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Kazakhstan will be "Cossack eli"?

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Kazakhstan will be "Cossack eli"?So, on February 6, during a visit to the Atyrau City Intellectual School, President Nursultan Nazarbayev proposed to abandon the name “Kazakhstan” in favor of “Kazak Eli” (“Kazakh people”). “In the name of our country there is an ending“ camp ”, like other Central Asian states, the president said,“ At the same time, foreigners show interest in Mongolia, which has a population of only two million people, while there is no ending in its name ” mill". It may be necessary to consider, over time, the issue of transition to the name of our country "Cossack eli", but first of all it is necessary to discuss this with the people.


Offer N.A. Nazarbayeva caused a storm of emotions in the Russian-speaking segment of the Internet, triggering the appearance of a whole wave of responses and expert comments.

During the time that has passed since the collapse of the USSR, an entire tradition has developed in Kazakhstan of changing the names of various geographical objects (toponymy). The reasons for this lie in the peculiarities of its historical development.

Most of the names, especially in the Russian-inhabited northern and northeastern regions of Kazakhstan, have traditionally been Slavic. Most of the cities inherited by Kazakhstan from the USSR were also founded by Russians and received Russian names.

Thus, Uralsk was founded by the Russians in 1584, Guriev, which became independent after Atyrau, in 1640, Semipalatinsk, in 1718, Pavlodar, in 1720, Petropavlovsk, in New York, was founded the Cossack outpost of Akmola in 1752. In the northern regions of the republic, the Slavic population has been living for 1830-300 for years, and, in fact, is indigenous there. Not surprisingly, local toponymy was also predominantly Slavic.

In 1991, Kazakhstan headed for the construction of a national state. Soviet period of his stories became regarded as colonial. Slavic toponymy, reminiscent of being in the composition of another, more powerful state, was in these conditions very inappropriate. Therefore, the change of Russian names to Kazakh began in the first years after independence. In December 1993, the Supreme Council adopted the law On the Administrative-Territorial Division of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which provided for “streamlining work on naming and renaming administrative-territorial units and clarifying the transcription of their names” creation under the government of the Onomastic Commission. The right to change the names of regions, districts and cities in accordance with the law belonged to the President of Kazakhstan, who was to make these decisions based on the conclusions of the Onomastic Commission and the opinion of residents of certain territories.

Kazakhstan is embraced by a real wave of renames. In 1991-2005 three areas were renamed, 12 cities, 53 areas of areas, 7 areas of the city, 43 railway stations and junctions, as well as 957 of small settlements. The names of some cities have changed several times. So, the regional center Tselinograd was first named Akmola, and later, after moving the capital city 1997 here in December, to Astana. In addition, the transcription of the names of 3 areas, 12 cities, 14 areas, 76 railway stations and 22 small settlements has been changed.

According to the head of the onomastics and terminology department of the Committee on Languages ​​of the Ministry of Information, Culture and Sports of the Republic of Kazakhstan Yerlan Kuzekbay, by 2005, the renaming of geographical objects was completed to 55-60%, with major flaws related to the northern and north-eastern regions. According to him, “for 14 years, much work has been done in this direction in the southern regions of Kazakhstan, but only by 30% has it been done in the northern regions and in the East Kazakhstan region”. Renamed streets, organizations and institutions. According to the same E. Kuzekbai, in the period of independence, the order of 890 institutions of health care, education, culture, sports and physical-geographical objects was renamed. In May, 2000, one of the leaders of the Onomastic Commission of the Chimkent Region, K. Duseymbi, at a briefing, said that he had renamed 200 streets for his life, but 800 streets still remained in Russian.

In Alma-Ata to 1980, the Kazakhs made up the entire 1 / 10 population, and more than 80% of the street and city names were Russian. But by 2008, the picture had changed to the exact opposite - 80% of all titles became Kazakh.

One of the last major renaming took place in 2007 on June 16 at a meeting held in Semipalatinsk, President N. Nazarbayev proposed to rename the city Semey, citing negative associations with the move with the 1949-1989 operating here. Semipalatinsk nuclear test site, which scare away foreign investors and potential tourists. According to him, the new name should also enhance the role of the Kazakh language and statehood. The proposal was favorably received by the onomastic commission, as well as by the majority of the population of the city, among whose residents the share of Kazakhs increased to 60% over the years of independence. The city council voted unanimously to rename, and 21 of June 2007 issued a presidential decree, according to which Semipalatinsk received a new name Semey.

Constant reproaches of the Kazakh intelligentsia against the authorities, who do not want to change the remaining Russian toponyms to Kazakh, suggest that the renaming policy will continue. According to the deputy of the parliament, the chairman of the party of the national association “Kazak eli” E. Abylkasymova, the modern youth “do not need a constant reminder of the sufferings of the Kazakh people in the past, that we have been under the heel of another, more powerful people for almost three centuries”. Therefore, it is necessary to rename the “inherited from the past” cities of Petropavlovsk, Pavlodar, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Kyzylorda, as well as such “meaningless names as Novorybinka, Elizavetinka, Sosnovka, Peterfeld, etc.”.

The Kazakh press repeatedly discussed the issue of renaming Pavlodar and Petropavlovsk. The newspaper “Zhas Kazak” in the article “To whom are the roads - Pavlov's“ gifts ”?”, Justifying the need for renaming, referred to the statement of President N.A. Nazarbayev, who told 10 years ago at a meeting with representatives of the Kazakh intelligentsia, that “onomastic issues will always be in the center of attention of the country's leadership. And there is nothing to look around timidly around. The names inherited from the colonial times, affecting directly the honor and dignity of our people, inappropriate to the old historical names of the area, sounding discordant ear, must be changed. ”

For the time being, the fear of increasing the emigration of the Slavic population, which still accounts for about a quarter of the population of the republic, but keeps at the same time the backbone of skilled workers and engineering and technical personnel, is keeping the mass change of Russian names to Kazakh Kazakhstan. A complete rejection of Russian-language names, justified by the need to combat the colonial heritage, will further enhance the alienation of Russians from the Kazakh state and the title ethnic group. To enhance migration attitudes among the Slavic population, the change of toponymy will create a more “favorable" psychological background.

Why did it take to voice the idea of ​​renaming Kazakhstan into “Kazak el?”

The main reason, apparently, is the desire to distance itself from other “stans” - the republics of Central Asia, which gained independence in 1991, as well as Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Most of them combine political and economic instability, creating a negative image of the entire region in the eyes of the global expert and political community. Kazakhstan, which has achieved some success on the path of social and economic development, with the help of a name change wants to emphasize that it does not belong to this “belt of instability”. In addition, the change of name will be a kind of summing up the results of the reign of N.A. Nazarbayev, emphasizing his achievements on the way to building the Kazakh national state.
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  1. zemlyak
    zemlyak 16 February 2014 07: 10
    -31%
    Pavlodar - Kerek ...
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 16 February 2014 10: 33
      +49
      Quote: Author Alexander Shustov
      According to the deputy of the parliament, the chairman of the party of the national association "Cossack Eli" E. Abylkasymov, modern youth "does not need a constant reminder of the suffering of the Kazakh people in the past, that we have been under the heel of another, more powerful people for almost three centuries."


      After these words, I personally regret that the white king accepted the khans of the younger and middle zhuzes into his citizenship after their numerous requests. Maybe it would be better if everything went as it went, and the Jungars would slaughter Kazakhs. Probably the Jungars would be a more grateful people.

      Russia has not raped anything from these nomads, it has only spent its resources on the construction of cities, schools, hospitals, factories, oil fields - TOTAL. Now they are trading us our same cosmodrome.

      Three hundred times you need to think before you help. And then in the same Asia there are still many in need with claims that Russia helped them a little. Russians were overpowered and in need.

      Always think whether you will be damned for your work, for your knowledge and your penny, for your generosity and kindness.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 16 February 2014 10: 38
        -43%
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        Maybe it would be better if everything went as it went, and the Jungars would slaughter Kazakhs

        Tales
      2. July
        July 16 February 2014 11: 19
        +16
        Probably the Jungars would be a more grateful people.

        Kalmyks are jungars. During the Second World War, they actively collaborated with the Germans. When the Germans retreated, they went with them without a trace, then thought better of it and returned women, children, old men from halfway. They very much thanked Russia for allowing them to settle in it, after the Chinese drove them out, cutting out a million people, and in other states of Central Asia they drove them away, even not letting them in on the threshold.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 16 February 2014 12: 04
          +17
          Quote: July
          They very much thanked Russia for allowing them to settle in it, after the Chinese drove them out, cutting out a million people, and in other states of Central Asia they drove them away, even not letting them in on the threshold.

          Another "indigenous" people who settled in Russia quite recently, but took root already up to the tonsils.
        2. Alexandr0id
          Alexandr0id 16 February 2014 16: 11
          -6
          about "permission to settle in Russia" - just like from a history textbook for the 6th grade, they directly pleaded with the white king, ha-ha. The Kalmyks did not ask anyone in particular, they actually soaked the Siberian Khanate, and not the Yermak (as is commonly believed), it was they who jacked up the Bashkirs so much that they went to the Moscow kingdom, and they also got rid of the Nogai and occupied their lands. and communication with the Russian tsar was of a notification nature, they say, so and so, we galloped over and will now live here, kiss.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 16 February 2014 16: 15
            +9
            Quote: Alexandr0id
            they say, so and so, we galloped and will now live here, kiss.

            Did the Circassians communicate with the Tsar too? So they say and so, we leave for Turkey, kiss.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 16 February 2014 16: 23
            +4
            [quote = Alexandr0id] communication with the Russian tsar was of a notification nature, they say, so and so, we galloped and will now live here, kiss.

            The tsar was delighted with a handful of steppes and they lived happily ever after, though more than half went back in 1771, and the rest were ordered in the 40s of the banal century .....
          3. Firebox
            Firebox 20 February 2014 22: 36
            -1
            Yes, by the way, I recently took history textbooks to read from them in Russia, they write such nonsense, they push "voluntary colonization" everywhere and the fact that these peoples were soooo happy with this colonization, and they just expose us as wild animals as if they lived in caves and they brought us fire and other benefits)
      3. blizart
        blizart 16 February 2014 12: 05
        +27
        Your historical examples are somewhat bloodthirsty and ... have taken place, but your conclusions are a little divorced from the historical process itself. How much and with what did the USSR pay for the creation of a strong, friendly and (offensive to the people) buffer state from Western Europe - Poland? How does the fraternal country “thank” for the Crimea, donated as a sign of eternal friendship? In addition to the cosmodrome, we also took upon ourselves and honestly carried part of our "nuclear club". This did not add to our health and understanding. But we do not shkhnim as the same Balts, but signed an agreement of eternal friendship and believe us you can go to the exploration with us, we are very "spirited" and loyal. I observe the process of displacement of the Russian meaning (not only the language) - from the inside, because I live in the South of Kazakhstan. As a person of Russian culture, I follow trends very carefully and biasedly; for me personally, they are sad. But your ancestors, who only considered action to be the yardstick of everything, created a huge cultural reserve, this in the medium term will not allow the influence of the Russian people to be nullified. It is not necessary to remember only your generosity "in vain" because it is an integral and organic part of the Russian soul. For this we love YOU in this crazy crazy world
        PS My fellow countryman Viktor An increased the glory of Russia - he took gold at the OLYMPIAD !!! Our answer to Curzon!
        1. July
          July 16 February 2014 12: 13
          +4
          “In addition to the cosmodrome, we also took upon ourselves and honestly carried part of our“ nuclear baton. ”This did not add to our health and understanding. But we will not shrink like the same Balts, but signed an agreement of eternal friendship and Believe with us you can go to the reconnaissance, we are very "spirited" and loyal."
          ----------------------------------------------
          In the USSR, I could still say so, but not about everyone, but I can’t say that about people poisoned by nationalism in your country. And I won’t go into intelligence with you.
          It is easy for Nazism to destroy trust, but now try to restore it.
          1. blizart
            blizart 16 February 2014 12: 30
            +4
            We have enough volunteers in the intelligence of big things. The good news for you is that in our intelligence only in Russian, well, helicopter pilots will not understand, they are Russian.
            1. redcod
              redcod 17 February 2014 09: 35
              +1
              Nikolay Sainovich Maidanov (in some publications also referred to as Kairbolat [1] [2] and Kairgeldy [3] [4] Sainovich Maydanov) (Kazakh. Nikolay Saynigly Maidanov) (February 7, 1956, Taskuduk, Dzhambeytinsky District, Ural Region, Kazakh SSR, USSR - January 29, 2000, Argun Gorge, Chechnya, Russian Federation) - Hero of the Soviet Union, Hero of the Russian Federation, commander of the 325th separate combat transport helicopter regiment, colonel.
          2. Firebox
            Firebox 20 February 2014 22: 40
            0
            it is we who must return confidence and is our nationalism? uhs ... look in the wrong eye for the sorinets but don’t notice the logs in your own eyes (well, I don’t remember exactly what is in your proverb, but the meaning is clear)
        2. the polar
          the polar 16 February 2014 17: 42
          +4
          Quote: blizart
          I observe the process of displacement of the Russian meaning (not only the language) - from the inside, because I live in the South of Kazakhstan. As a person of Russian culture, I follow trends very carefully and biasedly; for me personally, they are sad. But your ancestors, who only considered action to be the yardstick of everything, created a huge cultural reserve, this in the medium term will not allow the influence of the Russian people to be nullified. It is not necessary to remember only your generosity "in vain" because it is an integral and organic part of the Russian soul. For this we love YOU in this crazy crazy world
          PS My fellow countryman Viktor An increased the glory of Russia - he took gold at the OLYMPIAD !!! Our answer to Curzon!

          Well, so we will choose you as the next Kazakhstani president
      4. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 16 February 2014 14: 46
        +12
        Quote: Nikolay S.

        Three hundred times you need to think before you help. And then in the same Asia there are still many in need with claims that Russia helped them a little. Russians were overpowered and in need.

        The majority of Kazakhs are lazy, do not want to work and will not. Let them forgive me, but it is a fact.
        1. ekzorsist
          ekzorsist 16 February 2014 22: 09
          0
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          The majority of Kazakhs are lazy, do not want to work and will not. Let them forgive me, but it is a fact.

          This is not just a fact - but an everyday, everyday reality!
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            Refugee from Kazakhstan 17 February 2014 15: 04
            -3
            Well, run from there! Who is holding you? We’ll answer - because you are not needed in Russia either, because you are lazy and passive. I even know that you will write in the 12th paragraph of the application for refugee status in the FMS (you will probably write that the wild Kazakhs raped you)!
        2. beifall
          beifall 18 February 2014 17: 11
          0
          Ukrainians are especially working, in Iraq on BTR -4 turned upside down ............ drunk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In 1991, VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Ukraine was 51 million, and now 44 million 950 thousand !!!!!!!!! Potency at work has run out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or on the Maidan !!!!!!!!! do not shoot there zapadentsy and oriental or whatever you are !!!!!!!!!!!!!
      5. antibanukurayza
        antibanukurayza 17 February 2014 14: 56
        +2
        Russian McFall showed up with his "Russian exclusivity."
      6. Firebox
        Firebox 20 February 2014 22: 28
        -2
        yes yes) because you know more Russian from Russia than we Kazakhs and Russians in Kazakhstan
        firstly no one supports renaming a country
        and secondly, what is your pig job, what are we doing in our country?
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 16 February 2014 10: 52
      -11%
      There are no jokes with Kazakhstan! laughing
      Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 16 February 2014 10: 56
        +37
        Quote: siberalt
        Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?

        Well, actually these are Koreans
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 16 February 2014 11: 05
          +15
          Quote: Clegg
          Well, actually these are Koreans

          whom you explain, a hundred times laid out a million times they said that the Koreans, and things are still there.)))
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        3. siberalt
          siberalt 16 February 2014 11: 12
          -10%
          But the inscription is consistent.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 16 February 2014 11: 18
            +14
            Quote: siberalt
            But the inscription is consistent.


            Do not insult the memory of Kazakh veterans.
          2. alatau_09
            alatau_09 16 February 2014 12: 57
            +14
            This trolley photo of yours belongs to the Kazakhs as well as your icon to your nickname, and even more so says a lot about your knowledge and education ...
            and in general, who cares about what we want to call our state? we do not climb to you with our charter?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 16 February 2014 13: 05
              +4
              Quote: alatau_09
              This trolley photo of yours belongs to the Kazakhs as well as your icon to your nickname, and even more so says a lot about your knowledge and education ...
              and in general, who cares about what we want to call our state? we do not climb to you with our charter?


              Come on, comrade joked and that's it, pay less attention to it.
          3. kush62
            kush62 22 February 2014 18: 07
            0
            But the inscription is consistent.

            And how many inscriptions on the fences.
        4. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 16 February 2014 13: 19
          +1
          Quote: Clegg
          Quote: siberalt
          Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?
          Well, actually these are Koreans

          "Find ten differences" laughing
      2. Aydar
        Aydar 16 February 2014 11: 06
        +2
        is it dpr or chinese
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 16 February 2014 11: 08
        +8
        Quote: siberalt
        Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?

        This is not a medal, this is armor from enemy arrows.
      4. safon
        safon 16 February 2014 12: 20
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        There are no jokes with Kazakhstan!


        You don’t understand anything. This is body armor with an upgrade of level 80 SVL.
      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 13: 33
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        There are no jokes with Kazakhstan! Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?

        it's actually Koreans, northern
        1. dropout
          dropout 16 February 2014 20: 52
          +7
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: siberalt
          There are no jokes with Kazakhstan! Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?

          it's actually Koreans, northern

          And these are they, along with their chief
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 16 February 2014 22: 21
            +17
            All these "gestures" of the National Academy of Sciences with the renaming of the country were done in order to distract people from the most important "news" - devaluation. Only in the fall did the authorities say that they were not planning anything like this. Whoever walks under the pressure of a loan cannot be envied. For merchants at least 3 months sales are not to be seen. The government has already announced that from April they will raise salaries for public sector employees by 10%, and within 2 years they will grow from 36% to 50%.
            Although all this could be foreseen. It began in the summer with rumors and buying up currency by the population. Then NAS and Pres. nat. Marchenko Bank made statements on the stability of the tenge. Then, in the fall, Marchenko is removed and appointed Kelimbetov (he was in charge of the economic sector). And the last hesitation grew. ruble led to the devaluation of 20%. And what now, if the ruble sags further, then we will have to devalue the tenge (although the authorities say that they took the course with a margin - arrivals)?
            Here I sit and think. And with a common currency, are such actions of the authorities possible or not? I think not - it means it is needed. Although at first there will probably be only b / n. Then, probably, parallel circulation of cash nat. and common currency. By and large, people need stability in this regard (and so, people just got into the pocket of power; oligarchs are made even richer and people are poorer).
            Personally, I am against renaming. They have few problems. Yes, and we are all used to calling ourselves Kazakhstanis. hi
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 17 February 2014 08: 08
              +4
              Quote: Kasym
              Then NAS and Pres. nat. Bank Marchenko made statements about stability ...

              As soon as the authorities declare stability, wait for trouble. Such a sign.
              1. kush62
                kush62 22 February 2014 18: 10
                0
                Then NAS and Pres. nat. Bank Marchenko made statements about stability ...

                As soon as the authorities declare stability, wait for trouble. Such a sign.

                He already put one such hand on the rails. Well, on us too ...
            2. atalef
              atalef 17 February 2014 15: 08
              0
              Quote: Kasym
              And the last hesitation grew. ruble led to the devaluation of 20%. And what now, if the ruble sags further, then we will have to devalue the tenge (although the authorities say that they took the course with a margin - arrivals)?

              I read it here.
              Experts say that all the prerequisites and motives for such a step have been obvious for several months. This is a total weakening of the currencies of the BRICS countries, primarily Russia. And the loss in the struggle for the stability of the exchange rate of billions of dollars from gold and foreign exchange resources. Finally, the growth of imports of consumer goods from neighboring countries, mainly due to the "currency protectionism" of partners in the Customs Union.

              Recently, Kazakhstan has become, if not a "bottomless barrel", then a "gold mine" for Russian and Belarusian business. Food and consumer goods were delivered here in large quantities duty-free. And back, in fact, "cheap" dollars were imported.


              those. as I understand it, one of the main reasons for the devaluation of the tenge is the TS and the behavior of the countries included in the TS (i.e., the Russian Federation and Belarus)
              Is this true (in your opinion)?
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 17 February 2014 15: 53
                0
                On the box, one economist explained this. 1. The global premise of the abolition of quantitative easing in the United States and dollars began to flow from emerging markets, including from Kazakhstan (the less dollars the more expensive) 2.TS borders are open to an influx of cheaper goods from Russia and Belarus the loss of their own market (the more expensive the tenge it’s easier to sell the goods and convert them into foreign currency) 3. The local reason for the beginning of the year is exactly the tax payments of exporters-subsoil users (20% of their gain when paying taxes to the budget in tenge and the proceeds are in dollars). In general, there are many reasons, but what’s annoying how this is done is overnight, and not gradually over 3-4 weeks. (Deposits and pension savings have subsided by 20%, the same as there is no gut, the population will again run away to the dollar )
                1. atalef
                  atalef 17 February 2014 16: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Semurg
                  ) 2.TS borders are open to an influx of cheaper goods from Russia and Belarus and the loss of their own market (the more expensive the tenge, the easier it is to sell the product and convert it into foreign currency)

                  those. The TS created one of the problems that led to the devaluation. But in theory it should have been the other way around.

                  Quote: Semurg
                  but what’s annoying how it's done is overnight,

                  Well, in two nights it’s not possible to do it really (there will be a day in the middle), but to stretch .... You laugh the next day after the start of * soft * devaluation, people would have demolished all the currency in exchangers
                  1. Semurg
                    Semurg 17 February 2014 18: 32
                    0
                    Yes, as that economist said, one of the reasons for the TS, the idea has not yet worked out. According to devaluation, a soft devaluation was needed, people would not have taken the exchangers (he has free tenge at most for a yard in dollars), and deposits in banks would simply be converted into dollar ones. And so it turns out their currency, tenge is killed undermining confidence in it, dropping its rate by 20% in one night.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 17 February 2014 18: 41
                      +2
                      Quote: Semurg
                      Yes, as that economist said, one of the reasons for the TS, the idea has not yet worked out.


                      How will it work? If the uterus (RF) has no less problems
                      Quote: Semurg
                      According to devaluation, a soft devaluation was needed, people would not have taken the exchangers (he has free tenge at most for a yard in dollars), and deposits in banks would simply be converted into dollar ones.

                      You laugh, problems would not begin when people would begin to change cash on hand, and when they would begin to withdraw and exchange deposits. Then - panic, lack of cash and even greater panic, the dollar would take off (with rush demand not by 20% but at times - maybe)
                      Therefore, based on the situation, the solution was correct - a one-time devaluation of 9, I would even say with some margin) - I hope the latter.
                      Although, again, how things will go in the Russian Federation. Do not forget, Belarus the same soon it will pass
                      In general, as I see trade wars in the TS - this is a fact. And everything seemed to be so beautifully explained.
                      Wait for the response of the Government of the Kyrgyz Republic and the restriction of imports (the introduction of duties) - the market cannot be protected otherwise, but this is paralysis of the TS --- which was to be proved - more precisely, that I wrote another 8 months back - having received a cloud of minuses.
                      1. Semurg
                        Semurg 17 February 2014 19: 07
                        +1
                        Why run to the bank to cash out a deposit, and then change the cash to dollars when you can calmly transfer a deposit from tenge to dollar at the bank. It is profitable and the bank does not have an outflow of deposits. It is profitable and people do not lose sharply in savings. This is beneficial and the state does not lose confidence in its money (thirst is nothing - image is everything laughing ) Well, the fact that the opponents of the TS got a bunch of minuses is like hello, the Russians do not like to hear opinions different from theirs, as well as all the others laughing . The fact that the situation in Russia greatly affects us is a fact, and with the creation of the TS will affect even more. But maybe this is for the better, many will remove pink glasses to the TC account.
                      2. Zymran
                        Zymran 17 February 2014 19: 27
                        +4
                        Quote: Semurg
                        But maybe this is for the better, many will remove pink glasses to the TC account.


                        In the meantime, lace panties will be removed. laughing
                      3. Semurg
                        Semurg 17 February 2014 19: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Zymran
                        Quote: Semurg
                        But maybe this is for the better, many will remove pink glasses to the TC account.


