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Their terrible idea of ​​the beautiful. Guide to the future of our country from human rights defenders

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Dear readers, we have for you two polar news. Good - if yesterday we were discussing the need for national ideology within our narrow circle, today such a task seems to be realized at the very top. The bad news is that experienced human rights defenders from the Human Rights Council under the President of the Russian Federation (HRC) and the National Anti-Corruption Committee (NAC) have taken up the development. Moreover, they took it so famously that they promise to present a coherent ideology literally in a month, and now they are sharing its main directions. If you already hear the approaching crunch of a French loaf, then you are not mistaken - however, let's get everything in order.


The feeling of the unreality of what is happening arises already after reading the first lines of a fresh article in Izvestia with the pretentious title “The HRC and the NAC will work out the ideology of the country's development.” The characters of reference handshake, such as the chairman of the NAC and the member of the HRC Kirill Kabanov, do not hesitate to argue about the need for an ideology that consolidates society, and even assert that “historians, economists, journalists, experts responsible for the ideology will take part in its development time".

Next begins pure sur, which should be quoted in full:

“Human rights activists point out that all dynamically developing countries have their own version of a nationwide idea - the“ American dream ”in the United States,“ a society of average prosperity ”in China, and civil-law ideals in Europe. Russia lost the ideological confrontation with the West, one of the consequences of which was the flourishing of corruption after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The philosophy of personal enrichment replaced the communist ideology».

Then follow a lengthy argument that corruption is bad, but even worse, that our corruption is associated with the export of pilfered abroad. According to anti-corruption Kabanov, in tsarist times, corrupt officials were more patriotic, since they invested the dishonestly acquired in Russia. There is an opinion that such patriotism was explained by the elementary lack of technical capabilities in the 19 century to move capital with one computer click, the lack of offshore companies and globalization as such, but the anti-corruption Boar ignores these facts, explaining the patriotism of past crooks to some special “mentality” that we lost today.

This most illusive mentality, in the opinion of human rights activists, should be urgently returned by uniting the elites and society with the desire to invest in the development of the country. It can be returned, of course, by rolling back two steps back in historical development, which cannot be done without changing the economic structure in the first place. Human rights activists offer:

«Russia has always been primarily an agrarian country, therefore agrarian specificity is a historically established basic value, which in a certain historical the moment has come to naught. We need a new ideology of the land owner. A farmer is the most honest and responsible owner and employer, until he faces the threat of losing his land. A strong boss in the village is what Peter Stolypin wanted to achieve. To combat corruption, there should be an economic component of ideology that is understandable to everyone and that answers the question of where the country is going. China’s bet on the development of high technologies is not suitable for us, we can’t afford it anymore, since we are in catch-up positions. But we can have a clear agricultural idea: the fight against hunger, for example, the so-called social food».

At this point, the crunch of the French loaf became unbearable, and the sky was shielded by the mighty silhouette of the director Mikhalkov with a basket of Russian zipuns and jointer villages lovingly gathered on the ashes of Russian villages.

About how justified in the current situation, the rate on agriculture, exhaustively expressed the distinguished Anatoly Wasserman. I will only add that today, Russian agriculture and so well copes with the fight against hunger in distant countries and neatly increases this potential. If such a potential is to be increased a hundredfold, that is, to reshape the country into an agrarian manner (by abandoning other areas - the same heavy industry, since labor and capital are not enough for everything), as human rights advocates suggest, then this will naturally lead to a fall in agricultural prices. raw materials and the inevitable impoverishment of the village lovingly restored to life. That is, from the 19 century, we will naturally move into more ancient times.

The passage about the impossibility of catching up with China in the field of high technology requires special attention. In the first place, human rights activists probably confused China with Japan, otherwise it is not entirely clear why the leading China is experiencing an inescapable craze for Russian military equipment and cannot in any way even copy it properly. Although, perhaps, human rights activists under high technologies had in mind a wide range of Chinese video recorders and mp3NUMX players, but these technologies, firstly, are not high, and secondly, they are usually copied from Japanese samples. As for "we can no longer afford it (to rely on high technology - ed.), Since we are in overtaking positions," this is at least strange. The fact is that the strategy of catching up development has a lot of advantages and is successfully used by corporations and governments around the world. For example, Samsung once entered the pursuit of Apple, China itself is considered the benchmark of the “catching-up economy”, and the slogan “catch up and overtake!” Was in use in the USSR. Turning on the TV today, you can see dozens of proofs of the success of such a strategy, when in the Olympic competitions the lagging opponent keeps to the leading one, and overtakes it at the final line and becomes the champion. Sorry, dear readers, that I am writing the obvious, but as you can see for yourself, some human rights activists have not heard of them.

The second point of saving ideology from the HRC is predictably ridding the state of the domination of the special services:

«It is also important to reduce the burden on the economy of inefficient government agencies, including the power unit; its reform and alignment with the vital needs of the state and the capabilities of the country's economic complex should also become one of the elements of the new ideology».

It is possible to accept this thesis, but only if it is provided with a clear economic rationale - which structures are ineffective, what quantity and quality corresponds to the "vital needs of the state and economic complex" and how it all fits with the imagined agrarian future of Russia. So far this is just an outpouring of the professional desires of human rights defenders to the public and nothing more.

The idyllic picture of the human rights future with villages and patriotic corrupt officials harmoniously complement the fantasies of another member of the HRC, who reflects on the ideology:

“A member of the HRC, Ivan Zassoursky, believes that the ideology of Russia's development will be incomplete without attention to environmental issues.

We ourselves are not sufficiently aware of our advantages as a country. Russia is the keeper of the fifth part of fresh water on the planet, a huge part of forests. We give people water and air. And our mission is to keep them clean. This should be one of the country's development priorities. In addition, environmental technologies themselves can be an impetus for development, possessing a huge export potential - indicates Zassoursky».

It is hard to imagine how the conservation mission is combined with the task of feeding the whole world, perhaps, human rights activists among themselves simply did not consult. Or they do not know that agriculture has a more destructive impact on the environment than any other industry. All the more so on the proposed scale, when the country should actually turn into a giant food factory, and nature into a resource provider.

