Kazakhstan will be "Cossack eli"?

434
Kazakhstan will be "Cossack eli"?So, on February 6, during a visit to the Atyrau City Intellectual School, President Nursultan Nazarbayev proposed to abandon the name “Kazakhstan” in favor of “Kazak Eli” (“Kazakh people”). “In the name of our country there is an ending“ camp ”, like other Central Asian states, the president said,“ At the same time, foreigners show interest in Mongolia, which has a population of only two million people, while there is no ending in its name ” mill". It may be necessary to consider, over time, the issue of transition to the name of our country "Cossack eli", but first of all it is necessary to discuss this with the people.

Offer N.A. Nazarbayeva caused a storm of emotions in the Russian-speaking segment of the Internet, triggering the appearance of a whole wave of responses and expert comments.

During the time that has passed since the collapse of the USSR, an entire tradition has developed in Kazakhstan of changing the names of various geographical objects (toponymy). The reasons for this lie in the peculiarities of its historical development.

Most of the names, especially in the Russian-inhabited northern and northeastern regions of Kazakhstan, have traditionally been Slavic. Most of the cities inherited by Kazakhstan from the USSR were also founded by Russians and received Russian names.

Thus, Uralsk was founded by the Russians in 1584, Guriev, which became independent after Atyrau, in 1640, Semipalatinsk, in 1718, Pavlodar, in 1720, Petropavlovsk, in New York, was founded the Cossack outpost of Akmola in 1752. In the northern regions of the republic, the Slavic population has been living for 1830-300 for years, and, in fact, is indigenous there. Not surprisingly, local toponymy was also predominantly Slavic.

In 1991, Kazakhstan headed for the construction of a national state. Soviet period of his stories became regarded as colonial. Slavic toponymy, reminiscent of being in the composition of another, more powerful state, was in these conditions very inappropriate. Therefore, the change of Russian names to Kazakh began in the first years after independence. In December 1993, the Supreme Council adopted the law On the Administrative-Territorial Division of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which provided for “streamlining work on naming and renaming administrative-territorial units and clarifying the transcription of their names” creation under the government of the Onomastic Commission. The right to change the names of regions, districts and cities in accordance with the law belonged to the President of Kazakhstan, who was to make these decisions based on the conclusions of the Onomastic Commission and the opinion of residents of certain territories.

Kazakhstan is embraced by a real wave of renames. In 1991-2005 three areas were renamed, 12 cities, 53 areas of areas, 7 areas of the city, 43 railway stations and junctions, as well as 957 of small settlements. The names of some cities have changed several times. So, the regional center Tselinograd was first named Akmola, and later, after moving the capital city 1997 here in December, to Astana. In addition, the transcription of the names of 3 areas, 12 cities, 14 areas, 76 railway stations and 22 small settlements has been changed.

According to the head of the onomastics and terminology department of the Committee on Languages ​​of the Ministry of Information, Culture and Sports of the Republic of Kazakhstan Yerlan Kuzekbay, by 2005, the renaming of geographical objects was completed to 55-60%, with major flaws related to the northern and north-eastern regions. According to him, “for 14 years, much work has been done in this direction in the southern regions of Kazakhstan, but only by 30% has it been done in the northern regions and in the East Kazakhstan region”. Renamed streets, organizations and institutions. According to the same E. Kuzekbai, in the period of independence, the order of 890 institutions of health care, education, culture, sports and physical-geographical objects was renamed. In May, 2000, one of the leaders of the Onomastic Commission of the Chimkent Region, K. Duseymbi, at a briefing, said that he had renamed 200 streets for his life, but 800 streets still remained in Russian.

In Alma-Ata to 1980, the Kazakhs made up the entire 1 / 10 population, and more than 80% of the street and city names were Russian. But by 2008, the picture had changed to the exact opposite - 80% of all titles became Kazakh.

One of the last major renaming took place in 2007 on June 16 at a meeting held in Semipalatinsk, President N. Nazarbayev proposed to rename the city Semey, citing negative associations with the move with the 1949-1989 operating here. Semipalatinsk nuclear test site, which scare away foreign investors and potential tourists. According to him, the new name should also enhance the role of the Kazakh language and statehood. The proposal was favorably received by the onomastic commission, as well as by the majority of the population of the city, among whose residents the share of Kazakhs increased to 60% over the years of independence. The city council voted unanimously to rename, and 21 of June 2007 issued a presidential decree, according to which Semipalatinsk received a new name Semey.

Constant reproaches of the Kazakh intelligentsia against the authorities, who do not want to change the remaining Russian toponyms to Kazakh, suggest that the renaming policy will continue. According to the deputy of the parliament, the chairman of the party of the national association “Kazak eli” E. Abylkasymova, the modern youth “do not need a constant reminder of the sufferings of the Kazakh people in the past, that we have been under the heel of another, more powerful people for almost three centuries”. Therefore, it is necessary to rename the “inherited from the past” cities of Petropavlovsk, Pavlodar, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Kyzylorda, as well as such “meaningless names as Novorybinka, Elizavetinka, Sosnovka, Peterfeld, etc.”.

The Kazakh press repeatedly discussed the issue of renaming Pavlodar and Petropavlovsk. The newspaper “Zhas Kazak” in the article “To whom are the roads - Pavlov's“ gifts ”?”, Justifying the need for renaming, referred to the statement of President N.A. Nazarbayev, who told 10 years ago at a meeting with representatives of the Kazakh intelligentsia, that “onomastic issues will always be in the center of attention of the country's leadership. And there is nothing to look around timidly around. The names inherited from the colonial times, affecting directly the honor and dignity of our people, inappropriate to the old historical names of the area, sounding discordant ear, must be changed. ”

For the time being, the fear of increasing the emigration of the Slavic population, which still accounts for about a quarter of the population of the republic, but keeps at the same time the backbone of skilled workers and engineering and technical personnel, is keeping the mass change of Russian names to Kazakh Kazakhstan. A complete rejection of Russian-language names, justified by the need to combat the colonial heritage, will further enhance the alienation of Russians from the Kazakh state and the title ethnic group. To enhance migration attitudes among the Slavic population, the change of toponymy will create a more “favorable" psychological background.

Why did it take to voice the idea of ​​renaming Kazakhstan into “Kazak el?”

The main reason, apparently, is the desire to distance itself from other “stans” - the republics of Central Asia, which gained independence in 1991, as well as Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Most of them combine political and economic instability, creating a negative image of the entire region in the eyes of the global expert and political community. Kazakhstan, which has achieved some success on the path of social and economic development, with the help of a name change wants to emphasize that it does not belong to this “belt of instability”. In addition, the change of name will be a kind of summing up the results of the reign of N.A. Nazarbayev, emphasizing his achievements on the way to building the Kazakh national state.
434 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. zemlyak
    -31
    16 February 2014 07: 10
    Pavlodar - Kerek ...
    1. +49
      16 February 2014 10: 33
      Quote: Author Alexander Shustov
      According to the deputy of the parliament, the chairman of the party of the national association "Cossack Eli" E. Abylkasymov, modern youth "does not need a constant reminder of the suffering of the Kazakh people in the past, that we have been under the heel of another, more powerful people for almost three centuries."


      After these words, I personally regret that the white king accepted the khans of the younger and middle zhuzes into his citizenship after their numerous requests. Maybe it would be better if everything went as it went, and the Jungars would slaughter Kazakhs. Probably the Jungars would be a more grateful people.

      Russia has not raped anything from these nomads, it has only spent its resources on the construction of cities, schools, hospitals, factories, oil fields - TOTAL. Now they are trading us our same cosmodrome.

      Three hundred times you need to think before you help. And then in the same Asia there are still many in need with claims that Russia helped them a little. Russians were overpowered and in need.

      Always think whether you will be damned for your work, for your knowledge and your penny, for your generosity and kindness.
      1. Clegg
        -43
        16 February 2014 10: 38
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        Maybe it would be better if everything went as it went, and the Jungars would slaughter Kazakhs

        Tales
      2. +16
        16 February 2014 11: 19
        Probably the Jungars would be a more grateful people.

        Kalmyks are jungars. During the Second World War, they actively collaborated with the Germans. When the Germans retreated, they went with them without a trace, then thought better of it and returned women, children, old men from halfway. They very much thanked Russia for allowing them to settle in it, after the Chinese drove them out, cutting out a million people, and in other states of Central Asia they drove them away, even not letting them in on the threshold.
        1. +17
          16 February 2014 12: 04
          Quote: July
          They very much thanked Russia for allowing them to settle in it, after the Chinese drove them out, cutting out a million people, and in other states of Central Asia they drove them away, even not letting them in on the threshold.

          Another "indigenous" people who settled in Russia quite recently, but took root already up to the tonsils.
        2. Alexandr0id
          -6
          16 February 2014 16: 11
          about "permission to settle in Russia" - just like from a history textbook for the 6th grade, they directly pleaded with the white king, ha-ha. The Kalmyks did not ask anyone in particular, they actually soaked the Siberian Khanate, and not the Yermak (as is commonly believed), it was they who jacked up the Bashkirs so much that they went to the Moscow kingdom, and they also got rid of the Nogai and occupied their lands. and communication with the Russian tsar was of a notification nature, they say, so and so, we galloped over and will now live here, kiss.
          1. +9
            16 February 2014 16: 15
            Quote: Alexandr0id
            they say, so and so, we galloped and will now live here, kiss.

            Did the Circassians communicate with the Tsar too? So they say and so, we leave for Turkey, kiss.
          2. +4
            16 February 2014 16: 23
            [quote = Alexandr0id] communication with the Russian tsar was of a notification nature, they say, so and so, we galloped and will now live here, kiss.

            The tsar was delighted with a handful of steppes and they lived happily ever after, though more than half went back in 1771, and the rest were ordered in the 40s of the banal century .....
          3. Firebox
            -1
            20 February 2014 22: 36
            Yes, by the way, I recently took history textbooks to read from them in Russia, they write such nonsense, they push "voluntary colonization" everywhere and the fact that these peoples were soooo happy with this colonization, and they just expose us as wild animals as if they lived in caves and they brought us fire and other benefits)
      3. +27
        16 February 2014 12: 05
        Your historical examples are somewhat bloodthirsty and ... have taken place, but your conclusions are a little divorced from the historical process itself. How much and with what did the USSR pay for the creation of a strong, friendly and (offensive to the people) buffer state from Western Europe - Poland? How does the fraternal country “thank” for the Crimea, donated as a sign of eternal friendship? In addition to the cosmodrome, we also took upon ourselves and honestly carried part of our "nuclear club". This did not add to our health and understanding. But we do not shkhnim as the same Balts, but signed an agreement of eternal friendship and believe us you can go to the exploration with us, we are very "spirited" and loyal. I observe the process of displacement of the Russian meaning (not only the language) - from the inside, because I live in the South of Kazakhstan. As a person of Russian culture, I follow trends very carefully and biasedly; for me personally, they are sad. But your ancestors, who only considered action to be the yardstick of everything, created a huge cultural reserve, this in the medium term will not allow the influence of the Russian people to be nullified. It is not necessary to remember only your generosity "in vain" because it is an integral and organic part of the Russian soul. For this we love YOU in this crazy crazy world
        PS My fellow countryman Viktor An increased the glory of Russia - he took gold at the OLYMPIAD !!! Our answer to Curzon!
        1. +4
          16 February 2014 12: 13
          “In addition to the cosmodrome, we also took upon ourselves and honestly carried part of our“ nuclear baton. ”This did not add to our health and understanding. But we will not shrink like the same Balts, but signed an agreement of eternal friendship and Believe with us you can go to the reconnaissance, we are very "spirited" and loyal."
          ----------------------------------------------
          In the USSR, I could still say so, but not about everyone, but I can’t say that about people poisoned by nationalism in your country. And I won’t go into intelligence with you.
          It is easy for Nazism to destroy trust, but now try to restore it.
          1. +4
            16 February 2014 12: 30
            We have enough volunteers in the intelligence of big things. The good news for you is that in our intelligence only in Russian, well, helicopter pilots will not understand, they are Russian.
            1. +1
              17 February 2014 09: 35
              Nikolay Sainovich Maidanov (in some publications also referred to as Kairbolat [1] [2] and Kairgeldy [3] [4] Sainovich Maydanov) (Kazakh. Nikolay Saynigly Maidanov) (February 7, 1956, Taskuduk, Dzhambeytinsky District, Ural Region, Kazakh SSR, USSR - January 29, 2000, Argun Gorge, Chechnya, Russian Federation) - Hero of the Soviet Union, Hero of the Russian Federation, commander of the 325th separate combat transport helicopter regiment, colonel.
          2. Firebox
            0
            20 February 2014 22: 40
            it is we who must return confidence and is our nationalism? uhs ... look in the wrong eye for the sorinets but don’t notice the logs in your own eyes (well, I don’t remember exactly what is in your proverb, but the meaning is clear)
        2. +4
          16 February 2014 17: 42
          Quote: blizart
          I observe the process of displacement of the Russian meaning (not only the language) - from the inside, because I live in the South of Kazakhstan. As a person of Russian culture, I follow trends very carefully and biasedly; for me personally, they are sad. But your ancestors, who only considered action to be the yardstick of everything, created a huge cultural reserve, this in the medium term will not allow the influence of the Russian people to be nullified. It is not necessary to remember only your generosity "in vain" because it is an integral and organic part of the Russian soul. For this we love YOU in this crazy crazy world
          PS My fellow countryman Viktor An increased the glory of Russia - he took gold at the OLYMPIAD !!! Our answer to Curzon!

          Well, so we will choose you as the next Kazakhstani president
      4. Vovka levka
        +12
        16 February 2014 14: 46
        Quote: Nikolay S.

        Three hundred times you need to think before you help. And then in the same Asia there are still many in need with claims that Russia helped them a little. Russians were overpowered and in need.

        The majority of Kazakhs are lazy, do not want to work and will not. Let them forgive me, but it is a fact.
        1. ekzorsist
          0
          16 February 2014 22: 09
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          The majority of Kazakhs are lazy, do not want to work and will not. Let them forgive me, but it is a fact.

          This is not just a fact - but an everyday, everyday reality!
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            -3
            17 February 2014 15: 04
            Well, run from there! Who is holding you? We’ll answer - because you are not needed in Russia either, because you are lazy and passive. I even know that you will write in the 12th paragraph of the application for refugee status in the FMS (you will probably write that the wild Kazakhs raped you)!
        2. fall
          0
          18 February 2014 17: 11
          Ukrainians are especially working, in Iraq on BTR -4 turned upside down ............ drunk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In 1991, VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Ukraine was 51 million, and now 44 million 950 thousand !!!!!!!!! Potency at work has run out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or on the Maidan !!!!!!!!! do not shoot there zapadentsy and oriental or whatever you are !!!!!!!!!!!!!
      5. antibanukurayza
        +2
        17 February 2014 14: 56
        Russian McFall showed up with his "Russian exclusivity."
      6. Firebox
        -2
        20 February 2014 22: 28
        yes yes) because you know more Russian from Russia than we Kazakhs and Russians in Kazakhstan
        firstly no one supports renaming a country
        and secondly, what is your pig job, what are we doing in our country?
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. -11
      16 February 2014 10: 52
      There are no jokes with Kazakhstan! laughing
      Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?
      1. Clegg
        +37
        16 February 2014 10: 56
        Quote: siberalt
        Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?

        Well, actually these are Koreans
        1. +15
          16 February 2014 11: 05
          Quote: Clegg
          Well, actually these are Koreans

          whom you explain, a hundred times laid out a million times they said that the Koreans, and things are still there.)))
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. -10
          16 February 2014 11: 12
          But the inscription is consistent.
          1. +14
            16 February 2014 11: 18
            Quote: siberalt
            But the inscription is consistent.


            Do not insult the memory of Kazakh veterans.
          2. alatau_09
            +14
            16 February 2014 12: 57
            This trolley photo of yours belongs to the Kazakhs as well as your icon to your nickname, and even more so says a lot about your knowledge and education ...
            and in general, who cares about what we want to call our state? we do not climb to you with our charter?
            1. +4
              16 February 2014 13: 05
              Quote: alatau_09
              This trolley photo of yours belongs to the Kazakhs as well as your icon to your nickname, and even more so says a lot about your knowledge and education ...
              and in general, who cares about what we want to call our state? we do not climb to you with our charter?


              Come on, comrade joked and that's it, pay less attention to it.
          3. 0
            22 February 2014 18: 07
            But the inscription is consistent.

            And how many inscriptions on the fences.
        4. +1
          16 February 2014 13: 19
          Quote: Clegg
          Quote: siberalt
          Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?
          Well, actually these are Koreans

          "Find ten differences" laughing
      2. Aydar
        +2
        16 February 2014 11: 06
        is it dpr or chinese
      3. +8
        16 February 2014 11: 08
        Quote: siberalt
        Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?

        This is not a medal, this is armor from enemy arrows.
      4. +2
        16 February 2014 12: 20
        Quote: siberalt
        There are no jokes with Kazakhstan!


        You don’t understand anything. This is body armor with an upgrade of level 80 SVL.
      5. +4
        16 February 2014 13: 33
        Quote: siberalt
        There are no jokes with Kazakhstan! Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?

        it's actually Koreans, northern
        1. +7
          16 February 2014 20: 52
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: siberalt
          There are no jokes with Kazakhstan! Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?

          it's actually Koreans, northern

          And these are they, along with their chief
          1. +17
            16 February 2014 22: 21
            All these "gestures" of the National Academy of Sciences with the renaming of the country were done in order to distract people from the most important "news" - devaluation. Only in the fall did the authorities say that they were not planning anything like this. Whoever walks under the pressure of a loan cannot be envied. For merchants at least 3 months sales are not to be seen. The government has already announced that from April they will raise salaries for public sector employees by 10%, and within 2 years they will grow from 36% to 50%.
            Although all this could be foreseen. It began in the summer with rumors and buying up currency by the population. Then NAS and Pres. nat. Marchenko Bank made statements on the stability of the tenge. Then, in the fall, Marchenko is removed and appointed Kelimbetov (he was in charge of the economic sector). And the last hesitation grew. ruble led to the devaluation of 20%. And what now, if the ruble sags further, then we will have to devalue the tenge (although the authorities say that they took the course with a margin - arrivals)?
            Here I sit and think. And with a common currency, are such actions of the authorities possible or not? I think not - it means it is needed. Although at first there will probably be only b / n. Then, probably, parallel circulation of cash nat. and common currency. By and large, people need stability in this regard (and so, people just got into the pocket of power; oligarchs are made even richer and people are poorer).
            Personally, I am against renaming. They have few problems. Yes, and we are all used to calling ourselves Kazakhstanis. hi
            1. +4
              17 February 2014 08: 08
              Quote: Kasym
              Then NAS and Pres. nat. Bank Marchenko made statements about stability ...

              As soon as the authorities declare stability, wait for trouble. Such a sign.
              1. 0
                22 February 2014 18: 10
                Then NAS and Pres. nat. Bank Marchenko made statements about stability ...

                As soon as the authorities declare stability, wait for trouble. Such a sign.

                He already put one such hand on the rails. Well, on us too ...
            2. 0
              17 February 2014 15: 08
              Quote: Kasym
              And the last hesitation grew. ruble led to the devaluation of 20%. And what now, if the ruble sags further, then we will have to devalue the tenge (although the authorities say that they took the course with a margin - arrivals)?

              I read it here.
              Experts say that all the prerequisites and motives for such a step have been obvious for several months. This is a total weakening of the currencies of the BRICS countries, primarily Russia. And the loss in the struggle for the stability of the exchange rate of billions of dollars from gold and foreign exchange resources. Finally, the growth of imports of consumer goods from neighboring countries, mainly due to the "currency protectionism" of partners in the Customs Union.

              Recently, Kazakhstan has become, if not a "bottomless barrel", then a "gold mine" for Russian and Belarusian business. Food and consumer goods were delivered here in large quantities duty-free. And back, in fact, "cheap" dollars were imported.


              those. as I understand it, one of the main reasons for the devaluation of the tenge is the TS and the behavior of the countries included in the TS (i.e., the Russian Federation and Belarus)
              Is this true (in your opinion)?
              1. 0
                17 February 2014 15: 53
                On the box, one economist explained this. 1. The global premise of the abolition of quantitative easing in the United States and dollars began to flow from emerging markets, including from Kazakhstan (the less dollars the more expensive) 2.TS borders are open to an influx of cheaper goods from Russia and Belarus the loss of their own market (the more expensive the tenge it’s easier to sell the goods and convert them into foreign currency) 3. The local reason for the beginning of the year is exactly the tax payments of exporters-subsoil users (20% of their gain when paying taxes to the budget in tenge and the proceeds are in dollars). In general, there are many reasons, but what’s annoying how this is done is overnight, and not gradually over 3-4 weeks. (Deposits and pension savings have subsided by 20%, the same as there is no gut, the population will again run away to the dollar )
                1. 0
                  17 February 2014 16: 03
                  Quote: Semurg
                  ) 2.TS borders are open to an influx of cheaper goods from Russia and Belarus and the loss of their own market (the more expensive the tenge, the easier it is to sell the product and convert it into foreign currency)

                  those. The TS created one of the problems that led to the devaluation. But in theory it should have been the other way around.

                  Quote: Semurg
                  but what’s annoying how it's done is overnight,

                  Well, in two nights it’s not possible to do it really (there will be a day in the middle), but to stretch .... You laugh the next day after the start of * soft * devaluation, people would have demolished all the currency in exchangers
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2014 18: 32
                    Yes, as that economist said, one of the reasons for the TS, the idea has not yet worked out. According to devaluation, a soft devaluation was needed, people would not have taken the exchangers (he has free tenge at most for a yard in dollars), and deposits in banks would simply be converted into dollar ones. And so it turns out their currency, tenge is killed undermining confidence in it, dropping its rate by 20% in one night.
                    1. +2
                      17 February 2014 18: 41
                      Quote: Semurg
                      Yes, as that economist said, one of the reasons for the TS, the idea has not yet worked out.


                      How will it work? If the uterus (RF) has no less problems
                      Quote: Semurg
                      According to devaluation, a soft devaluation was needed, people would not have taken the exchangers (he has free tenge at most for a yard in dollars), and deposits in banks would simply be converted into dollar ones.

                      You laugh, problems would not begin when people would begin to change cash on hand, and when they would begin to withdraw and exchange deposits. Then - panic, lack of cash and even greater panic, the dollar would take off (with rush demand not by 20% but at times - maybe)
                      Therefore, based on the situation, the solution was correct - a one-time devaluation of 9, I would even say with some margin) - I hope the latter.
                      Although, again, how things will go in the Russian Federation. Do not forget, Belarus the same soon it will pass
                      In general, as I see trade wars in the TS - this is a fact. And everything seemed to be so beautifully explained.
                      Wait for the response of the Government of the Kyrgyz Republic and the restriction of imports (the introduction of duties) - the market cannot be protected otherwise, but this is paralysis of the TS --- which was to be proved - more precisely, that I wrote another 8 months back - having received a cloud of minuses.
                      1. +1
                        17 February 2014 19: 07
                        Why run to the bank to cash out a deposit, and then change the cash to dollars when you can calmly transfer a deposit from tenge to dollar at the bank. It is profitable and the bank does not have an outflow of deposits. It is profitable and people do not lose sharply in savings. This is beneficial and the state does not lose confidence in its money (thirst is nothing - image is everything laughing ) Well, the fact that the opponents of the TS got a bunch of minuses is like hello, the Russians do not like to hear opinions different from theirs, as well as all the others laughing . The fact that the situation in Russia greatly affects us is a fact, and with the creation of the TS will affect even more. But maybe this is for the better, many will remove pink glasses to the TC account.
                      2. +4
                        17 February 2014 19: 27
                        Quote: Semurg
                        But maybe this is for the better, many will remove pink glasses to the TC account.


                        In the meantime, lace panties will be removed. laughing
                      3. +1
                        17 February 2014 19: 45
                        Quote: Zymran
                        Quote: Semurg
                        But maybe this is for the better, many will remove pink glasses to the TC account.


                        In the meantime, lace panties will be removed. laughing

                        yes women will have sadness laughing
                      4. The comment was deleted.
                      5. Dmitriy1975
                        0
                        19 February 2014 22: 43
                        You always have somebody to blame, then the Russian Empire, then the USSR, then Russia and maybe you shouldn't blame the mirror if the "mug" is a curve?
                      6. The comment was deleted.
                  2. The comment was deleted.
              2. The comment was deleted.
              3. +2
                17 February 2014 20: 46
                Alexander, good evening. They do not devalue for the first time. Another thing is how this happens. All the signs appeared in the summer (then everything that I had, I converted). But the authorities, like the stubborn ones, insisted that the tenge would be stable. But then devaluation occurs. It turns out CHECKED.
                About the vehicle. Kazakhstan ALWAYS monitored the state of the Russian economy. For example, Nazarbayev (NAS) always said that the investment climate and taxes would be "better" in Kazakhstan (VAT in Russia is 18%, in Kazakhstan 12%, etc.) AND RUBLE RATE ALL THE TIME WAS IN THE CENTER OF ATTENTION OF OUR CB. The problem for the RC in the vehicle is as follows. As I wrote above, the National Academy of Sciences monitors the investment climate in Kazakhstan. Therefore, many "barriers" have been removed. For example, paperwork. In Russia, the requirements are stricter, therefore, when exporting there, such certification is required, which has not been in Kazakhstan for a long time. And while this is a problem - everything that the Russians want is brought to us, but we still have problems. But everyone already knows - NAS has tried. Therefore, I think it will be resolved. And the Russian Federation is interested in the vehicle. For example, Asket wrote that at the meeting on Baikonur, Putin instructed to remove all questions about the cosmodrome, even against the interests of the Russian Federation.
                And if you look at the root of the problem of devaluation. That she is in uncontrolled printing DOLLAR. It turns out we have to swallow dollar inflation. WE CAN'T KEEP A DOLLAR COURSE IF IT IS WEAK. ONLY A STRONG ECONOMY CAN OPPOSE, AS THE PRC AND EU. THEREFORE, THE COMMON CURRENCY WILL BE STRONGER, AS THE ECONOMY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION + RK + RB WILL BE MUCH STRONGER THAN THE ECONOMY OF KAZAKHSTAN. hi
      6. The comment was deleted.
      7. Bur39
        0
        17 February 2014 00: 42
        if anything, then this is Korea .. although the essence is true
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. +5
      17 February 2014 06: 13
      Where did the word to Kerek come from? In the floodplain of the Irtysh in the Omsk province there was a Cossack (from the word Cossacks) settlement of Koryakovka, named after its founder, my ancestors lived in it before the revolution. It is believed that the city of Pavlodar began its existence from this village. Natives could not pronounce the word "Koryakovka", they did it - "kireku".
      Now it is believed that Kerek is Pavlodar in Kazakh.

      I once asked my late grandfather, how many Kazakhs were there? To which he received an answer: there were practically none - separate settlements at great distances, and extremely few in number.
  2. +6
    16 February 2014 07: 15
    Let it be yourself "Cossack Eli" , if only the debts of Kazakhstan did not go away as in the case of bankruptcy .... although after that (do not let ...) it will remain there .. feel Kazakhstan's external debt in January-September of the 2013 year increased from 136,925 billion to 147,965 billion recourse
    1. predator.3
      +22
      16 February 2014 09: 46
      Yes, I'm generally against renaming cities, streets! As they say, it’s not built by you, and it’s not for you to rename it, it’s better to build a new street or city and call it what you want — what a fantasy! Already passed this: Tver, Orenburg, Naberezhnye Chelny, etc. Also renamed so what? fool
      1. +3
        16 February 2014 10: 17
        Quote: predator.3
        Yes, I'm generally against renaming cities, streets! As they say, it’s not built by you, and it’s not for you to rename it, it’s better to build a new street or city and call it what you want — what a fantasy! Already passed this: Tver, Orenburg, Naberezhnye Chelny, etc. Also renamed so what? fool

        Yeah, and then what onomasts in their commission will do! wassat
      2. The comment was deleted.
        1. -2
          16 February 2014 10: 30
          Quote: Asgard
          Therefore, there was a "STAN" of the Russian People and they were in control ...

          What are you talking about ??? What does the word stan have to do with Russian ??? This is the Persian ending !!!!
          1. +18
            16 February 2014 11: 19
            Quote: Yeraz
            mill

            ОmillSheep millOK, milla vegetable.
            And I would like to ask you, Ali, the question, are you playing too often on the contradictions between the Kazakhs and the Russians, while being an Azerbaijani? It seems to me. the gap in the relationship must be covered, not widened. hi
            1. -7
              16 February 2014 17: 51
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Stop, machine, camp.

              So a person claims that the prefix Stan of the Cossacks is sacred with this, but this is not so. This is a Persian theme. Then the rest are not camps ?? After all, the Russians stood everywhere.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And I would like to ask you, Ali, the question, are you playing too often on the contradictions between the Kazakhs and the Russians, while being an Azerbaijani?

              I play ??? My first comment was well done by the Cossacks. And if the Cossacks come running and carry nonsense, then excuse me, they taught me how to help my brother, and how to trample him. If you haven’t noticed, I also react to the topic of the Caucasus, Muslims and Turkey.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              It seems to me. the gap in the relationship must be covered, not widened.

              I don’t write hey Cossack, look what’s written in Russian, on the contrary, I’m writing in Russian that he’s a srach and you’re lying here and there. I’m for the truth.
              1. +12
                16 February 2014 17: 54
                Quote: Yeraz
                Camp by Caza (X)Кs

                but let's still write according to the rules of the Russian language and not distort the language from the principles and the desire to "bite"
                1. -3
                  16 February 2014 18: 34
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  but let's still write according to the rules of the Russian language and not distort the language from the principles and the desire to "bite"

                  I write according to the correctness of the actual, and not invented. The fact that in the tsarist time Azerbaijanis were called Tatars because of this they did not become so, though Stalin forced us to stop calling ourselves Turks and tied, the territorial principle of the name, and not the national one.
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                  2. +4
                    16 February 2014 18: 43
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    I write according to the validity of the actual, not invented

                    sorry excuse yourself, this will not add respect to you.
                    It is precisely because of the ethnic conflicts that you have that arise, you live in Russia, are on our forum, write in Russian, but fundamentally be rude to Russian
                    1. +1
                      16 February 2014 18: 49
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      It is precisely because of the ethnic conflicts that you have that arise, you live in Russia, are on our forum, write in Russian, but fundamentally be rude to Russian

                      To go nuts calling Cossack as he calls himself, and not as Russians is an insult to Russians ???? Well, go treat your head.
                      1. +4
                        16 February 2014 18: 53
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        To go nuts calling Cossack as he calls himself, and not as Russians is an insult to Russians ???? Well, go treat your head.

                        Once again, are you really .... or are you just fooling around? !!!
                        let's write a Cossack, but even then in place orys you need to write Russian, but what about the English-speaking peoples for them "Y" is like a sickle in one place
                      2. +4
                        16 February 2014 20: 27
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        but what about the English-speaking peoples for them "Y" is like a sickle in one place

                        Because the Poles with their Latin alphabet are forced to abandon this beechAfka laughing good
              2. The comment was deleted.
          2. +13
            16 February 2014 11: 20
            Quote: Yeraz
            What are you talking about ??? What does the word stan have to do with Russian ??? This is the Persian ending !!!!


            Since the end of the XNUMXth century, there are administrative-territorial units into which counties in Russia were divided. In the XNUMXth century, in the Bryansk district, the Komaritsky volost was divided into camps. In the XVII century, in the Vazhsky district, the chets (quarters, quarterly boards) were divided into camps, and in the Ustyugsky district - thirds.

            This suggests that the Persian and Russian languages ​​came from the same root. In any case, this is not a Turkic word.
            1. +3
              16 February 2014 11: 59
              Quote: Setrac
              in Russia. In the XNUMXth century, in the Bryansk district, the Komaritsky volost was divided into camps.


              In Russian, "stan" has many meanings: parking lot, rolling mill, maiden camp, bailiff, etc.

              But here you are, like a Komarino peasant, telling me the news. I wonder where they got it from?
              1. Both Bryansk and Komarichi became part of Russia only in 1500, formally even at 1503m. From the composition of Lithuania. And this is the 16th century.
              2. At the time of the county division of this territory, the Komaric parish was part of the Sevsky district. Bryansk is far away. A little later he entered the Sevsky province. baryshnikovphotography.com/bertewor/Sevsky_ county
              3. The camp is not related to administrative division. It is related to judicial division. Lip, camp, lab camp, laborer, bailiff.
            2. 0
              16 February 2014 17: 51
              Quote: Setrac
              In any case, this is not a Turkic word.

              Ash stump, otherwise it makes sense to change))
            3. smersh70
              +2
              16 February 2014 23: 21
              Quote: Setrac
              This suggests that the Persian and Russian languages ​​came from the same root.

              if this statement, then I just have no words ........
            4. atillaxnumx
              +4
              16 February 2014 23: 31
              Administrative-territorial units in Iran-ostan. The word "stan" in Russian is not the same thing. But this is not a Turkic word - it is true.
          3. +11
            16 February 2014 15: 05
            Quote: Yeraz
            What does the word stan have to do with Russian ??? This is a Persian ending !!!!


            More precisely Indo-European, the root in complex words, which in some languages ​​has become a suffix, denoting "country".
            Stan - in the Russian state of the 14-16th centuries. administrative-territorial unit. 2) In Russia, from the 2nd quarter of the 19th century. administrative-police district of several volosts, headed by the bailiff. In districts, there were 2-3 camps.

            Etymology
            Comes from praslav. * Stan, from the cat. Among other things occurred: Russian-Church-Glory. stan (dr. Greek παρεμβολή), Ukrainian. camp (rod. p. y) "state, camp", Bulgarian. stan (at) “stan (camp); camp (girlish); machine ", Serbohorv. stan (clan st. stan, local unit stan) “housing; loom; (military.) rate ", Slovensk. stȃn (genus stȃna, stanȗ) “building, dwelling, corral; torso; condition ", Czech., Slovak. stan "tent, tent", Polish. stan "state, position; rank; staff, composition; waist ", V.-puddles., N.-puddles. stan "tent". Star glory. based on -u, akin to lit. stónas "condition" (borrowed.?), other ind. sthā́nam cf. R. "Place, place of stay", ave., Al-pers. stāna- “stand, place, stall”, new person sitān (from where the tour. Türkistan, Türkmenistan), Greek. δύστηνος, dor. δύστᾱνος (* δύσστᾱνος "in poor condition"), Greek. ἄστηνος "unfortunate", then to become the same here, Dr.-in-German. stân, stên "stand"

            Викисловарь
            1. +2
              16 February 2014 18: 29
              Quote: Ascetic
              Stan - in the Russian state of the 14-16th centuries. administrative territorial unit.
              ... Wiktionary

              Wikipedia is not the best reading. So before that, Setrac quoted Wikipedia - and where is the truth?

              But your quote goes back to the Great Encyclopedic Dictionary. She poses more questions than gives answers. There are no camps in the 1550 judicial system; there are governors who are governors in cities and rural municipality volosts. Then Ivan the Terrible carried out a reform. Labial districts and elected labial elders appeared, obeying the Robbery order. But it is not so easy to deal with camps. In the scientific literature on this issue, some are in the forest, some are for firewood, incl. with dating.

              Take, for example, the Komaritsa volost mentioned by Setrac. Here she is:
              Sevsky district. Mills: 1. Brasovsky (where Lokot and the notorious "capital" RONA), 2. Glodnevsky, 3. Radogozhsky, 4. Chemizhsky (Where False Dmitry, Bolotnikov). Note: the palace volosts Komaritskaya and Krupetskaya are named in the diagram.
              The volost (specifically this one) obeys the Palace Order, but carries military duties in the Sevsky Uyezd, where the voivode sits, who obeys the Rank Order. Attention, a question? Who obeys the camps, of which there are four on the territory of the county (and volost), provided that part of the settlements of these camps belong to the Bryansk district? What are these units?

              There were still Yaman camps obeying the Yamskiy order - but this is so, of course.

              sevsk32.ru/bylinspast/8/49/
              A good article here: www.plam.ru/hist/devjat_vekov_yuga_moskvy_mezhdu_filjami_i_brateevom/p3.php
              1. +4
                16 February 2014 19: 58
                Nikolay! I will not argue with you about the times of Ivan the Terrible in terms of administrative management, because I do not have enough knowledge of the topic, but the fact that the police position bailiff was established in 1837. and existed until 1917. not questioned. So, it’s become a stan as an administrative unit and as a concept already existed earlier in Russia. But haven’t they been sucked out of a finger? Why not name, for example, the Zemsky or county bailiff?
                Here's what TSB says about this
                Stan, 1) in Russia in the 11-17th centuries. the name of the military camp, which was usually set up in an elevated place and fortified with carts (kolymyhagami), tyn (fence), less often a moat and earthen rampart. 2 places
                long stops while traveling or traveling. Such Stan (camps) were known in Russia from the 11th century. They preceded the later Yamskoy and Postal Stan 3) Places of stay of officials of the feudal administration, where they collected tribute and carried out the trial of the surrounding population. The establishment of such Stan, according to legend recorded in the 11th century, dates back to the reign of Princess Olga (mid-10th century). Initially, representatives of the feudal authorities appeared on the Stan periodically, in time for the payment of duties by the population. In the 14-15 centuries. The camp was also called the territory under the jurisdiction of these representatives of princely power, and the Stan turned into an administrative-territorial unit; since the end of the 15th century - part of the county. In the 16-17 centuries. The camp was formed in the newly established border districts of the Russian state (Simbirsk, Tambov, etc.). Stan as territorial units existed in Russia until the beginning of the 20th century. 4) Since 1837, a police territorial unit in a county, usually each with twoa Stan
                1. +3
                  16 February 2014 20: 12
                  Now for the Judiciary. In the Judicial Codex of Ivan the Great (Saint) of 3.

                  The territory of the Russian state was divided into counties, and counties, in turn, on camps and volosts. The governor governed the county, and the volostel controlled the camp or volost. Viceroys and volostelites were appointed by the Grand Duke. Their main task was the production of a trial of the population, the maintenance of defensive structures and the fight against robberies. Viceroys were appointed for one to two years. They did not receive a salary, but were provided with everything necessary at the expense of the subservient population. Some court fees also came in their favor. Thus, the governors received territory for feeding, fed from them. The appointment to the post of governor or volostel was an encouragement from the Grand Duke and made it possible for servicemen to improve their financial situation. Such an order led to the abuse of governors, to the fact that they simply robbed the population subordinate to them. To combat this phenomenon, special norms were introduced - the letters indicated how much and what the governor may require from the population. However, this did not eliminate abuses - the usual complaints of the population against governors and volosts were common.
                  linkAnd here is a historical document from the time of Ivan 3
                  1. +3
                    16 February 2014 20: 15
                    Statutory deed of Grand Duke Ivan Vasilyevich to residents of the Velsky camp of the Vazhsky district on the selection of heads, elders and the best people for the search for robbers and tribes, the punishment of them and the compilation of lists of executed robbers and property confiscated from them

                    From the Grand Duke Ivan Vasilyevich of All Russia to Vazhsky Uyezd in the Velsky camp.

                    Naturally they sent us a brow from the Velsky camp of Ondrejk Vasiliev, the son of Toshebolov and Senka Ivanov, the son of Pinyagin that you [in the Velsky camp] and in the volostekh [ro] s [bojniko] in [u] [ta] t [e ] I’m [r] about the village being robbed, and your bellies rob and kill many people to death, and steal, and many other people in your volostech robbers and Taty have in their possession, and to a lot of people robbers and Tatis with a robbery and a tatboy they come and the robe junk and tatba are brought to them.

                    And you would intermarry, having met with one another, would have committed three or four good people in the Velsky camp and in the volostekh in the heads of people who could be literate and who could not be literate, and people would be kind and at the same time, and elders with them and the best people, five or six people, but in the meantime in [those] townships of dashing people, Tatyans and robbers themselves [about] searched for our godmother without any cunning.

                    And where do you search for rogues and Taty or hto keep the rogues and Taty, or who come to the rogues and Taty and the junk and Tatba are brought to, and you used these rogues and Taty slaves between you and the abbots and priests, and deacons in the priesthood, and by the best people and the middle ones, and without exchange by all according to the cross.
                    Completely here
                  2. 0
                    16 February 2014 21: 35
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    Now for the Judiciary. In the Judicial Codex of Ivan the Great (Saint) of 3. ... link

                    The left link is to some Petersburg institute of distance learning. There is no transition even to the table of contents. Who is author?

                    Here is the text (and comments) of the 1497 clerk himself: krotov.info/acts/16/2/pravo_01.htm
                    Where is it about the camps?
                2. +1
                  16 February 2014 20: 54
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  The police position of the bailiff was established in 1837. and existed until 1917. not questioned. Therefore, the camp as an administrative unit and as a concept already existed


                  We do not argue. This is called jointly seeking the truth.

                  The question is not whether the camps were in Russia, the question is what function they performed. Namely, such a question was formulated by me on the previous example. (Without touching pit, Cossack, etc. camps)

                  Everything is clear with the bailiff. When this post appeared, obviously, in modern terms, the camp is the responsibility of the police department.

                  What was the meaning of the camp before? Reading an encyclopedia is not constructive. Who wrote a short article there, what evidence base there is unknown.
                  Hopefully looked at my previous links. It is obvious from them that the camp and the volost are different concepts. Moreover, the camp there belongs to two counties at once.
                  But, for example, Tsarist Doctor of Science, professor of law, legal history specialist Sergeyevich Vasily Ivanovich writes that the camp and parish are synonyms: www.adhdportal.com/book_3231_chapter_21_I._Pravitelstvennoe_delenie.html
                  I also overlooked that a number of historians have about camps - also each about their own.

                  Here is the 1550 judge - no camps: lib.podelise.ru/docs/55432/index-1345-7.html
                  And this is the main document, which then determined the legal relations in the country.

                  To whom, when and how did the volost, county, governorate, province, province, governor general submit information. To whom did the camp submit? What hut? What order? What function did you carry?

                  Quote: Ascetic
                  Charter of the Grand Duke Ivan Vasilievich

                  There, on your link, scientists ask about the same questions.
          4. +5
            16 February 2014 16: 32
            Dear Ali!
            Quote: Yeraz
            What are you talking about ???
            You probably need to get used to what I am writing AS IS REALLY
            ... And the fact that you do not know, and most importantly, here write your disrespect for "KNOWLEDGE" and disrespect for People, it does not paint you)))


            Before something ETERNATES with a word on the Internet (or on paper), first think about whether YOU will be proud of it when your grandson reads grandfather's "imperishable" ...

