it did not contradict the meaning of the film and looked organically. And in almost all films shot in the USSR, love did not distract from the main thing, the defense of the motherland.
            1. Kazakhstan
              0
              20 February 2014 16: 42
              I agree, a wonderful movie.
          2. Kazakhstan
            0
            20 February 2014 16: 41
            I agree, wonderful films.
        2. Kazakhstan
          0
          20 February 2014 16: 40
          I agree, wonderful films. You are charged with a feeling of patriotism and hatred of the enemy who encroached on our Fatherland. It’s a pity for the guys who laid down their heads for us. Eternal memory to them!
      3. 11111mail.ru
        +4
        17 February 2014 19: 12
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        But what about "Only old men go to battle"?

        Nice, yes. But "Chronicle of a Dive Bomber" more deeply and more accurately revealed the topic of aviation + war.
        1. Kazakhstan
          0
          20 February 2014 16: 43
          I agree, a wonderful movie.
      4. Kazakhstan
        0
        20 February 2014 16: 40
        I agree, a wonderful movie.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      +1
      17 February 2014 19: 09
      Quote: Prometey
      "Aty-bats, soldiers were walking" by L. Bykov - so far unsurpassed

      "Hot snow" is definitely very close to the source.
    3. AraSR
      +1
      18 February 2014 03: 48
      Recently - "Brest Fortress". In my opinion, a film about the war has not been filmed for the last 20 years.
      1. Kazakhstan
        0
        20 February 2014 16: 43
        I agree, a wonderful movie.
    4. Kazakhstan
      0
      20 February 2014 16: 39
      I agree, a wonderful movie. You are charged with a feeling of patriotism and hatred of the enemy who encroached on our Fatherland. It’s a pity for the guys who laid down their heads for us. Eternal memory to them!
  31. +7
    17 February 2014 10: 37
    The matter is of course noble and very necessary. With all my heart I wish the Authors good luck in this difficult task: creating a movie on the theme of the Great Patriotic War.
    But cats scratch their hearts all the same ... After all, over these 20 plus years they filmed so much shit on this topic that you no longer believe in the best ... I can, perhaps, note from what I watched, only such as : "Star", "Cuckoo", "Ferry", the television film "Silence" (1992, Sverdlovsk film studio) and, again, a television movie about a sapper (I do not remember the name) with A. Fedortsov in the title role. And, perhaps, everything ... Surely there are still worthy films, but I have not come across them ...
    1. brownie
      +5
      17 February 2014 13: 34
      A good film "Brest Fortress" 2010, directed by Alexander Kott. "We are from the future" 2008, directed by Andrey Malyukov.
      1. +2
        17 February 2014 14: 16
        Quote: little house
        Good film "Brest Fortress" 2010

        I apologize! hi Forgot fool
        Totally agree! hi
      2. +1
        17 February 2014 14: 25
        Quote: little house
        A good film "Brest Fortress" 2010, directed by Alexander Kott.

        as much as memory serves, the Belarus brothers took off the fortress. you and Libya don't liberalize them (white envy) ...
        Quote: little house
        "We are from the future" 2008, directed by Andrey Malyukov.

        the movie is not bad. that's just love here - carrots in large numbers ....
    2. Alex 241
      +5
      17 February 2014 13: 53
      Yura hello. The film is called "Chaklun and Rumba"
      1. +3
        17 February 2014 14: 05
        on DVD it was called "the second mistake of the sapper"
      2. +2
        17 February 2014 14: 18
        Thank you, Sasha! hi I watched it twice. The second time on purpose, to check the sensations after the first viewing. Decent movie hi . What do you think?
        1. Alex 241
          +2
          17 February 2014 14: 44
          You know, although you thought Fedortsov was a "lightweight" serial actor, the film is very catchy.
          1. +1
            17 February 2014 14: 49
            Quote: Alex 241
            You know, although you thought Fedortsov was a "lightweight" serial actor, the film is very catchy.

            Yes, I agree. But behind all the series, Fedortsov has a remarkable acting potential. He could very well have taken the place in the cinema and theater that N. Trofimov from the BDT had once occupied. Well ... So it seems to me ... As an art critic ... feel
            1. Alex 241
              +2
              17 February 2014 14: 54
              Yura absolutely agrees, he opened up with age. It's just that there is no suitable "material" for him, these serials are from here. And as a simple soldier, he revealed himself as a talent.
              1. 0
                17 February 2014 21: 34
                Yes, and in the serials he did not outplay, as in his time A. Panin ... His (A. Panin) role in the film "Rider named Death" (based on the story of B. Savenkov "Pale Horse" ...) is one of the highest achievements of acting in the 21st century ... As young people say - IMHO ...
  32. negeroi
    +2
    17 February 2014 10: 44
    And what about the folk film? And why is it folk? The author of the article, in my opinion, planted a pig for himself. Since it turns out that folk is fabulous, that is. that which, in his opinion, will appeal to a simple inexperienced viewer. Like tales about Ivan the Fool. A hero from the people, and he succeeds.

    I haven’t read comments, because I know what they are saying to the letter. Some curse the cinema for untruth and smear, and then recall Soviet popular paintings with admiration. Others just don’t know what they want, but just poke. Still others don’t accept commercialization and the game style. films. I myself am eagerly glad that our Myth factory has finally worked. And it doesn’t matter to me whether the film is popular or not. A good film is not a historical truth that no one knows, and each has its own version. A good film is just a good film. The historical truth is not in cinema, but in memoirs, but in historical research, it was, is and will be. Most of those present here know about the war of 1812 from fiction and cinema, and at the same time are dissatisfied with modern cinema, which performs the same function as and 100. and 50 years ago - heroization, mythologizing. The boys go to the cinema for action, that's fine, you need to create action films. And then the generation has grown that considers Seagal to be a hero, yes Rimbaud, and right now there are people here who and youthful uprisings carried through life. They only admire not Panfilov’s but their enemies. We even need popular patriotic films, and the name popular, more likely an advertising move than anything related to reality.
    1. +6
      17 February 2014 12: 46
      And what about the national film? And why is it national? Like a fairy tale about Ivanushka the Fool.


      There is always a person who will turn any idea inside out and ask "tricky, far-reaching" questions. Do not look for a "trick" - just read the material to the end, if you have already undertaken to read, and even more so if you have undertaken to write a long comment. There (after the title ...) to you about the patriotic essence of the film and explains.

      Did not read comments
      Well, don't be shy, you didn't read the article either (you walked diagonally) ...

      And "people's" means that it is being filmed with money that any person (from the people), including you, can invest in his shooting. If you are not one of those who are ready to support such an idea, then no one is going to agitate you.
      1. negeroi
        -3
        17 February 2014 13: 42
        You are right and the article obliquely. And it is precisely those who wrap their commercial interests in Narodny who are campaigning for the idea. I know not by hearsay what cinema is, what it is made of and how. It is from simpletons that they want to siphon at least some amount to sell their ambitions and support of their own pants. No far-reaching questions arise from a completely reasonable question. Everything is extremely clear, to which I paid attention. To put it mildly, it is ugly to take money, knowing that they will not be enough for five minutes of the film, except for pins To the organizers of this win-win lottery. I will not be a conscience, because there is nothing. And if everything is really so serious, then the producers would take care of a relatively legal way of taking money, using SMS subscription. Providers willingly go for this, for their share. And with the help of your own work, and direct responsibilities, and ABILITIES. And if you were worried about the film, you could see Joy in my commentary, due to the fact that there is a patriotic project.touched the moment BABLA, because the editorial board went on this dubious, but still, patriotic action. And now brand your enemies pathetically. I am one of those who Knows how much a movie costs, and it’s true, I will not be able to agitate. Your conscience allows those who do not know to agitate. could make sense if it was ALL-RUSSIAN, on all the resources of the country. And you rush into a fight, because you have allowed yourself stupidity, and I am to blame for it. You can sacredly believe that a film can be shot for three kopecks, and beat everyone in the face, who dared to doubt. Only a film is still for three kopecks to remove. You can collect funds for anything by subscription for years. Only in our economy, inflation will gobble up these years of collecting. How many years have already filmed films been "hanging" in film studios, and we and all over the world, there is no money for housekeeping, for voice acting, for salaries, for rent arrears, etc. Okay, let's hope that I'm mean and you're in luck.
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        2. -2
          17 February 2014 15: 12
          negeroi
          I risk not getting into the mainstream, but you are a plus. Earnestly. These good intentions of good people paved the road to ... not there, in short. A film with crowd scenes, costumes, with historical equipment, computer graphics (and without it it is very expensive, the times of "War and Peace" cannot be returned), location filming with the construction of scenery - this is really EXPENSIVE. What's the catch?
          PS I personally have not donated money yet. However, honestly, I do not press.
        3. lucidlook
          0
          17 February 2014 17: 54
          Do not boil, any undertaking goes (if it goes) from small to large. Do you want a nationwide initiative? Fine! I think no one is against it, especially the fundraising initiative group. Offer them your help. I think, for a good cause - I mean the development of patriotic cinema - you will not break the ten-fold price tag, right, right? She decorates modesty.
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      3. 0
        17 February 2014 14: 28
        Quote: Volodin
        I didn’t read the comments. Well, don’t be shy, you didn’t read the article either (they went diagonally) ...

        Are you an ulcer, Alex ... feel
        Quote: Volodin
        There is always a person who will turn any idea inside out and ask "tricky, far-reaching" questions.
        That: yes, yes ...
        Here I have another question, as it were, formed ... Wouldn't our "cinema artists" consider this initiative as an attempt to invade their space? Like, "This is our cow and we milk it?" After all, the audience's interest in cinema is still somehow limited by the size of the audience's wallet. In the presence of a parallel (I will call it that ...) cinema, it will be much more difficult to set records for fees from the next "blackbuster"! I don’t know: did I understand the essence of the question ... But, as it were, I myself have not yet fully formulated itfool...
        1. +3
          17 February 2014 15: 05
          Yuri, there are also certain concerns about our "cinematographers". After all, now money can stifle any (even the freshest and, as they say, socially useful) idea. But I just would like to wish the guys who are making this film success and help, as they say, on a voluntary basis. If the film comes out worthwhile, then the viewer will still appreciate it (no matter how good obscenities these "cinemasters" screamed there).
          1. +1
            17 February 2014 21: 37
            Quote: Volodin
            If the film comes out worthwhile, then the viewer will still appreciate it (no matter how good obscenities these "cinemasters" screamed there).