I will not even comment on the “giant export potential of environmental technologies” until human rights defenders give an example of at least one country that has built its economy and well-being on them.

All of the above is even in something funny, like a tank drawn by a child on square wheels with a small curve gun and a huge star on the turret. It's funny, if you do not take into account the fact that human rights defenders are threatening to present the final version in March. And then the question arises - why, in general, all this?

I have a version that we are faced with amateur, but with amateur sign. Returning to the very beginning of the article, I repeat that the need for ideology has ceased to be a marginal idea. Yesterday, the assertion that we would not allow a return to ideological dogma under any pretext seemed unshakable, and today human rights advocates themselves offer the ideology. Stop for a moment and feel here how smoothly but radically changed the mood, including the elite, since Putin’s return to the presidency.

So, the elite in time understood where the wind was blowing, and realized the inevitability of rolling changes. She realized that the request for ideology has matured so much that she is ready to be born from day to day in a spontaneous, so to speak, order. What kind of ideology it will be and how it will be implemented - at the end of the same article A. Prokhanov modestly said:

"...And third: to realize this, a breakthrough is needed, the idea of ​​a new modernization together with a new Christianization. And for this, a new elite should emerge, fully committed to the development of the country. All of these current effective managers are unable to become the new elite. And corruption - it is in the elite, it is overcome elementary. Whoever resists the idea of ​​development, bothers her - must be shot. Like in chinais'.

The current elite, naturally, does not want it to be “like in China.” He does not want to be treated like that, and does not want any other elite at all. Therefore, she is in a hurry to fit into the trend by offering her own ideology that is safe for herself. Filled with absurdities, as if unifying and saving, but in reality pursuing the only goal - in any situation, to keep it in itself unchanged. Hence, such a rush, hence such an abrupt change of rhetoric and a jumble of absurdities - now the main thing for them to swing, to delay time, in order to prepare for more thoughtful actions.

Therefore, you should not fear that all this nonsense about the villages will be taken seriously by someone - the real battles for ideology and the future are still ahead. But the fact that they are coming is already a fact, and we should be ready for them.
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  1. vladkavkaz
    vladkavkaz 15 February 2014 16: 01
    +24
    Well, if this kagal, took up the "idea", nothing smart and good will definitely not be good.
    1. skeptic-
      skeptic- 15 February 2014 17: 06
      +18
      anti-corruption Kabanov ... explaining the patriotism of the former crooks with a special “mentality” that we have lost today.

      Quote: vladkavkaz
      Well, if this kagal took up the "idea", nothing smart and good will definitely not be there.


      I agree, especially with the fact that among all these crooks to look for patriots is tantamount to finding jackals of vegetarians.
      Only the revival of machine tool industry, the construction by the state of the enterprises necessary for it, the putting up of factories for competition, and leasing, only to real specialists, teams of specialists, with a specific technological program for the development and fulfillment of orders necessary for the state. With control, publicly recognized manufacturers in a given industry. With strict legal reporting for the safety of production until a complete buyout. (If they can get started, they will themselves, continue to work on the profile) If it is still not possible to get rid of capitalism, it is better to see it in the image of a highly professional technocracy.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 15 February 2014 17: 52
        +12
        Quote: skeptic
        Only the revival of machine tool industry, the construction by the state of the enterprises necessary for it, the putting up of factories for competition, only to real specialists,

        With control, publicly recognized manufacturers,

        Who will determine the "real" specialists? LADIES, Chubais or Gref? How will the competition take place, according to friends and relatives, or more simply, according to kickbacks?
        For example, I don’t know universally recognized specialists in metallurgy, mining and many more industries. Do many people know? All this is crap, only the law for everyone and the personal responsibility of EVERYONE.
        And I repeat once again - only the dictatorship of the law, before which EVERYONE is equal. And then our "elite" reminds me of the rogue who had 400 ways to honestly borrow money from citizens.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 15 February 2014 22: 35
          +3
          Quote: ele1285
          Who will determine the "real" specialists? LADIES, Chubais or Gref? How will the competition take place, according to friends and relatives, or more simply, according to kickbacks?

          NO LADIES! Chubais will be determined as watching over our country, and the GDP will be announced as Chubais’s decision, like his puppet. If anyone doubts my forecast, I advise you to watch:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7OpoXByucs
          If anyone does not believe, I advise you to think about why Chubais did not sit down after privatization or after the Sayano-Shushenskaya, why does the GDP support the results of privatization and start a new one?
          By the way, opponents and minuscules, too, please first answer the questions from the previous paragraph, and then blame me for swamping, liberest, etc.
          Waiting for your comments, Comrades - gentlemen!
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 16 February 2014 04: 59
            +2
            wherever the bear is replaced, one more rotten and malicious venture will be born and not get chewed up like all the ideas of a mitka sucked from a finger
          2. Basil123
            Basil123 16 February 2014 14: 03
            0
            ......... launched a program for the destruction and degradation of the fleet ... warrant officers midshipmen officers are subjected to social repression ... GDP covered child pornography with drug trafficking .... Germans occupation is less terrible than the current situation in the country .. without the execution of Chubais Russia has no future ... if it weren’t for Chubais, the Americans could not win the battle for privatization ... Chubais and Kudrin watching the world behind the scenes ... a Russian miracle is the driving force ... CHUBAIS I WOULD PUT ON THE PIT))) ) but the fact that in this film is Takya Ueta))))) wake up Mironov
          3. saber1357
            saber1357 17 February 2014 02: 38
            0
            Guys, this character "S_mirnov" is not "Smirnov" at all, as we all already understood. He deliberately scoffs at the guss surname, so I’ll name a little boizza for the pile. And he also scoffs at common sense, considering us all idiots (which is in full agreement with the previous statement, by the way) who do not know how to identify liberal cliches.
    2. Fin
      Fin 15 February 2014 18: 25
      +1
      Quote: vladkavkaz
      Well, if this kagal took up the "idea", nothing smart and good will definitely not be there.