            This is the second time you have behaved this way. Learn, my friend, and in the future, do not allow yourself to be told to you by a "big" adult ....

            I’m pulling with an article on Russian Language, (the stars are not so)), but when I post it, you should read it carefully, and there will be a request, do not comment on it (in this way)) there will be a number of provisions UNUSUAL to modern man (for several reasons )), but nevertheless they are Basic-code ... without them there will be no concept of everything that happened to us over the past thousand years ...

            You want to know? Or everyone should be measured according to their level. And not to perceive something that was not taught in childhood. Learn ALWAYS, don't make REPEATED "mistakes" ....
            BE THANKS to those around you, family and friends in the village, here on the forum, often say words of gratitude, that's all, in the end TOTAL will return to YOU)))))
          5. Qytayjuz
            +2
            17 February 2014 00: 53
            right, because there are other "countries" - Pakistan, Afghanistan, which were not part of the union
        2. +3
          16 February 2014 11: 15
          Quote: FRIGATE2
          FRIGATE2 (2) SU Today, 09:39 ↑ New

          wai wai wai. A general with a children's worldview, then let's move 100 pieces of Russians to Gibraltar and say that there are more Russians and Gibraltar is our land

          Frigate, remember Kosovo ......
        3. Mature naturalist
          +6
          16 February 2014 13: 07
          Quote: Asgard
          Nazarbayev ... in the future ... will no longer be needed

          I am here periodically of modern Nostradamus - Artyom Dragunov - quote.
          Here is his next quote three weeks ago:
          "Events in Kazakhstan will begin as soon as. As soon as - already quickly. Already this year. Imagine what would have happened to Russia if Putin suddenly disappeared, or to Belarus if the dad would have fallen on skis instead of Shumi ... "
          From here: http://artemdragunov.livejournal.com/2944224.html
          1. 0
            17 February 2014 11: 24
            Quote: Mature Naturalist
            Quote: Asgard
            Nazarbayev ... in the future ... will no longer be needed

            I am here periodically of modern Nostradamus - Artyom Dragunov - quote.
            Here is his next quote three weeks ago:
            "Events in Kazakhstan will begin as soon as. As soon as - already quickly. Already this year. Imagine what would have happened to Russia if Putin suddenly disappeared, or to Belarus if the dad would have fallen on skis instead of Shumi ... "
            From here: http://artemdragunov.livejournal.com/2944224.html

            Kazaktar Zhuz begin the struggle for power, begin to cut each other and parallel to others. Russia, under the slogan of Russian protection, is occupying the north-east-west of Kazakhstan, leaving the Kazaktarg 3-4 southern regions over which the protectorate establishes. In the wake of this in Russia there is a patriotic upsurge that leads to growth in all areas of the economy, demography, science, etc. This is not the case your tuner tunic broadcasts, so it’s been heard in different variations for 20 years since the advent of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            1. Mature naturalist
              +1
              17 February 2014 19: 55
              Did you understand what you wrote? I do not understand.
              And Dragunov writes that nothing lasts forever, even the most important highly respected Kazakh. May Allah extend his years (no kidding).
              1. Mature naturalist
                0
                17 February 2014 22: 18
                By the way, since Schumacher is mentioned, a stroke can be assumed.
          2. The comment was deleted.
        4. +1
          16 February 2014 13: 54
          One Turkic-speaking comrade claimed that “Kazak Eli” is pronounced as "Kazakh ale". If if this is true, then the new name is not at all as simple as being served
          1. +4
            16 February 2014 14: 01
            Quote: xtur
            One Turkic-speaking comrade claimed that “Kazak Eli” is pronounced as "Kazakh ale". If if this is true, then the new name is not at all as simple as being served


            Kazakh ale is a kind of Kazakh beer, like English ale in a pub laughing
            1. +1
              17 February 2014 10: 52
              > Kazakh ale is a kind of Kazakh beer, like English ale in a pub

              almost the entire wiki about this beer
              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Эль_(социум):

              El (turks. ooze) - a specific form of organization of the state of the medieval Turkic-Mongolian peoples; a military-political organism uniting nomads under the rule of a dominant dynasty or tribal union (Eternal Turkic Ale, Kyrgyz ale).

              Monuments of the runic writing of the Central Asian empires of the Turkic peoples define this term as a social whole, social unity.

              The term "ale"Extremely polysemantic. This social category is known to us among many Turkic-speaking peoples in the meanings of 'community', 'set of people served.' According to L. N. Gumilyov, ale involves forcibly subjugating other tribes like the Latin "imperium" or Russian "power." S. V. Kiselyov understood by ale the unification of the aristocracy of various tribes into an organizationally united tradition borrowed from the same tribal system by the aristocratic stratum. V.V. Trepavlov understands by ale estate-administrative structures of the military and clan nobility, which could unite and know the conquered tributaries.
        5. +8
          17 February 2014 05: 31
          I was in Kazakhstan in 2011 and everything is even close not the way you write!
          1) I went through the customs at the airport and received the luggage in 15 minutes. For comparison, when we flew from Magadan to Moscow, we were buried in Sheremetyevo for an hour and a half — we were waiting for our luggage.
          2) I was amazed that in Kazakhstan I didn’t see ANY SQUIRTED FENCE
          3) I was amazed that in every roadside cafe there were wonderful clean toilets. In general, almost everywhere in Kazakhstan is pretty neat, and I drove from Balkhash right up to
          Russian border near the Urals.
          4) When we broke down on the road, local traffic cops REALLY helped us. They walked on the radio in advance to find a car that drove us back to Karaganda. In this case, to our resentment,
          they completely refused even fish and caviar with us in gratitude to accept
          5) The bus crossed the Russian-Kazakh border. It was night. Kazakh border guards got on the bus and selectively asked three people to show their bags. Russian women
          they drove everyone out into the street with the sleeping children, and for two hours they queued us in line
          6) In Kazakhstan, ALL roadside cafes and shops are open 24 hours. As soon as we crossed our border, everything was closed. Again - about toilets: Kazakhs for the first time, probably
          saw that there could be a wooden toilet next to the cafe where visitors go
          7) Let's go through the Urals. Native Russian warped fences and impassable dirt went to pain
          And you still claim that there is "bad leadership" in Kazakhstan ??? They MENTALITY cannot manage ??? !!! The level of service and civil service in Kazakhstan is in no way inferior to the same states. I am a patriot of Russia, but don't even start about our "management".
          1. -2
            17 February 2014 10: 03
            The post itself, Basic, deleted for some reason ?? because of the mentality or what?)))
            I wrote about Ancient Russia ... When the Russian People ruled there. Do not confuse with modernity. Where did you see People in the Office ??? mostly -human

            Everyone knows about the field camp?!?! Or not))))
            An analogue was in Tartaria (the empire of the Rus)) - from there the names Pakistan, Afghanistan and so on and so forth))
            Russian People came to the place in the Kazakh steppe, equipped "STAN" and began to organize local tribes - they taught to build their latrines in a certain place, and not throughout the steppe))) introduced the breeding of sheep, horses, tried to organize agriculture, infrastructure, settled lifestyle - hence the word STAN.

            Today, KazakhStan lives in an information environment, if it doesn’t work out, the mentality has not changed at all))) yes, a cafe, yes toilets, Kazakhs built Astana)))))
            Or are they not Kazakhs ???? Someone is "different" and for himself))))
            That is the difference .......
            You confuse reality with the GREAT past (this is not patriotic))))
            1. Beck
              +3
              17 February 2014 14: 55
              Quote: Asgard
              Everyone knows about the field camp?!?! Or not))))
              An analogue was in Tartaria (empire of Rusov)) - from there the names Pakistan, Afghanistan and so on and so forth


              I have other information.

              Stan is an Iranian word and means Earth. I met a collection of Persian poems in Russian translation, there is a poem "Bu stan" and a translation of "Land of Flowers"

              When the Turks in the 1-6 centuries assimilated the descendants of the Aryans in the vastness of Kazakhstan, the Urals, the Volga region, Central Asia, then, as with any assimilation, the languages ​​were mixed. In Turkic dialects there are many words with Iranian roots. In the Kazakh language, probably about 20 percent, for clarity: the camp is the earth, nur is luminous, penetrated with light, the pusher is the wave and the names Rustam, Madi are also the names of the Aryans, the first name is the name of the hero, the middle name is the name of a certain Aryan king. Also, the main holiday of the Aryans Navruz, the New Year, which even Islam could not abolish, went into the life of the Turks.

              In the Kazakh language there is also a Turkic word meaning land - zher. But the Aryan camp became a symbol of the Turkic and Iranian-speaking countries. Kazakhstan is the land of the Kazakhs, Uzbekistan, Tatarstan, Afghanistan similarly.

              On this basis, the word Stan came to the Türks from the Iranian-speaking Aryans, and to the Russians from the Türks, like many other Türkisms in the Russian language. And already in the Russian language the word Stan acquired multiple meanings, not only as land, but also as a place - a field mill, a rolling mill, etc.
              1. +2
                17 February 2014 15: 19
                Quote: Beck
                When the Turks in the 1-6 centuries assimilated the descendants of the Aryans in the vastness of Kazakhstan, the Urals, the Volga region, Central Asia, then, as with any assimilation, the languages ​​were mixed.

                That is, you yourself know that the Türks are aliens here, and nevertheless insist on your autochthonousness!
                When the Turks assimilated the Aryans - this is normal, when the reverse process started - so immediately the Indo-Europeans became invaders and colonialists.
                Double standards in the spirit of the State Department propaganda industry?
                1. FRIGATE2
                  +2
                  17 February 2014 17: 32
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Double standards in the spirit of the State Department propaganda industry?

                  if you are an adult, then stop writing children's things about the State Department.
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2014 17: 44
                    Quote: FRIGATE2
                    if you are an adult, then stop writing children's things about the State Department.

                    What kind of childish things are they? Western special services carry out anti-Russian and anti-Russian propaganda in the post-Soviet space. And some "friends" of Russia, willingly or unwillingly, contribute to this. Did I write a lie? I wrote the truth, Beck has double standards directed against the Russians.
                    Proceeding from its flag, I remembered the State Department, but could have drowned other sharagi - the CIA, the massad, mi5 and so on and so forth.
                    1. Beck
                      +2
                      18 February 2014 08: 45
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Beck has double standards against the Russians.


                      It’s on your sick (great-power) head it seems so. I constantly note that Russians are one of the Great Nations. The great one is because not all nations were able to create such a state as Russia. Russia is great for its history as well as England, France, India, China, etc.

                      Quote: Setrac
                      Proceeding from its flag, I remembered the State Department, but could have drowned other sharagi - the CIA, the massad, mi5 and so on and so forth.


                      I have already written how many times that changing a flag is a technical malfunction of some kind of conductor, Belain or something. In ten minutes, my flag can change three times. And what in these ten minutes I have time to hit the road here, from Kazakhstan to the United States and vice versa?

                      In general, you saw through me, your great power. I confess I am a recruited agent and send comments on this site to my owners. The CIA and the NSA pay me one pension per message. But I am a double agent, even multiple. I’m also an agent of the SVR and the FSB, they pay me one penny each. An agent of Mongolia, they themselves are generous, they pay me one tugrik each. Another agent of the Comoros, but for them I work for free, they have a strain on the budget. And in secret, only to you, I’m still an alien agent, but I work for them purely for ideological reasons.
                      1. -4
                        18 February 2014 11: 10
                        Quote: Beck
                        but I work for them purely for ideological reasons.

                        These are all rotten excuses, how about this claim?

                        Quote: Beck
                        When the Turks in the 1-6 centuries assimilated the descendants of the Aryans in the vastness of Kazakhstan, the Urals, the Volga region, Central Asia, then, as with any assimilation, the languages ​​were mixed.

                        Quote: Setrac
                        When the Turks assimilated the Aryans - this is normal, when the reverse process started - so immediately the Indo-Europeans became invaders and colonialists.

                        Or are there not enough Turkic words in the Russian language to be considered as mixing?
                    2. FRIGATE2
                      +2
                      18 February 2014 23: 47
                      Quote: Setrac
                      What kind of childish things are they? Western special services carry out anti-Russian and anti-Russian propaganda in the post-Soviet space. And some "friends" of Russia, willingly or unwillingly, contribute to this. Did I write a lie? I wrote the truth, Beck has double standards directed against the Russians. Based on his flag, I remembered the State Department, but I could remember other sharags - the CIA, Massad, MI5 and so on and so forth.

                      your thoughts are not like the thoughts of an adult healthy person
                      in your head the conspiracy theory has taken over the whole brain and you look like a mentally ill person.
                      if you find yourself at a psychiatrist’s meta-examination and throw out such words in a personal conversation, they will immediately begin to treat you.

                      What the FSB and Putin vile organizations and parties are building you like it huh?
                      For you, as a Russian, a priori, Russian is good, Russian president is good, Russian intelligence is also good, because Russian.
                      for you, in the same way, a Russian maniac is good, a Russian killer is good, a Russian Nazi is also good, they brought the poor Nazis to become skinheads.
                      Based on this logic, you have the idea that all the people in the world were once Russian, and then suddenly they took and became other nations, and before they lived in Great Tartaria.

                      Where is the evidence that Fomenko showed you the original map? Where do Russian academics themselves recognize the works of Fomenko?

                      Academician Zaliznyak himself considers them and Fomenko to be insane morons who live on this bread - to litter the brains of Russians.

                      a conspiracy plan where supposedly agents clog up and erase Russian history, science and education are made by your own Russians such as Fomenko, Nosov, Chudinov, Russia's illiterate comedian aka Zadornov.

                      Nobody erases history and culture, you yourself erase and ruin your history and your country with your Russian hands, your ignorance and lack of education.

                      Yes, you will lose any Russian schoolchild of grade 5 in history.

                      And about the conspiracies and that Beck is a CIA agent, how much you write and how much they explain to you.
                      when registering, I indicated the flag of the USSR. and now the flag of the European Union is coming out, I have internet from a Swedish company, I think because of this, or admins specifically change it.
                      There are no conspiracies, you spread rot on your own country and dishonor it even without any conspiracies, and soon it can destroy it like the USSR.
                      How can one think of conspiracies if he himself is dumb and unearished? Yes, it’s convenient to think about conspiracies, because studying history is long and dreary and difficult with all these dates, and to think that the whole world is Russian is so simple and easy.

                      This mental syndrome is called "psiterror". This psychological illness includes:
                      1 the presence of a constant threat to the life of the patient, although this threat does not actually exist.
                      2 constant accusation of another person, and more often people in their troubles.
                      3 the patient's feeling that this menacing force is already in his head and makes him do things against his will.
                      I accidentally got an old Kazakh woman on the street in Almaty. She panicked all over, I thought to help. She tells me, help me, the Uyghur police are threatening me, the Uyghurs are hunting for me and want to kill me. She was all twitching, I realized in my gut that a runaway or not found psycho
                2. Beck
                  +1
                  17 February 2014 19: 18
                  Quote: Setrac
                  That is, you yourself know that the Türks are aliens here, and nevertheless insist on your autochthonousness!


                  You constantly juggle and juggle. When I said that the Türks are autochthonous. If by and large, then the arias that came to the steppes of Kazakhstan were not autochaons. Someone lived here, unknown to the history of the tribe, since long before the Aryans all lands were already inhabited.

                  But the Turks who came to Kazakhstan assimilated the Aryans. These peoples merged to form one people.

                  But the Slavs came beyond the Volga already in the era of colonialism. And they did not assimilate with the Turks, did not constitute one people. Therefore, the original lands of the Turks - the steppes, Rus - Valdai.
                  1. +1
                    17 February 2014 19: 22
                    Quote: Beck
                    You constantly juggle and juggle. When I said that the Türks are autochthonous.

                    There are comrades here who are sure that Kazakhs are older than Ukrainians.
                    1. +2
                      17 February 2014 20: 41
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Quote: Beck
                      You constantly juggle and juggle. When I said that the Türks are autochthonous.

                      There are comrades here who are sure that Kazakhs are older than Ukrainians.

                      Kazakhs as a people appeared in the 16th century. They came from different tribes, but some tribes from which the Kazakh people formed are quite ancient and appeared a very long time ago. If Ukrainians are considered the heirs of the glades with the capital in Kiev, then their history is long in time.
                      1. Clegg
                        0
                        17 February 2014 20: 42
                        Quote: Semurg
                        Kazakhs as a people appeared in the 16th century

                        Isn't it at 15?
                      2. 0
                        17 February 2014 21: 56
                        Yes, in the 15th century. why put a minus? fixed
                      3. The comment was deleted.
                    2. The comment was deleted.
                    3. Beck
                      +2
                      18 February 2014 08: 30
                      Quote: Setrac
                      There are comrades here who are sure that Kazakhs are older than Ukrainians.


                      Here and address them. Everywhere, until the 15th century, I write Türks, as the Kazakh people began to take shape from the Turkic tribes in the middle of the 15th century. And the history of these tribes goes back to antiquity. Kipchaks in the 10th century came from the Baraba steppes to northern Kazakhstan and further to the South Russian steppes. Naimans with Kereits formed the basis of the original army of Genghis Khan, and before that they practiced Nestorian Christianity. And even earlier, 6-7 centuries were part of the Turkic Kaganate. And now the Kipchaks, Naimans, Kereites, Argyns and others are the components of the Kazakh people. Every Kazakh knows what tribe he is from.
          2. ekzorsist
            0
            17 February 2014 21: 49
            Quote: Magadan
            I was amazed that in Kazakhstan I did not see a single skewed fence
            3) I was amazed that in every roadside cafe there were wonderful clean toilets. In general, almost everywhere in Kazakhstan is pretty neat,

            ... And it’s interesting that you didn’t travel together with Nazarbayev ??? If together with him, then even on the whole road Tyrolean sausages with Bavarian beer in unlimited quantities were handed out to all passing (with NAS) ...
            And in most cafes (especially roadside ones in the Republic of Kazakhstan), the toilet is around the corner ... and it’s strange, too, wooden!?! And in those that have a toilet in the city ... well, I would not admire its cleanliness with such pathos - it’s also filthy ...
            Quote: Magadan
            When we broke down on the road, the traffic cops REALLY helped us. They walked on the radio in advance to find a car that drove us back to Karaganda. In this case, to our resentment,
            they completely refused even fish and caviar with us in gratitude to accept

            ... Remember the simple rule - the Kazakhstani zholpopovets is not a beggar to take some garbage (they wanted to slip some fish ...) - they take - bucks, euros, sterling and other currency!
            Quote: Magadan
            In Kazakhstan, ALL roadside cafes and shops are open 24 hours. As soon as we crossed our border, everything was closed.

            ... And where do people go ??? You want to eat something ..., normal work - NO, real wages are less than 200 bucks ..., and prices are far from "childish" ...
            So they plow a day to fly to make ends meet somehow ... I did not understand what was the pig’s delight here?
            Quote: Magadan
            Let's go through the Urals. Native Russian warped fences and impassable dirt went to pain

            ... Next time when you go ... write, I will show you both the real dirt (which you have not seen anywhere in Russia) and the real warped fences ... and those who live behind them ... immediately the enthusiasm will decrease.
    2. +9
      16 February 2014 09: 46
      Well, perhaps, the situation was "corrected" at the expense of the population, taking 20% ​​from the pockets of every citizen, including from mandatory pension savings.
      I think they will "correct" more than once ...
      1. +10
        16 February 2014 11: 41
        Perhaps this is not the end.
        "In a market economy, that is, to put it bluntly in a capitalist economy, thousands of enterprises go bankrupt every year, new ones appear. We have never practiced in Kazakhstan explaining this or that, including with banks. Agriculture is overstocked with loans, we are not a single farmer, a major oligarch was not made bankrupt and allowed to go around the world, did not give his property to another who can do it. Until we do this, we stand with one foot in socialism, the other in capitalism, understand? "Nazarbayev said, addressing the chairman National Bank of the Republic of Kazakhstan Kairat Kelimbetov during an extended government meeting on Friday.
        Each time these are private banks, these are private people who have always boasted that we are so big, we are so rich, where are they now? With an outstretched hand they go to the state: "Help, save our loans," Nazarbayev said.
        "Why did they give loans? Let them reduce the level of assets and reduce the volume of these bad loans. No, there is no help, there is no such banks! Do you understand, the new chairman of the National Bank?", The president emphasized, addressing Kelimbetov.
        What an interesting message. Probably some kind of outlook is planned ...
        1. +8
          16 February 2014 12: 08
          The government deceived the people of Kazakhstan once again, they assured that there would be no devaluation, several times. Deposits, pensions, salaries decreased by 20% per day.
          1. +5
            16 February 2014 12: 22
            Quote: Igor39
            The government deceived the people of Kazakhstan once again, they assured that there would be no devaluation, several times. Deposits, pensions, salaries decreased by 20% per day.


            It's time to get used to it already. As stated that there is no stronger national currency and the dollar is resting - wait for the collapse.
          2. +13
            16 February 2014 12: 57
            Yes, there is one.
            I just can’t understand why, with such manic persistence, our authorities regularly carry out a shock devaluation. That in 2009, and this year they dropped by 20-25% in one day. Although in Russia at the same time, the rate was decreasing systematically and for several months, which I consider less painful for the population!
            We are stubbornly taldychat that everything is in order and there are no reasons for devaluation, keep your money in national currency on deposits, and then bang and excuse me.
            At the same time, they hypocritically convince us that this is also good for us!
            1. +2
              16 February 2014 14: 36
              Quote: Yerlan
              I just can’t understand why, with such manic persistence, our authorities regularly carry out a shock devaluation.

              In principle, the population listened to officials less and more often paid attention to the rates of neighboring currencies and the amount of goods imported from neighbors.
              What will be the devaluation was understandable.
              I will bring my koment, KZ swamps February 7, 2014 20:33 | Myths about Ukraine
              By the way, your hryvnia is sagging strongly, even growing a ruble against a tenge, no matter how much our ruble devalued against a growing ruble, so that there would again be no trade imbalance. For my century this has happened twice.
              And now we look who last year blocked our markets for their products and converted the revenue into hard currency, at the same time as the imports from China fell by 50-70%, thanks to customs duties and technical regulations.
              1. +3
                16 February 2014 14: 59
                By the way, have you heard lace-ups in the Taiga Union will be banned ?! laughing
                1. +1
                  16 February 2014 15: 06
                  Quote: Zymran
                  By the way, have you heard lace-ups in the Taiga Union will be banned ?!

                  Campaign Belarusian lingerie manufacturers lobbied. smile
                  Ours needs to lobby so that only the chilled meat is on the TS markets. No freezing.
                  Trade wars, currency wars in the vehicle.
                  1. +2
                    16 February 2014 17: 28
                    Quote: marshes
                    Campaign Belarusian lingerie manufacturers lobbied. smile


                    But do not they let out with lace? laughing
                    1. +1
                      16 February 2014 17: 43
                      Quote: Zymran
                      But do not they let out with lace?

                      she talked with her mother, she designed these factories, there lace only as a decoration
                      1. +6
                        16 February 2014 19: 18
                        Belarusian underwear of high quality, beautiful and comfortable, TESTED by yourself! Chinese - it is NOT NECESSARY for free! In addition, Belarusians sew beautiful women's costumes, sit on a figure, as if they were taking measurements from me, I’ve been buying them for 10 years already!
                        Thank you BELARUSIANS! And your mother, Vladimir Vasilenko, personally!
                      2. +5
                        16 February 2014 19: 31
                        and in Alma-Ata, knitwear was better, but ...
                        first sold to traders and then decided that a business center is better than production, employing 5000 people plus branches
                      3. 0
                        16 February 2014 20: 05
                        that's interesting who put a minus?
                        weakly substantiate?
                      4. +3
                        16 February 2014 20: 34
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        weakly substantiate?

                        This is normal for bad guys. laughing
                        But fixable.
                      5. +2
                        16 February 2014 20: 41
                        No, it’s really interesting to me, it’s just that this production is very closely connected with my family, at one time my grandfather worked there as a general director, my father and mother worked there, and my mother, among other things, was already working at a design institute in the late 80s.
                        so it’s extremely interesting what I said wrong
                      6. +4
                        16 February 2014 22: 11
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        No, it’s really interesting to me, it’s just that this production is very closely connected with my family, at one time my grandfather worked there as a general director, my father and mother worked there, and my mother, among other things, was already working at a design institute in the late 80s.
                        so it’s extremely interesting what I said wrong

                        Nepotism however laughing . If the father would have become general and privatized in the 90s, now they would probably have been in chocolate.
                      7. 0
                        16 February 2014 22: 58
                        I do not understand this at all why?
                      8. The comment was deleted.
                      9. +1
                        16 February 2014 20: 40
                        Probably the one who ruined the knitwear, or other production, depriving people of their jobs, probably passed.
                      10. +1
                        16 February 2014 20: 46
                        I'm just interested in the rationale for the minus, by the way, the last owner was the head of the "relish" trading network then the Arabs and Turks were sold for a penny
                      11. ekzorsist
                        0
                        16 February 2014 22: 47
                        Oh yes how much equipment they sold ... for a pittance belay wassat it’s just incomprehensible to the mind - how so?!?
                        Huge factories where up to 25000 people went out in one shift ... turned into ... screwdriver-hammer production.
                        And all this under the slogans of independence, development and stabilization.
                      12. 0
                        16 February 2014 22: 58
                        I wonder why the Russian patreotnya forgets about no less than the number of destroyed plants in Russia. Here is an incomplete list.

                        http://www.rospisatel.ru/predprijatija.htm

                        And here we are talking about whole cities

                        http://www.pravda.ru/districts/17-07-2013/1165925-gorodaprizraki-0/
                      13. +3
                        16 February 2014 23: 07
                        Quote: Zymran
                        I wonder why the Russian patreotnya forgets about no less than the number of destroyed plants in Russia. Here is an incomplete list.

                        unfortunately a lot has been ruined, but we are already launching submarines, building ships, etc.
                        but in R, unfortunately, they continue to coffin and sell
                      14. +2
                        16 February 2014 23: 10
                        We never built submarines, and we build ships somehow.
                      15. +2
                        16 February 2014 23: 13
                        for that, in the Kazakh SSR there was a magnificent light industry safely destroyed, there was a tractor factory, a radio engineering, and pharmaceuticals
                      16. FRIGATE2
                        +3
                        17 February 2014 17: 46
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        for that, in the Kazakh SSR there was a magnificent light industry safely destroyed, there was a tractor factory, a radio engineering, and pharmaceuticals

                        Yes, and this equipment was the best and even purchased for export to other countries and thus Russian cars and tractors were the best in the world, but the union collapsed due to the Kazakhs and evil Kazakhs destroyed everything that the good Russians and parents of Vladi Vasilenko created.

                        You are an adult and stop breeding srach which Kazakhs are bad, and my family is good. If your parents and you are so perfect that you didn’t stay and do not fight with evil Kazakhs.

                        So it’s enough already here on the site to express that the Kazakhs are stupid and savages, and in general nonhumans. Good, everyone, you are not a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan, everything, you have a new life in Russia and I am very glad that your family is now helping to get up from Russia's knees. Forget Kazakhstan and in every topic about Kazakhstan do not write anything.

                        Do you already know how unpleasant your reviews about bad Kazakhs are to read? What right do you have to constantly force the Kazakhs to indulge your opinion. Times have passed, not your family grabbed these plants, so other families grabbed and that they constantly cry.

                        What Khrapunov do not whine, that he sold and sold half of Almaty schools and kindergartens that you could go to?

                        Do not whine to Khrapunov, because he is Russian, and if the Kazakh did this, you whine.

                        I don’t defend the Kazakh who took away your business, I only protect from your hypocrisy that Kazakh means bad and a pest.
                      17. 0
                        17 February 2014 17: 51
                        Quote: FRIGATE2
                        I don’t protect the Kazakh who took away your business, I only protect from your hypocrisy that Kazakh is bad and pest

                        actually, my business was not taken away by anyone, and I did not inherit it from anyone; I created it myself from scratch

                        Quote: FRIGATE2
                        Do not whine to Khrapunov, because he is Russian, and if the Kazakh did this, you whine.

                        on some branch I already spoke about this boor
                        Quote: FRIGATE2
                        So it’s enough already here on the site to express that the Kazakhs are stupid and savages, and in general nonhumans.

                        can you give an example ?!
                      18. Crawl
                        0
                        17 February 2014 00: 15
                        But the "diamond in Mittal's crown" is bent.
                      19. ekzorsist
                        -1
                        17 February 2014 21: 58
                        Quote: Zymran
                        We never built submarines, and we build ships somehow.

                        In !!! And what a miracle the pile was piled in the Kazakhstan steppes ??? ...
                        Although I know ... laughing - Camel !!! So his mother nature created, however!
                      20. +1
                        17 February 2014 22: 53
                        http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/foto-pervyiy-kazahstanskiy-raketnyiy-korabl
                        -spuschen-na-vodu-v-uralske-212924 /
                      21. +2
                        17 February 2014 00: 03
                        Quote: Zymran
                        I wonder why the Russian patreotnya forgets about no less than the number of destroyed plants in Russia. Here is an incomplete list.

                        All these plants were ruined as a result of the rupture of economic ties between the Union republics. Russia will restore what it has lost in the republics, but will the republics be able to restore what they have lost in Russia?
                      22. -1
                        17 February 2014 13: 03
                        Quote: Setrac

                        All these plants were ruined as a result of the rupture of economic ties between the Union republics.


                        I absolutely agree, here it is not necessary to say that the Kazakhs supposedly ditched the entire industry. Everything happened for objective reasons. Alliance still destroyed you, not us.
                      23. +1
                        17 February 2014 13: 36
                        Quote: Zymran
                        Alliance still destroyed you, not us.

                        You type has nothing to do with it? Of course, Kazakhstan "craved" independence less than some clinical republics, there is some truth in your words. However, the politics of the republics after the collapse showed xy from xy.
                      24. +1
                        17 February 2014 13: 38
                        Quote: Zymran
                        all happened for objective reasons

                        Of course, according to the objective, profit from the business center and the sale of equipment can be obtained now, but from production only tomorrow
                        Quote: Zymran
                        all the same, you, and not us, destroyed the union.

                        Undoubtedly, I hope there is enough oil in hell for Yeltsin, but Kazakhstan has already killed the industry on its own
                      25. +1
                        17 February 2014 15: 41
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Of course, according to the objective, profit from the business center and the sale of equipment can be obtained now, but from production only tomorrow


                        Objective reasons are a violation of relations between the Union republics, from where raw materials for industry were supplied on the one hand, and the disappearance of sales markets in the same republics on the other. Plus, the non-competitiveness of the product in a market economy, this is obvious.
                      26. +1
                        17 February 2014 16: 07
                        this is a violation of relations between the Union republics, from where raw materials were supplied for industry
                        cotton spinning, worked on cotton produced in the Republic of Kazakhstan
                        on the one hand, and the disappearance of markets in the same republics on the other

                        destroying the knitwear, the Republic of Kazakhstan massively imports goods manufactured at the APTO from Turkey and China
                      27. ekzorsist
                        -1
                        16 February 2014 22: 41
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        that's interesting who put a minus?
                        weakly substantiate?

                        Do not be offended, it was their Kazakh mentality that worked ... to see revenge for the Alma-Ata knitwear (which was drained).
                        Although in fact a good factory was - ... the kingdom of heaven to her, as well as the whole industry of Kazakhstan.
                      28. The comment was deleted.
                      29. The comment was deleted.
                      30. 0
                        17 February 2014 10: 09
                        ia-ai00 Belarusian underwear of high quality, beautiful and comfortable, TESTED by yourself! [/ i]

                        Moore Moore Moore !!! love
                    2. The comment was deleted.
            2. +2
              16 February 2014 14: 45
              You tell Belarusians about such devaluation - they will laugh in your face
              1. 0
                16 February 2014 14: 48
                Quote: kolesik
                You tell Belarus about such devaluation, and they will laugh in your face


                In the sense of? At one time, their currency dipped by 60 percent.
              2. +4
                16 February 2014 14: 51
                Quote: kolesik
                You tell Belarus about such devaluation, and they will laugh in your face

                The funny thing is that the sellers of Belarusian furniture and tires in Kazakhstan did not rewrite the price tags in their stores after the devaluation.
                1. +2
                  16 February 2014 20: 47
                  By the way, I also have BELARUSIAN furniture. Excellent furniture, TREE SHOWS! And sound! Again, THANKS BELARUSIANS!
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2014 21: 02
                    Quote: ia-ai00
                    furniture BELARUSIAN


                    Then do not complain about the devaluation.
                    The Chinese are great, they don’t take all the money out to themselves, they leave part of it in banks in Kazakhstan, if they can lend without interest. If they exported goods, they don’t upset the trade balance.
                    1. +4
                      16 February 2014 21: 23
                      I DO NOT COMPLAIN, A - RETURNING !!!
                      What does devaluation and Belarusian goods have to do with it? Something "carried you" in the wrong place ... The state HAS CLIMMED into MY POCKET to put MY money in its leaky pocket, because of such as Nazarbayev's son-in-law, the former Akim of Alma-Ata KhRapunov, etc. " figures "who, having stolen billions, dump them into the" hospitable "England, the refuge of all thieves.
                      Let your Chinese be great, but I prefer to buy Kazakhstani, Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian goods and products. And you raise the standard of living of China, FOR HEALTH!
                      1. +2
                        16 February 2014 21: 42
                        Quote: ia-ai00
                        but I prefer to buy Kazakhstani, Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian goods and products

                        Kazakhstani goods did not become competitive with respect to goods from Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, due to the devaluation of their nat.
                        currencies. The producers of these countries exported the currency without even leaving part of the margin in our banks. In January alone, the national bank spent 2.2 billion dollars to support the tenge exchange rate and it all started in June. This is a 72% increase in sales of AvtoVAZ and others. Even earlier when cars were bought over the hill, part of the margin still remained in Kazakhstan.
                      2. +1
                        16 February 2014 21: 52
                        Quote: marshes
                        Quote: ia-ai00
                        but I prefer to buy Kazakhstani, Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian goods and products

                        Kazakhstani goods did not become competitive with respect to goods from Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, due to the devaluation of their nat.
                        currencies. The producers of these countries exported the currency without even leaving part of the margin in our banks. In January alone, the national bank spent 2.2 billion dollars to support the tenge exchange rate and it all started in June. This is a 72% increase in sales of AvtoVAZ and others. Even earlier when cars were bought over the hill, part of the margin still remained in Kazakhstan.

                        Does the vehicle work?
                      3. +4
                        16 February 2014 22: 04
                        Quote: Semurg
                        Does the vehicle work?

                        It’s the most, they are worried about taking Omsk entrepreneurs that they will not be able to import their goods into Kazakhstan and are afraid that our goods will seize the market from them, due to devaluation. Or they want to sell Belshin even cheaper.
                        Drivers from Novosibirsk, travel with rubles to us exchange for dollars and buy the remnants of cars that were delivered even before the vehicle.
                      4. +2
                        16 February 2014 22: 16
                        The market, however, the cheaper your national currency, the more competitive the product, but the population will lose on inflation.
                      5. +2
                        16 February 2014 22: 21
                        It’s necessary to follow all this, I’ve survived two devaluations and I’ll survive it, maybe even in the black.
                      6. +2
                        16 February 2014 22: 48
                        Apparently you "patriotically" keep your money in $$, so in the black!
                        But the working people, mainly from salary to salary, retired grandmothers, from retirement to retirement, and they still took 10% of their salary for 10 years, and now they pulled out as much as 20% from there! Bravo! To all workers "for the good"!
                      7. 0
                        16 February 2014 23: 00
                        Basically, what brings income.
                        instead of lying dead weight, last year I wanted to get rid of old cars, well, where if there is Lada da Deo. And my wife was worried that the clothes delivered in the fall did not sell out, they dared off the shelf in a couple of days, they didn’t raise the price. Hobby numismatics and I began to do this for the last 7 years.
                      8. +1
                        16 February 2014 22: 23
                        Well, they wanted the Taiga Union - get it in full, and soon they will sign documents on the EEC, if you don’t have enough mind to include the back one.
                      9. +2
                        16 February 2014 22: 31
                        A taiga union was needed to access the pipeline network and the railway.
                        It’s time to expand on the true Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan and build a grain terminal in Poti.
                      10. 0
                        16 February 2014 22: 37
                        I think everything will work out, the market has been shaken, manufacturers are stirring now. They promise to raise salaries. The devaluation, in principle, was long overdue, the ruble sank a little during the year, and the tenge stood still, so sooner or later, the tenge would have collapsed anyway.
                      11. +2
                        16 February 2014 22: 43
                        Quote: Andrey KZ
                        ... manufacturers are stirring now. They promise to raise salaries.

                        Do not expect. First they need to beat off 20%. Although officials and security officials tossed.
                      12. -1
                        16 February 2014 23: 06
                        Quote: Was Mammoth
                        Quote: Andrey KZ
                        ... manufacturers are stirring now. They promise to raise salaries.

                        Do not expect. First they need to beat off 20%. Although officials and security officials tossed.

                        Not the first and not the last shock devaluation will probably get better, though the first three devaluations were when there was no vehicle as it will be now. Our hands are now tied in customs and other matters.
                      13. +4
                        16 February 2014 23: 12
                        Quote: Semurg
                        Not the first and not the last shock devaluation will probably get better, though the first three devaluations were when there was no vehicle as it will be now. Our hands are now tied in customs and other matters.


                        The latest devaluation was associated with a fall in oil prices, the current objective reasons, as it were. Manufacturer support in my opinion bullshit excuse.
                      14. 0
                        16 February 2014 23: 23
                        Our exporters for the Expo construction site are loaded, and here they were given 20% tax hackney before tax payments. True, through prices, the whole of Kazakhstan is loaded on Expo laughing . Or maybe the NAS wants to include it in the back saying that the TS brought inflation and difficulties to Kazakhstan laughing
                      15. +2
                        17 February 2014 01: 27
                        Quote: Semurg
                        Or maybe the NAS wants to include it in the back saying that the TS brought inflation and difficulties to Kazakhstan

                        Evon maneuvers around EurAsEC evoke such thoughts fellow
                      16. The comment was deleted.
                      17. +1
                        17 February 2014 00: 18
                        You cannot live without optimism.
                      18. The comment was deleted.
                      19. The comment was deleted.
                      20. The comment was deleted.
                      21. The comment was deleted.
                      22. +3
                        16 February 2014 22: 40
                        It is necessary to improve the QUALITY of goods in Kazakhstan, then I will buy milk from local producers, and not "House in the village", from the locals (I tried everything) - my stomach screams: - "KARAUUUUUL", and milk from some manufacturers generally carries MANNESS that even a dog can drink did not. I’m just talking about milk, but you can give a bunch of examples.
                        So blame yourself, not the people of the country, that someone is NOT COMPETITIVE.
                        Manufacturers of these countries exported currency, without even leaving part of the margin in our banks.

                        And why should they leave you Margins? They, excuse me, work for themselves, and you - for yourself, so who is to blame for you that you have no margin? It is necessary to steal less, and salaries should be reduced (for myself), otherwise the difference between salary. managers and workers comes to astronomical figures. Local information flashed that in Almaty the average monthly salary was 185,5 thousand tenge! Yeah ... tell the teachers, doctors, workers that they get so much, they will laugh. I also have enough conscience to say that DEVALATION is for my good! Of course, the "servants" of the people do not have enough to buy expensive real estate "over the hill", to have rest there several times a year, to teach "patriotic" children in London and New York ...
            3. +3
              16 February 2014 21: 11
              Quote: Yerlan
              At the same time, they hypocritically convince us that this is also good for us!

              Today in Shymkent, in the Upper Market, products from food stocks were sold. Potato by 55 tenge, sugar-115. They threw a bone to the people, glossed over their eyes, the journalists left and the dealers all dragged themselves in bags. It’s disgusting to see who the war is and who the mother is close to.
              1. +2
                16 February 2014 21: 58
                Quote: Andrew KZ
                Quote: Yerlan
                At the same time, they hypocritically convince us that this is also good for us!

                Today in Shymkent, in the Upper Market, products from food stocks were sold. Potato by 55 tenge, sugar-115. They threw a bone to the people, glossed over their eyes, the journalists left and the dealers all dragged themselves in bags. It’s disgusting to see who the war is and who the mother is close to.

                Socialism, alas, ended in the yard of capitalism — where, according to Marx, there are no brakes for 300% profit.
              2. The comment was deleted.
          3. +1
            17 February 2014 18: 14
            Quote: Igor39
            The government deceived the people of Kazakhstan once again, they assured that there would be no devaluation, several times. Deposits, pensions, salaries decreased by 20% per day.

            In Russia, the same is almost 10% (it’s just not one-time as the Kyrgyz Republic), Belarus is next in line.
            Nothing can be done about the ties in the vehicle - all together, good and bad.
        2. ekzorsist
          +1
          16 February 2014 22: 34
          Oh what an economic essay.
          Well, seriously and honestly?
          The economy with industry and agriculture was simply profiled in exchange for the recognition of the "independence of Kazakhstan" and the creation of a "titular nation".
          Probably a long time ago they didn’t walk around villages and villages - Yerlan, huh?
          Look, take a walk with the people, talk, no, not with these official "farmers", but simple hard workers, as they say "from the plow" ... oh, how they will tell you a lot of euphonious things about independence, and about farming, and about education .. .. and they will not forget about lending and "subsidies", which the local akimushka distributes to "their own", but they will give it together - in chorus ...
          Once again I say - not verbiage and juggling should be dealt with (how many dough have already been thrown into bullshit - renaming cities, writing "new" textbooks .... and so forth ..), but WORK!
          Create and create! And do not lie and beg.
          And the nook in Kazakhstan will be ... and what kind ... it’s not possible to endlessly twist the spring ... someday it will burst. That is why Kazakhstan does not need a normal army, but it needs a hired army — the gendarmerie, policemen — whose function is not to protect external borders, but to protect the ruling class and its capital.
    3. avt
      +4
      16 February 2014 10: 05
      Quote: name
      Let it be “Cossack Eli”, if only the debts of Kazakhstan would not go away as in the case of bankruptcy ..

      request Well, let the Chinese have a headache about this - they are the main investors - Kazakhstan investors.
      Quote: predator.3
      As they say, it’s not built by you, and it’s not for you to rename it, it’s better to build a new street or city and call it what you want — what a fantasy!