                        In the meantime, lace panties will be removed. laughing

                        yes women will have sadness laughing
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                    2. Dmitriy1975
                      Dmitriy1975 19 February 2014 22: 43
                      0
                      You always have somebody to blame, then the Russian Empire, then the USSR, then Russia and maybe you shouldn't blame the mirror if the "mug" is a curve?
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          3. Kasym
            Kasym 17 February 2014 20: 46
            +2
            Alexander, good evening. They do not devalue for the first time. Another thing is how this happens. All the signs appeared in the summer (then everything that I had, I converted). But the authorities, like the stubborn ones, insisted that the tenge would be stable. But then devaluation occurs. It turns out CHECKED.
            About the vehicle. Kazakhstan ALWAYS monitored the state of the Russian economy. For example, Nazarbayev (NAS) always said that the investment climate and taxes would be "better" in Kazakhstan (VAT in Russia is 18%, in Kazakhstan 12%, etc.) AND RUBLE RATE ALL THE TIME WAS IN THE CENTER OF ATTENTION OF OUR CB. The problem for the RC in the vehicle is as follows. As I wrote above, the National Academy of Sciences monitors the investment climate in Kazakhstan. Therefore, many "barriers" have been removed. For example, paperwork. In Russia, the requirements are stricter, therefore, when exporting there, such certification is required, which has not been in Kazakhstan for a long time. And while this is a problem - everything that the Russians want is brought to us, but we still have problems. But everyone already knows - NAS has tried. Therefore, I think it will be resolved. And the Russian Federation is interested in the vehicle. For example, Asket wrote that at the meeting on Baikonur, Putin instructed to remove all questions about the cosmodrome, even against the interests of the Russian Federation.
            And if you look at the root of the problem of devaluation. That she is in uncontrolled printing DOLLAR. It turns out we have to swallow dollar inflation. WE CAN'T KEEP A DOLLAR COURSE IF IT IS WEAK. ONLY A STRONG ECONOMY CAN OPPOSE, AS THE PRC AND EU. THEREFORE, THE COMMON CURRENCY WILL BE STRONGER, AS THE ECONOMY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION + RK + RB WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN THE ECONOMY OF KAZAKHSTAN. hi
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  3. Bur39
    Bur39 17 February 2014 00: 42
    0
    if anything, then this is Korea .. although the essence is true
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  • Sars
    Sars 17 February 2014 06: 13
    +5
    Where did the word to Kerek come from? In the floodplain of the Irtysh in the Omsk province there was a Cossack (from the word Cossacks) settlement of Koryakovka, named after its founder, my ancestors lived in it before the revolution. It is believed that the city of Pavlodar began its existence from this village. Natives could not pronounce the word "Koryakovka", they did it - "kireku".
    Now it is believed that Kerek is Pavlodar in Kazakh.

    I once asked my late grandfather, how many Kazakhs were there? To which he received an answer: there were practically none - separate settlements at great distances, and extremely few in number.
  • Name
    Name 16 February 2014 07: 15
    +6
    Let it be yourself "Cossack Eli" , if only the debts of Kazakhstan did not go away as in the case of bankruptcy .... although after that (do not let ...) it will remain there .. repeat Kazakhstan's external debt in January-September of the 2013 year increased from 136,925 billion to 147,965 billion recourse
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 16 February 2014 09: 46
      +22
      Yes, I'm generally against renaming cities, streets! As they say, it’s not built by you, and it’s not for you to rename it, it’s better to build a new street or city and call it what you want — what a fantasy! Already passed this: Tver, Orenburg, Naberezhnye Chelny, etc. Also renamed so what? fool
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 16 February 2014 10: 17
        +3
        Quote: predator.3
        Yes, I'm generally against renaming cities, streets! As they say, it’s not built by you, and it’s not for you to rename it, it’s better to build a new street or city and call it what you want — what a fantasy! Already passed this: Tver, Orenburg, Naberezhnye Chelny, etc. Also renamed so what? fool

        Yeah, and then what onomasts in their commission will do! wassat
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        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 16 February 2014 10: 30
          -2
          Quote: Asgard
          Therefore, there was a "STAN" of the Russian People and they were in control ...

          What are you talking about ??? What does the word stan have to do with Russian ??? This is the Persian ending !!!!
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 16 February 2014 11: 19
            +18
            Quote: Yeraz
            mill

            ОmillSheep millOK, milla vegetable.
            And I would like to ask you, Ali, the question, are you playing too often on the contradictions between the Kazakhs and the Russians, while being an Azerbaijani? It seems to me. the gap in the relationship must be covered, not widened. hi
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 16 February 2014 17: 51
              -7
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Stop, machine, camp.

              So a person claims that the prefix Stan of the Cossacks is sacred with this, but this is not so. This is a Persian theme. Then the rest are not camps ?? After all, the Russians stood everywhere.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And I would like to ask you, Ali, the question, are you playing too often on the contradictions between the Kazakhs and the Russians, while being an Azerbaijani?

              I play ??? My first comment was well done by the Cossacks. And if the Cossacks come running and carry nonsense, then excuse me, they taught me how to help my brother, and how to trample him. If you haven’t noticed, I also react to the topic of the Caucasus, Muslims and Turkey.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              It seems to me. the gap in the relationship must be covered, not widened.

              I don’t write hey Cossack, look what’s written in Russian, on the contrary, I’m writing in Russian that he’s a srach and you’re lying here and there. I’m for the truth.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 17: 54
                +12
                Quote: Yeraz
                Camp by Caza (X)Кs

                but let's still write according to the rules of the Russian language and not distort the language from the principles and the desire to "bite"
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 34
                  -3
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  but let's still write according to the rules of the Russian language and not distort the language from the principles and the desire to "bite"

                  I write according to the correctness of the actual, and not invented. The fact that in the tsarist time Azerbaijanis were called Tatars because of this they did not become so, though Stalin forced us to stop calling ourselves Turks and tied, the territorial principle of the name, and not the national one.
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                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 18: 43
                    +4
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    I write according to the validity of the actual, not invented

                    sorry excuse yourself, this will not add respect to you.
                    It is precisely because of the ethnic conflicts that you have that arise, you live in Russia, are on our forum, write in Russian, but fundamentally be rude to Russian
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      It is precisely because of the ethnic conflicts that you have that arise, you live in Russia, are on our forum, write in Russian, but fundamentally be rude to Russian

                      To go nuts calling Cossack as he calls himself, and not as Russians is an insult to Russians ???? Well, go treat your head.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 18: 53
                        +4
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        To go nuts calling Cossack as he calls himself, and not as Russians is an insult to Russians ???? Well, go treat your head.

                        Once again, are you really .... or are you just fooling around? !!!
                        let's write a Cossack, but even then in place orys you need to write Russian, but what about the English-speaking peoples for them "Y" is like a sickle in one place
                      2. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 16 February 2014 20: 27
                        +4
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        but what about the English-speaking peoples for them "Y" is like a sickle in one place

                        Because the Poles with their Latin alphabet are forced to abandon this beechAfka laughing good
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        2. Setrac
          Setrac 16 February 2014 11: 20
          +13
          Quote: Yeraz
          What are you talking about ??? What does the word stan have to do with Russian ??? This is the Persian ending !!!!


          Since the end of the XNUMXth century, there are administrative-territorial units into which counties in Russia were divided. In the XNUMXth century, in the Bryansk district, the Komaritsky volost was divided into camps. In the XVII century, in the Vazhsky district, the chets (quarters, quarterly boards) were divided into camps, and in the Ustyugsky district - thirds.

          This suggests that the Persian and Russian languages ​​came from the same root. In any case, this is not a Turkic word.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 16 February 2014 11: 59
            +3
            Quote: Setrac
            in Russia. In the XNUMXth century, in the Bryansk district, the Komaritsky volost was divided into camps.


            In Russian, "stan" has many meanings: parking lot, rolling mill, maiden camp, bailiff, etc.

            But here you are, like a Komarino peasant, telling me the news. I wonder where they got it from?
            1. Both Bryansk and Komarichi became part of Russia only in 1500, formally even at 1503m. From the composition of Lithuania. And this is the 16th century.
            2. At the time of the county division of this territory, the Komaric parish was part of the Sevsky district. Bryansk is far away. A little later he entered the Sevsky province. baryshnikovphotography.com/bertewor/Sevsky_ county
            3. The camp is not related to administrative division. It is related to judicial division. Lip, camp, lab camp, laborer, bailiff.
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 16 February 2014 17: 51
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            In any case, this is not a Turkic word.

            Ash stump, otherwise it makes sense to change))
          3. smersh70
            smersh70 16 February 2014 23: 21
            +2
            Quote: Setrac
            This suggests that the Persian and Russian languages ​​came from the same root.

            if this statement, then I just have no words ........
          4. atillaxnumx
            atillaxnumx 16 February 2014 23: 31
            +4
            Administrative-territorial units in Iran-ostan. The word "stan" in Russian is not the same thing. But this is not a Turkic word - it is true.
        3. Ascetic
          Ascetic 16 February 2014 15: 05
          +11
          Quote: Yeraz
          What does the word stan have to do with Russian ??? This is a Persian ending !!!!


          More precisely Indo-European, the root in complex words, which in some languages ​​has become a suffix, denoting "country".
          Stan - in the Russian state of the 14-16th centuries. administrative-territorial unit. 2) In Russia, from the 2nd quarter of the 19th century. administrative-police district of several volosts, headed by the bailiff. In districts, there were 2-3 camps.

          Etymology
          Comes from praslav. * Stan, from the cat. Among other things occurred: Russian-Church-Glory. stan (dr. Greek παρεμβολή), Ukrainian. camp (rod. p. y) "state, camp", Bulgarian. stan (at) “stan (camp); camp (girlish); machine ", Serbohorv. stan (clan st. stan, local unit stan) “housing; loom; (military.) rate ", Slovensk. stȃn (genus stȃna, stanȗ) “building, dwelling, corral; torso; condition ", Czech., Slovak. stan "tent, tent", Polish. stan "state, position; rank; staff, composition; waist ", V.-puddles., N.-puddles. stan "tent". Star glory. based on -u, akin to lit. stónas "condition" (borrowed.?), other ind. sthā́nam cf. R. "Place, place of stay", ave., Al-pers. stāna- “stand, place, stall”, new person sitān (from where the tour. Türkistan, Türkmenistan), Greek. δύστηνος, dor. δύστᾱνος (* δύσστᾱνος "in poor condition"), Greek. ἄστηνος "unfortunate", then to become the same here, Dr.-in-German. stân, stên "stand"

          Викисловарь
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 16 February 2014 18: 29
            +2
            Quote: Ascetic
            Stan - in the Russian state of the 14-16th centuries. administrative territorial unit.
            ... Wiktionary

            Wikipedia is not the best reading. So before that, Setrac quoted Wikipedia - and where is the truth?

            But your quote goes back to the Great Encyclopedic Dictionary. She poses more questions than gives answers. There are no camps in the 1550 judicial system; there are governors who are governors in cities and rural municipality volosts. Then Ivan the Terrible carried out a reform. Labial districts and elected labial elders appeared, obeying the Robbery order. But it is not so easy to deal with camps. In the scientific literature on this issue, some are in the forest, some are for firewood, incl. with dating.

            Take, for example, the Komaritsa volost mentioned by Setrac. Here she is:
            Sevsky district. Mills: 1. Brasovsky (where Lokot and the notorious "capital" RONA), 2. Glodnevsky, 3. Radogozhsky, 4. Chemizhsky (Where False Dmitry, Bolotnikov). Note: the palace volosts Komaritskaya and Krupetskaya are named in the diagram.
            The volost (specifically this one) obeys the Palace Order, but carries military duties in the Sevsky Uyezd, where the voivode sits, who obeys the Rank Order. Attention, a question? Who obeys the camps, of which there are four on the territory of the county (and volost), provided that part of the settlements of these camps belong to the Bryansk district? What are these units?

            There were still Yaman camps obeying the Yamskiy order - but this is so, of course.

            sevsk32.ru/bylinspast/8/49/
            A good article here: www.plam.ru/hist/devjat_vekov_yuga_moskvy_mezhdu_filjami_i_brateevom/p3.php
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 16 February 2014 19: 58
              +4
              Nikolay! I will not argue with you about the times of Ivan the Terrible in terms of administrative management, because I do not have enough knowledge of the topic, but the fact that the police position bailiff was established in 1837. and existed until 1917. not questioned. So, it’s become a stan as an administrative unit and as a concept already existed earlier in Russia. But haven’t they been sucked out of a finger? Why not name, for example, the Zemsky or county bailiff?
              Here's what TSB says about this
              Stan, 1) in Russia in the 11-17th centuries. the name of the military camp, which was usually set up in an elevated place and fortified with carts (kolymyhagami), tyn (fence), less often a moat and earthen rampart. 2 places
              long stops while traveling or traveling. Such Stan (camps) were known in Russia from the 11th century. They preceded the later Yamskoy and Postal Stan 3) Places of stay of officials of the feudal administration, where they collected tribute and carried out the trial of the surrounding population. The establishment of such Stan, according to legend recorded in the 11th century, dates back to the reign of Princess Olga (mid-10th century). Initially, representatives of the feudal authorities appeared on the Stan periodically, in time for the payment of duties by the population. In the 14-15 centuries. The camp was also called the territory under the jurisdiction of these representatives of princely power, and the Stan turned into an administrative-territorial unit; since the end of the 15th century - part of the county. In the 16-17 centuries. The camp was formed in the newly established border districts of the Russian state (Simbirsk, Tambov, etc.). Stan as territorial units existed in Russia until the beginning of the 20th century. 4) Since 1837, a police territorial unit in a county, usually each with twoa Stan
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 16 February 2014 20: 12
                +3
                Now for the Judiciary. In the Judicial Codex of Ivan the Great (Saint) of 3.

                The territory of the Russian state was divided into counties, and counties, in turn, on camps and volosts. The governor governed the county, and the volostel controlled the camp or volost. Viceroys and volostelites were appointed by the Grand Duke. Their main task was the production of a trial of the population, the maintenance of defensive structures and the fight against robberies. Viceroys were appointed for one to two years. They did not receive a salary, but were provided with everything necessary at the expense of the subservient population. Some court fees also came in their favor. Thus, the governors received territory for feeding, fed from them. The appointment to the post of governor or volostel was an encouragement from the Grand Duke and made it possible for servicemen to improve their financial situation. Such an order led to the abuse of governors, to the fact that they simply robbed the population subordinate to them. To combat this phenomenon, special norms were introduced - the letters indicated how much and what the governor may require from the population. However, this did not eliminate abuses - the usual complaints of the population against governors and volosts were common.
                linkAnd here is a historical document from the time of Ivan 3
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 16 February 2014 20: 15
                  +3
                  Statutory deed of Grand Duke Ivan Vasilyevich to residents of the Velsky camp of the Vazhsky district on the selection of heads, elders and the best people for the search for robbers and tribes, the punishment of them and the compilation of lists of executed robbers and property confiscated from them

                  From the Grand Duke Ivan Vasilyevich of All Russia to Vazhsky Uyezd in the Velsky camp.

                  Naturally they sent us a brow from the Velsky camp of Ondrejk Vasiliev, the son of Toshebolov and Senka Ivanov, the son of Pinyagin that you [in the Velsky camp] and in the volostekh [ro] s [bojniko] in [u] [ta] t [e ] I’m [r] about the village being robbed, and your bellies rob and kill many people to death, and steal, and many other people in your volostech robbers and Taty have in their possession, and to a lot of people robbers and Tatis with a robbery and a tatboy they come and the robe junk and tatba are brought to them.

                  And you would intermarry, having met with one another, would have committed three or four good people in the Velsky camp and in the volostekh in the heads of people who could be literate and who could not be literate, and people would be kind and at the same time, and elders with them and the best people, five or six people, but in the meantime in [those] townships of dashing people, Tatyans and robbers themselves [about] searched for our godmother without any cunning.

                  And where do you search for rogues and Taty or hto keep the rogues and Taty, or who come to the rogues and Taty and the junk and Tatba are brought to, and you used these rogues and Taty slaves between you and the abbots and priests, and deacons in the priesthood, and by the best people and the middle ones, and without exchange by all according to the cross.
                  Completely here
                2. Nicholas C.
                  Nicholas C. 16 February 2014 21: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  Now for the Judiciary. In the Judicial Codex of Ivan the Great (Saint) of 3. ... link

                  The left link is to some Petersburg institute of distance learning. There is no transition even to the table of contents. Who is author?

                  Here is the text (and comments) of the 1497 clerk himself: krotov.info/acts/16/2/pravo_01.htm
                  Where is it about the camps?
              2. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. 16 February 2014 20: 54
                +1
                Quote: Ascetic
                The police position of the bailiff was established in 1837. and existed until 1917. not questioned. Therefore, the camp as an administrative unit and as a concept already existed


                We do not argue. This is called jointly seeking the truth.

                The question is not whether the camps were in Russia, the question is what function they performed. Namely, such a question was formulated by me on the previous example. (Without touching pit, Cossack, etc. camps)

                Everything is clear with the bailiff. When this post appeared, obviously, in modern terms, the camp is the responsibility of the police department.

                What was the meaning of the camp before? Reading an encyclopedia is not constructive. Who wrote a short article there, what evidence base there is unknown.
                Hopefully looked at my previous links. It is obvious from them that the camp and the volost are different concepts. Moreover, the camp there belongs to two counties at once.
                But, for example, Tsarist Doctor of Science, professor of law, legal history specialist Sergeyevich Vasily Ivanovich writes that the camp and parish are synonyms: www.adhdportal.com/book_3231_chapter_21_I._Pravitelstvennoe_delenie.html
                I also overlooked that a number of historians have about camps - also each about their own.

                Here is the 1550 judge - no camps: lib.podelise.ru/docs/55432/index-1345-7.html
                And this is the main document, which then determined the legal relations in the country.

                To whom, when and how did the volost, county, governorate, province, province, governor general submit information. To whom did the camp submit? What hut? What order? What function did you carry?

                Quote: Ascetic
                Charter of the Grand Duke Ivan Vasilievich

                There, on your link, scientists ask about the same questions.
        4. Asgard
          Asgard 16 February 2014 16: 32
          +5
          Dear Ali!
          Quote: Yeraz
          What are you talking about ???
          You probably need to get used to what I am writing AS IS REALLY
          ... And the fact that you do not know, and most importantly, here write your disrespect for "KNOWLEDGE" and disrespect for People, it does not paint you)))


          Before something ETERNATES with a word on the Internet (or on paper), first think about whether YOU will be proud of it when your grandson reads grandfather's "imperishable" ...

          This is the second time you have behaved this way. Learn, my friend, and in the future, do not allow yourself to be told to you by a "big" adult ....

          I’m pulling with an article on Russian Language, (the stars are not so)), but when I post it, you should read it carefully, and there will be a request, do not comment on it (in this way)) there will be a number of provisions UNUSUAL to modern man (for several reasons )), but nevertheless they are Basic-code ... without them there will be no concept of everything that happened to us over the past thousand years ...

          You want to know? Or everyone should be measured according to their level. And not to perceive something that was not taught in childhood. Learn ALWAYS, don't make REPEATED "mistakes" ....
          BE THANKS to those around you, family and friends in the village, here on the forum, often say words of gratitude, that's all, in the end TOTAL will return to YOU)))))
        5. Qytayjuz
          Qytayjuz 17 February 2014 00: 53
          +2
          right, because there are other "countries" - Pakistan, Afghanistan, which were not part of the union
      3. 222222
        222222 16 February 2014 11: 15
        +3
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        FRIGATE2 (2) SU Today, 09:39 ↑ New

        wai wai wai. A general with a children's worldview, then let's move 100 pieces of Russians to Gibraltar and say that there are more Russians and Gibraltar is our land

        Frigate, remember Kosovo ......
      4. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 16 February 2014 13: 07
        +6
        Quote: Asgard
        Nazarbayev ... in the future ... will no longer be needed

        I am here periodically of modern Nostradamus - Artyom Dragunov - quote.
        Here is his next quote three weeks ago:
        "Events in Kazakhstan will begin as soon as. As soon as - already quickly. Already this year. Imagine what would have happened to Russia if Putin suddenly disappeared, or to Belarus if the dad would have fallen on skis instead of Shumi ... "
        From here: http://artemdragunov.livejournal.com/2944224.html
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 17 February 2014 11: 24
          0
          Quote: Mature Naturalist
          Quote: Asgard
          Nazarbayev ... in the future ... will no longer be needed

          I am here periodically of modern Nostradamus - Artyom Dragunov - quote.
          Here is his next quote three weeks ago:
          "Events in Kazakhstan will begin as soon as. As soon as - already quickly. Already this year. Imagine what would have happened to Russia if Putin suddenly disappeared, or to Belarus if the dad would have fallen on skis instead of Shumi ... "
          From here: http://artemdragunov.livejournal.com/2944224.html

          Kazaktar Zhuz begin the struggle for power, begin to cut each other and parallel to others. Russia, under the slogan of Russian protection, is occupying the north-east-west of Kazakhstan, leaving the Kazaktarg 3-4 southern regions over which the protectorate establishes. In the wake of this in Russia there is a patriotic upsurge that leads to growth in all areas of the economy, demography, science, etc. This is not the case your tuner tunic broadcasts, so it’s been heard in different variations for 20 years since the advent of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
          1. Mature naturalist
            Mature naturalist 17 February 2014 19: 55
            +1
            Did you understand what you wrote? I do not understand.
            And Dragunov writes that nothing lasts forever, even the most important highly respected Kazakh. May Allah extend his years (no kidding).
            1. Mature naturalist
              Mature naturalist 17 February 2014 22: 18
              0
              By the way, since Schumacher is mentioned, a stroke can be assumed.
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      5. xtur
        xtur 16 February 2014 13: 54
        +1
        One Turkic-speaking comrade claimed that “Kazak Eli” is pronounced as "Kazakh ale". If if this is true, then the new name is not at all as simple as being served
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 16 February 2014 14: 01
          +4
          Quote: xtur
          One Turkic-speaking comrade claimed that “Kazak Eli” is pronounced as "Kazakh ale". If if this is true, then the new name is not at all as simple as being served


          Kazakh ale is a kind of Kazakh beer, like English ale in a pub laughing
          1. xtur
            xtur 17 February 2014 10: 52
            +1
            > Kazakh ale is a kind of Kazakh beer, like English ale in a pub

            almost the entire wiki about this beer
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Эль_(социум):

            El (turks. ooze) - a specific form of organization of the state of the medieval Turkic-Mongolian peoples; a military-political organism uniting nomads under the rule of a dominant dynasty or tribal union (Eternal Turkic Ale, Kyrgyz ale).

            Monuments of the runic writing of the Central Asian empires of the Turkic peoples define this term as a social whole, social unity.

            The term "ale"Extremely polysemantic. This social category is known to us among many Turkic-speaking peoples in the meanings of 'community', 'set of people served.' According to L. N. Gumilyov, ale involves forcibly subjugating other tribes like the Latin "imperium" or Russian "power." S. V. Kiselyov understood by ale the unification of the aristocracy of various tribes into an organizationally united tradition borrowed from the same tribal system by the aristocratic stratum. V.V. Trepavlov understands by ale estate-administrative structures of the military and clan nobility, which could unite and know the conquered tributaries.
      6. Magadan
        Magadan 17 February 2014 05: 31
        +8
        I was in Kazakhstan in 2011 and everything is even close not the way you write!
        1) I went through the customs at the airport and received the luggage in 15 minutes. For comparison, when we flew from Magadan to Moscow, we were buried in Sheremetyevo for an hour and a half — we were waiting for our luggage.
        2) I was amazed that in Kazakhstan I didn’t see ANY SQUIRTED FENCE
        3) I was amazed that in every roadside cafe there were wonderful clean toilets. In general, almost everywhere in Kazakhstan is pretty neat, and I drove from Balkhash right up to
        Russian border near the Urals.
        4) When we broke down on the road, local traffic cops REALLY helped us. They walked on the radio in advance to find a car that drove us back to Karaganda. In this case, to our resentment,
        they completely refused even fish and caviar with us in gratitude to accept
        5) The bus crossed the Russian-Kazakh border. It was night. Kazakh border guards got on the bus and selectively asked three people to show their bags. Russian women
        they drove everyone out into the street with the sleeping children, and for two hours they queued us in line
        6) In Kazakhstan, ALL roadside cafes and shops are open 24 hours. As soon as we crossed our border, everything was closed. Again - about toilets: Kazakhs for the first time, probably
        saw that there could be a wooden toilet next to the cafe where visitors go
        7) Let's go through the Urals. Native Russian warped fences and impassable dirt went to pain
        And you still claim that there is "bad leadership" in Kazakhstan ??? They MENTALITY cannot manage ??? !!! The level of service and civil service in Kazakhstan is in no way inferior to the same states. I am a patriot of Russia, but don't even start about our "management".
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 17 February 2014 10: 03
          -2
          The post itself, Basic, deleted for some reason ?? because of the mentality or what?)))
          I wrote about Ancient Russia ... When the Russian People ruled there. Do not confuse with modernity. Where did you see People in the Office ??? mostly -human

          Everyone knows about the field camp?!?! Or not))))
          An analogue was in Tartaria (the empire of the Rus)) - from there the names Pakistan, Afghanistan and so on and so forth))
          Russian People came to the place in the Kazakh steppe, equipped "STAN" and began to organize local tribes - they taught to build their latrines in a certain place, and not throughout the steppe))) introduced the breeding of sheep, horses, tried to organize agriculture, infrastructure, settled lifestyle - hence the word STAN.

