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Ex-guard Ahmad Shah Masouda: “Until the last soldier is buried in Afghanistan, the war is not over”

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Ex-guard Ahmad Shah Masouda: “Until the last soldier is buried in Afghanistan, the war is not over”



25 years ago, Soviet troops left Afghanistan. However, there are still searches for missing soldiers. During the war, Nikolai Bystrov was captured and became the personal security guard of the Mujahideen commander Ahmad Shah Massoud. His history he told the Voice of Russia

Now, almost every year for several months, he helps the special committee to look for former Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan. Nikolai Bystrov and Yuri Stepanov, who returned to his homeland with his help, told their voices to the Voice of Russia.

Nikolai Bystrov was born in 1964 in the Krasnodar Territory. At eighteen, he was called into service. And after a few months he was captured in Afghanistan. Tried to run, but failed. Miraculously survived after the beatings, he first met with the commander of the Mujahideen Ahmad Shah. After a second failed attempt to escape, he accepted his fate. Nicholas learned the language, learned to live among Afghans and eventually converted to Islam. About two years later, in preparation for the retreat, Massoud provided the prisoners with the opportunity to return to their homeland or escape, but Bystrov decided to stay.

"Masood gathered us all together, seven people, and said:" So, guys, who wants to go abroad? Who wants to go back to the Soviet Union? To the Soviet Union or to America, or to England, or to Pakistan, or to Iran? What countries do you want? "But everyone at that time was afraid to go back to their homeland. Everyone raised their hands and said:" We want to go to America. "One said:" I want to go to France. "But only I did not raise my hand. He says: "Why don't you raise? “I say:“ I don’t want anywhere: neither to America, nor anywhere, ”said Bystrov.

Bystrov served for many years in the personal protection of Ahmad Shah. Without a preliminary inspection, he did not let anyone in to him: neither journalists, nor officials, nor even friends.

Later he married a distant relative of his boss. Now they have two sons and a daughter with whom they live in Russia. Eleven years later he returned to his native land. He has not forgotten his homeland during this time. And he never "fought against his own", while Masuda defended in the conditions of the Afghan civil strife.

"We climbed the pass, went to the north of Afghanistan. I climbed the very first. Masood and another three or four climbed very slowly. Snow was snowing, passes in the snow. I sat down to wait for them, look, I think: four or five I can easily Then I think, I’ll see, he gave me the machine gun, opened, full ammunition, 30 cartridges, four spare clips are also full. Boye looked, nothing was pulled out. And you know, I thought, since he confided in me, let me not " - said Bystrov.

In Russia, Bystrov works with the Committee on the Affairs of Soldiers-Internationalists. Almost every year he spends several months in Afghanistan. There they are searching for the burial of the missing Soviet soldiers and return the remains to their homeland.

"I want to find everyone. Find all the guys. Because I came back alive. And I want to return the remains of the missing to their parents. So that the parents have a calm soul that the son is back, though not alive, and can be buried. I understand Afghan people, I know them psychology, customs. As long as they cooperate with me, I will do it. They are always with me, they don’t refuse, they don’t say no. You know, until the last soldier is buried, the war is not over. And I want to end this war. " noted Bystrov.

These trips to Afghanistan helped to return to Russia the surviving soldiers who were captured at about the same time as Bystrov. One of them was Yuri Stepanov. He spent more than twenty years in captivity of the Mujahideen. Here is how he recalled his return home:
“Colin’s help was that later, when we made the passports Afghan, we drove to Kabul, we met him, he explained to us what and how in Russia. That Russia is different, we must help the committee in the search group, the committee of Ruslan Sultanovich Aushev help. We also helped at that time. They came back and stayed for about two months. Kolya started to look for guys from Kandahar, and we were from what we knew ourselves. "
A quarter of a century after the end of the war, the search for missing warriors continues. Nikolai Bystrov and those with whom he works are confident that it is necessary to restore the fate of every missing person in Afghanistan.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 15 February 2014 05: 56
    +9
    And you know, I thought, since he trusted me, let’s not, ”said Bystrov.

    Respect is not a scoundrel.

