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Federal Republic of Ukraine ...

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It is not possible to harness Yanukovich with Yatsenyuk and Klitschko in one cart, and even with a friend, their neo-Nazi Tyagnibok. What is allowed? Removal from the real power of Yanukovich, and the formation of a "pro-European" government, on the advice of US Vice President Joe Biden, is also not possible, this will lead to the closure of the credit line by Moscow, with very serious consequences for any Ukrainian government. Political deadlock.




Maydannaya schizophrenia in the center of Kiev can continue indefinitely, interested people will find the money for this, but the question of the power of euromaidan cannot be solved. In this situation, the Ukrainian authorities 14 February release all detained “protesting” Bandera, and Dmitry Yarosh, leader of the “Right Sector”, confirms that all the “hostages” are released, and generously agrees to unblock Grushevsky street.

That's what Yanukovych will do after 17 in February, when the amnesty law expires, if neo-Nazis do not fulfill all its provisions? Or put forward any requirements? If you turn to stories, we again see the policy of appeasing the fascists, once also appeasing Hitler, and today Dmitry Yarosh. However, it is known that history has never taught anyone anything ...

From the current deadlock, Yanukovych had two choices.

1. The suppression of the Maidan, which went beyond the whole democratic and just legal framework, turned into a Bandera neo-Nazi, but such a legal decision would complicate relations with the West, which continues its historical tradition of supporting any of its “sons of bitches”. Yanukovych would have been declared a “dictator”, but he would have won the position, kept the current Ukraine, it would be a kind of version of “early Putin,” but Yanukovych is not Putin.

2. The search for a compromise, even with neo-Nazis, as we see. This option, at best, will end with the transition of Ukraine to a federal structure. The third option - “small civil war” is still unlikely, for external reasons, because its consequences are undesirable for most European countries, and the United States cannot do anything about it.

Refusing to suppress the Bandera mutiny, Yanukovych himself put an end to the unitary system of Ukraine. De facto, Ukraine is already a federation, since parallel, semi-fascist power structures have already been created in Galicia. Now it will be difficult to do anything with them.

MP from the Party of Regions Vadim Kolesnichenko has long said that Ukraine should become a federation in order to relieve tensions between different, difficultly compatible regions. Today, in the Crimea, in the south-east and in the center of Ukraine, self-defense units of the Ukrainian front are already being formed in opposition to the “national guard” units of Galicia. The process has gone, time has been missed when it could be stopped.

Andrei Vorobyov, the envoy of the Russian Embassy in Ukraine, drew attention to this: "I am sure that, regardless of political wishes, the country is developing in the direction of the federation. Will this be fixed by the constitution, or Ukraine will continue to be a unitary state, but now it is unofficially a federation. And the consolidation of the constitution is only a question of the agreements of the Ukrainian political elites. "

However, this business is unlikely to be entrusted only to Ukrainian elites. Apparently, Russia and Germany will also be engaged in this business.

New German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said in an interview during a recent visit to Moscow: "Time does not stand still - neither in Germany nor in Russia. Serious conflicts and crises came closer to us. However, my principle remains unchanged the conviction: Russia cannot do without Russia. ”

This means that Joe Biden and Victoria Nuland, with Ambassador Payette and the idea of ​​a “pro-European anti-Russian government,” can be free, and the European Union and Catherine Ashton have already been sent to distant places.

In the end, nothing terrible will happen in Ukraine: Germany is a federation, and this does not in the least interfere with its democracy.
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  1. Oleg56.ru
    Oleg56.ru 17 February 2014 08: 10
    +18
    Hands off Ukraine, banderlog!
    1. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. 17 February 2014 08: 27
      +10
      .... nothing bad will happen in Ukraine: Germany is a federation, and this does not interfere with its democracy ....

      Ukraine is not Germany, and even more so it has thousands of kilometers of border with Russia. The beginning of the division of Ukraine into a federation is numerous reasons for mutual claims and, as a result, an armed confrontation ... And we do not need a war in Russia ... Ukraine now needs "soft" power but with firm hands and a cold (sober) head ...
      SLAVEN OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE !!!
      1. Denis
        Denis 17 February 2014 08: 35
        +19
        Quote: Vladimir.z.
        Ukraine now needs "soft" power, but with firm hands and a cold (sober) head ...
        1. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 17 February 2014 10: 02
          +7
          Comrades! Maybe not the topic, but you should see, interesting:
      2. Petrol
        Petrol 17 February 2014 12: 59
        +6
        "SLAVS OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE !!!" There are no Slovenes on the western outskirts! the latter were crushed in thalerhof! "they" (western outskirts) - differs in anthropological features (red, dark, stunted, bow-legged - like ordinary Turks) speech with breath like Germans and Uzbeks ... in Volyn Rivne, speech with soft vowel sounds like Romans and Maldavan have instead of everything mustache and so on ... there are a lot of examples .... so why demand the impossible from the Turks (fishermen) - they cannot become Slovenes!
        1. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 17 February 2014 20: 02
          +5
          Quote: Benzin
          . in Volyn Rivne women, speech with soft vowels like the Romans Rumun and Maldavan instead of everything sounds mustache and so on ... a lot of examples .... therefore, what is impossible to demand from the Turks (fishermen) - they won’t be able to become words!

          Galicians are genetic Dacians - there was such a state Dacia defeated and conquered by Rome, its population was Latinized (Romance) - Romanians and Moldavians went from here, and the northern part of this side went to the Slavs, the language became Russian, but with its phonetic features, plus a long stay under Austrian Germans - hence the aspiration - the Turkic trace in German phonetics. By the way, in the Ukrainian language there are a lot of words with German root words, for example, Craida (chalk) and words from Hebrew. Galicians are not Slavs, but a Slavic-speaking people who have neither cultural nor genetic affinity with the Russian people (to which the Little Russian subethnos belongs).
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 20: 47
            +4
            Quote: Skif-2
            By the way, in the Ukrainian language there are a lot of words with German root words, for example, Craida (chalk) and Hebrew words

            Forgot to add the similarity of sound and meaning English. the verb may and Ukrainian Mav laughing
      3. Arhj
        Arhj 17 February 2014 16: 06
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir.z.
        .... nothing bad will happen in Ukraine: Germany is a federation, and this does not interfere with its democracy ....

        I think nothing will happen with federalization in Ukraine. The regions will be made subjects of the federation, the facade has been changed, and the system will remain the same. Consider the grass around the parade ground painted, but for some reason spring has not come
        1. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 17 February 2014 20: 15
          +3
          Quote: Arhj
          I think nothing will happen with federalization in Ukraine.

          And I think that now it is simply inevitable in one form or another. And the alignment of political forces after all this orgy will radically change, whatever the outcome. On the example of Ukraine, we see that the whole meaning and goal of liberal reforms is banal fascism, this is exactly the "New World Order" to which we have been led for the last quarter of a century, and the reaction of the Russian people to it is ONE-VALUE, at the genetic level.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 20: 52
            +3
            Quote: Skif-2
            And I think that now it is simply inevitable in one form or another.

            The problem is not in possible forms, but in the technical side of the divorce process - when a wife and husband come to mutual hatred, things are more serious instead of pans ... Judging by the picture from Kiev, at least the maydaunas are ready to go not just to the end, and much further ...
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      5. siberalt
        siberalt 17 February 2014 20: 51
        +2
        Federalization on what basis? In Germany, federalization has evolved historically through the unification of lands into a single federal state - the Deutschland. We have, basically, on the basis of nationality. Although with Belarus and Little Russia, shoals turned out (this was demanded by the international situation). Before "federating" (and, in fact, splitting), order is needed in the state.
        1. Akim
          Akim 17 February 2014 21: 02
          0
          Quote: siberalt
          In Germany, federalization took shape historically by combining lands into a single federal state - Deutschland.

          And Ukraine, too, historically united, but being part of the Russian Empire, and then the USSR, this was not so painful.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 17 February 2014 23: 10
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            And Ukraine, too, historically united, but being part of the Russian Empire

            That's it, RI and the USSR UNITED Ukraine.
            The processes taking place now within Ukraine itself - DISCONNECTS.
            1. Akim
              Akim 17 February 2014 23: 29
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              The processes taking place now within Ukraine itself - DISCONNECT.

              Therefore, we need a federation. Or do you think the western regions in Ukraine went to her peacefully? There, too, the NKVD burned fel with a hot iron.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 17 February 2014 23: 44
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                Or do you think the western regions in Ukraine went to her peacefully? There, too, the NKVD burned fel with a hot iron.

                You did not forget that I graduated from school in the Ukrainian SSR?
                In the 1954 year, my paternal grandmother came to Stanislavskaya (now Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast). So, the precinct who had to be noted must have lived in a concrete bunker of an unfinished UR ...
                And according to the stories of my grandmother, "some PADLYUKA fired all night from a machine gun (machine gun?)
                The grave of writer Yaroslav Galan, who was slaughtered by nationalists
                at the door of this "dwelling" ...

                This is how the state authorities lived and worked.

                And now it’s going to the same ...
                1. Akim
                  Akim 17 February 2014 23: 57
                  -3
                  Quote: Corsair
                  And now it’s going to the same ...

                  I do not agree, although it is possible to finish badly before that. Exactly to finish badly, because many of these "radicals" grew up on computer games.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 18 February 2014 05: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: Akim
                    I do not agree, although you can play it out before.
                    You still Naively do you think you haven't "played out"?
                    And is it not the grandson (great-grandson) of the "precinct officer from the bunker" who is being beaten on the Maidan?

                    Policemen kicked / twitter.com/ChristopherJM
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 18 February 2014 07: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Corsair
                      Do you still naively believe that you have not "played out"?

                      They felt their impunity because of the completed amnesties, and so they become impudent, but on the other side, patience is also not iron. Now, near Kiev, BTSs have stolen MCHsnikov. A command will be given - these tractors will break the barricades in 5 minutes. And when it comes to serious showdowns, they will run away, as it was on Grushevsky, during counterattacks.
    2. AVV
      AVV 18 February 2014 15: 36
      0
      Quote: Oleg56.ru
      Hands off Ukraine, banderlog!

      Banderlog, hands off the den !!!
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 17 February 2014 08: 15
    +8
    After default, let's see what happens.
    1. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 17 February 2014 10: 04
      +4
      FRUKT will be, as the author of the article predicts to us, and not only he, but many "political scientists", or rather boltologists. In general, they teach the people that a decision is inevitable. Yes, in principle, the people, thanks to these matters, are already ripe for such a decision.
      Yes, and public opinion is now much easier to probe, the Internet after all in almost every house. So, the time for certain operations is not chosen from the ceiling. An analysis of sensing the opinions of the population does such a bunch of analytical communities, so do not be afraid, comrade, if they promise it means it will be so.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 17 February 2014 10: 05
      +9
      and what to watch? default - it won’t lead to anything good, it’s already been said that the West will not give money, however, the opposition, with the stubbornness of donkeys, counts on their money, here again, Yatsenyuk and Klitschko go to visit Merkel (there’s nothing to solve with Tyagnibok) but I don’t think that they will receive them, most likely they will be offered to come to an agreement with Moscow, in any case, Steinmeier voiced the position of Germany that there is no way without Russia. So it is possible to predict an approximate alignment, as it is not sad for them, the opposition has no special choice. they got it completely. Yes, by the way, great news related to my beloved Crimea:
      State-owned Avtodor is starting to prepare design documentation for a bridge across the Kerch Strait. For this, a joint Russian-Ukrainian venture will be created by the end of March. The new bridge will cross the Black Sea and shorten the route from Russia to Crimea by 450 kilometers.