      But it is possible to calculate the enemies of the country that have not yet been discovered. The ideology they wrote can be sent to the toilet and entrusted to real patriots. And these, as those who failed to send.
      1. Angro Magno
        Angro Magno 16 February 2014 13: 30
        0
        While open, take a break.
    3. jjj
      jjj 15 February 2014 22: 58
      +1
      People need to do something, so they compose something that is smart enough. It is clear that this initiative is work for the trash can. The core of state ideology itself has already taken shape - it is a great power where all peoples can live freely and quietly according to their traditions that do not contradict Russian legislation, but at the same time, all attempts at external pressure are denied. And how is it with the protection of nature or the fight against corruption - this is the professional activity of authorized special agencies
      1. alexng
        alexng 16 February 2014 00: 44
        +1
        Quote: jjj
        People need to do something, so they compose something that is smart enough.


        In confirmation of your layer there is one saying:
        Young, old does not become a Sage! He becomes an old asshole ...
    4. pawel1961
      pawel1961 15 February 2014 23: 32
      +2
      Kagal correctly noticed
    5. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 16 February 2014 04: 56
      0
      I don’t understand the phrase - full of zipuns and fungi, huh there are jointer? (preferred carpentry tool)
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    6. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 16 February 2014 15: 57
      0
      Guys, what positive things these "lebirasts" have done in 20 years, nothing, their heads are weak at the head of two weary economists of our time, "Messrs. G ... and Chu ... so much shit ... they have imposed on the country, so much we did twenty more we will rake. Moreover, our government, being fans of g and chu, is leading the country in general to nowhere. The thief must sit, this is the slogan that is now relevant, and our slogan is not just ridiculous and pathetic for 37 years.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 15 February 2014 16: 05
    +16
    Where all sorts of human rights defenders begin to rule the state - dissidents begin to ruin and the collapse of the economy - all sorts of MMM and effective managers in quotation marks come to the forefront - one KOVALEV that stands for this character I have a persistent ALLERGY as I recall the guys he sold in Chechnya, in general nits. ..y.
    1. Name
      Name 15 February 2014 22: 46
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Where any human rights defenders begin to rule the state, dissidents begin to devastate

      +++
  3. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 15 February 2014 16: 06
    +25
    Somehow like this...

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    2. does it
      does it 15 February 2014 16: 37
      +4
      [quote = Roman 1977] Well, something like this ...
      No! Not so, but more straightforward:
  4. avt
    avt 15 February 2014 16: 06
    +5
    I agree with the author good very ... ingenious - carriers of "universal human values", after useless attempts to ridicule the special way of development of the Russian World and the realization that without an idea, with appealing only to the stomach, which they regularly did while admiring the presence of various varieties of sausage, they decided to ride a wave of search for the idea of ​​building a society, And of course, on the sly, they will vyuhivat their own, reasonable, eternal. And now they are sorely lacking serfs in the village. No, I do not mind if this whole pack goes somewhere to plow the land and live on what it produces, and not on the grants they receive. “It's a pity - to live in this wonderful time
    I won't have to - neither me, nor you. "We won't wait, alas!
  5. My address
    My address 15 February 2014 16: 06
    +6
    Dear forum users!
    I suggest that you type in the internet "Vasily Melnichenko" and read in "Expert" his last year's speech on the development of agriculture in my Middle Urals. I guarantee you won't regret it. The impression is that these defenders, under the strict guidance of a boy with an iPhone, have already reached agriculture.
  6. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 15 February 2014 16: 07
    +4
    "Let the goat into the garden ...!"
  7. parus2nik
    parus2nik 15 February 2014 16: 07
    +6
    ... the development took on seasoned human rights defenders from the Human Rights Council under the President of the Russian Federation (HRC) and the National Anti-Corruption Committee ....Ideology will not be ... a hot iron will burn out Memory ...
  8. major071
    major071 15 February 2014 16: 10
    +37
    And this der.mo will develop the ideology of Russia? We were sold, gentlemen, comrades!
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 15 February 2014 17: 26
      +8
      Quote: major071
      And this der.mo will develop the ideology of Russia?

      Vladimir, hi ! Well, how do you not understand, the cornerstone for these "ideologists" is GRANT. Without him, the existence and existence of a "conscientious" human rights defender cannot be. The handshake rate depends and correlates with the number of grants. You cannot be the conscience of the nation and receive a camp ration from a totalitarian state, and not a free grant from the stronghold of freedom. Receiving a grant by any available and not available, and no matter from what hands - a very exciting issue for a "human rights activist". laughing laughing!
      1. major071
        major071 15 February 2014 21: 14
        +6
        Victor, welcome! hi You are a huge plus precisely for this comment. Everything to the point! good
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 15 February 2014 18: 54
      +5
      Perhaps my slogans will be considered extremist, but I’ll still say that we should unite around Putin and, in the most literal sense, burn all this Medvedev’s gang with hot iron.
      1. demel2
        demel2 15 February 2014 19: 54
        +1
        Oh how it will not just burn out, there are already a bunch of jackals gathered concrete.
        1. Slavapom
          Slavapom 16 February 2014 10: 25
          0
          "Oh, how not easy it will be to burn out, there are already a bunch of jackals gathered concrete."
          The more they gather around Medvedev, the easier it will be to strangle them, with one decisive action, and even less will have to run around to look for them around the ball.
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 15 February 2014 20: 22
        +3
        Quote: Basarev
        will unite around Putin and, in the most literal sense, with a hot iron to burn all this Medvedev gang

        I'm afraid Putin will not understand you! laughing
      3. s1н7т
        s1н7т 15 February 2014 20: 22
        0
        Quote: Basarev
        will unite around Putin and, in the most literal sense, with a hot iron to burn all this Medvedev gang