    Many of our soldiers were captured - but most of them behaved captive in a human way - this trait sits inside the human soul.
    Whoever has dirt in his soul, with a light heart, sells his comrades, and MOTHERLAND, such is la la vie.
    As for the Afghans, this is a completely different world and mentality and climb to them with their charter was not worth it.
    1. Civil
      Civil 15 February 2014 07: 02
      +3
      He went AWOL to the kishlak, where they took him, became Masud’s person ... besides, he’s also a traitor, he could fill up but scared.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 15 February 2014 07: 08
        +5
        There are different circumstances, but nevertheless he certainly betrayed everyone - for he didn’t just convert to Islam, it doesn’t matter, God alone, but to the enemy on guard ...
        1. Onizuka teacher
          Onizuka teacher 15 February 2014 08: 10
          +4
          Quote: mirag2
          There are different circumstances, but nevertheless he certainly betrayed everyone - for he didn’t just convert to Islam, it doesn’t matter, God alone, but to the enemy on guard ...

          Do you know there are different enemies. You at least remember Saladin and Richard, they considered each other as friends, the latter even wanted to give his daughter as a wife to Saladin’s brother, but dad threatened sanctions against him, which meant the loss of the throne. War is war but humanity cannot be lost, despite the fact that he did not fight against his own people and his noble purpose. A real man!
          1. avg
            avg 15 February 2014 15: 01
            +2
            Quote: Teacher Onizuka
            the latter even wanted to give his daughter as a wife to Saladin’s brother, but dad threatened sanctions against him

            Well done dad, did not give the girl to the harem. wink
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        3. Black
          Black 15 February 2014 11: 48
          +5
          Quote: mirag2
          converted to Islam is not important


          Has converted to Islam? Not important?
          In my opinion, here it is, betrayal.
          1. SV
            SV 16 February 2014 15: 44
            +1
            Has converted to Islam? Not important?
            In my opinion, here it is, betrayal.

            In Russia, for RussianOrthodoxy is not just faith, it is an understanding of historical identity, involvement in a great culture, the basis of homebuilding (who understands). To a certain extent, this applies to the primordially Muslim part of the Russian population (We historically have no opposition in contrast to the Middle East).
            In fact, the rejection of the faith of their ancestors is the renunciation of their own roots and fatherland ...
            In the native Muslim ethnic groups (including the Roma and the Russian Federation), such actions will be regarded in the same vein!
            A couple of years ago I was on a business trip, where radical Muslim movements are very strong. There were two of us, and the pressure was strong enough (but peaceful) for two months. We didn’t take off the crosses and didn’t take the Koran in our hands, which caused us serious respect (we were directly told before leaving) the host country. This I mean that apostates do not enjoy honor among people, what religion they did not adhere ...
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 15 February 2014 07: 10
        +2
        He went AWOL to the village,


        You know the story of his captivity — tell me more — I want to know the details.

        All the same, I think that AHMAD-SHAH was not held by such scoundrels near him.
      3. Andrey57
        Andrey57 15 February 2014 13: 22
        +6
        I agree, if Sher Pansher would have failed, I would have done a great job, would have put an end to it and would have confirmed that it was not in vain that so many of our shuravi were killed chasing him in the mountains.
        God is his judge, just do not put him on a par with those who were captured in battle and did not change either the Motherland or the oath, who suffered a martyrdom from the spirits, but did not give up with giblets!
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 15 February 2014 14: 56
          +3
          Yes, then Masoud didn’t decide anything, the Taliban came in, and humanly it’s not for us to judge him, he is a coward or not a coward a scoundrel and a traitor or just a person who could survive, I can’t say anything about this person because I didn’t communicate with him personally, did not serve with him, and was not in his place.
      4. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 15 February 2014 13: 49
        -3
        Quote: Civil
        besides, and a traitor, he could fill up but scared.

        Betrayed what? He shot at his own? It is better to die, of course.
        Quote: Chen
        Has converted to Islam? Not important?