            God forbid ... Though I am not a believer ...
            1. +7
              17 February 2014 21: 45
              Hello Yur! Are you all fighting? The beginning is good, if only the ending did not disappoint. IMHO
              1. 0
                17 February 2014 22: 29
                Quote: major071
                Are you all fighting?

                Well, if only they hadn’t driven vodka from sawdust! We wouldn’t fight ...
        2. negeroi
          0
          20 February 2014 11: 20
          Gy) Yes, there is a field, even a company, even whole countries invade. To capture the market such a miserable adventure in the form of mouse fuss, well oh how not enough. In short, it’s good that you didn’t formulate this stupidity. To milk this cow, you need money for another movie, an advertising one, and an appropriate company. Market invaders spend hundreds of millions, and do not post an article on the site.
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    2. apostrophe
      +3
      17 February 2014 15: 26
      Quote: negeroi
      And what about the national film?


      It is possible that it is being filmed with folk money, no? smile
  33. Leopold
    +6
    17 February 2014 10: 53
    contributed 500 rubles. Perhaps help.
    1. UpgradeComplete
      -16
      17 February 2014 13: 49
      yeah) remove the homophilic film with yours and gentlemen god and jesuschrist help) amen)
  34. +3
    17 February 2014 11: 07
    I hope that the attack of liberalism on people's memory, on the truth, begins to come to a natural end. Moreover, the false historians choked with their own vomit, they were lying so much that most of the people finally began to understand the true "value" of the ideas introduced by the West.
    "Rainy Shenderovichi" jumping out of their pants, they jumped out! And .. we saw all the "filling" without embellishment.
    We are waiting for worthy films, we are waiting for books, we are waiting for the analysis of the opened archives, we are waiting for the Truth.
  35. ng1941
    +5
    17 February 2014 11: 21
    Firstly, the film will be released at the box office, the reason is simple for more than 10 thousand. people have already donated money for the film and more than a hundred thousand are interested in this project, not a single adequate distributor will pass by with this and even without advertising.
    The second film is about to folk money and can rightfully be called national.
    the third in the film will not be "one rifle for three", "tanks with sails", a love line, and fat nkvdshnikov, oh yes, and machine guns pushing especially careless people in the backs will not be verified either.
  36. Jedi
    -13
    17 February 2014 11: 28
    Quote: Slavapom
    Powerful episode !!! I wish the authors of the film also make the whole film, because if the whole film is shot like this episode, then the film will be BOMB, how much will the liberal stench be hard to even imagine. Bondarchuk-Mikhalkovskaya shobla on the snot will come out and drown in them

    and what is powerful there? if they sit in the dugout for 2 hours and tell each other about how they will beat the Germans, then no "bomb" will work. and by the way it is interesting - long ago Mikhalkov and Bondarchuk became snotty liberals?
  37. +2
    17 February 2014 11: 44
    <<< This option (making a film with public money without officials from cinematography) became a forced for the film ........ it makes it possible to shoot a movie that is "not from above", but which is from those who will be it the main viewer is an ordinary average Russian - a person who is tired of pouring tons of, excuse me, shit on Russian history and culture by various possessed authors from both the cinematic and literary communities. >>>
    Truly, we have already GOT all these our movie theaters ... the masters are Oscar-beggars, that the "sun-weary" movie master, that other "enlighteners" with their libesral film revelations, the purpose of which is to achieve recognition, praise from the Western philistine, the gamemocratic public, for which to please their "famous" ideas about Russia, about the Russians need, without tormenting remorse, just knead more dirt into the events of Russian history, the Second World War, no matter how heroic they are!
  38. +9
    17 February 2014 11: 48
    The film is needed, especially since there were no patriotic films in our cinema for a long time.

    Here are some interview videos





    Veteran of the Battle of Stalingrad Stalingrad
  39. -4
    17 February 2014 11: 55
    Quote: 31231
    For some reason, I believe in this film more. Just look at the partners of the crew. One of them is the Russian Historical Society.


    Which is a state structure, from which the article just deny :)
  40. +2
    17 February 2014 11: 59
    Quote: Slavapom
    Powerful episode !!! I wish the authors of the film also make the whole film, because if the whole film is shot like this episode, then the film will be BOMB, how much will the liberal stench be hard to even imagine. Bondarchuk-Mikhalkovskaya shobla on the snot will come out and drown in them


    I agree powerful. A bit of efficiency is not enough (a link to the experience of past battles seems to be - we do it, as last time).

    We must remember that the team of tank destroyers is the color of 2 battalions, and not a platoon of 4 companies (just 4 companies turned out to be on the left flank of the division (the joint where the Germans struck with all their might - a breakthrough site).

    They were all already in the October battles (almost a month), had experience and successful (Klochkov was awarded the first BKZ). And the episode shows the internal confidence of the fighters and the lack of fuss.
    Moreover, if this episode is before the LAST battle, it means that they have already shot down 5 tanks in the morning.
  41. parus2nik
    +1
    17 February 2014 12: 01
    Good luck, what would the film turn out!
  42. 0
    17 February 2014 12: 02
    Confuses the name of the film. They were not 28. The main thing is that they did not run, but burned German tanks to the last possible opportunity.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      +1
      17 February 2014 19: 19
      Quote: Vadim2013
      Confuses the name of the film. There were not 28

      The scriptwriter and the director know better, this is not a documentary.
  43. +2
    17 February 2014 12: 15
    "The goal of the author's group is to convey to the modern viewer what was happening on the approaches to Moscow back in 1941, how the soldiers in the snows near Moscow Volokolamsk direction opposed the tank armadas of the Nazis (2nd and 11th tank divisions of the enemy), then, which is a real feat in the name of the Fatherland. "
    I really want to believe that this will really be a film based on historical facts, and not a Hollywood fairy tale like "ala Bondarchuk (Stalingrad) !!! For a long time there were no real films about that time ...
  44. +4
    17 February 2014 12: 18
    Everyone agrees that good new war films are needed. Let's help, we are not going to be poor, and the film crew suddenly has exactly what it takes.
  45. +1
    17 February 2014 12: 27
    Quote: Bronis
    Quote: Clever man
    Many beautiful words ... I would like to believe that it will be so.

    Somehow it will be. I didn't really believe in the project myself. But he took part in the support as much as he could. Well, I just got so tired of "semi-official insanity" like "Burnt by the Sun", "Stalingrad" and others. So it's a matter of principle. I don't know if they will, but I want to believe that there are still normal honest people ... I really want to believe ...

    I fully support it, only an anti-patriot could distort the history of Pavlov's house, as in "Stalingrad", and I hope that the Panfilovites will not have sex during the battle and a disagreement with history that is beneficial for the director!
  46. +1
    17 February 2014 12: 37
    Followed the link, contributed. I hope the film will turn out worthy.
  47. +1
    17 February 2014 12: 51
    On the one hand, making a patriotic film with money collected from people is good. Such a kind of popular response to the "Penal Battalion", "US" and the like. But on the other hand, since all this d ... mo was created with money allocated from the budget, then there is for our money. Therefore, I think first you need to understand and punish the creators of the sludge, then you look and there would be no need to collect a penny to create a normal film. Who and how will understand and punish is another question, but if Mikhalkov and his like get away with it, then one worthy film will continue to have several highs ...
  48. +2
    17 February 2014 12: 54
    There are no better Soviet films about the war and hardly ever will be. Ozerov's "Liberation" is the clearest example of a real, patriotic cinema!
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    2. +1
      17 February 2014 19: 38
      "They fought for the Motherland" what's wrong?
  49. UpgradeComplete
    -19
    17 February 2014 12: 54
    another homophilic ... type 9 vomiting and dying? They don’t know how to shoot action films and action games in Russia, like in America! Well, they don’t know how !!! and attempts to shoot look so flawed) and some clowns also go to the cinemas for this dull homo ... Sadness ...
    1. UpgradeComplete
      -8
      17 February 2014 14: 07
      Ahah)) n * o * minuses are negative) they can’t admit that they will go to the cinema to the homophile, and they will persistently advise everyone to go, although they themselves will outweigh while watching) ahah)
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        1. UpgradeComplete
          -8
          17 February 2014 15: 23
          And why did the ophthalmologist have so long been checked? where even in one post the topic of homosexuals? Or are you one of these, just to spit out?) In your post twice mentions "rear-wheel drive" and one homosexual) Looks now which of us two of them) ahah)
          1. +3
            17 February 2014 16: 16
            The typical answer of 3.14 is the switch and switchman ...... and the switchman is even worse
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              2. 0
                17 February 2014 16: 48
                close your smelly hollow ... finished wafer, switchman 3.14ras!
                What hooked you into clean water?
                1. UpgradeComplete
                  -10
                  17 February 2014 16: 52
                  Ahah)) formidable pogecanets) re-read the message history - you will see that you brought yourself to clean water) ahah) clown)
                  And advice: less to the head fuck - otherwise you’ll knock out the last brains)
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2014 17: 20
                    oh miracle - the addict gives out tips!
                    Why don’t you calm down in any way? breaks?
                    Your care about my brains is very flattering to me, but it’s much more important for you to tidy up your ..... and you’ll eat an hour for treatment ......
                    Yes, and less with drugs, they destroy the central nervous system and lead to an inadequate perception of reality
                  2. +2
                    17 February 2014 17: 29
                    You write write ...... cheap troll ...... soon everything will be written on your forehead, and everyone will know that you are a corrupt whore ..... slam their own kents in the area
            2. UpgradeComplete
              -8
              17 February 2014 16: 32
              Even forgive the pisces, a stupid pisces - so more correct)
              Indeed, according to your logic, if homosexuals are often mentioned, then a man of them. In your post, homosexuals were mentioned once, and rear-wheel drive twice. In my posts - the above has never been mentioned. So according to your logic - are you the rear-wheel drive) or the snap button) what is more convenient for you?
              1. +1
                17 February 2014 16: 52
                Your level of intelligence is extremely low ..... I feel sorry for you!
                You yourself continue the topic .... draw your own conclusions!
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                  1. +2
                    17 February 2014 17: 37
                    nobody merged ... you just have nothing to refute your infamous essence ........ cheap insults the lot of cheap and limited ......
                    now everything is clear what g0vn0 in your head ...... gave himself .... horse-3.14dark!
    2. +1
      17 February 2014 14: 16
      Quote: UpgradeComplete
      They don’t know how to shoot action films and action games in Russia, like in America!