          Today, KazakhStan lives in an information environment, if it doesn’t work out, the mentality has not changed at all))) yes, a cafe, yes toilets, Kazakhs built Astana)))))
          Or are they not Kazakhs ???? Someone is "different" and for himself))))
          That is the difference .......
          You confuse reality with the GREAT past (this is not patriotic))))
          1. Beck
            Beck 17 February 2014 14: 55
            +3
            Quote: Asgard
            Everyone knows about the field camp?!?! Or not))))
            An analogue was in Tartaria (empire of Rusov)) - from there the names Pakistan, Afghanistan and so on and so forth


            I have other information.

            Stan is an Iranian word and means Earth. I met a collection of Persian poems in Russian translation, there is a poem "Bu stan" and a translation of "Land of Flowers"

            When the Turks in the 1-6 centuries assimilated the descendants of the Aryans in the vastness of Kazakhstan, the Urals, the Volga region, Central Asia, then, as with any assimilation, the languages ​​were mixed. In Turkic dialects there are many words with Iranian roots. In the Kazakh language, probably about 20 percent, for clarity: the camp is the earth, nur is luminous, penetrated with light, the pusher is the wave and the names Rustam, Madi are also the names of the Aryans, the first name is the name of the hero, the middle name is the name of a certain Aryan king. Also, the main holiday of the Aryans Navruz, the New Year, which even Islam could not abolish, went into the life of the Turks.

            In the Kazakh language there is also a Turkic word meaning land - zher. But the Aryan camp became a symbol of the Turkic and Iranian-speaking countries. Kazakhstan is the land of the Kazakhs, Uzbekistan, Tatarstan, Afghanistan similarly.

            On this basis, the word Stan came to the Türks from the Iranian-speaking Aryans, and to the Russians from the Türks, like many other Türkisms in the Russian language. And already in the Russian language the word Stan acquired multiple meanings, not only as land, but also as a place - a field mill, a rolling mill, etc.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 17 February 2014 15: 19
              +2
              Quote: Beck
              When the Turks in the 1-6 centuries assimilated the descendants of the Aryans in the vastness of Kazakhstan, the Urals, the Volga region, Central Asia, then, as with any assimilation, the languages ​​were mixed.

              That is, you yourself know that the Türks are aliens here, and nevertheless insist on your autochthonousness!
              When the Turks assimilated the Aryans - this is normal, when the reverse process started - so immediately the Indo-Europeans became invaders and colonialists.
              Double standards in the spirit of the State Department propaganda industry?
              1. FRIGATE2
                FRIGATE2 17 February 2014 17: 32
                +2
                Quote: Setrac
                Double standards in the spirit of the State Department propaganda industry?

                if you are an adult, then stop writing children's things about the State Department.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 17 February 2014 17: 44
                  0
                  Quote: FRIGATE2
                  if you are an adult, then stop writing children's things about the State Department.

                  What kind of childish things are they? Western special services carry out anti-Russian and anti-Russian propaganda in the post-Soviet space. And some "friends" of Russia, willingly or unwillingly, contribute to this. Did I write a lie? I wrote the truth, Beck has double standards directed against the Russians.
                  Proceeding from its flag, I remembered the State Department, but could have drowned other sharagi - the CIA, the massad, mi5 and so on and so forth.
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 18 February 2014 08: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Beck has double standards against the Russians.


                    It’s on your sick (great-power) head it seems so. I constantly note that Russians are one of the Great Nations. The great one is because not all nations were able to create such a state as Russia. Russia is great for its history as well as England, France, India, China, etc.

                    Quote: Setrac
                    Proceeding from its flag, I remembered the State Department, but could have drowned other sharagi - the CIA, the massad, mi5 and so on and so forth.


                    I have already written how many times that changing a flag is a technical malfunction of some kind of conductor, Belain or something. In ten minutes, my flag can change three times. And what in these ten minutes I have time to hit the road here, from Kazakhstan to the United States and vice versa?

                    In general, you saw through me, your great power. I confess I am a recruited agent and send comments on this site to my owners. The CIA and the NSA pay me one pension per message. But I am a double agent, even multiple. I’m also an agent of the SVR and the FSB, they pay me one penny each. An agent of Mongolia, they themselves are generous, they pay me one tugrik each. Another agent of the Comoros, but for them I work for free, they have a strain on the budget. And in secret, only to you, I’m still an alien agent, but I work for them purely for ideological reasons.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 18 February 2014 11: 10
                      -4
                      Quote: Beck
                      but I work for them purely for ideological reasons.

                      These are all rotten excuses, how about this claim?

                      Quote: Beck
                      When the Turks in the 1-6 centuries assimilated the descendants of the Aryans in the vastness of Kazakhstan, the Urals, the Volga region, Central Asia, then, as with any assimilation, the languages ​​were mixed.

                      Quote: Setrac
                      When the Turks assimilated the Aryans - this is normal, when the reverse process started - so immediately the Indo-Europeans became invaders and colonialists.

                      Or are there not enough Turkic words in the Russian language to be considered as mixing?
                  2. FRIGATE2
                    FRIGATE2 18 February 2014 23: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: Setrac
                    What kind of childish things are they? Western special services carry out anti-Russian and anti-Russian propaganda in the post-Soviet space. And some "friends" of Russia, willingly or unwillingly, contribute to this. Did I write a lie? I wrote the truth, Beck has double standards directed against the Russians. Based on his flag, I remembered the State Department, but I could remember other sharags - the CIA, Massad, MI5 and so on and so forth.

                    your thoughts are not like the thoughts of an adult healthy person
                    in your head the conspiracy theory has taken over the whole brain and you look like a mentally ill person.
                    if you find yourself at a psychiatrist’s meta-examination and throw out such words in a personal conversation, they will immediately begin to treat you.

                    What the FSB and Putin vile organizations and parties are building you like it huh?
                    For you, as a Russian, a priori, Russian is good, Russian president is good, Russian intelligence is also good, because Russian.
                    for you, in the same way, a Russian maniac is good, a Russian killer is good, a Russian Nazi is also good, they brought the poor Nazis to become skinheads.
                    Based on this logic, you have the idea that all the people in the world were once Russian, and then suddenly they took and became other nations, and before they lived in Great Tartaria.

                    Where is the evidence that Fomenko showed you the original map? Where do Russian academics themselves recognize the works of Fomenko?

                    Academician Zaliznyak himself considers them and Fomenko to be insane morons who live on this bread - to litter the brains of Russians.

                    a conspiracy plan where supposedly agents clog up and erase Russian history, science and education are made by your own Russians such as Fomenko, Nosov, Chudinov, Russia's illiterate comedian aka Zadornov.

                    Nobody erases history and culture, you yourself erase and ruin your history and your country with your Russian hands, your ignorance and lack of education.

                    Yes, you will lose any Russian schoolchild of grade 5 in history.

                    And about the conspiracies and that Beck is a CIA agent, how much you write and how much they explain to you.
                    when registering, I indicated the flag of the USSR. and now the flag of the European Union is coming out, I have internet from a Swedish company, I think because of this, or admins specifically change it.
                    There are no conspiracies, you spread rot on your own country and dishonor it even without any conspiracies, and soon it can destroy it like the USSR.
                    How can one think of conspiracies if he himself is dumb and unearished? Yes, it’s convenient to think about conspiracies, because studying history is long and dreary and difficult with all these dates, and to think that the whole world is Russian is so simple and easy.

                    This mental syndrome is called "psiterror". This psychological illness includes:
                    1 the presence of a constant threat to the life of the patient, although this threat does not actually exist.
                    2 constant accusation of another person, and more often people in their troubles.
                    3 the patient's feeling that this menacing force is already in his head and makes him do things against his will.
                    I accidentally got an old Kazakh woman on the street in Almaty. She panicked all over, I thought to help. She tells me, help me, the Uyghur police are threatening me, the Uyghurs are hunting for me and want to kill me. She was all twitching, I realized in my gut that a runaway or not found psycho
              2. Beck
                Beck 17 February 2014 19: 18
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                That is, you yourself know that the Türks are aliens here, and nevertheless insist on your autochthonousness!


                You constantly juggle and juggle. When I said that the Türks are autochthonous. If by and large, then the arias that came to the steppes of Kazakhstan were not autochaons. Someone lived here, unknown to the history of the tribe, since long before the Aryans all lands were already inhabited.

                But the Turks who came to Kazakhstan assimilated the Aryans. These peoples merged to form one people.

                But the Slavs came beyond the Volga already in the era of colonialism. And they did not assimilate with the Turks, did not constitute one people. Therefore, the original lands of the Turks - the steppes, Rus - Valdai.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 17 February 2014 19: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Beck
                  You constantly juggle and juggle. When I said that the Türks are autochthonous.

                  There are comrades here who are sure that Kazakhs are older than Ukrainians.
                  1. Semurg
                    Semurg 17 February 2014 20: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Quote: Beck
                    You constantly juggle and juggle. When I said that the Türks are autochthonous.

                    There are comrades here who are sure that Kazakhs are older than Ukrainians.

                    Kazakhs as a people appeared in the 16th century. They came from different tribes, but some tribes from which the Kazakh people formed are quite ancient and appeared a very long time ago. If Ukrainians are considered the heirs of the glades with the capital in Kiev, then their history is long in time.
                    1. Clegg
                      Clegg 17 February 2014 20: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Semurg
                      Kazakhs as a people appeared in the 16th century

                      Isn't it at 15?
                    2. Semurg
                      Semurg 17 February 2014 21: 56
                      0
                      Yes, in the 15th century. why put a minus? fixed
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                3. Beck
                  Beck 18 February 2014 08: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  There are comrades here who are sure that Kazakhs are older than Ukrainians.


                  Here and address them. Everywhere, until the 15th century, I write Türks, as the Kazakh people began to take shape from the Turkic tribes in the middle of the 15th century. And the history of these tribes goes back to antiquity. Kipchaks in the 10th century came from the Baraba steppes to northern Kazakhstan and further to the South Russian steppes. Naimans with Kereits formed the basis of the original army of Genghis Khan, and before that they practiced Nestorian Christianity. And even earlier, 6-7 centuries were part of the Turkic Kaganate. And now the Kipchaks, Naimans, Kereites, Argyns and others are the components of the Kazakh people. Every Kazakh knows what tribe he is from.
      7. ekzorsist
        ekzorsist 17 February 2014 21: 49
        0
        Quote: Magadan
        I was amazed that in Kazakhstan I did not see a single skewed fence
        3) I was amazed that in every roadside cafe there were wonderful clean toilets. In general, almost everywhere in Kazakhstan is pretty neat,

        ... And it’s interesting that you didn’t travel together with Nazarbayev ??? If together with him, then even on the whole road Tyrolean sausages with Bavarian beer in unlimited quantities were handed out to all passing (with NAS) ...
        And in most cafes (especially roadside ones in the Republic of Kazakhstan), the toilet is around the corner ... and it’s strange, too, wooden!?! And in those that have a toilet in the city ... well, I would not admire its cleanliness with such pathos - it’s also filthy ...
        Quote: Magadan
        When we broke down on the road, the traffic cops REALLY helped us. They walked on the radio in advance to find a car that drove us back to Karaganda. In this case, to our resentment,
        they completely refused even fish and caviar with us in gratitude to accept

        ... Remember the simple rule - the Kazakhstani zholpopovets is not a beggar to take some garbage (they wanted to slip some fish ...) - they take - bucks, euros, sterling and other currency!
        Quote: Magadan
        In Kazakhstan, ALL roadside cafes and shops are open 24 hours. As soon as we crossed our border, everything was closed.

        ... And where do people go ??? You want to eat something ..., normal work - NO, real wages are less than 200 bucks ..., and prices are far from "childish" ...
        So they plow a day to fly to make ends meet somehow ... I did not understand what was the pig’s delight here?
        Quote: Magadan
        Let's go through the Urals. Native Russian warped fences and impassable dirt went to pain

        ... Next time when you go ... write, I will show you both the real dirt (which you have not seen anywhere in Russia) and the real warped fences ... and those who live behind them ... immediately the enthusiasm will decrease.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 16 February 2014 09: 46
    +9
    Well, perhaps, the situation was "corrected" at the expense of the population, taking 20% ​​from the pockets of every citizen, including from mandatory pension savings.
    I think they will "correct" more than once ...
    1. Yerlan
      Yerlan 16 February 2014 11: 41
      +10
      Perhaps this is not the end.
      "In a market economy, that is, to put it bluntly in a capitalist economy, thousands of enterprises go bankrupt every year, new ones appear. We have never practiced in Kazakhstan explaining this or that, including with banks. Agriculture is overstocked with loans, we are not a single farmer, a major oligarch was not made bankrupt and allowed to go around the world, did not give his property to another who can do it. Until we do this, we stand with one foot in socialism, the other in capitalism, understand? "Nazarbayev said, addressing the chairman National Bank of the Republic of Kazakhstan Kairat Kelimbetov during an extended government meeting on Friday.
      Each time these are private banks, these are private people who have always boasted that we are so big, we are so rich, where are they now? With an outstretched hand they go to the state: "Help, save our loans," Nazarbayev said.
      "Why did they give loans? Let them reduce the level of assets and reduce the volume of these bad loans. No, there is no help, there is no such banks! Do you understand, the new chairman of the National Bank?", The president emphasized, addressing Kelimbetov.
      What an interesting message. Probably some kind of outlook is planned ...
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 16 February 2014 12: 08
        +8
        The government deceived the people of Kazakhstan once again, they assured that there would be no devaluation, several times. Deposits, pensions, salaries decreased by 20% per day.
        1. safon
          safon 16 February 2014 12: 22
          +5
          Quote: Igor39
          The government deceived the people of Kazakhstan once again, they assured that there would be no devaluation, several times. Deposits, pensions, salaries decreased by 20% per day.


          It's time to get used to it already. As stated that there is no stronger national currency and the dollar is resting - wait for the collapse.
        2. Yerlan
          Yerlan 16 February 2014 12: 57
          +13
          Yes, there is one.
          I just can’t understand why, with such manic persistence, our authorities regularly carry out a shock devaluation. That in 2009, and this year they dropped by 20-25% in one day. Although in Russia at the same time, the rate was decreasing systematically and for several months, which I consider less painful for the population!
          We are stubbornly taldychat that everything is in order and there are no reasons for devaluation, keep your money in national currency on deposits, and then bang and excuse me.
          At the same time, they hypocritically convince us that this is also good for us!
          1. marshes
            marshes 16 February 2014 14: 36
            +2
            Quote: Yerlan
            I just can’t understand why, with such manic persistence, our authorities regularly carry out a shock devaluation.

            In principle, the population listened to officials less and more often paid attention to the rates of neighboring currencies and the amount of goods imported from neighbors.
            What will be the devaluation was understandable.
            I will bring my koment, KZ swamps February 7, 2014 20:33 | Myths about Ukraine
            By the way, your hryvnia is sagging strongly, even growing a ruble against a tenge, no matter how much our ruble devalued against a growing ruble, so that there would again be no trade imbalance. For my century this has happened twice.
            And now we look who last year blocked our markets for their products and converted the revenue into hard currency, at the same time as the imports from China fell by 50-70%, thanks to customs duties and technical regulations.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 16 February 2014 14: 59
              +3
              By the way, have you heard lace-ups in the Taiga Union will be banned ?! laughing
              1. marshes
                marshes 16 February 2014 15: 06
                +1
                Quote: Zymran
                By the way, have you heard lace-ups in the Taiga Union will be banned ?!

                Campaign Belarusian lingerie manufacturers lobbied. smile
                Ours needs to lobby so that only the chilled meat is on the TS markets. No freezing.
                Trade wars, currency wars in the vehicle.
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 16 February 2014 17: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: marshes
                  Campaign Belarusian lingerie manufacturers lobbied. smile


                  But do not they let out with lace? laughing
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 17: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: Zymran
                    But do not they let out with lace?

                    she talked with her mother, she designed these factories, there lace only as a decoration
                    1. ia-ai00
                      ia-ai00 16 February 2014 19: 18
                      +6
                      Belarusian underwear of high quality, beautiful and comfortable, TESTED by yourself! Chinese - it is NOT NECESSARY for free! In addition, Belarusians sew beautiful women's costumes, sit on a figure, as if they were taking measurements from me, I’ve been buying them for 10 years already!
                      Thank you BELARUSIANS! And your mother, Vladimir Vasilenko, personally!
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 19: 31
                      +5
                      and in Alma-Ata, knitwear was better, but ...
                      first sold to traders and then decided that a business center is better than production, employing 5000 people plus branches
                    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 20: 05
                      0
                      that's interesting who put a minus?
                      weakly substantiate?
                    4. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 16 February 2014 20: 34
                      +3
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      weakly substantiate?

                      This is normal for bad guys. laughing
                      But fixable.
                    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 20: 41
                      +2
                      No, it’s really interesting to me, it’s just that this production is very closely connected with my family, at one time my grandfather worked there as a general director, my father and mother worked there, and my mother, among other things, was already working at a design institute in the late 80s.
                      so it’s extremely interesting what I said wrong
                    6. Semurg
                      Semurg 16 February 2014 22: 11
                      +4
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      No, it’s really interesting to me, it’s just that this production is very closely connected with my family, at one time my grandfather worked there as a general director, my father and mother worked there, and my mother, among other things, was already working at a design institute in the late 80s.
                      so it’s extremely interesting what I said wrong

                      Nepotism however laughing . If the father would have become general and privatized in the 90s, now they would probably have been in chocolate.
                    7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 22: 58
                      0
                      I do not understand this at all why?
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              2. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 16 February 2014 20: 40
                +1
                Probably the one who ruined the knitwear, or other production, depriving people of their jobs, probably passed.
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 20: 46
                +1
                I'm just interested in the rationale for the minus, by the way, the last owner was the head of the "relish" trading network then the Arabs and Turks were sold for a penny
              4. ekzorsist
                ekzorsist 16 February 2014 22: 47
                0
                Oh yes how much equipment they sold ... for a pittance belay wassat it’s just incomprehensible to the mind - how so?!?
                Huge factories where up to 25000 people went out in one shift ... turned into ... screwdriver-hammer production.
                And all this under the slogans of independence, development and stabilization.
              5. Zymran
                Zymran 16 February 2014 22: 58
                0
                I wonder why the Russian patreotnya forgets about no less than the number of destroyed plants in Russia. Here is an incomplete list.

                http://www.rospisatel.ru/predprijatija.htm

                And here we are talking about whole cities

                http://www.pravda.ru/districts/17-07-2013/1165925-gorodaprizraki-0/
              6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 23: 07
                +3
                Quote: Zymran
                I wonder why the Russian patreotnya forgets about no less than the number of destroyed plants in Russia. Here is an incomplete list.

                unfortunately a lot has been ruined, but we are already launching submarines, building ships, etc.
                but in R, unfortunately, they continue to coffin and sell
              7. Zymran
                Zymran 16 February 2014 23: 10
                +2
                We never built submarines, and we build ships somehow.
              8. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 23: 13
                +2
                for that, in the Kazakh SSR there was a magnificent light industry safely destroyed, there was a tractor factory, a radio engineering, and pharmaceuticals
              9. FRIGATE2
                FRIGATE2 17 February 2014 17: 46
                +3
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                for that, in the Kazakh SSR there was a magnificent light industry safely destroyed, there was a tractor factory, a radio engineering, and pharmaceuticals

                Yes, and this equipment was the best and even purchased for export to other countries and thus Russian cars and tractors were the best in the world, but the union collapsed due to the Kazakhs and evil Kazakhs destroyed everything that the good Russians and parents of Vladi Vasilenko created.

                You are an adult and stop breeding srach which Kazakhs are bad, and my family is good. If your parents and you are so perfect that you didn’t stay and do not fight with evil Kazakhs.

                So it’s enough already here on the site to express that the Kazakhs are stupid and savages, and in general nonhumans. Good, everyone, you are not a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan, everything, you have a new life in Russia and I am very glad that your family is now helping to get up from Russia's knees. Forget Kazakhstan and in every topic about Kazakhstan do not write anything.

                Do you already know how unpleasant your reviews about bad Kazakhs are to read? What right do you have to constantly force the Kazakhs to indulge your opinion. Times have passed, not your family grabbed these plants, so other families grabbed and that they constantly cry.

                What Khrapunov do not whine, that he sold and sold half of Almaty schools and kindergartens that you could go to?

                Do not whine to Khrapunov, because he is Russian, and if the Kazakh did this, you whine.

                I don’t defend the Kazakh who took away your business, I only protect from your hypocrisy that Kazakh means bad and a pest.
              10. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 17 February 2014 17: 51
                0
                Quote: FRIGATE2
                I don’t protect the Kazakh who took away your business, I only protect from your hypocrisy that Kazakh is bad and pest

                actually, my business was not taken away by anyone, and I did not inherit it from anyone; I created it myself from scratch

                Quote: FRIGATE2
                Do not whine to Khrapunov, because he is Russian, and if the Kazakh did this, you whine.

                on some branch I already spoke about this boor
                Quote: FRIGATE2
                So it’s enough already here on the site to express that the Kazakhs are stupid and savages, and in general nonhumans.

                can you give an example ?!
          2. Crawl
            Crawl 17 February 2014 00: 15
            0
            But the "diamond in Mittal's crown" is bent.
          3. ekzorsist
            ekzorsist 17 February 2014 21: 58
            -1
            Quote: Zymran
            We never built submarines, and we build ships somehow.

            In !!! And what a miracle the pile was piled in the Kazakhstan steppes ??? ...
            Although I know ... laughing - Camel !!! So his mother nature created, however!
          4. Zymran
            Zymran 17 February 2014 22: 53
            +1
            http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/foto-pervyiy-kazahstanskiy-raketnyiy-korabl
            -spuschen-na-vodu-v-uralske-212924 /
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 17 February 2014 00: 03
      +2
      Quote: Zymran
      I wonder why the Russian patreotnya forgets about no less than the number of destroyed plants in Russia. Here is an incomplete list.

      All these plants were ruined as a result of the rupture of economic ties between the Union republics. Russia will restore what it has lost in the republics, but will the republics be able to restore what they have lost in Russia?
    3. Zymran
      Zymran 17 February 2014 13: 03
      -1
      Quote: Setrac

      All these plants were ruined as a result of the rupture of economic ties between the Union republics.


      I absolutely agree, here it is not necessary to say that the Kazakhs supposedly ditched the entire industry. Everything happened for objective reasons. Alliance still destroyed you, not us.
    4. Setrac
      Setrac 17 February 2014 13: 36
      +1
      Quote: Zymran
      Alliance still destroyed you, not us.

      You type has nothing to do with it? Of course, Kazakhstan "craved" independence less than some clinical republics, there is some truth in your words. However, the politics of the republics after the collapse showed xy from xy.
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 17 February 2014 13: 38
      +1
      Quote: Zymran
      all happened for objective reasons

      Of course, according to the objective, profit from the business center and the sale of equipment can be obtained now, but from production only tomorrow
      Quote: Zymran
      all the same, you, and not us, destroyed the union.

      Undoubtedly, I hope there is enough oil in hell for Yeltsin, but Kazakhstan has already killed the industry on its own
    6. Zymran
      Zymran 17 February 2014 15: 41
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Of course, according to the objective, profit from the business center and the sale of equipment can be obtained now, but from production only tomorrow


      Objective reasons are a violation of relations between the Union republics, from where raw materials for industry were supplied on the one hand, and the disappearance of sales markets in the same republics on the other. Plus, the non-competitiveness of the product in a market economy, this is obvious.
    7. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 17 February 2014 16: 07
      +1
      this is a violation of relations between the Union republics, from where raw materials were supplied for industry
      cotton spinning, worked on cotton produced in the Republic of Kazakhstan
      on the one hand, and the disappearance of markets in the same republics on the other

      destroying the knitwear, the Republic of Kazakhstan massively imports goods manufactured at the APTO from Turkey and China
  • ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 16 February 2014 22: 41
    -1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    that's interesting who put a minus?
    weakly substantiate?