        If a person was an atheist, then what is so important? Does it matter to anyone who cares? Or is Islam the wrong religion for you? Tell this to our Tatars
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 15 February 2014 13: 53
          +3
          The history of the 1980s has not yet been written, few people know that Ahmad Shah during that war was one of those field commanders with whom from the Soviet side there were constant attempts to establish cooperation, there was constant interaction, and many times there were local ceasefires. The lieutenant colonel of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the USSR Ministry of Defense, whose last name I can’t name, was with Ahmad Shah for a long time, trying to persuade him to the side of pro-Soviet forces. He acquainted Masud with the achievements of the Soviet way of life and with the works of the classics of Marxism-Leninism, while Ahmad Shah, meanwhile, was most interested in the stories of the Soviet intelligence on the tactics of the actions of Soviet partisans behind enemy lines during the Great Patriotic War ... Even during his studies in French Lyceum “Esteklal” in Kabul, he was very interested in the personality of Che Guevara, read his “Episodes of Revolutionary War”, “Bolivian Diary”, “Partisan War” ... He sincerely sought to understand the enemy and find solutions that would minimize the number of victims. Many of the armistice agreements reached by the Soviet side with Masoud were frustrated by the Pashtun nationalists from the entourage of President Najibullah, in the recent period - especially by the then Minister of Defense Shahnavaz Tanay. This was the case, for example, during the withdrawal of Soviet troops, when Masoud unblocked Salang for our columns, and government Afghan forces launched a large-scale operation against his forces.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 15 February 2014 13: 54
            0
            I think that we can confidently say about his attitude to the USSR and Soviet troops. We became enemies for him in December 1979, when the troops entered Afghanistan, and we definitely ceased to be enemies in his mind in February 1989, when our troops left Afghanistan.
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 15 February 2014 07: 03
      +7
      And here is what our former adversary thinks:
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 15 February 2014 09: 11
        +19
        Yesterday I watched a film about "Russia" about Afghan. There they said the same thing: the Americans are cowards, they kill us with drones, and the shuravi were good enemies, they fought honestly, they built us houses, roads, schools. Let the Russians come again.
        Yeah, wait a moment, again we’ve built them all, and they will shoot us in the back. Enough. All our participation in Afghanistan should be in the pollination of poppy fields with herbicides and other means of aviation.
        1. Orik
          Orik 16 February 2014 18: 14
          +1
          Quote: sergey32
          All our participation in Afghanistan should be in the pollination of poppy fields with herbicides and other means of aviation.

          Well, not all, you need to teach Afghans in our universities, mutually beneficial cooperation. It is necessary to build relations with a neighbor, because once upon a time Kushka will again become the border of the empire.
    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 15 February 2014 10: 29
      +6
      I think you shouldn't betray your native country, whatever policy it pursues, I understand ours would be like Germans, burned villages, kill babies, but then I would simply refuse to say "shoot, but I will not kill women and children, unarmed." But to fight against our own? kill guys like you? no! I will say moreover, the introduction of these troops was correct, the defense of the lines on the distant approaches has always been a priority since the time of Tsarist Russia. None of the Russian ancestors complained when they reached Paris, conquered the Caucasus, in the 18-19 centuries.
      I admit that the fighter did not shoot at his own, but really, as one forum member noted, how could he gain his trust?
      in any ray, the transition to the side of the Mujahideen is a mistake.
      Ahmad Shah Masoud himself was mistaken, he fought against Najibullah, thinking of creating an Islamic state of justice, but he didn’t think that the Taliban would come, finished animals, for whom religion is a mask to kill, rob and rape, demons in human form, war is an ordinary image life, they will not live differently.
      If only Ahmad Shah Masood thought about his Afghan people, although he is not uniform, he would not fight with the Soviets. Also a slave to his religion, which can be used. Now he is gone, sure dying, he regretted his war, for he lost to the Taliban.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 15 February 2014 14: 17
        0
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        for he lost to the Taliban.