      Is it necessary? Is it worth learning this, if I may say so, "art"? I don’t know how you, but for me, "The Living and the Dead" to compare with "Ryne", for example, or "The Chronicle of a Dive Bomber" with "Pearl Harbor" is the same as "The Moment of Truth" is compared with James Bond, and " War and Peace "with Batman comics.
      According
      Quote: UpgradeComplete
      dull homo
      Minus you.
      1. UpgradeComplete
        -11
        17 February 2014 14: 33
        Yes, I’m not saying that it’s worth learning, only one hundred percent will be shot in this style - it will come out like a night shame, like grandmas were killed normally - but it turned out a huet ...

        Quote: Luga
        Minus you

        I put it on a minus if that)
        1. 11111mail.ru
          +4
          17 February 2014 19: 36
          Quote: UpgradeComplete
          I put it on a minus if that)

          The troll was incorrectly called not UpgradeComplete, but Imbecilecomplete.
        2. +2
          18 February 2014 00: 44
          Quote: UpgradeComplete
          I put it on a minus if that)

          You put your pants on, a cormorant is cheap.
    3. +1
      17 February 2014 15: 16
      Quote: UpgradeComplete
      They don’t know how to shoot action films and action games in Russia, like in America!


      Do not need. Why do we need "militants"? Action games (if you like) look American.
      And films about our war are better.
      "They fought for the Motherland", "Hot Snow", "Aty-Baty ..", "Katya, Katenka", "They are going to battle .." ....
      What do you contrast these pictures? Their strength, spirit?
      Saving Private Ryan? Not near!
      1. UpgradeComplete
        -5
        17 February 2014 15: 33
        Yes, you don’t get it all ??? I don’t even need our films to look like Ryan and so on .. Only our cinema has long slipped into flawed and inept copying of the Western style. 100% will be so this time. This is sad.
        Ryan didn’t look, because I don’t like films about war (feature). More like documentaries. And the art about the war, and even the American one - no, thanks.
        But the militants and horrors - with pleasure I will watch the American. Although stupid, but special effects - this is taken. Everything is better than ours: no special effects, no plot - but the face of Bondarchuk or Mikhalkov. Ugh.
    4. 11111mail.ru
      0
      17 February 2014 19: 25
      Quote: UpgradeComplete
      They don’t know how to shoot action films and action games in Russia, like in America!

      "Elusive Avengers", "White Sun of the Desert".
  50. Apologet insane
    -9
    17 February 2014 12: 56
    The authors of the film, judging by the teaser, have clearly revised the new comic "300 Spartans" and are striving precisely for their aesthetics and pathos. And it's incredibly cool !!! If they make a movie about ours in the style of epic action on steroids, they will bring our cinema to a new level !!! Good luck guys !!!

    And I don't care how far from the truth he is. This is primarily an entertainment propaganda movie. Nobody snot about the fact that there are really three hundred of them in the "300 Spartans", without servants, slaves, a tub of shit for a toilet, and a traveling brothel.
    1. UpgradeComplete
      -9
      17 February 2014 13: 15
      but it’s impossible even to remove something similar to the Western one in this vein ... No matter how many grandmas swell. Ours is just comedies, without a budget, but watch a hundred times - you'll smile every time)
      1. Apologet insane
        +1
        17 February 2014 14: 06
        We have good movies about the war at the level of Western category B - the same "We are from the future" both parts, I watched with pleasure. If they do not overdo it with the "scatter-mother" pathos, but will do it about the warriors-heroes with an emphasis on battle scenes, then respect. I hate Stalin and the entire Bolshevik gang, but if they coolly portray this ideological moment, which played a significant role in the minds of our fighters, then I’m all for it. The main thing is that no one forcibly drove schoolchildren into cinemas to watch this movie, as on Mikhalkovskoe squalor.
    2. lucidlook
      0
      17 February 2014 20: 18
      As I understand it, you, an apologist for the truth, have of course already watched (or even more than once) all 18 episodes of The Great War. Yes?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8fUSSe4j80&list=PL1Aip1LakyIbMBeTqUrsVVHqjRjEAaP
      dh

      A little hint - the movie is not only documentary.
      1. Apologet insane
        -3
        17 February 2014 20: 51
        I'm talking about feature films, not about the BBC style.
  51. UpgradeComplete
    -8
    17 February 2014 12: 56
    Ahah)) do they also ask for money for this? God help you!))
  52. +3
    17 February 2014 13: 10
    I'll definitely take part!
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  54. 0
    17 February 2014 14: 07
    They should remind us more often that money is being collected for such a masterpiece! For such a good deed, money is not a pity! Look, what kind of rentals will be collected, it will be possible to use it for some healthy, popular project. For example, a true film about the life and fate of a wonderful person L.P. Beria.
  55. 0
    17 February 2014 14: 09
    Quote: Bronis
    "Tank Man"
    There is a mistake in the tankman at the very beginning, we didn’t catch it. There the tankman is running with a sapper shovel on his belt. Well, the costume designer got it wrong. And so it is quite.
    1. +1
      18 February 2014 00: 48
      Quote: tundra
      There the tankman is running with a sapper shovel on his belt. Well, the costume designer got it wrong.

      That tanker from PRM. He doesn’t fight in a tank as much as he tows them with a tractor and repairs them.
  56. 0
    17 February 2014 14: 17
    I’ll also make my contribution with money, I’m surprised that the state is on the sidelines, isn’t there public support, let them hammer out the necessary sites. Putin opened the military historical society, which means there are ways out.
    On my own behalf, I would like to wish you good luck in filming, for me it’s more believable, otherwise in the trailer the fighter knits the bundle from aluminum wire, where was it before?
  57. +2
    17 February 2014 14: 18
    Even the “Brest Fortress” was smeared with feces by commentators, like not everything is realistic.

    Have you lost your mind? If you make the war realistic on the screen, you will spend the entire film, sorry for the rudeness - blatantly - and your girls will lose consciousness from the amount of blood, severed limbs, etc.. It’s not for you to play games with “realistic” effects." If you want such realism, go to the hot spots and fight if you want more blood.

    Commercial cinema is always a show, this is what cinemas were created for, and in fact, it is thanks to such cinema that they exist. But war cinema is always an expense, and not a small one, and if it is not made commercial, then there will be plywood tanks driving around, the same faces of extras everywhere, etc. You yourself will be the first to start yelling - what kind of bullshit was they foisting on us?

    If you want real events, read books, or watch documentaries, although there are inconsistencies in them, because the vision of history can be different.
    1. smersh70
      -4
      17 February 2014 14: 24
      Quote: Bad
      Even the “Brest Fortress” was smeared with feces by commentators, like not everything is realistic.

      yes, it’s a little unrealistic. Why didn’t they show then where the command of the 10th tank division had gone, why one major was left to command the personnel of 2 full-blooded divisions, where the party and Soviet bodies of the city of Brest were located (by 11 o’clock they were already approaching Minsk-DRAPALI in cars)
      but the Dnieper line clearly conveys all the realities of that time, both defense, and the attitude towards commanders from the NKVD (the relationship between special officers and commanders), the mood of the soldiers, the defense of pillboxes, the equipment of the Germans (and not how the T-72 and MTLB go and an attack by the Germans) and so on.
      1. +3
        17 February 2014 15: 21
        Quote: smersh70
        Why didn’t they show then where the command of the 10th Panzer Division had gone, why only one major was left to command the personnel of 2 full-blooded divisions, where there were party

        Probably the authors wanted to make a film about the defense of the fortress, about heroism, about how they died but did not give up... and not about traitors, the bastard who escaped....
        Maybe so, don’t you think?
        1. smersh70
          0
          17 February 2014 16: 12
          Quote: Chen
          ь film about the defense of the fortress, about heroism, about how they died but did not give up

          I agree, but if the film claims to be realistic, then it is necessary to show all the events, and if not, then there will be some kind of Uryalkin film. Even in Soviet times, under the dominance of Glavlit and GlavPUR, films showed cowards and deserters in a way that was more beneficial for the patriotic education. One film by Rolan Bykov is worth something - Road Check - it seems like it has been lying on the shelf for 30 years. But what a film.
  58. +2
    17 February 2014 14: 19
    On the one hand, making a patriotic film with money collected from people is a good idea. So to speak, the people’s answer to “Penal Battalion”, “US”, etc. But on the other hand, all this s...mo was created with money allocated from the budget, that is, with our money. In my opinion, first it is necessary to figure it out and punish the creators of these masterpieces, then there would be no need to collect pennies for a worthy film .How and who will sort it out and punish is another question, but if Mikhalkov and others like him are not hit on the wrist, then they will continue to create. And our crumbs will not change the situation. There will be a ton of high...ra for one worthy film.
    And actually, why do we then support all these cultures with all their ministers? Why would we not care about our past? Yes, even if the film was made with sponsors’ money, then please respect the veterans, respect the history of the country.
    There is another delicate point - the talent of the film's creators. Why is "They Fought for the Motherland" a great film? Yes, because it was created (sorry for the caps) by BONDARCHUK, SHUKSHIN, NIKULIN, TIKHONOV based on the work of SHOLOKHOV. After all, it’s not enough to make the right film; it needs to be made by talented people, professionals in their field.
  59. ed65b
    +7
    17 February 2014 14: 24
    Where did we get so many cynics on our website? Any undertaking is immediately discussed. Let me finally take it off and give it a ride, then we’ll talk. Whether or not to help the guys is a personal matter. By the way, Boris Abramovich gave money for “Purgatory”. What made Nevzorov make him look worse? And he discovered new actors for us.
  60. 0
    17 February 2014 14: 45
    The film has not yet been released, and some people already have so much negativity... When it comes out, let's go and see it. Then it will be necessary to discuss all the + and -. In general, I really want a good, normal film about the Second World War.
  61. +1
    17 February 2014 14: 50
    Quote: smersh70
    yes, it’s a little unrealistic. Why didn’t they show then where the command of the 10th tank division had gone, why one major was left to command the personnel of 2 full-blooded divisions, where the party and Soviet bodies of the city of Brest were located (by 11 o’clock they were already approaching Minsk-DRAPALI in cars)


    Because - will it pass as an answer? ;)

    Or write again, if you want realism, watch a documentary?
    1. smersh70
      -2
      17 February 2014 14: 53
      Quote: Bad
      If you want realism, watch documentaries?
      and there are management there, like a shambles, smile Well then, give me a link or a place where I can watch it. At least in the city of Dzerzhinsk, near Minsk, where the archive of the Republic of Belarus is located, I haven’t seen it there
      1. +3
        17 February 2014 15: 01
        Quote: smersh70
        and there are bosses there

        How much bile you have... It’s disgusting to read!
        THE NOTHINGS were scuttled, both in moral and numerical aspects...
        If everyone had "scraped" there would not have been May 1945...