      "The bridge is a rather complex structure. Plus, it is quite large - 4,5 kilometers. The ground there is difficult, and the construction will pass through the sea. Besides the bridge, there are problems with the Ukrainian part of the railway, because it has not been repaired for a long time, it has not electrified and single-track in many places. Therefore, in an amicable way it will also have to be reconstructed. "


      Another "cookie" from the bloody dichtator Putin
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 10: 35
        +5
        Quote: seller trucks
        The West will not give money, however, the opposition, with the stubbornness of donkeys, counts on their money, here again, Yatsenyuk and Klitschko go to visit Merkel (with Tyagnibok there seems to be nothing to solve), but I don’t think that they will receive them

        This has been repeatedly stated and continues to be stated by J.M. Barroso. And only Ashton, together with Nuland, "blow in the ears" of the three from the casket "The West will help you."
        After the default is announced, Moscow will not be able to ANYONE in Kiev to give money (the promised tranche) on the occasion of the political crisis, the lack of real power in the field.
        There is only one conclusion - Moscow, when consulting Berlin (but not Brussels), will "point the finger" at the one who deserves to receive Russian money, i.e. will appoint a clerk in the Ukrainian shop.
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 17 February 2014 10: 57
          +2
          "Abroad will help us" I have already heard this somewhere ...
  3. dimarm74
    dimarm74 17 February 2014 08: 16
    +11
    We hope that after the Olympics, Russia and our president will have a clear plan of action, how to put in place all of these freaks with nuland at the head. All the same, the war with Georgia demonstrated that V.V. Putin is not Eltzin ... and he is able to put Mr. Kov in his place.
    1. smel
      smel 17 February 2014 08: 26
      +9
      There is a plan for a long time ... And it works ... It remains to wait a bit
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 17 February 2014 08: 47
        +5
        So, more on that ...
        1. avt
          avt 17 February 2014 09: 50
          +12
          Quote: smel
          There is a plan for a long time ...
          And they smoke him. Already from the year 91, an advanced joint by inheritance.
          Quote: gecko
          So, more on that ...

          Is that him for the FSKN protocol? laughing
  4. dimarm74
    dimarm74 17 February 2014 08: 18
    +3
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1767219.html Хорошая кстати статья про Украину, многое объясняет, в том числе поведение Януковича
    1. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. 17 February 2014 08: 38
      +3
      Quote: dimarm74
      ... By the way, a good article about Ukraine ...


      The alarmist article, since so far nothing has been lost expressed in boxing terminology, got a knockdown, but it’s not a knockout when they take it out of the ring ... (they gave it to the brain to better understand ...)
      1. RussianRu
        RussianRu 17 February 2014 09: 57
        0
        The alarmist article, since so far nothing has been lost expressed in boxing terminology, got a knockdown, but it’s not a knockout when they take it out of the ring ... (they gave it to the brain to better understand ...)

        Comparison at the level of "finger and pip". If we talk about knockdown, then the knockdown is such that without the help of "pills" you can't recover.
        1. Vladimir.z.
          Vladimir.z. 17 February 2014 13: 40
          -1
          Quote: Russian
          Comparison at the level of "finger-to-pip" ...


          For those who are accustomed to measuring all pipiski with their fingers - they don’t understand how the knockdown differs from the knockout ... hi
          1. RussianRu
            RussianRu 17 February 2014 16: 11
            0
            For those who are used to measuring all pipiski with their fingers, they don’t understand how the knockdown differs from the knockout ... hi

            You have to be careful. They didn’t say anything about the knockout. And for amateur boxers, I’ll explain that after a good knockdown you can be conscious and not be friends with brains. In your case, it is.
            1. Vladimir.z.
              Vladimir.z. 17 February 2014 21: 51
              +1
              This is your diagnosis ...
              Quote: Russian
              ... conscious, but not friends with brains ...


              And for me it’s better to be an amateur boxer than a preoccupied professional pipiscomer - whoever says something hurts (you started piping up) And if your scribbler by Sigmond Freud is sorted out .... but this is a topic for a medical forum hi
              And I also didn’t poke you, even in online communication decent people observe etiquette and restrain their emotions hi
              1. RussianRu
                RussianRu 18 February 2014 09: 21
                0
                For Freud, YOU are still one. In essence, you don’t know how to conduct a conversation.
                What are you rushing from side to side. I answered yours
                - Do not understand how a knockdown differs from a knockout ...
                And you dragged Freud.
                Your other
                And I also didn’t poke you, even in online communication decent people observe etiquette and restrain their emotions
                You outdid my poking with your
                .... than a preoccupied professional piper

                Brother, YOU at least do not do what you are ashamed of. Before you write an answer, take a deep breath. Good luck.
                1. Vladimir.z.
                  Vladimir.z. 18 February 2014 10: 37
                  0
                  YOU
                  Quote: Russian
                  .. the instance is still that ...


                  ... this is a clinical case ... medicine probably will not help .... one hope for moderators.
  5. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 17 February 2014 08: 34
    +5
    Why federation? As there was no state of Ukraine on the map, it will not. East and south are part of the Federation, but Russian. And Galicia? That hi take her hto wish!
    1. Onizuka teacher
      Onizuka teacher 17 February 2014 08: 43
      .
      First, find out how many% of Ukrainians want to go to Russia.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 08: 54
        +13
        Quote: Teacher Onizuka
        First, find out how many% of Ukrainians want to go to Russia.

        Did you find out yourself?
        1. Onizuka teacher
          Onizuka teacher 17 February 2014 08: 58
          .
          Yes, a familiar product is transported to Europe, namely to Germany through Ukraine. How many says he did not ask the Ukrainians all for peace and independence, they definitely do not want to go to Russia.
          1. Riperbahn
            Riperbahn 17 February 2014 09: 05
            +6
            Probably in Lemberg asked?
          2. lukke
            lukke 17 February 2014 09: 20
            +10
            a familiar product is transported to Europe, namely to Germany through Ukraine
            Does it work on a truck? and the survey was conducted among the shoulder, who could not leave for Poland and Russia? or among Ukrainian customs officers? they definitely don’t want to leave the feeding trough
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          4. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 09: 26
            +17
            Quote: Teacher Onizuka
            Yes, a familiar product carries to Europe

            Quote: Teacher Onizuka
            . How many says he did not ask the Ukrainians all for peace and independence, they definitely do not want to go to Russia.

            Well, this is an impenetrable argument, especially since it says your friend drove laughing
            1. ed65b
              ed65b 17 February 2014 10: 15
              +11
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Teacher Onizuka
              Yes, a familiar product carries to Europe

              Quote: Teacher Onizuka
              . How many says he did not ask the Ukrainians all for peace and independence, they definitely do not want to go to Russia.

              Well, this is an impenetrable argument, especially since it says your friend drove laughing

              Especially from Kazakhstan, but I have 20 km to the border and the Ukrainian village through a forest with a field, completely different survey results. laughing
          5. Tersky
            Tersky 17 February 2014 10: 13
            +8
            Quote: Teacher Onizuka
            Yes, a familiar product is transported to Europe, namely to Germany through Ukraine.

            More familiar did not tell anything for the night from the series "grandma said for two"?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 10: 38
              +8
              Quote: Tersky
              More familiar didn’t tell anything at night?

              Can familiar ? laughing And it somehow smells wassat
          6. Zhaman-Urus
            Zhaman-Urus 17 February 2014 11: 45
            +18
            Teacher Your acquaintances shock me: That Kazakh melee from Temirtau who was offended by evil orysy and whose name you didn’t bother to name me (a resident of Temirtau)) Now, a long-range sociologist! What further shy to ask? Putana geologist or Pole Russophile? Burn on, wait!
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 17 February 2014 15: 29
              +3
              Now a long-range sociologist!

              + + + + + + + + + good
            2. Onizuka teacher
              Onizuka teacher 17 February 2014 19: 33
              -5
              Quote: Zhaman-Urus
              Teacher Your acquaintances shock me: That Kazakh melee from Temirtau who was offended by evil orysy and whose name you didn’t bother to name me (a resident of Temirtau)) Now, a long-range sociologist!

              Studied at school with him in Temirtau. I live in Zhezkazgan, Tlek is his name, he lives in Alma-Ata. I think that says a lot to you. And the fact that I have many friends, you do not envy.
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        3. Firebox
          Firebox 17 February 2014 14: 42
          .
          58% of people want independence for joining the European Union
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 17 February 2014 15: 04
            +5
            Quote: FireBox
            58% of people want independence for joining the European Union


            The European Union cannot be seen by Ukraine as "its ears", but after the association with the EU, in a couple of years, the same 58% will want to at least leave the association and at least join the CU and the EurAsEC, or even to Russia itself.
          2. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 17 February 2014 15: 18
            +4
            Quote: FireBox
            58% of people want independence for joining the European Union

            My subjective opinion. For the EU,% 10, for joining Russia it may be 10-15. This is for joining.
            And for a vehicle somewhere around 70 against 10-20 EU. Moreover, in the West. If they have a little more for the EU, then slightly. Except Kiev. There are probably different.
            Audited statistics depend on who owns the resource. Wishful thinking is valid. So this is even further from reality than my opinion.
          3. Bizzz
            Bizzz 17 February 2014 16: 32
            +2
            Here is straight 58% ?? smile Where does this information come from?
          4. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... 17 February 2014 22: 20
            +4
            Quote: FireBox
            58% of people want independence for joining the European Union


            Where does the figure come from? From the records on the walls of the KMDA? ... Do not insult the people of Ukraine! Well, it must be wooden to the full, so as not to see what is happening in countries that have already signed the agreement! Just don’t blame Poland, it was licked on special order, like a picture for blurring your eyes!
            Or is it, again, from a series of a trucker-sociologist? laughing
      2. ars_pro
        ars_pro 17 February 2014 15: 08
        +3
        A lot of respected, a lot, with a tacit poll of the population, 70% would vote for joining the CU
      3. old rocket man
        old rocket man 18 February 2014 00: 22
        +1
        Quote: Onizuka's teacher
        First, find out how many% of Ukrainians want to go to Russia.

        Would you like to know? laughing
    2. Algor73
      Algor73 17 February 2014 17: 02
      -1
      ... "Why the federation? As there was no state of Ukraine on the map, it will never be. The East and the South are part of the Federation, but the Russian one. And Galicia? Take it for yourself."
      The bear is still sleeping in the den, and you have already divided the skin. And you can somehow establish friendly relations in a different way, if by outright anti-propaganda, without calling for violence and seizure of land? But what about "Guys, let's live together?" Or should I grab more, but fatter? And "Teacher Onizuka" for some reason unanimously minus. And he's right. Flip through polls in the east, south, and west. With such statements as yours, the percentage of distrust in you (as a representative of the Great People) will only grow.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 17 February 2014 21: 01
        0
        There will be a referendum believe polls. And he will be. It’s not long to wait.
  6. makarov
    makarov 17 February 2014 08: 44
    +2
    Yanek hopes for a miracle. In my opinion, Russia has already turned its back on him, considering it a loser. Maybe the situation in the near future will somehow resolve itself?
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 17 February 2014 09: 00
      +7
      They consider him a loser not only in the Russian Federation, but Russia cannot turn away from him because, sadly, if you simply refuse Yanukovych without offering anyone in return, it will only get worse.
      1. haron
        haron 17 February 2014 09: 24
        +1
        Quote: Arhj
        He is considered a loser not only in the Russian Federation,

        I agree completely.
        The problem for Russia is the absence of an adequate Ukrainian politician with significant authority among the people who could correctly and tactfully pursue pro-Russian politics (although now there are no authorities in politics for Ukrainians).

        IMHO, here Russia can agree with Germany (by including several key Ukrainian figures in the negotiations) and find a compromise in the person of a person who has not stained himself with either Maidan or Yanyk.
        The main thing is to put on the side of the nulanditsa.
        I am sure that unlike the United States, Europe and Russia need a stable Ukraine - if they agree the rest are technical details.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 17 February 2014 11: 34
          +4
          Quote: haron
          I am sure that in contrast to the United States, Europe and Russia need a stable Ukraine - if they agree the rest are technical details


          there is nothing to negotiate with Europe as long as it includes political prostitutes in the person of Poland, the Baltic states and other nedomerki, Russia needs friendship and understanding with Germany, and this is excuse me, a terrible dream, for progressive universal people.
        2. ultra
          ultra 17 February 2014 12: 39
          +1
          Quote: haron
          IMHO here Russia can agree with Germany

          Germany is an occupied country, with limited sovereignty and accordingly limited freedom of action in foreign policy! hi
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 09: 06
      +6
      Quote: makarov
      Maybe the situation in the near future will somehow resolve itself?