        I'm afraid Putin will not understand you! laughing
      4. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 16 February 2014 05: 06
        0
        but didn’t Putin entrust Mitka with the country to steer?
    3. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 15 February 2014 20: 53
      +6
      I would like to DELEGATE all these "best minds" of Russia to the USA, EU, Israel, with their "fresh ideas" free of charge, that is, for free, and preferably for life... In order for them to finally find themselves in "worthy" countries and work for the "prosperity" of these countries, let them also take with them Ukrainian like-minded people - libeRastov. And then they manage to live "for a raskoryak": - "suffer" in Russia, but it turns out that he is also a citizen of the USA, or Israel, or Germany, or some other country - "Trojan" Horse.
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 16 February 2014 01: 03
        +1
        Quote: ia-ai00
        I would like to DELEGATE all these "best minds" of Russia to the USA, EU, Israel


        Better to North Korea, so more reliable.
    4. cosmos111
      cosmos111 15 February 2014 21: 25
      0
      Quote: major071
      And this der.mo will develop the ideology of Russia? We were sold, gentlemen, comrades!

      these are clowns, they a priori have nothing to sell ((((
      they were hired, they did their job and left ((((
    5. saber1357
      saber1357 17 February 2014 02: 40
      0
      What terrible faces! Is this Jerome Bosch probably painting?
  9. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 15 February 2014 16: 12
    +13
    Shit ... Cash cow ideology. Judging by these statements, these "ideologists" want to hammer into people's heads that Russia is not a great power, and never was, but was and should be a source of resources and products for "civilized countries." It seems that the "ideologists" got another suitcase of bucks from the West
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 15 February 2014 18: 56
      +2
      Yes ban all foreign currencies in Russia and destroy all their stocks by returning to the sender
  10. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 15 February 2014 16: 17
    +12
    Well, let’s say that democratic human rights activists haven’t led Russia to anything good, I’ll never forgive them..m 90 and those guys in Chechnya on both sides, now these tv..ri are back on horseback and are trying to twist their crap ideology , Mr. President, chase this shushera to a parasite, well, let's say on a new land and the task of growing pineapples, maybe then something in the country will really start working for people.
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 15 February 2014 16: 41
      +1
      I agree. with them you need the principle-listen to a woman and do the opposite.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 15 February 2014 18: 57
        +1
        Woman with a cart - the mare is easier
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 15 February 2014 16: 44
      +3
      Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
      well, let's say on a new land and the task of growing pineapples

      Well, right away, pineapples ... Let them practice on the corn!
  11. Duke
    Duke 15 February 2014 16: 42
    +22
    My father, DTN, professor Karpov, the developer of the USSR’s most massive transistor P14, asked me not to call him an intellectual. I think it means something.
    1. jjj
      jjj 15 February 2014 23: 02
      +1
      That's right, an intellectual is a curse
  12. Humpty
    Humpty 15 February 2014 16: 57
    +12
    G * apparently the nation was going to create the Russian idea. Some kind of nonsense. Article plus.
  13. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 15 February 2014 17: 02
    +2
    Human rights activists-dissidents began to "undermine" the USSR since 1965 after the beginning of Khrushchev's "first perestroika" (he was already "gone", but his "business" began to gain momentum) and how did it end ...?!
  14. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 15 February 2014 17: 04
    +7
    let ... let frolic so far, burry. see how they howl after the Olympics. remember my words - everything will change, very fast, very tough.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 15 February 2014 17: 12
      +2
      Look forward to.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 15 February 2014 18: 15
        0
        Give GOD something!
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        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 15 February 2014 20: 25
          +1
          You are sick? Pi-pez, what a hell does that dwell here!
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    2. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 18: 20
      +5
      Quote: Silkway0026
      let ... let frolic so far, burry. see how they howl after the Olympics. remember my words - everything will change, very fast, very tough.

      Well, you give a pancake - heard a lot of rumors that after the LIMPIADS they will put things in order.
      Yes THEY CAN'T FIGHT FOR YOURSELF WITH YOURSELF - it's like BEES AGAINST HONEY
  15. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 15 February 2014 17: 15
    +6
    What, have not all been "covered" for their "500 days", and after them? Failed to finish off the country immediately? Do you want to "steer" the country again? The people for this "elite" - ... And what, they will lead the country to a "bright future, for the sake of this" cattle "? Does Putin really not understand what the" diligence "of these" cream of society "will lead the country to?
    Here such NEWS, more and more often lead to the thought: - you need a DICTATOR! An honest man, a worker, is not afraid of a dictator, but at this seam ... and heels will shake, and rightly so! They will be afraid to steal, lie and sweep the country, they will try It is EFFECTIVE to spend the state treasury, since the punishment will inevitably overtake for mistakes, and not as it is now: - stole on 20 criminal cases, and the whole country has been watching the series for a whole year: - "He is GUILTY ... but he is NOT GUILTY. .. "!
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 15 February 2014 19: 03
      +5
      Therefore, this whole Einsatzgruppe is so zealous in denigrating Stalin
    2. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 19: 43
      0
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Doesn't Putin really understand where the "zeal" of these "cream of society" will lead the country?

      YES BLIN PUTIN AND THEY ARE ONE GUN, he is their LETTER. ENOUGH ALREADY THE Tsar (Putin) is GOOD, and the Boyars (Officials measures governors deputies) BAD
      What is such a pop and parish. Remember the Minister of Agriculture, Skrynik and Zurabov, Serdyukov Vasilyev, these are the bastards of Putin
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 16 February 2014 08: 47
        0
        Quote: Veteran Vlad.
        Remember the Minister of Agriculture Skrynnik and Zurabov, Serdyukov Vasilyeva are the bastards of Putin

        Well, yes, the bad "kids" of a good guy.
  16. andrei332809
    andrei332809 15 February 2014 17: 43
    +3
    Interestingly, these morons themselves believe that?
  17. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 February 2014 17: 54
    +8
    Oh-ho-stinkers-ho-ho ... No, of course I understand that everything is bad with the HRC and the NAC, but so much ...
    Agriculture instead of high technology delivered not childishly. Export of environmental technologies ... what a charm. fool
    Gentlemen, human rights activists, improve the nation’s gene pool already, come on, gather everything on Red Square and, with your forehead, into the Kremlin wall, from the start.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 15 February 2014 18: 14
      +3
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      , come, gather everything on Red Square and - forehead, into the Kremlin wall, with a take-off run.
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 15 February 2014 19: 07
      +3
      Maybe it’s better to unearth the steam catapult of Ulyanovsk? It’s more massive and effective
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 February 2014 23: 43
        +1
        Quote: Basarev
        Perhaps it is better to unearth the steam catapult of Ulyanovsk?