      Well, here it is an itch under the guise of "historical justice" to be honest. Well, it would be fair to rename - they would return the old, historical, names in the city, but no, and then they cheat. Why not restore "historical justice" and rename the Moscow Metro as he was originally him, Lazar Koganovich, and ,, Semenovskaya "station in ,, Stalinskaya" and others will be returned to the name - ,, Shcherbakovskaya '' ,,, Zhdanovskaya ",,, Nogin Square" {By the way, Noginsk in Bogorodsk is in no hurry to rename Noginsk at once behind the roundabout}?
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        +13
        16 February 2014 10: 56
        It is interesting that Muscovites refused to rename the Almaty station in Moscow!
        1. avt
          +11
          16 February 2014 11: 08
          Quote: RK refugee
          It is interesting that Muscovites refused to rename the Almaty station in Moscow!

          request A new station, next to Almaatinskaya street, my friend lives there nearby and part of that area is called “Brateev“ Almaatinka ”- the name has taken root, the station lobby was made with elements in the style of“ 41st ”in memory of the fighters from Kazakhstan. That’s the only way Meadow and Gayev were in a hurry to hand over the station - the roof of one lobby at the exit began to flow in the rain, I saw it myself when I was driving to a friend.
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            +4
            16 February 2014 12: 20
            Sorry, I’m behind the train.
            1. avt
              +2
              16 February 2014 13: 14
              Quote: RK refugee
              Sorry, I’m behind the train.

              For what? It's just that the new stations were named there practically with reference to the ground names of the streets that had been located for a long time - exit Brateevo next to Brateevskaya street, Zyablikovo in the next district of the same name.
        2. +7
          16 February 2014 11: 22
          Quote: RK refugee
          It is interesting that Muscovites refused to rename the Almaty station in Moscow!

          It adds color. The city of St. Petersburg is the capital of the Leningrad region.
          1. avt
            +3
            16 February 2014 11: 31
            Quote: Setrac
            It adds color. The city of St. Petersburg is the capital of the Leningrad region.

            I do not agree. It’s quite a district of the city of Soviet and new buildings - there is a kilometer to the ring road. So it’s quite a name for itself that dates back to Soviet times with normal history.
          2. +3
            16 February 2014 11: 51
            Quote: Setrac
            It adds color. The city of St. Petersburg is the capital of the Leningrad region.


            Yekaterinburg is the capital of the Sverdlovsk region.
        3. +1
          16 February 2014 12: 25
          Quote: Refugee from RK
          It is interesting that Muscovites refused to rename the Almaty station in Moscow!


          Well, in vain. Spin it or not, but there is plenty to choose from, thank God.
      2. +1
        17 February 2014 18: 19
        Quote: avt
        Well, let the Chinese have a headache about this - they are the main investors - Kazakhstan investors


        You probably forgot a little about the vehicle. So, that is not only a Chinese headache. I would even say - not at all Chinese. After realizing that Ukraine cannot be seen in the TS, the bankruptcy (which certainly will not) of the RK is the collapse of the TS. Therefore, the money will come ... from Russia, but how else.
    4. Clegg
      +4
      16 February 2014 10: 20
      Quote: name
      Kazakhstan's external debt in January-September of the 2013 year increased from 136,925 billion to 147,965 billion

      Debt guaranteed by the state is not more than 5 percent, the rest is private sector debt. So I don’t see a particular problem.
      1. avt
        +6
        16 February 2014 10: 58
        Quote: Clegg

        Debt guaranteed by the state is not more than 5 percent, the rest is private sector debt. So I don’t see a particular problem.

        laughing Oh well . We have already filled up the bumps on this and now we are getting on the head. But your will is sovereign, learn from your mistakes. When the time comes to pay off the debts of the private sector and you will find out a lot of unexpected things, then you’ll tell. And then we’ll see how the lenders will be entitled to download about what you own land.
        1. Clegg
          -14
          16 February 2014 11: 04
          Quote: avt
          But your will is sovereign

          Of course

          Quote: avt
          learn from your mistakes.

          Maybe I’ll hurt you, but there’s nothing to learn from Russia over the past 20 years. So somehow we can handle it ourselves
          1. avt
            +12
            16 February 2014 11: 12
            Quote: Clegg
            Maybe I’ll hurt you, but there’s nothing to learn from Russia over the past 20 years.

            On offended carry water.
            Quote: Clegg
            So somehow we can handle it ourselves

            Well, God forbid, our wolf calves eat laughing I don’t know what kind of faith - but Pride is one of the most serious sins. But then again - ourselves with a mustache, if only then we would not have to rake, and the prospect is by no means virtual.
            1. Clegg
              -1
              16 February 2014 11: 14
              Quote: avt
              I don’t know what faith - but Pride is one of the most serious sins.

              I'm not a believer)))
              1. +8
                16 February 2014 11: 21
                Quote: Clegg
                I'm not a believer)))


                They all believe in something or in someone, especially when
                1. ekzorsist
                  +1
                  16 February 2014 22: 54
                  He can be seen from the "novovers" - those who only believe in Dollars.
              2. avt
                +10
                16 February 2014 11: 26
                Quote: Clegg
                I'm not a believer)))

                Atheism is also faith. For denial you need an object whose presence you deny.
                1. Clegg
                  +6
                  16 February 2014 11: 31
                  Quote: avt
                  Atheism is also faith. For denial you need an object that you deny.

                  I do not deny the existence of God, perhaps there is perhaps no. For me, this question is not so important.
                  1. +6
                    16 February 2014 11: 44
                    Well, as a small child - the question of who built the playground, the sandbox and poured sand there is not so important. Like a vegetable in a garden, it doesn’t matter who created his garden and planted it ... A vegetable does not deny the existence of a garden designer ....
                  2. +4
                    16 February 2014 12: 00
                    Quote: Clegg
                    I do not deny the existence of God, perhaps there is perhaps no. For me, this question is not so important.

                    -----------------------
                    This is a classic agnostic ... In principle, he does not care about the presence of God, but he does not deny his invisible presence ...
                    1. Clegg
                      +1
                      16 February 2014 12: 03
                      Quote: Altona
                      This is a classic agnostic ... In principle, he does not care about the presence of God, but he does not deny his invisible presence ...

                      This is bad?
                      1. +5
                        16 February 2014 12: 10
                        Quote: Clegg
                        This is bad?

                        ---------------------------
                        This is neither good nor bad, it’s just your attitude towards God ... We have freedom of conscience and the presence or absence of God in your soul is only your own business ...
                  3. FRIGATE2
                    +3
                    17 February 2014 18: 25
                    Quote: Clegg
                    I do not deny the existence of God, perhaps there is perhaps no. For me, this question is not so important.

                    You, dear, at first sight do not quite correspond to the term "atheist".

                    Why? Because, you are not yet sure that God is and you are not sure that he is not.

                    That is, simply put, you do not know. But as a literate person you see the poor to go to church and a mosque and pray, you consider it unreasonable to fast and other nonsense of religious people.

                    I have a friend such as he says "I believe in God, I do not believe in religion."

                    But an atheist, through logical thinking, and the search for causal relationships, comes to the choice that there really is no God and cannot exist, and atheists are right in this.

                    Atheism is now the same phenomenon as in the Middle Ages the concept that the Earth is round and revolves around the axis and the sun. People have denied this, and so what? after a couple of centuries it was discovered that the Earth is round.

                    and now atheists do not perceive, they deny God and divine creation. But some time will pass and many will doubt the religions.

                    It is just stupid people who write atheists as "unbelievers in religion"

                    Once again, atheism is neither religion nor faith at all. Atheism is the denial of God, that is, atheists do not believe that God does not exist, atheists know that God does not exist, these are two differences.

                    If you are the logical way, the mind came to the conclusion that God can not even exist, then boldly sign up for atheists.
                2. FRIGATE2
                  +2
                  17 February 2014 18: 08
                  Quote: avt
                  Atheism is also faith. For denial you need an object whose presence you deny.

                  Oh bye general, oh bye where did you study, what do you think in a childish way?
                  Have you thought it over yourself and came to the conclusion that atheism is faith? Or, as always in childhood, in youth, mom-dad, uncle-aunt, an acquaintance somewhere said that "atheism is faith"? or read the books of the rectors of the Russian Orthodox Church? how do they say that atheism is this belief?

                  Weakly think with your head and read the meaning of the origin of the word "ATHEISM" ??? than to listen to the opinions of elders and all saints?

                  Atheism comes from the Greek root "teo", which means God. The prefix "a" means a negative sign, as in Russian "not", "no", as in Latin "anti"

                  Accordingly, Atheism is translated as "Not God".
                  In which word from "Not God" did you find that it is "God" or faith?
              3. +3
                16 February 2014 11: 29
                Quote: Clegg
                I'm not a believer)))

                Militant National Atheist?
                I remember that.
          2. +11
            16 February 2014 12: 12
            Quote: Clegg
            Maybe I’ll hurt you, but there’s nothing to learn from Russia over the past 20 years.

            Russia rises, surrounded by enemies, betrayed by friends, with a destroyed economy. And you say there’s nothing to learn! You are right, merge to the West - here Russia is not your assistant and teacher.
          3. +7
            16 February 2014 12: 31
            Quote: Clegg
            Maybe I’ll hurt you, but there’s nothing to learn from Russia over the past 20 years. So somehow we can handle it ourselves

            --------------------------------
            What can you handle? Powerful Kazakh people will be able to withstand the small and weak Chinese people? ))))
            1. Clegg
              -16
              16 February 2014 12: 42
              Quote: Altona
              What can you handle? Powerful Kazakh people will be able to withstand the small and weak Chinese people?

              Either we can cope or disappear from the pages of history, it would be good if the Anglo-Saxons supported us. And so I do not see the difference between you and the Chinese.
              1. +7
                16 February 2014 12: 57
                With the Anglo-Saxons disappear faster. They originally ground your teeth before your entry into Russia.
              2. avt
                +8
                16 February 2014 13: 00
                Quote: Clegg
                it would be nice if we were supported by the Anglo-Saxons.

                laughing laughing "They will support" everyone will certainly, they will come out of Afghanistan "and" support "
                Quote: Clegg
                or disappear from the pages of history,

                Well, this is a pessimistic scenario, but, according to Gumilev, at best, you will go into a state of homeostasis, well, you will become a nomadic people as before. Don't believe me? Go on an excursion to Afghanistan, Iraq, but a hundred poods of this science will not be useful. It looks like a really brought up by some sort of "Dianetics" adherent of "classical universal human values ​​and rights." Not now, but over time, the realization will come that all this does not apply to you, if we are also "white natives" for them, then we have put a specific brand on you - Borat - Cohen, that's who you are for them. , teachers, for your money they will also lick you, the main thing is that the "learning" would enter the brain well, and this, judging by the statements, went well. Well, you can console yourself - we have enough of them, but they are already regaining consciousness That is why Shenderovich Svanidze are starting to fight in hysterics.
                1. Clegg
                  -1
                  16 February 2014 13: 35
                  Quote: avt
                  "They will support" everyone will certainly, they will come out of Afghanistan "and" support "

                  Afghanistan, along with Turkey and Iran, was a 3 Muslim country which was not colonized by European powers.
                  I happened to see pictures from Afghanistan before 1979 and after as heaven and hell. So do not blame the Americans for everything, you also participated in this.
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2014 13: 43
                    Quote: Clegg
                    So do not blame the Americans for everything, you also participated in this.

                    Afghans will not agree with you.
                    Quote: Clegg
                    Afghanistan, along with Turkey and Iran, was a 3 Muslim country which was not colonized by European powers.

                    Now Iran is the only independent Muslim country.
                  2. +5
                    16 February 2014 13: 48
                    Quote: Clegg
                    I happened to see pictures from Afghanistan before the 1979 year and after as heaven and hell


                    Pictures (photos?) From the State Department, probably? And what is paradise? There was no paradise there, according to the latest polls, the period of the Soviet occupation was recognized by the population of Afghanistan as the best time. By the way, watch the latest program of A. Pushkov "Postscript", there is a very interesting reportage on this topic.
                    1. Clegg
                      +2
                      16 February 2014 13: 53
                      Quote: RUSS
                      According to recent polls, the period of Soviet occupation was recognized as the best time for the people of Afghanistan.

                      Who conducted the survey?
                      1. +1
                        16 February 2014 14: 04
                        Quote: Clegg
                        Who conducted the survey?


                        In youtube "Postscript" from 15.02.2014
                      2. +3
                        16 February 2014 14: 09
                        Quote: RUSS
                        In youtube "Postscript" from 15.02.2014


                        Well, this is not serious.

                        Here is Afghanistan before the war.

                        http://politiko.ua/blogpost39377

                        http://zapilili.ru/category/kartinki/kabul-afganistan-do-voyny-1967g-30-foto-/

                        There are even girls in miniskirts.
                      3. +1
                        16 February 2014 14: 18
                        Quote: Zymran
                        There are even girls in miniskirts.


                        I saw these photos, what year of photos?
                      4. 0
                        16 February 2014 14: 19
                        On the second link 1967.
                      5. avt
                        +7
                        16 February 2014 15: 32
                        Quote: Zymran
                        On the second link 1967.

                        laughing Yes, after the expedition of Primakov's cavalry corps, after the Civil War, when they knocked out the Angle camp from there. Afghanistan was quite in excellent relations with the USSR, even sometimes better than with Yugoslavia, relations were quite in our orbit, and if it were not for the work on the collapse of the USSR carried out by SE his henchmen, there would be no revolution that suddenly emerged, and even more so the long stay of our troops there - they would have entered as before, established a friendly regime and left. Even Najibullah was betrayed by the Humpbacked and all-drunk EBN to the glory of “universal human values.” After all, he held out for two years until they refused to supply him with fuel and lubricants and spare parts for heavy equipment FOR MONEY.
                      6. 0
                        17 February 2014 18: 23
                        Quote: Zymran
                        There are even girls in miniskirts.

                        Quote: RUSS
                        I saw these photos, what year of photos?

                        Look at photographs of Iran in the 70s. The same miniskirts. Is this the same merit of the USSR?
                      7. 0
                        17 February 2014 18: 49
                        Quote: atalef
                        The same miniskirts. Is this the same merit of the USSR?

                        No, then Iran’s best friend tried. Israel. smile
                      8. The comment was deleted.
                      9. +2
                        16 February 2014 15: 11
                        These photos were also attributed to Iran. So, you can consider them, the same is not serious.
                      10. +2
                        16 February 2014 15: 26
                        Nevertheless, it is Afghanistan. In Iran, under the Shah, in principle, it was also.
                        Here is Iran http://bigpicture.ru/?p=279502
                        Here is Afghan http://bigpicture.ru/?p=70000
                      11. +1
                        16 February 2014 15: 35
                        A little about Afghanistan, about the fact that it was allegedly not conquered by anyone - this is MYTH, Afghanistan has been independent since August 19, 1919. Before that, whoever "conquered" him, there were minor times of his independence, and so basically he belonged to the ancient Iranians to the British in the 20th century.
                      12. +2
                        16 February 2014 14: 06
                        A film was shown yesterday or the day before, so the former field commanders and the current high-ranking majahideen leaders spoke of Shuravi very respectfully. As they say, nothing personal, they fought, but with Shuravi it ​​was better and they were Afghans and their customs and faith were respected.
                        And the cook of Aminovsky spoke well of Russians, such a cheerful little old man of a century. smile
                  3. avt
                    +3
                    16 February 2014 14: 49
                    [quote = Clegg] Afghanistan along with Turkey and Iran was a 3 Muslim country which was not colonized by European powers. [/ quote]
                    Before repeating the tales of the arrogant Saxons - read who, when and how did you go in there and what did you do there in a great historical perspective, well, take a look at the Afghans themselves. [quote = Clegg] I happened to see pictures from Afghanistan before 1979 and after as heaven and hell. So do not blame the Americans for everything, you also participated in this.
                    And the uncle professor invited from England showed pictures? Or look only what you want in the country where the fighting was really going on. If there was a desire, they would find living witnesses and participants of those events even in their homeland, and would also find out what and how much was built in the civilian sphere even during the war, and by the way, the border of the Russian Empire passed along the Salang, so that the Pamiris were a single people in the Empire, and this is a rather peculiar relationship with Ahmadshah in Pandshera. There, even after the order to bomb everything at the exit, which 3,14 ... He pushed the curators through Humpbacked, no one shot in the back. Well, about Iran, so before you again assert something about independence - read on the basis of which Iran was occupied by the Angles and the troops of the USSR, so that the central government did not even grunted and functioned normally , yes, in general there it was perceived quite calmly, as well as leaving after the end of World War II, although Stalin wanted to stir up the Big Commune there. static Azerbaijan ", but changed his mind.
                  4. +3
                    16 February 2014 17: 00
                    Quote: Clegg
                    Afghanistan, along with Turkey and Iran, was a 3 Muslim country which was not colonized by European powers.

                    ----------------------
                    And why is he selling colonial goods? Drugs, opiates are the most colonial commodity ... And about the "invincibility" of Afghanistan, I would argue, having a powerful financial, weapons and ideological pumping from the outside, putting 150-170 thousand soldiers in the form of 4000-5000 mobile units against our 60000-100000 expeditionary corps (40 army) ... Of course, this is a "clear" victory, to say nothing ...
                  5. +1
                    16 February 2014 21: 21
                    Quote: Clegg
                    I happened to see pictures from Afghanistan before the 1979 year and after as heaven and hell

                    Pictures can always be chosen to suit every taste, and any purpose.
                  6. ekzorsist
                    0
                    16 February 2014 23: 00
                    Quote: Clegg
                    I happened to see pictures from Afghanistan before 1979 and after as heaven and hell. So do not blame the Americans for everything, you also participated in this.

                    ... But really were you there? Before and after ...
                    If not, then do not drive the wave in vain!
              3. +6
                16 February 2014 13: 27
                Quote: Clegg
                Quote: Altona
                What can you handle? Powerful Kazakh people will be able to withstand the small and weak Chinese people?

                Either we can cope or disappear from the pages of history, it would be good if the Anglo-Saxons supported us.

                They will hold you ... for guzno ... with the subsequent liberal-tolerant transformations laughing
                1. Clegg
                  0
                  16 February 2014 13: 35
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  They will hold you ... for guzno ... with the subsequent liberal-tolerant transformations

                  Well, this does not concern you.
                  1. +4
                    16 February 2014 14: 09
                    Quote: Clegg
                    Well, this does not concern you.

                    You can clarify - who will understand?
                  2. +3
                    16 February 2014 15: 25
                    Well why not concern what You have 30% of the population there - Russians and Russian speakers. Yes, and relations between your sev.regions and Russia remained strong. If something comes over, the authorities will have to intervene, Russia has yet another hotbed of instability at hand, but nafig did not give up.
                    1. FRIGATE2
                      +1
                      17 February 2014 18: 46
                      Quote: pRofF
                      Well, why doesn’t it apply? You have 30% of the population there - Russians and Russian speakers. And the ties between your northern regions and Russia remained strong. If something brews - the authorities will have to intervene, Russia has another hotbed of instability at hand - nafig did not give up.

                      , Russia will understand for Kazakhstan. Give an example when Russia for any country j_p_ vomited?

                      If vomited j_p_ then this and that for personal purposes of Russia and security officials such as Putin.

                      Most Kazakhstani Russians will be dumped in Russia as soon as there is no stability in Kazakhstan, then when everyone calms down they will come and claim their rights and claims. If now Kazakhstani Russians leave for Resei leaving their citizenship and get Russian and go back to the KZ with a residence permit and live quietly as guest workers in Moscow, many under Russian law receive double citizenship.

                      Rather, the Russian Federation would pass a law abolishing dual citizenship.
                      1. 0
                        17 February 2014 19: 06
                        Quote: FRIGATE2
                        many under Russian law receive dual citizenship.

                        not tired of writing nonsense?
                        if you don’t know the principle of obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation by citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan, then better keep silent
                        Quote: FRIGATE2
                        Russia will understand for Kazakhstan. Give an example when Russia for any country j_p_ vomited?
                        well, if you went to school badly, then a couple of weather links will not
                      2. FRIGATE2
                        0
                        19 February 2014 01: 00
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Quote: FRIGATE2
                        many under Russian law receive dual citizenship.

                        not tired of writing nonsense?
                        if you don’t know the principle of obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation by citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan, then better keep silent
                        Quote: FRIGATE2
                        Russia will understand for Kazakhstan. Give an example when Russia for any country j_p_ vomited?
                        well, if you went to school badly, then a couple of weather links will not

                        Okay, I went over with dual citizenship, but I conveyed the meaning.
                        In my area / work since childhood, my acquaintances / neighbors / classmates Russians mostly went to Russia, received citizenship there, then back to the KZ and nothing worked with a residence permit.

                        And let's do it without sarcasm.

                        Did I read Fomenko?
                        I read two main books. in the very first, he spoke of how the great Russians built the pyramids in Egypt and also proved that the radiocarbon dating method is fantastic.

                        After these statements, I no longer took it seriously, but it was interesting to read a book as a fantasy, like Tolkien’s novels (I didn’t read it).
                        Only in Tolkien all sorts of orcs, fairies, gnomes build hordes and kingdoms for themselves, while in Fomenko the brave Russians build themselves the great pyramids of Egypt
              4. +7
                16 February 2014 16: 40
                Quote: Clegg
                Either we can cope or disappear from the pages of history, it would be good if the Anglo-Saxons supported us. And so I do not see the difference between you and the Chinese.

                ----------------------------
                So the Anglo-Saxons are already actively "helping" you ... I can paint the whole scenario or, as they say, a "roadmap":
                Point one: Breaking away from the main nation of the subethnos and pushing the Juche ideas into it with the slogans "we ourselves will cope without Moscow, be it tilki our own fat ists" ...
                Point two: Encouraging the creation of their own "camp" or "Finland" on loans from the IMF, the Soros Fund, nurturing a corrupt national bureaucracy. Also renaming, revision of vocabulary, toponymy, separation from the general cultural matrix ...
                Point three: Cultivation of separatism already in the national "independent" (from Russia) state, encouraging the fifth column, Maidan, Zhanaozen ...
                Point Four: Announcement of the Nazarbayev government as a "bloody regime of Elbasy", accusations of genocide against Russians, Germans, Ukrainians, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks. Recognition of the illegitimacy of the use of natural resources ... Recalling cooperation with the "bloody dictators" Putin and Lukashenko ... Drawing the image of a Kazakh as a savage cruel nomad, who cooks shurpa from the entrails of enemies, wrapped in foul-smelling sheep skins ...
                Point five: Convening of the UN Security Council on Kazakhstan, a no-fly zone, the introduction of interethnic forces with a 40th US Marine Corps led by ...A curtain...
                1. FRIGATE2
                  +1
                  17 February 2014 19: 17
                  Quote: Altona
                  So the Anglo-Saxons are already actively "helping" you ... I can paint the whole scenario or, as they say, a "roadmap":

                  Quote: Altona
                  Point one: Breaking away from the main nation of the subethnos and vtyuhivanie Juche ideas with the slogans "we can handle it ourselves without Moscow, if only our own fat is tilka".

                  Well, if, according to this logic, the Kazakhs will become Jones, Kevins, Arnolds, then why do the Yakuts, Chukchi, Tatars have Nikolai, Vladimir, Dmitri?
                  He can admit that the Russians are the same colonialists as the Anglo-Saxons, and not whine that no, we are not like that. "The Anglo-Saxons beat 5 times with a stick, and we are kind Russians and beat 4 times" this is your biased logic.

                  Quote: Altona
                  Point two: Encouraging the creation of their own "camp" or "Finland" on loans from the IMF, the Soros Fund, nurturing a corrupt national bureaucracy. Also renaming, revision of vocabulary, toponymy, separation from the general cultural matrix ...

                  You think utopia that you live in a country that does not take IMF loans, that your country is developed, that the undeveloped of England and the USA forever prevent Russia from developing further. In the USSR, Russians shouted that Central Asia and the Caucasus were preventing Russia and the Russians from developing as the United States and England. Well now we are not in the same country and who is stopping you from developing, improve education, science, destroy mosques and churches and build secular Russia, destroy bureaucrats and dictator Putin and build a democratic people's Russia and show all America how to build democracy, let them learn from you .

                  Quote: Altona
                  Point Three: Cultivating separatism already in the national "independent" (from Russia) state, encouraging the fifth column, Maidan, Zhanaozen ...

                  Zhanaozen is a rebellion of oil workers, not separatism. Why write if you don’t know?
                  If at work your boss Russian is lowered and you collectively rebel against him, then you think who the boss is and the boss is right, Putin and you rebel against his regime, then where is the national uprising? it will be a demand and not rebellion or separatism.

                  Quote: Altona
                  Point four: Declaration of the Nazarbayev government as a "bloody regime of Elbasy", accusations of genocide against Russians, Germans, Ukrainians, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks. Recognition of the illegitimacy of the use of natural resources ... Recalling cooperation with "bloody dictators" Putin and Lukashenko ... Drawing an image of a Kazakh as a savage cruel nomad who cooks shurpa from the entrails of enemies, wrapped in foul-smelling sheep skins ...

                  So I read different books. read the history of nomads from the Russians, read the version from Western historians.

                  It’s just that Western scholars and historians in no way describe the nomads that their culture is small or did not have a state and in the same spirit as in the Russian editions. One gets the feeling that in the USSR there was a systematic policy of extinguishing the national self-consciousness of small peoples by such opinions as yours. that savages and a yurt in the steppe.

                  What are you wasting time and life on this site? you will make an excellent science fiction writer. Start writing like Old Men books, I’m sure you will find a circle of readers and good money will be. then maybe like old people hating the west you will educate children in the west.
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2014 23: 12
                    Quote: FRIGATE2
                    What are you wasting time and life on this site? you will make an excellent science fiction writer. Start writing like Old Men books, I’m sure you will find a circle of readers and good money will be. then maybe like old people hating the west you will educate children in the west.

                    --------------------------
                    I wrote you a detailed comment, but the site mechanism did not miss it, considering it to be excessively long ... I will answer you separately, if someone is interested in reading them in the comments to this article. Thanks for the compliment on writing. Unfortunately, I am not always subject to inspiration and am not burdened by the cold cynicism of the surgeon, who requires writer's bread.
                    Threat. And why didn’t they blame my comment if they tried to oppose so deployed?
              5. +4
                16 February 2014 19: 14
                Quote: Clegg
                it would be nice if we were supported by the Anglo-Saxons

                and you know it really wouldn’t be bad, maybe steel has become better for Russians and Russians
              6. The comment was deleted.
              7. Dmitriy1975
                0
                19 February 2014 23: 06
                And you put matches into your eyes, you can see clearly.
            2. 0
              17 February 2014 11: 32
              And the BRITANS and the USA "will help them, as they have already" helped "many countries.
        2. +3
          17 February 2014 02: 43
          AVT, hello! The point is the investment policy (climate) of the state. We have an outflow / influx of investments in the range of 5-8 billion dollars. per year in positive territory. Even with the 2008 crisis, there was no strong outflow. For example, Chevron has invested about 10 billion (say) in the Tengiz field and has a 50% stake in it. What will he run away now? It wasn’t there. In turn, for example, in Kashagan, they lined up when Konako announced the withdrawal from the project. Hindus, Chinese, Europeans. The Chinese shipped for both their share and ours.
          In December, a metallurgical plant with the Russians was opened. I forgot the name, but this is your oligarch. He stated that he had never met such an attitude from the authorities on the implementation of this project.
          So here. The fact that the private sector (and this is usually the raw material projects) has been employed and that foreign direct investment has come to us does not greatly affect the ratings of Kazakhstan. By the way, they are not so bad.
          I, by the given examples, do not want to say that everything is fine with us. I even know where there are a lot of statements, but the business cat wept.
          When state. with a debt of 20-30 billion and with a GDP of 220 billion and gold and foreign exchange reserves of 100 billion, Kazakhstan feels confident.
          Clegg, hello! We just after the collapse of everything ... copied from Russia. There were no specialists in a market economy or writing their own legislation. In order to keep up with the Russian Federation in developing a market economy, the National Academy of Sciences adopted everything. Somewhere in 1998, he began some sort of action. hi
    5. rolik
      +3
      16 February 2014 12: 13
      Quote: name
      Let yourself be "Cossack Eli"

      Well, Nursultan got bored, he needs something to make fun of. The main thing is that we keep normal relations. Don't need a spaceport? building our own East. So again they began to talk about Russia not leaving Baikonur. And it is up to the people of Kazakhstan to decide whether they "ate" or "did not eat". This is their legal right.
      1. +2
        16 February 2014 13: 09
        Quote: rolik
        Well, Nursultan became bored, he had to make fun of something.


        To Turkmenbashi it is far to amuse himself laughing
        1. +2
          16 February 2014 13: 33
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: rolik
          Well, Nursultan became bored, he had to make fun of something.

          To Turkmenbashi it is far to amuse himself

          Green toad crushes - I want to get out of the shadow of the northern neighbor by any means laughing
          1. +1
            16 February 2014 18: 12
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: rolik
            Well, Nursultan became bored, he had to make fun of something.

            To Turkmenbashi it is far to amuse himself

            Green toad crushes - I want to get out of the shadow of the northern neighbor by any means laughing

            S. Niyazov was certainly a tyrant, but from Nazarbayev such ideas are certainly strange to hear.
      2. Crawl
        +3
        16 February 2014 15: 34
        I wonder, but for me, as a non-Kazakh, what is shining in the country with the name "Kazakh Norot"?
        1. +1
          16 February 2014 15: 47
          Quote: Crawl
          I wonder, but for me, as a non-Kazakh, what is shining in the country with the name "Kazakh Norot"?

          There is one forum member from Kazakhstan (or is it somehow different?), Who directly writes that he likes the methods of the Baltic "citizenization".
        2. -2
          16 February 2014 22: 35
          Quote: Crawl
          I wonder, but for me, as a non-Kazakh, what is shining in the country with the name "Kazakh Norot"?

          Now in the republic of the country of Kazakhs, the Republic of Kazakhstan, what is shining?
          1. Crawl
            +1
            17 February 2014 00: 26
            yes, taschemta, rainbow nichrome. life is like in a fairy tale: the further, the worse.
        3. The comment was deleted.
  3. +29
    16 February 2014 07: 15
    What do you call a yacht, will it sail? Well, of course, they invest more in Mongolia because of the lack of graduation. 100% That's Ukraine now renamed and that’s it, the political crisis is over. I envy the Kazakhs. Apparently, everything is so good in the country that renaming has remained the most important issue on the agenda.
    1. +5
      16 February 2014 11: 33
      I completely agree! As if there were no other problems in the country.
      1. +3
        16 February 2014 12: 29
        Quote: Yerlan
        I completely agree! As if there were no other problems in the country.


        There are also big ones. But excuse me, how else to keep you busy? Right! We play the game "Name the country". Then there will be other games. However, as elsewhere.
        1. +6
          16 February 2014 13: 32
          It's bad that the people are being led! On local forums, such a srach is bred, they already fight hysterically! Although for me, as in the old saying: "even call it a pot, just don't put it in the stove"
          1. 0
            16 February 2014 21: 43
            Quote: Yerlan
            It's bad that the people are being led! On local forums, such a srach is bred, they already fight hysterically! Although for me, as in the old saying: "even call it a pot, just don't put it in the stove"

            It is unlikely that the country will be renamed. The people, for the most part, are against. The rest do not care. Maybe they switched attention before devaluation?
          2. 0
            16 February 2014 21: 59
            I wonder why then they "ate" and not "eat"? Somehow it would be more logical. But in general, renaming does not lead to anything good. Well, the city, and then for some reason Dzhambul was renamed Taraz ... Dzhambul - Kazakh poet, why is he unworthy? Kyzylorda - isn't it Kazakh, is it Karaganda? And the streets ... the most interesting thing is that still in Dzhambul most of the streets are called according to the old name, even Kazakhs, although they have been renamed for 15 years already, and some streets have even been renamed twice) )) In short, in a joke, the cards are apparently reprinted.
          3. ekzorsist
            +1
            16 February 2014 23: 10
            Exactly ...
            Or maybe we’ll move the oncoming initiative, call -
            "Kazakh-universe" ... or more precisely "Khanate-NAS" ...
            Here, investments are sure to fall foolish !!!
            And most importantly, the Kazakhs will not have to work !!! Just sit shay, eat arak and consider tanga - beauty !!!
      2. Crawl
        +1
        16 February 2014 15: 34
        it will distract from more pressing topics
    2. +3
      16 February 2014 12: 39
      Quote: Tatarus
      That’s Ukraine now renamed and that’s it, the political crisis is over. I envy the Kazakhs. Apparently, everything is so good in the country that renaming has remained the most important issue on the agenda.

      ----------------------------
      A good idea by the way ... Centrovina, Centroevropina ... And the investments will simply crush Aivazovsky’s ninth wave ... fellow
  4. waisson
    +4
    16 February 2014 07: 32
    No matter what they were called, people would remain.
  5. +3
    16 February 2014 07: 33
    There will be a tendency to abolish the republic and introduce something like a monarchy, in general, all this for the hereditary transfer of power
    1. +7
      16 February 2014 11: 22
      Back to yurts is the right way, it’s easier there. Cities built by Russians should not be renamed; they should be demolished.
  6. +16
    16 February 2014 07: 39
    In connection with the awareness of the greatness of the "liberated people", not only settlements suddenly acquired allegedly historical names. Even the mountains, which were ordered to become higher, realized a new policy. In order to increase the "prestige" of the state, at least two significant peaks were raised to the desired level.
    The "colonialists" trampled on greatness in this too.
    1. +16
      16 February 2014 09: 02
      Quote: Humpty
      .In order to increase the "prestige" of the state to the desired level, at least two significant peaks were raised.

      Nazarbayev is still the goose wink Do you think he needs a Eurasian Union, which he was one of the first to talk about? Nothing like this. By the mercy of Humpbacked (marked Judas) and Borki the drunk, Kazakhstan got territories that had never belonged to him. He perfectly understands that Kazakhstan has got an illegal inheritance and it needs to be consolidated. From here grow the legs of his Eurasian Union and the desire to rename Kazakhstan the Country of Kazakhs. And later in "Nazarbayev ate" - the Country of Nazarbayev, as it is today. But we must give Nazarbayev his due. Well done, not like our neoliberals, who have made it a rule to master the minds of our citizens with their collaborationist ideas. But the time will come when he leaves the presidency and we will all witness an interesting story in the Country of Kazakhs.
      1. FRIGATE2
        -10
        16 February 2014 09: 39
        wai wai wai. A general with a children's worldview, then let's move 100 pieces of Russians to Gibraltar and say that there are more Russians and Gibraltar is our land
        1. +2
          16 February 2014 12: 31
          Quote: FRIGATE2
          wai wai wai. A general with a children's worldview, then let's move 100 pieces of Russians to Gibraltar and say that there are more Russians and Gibraltar is our land


          Can Ukrainians do the same? laughing
          1. rolik
            0
            16 February 2014 13: 59
            Quote: Safon
            Can Ukrainians do the same?

            They also relocate to Gibraltar ????
      2. +6
        16 February 2014 10: 20
        Quote: Tersky
        But the time will come when he will leave his presidency and we will all witness an interesting story in the Land of Kazakhs.


        If a new economic miracle (in a positive sense) does not happen in Kazakhstan, then an "interesting story" can begin under the current president as well.
        1. Crawl
          +2
          16 February 2014 15: 36
          will not happen. I guarantee it
      3. Veteran Vlad.
        0
        16 February 2014 10: 36
        Quote: Tersky
        But we must pay tribute to Nazarbayev. Well done, not like our neoliberals, who made it a rule to host in the minds of our citizens with their collaborative ideas

        Yes, you’re right for us to have such a NATIONALALLY-ORIENTED LEADER, otherwise these COPRADORIES HAVE BLOCKED OUT
        But with the name - it's THEIR PERSONAL CASE HOW TO NAME YOURSELF
    2. FRIGATE2
      -12
      16 February 2014 09: 50
      Quote: Humpty
      In connection with the realization of the greatness of the "liberated people" not only settlements suddenly acquired allegedly historical names. Even the mountains, which were ordered to rise higher, realized a new policy. In order to increase the "prestige" of the state to the desired level, at least two significant peaks were raised. "The colonialists. "and in this greatness was trampled upon.

      Hare infringe on the small peoples of the former USSR. Maybe you should just reconsider your Soviet views and look at history not from your point of view, but objectively and honestly ?.

      You are told that in Russia there was feudalism, that the Russian peasants were kept by slaves by the owners, so right away, we are good and this could not be, but if you look at all the literature of the 1700-1800s, landlords and serfs are described so completely.

      You are told that Rosh. empire, USSR - colonial empires, so you again, they say we are always good Russians and did it for you, where is the logic? If you discuss or argue with you, then always a one-goal game is obtained. You can score only at the gates of small nations, but you can’t score against Russians, we are good. Be honest and objective at least once and try to enter someone else’s skin at least once and look at it from your opponent’s side.

      If you are so kind, why aren’t you letting Tatarstan learn its language and do what they want with it?

      If so good, why in the USSR all schools for "small peoples" in Russian?
      1. +3
        16 February 2014 11: 26
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        You are told that Rosh. Empire, USSR - Colonial Empires

        You repeat, all questions have already been answered
        http://topwar.ru/39673-byli-li-u-rossii-kolonii-pozdnee-predislovie.html#comment
        -id-1949024
      2. +8
        16 February 2014 14: 02
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        If you are so kind, why aren’t you letting Tatarstan learn its language and do what they want with it?

        _________________________________

        Who doesn't give them what? Should I teach them their language?)) So I don't speak Chuvash either, although I live in Chuvashia ... Tatars always rattled in their native language, no one ever interfered with it ... And with the language they want, that's what they do ... Let them do it with the language, and with the rest of their paraphernalia ... So I went to Chelny 15 years ago on a business trip, in a UAZ-loaf, so even Russian flags were not hung there, only my own - orange - green ... There is no such state of Tatarstan, hammer it into your head! No, and never was, there is a republic within the Russian Federation ... The rest is all from the evil one. Tatars are descendants of the Volga Bulgars, not the Horde uluses. The Tatars, a people assimilated into the Russian nation, like many others, no one will offer them a better future, especially the separatists who naively hope for the oil of Almetyevsk and their own "cunning" ... Saddam and Gaddafi also hoped ... So don't shaggy apayka and babai !!
        * apayka wife
        * grandfather ...
    3. +12
      16 February 2014 10: 54
      Quote: Humpty
      "Colonizers" and in this trampled upon greatness


      An example, most importantly, a demonstration-Mongolia is chosen!
      For some reason, the Finns don’t bother, the self-name is Suomi, but in life Finland, as a derivative of the Swedish Finnmark and everything seems to be in order with debts, they don’t care that there is also Holland, Iceland, Greenland, because they are not such an "ancient state " laughinglike Kazakhstan laughing
  7. +13
    16 February 2014 07: 42
    And before that, all Russian place names were eliminated in Kazakhstan.
    Quote: Tatarus
    I envy the Kazakhs.

    And what about the Russians in Kazakhstan?
    1. Beck
      +3
      16 February 2014 10: 53
      Quote: demotivator
      And before that, all Russian place names were eliminated in Kazakhstan.


      Not all, don't overdo it.

      But in fact, in most cases, those names that were there from time immemorial were renamed. The water area of ​​the Caspian Sea and the place where the Ural River flows into it From time immemorial, the Kazakhs called Atyrau. Atyrau was also called the Caspian Sea itself. It was at this place that the merchant Guryev laid the prison, which later grew into a city and took the name Guryev. Subsequently, the Caspian became shallow and Guriev was not on the seashore, but simply on the river. Therefore, Guryev was renamed to Atyrau and so in many places.

      Akmolinsk - Tselinograd - Astana.
      Akmola - White grave, the area on which there was a white grave mazar. It was at this place that the Cossacks laid down their settlement. I foresee the smiles of the Urashniks, they say the Graves. But here is the difference in mentality. Kazakhs and Turks do not have fairy tales that bloodsuckers and ghouls crawl out of the graves. Graves are a holy place of tranquility of ancestors. And it’s wild to imagine that suddenly the grandfather becomes a vampire. So, in Soviet times, Akmola was renamed Tselinograd and no one in Kazakhstan yelled. And then they gave a new name to the new capital.

      But, those settlements that were laid by Russians in a bare place have retained their names so far - Pavlodar, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Semipalatinsk and more.

      And the renaming of the streets? So who needs in Transcaucasia, in Central Asia, in the Baltic streets - Communist, Krasnopartizanskie, Kalinisk, 11 international, Komsomol, etc. I admit - there is no limit to the agility of officials. In Almaty they renamed Cosmonauts Street, it was a memory of the birth of astronautics, of the first launch into space from the land of Kazakhstan. It’s good that Gagarin’s street was left.

      I am not a supporter of renaming KAZAKHSTAN. The word Stan of Iranian-speaking origin means the Earth, that is, Kazakhstan is the Land of the Kazakhs (Similar to Tatarstan, Uzbekistan). And the word Stan showed the history of the formation of modern Turkic peoples from the assimilation of ancient Turks with Indo-Europeans - Iranian-speaking Arians, once before the arrival of the Turks who inhabited the territory of Kazakhstan.

      Last thing. The author did not accurately translate the name ҚАЗАҚ ЕЛІ. This is not the Kazakh people. ELI is a birthplace, a small homeland, in a broader sense, the homeland. So, a more accurate translation is the homeland of the Kazakhs.
      1. +2
        16 February 2014 11: 07
        Quote: Beck
        So, a more accurate translation is the homeland of the Kazakhs.

        It also confused me, we also just thought the Cossacks gave a different meaning))
        1. Beck
          +3
          16 February 2014 11: 48
          Quote: Yeraz
          It also confused me, we also just thought the Cossacks gave a different meaning


          So where are we going from each other? We have the same root words - Spruce, Halyk, words of the account, etc.
      2. avt
        +4
        16 February 2014 11: 21
        Quote: Beck
        I am not a supporter of renaming KAZAKHSTAN.

        Nah! Give Cossack ate for elbasy! Here you rename - we require Peter to rename Putinburg. laughing
        1. +3
          16 February 2014 12: 35
          Quote: avt
          Quote: Beck
          I am not a supporter of renaming KAZAKHSTAN.

          Nah! Give Cossack ate for elbasy! Here you rename - we require Peter to rename Putinburg. laughing


          I don’t know how about Peter, but Sochi can definitely be renamed.
          1. avt
            +1
            16 February 2014 13: 20
            Quote: Safon
            I don’t know how about Peter, but Sochi can definitely be renamed.

            Yes easily! Let Lower Putinburg be, or New.
            1. rolik
              +1
              16 February 2014 14: 05
              Quote: avt
              Yes easily! Let Lower Putinburg be, or New.