        He did not lose, but fell at the hands of the enemy in the struggle for his homeland. He is in paradise.
    4. starshina78
      starshina78 15 February 2014 14: 02
      +3
      Yesterday on "Russia" and today on "Russia 24" Kondrashov's film "Afghan" was shown. Great movie! There are memories of former mujahideen, our fighters, the CIA resident in Pakistan, who led all the mujahideen and who brought the Stingers to Afghanistan. I looked from start to finish. The film is open, the truth was told. Up to the point that one of the commanders of the Mozhdahidov told who had warned them about the beginning of the operations of the Soviet troops, when I heard the names I was shocked - it was Shevardnadze (at that time he was the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and he also handed over to the CIA the secret minutes of the meeting of the Politburo the introduction of troops into Afghanistan), the heads of the Central Asian republics, generals from the General Staff. How !!! Most importantly, surprisingly, the Afghans speak very well of us, the Russians, our fighters, there they show footage of how our former battalion commander "Salang's main guard", as the Mujahideen called him, and the Mujahideen themselves meet and make friends. Watch the movie, look for it on the Internet! You will not regret !
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 15 February 2014 15: 58
        +2
        Quote: starshina78
        our former battalion commander, "Salang's chief guard," as the Mujahideen called him, and the Mujahideen themselves are friends.

        Mujahideen ate the Taliban and realized who is hu
  2. Lantau
    Lantau 15 February 2014 06: 09
    0
    Such a person deserves only respect. I dare to suggest that he does this not for money, but at the behest of the soul.
    1. rumatam
      rumatam 15 February 2014 18: 15
      0
      or feels sin behind him?
      1. Lantau
        Lantau 16 February 2014 03: 46
        0
        Which one? If you know, tell me.
  3. the polar
    the polar 15 February 2014 06: 39
    +13
    Whatever he said, that he did not fight against Soviet fighters, but he violated military duty and the oath. So betrayed. Moreover, someone wants to make a hero out of him with the help of corrupt journalists. What deeds earned him the confidence of the Shah-Masoud?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 15 February 2014 07: 01
      +2
      he violated military duty and oath. So betrayed.
      Without understanding, do not rush to words - a person could be captured unconscious from a wound in a battle - and then you SAY THAT HE IS A TRAITOR - you can also blame any person for betrayal using any excuse - this is how careerists deal with their colleagues.

      Further, if he is your brother, whom you have known all his life and know that he will never surrender (there are still many circumstances that do not fit into the charter).
      1. the polar
        the polar 15 February 2014 08: 37
        +3
        Quote: The same Lech
        he violated military duty and oath. So betrayed.
        Without understanding, do not rush to words - a person could be captured unconscious from a wound in a battle - and then you SAY THAT HE IS A TRAITOR - you can also blame any person for betrayal using any excuse - this is how careerists deal with their colleagues.

        Further, if he is your brother, whom you have known all his life and know that he will never surrender (there are still many circumstances that do not fit into the charter).

        You don’t read me notations and don’t compose leafy stories. Yes, it is possible to get captured by the wounded, but only in battle, and in battle, and even the wounded, dushmans were not taken prisoner, proceeding also from partisan tactics. So captured healthy as a bull. And apparently it doesn’t reach you that a captured Soviet fighter, in order to become the personal guard of one of the leaders of the Mujahideen, needed to prove his loyalty not in word but in deed. In general, there’s nothing to argue about, it’s better to ask which of those present on the site agreed to have such a fighter next to him in battle.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 15 February 2014 11: 05
          +6
          Dushmans were not taken prisoner, proceeding, among other things, from partisan tactics.


          What are you lying-IN PAKISTAN our captive soldiers fought the enemy and died the death of the brave, they are also your enemies.


          (These are the names: Private Igor Vaskov, born in 1963, Kostroma Region; Corporal Nikolai Dudkin, born in 1961, Altai Territory; Private Alexander Nikolayevich Zverkovich, born in 1964, Vitebsk Region (Belarus) ; Jr. Sergeant Korshenko Sergey Vasilievich, born in 1964, Belaya Tserkov (Ukraine); Private Levchishin, Sergei Nikolaevich, born in 1964, Samara Region; Private Samin, Nikolai Grigoryevich, born in 1964, Tselinograd) year-olds.