        M-dya, and Monsieur knows a lot about perversions! laughing
        Respect and respect! drinks
  18. tank64rus
    tank64rus 15 February 2014 18: 08
    +1
    It is high time to remove this th ... but the nation, as V. I. Lenin called them, from Power to places where it is cooler, otherwise they are probably already tired in the "hot shop."
  19. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 15 February 2014 18: 21
    +2
    The article is neither plus nor minus. The only common thought is to focus on the fact that those who actively care for it will be involved in the national idea. Everything else is blurry and strained.
    I can only add that today, Russian agriculture is already coping well with the fight against hunger in faraway countries and is carefully building up this potential. If such a potential is increased a hundredfold, that is, redrawing the country in an agrarian manner (abandoning other areas - the same heavy industry, since there will not be enough labor and capital for everything),
    I fundamentally disagree with this statement, we do not provide ourselves with food to the level necessary for food security. And the village provides not only food. Now our main problem is the demographic crisis, and the village coped with the replenishment of the population much better than the cities. And no one says that it is necessary to completely switch to the agricultural sector, abandoning heavy industry. Author, do not rush to extremes, all this can be combined, the USSR proved it. And in pre-revolutionary Russia, with its agrarian, heavy industry was in good shape. hi
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 15 February 2014 18: 42
      +3
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Author, do not rush to extremes

      I agree, Igor hi
      Today is some day of provocative articles and crazy Internet cavalrymen laughing
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 15 February 2014 18: 59
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        crazy internet cavalry

        Hi, Ilyich. hi Super Zhenya has always been distinguished by such articles. Common slogans with associative cliches, but there is no integrity of thought.
  20. Stinger
    Stinger 15 February 2014 18: 52
    +6
    From songs about sausage at the end of the 80s they switched to songs about a plow and religious processions. We can congratulate the "ideologists". This is what dishonest elections lead to. All the brains went for a walk without the knowledge of the owners. They remember their favorite.
    A strong boss in the village is what Peter Stolypin wanted to achieve.
    And it turned out Stolypin ties and carriages. Strong energy, liberals said. And, having broken the indestructible, according to the Soviet designers, Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station for some 5 years, they energetically brought it to collapse. A strong boss in the village also somehow did not work out. They gave a few hectares of collective farm land and a shovel for each. Work, they say, a peasant free from communist slavery. And again, nothing. One Sterligov responded to the field of how tired of speculating. And rushing about in a jeep from the plow to the stock exchange.
  21. polly
    polly 15 February 2014 19: 33
    +16
    Well, and what can this member of the HRC write, what ideology is for Russia? When he preached his ideology from the screen, the people spit ...
    1. jjj
      jjj 15 February 2014 23: 06
      +2
      Good photo, intelligible
    2. Tatarus
      Tatarus 16 February 2014 01: 07
      +1
      Remove glasses, add hair and straight Neanderthal from the school textbook.



  22. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 15 February 2014 19: 39
    +6
    "China's bet on the development of high technologies does not suit us, ..."
    Who, them? By name you can.
    The bet on the development of high technologies is suitable for us.
  23. Igor
    Igor 15 February 2014 20: 00
    +3
    Interestingly, human rights activists offer to shoot people like in China. But what will happen if the human rights activists themselves are shot? How much will our ideology strengthen then?
  24. siberalt
    siberalt 15 February 2014 20: 01
    +6
    The liberals clearly went head-on. The brighter they "glow", the smaller their eyelids. Russian society is consolidating, contrary to their forecasts. And he understands who is going to the HRC with his HSE - an incubator for the mass production of Russophobic fosterlings.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 15 February 2014 20: 53
      +4
      Quote: siberalt
      The liberals obviously went head-on.

  25. demel2
    demel2 15 February 2014 20: 11
    +2
    If the president appointed the gang of parasites to develop the state’s ideology, it’s very bad, it means that the president has absolutely any ideology and the author rejoices in vain, because I think he perfectly understands what they are like. Looks like this so throw something let hawala. And yet it talks about the attitude of the so-called elites to their own people. IMHO
  26. Neophyte
    Neophyte 15 February 2014 20: 11
    +3
    The article is normal! It would be nice to put a list of traitors on each fence. And as for natural resources for sale over a hill, life-long in Novaya Zemlya \ Holy Nose Bay \.
    By the way, black soil has long been exported to Ukraine, and Yanyk gave part of the Crimea to the Chinese, and the toy-kapets after the Chinese fertilizers!
  27. demel2
    demel2 15 February 2014 20: 20
    +1
    In my opinion, the best minds of the state should develop an ideology (where can I only get them?) And not a bunch of loafers on my knees for a couple of months. For such an attitude, you need to ask yourself know who. IMHO
  28. sinukvl
    sinukvl 15 February 2014 20: 44
    +10
    Liberal is like a diagnosis. What they were 100, 200 years ago, they remained so. That's really Russophobia dinosaurs. Below I quote the thoughts of the classics about them, read it took more than a hundred years, but they have not changed.

    F.I. Tyutchev:

    “... One could give an analysis of the modern phenomenon, which is becoming increasingly pathological in nature. This is Russophobia of some Russian people ... Previously, they told us, and they really believed that in Russia they hate lawlessness, lack of freedom of the press, etc. etc., what exactly is the indisputable presence of all this in it that they like Europe ... And now what do we see? As Russia, seeking more freedom, asserts itself more and more, the dislike of these gentlemen only intensifies. They never hated previous institutions so much as they hate modern trends in social thought in Russia.
    As for Europe, as we see, no violations in the field of justice, morality, and even civilization have in the least reduced their disposition towards it ... In a word, in the phenomenon I am talking about, there can be no question of principles as such only instincts ... ".