              That is, as I understand it, what for there was something to build. You see, you know, the Sochi residents have been snickering. They have the sea, the sun, so they have also built all kinds of new sports facilities, new hotels. Why envy ??? move to those edges for permanent residence.
              1. +1
                16 February 2014 14: 21
                Quote: rolik
                Why envy ??? move to those edges for permanent residence.


                Soon the winter Universiade in Krasnoyarsk, maybe it's better to go there permanently?
              2. avt
                0
                16 February 2014 14: 31
                Quote: rolik
                You see, you know, the Sochi residents have been snickering. They have the sea, the sun, so they have also built all kinds of new sports facilities, new hotels. Why envy

                Come on, don’t you understand jokes?
                Quote: RUSS
                Soon the winter Universiade in Krasnoyarsk, maybe it's better to go there permanently?

                Well, there at one time a constituent congress like "United Russia" was held, now the party is headed by Prime Minister Medvedev - we will rename, in accordance with the location, in "Srednye MedvedI"! laughing
        2. +3
          16 February 2014 12: 36
          One incorrect translation of the word, please, go and go clarification of relations between Russia and Kazakhstan. Mr. Shustov, If you cannot correctly translate the word
          KAZAKH FIR, then what hangover generally wrote this article?

          The people, this is pure provocation and the Author acts as a provocateur.
          This translation cannot be called otherwise.
          1. rolik
            +5
            16 February 2014 14: 08
            Quote: lonely
            The people, this is pure provocation and the Author acts as a provocateur.

            Here it’s violet to me how the Kazakhs will call their country. Once again, this is their purely personal matter, they want to be called that, they want that way. The main thing is to adjoin normally. And then again they began to look for traces of the Masonic conspiracy in the Kazakh steppes))))))
            1. +2
              16 February 2014 14: 23
              Quote: rolik
              Here it’s violet to me how the Kazakhs will call their country. Once again, this is their purely personal matter, they want to be called that, they want that way. The main thing is to adjoin normally. And then again they began to look for traces of the Masonic conspiracy in the Kazakh steppes))))))


              Today, Sunday, almost everyone is at home, there are no particularly interesting articles today, so the discussion is heated, especially the topic is sensitive.
          2. +1
            17 February 2014 02: 53
            Omar, hi! There, the author refers to Erasyl Abylkasymov. This is such a political ... girl of easy virtue. There is a lot of such bias. Well renamed streets, schools, etc .. So what? I myself am not a supporter of all stupid renaming. But why dig in someone else's garden. There are Pushkin, and Tolstoy, and Shevchenko, and Gogol and other streets. And everyone knows who it is. And we live like peacefully, and young people give way to their elders in the bus, regardless of nationalities. hi
        3. +2
          16 February 2014 17: 57
          Quote: avt
          Here you rename - we require Peter to rename Putinburg.

          Thank you, we like the name St. Petersburg. Although in the version you proposed at the end of the word there is also a burg, but still Putinburg reminds me right away, some kind of fast food))
      3. +2
        16 February 2014 14: 18
        Quote: Beck
        Last thing. The author did not accurately translate the name ҚАЗАҚ ЕЛІ. This is not the Kazakh people. ELI is a birthplace, a small homeland, in a broader sense, the homeland. So, a more accurate translation is the homeland of the Kazakhs.

        ------------------------------------
        The Chuvash went through it ... Well, we called ourselves Chavashien, what has changed? All the same, in widespread use we are Chuvashia or the Chuvash Republic ... I don’t write on a postcard to Germany - the Russian Federation, Chavashien ... I am writing-Chuvash Republic ... Just like Germany I call Germany, not Deutschland or D ' Allemagne ... Meaning? Will we switch to digital codes in 10 years? Are we going to go crazy with numbers?
      4. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        0
        16 February 2014 16: 10
        Have you been in Astana for a long time? Until now, in the end, the streets of Schors, Chapaev, Mozhaysky, Zataevich, Pushkin cannot be counted at the sawmill as much as Herzen just do not remember. They removed Lenin Komsomolskaya, October everything in this style.
        1. +2
          16 February 2014 19: 27
          Quote: RK refugee
          Have you been in Astana for a long time? Until now, in the end, the streets of Schors, Chapaev, Mozhaysky, Zataevich, Pushkin cannot be counted at the sawmill as much as Herzen just do not remember. They removed Lenin Komsomolskaya, October everything in this style.



          Kazakh Armenians against renaming Mirzoyan street in Astana
          http://news.nur.kz/291593.html
        2. The comment was deleted.
      5. Beck
        0
        16 February 2014 16: 48
        Quote: Beck
        So, a more accurate translation is the homeland of the Kazakhs.


        And I did not translate it very accurately in my first comment. The exact translation is this.

        ҚAZҚ ЕЛІ - MOTHERLAND OF KAZAKHSTAN.

        And it is entirely possible that the author deliberately gave the wrong translation in order to stir up the deceived.
        1. +4
          16 February 2014 16: 54
          Quote: Beck
          ҚАЗАҚ ЕЛІ - MOTHER OF KAZAKHSTAN

          but let's not dissemble
          1. Beck
            0
            16 February 2014 17: 36
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            but let's not dissemble


            Why dissemble?

            In Kazakh, the word Kazakhstanis is not pronounced. A synonym for Kazakhs in Kazakh is қазақтар. Kazakhstani - Қазақ. And based on the grammar and vocabulary of the Kazakh language, the Motherland of Kazakhstanis will be so.
            1. +1
              16 February 2014 17: 45
              Quote: Beck
              In Kazakh, the word Kazakhstanis is not pronounced

              it’s not logical to translate as KAZAKHSTAN, and your Natsik translate just like Kazakhs and not Kazakhstanis
              1. +4
                17 February 2014 03: 03
                Hello Vladimir Why are you hooked on these Natsik. They are 0 here. No influence, neither in parliament nor in power. And if a representative of some state. Institutions will hurt you on nat. sign, then write to the prosecutor's office, to the Administration of Kab Min and the President, to Nur Otan and to the representative office of the RUSSIAN COMMUNITY of KAZAKHSTAN in the building of the Small Arena. Everything from work will be expelled with a period of non-admission of work in state. structure.
                It is simply not appropriate to constantly refer to them. We do not refer to the same in Russia. Or the party Tyagnibok in Ukraine. Natsik is Natsik and that's it. hi
                We are KAZAKHSTAN, and then Kazakh, Russian, etc.
                1. 0
                  17 February 2014 16: 33
                  Quote: Kasym
                  You will be offended by nat. sign, then write to the prosecutor's office, to the Administration of Kab Min and the President, to Nur Otan and to the representative office of the RUSSIAN COMMUNITY of KAZAKHSTAN in the building of the Small Arena.

                  you’ll be surprised wrote to the prosecutor’s office of the National Security Committee and the Ministry of Internal Affairs the last two did not answer the first one said that since this act is criminally punishable and I am not a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan, they can only accept the application from me if I personally come to the Republic of Kazakhstan
            2. The comment was deleted.
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. ekzorsist
          -1
          17 February 2014 22: 40
          Quote: Beck
          And I did not translate it very accurately in my first comment.

          Quote: Beck
          ҚAZAҚ ELI - THE KIND OF KAZAKHSTAN.

          ... Well, why lie then ???
          Everything was correctly translated, right!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GknMV4Y1mK8
          So the Natsik Kazakhs confirm this.
          That is - Nazism in Kazakhstan - is PROMISING! And do not (as already there) apache shag.
  8. +13
    16 February 2014 07: 46
    Many Russian-speaking people would leave, but nowhere. Russia with its resettlement program offers to go to the very .ope, some refuse the program and benefits, if only to go where they want. That's something like that.
    1. FRIGATE2
      -22
      16 February 2014 09: 33
      Quote: Igor39
      Many Russian-speaking people would leave, but nowhere. Russia with its resettlement program offers to go to the very .ope, some refuse the program and benefits, if only to go where they want. That's something like that.

      They will never leave for Russia, because in the Republic of Kazakhstan, they occupy the highest posts, deputies, akims, doctors, teachers, hold posts in Nur-Otan, etc. But the most interesting is that most of them with dual citizenship and children are taught in Tomsk, Omsk, etc.
      If you honestly look at the situation, then it is the Russians themselves in the Republic of Kazakhstan who are constantly boiling over, whether the people are like that, or the Soviet upbringing is to blame. And they are the ones who are building the Fifth Column in Kazakhstan, not wanting to go to Russia, because there they themselves will become the objects of ridicule of their own relatives and of course they will lose high posts and in the Russian Federation they will become "homeless".

      They know very well that the Russians are not waiting for them, and even hate calling them Kazakhs. But instead of recognizing Kazakhstan as their state, as well as other nations in Kazakhstan, they hate this state. Here, too, you will not understand why they want so much, maybe all these are echoes of the imperial past.

      This is the same as the British in Bengal, after the fall of the empire, they do not want to go to England, as they occupy good positions, but they also do not recognize India
      1. +10
        16 February 2014 09: 53
        Can a Russian frigate take part in the election of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan and take the highest public office in Kazakhstan? What should a Russian person do for this? To accept Islam, forget your native language and become a Kazakh?
        Please answer honestly these questions and maybe then you will understand why Russians in Kazakhstan will never love Kazakhstan. Of course, I may be exaggerating about Islam, but this is so far, because no one knows what the following requirements will be for the Russians there.
        1. +1
          16 February 2014 09: 59
          Quote: Smoke
          Can a Russian frigate take part in the election of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan and take the highest public office in Kazakhstan?

          Maybe the Russians hold top positions in the state.
          1. +2
            16 February 2014 10: 10
            I'm not talking about "higher positions", don't be cunning with me, in Kazakhstan there is only one top position - the President, all the others - mean nothing.
            1. +3
              16 February 2014 10: 14
              Quote: Smoke
              in Kazakhstan there is only one top position - this is the President, all the others - do not mean anything.

              Well then, we’ll be realistic. Under the law in Russia and in Kazakhstan, anyone can be president. But in reality in both countries it’s not so. In Russia, even the Russian Islamic faith will not be allowed to be not Russian. So, what claims can be to the Cossacks, when so themselves ??
              1. +7
                16 February 2014 10: 30
                Let’s be realistic, here’s a FACT: a Kazakh by nationality Oman Tuleyev participated in the election of the President of the Russian Federation, took roofing felts 4th roofing felts 5th place (I could be wrong here), at the moment he is the governor of the Kemerovo region. And what about Kazakhstan?
                1. +1
                  16 February 2014 10: 53
                  Quote: Smoke
                  And what about Kazakhstan?

                  But I wouldn’t take the first one and wouldn’t give it. In the Russian parliament, Russians are represented and I also saw Russian ministers.
                  Google see.
                  1. +5
                    16 February 2014 11: 12
                    I’ll tell you that Russians do not look primarily at nationality, but at deeds and spirit: if a person respects traditional Russian values, doesn’t interfere with Russians living as they are accustomed to, then they will elect not even Russian or Orthodox as President. I am impressed by Yevkurov, but I will not vote for him, not because he is Ingush, but simply because he "will not pull" such a position, as Tuleyev would not have. Tuleyev as a governor is not bad, very good, in his region new mines are opening and agriculture is growing and tourism is developing, the roads there are perhaps the best in Western Siberia. But he will not pull the presidency - he is too harsh and straightforward.
                    And what about Kazakhstan? I repeat my question
                2. +4
                  16 February 2014 15: 11
                  Yes, easily!)))
                  Here is just one ma-ah-ah ... petty such a request, not even a request, but a trifle not worth mentioning: let, for starters, possible candidates for the post of president of the Republic of Kazakhstan master Kazakh (state) language at the same level as - Aman Tuleev speaks Russian. And then, you yourself understand, it will be somehow absurd to look from the side when the president of the country cannot even bring to the attention of the majority of his fellow citizens.

                  Z.Y. Smoke, I understand your popol on Kazakh topics, but at least try to tear the template and not look as stupid again as ever. wink
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2014 16: 03
                    Excuse me, where can I learn the LITERARY Kazakh language? I didn’t hear something about this ...
                    There is English literary, there is German, there is Russian, but I don’t remember Kazakh something ..
                    And again, to the question of language, why is Russian not a state language? This is, after all, discrimination on language
                    1. +2
                      16 February 2014 16: 48
                      Are you sure you will draw the Kazakh literary language?
                      This is for you - do not suit the Internet. fellow
                      In order to understand the essence, it is not enough to know the Kazakh language, you need at least to live with my people for more than a dozen years and eat more than a pound of salt with it. Although, who knows. In short, go for it. To get started, read a few works of a small fraction of Kazakh poets, composers and writers. Maybe you will understand something:
                      Makhambet Utemisov, Shakarim Kudaiberdyuly, Zhayau Musa Bayzhanov, Serniyaz Zharylgasov, Suyunbai Aronuly, Birzhan-sal Kozhagulov, Akan Sere, Zhambul Zhabaev, Gaziz Fayzolla, Kenen Azerbaev, Abay Kunanbaul, Saken Seyen Seyf.

                      Later, the exam ....)))
                      1. -1
                        16 February 2014 17: 43
                        I know Russian classics, I only know within the framework of the school curriculum ...)) The scream on the Internet is also not for me, just when I see a lie, and on your part it was a lie that the Russian can run for President of Kazakhstan, I I am not silent, that’s all) And by the way, you still haven’t answered about the status of the Russian language in Kazakhstan, although of course, it’s better to ignore uncomfortable questions.
                        By the way, yes ... it seems that almost half or even more of the above authors wrote in Russian ... And as for the literary Kazakh language, I also don’t quite know, is it still there or isn’t there yet? And then about 3-4 years ago, with an edge of my ear I heard that you had a wild polemic in Kazakhstan about what the Kazakh language should be like: you have so many dialects of dialects ... and every dialect of the great and mighty Kazakh language claimed the right to be strictly correct and solely ideologically correct. Apparently riveted in a shurik.
                      2. +3
                        16 February 2014 18: 19
                        Smoke, what a habit you have to jump off the topic!
                        You asked a question:
                        Excuse me, where can I learn the LITERARY Kazakh language?

                        Based on what, I uploaded to you the names of individual authors who wrote exactly in the Kazakh LITERARY language!
                        And about uncomfortable questions ...
                        I, in my opinion, have already given a solution to this "problem" - the candidate must be multilingual. For example, I am more than confident that a candidate who speaks only the Kazakh language would also not be able to run for president of the Republic of Kazakhstan. And that now we need to start to fight in hysterics, shout that this is discrimination based on race, nationality and language?))))
                      3. -1
                        16 February 2014 18: 29
                        So the fact of the matter is that you yourself there first decide what the literary Kazakh language is, and then demand multilingualism. But about the multilingualism in relation to candidates for the President of Kazakhstan, I agree with you - that’s fair.
                      4. +2
                        16 February 2014 18: 40
                        Do not be confused! We don’t even have any problems with the literary language. Just the Kazakh language in this aspect is very rich. But with scientific and technical terminology, yes, there really are certain flaws.
                        Before trying to speculate on a language issue, it would not hurt you to familiarize yourself with the actual state of affairs.
                      5. 0
                        16 February 2014 19: 38
                        the fact is that I do not believe you) from I do not believe and that's it! Here, someone Marek laid out a bunch of statistics tons of photos about how everything is fine in Kazakhstan, about which international is flourishing in the great steppes .... but what happened?)
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X4Hp6RmvYI#t=16

                        how to trust you
                      6. +3
                        16 February 2014 20: 20
                        Christmas tree sticks, stop acting like a girl:
                        I believe, I don’t believe, I'm afraid you will deceive me, etc. etc.)))
                        You can believe in at least one thing. Namely, I am not going to persuade someone, the only thing I would like is for Russian speculations on the topic of interethnic communication in my country to be as few as possible. Training hamsters is easy. Just look, as if later it didn’t turn sideways. In Russia, and so is the growth of various kinds of fascist sentiments.

                        And as for the video, do you even know what this material is about?
                        The national question was one of the reasons for reaching ... the opposition leaders. Politics is a dirty business!
                        In short, past!
                      7. The comment was deleted.
                      8. -1
                        16 February 2014 19: 55
                        Quote: romb
                        Do not be confused! We don’t even have any problems with the literary language.

                        well, for the sake of truth, for the sake of the problem with the language, I myself observed the picture as in the publishing house of the Narkhoz, two Kazakh editors had just not beaten each other's faces because of how to spell
                      9. +1
                        16 February 2014 20: 24
                        A typical working moment: "Truth is born in an argument"
                      10. +3
                        16 February 2014 20: 35
                        they didn’t find the truth, but one of the torn off the collar.
                        and how many runs were allowed under the knife, when it suddenly turned out that the word was spelled wrong
                      11. ekzorsist
                        -1
                        17 February 2014 23: 27
                        Quote: romb
                        Based on what, I uploaded to you the names of individual authors who wrote exactly in the Kazakh LITERARY language!
                        And about uncomfortable questions ...
                        In my opinion, I have already given a solution to this "problem" - the candidate must be multilingual. For example, I am more than sure that a candidate who knows only the Kazakh language would also not be able to run for president of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

                        Well, about the language ... Kazakhs haven’t decided yet to the end ...
                        The cries, moans and groans continue, BUT while the first president is in power, no one (!!!), no one dares even doubt the correctness of HIS Kazakh language!
                        But discrimination on linguistic and religious grounds is still evident ... Recently, it seems that even with their own Muslims, Tatars, they managed to get into trouble ... because of the mosque ...
                        Well, for some reason, the Tatars do not want to go to the Kazakh mosque that has been built for big grandmothers - and it is expensive and noisy and the mullahs there are far from shining with goodness (according to the Tatars themselves), but go to their small mosque, where services can be held for more modest money and so on ... But all this for some time, until the question arises - "... why does this money, offerings and so on pass by OUR MOSQUE ???" ... and the squabble began!
                        So, no need to talk about "purity of thoughts" ...
                      12. +2
                        16 February 2014 18: 24
                        Quote: Smoke
                        because you have so many dialects of dialects .... and each dialect of the great and mighty Kazakh language claimed the right to be strictly correct and only ideologically correct. Apparently riveted in a shurik.


                        There are no dialects in the Kazakh language.
              2. +3
                16 February 2014 11: 07
                Quote: Yeraz
                By law, both in Russia and Kazakhstan


                Where is Kazakhstan? Maybe Kazahstan.
                The "editor" underlines you with a red line saying that there is no such word, if you want to please the Kazakhs, write on the Kazakh keyboard with their alphabet.
                1. Beck
                  +4
                  16 February 2014 16: 59
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Where is Kazakhstan? Maybe Kazahstan.


                  This is because of ignorance of the origin of the ethnonym. Kazakhs call themselves only Қазақ.

                  It’s in 30 years that the Russian estate of the Cossacks and the Turkic people of Kazakhs were not confused, the Soviet government and attributed to us at the end of the ethnonym instead of the letter Қ the letter X.

                  Therefore, in Russian you call us Kazakhs, we call ourselves қazaқ.
                2. 0
                  16 February 2014 18: 03
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Where is Kazakhstan? Maybe Kazahstan.

                  There is no Kazakstan. What you incorrectly know, well, that’s ...
                  Quote: RUSS
                  The "editor" underlines you with a red line saying that there is no such word, if you want to please the Kazakhs, write on the Kazakh keyboard with their alphabet.

                  So these are my problems, that the editor doesn’t know this ?? There is a name that the Cossacks themselves use. I always wondered why the Turks were their Cossacks, and they called the country of Kazakistan and did not understand it as a product of Russian education until the Cossacks explained. People should be called , as he calls himself, and not engage in fantasies.
                  1. +4
                    16 February 2014 18: 07
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    No Kazakstan. What you incorrectly know, well, that’s

                    I’m wondering why to instigate and cause negative, in Russian it is written KAZAХMILL
                    1. 0
                      16 February 2014 18: 37
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      I’m wondering why to instigate and cause negative, in Russian it is written KAZAKHSTAN

                      The question is met !!! Why a nation that calls itself one by one because of the desire or desire of others, I have to distort their name ??? Who are you to me ??? This is the same thing my friend’s name is Zhenya, and another American friend asks me to call Zhenya Dzheney. And I should spoil the correct because of nearness of someone ???
                      1. The comment was deleted.
                      2. 0
                        16 February 2014 18: 51
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Russia in Kazakh sounds completely different, but no one would even think to require the Kazakhs to write toponyms according to the rules of another language

                        Listen Cossack calls himself a Cossack and all !!!
                        the dispute is over.
                      3. +3
                        16 February 2014 18: 54
                        Do you write in Russian or Kazakh?
                      4. The comment was deleted.
                      5. +3
                        16 February 2014 18: 48
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        Why should a nation that calls itself one by one because of the desire or desire of others, should I distort their name ???

                        are you fooling around ?!
                        Russia in Kazakh sounds completely different, but no one would even think to require the Kazakhs to write toponyms according to the rules of another language
                        and if you ignorantly turned for an example to names and their sound in English (by the way the top of stupidity) then look for spelling interest in the spelling and transcription of Polish names and surnames
                  2. The comment was deleted.
                  3. +3
                    16 February 2014 18: 20
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    So these are my problems, that the editor doesn’t know this ?? There is a name that the Cossacks themselves use. I always wondered why the Turks were their Cossacks, and they called the country of Kazakistan and did not understand it as a product of Russian education until the Cossacks explained. People should be called how is he himself
                    called, and not engage in fantasies.


                    If I understand you correctly, then from today on, write the names of countries and nations by their self-name and their alphabet, such as the example of England (England) and the population english (English), right? Or does this only apply to Turkic-speaking states?
                    1. 0
                      16 February 2014 18: 44
                      Quote: RUSS
                      If I understand you correctly, then from today on, write the names of countries and nations by their self-name and their alphabet, such as the example of England (England) and the population english (English), right? Or does this only apply to Turkic-speaking states?

                      This applies to those whom I know for sure. If it turns out that the Englishman is annoying or the name I pronounce will be incorrect, I will pronounce it differently. For me, as a representative of Azerbaijan, who have been persistently called Tatars for more than a century, this is important. And if the nation calls itself differently says that this is right, then I will be on the side of the carrier.
                      This is the same as the Kyrgyz expressed their dissatisfaction with what I call them Kyrgyzstan.
                      1. +3
                        16 February 2014 18: 50
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        If it turns out that the Englishman is annoying or the name I pronounce is incorrect, I will pronounce it differently

                        and so it strains Russians
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        And if the nation calls itself differently and says that this is right, then I will be on the side of the carrier.

                        when do you require Kazakhs to write Kazakh in Russian instead of Resay? !!!!!
                      2. -2
                        16 February 2014 20: 43
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        when do you require Kazakhs to write Kazakh in Russian instead of Resay? !!!!!

                        And what do I need to demand from them ?? This is everyone’s business. I think it’s right for me how to write, but I didn’t force you to write KazAK, but you demand from me.
                        Personally, you can demand from me how to write correctly, but from what hangover should I demand from the Cossacks ?? Moreover, they use Russia in communication here, I personally have never seen anything else. And I write here Russia, and not Azeri .
                      3. +1
                        16 February 2014 20: 47
                        Once again, write in Russian, do not like it, do not communicate with the Russians
                      4. -1
                        16 February 2014 21: 01
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Once again, write in Russian, do not like it, do not communicate with the Russians

                        good bye fellow
          2. +2
            16 February 2014 11: 27
            Name someone from a senior position.
          3. Beck
            +2
            16 February 2014 11: 28
            Quote: Yeraz
            Maybe the Russians hold top positions in the state.


            Tereshchenko S.A. - First Prime Minister of independent Kazakhstan.

            Bozhko Vladimir Karpovich - Minister for Emergency Situations of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

            Lepekhin I.V. - Chairman of the Administrative Police Committee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            Elections A.N. - Chairman of the Committee on the fight against drug trafficking of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            Sher Raisa Petrovna - Chairman of the Committee on the Protection of Children's Rights of the Ministry of Education and Science of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            Galiev Vladislav Germanovich - Chairman of the Committee for Construction Affairs of the MPR of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

            Akims of regions at different times; Lavrienko, Desyatnik, Mette, Khrapunov, Nefedov, Knyazev, Novikov, Hartman, Smirnov, Chernov, Kulagin, Brynkin.

            Akims of districts and towns will not be enough to list places.
            1. +5
              16 February 2014 11: 33
              One Minister, and then in our Minister of the Ministry of Emergencies, who has no political influence in the country at all ... the rest of the Chairmen of the Committees, there’s nothing to talk about.
              1. Beck
                0
                16 February 2014 12: 30
                Quote: Smoke
                One Minister, and then in our Minister of the Ministry of Emergencies, who has no political influence in the country at all ... the rest of the Chairmen of the Committees, there’s nothing to talk about.


                If there is nothing to talk about, be silent. And then - You have no one. When you bring the facts - Yes it’s not that, there is no influence, etc. nonsense. In your government, too, one Shoigu was the Minister of Emergency Situations, now the Minister of Defense. It is possible that Bozhko will grow to the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
                1. +3
                  16 February 2014 12: 49
                  what does Shoigu have to do with it? I don’t understand at all) And the fact that the chairman of some committee, especially on children's rights, now it turns out to be one of the TOP government posts, it turned out to be REVENUS thanks, I was pleased to write more)))
              2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
                0
                16 February 2014 16: 13
                Yes, now everyone knows how you received the application for refugee status in the FMS!
            2. +4
              16 February 2014 11: 40
              Akims of the regions are not Russian now.
        2. Clegg
          -1
          16 February 2014 10: 23
          Quote: Smoke
          Can a Russian frigate take part in the election of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan and take the highest public office in Kazakhstan?

          Any citizen if he knows the state language and if he wins the elections (although they are now non-democratic, however, as in Russia), it is quite possible.
          1. +14
            16 February 2014 10: 41
            so we come to the question of language, answer why Russian is not a state language in Kazakhstan? Why does the constitution stipulate that Kazakhstan is the country of the Kazakh nation and only, and where are the other nations? Or Kazakhstan developed - only Kazakhs built? For some reason, in Kyrgyzstan they were able to pay tribute to the Russian contribution to the development of Kyrgyzstan - there, along with Kyrgyz, the Russian language is the state language, and therefore there are no complaints to Kyrgyzstan at all, there really is a Russian legal opportunity to be elected to any top post. In Kazakhstan, this is not possible due to language discrimination. In Kazakhstan, any Russian who is at any post feels like a temporary worker, because he understands that he can be removed at any time due to insufficient knowledge of the Kazakh language - do you want such workers to work in good faith? To such citizens love their homeland?
            1. Clegg
              -1
              16 February 2014 10: 51
              Quote: Smoke
              Why does the constitution stipulate that Kazakhstan is the country of the Kazakh nation and only, and where are the other nations?

              False
              “We, the people of Kazakhstan, united by a common historical destiny, building statehood on the primordial Kazakh land, recognizing ourselves as a peaceful civil society, committed to the ideals of freedom, equality and harmony, wishing to take a worthy place in the world community, recognizing our high responsibility to present and future generations, proceeding from our sovereign right, we accept this Constitution. ”
              This is how the Constitution of the Republic of Kazakhstan adopted on 30.08.95 begins.

              All people, regardless of ethnic and religious origin, have equal civil rights, but this state is built on the original Kazakh land and the whole point. The official language is Kazakh. I will be against any second language, be it Russian or English, etc.
              1. +7
                16 February 2014 11: 03
                BASES OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM:

                First: the Republic of Kazakhstan (Kazakhstan) - a democratic, secular and unitary state.
                The Republic of Kazakhstan as a form of statehood of the self-determined Kazakh nation provides equal rights to all its citizens.

                1993 Constitution Now legally lost its power, BUT state power acts in the same spirit.
                In the current constitution in article 7, only the Kazakh language is the state language.

                And as for the language .... well, people like you will have to tear up a belt to start with, or you’ve imagined too much about yourself, and then we’ll talk to someone in Kazastan what rights and whose land this is in truth. All point.
                1. Clegg
                  +1
                  16 February 2014 11: 12
                  Quote: Smoke
                  First: the Republic of Kazakhstan (Kazakhstan) - a democratic, secular and unitary state.
                  The Republic of Kazakhstan as a form of statehood of the self-determined Kazakh nation provides equal rights to all its citizens.

                  1993 Constitution Now legally lost its power, BUT state power acts in the same spirit.
                  In the current constitution in article 7, only the Kazakh language is the state language.

                  So they changed this Constitution, what is the problem?

                  Quote: Smoke
                  And about the language .... well, people like you will have to get a belt to start,

                  laughing You are not mistaken on the site?)))))))))
                  1. +5
                    16 February 2014 11: 28
                    with a belt like the eldest brother of a family-friendly younger brother without a hut, we’ll flush the brains of young Natsik people like you, accept the normal fair constitution, make Russians in Kazakhstan full citizens with all possibilities, and then we will live together normally like brothers - one for all and all for one. Well, if you don’t want good, then you’ll have bad: Kzyl Horde, Chimkent and Dzhambul - this is where your current constitution will operate, and the rest of the territory will be for normal people and Russians and Kazakhs - in a single state.
                    1. Clegg
                      -1
                      16 February 2014 11: 34
                      Quote: Smoke
                      . Well, if you don’t want the good, then well, the bad:

                      Wait and see)
                      1. +3
                        16 February 2014 11: 45
                        Adays with oil will definitely want to live independently soon.
                      2. Clegg
                        +2
                        16 February 2014 11: 50
                        Quote: Igor39
                        Adays with oil will definitely want to live independently soon.

                        Did you communicate with them? Where does this statement come from?
                    2. Veteran Vlad.
                      +2
                      16 February 2014 12: 12
                      Quote: Smoke
                      with a belt, like the eldest brother of a younger family member without litter from the hut, we’ll cleanse the brains of people like you young Natsik, accept the normal fair constitution, make Russians in Kazakhstan full citizens with all the possibilities

                      Well, what you say, it’s impossible. Smoke just needs to change the colonial oligarchic power in Our country and put in nationally oriented rulers and take all the Russians from the CIS countries and that’s all. And to behave in relation to the CIS countries in the same way as they are on an equal footing with us. And then we put pressure on some countries and they put pressure on us. You just need to be pragmatic without any statements about brotherhood and friendship. For Putin, for the sake of domination in the vastness of the CIS, he fulfills all the requirements of some CIS countries
                      1. Clegg
                        +2
                        16 February 2014 12: 22
                        Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                        Well, what you say, it’s impossible. Smoke just needs to change the colonial oligarchic power in Our country and put in nationally oriented rulers and take all the Russians from the CIS countries and that’s all. And to behave in relation to the CIS countries in the same way as they are on an equal footing with us. And then we put pressure on some countries and they put pressure on us. You just need to be pragmatic without any statements about brotherhood and friendship. For Putin, for the sake of domination in the vastness of the CIS, he fulfills all the requirements of some CIS countries

                        I absolutely agree with you, only pragmatism in our relations and nothing more. I am sure we will find a common language without any TS / CSTO there. We will not spoil you, and you will not climb to us. What do you think?
                      2. Veteran Vlad.
                        +4
                        16 February 2014 12: 31
                        Quote: Clegg
                        What do you think?

                        I think so. I fully agree with you
              2. +1
                16 February 2014 11: 31
                Quote: Clegg
                all point

                All of your "and point" somehow imperceptibly merged into an ellipsis. This is your "point" and your most powerful argument.
              3. +3
                16 February 2014 14: 51
                Quote: Clegg
                All people, regardless of ethnic and religious origin, have equal civil rights, but this state is built on the original Kazakh land and the whole point. The official language is Kazakh. I will be against any second language, be it Russian or English, etc.

                -----------------------
                Duc and Russian athletes in the team do not take ... Sami master all sports ...
                1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
                  -4
                  16 February 2014 16: 15
                  And you are Caucasians!
              4. +5
                16 February 2014 15: 16
                Quote: Clegg
                We, the people of Kazakhstan, united by a common historical destiny ... This is how the Constitution of the Republic of Kazakhstan adopted on 30.08.95 begins


                and this is how they write on an Internet resource published with the support of the Presidential Foundation

                The main Kazakh language is to give birth to more Kazakhs, Kazakh spruce and Manglik spruce.
                And as for work, here we will expel all Russians, how many jobs will be vacated. Join your mother in the struggle for the Kazakh language. Russian speakers take your jobs!


                but so to speak
                1. -7
                  16 February 2014 16: 17
                  this is all not true, in Kazakhstan there is no such thing. it is the Russians who come up with the fifth column.
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2014 16: 30
                    Quote: TS3sta3
                    this is all not true, in Kazakhstan there is no such thing. it is the Russians who come up with the fifth column.

                    you accused me of lying ?!
                    I cooked up a video or came up with a quote?
                    1. 0
                      16 February 2014 16: 35
                      That was sarcasm. I am Russian.
                      1. 0
                        16 February 2014 16: 39
                        then somehow designate it and then dash what you might think hi
                      2. 0
                        16 February 2014 16: 56
                        then, it would not be so obvious.
                      3. The comment was deleted.
                2. +3
                  16 February 2014 17: 21
                  ahahaha)) I look forward to how the local forum Kazakh Natsik comment on this video ...))
                  one thing pleases that, judging by the video of adequate normal Kazakhs, the majority is still the majority, which means that everything is still not lost both for Russians in Kazakhstan and for the Kazakhs themselves ... well, we will deal with these trotters))
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                  2. +2
                    16 February 2014 17: 28
                    Quote: Smoke
                    one thing is good, judging by the video of adequate normal Kazakhs, nevertheless the majority

                    the problem in today's education and propaganda in the Republic of Kazakhstan
            2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
              0
              16 February 2014 11: 27
              Give an excerpt from the Kazakh Constitution where it is written!
        3. ekzorsist
          -1
          17 February 2014 23: 10
          Quote: Smoke
          Can a Russian frigate take part in the election of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan and take the highest public office in Kazakhstan? What should a Russian person do for this? To accept Islam, forget your native language and become a Kazakh?
          Please answer honestly these questions and maybe then you will understand why Russians in Kazakhstan will never love Kazakhstan. Of course, I may be exaggerating about Islam, but this is so far, because no one knows what the following requirements will be for the Russians there.

          ... I will answer for him - even though the Russian is a Kazakhstani from birth ... he will never be the president of Kazakhstan!
      2. +3
        16 February 2014 10: 04
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        But the most interesting is that most of them with dual citizenship and children are taught in Tomsk, Omsk, etc.
        "According to the requirement of Art. 21 of the Law" On
        citizenship of the Republic of Kazakhstan ", a person who is a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan and has acquired the citizenship of a foreign state is obliged to inform within three working days about the fact of acquiring foreign citizenship and to hand over a passport and (or) identity card of the Republic of Kazakhstan to the internal affairs bodies or foreign institutions of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Republic of Kazakhstan"
        Read more: http://news.nur.kz/262926.html
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        in the Republic of Kazakhstan, they occupy the highest posts, deputies, akims, doctors, teachers, hold posts in Nur-Otan, etc.

        Lie, but know the measure. Look funny.
        1. FRIGATE2
          -13
          16 February 2014 10: 31
          Quote: novobranets
          Lie, but know the measure. Look funny.

          where am I lying?

          Is it not true that Russians primarily educate children in the Russian Federation?
          Is it not true that they live in a suitcase mentality? in Russia they are not needed, they will be homeless there, but here they consider themselves above all the peoples of Kazakhstan in practice.
          God forbid if you go to get a job for a Russian employer, in addition to professional questions, he will ask unnecessary national questions
        2. Beck
          +2
          16 February 2014 11: 35
          Quote: novobranets
          Lie, but know the measure. Look funny.


          Now you yourself look funny, like on an avatar. See my top comment.
      3. Veteran Vlad.
        +5
        16 February 2014 10: 23
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        They know very well that the Russians are not waiting for them, and even hate calling them Kazakhs. But instead of recognizing Kazakhstan as their state, as well as other nations in Kazakhstan, they hate this state. Here, too, you will not understand why they want so much, maybe all these are echoes of the imperial past.

        Quote: FRIGATE2
        If you honestly look at the situation, then it is the Russians themselves in the Republic of Kazakhstan who are constantly boiling over, whether the people are like that, or the Soviet upbringing is to blame. And they are the ones who are building the Fifth Column in Kazakhstan, not wanting to go to Russia, because there they themselves will become the objects of ridicule of their own relatives and of course they will lose high posts and in the Russian Federation they will become "homeless".

        Your reasoning and comments are very STUPID
      4. -5
        16 February 2014 10: 59
        would you go, fascist face.
        1. Veteran Vlad.
          +3
          16 February 2014 11: 21
          Quote: TS3sta3
          would you go, fascist face.

          I do not want
          1. -4
            16 February 2014 11: 34
            smotori to whom it is addressed
        2. Clegg
          +4
          16 February 2014 11: 26
          Quote: TS3sta3
          would you go, fascist face.

          Who authorized you will determine who will participate in the discussion and who will not? Habits from the Soviet past?
          1. +1
            16 February 2014 11: 37
            why discussion, again no evidence, one nonsense and incitement.
        3. Veteran Vlad.
          +2
          16 February 2014 11: 26
          Quote: TS3sta3
          would you go, fascist face.

          Well, of course, the FASCIST Muzzle and Natsik, of course, after all, I dared to make a comment and object, of course, I am the Fascist Muzzle and what Fascist
          TS3sta3 - Please report to the Hague Tribunal or UN
      5. Kostjan
        +5
        16 February 2014 15: 46
        I don’t know what hole you are from if you don’t know that far from all the posts you listed are held by Russian-speaking citizens. Most likely you are offended by someone you do not deserve. On this, speak badly about Russian-speaking. I also met such. Today, in all the posts you have listed, 15% of the Russian-speaking languages ​​are strong, the rest are Kazakhs and this is in Almaty, and I'm not talking about the rest of the south where there are almost no Russian-speakers left. He worked at a construction site and had to communicate with different people. And made a conclusion. The only fifth column in Kazakhstan is the Kazakhs themselves with their zhuzes. And about Russia, I’m just selling a house and going somewhere to Voronezh. For I am afraid that my children will lose their great culture.
      6. +5
        16 February 2014 16: 58
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        They will never leave for Russia, because in the Republic of Kazakhstan, they occupy the highest posts, deputies, akims, doctors, teachers, hold posts in Nur-Otan, etc. But the most interesting is that most of them with dual citizenship and children are taught in Tomsk, Omsk, etc.

        firstly not respected in the Republic of Kazakhstan is not dual citizenship so that you are lying.
        secondly, children are taught in Russia with the aim that the children stay wherever possible
        Well, thirdly, you would spit a face
      7. The comment was deleted.
      8. ekzorsist
        +1
        17 February 2014 23: 08
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        They will never leave for Russia,

        Quote: FRIGATE2
        To be honest with the situation, it’s just that the Russians themselves in Kazakhstan are boiling

        ... Well, if you really want to look so honestly, look - why should I leave the Russian native Russian lands, which for some unknown reason seemed to give to the Kazakhs, although there is no official act of seizing the lands from the Russian Federation in favor of Kazakhstan? ... There were some conditional, internal borders within the USSR, but ...? and all? These are not state borders.
        My ancestors lie here and have done a thousand times more to defend the borders of Russia than all the Kazakh zhuzes combined to defend "their" homeland ... It's funny, but even in the textbooks of the modern school curriculum (read, read) there is an interpretation of the boundaries of the "Kazakh states "in antiquity, something like that -" ... but the Kazakhs did not need borders, where we put a yurt - our land is there ... we are nomadic people, here today, tomorrow - there ... and so on ... "and this is how the teachers explain it to the children.
        I could still add ... BUT, I can smell the natspat from kazax-edi just drooling over here.
        Although if there would be a clear and distinct repatriation program in Russia, or whatever, it doesn’t matter, at least as Kazakhs dragged oral mans to themselves ... then I would be sorry, and I would not be left alone, but perhaps very, very a lot ... it's just that everyone is already tired of this titular national debibism squared.
        But! If there is no support from Russia or something else, then ... we won’t get used to anything, we’ll have to, we will stand our ground ...
    2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      -1
      16 February 2014 11: 25
      Here the fun begins! This is an application for recognition of the status of an internally displaced person, where the traveler is obliged to indicate this in clause 12:

      12. Indicate the reasons why you and your family members left (intend to leave) their former place of permanent residence. Give the facts of the violence or harassment in other forms committed against you or your family members or a real danger of being persecuted on the grounds and circumstances specified in art. 1 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. You can attach any available documents confirming this to the application.

      Then the traveler is forced to come up with facts of oppression and prosecution from the ceiling!
      If these facts do not exist and the application is filled out in a form, the refusal automatically comes, and you already live in Russia with your property and are removed from all accounts in the Republic of Kazakhstan! What do you think? So it remains to come up with stories about the evil Kazakhs who steal children, cut and rape Russians on the street, fire them for being Russian! ALL THIS LIE I KNOW ALONG AND CROSS!
      There is one more point according to the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. There are restrictions on the ownership of property if you wish to receive this status, which means that if you no longer receive this status in the FMS!
      I read an article on VO why the majority of those who did not take advantage of this program, by the way there, women on the video talked about bureaucracy in the FMS regarding them and other tales that their Kazakhs supposedly steal children from Russians (dog nonsense, because there are mothers of cuckoos like so Kazakh enough). IT IS TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH: Most of those who did not take advantage of this program because they are not any refugees, ARE LEAVING SIMPLY FOR THEIR MOTHERLAND, WHERE THE PARTY CALLED FROM.
      1. +1
        16 February 2014 19: 04
        ) Well, then they are running away from your wonderful Kazakhstan?
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. +5
        16 February 2014 19: 40
        Quote: RK refugee
        Then the traveler is forced to come up with facts of oppression and prosecution from the ceiling!

        I moved under the resettlement program, but ...
        most Russians leaving RK were forced to leave due to pressure
        when you hear rudeness every day, when they can be told to you in the state structure that no one has called you here, when you read Kazakh Internet resources, you will not think about leaving Kazakhstan. My ancestors came to the land of Kazakhstan more than 150 years ago, they built the city in which I was born and one and a half centuries later, some say to me that this is not my land that I can only do what I am allowed to, do you think I am an internally displaced person or not ?
  9. -9
    16 February 2014 07: 47
    Well done El is a Turkic name, which is correct, all Turkic countries should abandon an alien camp.
    I hope that at least the discontent of the Russians will not turn on, the camp or El should in theory be on the drum.
    1. +17
      16 February 2014 07: 57
      When not everything is in order in the Danish kingdom, then they raise some kind of nationally preoccupied little idea for the delight of marginalized people.
      1. +4
        16 February 2014 10: 39
        Quote: Humpty
        When not everything is in order in the Danish kingdom, then they raise some kind of nationally preoccupied little idea for the delight of marginalized people.