      Only banderlogs reproduce themselves laughing
      1. Arhj
        Arhj 17 February 2014 16: 12
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Only banderlogs reproduce themselves

        Well yes - division and budding. wink
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 17 February 2014 13: 14
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      Maybe the situation in the near future will somehow resolve itself?

      Yanyk has already screwed everything up. On the "Maidan" there are not just Baderists. There has already been formed (but?) An alternative state fascist structure, perhaps, in general, an alternative government. With its own Gestapo, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other units. While Yanyk is calving , these "amusing" are seriously preparing to take into their own hands all the power and start "caruvania" the country. And if the government stumbles a little, we will all wake up one fine morning in ukroreikh with the Fuhrer at the head. and only a blind man does not see this. I get the impression that the Yanyk administration is playing "giveaway" with the maydanuts, after all, it is clear that the rebels are not going to fulfill any of the clauses of the agreement with the authorities. Given that the authorities fulfilled their part of the obligations, they released of all the detained banditov.Fakticheskoe, the authorities protect the maydanutyh and indulge them. Why don't I know?
      1. housekeeper
        housekeeper 17 February 2014 14: 55
        +3
        In fact, the authorities protect the Maydan and indulge them. Why, I don’t know?

        Or maybe for all this shobla to creep out into the light and relax, believing in his own impunity. And then her slipper like a cockroach smile How do you like this option?
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 17 February 2014 15: 56
          0
          Quote: little house
          And then her slipper, like a cockroach. How do you like this option?

          I will answer with a quote from Stanislavsky: "I DO NOT BELIEVE!"
        2. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... 17 February 2014 22: 45
          +1
          Let your words be to God’s ears! ... sad if....
  7. Hariva
    Hariva 17 February 2014 08: 44
    +4
    In the east they say: If you can’t stop the decay period, head it!
    What actually Yanukovych does.
  8. santush
    santush 17 February 2014 09: 12
    +3
    Indeed, Yanukovych did not justify the high confidence placed in him. There is nothing to flirt with the Nazis, they must be toughly stopped! And sent to x..EC and the USA, as Lukashenko does! Only with Russia !!!!!!!!
  9. 31231
    31231 17 February 2014 09: 20
    +1
    Personally, I see one way out. Default
    1. Fin
      Fin 17 February 2014 09: 46
      +5
      Quote: 31231
      Personally, I see one way out. Default

      Yes, this is probably the only way out for everyone to understand what they are in .... And then there is a lot of talk about "independence" with a bare ass, it's time to really look at things.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 09: 51
        +1
        Quote: Fin
        Personally, I see one way out. Default
        Yes, this is probably the only way

        Guardian announced the date - 01.03.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      2. haron
        haron 17 February 2014 10: 01
        +5
        Quote: Fin
        so that everyone understands what they are ....

        There are doubts that Ukrainians are aware of the real picture.
        They will begin to blame each other. Yanukovych and the regions will dump everything on the Maidan. Maidan with a trinity all blame on Yanukovych.
        We will see "Vsramsya but not" in full glory.
        Although the default will hit the current government the most, the salaries and debts they need to pay.
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 17 February 2014 10: 28
          +8
          Quote: haron
          They will begin to blame each other. Yanukovych and the regions will dump everything on the Maidan. Maidan with a trinity all blame on Yanukovych.

          and then both of them will be blamed for everything out of habit.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 17 February 2014 14: 29
            +4
            Quote: RBLip
            and then both of them will be blamed for everything out of habit.


            I don’t think, the first tranche from Russia, the debt to state employees was repaid, but there really is nowhere to take money, only Russia offers, it needs to be a complete nerd that would give us a hand in the army. But there is a second point, what to give? Is it not the GTS?
            1. housekeeper
              housekeeper 17 February 2014 14: 59
              +3
              But there is a second point, what to give? Is it not the GTS?
              And in late autumn, a delegation led by Rogozin drove through the industrial enterprises of the South-East of Ukraine. What is it for?
              1. seller trucks
                seller trucks 17 February 2014 16: 18
                +4
                Quote: little house
                And in late autumn, a delegation led by Rogozin drove through the industrial enterprises of the South-East of Ukraine. What is it for?


                with this just everything is clear: design bureau Antonovo, Yuzhmash, Nikolaev shipyards, these are all prospects for a possible future, "sucked" already.
        2. Arhj
          Arhj 17 February 2014 16: 19
          +1
          Quote: haron
          There are doubts that Ukrainians are aware of the real picture.

          Ukrainians will not be envied now. All of them are well aware, but they just don’t believe anyone. In fact, a civil war is already underway, one spark is enough and ...
          In Ukraine, the situation is like in a fairy tale: "If you go to the right you will lose your horse, to the left ..."
        3. old rocket man
          old rocket man 18 February 2014 00: 30
          +1
          Quote: haron
          There are doubts that Ukrainians are aware of the real picture.
          They will begin to blame each other. Yanukovych and the regions will dump everything on the Maidan. Maidan with a trinity all blame on Yanukovych.
          We will see "Vsramsya but not coming" in full glory


          Most likely they will begin to blame everything on Russia
  10. mountain
    mountain 17 February 2014 09: 21
    +1
    It seems that what kind of Ukraine will be decided by hard workers from the east under our management and assistance. It is not we, not the imperialists, who can send troops, cannot openly. I hope for a different outcome.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 17 February 2014 13: 28
      0
      Quote: mountain
      It seems that what kind of Ukraine will be decided by hard workers from the east under our management and assistance.

      I'm afraid that I will drink Borjomi later. The aggressive Bandera minority insolently imposes its will on all of Ukraine with powerful media and financial support from the West (as well as from the current government of Ukraine). After all, there was information that the representative of the PR oligarch and Jew Kolomoisky financially supports " Freedom of "Nazi Tyagnibok. Left-wing parties could become a barrier, an obstacle to the Nazis in Ukraine, but the current government is constantly trying to ban them, close and restrict them, not to mention any support. There is no support from outside these parties either, it is clear, that the oligarchs under no circumstances will support the left-wing fascist movement closer to them in spirit. Well, who and whom will support and help? And when will this support and help begin?
      1. infinite silence ...
        infinite silence ... 17 February 2014 22: 59
        +3
        Quote: revnagan
        fascists are closer to them in spirit


        History did not hold back who flew financially with fascism ... Hugo Boss (sewed uniforms for SS, SA, Hitler Youth and Wehrmacht), Siemens (Siemens AG participated in the production of V-1 and V-2 missiles, and also developed crematorium projects for concentration camps Auschwitz-Birkenau), Bayer (had a hand in the production of Cyclone B - a chemical compound used in the gas chambers of death camps) ... I think it makes no sense to list more ... Power is money ... Hand in hand.
    2. zzz
      zzz 17 February 2014 14: 45
      +4
      Quote: mountain
      It seems that what kind of Ukraine will be decided by hard workers from the east under our management and assistance. It is not we, not the imperialists, who can send troops, cannot openly. I hope for a different outcome.


      I feel sorry for Eastern Ukraine !!! Namely, that hard workers, kind, sympathetic and decent people with a huge sense of humor, never whimpering. And again, a heavy burden will fall on their shoulders!
  11. Sharingan
    Sharingan 17 February 2014 09: 21
    0
    Well, okay. First, the federation, then the autonomy of the eastern regions, and then Russian passports, and then ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 February 2014 09: 59
      +1
      Quote: Sharingan
      Federation first

      Academician Tolochko spoke for the federalization of Ukraine
      Tolochko focused on the fact that he has long supported the idea of ​​federalizing the state-territorial structure of Ukraine. At the same time, the scientist notes, the basis for such a division is not to take the current administrative basis, but the historical regionalization of the country: the Dnieper, Sivershchina, Volyn, Slobozhanshchina, Galichina, New Russia, Donbass, Tavria, etc.

      “Nowadays, this idea already has many supporters, but is also not perceived by the powers that be. And all because of the same fear of separatism. The references to the fact that in such a device a large part of the world lives, including the West, where our political elite is irresistibly striving for, do not find understanding both among the opposition and the authorities, ”the academician said.
      xxxxx
      And about the need to hold a referendum ... Yanukovych said for the FIRST TIME that he was not against it, only now it was "untimely". It will be very timely to hold it in the spring, in May, for example. Now the Olympics will end, while we will fight in the Rada, and then we will agree on a referendum ...
      1. Hug
        Hug 17 February 2014 11: 17
        +9
        Re. Fidget:
        Academician Tolochko spoke for the federalization of Ukraine

        Petr Petrovich Tolochko recalled the poem on how to lead the country:

        The law of politics is simple,
        So that everything is in order
        Iron your hand,
        But in a velvet glove.

        We have a twist so far,
        In the village and the capital.
        Powerless hand everywhere
        In an iron gauntlet ...
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 11: 29
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        Academician Tolochko spoke for the federalization of Ukraine

        Elena, what will change the system changes in the economy? The only thing is that the opposition will gain more power by taking it from Yanukovych. The impression is that federalization is such a salvation for Ukraine. The joke is that it will not give ordinary residents anything. Question for what are we fighting for?
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 17 February 2014 11: 56
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The question is what are we fighting for?

          In my opinion - a brilliant answer is given in the article
          Oligarchic revolution

          The sincere desire of many Euromaidanites to live better was directed against them by the greedy political strategists themselves. Because the country has become much worse after protests, we see the exchange rate on the interbank market, the desire for federalization, the loss of strength in trading with Western and Eastern partners, and a sharp decline in confidence in the country. If there were no protests in its current form, then the standard of living would have increased by 2015 by at least 50%, thanks to agreements concluded for $ 15 billion in Russian investments, $ 30 billion in Chinese and European investments. The events of recent months can hardly leave anyone indifferent - the intensity of political confrontation has reached such a level that the sovereignty and integrity of Ukraine are in real danger. In pursuit of the ghostly status of a “Euro-associated state”, Ukrainian society was on the verge of a civil war .... We will separately try to assess the prospects of the most protesting western regions, which, if federalized, will end up on a starvation diet. Federalization will adversely affect Western Ukraine - this is undeniable. I will read the extract from the State budget so that we know who pays to whom. The budget of the Ternopil region earns UAH 243 million, and subsidies from the state budget are provided - UAH 985 million. What is there to comment on? Ivano-Frankivsk region earns UAH 630 million, and UAH 063 million - an equalization subsidy from the state budget. Lviv region - earns 341, 938 million UAH, and receives 776, 532 billion UAH from the state budget. These subsidies include reduced fare payments, allowances for children, and more. Donetsk region earns UAH 878, 243 billion, and government payments amount to UAH 1, 358 billion. Only Donetsk and its okrug, giving back three quarters of earnings, feeds three western regions. Will the West help Western Ukraine? I think the question is rhetorical .....
          Read more here .... http: //www.vremia.ua/rubrics/zakulisa/5402.php
          1. romrem
            romrem 17 February 2014 16: 09
            -4
            Where did I take such a left info, whom is Donetsk committing there ??? Donetsk gives to the budget about 8 billion UAH. , and gets 17,5bn. UAH.
            1. zzz
              zzz 17 February 2014 16: 44
              +1
              Quote: romrem
              Where did I take such a left info, whom is Donetsk committing there ??? Donetsk gives to the budget about 8 billion UAH. , and gets 17,5bn. UAH.


              And who feeds whom? Maybe you tell us?
              1. postman
                postman 17 February 2014 16: 51
                +2
                Quote: zzz
                And who feeds whom? Maybe you tell us?

                1. Not Donetsk, that's for sure!
                coal mining in Donbass does not bring profit to the budget - rental payments are not levied due to the unprofitable industry. On the contrary, the state annually spends 12-14 billion UAH to support coal miners, mainly compensating for the difference between the selling price of coal and its cost.
                2.for net of imports, Ukraine is essentially "fed" by three regions: Kharkov, producing oil and gas, Dnepropetrovsk, where iron ore is mined, and especially Poltava, in which mining is developed, and that, and the other, and the third.
                (Poltava region also is a leader value added generation -VAT)
                tax authorities especially favor Donbass. For the studied half-year to the state budget from Donetsk region 6,7 billion UAH of value added tax was received, and 8,7 billion UAH was reimbursed. This is an absolute record for all regions.