    AS Pushkin

    You enlightened your mind,
    You saw the truth
    And dearly loved the nations,
    And he hated his wisdom.

    And to cheer you up

    In the classroom, a new teacher:
    - My name is Immanuil Moiseevich, I am a liberal. Children, take turns introducing yourself in the same way
    as I...
    - My name is Masha, I am a liberal ...
    - My name is Styopa, I am a liberal ...
    - My name is Little Johnny, I am Stalinist.
    - Little Johnny, why are you a Stalinist? !!
    - My mother is a Stalinist, my dad is a Stalinist, my grandmother is a Stalinist, my friends are Stalinist and I, too
    Stalinist.
    - Little Johnny, and if your mother were a prostitute, your dad was a drug addict, grandmother
    - a lesbian, and friends - gay, who would you be then ?!
    “Then I would be a liberal.”


    And so think at your leisure
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 15 February 2014 23: 01
      +1
      He would ball 100%, the winner of the SHOW "One to One"
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 16 February 2014 04: 52
      +1
      And so? Http: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/210/obbm560.jpg
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 16 February 2014 04: 52
      +1
      And so?
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/210/obbm560.jpg
  29. Ppsh
    Ppsh 15 February 2014 20: 46
    0
    Guys! Ask yourself: do we really need any kind of ideology?
    Can't we live, work in our country, love wives, raise children, take care of the elderly? ...
    If necessary, take a rifle. What doctrine needs to be invented just to be human?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 15 February 2014 22: 20
      +2
      ideology for the country, it’s like a character for a person.
  30. ed65b
    ed65b 15 February 2014 21: 06
    +3
    what ideology, the goal did not count, yayayaya oooh crying
    1. jjj
      jjj 15 February 2014 23: 09
      +4
      American judge did not score a goal against his team in protest against violation of homosexual rights in Russia
  31. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 February 2014 21: 30
    +2
    Come on. They will do it, we neigh and score. Ideology without nationalism, in its positive manifestation, will not work. When our cultural figures begin to openly smirk for highs like "Anticipation" and "Bastards", when for polls, like the one that was at "Rain", they start not hesitating to beat the face in public, then it will be possible to talk about ideology. When the TRP badge will be a status thing, or something like that, when CWP and military service will be the norm. When the right to hold arms will be a privilege, not an obligation. These are the results of ideology. In the meantime, it's just a fermentation of shit, no more.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 16 February 2014 03: 24
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      When the right to hold arms in their hands will be a privilege, not an obligation. These are the results of ideology.

      You are speaking correctly. But for this you need to educate PARIOTS - people who love their homeland. And for this, ideology is needed - a nationwide idea that leads like-minded people forward. What to do with a liberal bastard who disagrees with the great popular idea and wants to live differently? Beat the rights, deprive of citizenship, the ability to occupy the state. posts and so on. And the least need to listen to Western liberals with their gays and lesbians. There can be only one criterion - the benefit to the state, regardless of nationality, religion, property status. Something like this. IMHO.
  32. treskoed
    treskoed 15 February 2014 21: 34
    +2
    Therefore, do not be afraid that all this nonsense about the villages will be taken seriously by someone in power

    This is what you should be afraid of! So many have already been taken seriously by the authorities of all kinds of nonsense - in education, health care, social security, culture, defense .... All that remains is to provide an "ideological" base - and we are in ... ope (not in Europe).
  33. assam4
    assam4 15 February 2014 21: 38
    +2
    China's bet on high technology does not suit us
    The appointment in 2008 of Chubais (who has no technical education) as the head of Rusnano buried hopes for the development of Russian high technologies. And in 2010, Medvedev awarded the Order of Merit to the Fatherland, 4th degree.
    1. vvp2412
      vvp2412 15 February 2014 23: 22
      0
      IPhone awarded Star of Hero of Russia to his chief thief Serdyukov!
      What is worse?
  34. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 February 2014 22: 27
    +4
    That you criticize them as if they are important. Discuss my proposed ideology. Suddenly she will be received in a month.
    Respect the memory of ancestors (Rain, Pusi, Shenderovich)
    Keep your tongue (volunteer volunteer)
    religious holidays are not state holidays. The state does not interfere and does not facilitate the conduct of religious rites. Believers of any faith should not interfere with other citizens.
    The state keeps traditional family values.
    Military service is an honorable duty.
    Rights and obligations are equal. For example, the right to study is the obligation to study
    the right to work - the duty to work
    and so on.
    Respect for tradition.
    The education of patriotic feelings and respect for national symbols. (National symbols are not only: a flag, coat of arms, anthem, but Red Square, the Volga River, etc.)
    The development of villages, villages and small towns, as the main backbone of the country.
    National interests are the only priority.

    Caring for the people.
    The state protects citizens (mandatory preventive medical examination)
    When concluding a contract or on a label, a small handwriting (poorly readable) is considered a concealment of information. Administratively punishable.
    Private property is equal to private property. (For example, the private property of an oligarch cannot be more important than the property of residents of a nearby village)
    1. assam4
      assam4 15 February 2014 23: 11
      0
      Under the USSR, almost all of this was ...
  35. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 15 February 2014 22: 33
    -1
    You are in vain fearing gentlemen, comrades, this is Russia, the authorities have neither authority nor power to promote any ideology. Neither sensible nor stupid. We are waiting for a stronger and more adequate ...
  36. bairat
    bairat 15 February 2014 23: 05
    0
    I can only add that today, Russian agriculture is already coping well with the fight against hunger in faraway countries and is carefully building up this potential.