    Do not be offended, it was their Kazakh mentality that worked ... to see revenge for the Alma-Ata knitwear (which was drained).
    Although in fact a good factory was - ... the kingdom of heaven to her, as well as the whole industry of Kazakhstan.
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  • RUSS
    RUSS 17 February 2014 10: 09
    0
    ia-ai00 Belarusian underwear of high quality, beautiful and comfortable, TESTED by yourself! [/ i]

    Moore Moore Moore !!! love
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  • wheel
    wheel 16 February 2014 14: 45
    +2
    You tell Belarusians about such devaluation - they will laugh in your face
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 16 February 2014 14: 48
      0
      Quote: kolesik
      You tell Belarus about such devaluation, and they will laugh in your face


      In the sense of? At one time, their currency dipped by 60 percent.
    2. marshes
      marshes 16 February 2014 14: 51
      +4
      Quote: kolesik
      You tell Belarus about such devaluation, and they will laugh in your face

      The funny thing is that the sellers of Belarusian furniture and tires in Kazakhstan did not rewrite the price tags in their stores after the devaluation.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 16 February 2014 20: 47
        +2
        By the way, I also have BELARUSIAN furniture. Excellent furniture, TREE SHOWS! And sound! Again, THANKS BELARUSIANS!
        1. marshes
          marshes 16 February 2014 21: 02
          +1
          Quote: ia-ai00
          furniture BELARUSIAN


          Then do not complain about the devaluation.
          The Chinese are great, they don’t take all the money out to themselves, they leave part of it in banks in Kazakhstan, if they can lend without interest. If they exported goods, they don’t upset the trade balance.
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 16 February 2014 21: 23
            +4
            I DO NOT COMPLAIN, A - RETURNING !!!
            What does devaluation and Belarusian goods have to do with it? Something "carried you" in the wrong place ... The state HAS CLIMMED into MY POCKET to put MY money in its leaky pocket, because of such as Nazarbayev's son-in-law, the former Akim of Alma-Ata KhRapunov, etc. " figures "who, having stolen billions, dump them into the" hospitable "England, the refuge of all thieves.
            Let your Chinese be great, but I prefer to buy Kazakhstani, Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian goods and products. And you raise the standard of living of China, FOR HEALTH!
            1. marshes
              marshes 16 February 2014 21: 42
              +2
              Quote: ia-ai00
              but I prefer to buy Kazakhstani, Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian goods and products

              Kazakhstani goods did not become competitive with respect to goods from Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, due to the devaluation of their nat.
              currencies. The producers of these countries exported the currency without even leaving part of the margin in our banks. In January alone, the national bank spent 2.2 billion dollars to support the tenge exchange rate and it all started in June. This is a 72% increase in sales of AvtoVAZ and others. Even earlier when cars were bought over the hill, part of the margin still remained in Kazakhstan.
            2. Semurg
              Semurg 16 February 2014 21: 52
              +1
              Quote: marshes
              Quote: ia-ai00
              but I prefer to buy Kazakhstani, Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian goods and products

              Kazakhstani goods did not become competitive with respect to goods from Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, due to the devaluation of their nat.
              currencies. The producers of these countries exported the currency without even leaving part of the margin in our banks. In January alone, the national bank spent 2.2 billion dollars to support the tenge exchange rate and it all started in June. This is a 72% increase in sales of AvtoVAZ and others. Even earlier when cars were bought over the hill, part of the margin still remained in Kazakhstan.

              Does the vehicle work?
            3. marshes
              marshes 16 February 2014 22: 04
              +4
              Quote: Semurg
              Does the vehicle work?

              It’s the most, they are worried about taking Omsk entrepreneurs that they will not be able to import their goods into Kazakhstan and are afraid that our goods will seize the market from them, due to devaluation. Or they want to sell Belshin even cheaper.
              Drivers from Novosibirsk, travel with rubles to us exchange for dollars and buy the remnants of cars that were delivered even before the vehicle.
            4. Semurg
              Semurg 16 February 2014 22: 16
              +2
              The market, however, the cheaper your national currency, the more competitive the product, but the population will lose on inflation.
            5. marshes
              marshes 16 February 2014 22: 21
              +2
              It’s necessary to follow all this, I’ve survived two devaluations and I’ll survive it, maybe even in the black.
            6. ia-ai00
              ia-ai00 16 February 2014 22: 48
              +2
              Apparently you "patriotically" keep your money in $$, so in the black!
              But the working people, mainly from salary to salary, retired grandmothers, from retirement to retirement, and they still took 10% of their salary for 10 years, and now they pulled out as much as 20% from there! Bravo! To all workers "for the good"!
            7. marshes
              marshes 16 February 2014 23: 00
              0
              Basically, what brings income.
              instead of lying dead weight, last year I wanted to get rid of old cars, well, where if there is Lada da Deo. And my wife was worried that the clothes delivered in the fall did not sell out, they dared off the shelf in a couple of days, they didn’t raise the price. Hobby numismatics and I began to do this for the last 7 years.
        2. Zymran
          Zymran 16 February 2014 22: 23
          +1
          Well, they wanted the Taiga Union - get it in full, and soon they will sign documents on the EEC, if you don’t have enough mind to include the back one.
        3. marshes
          marshes 16 February 2014 22: 31
          +2
          A taiga union was needed to access the pipeline network and the railway.
          It’s time to expand on the true Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan and build a grain terminal in Poti.
      2. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 16 February 2014 22: 37
        0
        I think everything will work out, the market has been shaken, manufacturers are stirring now. They promise to raise salaries. The devaluation, in principle, was long overdue, the ruble sank a little during the year, and the tenge stood still, so sooner or later, the tenge would have collapsed anyway.
      3. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 16 February 2014 22: 43
        +2
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        ... manufacturers are stirring now. They promise to raise salaries.

        Do not expect. First they need to beat off 20%. Although officials and security officials tossed.
      4. Semurg
        Semurg 16 February 2014 23: 06
        -1
        Quote: Was Mammoth
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        ... manufacturers are stirring now. They promise to raise salaries.

        Do not expect. First they need to beat off 20%. Although officials and security officials tossed.

        Not the first and not the last shock devaluation will probably get better, though the first three devaluations were when there was no vehicle as it will be now. Our hands are now tied in customs and other matters.
      5. Zymran
        Zymran 16 February 2014 23: 12
        +4
        Quote: Semurg
        Not the first and not the last shock devaluation will probably get better, though the first three devaluations were when there was no vehicle as it will be now. Our hands are now tied in customs and other matters.


        The latest devaluation was associated with a fall in oil prices, the current objective reasons, as it were. Manufacturer support in my opinion bullshit excuse.
      6. Semurg
        Semurg 16 February 2014 23: 23
        0
        Our exporters for the Expo construction site are loaded, and here they were given 20% tax hackney before tax payments. True, through prices, the whole of Kazakhstan is loaded on Expo laughing . Or maybe the NAS wants to include it in the back saying that the TS brought inflation and difficulties to Kazakhstan laughing
      7. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 17 February 2014 01: 27
        +2
        Quote: Semurg
        Or maybe the NAS wants to include it in the back saying that the TS brought inflation and difficulties to Kazakhstan

        Evon maneuvers around EurAsEC evoke such thoughts fellow
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  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 17 February 2014 00: 18
    +1
    You cannot live without optimism.
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  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 16 February 2014 22: 40
    +3
    It is necessary to improve the QUALITY of goods in Kazakhstan, then I will buy milk from local producers, and not "House in the village", from the locals (I tried everything) - my stomach screams: - "KARAUUUUUL", and milk from some manufacturers generally carries MANNESS that even a dog can drink did not. I’m just talking about milk, but you can give a bunch of examples.
    So blame yourself, not the people of the country, that someone is NOT COMPETITIVE.
    Manufacturers of these countries exported currency, without even leaving part of the margin in our banks.

    And why should they leave you Margins? They, excuse me, work for themselves, and you - for yourself, so who is to blame for you that you have no margin? It is necessary to steal less, and salaries should be reduced (for myself), otherwise the difference between salary. managers and workers comes to astronomical figures. Local information flashed that in Almaty the average monthly salary was 185,5 thousand tenge! Yeah ... tell the teachers, doctors, workers that they get so much, they will laugh. I also have enough conscience to say that DEVALATION is for my good! Of course, the "servants" of the people do not have enough to buy expensive real estate "over the hill", to have rest there several times a year, to teach "patriotic" children in London and New York ...
  • Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 16 February 2014 21: 11
    +3
    Quote: Yerlan
    At the same time, they hypocritically convince us that this is also good for us!

    Today in Shymkent, in the Upper Market, products from food stocks were sold. Potato by 55 tenge, sugar-115. They threw a bone to the people, glossed over their eyes, the journalists left and the dealers all dragged themselves in bags. It’s disgusting to see who the war is and who the mother is close to.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 16 February 2014 21: 58
      +2
      Quote: Andrew KZ
      Quote: Yerlan
      At the same time, they hypocritically convince us that this is also good for us!

      Today in Shymkent, in the Upper Market, products from food stocks were sold. Potato by 55 tenge, sugar-115. They threw a bone to the people, glossed over their eyes, the journalists left and the dealers all dragged themselves in bags. It’s disgusting to see who the war is and who the mother is close to.

      Socialism, alas, ended in the yard of capitalism — where, according to Marx, there are no brakes for 300% profit.
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  • atalef
    atalef 17 February 2014 18: 14
    +1
    Quote: Igor39
    The government deceived the people of Kazakhstan once again, they assured that there would be no devaluation, several times. Deposits, pensions, salaries decreased by 20% per day.

    In Russia, the same is almost 10% (it’s just not one-time as the Kyrgyz Republic), Belarus is next in line.
    Nothing can be done about the ties in the vehicle - all together, good and bad.
  • ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 16 February 2014 22: 34
    +1
    Oh what an economic essay.
    Well, seriously and honestly?
    The economy with industry and agriculture was simply profiled in exchange for the recognition of the "independence of Kazakhstan" and the creation of a "titular nation".
    Probably a long time ago they didn’t walk around villages and villages - Yerlan, huh?
    Look, take a walk with the people, talk, no, not with these official "farmers", but simple hard workers, as they say "from the plow" ... oh, how they will tell you a lot of euphonious things about independence, and about farming, and about education .. .. and they will not forget about lending and "subsidies", which the local akimushka distributes to "their own", but they will give it together - in chorus ...
    Once again I say - not verbiage and juggling should be dealt with (how many dough have already been thrown into bullshit - renaming cities, writing "new" textbooks .... and so forth ..), but WORK!
    Create and create! And do not lie and beg.
    And the nook in Kazakhstan will be ... and what kind ... it’s not possible to endlessly twist the spring ... someday it will burst. That is why Kazakhstan does not need a normal army, but it needs a hired army — the gendarmerie, policemen — whose function is not to protect external borders, but to protect the ruling class and its capital.
  • avt
    avt 16 February 2014 10: 05
    +4
    Quote: name
    Let it be “Cossack Eli”, if only the debts of Kazakhstan would not go away as in the case of bankruptcy ..

    request Well, let the Chinese have a headache about this - they are the main investors - Kazakhstan investors.
    Quote: predator.3
    As they say, it’s not built by you, and it’s not for you to rename it, it’s better to build a new street or city and call it what you want — what a fantasy!

    Well, here it is an itch under the guise of "historical justice" to be honest. Well, it would be fair to rename - they would return the old, historical, names in the city, but no, and then they cheat. Why not restore "historical justice" and rename the Moscow Metro as he was originally him, Lazar Koganovich, and ,, Semenovskaya "station in ,, Stalinskaya" and others will be returned to the name - ,, Shcherbakovskaya '' ,,, Zhdanovskaya ",,, Nogin Square" {By the way, Noginsk in Bogorodsk is in no hurry to rename Noginsk at once behind the roundabout}?
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 16 February 2014 10: 56
      +13
      It is interesting that Muscovites refused to rename the Almaty station in Moscow!
      1. avt
        avt 16 February 2014 11: 08
        +11
        Quote: RK refugee
        It is interesting that Muscovites refused to rename the Almaty station in Moscow!

        request A new station, next to Almaatinskaya street, my friend lives there nearby and part of that area is called “Brateev“ Almaatinka ”- the name has taken root, the station lobby was made with elements in the style of“ 41st ”in memory of the fighters from Kazakhstan. That’s the only way Meadow and Gayev were in a hurry to hand over the station - the roof of one lobby at the exit began to flow in the rain, I saw it myself when I was driving to a friend.
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          Refugee from Kazakhstan 16 February 2014 12: 20
          +4
          Sorry, I’m behind the train.
          1. avt
            avt 16 February 2014 13: 14
            +2
            Quote: RK refugee
            Sorry, I’m behind the train.

            For what? It's just that the new stations were named there practically with reference to the ground names of the streets that had been located for a long time - exit Brateevo next to Brateevskaya street, Zyablikovo in the next district of the same name.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 16 February 2014 11: 22
        +7
        Quote: RK refugee
        It is interesting that Muscovites refused to rename the Almaty station in Moscow!

        It adds color. The city of St. Petersburg is the capital of the Leningrad region.
        1. avt
          avt 16 February 2014 11: 31
          +3
          Quote: Setrac
          It adds color. The city of St. Petersburg is the capital of the Leningrad region.

          I do not agree. It’s quite a district of the city of Soviet and new buildings - there is a kilometer to the ring road. So it’s quite a name for itself that dates back to Soviet times with normal history.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 16 February 2014 11: 51
          +3
          Quote: Setrac
          It adds color. The city of St. Petersburg is the capital of the Leningrad region.


          Yekaterinburg is the capital of the Sverdlovsk region.
      3. safon
        safon 16 February 2014 12: 25
        +1
        Quote: Refugee from RK
        It is interesting that Muscovites refused to rename the Almaty station in Moscow!


        Well, in vain. Spin it or not, but there is plenty to choose from, thank God.
    2. atalef
      atalef 17 February 2014 18: 19
      +1
      Quote: avt
      Well, let the Chinese have a headache about this - they are the main investors - Kazakhstan investors


      You probably forgot a little about the vehicle. So, that is not only a Chinese headache. I would even say - not at all Chinese. After realizing that Ukraine cannot be seen in the TS, the bankruptcy (which certainly will not) of the RK is the collapse of the TS. Therefore, the money will come ... from Russia, but how else.
  • Clegg
    Clegg 16 February 2014 10: 20
    +4
    Quote: name
    Kazakhstan's external debt in January-September of the 2013 year increased from 136,925 billion to 147,965 billion

    Debt guaranteed by the state is not more than 5 percent, the rest is private sector debt. So I don’t see a particular problem.
    1. avt
      avt 16 February 2014 10: 58
      +6
      Quote: Clegg

      Debt guaranteed by the state is not more than 5 percent, the rest is private sector debt. So I don’t see a particular problem.

      laughing Oh well . We have already filled up the bumps on this and now we are getting on the head. But your will is sovereign, learn from your mistakes. When the time comes to pay off the debts of the private sector and you will find out a lot of unexpected things, then you’ll tell. And then we’ll see how the lenders will be entitled to download about what you own land.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 16 February 2014 11: 04
        -14%
        Quote: avt
        But your will is sovereign

        Of course

        Quote: avt
        learn from your mistakes.

        Maybe I’ll hurt you, but there’s nothing to learn from Russia over the past 20 years. So somehow we can handle it ourselves
        1. avt
          avt 16 February 2014 11: 12
          +12
          Quote: Clegg
          Maybe I’ll hurt you, but there’s nothing to learn from Russia over the past 20 years.

          On offended carry water.
          Quote: Clegg
          So somehow we can handle it ourselves

          Well, God forbid, our wolf calves eat laughing I don’t know what kind of faith - but Pride is one of the most serious sins. But then again - ourselves with a mustache, if only then we would not have to rake, and the prospect is by no means virtual.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 16 February 2014 11: 14
            -1
            Quote: avt
            I don’t know what faith - but Pride is one of the most serious sins.

            I'm not a believer)))
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 16 February 2014 11: 21
              +8
              Quote: Clegg
              I'm not a believer)))


              They all believe in something or in someone, especially when
              1. ekzorsist
                ekzorsist 16 February 2014 22: 54
                +1
                He can be seen from the "novovers" - those who only believe in Dollars.
            2. avt
              avt 16 February 2014 11: 26
              +10
              Quote: Clegg
              I'm not a believer)))

              Atheism is also faith. For denial you need an object whose presence you deny.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 16 February 2014 11: 31
                +6
                Quote: avt
                Atheism is also faith. For denial you need an object that you deny.

                I do not deny the existence of God, perhaps there is perhaps no. For me, this question is not so important.
                1. perfect100
                  perfect100 16 February 2014 11: 44
                  +6
                  Well, as a small child - the question of who built the playground, the sandbox and poured sand there is not so important. Like a vegetable in a garden, it doesn’t matter who created his garden and planted it ... A vegetable does not deny the existence of a garden designer ....
                2. Altona
                  Altona 16 February 2014 12: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: Clegg
                  I do not deny the existence of God, perhaps there is perhaps no. For me, this question is not so important.

                  -----------------------
                  This is a classic agnostic ... In principle, he does not care about the presence of God, but he does not deny his invisible presence ...
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 16 February 2014 12: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Altona
                    This is a classic agnostic ... In principle, he does not care about the presence of God, but he does not deny his invisible presence ...

                    This is bad?
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 16 February 2014 12: 10
                      +5
                      Quote: Clegg
                      This is bad?

                      ---------------------------
                      This is neither good nor bad, it’s just your attitude towards God ... We have freedom of conscience and the presence or absence of God in your soul is only your own business ...
                3. FRIGATE2
                  FRIGATE2 17 February 2014 18: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: Clegg
                  I do not deny the existence of God, perhaps there is perhaps no. For me, this question is not so important.

                  You, dear, at first sight do not quite correspond to the term "atheist".

                  Why? Because, you are not yet sure that God is and you are not sure that he is not.

                  That is, simply put, you do not know. But as a literate person you see the poor to go to church and a mosque and pray, you consider it unreasonable to fast and other nonsense of religious people.

                  I have a friend such as he says "I believe in God, I do not believe in religion."

                  But an atheist, through logical thinking, and the search for causal relationships, comes to the choice that there really is no God and cannot exist, and atheists are right in this.

                  Atheism is now the same phenomenon as in the Middle Ages the concept that the Earth is round and revolves around the axis and the sun. People have denied this, and so what? after a couple of centuries it was discovered that the Earth is round.

                  and now atheists do not perceive, they deny God and divine creation. But some time will pass and many will doubt the religions.

                  It is just stupid people who write atheists as "unbelievers in religion"

                  Once again, atheism is neither religion nor faith at all. Atheism is the denial of God, that is, atheists do not believe that God does not exist, atheists know that God does not exist, these are two differences.

                  If you are the logical way, the mind came to the conclusion that God can not even exist, then boldly sign up for atheists.
              2. FRIGATE2
                FRIGATE2 17 February 2014 18: 08
                +2
                Quote: avt
                Atheism is also faith. For denial you need an object whose presence you deny.

                Oh bye general, oh bye where did you study, what do you think in a childish way?
                Have you thought it over yourself and came to the conclusion that atheism is faith? Or, as always in childhood, in youth, mom-dad, uncle-aunt, an acquaintance somewhere said that "atheism is faith"? or read the books of the rectors of the Russian Orthodox Church? how do they say that atheism is this belief?

                Weakly think with your head and read the meaning of the origin of the word "ATHEISM" ??? than to listen to the opinions of elders and all saints?

                Atheism comes from the Greek root "teo", which means God. The prefix "a" means a negative sign, as in Russian "not", "no", as in Latin "anti"

                Accordingly, Atheism is translated as "Not God".
                In which word from "Not God" did you find that it is "God" or faith?
            3. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 16 February 2014 11: 29
              +3
              Quote: Clegg
              I'm not a believer)))

              Militant National Atheist?
              I remember that.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 16 February 2014 12: 12
          +11
          Quote: Clegg
          Maybe I’ll hurt you, but there’s nothing to learn from Russia over the past 20 years.

          Russia rises, surrounded by enemies, betrayed by friends, with a destroyed economy. And you say there’s nothing to learn! You are right, merge to the West - here Russia is not your assistant and teacher.
        3. Altona
          Altona 16 February 2014 12: 31
          +7
          Quote: Clegg
          Maybe I’ll hurt you, but there’s nothing to learn from Russia over the past 20 years. So somehow we can handle it ourselves

          --------------------------------
          What can you handle? Powerful Kazakh people will be able to withstand the small and weak Chinese people? ))))
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 16 February 2014 12: 42
            -16%
            Quote: Altona
            What can you handle? Powerful Kazakh people will be able to withstand the small and weak Chinese people?

            Either we can cope or disappear from the pages of history, it would be good if the Anglo-Saxons supported us. And so I do not see the difference between you and the Chinese.
            1. July
              July 16 February 2014 12: 57
              +7
              With the Anglo-Saxons disappear faster. They originally ground your teeth before your entry into Russia.
            2. avt
              avt 16 February 2014 13: 00
              +8
              Quote: Clegg
              it would be nice if we were supported by the Anglo-Saxons.

              laughing laughing "They will support" everyone will certainly, they will come out of Afghanistan "and" support "
              Quote: Clegg
              or disappear from the pages of history,

              Well, this is a pessimistic scenario, but, according to Gumilev, at best, you will go into a state of homeostasis, well, you will become a nomadic people as before. Don't believe me? Go on an excursion to Afghanistan, Iraq, but a hundred poods of this science will not be useful. It looks like a really brought up by some sort of "Dianetics" adherent of "classical universal human values ​​and rights." Not now, but over time, the realization will come that all this does not apply to you, if we are also "white natives" for them, then we have put a specific brand on you - Borat - Cohen, that's who you are for them. , teachers, for your money they will also lick you, the main thing is that the "learning" would enter the brain well, and this, judging by the statements, went well. Well, you can console yourself - we have enough of them, but they are already regaining consciousness That is why Shenderovich Svanidze are starting to fight in hysterics.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 16 February 2014 13: 35
                -1
                Quote: avt
                "They will support" everyone will certainly, they will come out of Afghanistan "and" support "

                Afghanistan, along with Turkey and Iran, was a 3 Muslim country which was not colonized by European powers.
                I happened to see pictures from Afghanistan before 1979 and after as heaven and hell. So do not blame the Americans for everything, you also participated in this.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 16 February 2014 13: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Clegg
                  So do not blame the Americans for everything, you also participated in this.

                  Afghans will not agree with you.
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Afghanistan, along with Turkey and Iran, was a 3 Muslim country which was not colonized by European powers.

                  Now Iran is the only independent Muslim country.
                2. RUSS
                  RUSS 16 February 2014 13: 48
                  +5
                  Quote: Clegg
                  I happened to see pictures from Afghanistan before the 1979 year and after as heaven and hell


                  Pictures (photos?) From the State Department, probably? And what is paradise? There was no paradise there, according to the latest polls, the period of the Soviet occupation was recognized by the population of Afghanistan as the best time. By the way, watch the latest program of A. Pushkov "Postscript", there is a very interesting reportage on this topic.
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 16 February 2014 13: 53
                    +2
                    Quote: RUSS
                    According to recent polls, the period of Soviet occupation was recognized as the best time for the people of Afghanistan.

                    Who conducted the survey?
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 16 February 2014 14: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: Clegg
                      Who conducted the survey?


                      In youtube "Postscript" from 15.02.2014
                    2. Zymran
                      Zymran 16 February 2014 14: 09
                      +3
                      Quote: RUSS
                      In youtube "Postscript" from 15.02.2014


                      Well, this is not serious.

                      Here is Afghanistan before the war.

                      http://politiko.ua/blogpost39377

                      http://zapilili.ru/category/kartinki/kabul-afganistan-do-voyny-1967g-30-foto-/

                      There are even girls in miniskirts.
                    3. RUSS
                      RUSS 16 February 2014 14: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: Zymran
                      There are even girls in miniskirts.


                      I saw these photos, what year of photos?
                    4. Zymran
                      Zymran 16 February 2014 14: 19
                      0
                      On the second link 1967.
                    5. avt
                      avt 16 February 2014 15: 32
                      +7
                      Quote: Zymran
                      On the second link 1967.

                      laughing Yes, after the expedition of Primakov's cavalry corps, after the Civil War, when they knocked out the Angle camp from there. Afghanistan was quite in excellent relations with the USSR, even sometimes better than with Yugoslavia, relations were quite in our orbit, and if it were not for the work on the collapse of the USSR carried out by SE his henchmen, there would be no revolution that suddenly emerged, and even more so the long stay of our troops there - they would have entered as before, established a friendly regime and left. Even Najibullah was betrayed by the Humpbacked and all-drunk EBN to the glory of “universal human values.” After all, he held out for two years until they refused to supply him with fuel and lubricants and spare parts for heavy equipment FOR MONEY.
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 17 February 2014 18: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Zymran
                    There are even girls in miniskirts.

                    Quote: RUSS
                    I saw these photos, what year of photos?

                    Look at photographs of Iran in the 70s. The same miniskirts. Is this the same merit of the USSR?
                  3. Was mammoth
                    Was mammoth 17 February 2014 18: 49
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    The same miniskirts. Is this the same merit of the USSR?