                3. Besides these three areas, "plus" in the first half of the year worked only Sumy, Cherkassk and Lviv, and at Rivne income and expenses are almost equal.

                ==========
                Here so
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                2. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 18: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: Postman
                  coal mining in Donbass does not bring profit to the budget - rental payments are not levied due to the loss-making of the industry. On the contrary, the state spends UAH 12-14 billion annually to support coal miners, mainly compensating for the difference between the price of coal sold and its cost.

                  Coal, like gas and oil, is a strategic raw material for Ukraine.
                  This imbalance is for the domestic market. And if the Donetsk people change the price?
                  Quote: Postman
                  Excluding imports, Ukraine is essentially "fed" by three regions: Kharkov region, which produces oil and gas, Dnepropetrovsk region, where iron ore is mined, and especially Poltava region, where the extraction of both is developed, and the third.

                  Is this not a problem in the case of the division of Ukraine into Eastern and Western?
                  1. postman
                    postman 18 February 2014 12: 33
                    0
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    And if the Donetsk people change the price?

                    Where? UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    1. In the domestic market, coal will be bought in Kuzbass, South Korea, England or elsewhere
                    2.On the outside ?? This is not funny. If you have acquaintances in Kemerovo, call, they will describe the "situation" .... the crisis is deepest, for 1,5 years

                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Is this not a problem in the case of the division of Ukraine into Eastern and Western?


                    The problem lies in history - Austro-Hungarian Empire, Österreich-Ungarn

                    + Someone (we will not say who, but these countries / associations have asterisks and stripes on the flags) -Interested in this
                    / Russia is just interested in INTEGRITY, whatever they say (write) here /
                3. Egoza
                  Egoza 18 February 2014 00: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: Postman
                  Here so

                  Why didn’t you finish the rest?
                  At the same time, per capita donation of Donbass is less than in some western regions - such, for example, as Transcarpathian, Ternopol, Volyn and Ivano-Frankivsk. However, only in the last region the negative balance is due to significant subsidies covering the loss-making of local budgets. The remaining three were at the end of the list due to the large number of budget organizations - the main volume of payments from the state budget is made up of appropriations for protected items, for example, salaries.

                  Very specific indicators in Kiev. On the one hand, the city generates about 40% of state budget revenues (excluding customs), since it is here that many Ukrainian enterprises are registered and pay taxes. On the other hand, subventions and subsidies for fulfilling the functions of the capital, targeted payments for the construction of the metro, bridges and roads, as well as allocations to numerous budget organizations more than cover revenues and turn Kiev into the most subsidized region out of the twenty-six considered.

                  over the past two decades, most of the financial assistance from the center has been systematically invested in the development of agriculture and tourism - this has helped the country a lot when the state oil sector was on the verge of crisis several years ago.

                  In Ukraine, everything happens exactly the opposite. With rare exceptions, the amount of subsidies is determined not by structural projects, but by momentary political conditions. A simple example: according to Oleg Ustenko, when his fund conducted a similar study in 2010, the results were completely different: subsidies from the state budget per capita were minimal in the eastern regions. And the maximum - in the western, except perhaps Lviv. Source: http://censor.net.ua/r268512
                  1. postman
                    postman 18 February 2014 12: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Egoza
                    Why didn’t you finish the rest?

                    It was (remember) who is "feeding" WHOM !!
                    But not who is more, in terms of per capita
                    Donetsk is not a donor !!
                    And according to the VAT refund, the "Donetsk" are swindlers close to the "body of the emperor"
                    Quote: Egoza
                    Very specific indicators in Kiev.

                    Highly!!
                    On myself, "I know." Lesya Ukrainka and the mayor of Kiev have not paid for the trams supplied by PTMZ for 3 years, they probably will not pay ...


                    Quote: Egoza
                    In Ukraine, everything happens exactly the opposite.

                    in the article that you are quoting is written correctly:

                    Over the past 20 years, such projects have been discussed dozens of times in BP. However, not one of them even reached the second reading. Which is not surprising. Indeed, when funds move first from the region, and then to the region, one can always make good money on such a “movement”. In addition, such a “movement” is a good tool for additional control of the regions by the center.

                    But there is nothing surprising here, as an example:
                    Chechnya and the rest of the Caucasus .. we
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 18 February 2014 05: 22
              0
              Quote: romrem
              Donetsk gives to the budget about 8 billion UAH. , but gets 17,5bn. UAH.
              17,5 lard. UAH WHERE come from? Galicia has robbed?
          2. postman
            postman 17 February 2014 16: 48
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            Only Donetsk and its okrug, giving back three quarters of earnings, feeds three western regions.


            For the first six months of 2013, Donetsk the region received from the state budget 9,2 billion UAH of appropriations, subsidies and subventions more than it paid. The result - 25th place in the overall ranking of twenty-six. Only payments to the budget accounted for only Kiev - more than 11 billion (26th place).
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      4. siberalt
        siberalt 17 February 2014 21: 13
        +2
        A referendum in May? No "Berkut" will be enough to guard the polling station. It can be announced in May, but not earlier than autumn. And not to dissolve the government, placing full responsibility on it. And before that, put in elementary order and debate, debate, at all levels. Something Klitschko was afraid to go to the debate with Yanuca. It is on this weakness that they must be pressed.
  12. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 17 February 2014 09: 33
    +11
    Ukraine resembles the unfortunate giraffe Marcus ... he also ended up in Europe, and then: they chopped a jackal into a head and chopped it into pieces ... so the Ukrainian brothers do not go to the geyropa, don’t ....
  13. AnaBat
    AnaBat 17 February 2014 09: 48
    +1
    The Kiev parrot sings the anthem of Ukraine and the slogans from the Maidan!

    http://kiev.segodnya.ua/kpeople/kievskiy-popugay-poet-gimn-ukrainy-i-lozungi-s-m
    aydana-496078.html
  14. Mviktor
    Mviktor 17 February 2014 09: 48
    +10
    Quote: Onizuka's teacher
    Yes, a familiar product is transported to Europe, namely to Germany through Ukraine. How many says he did not ask the Ukrainians all for peace and independence, they definitely do not want to go to Russia.


    your acquaintance asked not the people of Ukraine, but the traders, but as the history of traders shows, you can’t let politics into it - they will sell it at a reasonable price
  15. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 17 February 2014 10: 00
    +8
    Quote: Onizuka's teacher
    First, find out how many% of Ukrainians want to go to Russia.

    We find out when they will not pay pensions and salaries.
    1. officer29
      officer29 17 February 2014 13: 36
      +3
      I won’t say it all over Ukraine, but the overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of Donbass, Slobozhanshchina and Crimea are only FOR joining Russia! For Independence, only a few whose business is not related to Russia!
      1. Akim
        Akim 17 February 2014 13: 43
        -3
        Quote: officer29
        For the whole of Ukraine I will not say

        As in the song: I won’t tell you for all of Odessa.
        And I can appeal to you that Donbass does not want to be part of Russia. For closer and closer economic relations - Yes, but the spoons on the plate, that would be different.
        1. zzz
          zzz 17 February 2014 16: 08
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          And I can appeal to you that Donbass does not want to be part of Russia


          And you asked him, Donbass? Not the ghouls who are in power, namely the people? That's when the referendum is held, then everything will be clear. And unfoundedly appeal all the masters.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 17 February 2014 21: 30
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          And I can appeal to you that Donbass does not want to be part of Russia.
          Akim, do I need to repeat that you and I have different "sociology"? And different sources of its obtaining ...

          Moreover, do you think the events in Kiev and Galicia affected the mood of the Donbass?
          I suppose there are contacts with a wide stratum of people whose desire for reunification with Russia has intensified many times, as well as the number of these very people and sympathizers with them ...
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 February 2014 21: 45
            -2
            Quote: Corsair
            Moreover, do you think the events in Kiev and Galicia affected the mood of the Donbass?

            Therefore, I say that now is not the time of federalization, referenda, elections.
            You have a layer, I have a job, the more you communicate with a small variety of social services. groups. My friend, on the other hand, occupies a good position in the Donetsk mobile company, and they conducted surveys of many. As for statistics, it really can be different.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 17 February 2014 21: 54
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              My friend, on the other hand, occupies a good position in the Donetsk mobile company, and they conducted surveys of many.
              Could you elaborate on the name of the mobile operator and the date of the survey so that I can make sure of what is written on my channels?
              1. Akim
                Akim 17 February 2014 22: 36
                -3
                Quote: Corsair
                name of mobile operator and date of survey

                Ukrtelecom, but I don’t know the date of the survey and the figures for the sake of evidence in the dispute. I won’t call him. Nekhai in Russia believe that everyone in Donetsk only sleeps and sees themselves in Russia.
                The generation of my bathy - definitely.
                My generation is much less so.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 17 February 2014 22: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  Ukrtelecom
                  Ukrtelecom, which is rapidly losing its telephone network subscribers. Until recently, it was a state monopoly in terms of providing Internet access. After a miserable semblance of privatization, with which the government rushed like a "baggage", the state of affairs did not improve.

                  The services of this company are used by state institutions (landline telephony) and private individuals who need a landline telephone.
                  But the quality of the services is disgusting, as is the state of the networks and equipment.

                  So there is no need to talk about the reliability of the "social cut". NOT THE "COVERAGE OF THE AUDIENCE" ...

                  PS:To be honest, I thought I would refer to mobile operators ...
                  But they did not conduct surveys.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 17 February 2014 22: 58
                    -4
                    Quote: Corsair
                    Ukrtelecom, rapidly losing its telephone network subscribers

                    Tell me, who is the authority for you, since you are running around everyone? Without even knowing that Ukrtelecom has mobile communications and there are several units.
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                    2. Corsair
                      Corsair 18 February 2014 03: 01
                      0
                      Quote: Akim
                      Tell me, who is the authority for you, since you are running around everyone? Without even knowing that Ukrtelecom has mobile communications and there are several units.

                      And how not to "crumple" the data you provide, if they do not correspond to reality, to put it mildly ...
                      Talking about the RELIABILITY of the "social poll" from "Ukrtelecom" is simply ridiculous !!!
                      The mobile communications market in Ukraine is one of the youngest and most progressive, moreover, dynamically developing. Today, there are actually three leading mobile operators in Ukraine: Kyivstar (with Beeline), MTS, and Astelit (Life).
                      As of February 2012, the mobile communications market was distributed as follows: Kyivstar - 25 million subscribers, MTS - 16,5 million, Astelit (Life) - 12,2 million, to the share of other mobile operators (Telesystems Ukraine "," Ukrtelecom "," Intertelecom ", ITC," Velton Telecom ", etc.). accounts for 1,1 million. In percentage terms, it looks like this: Kyivstar - 45,6% of subscribers, MTS - 30,1%, Astelit (Life) - 22,3%, the share of other mobile operators ( "Telesystems of Ukraine", "Ukrtelecom", "Intertelecom", ITC, "Velton Telecom" and others) account for 2%.


                      You Akim, once again trying to "feed" those present at VO infu that does not correspond to reality and COMFORTABLE TO YOU.

                      СWHAT the "reliability of the survey" will be taken if Ukrtelecom, together with several other operators, occupy ONLY 2 (TWO)% of the Ukrainian communications market.
                      Please take into account that we are talking about the east of the country, where this "tsyfir" is even smaller.

                      http://koloro.com.ua/blog/brending-i-marketing.html
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 18 February 2014 07: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Please take into account that we are talking about the east of the country, where this "tsyfir" is even smaller.

                        Well, if you want, consider it. I'm not interested in arguing with you. Sociologists, too, do not interview the entire population of Ukraine to obtain results, and at the same time they make little mistakes.
                      2. Corsair
                        Corsair 18 February 2014 07: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        I'm not interested in arguing with you.
                        All the more so when your comments, apparently claiming to be 100% authentic, are "sewn with white thread, on a rotten canvas" ...