    What a nonsense.
    Turning on the TV today, you can see dozens of confirmations of the success of such a strategy, when in the Olympic competitions the lagging opponent holds on to the leading one, and overtakes him at the final line

    Turning on the TV, phone, computer or any other device, you can see with 99% confidence that it was not made in Russia. Screwdriver assemblies do not count; we do not have our own element base.
  37. A. Yaga
    A. Yaga 15 February 2014 23: 06
    +2
    What kind of ideology will it be and how will it be implemented? A. Prokhanov modestly said at the end of the same article:

    “... And the third: in order to realize this, a breakthrough is needed, the idea of ​​a new modernization along with a new Christianization. And for this a new elite should appear, completely devoted to the idea of ​​developing the country. All these current effective managers cannot become the new elite. And corruption is in the elite, it is defeated in an elementary way. Whoever resists the idea of ​​development, interferes with it, must be shot. Like in china»

    But Prokhanov is smart!
  38. Karabin
    Karabin 15 February 2014 23: 17
    +4
    Dear readers, we have two polar news for you.

    Let me clarify, who has "with us"? Author Eugene Super - a creative pseudonym for a group of people? Or does the author speak on behalf of and on behalf of an organization? Or maybe Eugene already has a mania like "We, Nicholas II"?
    two polar news. Good - if yesterday we discussed the necessity of national ideology within our narrow circle, today such a task seems to have been realized at the very top. The bad news is that seasoned human rights defenders from the Presidential Human Rights Council (HRC) and the National Anti-Corruption Committee (NAC) took up the development.

    the author does not give any arguments in favor of the fact that “today such a task seems to be realized at the very top.” If it is fair to consider the “very top” of the president, then as recently as December, the GDP, not without satisfaction, noted that the Constitution the country is not burdened by any ideology. True, earlier the GDP was broadcasting about some kind of "braces", but "braces" are still not an ideology. It seems to me that Super, somewhere in the media, read about the body movements of the HRC, and to this he pulled by the ears "awareness of the task at the top." Well, let's say we accept the Super version. Then where did the author get the idea that this news is polar? The top, for example, are concerned about the ideology, the HRC and the NAC have attended to the development, everything is logical, given that the HRC is -1. Council under the President of the Russian Federation for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights; 2. The Council is guided by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, federal constitutional laws, federal laws, decrees and orders of the President of the Russian Federation; 3. Council Regulation and its composition is approved by the President of the Russian Federation.
    Therefore, do not be afraid that all this nonsense about the villages will be taken seriously by someone in power

    Life says the opposite. WTO - reality, juvenile showers are pushed through the Duma, and so on (See. Comment treskoed).
    1. Normal
      Normal 16 February 2014 00: 08
      +1
      Quote: Karabin
      Or does the author say on behalf and on behalf of a certain organization?

      Likely. "Ours", "Young Russia", "Young Guard", "Walking Together", "Youth Unity" and other Surkovo - Yakimenkovsky pro-Kremlin organizations Alma mater of such authors.
  39. vvp2412
    vvp2412 15 February 2014 23: 20
    +2
    All LIBERASTS and TOLERASTS put against the wall and shoot! Having previously given them mercilessly to rape the PEDERASTS!
  40. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 15 February 2014 23: 26
    +1
    It was necessary to start doing this 15 years ago, when the nouveau riche and the market showed the people their first, milk, teeth. I remember well when Ryzhiy and Gref on TV polemicized on the topic "Is there a need for state ideology in Russia". Well, at least now the state is forced to do this. Only the developers - "the fifth column - all without exception", they would be sent to the taiga. I would instruct A. Wasserman to engage in ideology in Russia, he would have succeeded!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 16 February 2014 04: 25
      +1
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      I would instruct A. Wasserman to engage in ideology in Russia, he would succeed!

      Nikolay, you are an internationalist. Apparently, historical experience suggests that the God-chosen ones know better than others what the gentiles need. Christ is the ideology for the slave, Moses is the justification of the power of the rich, Marx is the ideology for the lumpen, Shaklgruber is national chauvinism for the burgher (the lady master, their mother), Ulyanov is the ideology for the proletariat,
      For whom will Wasserman "write" ideals? In a society divided into classes, you need to take a certain side, because class interests do not coincide. And the national idea should unite everyone, dear and close to everyone: both Chubais and K *, and Ivanov, and Akhmetov and Ali bek khanov ... So, besides the idea of ​​justice, equality of all before the law and its supremacy from top to bottom, social responsibility of the leaders and the oligarchs for the prestige of the Russian Federation, the state of affairs in the country, for the lives and well-being of ordinary workers - nothing worthwhile comes to mind.
      But first of all, the moneybags who evade taxes, the oligarchs who unjustly made capital, etc., will not like this.
      I think the unity of our people in the first place will not appeal to puppeteers in the West ... Therefore, long and hard work remains to develop a national ideology for our unique country. IMHO.
  41. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 15 February 2014 23: 54
    +1
    It would be interesting to ask the Administrator. Is there already enough "shoulder straps" to create Our party? To really hear us ..! Otherwise, as one good girl used to say, why love ..? why suffer .. if all paths lead to bed.
  42. komsomolets
    komsomolets 16 February 2014 00: 21
    0
    If you would know the guys in which I am binge now. I’m just ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 16 February 2014 00: 48
      +2
      Come on old man, pull yourself together! Tomorrow just stupidly wallow in bed and drink more water. Tea with lemon is a nice thing !!! No pickles! Of course I don’t get drunk, but it’s also a lot of fun after 2 days. Remember ... -TEA WITH LEMON CONSTANT !!! Checked
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 16 February 2014 00: 59
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        TEA WITH LEMON CONSTANT !!! Checked


        I definitely support Denis! Hello to you and good health!
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 16 February 2014 01: 04
          +1
          Hi Sanya! And you don’t get sick! I watched hockey today? Then I talked with my bro on Skype (Canadian). They say that everything was garlic (about an unprotected puck). at 5 o'clock in the morning!
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 16 February 2014 01: 07
            +1
            Quote: Den 11
            Hi Sanya! And you don’t get sick! Did you watch hockey today? Then I spoke with my bro on Skype (Canadian). They say that everything was garlic (about an unprotected puck).