          With you, I would never go into reconnaissance because people like you are the first and blame your comrades for all sins - DO NOT ATTEMPT TO EVEN UNDERSTAND.

          Many members of the forum watched the movie "Two Comrades Served" and so your behavior is exactly the same as that of the company commander Ivan Karjakin (Rolan Bykov), who was demoted to the rank and file for having shot a military expert, a former officer of the tsarist army.
          Karjakin.
          And it’s useless to read you notations; I don’t see any reason to discuss with you at such extremes.
          1. huginn
            huginn 15 February 2014 12: 17
            +4
            According to some reports, among our soldiers were ordinary deserters. Moreover, according to the Ministry of Defense, referring to intelligence, literally on the eve of the uprising, one of the captives betrayed his comrades, informing the souls about the impending revolt.
            And on this occasion, the lines from the song "Blue Berets":
            "In the mountains near Peshawar, in Pakistan,
            Having decided to wash the captivity of the captivity with blood,
            At night, a group of prisoners raised their heights,
            To live free at least a day. "
    2. huginn
      huginn 15 February 2014 12: 10
      +4
      It is clear that he was tied with blood to cut off the possibility of returning to the Union!
  4. makarov
    makarov 15 February 2014 07: 05
    +3
    The situation, which served as a turning point in life, is very ambiguous. Therefore, it is difficult to evaluate.
  5. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 15 February 2014 07: 22
    +4
    Everything is somehow complicated. I will refrain from evaluations and I advise you. A war thing is too complicated to judge it unambiguously.
  6. delfinN
    delfinN 15 February 2014 08: 22
    +5
    We do not know how he was captured. In youth, many mistakes are made. Do not judge, and you yourself will not be judged. Likha he grabbed over the edge. And now he is doing the right thing. And not for us to blame him.
  7. taseka
    taseka 15 February 2014 08: 23
    +2
    Do not judge yourself and you will not be judged! Only if our blood is on them means traitors, and there is no forgiveness!
    1. the polar
      the polar 15 February 2014 08: 43
      +3
      Quote: taseka
      Do not judge yourself and you will not be judged! Only if our blood is on them means traitors, and there is no forgiveness!

      In such cases, diplomacy is inappropriate.
      Those. you want to say that under certain conditions you can break the oath and serve the enemy. So maybe Vlasov was hanged in vain, then Stalin is a tyrant, and Vlasov is a pacifist and a victim of a tyrant?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 16 February 2014 11: 45
        0
        Quote: Polar
        you can break the oath

        Read the oath

        MILITARY Oath
        the USSR
        I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, joining the Armed Forces, take the oath and solemnly swear to be honest, brave, disciplined, watchful soldier, strictly keep military and state secrets, unconditionally fulfill all military regulations and orders of commanders and commanders.
        I swear to conscientiously study military affairs, to protect military and national property in every possible way and to be loyal to my People, my Soviet Homeland and the Soviet Government until the last breath.
        I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Motherland — the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a soldier of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, without sparing my blood and life itself to achieve complete victory over the enemies .
        If I violate my solemn oath, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the general hatred and contempt of the working people.

        Where is it forbidden to surrender? And one more thing: the words to defend the Motherland somehow do not interfere with the war on someone else’s territory. The man twice tried to flee, it is simply impossible to demand more from him. He simply tried to survive
  8. Nike
    Nike 15 February 2014 08: 41
    +4
    Quote: Polar
    Whatever he said, that he did not fight against Soviet fighters, but he violated military duty and the oath. So betrayed. Moreover, someone wants to make a hero out of him with the help of corrupt journalists. What deeds earned him the confidence of the Shah-Masoud?
    The oath has been violated by ALL who are now over 45 years old, including GDP.
    1. the polar
      the polar 15 February 2014 08: 52
      0
      Quote: nike
      Quote: Polar
      Whatever he said, that he did not fight against Soviet fighters, but he violated military duty and the oath. So betrayed. Moreover, someone wants to make a hero out of him with the help of corrupt journalists. What deeds earned him the confidence of the Shah-Masoud?
      The oath has been violated by ALL who are now over 45 years old, including GDP.