                        (Well, or part of them)
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 18 February 2014 07: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Especially when your comments, apparently claiming to be 100% reliable

                        No, you just need to read how the Russians and the lackeys-residents, pour mud on the mud and pass their words at face value. I am not interested in reading sites, looking for the truth, which is not a priori. You have such a hobby - success! I express not only a subjective opinion, but also the opinion of certain groups that simply can’t easily read comments on Russian sites, and if they break into here, it’s already on emotions with obscenities and they will be banned. And there are much more of those than those who are suckingly living in Ukraine and they are on their knees asking them to be included in Russia.
                      4. Corsair
                        Corsair 18 February 2014 07: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        И there are much morethan those who are suckingly living in Ukraine and they are on their knees asking them to be a part of Russia.

                        And their "color" on the Maidan ...
                      5. Akim
                        Akim 18 February 2014 08: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        And their "color" on the Maidan ...

                        After your and similar comments, he himself has a desire to go to the Maidan, if he did not know that the Maidan is evil.
      2. zzz
        zzz 17 February 2014 22: 38
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        Quote: Akim
        My friend, on the other hand, occupies a good position in the Donetsk mobile company, and they conducted surveys of many.
        Could you elaborate on the name of the mobile operator and the date of the survey so that I can make sure of what is written on my channels?


        That's literally 2 minutes ago, who asked for? everything does not fit here, but copied a little:
        1. zzz
          zzz 17 February 2014 22: 40
          +1
          Quote: zzz
          That's literally 2 minutes ago, who asked for? everything does not fit here, but copied a little:

          of course for
          Lyubov Kirilenko (Sotnikova)
          FOR AND FOR AGAIN
          Larisa Stepanova (Pozdnyakova)
          behind
          Elena Galitskaya
          WITHOUT Doubt, THIS IS PUTIN'S DREAM TO CREATE A NEW STATE UNDER THE NAME "RUS", WHERE THE SLAVIC PEOPLES OF THE FORMER USSR WILL ENTER, HE SAID IT HIMSELF: -D
          just Borisych
          by!
          Galina Tsekhmistrova
          BEHIND!!!
          Olesya Kardash (Zelinskaya)
          FOR
          Valentina Radchuk (Lukashevich)
          There would be a referendum on where to join, perhaps there were no such consequences ... as now.
          Valentina Alekseeva (Pikalova)
          ONLY FOR AND MY FAMILY FOR 12 PEOPLE,
          Edita Shelest
          Behind!!!
          Oksana Oksana
          90% of the population (Y) (Y) (Y)
          Alexander Lubyansky
          I created a separate topic. Who can go there for the reunion?
          Alexey Serdyuk
          why argue that? flip through the news in our group, there was a lower poll on this topic - more than 90 percent FOR)
          Claudia Lavrentieva (Emikova)
          I DO NOT TIRED TO REPEAT. WHAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IS TWO HANDS FOR RUSSIA. FOR THE CUSTOMS UNION. (Y) (Y) (Y)
          Lilia Lyapina
          According
          Tanya Glazunova (GARJUK)
          Once again For
          Elena Dotsenko (Sochnova)
          FOR PRO FOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          Irina Popovtseva Chernozhukova
          FOR
          Vitaliy Nikitenko
          Behind!
          Alexander Kruchinenko
          behind
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 18 February 2014 00: 42
    0
    Quote: Akim
    that Donbass does not want to be part of Russia. For closer and closer economic relations - Yes, but the spoons on the plate, that would be different.

    Yeah, you have water and cabbage for borscht, and we have meat and everything else, and a tablespoon to you, and us a teaspoon.
    And so that the meat itself jumped into the mouth, like Patsyuk on the night before Christmas. laughing
    1. Akim
      Akim 18 February 2014 00: 55
      -1
      Quote: Old Rocketman
      Yeah, you have water and cabbage for borscht, and we have meat and everything else, and a tablespoon to you, and us a teaspoon.

      You want to - understand that, but I generally had something else. A single plate of economic cooperation, you evaluate, as if here they want to deceive you too. Although, watching Russian TV channels, it is not surprising that you have such an opinion.
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 18 February 2014 02: 32
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Although, watching Russian TV channels, it is not surprising that you have such an opinion.


        I don’t judge by TV channels at all, because I don’t watch, but I judge by your presentation on this and other sites, not specifically on yours, but on most national ones.
        You understand economic cooperation somewhat one-sidedly, meaning cooperation, mainly, concessions and benefits, and, as a rule, in your favor, forgetting that it is necessary not only to take, but also to give. hi
        1. Akim
          Akim 18 February 2014 07: 20
          0
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          and I judge by your presentation on this and other sites

          Forums are interest clubs. For example, I am not registered anywhere else. And you perceive subjective points presenting? So do not go crazy for long.
  • Akim
    Akim 17 February 2014 10: 00
    -4
    It is necessary to create a federation from Ukraine, but this is a very long political process. A year or two. Someone in Russia naively thinks that at once some regions will run to them - this is stupid. Only a small percentage of Ukrainian citizens want to be part of Russia. Therefore, do not roll the lips.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 17 February 2014 10: 17
      +4
      Hi Kim, no one is rolling, we all wish you only peace and prosperity. We are outraged mainly because of the tricks of the Nazis and Banderlog.
      1. Akim
        Akim 17 February 2014 10: 25
        0
        Quote: ed65b
        We are outraged mainly because of the tricks of the Nazis and Banderlog.

        Good afternoon. And we are outraged, but the process of stabilization is ongoing. Even in spite of American money for protests, the government held on. She did not allow much blood and withstood the blow. Fascists are a propaganda anti-slogan.
        Banderlog Natsik - but not the Nazis.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 17 February 2014 11: 27
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          And we are outraged, but the process of stabilization is ongoing.

          Yes, we are glad. Nobody needs the instability of a neighbor. all the more so for the Brotherhood, no matter what you say, you feel at home in Ukraine and Ukrainians in Russia too. That's just the border and customs interfere.
    2. shuhartred
      shuhartred 17 February 2014 10: 51
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      Only a small percentage of Ukrainian citizens want to be part of Russia.

      Where does the information come from? Or do you feel like it?
      Quote: Akim
      Therefore, do not roll the lips.
      Roll out those who want to fuck something. So quote oligarchs. I doubt that there are any on the site. In general, I want in the USSR !!!! crying
      1. Akim
        Akim 17 February 2014 10: 57
        -3
        Quote: shuhartred
        In general, I want in the USSR !!!!

        And did you invent a time machine?
        And for information - see the statistics. There is Internet tea. Neither in Crimea, nor in Odessa, nor in Donetsk, rallies for reunification with Russia are held. Maximum in kitchens or forums say.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 11: 32
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          . Maximum in kitchens or forums say.

          All movement always began with kitchen conversations. hi
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 February 2014 11: 43
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            All movement always began with kitchen conversations.

            It depends on how you react to it. If you act as with the "sixtecostals", having transplanted everyone, then YES. But Ukraine has a more flexible political structure.
          2. officer29
            officer29 17 February 2014 13: 55
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            All movement always began with kitchen conversations.

            And how these kitchen conversations ended, we perfectly remember! Enough 1991!
        2. shuhartred
          shuhartred 17 February 2014 12: 02
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          And did you invent a time machine?

          Passes sea trials.
          Quote: Akim
          And for information - see the statistics

          Opinion polls or what? That's what I would not believe, so it's all kinds of polls. In general, statistics are such a thing that they can put everything upside down.
          Quote: Akim
          a small percentage of Ukrainian citizens wants to be part of Russia.

          Well, they do not want and do not. As I already told us, this is neither cold nor hot (well, for the most part). I only want one from Ukraine; cessation of anti-Russian rhetoric and stability. And one more thing, do not enter into any NATs, I think it’s understandable why.
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 February 2014 12: 14
            0
            Quote: shuhartred
            Opinion polls or what? That's what I would not believe, so it's all kinds of polls. In general, statistics are such a thing that they can put everything upside down.

            Then nothing is worth believing. Rely only on your scent, from the north, apparently better visible even without television channels and the Internet.
            1. shuhartred
              shuhartred 17 February 2014 13: 12
              +7
              Quote: Akim
              Rely only on your scent, from the north, apparently better visible even without television channels and the Internet.

              Why a scumbag? In the summer I was in Ukraine (Sumy region relatives there and childhood friends) talked. The picture is the exact opposite of the one you are painting.
              1. Akim
                Akim 17 February 2014 13: 17
                +1
                Quote: shuhartred
                The picture is the exact opposite of the one you are painting.

                In the summer I was in Ukraine. It depends on how you want to see. I’m coming to Donetsk, one friend says that everyone is hurt in the city, the other: life is AS.
                1. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 17 February 2014 13: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  I’m coming to Donetsk, one friend says that everyone is hurt in the city, the other: life is AS.

                  Well, this is where we end
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 18 February 2014 05: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Akim
                  In the summer I was in Ukraine.

                  Stop, stop ... And now you WHERE? In Bangladesh?
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 18 February 2014 07: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Corsair
                    In Bangladesh?

                    In Odessa. Should I say that Odessa lives by its own rules, separately.
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 18 February 2014 07: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: Akim
                      In Odessa. Should I say that Odessa lives by its own rules, separately.
                      And you say federalization is impossible laughing
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 18 February 2014 07: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        And you say federalization is impossible

                        Not at the time she is. With regards to Odessa. it has always been independent (except for the Stalin era).
        3. officer29
          officer29 17 February 2014 13: 53
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          for reunion with Russia. Maximum in kitchens or forums say.

          Some time ago, after the conflict in Sevastopol over the Black Sea Fleet, Mr. Luzhkov, then the mayor of Moscow, and the unforgettable "Son of a Lawyer", proposed to submit to the State Duma a bill on simplified admission to Russian citizenship of Ukrainian citizens living in the southeastern part Ukraine. The bill did not pass, but there were no queues at the consulates and the Russian embassy in Ukraine with applications for Russian citizenship! request And if they had held events, by analogy with Abkhazia and South Ossetia, there would have been a completely different conversation ... hi
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 February 2014 22: 45
            -3
            Quote: officer29
            And if they held events, by analogy with Abkhazia and South Ossetia, there would be a completely different conversation ..

            The navel will untie at such analogues. Mycoroscopic Abkhazia and South Ossetia and the whole southeast of Ukraine were compared. And then not everyone is eager to get someone else's passports. How will you distinguish? The idea of ​​Luzhkov was not supported correctly and he was declared persona non grata in Ukraine
        4. Corsair
          Corsair 17 February 2014 21: 34
          0
          Quote: Akim
          And did you invent a time machine?

          Don't you think that ALL Ukrainians, in one way or another, involved in the "process" are "cogs" of this very machine?

          Guessing only with the motion vector, the "right" will definitely lead you to the Stone Age ...
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 February 2014 21: 49
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            Don't you think that ALL Ukrainians, in one way or another, involved in the "process" are "cogs" of this very machine?

            Guessed that I meant you. laughing
            Again, I repeat Russia is not the USSR. Unfortunately, there is no way back. Even unification with Russia will not restore it. Some bourgeois will exchange for others.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 17 February 2014 22: 02
              +1
              Quote: Akim
              Guessed that I meant you.
              Again, I repeat Russia is not the USSR. Unfortunately, there is no way back.

              Have you noticed that my new "avatar" stylized as the flag of the Ukrainian SSR does not contain the STARS over the hammer and sickle?

              All sane people understand that a return to the USSR in its previous form is not possible, but there are other forms of association ...
              1. Akim
                Akim 17 February 2014 22: 46
                0
                Quote: Corsair
                All sane people understand that a return to the USSR in its previous form is not possible, but there are other forms of association ...

                You will find - then we'll see. In the meantime, everything does not fit.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 17 February 2014 23: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  You will find - then we'll see. In the meantime, everything does not fit.

                  "Press" as in 1654, you yourself will find ...
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 17 February 2014 23: 31
                    -3
                    Quote: Corsair
                    "Press" as in 1654, you yourself will find ...

                    No need to draw historical parallels. There was no such country then Ukraine.
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 17 February 2014 23: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Akim
                      No need to draw historical parallels. There was no such country then Ukraine.

                      Have you been Ukrainians?
                      Two outcast people are Jews and Ukrainians ...

                      The world community gave one statehood, others "choices" ...