        It's a shame for the Kazakhs, that they go in many ways along the way with the Balts .....
    2. +12
      16 February 2014 09: 20
      Quote: Yeraz
      Well done El is a Turkic name, which is correct, all Turkic countries should abandon an alien camp.
      I hope that at least the discontent of the Russians will not turn on, the camp or El should in theory be on the drum.

      You constantly get into the discussion of Kazakhstan with your own approval of everything that is somehow across the throat of Russia and the Russians and that will bring Kazakhstan closer to your coveted Turan ... How much money will the renamed come out of? Maybe we also heard about February 11th?

      PS: http://kazakeli.kz/
      1. -9
        16 February 2014 09: 48
        Quote: karabas
        You constantly get into the discussion of Kazakhstan with your own approval of everything that is somehow across the throat of Russia and the Russians and that will bring Kazakhstan closer to your desired Turan ..

        I want to climb. If you don’t do anything Russian then, they are discussing Kazakhstan, although this people is closer to me. El wanted to make handsome men. It’s better to call those who are Cossacks savage rootless and uncultured boobies. Any topic concerning Muslims and TURKS automatically concerns us .

        Thanks to many users with stupid behavior. And a year ago it was deplorable to look at the Cossacks with blinded eyes walking here with peace and friendship. They quickly returned them to their senses and opened their eyes.
        1. FRIGATE2
          -3
          16 February 2014 10: 35
          Quote: Yeraz
          Thanks to many users with stupid behavior. And a year ago it was deplorable to look at the Cossacks with blinded eyes walking here with peace and friendship. They quickly returned them to their senses and opened their eyes.

          Yes, a year ago, we Kazakhs went such positive here and always approved of Russia, until the topics about Kazakhstan went. Do not listen to anyone, write as you like
          1. 0
            16 February 2014 10: 55
            Quote: FRIGATE2
            Do not listen to anyone, write as you like

            Of course. I'm personally insanely happy.
        2. +5
          16 February 2014 10: 53
          Quote: Yeraz
          I want to climb. Chezh you Russian then do not do what they discuss Kazakhstan, although this people is closer to me


          The people of Kazakhstan are not only Kazakhs.
          1. Clegg
            -4
            16 February 2014 11: 00
            Quote: RUSS
            The people of Kazakhstan are not only Kazakhs.


            Quote: Yeraz
            Any topic concerning Muslims and TURKS automatically concerns us.


            RUSS, 70 percent of the Turks and Muslims.
            1. +5
              16 February 2014 11: 09
              Quote: Clegg
              RUSS, 70 percent of the Turks and Muslims.


              I know what? The remaining 30% should not be forgotten.
        3. +1
          16 February 2014 10: 59
          Quote: Yeraz
          I want to climb. Chezh you Russian then do not do what they discuss Kazakhstan, although this people is closer to me


          The people of Kazakhstan are not only Kazakhs!
          1. -1
            16 February 2014 11: 08
            Quote: RUSS
            The people of Kazakhstan are not only Kazakhs!

            I know. And this is not what I advise others not to discuss, but they advise me.
        4. +11
          16 February 2014 11: 50
          Quote: Yeraz
          Then you don’t do anything Russian to Russians that they are discussing in Kazakhstan, although this people is closer to me

          There are about a third of Russians in Kazakhstan, so we have the right to participate in our discussion. But Azerbaijanis are not connected with the Kazakhs at the stern of faith, even you are racially different. Once again, do not add oil to the fire.
          1. Clegg
            -1
            16 February 2014 11: 55
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But Azerbaijanis are not connected with the Kazakhs at the stern of faith,

            For information in Kazakhstan live 100 thousand diaspora Azeri. Therefore, this applies to him too.
            1. +5
              16 February 2014 12: 04
              And how much is it in percentage terms? And what contribution did they make to the development of Kazakhstan, besides equipping the markets of course?
              P.S. You still mention gypsies.
              1. Clegg
                -3
                16 February 2014 12: 12
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And what contribution did they make to the development of Kazakhstan, besides equipping the markets of course?

                I thought you were normal without prejudice, but chauvinism is a contagious thing.

                Do you think in Kazakhstan should take into account the opinion of only Russian? They are also the same equal citizens as representatives of other diasporas.
                1. +3
                  16 February 2014 12: 17
                  In fact, in a civilized state, everyone should be equal, and not equal like other diasporas.
                  And it turns out that all the diasporas of strangers are equal among themselves, and the Kazakhs are sitting on top with a whip.
                  1. Clegg
                    -1
                    16 February 2014 12: 30
                    Quote: July
                    And it turns out that all the diasporas of strangers are equal among themselves, and the Kazakhs are sitting on top with a whip.

                    Wrong expressed, I admit.
                    1. +6
                      16 February 2014 12: 33
                      You expressed yourself correctly, truthfully in Kazakh, but you didn’t expect such an answer. :)))
                2. +3
                  16 February 2014 12: 32
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Do you think in Kazakhstan should take into account the opinion of only Russian?

                  Distort. Not about the diasporas. Russian in Azerbaijan is now about one percent, and really they have no vote there. Although they contributed to the development of Azerbaijan. I repeat, the north and center of Kazakhstan has been mastered by the Russian people, and they have the right to vote in organizational and legislative matters. About the difference from the diasporas. hi
                  1. 0
                    16 February 2014 18: 14
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Russian in Azerbaijan is now about one percent, and really they have no vote there

                    And now Ingvar is the data for you.
                    Russian in Azerbaijan as a percentage of 1.5%
                    Azerbaijanis in Russia as well.
                    Only Azerbaijan has a Russian deputy and its own Orthodox church. So, you will have more votes.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I repeat, the north and center of Kazakhstan has been mastered by the Russian people, and they have the right to vote in organizational and legislative matters.

                    And what ??? But these lands are Cossack.
                    1. +3
                      16 February 2014 18: 18
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      Only Azerbaijan has a Russian deputy and its own Orthodox church. So, you will have more votes

                      so in Russia there are Armenians deputies, though they row more for themselves
                      1. +2
                        16 February 2014 18: 46
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        so in Russia there are Armenians deputies, though they row more for themselves

                        I note the Azerbaijani and the Armenian are two different things, therefore, they did not understand how sideways they were drawn here.
                        There were discussions about Azeri and Russians, and it turned out that Russians in the higher hierarchy are better represented
                      2. +1
                        16 February 2014 18: 57
                        Do you think there are no Azerbaijanis? !!
                      3. 0
                        16 February 2014 20: 44
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Do you think there are no Azerbaijanis? !!

                        call me that secretive Azerbaijani in the Duma. Maybe I missed a moment.
                      4. +1
                        16 February 2014 20: 59
                        Shakir Huseynov
                        Musa Manarov

                        I think if you search you can still find
                      5. +2
                        16 February 2014 21: 03
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Musa Manarov

                        I didn’t know about him. Thank you.
                        But the first is not in the State Duma, but in the regional Duma of some region, and there are many of them.
                      6. smersh70
                        +2
                        16 February 2014 23: 40
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Musa Manarov

                        he is not Azerbaijani, although he was born in Baku, he is Avar.
                      7. +1
                        17 February 2014 00: 08
                        Musa Manarov is a Lak, but the same Dagestan and Russian have an indirect relation to Azerbaijan.
                      8. The comment was deleted.
                      9. +2
                        17 February 2014 00: 34
                        Quote: smersh70
                        he is not Azerbaijani, although he was born in Baku, he is Avar

                        Lakets
                    2. +3
                      16 February 2014 22: 35
                      It's amazing how everyone feathered, small nationalities))) Ah, the Russians offended everyone, forced them to speak Russian, tortured and scoffed. But who prevented you from creating your own Great Empires? Why not create something? Who's in the way? How does it sound - the great Estonian Empire !!! Or Azerbaijani !!! Thank you for saying that you defended, accepted, taught to work (or forced?), Built everything that you still use. Throughout the pre-imperial history, these your minorities licked other people's fifth points, were part of different states, and here you go, cheers independence !!! And as soon as you cook, you’ll immediately start barking, beat it, they offend, defend your Russian brother, forgive us. Immediately there were great scientists, poets, wise figures of the past, as many as 5-10 pieces per whole country. The whole history of Kazakhstan is a brochure , such as a general notebook .... oh, we didn’t know how to write, we didn’t write down all the greatest acts .... And go out into St. Petersburg, there are some non-Slavic faces. Well, you don’t like yourself ? You did succeed? So, no, you don’t know how to do anything on your own, there’s no work, no happiness. So what is the habit of Russians in shit constantly smearing?
                    3. +1
                      17 February 2014 08: 26
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      But these lands are Cossack.

                      Cossacks? Just one letter, but how does the meaning change. wink
              2. +1
                16 February 2014 12: 43
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And how much is it in percentage terms? And what contribution did they make to the development of Kazakhstan, besides equipping the markets of course?


                Firstly, these people are citizens of Kazakhstan. They were sent there in the 30s. They have been living there for 70-80 years no less. Most of them are very respected people and hard workers.
                I forbid you to compare all Azerbaijanis with marketers. If your Prezik Yeltsin was an alcoholic, this does not give me the right to call all Russians Drunkards and alcoholics. Did you understand Ingvar?
                1. +2
                  16 February 2014 15: 26
                  Quote: lonely
                  . Understood Ingvar?

                  How menacing. belay
                  Quote: lonely
                  .Most highly respected people and laborers.
                  I don’t row everyone into one comb, but unfortunately your compatriots are increasingly equipping markets. I judge on average in Russia. Nevertheless, I have a friend, a half-breed, a father who is pure Azerbaijanian, Uncle Alim, and I respect him immensely. So, his words, the majority of those who are going to Russia now to earn money are not the most decent people. And I completely agree with him. I do not argue that there are decent Azerbaijanis in Kazakhstan, but I think that on average the situation is the same as in Russia.
                  Judging by the comments, I treat you and Apollo personally very well, but Eraz is not going too far in his garden. hi
                  1. +2
                    16 February 2014 18: 16
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I do not argue that there are decent Azerbaijanis in Kazakhstan, but I think that on average the situation is the same as in Russia.

                    You are deeply mistaken. Because these one hundred thousand are immigrants whom the Soviets drove there. And after the collapse of the Soviets, Azerbaijanis were one of the rare minorities who did not fall into their own country, but mostly remained in Kazakhstan. And to Russia, how different people went once.
              3. +1
                16 February 2014 18: 11
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And what contribution did they make to the development of Kazakhstan, besides equipping the markets of course?

                Do you know what the Azerbaijanis are doing there? And I can also think what the Russians are doing there, because there is only one thing about stereotypes in Muslim countries about Russians.
            2. +2
              16 February 2014 13: 17
              Quote: Clegg
              For information in Kazakhstan live 100 thousand diaspora Azeri. Therefore, this applies to him too.

              It is hard to believe that it is "cut" because of the 100th diaspora, rather "with whom and how" - but just to prick Russia
          2. +2
            16 February 2014 18: 10
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            There are about a third of Russians in Kazakhstan, so we have the right to participate in our discussion. But Azerbaijanis are not connected with the Kazakhs at the stern of faith, even you are racially different.

            You think that they are different. We believe that we are brothers. And will you think how much the Cossack and Azerbaijanis are interested in the opinion of a Russian, whether he considers them brothers or not? I’ll tell a damn about it. We know this enough.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            . Once again, do not add oil to the fire.

            Write this to your racial compatriots who pour dirt on the Cossacks.
        5. +8
          17 February 2014 04: 04
          Ali, hello! Do not pay attention to Karabas. RK would love to start integration processes with Turkic states, primarily in Central Asia, but
          1) Uzbekistan is categorically against.
          2) Turkmenistan is like behind an iron curtain. In our media about her info 0.
          3) The Kyrgyz themselves cannot decide on the authorities - they forgot about their showdowns.
          In the neighbors we still have China and the Russian Federation. After all, look from the position of the Kazakhstani that we have. A huge territory (9 on the planet) with low numbers. Solvency is low in the population. We live off natural resources. How to rebuild your non-commodity economy? What exactly to develop? Hired NAS of Western experts, but those in a year as a verdict. Only 7 clusters in the economy due to the small domestic market. And almost everything is tied to raw materials.
          Here is an example from our economic life. The first line for assembling cars was created by Bipek Auto, in my opinion, based on VAZ models. The guy there upholstered all the rapids while "he did it." But then it turned out that it would be idle because of the market (now they seem to be doing business). And so everywhere. Whatever the system, it will certainly be simple.
          From here, the government concludes that a larger market is needed to develop the economy.
          As I wrote above, China and Russia remain. China immediately exclude. It remains the Russian Federation, with which we have huge plexuses in economic terms. Our coal is consumed by the Urals, the Pavlodar and Chimken refineries worked on growing. oil. Railways and roads, pipelines, the nuclear industry and a bunch of military. polygons. Therefore, sensible Kazakhstanis do not see an alternative to RUSSIA. At the moment, we need a quality slave. places.
          Also, I do not see our art, science, etc. apart from growing up. space. Well, take for example the Russian Drama Theater. Lermontov in Alma-Ata (or German, Korean or Kazakh national theaters in the Republic of Kazakhstan) in isolation from their viewer in Russia. Or our scientists in isolation from the scientific community and publications in Russia. It is simply degradation and sentence.
          From my point of view, if it is necessary to remove for our citizens all the barriers and barriers in business and communication between relatives, servants, etc., then we must not further delay and remove all this. And to create a new Union with fair conditions, then we will all be there. We, unlike the EU, have a common worldview and language, and this is only offhand.
          And I don’t understand when people talk about the sovereignty and independence of Kazakhstan. Does anyone threaten us? INDEPENDENCE AND SOVERITY IS ONLY STRENGTHENED FROM THE UNION in terms of SECURITY. AND ALSO THE UNION GIVES A CHANCE TO BUILD YOUR INDUSTRY. And whoever wants independence and sovereignty will have to develop those very 7 clusters and become the final raw materials appendage. Personally, I don’t like such a future. hi
          1. 0
            17 February 2014 11: 25
            INDEPENDENCE AND SOVERITY IS ONLY STRENGTHENED FROM THE UNION in terms of SECURITY. ALSO THE UNION GIVES A CHANCE TO BUILD YOUR INDUSTRY
            Kasym, thank you very much for your comment that really assesses the situation. In fact, he is the only true on this topic. hi
      2. FRIGATE2
        +3
        16 February 2014 10: 58
        Quote: karabas
        You constantly get into the discussion of Kazakhstan with your own approval of everything that is somehow across the throat of Russia and the Russians and that will bring Kazakhstan closer to your coveted Turan ... How much money will the renamed come out of? Maybe we also heard about February 11th?

        baurym, he is a proven participant, you are not there yet, so be patient and get to know him better. He still can not affect the policy of the Republic of Kazakhstan and therefore your presentations are unfounded
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. 0
      16 February 2014 20: 12
      Quote: Yeraz
      Well done El is a Turkic name, which is correct, all Turkic countries should abandon an alien camp.
      I hope that at least the discontent of the Russians will not turn on, the camp or El should in theory be on the drum.

      ------------------------------
      All these prefixes will not bring any significance to the country ... It's like Bzdyschenko was, but Almazov became ... On the contrary, only the small-town status of the state and its exoticism will strengthen, such as Cote D'Ivoire or Burkina Faso ... And who will the citizen be? country? Kazakiel? It sounds almost like a Taldykurgan or a Karaganda citizen ... As for the names, too, the Volga was and is Itil (Atal) and nothing, for example, I know all the names of the Volga in my area, but in the Seliger area it is not necessary to know these names ... There are many names Russified from local names - Cheboksary (Shubashkar), Chelyabinsk (Syulebey), and nothing, no one bothers ...
  10. ilya_82
    +2
    16 February 2014 08: 02
    without Russians, these camps are a nomadic retreat
    1. +6
      16 February 2014 09: 26
      Quote: ilya_82
      without Russians, these camps are a nomadic retreat

      Do not say that
    2. The comment was deleted.
  11. +5
    16 February 2014 08: 18
    Quote: Humpty
    In connection with the awareness of the greatness of the "liberated people"

    Don’t bring where to see ... And if you rake ...
    1. +2
      16 February 2014 10: 49
      PHOTO: Listen to zebras, how do you like a giraffe? Well, actually a class! One thing is bad, kissing is not convenient - climb high without safety.
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        +3
        16 February 2014 11: 28
        Here the fun begins! This is an application for recognition of the status of an internally displaced person, where the traveler is obliged to indicate this in clause 12:

        12. Indicate the reasons why you and your family members left (intend to leave) their former place of permanent residence. Give the facts of the violence or harassment in other forms committed against you or your family members or a real danger of being persecuted on the grounds and circumstances specified in art. 1 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. You can attach any available documents confirming this to the application.

        Then the traveler is forced to come up with facts of oppression and prosecution from the ceiling!
        If these facts do not exist and the application is filled out in a form, the refusal automatically comes, and you already live in Russia with your property and are removed from all accounts in the Republic of Kazakhstan! What do you think? So it remains to come up with stories about the evil Kazakhs who steal children, cut and rape Russians on the street, fire them for being Russian! ALL THIS LIE I KNOW ALONG AND CROSS!
        There is one more point according to the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. There are restrictions on the ownership of property if you wish to receive this status, which means that if you no longer receive this status in the FMS!
        I read an article on VO why the majority of those who did not take advantage of this program, by the way, there the women on the video talked about bureaucracy in the FMS regarding them and other tales that their Kazakhs supposedly steal children from Russians (bullshit, because there are mothers of cuckoos like so Kazakh enough). TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH: Most of those who did not use this program due to the fact that they are not any refugees, ARE LEAVING SIMPLY FOR THEIR MOTHERLAND, WHERE THEIR PARTY IS FROM
        1. Beck
          +2
          16 February 2014 12: 10
          Quote: RK refugee
          12. Indicate the reasons why you and your family members left (intend to leave) their former place of permanent residence. Give the facts of the violence or harassment in other forms committed against you or your family members or a real danger of being persecuted on the grounds and circumstances specified in art. 1 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. You can attach any available documents confirming this to the application.


          Quote: RK refugee
          Then the traveler is forced to come up with facts of harassment and persecution from the ceiling! If these facts do not exist and the application is filled out in a form, the refusal automatically comes,


          HERE, HERE, HERE. This is where all the horror stories about oppression in Kazakhstan go. In fairness, such clauses are available not only in the legislation of Russia, but also in the laws of the countries of Europe and North America.

          There, such an item was adopted in order to weed out all cosmopolitans seeking a warm place from true refugees. People fleeing dictatorial regimes.

          In Russia, this item was accepted automatically and received what they received. Everyday horror stories.

          In the midst of the open borders of the nineties, when people massively left Kazakhstan for their historical homelands, the Germans, Chechens, Greeks simply left, without any fables. The same people of different nationalities who sought to prosperous countries - the USA, Canada, Europe, for permanent residence in warm places, here they also ran for all sorts of certificates that oppressed them in Kazakhstan.
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            +2
            16 February 2014 16: 23
            There is still an important fact: it began to leave a lot when the National Academy of Sciences raised the retirement age limit, so they went to retire in the Russian Federation, then those who didn’t go under the refugee program returned and live and work by residence permit (who knows the yellow car numbers) and receives a Russian pension (some wiseacres managed to get out here and here), and who is closed under the refugee program.
            1. +2
              16 February 2014 18: 10
              You already understand among themselves what to write, why half of the Russians left.
              I read on the website that they had left: "1) rogues and swindlers 2) random people, 3) outright nationalists, 4) alarmists who have never seen the notorious" Kazakh nationalism ", 5) simply for economic reasons.
              How many among Russians are there, only from Kazakhstan, several million? Let me ask how much you have with yellow tickets (something reminiscent of the stars of David in the German ghettos wink )? Those that are back.
    2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      +1
      16 February 2014 18: 05
      This is the top of your mind!
      1. +1
        16 February 2014 18: 28
        Is that the whole answer? belay
      2. The comment was deleted.
  12. +22
    16 February 2014 08: 19
    Oh, la. Is it really all "on the drum"? I well remember the beautiful city of Alma-Ata in the eighties, and I visited there two years ago. Two different cities. No, I don’t argue the city has become more beautiful and richer, at least its glossy side. Only now the relationship between people has changed a lot. If in the 80s everyone was “on the drum” if you were Kazakh or Russian, now noooo. From the Kazakhs it carries such greatness that ... it becomes funny. It will take it and burst. And all are nonsense, they say we were under the yoke of the colony. Goonies, thanks to this "colony" you became who you are. You name at least a couple of significant objects of the last century (and 19 too) created without the participation of "colonists". So you can pour mud, because Russians are generous. If you happened to be an amerovskoy colony, they would quickly drive everyone on the reservation.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. +5
      16 February 2014 09: 16
      Yeah, it's sad to hear and see how a new
      the history of backward tribes allegedly enslaved by Russia?
      Already, Nazarbayev sang the national idea, however, he
      previously did not hide this, limiting the Russian language.
      The final of this bacchanalia is clear: the migration of Russian speakers
      into the metropolis and a gradual creep back to the camp.
    3. FRIGATE2
      -3
      16 February 2014 09: 20
      Quote: ochakow703
      Oh, la. Is it really all "on the drum"? I well remember the beautiful city of Alma-Ata in the eighties, and I visited there two years ago. Two different cities. No, I don’t argue the city has become more beautiful and richer, at least its glossy side. Only now the relationship between people has changed a lot. If in the 80s everyone was “on the drum” if you were Kazakh or Russian, now noooo. From the Kazakhs it carries such greatness that ... it becomes funny. It will take it and burst. And all are nonsense, they say we were under the yoke of the colony. Goonies, thanks to this "colony" you became who you are. You name at least a couple of significant objects of the last century (and 19 too) created without the participation of "colonists". So you can pour mud, because Russians are generous. If you happened to be an amerovskoy colony, they would quickly drive everyone on the reservation.

      That is not necessary Elena Gromovskie techniques "I lived there and was, it is not good without us, but bad, I saw everything" to apply aa.
      So where where, so in Almaty there is no conflict between Russians and Kazakhs.
    4. +1
      16 February 2014 09: 32
      Quote: ochakow703
      From the Kazakhs is so great that ...

      Similarly! Not so long ago, near Silk Way, I saw two clearly Russian from Russia =)) I immediately identified them from the crowd, it was definitely not ours) Because it was exactly the same with everyone looking at them)
    5. +2
      16 February 2014 12: 15
      The Americans are well done, pragmatists, wow harm. So we entered Afghanistan, let’s build bridges, roads, factories there, and the Americans stimulate the cultivation of poppy fields, and supply weapons to both belligerents, and that’s all development. That's why everyone respects them - they don’t beat, they don’t like it, they need to beat.
  13. +13
    16 February 2014 08: 21
    In 1991, Kazakhstan headed for the construction of a national state. The Soviet period of its history began to be regarded as colonial.
    it’s right to demolish everything, live in yurts to graze cattle and complain about invaders. it is so nationally patriotic wassat
    1. FRIGATE2
      -3
      16 February 2014 09: 17
      Quote: kafa
      In 1991, Kazakhstan headed for the construction of a national state. The Soviet period of its history began to be regarded as colonial. It’s right to demolish everything, live in yurts to graze cattle and complain about invaders. it is so nationally patriotic

      Wow national state with official Russian language
      1. +3
        16 February 2014 11: 37
        Quote: FRIGATE2
        Wow national state with official Russian language

        You are distorting. The state language is one - Kazakh. Your attempts to justify the lie are miserable and inept.
  14. +5
    16 February 2014 08: 31
    We ourselves have a republic of Mari el in the Russian Federation. So indignation is not appropriate.
    1. Clegg
      0
      17 February 2014 09: 44
      Quote: bairat
      We ourselves have a republic of Mari El in the Russian Federation

      Well, the fate of Mari El we do not need))))))))
  15. PPL
    0
    16 February 2014 08: 33
    Why are you so excited about the renaming? Is that a precedent or others can, but not the Kazakhs? To whom it will get worse, well, except for mail, probably ... lol
    Let them frolic if other problems have already been resolved ...
    1. 0
      16 February 2014 10: 14
      Quote: PPZ
      To whom it will get worse, well, except for mail, probably ...

      Quote: karabas
      How much money will result in renamed understand?
  16. +13
    16 February 2014 08: 37
    Quote: Humpty
    all Turkic countries should abandon an alien camp.

    Are the Kazakhs already Turks? The nomadic people, who had never before had their own statehood and written language, suddenly became concerned with self-designation - they are not satisfied with the prefix "stan" (place, camp, camp). How does it not suit them? Vaughn, Pakistan is also a "camp", not to mention Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, countries with ancient statehood and culture. But, if you wanted to change the name of the country, then nothing can be done about it, they will change how to drink. There are many such examples in history. I even know one, very interesting. In central Africa there was such a state, the colony of France - Upper Volta. Many probably remember that one European rat once called Russia "Upper Volta with rockets". So, in 1984. there a coup d'etat took place, under the leadership of Captain (!) Thomas Sankara. Sankara became the head of state, renamed the country Burkina Faso and proclaimed a course towards social revolution, which he implemented in very non-standard ways. In society, he was very popular, not least because of the emphasized proximity to the people - for example, he did not use air conditioning in his office, "since the people are not available," he refused to authorize the hanging of his portraits in public places and offices. that "we have seven million people like me in our country." For his leftist views, Sankara was nicknamed "African Che Guevara". So, in translation, the name of the country literally means: HOMELAND OF HONEST PEOPLE. Beautiful name!
    1. +3
      16 February 2014 08: 41
      Quote: demotivator
      But are the Kazakhs already Türks?

      No Africans they are chocolate.
      Hare to breed srach, they did not have a state, writing, or other nonsense. Once again they discussed it.
    2. +2
      16 February 2014 09: 01
      [quote = demotivator]
      Are the Kazakhs already Turks? not satisfied with the prefix "stan" (place, camp, camp). How does it not suit them? Vaughn, Pakistan is also a "camp", not to mention Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, countries with ancient statehood and culture.

      Already wrote that of all the "stans" the most popular among tourists are Uzbekistan and, until recently, Pakistan. Historical and cultural heritage in Wed. Asia and Turkestan are inseparable from the culture of the Persians. Burial mounds remained from the ancient Türks. Hence the Persian prefix - "stan", which is quite understandable in Russian.
    3. rolik
      +1
      16 February 2014 14: 40
      Quote: demotivator
      But are the Kazakhs already Türks?

      Kazakhs belong to the Turanian race, which is part of the large Mongoloid race .... this is according to the theory of Celtism, the author of which is Isaac Taylor. Turanids or Turanian race The modern classification is divided into 7 categories, one of which is the Turanian race. A relatively small group, which includes Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Uigurs, Tatars, Nogais and Bashkirs (and even then not all Uzbeks and not all Uighurs).
      1. Clegg
        +4
        16 February 2014 14: 46
        Quote: rolik
        Kazakhs belong to the Turanian race, which is part of the large Mongoloid race.

        I will clarify that the Turanian race is a transition between the Caucasoid and Mongoloid races.

        Quote: Humpty
        How does it not suit them? Vaughn, Pakistan is also a "camp", not to mention Uzbekistan and Tajikistan,

        Tajikistan is also Iranians, the Uzbeks have a very strong cultural connection with the Iranian world.
  17. ReifA
    +18
    16 February 2014 08: 38
    The "greatness" of almost all the republics of the former USSR, for some reason, always begins with the realization of "liberation from the Russian invaders." The truth ends with Maidans, the destruction of the country, 30-40% loss of population, but who cares about such trifles, right?
    1. +3
      16 February 2014 08: 44
      Flee to the Russian "occupation" smile
  18. +1
    16 February 2014 08: 46
    The main reason, apparently, is the desire to distance itself from other “stans” - the republics of Central Asia, which gained independence in 1991, as well as Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    ... as well as pindo stana laughing
  19. +6
    16 February 2014 08: 51
    Chimkent, Dzhambul, Kzyl-Orda - let it be a separate Kazakh-Elik state or something like that, but the rest of the territory is originally Russian, and will accordingly return to Russia. Such a situation, I think, will be fair both for the Kazakh Natsik, and for the Russian-speaking population in Kazakhstan, and for Russia.
    1. Clegg
      -5
      16 February 2014 14: 48
      Quote: Smoke
      Chimkent, Dzhambul, Kzyl-Orda - let it be a separate Kazakh-Elik state or something like that, but the rest of the territory is originally Russian, and will accordingly return to Russia.

      Dreaming is not harmful, the native Russian lands are Muscovy and nothing more.
      1. +5
        16 February 2014 14: 58
        Quote: Clegg
        Dreaming is not harmful, the native Russian lands are Muscovy and nothing more.

        In the days of Muscovy, independent Kazakhs already flourished?
        How long have you identified yourself? Year to remind?
      2. 0
        16 February 2014 15: 17
        Heh) wait and see)
      3. Beck
        +5
        16 February 2014 17: 09
        Quote: Clegg
        Dreaming is not harmful, the native Russian lands are Muscovy and nothing more.


        Smoke has an upset mind, as he fell from the bell tower as a child. He does not know either history or geography. Only full of self-grandeur.
        1. +1
          16 February 2014 17: 24
          I know better than yours, apparently, both Geography and History. It’s with your mind that immediately the problems begin as soon as a Russian by nationality decided to run for President of Kazakhstan))
          1. Beck
            +8
            16 February 2014 18: 00
            Quote: Smoke
            as soon as Russian by nationality decided to run for President of Kazakhstan))


            Let him run, if he provides a good program, I will vote for him.

            Quote: Smoke
            I know better than yours, apparently, both Geography and History.


            If you know what you’ll fucking rubbish about the Northern regions of Kazakhstan. The Russians beyond the Volga and the Ural Mountains appeared only in 1582, from the campaign of Yermak. And before that, Turks lived on these lands. Russia colonized these lands. Under the USSR, an administrative border was drawn, Moscow, as desired, and the primordial Turkic lands turned into regions of the RSFSR (Novosibirsk, Omsk, Orenburg, Chelyabinsk, in which the toponymy is 80% Turkic). In 90, the USSR collapsed. The administrative border has become a state border.

            And we are silent. Well. so history has decreed, why stir up the past, you have to live like a neighbor. But the Russian urashniks are not satisfied with their Russian expanses of the largest country in the world, and they arrogantly consider the former colonial lands to be "primordially" theirs.

            That's what you and people like you want with your biased claims? They want us, the millennium, living side by side, surviving both the good and the bad and completely turned away from each other. Looking at each other with binoculars through barbed wire and a track strip? But people like you are not the whole Russian people, absolutely not all, so a miserable handful.

            And therefore, our leaders created the TS, the CSTO, and are moving towards the creation of the EurAsEC. And Urashniki only put sticks in the wheels of good neighborly relations.

            He knows better. Yes, you don’t know how to cook porridge so that it doesn’t burn, but still in the same row.
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. -1
              16 February 2014 18: 04
              Quote: Beck
              Let him run, if he provides a good program, I will vote for him.

              Beck needs to admit that there are fewer people like you, but more Natsiks
              1. Beck
                +7
                16 February 2014 18: 29
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Beck needs to admit that there are fewer people like you, but more Natsiks


                The Nazis are the "sovereign" right of any people. And I think that their percentage is approximately the same for all peoples. This is one of the human hypostases that poisons life. I already wrote once, but I will repeat myself.

                Such Natsiks as Smoke and our Natsiks should be fingernail. As for me...

                All of them would be tied into one and merged into one.
                And to drown them all in the Caspian Lake.
                Sprinkle half a gram of sugar on the tongue.
                And on the neck of the pebbles and in the lake piz ... yk.
                1. -1
                  16 February 2014 20: 29
                  Quote: Beck
                  I say that their percentage is approximately the same for all peoples.

                  there is one problem now in the Republic of Kazakhstan, unfortunately, I often cultivate Nazism, confusing it with good nationalism.
                  1. Beck
                    +2
                    17 February 2014 00: 12
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    there is one problem now in the Republic of Kazakhstan, unfortunately, I often cultivate Nazism, confusing it with good nationalism.


                    You have some kind of mania.

                    And the last koment didn’t sew on the sleeve at all. Natsik yes, it is like everywhere else, but Nazism in Kazakhstan!?!?!? Well, what kind of bone of rejection in my throat is stuck to give out?

                    In general, normal people, before condemning anyone, look back and look inside themselves, so that they don’t have this.

                    Of all the countries of the former USSR, throughout the CIS, only Russia has flourished skinhead movement. When skinhead neo-Nazis with a swastika stylized as a Christian cross on their sleeves beat and kill everyone who is not Russian, regardless of age and gender. Remember the sensational killings or memory wandered.
                    Only in Russia, after the Second World War, did Nazi flags flutter by fascist Germany.

                    People never gathered in Kazakhstan, with swastikas on their sleeves, to beat and kill non-Kazakhs. Azerbaijan has never raised a swastika. In Belarus, they did not wave Nazi flags. Not in any republic was this.

                    I would put your avatar on a chain and hang a sign - "Caution. There are evil libels in my soul."
                    1. +2
                      17 February 2014 01: 31
                      Quote: Beck
                      I would put your avatar on a chain and hang a sign - "Caution. There are evil libels in my soul."

                      My minus - you can’t condemn an ​​avatar so badly, it's like poking a finger in the eye.
                      1. Beck
                        +1
                        17 February 2014 02: 38
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        My minus - you can’t condemn an ​​avatar so badly, it's like poking a finger in the eye.


                        There are buttons and pushing them is not forbidden; they exist for that.

                        But the avatar is a lot less evil than not looking back at someone who falsely ascribes preference to Nazism.
                    2. 0
                      17 February 2014 16: 27
                      Quote: Beck
                      Of all the countries of the former USSR, the skinhead movement has flourished only in Russia throughout the CIS
                      Are you seriously?!!!!!!
                      Quote: Beck
                      ? Well, what kind of bone of rejection in my throat is stuck to give out?

                      I'm sorry when they call to kill the Russians only because they are Russian, as you call it
                      Quote: Beck
                      People never gathered in Kazakhstan, with swastikas on their sleeves, to beat and kill non-Kazakhs
                      read above by the way the swastika is a completely optional attribute of Nazism
                      Quote: Beck
                      In no republic was this
                      you convince yourself or us
                      1. Beck
                        -2
                        18 February 2014 09: 18
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        you convince yourself or us


                        You distort again. The picture shows old people, former soldiers of the SS division. And if you look more carefully, they fought not for Nazism, but against the Soviet occupation of their homeland in 1940. And of course they chose a bad ally for themselves, but there were no others. And in 41, neither Latvians, nor Soviet, nor British knew the whole essence of Nazism, which opened in 1945, after the liberation of the concentration camps.

                        And where are the Nazi flags here, the picture shows Latvian flags.
                      2. 0
                        18 February 2014 10: 03
                        Quote: Beck
                        You distort again. The picture shows old people, former soldiers of the SS division. And if you look more carefully, they did not fight for Nazism

                        beck Are you serious?
                        if so, then forgive me, in principle, there’s nothing to talk about, these old excuses ... bear the awards of the Third Reich, young followers lead them into their arms
                      3. Beck
                        -1
                        18 February 2014 12: 32
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        beck Are you serious?
                        if so, then forgive me, in principle, there’s nothing to talk about, these old excuses ... bear the awards of the Third Reich, young followers lead them into their arms


                        Well, that’s what you pop for your excuse.

                        I'm talking about motives. I am sure that if the Polish troops went to war on the Golden Horde, then the Russians would support them. After all, this happened when VKLitovskoe opposed the hegemony of the Golden Horde. Under the Lithuanian hand, all the West Russian princes with their lands joyfully went. And not only left, but made up half of the Lithuanian army during the battle on the River Worksle. And what do I now these Russian princes and Western Rusich who opposed the worn-out yoke call traitors of the Golden Horde? They didn’t care with whom to go, with the Lithuanian prince, with the German master of the Teutonic Order (and at Workls it was) just to expel the Tatars.

                        Similarly, with the Baltic states. The Soviets would not have occupied them in the year 40, and I am sure there would be no Baltic SS divisions.

                        My father, like your father or grandfather, fought with the brown plague, but you have to be objective about the story.

                        And then, something I did not hear that the Lithuanian followers of the Baltic divisions, gathered in gangs and killed all who are not Latvian.

                        И the Balts never considered the USSR as their country. But when skinheads operate in Moscow itself, it is more than blasphemous. The most affected people in WWII is the Russian people. And at 45, the grandfathers-winners in no imagination imagined that part of their grandchildren and great-grandchildren would wear a swastika on their sleeves and raise Nazi flags, which grandfathers trampled into the ground at 45. And you closed your eyes, poke your finger on the Baltic. I would first figure it out myself.
                      4. The comment was deleted.
            3. +4
              16 February 2014 18: 16
              since 1582 it’s only Ermak, but even if you count from this date, it’s quite enough to consider the Russians to be exactly the same ROOT nation in Kazakhstan as the Kazakhs themselves. And in your state there is extrusion of both linguistic and domestic discrimination of the INDIGENOUS Russian nation in Kazakhstan. What are my claims biased? Is the land of Northern Kazakhstan a Russian land? Yes, this is Russian land! The Russians arranged it, poured blood and then their own ... Or is it that I am not happy with the fact that the Russian language is not the state language? Yes, this is my main complaint! The Russian people of you Kazakhs can be said to have truly cherished, lived side by side, helped in everything, never considered who was working on whom until your home-grown nationalists started whining about the Holodomor, about colonization, etc. For some reason, the Kyrgyz are not soaring and do not worry so much about the fate of their nation — they took and accepted the Russian language as the state language, and you Kazakhs are afraid to do the same. If in Kazakhstan the domestic policy towards Russians does not change, if in the near future I do not see the Russian President of Kazakhstan, I will be for the SECTION of Kazakhstan.
              1. +1
                16 February 2014 18: 21
                Quote: Smoke
                If Kazakhstan’s domestic policy towards Russians does not change, if in the near future I do not see the Russian President of Kazakhstan, I will be for the SECTION of Kazakhstan.


                And who cares?
                1. 0
                  16 February 2014 18: 26
                  Well, in the next presidential election, I will vote for a candidate who will pursue a more adequate policy regarding the protection of Russian rights abroad.
                  1. +2
                    16 February 2014 19: 15
                    Wow ... scared. laughing
                    Who needs your voice in Russia? The country didn’t make a mistake?
                  2. Clegg
                    +1
                    16 February 2014 19: 55
                    Quote: Smoke
                    Well, in the next presidential election, I will vote for a candidate who will pursue a more adequate policy regarding the protection of Russian rights abroad.

                    Zhirinovsky?))))))))))
                  3. Veteran Vlad.
                    -1
                    16 February 2014 20: 01
                    Quote: Smoke
                    Well, in the next presidential election, I will vote for a candidate who will pursue a more adequate policy regarding the protection of Russian rights abroad.

                    Unfortunately, such a candidate will not be well, there will not be
      4. +1
        16 February 2014 17: 54
        Quote: Clegg
        Dreaming is not harmful, the native Russian lands are Muscovy and nothing more.


        The term Muscovy was invented by the Poles, there has never been such a territorial entity and state.
  20. +3
    16 February 2014 09: 11
    It's time, it's time to rename. After all, we have already achieved everything. It remains to lacquer the name and there will be a yak in Mongolia!
  21. ReifA
    +3
    16 February 2014 09: 21
    A yak in Mongolia? Is heaven built on earth?
    1. 0
      16 February 2014 11: 04
      “The name of our country has the ending“ stan ”, like other Central Asian states,” the president said. “At the same time, foreigners are interested in Mongolia, whose population is only two million people, while its name does not have an ending” mill"

      Show interest!
    2. +1
      16 February 2014 11: 59
      Quote: ReifA
      A yak in Mongolia? Is heaven built on earth?

      Sure! Even Snickers have their own, Mongolian. A piece of camel fat, and a thick, thick layer of chocolate. laughing
    3. rolik
      +5
      16 February 2014 14: 53
      Quote: ReifA
      A yak in Mongolia? Is heaven built on earth?

      Speaking of Mongolia. there is not so bad as it seems to many. Many laugh but .......
      According to Xinhua News Agency, GDP growth in 2011 was 17,3%, which makes it the absolute economic leader in the world. For comparison, in China, GDP growth in 2011 was only 9,8%, in Russia - 4,3%. Mongolia is not only a country full of geological wealth, but also the future largest and fastest growing raw materials market in the world. If you combine Mongolian supplies and Chinese demand, Mongolia will become richer than the craziest Mongols could have supposed, who a generation ago had seen themselves as nothing but nomadic shepherds. With a population of about 3 million people, Mongolia has every chance to stand on a par with Qatar or Brunei. Australian economist Brian Fisher, who investigated the economic impact of Oy Tolgoi, argues that Mongolia is like “Australia in the 30s of the XNUMXth century.”
      So, you can laugh, but the Mongolian rider on a rough skate, humming under his breath, goes forward, and our liberals, led by DAM, are always trying to back off.
  22. +4
    16 February 2014 09: 26
    Actually, the Kazakhs have three tribes. It’s time, they also come up with three states with new camps. And this is definitely because the time of Nazarbayev
    ends.
  23. +12
    16 February 2014 09: 33
    Yes, it doesn’t matter to me who they are, the Türks or the Mongoloids, and they camp or ate. Only different dictionaries and Wikipedia write that:
    Anthropologically, the Kazakhs belong to the South Siberian minor race, transitional between the large Mongoloid and Caucasoid races.