        Quiet!!!
        1. smersh70
          -2
          17 February 2014 15: 19
          Quote: Corsair
          How much bile you have... It’s disgusting to read!

          And where does my bile, which is not there, have to do with it? It really stings my eyes. These were the realities of the summer of ’41. If you don’t believe me, read the Bulletin of the CPSU Central Committee for 88. there are archival documents of the Brest Regional Party Committee. AND REMEMBER Corsair - if I write, I always write what I saw with my own eyes or read documents.
          And if you don’t believe this, raise the topic of the underground city and regional party committees and compare them with the composition of the pre-war committee. Then you will see who remained underground and who left. You can also look at the Minsk Committee.
          Also Corsair - the topic of the war in Belarus is not your topic, let a graduate of the Belarusian State University speak on this matter)) you are better able to write about the Maidan and about Ukraine fellow
          1. +3
            17 February 2014 15: 26
            Quote: smersh70
            Also Corsair - the topic of the war in Belarus is not your topic, let a graduate of the Belarusian State University speak on this matter

            It’s not a matter of education (the “maydowns” Klitschko, Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok are also pretty good), but HOW you apply your knowledge, in what context...
            1. smersh70
              0
              17 February 2014 15: 39
              Quote: Corsair
              in HOW you apply your knowledge, in what context...

              According to the report of the authorized representative of the 3rd department of the 10th mixed air division, Leonov, dated June 27, “at 12 o’clock at night on June 22, 1941, from the German side in the area of ​​​​Brest (fortress and training ground), German military units gave signals with rockets: red, white and Green colour.
              The commanders and members of their families in the fortress believed that the German troops were training; no precautions were taken by the command of the Brest garrison.
              The commanders and members of their families thought that this exercise in the German army was being carried out in the same way as in our army, which was supposed to be held on the 20th of this month.
              After signals on the enemy side at 1-2 a.m. in the city of Brest, all communications were disrupted, apparently by a saboteur group. [...]There are no medicines in the hospitals, especially bandages; local doctors work without military supervision. The soldiers of the Brest garrison, who came out on alarm, had a supply of 15 rounds of ammunition; having used them up, the Incas retreated to the Zhab area in disarray, since there was no ammunition.
              On the night of June 22-23, the entire party and Soviet leadership of the Bialystok region shamefully fled. All employees of the NKVD and NKGB, led by the heads of the agencies, also fled. A similar situation occurred in almost all district and city organizations. All the police fled from Bialystok and other cities. Cities, and in particular Bialystok, as the nearest supply base, were left without power. Hostile elements took advantage of this and raised their heads. More than one person released from prison 3000 arrested, who began robberies and pogroms in the city. Hostile elements opened fire from the windows at passing units and the rear of our troops, using weapons hidden from the former Polish army and abandoned by our units.
        2. smersh70
          -2
          17 February 2014 15: 44
          Quote: Corsair
          they attacked the NUMBERS, both in moral and numerical aspects...

          About the work of the 3rd department - REFERENCE
          A large number of Red Army soldiers, having abandoned their weapons, wander through the villages, are not detained by German troops, and are not taken prisoner. In some cases, these groups are used by the Germans for work (building houses, clearing roads, etc.). The command staff is shot on the spot by any rank of the German army as soon as it is established that this person belongs to the command staff. The civilian population is not affected. Representatives of the German command visited individual villages and proposed to leave the existing order, not to dissolve the collective farms, especially insisting that the harvest be harvested in an organized manner. It should be noted that, as a rule, The district party and Soviet leadership fled from all places 5-6 days before the enemy appeared, leaving the entire collective farm Soviet activists of the village without leadership.
          The behavior of Deputy People's Commissar of Defense Marshal Kulik is unclear. He ordered everyone to take off their insignia, throw away their documents, then change into peasant clothes, and he himself changed into peasant clothes. He himself did not have any documents with him; I don’t know if he took them with him from Moscow. He offered to throw away the weapon, and for me personally, orders and documents, however, except for his adjutant, a major by rank, I forgot his last name, no one threw away the documents or weapons.
          He motivated this by the fact that if we were captured by the enemy, he would take us for peasants and let us go.

          Just before crossing the front, Comrade Kulik rode in a peasant cart along the very road along which German tanks were moving, which was well known to Comrade. Kulik followed the tracks of German vehicles (they are different from ours) and the stories of peasants, and only a happy accident saved us from meeting the Germans. Marshal Comrade Kulik said that he could swim well, but he did not swim across the river, but waited until they put together a raft” (Ibid. L. 330-340.)
          1. smersh70
            +2
            18 February 2014 00: 17
            Quote: smersh70
            About the work of the 3rd department - REFERENCE
            I'm just amazed laughingThis is not my certificate)))) but from the detective in 1941 bully I have no words.....
            1. +2
              18 February 2014 00: 22
              Quote: smersh70
              I’m simply amazed this certificate is not mine)))) but I have no words for the detective in 1941.....

              It’s hard for people to wrap their heads around this, because they can’t separate propaganda and history. laughing
              Although many people know about the panic in Moscow on October 15-16, 1941 fellow
              1. smersh70
                +1
                18 February 2014 00: 48
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                , because they cannot separate propaganda and history
                I agree)))) I won’t talk about panic at all, otherwise right now they’ll accuse me of serving under Vlasov bully
                and I watched about the film in the evening, it’s not a bad film, I was especially surprised by the museum of the Vlasovites in Russia. The day before yesterday, one comrade here accused us of Dan, that show at least one monument or museum to the traitors in Russia. Thanks RTR, I suggested it smile Now let that comrade, if he reads the comment, go there and punch this museum guy in the face.
                1. +2
                  18 February 2014 01: 05
                  Quote: smersh70
                  The day before yesterday, one comrade here accused us of Dan, that show at least one monument or museum to traitors in Russia

                  “Liquidating” these Russian banderlogs is not a problem.
                  I was more upset by the information about the “cooperation” of Latvians and our marginalized people - I fought for almost three days with the Latvian “lawyer” for the “occupation”. And then there’s this “stab in the back.” fellow
                  1. +1
                    18 February 2014 01: 18
                    Okay, guys, I treat you all with respect. Ilyich, I always listen to you! And Smersh, what can I say, is my friend! We think the same way! Guys, what can you say about the trailer for the film “Heart of the Enemy” (posted above) ?What did these bastards ban?
                    1. +2
                      18 February 2014 01: 25
                      Quote: Den 11
                      What did these bastards ban?

                      Do not know...
                      The topic is slippery on our resource...
                      My mother, who survived the occupation, remembers a German soldier who treated her to candy. And he remembers the policemen very well - both local and Finnish volunteers.
                    2. smersh70
                      +1
                      18 February 2014 01: 31
                      Quote: Den 11
                      Guys, what can you say about the trailer for the film “Heart of the Enemy” (posted above)? What did these brutes ban?
                      I just searched on YouTube)0 it turns out the film is from 2011. I still haven’t heard it. Could it be that the pirates couldn’t whistle anything))) I agree with Ilyich that the topic is very, very slippery. They can accuse us of anything... even that certificate from the detective that says --- The civilian population is not touched. Representatives of the German command visited individual villages and proposed to leave the existing order, not to dissolve the collective farms, especially insisting that the harvest be harvested in an organized manner.
                      judging by the stories of eyewitnesses, the German atrocities began only later, when the resistance of the local population began.
                      1. +2
                        18 February 2014 01: 37
                        Quote: smersh70
                        judging by the stories of eyewitnesses, the German atrocities began only later, when the resistance of the local population began.

                        Here people kept arguing about the best films about the war... And no one remembered “Come and See” by Elem Klimov.
                      2. smersh70
                        +1
                        18 February 2014 01: 44
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        And no one remembered “Come and See” by Elem Klimov.
                        a heavy film. Right now I’m watching “One War” by Vera Glagoleva, another difficult film is “Franz and Polina”,
                        Among the patriotic ones, in 1st place is the “Dnieper Frontier” of the modern ones, meaning. And in the spring 44-professional good
                      3. +2
                        18 February 2014 01: 49
                        And I liked the film “Brest Fortress” (new). But the best one for me is “star” (new) - it just touches the soul
                      4. +1
                        18 February 2014 01: 55
                        Quote: smersh70
                        "One War" by Vera Glagoleva, another difficult film - "Franz and Polina",
                        Among the patriotic ones, in 1st place is the “Dnieper Frontier” of the modern ones, meaning. And in the spring 44-professional

                        I like “The White Tiger” - for the “correct” technique, for the camera work.
                        As a boy, I asked my father when the then popular military films “In War as in War,” “Wild Honey,” “Chronicle...” were shown on TV, how correctly it was shown. The father looked away, paused with a slight sigh, and answered that it was far from true...
                      5. 0
                        18 February 2014 02: 01
                        Do you know, Ilyich, what I liked about “The White Tiger”? - this is the ending, when Aloizych says (reflecting) that EVERYONE is thinking about it and everyone is just talking...
                      6. +3
                        18 February 2014 02: 09
                        Quote: Den 11
                        - this is the ending when Aloizych says (reflecting) that EVERYONE is thinking about this and everyone is just talking...

                        Agree. A wonderful ending. Shakhnazarov made a wonderful film. And only the narrow-minded saw in it a simple confrontation between the T-34-85 and the “Tiger”.
                      7. +1
                        18 February 2014 02: 14
                        Young people definitely won’t understand! Shakhnazarov put a deep philosophical meaning into the film
                      8. smersh70
                        0
                        18 February 2014 02: 23
                        Quote: Den 11
                        Young people definitely won’t understand! Shakhnazarov put a deep philosophical meaning into the film
                        laughing good I don’t like films about war with such meanings))))))) In general, Dan, you’ve intrigued me with a film about pilots)) raise the stakes, maybe someone will find a version and we can watch it))))))
                      9. 0
                        18 February 2014 02: 27
                        I don’t believe it myself. Maybe some idiot was able to steal a copy? If you find it, everything is still valid!
                      10. +1
                        18 February 2014 11: 18
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        And only the narrow-minded saw in it a simple confrontation between the T-34-85 and the “Tiger”.

                        Guys, sorry for interfering:

                        Ilyich, Denis - send everyone to read the book ITSELF.
                        As a book lover, she gave me a good shake up in the right understanding. Maybe others will do the same.
                      11. +2
                        18 February 2014 14: 11
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        Ilyich, Denis - send everyone to read the book ITSELF.

                        Thank you Alexey!
                        I looked in the "paper" - no...
                        But from Rezun-pi...dun there is no free space on the shelves
                      12. +2
                        18 February 2014 15: 23
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        I looked in the "paper" - no...