                      Only with whom?
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 18 February 2014 00: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Have you been Ukrainians?
                        Two outcast people are Jews and Ukrainians ...

                        Ukrainians were. And about the rejected. Zisis is a kind of self-flagellation. Who wants to - let yourself be humiliated in this way.
                    2. old rocket man
                      old rocket man 18 February 2014 02: 36
                      +1
                      Quote: Akim
                      Quote: Corsair
                      "Press" as in 1654, you yourself will find ...

                      No need to draw historical parallels. There was no such country then Ukraine.


                      She is still gone.
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 18 February 2014 07: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Old Rocketman
                        She is still gone.

                        That is why the people do not want to live with SUCH Russians. You will receive denial from those who are opposed to the Maidan. Or do you think I’ll lick someone’s filthy hands? Do not wait !!!
        5. old rocket man
          old rocket man 18 February 2014 00: 46
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          Maximum in kitchens or forums say.


          Life shows that nowhere they speak more truthfully than in the kitchen negative
          1. Akim
            Akim 18 February 2014 00: 57
            -1
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            that they’re nowhere more truthful than in the kitchen

            I agree. So what? Of course, there are and will be people who want reunification in Russia, but this does not go beyond the "kitchen".
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 11: 30
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      It’s necessary to create a federation from Ukraine,

      Kim, what will it change for the country's economy?
      1. Akim
        Akim 17 February 2014 11: 39
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        what will it change for the country's economy?

        Part of the economy will come out of the shadows, greater economic freedom for the regions, which will allow for more flexible modernization and an inflow of investments in certain sectors. The devil is not so terrible as he is painted. The hryvnia was released to "free float" and it did not fall to 11 hryvnia per dollar, as predicted by "experts", but walks within 10%.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 February 2014 13: 01
          +5
          Quote: Akim
          Part of the economy comes out of the shadows

          This is how federalization will affect business?
          Quote: Akim
          That will allow for more flexible modernization and the influx of investment in individual industries.

          You started to soar in the clouds again laughing
          Quote: Akim
          The hryvnia was released into "free float" and it did not fall to 11 hryvnia per dollar, as predicted by "experts", but walks within 10%.

          Believe me, if you let go, then it would fly so far that you would be tired of counting zeros on banknotes.
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 February 2014 13: 13
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Believe me, if you let go, then it would fly so far that you would be tired of counting zeros on banknotes.

            I don’t believe it, because you don’t sit in the National Bank of Ukraine, you can only see this country from the monitor screen. I agree that the first part of my reprise has not been confirmed in any way - this is more of a theory, but about the hryvnia, do not hang me Russian (not nationally, but propaganda) noodles. It will fall and it will be. Until it falls. Deposits are not massively withdrawn; foreign capital has not yet withdrawn from the market.
        2. seller trucks
          seller trucks 17 February 2014 13: 52
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          The hryvnia was released to "free float" and it did not fall to 11 hryvnia per dollar


          Akim, as they say is not yet evening:

          Immediately after the sovereign rating of Ukraine was downgraded, the international agency Fitch lowered its long-term foreign currency ratings of thirteen Ukrainian financial institutions.

          In accordance with the results of the study, thirteen Ukrainian banks received a pre-default rating: their rating in foreign currency fell from B- to CCC. The rating of the CCC group means that the probability of default of the institution to which it was assigned is very high, and the ability to fulfill monetary obligations directly depends on the economic and financial situation.


          for me personally, all ratings are "dark forest", but I suppose that nothing good.

          Ukraine still buys more goods than it sells, but over the 2013 year, the negative difference between exports and imports decreased by $ 2,2 billion compared to the previous year, these are the data of the State Statistics Service. However, the country still continues to live beyond its means: goods sold for $ 63,3 billion, bought for $ 77 billion, that is, government and business debts increased by $ 13,7 billion.


          Consumer sentiment worsened to a three-year low due to the Maidan and dollar surges.

          The consumer sentiment of Ukrainians has sharply deteriorated due to the unstable political and economic situation in the country. According to research firm GfK Ukraine, last month they were the most negative since April 2011. So, in January, the consumer sentiment index was 72,5, which is 7,8 points lower than December. At the same time, the largest drop was recorded in the northern and western regions of Ukraine, writes Kommersant-Ukraine.


          This is an unbiased info, everything is taken from Ukrainian sources, and only for 17.02.2014.
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      1. Akim
        Akim 17 February 2014 12: 05
        0
        Quote: UpgradeComplete
        who do you need nafig here, rogue?

        Well, of course. I’ll let my cats go for meat. In Russia, they have been talking about default in Ukraine for a year now, waiting for it day by day. Not tired? And the Kazakh tenge in the TS fell by a third.
        1. postman
          postman 17 February 2014 17: 13
          -1
          Quote: Akim
          In Russia, they have been talking about default in Ukraine for a year,

          1. I will notice not in Russia, but only on "specific" sites! (Here in particular)
          2.About the crash of $ they say even more (and even more often)
          3. The surplus of the balance of payments of Ukraine in 2013 amounted to $ 2 billion (in +)
          4. The population in January bought back a total (!) Of $ 650 million. When Ukrainians really panic, then $ 1,5–2,5 billion a month leaves the banking system.
          Quote: Akim
          Not tired?

          They are unlikely to get bored. "We see a speck in someone else's eye, we don't notice a speck in our own log"
          http://www.cbr.ru/currency_base/daily.aspx?C_month=02&C_year=2013&date_req=17.02

          . 2013
          17.01.2013/40,2713/XNUMX = XNUMX

          http://www.cbr.ru/currency_base/daily.aspx?C_month=02&C_year=2014&date_req=17.02

          . 2014

          17.02.2014/48,2618/XNUMX = XNUMX
          FOR THE YEAR - 19,8%
          Quote: Akim
          And the Kazakh tenge in the TS fell by a third.

          It is not connected with the vehicle in any way
          1. As a result of the introduction of a single external tariff of the Customs Union with exceptions, tariff revenues in Kazakhstan roughly doubled,wherein:
          real wages decreased by 0,5%, and real return on capital in Kazakhstan fell by 0,6%.
          2. Real incomes of Kazakhstan add about 1,5% of the cost of consumption per year, thanks to the CU
          3. The strongest economy of the Customs Union and the entire CIS is Kazakhstan, HSBC bank analysts say. The World Bank agrees with them: in its latest forecast for the development of the world economy, the country promise GDP growth of 6% per year until 2016 inclusive.

          4. The answer is in the fall of the tenge here:



          .. and here:

          Kazakhstan’s ranking for some key institutional development indices is as follows: 59th out of 183 in the Doing Business Index; 62nd out of 155 in terms of logistics performance index; and 105th out of 178 on the corruption perception index Agency "Transparency International"
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 17 February 2014 22: 37
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          I’ll let my cats go for meat.

          E-how, "Europeanness" has "stuck" in you ...
          Employees of the zoo in Copenhagen complained of threatening calls to them that began after the killing of a giraffe contained in the zoo, reports Reuters.

          It is assumed that animal rights advocates are phoned with threats, dissatisfied with the killing of a healthy individual. Giraffe Matthias was killed due to the fact that in no European country there was a suitable pair: all individuals were related to Matthias, which means that there was a threat of closely related crosses. Killing an individual in such a case is prescribed by the requirements of the European Association of Zoos.

          However, someone decided that the animal was acted too cruelly. Zoo employees report that unknown persons threaten reprisals not only to themselves, but also to their families.
          http://go-url.ru/dnj3
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 February 2014 23: 26
            -2
            Quote: Corsair
            E-how, "Europeanness" has "stuck" in you ...

            There was a comment that was deleted that we have nothing to eat. I agree - it got worse. I wanted to change my MK-2 to the brand new MK Cross in December. I can’t do it yet. About a half a year, or even before the new winter.
    5. postman
      postman 17 February 2014 16: 56
      0
      Quote: Akim
      It is necessary to create a federation from Ukraine

      1. All the same, the Federation.
      2. WHAT DOES IT NEED ????
      From a monolithic, normal country patchwork?
      What would be in each republic (the former region) YOUR KINGDOM, with a group of comrades (ministries and departments)? Who needs it?
      "Bolivar can't stand two" / I mean, Ukraine WILL NOT PERFORM
      Quote: Akim
      Therefore, do not roll the lips.

      And who rolled the "little lips"?
      These are populi (Olivier) who shamelessly "exploit" both ours and yours ... (how can I call them softer?), Well, who crap around, and just walk around, with odorous pants
      1. Akim
        Akim 17 February 2014 20: 19
        0
        Quote: Postman
        From a monolithic, normal country patchwork?

        To begin with, the country has never been monolithic, only unitary. Federated models are different. Someone advocates for the Russian, some for the American, I adhere to the opinion of the majority of supporters of federalization - German. And for example, someone for the economic (decentralization) federalization of a unitary state, as in Italy. The same Kolesnichenko now adheres to this option. And the kings still exist. It would not have shouted that Ukraine would crumble, but in 20 years the Ukrainian nation has formed. In the 90s, the country could be saved, only a unitary model, now Both in the west and east of the country they want to be citizens of Ukraine.
        1. postman
          postman 18 February 2014 12: 50
          0
          Quote: Akim
          Let's start

          Let's start:
          1.Bulgaria is a mono-national monolithic state, not subject to separation by any of the following signs: faith, ethnic group, culture. Differences in origin and religious faith cannot be more important than nationality. Everyone who acts in this way is separated from the Bulgarian nation and state and cannot make any claims to them.
          2. Ukraine-Unitary State, Presidential-Parliamentary Republic

          Modern sovereign unitary states:

          Europe
          ...
          4.Bulgaria
          ...
          31.Ukraina
          / Find 2 differences?
          Quote: Akim
          most supporters of federalization are German.

          Don't flatter yourself
          1. take a closer look at the history of the state "Germany" (Deutsches Reich) and the constitution of the 1868 North German Union
          2. It is necessary to have "in stock" 17 centuries of SEPARATE living
          3.Bismarck must be "born", not Yanukovych
          Quote: Akim
          No matter how they screamed that Ukraine would crumble

          Hollow-headed shouting
  • RUSS
    RUSS 17 February 2014 10: 01
    +4
    The Ukrainian Federal Republic or the Ukrainian Federation or the Federal Republic of Ukraine, so how?
    1. Akim
      Akim 17 February 2014 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      so how?

      Austria is a federation, but the name has not changed. The official name is the Republic of Austria.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 17 February 2014 12: 22
        0
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: RUSS
        so how?

        Austria is a federation, but the name has not changed. The official name is the Republic of Austria.


        You can, as in Russia, officially: Russia and the Russian Federation will be legally true.
      2. postman
        postman 18 February 2014 12: 53
        0
        Quote: Akim
        Austria is a federation, but the name has not changed

        1.Austria - Österreich (free country)
        2. And why should she "change" if the Constitution of 1920 is in effect.
        AFTER the collapse of the Austrian Empire.
        Everything is registered there
        1. Akim
          Akim 18 February 2014 13: 53
          0
          Quote: Postman
          AFTER the collapse of the Austrian Empire.
          Everything is registered there

          Correctly. And why then change Ukraine. Government structure does not always affect the name. The same Germany, after unification, is spelled out at official receptions as Germany.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 17 February 2014 10: 19
    +3
    One thing was surprising, I don’t know if it is now or not, that the law enforcement bodies were not allowed to the corpses and wounded. Well this is how much under this shop you can inculcate people. Crime probably all over again under the Maidan mover divided. The gangster war has begun?
  • morpogr
    morpogr 17 February 2014 10: 21
    +2
    If a default occurs then federalization of Ukraine will come. The western part already refuses to pay taxes to the center, and when the east stops paying and no one gives loans, then each region will begin to act independently to survive. And if the east and south will be able to agree with Russia because it is very close ties in production and in the military industrial complex, and it is beneficial for us, then the west without subsidies and production is simply depopulated.
    1. Akim
      Akim 17 February 2014 10: 30
      +1
      Quote: morpogr
      The western part already refuses to pay taxes to the center

      Do not watch the final "Vesti" with Kiselev. By the way, the biggest debtor for municipal gas is Donetsk and Odessa regions.
      1. zzz
        zzz 17 February 2014 16: 38
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Do not watch the final "Vesti" with Kiselev. By the way, the biggest debtor for municipal gas is Donetsk and Odessa regions.