                    No, then Iran’s best friend tried. Israel. smile
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              2. Bizzz
                Bizzz 16 February 2014 15: 11
                +2
                These photos were also attributed to Iran. So, you can consider them, the same is not serious.
              3. Zymran
                Zymran 16 February 2014 15: 26
                +2
                Nevertheless, it is Afghanistan. In Iran, under the Shah, in principle, it was also.
                Here is Iran http://bigpicture.ru/?p=279502
                Here is Afghan http://bigpicture.ru/?p=70000
            3. RUSS
              RUSS 16 February 2014 15: 35
              +1
              A little about Afghanistan, about the fact that it was allegedly not conquered by anyone - this is MYTH, Afghanistan has been independent since August 19, 1919. Before that, whoever "conquered" him, there were minor times of his independence, and so basically he belonged to the ancient Iranians to the British in the 20th century.
        4. July
          July 16 February 2014 14: 06
          +2
          A film was shown yesterday or the day before, so the former field commanders and the current high-ranking majahideen leaders spoke of Shuravi very respectfully. As they say, nothing personal, they fought, but with Shuravi it ​​was better and they were Afghans and their customs and faith were respected.
          And the cook of Aminovsky spoke well of Russians, such a cheerful little old man of a century. smile
    2. avt
      avt 16 February 2014 14: 49
      +3
      [quote = Clegg] Afghanistan along with Turkey and Iran was a 3 Muslim country which was not colonized by European powers. [/ quote]
      Before repeating the tales of the arrogant Saxons - read who, when and how did you go in there and what did you do there in a great historical perspective, well, take a look at the Afghans themselves. [quote = Clegg] I happened to see pictures from Afghanistan before 1979 and after as heaven and hell. So do not blame the Americans for everything, you also participated in this.
      And the uncle professor invited from England showed pictures? Or look only what you want in the country where the fighting was really going on. If there was a desire, they would find living witnesses and participants of those events even in their homeland, and would also find out what and how much was built in the civilian sphere even during the war, and by the way, the border of the Russian Empire passed along the Salang, so that the Pamiris were a single people in the Empire, and this is a rather peculiar relationship with Ahmadshah in Pandshera. There, even after the order to bomb everything at the exit, which 3,14 ... He pushed the curators through Humpbacked, no one shot in the back. Well, about Iran, so before you again assert something about independence - read on the basis of which Iran was occupied by the Angles and the troops of the USSR, so that the central government did not even grunted and functioned normally , yes, in general there it was perceived quite calmly, as well as leaving after the end of World War II, although Stalin wanted to stir up the Big Commune there. static Azerbaijan ", but changed his mind.
    3. Altona
      Altona 16 February 2014 17: 00
      +3
      Quote: Clegg
      Afghanistan, along with Turkey and Iran, was a 3 Muslim country which was not colonized by European powers.

      ----------------------
      And why is he selling colonial goods? Drugs, opiates are the most colonial commodity ... And about the "invincibility" of Afghanistan, I would argue, having a powerful financial, weapons and ideological pumping from the outside, putting 150-170 thousand soldiers in the form of 4000-5000 mobile units against our 60000-100000 expeditionary corps (40 army) ... Of course, this is a "clear" victory, to say nothing ...
    4. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 16 February 2014 21: 21
      +1
      Quote: Clegg
      I happened to see pictures from Afghanistan before the 1979 year and after as heaven and hell

      Pictures can always be chosen to suit every taste, and any purpose.
    5. ekzorsist
      ekzorsist 16 February 2014 23: 00
      0
      Quote: Clegg
      I happened to see pictures from Afghanistan before 1979 and after as heaven and hell. So do not blame the Americans for everything, you also participated in this.

      ... But really were you there? Before and after ...
      If not, then do not drive the wave in vain!
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 16 February 2014 13: 27
    +6
    Quote: Clegg
    Quote: Altona
    What can you handle? Powerful Kazakh people will be able to withstand the small and weak Chinese people?

    Either we can cope or disappear from the pages of history, it would be good if the Anglo-Saxons supported us.

    They will hold you ... for guzno ... with the subsequent liberal-tolerant transformations laughing
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 16 February 2014 13: 35
      0
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      They will hold you ... for guzno ... with the subsequent liberal-tolerant transformations

      Well, this does not concern you.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 16 February 2014 14: 09
        +4
        Quote: Clegg
        Well, this does not concern you.

        You can clarify - who will understand?
      2. pRofF
        pRofF 16 February 2014 15: 25
        +3
        Well why not concern what You have 30% of the population there - Russians and Russian speakers. Yes, and relations between your sev.regions and Russia remained strong. If something comes over, the authorities will have to intervene, Russia has yet another hotbed of instability at hand, but nafig did not give up.
        1. FRIGATE2
          FRIGATE2 17 February 2014 18: 46
          +1
          Quote: pRofF
          Well, why doesn’t it apply? You have 30% of the population there - Russians and Russian speakers. And the ties between your northern regions and Russia remained strong. If something brews - the authorities will have to intervene, Russia has another hotbed of instability at hand - nafig did not give up.

          , Russia will understand for Kazakhstan. Give an example when Russia for any country j_p_ vomited?

          If vomited j_p_ then this and that for personal purposes of Russia and security officials such as Putin.

          Most Kazakhstani Russians will be dumped in Russia as soon as there is no stability in Kazakhstan, then when everyone calms down they will come and claim their rights and claims. If now Kazakhstani Russians leave for Resei leaving their citizenship and get Russian and go back to the KZ with a residence permit and live quietly as guest workers in Moscow, many under Russian law receive double citizenship.

          Rather, the Russian Federation would pass a law abolishing dual citizenship.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 February 2014 19: 06
            0
            Quote: FRIGATE2
            many under Russian law receive dual citizenship.

            not tired of writing nonsense?
            if you don’t know the principle of obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation by citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan, then better keep silent
            Quote: FRIGATE2
            Russia will understand for Kazakhstan. Give an example when Russia for any country j_p_ vomited?
            well, if you went to school badly, then a couple of weather links will not
          2. FRIGATE2
            FRIGATE2 19 February 2014 01: 00
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: FRIGATE2
            many under Russian law receive dual citizenship.

            not tired of writing nonsense?
            if you don’t know the principle of obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation by citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan, then better keep silent
            Quote: FRIGATE2
            Russia will understand for Kazakhstan. Give an example when Russia for any country j_p_ vomited?
            well, if you went to school badly, then a couple of weather links will not

            Okay, I went over with dual citizenship, but I conveyed the meaning.
            In my area / work since childhood, my acquaintances / neighbors / classmates Russians mostly went to Russia, received citizenship there, then back to the KZ and nothing worked with a residence permit.

            And let's do it without sarcasm.

            Did I read Fomenko?
            I read two main books. in the very first, he spoke of how the great Russians built the pyramids in Egypt and also proved that the radiocarbon dating method is fantastic.

            After these statements, I no longer took it seriously, but it was interesting to read a book as a fantasy, like Tolkien’s novels (I didn’t read it).
            Only in Tolkien all sorts of orcs, fairies, gnomes build hordes and kingdoms for themselves, while in Fomenko the brave Russians build themselves the great pyramids of Egypt
  • Altona
    Altona 16 February 2014 16: 40
    +7
    Quote: Clegg
    Either we can cope or disappear from the pages of history, it would be good if the Anglo-Saxons supported us. And so I do not see the difference between you and the Chinese.

    ----------------------------
    So the Anglo-Saxons are already actively "helping" you ... I can paint the whole scenario or, as they say, a "roadmap":
    Point one: Breaking away from the main nation of the subethnos and pushing the Juche ideas into it with the slogans "we ourselves will cope without Moscow, be it tilki our own fat ists" ...
    Point two: Encouraging the creation of their own "camp" or "Finland" on loans from the IMF, the Soros Fund, nurturing a corrupt national bureaucracy. Also renaming, revision of vocabulary, toponymy, separation from the general cultural matrix ...
    Point three: Cultivation of separatism already in the national "independent" (from Russia) state, encouraging the fifth column, Maidan, Zhanaozen ...
    Point Four: Announcement of the Nazarbayev government as a "bloody regime of Elbasy", accusations of genocide against Russians, Germans, Ukrainians, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks. Recognition of the illegitimacy of the use of natural resources ... Recalling cooperation with the "bloody dictators" Putin and Lukashenko ... Drawing the image of a Kazakh as a savage cruel nomad, who cooks shurpa from the entrails of enemies, wrapped in foul-smelling sheep skins ...
    Point five: Convening of the UN Security Council on Kazakhstan, a no-fly zone, the introduction of interethnic forces with a 40th US Marine Corps led by ...A curtain...
    1. FRIGATE2
      FRIGATE2 17 February 2014 19: 17
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      So the Anglo-Saxons are already actively "helping" you ... I can paint the whole scenario or, as they say, a "roadmap":

      Quote: Altona
      Point one: Breaking away from the main nation of the subethnos and vtyuhivanie Juche ideas with the slogans "we can handle it ourselves without Moscow, if only our own fat is tilka".

      Well, if, according to this logic, the Kazakhs will become Jones, Kevins, Arnolds, then why do the Yakuts, Chukchi, Tatars have Nikolai, Vladimir, Dmitri?
      He can admit that the Russians are the same colonialists as the Anglo-Saxons, and not whine that no, we are not like that. "The Anglo-Saxons beat 5 times with a stick, and we are kind Russians and beat 4 times" this is your biased logic.

      Quote: Altona
      Point two: Encouraging the creation of their own "camp" or "Finland" on loans from the IMF, the Soros Fund, nurturing a corrupt national bureaucracy. Also renaming, revision of vocabulary, toponymy, separation from the general cultural matrix ...

      You think utopia that you live in a country that does not take IMF loans, that your country is developed, that the undeveloped of England and the USA forever prevent Russia from developing further. In the USSR, Russians shouted that Central Asia and the Caucasus were preventing Russia and the Russians from developing as the United States and England. Well now we are not in the same country and who is stopping you from developing, improve education, science, destroy mosques and churches and build secular Russia, destroy bureaucrats and dictator Putin and build a democratic people's Russia and show all America how to build democracy, let them learn from you .

      Quote: Altona
      Point Three: Cultivating separatism already in the national "independent" (from Russia) state, encouraging the fifth column, Maidan, Zhanaozen ...

      Zhanaozen is a rebellion of oil workers, not separatism. Why write if you don’t know?
      If at work your boss Russian is lowered and you collectively rebel against him, then you think who the boss is and the boss is right, Putin and you rebel against his regime, then where is the national uprising? it will be a demand and not rebellion or separatism.

      Quote: Altona
      Point four: Declaration of the Nazarbayev government as a "bloody regime of Elbasy", accusations of genocide against Russians, Germans, Ukrainians, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks. Recognition of the illegitimacy of the use of natural resources ... Recalling cooperation with "bloody dictators" Putin and Lukashenko ... Drawing an image of a Kazakh as a savage cruel nomad who cooks shurpa from the entrails of enemies, wrapped in foul-smelling sheep skins ...

      So I read different books. read the history of nomads from the Russians, read the version from Western historians.

      It’s just that Western scholars and historians in no way describe the nomads that their culture is small or did not have a state and in the same spirit as in the Russian editions. One gets the feeling that in the USSR there was a systematic policy of extinguishing the national self-consciousness of small peoples by such opinions as yours. that savages and a yurt in the steppe.

      What are you wasting time and life on this site? you will make an excellent science fiction writer. Start writing like Old Men books, I’m sure you will find a circle of readers and good money will be. then maybe like old people hating the west you will educate children in the west.
      1. Altona
        Altona 17 February 2014 23: 12
        0
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        What are you wasting time and life on this site? you will make an excellent science fiction writer. Start writing like Old Men books, I’m sure you will find a circle of readers and good money will be. then maybe like old people hating the west you will educate children in the west.

        --------------------------
        I wrote you a detailed comment, but the site mechanism did not miss it, considering it to be excessively long ... I will answer you separately, if someone is interested in reading them in the comments to this article. Thanks for the compliment on writing. Unfortunately, I am not always subject to inspiration and am not burdened by the cold cynicism of the surgeon, who requires writer's bread.
        Threat. And why didn’t they blame my comment if they tried to oppose so deployed?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 19: 14
    +4
    Quote: Clegg
    it would be nice if we were supported by the Anglo-Saxons

    and you know it really wouldn’t be bad, maybe steel has become better for Russians and Russians
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  • Dmitriy1975
    Dmitriy1975 19 February 2014 23: 06
    0
    And you put matches into your eyes, you can see clearly.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 17 February 2014 11: 32
    0
    And the BRITANS and the USA "will help them, as they have already" helped "many countries.
  • Kasym
    Kasym 17 February 2014 02: 43
    +3
    AVT, hello! The point is the investment policy (climate) of the state. We have an outflow / influx of investments in the range of 5-8 billion dollars. per year in positive territory. Even with the 2008 crisis, there was no strong outflow. For example, Chevron has invested about 10 billion (say) in the Tengiz field and has a 50% stake in it. What will he run away now? It wasn’t there. In turn, for example, in Kashagan, they lined up when Konako announced the withdrawal from the project. Hindus, Chinese, Europeans. The Chinese shipped for both their share and ours.
    In December, a metallurgical plant with the Russians was opened. I forgot the name, but this is your oligarch. He stated that he had never met such an attitude from the authorities on the implementation of this project.
    So here. The fact that the private sector (and this is usually the raw material projects) has been employed and that foreign direct investment has come to us does not greatly affect the ratings of Kazakhstan. By the way, they are not so bad.
    I, by the given examples, do not want to say that everything is fine with us. I even know where there are a lot of statements, but the business cat wept.
    When state. with a debt of 20-30 billion and with a GDP of 220 billion and gold and foreign exchange reserves of 100 billion, Kazakhstan feels confident.
    Clegg, hello! We just after the collapse of everything ... copied from Russia. There were no specialists in a market economy or writing their own legislation. In order to keep up with the Russian Federation in developing a market economy, the National Academy of Sciences adopted everything. Somewhere in 1998, he began some sort of action. hi
  • rolik
    rolik 16 February 2014 12: 13
    +3
    Quote: name
    Let yourself be "Cossack Eli"

    Well, Nursultan got bored, he needs something to make fun of. The main thing is that we keep normal relations. Don't need a spaceport? building our own East. So again they began to talk about Russia not leaving Baikonur. And it is up to the people of Kazakhstan to decide whether they "ate" or "did not eat". This is their legal right.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 16 February 2014 13: 09
      +2
      Quote: rolik
      Well, Nursultan became bored, he had to make fun of something.


      To Turkmenbashi it is far to amuse himself laughing
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 16 February 2014 13: 33
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: rolik
        Well, Nursultan became bored, he had to make fun of something.

        To Turkmenbashi it is far to amuse himself

        Green toad crushes - I want to get out of the shadow of the northern neighbor by any means laughing
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 16 February 2014 18: 12
          +1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: rolik
          Well, Nursultan became bored, he had to make fun of something.

          To Turkmenbashi it is far to amuse himself

          Green toad crushes - I want to get out of the shadow of the northern neighbor by any means laughing

          S. Niyazov was certainly a tyrant, but from Nazarbayev such ideas are certainly strange to hear.
    2. Crawl
      Crawl 16 February 2014 15: 34
      +3
      I wonder, but for me, as a non-Kazakh, what is shining in the country with the name "Kazakh Norot"?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 16 February 2014 15: 47
        +1
        Quote: Crawl
        I wonder, but for me, as a non-Kazakh, what is shining in the country with the name "Kazakh Norot"?

        There is one forum member from Kazakhstan (or is it somehow different?), Who directly writes that he likes the methods of the Baltic "citizenization".
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 16 February 2014 22: 35
        -2
        Quote: Crawl
        I wonder, but for me, as a non-Kazakh, what is shining in the country with the name "Kazakh Norot"?

        Now in the republic of the country of Kazakhs, the Republic of Kazakhstan, what is shining?
        1. Crawl
          Crawl 17 February 2014 00: 26
          +1
          yes, taschemta, rainbow nichrome. life is like in a fairy tale: the further, the worse.
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  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 16 February 2014 07: 15
    +29
    What do you call a yacht, will it sail? Well, of course, they invest more in Mongolia because of the lack of graduation. 100% That's Ukraine now renamed and that’s it, the political crisis is over. I envy the Kazakhs. Apparently, everything is so good in the country that renaming has remained the most important issue on the agenda.
    1. Yerlan
      Yerlan 16 February 2014 11: 33
      +5
      I completely agree! As if there were no other problems in the country.
      1. safon
        safon 16 February 2014 12: 29
        +3
        Quote: Yerlan
        I completely agree! As if there were no other problems in the country.


        There are also big ones. But excuse me, how else to keep you busy? Right! We play the game "Name the country". Then there will be other games. However, as elsewhere.
        1. Yerlan
          Yerlan 16 February 2014 13: 32
          +6
          It's bad that the people are being led! On local forums, such a srach is bred, they already fight hysterically! Although for me, as in the old saying: "even call it a pot, just don't put it in the stove"
          1. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 16 February 2014 21: 43
            0
            Quote: Yerlan
            It's bad that the people are being led! On local forums, such a srach is bred, they already fight hysterically! Although for me, as in the old saying: "even call it a pot, just don't put it in the stove"

            It is unlikely that the country will be renamed. The people, for the most part, are against. The rest do not care. Maybe they switched attention before devaluation?
          2. QWERTY
            QWERTY 16 February 2014 21: 59
            0
            I wonder why then they "ate" and not "eat"? Somehow it would be more logical. But in general, renaming does not lead to anything good. Well, the city, and then for some reason Dzhambul was renamed Taraz ... Dzhambul - Kazakh poet, why is he unworthy? Kyzylorda - isn't it Kazakh, is it Karaganda? And the streets ... the most interesting thing is that still in Dzhambul most of the streets are called according to the old name, even Kazakhs, although they have been renamed for 15 years already, and some streets have even been renamed twice) )) In short, in a joke, the cards are apparently reprinted.
          3. ekzorsist
            ekzorsist 16 February 2014 23: 10
            +1
            Exactly ...
            Or maybe we’ll move the oncoming initiative, call -
            "Kazakh-universe" ... or more precisely "Khanate-NAS" ...
            Here, investments are sure to fall foolish !!!
            And most importantly, the Kazakhs will not have to work !!! Just sit shay, eat arak and consider tanga - beauty !!!
      2. Crawl
        Crawl 16 February 2014 15: 34
        +1
        it will distract from more pressing topics
    2. Altona
      Altona 16 February 2014 12: 39
      +3
      Quote: Tatarus
      That’s Ukraine now renamed and that’s it, the political crisis is over. I envy the Kazakhs. Apparently, everything is so good in the country that renaming has remained the most important issue on the agenda.

      ----------------------------
      A good idea by the way ... Centrovina, Centroevropina ... And the investments will simply crush Aivazovsky’s ninth wave ... fellow
  • waisson
    waisson 16 February 2014 07: 32
    +4
    No matter what they were called, people would remain.
  • saag
    saag 16 February 2014 07: 33
    +3
    There will be a tendency to abolish the republic and introduce something like a monarchy, in general, all this for the hereditary transfer of power
    1. varov14
      varov14 16 February 2014 11: 22
      +7
      Back to yurts is the right way, it’s easier there. Cities built by Russians should not be renamed; they should be demolished.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 16 February 2014 07: 39
    +16
    In connection with the awareness of the greatness of the "liberated people", not only settlements suddenly acquired allegedly historical names. Even the mountains, which were ordered to become higher, realized a new policy. In order to increase the "prestige" of the state, at least two significant peaks were raised to the desired level.
    The "colonialists" trampled on greatness in this too.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 16 February 2014 09: 02
      +16
      Quote: Humpty
      .In order to increase the "prestige" of the state to the desired level, at least two significant peaks were raised.

      Nazarbayev is still the goose wink Do you think he needs a Eurasian Union, which he was one of the first to talk about? Nothing like this. By the mercy of Humpbacked (marked Judas) and Borki the drunk, Kazakhstan got territories that had never belonged to him. He perfectly understands that Kazakhstan has got an illegal inheritance and it needs to be consolidated. From here grow the legs of his Eurasian Union and the desire to rename Kazakhstan the Country of Kazakhs. And later in "Nazarbayev ate" - the Country of Nazarbayev, as it is today. But we must give Nazarbayev his due. Well done, not like our neoliberals, who have made it a rule to master the minds of our citizens with their collaborationist ideas. But the time will come when he leaves the presidency and we will all witness an interesting story in the Country of Kazakhs.
      1. FRIGATE2
        FRIGATE2 16 February 2014 09: 39
        -10%
        wai wai wai. A general with a children's worldview, then let's move 100 pieces of Russians to Gibraltar and say that there are more Russians and Gibraltar is our land
        1. safon
          safon 16 February 2014 12: 31
          +2
          Quote: FRIGATE2
          wai wai wai. A general with a children's worldview, then let's move 100 pieces of Russians to Gibraltar and say that there are more Russians and Gibraltar is our land


          Can Ukrainians do the same? laughing
          1. rolik
            rolik 16 February 2014 13: 59
            0
            Quote: Safon
            Can Ukrainians do the same?

            They also relocate to Gibraltar ????
      2. Humpty
        Humpty 16 February 2014 10: 20
        +6
        Quote: Tersky
        But the time will come when he will leave his presidency and we will all witness an interesting story in the Land of Kazakhs.


        If a new economic miracle (in a positive sense) does not happen in Kazakhstan, then an "interesting story" can begin under the current president as well.
        1. Crawl
          Crawl 16 February 2014 15: 36
          +2
          will not happen. I guarantee it
      3. Veteran Vlad.
        Veteran Vlad. 16 February 2014 10: 36
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        But we must pay tribute to Nazarbayev. Well done, not like our neoliberals, who made it a rule to host in the minds of our citizens with their collaborative ideas

        Yes, you’re right for us to have such a NATIONALALLY-ORIENTED LEADER, otherwise these COPRADORIES HAVE BLOCKED OUT
        But with the name - it's THEIR PERSONAL CASE HOW TO NAME YOURSELF
    2. FRIGATE2
      FRIGATE2 16 February 2014 09: 50
      -12%
      Quote: Humpty
      In connection with the realization of the greatness of the "liberated people" not only settlements suddenly acquired allegedly historical names. Even the mountains, which were ordered to rise higher, realized a new policy. In order to increase the "prestige" of the state to the desired level, at least two significant peaks were raised. "The colonialists. "and in this greatness was trampled upon.

      Hare infringe on the small peoples of the former USSR. Maybe you should just reconsider your Soviet views and look at history not from your point of view, but objectively and honestly ?.

      You are told that in Russia there was feudalism, that the Russian peasants were kept by slaves by the owners, so right away, we are good and this could not be, but if you look at all the literature of the 1700-1800s, landlords and serfs are described so completely.

      You are told that Rosh. empire, USSR - colonial empires, so you again, they say we are always good Russians and did it for you, where is the logic? If you discuss or argue with you, then always a one-goal game is obtained. You can score only at the gates of small nations, but you can’t score against Russians, we are good. Be honest and objective at least once and try to enter someone else’s skin at least once and look at it from your opponent’s side.

      If you are so kind, why aren’t you letting Tatarstan learn its language and do what they want with it?

      If so good, why in the USSR all schools for "small peoples" in Russian?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 16 February 2014 11: 26
        +3
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        You are told that Rosh. Empire, USSR - Colonial Empires

        You repeat, all questions have already been answered
        http://topwar.ru/39673-byli-li-u-rossii-kolonii-pozdnee-predislovie.html#comment
        -id-1949024
      2. Altona
        Altona 16 February 2014 14: 02
        +8
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        If you are so kind, why aren’t you letting Tatarstan learn its language and do what they want with it?

        _________________________________

        Who doesn't give them what? Should I teach them their language?)) So I don't speak Chuvash either, although I live in Chuvashia ... Tatars always rattled in their native language, no one ever interfered with it ... And with the language they want, that's what they do ... Let them do it with the language, and with the rest of their paraphernalia ... So I went to Chelny 15 years ago on a business trip, in a UAZ-loaf, so even Russian flags were not hung there, only my own - orange - green ... There is no such state of Tatarstan, hammer it into your head! No, and never was, there is a republic within the Russian Federation ... The rest is all from the evil one. Tatars are descendants of the Volga Bulgars, not the Horde uluses. The Tatars, a people assimilated into the Russian nation, like many others, no one will offer them a better future, especially the separatists who naively hope for the oil of Almetyevsk and their own "cunning" ... Saddam and Gaddafi also hoped ... So don't shaggy apayka and babai !!
        * apayka wife
        * grandfather ...
    3. old rocket man
      old rocket man 16 February 2014 10: 54
      +12
      Quote: Humpty
      "Colonizers" and in this trampled upon greatness


      An example, most importantly, a demonstration-Mongolia is chosen!
      For some reason, the Finns don’t bother, the self-name is Suomi, but in life Finland, as a derivative of the Swedish Finnmark and everything seems to be in order with debts, they don’t care that there is also Holland, Iceland, Greenland, because they are not such an "ancient state " laughinglike Kazakhstan laughing
  • demotivator
    demotivator 16 February 2014 07: 42
    +13
    And before that, all Russian place names were eliminated in Kazakhstan.
    Quote: Tatarus
    I envy the Kazakhs.