    However, their language belongs to the Turkic group, more precisely to the Kypchak subgroup of Turkic languages ​​(Tatar, Bashkir, Karachay-Balkar, Kumyk, Karaite, Crimean Tatar, Karakalpak, Karagach, Nogai).
    It should be remembered that Kazakhstan was "assembled" from 8 Russian regions: the Ural, Turgai, Akmola, Semipalatinsk, Transcaspian, Syrdarya, Semirechensk, Hungry Steppe, and also half of the Astrakhan province. Thus, of all the national republics, Kazakhstan has the most fantastically large territory. Where almost until the 90s of the last century, most of the population was not Kazakhs, but Russians, together with Ukrainians and Belarusians. If you have forgotten, let me remind you that in 1986, during Gorbachev's "perestroika", Kazakhs were the first to organize nationalist riots. The reason for them was the election of the new leader of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan, Russian Gennady Kolbin.
    1. -2
      16 February 2014 09: 51
      Quote: demotivator
      It should be remembered that Kazakhstan was "assembled" from 8 Russian regions: the Ural, Turgai, Akmola, Semipalatinsk, Transcaspian, Syrdarya, Semirechensk, Hungry Steppe, and also half of the Astrakhan province.

      belay
    2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      +1
      16 February 2014 12: 30
      It was necessary to appoint akim of the South Kazakhstan region to manage Russia. I would see how you sang!
      1. +3
        16 February 2014 12: 34
        Quote: RK refugee
        It was necessary to appoint akim of the South Kazakhstan region to manage Russia. I would see how you sang!
        It has already been more than once ... and many foreign Akims found their doom with us ...
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          -1
          16 February 2014 16: 26
          So the Kazakhs and Kolbin in 1986 treated like that!
          1. rolik
            0
            16 February 2014 19: 57
            Quote: RK refugee
            So the Kazakhs and Kolbin in 1986 treated like that!

            So with mattresses in Vietnam treated))))))
          2. +1
            16 February 2014 20: 02
            Well, actually, it is not clear who and with whom dealt with, in addition, the slogan "Kazakhstan for Kazakhs" has little to do with Kolbin
          3. The comment was deleted.
  24. +3
    16 February 2014 10: 05
    If there is қазақ тілі, then why not be Kazak Eli.
  25. +1
    16 February 2014 10: 11
    Take away all Russian regions from the scoundrels, leave them the "starving steppe", let the sheep graze.
    1. +1
      16 February 2014 10: 16
      Quote: bistrov.
      Take away all Russian regions from the scoundrels, leave them the "starving steppe", let the sheep graze.

      There is a lot of dirt, it’s so nice to wipe after such moods on all sorts of mythical organizations from the OKDB series, CIS where the left says the right to alliance and brotherhood. As they say, well)))
      1. +1
        16 February 2014 10: 42
        Quote: Yeraz
        There is a lot of dirt, it’s so nice to wipe after such moods on all sorts of mythical organizations from the OKDB series, CIS where the left says the right to alliance and brotherhood. As they say, well)))


        Everyone has their own personal opinion, which he can voice on the forum - has every right
        1. +2
          16 February 2014 10: 57
          Quote: RUSS
          Everyone has their own personal opinion, which he can voice on the forum - has every right

          That's right. I personally do not forbid anyone, but they often try to tell me what and how to write)
          1. +3
            16 February 2014 11: 14
            Quote: Yeraz
            That's right. I personally do not forbid anyone, but they often try to tell me what and how to write)


            Apparently they consider that the site is Russian and Russian, I do not always agree with your comments, but that is why it is interesting and objective, that there are many different diametrical opinions, comments and articles.
      2. FRIGATE2
        -3
        16 February 2014 10: 51
        Quote: Yeraz
        There is a lot of dirt, it’s so nice to wipe after such moods on all sorts of mythical organizations from the OKDB series, CIS where the left says the right to alliance and brotherhood. As they say, well)))

        it’s just that the authorities of Russia, as there were no adequate rulers after Peter, are still not there, of course, people are born but Russians will not give them power, that is, Putin. Putin’s education and outlook is not so hot, which is why he began attempts to return the empire. Ukraine became the first victim. by means of intimidation on gas prices, Putin thought to tame the Ukrainian authorities as Belarus, but this policy completely repelled Ukraine’s unity with Russia. Now Ukraine cannot be returned by Putin; now it is hustling into Central Asia.

        I am sad that such a stupid military man rules Russia, is absolutely inadequate, and it’s sad that local media in the Russian Federation make all neighbors their enemies to the Russians. Nazarbayev and Lukashenko agreed to the Eurasian Union only because a powerful economic zone is needed to counterbalance the neighboring ones. But Putin is risking such a policy and ruining Russia.

        It’s sad that the Russians notice how bad our rulers are, but they don’t notice how bad Putin is and are being treated by his policies.
        1. +8
          16 February 2014 11: 15
          Quote: FRIGATE2
          It’s sad that the Russians notice how bad our rulers are, but they don’t notice how bad Putin is and are being treated by his policies.


          Putin is bad for you, first of all because against his background all your buy-ins look like wretched idiots. wassat
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            +2
            16 February 2014 16: 30
            That is, you called Nazarbayev a moron?
        2. Veteran Vlad.
          -1
          16 February 2014 11: 59
          Quote: FRIGATE2
          It’s sad that the Russians notice how bad our rulers are, but they don’t notice how bad Putin is and are being treated by his policies.

          Why do we notice that there are simply Putin’s lovers? These are all kinds of office plankton, well, traders and their children’s majors
          1. +3
            16 February 2014 16: 57
            Quote: Veteran Vlad.
            Why do we notice that there are simply Putin’s lovers? These are all kinds of office plankton, well, traders and their children’s majors


            That's just all of the above are the most ardent opponents of Putin.

            And in general, why love him? He is not a woman and not a chocolate bar laughing
    2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      0
      16 February 2014 16: 29
      It’s your time to take away the Crimea and give the Tatars! And eastern and southern Russia! And as for the steppe, you silly woman, you are mistaken; she is far from hungry; for a long time now she has not found free pieces.
      1. 0
        16 February 2014 16: 59
        Quote: RK refugee
        And as for the steppe, you silly woman, you are mistaken; she is far from hungry; for a long time now she has not found free pieces.


        It’s true, but, again, the Russians irrigated it to you. negative
        1. FRIGATE2
          -3
          17 February 2014 19: 47
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          It’s true, but, again, the Russians irrigated it to you.

          Then let the Russians say thanks to Albert Kahn for developing mechanical engineering in Russia and, in general, thank America for the fact that Russia has not remained such a country as India.
          Thank Jew Lenin for freeing the Russian people from Ak Patsha (the White Tsar) and giving the Russians freedom from the kings and live working for themselves.
    3. smersh70
      0
      16 February 2014 23: 46
      Quote: bistrov.
      Take away all Russian regions from the scoundrels, leave them the "starving steppe", let the sheep graze.
      You probably mean the eastern lands of Ukraine. Then I'm for wassat
  26. +4
    16 February 2014 10: 25
    Kazakhstan will be "Cossack eli"?

    "You need to get sick with childhood diseases" Kazakhstan has remained in "childhood" in no way can it get sick. All these renaming and the transition to the Latin alphabet "disease" of the young newly-made states, but the Kazakhs were specifically "covered" on this topic, and the most interesting thing is that there is no return of old names, but simply the etching of the entire Russian and Soviet heritage. And the fact that many say there is an official Russian language is also because many Kazakhs do not speak Kazakh, at least in full.
    1. +9
      16 February 2014 11: 02
      I live in Kazakhstan, there are a lot of friends of Kazakhs, I understand the Kazakh language (well, almost), I always always listen to what Kazakhs speak for myself, I came to the conclusion that young people prefer to speak Russian, business people also speak Russian, mostly .Native people speak mainly in villages and when communicating in families. Even when communicating at home, Kazakhs use Russian verbs, they are more convenient. Purely my notes, I tried to adequately approach everything.
  27. Veteran Vlad.
    +3
    16 February 2014 10: 28
    Let them rename that you are all fed up here. It’s their business to call themselves
    1. +1
      16 February 2014 10: 48
      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
      Let them rename that you are all fed up here. It’s their business to call themselves


      Yes, no one is not fed up, just renaming the economy does not raise. Nazarbayev voiced stupidity fool they say, because of the "mill" foreign investment is bad.
      1. Clegg
        +1
        16 February 2014 10: 55
        Quote: RUSS
        they say, because of the "mill" foreign investment is bad.

        Yes, the argument is stupid, but he is a cautious person and could not say that this is a reference to the Cossack nationalists. After all, the nationalists voiced such an idea for a long time.
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          +1
          16 February 2014 16: 32
          And in Atyrau curtsy! We need to think about what lies behind this! In any case, no one will give Russian offense!
      2. -1
        16 February 2014 12: 01
        Quote: RUSS
        Nazarbayev voiced stupidity

        That's right, it is necessary to work, and not to suffer garbage. Let them call it right away, so as not to rename it later "Cossacks Ate Drank and Salom ate".
        Maybe elections are near in Kazakhstan? Not?
      3. Veteran Vlad.
        +2
        16 February 2014 12: 24
        Quote: RUSS
        Yes, no one has become angry, just renaming the economy cannot be lifted. Nazarbayev voiced the stupidity of fool they say because of the "camp" foreign investment is bad

        This is their business, they are in their homeland.
        Nazarbayev sounded stupidity, saying that because of the "camp" foreign investment is bad. - It's their business how to attract investment
        RUSS - read the comments here, many have really begun to make complaints to Kazakhstan about this
        1. 0
          16 February 2014 13: 28
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          It's their business how to attract investment.


          Firstly, not "theirs", but them.
          Secondly, there is an article - there is discussion, everyone has the right to express their opinion whether they like it or not.
        2. 0
          16 February 2014 13: 38
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          It's their business how to attract investment.

          Parshev has interesting reasoning why investments do not go to the post-Soviet space.
          Andrey Petrovich Parshev "Why Russia is not America."
          1. Veteran Vlad.
            0
            16 February 2014 20: 06
            Quote: Setrac
            Andrey Petrovich Parshev "Why Russia is not America."

            Was reading
            I think a little differently. Investments go where there is order and strict rules that are respected, look at China where the criminals are publicly executed, but investments pour in there - just there the iron order is there, no one will squeeze your business and steal the investment
            1. 0
              18 February 2014 00: 28
              Quote: Veteran Vlad.
              look at china

              For God's sake, what order? Eighty percent of Chinese live in rural areas, still live in subsistence farming. Cheap labor is the reason for the influx of investment. Because the Chinese, because of the climate, the cost of living is EIGHT times less than that of the Russian.
  28. Clegg
    +3
    16 February 2014 10: 28
    I am personally for the Cossack Republic or Qazaq Republic.
    1. +1
      16 February 2014 10: 35
      Quote: Clegg
      I am personally for the Cossack Republic or Qazaq Republic.

      This is a trap and it is also not needed. Then it makes no sense to change the camp if it is again foreign.
      By the way, here again a club for pencil lovers appeared, it turns out to be Stan because, they say, there were Russian people and they controlled it was therefore KazakStan)))))
      1. Clegg
        +1
        16 February 2014 10: 39
        Quote: Yeraz
        By the way, here again a club of pencil lovers appeared, it turns out Stan because, they say, there were Russian people

        Is "Stan" an original Russian word?)))))))))))
        1. 11111mail.ru
          +3
          16 February 2014 11: 01
          Quote: Clegg
          Is "Stan" an original Russian word?)))))))))))

          Excuse me: "And the Russian because in the Türkic, which is the Tatar (Bulgar), this word does not exist. It is only in Russian - it is STANTSIA and STANITSA and STANINA, even VSTAN". Source = http: //tat-etimology.livejournal.com/592.html
          By the way, do you have the ") / 0" key sinking (already 11 times!)? Buy a new keyboard. And if the tremor is in the fingers, then take the pills.
          1. Clegg
            +1
            16 February 2014 11: 07
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            Excuse me: "And Russian because in Türkic, which is Tatar (Bulgar) this word is not

            Who wrote that this word is Turkic?
            1. 11111mail.ru
              +1
              16 February 2014 12: 09
              Quote: Clegg
              Who wrote that this word is Turkic?

              This is the tenth thing.
              Quote: Clegg
              Is "Stan" an original Russian word?)))))))))))

              Quote: Yeraz
              turns out to be Stan

              You refused to oppose the content of my substantiation of "stan", so it is accepted that "stan" is a Russian word.
              1. Clegg
                +2
                16 February 2014 12: 25
                Quote: 11111mail.ru
                You refused to oppose the content of my substantiation of "stan", so it is accepted that "stan" is a Russian word.

                the camp goes back to the Indo-European root “* stā-” (“stand”) and in Persian means “parking place, camp, and then in the modern sense -“ village “and country”. It is related to the Pashtun -tun and the Indo-Aryan sthāna (स्थान in Devanagari).
                1. 11111mail.ru
                  +3
                  16 February 2014 13: 57
                  Quote: Clegg
                  the camp goes back to the Indo-European root "* stā-" ("stand")

                  Good. "We are always glad to the Indo-European root" * stā- "(" to stand ").
                  Thank you for confirming, but Yeraz - does not believe. Stanno, however, Locationaz and not verit.
                  1. Clegg
                    +3
                    16 February 2014 14: 29
                    Quote: 11111mail.ru
                    from and nice. "We are always glad to the Indo-European root" * stā- "(" to stand ").

                    The fact that the word has Indo-European roots does not mean that the word is Russian. Similarly, if one word has a Ural-Altai root, this does not mean that the word is Kazakh, etc.
                    1. 11111mail.ru
                      0
                      16 February 2014 16: 24
                      Quote: Clegg
                      The fact that the word has Indo-European roots does not mean that the word Russian

                      You are surprisingly perspicacious. Even in the Polish language the word station (meaning the railway version) sounds like "stanovisko". However, "stan" is a Russian word. The root is Russian, Slavic.
              2. +1
                16 February 2014 18: 22
                Quote: 11111mail.ru
                This is the tenth thing.

                Not the tenth, nobody wrote this here.
      2. 11111mail.ru
        +3
        16 February 2014 11: 21
        Quote: Yeraz
        By the way, here again a club of pencil lovers appeared

        I am not trying to oppose you in your native language, but if you have already gotten into the process of teaching Russian speakers with your undoubtedly wise thoughts, then try to express them correctly. Your word "appeared" does not fit in meaning with the "club of pencil lovers". The modern pencil was invented by the French scientist Nicola Jacques Conte in 1794. In French "crayon", in English "pencil", in Kazakh "karyndash". It is unlikely that the inventor patented the Turkic version of the name. Grabbed the title - be happy. We grabbed a piece of the Russian Federation out of Eban's kindness - rejoice, for now ... And to rename, or rather his project - whatever the child is amused ...
    2. +2
      16 February 2014 10: 45
      Quote: Clegg
      I am personally for the Cossack Republic or Qazaq Republic.


      "The sum does not change from the change of places of the terms."
    3. 0
      16 February 2014 11: 38
      I am also for! And where do we get so many Cossacks for the population of this republic? And where to put the Kazakhs? Although in Moscow, the feeling is that the Tatar-Mongol invasion happened again! All the Tatar-Mongols abandoned their families here too ...
    4. 0
      16 February 2014 13: 54
      Quote: Clegg
      I am personally for the Cossack Republic or Qazaq Republic.


      Then Kazakhland is better (Kazahland) laughing
      1. Clegg
        +1
        16 February 2014 14: 05
        Quote: RUSS
        Then Kazakhland is better (Kazahland)

        wrong, you need to take from the source in Cossack will be ҚазаҚ. Then there will be Qazaqland, the Germans call themselves Deutschland, according to your logic, they should be called Nemetsland, because you call them Germans.
        1. 0
          16 February 2014 14: 28
          [quote = Clegg] Then there will be Qazaqland, the Germans call themselves Deutschland,

          Well, that’s where they found consensus-Qazaqland!
      2. +1
        16 February 2014 14: 06
        Quote: RUSS
        Then Kazakhland is better (Kazahland)

        Khanate Kazakh-Eli that Nicho laughing
    5. Crawl
      +1
      16 February 2014 16: 01
      Qazaq Republic. This is a mutant, not a name. Republic in Kazakh - "Republics" in non-English Rebublic.
  29. +4
    16 February 2014 10: 42
    all for one purpose to keep people distracted from the problems that exist
    Well, on the one hand, a handout for Kazakh Nazis and a whip for Russians
  30. 0
    16 February 2014 10: 44
    With a high bell tower on them.
  31. +2
    16 February 2014 10: 53
    Let them acquire it as they please, it still won't change anything, it's like renaming the police to the police, the country, as it was a fifth world country, will remain so, I suggest the Kazakhs to call themselves "super-powerful megatechnological country of the hegemon in the whole world" by their own business.
    1. Clegg
      +2
      16 February 2014 11: 01
      Quote: Standard Oil
      we are here in Russia, we’ll give another handout

      Can you give more details about handouts?
  32. serge
    +1
    16 February 2014 10: 58
    Kazakh Fir - this is curious. Maybe it’s better right away - Kazakh Oaks, so that the tree in Nazarbayev’s head can be seen more clearly.
    1. +1
      16 February 2014 11: 10
      Quote: serge
      Kazakh Fir - this is curious. Maybe better right away - Kazakh Oaks

      It does not read like Spruce, but ELI.
      We do not have a division by E and E.
  33. Aydar
    +5
    16 February 2014 11: 06
    It’s time for a person to retire for a long time;
    1. Veteran Vlad.
      +1
      16 February 2014 12: 44
      Quote: Aydar
      It’s time for a person to retire for a long time;

      Well, I don’t know better. But he, unlike ours, did a lot for his Kazakhstan people
  34. Clegg
    -4
    16 February 2014 11: 09
    I understand you funny sounding Kazakh Fir in Russian.

    In the Kazakh language, too, there are no sounds F and C, and therefore your country (RF), we get Resei Pederasiyas.
    1. +3
      16 February 2014 11: 18
      And Vanya Ivanov will sound: Bath Ibanob laughing
      1. Clegg
        +1
        16 February 2014 11: 52
        Quote: Igor39
        And Vanya Ivanov will sound: Bath Ibanob

        fascist like a fascist, well seriously
    2. +1
      16 February 2014 11: 41
      Quote: Clegg
      I understand you funny sounding Kazakh Fir in Russian.

      In the Kazakh language, too, there are no sounds F and C, and therefore your country (RF), we get Resei Pederasiyas.


      Be careful with the statements Your phonetics is weak, otherwise you will write something else ...
    3. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      +1
      16 February 2014 11: 59
      Japan-japon, USA-America Kurama States! What do you want to make such a language? Know at least for the sake of decency 20-30 words from the phrasebook! No eat your Great Russian bile. This is to no one, just in general on the topic so to speak!
    4. 11111mail.ru
      +1
      16 February 2014 12: 00
      Quote: Clegg
      we get Resei Pederasiyas

      Exactly it will turn out when you introduce "Pederasiyasy" to yourself in a known place!
  35. +9
    16 February 2014 11: 15
    Quote: Beck
    Do not overdo it ...
    .... But actually, in most cases, the names that were there from time immemorial were renamed.

    Do not overdo it.
    From time immemorial, the names were Russian: Uralsk, Guryev, Petropavlovsk, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Pavlodar, etc. They were so called by the Russians themselves, who founded them. Starting from the XVI century, the first settlements and fortresses founded by Russia on the territory of modern Kazakhstan began to appear. First, a fortress was built with a military garrison, families were brought in, then a settlement appeared nearby, which later grew into a city. The oldest settlement founded by the Russians in the territory of modern Kazakhstan - the Yaitsky town (subsequently - the city of Uralsk) was founded in 1520. Later, Guryev (1645), Pavlodar (city status since 1861), Verny (1854), Semipalatinsk (1712), Ust-Kamenogorsk (1720), Petropavlovsk (1752), Akmolinsk (1824), Aktyubinsk (1868), Kustanay (Founded) were founded 1879), Kokchetav, Irgiz (1845), Turgai (1845), Kazalinsk (1848) and other smaller urban settlements.
    The former capital of Kazakhstan was also founded by Russians and it was called the city of Verny, only then it was renamed the Kazakh way - Alma-ata.
    1. 0
      16 February 2014 13: 08
      Where in Asia there were cities or fortresses before the Russians, the tsar usually didn’t change their names, sometimes the Russians, when founding the city, came up with some name in the local language, for example, Jalal-Abad. There, where the Uzbek fortresses stood - Tokmak, Pishpek, Auile-Ata ( Vasily Alibabaevich’s homeland) was already renamed three times, Chimkent did not change its name under the tsar. The Uzbek fortress Ak-Mechet was renamed Perovsk, which became the capital of the Kazakh SSR, first Kyzyl-Orda, then Kyzylorda.
  36. +1
    16 February 2014 11: 20
    Quote: siberalt
    There are no jokes with Kazakhstan! laughing
    Interestingly, how many medals did their commander have then?

    Libirasion? These are photos of North Korean generals-DPRK ...
    ... you can look here ... there is another photo ..
    https://www.google.com.ua/search?q=%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE+%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D
    0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2+%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0
    %B9+%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B5&biw=1366&bih=596&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&s
    a=X&ei=02UAU42cF6iF4ATQu4G4Bg&ved=0CCcQsAQ ..можно смотреть тута..
    or google "photos of generals of north korea."
    1. +9
      16 February 2014 11: 26
      Good morning everybody hi

      I read the article. Insanity grows stronger. One state initiates the process of renaming the state of Georgia laughing , the second state initiates the process of renaming Azerbaijan into the Northern Democratic Republic, clearly hinting at claims to the lands of Northern Iran laughing , the third state initiates the process of renaming to the Eastern Republic of Armenia alluding to territorial claims to Turkey .......... and now Kazakhstan.
      Well, as I understand it, there is nothing more to do. While the Central Bank of Kazakhstan depreciated the national currency tenge. By the way, both events coincide. Damn it. am

      I can’t get it at all ?! Why is Putin cautious ?! winkedDirectly declare the desire to create a renewed Union. And then we go around and around.

      Take yes and initiate the process of canceling the Bialowieza Agreements.
      Hold a referendum in Russia with a question-Do you agree with the cancellation of the results of the Bialowieza Agreement.

      Further, peoples in other countries themselves have the right to initiate the process of holding a referendum each in their own republic. What is going on in Azerbaijan is beyond words, something like occupation. People with disabilities burn themselves up, throw people out of their dwellings, under the guise of city beautification, generally keep quiet about the courts, reminiscent of raspberries of godfathers and thieves in law. The police are the personal guard of oligarchs and thieves by definition.Even one branch is not enough for me to lay out all the righteous anger on the "people" who, like bloodsuckers, drink the blood of my people. am am am
      PS It would be great to start the referendum, the poll here on the forum.
      PPSDue of problems with providers, I hardly posted a comment.
      1. Clegg
        +1
        16 February 2014 11: 32
        Quote: Apollon
        Take yes and initiate the process of canceling the Bialowieza Agreements.

        Yes flag in his hands
        1. +7
          16 February 2014 11: 48
          Quote: Clegg
          Yes flag in his hands

          I don’t understand this irony of yours. As I understand it, the existing order suits you, but imagine I don’t like it. Lawlessness, lawlessness and robbery of the people. 5% own all the wealth of Azerbaijan. 95% serve the current system. Personally, I wanted to sneeze for such independence. independence from whom from the Kremlin ?! To get into bondage, it’s unknown from where the unknown oligarchs, who have no clan and no tribe, have fallen on our heads.
          1. Clegg
            0
            16 February 2014 11: 58
            Quote: Apollon
            .As I understand it, the existing order suits you, but imagine I don’t like it. Lawlessness, lawlessness and robbery of the people. 5% own all the wealth of Azerbaijan. 95% serve the current system.

            No, of course, we have huge problems just like yours, and you also have territorial ones. But this does not mean immediately bowing to Russia, for that matter I would prefer this situation over prosperity as part of the Russian Federation.
            1. +3
              16 February 2014 12: 03
              Quote: Clegg
              for that matter, I would prefer this situation over prosperity as part of the Russian Federation.


              Well, who is smart here?
              Like, I’ll be sitting in shit, but mine?
              1. Clegg
                +1
                16 February 2014 12: 14
                Quote: Old Rocketman
                Like, I’ll be sitting in shit, but mine?

                Well, if we turn to primitivism, you are sitting in your "shit", we will be sitting in ours.
                What problems?
            2. +6
              16 February 2014 12: 11
              Quote: Clegg
              No, of course, we have huge problems just like yours,

              This may be your problem, but we have nowhere else to go. Power has crossed all conceivable and unimaginable boundaries.Already behind the red line.
              Quote: Clegg
              you also have territorial

              The most interesting thing is that the current government in Armenia and Azerbaijan has come to power on the crest of this wave and has been afloat to this day.
              Quote: Clegg
              But this does not mean immediately bowing to Russia,

              No one is bowing to Russia, and the situation has gone so far that Russia is fit to free the people of Azerbaijan from occupation.
              Quote: Clegg
              for that matter, I prefer this situation,

              I, unlike you, do not intend to be someone else’s slave and serve the interests of local kings, especially. Independence implies the happiness of the people and not bondage to local nouveau riche.
              Quote: Clegg
              than well-being in the Russian Federation.

              It is in alliance with Russia that I see the happiness of my people.
              1. Clegg
                +1
                16 February 2014 12: 28
                Quote: Apollon
                the situation has gone so far that Russia is fit to free the people of Azerbaijan from occupation.

                By occupation, do you mean Aliyev’s regime?
                Each nation deserves the government that it has, this is the problem of the Azerbaijani people and it must solve it. But does not rely on Russia.

                Quote: Apollon
                It is in alliance with Russia that I see the happiness of my people.

                How many do you have as a percentage?
                1. 0
                  16 February 2014 18: 28
                  Quote: Clegg
                  How many do you have as a percentage?

                  1.2 and ended. hi
                2. FRIGATE2
                  0
                  17 February 2014 22: 16
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Quote: Apollon
                  the situation has gone so far that Russia is fit to free the people of Azerbaijan from occupation.

                  By occupation, do you mean Aliyev’s regime?
                  Each nation deserves the government that it has, this is the problem of the Azerbaijani people and it must solve it. But does not rely on Russia.

                  Quote: Apollon
                  It is in alliance with Russia that I see the happiness of my people.

                  How many do you have as a percentage?

                  Apollo is certainly handsome, he writes articles sometimes interesting, he is also recognized as a moderator on the site.
                  But it seems to me that Apollo is not from the common people, but from the elite. That is, problems, history, mistakes, politics do not concern him in the first place, it seems to me that he lives more in Germany and in the EU zone and sees little life and knows little about the history and politics of the CIS countries.

                  Therefore, he, just like an ordinary site general, writes how the West is rotting, how bad it is there, he writes about gays, although the same West does not force Russia or Kazakhstan to accept gays (he himself does not mind being in Germany).

                  Although I respect him as always, he read all the books of Olzhas Suleimenov and this makes him consider an adequate person.

                  But in the vastness of the site, in comments or unfair remarks, you doubt him and it seems that he is an Azerbaijani, who lived not in Azerbaijan, but in Russia, and on this basis he has a desire to know the history of his people and in this he liked the works of Olzhas Suleimenov.

                  Apollo, I especially don't like it when you indulge the ideas of Putin's Russia.

                  If instead of Putin and the team ruled in Russia, instead of deputies like Zhirinovsky, adequate politicians and built an honest and fair Russia, I would change my citizenship myself and join.

                  In Kazakhstan, the SVAT-NeSvat system was built, and in Russia, the same dangerous OWN-NeSvoy
              2. Veteran Vlad.
                -2
                16 February 2014 13: 17
                Quote: Apollon
                No one is bowing to Russia, and the situation has gone so far that Russia is fit to free the people of Azerbaijan from occupation.

                Apollon - my people are in exactly the same OCCUPATION only he is more powerless in his homeland
                Apollon -Thank you for the letter you wrote to me
              3. +3
                16 February 2014 17: 15
                Quote: Apollon
                It is in alliance with Russia that I see the happiness of my people.


                I agree, there is nothing shameful in this. Maybe ordinary Russian people treated other nations somewhat arrogantly, but never, never Russia forbade other languages ​​and customs, but, on the contrary, in every possible way contributed to the education and prosperity of the outskirts, attracted local elites to management and financed , often to the detriment of their areas.
                Yes, seniority hovered, but fraternity was not at all ridiculous. hi
              4. -2
                16 February 2014 18: 28
                Quote: Apollon
                It is in alliance with Russia that I see the happiness of my people.

                Apollo may already have enough of this happiness, there are not so many lands left ...
                1. +4
                  17 February 2014 19: 51
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Apollo may already have enough of this happiness,

                  Enough of what or rather what happiness ?!
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  there are not so many lands left ...


                  And here is Russia ?! Maybe we recall the nariman narimanov whose monument still stands in Baku.

                  And she can even wave with me without looking. You are here and I am in St. Petersburg. Do not last a month.

                  PSDo not force me to continue to make dirty linen in public.
            3. +4
              16 February 2014 12: 26
              Quote: Clegg
              But this does not mean immediately bowing to Russia

              How old are you? You in the USSR regularly beat off all bowing Russian counterparts? Where does such contempt for himself and his nation come from? Who makes you bow?
              Will it be bad for you if a stronger state, legally and militarily, squeezes your oligarchs and forces them to share denyuzhku?
              1. Clegg
                0
                16 February 2014 12: 31
                Quote: Setrac
                Will it be bad for you if a stronger state, legally and militarily, squeezes your oligarchs and forces them to share denyuzhku?

                Share denyuzhku with whom?
                1. 0
                  16 February 2014 13: 32
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Share denyuzhku with whom?

                  With the state of Kazakhstan and its citizens.
                  1. Clegg
                    +2
                    16 February 2014 13: 41
                    Quote: Setrac
                    With the state of Kazakhstan and its citizens.

                    So support your democrats, or as you call them liberals, and let America as a country that is stronger in martial law over Russia (and this is definitely so) put pressure on your oligarchs / officials to share money with the Russian people.
                    1. +1
                      16 February 2014 13: 47
                      Quote: Clegg
                      let America as a country that is stronger in martial law over Russia (and this is definitely so) put pressure on your oligarchs

                      The United States has more dollars, but the United States is not stronger than Russia, where did you get that the United States is stronger than Russia militarily?
                      Justify your opinion on the strength of the US Army.
                      1. Clegg
                        0
                        16 February 2014 13: 48
                        Quote: Setrac
                        The United States has more dollars, but the United States is not stronger than Russia, where did you get that the United States is stronger than Russia militarily?
                        Justify your opinion on the strength of the US Army.

                        Answer my question, why do not you support America in the fight against your oligarchs?
                      2. 0
                        16 February 2014 13: 52
                        Quote: Clegg
                        Answer my question, why do not you support America in the fight against your oligarchs?

                        Because America DOES NOT FIGHT with our oligarchs. America also does not fight with the oligarchs of Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, but America fights for oil, gas, chromium, manganese, silver and so on.
                      3. Clegg
                        +2
                        16 February 2014 14: 07
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Because America DOES NOT FIGHT with our oligarchs.

                        So create a precedent) It’s already hard for me to believe that Russia will fight with the oligarchs for the well-being of the Cossacks. The usual slogans, cover for imperial politics and nothing more.
                      4. +1
                        16 February 2014 14: 16
                        Quote: Clegg
                        So create a use case)

                        How fun it is with you, the circus is resting. A precedent for what? So far, my last name is not America.

                        Quote: Clegg
                        The usual slogans, cover for imperial politics and nothing more.

                        The problem is that you believe in your independence. And the prose of life is such that leaving the Russian Empire you will find yourself in the American Empire, and in it you will be worse, not even AT TIMES, but IN ORDER.
                      5. +1
                        16 February 2014 16: 38
                        Quote: Clegg
                        why don't you support America in the fight against your oligarchs?

                        because America will never fight the Russian oligarchs, in any case, with those for whom Russia is exclusively a place to earn money
                      6. 0
                        16 February 2014 16: 38
                        Quote: Clegg
                        why don't you support America in the fight against your oligarchs?

                        because America will never fight the Russian oligarchs, in any case, with those for whom Russia is exclusively a place to earn money
          2. Veteran Vlad.
            -3
            16 February 2014 13: 05
            Quote: Apollon
            Lawlessness, lawlessness and robbery of the people. 5% own all the wealth of Azerbaijan. 95% serve the current system. Personally, I wanted to sneeze for such independence. Have you got independence from anyone from the Kremlin?! To get into bondage, it’s unknown and unknown oligarchs who have fallen on our heads. who are without clan and without tribe.

            Just like in Russia, apparently in the post-Soviet space everything is the same. After all, they all came out from the same system from the same system. KOMSOMOLTSY AND PARTNERS
          3. 0
            16 February 2014 18: 27
            Quote: Apollon
            . Personally, I wanted to sneeze at such independence. Have you got independence from anyone from the Kremlin?

            No thanks. In independent Azerbaijan, I will definitely know that evicting Azerbaijanis will not be replaced by Armenians and many other charms. I myself am very dissatisfied with the authorities, but I will not sacrifice freedom because of profit.
            1. Veteran Vlad.
              +1
              17 February 2014 18: 59
              Quote: Yeraz
              No thanks. In independent Azerbaijan, I will definitely know that evicting Azerbaijanis will not be replaced by Armenians and many other charms. I myself am very dissatisfied with the authorities, but I will not sacrifice freedom because of profit.

              HA-HA And then you live in Russia and you make money in Russia, not in Azerbaijan
              1. 0
                17 February 2014 19: 41
                Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                HA-HA And then you live in Russia and you make money in Russia, not in Azerbaijan

                so what? I have the right to blood (relatives shed blood for this city) and the right to land (it is Russia that deprived my relatives of the land) When the lands taken away will be returned, then you can do me the show.
                1. Veteran Vlad.
                  0
                  17 February 2014 20: 00
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  When the lands taken away will be returned, then you can make me present.

                  It’s not true, this is cunning, that’s why you are here. It’s just that you are making big money here and it’s very good and comfortable for you to live here than in Azerbaijan
                  By the way, about lands- Here the Armenians put forward the same claim in their forums: And when Vanya sold western Armenia to Crimea, it was good for the Turks to be Van, and now it’s good that the Crimea was Ukrainian and when the Turks slaughtered with Armenians, Vania connected the Armenian Karabakhs and Azerbaijanis to Azerbaijan
                  You Russians caved in before the Turks when your Lenin created the Republic of Azerbaijan in the ancient land of Armenia in 1922
                  1. -1
                    18 February 2014 21: 19
                    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                    It’s just that you are making big money here and it’s very good and comfortable for you to live here than in Azerbaijan

                    you don’t know me well. In Baku, at my work, I could make grandmothers cooler than here, just to the right of the part I’m not comfortable there because I can’t observe that lawlessness and because of my temper I wouldn’t physically have lived long there. here, lawlessness doesn’t catch as much as the title nation should strain it in the first place.
                2. Veteran Vlad.
                  0
                  17 February 2014 20: 33
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  then you can do me presentations.

                  I did not present you
                  You are not satisfied with the comments of Apollo, but you yourself made Russian citizenship yourself, and you reprimand Apollo for his comments. It looks two-faced and selfish
                  That's why I wrote you
                  I AM AGAINST ANY UNIONS AND ASSOCIATIONS
            2. Veteran Vlad.
              +1
              17 February 2014 19: 29
              Quote: Yeraz
              No thanks. In independent Azerbaijan, I will definitely know that evicting Azerbaijanis will not be replaced by Armenians and many other charms. I myself am very dissatisfied with the authorities, but I will not sacrifice freedom because of profit.

              Quote: "How many like you do you have in percentage terms?"
              1.2 and ended. "
              You are not happy with Apollo or rather his comments, but you yourself have made Russian citizenship
              I am also against the union
      2. itkul
        +4
        16 February 2014 12: 47
        Quote: Apollon
        I’m silent about the courts, reminiscent of raspberries of godfathers and thieves in law


        And you think differently here in Russia, here, admire the family in a row

        http://myasnikovsky.ros.sudrf.ru/modules.php?name=info_court&rid=7

        Organizational Structure
        Myasnikovsky District Court of the Rostov Region

        Chairman of the Myasnikovsky District Court of the Rostov Region
        SHMARION VITALIY IGOREVICH

        Assistant to the President of the Court - Sonya Paragyan Baghdasarovna
        The clerk of the court session is Keveyan Anait Vladimirovna

        Federal judge
        MELKONYAN LEVON ARDAVAZDOVICH

        Assistant Judge - Aleksanyan Eric Tsenzikovich
        The secretary of the court session is Babasinyan Alla Mesropovna
        Federal judge
        DAGLDYAN MARTIN GRIGORIEVICH

        Assistant Judge - Argamanyan Gohar Haykazovna
        The secretary of the hearing - Babiyan Galina Mikaelovna

        Federal judge
        KILAFYAN ZHANETTA VALERIEVNA

        Assistant Judge - Dagldiyan Roza Valerievna
        The secretary of the court session is Gondzhiyan Vera Khachekhparovna

        Office Department

        Chief Specialist - Kristosturyan Shohagat Khachaturovna
        Specialist of the 3rd category - Sekizyan Marina Seyranovna
        Specialist 3 discharged - Khachatryan Shushanna Eduardovna
        Consultant - Gaybaryan Victoria Seropovna
        The secretary of the hearing - Berekchiyan Markos Sergeevich

        Administrator
        Torpujiyan Khachatur Gevorkovich
        1. Veteran Vlad.
          +1
          16 February 2014 13: 27
          Quote: itkul
          And you think differently here in Russia, here, admire the family in a row

          http://myasnikovsky.ros.sudrf.ru/modules.php?name=info_court&rid=7

          Organizational Structure
          Myasnikovsky District Court of the Rostov Region

          it’s not only in the Rostov region, it is in the Krasnodar Territory and not only in the courts
          Read the forums of Armenia or SAR Union of Armenians of Russia - Tasks and purpose of the SAR in the Russian Federation
        2. +1
          16 February 2014 13: 31
          Quote: itkul
          here, admire ...

          Credit!
  37. +1
    16 February 2014 11: 28
    Quote: Clegg
    Quote: name
    Kazakhstan's external debt in January-September of the 2013 year increased from 136,925 billion to 147,965 billion

    Debt guaranteed by the state is not more than 5 percent, the rest is private sector debt. So I don’t see a particular problem.

    The fact is that under large loans the state gives a guarantee. Private owner, there is today, but tomorrow he is not - to pay the state.
  38. Refugee from Kazakhstan
    +1
    16 February 2014 11: 29
    Here the fun begins! This is an application for recognition of the status of an internally displaced person, where the traveler is obliged to indicate this in clause 12:

    12. Indicate the reasons why you and your family members left (intend to leave) their former place of permanent residence. Give the facts of the violence or harassment in other forms committed against you or your family members or a real danger of being persecuted on the grounds and circumstances specified in art. 1 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. You can attach any available documents confirming this to the application.

    Then the traveler is forced to come up with facts of oppression and prosecution from the ceiling!
    If these facts do not exist and the application is filled out in a form, the refusal automatically comes, and you already live in Russia with your property and are removed from all accounts in the Republic of Kazakhstan! What do you think? So it remains to come up with stories about the evil Kazakhs who steal children, cut and rape Russians on the street, fire them for being Russian! ALL THIS LIE I KNOW ALONG AND CROSS!
    There is one more point according to the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. There are restrictions on the ownership of property if you wish to receive this status, which means that if you no longer receive this status in the FMS!
    I read an article on VO why the majority of those who did not take advantage of this program, by the way, there the women on the video talked about bureaucracy in the FMS regarding them and other tales that their Kazakhs supposedly steal children from Russians (bullshit, because there are mothers of cuckoos like so Kazakh enough). TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH: Most of those who did not use this program due to the fact that they are not any refugees, ARE LEAVING SIMPLY FOR THEIR MOTHERLAND, WHERE THEIR PARTY IS FROM
  39. +5
    16 February 2014 11: 39
    Nazarbayev, an old functionary of the CPSU, what they fed in the buffets of the Kremlin "loyal Leninists and Stalinists from fraternal peoples", who went crazy in their old age, everyone wants to become Tsars or Sultans.
    Well, how can people not understand at this level that the greatness of almost all fraternal republics is BLOW !!!
    All or almost all AT THE ACCOUNT OF RUSSIA, UKRAINE AND BELARUS - CONTAINED !!!!!!!
    Probably from the donated territory (9th place in the world) for 17 million of the population "The roof burst" ...)))
    New OAE damn it ..!
    What will they do when the Chinese clean up all the mineral development, when (God forbid) transfer Baikonur to the Far East ...?))) I think again to Russia for help ...?
    1. +7
      16 February 2014 12: 02
      Nazarbayev is a nationalist. Officially not radical, but it does not change its essence.
      1. fall
        -1
        25 March 2014 15: 21
        Then you are now biting MUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This makes me happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. rezident
      -3
      16 February 2014 15: 38
      And who gave something? I do not understand.
  40. +3
    16 February 2014 11: 44
    Even the most odious individuals who tried to rewrite history for themselves failed only because they ceased to see ordinary people behind their ambitions, which meant they lost touch with the outside world, and sometimes their human appearance. Therefore, there will not be anything surprising if, even after a short historical period, there is another reformer who will rewrite Kazakh names in Chinese, Arabic or some other, for the convenience of foreign investors.
    In addition, a sharp devaluation of the national currency and inept attempts to justify itself do not add popularity to such initiatives, which ultimately result in additional billion-dollar losses for the entire country.
  41. +5
    16 February 2014 11: 59
    Quote: Nikolay S.
    Quote: Author Alexander Shustov
    According to the deputy of the parliament, the chairman of the party of the national association "Cossack Eli" E. Abylkasymov, modern youth "does not need a constant reminder of the suffering of the Kazakh people in the past, that we have been under the heel of another, more powerful people for almost three centuries."


    After these words, I personally regret that the white king accepted the khans of the younger and middle zhuzes into his citizenship after their numerous requests. Maybe it would be better if everything went as it went, and the Jungars would slaughter Kazakhs. Probably the Jungars would be a more grateful people.

    Russia has not raped anything from these nomads, it has only spent its resources on the construction of cities, schools, hospitals, factories, oil fields - TOTAL. Now they are trading us our same cosmodrome.

    Three hundred times you need to think before you help. And then in the same Asia there are still many in need with claims that Russia helped them a little. Russians were overpowered and in need.

    Always think whether you will be damned for your work, for your knowledge and your penny, for your generosity and kindness.

    I completely agree with the author, except for one point, if Russia does not help Kazakhstan, then very soon Kazakhstan will become part of the PRC.
    1. +2
      16 February 2014 12: 14
      Quote: Homeless
      if Russia does not help Kazakhstan, then very soon Kazakhstan will become part of the PRC.


      Ну и что?
      Firstly, the Chinese will immediately cut off all Central Asian drug trafficking.
      Secondly, for the period of resettlement and development of new lands, and this is a long time, they will forget about territorial claims against Russia.
      So this option is bad only for Kazakh Fir.
      1. +2
        16 February 2014 12: 21
        They will cut off the Central Asian and establish their own, from China and the Golden Triangle.
        But it is not difficult to master new lands for China. Kazakhstan will be flooded within a week. :)))
    2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      +2
      16 February 2014 12: 40
      Your quantity does not give out quality!
    3. 0
      16 February 2014 13: 03
      So let them feel historical justice (the difference between Russia and China), but for now let them revel in their independence!
    4. striker
      +2
      16 February 2014 16: 14
      Quote: Homeless
      if Russia does not help Kazakhstan, then very soon Kazakhstan will become part of the PRC.