        From Fidget:

        I will read the extract from the State budget so that we know who pays to whom. The budget of the Ternopil region earns UAH 243 million, and subsidies from the state budget are provided - UAH 985 million. What is there to comment on? Ivano-Frankivsk region earns UAH 630 million, and UAH 063 million - an equalization subsidy from the state budget. Lviv region - earns 341, 938 million UAH, and receives 776, 532 billion UAH from the state budget. These subsidies include reduced fare payments, allowances for children, and more. Donetsk region earns UAH 878, 243 billion, and government payments amount to UAH 1, 358 billion. Only Donetsk and its okrug, giving back three quarters of earnings, feeds three western regions. Will the West help Western Ukraine? I think the question is rhetorical .....
        Read more here .... http: //www.vremia.ua/rubrics/zakulisa/5402.php

        So they more than cover it.
        1. Akim
          Akim 17 February 2014 20: 29
          +1
          Quote: zzz
          From Fidget:

          Lena is smart, but the numbers can be "drawn" different.
          Donbass does not feed, but eats all over Ukraine (INFOGRAPHICS)
          Experts note the fact that the share of the Donetsk region in Ukraine’s GDP in 2010 was only 12%, and the total amount of subsidies received by this region amounted to 21%, and in 2011 the region received even more investments - 27% of the national total, informs

          http://glavcom.ua/news/176486.html
          This is by numbers. but in life it was noticed that the Donbass earns a lot and spend a lot.
          If you talk about society, then it just brought up. Communal debts are not the debts of enterprises. but people. The same statistics do not say that the largest wage arrears are in the city of Kiev, but it is the most expensive city in Ukraine.
          1. zzz
            zzz 17 February 2014 22: 02
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: zzz
            From Fidget:

            Lena is smart, but the numbers can be "drawn" different.


            Well, tada vaasche to trust no digits! And yours including.

            And better like this: Lviv feeds the whole Ukraine! Well, even these little things .. how are they there ..? Poland, Romania, USA, Germany .. EU .. different products, running ..
            1. Akim
              Akim 17 February 2014 22: 49
              0
              Quote: zzz
              Lviv feeds all Ukraine! Well, even these little things ..

              Well, do not go too far, but you don’t need to broadcast the entire economic component to Donbass.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 17 February 2014 10: 35
    0
    if this goes on, then we must take tough measures
  • Aeneas
    Aeneas 17 February 2014 11: 24
    +3
    That normally Yanukovych can be "in the same team" with Yatsenyuk and Klitschko. If, in fact, Yanukovych himself was prime minister under President Yushchenko. And at one point, the regionals and the Timoshenkoites already embraced in the ecstasy of mutual understanding and unity in the anti-Yushchenko coalition, for the agreement was reached by the negotiators, but Khfyodrych refused at the very last moment, and even on the air, addressing from the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, apparently having received guarantees from Yusch for his future presidency ... The federalization of Ukraine is a political technology of the oligarchic elites for rooting their interests in a particular region, and does not at all correspond to some regional peculiarities of various parts of Ukraine. Roughly speaking, Donetsk oligarchs want power where their main business is located, and where the people are silent, you are in control. This is the South-East of Ukraine or the PiSUAR project. But even in the South-East, different regions have significant differences, and Slobozhanshchina, Dnieper, Northern Tavria politically want a slightly different "federalization" than Sevastopol and Crimea. Even Donbass is not homogeneous, especially in the Azov region and the border with Slobozhanshchina. The real harbinger of federalization will be the administrative-territorial reform, especially in the component of "redrawing" the borders of the Ukrainian SSR regions. Will the economic elites then agree with the new prospect to negotiate and recapture the already controlled regions? Therefore, the main lobbyists for federalization are the "junior partners" of the regionals: Crimeans, Kharkovites (Dobkin, Kernes). Donetsk and Luhansk, as Yanukovych's fiefdom, are in favor of a unitary vertical of government.
  • 020205
    020205 17 February 2014 11: 25
    -1
    Yes, there will be nothing wrong with your Ukraine, banderlogs jump around raging. A team from Moscow will act to disperse this game-maidan in the best traditions of Russia, if Putin put this trio in place and even more so

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  • muhomor
    muhomor 17 February 2014 11: 40
    +1
    The West is not sure that it will be possible to tear off the Ukrainian economy from the Russian economy and establish a Russophobic regime with apartheid of the Russian-speaking population (in the manner of the Baltic states). And if there is no certainty, then there is no money. Although money is on Maidan and is likely to be. After the Olympics, Euromaidan will be stupidly eliminated. Moreover, Yanukovych will be white and fluffy, as he made compromises, made concessions to the opposition and generally did everything he could, but the opposition was not constructive.
  • regdan
    regdan 17 February 2014 11: 47
    +1
    I believe that Ukraine itself can solve its problems. Russia should not go in there, Yanukovych brewed porridge, so let it dissipate.
  • Lumumba
    Lumumba 17 February 2014 11: 53
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    Federal Republic of Ukraine, how


    Zimbabwe is also an independent, independent and the most independent republic. This is where the banderlog development vector is taken.

    Quote: ed65b
    How many says he did not ask the Ukrainians all for peace and independence, they definitely do not want to go to Russia.


    As one singer, who lives in the Crimean city of Yalta, used to say: "For such words you can get a fuck and fall asleep forever near a stinking bucket."
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 17 February 2014 13: 35
      0
      Quote: Lumumba
      Quote: ed65b
      How many says he did not ask the Ukrainians all for peace and independence, they definitely do not want to go to Russia.

      As one singer, who lives in the Crimean city of Yalta, used to say: "For such words you can get a fuck and fall asleep forever near a stinking bucket."

      Well this is not for me. post is not mine. When reposting Dear, see the source.
  • surovyi kot
    surovyi kot 17 February 2014 12: 02
    +3
    Fuck it all. Self-styled ?! Indispensable ?! Lead the crowd on ... and into .... !!! There are geopolitical interests of the Russian Federation for them and we must fight! Excellent for us, unprofitable then on ... and in ...! Putin's gas gambit is a vivid example of this, I mean Nord Stream, a good slap on the head of the Ukrainian politicians who played on interethnic strife! let them put out a fire in their own home with their own hands, but we are out of philanthropy, we spend money on them, then we put the people in the grave in hundreds of thousands. No! Tired! Enough! Period, end of sentence.
    1. heathen
      heathen 17 February 2014 14: 55
      +1
      Well, strictly speaking, all these statements about the fact that Nord Stream is an alternative to the Ukrainian GTS do not correspond to the truth.
      The capacity of the Nord Stream is 55 billion cubic meters. m / year
      South Stream capacity (planned) - 63 billion cubic meters. m / year
      The capacity of the Ukrainian GTS is 178 (142 in the EU) billion cubic meters. m / year
      In total, it is realistic to pump 197 billion cubic meters into the EU now and 260 billion cubic meters after 2015, when the South Stream is launched. But then this will not be enough.
      Because you know what Europe needs for gas? 500-525 billion cubic meters per year.
      In general, more pipelines need to be built - not to be rebuilt. In the meantime, no one will refuse places from almost 55% of gas supplies. So the slap is postponed indefinitely, if not forever.
  • parus2nik
    parus2nik 17 February 2014 12: 04
    0
    Federal Republic of Ukraine ... let it be so ... and then we'll see what remains of the federation
  • Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 17 February 2014 12: 06
    +10
    All this reminds one joke:
    A couple of Germans are sitting in a tavern, and a couple of Ukrainians are nearby. The Germans looked at them with interest, then decided to roll up.
    - Guys, are you from Russia?
    “No,” they say, “we are from Ukraine.” - And what's that?
    - The country is like that. We have our own coat of arms, anthem, flag.
    “This is understandable,” the Germans say. - And where is such a country?
    - Do you know Sevastopol? - Ukrainians ask.
    “I know,” one says. - my grandfather fought there. But this is Russia.
    - No, this is Ukraine. We have our own coat of arms, anthem, flag. Okay, how else can you explain? Donbass know?
    - We know. But this is Russia!
    - No, this is Ukraine. We have our own anthem, coat of arms, flag.
    The Germans see that nothing happens. Thinking:
    - Okay. What is your language? Russian?
    - No, ours, Ukrainian.
    “And what do you think?”
    - Arm.
    - And the leg?
    - Leg.
    - Hm .. And zh.p.a.?
    - S_raka.
    - And it was you, because of one s_raki, who invented a coat of arms, a national anthem, a flag ???
    1. Kidey
      Kidey 17 February 2014 13: 12
      +1
      just a super joke _____
  • Watchman
    Watchman 17 February 2014 12: 34
    +6
    Everyone should be part of Belarus! Call it all Superbelarus and then Old Man will show how to fight corruption, build roads, restore industry, etc.
    1. mentalowl
      mentalowl April 1 2015 19: 10
      0
      good drinks I agree! Will show without anyone there
  • Cristall
    Cristall 17 February 2014 13: 00
    +3
    In general, it is worthwhile to look soberly and not to aggravate the situation (primarily in the head) with thoughts and articles about the future. I am still convinced that the troika (not the Maidan serpent gorynych) controls the situation.
    Yesterday I saw a procession in Odessa. Properly picked up by the way - all sorts of Bendery symbols were removed - there were few Yesovian ones. They voted the most popular slogan, Getu Gang (which they don’t know after the gang)
    And I have to go to work. Yes, and the rest of Odessa (many are already at work)
  • repytw
    repytw 17 February 2014 13: 33
    +1
    Whoever says that from Ukraine the federation doesn’t work out, everything will slide down to two vectors, European and Russian, there will be either two Ukraine or the southeast will enter the Customs Union, and then Russia, and the northwest will become the poor refuge of Bandera, from which tear off pieces stronger Poland, Romania.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 17 February 2014 13: 49
    +3
    Soon spring and the Galician rabble will leave, as usual, to earn money in the EU, to clean public necessities, etc. Maidan will crumble like a house of cards and Kiev will breathe from this evil.
  • I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 17 February 2014 14: 08
    +2
    "Serious conflicts and crises have come even closer to us. However, my fundamental conviction remains unchanged: Russia cannot do without."

    And what kind of "crap" do they want to impose on Russia?