                        But I don’t even hope for it anymore... “on paper”.

                        I read on the internet.
                        There are many links, Ilyich:
                        http://modernlib.ru/books/boyashov_ilya_vladimirovich/tankist_ili_beliy_tigr/rea
                        d/
                      13. Alex 241
                        +2
                        18 February 2014 15: 38
                        Ilyich, good afternoon, the book can be ordered on ozone. Here is the link http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/3799050/
                      14. +1
                        18 February 2014 16: 19
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Ilyich, good afternoon, the book can be ordered on ozone. Here is the link

                        Thank you, Alexander!
                        When I get back from work I'll do it...
                        hi
                      15. 0
                        23 February 2014 10: 44
                        The book is excellent. I just didn't really like the ending. But it’s easy to read and you can’t put it down.
                      16. smersh70
                        +1
                        18 February 2014 02: 07
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        for the "correct" technique, for
                        for the technique, yes, and for the beginning of the film too, but what happened at the end is simply terrible. Some kind of unfinished film.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        The father looked away, paused with a slight sigh, and answered that it was far from true...
                        The grandfather said the same thing, grinning. And when they questioned him, he didn’t say anything, he said, you’ll be in the war, you’ll see for yourself. Many years have passed, but he was still right.
                      17. +1
                        18 February 2014 02: 18
                        Quote: smersh70
                        for the technique, yes, and for the beginning of the film too, but what happened at the end is simply terrible. Some kind of unfinished film.

                        Do you remember how “silently” the “White Tiger” appeared on camera for the first time? How did he supposedly “swim” through swamps, etc.? Compare in the final when Naydenov does the same noiselessly drove away from the major... This is the story of the development of the combat experience of the tank forces of the Red Army; there were no secrets for our tank crews at the end of the war. And they proved it in August 1945...
                        And the fact that Naydenov did not burn the “White Tiger”... So Naydenov and his crew (the sniper Hook and the alcoholic loader) remained alive and lived to see the Victory.
      2. +5
        17 February 2014 15: 25
        Quote: smersh70
        and there are bosses there


        For you, the history of the war is only drudgery, betrayal, stupidity, cowardice?
        They cowardly scurried to Berlin??
        1. smersh70
          -3
          17 February 2014 15: 34
          Quote: Chen
          For you, the history of the war is only drudgery, betrayal, stupidity, cowardice? They cowardly scurried to Berlin??

          we are considering the topic of the initial period, namely the realism of the picture about the Brest Fortress
          1. +2
            17 February 2014 16: 38
            Quote: smersh70
            we are considering the topic of the initial period

            Probably, you and I do not understand each other.
            It's like looking at a glass. For one it is half empty, for another it is half full.
            1. smersh70
              -2
              17 February 2014 17: 15
              Quote: Chen
              It's like looking at a glass. For one it is half empty, for another it is half full.

              what to anyone, and a comb to a bald man bully This is what the Russian proverb says)))
              1. 11111mail.ru
                +1
                17 February 2014 19: 43
                Quote: smersh70
                who cares, but for a bald man, a comb is what the Russian proverb says)))

                To whom it is, but to the mangy one - a bath.
                1. +1
                  17 February 2014 22: 56
                  I don’t understand what the argument is about. But I suggest everyone read this

                  http://militera.lib.ru/research/sb_tragedy1941/text.html

                  There were heroes and there were also cowards. We must remember everything. We must analyze everything. Otherwise, we can step on the same rake again.
                  1. +2
                    18 February 2014 00: 27
                    Quote: lonely
                    There were heroes and there were also cowards. We must remember everything. We must analyze everything. Otherwise, we can step on the same rake again.

                    Late in the evening on Channel 2 there was a good program about traitors, about the ideological war against the USSR-Russia... Good words were said there: “If the people do not know the truth about Vlasov, then tomorrow there will be a damn cloud of these Vlasovs.”
                    hi
  62. +1
    17 February 2014 14: 51
    Why not make a science-fiction film based on Fyodor Berezin’s novel “Lunar Option”? Here you have both the novelty of the topic and patriotism, which will definitely attract the viewer :-)
    1. 0
      17 February 2014 15: 49
      Berezin has a very unique style. There are a lot of arguments that, if you throw them out, then nothing is clear, but if you leave them, there’s a lot of “water”.
      It would be better then to film his “Cataclysms”, it’s even about the war laughing
      1. 0
        17 February 2014 16: 57
        Well, why, there’s action in it like Skylab knocked Diamond out of a laser and cool negotiations between the astronauts and the State Department, the only thing I would throw out is Yuri Gagarin, he’s not presented in the same form there, the end is really dramatic, but the feat is described in detail
  63. +4
    17 February 2014 15: 14
    Is it weak to film all three books “The Living and the Dead”?! What an epic it would be, from the retreat of the 41st to Operation Bagration!
  64. apostrophe
    +3
    17 February 2014 15: 29
    How many liberals have come running, it’s nice to see, but what will happen when he comes out? smile It's time for me to fork out, apparently.
  65. +2
    17 February 2014 15: 44
    Quote: smersh70
    Let a graduate of the Belarusian State University speak on this matter))

    Is “BSU graduate” a sign of knowledge and education?
    I talked with one of your famous graduates on the Internet - Alexander Usovsky, so stupidity and aplomb are rare. But he dared to write a book about the reasons for the start of the war. laughing
    1. smersh70
      -4
      17 February 2014 16: 16
      Quote: July
      Is “BSU graduate” a sign of knowledge and education?

      Well if you want YES!!!! I’m not interfering here in a dispute with Lopatov (by the way, I haven’t seen him for a long time) about artillery, or with two Alexas (super specialists) about aviation.
      Quote: July
      so stupidity and aplomb are rare. But I dared to write a book about the reasons for the start of the war

      It’s not for you to judge his stupidity. Even without knowing him, I can say that the reader votes with his ruble, he will write stupidity, no one will take his book, and if you want to know more about the initial part of the war, I recommend only documents from that time --- http: //bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ioni

      d=6&
      id=125&Itemid=30

      http://liewar.ru/tragediya-22-iyunya/131-nachalnyj-period-vojny-v-dokumentakh-vo
      ennoj-kontrrazvedki-22-iyunya-9-iyulya-1941-g.html
      1. 0
        17 February 2014 16: 44
        Having a diploma is not evidence of intelligence and education, it is only a document that a person studied and completed his studies. laughing
        And the reader (consumer) gladly pays for lampoons in which everything negative about the Soviet past is savored, even if it has nothing to do with reality and was clearly written to order without any application of brains. laughing
        And I have enough documents on the history of the Second World War, both negative and positive, but somehow my conscience does not allow me to elevate cowardice and slop to absolutes, which is what you are trying to do here in disguise. wink
        1. smersh70
          -2
          17 February 2014 17: 21
          Quote: July
          And the reader (consumer) gladly pays for libels

          What do you care about the reader? It’s his money and it’s up to him to decide
          Quote: July
          does this have anything to do with reality?

          This is what you think
          Quote: July
          but somehow my conscience does not allow me to elevate cowardice and shambles to absolutes, which is what you are trying to do here in disguise

          This is what you think winked
    2. alex1968
      0
      18 February 2014 12: 09
      Oh look, he's still alive! Uncle, I not only “dared” to write a “book about the reasons for the start of the war”, I have already published a dozen of them over the past six years, some can be read here/: http://www.litmir.net/a/?id= 28515
      People read them, argue with something, disagree with something - but at least they understand what is being said. Well, ignorant idiots like you, clown, have at least a stake on their heads. you, brother, are just...
      I appeal to those who take this “July” seriously - guys, this imbecile once foaming at the mouth claimed that the Red Army took Koenigsberg with the help of 160-mm mortars! I think this is enough to characterize the said character. Don't argue with him, he's just - by entering into a discussion with him, you risk sinking to his level!
  66. +1
    17 February 2014 16: 09
    Quote: Apostrophe
    And from what conclusions is such an interesting conclusion drawn?
    Or is it important to stain an unborn movie with such shit like Stalingrad?


    from the comments ;)

    but I like Stalingrad, a normal film for the money, and the first film from Russia in IMAX format - I don’t consider it as historical, there are books on that
  67. +1
    17 February 2014 16: 14
    Quote: smersh70
    we are considering the topic of the initial period, namely the realism of the picture about the Brest Fortress


    This is war - during it there is both dirt and exploits. But if the emphasis is constantly placed on the first thing (dirt), then is there any point in making a film about our country and its exploits?

    Dirt - anyone will read it in history books, in archives, etc., it doesn’t really have a place in films (at least some of it will still be shown, and they will do the right thing).
    1. +2
      17 February 2014 23: 58
      Quote: Bad
      This is war - during it there is both dirt and exploits. But if the emphasis is constantly placed on the first thing (dirt), then is there any point in making a film about our country and its exploits?

      Dirt - anyone will read it in history books, in archives, etc., it doesn’t really have a place in films (at least some of it will still be shown, and they will do the right thing).


      I agree. But with one amendment. Dirt is also history, just like exploits. And it must be shown. So that everyone understands the true price of exploits.
  68. Asan Ata
    +4
    17 February 2014 16: 17
    I personally will now rummage through the bottom of the barrel and send money. Why talk, we need to help people, they are doing the right thing. I hope our Kazakhs will support. hi
  69. klim44
    -8
    17 February 2014 16: 23
    In my opinion, at least for the national ones, at least for the state ones. they won't make the film money. All exploits, especially in war, are an attempt to hide the miscalculations of the command. Fictitious feats, and the feat of the 28 Panfilovites was fictitious (one of the “dead” heroes later became a policeman, one was still in Almaty at the time of its commission) do not paint the history of that war at all. Probably, apart from Matrosov and 28 Panfilov men, there are no more heroes.
    1. +3
      17 February 2014 16: 29
      Quote: klim44
      Fictitious feats, and the feat of the 28 Panfilovites was fictitious (one of the “dead” heroes later became a policeman, one was still in Almaty at the time of its commission) do not paint the history of that war at all. Probably, apart from Matrosov and 28 Panfilov men, there are no more heroes.

      Well done. keep it up !
      There are still plenty of internet heroes!
      Probably now a flurry of smart reasoning will follow with reinforced concrete evidence.