    And what about the Russians in Kazakhstan?
    1. Beck
      Beck 16 February 2014 10: 53
      +3
      Quote: demotivator
      And before that, all Russian place names were eliminated in Kazakhstan.


      Not all, don't overdo it.

      But in fact, in most cases, those names that were there from time immemorial were renamed. The water area of ​​the Caspian Sea and the place where the Ural River flows into it From time immemorial, the Kazakhs called Atyrau. Atyrau was also called the Caspian Sea itself. It was at this place that the merchant Guryev laid the prison, which later grew into a city and took the name Guryev. Subsequently, the Caspian became shallow and Guriev was not on the seashore, but simply on the river. Therefore, Guryev was renamed to Atyrau and so in many places.

      Akmolinsk - Tselinograd - Astana.
      Akmola - White grave, the area on which there was a white grave mazar. It was at this place that the Cossacks laid down their settlement. I foresee the smiles of the Urashniks, they say the Graves. But here is the difference in mentality. Kazakhs and Turks do not have fairy tales that bloodsuckers and ghouls crawl out of the graves. Graves are a holy place of tranquility of ancestors. And it’s wild to imagine that suddenly the grandfather becomes a vampire. So, in Soviet times, Akmola was renamed Tselinograd and no one in Kazakhstan yelled. And then they gave a new name to the new capital.

      But, those settlements that were laid by Russians in a bare place have retained their names so far - Pavlodar, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Semipalatinsk and more.

      And the renaming of the streets? So who needs in Transcaucasia, in Central Asia, in the Baltic streets - Communist, Krasnopartizanskie, Kalinisk, 11 international, Komsomol, etc. I admit - there is no limit to the agility of officials. In Almaty they renamed Cosmonauts Street, it was a memory of the birth of astronautics, of the first launch into space from the land of Kazakhstan. It’s good that Gagarin’s street was left.

      I am not a supporter of renaming KAZAKHSTAN. The word Stan of Iranian-speaking origin means the Earth, that is, Kazakhstan is the Land of the Kazakhs (Similar to Tatarstan, Uzbekistan). And the word Stan showed the history of the formation of modern Turkic peoples from the assimilation of ancient Turks with Indo-Europeans - Iranian-speaking Arians, once before the arrival of the Turks who inhabited the territory of Kazakhstan.

      Last thing. The author did not accurately translate the name ҚАЗАҚ ЕЛІ. This is not the Kazakh people. ELI is a birthplace, a small homeland, in a broader sense, the homeland. So, a more accurate translation is the homeland of the Kazakhs.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 16 February 2014 11: 07
        +2
        Quote: Beck
        So, a more accurate translation is the homeland of the Kazakhs.

        It also confused me, we also just thought the Cossacks gave a different meaning))
        1. Beck
          Beck 16 February 2014 11: 48
          +3
          Quote: Yeraz
          It also confused me, we also just thought the Cossacks gave a different meaning


          So where are we going from each other? We have the same root words - Spruce, Halyk, words of the account, etc.
      2. avt
        avt 16 February 2014 11: 21
        +4
        Quote: Beck
        I am not a supporter of renaming KAZAKHSTAN.

        Nah! Give Cossack ate for elbasy! Here you rename - we require Peter to rename Putinburg. laughing
        1. safon
          safon 16 February 2014 12: 35
          +3
          Quote: avt
          Quote: Beck
          I am not a supporter of renaming KAZAKHSTAN.

          Nah! Give Cossack ate for elbasy! Here you rename - we require Peter to rename Putinburg. laughing


          I don’t know how about Peter, but Sochi can definitely be renamed.
          1. avt
            avt 16 February 2014 13: 20
            +1
            Quote: Safon
            I don’t know how about Peter, but Sochi can definitely be renamed.

            Yes easily! Let Lower Putinburg be, or New.
            1. rolik
              rolik 16 February 2014 14: 05
              +1
              Quote: avt
              Yes easily! Let Lower Putinburg be, or New.

              That is, as I understand it, what for there was something to build. You see, you know, the Sochi residents have been snickering. They have the sea, the sun, so they have also built all kinds of new sports facilities, new hotels. Why envy ??? move to those edges for permanent residence.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 16 February 2014 14: 21
                +1
                Quote: rolik
                Why envy ??? move to those edges for permanent residence.


                Soon the winter Universiade in Krasnoyarsk, maybe it's better to go there permanently?
              2. avt
                avt 16 February 2014 14: 31
                0
                Quote: rolik
                You see, you know, the Sochi residents have been snickering. They have the sea, the sun, so they have also built all kinds of new sports facilities, new hotels. Why envy

                Come on, don’t you understand jokes?
                Quote: RUSS
                Soon the winter Universiade in Krasnoyarsk, maybe it's better to go there permanently?

                Well, there at one time a constituent congress like "United Russia" was held, now the party is headed by Prime Minister Medvedev - we will rename, in accordance with the location, in "Srednye MedvedI"! laughing
        2. alone
          alone 16 February 2014 12: 36
          +3
          One incorrect translation of the word, please, go and go clarification of relations between Russia and Kazakhstan. Mr. Shustov, If you cannot correctly translate the word
          KAZAKH FIR, then what hangover generally wrote this article?

          The people, this is pure provocation and the Author acts as a provocateur.
          This translation cannot be called otherwise.
          1. rolik
            rolik 16 February 2014 14: 08
            +5
            Quote: lonely
            The people, this is pure provocation and the Author acts as a provocateur.

            Here it’s violet to me how the Kazakhs will call their country. Once again, this is their purely personal matter, they want to be called that, they want that way. The main thing is to adjoin normally. And then again they began to look for traces of the Masonic conspiracy in the Kazakh steppes))))))
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 16 February 2014 14: 23
              +2
              Quote: rolik
              Here it’s violet to me how the Kazakhs will call their country. Once again, this is their purely personal matter, they want to be called that, they want that way. The main thing is to adjoin normally. And then again they began to look for traces of the Masonic conspiracy in the Kazakh steppes))))))


              Today, Sunday, almost everyone is at home, there are no particularly interesting articles today, so the discussion is heated, especially the topic is sensitive.
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 17 February 2014 02: 53
            +1
            Omar, hi! There, the author refers to Erasyl Abylkasymov. This is such a political ... girl of easy virtue. There is a lot of such bias. Well renamed streets, schools, etc .. So what? I myself am not a supporter of all stupid renaming. But why dig in someone else's garden. There are Pushkin, and Tolstoy, and Shevchenko, and Gogol and other streets. And everyone knows who it is. And we live like peacefully, and young people give way to their elders in the bus, regardless of nationalities. hi
        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 16 February 2014 17: 57
          +2
          Quote: avt
          Here you rename - we require Peter to rename Putinburg.

          Thank you, we like the name St. Petersburg. Although in the version you proposed at the end of the word there is also a burg, but still Putinburg reminds me right away, some kind of fast food))
      3. Altona
        Altona 16 February 2014 14: 18
        +2
        Quote: Beck
        Last thing. The author did not accurately translate the name ҚАЗАҚ ЕЛІ. This is not the Kazakh people. ELI is a birthplace, a small homeland, in a broader sense, the homeland. So, a more accurate translation is the homeland of the Kazakhs.

        ------------------------------------
        The Chuvash went through it ... Well, we called ourselves Chavashien, what has changed? All the same, in widespread use we are Chuvashia or the Chuvash Republic ... I don’t write on a postcard to Germany - the Russian Federation, Chavashien ... I am writing-Chuvash Republic ... Just like Germany I call Germany, not Deutschland or D ' Allemagne ... Meaning? Will we switch to digital codes in 10 years? Are we going to go crazy with numbers?
      4. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 16 February 2014 16: 10
        0
        Have you been in Astana for a long time? Until now, in the end, the streets of Schors, Chapaev, Mozhaysky, Zataevich, Pushkin cannot be counted at the sawmill as much as Herzen just do not remember. They removed Lenin Komsomolskaya, October everything in this style.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 19: 27
          +2
          Quote: RK refugee
          Have you been in Astana for a long time? Until now, in the end, the streets of Schors, Chapaev, Mozhaysky, Zataevich, Pushkin cannot be counted at the sawmill as much as Herzen just do not remember. They removed Lenin Komsomolskaya, October everything in this style.



          Kazakh Armenians against renaming Mirzoyan street in Astana
          http://news.nur.kz/291593.html
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      5. Beck
        Beck 16 February 2014 16: 48
        0
        Quote: Beck
        So, a more accurate translation is the homeland of the Kazakhs.


        And I did not translate it very accurately in my first comment. The exact translation is this.

        ҚAZҚ ЕЛІ - MOTHERLAND OF KAZAKHSTAN.

        And it is entirely possible that the author deliberately gave the wrong translation in order to stir up the deceived.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 16: 54
          +4
          Quote: Beck
          ҚАЗАҚ ЕЛІ - MOTHER OF KAZAKHSTAN

          but let's not dissemble
          1. Beck
            Beck 16 February 2014 17: 36
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            but let's not dissemble


            Why dissemble?

            In Kazakh, the word Kazakhstanis is not pronounced. A synonym for Kazakhs in Kazakh is қазақтар. Kazakhstani - Қазақ. And based on the grammar and vocabulary of the Kazakh language, the Motherland of Kazakhstanis will be so.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 17: 45
              +1
              Quote: Beck
              In Kazakh, the word Kazakhstanis is not pronounced

              it’s not logical to translate as KAZAKHSTAN, and your Natsik translate just like Kazakhs and not Kazakhstanis
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 17 February 2014 03: 03
                +4
                Hello Vladimir Why are you hooked on these Natsik. They are 0 here. No influence, neither in parliament nor in power. And if a representative of some state. Institutions will hurt you on nat. sign, then write to the prosecutor's office, to the Administration of Kab Min and the President, to Nur Otan and to the representative office of the RUSSIAN COMMUNITY of KAZAKHSTAN in the building of the Small Arena. Everything from work will be expelled with a period of non-admission of work in state. structure.
                It is simply not appropriate to constantly refer to them. We do not refer to the same in Russia. Or the party Tyagnibok in Ukraine. Natsik is Natsik and that's it. hi
                We are KAZAKHSTAN, and then Kazakh, Russian, etc.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 17 February 2014 16: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Kasym
                  You will be offended by nat. sign, then write to the prosecutor's office, to the Administration of Kab Min and the President, to Nur Otan and to the representative office of the RUSSIAN COMMUNITY of KAZAKHSTAN in the building of the Small Arena.

                  you’ll be surprised wrote to the prosecutor’s office of the National Security Committee and the Ministry of Internal Affairs the last two did not answer the first one said that since this act is criminally punishable and I am not a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan, they can only accept the application from me if I personally come to the Republic of Kazakhstan
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        3. ekzorsist
          ekzorsist 17 February 2014 22: 40
          -1
          Quote: Beck
          And I did not translate it very accurately in my first comment.

          Quote: Beck
          ҚAZAҚ ELI - THE KIND OF KAZAKHSTAN.

          ... Well, why lie then ???
          Everything was correctly translated, right!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GknMV4Y1mK8
          So the Natsik Kazakhs confirm this.
          That is - Nazism in Kazakhstan - is PROMISING! And do not (as already there) apache shag.
  • Igor39
    Igor39 16 February 2014 07: 46
    +13
    Many Russian-speaking people would leave, but nowhere. Russia with its resettlement program offers to go to the very .ope, some refuse the program and benefits, if only to go where they want. That's something like that.
    1. FRIGATE2
      FRIGATE2 16 February 2014 09: 33
      -22%
      Quote: Igor39
      Many Russian-speaking people would leave, but nowhere. Russia with its resettlement program offers to go to the very .ope, some refuse the program and benefits, if only to go where they want. That's something like that.

      They will never leave for Russia, because in the Republic of Kazakhstan, they occupy the highest posts, deputies, akims, doctors, teachers, hold posts in Nur-Otan, etc. But the most interesting is that most of them with dual citizenship and children are taught in Tomsk, Omsk, etc.
      If you honestly look at the situation, then it is the Russians themselves in the Republic of Kazakhstan who are constantly boiling over, whether the people are like that, or the Soviet upbringing is to blame. And they are the ones who are building the Fifth Column in Kazakhstan, not wanting to go to Russia, because there they themselves will become the objects of ridicule of their own relatives and of course they will lose high posts and in the Russian Federation they will become "homeless".

      They know very well that the Russians are not waiting for them, and even hate calling them Kazakhs. But instead of recognizing Kazakhstan as their state, as well as other nations in Kazakhstan, they hate this state. Here, too, you will not understand why they want so much, maybe all these are echoes of the imperial past.

      This is the same as the British in Bengal, after the fall of the empire, they do not want to go to England, as they occupy good positions, but they also do not recognize India
      1. Smoke
        Smoke 16 February 2014 09: 53
        +10
        Can a Russian frigate take part in the election of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan and take the highest public office in Kazakhstan? What should a Russian person do for this? To accept Islam, forget your native language and become a Kazakh?
        Please answer honestly these questions and maybe then you will understand why Russians in Kazakhstan will never love Kazakhstan. Of course, I may be exaggerating about Islam, but this is so far, because no one knows what the following requirements will be for the Russians there.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 16 February 2014 09: 59
          +1
          Quote: Smoke
          Can a Russian frigate take part in the election of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan and take the highest public office in Kazakhstan?

          Maybe the Russians hold top positions in the state.
          1. Smoke
            Smoke 16 February 2014 10: 10
            +2
            I'm not talking about "higher positions", don't be cunning with me, in Kazakhstan there is only one top position - the President, all the others - mean nothing.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 16 February 2014 10: 14
              +3
              Quote: Smoke
              in Kazakhstan there is only one top position - this is the President, all the others - do not mean anything.

              Well then, we’ll be realistic. Under the law in Russia and in Kazakhstan, anyone can be president. But in reality in both countries it’s not so. In Russia, even the Russian Islamic faith will not be allowed to be not Russian. So, what claims can be to the Cossacks, when so themselves ??
              1. Smoke
                Smoke 16 February 2014 10: 30
                +7
                Let’s be realistic, here’s a FACT: a Kazakh by nationality Oman Tuleyev participated in the election of the President of the Russian Federation, took roofing felts 4th roofing felts 5th place (I could be wrong here), at the moment he is the governor of the Kemerovo region. And what about Kazakhstan?
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 16 February 2014 10: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Smoke
                  And what about Kazakhstan?

                  But I wouldn’t take the first one and wouldn’t give it. In the Russian parliament, Russians are represented and I also saw Russian ministers.
                  Google see.
                  1. Smoke
                    Smoke 16 February 2014 11: 12
                    +5
                    I’ll tell you that Russians do not look primarily at nationality, but at deeds and spirit: if a person respects traditional Russian values, doesn’t interfere with Russians living as they are accustomed to, then they will elect not even Russian or Orthodox as President. I am impressed by Yevkurov, but I will not vote for him, not because he is Ingush, but simply because he "will not pull" such a position, as Tuleyev would not have. Tuleyev as a governor is not bad, very good, in his region new mines are opening and agriculture is growing and tourism is developing, the roads there are perhaps the best in Western Siberia. But he will not pull the presidency - he is too harsh and straightforward.
                    And what about Kazakhstan? I repeat my question
                2. romb
                  romb 16 February 2014 15: 11
                  +4
                  Yes, easily!)))
                  Here is just one ma-ah-ah ... petty such a request, not even a request, but a trifle not worth mentioning: let, for starters, possible candidates for the post of president of the Republic of Kazakhstan master Kazakh (state) language at the same level as - Aman Tuleev speaks Russian. And then, you yourself understand, it will be somehow absurd to look from the side when the president of the country cannot even bring to the attention of the majority of his fellow citizens.

                  Z.Y. Smoke, I understand your popol on Kazakh topics, but at least try to tear the template and not look as stupid again as ever. wink
                  1. Smoke
                    Smoke 16 February 2014 16: 03
                    +1
                    Excuse me, where can I learn the LITERARY Kazakh language? I didn’t hear something about this ...
                    There is English literary, there is German, there is Russian, but I don’t remember Kazakh something ..
                    And again, to the question of language, why is Russian not a state language? This is, after all, discrimination on language
                    1. romb
                      romb 16 February 2014 16: 48
                      +2
                      Are you sure you will draw the Kazakh literary language?
                      This is for you - do not suit the Internet. fellow
                      In order to understand the essence, it is not enough to know the Kazakh language, you need at least to live with my people for more than a dozen years and eat more than a pound of salt with it. Although, who knows. In short, go for it. To get started, read a few works of a small fraction of Kazakh poets, composers and writers. Maybe you will understand something:
                      Makhambet Utemisov, Shakarim Kudaiberdyuly, Zhayau Musa Bayzhanov, Serniyaz Zharylgasov, Suyunbai Aronuly, Birzhan-sal Kozhagulov, Akan Sere, Zhambul Zhabaev, Gaziz Fayzolla, Kenen Azerbaev, Abay Kunanbaul, Saken Seyen Seyf.

                      Later, the exam ....)))
                      1. Smoke
                        Smoke 16 February 2014 17: 43
                        -1
                        I know Russian classics, I only know within the framework of the school curriculum ...)) The scream on the Internet is also not for me, just when I see a lie, and on your part it was a lie that the Russian can run for President of Kazakhstan, I I am not silent, that’s all) And by the way, you still haven’t answered about the status of the Russian language in Kazakhstan, although of course, it’s better to ignore uncomfortable questions.
                        By the way, yes ... it seems that almost half or even more of the above authors wrote in Russian ... And as for the literary Kazakh language, I also don’t quite know, is it still there or isn’t there yet? And then about 3-4 years ago, with an edge of my ear I heard that you had a wild polemic in Kazakhstan about what the Kazakh language should be like: you have so many dialects of dialects ... and every dialect of the great and mighty Kazakh language claimed the right to be strictly correct and solely ideologically correct. Apparently riveted in a shurik.
                      2. romb
                        romb 16 February 2014 18: 19
                        +3
                        Smoke, what a habit you have to jump off the topic!
                        You asked a question:
                        Excuse me, where can I learn the LITERARY Kazakh language?

                        Based on what, I uploaded to you the names of individual authors who wrote exactly in the Kazakh LITERARY language!
                        And about uncomfortable questions ...
                        I, in my opinion, have already given a solution to this "problem" - the candidate must be multilingual. For example, I am more than confident that a candidate who speaks only the Kazakh language would also not be able to run for president of the Republic of Kazakhstan. And that now we need to start to fight in hysterics, shout that this is discrimination based on race, nationality and language?))))
                      3. Smoke
                        Smoke 16 February 2014 18: 29
                        -1
                        So the fact of the matter is that you yourself there first decide what the literary Kazakh language is, and then demand multilingualism. But about the multilingualism in relation to candidates for the President of Kazakhstan, I agree with you - that’s fair.
                      4. romb
                        romb 16 February 2014 18: 40
                        +2
                        Do not be confused! We don’t even have any problems with the literary language. Just the Kazakh language in this aspect is very rich. But with scientific and technical terminology, yes, there really are certain flaws.
                        Before trying to speculate on a language issue, it would not hurt you to familiarize yourself with the actual state of affairs.
                      5. Smoke
                        Smoke 16 February 2014 19: 38
                        0
                        the fact is that I do not believe you) from I do not believe and that's it! Here, someone Marek laid out a bunch of statistics tons of photos about how everything is fine in Kazakhstan, about which international is flourishing in the great steppes .... but what happened?)
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X4Hp6RmvYI#t=16

                        how to trust you
                      6. romb
                        romb 16 February 2014 20: 20
                        +3
                        Christmas tree sticks, stop acting like a girl:
                        I believe, I don’t believe, I'm afraid you will deceive me, etc. etc.)))
                        You can believe in at least one thing. Namely, I am not going to persuade someone, the only thing I would like is for Russian speculations on the topic of interethnic communication in my country to be as few as possible. Training hamsters is easy. Just look, as if later it didn’t turn sideways. In Russia, and so is the growth of various kinds of fascist sentiments.

                        And as for the video, do you even know what this material is about?
                        The national question was one of the reasons for reaching ... the opposition leaders. Politics is a dirty business!
                        In short, past!
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                    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 19: 55
                      -1
                      Quote: romb
                      Do not be confused! We don’t even have any problems with the literary language.

                      well, for the sake of truth, for the sake of the problem with the language, I myself observed the picture as in the publishing house of the Narkhoz, two Kazakh editors had just not beaten each other's faces because of how to spell
                    4. romb
                      romb 16 February 2014 20: 24
                      +1
                      A typical working moment: "Truth is born in an argument"
                    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 20: 35
                      +3
                      they didn’t find the truth, but one of the torn off the collar.
                      and how many runs were allowed under the knife, when it suddenly turned out that the word was spelled wrong
            2. ekzorsist
              ekzorsist 17 February 2014 23: 27
              -1
              Quote: romb
              Based on what, I uploaded to you the names of individual authors who wrote exactly in the Kazakh LITERARY language!
              And about uncomfortable questions ...
              In my opinion, I have already given a solution to this "problem" - the candidate must be multilingual. For example, I am more than sure that a candidate who knows only the Kazakh language would also not be able to run for president of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

              Well, about the language ... Kazakhs haven’t decided yet to the end ...
              The cries, moans and groans continue, BUT while the first president is in power, no one (!!!), no one dares even doubt the correctness of HIS Kazakh language!
              But discrimination on linguistic and religious grounds is still evident ... Recently, it seems that even with their own Muslims, Tatars, they managed to get into trouble ... because of the mosque ...
              Well, for some reason, the Tatars do not want to go to the Kazakh mosque that has been built for big grandmothers - and it is expensive and noisy and the mullahs there are far from shining with goodness (according to the Tatars themselves), but go to their small mosque, where services can be held for more modest money and so on ... But all this for some time, until the question arises - "... why does this money, offerings and so on pass by OUR MOSQUE ???" ... and the squabble began!
              So, no need to talk about "purity of thoughts" ...
          2. Zymran
            Zymran 16 February 2014 18: 24
            +2
            Quote: Smoke
            because you have so many dialects of dialects .... and each dialect of the great and mighty Kazakh language claimed the right to be strictly correct and only ideologically correct. Apparently riveted in a shurik.


            There are no dialects in the Kazakh language.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 16 February 2014 11: 07
    +3
    Quote: Yeraz
    By law, both in Russia and Kazakhstan


    Where is Kazakhstan? Maybe Kazahstan.
    The "editor" underlines you with a red line saying that there is no such word, if you want to please the Kazakhs, write on the Kazakh keyboard with their alphabet.
    1. Beck
      Beck 16 February 2014 16: 59
      +4
      Quote: RUSS
      Where is Kazakhstan? Maybe Kazahstan.


      This is because of ignorance of the origin of the ethnonym. Kazakhs call themselves only Қазақ.

      It’s in 30 years that the Russian estate of the Cossacks and the Turkic people of Kazakhs were not confused, the Soviet government and attributed to us at the end of the ethnonym instead of the letter Қ the letter X.

      Therefore, in Russian you call us Kazakhs, we call ourselves қazaқ.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 03
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      Where is Kazakhstan? Maybe Kazahstan.

      There is no Kazakstan. What you incorrectly know, well, that’s ...
      Quote: RUSS
      The "editor" underlines you with a red line saying that there is no such word, if you want to please the Kazakhs, write on the Kazakh keyboard with their alphabet.

      So these are my problems, that the editor doesn’t know this ?? There is a name that the Cossacks themselves use. I always wondered why the Turks were their Cossacks, and they called the country of Kazakistan and did not understand it as a product of Russian education until the Cossacks explained. People should be called , as he calls himself, and not engage in fantasies.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 18: 07
        +4
        Quote: Yeraz
        No Kazakstan. What you incorrectly know, well, that’s

        I’m wondering why to instigate and cause negative, in Russian it is written KAZAХMILL
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 37
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          I’m wondering why to instigate and cause negative, in Russian it is written KAZAKHSTAN

          The question is met !!! Why a nation that calls itself one by one because of the desire or desire of others, I have to distort their name ??? Who are you to me ??? This is the same thing my friend’s name is Zhenya, and another American friend asks me to call Zhenya Dzheney. And I should spoil the correct because of nearness of someone ???
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          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 51
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Russia in Kazakh sounds completely different, but no one would even think to require the Kazakhs to write toponyms according to the rules of another language

            Listen Cossack calls himself a Cossack and all !!!
            the dispute is over.
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 18: 54
            +3
            Do you write in Russian or Kazakh?
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      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 18: 48
        +3
        Quote: Yeraz
        Why should a nation that calls itself one by one because of the desire or desire of others, should I distort their name ???

        are you fooling around ?!
        Russia in Kazakh sounds completely different, but no one would even think to require the Kazakhs to write toponyms according to the rules of another language
        and if you ignorantly turned for an example to names and their sound in English (by the way the top of stupidity) then look for spelling interest in the spelling and transcription of Polish names and surnames
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  • RUSS
    RUSS 16 February 2014 18: 20
    +3
    Quote: Yeraz
    So these are my problems, that the editor doesn’t know this ?? There is a name that the Cossacks themselves use. I always wondered why the Turks were their Cossacks, and they called the country of Kazakistan and did not understand it as a product of Russian education until the Cossacks explained. People should be called how is he himself
    called, and not engage in fantasies.