    In the USSR, there was the Ussr ... then an independent ... again, change the name? But the point is ... the content (Ukrainian) will remain the same.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 17 February 2014 14: 48
    +2
    Federated Ukraine - to be! The fact that the Galician radicals, mistakenly joined in Ukraine in 1939, stir up water and are the catalysts for these messes, is clear to everyone, even not living inside Ukraine. And Donbass is unlikely in the future to be massively imbued with their Bandera ideology. The question of the orientation of us, the north-eastern part? Here, almost in half the voices in the elections are divided.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 17 February 2014 14: 59
    +1
    Only a civil war will save the independence from itself, all the rest is only an extension of the agony and more victims.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 17 February 2014 15: 15
    +3
    Maybe so. But we must take into account that:
    "Orange mothers to orange children
    Orange songs are singing orange. "
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 February 2014 15: 19
    +2
    Everything rests on the economy. Everyone knows that the economic power of Ukraine is concentrated in the East and Southeast. After all, V. Putin proposed 15 billion in order to get the country out of its pre-default state. And then the main contracts are proposed for industry, where the bill goes to hundreds of billions. Such an economic policy is mutually beneficial for both Russia and Ukraine. Yanukovych who has been maneuvering towards Geyropa all these years, having familiarized himself with the reception conditions, to say the least, oh .. He rushed to China there ... They left Russia, received a loan against the verbal obligations of Azarov. Europe and the United States strengthening Russia and Ukraine in this case, a sharp dagger in one place. God forbid Kharkovites will perform together with the Urals on the armored vehicles market, at Nikolaev shipyards they will begin to build aircraft carriers for Russia, and aviation, space, energy, etc. etc. It is possible to infinity. A nightmare for Obama. Therefore, they launched the Maydanuty business for which the economy of their country is an empty phrase. They need to put in power their man, who must finish off the country's economy, thereby removing some of the potential future competitors in Ukraine and weakening the economic position of Russia. Much has been said about the US military-strategic interests in this matter. That's it.
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 17 February 2014 16: 25
    +7
    Federalization is good, of course, but as in the old proverb, measure it once seven times, I watched a noble banderlog about the liberation of Kmda tonight, mostly youngsters prank, who are interested in pipes, who has stood for how long, how many stones they threw at in such a spirit, which of course they can’t take away from them is that everyone pulls a blanket over themselves, and as far as I understand, they didn’t receive the money that the USA allocated to them at all, which we are proud of, they say not for money, but to the question , you knew about 17 million in dolars that were found at Turchinov’s modestly silent. Of course, they also have those who are more serious in Syria and in Chechnya and Georgia, who fought on the side of the militants, and this is something foreign to the Russian, and it is not yet known how many people have already sentenced, just because the person speaks Russian, or thinks for the good of the motherland. It’s worth mentioning that banderlogs are afraid to leave, referring to the fact that they will then be caught one at a time, and I’ll say that it’s right to be afraid, because now no one will forgive them for what they brewed, the southeast rallied. Despite the loyalty of Yanyk, if the conflict escalates, but I think there are those who are interested in this and who now have nothing to do with it, then there is something to answer to the southeast, there will be enough strength and decisiveness, let them not doubt it. Federalization in this case is inevitable, work in this direction is already underway, even if the center will not be able to solve something, the process has already been launched. Many are in favor of preserving Ukraine in its territorial integrity, if it is possible, it will most likely be so, only with federalization each region will now live according to its capabilities in this way and the development perspective of one or another region will be visible the potential and implementation of it as such, work is enough for everyone. There are many projects for the development of the regions of the southeast, and all of them are tied to Russia, and here the question is, and the West has projects for the development of regions with Europe, I think everyone knows Europe’s plans for western Ukraine. So, for the implementation of these projects, the federalism of Ukraine is most favorable for cooperation. Klitschko, Yatsenyuk and others like them (we call them Tritushki) go to Europe, and instead of knocking out real agreements on the development of the west of Ukraine, they are flogged there, it is not clear what, in the hope of a free cookie. I’m thinking of being a Federation, and now it’s a matter of time, because there’s no one who wants to leave, the common people just got tired of it, how patient they are, but they’re tired of it, and many guys say to banderlogs that it’s useless to talk understand only the language of power. Regards from Kharkov!
  • Egoza
    Egoza 17 February 2014 17: 17
    +2
    “We need to return the constitutional process to normal. Instead of a form of government, it is necessary to discuss the form of organization of state power. All signs of federalism were fully manifested during the so-called seizure of regional administration buildings. A map of the subjects of the federation is already there. Starting, of course, is necessary from Galicia. This autonomy, which exists separately from the mind, fits perfectly into the federal model. Why provoke the Lviv intelligentsia? On the contrary, it must be supported in every way. Give them a small budget that they would quickly “master” by stealing and building new Bandera monuments. Allow to form your own parliament and "government". Let at least every week they storm their "malignant" water and burn tires. And also apply for financial assistance to the diaspora, the EU and the USA. In the sphere of competence of the central authority should be only roads of national importance, elements of the gas transportation system and the border. All.

    The subjects of the eastern federation are also quite clearly looming. The center and Kiev remained in a somewhat suspended state, but there is a subject for a real discussion that will affect everyone. For example, should a Galician with all the attendant “effects” manage the capital?

    Politics will become a little more honest if they are formatted according to the federal principle. We no longer need these traditional howls about “stitching the country”, “harmonious development of a single nation”. Such political devices will simply not be needed. It will be clearly understood: here is the Russian language, and here is Galicia. Here is a big business, and here - catering.

    I repeat once again: Maidan clearly indicated the collapse of the unitary form of government. The concept of "one state - one nation" collapsed. If politicians do not pay attention to the factual, I would call it spontaneous federalization, then they will inevitably leave the stage. ” A. Zubchenko.
    http://www.versii.com/news/297431/
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 17 February 2014 17: 42
      +1
      It somehow does not seem that the Galichians and Russians from the eastern regions are one nation.
  • saag
    saag 17 February 2014 17: 51
    +1
    No, the southeastern regions of Ukraine will not join and will not join the Russian Federation, they’ll simply advise not to do this from the west, and the GDP is listened to partners. The accession of regions to the Russian Federation would mean the loss for the west of a more prosperous part of the Ukrainian sales market, and who would do that?
  • Cristall
    Cristall 17 February 2014 17: 56
    +1
    It is a pity that young people are not sent to enterprises - to see what kind of business people are doing, making space or military equipment ... but all sorts of things like "PATRIOT" are engaged in them, where young brains are processed.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 17 February 2014 19: 20
      +1
      Chris, who will they do this technique for? Russia produces its own, but in the world no one else needs.
  • Klim podkova
    Klim podkova 17 February 2014 18: 04
    +3
    The Federal Republic is the first step towards division. It won't be long before the South and East of Ukraine will themselves raise the question of secession: "Why the hell are we supposed to feed these fascists who don't want to work and just know how to" Drop fat! ", Sorry," Glory to Ukraine! "To shout? (Guess, who will pay for the repair work on the restoration of Khreshchatyk: Lviv or Donetsk region?) They want to go to Europe - the road is like a tablecloth! "
    And the inevitable happens: separation, for the split has already happened.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 17 February 2014 18: 56
    +1
    so you can share ad infinitum-stupefying the population, the right territory, retreating and retreating ..
    1. Klim podkova
      Klim podkova 17 February 2014 19: 37
      0
      Separation - the easiest way out of this situation, but not necessarily the most correct.
      1. Akim
        Akim 17 February 2014 20: 33
        -1
        Quote: Klim Podkova
        The easiest way out of this situation, but not necessarily the most correct.

        Do not confuse Federation is not equal to separation.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 17 February 2014 21: 47
          0
          Quote: Akim
          Do not confuse Federation is not equal to separation.

          And a vivid example of this is the SFRY?
          1. Akim
            Akim 17 February 2014 22: 51
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            And a vivid example of this is the SFRY?

            That's just it was built on a national basis, and in Germany mostly Germans live in all lands.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 18 February 2014 07: 35
              0
              Quote: Akim
              That's just it was built on a national basis, and in Germany mostly Germans live in all lands.

              Let your nationalists finally gird up, and you will have neither a national, nor any other state. They will destroy everything ...
              1. Akim
                Akim 18 February 2014 07: 51
                -1
                Quote: Corsair
                Let your nationalists go wild

                Nationalism can not be etched in any country. And you can ruin a state on a national basis any - be it unitary, be it federal. I said earlier. You reason with a narrow time frame.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 18 February 2014 13: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  You reason with a narrow time frame.

                  Time in this case is a determining category.
                  And it works against Ukraine.
        2. old rocket man
          old rocket man 18 February 2014 01: 14
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          Do not confuse Federation is not equal to separation


          In the current situation, it’s exactly equal. The path will be such a subject of the federation-autonomy-complete autonomy-separation with the declaration of independence. Then, according to preferences, some in the Russian Federation, some in Europe (if they take it), and someone will remain in the federation.
          1. Akim
            Akim 18 February 2014 07: 27
            -1
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            In the current situation, it is exactly equal. The path will be such a subject of the federation-autonomy-complete autonomy-separation with the declaration of independence

            Are you a political scientist?
  • 23424636
    23424636 17 February 2014 19: 01
    +3
    At the expense of the Federation - a trick of the West. It’s not that mentality - an apple will not eat it. And what do we say to those who lie in the ground for their homeland who put their belly: how many thousands died for forcing the Dnieper and the entire Left Bank? The east of Ukraine was handed over by politicians - our fellow countrymen: Beat your own people so that it would be scary to strangers.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 17 February 2014 21: 24
      +2
      "federation ploy of the west"
      That's right. For them, Ukraine is a bargaining chip. The goal is to weaken Russia as a competitor. Without Ukraine, Russia will have big problems. But Ukraine will even lose its name as sovereign (non-sovereign). Actually, Yanukovych has already said that he does not intend to divide Ukraine into parts.
  • ztk1
    ztk1 17 February 2014 21: 20
    +1
    In the beginning, they will default to Ukraine (10 days later), and then rebuild into a federal state, while it’s cheap.
  • pawel57
    pawel57 17 February 2014 22: 11
    -6
    I listened and watched different trends and opinions in Ukraine. There is no reason for Ukraine or its regions to aspire to Russia, and the majority of the population does not aspire. Russia is a state with Russian genocide, the Caucasian war, migrants, and colonial Western dependence. Why Ukraine changed the flea. I completely agree with the opinion of one of the leaders of the right sector For a strong, independent Ukraine, a collector of Russian land (Kievan Rus). Therefore, they are called fascists. The Russian selling press and TV (not entirely Russian). If the situation comes to war and collapse, it is unambiguous for Russia to take away Crimea and industrial regions with the allocation of a republic with broad rights. Usually everything revolutionary fits imperceptibly. So the young right-wing sector is only now dawning. The future lies with them. If this is not just a slogan I am completely in favor, Give the right sector and a strong friendly Ukraine!
    1. MVS
      MVS 17 February 2014 23: 09
      0
      Quote: pawel57
      Give the right sector and a strong friendly Ukraine!

      Are you kidding me? The "Right Sector" does not consider us people. What kind of friendship?
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS 19 February 2014 09: 56
      +2
      I was born in the USSR and am proud of it, and now I also live in Russia.

      Quote: pawel57
      There is no need for Ukraine or its regions to aspire to Russia,


      I don’t know how the rest of the Ukrainians, but I’m glad that I managed to take my family to Russia before the Maidan and we won’t return.
  • gallville
    gallville 18 February 2014 00: 40
    0
    Here I read the article komenty and quietly fucked up.
    Which excuse federation? or pedé or something like that?
    All western regions - lions, Ivano-Frankivsk, Carpathians, Carpathians, throughout the history of Ukraine are subsidized.
    No sane politician will dare to push them from the east - what to feed? Rather, they will lay down their bones, but the federations will not risk either.
    War? What kind of war? Army 180 thousand people, half of them "colonels on Khreshchatyk" children of generals.
    Arms - no. Beeches to Georgia left directly from combat duty. Conventional weapons are even worse. A soldier shoots 1 time in a year. And then for 3 months this year he is at home - a geyropa and damn it.
    And to whom to fight?
    For 14 million working 13.5 million pensioners, of which 6 million are children of war — the year of birth until 1945 (May 9) is despite the fact that God’s very little one already has 40 million people.
    Already on the Maidan many are pounding from despair. The minimum sn - 130 dollars. zp nurse with the experience of -135 dollars. sn doctor 180 dol. We draw conclusions gentlemen.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 18 February 2014 02: 47
      0
      Wow, damn it. I have a pension of $ 696.
      But you do not want to go to Russia.
      1. Akim
        Akim 18 February 2014 07: 32
        -1
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        Wow, damn it. I have a pension of $ 696.

        With your prices? No. I have a salary of a thousand + 300 tanks (before the jump in the course) pension. We are good here. And despite the fact that I live in one of the most expensive cities in Ukraine.
  • Dozz
    Dozz 18 February 2014 03: 31
    +1
    eh ... Ukraine ..... Eternally everyone trample on it and sundry .....
  • Donchak
    Donchak 18 February 2014 07: 09
    0
    The Federation of Ukraine is de facto possible, only this, most likely, will not in any way affect the improvement of the situation in the state. The southeast will continue to pay taxes on enterprises, and Kiev, according to the good old tradition since the times of the USSR (appeasing "offended" nationalities) will continue to give the lion's share of subsidies for the development of the western regions. And they, the western regions, will continue to "develop". The only question is where this "development" will come. The option of 1918 is not excluded ...
  • mentalowl
    mentalowl April 1 2015 19: 01
    0
    Quote: 020205
    Yes, there will be nothing wrong with your Ukraine, banderlogs jump around raging. A team from Moscow will act to disperse this game-maidan in the best traditions of Russia, if Putin put this trio in place and even more so

    atch? v = q-LkNYHIQRg

    And now, April 2015 ...