      Catch your honestly earned minus.
      Yes
      1. +2
        18 February 2014 00: 52
        Quote: Aleks tv
        There are still plenty of internet heroes!

        good
    2. 11111mail.ru
      -1
      17 February 2014 19: 52
      11635 Heroes of the Soviet Union, 2674 full holders of the Order of Glory.
      1. klim44
        0
        17 February 2014 20: 04
        Why not make a film about Pokryshkin? About Kozhedub? They are three times heroes, and heroes with a capital letter; moreover, other heroic pilots fought shoulder to shoulder with them. Or did they not deserve it? And many films about the war were made with people’s money, in the USSR everything was made officially with people’s money. And you couldn’t make better films than those. For a simple reason - these films were made by actors and directors, participants in the war.
        1. -12
          17 February 2014 20: 14
          Pokryshkin is a phony hero (like Kalashnikov, sorry Mikhail Timofeevich). Kozhedub, I agree!!! You NEED to film about him
          1. +3
            17 February 2014 20: 18
            Quote: Den 11
            Pokryshkin

            Further, I didn’t feel the need to quote your nonsense.
            Keep a weighty minus.
            1. -3
              17 February 2014 20: 30
              I already cited all his fights once. He was like Zhukov (butcher)! Yes, I don’t argue, at that time the country needed heroes
          2. 0
            18 February 2014 11: 35
            BUT FIRST, NOT POKRYSHKIN, but Alexander Ivanovich WE WILL RIP OFF HIS HEAD FOR HIM IN Novosibirsk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! am
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  70. +2
    17 February 2014 16: 29
    How can I transfer money to support the project? Who knows?
    1. +2
      17 February 2014 16: 33
      Quote: sergey1972
      How can I transfer money to support the project?

      Google to the rescue, Sergey.

      I listed here:
      http://28panfilovcev.com/payments.php
      I hope the moderators don't consider this an advertisement.
      hi
      1. +1
        17 February 2014 22: 36
        Thank you, Alex. I visited this site.
      2. 0
        17 February 2014 22: 36
        Thank you, Alex. I visited this site.
  71. Oleg1968
    0
    17 February 2014 16: 33
    I’ll help, I’ll wait and hope that there will be a film.
    I read the comments and am perplexed.....
    There is no need to speculate or speculate on anything: in 1941 the GREAT WAR began and in 1945 MY HOMELAND ended it in Berlin.
    P.S. And in the Far East it was finally stopped
  72. +2
    17 February 2014 16: 33
    Yes, she and Shakhnazarov butted heads even before filming... and then they reminded each other. Andron also wanted to “re-screen” “Tankman”. They would have made a better movie about the Raseiniai KV. THAT’S WHERE THE REAL HEROES ARE! And to be honest, I didn’t understand the movie about the crazy tankman. And the “tiger” was so clumsily made...
  73. +1
    17 February 2014 16: 39
    Quote: Bad
    Even the “Brest Fortress” was smeared with feces by commentators, like not everything is realistic.

    Have you lost your mind? If you make the war realistic on the screen, you will spend the entire film, sorry for the rudeness - blatantly - and your girls will lose consciousness from the amount of blood, severed limbs, etc.. It’s not for you to play games with “realistic” effects." If you want such realism, go to the hot spots and fight if you want more blood.

    Commercial cinema is always a show, this is what cinemas were created for, and in fact, it is thanks to such cinema that they exist. But war cinema is always an expense, and not a small one, and if it is not made commercial, then there will be plywood tanks driving around, the same faces of extras everywhere, etc. You yourself will be the first to start yelling - what kind of bullshit was they foisting on us?

    If you want real events, read books, or watch documentaries, although there are inconsistencies in them, because the vision of history can be different.



    Sorry, I was a little mistaken - not realistic, but historically accurate, that’s what I wanted to say. Previously, military consultants were involved in filming, and in some cases, direct participants in the events; there were fewer mistakes, but now it’s not interesting to watch, you just want to shout “I don’t believe it.” If I supported the filming of films financially, one of the conditions for the allocation of money would be the participation of military consultants in the filming, as they say, who pays the piper calls the tune.

    The whole question is that the authors of the film are not particularly counting on commercial success, but on the truth.
  74. +1
    17 February 2014 16: 53
    Quote: klim44
    fictitious feats, and the feat of 28 Panfilovtsev was fictitious (one of the “dead” heroes later became a policeman, one was still in Almaty at the time of its commission


    A liberoid will come along and start talking shit about something he doesn’t understand. It’s worse that Chaliepa himself is unconvincing, but the feat was in all its glory. And Kaprov confirms this. You need to be able to read and have certain knowledge, then everything will fall into place.
    1. -1
      17 February 2014 18: 52
      Actually, he is partly right about this; there is information about this in the memoirs of Marshal G. K. Zhukov, “Memories and Reflections.” The latest edition of Zhukov's daughter. This is just an invention of a war correspondent. Zhukov, in view of his tough temperament, even wanted to shoot him when everything was explained for this misinformation, but Comrade Stalin had already reported this to him. And they, involuntarily, began to embellish all this in their own way.
  75. 0
    17 February 2014 16: 53
    Well, at least they’ll film something decent, otherwise they’re just showing soap.
  76. +1
    17 February 2014 17: 19
    The film is a people's film, and even without the "terrible and nightmare enNKeVeDe" that shoots brilliant writers in batches, and the typical perestroika blurriness in the corners - it, one hopes, will happen - there will be something to think about and argue about. I wanted to say this - the Victors are leaving us, having crushed the most terrible enemy in all of human history... And they went on the attack for the Motherland, that is, for you and me, to whom now, and to everyone!!!, They have conveyed the highest Honor preserve and defend the Fatherland...
  77. +1
    17 February 2014 17: 33
    Quote: smersh70
    This is what you think winked

    You don’t even need to think, it just floats on the surface. wink
    1. smersh70
      +2
      18 February 2014 00: 51
      Quote: July
      it just floats on the surface.
      Well, you know better, because you probably understand what floats on the surface wink
  78. +4
    17 February 2014 18: 10
    Over the past 20 years, in my opinion, only “Brest Fortress” has been a properly made film about the Second World War, the rest is slag and vomit. It’s outrageous that N. Mikhalkov was included in the flag-bearing group of the Sochi Olympics, after all his “tired...”, on which he ate the money and licked the ass of the Oscar hosts. I hope there are still honest people left and, together with Andrei Shalopa, they will make the movie they promised. I helped a little on my own.
  79. 0
    17 February 2014 18: 34
    Well, what worthy can be filmed in this regard, if it is known from this myth that all the defenders died, there is only science fiction, there are no witnesses and eyewitnesses to these events. The result will be the same fantastic film as Rambo, or with the participation of Sergei Bezrukov. In August '41.
  80. 0
    17 February 2014 18: 45
    Quote: JonnyT
    Where will they go ???? In cinemas it may not be shown, at the direction of the gentlemen from the Ministry of Culture ..... this film will be counteracted at the very beginning ..... they will constantly try to frustrate or change everything ..... Now they show only tolerant with an admixture of liberal theses .....


    There are only a few state cinemas left, almost all cinemas belong to commercial structures, and if something happens, they won’t be given a hint from the Ministry of Culture, but by our “friends” from gay Europe and America, who will say so - show this, and to hell with renting normal films

    If you want real patriotic films, then distribute them like in China. There, the access of foreign films to the market is limited, and if they are allowed in, it is mainly those with Chinese in a good light in the roles. Or do you think why they put a Chinese in every blockbuster? Iron Man 3, Thor 2, etc. I was surprised they didn't put them in The Hobbit
  81. -8
    17 February 2014 19: 07
    And where is the movie “Heart of the Enemy” that I have been waiting for? What, are you pissing us to release it on the big screen? Are you afraid to show that the Hanses, for the MOST of them, were ordinary normal guys! You stinking creatures! They push us, but you don’t see! Sorry, forum members , this outburst to those who are higher
    1. ed65b
      +3
      17 February 2014 19: 24
      Quote: Den 11
      And where is the movie “Heart of the Enemy” that I have been waiting for? What, are you pissing us to release it on the big screen? Are you afraid to show that the Hanses, for the MOST of them, were ordinary normal guys! You stinking creatures! They push us, but you don’t see! Sorry, forum members , this outburst to those who are higher

      You know, dear, try to expand the thought. Otherwise it’s not clear at all....you hurt everyone with your post. about “simple guys” - of course they were “simple guys”, I won’t continue to list the exploits of “simple guys” in the vastness of our homeland, they are widely known to everyone. And expand the thought.
      1. -5
        17 February 2014 19: 32
        Yes, the idea, in fact, is simple --- they started making a film about Russian and German pilots, spent money, released a trailer --- As a result, some of the ministerial officials thought the film was too liberal --- that's it! And I VERY LOVE this film waited!!! Read the script
        1. -1
          17 February 2014 20: 03
          Why are the boys pissing to justify the disadvantages?
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          2. 7ydmco
            +2
            17 February 2014 23: 45
            Quote: Den 11
            Why are the boys pissing to justify the disadvantages?


            After such statements, it’s disgusting for me to communicate with you even via the Internet.
            1. -5
              17 February 2014 23: 53
              Do you want answers? Don’t get me started. Right now I’ll tell you about the no less terrible partisans. Do you want them? By the way, you can make out the characters
              1. +4
                18 February 2014 00: 55
                Quote: Den 11
                Do you want answers? Don’t get me started. Right now I’ll tell you about the no less terrible partisans. Do you want them? By the way, you can make out the characters

                Denis, you yourself provoked the “incident”.
                We're used to it laughing , and the new forum members fellow
        2. ed65b
          +1
          17 February 2014 21: 42
          Quote: Den 11
          Yes, the idea, in fact, is simple --- they started making a film about Russian and German pilots, spent money, released a trailer --- As a result, some of the ministerial officials thought the film was too liberal --- that's it! And I VERY LOVE this film waited!!! Read the script

          I understand now. otherwise it's a mess.
        3. smersh70
          +1
          17 February 2014 23: 11
          Quote: Den 11
          that's it! And I was REALLY looking forward to this film!!! Read the script
          Dan, who filmed it, is it really in Russia? The filming is just superb, and probably the script too. By the way, pay little attention to the disadvantages drinks
          1. 0
            17 February 2014 23: 24
            This is what Sanya found out about this film (Alex241)
            Country: Russia
            Director: Alexander Vysokovsky
            Script: Alexander Vysokovsky
            Starring: Andrey Chadov, Tatyana Arntgolts, Lyubomiras Laucevicius, Ilya Alekseev, Sergey Burunov, Dmitry Persin, Anton Khabarov, Dmitry Mulyar, Markus Kunze, Nikolai Kozak

            The film "Heart of the Enemy" tells the story of two talented pilots. One of them fought on the side of Germany, and the other was a Soviet pilot. Several years after the end of the war, they meet again, but now the opponents find themselves on the same side of the barricades. Military pilots have to unite to confront the impending danger.