      If PART OF Kazakhstan becomes part of the PRC, it will be a boon to the Russian ethnos both in Russia and in the former Republic of Kazakhstan.
      After Nazarbayev "moves his horses" Russia must share this geopolitical misunderstanding - "Kazakhstan" with China along the Aral-Balkhash line.
      Let the Southeast part go to the Chinayos, and the Russians will regain the northern lands, which historically belonged to the Semirechensky Cossacks, and the western Caspian part.
      This will cut off Tajik drug traffic from Russia at once and block the "great Central Asian migrant worker path." And from the demoniac Islamists from the IMU and Hizb-ut-Tahrir, the Han people will cover our southern borders more reliably than any "nomads".

      Well, for the Kazakhs (you have to evict them somewhere), so be it - let's leave the Karaganda region. Enough for them and "Great Karaganda". laughing
    5. The comment was deleted.
  42. Beck
    +1
    16 February 2014 12: 22
    BUT IN GENERAL.

    WHAT I DO IS HOW I WILL NAME THE VIETNAM COUNTRY OR ANYONE ELSE, THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS. WHAT SOME PERCEPTIONS.

    NOBODY DOESN'T DRINK THAT RUSSIA AT ITS TIME RENAMED TO RUSSIA. WELL, SO RUSSIANS WANTED AND GOD WITH THEM.
    1. 0
      16 February 2014 15: 25
      Is it according to the principle: "at least call it a pot, don't put it in the oven"?
      In my opinion, such an ease in dealing with the homeland and one’s own history is very similar to simplicity, which is worse than theft.
  43. +1
    16 February 2014 12: 25
    Or maybe they take an example from us in renaming? Look how crime trembles after the appearance of the POLICE in Russia!
    1. Beck
      +1
      16 February 2014 17: 18
      Quote: treskoed
      Or maybe they take an example from us in renaming? Look how crime trembles after the appearance of the POLICE in Russia!


      There are deeper roots. And the police are right.

      Police are self-organizing squads of local residents providing order in natural disasters. Protection of housing from looters, suppression of permissiveness of the inadequate and in the territories devastated by the war and where the power has not yet come.

      The police is a state institution. Police in the USSR arose as propaganda. Like, we are not police officers of the tsarist regime, but a national squad.
  44. 128mgb
    +3
    16 February 2014 12: 34
    Interestingly, all the former "colonies" having received "independence" are gradually returning to the state they were in before the "occupation". As for the renaming, I will say this - the sum does not change from the change in the places of the terms. And the terms remain the same.
  45. +5
    16 February 2014 12: 57
    Kazakhs survive the Russians. They still haven’t cut it open, but they keep a stone in their bosom. the Russian police are no longer there. And they are arrogant towards the russians, especially the youth.
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      +4
      16 February 2014 16: 39
      I’ll definitely tell our head of the ODP (GAI) Grigory Borisovich let the nation change (it’s easier for him to do this than change your brains)!
      1. -2
        16 February 2014 18: 43
        ) surely) those who do not want to go under the Kazakhs to Russia are returning. often to an empty place.
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          +1
          16 February 2014 19: 56
          Why beneath them they have enough of their women! And what should he do there, he was born here, his father, his grandfather, great-grandfather lives, does not bow to anyone, man with dignity! If a normal person will respect him everywhere. If you think that Kazakhs think differently, these are your genetic difficulties.
    2. Power
      +1
      16 February 2014 22: 45
      All Gaster home, the fifth column on the count. Immediately everything, Russia will truly love
  46. 5pgpat5
    0
    16 February 2014 13: 05
    and what are our presidents waiting for? The United States of Eurasia, and you see we will live better.
  47. +1
    16 February 2014 13: 15
    What a colony of Kazakhstan - don’t tell the old colonel! They want to rename the state, let them rename it, it’s their right, the will of the people, so to speak (For my dear Proletarsk, the former Cossack district village of Velikoknyazheskaya). By the way, since we have called Proletarsky, we have been flying around by all accounts and around!
    1. brb
      brb
      +2
      16 February 2014 15: 14
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      the will of the people

      Not. Many do not want to.
  48. Cossack Mercenary
    +1
    16 February 2014 13: 43
    They already consider themselves Cossacks ...
    1. Clegg
      +3
      16 February 2014 13: 46
      Quote: Cossack Mercenary
      They already consider themselves Cossacks ...

      Kazak Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic (Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Kazakstan) (Kazakh. Qazaq Aptonom Sotsijalistik Sovettik Respublikas, Qazaƣstan, Kazakh. [1].
      It existed from June 15, 1925 to December 5, 1936. It got its name from the renaming of the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic into the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic [2]. In 1936 it was transformed into the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic [3].

      remove the Soviet and socialist, will be the Cossack Republic.
  49. +1
    16 February 2014 13: 57
    Quote: Yerlan
    Yes, there is one.
    I just can’t understand why, with such manic persistence, our authorities regularly carry out a shock devaluation. That in 2009, and this year they dropped by 20-25% in one day. Although in Russia at the same time, the rate was decreasing systematically and for several months, which I consider less painful for the population!
    We are stubbornly taldychat that everything is in order and there are no reasons for devaluation, keep your money in national currency on deposits, and then bang and excuse me.
    At the same time, they hypocritically convince us that this is also good for us!


    Erlan States are waging war against Russia and China, and Kazakhstan simply wound on a universal joint !!! And then it will only get worse. The only way to ensure the further development of Kazakhstan is the Eurasian Union and a single currency.
    1. +3
      16 February 2014 17: 18
      Quote: concept1
      Erlan States are waging war against Russia and China, and Kazakhstan simply wound on a universal joint !!!

      That's for sure. First, the goal is the Union (and maybe Russia initially). It can only be destroyed with the help of nationalism. And the communists have prepared everything. Well, or postponed (how to look), republics appeared. Nationalists will fight to hysterics, we sit in a bucket, but we want it that way. Therefore, this is the best material for this, and religion is to help (divide). Nationalities themselves will not gain anything in the general civilization plan, on the contrary, as well as economically. Only a handful of oligarchs (local bais) whom the Americans always try to take under the hood (and rule). The example of Ukraine is indicative in all respects. We have all this in Russia. In modern conditions, even the United States (with the appearance of some weakness) in the Pacific Ocean basin started talking about an economic union. All other competitors are subject to destruction. I'm not talking about one-step action (although there is one), but rather about the direction of their movement. If someone flatters himself with the hope “we’ll jump out,” then the forces are wrong. Even the EU falls under this pressure. Recently, they started talking about self-determination. Everyone knows about pulling out the spiritual core and all tolerance. About the attitude of Americans to the EU, according to conversations in Ukraine, the same. Therefore, nationalism in any form, water to their mill. The main thing is that they do not unite, according to the situation they will come up with something else. If now in a parache it will not be better, for any. So any combination of weak economies into one more powerful (albeit in the form of a CU) is our chance. I'm not talking about the appearance of other players, they will obviously not think about us.
  50. +3
    16 February 2014 13: 58
    Are "Turkmen Bashi" laurels not allowed to sleep?
    Why didn’t Nazarbay eat?
    Come on, Cossack ate - alғa yrғu! Back to the steppe.
  51. +2
    16 February 2014 14: 05
    Ate is a word similar to the English nation, i.e. denotes both people and country.
  52. +4
    16 February 2014 14: 10
    So, on February 6, during a visit to the Intellectual School of Atyrau, President Nursultan Nazarbayev proposed abandoning the name “Kazakhstan” in favor of “Kazak Eli” (“Kazakh people”).

    Change the name to “Kazakh people.” This is another attack against Russia and the Russian people, aimed at securing the territories that they suddenly got after the collapse of the USSR. We must not forget that Kazakhstan has the same occupation regime as in other republics of the USSR. The idea of ​​de-Russification The territory of the former Russian Empire is not new. The overseas owners do not hide this. But the die-hard Kazakh pseudo-nationalists do not understand (or maybe they do?) that they will not be able to retain this territory in the future. And in the future, if they continue the same policy, they will lose that pseudo-sovereignty that they still have.
    1. rezident
      +1
      16 February 2014 16: 03
      I don't understand? Most rulers want to see their nation unified. Why does Nazarbayev need a Russian-speaking majority in the north of the country so that in case of some kind of conflict they separate like Transnistria or Karabakh? In this regard, he is trying correctly. Likewise, in Russia, why does it need a second state Tatar or Komi-Permyat language in order to raise small-town nationalists? she needs it.
      1. +3
        16 February 2014 16: 53
        Quote: rezident
        Likewise in Russia, why does it need a second state

        Russian Federation Russians more than 80% Tatars about 3%, and in Tatarstan if you don’t know Tatar is also the state language
        RK Kazakhs 63.6% Russians 23.3%, and at the time of the formation of the RK, Kazakhs were a minority; the number of Russians decreased, including due to ethnic pressure.
        so your comparison with Tatarstan is, to put it mildly, incorrect
      2. +1
        16 February 2014 16: 53
        Quote: rezident
        Likewise in Russia, why does it need a second state

        Russian Federation Russians more than 80% Tatars about 3%, and in Tatarstan if you don’t know Tatar is also the state language
        RK Kazakhs 63.6% Russians 23.3%, and at the time of the formation of the RK, Kazakhs were a minority; the number of Russians decreased, including due to ethnic pressure.
        so your comparison with Tatarstan is, to put it mildly, incorrect
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          -1
          16 February 2014 19: 45
          Then rename Russia the Federation of Nationalities of Russia! How is it that Russia is the land of Russians?
          1. +4
            16 February 2014 19: 58
            Quote: RK refugee
            How is it that Russia is the land of Russians?

            and Russia is really the land of Russians, only for me it’s Russian and Bagration, and Bagromyan, and Musa Gareev
            for me, Russian is not the color of eyes, skin or hair - it’s someone who is ready to die for Russia, it’s Soul and Heart
            1. 0
              16 February 2014 20: 09
              Vasilenko, get yourself a normal Internet connection, or turn off the torrent when you post on the site. So there’s a whole sheet of comments, and your “comment was deleted” is everywhere.
              1. The comment was deleted.
              2. +1
                16 February 2014 20: 12
                Quote: Zymran
                Vasilenko, get yourself a normal Internet connection, or turn off the torrent when you post on the site. So there’s a whole sheet of comments, and your “comment was deleted” is everywhere.


                first we didn’t herd sheep together
                second no, I’m quite normal
                third, this site conflicts with IE
                1. -1
                  16 February 2014 20: 39
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  first we didn’t herd sheep together


                  No need to be rude, swineherd.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  second no, I’m quite normal


                  No, yours is not normal.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  third, this site conflicts with IE


                  The problem is not with the browser, but with the quality of the Internet.
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2014 20: 48
                    Quote: Zymran
                    No need to be rude, swineherd.

                    watch your language "dear"
                    Quote: Zymran
                    The problem is not with the browser, but with the quality of the Internet.

                    I didn’t communicate with the admins, rude
                2. +1
                  16 February 2014 20: 40
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  third, this site conflicts with IE

                  Put it on Google...
                  PS Happy promotion! hi
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2014 20: 51
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Put it on Google.

                    I don’t like it, they support fagots
                    there are reasons why I use it when I have all the glitches
                    Now I've turned on Yandex because I'm not doing anything else, the glitches are gone
                    1. +2
                      16 February 2014 20: 55
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      I don’t like it, they support fagots

                      Yah .... belay
                      Then I don’t ask about sprats fellow
                      1. +1
                        16 February 2014 21: 05
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Yah ....

                        yes
                        http://www.1tvnet.ru/content/topics/google/lgbt
                      2. +1
                        16 February 2014 21: 27
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        yes

                        Well... Of course...
                        I have a search engine from Mail.ru
          2. The comment was deleted.
  53. +3
    16 February 2014 14: 27
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: RUSS
    Then Kazakhland is better (Kazahland)

    Khanate Kazakh-Eli that Nicho laughing

    If they really want to return to history, then let them remember that on the maps of the Russian Empire their lands were called “Land of the Kyrgyz-Kaisaks” and let them dance from this name.
    1. +2
      16 February 2014 15: 00
      Quote: July
      “Land of the Kyrgyz-Kaisaks” and let them dance from this name.

      So these dancers are hindered by EVERYTHING except their ambitions wassat
  54. +2
    16 February 2014 15: 03
    Personally, I don’t like this initiative, but it’s surprising why Russians care what our country will be called?
  55. parus2nik
    +2
    16 February 2014 15: 14
    What lengths will the government go to, just not to work, and to distract people from their thoughts...
  56. +4
    16 February 2014 15: 30
    All according to plan.
    "...Decolonization is a stage that must be passed through. Then the Kazakhization of non-Kazakhs will follow.
    ... We see that the future of the Kazakhs lies in the Kazakhization of the entire population as a result of ethnosocial mobilization and in the transformation of the multinational into post-ethnic Kazakhstan. ”
    Azimbai GALI."
    Wise and experienced in behind-the-scenes matters, Nazarbayev never deviated from his plans to create a purely national state.
    1. Clegg
      0
      16 February 2014 20: 04
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      All according to plan.
      "...Decolonization is a stage that must be passed through. Then the Kazakhization of non-Kazakhs will follow.
      ... We see that the future of the Kazakhs lies in the Kazakhization of the entire population as a result of ethnosocial mobilization and in the transformation of the multinational into post-ethnic Kazakhstan. ”
      Azimbai GALI."


      Oo here I am quoting the respected political scientist Azimbay aga. By the way, if you can call it that, he is your ally on some issues))) He opposed the restoration of the Latin alphabet.
      1. +1
        16 February 2014 20: 34
        Not an oppositionist? Well, I didn't expect it.
        But the program is one to one with Nazarbayev’s.
        1. Clegg
          0
          16 February 2014 21: 07
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          Not an oppositionist? Well, I didn't expect it

          I don’t think that he is an oppositionist, he positions himself as a statist.
  57. +2
    16 February 2014 15: 40
    Quote: Was Mammoth
    Wise and experienced in behind-the-scenes affairs Nazarbayev

    It is the word - Aldar Kose (the beardless deceiver wink )
    1. +3
      16 February 2014 15: 45
      Quote: July
      It is a word - Aldar Kose

      He did a lot to raise the prestige of Kazakhstan. But I have no doubt that he is a nationalist and resourceful. Suffice it to remember how he came to power.
  58. +1
    16 February 2014 15: 42
    Quote: Beck
    Rus' AT ONE TIME WAS RENAMED TO RUSSIA. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE RUSSIANS WANTED AND GOD IS WITH THEM.

    And who and how found out that “the Russians wanted it that way”? Were they somehow asked about this and did they somehow speak out about it?
    1. rezident
      0
      16 February 2014 16: 19
      Well, it's better for you to see.
    2. Beck
      +1
      16 February 2014 17: 23
      Quote: demotivator
      And who and how found out that “the Russians wanted it that way”? Were they somehow asked about this and did they somehow speak out about it?


      Do you know for sure that you didn’t want to? If they didn’t want to, then why call them that? And it seems to me that you are confusing the proclamation of the Russian Federation by Yeltsin and the concept of Russia, which arose in ancient times. Even under Ivan the Terrible there was Rus', and then somehow it slowly became Russia and probably no one will name the exact date.
      1. +1
        16 February 2014 17: 42
        Quote: Beck
        And it seems to me that you are confusing the proclamation of the Russian Federation by Yeltsin and the concept of Russia, which arose in ancient times.

        The concept of “Russian Empire” arose under the Romanovs, what antiquities are you talking about? On some maps, the state of Grand Tartarus was located on the territory of the WHOLE USSR and some adjacent territories.
        1. Beck
          +4
          16 February 2014 18: 39
          Quote: Setrac
          On some maps, the state of Grand Tartarus was located on the territory of the WHOLE USSR and some adjacent territories.


          Well, yes. Definitely Grand Tartarus. And other maps show branches of Grand Tartarus; in North America, on Tierra del Fuego, on the Fiji Islands, on the sunken Atlantis and on the far side of the Moon.

          And that's not it. Enthusiasts use telescopes to look for other branches of Gran Tartarus on other planets, other solar systems.

          The search for insanity has no limits.
        2. FRIGATE2
          -2
          17 February 2014 21: 33
          Quote: Setrac
          In some adjacent territories there was the state of Grand Tartarus.

          Yes, you can’t envy the level of secondary education in Russia.

          If the Russian people are lazy in something, it’s not in work, but in mental education, laziness and reading school courses? come on, it’s better to listen to the inadequate Fomenko and others like them.

          After all, reading the entire school course takes so long, it’s so difficult, but reading a book that is not recognized even by the Russian Academy of Sciences itself is easy, it’s not enough to read and also read what you want to read and not objective history.
          1. 0
            17 February 2014 22: 02
            Quote: FRIGATE2
            come on, it’s better to listen to the inadequate Fomenko and others like them.

            have you personally read Fomenko?
          2. -2
            18 February 2014 00: 31
            Quote: FRIGATE2
            Yes, you can’t envy the level of secondary education in Russia.


            Perhaps Fomenko drew his map in the Encyclopedia Britannica? And also unknown enthusiasts!

            Quote: Beck
            Enthusiasts use telescopes to look for other branches of Gran Tartarus on other planets, other solar systems.
          3. ekzorsist
            -1
            28 February 2014 21: 00
            ...Exactly the most moronic formation in KZ, no one has ever come up with a more stupid one to take away the palm from the Kazakhs.
  59. rezident
    -8
    16 February 2014 15: 54
    Nazarbayev, in general, is a good president, quiet, balanced, without quirks in the spirit of the Turkmen-bashi, albeit with all the dictatorial eastern habits, but this can be forgiven for him, but he knows his job and is firmly committed to it. As for colonization, I agree that it happened. No people have ever entered anywhere voluntarily.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        -3
        16 February 2014 18: 48
        The daughters of Great Russian chauvinists LIKE YOU are now at discos in the men's toilets of the Caucasians! S!O!S!U!T!
        1. +5
          16 February 2014 19: 08
          Quote: RK refugee
          The daughters of Great Russian chauvinists LIKE YOU are now at discos in the men's toilets of the Caucasians! S!O!S!U!T!

          A scoundrel and a scoundrel.
        2. Alex 241
          +3
          16 February 2014 19: 18
          Quote: RK refugee
          outhouse
          Another outhouse theorist!
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            0
            16 February 2014 19: 36
            Read SMOKI's comment! Rudeness upon rudeness! Don't decide ahead of time!
            1. +2
              16 February 2014 20: 23
              Quote: RK refugee
              Rudeness upon rudeness!

              First Blood - direct path to the bathhouse.
              1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
                +3
                16 February 2014 20: 32
                I know it sounds stupid, but he started it first! Why did no one reprimand him when he wrote ABOUT BLOWJOBING HIS SON?
                1. +2
                  16 February 2014 20: 48
                  Quote: RK refugee
                  Why did no one reprimand him when he wrote ABOUT BLOWJOBING HIS SON?

                  This is discrimination, brother. Here, when you need cultural ones, when you need uncultured ones. But the second is not noticed, and only and only the first is emphasized. As you understand, we are usually carriers of the second by birth. Well, that’s what they think from birth))
                  1. +3
                    16 February 2014 21: 00
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    Here, when you need cultural ones, when you need uncultured ones

                    How do you consider yourself?
                2. Beck
                  +4
                  17 February 2014 00: 36
                  Quote: Smoke
                  after some time, the daughters or granddaughters of Kazakh chauvinists who write here on this forum will give blowjobs to my son


                  Quote: RK refugee
                  The daughters of Great Russian chauvinists LIKE YOU are now at discos in the men's toilets of the Caucasians! S!O!S!U!T!


                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  A scoundrel and a scoundrel.


                  Quote: RK refugee
                  Another outhouse theorist!


                  The authors of the last two comments are Stalkervarker and Alex, do you have selective indignation? You condemn the effect and remain silent about the Cause. Are you deliberately ignoring the logic that without a cause there would be no effect?

                  You allow a boor, a scoundrel and a scoundrel to insult people, and there is only one reason for this permission - He is Russian and insults non-Russians. In your opinion, this is possible and appropriate, and in your souls it is commendable.

                  But when a scoundrel, a boor and a scoundrel are answered in kind, you have a storm of condemnation. Bad, indecent, double-dealing, disgusting to say the least.
                  1. +2
                    17 February 2014 01: 23
                    Quote: Beck
                    The authors of the last two comments are Stalkervarker and Alex, do you have selective indignation?

                    Yes. I didn’t notice, unfortunately (the nubuck slowed down when the page was open - unread posts were “closed”).
                    Thanks for the tip.
                    hi
                    1. Beck
                      +1
                      17 February 2014 02: 28
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Yes. I didn’t notice, unfortunately (the nubuck slowed down when the page was open - unread posts were “closed”).
                      Thanks for the tip.


                      I greet adequate people. And what I didn’t notice - sometimes, the main thing is that I understood everything.

                      hi
      2. The comment was deleted.
  60. +2
    16 February 2014 16: 43
    Quote: rezident
    overall a good president

    from the point of view of the interests of the Republic of Kazakhstan as a country, he is a mediocrity who destroyed industry for the sake of traders and his beloved
    Quote: rezident
    As for colonization, I agree that it happened. No people have ever entered anywhere voluntarily

    Are you a victim of the Unified State Exam? Undoubtedly, there were opponents of annexation, but in general and in general.
  61. 0
    16 February 2014 16: 44
    The Kazakhs decided to name their country Kazakh Eli. Yes, even the United States of Kazakhstan. Who cares what the Kazakhs want to call their country.

    I advise these people who are protesting to just drink a glass of water. Believe me, it helps)) laughing
    1. +3
      16 February 2014 17: 11
      Quote: lonely
      The Kazakhs decided to name their country Kazakh Eli. Yes, even the United States of Kazakhstan. Who cares what the Kazakhs want to call their country.

      I advise these people who are protesting to just drink a glass of water. Believe me, it helps)) laughing


      I found a few comments who are specifically against this particular new name for Kazakhstan; the question is about the advisability of the renaming, and about the fact that there are more serious problems.
    2. +1
      16 February 2014 17: 29
      Well then, We need to call Russia the State of Russians. And lay G from a high bell tower on all other nations?
      1. 0
        16 February 2014 17: 43
        Quote: mr.rafael-r
        Well then, We need to call Russia the State of Russians. And lay G from a high bell tower on all other nations?

        Civil war, population reduction by half, interventionist invasion, cessation of the existence of Russia as a state.
      2. Beck
        -1
        19 February 2014 16: 35
        Quote: mr.rafael-r
        Well then, We need to call Russia the State of Russians. And lay G from a high bell tower on all other nations?


        A completely acceptable option. But in this case, in order to avoid unrest, protests, riots, and blood, you need to release the Caucasus, Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Chuvashia, Tuva, Buryatia, Yakutia, Komi and others into independence.

        Then the Russian State will truly remain.

        But does Russia need this? NO NEED, Russia has no use for it. It’s only the Urashniks who, without thinking, are pouring grist into the mill of separatism. And it seems that just recently the Kremlin declared that statements about separatism should be severely punished. And your statement truly pushes the subjects of the federation towards separatism.

        If there is no oil in your head to lubricate your thoughts, you won’t be able to fill the car.
        1. ekzorsist
          -1
          28 February 2014 21: 14
          ...Why the hell do the Kazakhs???
          As well as universal provision of health services to the population? Wholesale renaming of cities, streets, demolition of monuments to V.I. Lenin, heroes of the Great Patriotic War, construction of ugly elephant-like “monuments” called “heroes of the Kazakhs” ??? What is the value of a 10-meter-high “sculpture” installed in one God-forsaken village, either a khan, or a bai, or maybe someone else, for taxpayers’ money (without their consent), but with enormous pomp and a squeal of “joy” ", on the site of a modest 1,5 meter high plaster monument to V.I. Lenin and a little further away the monument to Nastya Prokopich, which were quietly demolished at night...
          Yes, this village needs agricultural machinery and seeds and fertilizers, and not this ugly, arrogant pedestal!
          So, what do the Kazakhs need???
    3. +4
      16 February 2014 17: 29
      Quote: lonely
      I advise these people who are protesting to just drink a glass of water. Believe me, it helps)


      You would advise yourself to sort things out in your country. Who are you? Listen to you, everything is fine in Azerbaijan, but for some reason I trust Apollo more.
      1. 0
        16 February 2014 19: 34
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        You would advise yourself to sort things out in your country. Who are you? Listen to you, everything is fine in Azerbaijan, but for some reason I trust Apollo more.


        Firstly, it’s your right to trust whom. I’m not asking for trust))
        Secondly, where did you notice that I advise someone? The emphasis of the comment is that this is a matter purely for the citizens of Kazakhstan, and not for you and me. They themselves will decide what to call their country. And any protests or approval from the outside should be deeply indifferent.
        Thirdly, you trust Apollo, but I don’t. And each of us has our own reasons.

        Fourthly, there is a forum here. Kazakhstan is a close, friendly country. And I am not indifferent to what is happening there. And I’m just expressing my opinion here, just like you.
        And at the very end, don’t worry about Azerbaijan. I don’t argue. We also have certain problems. But in solving these problems, unlike some, we do not rely on others. And we try to solve all this on our own. hi
  62. +8
    16 February 2014 17: 26
    I don’t want (and won’t) live in a country where the leader has destined 30% of the population to be simply hard workers based on their nationality. Kazakhs, remind us in what message Nazer said - with the Kazakh mind and Russian hard work, he will build prosperity in Kazakhstan.

    And there’s no need to pretend that there were no such words.

    This is exactly the attitude towards Russians that is being formed in Kazakhstan. If Nazer’s words are not an argument, then how should we evaluate the intrigues that the elite are building for those leaving for permanent residence in Russia?

    And this is disgusting - those leaving need to get permission to leave! (with the herali on a spree, I have to ask anyone for permission????) To do this, you need to get approval from all authorities - traffic police, tax, bailiffs, etc., etc., even the education department in the akimat can veto the departure if They cannot provide a certificate from a school in the Russian Federation confirming their children’s admission to school!!!!! and the worst thing is that some of the certificates are really in a very short period of time.

    Fortunately, in Russia this permission is not needed at all (it’s a pity for wasted time and money). I don’t have this piece of paper, but I received citizenship. I received it a week ago)))))

    Vladimir Vasilenko, I will describe in detail the entire necessary path on the Russians of Kazakhstan website (when it is unblocked). If you are interested, read it. Although you don’t need it anymore)))))). but it will be useful to friends from KZ. ))))
    1. +4
      16 February 2014 17: 31
      Quote: mr.rafael-r
      AI, tax, bailiffs, etc., etc., even the education department in the akimat can veto departure if they are not provided with a certificate from a school in the Russian Federation about admitting children to school!!!!! and the worst thing is that some of the certificates are really in a very short period of time.

      or they may not give it, I left essentially illegally, they didn’t want to give me permission
    2. +1
      16 February 2014 17: 31
      Quote: mr.rafael-r
      AI, tax, bailiffs, etc., etc., even the education department in the akimat can veto departure if they are not provided with a certificate from a school in the Russian Federation about admitting children to school!!!!! and the worst thing is that some of the certificates are really in a very short period of time.

      or they may not give it, I left essentially illegally, they didn’t want to give me permission
    3. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      0
      16 February 2014 20: 21
      What did you write in paragraph 12 of the application for forced migrant status? Honestly!
      1. +4
        16 February 2014 20: 24
        Quote: RK refugee
        What did you write in paragraph 12 of the application for forced migrant status? Honestly

        Once again, I did not receive forced migrant status and did not even try
    4. Veteran Vlad.
      +2
      16 February 2014 20: 33
      Quote: mr.rafael-r
      received citizenship. I received it a week ago

      I am very glad that you returned to Russia and received Citizenship, if only all Russians would leave the CIS countries for Russia
  63. +1
    16 February 2014 17: 32
    Quote: TS3sta3
    That was sarcasm. I am Russian.

    I don't know, I even gave it a thumbs up - I liked the rise...n)) Now I'm waiting for tons of beautiful photos and pictures about how nice Russians are in Kazakhstan and a bunch of statistics in favor of the fact that Russians in Kazakhstan don't have any problems with their language ahahaha))
  64. +3
    16 February 2014 17: 36
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: mr.rafael-r
    AI, tax, bailiffs, etc., etc., even the education department in the akimat can veto departure if they are not provided with a certificate from a school in the Russian Federation about admitting children to school!!!!! and the worst thing is that some of the certificates are really in a very short period of time.

    or they may not give it, I left essentially illegally, they didn’t want to give me permission



    Vladimir, the Federal Migration Service clearly told me that I don’t need anything from the contract, just a passport and your desire. 1,5 years of waiting for various stages and soon I receive my passport))). Best regards to you 911.

    PS. you don't have to go out. and renounce KZ citizenship. (one word and how everything is simplified)
    1. +3
      16 February 2014 17: 52
      Yes, I’ve been living like Russia for five years now, I received my passport in half a year
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        0
        16 February 2014 18: 44
        They declared too much property at the border and did not know that the FMS does not grant refugee status with such a declaration, admit it?!
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. Clegg
            0
            16 February 2014 20: 12
            Quote: TS3sta3
            Russian scoundrels are exporting Kazakhstan's property without permission. damn occupiers.
            PS wassat

            Yesterday you criticized me for “inciting”, what are you doing now?
            1. +2
              16 February 2014 20: 19
              I deleted my post, it will really be misunderstood. I am Russian myself, and this was borderline sarcasm. and there is someone to do the incitement here, and this is what you call discussion and the right to vote.
        2. +2
          16 February 2014 20: 15
          Quote: RK refugee
          They declared too much property at the border and didn’t know that the FMS doesn’t give refugee status with such a declaration, admit it

          you are friends with the brain, I didn’t even try to get refugee status, and I earned all the property myself, so there’s nothing to blame me for
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            +1
            16 February 2014 20: 47
            Then why does the entire Russian branch reproach the Kazakhs (who, by the way, none of them supported this idea) for blurting out the NAS?
            I answer: 1. neither you nor the author knows the literal translation 2. you are waiting for such articles as hysterical grandmothers to throw out the negativity and with it all the bile 3. you are just local kitchen chauvinists.
            1. +2
              16 February 2014 21: 01
              What does my property have to do with some Nazi blunder?!!!
      2. Veteran Vlad.
        0
        16 February 2014 20: 35
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Yes, I’ve been living like Russia for five years now, I received my passport in half a year

        I am very glad that you returned to Russia and received Citizenship
    2. The comment was deleted.
  65. +3
    16 February 2014 17: 38
    Nazarbayev, in my opinion, is just foolish...
    1. +4
      16 February 2014 17: 51
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Nazarbayev, in my opinion, is just foolish...


      Lately, he's been spewing out this stupidity of his. It seems to me that it’s clearly time for grandpa to retire.
    2. +4
      16 February 2014 17: 56
      no, it’s not nonsense, Nazarbayev is quite cunning... he’s smart and calculates all his moves, then he ran out of kerosene as a result of which he didn’t make it to Belovezhskaya Pushcha, then something else
    3. The comment was deleted.
  66. +3
    16 February 2014 17: 41
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Nazarbayev, in my opinion, is just foolish...


    Yes, he is already old. the last of the communist werewolves, so to speak. The brain is not the same.
    1. +4
      16 February 2014 18: 17
      [quote=mr.rafael-r] the last of the communist werewolves, so to speak.[/quote

      A very accurate description, and not only of Nazarbayev, but also of many of his “accomplices” in his post-Soviet career. drinks
  67. +5
    16 February 2014 18: 03
    Nazarbayev will leave..that’s where the redistribution of power will begin! Americans can't wait...
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      0
      16 February 2014 18: 37
      Cossack Eli is stupid, but it’s none of your business! Further: NAS will leave and relations between countries will become more complicated, this is natural, what the hell is friendship there? After all, we members of the forum are shitting on a civil site (and we are the people). We live in an independent state, and everyone teaches us what to call ourselves, how to speak and who to be friends with! It’s time to dissociate ourselves from such “friendship”; I am for the deterioration of relations with the Russian Federation - why bend your heart and smile through insults!? The world, contrary to Russian stereotypes, is not bipolar, where there is good Russia and bad America! For example, Singapore, etc. Neither the NAS nor Putin is responsible for the bestial attitude between peoples; in the 2016 elections. I know what program and what candidate we will choose.
  68. 0
    16 February 2014 18: 29
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Yes, I’ve been living like Russia for five years now, I received my passport in half a year

    And you seem to live in the Far East))) or in that steppe)))
    1. +2
      16 February 2014 19: 12
      Quote: mr.rafael-r
      And you seem to live in the Far East))) or in that steppe)))

      I live in the Kaliningrad region, somehow I didn’t understand about the steppe at all
  69. +2
    16 February 2014 18: 47
    the Cossacks ate, the Cossacks sang, the Cossacks lived sweetly....
    This old fox will go away and give them a serious shock, the Zhuzes will begin to pull the blanket at three corners, China at the fourth, the Americans will lay a hand.
    1. 0
      16 February 2014 19: 01
      Quote: Chen
      This old fox will go away and give them a serious shock, the Zhuzes will begin to pull the blanket at three corners, China at the fourth, the Americans will lay a hand.


      Well, it's time to retire a long time ago.
    2. ekzorsist
      0
      28 February 2014 21: 22
      Quote: Chen
      the Cossacks ate, the Cossacks sang, the Cossacks lived sweetly....

      Kazakhs ate, Kazakhs drank, Kazakhs sang everything...
  70. +2
    16 February 2014 19: 02
    Thank you to Nazarbayev, of course, for 20 years he kept the republic in check and was friendly towards Russia..Juz clans, you’ll understand what will happen after..The East is a delicate matter..! It’s not for nothing that during the USSR there was an unspoken rule that the first secretary of the indigenous nationality is the second of the Russians otherwise clannishness matchmaker brother, etc.
    1. +4
      16 February 2014 19: 07
      Thus, under him, this very clannishness blossomed wildly.
      1. +2
        16 February 2014 20: 43
        Quote: Zymran
        Thus, under him, this very clannishness blossomed wildly.

        Is the Maidan really brewing?
        1. +3
          16 February 2014 20: 46
          Quote: stalkerwalker

          Is the Maidan really brewing?


          Not yet, but there are prerequisites for this.
    2. +1
      16 February 2014 20: 50
      Quote: MIKHAN
      It’s not for nothing that during the Soviet era there was an unspoken rule: first secretary of indigenous nationality, second of the Russians, otherwise clannishness, matchmaker, brother, etc.

      And so it all happened, it was just that the second Russian could see and report all this on the spot.
  71. Arh
    -5
    16 February 2014 19: 11
    The Kazakhs were trampled by the Kalmyks for about 300 years, all Kazakhs with the seed of the Chengiz, the Kazakhs are essentially bearers of the culture and traditions of the Mongols (maybe in the Kazakh way), if a Kazakh says that he is a Kazakh, then in most cases he is a Kalmyk-Mongol, the Kazakhs can only proclaim Buddhism as a national religion ! ! ! * * *
    1. +3
      16 February 2014 19: 16
      Quote: Arh
      The Kazakhs were trampled by the Kalmyks for about 300 years, all Kazakhs with the seed of the Chengiz, the Kazakhs are essentially bearers of the culture and traditions of the Mongols (maybe in the Kazakh way)


      Bugaga three times

      "Notes of Major General Bronevsky about the Kirghiz-Kaisaks of the Middle Horde"



      About the slave trade

      From the previous one it is known that the Kirghiz have a considerable number of Kalmyks of both sexes in captivity: they exchanged them, sold them to Russian subjects, or used them to pay debts. Although humanity is crying out against such bargaining, in its very essence it had a benefit for the unfortunate slaves; they were freed from contempt and all the shortcomings of a full life, having become property of the Russians, they were enlightened by the Christian faith and were brought up in abundance. Childless Cossacks adopted the habit of adopting them. And in general they treat them kindly, calling them their children, although these children are often ungrateful, and when they reach maturity, they rob their adoptive parents and run away into the forest. But there is no thing without exception. The abuse and cruelty of some rulers is the reason for this.

      http://magazines.russ.ru/oz/2002/1/bil.html
    2. Arh
      0
      16 February 2014 19: 39
      The same applies to the Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmens, Turks! ! !
    3. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      -4
      16 February 2014 19: 41
      And the capital of Kazakhstan is in Tyumen! Good idea!
      1. MVS
        MVS
        +2
        16 February 2014 20: 04
        Quote: Refugee from RK
        And the capital of Kazakhstan is in Tyumen!

        Nothing will crack?
      2. ekzorsist
        0
        28 February 2014 21: 26
        Quote: Refugee from RK
        And the capital of Kazakhstan is in Tyumen! Good idea!

        Yes, take it steeper - the Kola Peninsula and then only behind the thorns!!!
  72. +2
    16 February 2014 19: 18
    Quote: Zymran
    Thus, under him, this very clannishness blossomed wildly.

    In the east, this is par for the course... Some grandson is being trained to become a successor, I think..
  73. 0
    16 February 2014 19: 35
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: mr.rafael-r
    And you seem to live in the Far East))) or in that steppe)))

    I live in the Kaliningrad region, somehow I didn’t understand about the steppe at all


    Sorry, I mixed up the login.
  74. Clegg
    +1
    16 February 2014 19: 48
    Vasilenko, RUSS and whoever else latched on to Eraz about the Cossack.

    As you understand, we call ourselves qazaq, you are Kazakh. The problem is in the letter X, I don’t understand, if you translated the last letter Q as X, then why did you leave the first letter Q as K. It would be more logical to call it Khazakhs, can someone explain? It is unlikely that the communists had such a Cossack-phobic policy; this is a product of that policy.

    If you want to continue calling us Kazakhs, says In Ukraine, not in Ukraine, etc., that’s your business. I’m somehow purple, but don’t mention Eraza.
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      +1
      16 February 2014 20: 11
      As has already been said here: It is useless to explain to a blind person that the room is dark! Firstly, they still have not understood that even the Kazakhs themselves do not support this idea.
      Secondly, we still don’t understand how this is even translated! Thirdly, what kind of side are Kazakh Russians in general? And in general, the law is not written for fools. If it’s read, it’s not understood; if it’s understood, it’s not understood!
    2. +2
      16 February 2014 20: 19
      Quote: Clegg
      If you want to continue calling us Kazakhs, says In Ukraine, not in Ukraine, etc., that’s your business. I’m somehow purple, but don’t mention Eraza.

      Sorry, but as long as he communicates with us in Russian, we will indicate
      1. Clegg
        -2
        16 February 2014 20: 30
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Sorry, but as long as he communicates with us in Russian, we will indicate

        No, you won't.
        I’ll explain why, because you conquered us and forced us to learn Russian (this is figurative and not for me personally) and now there is another parallel Russian language. It's like American English and British English, we will slightly distort your Russian to make it more convenient for us. For example, according to the rule of the Russian language, it would be more correct not Shymkent (zhi and shi are written with the letter I), but Shymkent. But we will still call it Shymkent, because this is our Kazakh Russian language))))))))))))
        1. +5
          16 February 2014 20: 37
          Quote: Clegg
          No you won't

          If we don’t like it, write campimetry in English, Kazakh or some other language, but it’s only Russian, I don’t like it, go to Kazakh sites
          1. Clegg
            -1
            17 February 2014 07: 47
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            If we don’t like it, write campimetry in English, Kazakh or some other language, but Russian is the only one, don’t like it, go to Kazakh sites

            No, I forgot to ask you. I will write as it suits me
        2. MVS
          MVS
          +7
          16 February 2014 20: 39
          Quote: Clegg
          yes because you conquered us

          Conquered?
          On February 19, 1731, the Empress signed a letter of voluntary entry The Junior Zhuz became part of the Russian Empire, and on October 10, 1731, a congress of representatives of the tribes of the Junior and Middle Zhuz took place, at which Khan Abulkhair, the batyrs Bogenbay, Eset, Khudainazar-Murza and 27 other influential authorities swore allegiance to the empress on the Koran.
          1. +3
            16 February 2014 20: 58
            Quote: MVS
            Conquered?

            Conquered, conquered. Otherwise, why all the fuss about the colony, Latin alphabet and spruce. smile
            It remains to be expected that these influential authorities will be declared traitors to the interests of the Kazakh people and the streets will be renamed again. At the same time, they will demolish monuments to Ch. Valikhanov and others who “faithfully and truly” served the “white” tsar, the main colonialist. At the same time, the “Mankurts” Abay and Dzhambul will get it for their interest in the Russian language and culture.
            Real Kazakh history and culture must be pure. smile
          2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            0
            16 February 2014 21: 13
            Dangerous fellow! After all, I wasn’t too lazy and read the history (and wasn’t it a bastard?) There are only a few of them, probably not Russian!))))
            1. MVS
              MVS
              +1
              16 February 2014 21: 18
              Quote: Refugee from RK
              Dangerous fellow! After all, I wasn’t too lazy and read the history (and wasn’t it a bastard?) There are only a few of them, probably not Russian!))))

              Do not guess. laughing I am Russian. And I know the history more or less.
          3. -2
            17 February 2014 11: 00
            Quote: MVS
            Quote: Clegg
            yes because you conquered us

            Conquered?
            On February 19, 1731, the Empress signed a letter of voluntary entry The Junior Zhuz became part of the Russian Empire, and on October 10, 1731, a congress of representatives of the tribes of the Junior and Middle Zhuz took place, at which Khan Abulkhair, the batyrs Bogenbay, Eset, Khudainazar-Murza and 27 other influential authorities swore allegiance to the empress on the Koran.

            Voluntarily entered in 1731 after several attempts, voluntarily left in 1991 laughing .Fate favors us, now we have our own state, which the NAS voluntarily pushes into the union again, probably wants us to become like the Tatars or Bashkirs in Russia.
            1. MVS
              MVS
              +1
              17 February 2014 16: 29
              Quote: Semurg
              Voluntarily entered in 1731 after several attempts, voluntarily left in 1991 laughing .Fate favors us, now we have our own state, which the NAS voluntarily pushes into the union again, probably wants us to become like the Tatars or Bashkirs in Russia.