      Not all. And those who swore were not exempted from the previous oath, due to the stupidity or meanness of the military bureaucracy. And often the officers had a significant justification - a mass dismissal would destroy the army.
      PS And since when does the GDP service relate to the army?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 16 February 2014 13: 33
        0
        Quote: Polar
        PS And since when does the GDP service relate to the army?

        You want to say that he did not take the oath?
    2. SV
      SV 16 February 2014 16: 05
      0
      The oath has been violated by ALL who are now over 45 years old, including GDP.

      if a person died to whom you swore allegiance / if the state to which you swore died?
  9. calocha
    calocha 15 February 2014 09: 11
    +3
    The most important thing from this person comes in our direction is good, not evil ... If he lies, then God will punish him.
  10. Smoke
    Smoke 15 February 2014 09: 22
    0
    people tried to run 2 times ... yahz, then cheers patriots are such cheers ...
  11. Smoke
    Smoke 15 February 2014 09: 30
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    He went AWOL to the kishlak, where they took him, became Masud’s person ... besides, he’s also a traitor, he could fill up but scared.


    tongue in ... shove and shut up
  12. Very old
    Very old 15 February 2014 09: 56
    +2
    Strange discussions about honor, conscience, duty and ... cowardice sometimes have to read

    He gave me a machine gun with ammunition, four horns ...

    Will I shoot him?

    Then I’m a scoundrel - without honor, without conscience
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 16 February 2014 11: 56
      0
      Quote: Very old
      Then I’m a scoundrel - without honor, without conscience

      Che is not clear then? A man converted to Islam, comprehended his life, realized that he had not fought for anything. If he was normally treated ... What is the enemy?
      In my understanding, the Nazis are enemies, because they came to our land for the purpose of conquering. From the point of view of the Afghans, we are the same enemies. Man at the age of 18 is sent by the devils where they say enemies are there, kill them because they are bad. bad, because the Central Committee of the CPSU decided so. Do not go captive, it is better to die the death of the brave.
      These bad were removed, came even worse, the Taliban
  13. delfinN
    delfinN 15 February 2014 10: 29
    +3
    Quote: Civil
    He went AWOL to the kishlak, where they took him, became Masud’s person ... besides, he’s also a traitor, he could fill up but scared.

    Judge the sins of others
    You are so eager to break
    Start with your
    and you won’t get to strangers ...
    Shakespeare
  14. marshes
    marshes 15 February 2014 11: 26
    +2
    Happy Withdrawal Day from Afghanistan.
  15. Yeraz
    Yeraz 15 February 2014 11: 51
    +2
    Most likely a traitor, for beautiful eyes they do not do the personal guard of one of the leaders of the Mujahideen. He proved it to be any case. Well, or he is a ginotizer))))) Or Ahmad Shah was an agent of the councils)))
  16. moremansf
    moremansf 15 February 2014 12: 04
    +3
    Man has only one homeland !!!
  17. alone
    alone 15 February 2014 12: 33
    +1
    I’m not going to condemn and glorify anyone. At the same time, I always put myself in his place and think that I would instead make this person in his situation.
  18. aleshka
    aleshka 15 February 2014 12: 35
    +9
    the old soldiers were sent to the village for drugs, that’s where he is not to blame, his grandfathers sent !!! he is nowhere to blame, converted to Islam, not to blame, Masuda did not kill, conscience did not allow !!! A TRADER, and there is no excuse for him !!! And do not bark at me right away, I stayed in Afghanistan for a year and a half, and did not run for grandfathers for drugs!
    1. SSR
      SSR 16 February 2014 00: 01
      0
      I know several Afghans, one will drink the tower vomiting (Asian) another Demyanenko than he can help (a bunch of people helped) (although he is also Asian). It’s hard for me to judge (let’s not judge) when the Batken events happened - the general surrendered and the sergeant accompanying him covered all the Mujahideen and died. They sent there the brave policemen there, so then part of them left the Ministry of Internal Affairs, because when the order came, the conscripts and veterans of the Afghans were ahead and these accustomed civilians were to shit in a real war. In 18 years, much can be.