    If I understand you correctly, then from today on, write the names of countries and nations by their self-name and their alphabet, such as the example of England (England) and the population english (English), right? Or does this only apply to Turkic-speaking states?
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 44
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      If I understand you correctly, then from today on, write the names of countries and nations by their self-name and their alphabet, such as the example of England (England) and the population english (English), right? Or does this only apply to Turkic-speaking states?

      This applies to those whom I know for sure. If it turns out that the Englishman is annoying or the name I pronounce will be incorrect, I will pronounce it differently. For me, as a representative of Azerbaijan, who have been persistently called Tatars for more than a century, this is important. And if the nation calls itself differently says that this is right, then I will be on the side of the carrier.
      This is the same as the Kyrgyz expressed their dissatisfaction with what I call them Kyrgyzstan.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 18: 50
        +3
        Quote: Yeraz
        If it turns out that the Englishman is annoying or the name I pronounce is incorrect, I will pronounce it differently

        and so it strains Russians
        Quote: Yeraz
        And if the nation calls itself differently and says that this is right, then I will be on the side of the carrier.

        when do you require Kazakhs to write Kazakh in Russian instead of Resay? !!!!!
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 16 February 2014 20: 43
        -2
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        when do you require Kazakhs to write Kazakh in Russian instead of Resay? !!!!!

        And what do I need to demand from them ?? This is everyone’s business. I think it’s right for me how to write, but I didn’t force you to write KazAK, but you demand from me.
        Personally, you can demand from me how to write correctly, but from what hangover should I demand from the Cossacks ?? Moreover, they use Russia in communication here, I personally have never seen anything else. And I write here Russia, and not Azeri .
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 20: 47
        +1
        Once again, write in Russian, do not like it, do not communicate with the Russians
      4. Yeraz
        Yeraz 16 February 2014 21: 01
        -1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Once again, write in Russian, do not like it, do not communicate with the Russians

        good bye fellow
  • Igor39
    Igor39 16 February 2014 11: 27
    +2
    Name someone from a senior position.
  • Beck
    Beck 16 February 2014 11: 28
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    Maybe the Russians hold top positions in the state.


    Tereshchenko S.A. - First Prime Minister of independent Kazakhstan.

    Bozhko Vladimir Karpovich - Minister for Emergency Situations of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

    Lepekhin I.V. - Chairman of the Administrative Police Committee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
    Elections A.N. - Chairman of the Committee on the fight against drug trafficking of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
    Sher Raisa Petrovna - Chairman of the Committee on the Protection of Children's Rights of the Ministry of Education and Science of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
    Galiev Vladislav Germanovich - Chairman of the Committee for Construction Affairs of the MPR of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

    Akims of regions at different times; Lavrienko, Desyatnik, Mette, Khrapunov, Nefedov, Knyazev, Novikov, Hartman, Smirnov, Chernov, Kulagin, Brynkin.

    Akims of districts and towns will not be enough to list places.
    1. Smoke
      Smoke 16 February 2014 11: 33
      +5
      One Minister, and then in our Minister of the Ministry of Emergencies, who has no political influence in the country at all ... the rest of the Chairmen of the Committees, there’s nothing to talk about.
      1. Beck
        Beck 16 February 2014 12: 30
        0
        Quote: Smoke
        One Minister, and then in our Minister of the Ministry of Emergencies, who has no political influence in the country at all ... the rest of the Chairmen of the Committees, there’s nothing to talk about.


        If there is nothing to talk about, be silent. And then - You have no one. When you bring the facts - Yes it’s not that, there is no influence, etc. nonsense. In your government, too, one Shoigu was the Minister of Emergency Situations, now the Minister of Defense. It is possible that Bozhko will grow to the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
        1. Smoke
          Smoke 16 February 2014 12: 49
          +3
          what does Shoigu have to do with it? I don’t understand at all) And the fact that the chairman of some committee, especially on children's rights, now it turns out to be one of the TOP government posts, it turned out to be REVENUS thanks, I was pleased to write more)))
      2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 16 February 2014 16: 13
        0
        Yes, now everyone knows how you received the application for refugee status in the FMS!
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 16 February 2014 11: 40
      +4
      Akims of the regions are not Russian now.
  • Clegg
    Clegg 16 February 2014 10: 23
    -1
    Quote: Smoke
    Can a Russian frigate take part in the election of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan and take the highest public office in Kazakhstan?

    Any citizen if he knows the state language and if he wins the elections (although they are now non-democratic, however, as in Russia), it is quite possible.
    1. Smoke
      Smoke 16 February 2014 10: 41
      +14
      so we come to the question of language, answer why Russian is not a state language in Kazakhstan? Why does the constitution stipulate that Kazakhstan is the country of the Kazakh nation and only, and where are the other nations? Or Kazakhstan developed - only Kazakhs built? For some reason, in Kyrgyzstan they were able to pay tribute to the Russian contribution to the development of Kyrgyzstan - there, along with Kyrgyz, the Russian language is the state language, and therefore there are no complaints to Kyrgyzstan at all, there really is a Russian legal opportunity to be elected to any top post. In Kazakhstan, this is not possible due to language discrimination. In Kazakhstan, any Russian who is at any post feels like a temporary worker, because he understands that he can be removed at any time due to insufficient knowledge of the Kazakh language - do you want such workers to work in good faith? To such citizens love their homeland?
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 16 February 2014 10: 51
        -1
        Quote: Smoke
        Why does the constitution stipulate that Kazakhstan is the country of the Kazakh nation and only, and where are the other nations?

        False
        “We, the people of Kazakhstan, united by a common historical destiny, building statehood on the primordial Kazakh land, recognizing ourselves as a peaceful civil society, committed to the ideals of freedom, equality and harmony, wishing to take a worthy place in the world community, recognizing our high responsibility to present and future generations, proceeding from our sovereign right, we accept this Constitution. ”
        This is how the Constitution of the Republic of Kazakhstan adopted on 30.08.95 begins.

        All people, regardless of ethnic and religious origin, have equal civil rights, but this state is built on the original Kazakh land and the whole point. The official language is Kazakh. I will be against any second language, be it Russian or English, etc.
        1. Smoke
          Smoke 16 February 2014 11: 03
          +7
          BASES OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM:

          First: the Republic of Kazakhstan (Kazakhstan) - a democratic, secular and unitary state.
          The Republic of Kazakhstan as a form of statehood of the self-determined Kazakh nation provides equal rights to all its citizens.

          1993 Constitution Now legally lost its power, BUT state power acts in the same spirit.
          In the current constitution in article 7, only the Kazakh language is the state language.

          And as for the language .... well, people like you will have to tear up a belt to start with, or you’ve imagined too much about yourself, and then we’ll talk to someone in Kazastan what rights and whose land this is in truth. All point.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 16 February 2014 11: 12
            +1
            Quote: Smoke
            First: the Republic of Kazakhstan (Kazakhstan) - a democratic, secular and unitary state.
            The Republic of Kazakhstan as a form of statehood of the self-determined Kazakh nation provides equal rights to all its citizens.

            1993 Constitution Now legally lost its power, BUT state power acts in the same spirit.
            In the current constitution in article 7, only the Kazakh language is the state language.

            So they changed this Constitution, what is the problem?

            Quote: Smoke
            And about the language .... well, people like you will have to get a belt to start,

            laughing You are not mistaken on the site?)))))))))
            1. Smoke
              Smoke 16 February 2014 11: 28
              +5
              with a belt like the eldest brother of a family-friendly younger brother without a hut, we’ll flush the brains of young Natsik people like you, accept the normal fair constitution, make Russians in Kazakhstan full citizens with all possibilities, and then we will live together normally like brothers - one for all and all for one. Well, if you don’t want good, then you’ll have bad: Kzyl Horde, Chimkent and Dzhambul - this is where your current constitution will operate, and the rest of the territory will be for normal people and Russians and Kazakhs - in a single state.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 16 February 2014 11: 34
                -1
                Quote: Smoke
                . Well, if you don’t want the good, then well, the bad:

                Wait and see)
                1. Igor39
                  Igor39 16 February 2014 11: 45
                  +3
                  Adays with oil will definitely want to live independently soon.
                2. Clegg
                  Clegg 16 February 2014 11: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: Igor39
                  Adays with oil will definitely want to live independently soon.

                  Did you communicate with them? Where does this statement come from?
            2. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 16 February 2014 12: 12
              +2
              Quote: Smoke
              with a belt, like the eldest brother of a younger family member without litter from the hut, we’ll cleanse the brains of people like you young Natsik, accept the normal fair constitution, make Russians in Kazakhstan full citizens with all the possibilities

              Well, what you say, it’s impossible. Smoke just needs to change the colonial oligarchic power in Our country and put in nationally oriented rulers and take all the Russians from the CIS countries and that’s all. And to behave in relation to the CIS countries in the same way as they are on an equal footing with us. And then we put pressure on some countries and they put pressure on us. You just need to be pragmatic without any statements about brotherhood and friendship. For Putin, for the sake of domination in the vastness of the CIS, he fulfills all the requirements of some CIS countries
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 16 February 2014 12: 22
                +2
                Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                Well, what you say, it’s impossible. Smoke just needs to change the colonial oligarchic power in Our country and put in nationally oriented rulers and take all the Russians from the CIS countries and that’s all. And to behave in relation to the CIS countries in the same way as they are on an equal footing with us. And then we put pressure on some countries and they put pressure on us. You just need to be pragmatic without any statements about brotherhood and friendship. For Putin, for the sake of domination in the vastness of the CIS, he fulfills all the requirements of some CIS countries

                I absolutely agree with you, only pragmatism in our relations and nothing more. I am sure we will find a common language without any TS / CSTO there. We will not spoil you, and you will not climb to us. What do you think?
              2. Veteran Vlad.
                Veteran Vlad. 16 February 2014 12: 31
                +4
                Quote: Clegg
                What do you think?

                I think so. I fully agree with you
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 16 February 2014 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: Clegg
      all point

      All of your "and point" somehow imperceptibly merged into an ellipsis. This is your "point" and your most powerful argument.
    3. Altona
      Altona 16 February 2014 14: 51
      +3
      Quote: Clegg
      All people, regardless of ethnic and religious origin, have equal civil rights, but this state is built on the original Kazakh land and the whole point. The official language is Kazakh. I will be against any second language, be it Russian or English, etc.

      -----------------------
      Duc and Russian athletes in the team do not take ... Sami master all sports ...
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 16 February 2014 16: 15
        -4
        And you are Caucasians!
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 15: 16
      +5
      Quote: Clegg
      We, the people of Kazakhstan, united by a common historical destiny ... This is how the Constitution of the Republic of Kazakhstan adopted on 30.08.95 begins


      and this is how they write on an Internet resource published with the support of the Presidential Foundation

      The main Kazakh language is to give birth to more Kazakhs, Kazakh spruce and Manglik spruce.
      And as for work, here we will expel all Russians, how many jobs will be vacated. Join your mother in the struggle for the Kazakh language. Russian speakers take your jobs!


      but so to speak
      1. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 16 February 2014 16: 17
        -7
        this is all not true, in Kazakhstan there is no such thing. it is the Russians who come up with the fifth column.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 16: 30
          +1
          Quote: TS3sta3
          this is all not true, in Kazakhstan there is no such thing. it is the Russians who come up with the fifth column.

          you accused me of lying ?!
          I cooked up a video or came up with a quote?
          1. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 16 February 2014 16: 35
            0
            That was sarcasm. I am Russian.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 16: 39
              0
              then somehow designate it and then dash what you might think hi
            2. TS3sta3
              TS3sta3 16 February 2014 16: 56
              0
              then, it would not be so obvious.
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    5. Smoke
      Smoke 16 February 2014 17: 21
      +3
      ahahaha)) I look forward to how the local forum Kazakh Natsik comment on this video ...))
      one thing pleases that, judging by the video of adequate normal Kazakhs, the majority is still the majority, which means that everything is still not lost both for Russians in Kazakhstan and for the Kazakhs themselves ... well, we will deal with these trotters))
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      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 17: 28
        +2
        Quote: Smoke
        one thing is good, judging by the video of adequate normal Kazakhs, nevertheless the majority

        the problem in today's education and propaganda in the Republic of Kazakhstan
  • Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 16 February 2014 11: 27
    0
    Give an excerpt from the Kazakh Constitution where it is written!
  • ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 17 February 2014 23: 10
    -1
    Quote: Smoke
    Can a Russian frigate take part in the election of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan and take the highest public office in Kazakhstan? What should a Russian person do for this? To accept Islam, forget your native language and become a Kazakh?
    Please answer honestly these questions and maybe then you will understand why Russians in Kazakhstan will never love Kazakhstan. Of course, I may be exaggerating about Islam, but this is so far, because no one knows what the following requirements will be for the Russians there.

    ... I will answer for him - even though the Russian is a Kazakhstani from birth ... he will never be the president of Kazakhstan!
  • novobranets
    novobranets 16 February 2014 10: 04
    +3
    Quote: FRIGATE2
    But the most interesting is that most of them with dual citizenship and children are taught in Tomsk, Omsk, etc.
    "According to the requirement of Art. 21 of the Law" On
    citizenship of the Republic of Kazakhstan ", a person who is a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan and has acquired the citizenship of a foreign state is obliged to inform within three working days about the fact of acquiring foreign citizenship and to hand over a passport and (or) identity card of the Republic of Kazakhstan to the internal affairs bodies or foreign institutions of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Republic of Kazakhstan"
    Read more: http://news.nur.kz/262926.html
    Quote: FRIGATE2
    in the Republic of Kazakhstan, they occupy the highest posts, deputies, akims, doctors, teachers, hold posts in Nur-Otan, etc.

    Lie, but know the measure. Look funny.
    1. FRIGATE2
      FRIGATE2 16 February 2014 10: 31
      -13%
      Quote: novobranets
      Lie, but know the measure. Look funny.

      where am I lying?

      Is it not true that Russians primarily educate children in the Russian Federation?
      Is it not true that they live in a suitcase mentality? in Russia they are not needed, they will be homeless there, but here they consider themselves above all the peoples of Kazakhstan in practice.
      God forbid if you go to get a job for a Russian employer, in addition to professional questions, he will ask unnecessary national questions
    2. Beck
      Beck 16 February 2014 11: 35
      +2
      Quote: novobranets
      Lie, but know the measure. Look funny.


      Now you yourself look funny, like on an avatar. See my top comment.
  • Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 16 February 2014 10: 23
    +5
    Quote: FRIGATE2
    They know very well that the Russians are not waiting for them, and even hate calling them Kazakhs. But instead of recognizing Kazakhstan as their state, as well as other nations in Kazakhstan, they hate this state. Here, too, you will not understand why they want so much, maybe all these are echoes of the imperial past.

    Quote: FRIGATE2
    If you honestly look at the situation, then it is the Russians themselves in the Republic of Kazakhstan who are constantly boiling over, whether the people are like that, or the Soviet upbringing is to blame. And they are the ones who are building the Fifth Column in Kazakhstan, not wanting to go to Russia, because there they themselves will become the objects of ridicule of their own relatives and of course they will lose high posts and in the Russian Federation they will become "homeless".

    Your reasoning and comments are very STUPID
  • TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 16 February 2014 10: 59
    -5
    would you go, fascist face.
    1. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 16 February 2014 11: 21
      +3
      Quote: TS3sta3
      would you go, fascist face.

      I do not want
      1. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 16 February 2014 11: 34
        -4
        smotori to whom it is addressed
    2. Clegg
      Clegg 16 February 2014 11: 26
      +4
      Quote: TS3sta3
      would you go, fascist face.

      Who authorized you will determine who will participate in the discussion and who will not? Habits from the Soviet past?
      1. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 16 February 2014 11: 37
        +1
        why discussion, again no evidence, one nonsense and incitement.
    3. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 16 February 2014 11: 26
      +2
      Quote: TS3sta3
      would you go, fascist face.

      Well, of course, the FASCIST Muzzle and Natsik, of course, after all, I dared to make a comment and object, of course, I am the Fascist Muzzle and what Fascist
      TS3sta3 - Please report to the Hague Tribunal or UN
  • Kostjan
    Kostjan 16 February 2014 15: 46
    +5
    I don’t know what hole you are from if you don’t know that far from all the posts you listed are held by Russian-speaking citizens. Most likely you are offended by someone you do not deserve. On this, speak badly about Russian-speaking. I also met such. Today, in all the posts you have listed, 15% of the Russian-speaking languages ​​are strong, the rest are Kazakhs and this is in Almaty, and I'm not talking about the rest of the south where there are almost no Russian-speakers left. He worked at a construction site and had to communicate with different people. And made a conclusion. The only fifth column in Kazakhstan is the Kazakhs themselves with their zhuzes. And about Russia, I’m just selling a house and going somewhere to Voronezh. For I am afraid that my children will lose their great culture.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 16: 58
    +5
    Quote: FRIGATE2
    They will never leave for Russia, because in the Republic of Kazakhstan, they occupy the highest posts, deputies, akims, doctors, teachers, hold posts in Nur-Otan, etc. But the most interesting is that most of them with dual citizenship and children are taught in Tomsk, Omsk, etc.

    firstly not respected in the Republic of Kazakhstan is not dual citizenship so that you are lying.
    secondly, children are taught in Russia with the aim that the children stay wherever possible
    Well, thirdly, you would spit a face
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  • ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 17 February 2014 23: 08
    +1
    Quote: FRIGATE2
    They will never leave for Russia,

    Quote: FRIGATE2
    To be honest with the situation, it’s just that the Russians themselves in Kazakhstan are boiling

    ... Well, if you really want to look so honestly, look - why should I leave the Russian native Russian lands, which for some unknown reason seemed to give to the Kazakhs, although there is no official act of seizing the lands from the Russian Federation in favor of Kazakhstan? ... There were some conditional, internal borders within the USSR, but ...? and all? These are not state borders.
    My ancestors lie here and have done a thousand times more to defend the borders of Russia than all the Kazakh zhuzes combined to defend "their" homeland ... It's funny, but even in the textbooks of the modern school curriculum (read, read) there is an interpretation of the boundaries of the "Kazakh states "in antiquity, something like that -" ... but the Kazakhs did not need borders, where we put a yurt - our land is there ... we are nomadic people, here today, tomorrow - there ... and so on ... "and this is how the teachers explain it to the children.
    I could still add ... BUT, I can smell the natspat from kazax-edi just drooling over here.
    Although if there would be a clear and distinct repatriation program in Russia, or whatever, it doesn’t matter, at least as Kazakhs dragged oral mans to themselves ... then I would be sorry, and I would not be left alone, but perhaps very, very a lot ... it's just that everyone is already tired of this titular national debibism squared.
    But! If there is no support from Russia or something else, then ... we won’t get used to anything, we’ll have to, we will stand our ground ...
  • Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 16 February 2014 11: 25
    -1
    Here the fun begins! This is an application for recognition of the status of an internally displaced person, where the traveler is obliged to indicate this in clause 12:

    12. Indicate the reasons why you and your family members left (intend to leave) their former place of permanent residence. Give the facts of the violence or harassment in other forms committed against you or your family members or a real danger of being persecuted on the grounds and circumstances specified in art. 1 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. You can attach any available documents confirming this to the application.

    Then the traveler is forced to come up with facts of oppression and prosecution from the ceiling!
    If these facts do not exist and the application is filled out in a form, the refusal automatically comes, and you already live in Russia with your property and are removed from all accounts in the Republic of Kazakhstan! What do you think? So it remains to come up with stories about the evil Kazakhs who steal children, cut and rape Russians on the street, fire them for being Russian! ALL THIS LIE I KNOW ALONG AND CROSS!
    There is one more point according to the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. There are restrictions on the ownership of property if you wish to receive this status, which means that if you no longer receive this status in the FMS!
    I read an article on VO why the majority of those who did not take advantage of this program, by the way there, women on the video talked about bureaucracy in the FMS regarding them and other tales that their Kazakhs supposedly steal children from Russians (dog nonsense, because there are mothers of cuckoos like so Kazakh enough). IT IS TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH: Most of those who did not take advantage of this program because they are not any refugees, ARE LEAVING SIMPLY FOR THEIR MOTHERLAND, WHERE THE PARTY CALLED FROM.
    1. terrible
      terrible 16 February 2014 19: 04
      +1
      ) Well, then they are running away from your wonderful Kazakhstan?
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    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 19: 40
      +5
      Quote: RK refugee
      Then the traveler is forced to come up with facts of oppression and prosecution from the ceiling!

      I moved under the resettlement program, but ...
      most Russians leaving RK were forced to leave due to pressure
      when you hear rudeness every day, when they can be told to you in the state structure that no one has called you here, when you read Kazakh Internet resources, you will not think about leaving Kazakhstan. My ancestors came to the land of Kazakhstan more than 150 years ago, they built the city in which I was born and one and a half centuries later, some say to me that this is not my land that I can only do what I am allowed to, do you think I am an internally displaced person or not ?
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 16 February 2014 07: 47
    -9
    Well done El is a Turkic name, which is correct, all Turkic countries should abandon an alien camp.
    I hope that at least the discontent of the Russians will not turn on, the camp or El should in theory be on the drum.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 16 February 2014 07: 57
      +17
      When not everything is in order in the Danish kingdom, then they raise some kind of nationally preoccupied little idea for the delight of marginalized people.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 16 February 2014 10: 39
        +4
        Quote: Humpty
        When not everything is in order in the Danish kingdom, then they raise some kind of nationally preoccupied little idea for the delight of marginalized people.


        It's a shame for the Kazakhs, that they go in many ways along the way with the Balts .....
    2. Қarabas
      Қarabas 16 February 2014 09: 20
      +12
      Quote: Yeraz
      Well done El is a Turkic name, which is correct, all Turkic countries should abandon an alien camp.
      I hope that at least the discontent of the Russians will not turn on, the camp or El should in theory be on the drum.

      You constantly get into the discussion of Kazakhstan with your own approval of everything that is somehow across the throat of Russia and the Russians and that will bring Kazakhstan closer to your coveted Turan ... How much money will the renamed come out of? Maybe we also heard about February 11th?

      PS: http://kazakeli.kz/
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 16 February 2014 09: 48
        -9
        Quote: karabas
        You constantly get into the discussion of Kazakhstan with your own approval of everything that is somehow across the throat of Russia and the Russians and that will bring Kazakhstan closer to your desired Turan ..

        I want to climb. If you don’t do anything Russian then, they are discussing Kazakhstan, although this people is closer to me. El wanted to make handsome men. It’s better to call those who are Cossacks savage rootless and uncultured boobies. Any topic concerning Muslims and TURKS automatically concerns us .

        Thanks to many users with stupid behavior. And a year ago it was deplorable to look at the Cossacks with blinded eyes walking here with peace and friendship. They quickly returned them to their senses and opened their eyes.
        1. FRIGATE2
          FRIGATE2 16 February 2014 10: 35
          -3
          Quote: Yeraz
          Thanks to many users with stupid behavior. And a year ago it was deplorable to look at the Cossacks with blinded eyes walking here with peace and friendship. They quickly returned them to their senses and opened their eyes.

          Yes, a year ago, we Kazakhs went such positive here and always approved of Russia, until the topics about Kazakhstan went. Do not listen to anyone, write as you like
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 16 February 2014 10: 55
            0
            Quote: FRIGATE2
            Do not listen to anyone, write as you like

            Of course. I'm personally insanely happy.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 16 February 2014 10: 53
          +5
          Quote: Yeraz
          I want to climb. Chezh you Russian then do not do what they discuss Kazakhstan, although this people is closer to me


          The people of Kazakhstan are not only Kazakhs.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 16 February 2014 11: 00
            -4
            Quote: RUSS
            The people of Kazakhstan are not only Kazakhs.


            Quote: Yeraz
            Any topic concerning Muslims and TURKS automatically concerns us.


            RUSS, 70 percent of the Turks and Muslims.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 16 February 2014 11: 09
              +5
              Quote: Clegg
              RUSS, 70 percent of the Turks and Muslims.


              I know what? The remaining 30% should not be forgotten.
        3. RUSS
          RUSS 16 February 2014 10: 59
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          I want to climb. Chezh you Russian then do not do what they discuss Kazakhstan, although this people is closer to me


          The people of Kazakhstan are not only Kazakhs!
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 16 February 2014 11: 08
            -1
            Quote: RUSS
            The people of Kazakhstan are not only Kazakhs!