            And in order that there would be no contentious issues, it is necessary to return the Soviet school of hockey, they beat and beat for years, without looking back at anything. They beat and won, beat and won, beat and scored, scored, scored !!! drinks
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 16 February 2014 01: 16
              +1
              I absolutely agree! Okay, we will look further. Our defense is frankly weak. This is a fact. drinks
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 16 February 2014 01: 26
              0
              Quote: studentmati
              hell to return the Soviet hockey school,
              the famous five-Tretiak, Fetisov, Kasatonov, Bykov, Larionov, Makarov, Krutov. Until now, their game before the eyes of the Soviet TV)))) clearly, harmoniously, and now only Datsyuk, and even to their level he lacks something. Probably speed and youth ..
              and so everyone performs abroad, aces, but here somehow it’s not that. maybe patriotism is not enough for them.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 16 February 2014 01: 35
                0
                Great friend! It seems that there is patriotism, objectively we are weaker than them. Have you watched?
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 16 February 2014 01: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Den 11
                  Great friend! It seems that there is patriotism, objectively we are weaker than them. Have you watched?

                  Hello, I watched it, but didn’t follow the national team’s game for a long time. It can still be straightened, like pasta in 82 football or as Spaniards in 2010 ... After all, everyone plays in the NHL
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 16 February 2014 01: 54
                    +1
                    Well, you're a smart guy, you understand that laudatory odes are sung by everyone! Those Czechs rely on their aged Jagr! Amerikosy are the ONLY of all who are not afraid to go ANY game in ANY country of the world! They shit and smear the opinion of fans where they play. Such processing they have (maybe in some ways the right one). If the Che-6 fleet pulls up and spreads this country in a frying pan! My brother explained to me.
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 16 February 2014 02: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Den 11
                      Such is their treatment (maybe in some ways correct). If the Che-6 fleet will catch up and smear this country in a pan!
                      The Epishchev case lives and wins smile it means they are well-versed. It also seems that in the days of the USSR they were taught to win. And now what, they’ll lose .... the headphones in your ears, iPhone in your hands and let's chat with your girl! A flight across the ocean, and there you will find your cool Ferrari car at the airport and beer in the refrigerator. And then retirement and returning home, joining the ruling party and the deputy badge. That's all patriotism
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 16 February 2014 02: 22
                        0
                        Unfortunately you’re right! I’ve read the website (Amer) www.nhl.com about this game (it’s always interesting to hear the opinion of the other side), so read it (if you drag in English, if not, through the translator (there is such a function) ) -interesting in their opinion about the game
              2. studentmati
                studentmati 16 February 2014 01: 40
                +1
                Quote: smersh70
                maybe patriotism is not enough for them.


                Patriotism is definitely not enough!
                Quote: Den 11


                It seems patriotism is, objectively we are weaker


                Patriotism is the will to win, which is above all. Practicing poorly, then not a patriot! It's my opinion.
            3. Tra-ta-ta
              Tra-ta-ta 16 February 2014 02: 07
              +1
              G-yes, I also stare at the game of the previous CSKA and listen to N. Ozerov. Unfortunately, we will never see anything like this in terms of the combination game .. and we will never hear a real commentator .. Well-coordinated combo games are constant training away from temptations. The guys themselves (the first ones) said this when they left for Canada . Now everyone is playing Amer.hockey: individual skill and a dump at the gates .. It's sad.
  43. wanderer
    wanderer 16 February 2014 00: 28
    +2
    And that's not all.
    1. v53993
      v53993 16 February 2014 04: 09
      0
      And that's not all.

      The best vomit.
  44. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 16 February 2014 00: 32
    0
    Today I visited a new bookstore, and by chance during a meeting I got into the social and political department, my God, the storyteller Gaidar, the traitor Rezvun, Misha Kudrin, Misha labeled - a whole pantheon, publishers are all so serious, quality books are smooth, ... the seller reassured me, she said that they received one copy, no one takes it anyway, but they print, in gloss, on good paper - for centuries, publishers just won’t print, they pay and judging by the exhibition very well.
  45. Current 72
    Current 72 16 February 2014 01: 43
    +4
    It’s bad when a pattyman sticks his boots, and a shoemaker bakes pies! And in Russia it is at every step. And until the real experts take up the matter, there will be nothing, no ideology, and no industrial and agricultural industry.
  46. konvalval
    konvalval 16 February 2014 02: 40
    0
    They (these writers) have made a mistake to offer such a nonsense in ideas. It is better to entrust this business to Novodvorskaya and the hog, sorry to the hog.
  47. Magadan
    Magadan 16 February 2014 03: 17
    +1
    The author is wonderful, Eugene’s articles are really Super, but I just can’t understand why what is it that Wasserman is so hawked with the idea of ​​developing a village? Why is the village and agriculture opposed to the new industrialization? Why do not they see that human potential is best just in the village and is developing?
    The guys who talked with the village guys didn’t notice that the boys there from the age of 12 not only know how to hunt, fish and care for the garden / livestock, but in their early years they already think in electrics, mechanics and even building business? Where am I, a child of asphalt to these boys! At the same time, they smoke, drink quietly, but for some reason the city will fill up with one left! And I saw this everywhere, as a child in Ukraine, now in the distant villages of the Magadan region!
    Moreover - the current village is not always a wooden toilet and a kerosene lamp. There is so much equipment now used in households that, to achieve adulthood, you will inevitably become a physicist and a car mechanic without any special education.
    Once again - I respect the author very much, but in this case, together with Wasserman, they will open their eyes and take a closer look at this initiative for the development of the village and agriculture as a fundamental factor in the development of our entire country and people
  48. v53993
    v53993 16 February 2014 04: 04
    0
    Another attempt to reinvent the bicycle. We have always had, have and will have a national idea. And it is so strong that today's "caliphs for an hour" are afraid to talk about it today.
  49. alpenstock
    alpenstock 16 February 2014 14: 39
    0
    just leave it here ... / tired /
  50. Galan
    Galan 16 February 2014 15: 52
    0
    The national idea should crystallize in the minds of the people, and not in the delirium of the SPS members. They are in a hurry for the trend, so as they say "not to lose the wave." Therefore, they grind all sorts of nonsense.