            Eric Lipfert dreamed of becoming a pilot since childhood. He is in love with the sky and devoted to his Fatherland. When the war begins, he, like thousands of his peers, goes to the front. However, once there, Eric sees the true state of affairs. For a young soldier, the war reveals a terrible side, which is radically different from the usual patriotic pictures.



            There is an air battle, and Eric notices one Russian pilot who amazes him with his courage and incredible audacity. Despite the fact that Eric was already a recognized master of combat aerobatics by that time, he miraculously remains alive. But still, at the end of the battle he manages to shoot down a brave opponent. A Russian pilot ends up in German trenches. Driven by an understandable desire to see his opponent, Eric finds the Russian. He is surprised, because in the Russian pilot he saw the same boy who, like him, is in love with the sky and his homeland. This meeting between the two opponents was not the last.
    2. -3
      17 February 2014 20: 51
      And what was downvoted here? Didn’t you like the film’s trailer? Well, this film doesn’t exist, they didn’t release it on the big screen! Someone thought that the Hans were shown too humane
      1. ed65b
        0
        17 February 2014 21: 42
        Search on torrent.
        1. 0
          17 February 2014 21: 49
          Edik, there is no him. NO!!! They banned him. If you want, we’ll fight with you, if you don’t find him! If you find him, I’m ready to post him (give me the card number and I’ll transfer it)
    3. 7ydmco
      +3
      17 February 2014 23: 47
      Quote: Den 11
      Are you afraid to show that the Hans, for the MOST of them, were ordinary normal guys!
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    5. 7ydmco
      +2
      17 February 2014 23: 50
      Quote: Den 11
      Are you afraid to show that the Hans, for the MOST of them, were ordinary normal guys!
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      1. -4
        18 February 2014 00: 01
        Suchara, we’ve been spoiling these photos on the resource for a long time! Do you think one such “advanced” one was found on the site? You’re wrong - if you want, the guys will throw you a bunch of photos right now (I’m the first)
  82. +2
    17 February 2014 19: 13
    Quote: renics
    Actually, he is partly right about this; there is information about this in the memoirs of Marshal G. K. Zhukov, “Memories and Reflections.” Latest edition by Zhukov's daughter.


    Firstly, there is nothing like that there. Moreover, all the fuss with denying the feat of 28 Panfilov’s men is aimed at discrediting Zhukov.

    He has been in disgrace since '46, Kaprov's interrogation in 1947. And from there this nonsense came out, that there was no heroic deed, and that Zhukov supposedly misled the party and the government. They collected a lot of dirt on him, this is one of them. But regarding this compromising evidence, Zhdanov said that it was not worth a damn, since it was a feat.

    And secondly, the new edition of Zhukov’s memoirs is already the memoirs of Zhukov’s daughter.
  83. +2
    17 February 2014 19: 32
    Initially, the authors of the film (in 2009) decided to seek financial assistance for the implementation of the project from government agencies - the Presidential Patriotic Cinema Support Fund and even personally from the President of the Russian Federation, who at that time was Dmitry Medvedev. However, as it turned out, both the foundation and the president were indifferent to the filming of the film based on the script by Andrei Shalopa.

    Of course, there might not be enough for a new iPhone.
  84. +3
    17 February 2014 19: 58
    From the Internet, already published on VO:

    "On July 7, 2011, Komsomolskaya Pravda published an interview with the director of this archive, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Sergei Mironenko, under the general heading" Secrets of the State Archive ", who, answering the correspondent's questions, shamelessly laughed at the memory of the defenders of the capital, calling the feat of twenty-eight heroes The Panfilovites were a myth, claiming that "there were no heroically fallen Panfilov heroes", referring to the fact that after the war "one by one people began to appear who were supposed to lie in the grave."



    The historian Mironenko felt a kick in the ass and collapsed to the frozen bottom of the trench. Still not believing what was happening, he got up and looked up. On the edge of the trench in a semicircle were soldiers of the Red Army.

    - This is the last? - clarified one of the military, apparently the commander.

    “That's right, comrade political instructor!” - the soldier reported, whose kick sent the director of the State Archive to the trench.

    - Excuse me, what's going on? The historian muttered.

    “How is it going?” - grinned the political instructor. - The establishment of historical justice. Now you, Mironenko, will save Moscow from the Nazi invaders.

    Politruk pointed to a field on which several dozen German tanks froze in anticipation. Tankers climbed onto the towers and, shivering from the cold, watched with interest what was happening at Russian positions.

    - I? Why me? - Mironenko asked in shock. “What do I have to do with this?”

    “The most direct,” answered the political instructor. - All of you here have the most direct relation to this!

    The commander pointed Mironenko to the trench and the historian saw that it was full of respected people: there were already academician Pivovarov and his nephew-journalist, Svanidze was sitting by the machine gun with bulging eyes, next to him was the main de-regulator Fedotov, who was trembling from the cold, or from horror , further there were still familiar faces, but the frightened archivist completely forgot their names.

    “What are we all doing here?” - asked Mironenko. - This is not our era.

    The soldiers laughed together. Not only Russians but also Germans laughed, and even the recently killed German tanker, trying to maintain decency and pretending not to hear anything, nevertheless, shuddered with laughter.

    - Yes? - the political instructor was surprised. “But you all tell in such detail in detail how it really was!” You explain with foam at the mouth that we threw Hitler with corpses. It’s you shouting that the people won the war, not the commanders, and especially not Stalin. You explain this to everyone that Soviet heroes are a myth! You yourself, Mironenko, told us that we were a myth!

    - Excuse me, are you political instructor Klochkov? - asked Mironenko.

    “Exactly,” the commander answered. - And these are my fighters who are destined to lay their heads in this battle at the Dubosekovo junction! But you, Mironenko, assured that everything was wrong, that all these heroes were a propaganda myth! And you know what we decided? We decided to really be a myth. And to defend Moscow to trust trusted and reliable people. In particular, to you!

    - And you? The historian asked quietly.

    “And we are in the rear,” one of the fighters answered. - The guys and I were thinking to die for our homeland, for Stalin, but since we are a myth, why should we substitute bullets for nothing! Fight for yourself!

    “Hey Russians, how long have you been?” - shouted the shy German tankman.

    “Now, Hans, now,” the political instructor waved to him. - You see, Mironenko, time does not endure. It is time for you to defend your homeland.
    1. +2
      17 February 2014 20: 01
      Continued:

      Then academician Pivovarov jumped out of the trench and rushed briskly towards the Germans with raised hands. In his hands he held white pants, which he was actively waving.

      “What a shame,” one of the fighters said.

      “Don’t worry,” Klochkov chuckled. - This is not our shame!

      Two German tankers caught Pivovarov and dragged him by the arms to the trench, dropping him down.

      “Schweine,” the German swore, looking at his overalls. “This hero of yours has pissed me off my leg with fear!”

      The second tankman shot Panfilov’s people to smoke and, drawing out, said:

      - Yes, comrades, you're out of luck! And for these here you were dying! Really in our Vaterland same have grown?

      “No, comrade,” one of the Panfilov responded to him. “You now have none.” Only gays and Turks.

      - And who are gays? - the German specified.

      A Red Army soldier whispered an answer to the aggressor in his ear. The face of the German was flooded with shame. Waving his hand, he went to the tank.

      “Let's quickly end with us,” he said. “I want to die from such things again.”

      Svanidze rushed from the trench to the political instructor.

      - Comrade commander, you misunderstood me, I didn’t say anything like that! And then, I can’t, I have a “white ticket”, I have poor eyesight and an ulcer!

      Politruk confidentially leaned towards Svanidze:
      - Do you think the tyrant Stalin was worried? He bombarded the enemy with cannon fodder! And even more so, I'm not your commander. You have your own - experienced and proven! Here he comes!

      From the depths of the trench Nikita Mikhalkov came to the place of conversation, holding a shovel from his hand.

      - Comrade political instructor, how can this be fought against tanks? - the director begged.

      “You know better,” the commander answered. “You already did this.” Yes, by the way, your beds are there. You can quickly establish anti-tank defense from them! Well, or pray, or something. Maybe help!

      Then the political instructor ordered the construction of his fighters.

      - Where are you going? - Mikhalkov asked with a longing in his voice.

      - Where to? - the political instructor grinned. - Take a position in your rear! The NKVD detachment is not at hand, so we ourselves will replace it! And if some scum from your penal battalion rushes out of position, we will shoot on the spot for cowardice and treason!

      - So there are no penal battles yet!

      - One created. Especially for you!

      German tanks roared engines. Desperate screams and swearing were heard in the trench - the new defenders of Moscow found out who was the first to expose the myths and dragged them into this story. Fedotov was beaten all together, after which he was thrown out of the trench under a German tank with a bottle. Someone shouted goodbye to him:

      - Well, for the Motherland, for Stalin!

      Mikhalkov clung to the outgoing political officer:

      - Comrade, my father fought, I was always a patriot and defender of heroes, help me!

      “Only out of respect for you,” the political instructor answered. - I give a great tool to fight the enemy! As good as it gets!

      And the commander handed the director a badminton racket and three shuttlecocks.

      “Farewell, your homeland will not forget you,” Mikhalkov, the political instructor, patted goodbye and rushed after his departing fighters ...
  85. 0
    17 February 2014 20: 05
    Here is an excerpt from one book, correctly noted before the siege -officials and prostitutes, ryasophores and petty journalists ran away
  86. polkownik1
    0
    17 February 2014 20: 52
    I really don’t want to get tired of computer-generated special effects. Let there be earth, fire, tanks and real people! It is very necessary for the boys to discuss the actions of the heroes, and not the skills of film computer scientists...
    1. waisson
      +1
      17 February 2014 21: 09
      I hope it will be a live movie and not STALINGRAD-2
  87. +1
    17 February 2014 21: 07
    Quote: Den 11
    Why are the boys pissing to justify the disadvantages?



    I put a minus. Using the great art of cinema, you can also film a cheap love story of two homosexuals on opposite sides of the Maidan barricades, and after the death of the first at the hands of bloodthirsty Berkut soldiers, the latter deserts from the army and finds his love among the Tatar militia of Crimea. Happy End. You will even cry over the script, but it will no longer be our film.
    And it’s right that the “Heart of the Enemy” was removed, our grandfathers tore their throats, there were no knights among them, and this pilot took pleasure in shooting peaceful columns of refugees. You can downvote in response
    1. -4
      17 February 2014 21: 13
      I won’t even enter into a debate with you. Some homosexuals have been brought here. Be smarter and express yourself to the point
    2. +3
      17 February 2014 21: 24
      Quote: repytw
      Using the great art of cinema, you can also film a cheap love story of two homosexuals on opposite sides of the Maidan barricades, and after the death of the first at the hands of bloodthirsty Berkut soldiers, the latter deserts from the army and finds his love among the Tatar militia of Crimea. Happy End.