            I know. And this is not what I advise others not to discuss, but they advise me.
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 16 February 2014 11: 50
          +11
          Quote: Yeraz
          Then you don’t do anything Russian to Russians that they are discussing in Kazakhstan, although this people is closer to me

          There are about a third of Russians in Kazakhstan, so we have the right to participate in our discussion. But Azerbaijanis are not connected with the Kazakhs at the stern of faith, even you are racially different. Once again, do not add oil to the fire.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 16 February 2014 11: 55
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But Azerbaijanis are not connected with the Kazakhs at the stern of faith,

            For information in Kazakhstan live 100 thousand diaspora Azeri. Therefore, this applies to him too.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 16 February 2014 12: 04
              +5
              And how much is it in percentage terms? And what contribution did they make to the development of Kazakhstan, besides equipping the markets of course?
              P.S. You still mention gypsies.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 16 February 2014 12: 12
                -3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And what contribution did they make to the development of Kazakhstan, besides equipping the markets of course?

                I thought you were normal without prejudice, but chauvinism is a contagious thing.

                Do you think in Kazakhstan should take into account the opinion of only Russian? They are also the same equal citizens as representatives of other diasporas.
                1. July
                  July 16 February 2014 12: 17
                  +3
                  In fact, in a civilized state, everyone should be equal, and not equal like other diasporas.
                  And it turns out that all the diasporas of strangers are equal among themselves, and the Kazakhs are sitting on top with a whip.
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 16 February 2014 12: 30
                    -1
                    Quote: July
                    And it turns out that all the diasporas of strangers are equal among themselves, and the Kazakhs are sitting on top with a whip.

                    Wrong expressed, I admit.
                    1. July
                      July 16 February 2014 12: 33
                      +6
                      You expressed yourself correctly, truthfully in Kazakh, but you didn’t expect such an answer. :)))
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 16 February 2014 12: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Do you think in Kazakhstan should take into account the opinion of only Russian?

                  Distort. Not about the diasporas. Russian in Azerbaijan is now about one percent, and really they have no vote there. Although they contributed to the development of Azerbaijan. I repeat, the north and center of Kazakhstan has been mastered by the Russian people, and they have the right to vote in organizational and legislative matters. About the difference from the diasporas. hi
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Russian in Azerbaijan is now about one percent, and really they have no vote there

                    And now Ingvar is the data for you.
                    Russian in Azerbaijan as a percentage of 1.5%
                    Azerbaijanis in Russia as well.
                    Only Azerbaijan has a Russian deputy and its own Orthodox church. So, you will have more votes.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I repeat, the north and center of Kazakhstan has been mastered by the Russian people, and they have the right to vote in organizational and legislative matters.

                    And what ??? But these lands are Cossack.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 18: 18
                      +3
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      Only Azerbaijan has a Russian deputy and its own Orthodox church. So, you will have more votes

                      so in Russia there are Armenians deputies, though they row more for themselves
                      1. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        so in Russia there are Armenians deputies, though they row more for themselves

                        I note the Azerbaijani and the Armenian are two different things, therefore, they did not understand how sideways they were drawn here.
                        There were discussions about Azeri and Russians, and it turned out that Russians in the higher hierarchy are better represented
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 18: 57
                        +1
                        Do you think there are no Azerbaijanis? !!
                      3. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 16 February 2014 20: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Do you think there are no Azerbaijanis? !!

                        call me that secretive Azerbaijani in the Duma. Maybe I missed a moment.
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 February 2014 20: 59
                        +1
                        Shakir Huseynov
                        Musa Manarov

                        I think if you search you can still find
                      5. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 16 February 2014 21: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Musa Manarov

                        I didn’t know about him. Thank you.
                        But the first is not in the State Duma, but in the regional Duma of some region, and there are many of them.
                      6. smersh70
                        smersh70 16 February 2014 23: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Musa Manarov

                        he is not Azerbaijani, although he was born in Baku, he is Avar.
                      7. and why
                        and why 17 February 2014 00: 08
                        +1
                        Musa Manarov is a Lak, but the same Dagestan and Russian have an indirect relation to Azerbaijan.
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                      9. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 17 February 2014 00: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: smersh70
                        he is not Azerbaijani, although he was born in Baku, he is Avar

                        Lakets
          2. QWERTY
            QWERTY 16 February 2014 22: 35
            +3
            It's amazing how everyone feathered, small nationalities))) Ah, the Russians offended everyone, forced them to speak Russian, tortured and scoffed. But who prevented you from creating your own Great Empires? Why not create something? Who's in the way? How does it sound - the great Estonian Empire !!! Or Azerbaijani !!! Thank you for saying that you defended, accepted, taught to work (or forced?), Built everything that you still use. Throughout the pre-imperial history, these your minorities licked other people's fifth points, were part of different states, and here you go, cheers independence !!! And as soon as you cook, you’ll immediately start barking, beat it, they offend, defend your Russian brother, forgive us. Immediately there were great scientists, poets, wise figures of the past, as many as 5-10 pieces per whole country. The whole history of Kazakhstan is a brochure , such as a general notebook .... oh, we didn’t know how to write, we didn’t write down all the greatest acts .... And go out into St. Petersburg, there are some non-Slavic faces. Well, you don’t like yourself ? You did succeed? So, no, you don’t know how to do anything on your own, there’s no work, no happiness. So what is the habit of Russians in shit constantly smearing?
          3. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 17 February 2014 08: 26
            +1
            Quote: Yeraz
            But these lands are Cossack.

            Cossacks? Just one letter, but how does the meaning change. wink
    3. alone
      alone 16 February 2014 12: 43
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      And how much is it in percentage terms? And what contribution did they make to the development of Kazakhstan, besides equipping the markets of course?


      Firstly, these people are citizens of Kazakhstan. They were sent there in the 30s. They have been living there for 70-80 years no less. Most of them are very respected people and hard workers.
      I forbid you to compare all Azerbaijanis with marketers. If your Prezik Yeltsin was an alcoholic, this does not give me the right to call all Russians Drunkards and alcoholics. Did you understand Ingvar?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 16 February 2014 15: 26
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        . Understood Ingvar?

        How menacing. belay
        Quote: lonely
        .Most highly respected people and laborers.
        I don’t row everyone into one comb, but unfortunately your compatriots are increasingly equipping markets. I judge on average in Russia. Nevertheless, I have a friend, a half-breed, a father who is pure Azerbaijanian, Uncle Alim, and I respect him immensely. So, his words, the majority of those who are going to Russia now to earn money are not the most decent people. And I completely agree with him. I do not argue that there are decent Azerbaijanis in Kazakhstan, but I think that on average the situation is the same as in Russia.
        Judging by the comments, I treat you and Apollo personally very well, but Eraz is not going too far in his garden. hi
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 16
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I do not argue that there are decent Azerbaijanis in Kazakhstan, but I think that on average the situation is the same as in Russia.

          You are deeply mistaken. Because these one hundred thousand are immigrants whom the Soviets drove there. And after the collapse of the Soviets, Azerbaijanis were one of the rare minorities who did not fall into their own country, but mostly remained in Kazakhstan. And to Russia, how different people went once.
    4. Yeraz
      Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 11
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      And what contribution did they make to the development of Kazakhstan, besides equipping the markets of course?

      Do you know what the Azerbaijanis are doing there? And I can also think what the Russians are doing there, because there is only one thing about stereotypes in Muslim countries about Russians.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 16 February 2014 13: 17
    +2
    Quote: Clegg
    For information in Kazakhstan live 100 thousand diaspora Azeri. Therefore, this applies to him too.

    It is hard to believe that it is "cut" because of the 100th diaspora, rather "with whom and how" - but just to prick Russia
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 16 February 2014 18: 10
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    There are about a third of Russians in Kazakhstan, so we have the right to participate in our discussion. But Azerbaijanis are not connected with the Kazakhs at the stern of faith, even you are racially different.

    You think that they are different. We believe that we are brothers. And will you think how much the Cossack and Azerbaijanis are interested in the opinion of a Russian, whether he considers them brothers or not? I’ll tell a damn about it. We know this enough.
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    . Once again, do not add oil to the fire.

    Write this to your racial compatriots who pour dirt on the Cossacks.
  • Kasym
    Kasym 17 February 2014 04: 04
    +8
    Ali, hello! Do not pay attention to Karabas. RK would love to start integration processes with Turkic states, primarily in Central Asia, but
    1) Uzbekistan is categorically against.
    2) Turkmenistan is like behind an iron curtain. In our media about her info 0.
    3) The Kyrgyz themselves cannot decide on the authorities - they forgot about their showdowns.
    In the neighbors we still have China and the Russian Federation. After all, look from the position of the Kazakhstani that we have. A huge territory (9 on the planet) with low numbers. Solvency is low in the population. We live off natural resources. How to rebuild your non-commodity economy? What exactly to develop? Hired NAS of Western experts, but those in a year as a verdict. Only 7 clusters in the economy due to the small domestic market. And almost everything is tied to raw materials.
    Here is an example from our economic life. The first line for assembling cars was created by Bipek Auto, in my opinion, based on VAZ models. The guy there upholstered all the rapids while "he did it." But then it turned out that it would be idle because of the market (now they seem to be doing business). And so everywhere. Whatever the system, it will certainly be simple.
    From here, the government concludes that a larger market is needed to develop the economy.
    As I wrote above, China and Russia remain. China immediately exclude. It remains the Russian Federation, with which we have huge plexuses in economic terms. Our coal is consumed by the Urals, the Pavlodar and Chimken refineries worked on growing. oil. Railways and roads, pipelines, the nuclear industry and a bunch of military. polygons. Therefore, sensible Kazakhstanis do not see an alternative to RUSSIA. At the moment, we need a quality slave. places.
    Also, I do not see our art, science, etc. apart from growing up. space. Well, take for example the Russian Drama Theater. Lermontov in Alma-Ata (or German, Korean or Kazakh national theaters in the Republic of Kazakhstan) in isolation from their viewer in Russia. Or our scientists in isolation from the scientific community and publications in Russia. It is simply degradation and sentence.
    From my point of view, if it is necessary to remove for our citizens all the barriers and barriers in business and communication between relatives, servants, etc., then we must not further delay and remove all this. And to create a new Union with fair conditions, then we will all be there. We, unlike the EU, have a common worldview and language, and this is only offhand.
    And I don’t understand when people talk about the sovereignty and independence of Kazakhstan. Does anyone threaten us? INDEPENDENCE AND SOVERITY IS ONLY STRENGTHENED FROM THE UNION in terms of SECURITY. AND ALSO THE UNION GIVES A CHANCE TO BUILD YOUR INDUSTRY. And whoever wants independence and sovereignty will have to develop those very 7 clusters and become the final raw materials appendage. Personally, I don’t like such a future. hi
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 17 February 2014 11: 25
      0
      INDEPENDENCE AND SOVERITY IS ONLY STRENGTHENED FROM THE UNION in terms of SECURITY. ALSO THE UNION GIVES A CHANCE TO BUILD YOUR INDUSTRY
      Kasym, thank you very much for your comment that really assesses the situation. In fact, he is the only true on this topic. hi
  • FRIGATE2
    FRIGATE2 16 February 2014 10: 58
    +3
    Quote: karabas
    You constantly get into the discussion of Kazakhstan with your own approval of everything that is somehow across the throat of Russia and the Russians and that will bring Kazakhstan closer to your coveted Turan ... How much money will the renamed come out of? Maybe we also heard about February 11th?

    baurym, he is a proven participant, you are not there yet, so be patient and get to know him better. He still can not affect the policy of the Republic of Kazakhstan and therefore your presentations are unfounded
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  • Altona
    Altona 16 February 2014 20: 12
    0
    Quote: Yeraz
    Well done El is a Turkic name, which is correct, all Turkic countries should abandon an alien camp.
    I hope that at least the discontent of the Russians will not turn on, the camp or El should in theory be on the drum.

    ------------------------------
    All these prefixes will not bring any significance to the country ... It's like Bzdyschenko was, but Almazov became ... On the contrary, only the small-town status of the state and its exoticism will strengthen, such as Cote D'Ivoire or Burkina Faso ... And who will the citizen be? country? Kazakiel? It sounds almost like a Taldykurgan or a Karaganda citizen ... As for the names, too, the Volga was and is Itil (Atal) and nothing, for example, I know all the names of the Volga in my area, but in the Seliger area it is not necessary to know these names ... There are many names Russified from local names - Cheboksary (Shubashkar), Chelyabinsk (Syulebey), and nothing, no one bothers ...
  • ilya_82
    ilya_82 16 February 2014 08: 02
    +2
    without Russians, these camps are a nomadic retreat
    1. Қarabas
      Қarabas 16 February 2014 09: 26
      +6
      Quote: ilya_82
      without Russians, these camps are a nomadic retreat

      Do not say that
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  • Name
    Name 16 February 2014 08: 18
    +5
    Quote: Humpty
    In connection with the awareness of the greatness of the "liberated people"

    Don’t bring where to see ... And if you rake ...
    1. askort154
      askort154 16 February 2014 10: 49
      +2
      PHOTO: Listen to zebras, how do you like a giraffe? Well, actually a class! One thing is bad, kissing is not convenient - climb high without safety.
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 16 February 2014 11: 28
        +3
        Here the fun begins! This is an application for recognition of the status of an internally displaced person, where the traveler is obliged to indicate this in clause 12:

        12. Indicate the reasons why you and your family members left (intend to leave) their former place of permanent residence. Give the facts of the violence or harassment in other forms committed against you or your family members or a real danger of being persecuted on the grounds and circumstances specified in art. 1 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. You can attach any available documents confirming this to the application.

        Then the traveler is forced to come up with facts of oppression and prosecution from the ceiling!
        If these facts do not exist and the application is filled out in a form, the refusal automatically comes, and you already live in Russia with your property and are removed from all accounts in the Republic of Kazakhstan! What do you think? So it remains to come up with stories about the evil Kazakhs who steal children, cut and rape Russians on the street, fire them for being Russian! ALL THIS LIE I KNOW ALONG AND CROSS!
        There is one more point according to the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. There are restrictions on the ownership of property if you wish to receive this status, which means that if you no longer receive this status in the FMS!
        I read an article on VO why the majority of those who did not take advantage of this program, by the way, there the women on the video talked about bureaucracy in the FMS regarding them and other tales that their Kazakhs supposedly steal children from Russians (bullshit, because there are mothers of cuckoos like so Kazakh enough). TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH: Most of those who did not use this program due to the fact that they are not any refugees, ARE LEAVING SIMPLY FOR THEIR MOTHERLAND, WHERE THEIR PARTY IS FROM
        1. Beck
          Beck 16 February 2014 12: 10
          +2
          Quote: RK refugee
          12. Indicate the reasons why you and your family members left (intend to leave) their former place of permanent residence. Give the facts of the violence or harassment in other forms committed against you or your family members or a real danger of being persecuted on the grounds and circumstances specified in art. 1 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. You can attach any available documents confirming this to the application.


          Quote: RK refugee
          Then the traveler is forced to come up with facts of harassment and persecution from the ceiling! If these facts do not exist and the application is filled out in a form, the refusal automatically comes,


          HERE, HERE, HERE. This is where all the horror stories about oppression in Kazakhstan go. In fairness, such clauses are available not only in the legislation of Russia, but also in the laws of the countries of Europe and North America.

          There, such an item was adopted in order to weed out all cosmopolitans seeking a warm place from true refugees. People fleeing dictatorial regimes.

          In Russia, this item was accepted automatically and received what they received. Everyday horror stories.

          In the midst of the open borders of the nineties, when people massively left Kazakhstan for their historical homelands, the Germans, Chechens, Greeks simply left, without any fables. The same people of different nationalities who sought to prosperous countries - the USA, Canada, Europe, for permanent residence in warm places, here they also ran for all sorts of certificates that oppressed them in Kazakhstan.
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            Refugee from Kazakhstan 16 February 2014 16: 23
            +2
            There is still an important fact: it began to leave a lot when the National Academy of Sciences raised the retirement age limit, so they went to retire in the Russian Federation, then those who didn’t go under the refugee program returned and live and work by residence permit (who knows the yellow car numbers) and receives a Russian pension (some wiseacres managed to get out here and here), and who is closed under the refugee program.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 16 February 2014 18: 10
              +2
              You already understand among themselves what to write, why half of the Russians left.
              I read on the website that they had left: "1) rogues and swindlers 2) random people, 3) outright nationalists, 4) alarmists who have never seen the notorious" Kazakh nationalism ", 5) simply for economic reasons.
              How many among Russians are there, only from Kazakhstan, several million? Let me ask how much you have with yellow tickets (something reminiscent of the stars of David in the German ghettos wink )? Those that are back.
    2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 16 February 2014 18: 05
      +1
      This is the top of your mind!
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 16 February 2014 18: 28
        +1
        Is that the whole answer? belay
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  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 16 February 2014 08: 19
    +22
    Oh, la. Is it really all "on the drum"? I well remember the beautiful city of Alma-Ata in the eighties, and I visited there two years ago. Two different cities. No, I don’t argue the city has become more beautiful and richer, at least its glossy side. Only now the relationship between people has changed a lot. If in the 80s everyone was “on the drum” if you were Kazakh or Russian, now noooo. From the Kazakhs it carries such greatness that ... it becomes funny. It will take it and burst. And all are nonsense, they say we were under the yoke of the colony. Goonies, thanks to this "colony" you became who you are. You name at least a couple of significant objects of the last century (and 19 too) created without the participation of "colonists". So you can pour mud, because Russians are generous. If you happened to be an amerovskoy colony, they would quickly drive everyone on the reservation.
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    2. Neophyte
      Neophyte 16 February 2014 09: 16
      +5
      Yeah, it's sad to hear and see how a new
      the history of backward tribes allegedly enslaved by Russia?
      Already, Nazarbayev sang the national idea, however, he
      previously did not hide this, limiting the Russian language.
      The final of this bacchanalia is clear: the migration of Russian speakers
      into the metropolis and a gradual creep back to the camp.
    3. FRIGATE2
      FRIGATE2 16 February 2014 09: 20
      -3
      Quote: ochakow703
      Oh, la. Is it really all "on the drum"? I well remember the beautiful city of Alma-Ata in the eighties, and I visited there two years ago. Two different cities. No, I don’t argue the city has become more beautiful and richer, at least its glossy side. Only now the relationship between people has changed a lot. If in the 80s everyone was “on the drum” if you were Kazakh or Russian, now noooo. From the Kazakhs it carries such greatness that ... it becomes funny. It will take it and burst. And all are nonsense, they say we were under the yoke of the colony. Goonies, thanks to this "colony" you became who you are. You name at least a couple of significant objects of the last century (and 19 too) created without the participation of "colonists". So you can pour mud, because Russians are generous. If you happened to be an amerovskoy colony, they would quickly drive everyone on the reservation.

      That is not necessary Elena Gromovskie techniques "I lived there and was, it is not good without us, but bad, I saw everything" to apply aa.
      So where where, so in Almaty there is no conflict between Russians and Kazakhs.
    4. Қarabas
      Қarabas 16 February 2014 09: 32
      +1
      Quote: ochakow703
      From the Kazakhs is so great that ...

      Similarly! Not so long ago, near Silk Way, I saw two clearly Russian from Russia =)) I immediately identified them from the crowd, it was definitely not ours) Because it was exactly the same with everyone looking at them)
    5. varov14
      varov14 16 February 2014 12: 15
      +2
      The Americans are well done, pragmatists, wow harm. So we entered Afghanistan, let’s build bridges, roads, factories there, and the Americans stimulate the cultivation of poppy fields, and supply weapons to both belligerents, and that’s all development. That's why everyone respects them - they don’t beat, they don’t like it, they need to beat.
  • kafa
    kafa 16 February 2014 08: 21
    +13
    In 1991, Kazakhstan headed for the construction of a national state. The Soviet period of its history began to be regarded as colonial.
    it’s right to demolish everything, live in yurts to graze cattle and complain about invaders. it is so nationally patriotic wassat
    1. FRIGATE2
      FRIGATE2 16 February 2014 09: 17
      -3
      Quote: kafa
      In 1991, Kazakhstan headed for the construction of a national state. The Soviet period of its history began to be regarded as colonial. It’s right to demolish everything, live in yurts to graze cattle and complain about invaders. it is so nationally patriotic

      Wow national state with official Russian language
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 16 February 2014 11: 37
        +3
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        Wow national state with official Russian language

        You are distorting. The state language is one - Kazakh. Your attempts to justify the lie are miserable and inept.
  • bairat
    bairat 16 February 2014 08: 31
    +5
    We ourselves have a republic of Mari el in the Russian Federation. So indignation is not appropriate.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 17 February 2014 09: 44
      0
      Quote: bairat
      We ourselves have a republic of Mari El in the Russian Federation

      Well, the fate of Mari El we do not need))))))))
  • PPL
    PPL 16 February 2014 08: 33
    0
    Why are you so excited about the renaming? Is that a precedent or others can, but not the Kazakhs? To whom it will get worse, well, except for mail, probably ... lol
    Let them frolic if other problems have already been resolved ...
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 16 February 2014 10: 14
      0
      Quote: PPZ
      To whom it will get worse, well, except for mail, probably ...

      Quote: karabas
      How much money will result in renamed understand?
  • demotivator
    demotivator 16 February 2014 08: 37
    +13
    Quote: Humpty
    all Turkic countries should abandon an alien camp.

    Are the Kazakhs already Turks? The nomadic people, who had never before had their own statehood and written language, suddenly became concerned with self-designation - they are not satisfied with the prefix "stan" (place, camp, camp). How does it not suit them? Vaughn, Pakistan is also a "camp", not to mention Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, countries with ancient statehood and culture. But, if you wanted to change the name of the country, then nothing can be done about it, they will change how to drink. There are many such examples in history. I even know one, very interesting. In central Africa there was such a state, the colony of France - Upper Volta. Many probably remember that one European rat once called Russia "Upper Volta with rockets". So, in 1984. there a coup d'etat took place, under the leadership of Captain (!) Thomas Sankara. Sankara became the head of state, renamed the country Burkina Faso and proclaimed a course towards social revolution, which he implemented in very non-standard ways. In society, he was very popular, not least because of the emphasized proximity to the people - for example, he did not use air conditioning in his office, "since the people are not available," he refused to authorize the hanging of his portraits in public places and offices. that "we have seven million people like me in our country." For his leftist views, Sankara was nicknamed "African Che Guevara". So, in translation, the name of the country literally means: HOMELAND OF HONEST PEOPLE. Beautiful name!
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 16 February 2014 08: 41
      +3
      Quote: demotivator
      But are the Kazakhs already Türks?

      No Africans they are chocolate.
      Hare to breed srach, they did not have a state, writing, or other nonsense. Once again they discussed it.
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 16 February 2014 09: 01
      +2
      [quote = demotivator]
      Are the Kazakhs already Turks? not satisfied with the prefix "stan" (place, camp, camp). How does it not suit them? Vaughn, Pakistan is also a "camp", not to mention Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, countries with ancient statehood and culture.

      Already wrote that of all the "stans" the most popular among tourists are Uzbekistan and, until recently, Pakistan. Historical and cultural heritage in Wed. Asia and Turkestan are inseparable from the culture of the Persians. Burial mounds remained from the ancient Türks. Hence the Persian prefix - "stan", which is quite understandable in Russian.
    3. rolik
      rolik 16 February 2014 14: 40
      +1
      Quote: demotivator
      But are the Kazakhs already Türks?

      Kazakhs belong to the Turanian race, which is part of the large Mongoloid race .... this is according to the theory of Celtism, the author of which is Isaac Taylor. Turanids or Turanian race The modern classification is divided into 7 categories, one of which is the Turanian race. A relatively small group, which includes Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Uigurs, Tatars, Nogais and Bashkirs (and even then not all Uzbeks and not all Uighurs).
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 16 February 2014 14: 46
        +4
        Quote: rolik
        Kazakhs belong to the Turanian race, which is part of the large Mongoloid race.

        I will clarify that the Turanian race is a transition between the Caucasoid and Mongoloid races.

        Quote: Humpty
        How does it not suit them? Vaughn, Pakistan is also a "camp", not to mention Uzbekistan and Tajikistan,

        Tajikistan is also Iranians, the Uzbeks have a very strong cultural connection with the Iranian world.
  • ReifA
    ReifA 16 February 2014 08: 38
    +18
    The "greatness" of almost all the republics of the former USSR, for some reason, always begins with the realization of "liberation from the Russian invaders." The truth ends with Maidans, the destruction of the country, 30-40% loss of population, but who cares about such trifles, right?
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 16 February 2014 08: 44
      +3
      Flee to the Russian "occupation" smile
  • kind
    kind 16 February 2014 08: 46
    +1
    The main reason, apparently, is the desire to distance itself from other “stans” - the republics of Central Asia, which gained independence in 1991, as well as Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    ... as well as pindo stana laughing
  • Smoke
    Smoke 16 February 2014 08: 51