              If you don’t want to join the union, that’s your right, you are now a sovereign state. But to be honest, I didn’t understand what was going on about the Tatars and Bashkirs now. Are we oppressing them? Do they have a worse life than others?
              1. -1
                17 February 2014 18: 46
                You don’t understand that any people, absolutely any people want independence, this is a natural desire, but they really understand that they will not get it under any circumstances. You don’t have to oppress or infringe on them; the Basques are demanding independence from Spain, or the Scots are demanding independence from the British, although they are not being infringed upon either.
                1. MVS
                  MVS
                  +1
                  17 February 2014 18: 54
                  Quote: Semurg
                  You don’t understand that any people, absolutely any people want independence, this is a natural desire, but they really understand that they will not get it under any circumstances. You don’t have to oppress or infringe on them; the Basques are demanding independence from Spain, or the Scots are demanding independence from the British, although they are not being infringed upon either.

                  According to your logic, all countries should be divided into patches of 5 hectares (including Kazakhstan). Take, for example, the Russian Federation subject KCR. There are more than 80 nationalities, 9 of which are quite large. Area - 14277 km^2. If we take only large nationalities, there will be 9 “states” with an area of ​​1586 km^2.
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2014 19: 22
                    Well, that's how the process goes. At the beginning of the last century there were 20-30 states, now there are more than 150. As for Russia, I don’t think you should worry. Putin said, the integrity of Russia is a red line, and everyone who is against it will hurt.
                    1. MVS
                      MVS
                      +1
                      17 February 2014 19: 31
                      Quote: Semurg
                      Well, that's how the process goes. At the beginning of the last century there were 20-30 states, now there are more than 150. As for Russia, I don’t think you should worry. Putin said, the integrity of Russia is a red line, and everyone who is against it will hurt.

                      For now, yes. Time will tell what will happen next.
                  2. The comment was deleted.
        3. +3
          16 February 2014 20: 42
          Quote: Clegg
          because this is our Kazakh Russian language))))))))))))

          Hmmm! And we will insert mat into Kazakh Kazakh, because it is Kazakh. wink
        4. +1
          16 February 2014 20: 42
          Quote: Clegg
          because this is our Kazakh Russian language))))))))))))

          Hmmm! And we will insert mat into Kazakh Kazakh, because it is Kazakh. wink
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            +3
            16 February 2014 21: 09
            No need! Kazakh swearing in literal translation sounds rude and disgusting.
            1. ekzorsist
              0
              28 February 2014 21: 34
              Quote: Refugee from RK
              No need! Kazakh swearing in literal translation sounds rude and disgusting.

              Yes, Kazakh doesn’t sound very good even without translation...
          2. Clegg
            -1
            16 February 2014 21: 11
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            And we will insert mat into Kazakh Kazakh, because it is Kazakh

            If you're interested, I can teach you some of our swear words in a private message)))))))))))
            1. +2
              16 February 2014 21: 34
              Quote: Clegg
              ...I can teach you in a private message...

              I don't need it. I believe that there is an inversely proportional relationship between swearing and intelligence.
        5. +3
          16 February 2014 21: 10
          Quote: Clegg
          yes because you conquered us and forced us to learn Russian

          Something smelled like the Baltics... wassat
          1. Clegg
            -1
            16 February 2014 21: 13
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Something smelled like the Baltics...

            I remember you, we already discussed this issue, but then my nickname was Essenger.
            1. +3
              16 February 2014 21: 33
              Quote: Clegg
              I remember you, we already discussed this issue, but then my nickname was Essenger.

              I do remember...
              The change of name did not change the tone...
        6. ekzorsist
          0
          28 February 2014 21: 30
          Quote: Clegg
          No, you won't.
          I’ll explain why, because you conquered us and forced us to learn Russian (this is figurative and not for me personally) and now there is another parallel Russian language. It's like American English and British English, we will slightly distort your Russian to make it more convenient for us. For example, according to the rule of the Russian language, it would be more correct not Shymkent (zhi and shi are written with the letter I), but Shymkent. But we will still call it Shymkent, because this is our Kazakh Russian language))))))))))))

          God !!! Give some sense to this unfortunate man crippled by Kazakh independent education!!! ...
          Although... this is already a diagnosis - neo-nationalism!
      2. +2
        16 February 2014 20: 58
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Sorry, but as long as he communicates with us in Russian, we will indicate

        Good luck with your further instructions. This will not make me begin to distort my native nation.
    3. 0
      16 February 2014 20: 59
      Quote: Clegg
      I’m somehow purple, but don’t mention Eraza.

      Brother, well, the devil came up with this, where would we be without him. Only in the Caucasus they always didn’t give a damn about it and the caravan moved on.
  75. Refugee from Kazakhstan
    +1
    16 February 2014 20: 02
    Rename your country the Federation of Nationalities of Russia (FNS), not only Russians live in it! Otherwise it sounds like Russia is the land of Russians! Not fair!
    1. +2
      16 February 2014 20: 09
      and Russia is really the land of Russians, only for me it’s Russian and Bagration, and Bagromyan, and Musa Gareev
      for me, Russian is not the color of eyes, skin or hair - it’s someone who is ready to die for Russia, it’s Soul and Heart
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        +2
        16 February 2014 20: 36
        So it is for us and Gennady Golovkin and Ilya Ilyin and many others! I wrote the difference between us in the last answer to Glegg.
        1. +1
          16 February 2014 20: 44
          Quote: RK refugee
          as well as for us and Gennady Golovkin and Ilya Ilyin and many others! I wrote the difference between us in the last answer to Glegg.

          oh? !!!
          Sorry, but when on a website financed by presidential foundations they write CHVR, it’s somehow hard to believe this
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            +3
            16 February 2014 21: 06
            Yes, your trump card about statements on some foundation has already gone bad! If you want, take care of it like the apple of your eye, as long as you can pull it out. We don’t have to look far on each thread for the variety of comments filled with hatred and contempt, although your vice speaker (who is also financed by the people, by the way) Zhirik is worth something. Let's not be like at the market. You started to slander and rant about the title (although I repeat once again, we ourselves are not delighted), and ended up again with crappy dark Kazakhs. If you read the thread first, you will understand; if not, there is no point in talking to you further.
            1. +2
              16 February 2014 21: 26
              Quote: RK refugee
              ended up with shitty dark Kazakhs again

              Can you give me an example of where I said that?
              Quote: RK refugee
              What is Zhirik worth?

              for which he is regularly spat upon and put in his place, including GDP
              Quote: RK refugee
              Yes, your trump card about statements on some foundation has already gone bad! If you want, take care of it like the apple of your eye, as long as you can pull it out
              so in return I will give you dozens of other worse ones where Russians are called upon to kill
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. +2
      16 February 2014 21: 15
      Refugee. I see our regiment has arrived who will vote against the NAS if he runs for a fifth term as president. The truth is how to solve the second half of the problem, it doesn’t matter how they vote, but what matters is how they think. On the topic, the Republic of Kazakhstan turns out to be a republic of the country of the Kazakhs, that is, oil-oil (stan-country should be removed and it will be correct Kazak Republics-Kazak Republic) or remove the republic and leave just Kazakhstan with the letter k instead of x. Cossack Eli, as one user wrote, sounds small-town, IMHO. If we are to deal with renaming, then for me there are two options: Kazakh Respublikasy or Kazakstan.
    4. The comment was deleted.
  76. +2
    16 February 2014 20: 17
    No matter how you rename it...you'll still get x.... It would be better if this money was invested in the Army! We are giving away the S-300 with a hint... Everyone is hoping for Russia...
  77. ed65b
    +6
    16 February 2014 21: 07
    Come on, citizens, yesterday I was happy for the Kazakh figure skater, today I was rooting for ours, the day before yesterday I was happy about the 2nd gold medal for the Belarusians, but you won’t change everything, well, it will change so what, oh well, they’ll rename it, so what? their country, after all, we don’t decide and won’t do anything. It’s a pity of course that it’s like this, but we won’t start a war??? No, and therefore for now let’s rejoice at our joint victories over the West in the Olympic Games. Then we’ll polemicize. Russians with silver in the relay drinks I'm shocked, from 5th place to 2nd and so on until the finish. YAY. drinks
    1. +1
      16 February 2014 21: 15
      Quote: ed65b
      I'm shocked, from 5th place to 2nd and so on until the finish. YAY.

      I’ve never watched the Winter Games and decided to watch it, of course the competition is very tough, there in the first 5 everyone is breathing down each other’s backs. And I found my favorite winter sport. Speed ​​skating and when you fly face down on a sleigh)) It was so nice for some of the ladies look)))) So to speak, high mountains could be seen on the horizon, well, or you can see hills))
    2. +3
      16 February 2014 21: 40
      Quote: ed65b
      With silver in the relay, the Russians I'm shocked, from 5th place to 2nd place and so on until the finish. YAY.

      The day before Charlotte Calla from Sweden (beautiful, infectious wassat ) set an example for Legkov, but at the last stage.
      And the Norwegians are still in a daze - God is punishing them for Northug’s “long tongue.”
      With a victory drinks
  78. +6
    16 February 2014 21: 12
    My brother studied at one of the universities in Almaty a couple of years ago, and they had an experiment there, let’s say, to revise the history of Kazakhstan. Further, not verbatim, but conveying the very essence, I quote a phrase from the “revised” textbook - ...when only Kazakhs (!) lived on Earth, every year they gathered in the center of the Great Steppe and staged a duel between the two strongest batyrs (local heroes). The location of the fight was called Eki Batyr (two batyrs). Later, this is where the name Equator came from...
    Hmmm, remembering this, remembering the unfinished question of renaming Pavlodar to Kereka, realizing that not today - tomorrow I will become a Kazakh-Eli (after all, Nazarbayev proposed), only one thought comes to our mind - it’s time to get out of this country!
    1. Clegg
      0
      16 February 2014 21: 15
      Quote: Wiruz
      It's time to get out of this country!

      Jolyng bolsyn bauyrym drinks
      1. +1
        16 February 2014 21: 18
        bully
        Quote: Clegg
        Jolyng bolsyn bauyrym
      2. -1
        16 February 2014 21: 48
        Oh bye. Dosym, men kazakhsha aitpaimyn request
        1. Clegg
          0
          17 February 2014 07: 50
          Quote: Wiruz
          Oh bye. Dosym, men kazakhsha aitpaimyn

          “Called” him brother and wished him a happy journey!
    2. 0
      16 February 2014 21: 37
      If such a thought arises, you need to do it while you have the opportunity, otherwise suddenly the NAS will die and the Nazi will come. Even when he officially starts demanding unaffordable bribes for changing citizenship. Vasilenko writes that changing citizenship is not as difficult and dreary as some write, and then you will remember Kazakhstan and be surprised that you thought about changing citizenship for so long.
      1. +1
        17 February 2014 07: 14
        Quote: Semurg
        If such a thought arises, you need to do it while you have the opportunity, otherwise suddenly the NAS will die and the Nazi will come. Even when he officially starts demanding unaffordable bribes for changing citizenship. Vasilenko writes that changing citizenship is not as difficult and dreary as some write, and then you will remember Kazakhstan and be surprised that you thought about changing citizenship for so long.

        Let them leave, we don’t need people like that! No matter what nationality he is, a patriot will always remain a patriot! Men Kazakhpyn, marriage ultim Ukrainian!
        1. +1
          17 February 2014 10: 34
          Quote: Onizuka's teacher
          Quote: Semurg
          If such a thought arises, you need to do it while you have the opportunity, otherwise suddenly the NAS will die and the Nazi will come. Even when he officially starts demanding unaffordable bribes for changing citizenship. Vasilenko writes that changing citizenship is not as difficult and dreary as some write, and then you will remember Kazakhstan and be surprised that you thought about changing citizenship for so long.

          Let them leave, we don’t need people like that! No matter what nationality he is, a patriot will always remain a patriot! Men Kazakhpyn, marriage ultim Ukrainian!

          It’s normal when we are all civil patriots of our Motherland and then Russians, Ukrainians, Kazakhs (all 126 zhuzes of Kazakhstan, as they joked in “our Kazakh”). True, some Russians living in Kazakhstan are hostile to any changes, they consider themselves patriots of Russia and not of Kazakhstan and do not live in peace with themselves (they live in Kazakhstan and support the interests of Russia). For 20 years they still haven’t decided to either leave for Russia or accept independent Kazakhstan (they live like some men and drink their wife’s blood and don’t go to their mistress, everyone is waiting for polygamy to be announced “Union-2.0” laughing ).
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. +1
          17 February 2014 13: 10
          Quote: Teacher Onizuka
          Men Kazakhpyn, marriage ultim Ukrainian!

          Why are you swearing?
          1. Clegg
            0
            17 February 2014 13: 48
            Quote: Setrac
            Quote: Teacher Onizuka
            Men Kazakhpyn, marriage ultim Ukrainian!

            Why are you swearing?

            What are you speaking about? Do you think writing in Kazakh is swearing?
            1. +2
              17 February 2014 13: 52
              Quote: Clegg
              What are you speaking about? Do you think writing in Kazakh is swearing?

              With all due respect to other languages, this is a violation of the site rules. And the translation has not been written.
              1. -1
                17 February 2014 15: 25
                Quote: Setrac
                Quote: Clegg
                What are you speaking about? Do you think writing in Kazakh is swearing?

                With all due respect to other languages, this is a violation of the site rules. And the translation has not been written.

                I’m translating literally - I’m a Kazakh, but by nationality I’m Ukrainian, in meaning I’m a Kazakh of Ukrainian origin. Yes, and you are right that it is prohibited to express yourself in other languages ​​on this site.
              2. The comment was deleted.
      2. The comment was deleted.
    3. The comment was deleted.
  79. +1
    16 February 2014 21: 12
    Quote: ed65b
    Come on, citizens, yesterday I was happy for the Kazakh figure skater, today I was rooting for ours, the day before yesterday I was happy about the 2nd gold medal for the Belarusians, but you won’t change everything, well, it will change so what, oh well, they’ll rename it, so what? their country, after all, we don’t decide and won’t do anything. It’s a pity of course that it’s like this, but we won’t start a war??? No, and therefore for now let’s rejoice at our joint victories over the West in the Olympic Games. Then we’ll polemicize. Russians with silver in the relay drinks I'm shocked, from 5th place to 2nd and so on until the finish. YAY. drinks

    Spelled correctly! I agree.. In sports you need to compete.. and prove!
  80. +2
    16 February 2014 21: 14
    By the way, the author made a small mistake - a more correct translation is “Kazakh Eli” - “Homeland of the Kazakhs”
    1. +2
      16 February 2014 23: 53
      Quote: Wiruz
      By the way, the author made a small mistake - a more correct translation is “Kazakh Eli” - “Homeland of the Kazakhs”

      What will Russia be called on Kazakh maps? Elephant Spruce?
  81. Refugee from Kazakhstan
    +3
    16 February 2014 21: 24
    Thread CALL OUT! We will continue shooting comments tomorrow!
  82. ed65b
    +5
    16 February 2014 22: 40
    In bobsleigh we aim for gold in doubles love Let's catch up Brothers, let's catch up. It will go like this, it’s not clear how things will end in the team competition. Comrades, former citizens of the USSR, press on good let's smash the adversary
  83. +1
    16 February 2014 23: 21
    And in Russia, Nazarbayev is still considered a friend and loyal ally...
    1. +4
      17 February 2014 01: 33
      Quote: Watchman
      And in Russia, Nazarbayev is still considered a friend and loyal ally...

      What are you doing? recourse
  84. The comment was deleted.
    1. +1
      17 February 2014 01: 47
      Quote: Pinochet
      Therefore, as soon as legitimate (that is, national-patriotic) power is established in the country, the collection of lands will begin.

      That's it... Grab your bags - leave the station wassat
    2. The comment was deleted.
  85. 0
    17 February 2014 07: 10
    Such a srach was raised. Horror! When YOU carried out the Russian march and beat all non-Russians, did the KAZAKHS say anything to you? No. And then they decided to rename the country, they created such a stink! Think about it, maybe you will understand that some actions are being taken to distract the PEOPLE from problems that need to be solved in a certain amount of time? The Dzungars were imposed here, I’ve outlined everything from A to Z and I don’t see any point in raising the topic! And the ignoramuses who claim that the Kazakhs would be slaughtered are simply stupid or stupid, READ THE HISTORY! The fact that YOU deliberately lowered the exchange rate of your ruble and, crushing our markets with your products, thought of us as allies? The devaluation was done so that FOREIGN goods would be more expensive and ours would be cheaper, and this would support small, medium and large businesses so that they would not go bankrupt because of people like YOU! Some accusations against us! We do what we want! Fortunately, my small business will take off, because the only competitor is the Russians. And once again, before you write any nonsense, at least have KNOWLEDGE about what you are writing!
    1. +2
      17 February 2014 07: 46
      Thank you teacher"!
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      READ THE STORY!

      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      We do what we want!

      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      And once again, before you write any nonsense, at least have KNOWLEDGE about what you are writing!

      Thank you for pointing me on the right path. Low bow.
    2. +3
      17 February 2014 10: 04
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      And once again, before you write any nonsense, at least have KNOWLEDGE about what you are writing!

      What exactly do you mean by “stupidity”?
    3. Veteran Vlad.
      -1
      17 February 2014 19: 50
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      Such a srach was raised. Horror!

      I don’t get it either
      Renaming the Country is an internal matter of Kazakhstan
  86. +1
    17 February 2014 07: 36
    So, on February 6, during a visit to the Intellectual School of Atyrau, President Nursultan Nazarbayev proposed abandoning the name “Kazakhstan” in favor of “Kazak Eli” (“Kazakh people”).
    but it turns out funny - the Cossacks ate - the Kazakh people. Or maybe they made a mistake in the letter - Kazakh-ate
  87. +5
    17 February 2014 07: 55
    I don’t understand at all why the fuss was made? Nazarbayev suggested that there will probably be something like a referendum - if the people decide - what difference does it make what the citizens of Kazakhstan will call Kazakhstan? There was Talin, there became Talinn, there was Kalinin - Tver was returned, There was Ivory Coast - the Cote Divoire, there was Rhodesia - became Zimbabwe, They wrote in Kazakhstan in Cyrillic - they became in Latin - the people remained the same, if it is convenient for them and it improves them self-confidence - yes to health.
    What kind of stupid desire is there to look for an undermining of Russian statehood and a secret desire to plunge Russia into chaos in everything that happens in the World? Do you have a inferiority complex? Or do you seriously think that changing the name of the country is a conspiracy against Russia?
    1. 0
      17 February 2014 10: 10
      Quote: atalef
      I don’t understand at all why the fuss was made? Nazarbayev suggested that there will probably be something like a referendum - if the people decide - what difference does it make what the citizens of Kazakhstan will call Kazakhstan? There was Talin, there became Talinn, there was Kalinin - Tver was returned, There was Ivory Coast - the Cote Divoire, there was Rhodesia - became Zimbabwe, They wrote in Kazakhstan in Cyrillic - they became in Latin - the people remained the same, if it is convenient for them and it improves them self-confidence - yes to health.
      What kind of stupid desire is there to look for an undermining of Russian statehood and a secret desire to plunge Russia into chaos in everything that happens in the World? Do you have a inferiority complex? Or do you seriously think that changing the name of the country is a conspiracy against Russia?

      Most likely, these are echoes of the former cohabitation in the USSR (like in a communal apartment where everyone cared about everything), so I think that it was in vain for the leadership of Kazakhstan to start a new rapprochement too early. It still takes 20-30 years for mutual grievances and claims to fade away, and then, with a cool head, think about whether a new union is needed or not (I don’t understand what NNA will do with the creation of a union, as if he was made an offer that cannot be refused wink )
    2. The comment was deleted.
  88. +1
    17 February 2014 09: 32
    Quote: Kasym
    But why dig into someone else's garden?
    I always read your comments with interest. I consider them to be largely balanced. Nazarbayev is a smart person and timed his proposal to coincide with economic turmoil. Don’t you think that similar proposals began to come from him too often?
    About three million Russians left Kazakhstan, it seems. What if we add more so-called Russian speakers? How much will it be? For many of them, Kazakhstan is the Motherland. How many relatives and friends do they have left there? They haven't disappeared anywhere. They live, work, think. “Someone else’s garden”, “none of your business”?
    Escaped from isolated incidents of nationalism?
    Nationalism can be roughly divided into three components (this is a rough approximation):
    1. Authority and business. The most cynical, “fishing in troubled waters.”
    2. The so-called advanced national intelligentsia are provocateurs at heart.
    3. Uneducated, envious people who believe that someone else is always to blame. Naturally, of a different nationality.
    In the video posted yesterday by Vasilenko at 15:16, everything is just like the classics. As I understand it, elections.
    The authorities do not react to provocation, the police do not react to openly hooligan actions (it seems that a criminal case can even be opened), after the provocation is over, they get into a “bad” car and drive away. By the way, to use a woman against a man, knowing that he will not respond - what to call it? Impunity?
    Quote: Teacher Onizuka
    When YOU carried out the Russian march and beat all non-Russians, did the KAZAKHS say anything to you?

    Here they imprison, and quite a lot. And for some reason, more and more Russians. What about you? How many Kazakhs are imprisoned for nationalism? While they are erecting monuments and calling them heroes.
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      0
      17 February 2014 14: 22
      This is already a consequence, and look for the reasons in yourself: in your arrogance and contemptuous attitude towards all non-Russians, including Kazakhs. And over the years of living together in a “communal apartment” where they not only supplied us with new “furniture and bathrooms” (it was the Russians who taught Kazakhs to go to the toilet), you grew your ego and decided that there was someone to sleep with, what language we should speak, abundantly cultivating our resentment of constant statements about our worthlessness and darkness. And then YOU suddenly declared that there were no more communal apartments and everyone was for himself, which was good, of course, BUT 20-odd years passed and the dark Kazakhs suddenly began to create everything for themselves without asking you for anything (to your regret)! But the rhetoric on your part is still the same, and this comes not just from your smart men like Zhirik and Limonov, it comes from your people, from Russian Russians and from YOU personally and everyone in the branch. This is how kitchen nationalism and disdainful attitude evokes similar things from us and as a derivative in the attitude of nation to nation, no matter where they live, in the Republic of Kazakhstan or in the Russian Federation. So isn’t it time to think about why such a complimentary people like the Kazakhs treat Russians (compare how Caucasians, Balts and other Central Asians treat Russians) suddenly started treating you like that for no reason at all? It is unlikely that your mentality will give you the right answer! It's time to dot the i's, treat other nations the way you would like to be treated. You can not? I know, because the most difficult victory is not over the enemy, but over yourself. Best wishes!
      1. +3
        17 February 2014 15: 04
        Quote: RK refugee
        you grew your ego and decided who to sleep with, what language to speak, abundantly nurturing our indignation with constant statements about our worthlessness and darkness

        I like this - oppressed, humiliated, etc.
        lived with the Kazakhs, studied with the Kazakhs, was friends with the Kazakhs, and now it turns out he was oppressing.
        Quote: RK refugee
        It is unlikely that your mentality will give you the right answer!

        Quote: RK refugee
        It's time to dot the i's, treat other nations the way you would like to be treated. You can not?
        Explore the reasons and history of the Ku Klux Klan
      2. +2
        17 February 2014 15: 22
        Kazakhstan is still being held back from a massive change of Russian names to Kazakh ones by concerns about increased emigration of the Slavic population, which still makes up about a quarter of the republic’s population, but at the same time forms the backbone of skilled workers and engineering personnel.


        Quote: RK refugee
        BUT more than 20 years have passed and the dark Kazakhs suddenly began to create everything for themselves without asking you for anything


        Where are the Kazakhs, what did they create? And what will happen when the remaining Russians leave?
      3. +2
        17 February 2014 15: 37
        "From a sick head to a healthy one?"
        Quote: RK refugee
        This is already a consequence, and look for the reasons in yourself: in your arrogance and contemptuous attitude towards all non-Russians, including Kazakhs.

        As a consequence, I see the revival of Russian nationalism as a response. Including among those “Russian-speaking” people who left Kazakhstan.
        Can you point out where I spoke arrogantly about other nationalities? Unlikely. On the contrary, I often talk about what Russians need to learn from other peoples.
        Quote: RK refugee
        So isn’t it time to think about why such a complimentary people like the Kazakhs treat Russians (compare how Caucasians, Balts and other Central Asians treat Russians) suddenly started treating you like that for no reason at all?
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          0
          17 February 2014 16: 42
          Again you are taking me to the side! I’ve already written it out more clearly, I can’t explain it to you on my fingers, like Russians! I answer everyone at once! They built, created - they don’t dispute it well, but at the everyday level there was disdain for the Kazakhs, no one can dispute either. I told you about this first reason, it was imprinted in the souls of many, before it was hushed up, but now it’s not. Moreover, this is still flourishing now in conditions of complete sovereignty of both countries, for some reason even now, judging by the thread, the Russians consider it necessary, as before, to abuse our language and traditions, etc. decide what is necessary, what is bad, what language to write in, what language to speak. After all, YOU personally, on your own initiative, did not go to Kazakhstan to build schools, you and other Russians were sent by the party, i.e. If it weren’t for government policy, would you have come here of your own free will? No way! Therefore, there is no need to pass off the achievements of the entire Soviet people in the construction (Virgin Land, for example) as your personal achievements of the Russian nation. Despite the fact that this is so, you, as a Russian nation, have always decided everything for us at the state level in all spheres of life of the Kazakhs (up to regulating the number of Kazakh families and children in cities on our Motherland). It’s not worth talking about the everyday level. This is the reason, and everything else is a consequence, including the response of the entire nation. For some reason you try not to understand this! Russians left the Republic of Kazakhstan for various reasons: (I have been working in the migration police for 19 years)
          1. The retirement age in the Republic of Kazakhstan was raised to 63 for men. and 60 for women. this provoked a huge wave of migration to Russia because... at that time the age there was 53 and 50, I don’t remember.
          2. It’s just time to go home to our native land - the party sent it, it’s time to return
          3. A language that suddenly turns out you need to know a little in order to understand what your work colleagues are talking about (you can’t force them to speak Russian, this was possible before)
          All those leaving (of course, whose declaration allowed it) took advantage of the resettlement program, for which it is necessary to obtain “forced migrant status” from the Federal Migration Service, and for this you need to fill out an application where in paragraph 12. Indicate the reasons why you and your family members left (intend to leave) the previous place of permanent residence. Provide facts of violence or other forms of persecution committed against you or members of your family, or a real danger of being persecuted on the grounds and circumstances specified in Art. 1 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On Forced Migrants”. You can attach to the application any available documents confirming this...Then the person leaving had to write something there, if the application is not filled out according to the form, the Federal Migration Service will refuse!
          Based on these data, statistics are derived and 3 million “refugees” arise! Are we at war? Genocide? Bullshit! Something like this, I hope this answer will satisfy you? All that remains is to pretend that you didn’t understand me, I hope you won’t do that! Sincerely!
          1. +3
            17 February 2014 17: 43
            Well, they're "thumpy" Russians. And arrogant. I understand, you've heard of Zadornov. But it’s also about the Americans.
            Quote: RK refugee
            All those leaving (of course, whose declaration allowed) took advantage of the resettlement program

            "Where are the woods from?"
            Quote: RK refugee
            and 3 million “refugees” arise! Are we at war? Genocide? Bullshit

            I understand. Everyone left for retirement. “I don’t see anything, I don’t know anything.”
            I understand that during the last population census in Kazakhstan, money was simply stolen.
            But, nevertheless, no one will stop you from comparing the data of the latest census and the data of the 1989 census.
            Quote: RK refugee
            Russians left the Republic of Kazakhstan for various reasons: (I have been working in the migration police for 19 years)

            What can I say? You speak the truth.
            Which report did you take the items from? I especially liked point two. The party sent, the party called back.
            But point three is interesting for understanding the reasons. The conclusion is even more interesting.
            Quote: RK refugee
            to understand what your work colleagues are talking about (you can’t force them to speak Russian, this was possible before)

            The main reason for Russians leaving is the inability to overhear what the Kazakhs are saying.
            Did YOU make all these conclusions yourself, or collectively?
            1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
              +3
              17 February 2014 18: 54
              You understood everything perfectly! You know what’s wrong, and there’s no other way to add imagination, and it’s a shame to give back! Judging by the pathetic attempts to distort the meaning, this is capitulation! No more words are needed, everything is clear! Once again I am convinced of your predictability! As the saying goes, “where did you learn to lie, I already taught there”!
              1. +1
                17 February 2014 19: 42
                Quote: RK refugee
                As the saying goes, “where did you learn to lie? I already taught there"!


                Well, I really liked it. laughing Let's go, my friend, can you invite me to the seminar??!!! Take on experience, so to speak?!
                1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
                  0
                  17 February 2014 20: 11
                  The job is this: to expose liars))))
                  1. +2
                    17 February 2014 21: 30
                    Quote: RK refugee
                    The job is this: to expose liars))))

                    Quote: RK refugee
                    You understood everything perfectly!

                    Quote: RK refugee
                    As the saying goes, “where did you learn to lie, I already taught there”!

                    I understood everything perfectly.
                    In the 1989 census, 6227.5 Russians lived in Kazakhstan; in the 2009 census, 3797,0 lived. Almost five more years have passed since then. Is there any reason that the trend has changed? Tell me. Or the migration service employee does not know the real state of affairs belay , or deliberately “casts a shadow over the fence.” Of course. "... I already taught there." smile
                    "The thief's hat is on fire."
                    An article about Nazarbayev’s next initiative, which in my opinion is fragrant. Write an article about Russian nationalism and we’ll discuss it.
                  2. +2
                    17 February 2014 22: 04
                    Quote: RK refugee
                    The job is this: to expose liars))))

                    so you yourself are a first-class liar, you’ve lied so much on this thread
  89. +2
    17 February 2014 10: 51
    Everything is the same when they want to distract people from something...they come up with such unnecessary gestures.....how much money will be spent on all these renamings? We also renamed the cops, but it didn’t make them any better. However, it’s their business......I don’t care
    1. 0
      17 February 2014 11: 06
      Quote: darksoul
      Everything is the same when they want to distract people from something...they come up with such unnecessary gestures.....how much money will be spent on all these renamings? We also renamed the cops, but it didn’t make them any better. However, it’s their business......I don’t care

      loot defeats evil laughing . So we will spend the money on renaming to defeat evil laughing .
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. +1
        17 February 2014 12: 08
        Quote: Semurg
        loot defeats evil

        In general, for a hairdryer - loot - EVIL wassat
      3. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        +3
        17 February 2014 12: 11
        What the hell is the renaming, so with the devaluation we lost 20-40%!
    2. The comment was deleted.
  90. 0
    17 February 2014 11: 44
    In Kazakhstan, the second wave of national identity has begun. I thought they were already over it, but no. Due to the fact that there is no ...stan in the name of the USA, and investments there are huge, Kazakhstan needs to be renamed the Kazakh United States.
    1. +2
      17 February 2014 12: 27
      Quote: ovgorskiy
      then Kazakhstan should be renamed the Kazakh United States.


      And introduce the dollar as a national currency. currencies. Then devaluation is not scary. laughing
      1. Clegg
        +1
        17 February 2014 12: 32
        Quote: Zymran
        And introduce the dollar as a national currency. currencies. Then devaluation is not scary.

        By the way, not a bad idea. After all, oil is traded in dollars.
    2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      0
      17 February 2014 13: 38
      I like how funny you are! Do you think you wrote that's all? The point is that your quantity does not shine with quality, and our nasty things in response to your nasty things will be read by adequate Russians (and not adequate ones like you are already accustomed to nasty things)! And teaching every dunce on a branch and explaining where and why he is wrong is a tedious task, so as you received, you will receive and will receive blows from us.
      1. +1
        17 February 2014 13: 44
        Quote: RK refugee
        you receive and will continue to receive benefits from us

        Yes, it’s difficult for you with splashes, but with nonsense, yes
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          +1
          17 February 2014 15: 09
          Nonsense is not nonsense, but you swallow it properly! And in response only Great Russian chauvinism pours out bile. YOU CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW PREDICTABLE YOU ARE IN YOUR PRIMITIVISM! Congratulations!
  91. 0
    17 February 2014 13: 16
    Gentlemen, Hondurans, we are straining our shields. wink
    We have been using “Spruce” for a long time:
    The capital of K-na is called El Orda in Kazakh;
    NAN - in Kazakh they call Spruce Bass;
    Well, it’s logical, K-n - Kazakh Eli..
  92. antibanukurayza
    +3
    17 February 2014 15: 15
    The Russian brothers got nervous about something. Because of the change of name, something that is still foggy and blurry. You have enough of your own problems, we have enough of ours. And we all together have a lot of common problems too. Forget about this idea - it doesn't concern you. With the change of name, we are here somehow on our own... without you... Well, if within the framework of the Customs Union, the CSTO, and if you need to stand up against a common adversary, we are nearby. We are with you.
  93. +3
    17 February 2014 16: 11
    I'm sorry. The computer glitches

    Quote: Was Mammoth
    "From a sick head to a healthy one?"
    Quote: RK refugee
    This is already a consequence, and look for the reasons in yourself: in your arrogance and contemptuous attitude towards all non-Russians, including Kazakhs.

    As a consequence, I see the revival of Russian nationalism as a response. Including among those “Russian-speaking” people who left Kazakhstan.
    Can you point out where I spoke arrogantly about other nationalities? Unlikely. On the contrary, I often talk about what Russians need to learn from other peoples.
    Quote: RK refugee
    So isn’t it time to think about why such a complimentary people like the Kazakhs treat Russians (compare how Caucasians, Balts and other Central Asians treat Russians) suddenly started treating you like that for no reason at all?

    "Complimentary"? Are you talking about Vasilenko's video? Did at least one Kazakh condemn what was happening in the video?
    And I know how the descendants of the SS men from the Baltic states, the Bandera-Maidanovites and the Caucasians who massacred people treat us.
    Quote: RK refugee
    I know, because the most difficult victory is not over the enemy, but over yourself

    All you have to do is strain yourself. Best wishes.
  94. 0
    17 February 2014 17: 08
    They were taught to write while standing......neither thank you nor gratitude......Let them call themselves what they want, even God's viceroys on earth......... ...History goes in a spiral, what will they talk about their greatness when the next time an external enemy (and oh, how real it is) eats up the PRC?
    1. +2
      17 February 2014 17: 46
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      They were taught to write standing up

      I still understand when a person who has just arrived on the site is rude, but you’ve been doing this for a long time.
      1. +2
        17 February 2014 19: 01
        Rudeness is what is happening now (and since the late 80s) in Kazakhstan and other fraternal republics.... I am stating a fact! Well, maybe I put it too succinctly, they are spoiling us (Russia) openly, and we, as usual, must maintain tolerance and understanding of their internal reviving self-awareness! BUT WHY ? HOW MUCH IS POSSIBLE?..We are Russians, is this possible with us? At the Olympic Games over there (at ours), an American referee is put in charge of a game with them, the goal is not defended........ This is all possible... But should Russia understand and love everyone? Enough, stop being a whipping boy. We are Russia!
        1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          0
          17 February 2014 19: 45
          Are you drunk? Do you think that changing the name of a sovereign state is spoiling Russia? If only there were more people like you and you don’t need enemies (neither the Saudis nor the State Department), you’ll ruin everything yourself! Just a madhouse!
          1. +1
            18 February 2014 11: 17
            Mister Troll! Did you read the article carefully? Or just out of disgust? Isn’t renaming originally Russian cities founded by Russians a slap in the direction of Russia? And from Karaganda, tell me how my neighbors returned after leaving their apartment, who were building either a factory or a mine there? Have the courage to face the truth! Great Russia, it will survive petty abominations, But history, it will judge!
          2. The comment was deleted.
      2. The comment was deleted.
  95. Refugee from Kazakhstan
    -1
    17 February 2014 17: 34
    Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
    They were taught to write while standing......neither thank you nor gratitude......Let them call themselves what they want, even God's viceroys on earth......... ...History goes in a spiral, what will they talk about their greatness when the next time an external enemy (and oh, how real it is) eats up the PRC?

    Is there an open day in mental hospitals in Russia?
  96. The comment was deleted.
    1. +2
      17 February 2014 19: 25
      Quote: kazax
      you will fall, no one will give you a hand

      "How long have you been from Paris?"
      Quote: kazax
      fell apart, who drove you out of Kazakhstan huh?

      The first time I heard “Russians get out of Kazakhstan” was in December 86, and now CVR is already the norm
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        +2
        17 February 2014 19: 38
        Everyone is crazy in their own way, some collect stamps, some collect labels, and you are disgusting! You are like the eternal victim, this role suits you! I don't need any return compliments.
        1. +2
          17 February 2014 19: 45
          and what was the next stupid thing you wanted to say?
          then you talk nonsense about how vile Russians get dual citizenship, then what other nonsense can you come up with?
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            0
            17 February 2014 20: 02
            WHAT DO YOU COLLECT DUBIOUS VIDEOS, EXTRACTS FROM ARTICLES, STORIES ABOUT BAD KAZAKHES AND POST WITH MANIACIC PRINCIPALITY ON THE FORUM AFTER THE LONG-WAITED ARTICLES WHERE KAZAKHSTAN IS AT LEAST MENTIONED IN ANY WAY! WHY DO YOU HATE US?
            1. +2
              17 February 2014 20: 16
              First, remove your finger from the cap

              Now on the topic, what is dubious - is it not true?

              Who are you?!
              1. RusKaz
                +1
                18 February 2014 16: 54
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Who are you?!

                Kazakhs, of course. [although he will now say that Kazakhstanis wink ]
                He's a Kazakh. It may even be that his name is Marat)
                Onizduku is almost certainly called that) Ukrainian, damn it))
      2. kazax
        -2
        18 February 2014 12: 52
        Vasilenko Vladimir where are you from, you lived in Kazakhstan, tell me where you are oppressed, you say
        December 86, so what, they beat not only Russians but also Kazakhs, my father stood there and held them back, and he said that they were the first to attack and I believe him, and you don’t judge by just faces.
  97. rezident
    0
    17 February 2014 19: 19
    Why worry so much? Well, if they like it, let them rename it. It won't change anything anyway.
    1. 0
      17 February 2014 19: 32
      Quote: rezident
      Why worry so much? Well, if they like it, let them rename it. It won't change anything anyway.

      Yes, here there is communication and finger-picking, and the topic of renaming is an occasion to remember old grievances and complaints. So everything is in order, that’s why the site with comments is there.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  98. kazax
    -3
    17 February 2014 19: 26
    I see here that not many people defend Kazakhstan, and some actually lick ass and sit down as if they don’t see, now I understand why they don’t like you Russians so much
    1. +3
      17 February 2014 19: 42
      Quote: kazax
      and some actually lick ass and sit down as if they don’t see, now I understand why they don’t like you Russians so much

      don’t explain who is licking whom and most importantly why?!!!
    2. Veteran Vlad.
      0
      17 February 2014 19: 45
      Quote: kazax
      I see not many people defend Kazakhstan

      Don’t pay attention, I also don’t understand why there’s a fuss over the renaming of the Republic of Kazakhstan
      It is an internal matter for Kazakhstan what to call itself
    3. Clegg
      -1
      17 February 2014 20: 10
      Quote: kazax
      I see not many people defend Kazakhstan

      I am always guarding the national interests of the Kazakh state on this site)))))))
      1. +4
        17 February 2014 21: 56
        Quote: Clegg
        I am always guarding the national interests of the Kazakh state on this site)))))))

        funny, the national interests of the Republic of Kazakhstan are not being encroached upon here
    4. RusKaz
      +2
      18 February 2014 16: 58
      Quote: kazax
      Now I understand why they don’t like you Russians so much

      Who doesn't love this?
  99. Refugee from Kazakhstan
    -1
    17 February 2014 20: 15
    Thread lights out! We'll continue tomorrow! Good night Vasilenko!
    1. +3
      17 February 2014 22: 05
      Quote: RK refugee
      Thread lights out!
      did someone appoint you as an orderly?
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        0
        18 February 2014 15: 51
        Let’s write it down: the patient doesn’t understand humor!
  100. kazax
    -3
    18 February 2014 13: 01
    what ungrateful Russians you are, you say Russians, what would you do without us, you think the Russians won the war, to hell with you, the Soviet people won the war, who fucked up the USSR, you are Russian, you are only cool behind the computers, but at home you are a scum, tell me I’m wrong, you be afraid at home
    1. 0
      18 February 2014 22: 44
      First, learn to write correctly in Russian, and then talk about the role of the Russian people in the Second World War. We are not afraid, we are going to, you will answer for everything, definitely, inevitably. Now order is being restored in Ukraine, the Maidan Banderaites will be hanged. Then we will restore order in Kazakhstan.
      1. 0
        19 February 2014 10: 56
        With the Anglo-Saxon flag, will you teach us the history of the Second World War?! Our grandfathers, fathers, brothers won the Great Patriotic War only through unity. And people like you sow ethnic hatred, be it Ukraine or Syria. We are citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan and will restore order in the Republic of Kazakhstan without you.
        1. -2
          19 February 2014 13: 25
          Why didn't you like my flag? All my grandfathers and 2 great-grandfathers fought in the Second World War, one grandfather served in the army for 27 years from the 30s to the end of the 50s - for him the war began on 29.06.41/80/45 with the rank of sergeant and there are photos from him where he ended that war as a captain and writes HIS inscription on the Reichstag, and another photo against the backdrop of the Brandenburg Gate. And then a long service in the Far East... So don’t touch this topic and my flag too. And this grandfather once said that there was an unspoken law at the front that if the arriving reinforcements consisted of less than XNUMX% Russians, then with with such reinforcements the combat mission cannot be accomplished, and in critical sectors, when it was necessary to go on the attack, Russian fighters were collected from everywhere they could reach: from the rear, from the medical battalions of the lightly wounded, etc....Stalin in XNUMX made a separate toast in honor namely the RUSSIAN people and not the Kazakhs or Uzbeks or anyone else. In this speech, Stalin directly said which people from the USSR peoples won the Second World War - this is the Russian people. And the order that is now in Kazakhstan does not suit the Russian-speaking population. You still have a chance to fix everything: adopt Russian as the state language.
          1. -1
            19 February 2014 14: 09
            First of all, don’t poke, but learn to speak politely. Secondly, no one belittles the efforts that the Russian people put into victory. Thirdly, read a little history, it was not just the Russian people who fought, but the whole country. And fourthly, we don’t need to tell us what and how to do, we have an independent and superstitious country. And finally, there is democracy in the Republic of Kazakhstan, if someone doesn’t like something, let them leave. They are not forced to live in the Republic of Kazakhstan.
          2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            -1
            21 February 2014 08: 36
            The dog is yapping and the caravan is moving! You will talk to your wife about the chances, DISRESPECTED!