      What are you!
      This is just a pilot episode! laughing
    3. 0
      17 February 2014 21: 44
      You can also film a cheap love story of two homosexuals on opposite sides of the Maidan barricades, and after the death of the first at the hands of the bloodthirsty Berkut soldiers, the latter deserts from the army and finds his love among the Tatar militia of Crimea. Happy End. You will even cry over the script, but it will no longer be our film.
      Even reading about a movie after stumbling upon a word
      fagots
      I will stop and most of my friends and acquaintances are not much different from me in this laughing
      1. -3
        17 February 2014 22: 02
        Psssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss]] over on over from I'm interested in other people like Galland, Mölders, Manstein
        1. -1
          18 February 2014 00: 03
          and Rem was gay
          1. -3
            18 February 2014 00: 23
            Are you so interested in this question? I don’t give a damn about these... How did Rem end his life? Remind me. And we’ll deal with you the same way
  88. +1
    17 February 2014 21: 29
    Liberal culture has distorted real culture! There aren't enough patriotic films! Hollywood never tires of turning Americans into super patriots, saviors of humanity! As Vereshchagin said - “It’s a shame for the State!”
  89. +1
    17 February 2014 21: 38
    Well, on the one hand, it’s convincing (computer tanks crawling in silence, of course, are a little off-putting, but if the idea is correct, then that’s not the point). not to trust without meeting a person in person and without knowing where he lives... In the middle, 3 thousand rubles (for example) is not such a big amount (with my official salary of 5 rubles), many of my friends can for one Spending that kind of money on a party (although 20 good cartridges or a German “oven” as a gift for my nephew for his birthday is also an argument), but I don’t mind this exact amount, for some it’s not enough, for others it’s a lot, it’s a waste of money... laughing
  90. 0
    17 February 2014 21: 48
    Quote: Den 11
    I won’t even enter into a debate with you. Some homosexuals have been brought here. Be smarter and express yourself to the point



    I showed by example that you can whitewash anything. But essentially, a film in which you feel sorry for the enemies and you can see people among them, this is not our way, because the enemies are destroyed, and the Germans in the Second World War were worse than the enemies, there were no people among them, read history.
    1. -5
      17 February 2014 22: 08
      Is this what you’re telling me? I understand the Second World War much better than you! And don’t send me to textbooks, try to figure it out yourself without emotions!
      1. +4
        17 February 2014 23: 57
        I didn’t put any downsides, but I justified it about the Germans. So, you suggest that I understand the Germans, they say they were normal boys... I should understand these boys who shot my grandfather’s legs, and then rotted him in a camp (a field fenced with wire) near Millerovo , does it mean to look at this whole thing without emotions? I highly recommend watching the film “Biochemistry of Betrayal”, maybe it will clear your mind.
      2. smersh70
        0
        18 February 2014 00: 55
        Quote: Den 11
        I understand WWII much better than you
        Dan, let’s also throw in a couple of topics with Ilyich that are closed about the Second World War. After all, as you say, they are eavesdropping and spying on us)))))))) So Ilyich suggests about the panic of ’41.
        1. +2
          18 February 2014 01: 01
          Quote: smersh70
          Here Ilyich suggests about the panic of '41.

          Yeah ... laughing
          The minuses took a low start pose wassat
          1. smersh70
            +1
            18 February 2014 01: 11
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            ha...
            The minuses took a low start pose
            Well, we'll all be in red, so what... laughing but the truth is above all!!!!!!
            1. +2
              18 February 2014 01: 21
              Quote: smersh70
              but the truth is above all!!!!!!

              Knowledge is power soldier
              You can suffer for the truth laughing
              1. 0
                18 February 2014 01: 25
                By the way, Ilyich, I was too embarrassed to ask you - do you have the IS-3 on your avatar? Where is it?
                1. +2
                  18 February 2014 01: 29
                  Quote: Den 11
                  Do you have an IS-3 on your avatar? Where is it located?

                  There is a handsome man in Arkhangelsk. Installed 3 years ago. True, the paint is ugly... But still handsome.
                  1. +1
                    18 February 2014 01: 33
                    You're practically a fellow countryman! Komi Republic
                    1. +2
                      18 February 2014 01: 38
                      Quote: Den 11
                      You're practically a fellow countryman! Komi Republic

                      Well then laughing
  91. +2
    17 February 2014 22: 28
    Quote: repytw
    in which you feel sorry for your enemies and you can see people among them


    Well, among a mangy flock, there may be a healthy sheep. And the enemies must be shown as cruel, smart, brave, strong in order to show the greatness of our soldier’s feat (there will be no honor in defeating weaklings).
  92. 0
    17 February 2014 22: 48
    Good evening, dear author of the article.
    I read the comments and my heart rejoices! I see that people have been sick of all the Western TERMINATOR-REMBES, which they took only due to novelty and special effects, without having any truth behind them (after all, there is strength in it, as the hero of Danila Bodrov said) or any idea based on faith and true love for his homeland to his origins...
    What’s even more pleasing is that the film is being made with people’s money, the people themselves are filming what they consider correct (I can give an analogy with the Nizhny Novgorod veche in troubled times, when the people, having gathered strength and means, pushed Pshekov out of our capital!).

    I consider the following to be an example of films about a real war:
    "State Border"
    "Secret Fairway"
    "Shield and Sword"
    "Brest Fortress"
    "I am a Russian soldier"
    "War is like war"
    and of course, “Only old men go into battle.”

    Alexey, tell me how I can help make the film? Perhaps indicate your current account, I would like to help such good (if not holy) intentions.
    Thanks in advance for your reply.
  93. 0
    17 February 2014 23: 23
    I’ll support (Clever Guy). Blah blah blah I’ve heard a lot in my life... and on different topics. It turned out to be zilch.
    good idea though...
  94. Lime
    0
    17 February 2014 23: 29
    One noticeable spoiler is that the actors are too perfectly shaven, not according to the realities of the war...
    1. 0
      17 February 2014 23: 59
      Have you been to war to know those realities? maybe the battalion commander drilled them, or maybe they were washed and clean before the last battle according to Russian tradition. It seems to me that many “realities” are now being invented in our heads......
    2. 0
      18 February 2014 00: 16
      Yes, just in reality, they are finally more or less smoked by the warlaughing and don’t sparkle with polished mugs from the screen...
    3. +1
      18 February 2014 03: 32
      My father went through the entire war from the first day, and even when surrounded, they tried to take care of themselves so as not to turn into ragamuffins and not get lice. Those who lost their razors tried to seize them from the Germans (they brought a captured Solinger from the front).
      And they shoot movies in such a way that there are several episodes in one day, and if in one he was shaved clean, then in an hour he won’t grow stubble unless makeup is applied.
  95. +2
    18 February 2014 01: 00
    Quote: Lime
    One noticeable spoiler is that the actors are too perfectly shaven, not according to the realities of the war...

    As my grandfather told me (and he reached Berlin), they were forced to maintain hygiene at every possible opportunity, they cut their hair, washed and, if possible, shaved with whatever God gave them. It was he who, when I was a kid, told me about the benefits of personal hygiene using this example. According to Western stereotypes, our grandfathers soldiers should not be considered dirty.
    1. 0
      20 February 2014 14: 03
      As my grandfather told me (and he reached Berlin), they were forced to maintain hygiene at every possible opportunity, they cut their hair, washed and if possible shaved with whatever God provides.

      I confirm. My father said the same thing.

      There were, of course, days when there was no such possibilities.
  96. 0
    18 February 2014 01: 31
    It would be nice to have something like Soviet films, otherwise I’m tired of chewing gum.
  97. 0
    18 February 2014 01: 59
    The author of the publication is honored plus. True, I was a little surprised that the author did not provide a link to the site and the “in contact” page where you can make your personal contribution to this good cause.

    The director and author of the idea seems to be a very adequate and quite creative person. I sincerely hope that everything will work out for him and his team as it should.

    There were a lot of Russian films about that war listed here. One of my favorites and just about the defense of Moscow:
    "At your doorstep" (1963)
    Directed by Vasily Ordynsky.
    Link on Kinopoisk:
    http://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/42481/

    There are almost no particularly spectacular “game” scenes in it, and there are not many words. But. in my opinion, the atmosphere and some external “simplicity” of a soldier’s feat are conveyed very well.
    My best recommendations from an old movie buff.


    ZY
    In my journal and face book, as well as on one of the forums that I moderate, there has been information about this undertaking for a day now. feel
    1. 0
      18 February 2014 02: 44
      Sorry, I didn't notice the link to the site. feel
  98. 0
    18 February 2014 05: 34
    I know that they will downvote, because... I’ll write about my impressions of the American film “The Hurt Locker,” which I finally watched... But this is exactly what a patriotic movie should be - no love lines (especially a la Bondarchuk), no political analyzes of the situation. Just a story about the heroism of one of the soldiers. This movie is about a sapper who cleared almost 800 bombs in Iraq. They gave the film an Oscar, EMNIP.

    So if our filmmakers finally make a movie about people who defended their Motherland (without politics, without the role of the party or government, without incomprehensible love stories), then they will watch it without coercion, as was the case with the creations of the “tired” Mikhalkov or Bondarchuk. And the film will have every chance of becoming truly popular, along with 17 Moments.

    PS Why don’t we see films about the heroism of Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan?! Moreover, there is probably something to talk about. And again, without politics, without reasoning why that war began, without love stories, etc.
  99. 0
    18 February 2014 07: 52
    The main thing is that there is enough money to make a film, and if there is not enough, the whole world will chip in! Let them ask us to help (personally, I will do this) Yes
  100. +2
    18 February 2014 09: 42
    We cry: - children don’t know their history, we only have ourselves to blame for this, why do we allow the pro-Western elite to openly lie in “such the most important of arts as cinema”. LADY plays with an iPhone, Mikhalkov with people’s feelings - well, to some extent time? Come to your senses guys, you've been playing too much! It's time to make a real movie, there is too much unexplained material on the Great Patriotic War: border battles, the defense of Moscow, battles in the Baltic states, Rzhev and Vyazma, the defense of Kiev, Sevastopol, etc. If we continue to play along The West, simply.... youth, and then they will not forgive us for this.