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Cars and transporters of the military medical service

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Since nowadays the armies of all countries of the world use automobiles and transporters to carry out their main tasks in transporting people and goods, this article will focus on them. More precisely, I want to talk a little about cars and transporters for military medics.


Wars are an integral part of human life, unfortunately. It always has been. And where there is war, there is the need to evacuate wounded soldiers from the battlefield and deliver them to the rear to provide them with the necessary honey. help. With the advent of cars and transporters in the army honey. units such assistance has become much faster, which saved the lives of many soldiers.

The equipment of military honey. units such technique, or lack thereof, speaks about the care of the state about their people.

Nowadays there are many variants of such equipment and you can compare its equipment and thoughtfulness of design solutions to better accomplish the tasks of military doctors.

First, I will talk about samples of such equipment of Soviet and Russian production, and then I want to go to the technology produced by foreign manufacturers, for comparison.

Let's start, perhaps, with light wheel technology, which works directly on the front. Next, we will move on to more complex samples. This is the leading edge conveyor (TPK) LUAZ-967. It was mass-produced by the Lutsk Automobile Plant from 1962 to 1991. Since the machine was designed to work in such conditions, the engineers made it as low as possible so that it could be covered literally “out of the blue” and managed to lie on it. The machine can carry two “stretcher” fighters at the same time, the stretchers are placed along the sides or the 5-6 are wounded while sitting. The conveyor has a plug-in four-wheel drive of all wheels with locking rear axle gear and a winch with a drive through a worm gear and belts driven by the engine. The winch on this machine is not for self-pulling, but in order to draw the wounded (on a raincoat, on a piece of tarpaulin or in a boat, drag) on ​​a boat or on a raft through a water barrier (river, lake).



Cars and transporters of the military medical service



TPK LUAZ-967, appearance, driver's workplace, engine compartment











TPK LUAZ-967 in work


Also, the machine can independently overcome small water obstacles; the propellers on the water are its wheels, and has very good throughput on all types of roads and terrain.

Next comes the main "workhorse" of military medics - the UAZ, which is popularly called a "loaf" or "pill". This honored veteran of the military medical service is already released from 1958, and to this day is still in the ranks and regularly pulls its hard strap.






On the photo experienced UAZ-450


The first cars, which began to enter the SA from the autumn of 1958, were called UAZ-450А.








UAZ-450А, appearance



UAZ-450А, a fragment of the cabin


Later it began to be issued under the designation UAZ-452.








UAZ-452, appearance









UAZ-452, salon and cabin


Nowadays, these hard workers wear the 3962 index and practically have not changed from the outside.


UAZ-3962, appearance


No wonder they say - appearances are deceptive. Inside for the 55 years they have changed and very seriously, mainly the changes affected the engine and transmission, a vacuum brake booster brake was also added. And on the latest modifications put power steering and disc brakes of the front wheels. Inside the cabin and san. more powerful heaters were installed in the compartment, the UAZ-450А and UAZ-452 machine heating was unsuccessfully designed and it was cold inside in severe frosts. The drivers often made the holes themselves in the recesses of the wings near the hood and another one on the wall between the cabin and the engine, so that the air would blow in from the cooling fan and oncoming air flow, then the car was warm. In the warm season, all this “farm” was compacted with rags and closed with improvised dampers.

There were repeated attempts to replace these machines with more modern models, but for a number of reasons they did not produce them. And the options were:






UAZ-3972. Development of the second half 80-x, appearance


This car, in addition to the new body, was supposed to get a new transmission. The development was conducted on the theme "Wagon".










UAZ-3972, salon and cabin









UAZ-2970, a new attempt to create a car of this class. Equip this car was planned hybrid transmission. In the photo - ready experienced car


By the way, engineers from the USA are working on it now.


UAZ-2970, driver's workplace


As for the working qualities of the basic and only mass-produced machines of this class to this day, the following can be said. On board, the “tablet” can take 5 injured fighters on stretchers or transport 2 stretchers and 4-6 people in a sitting position. It is possible that 8-10 people are taken on board. This car can move absolutely on all types of roads, including in difficult road conditions (sodden primer, snow drifts), as well as on the ground in conditions of moderate off-road (and after some technical modifications, equipped with a winch and ditching tools along with a jack such as high-jack, able to move in conditions of strong off-road). The engines are installed gasoline, both carburetor and injection (there are 8-cl. And 16-cl.), 4-x or 5-speed manual transmission, RC 2-x speed with a hard front axle connection.

The main shortcomings include a very tough short-stroke suspension (this problem was partially solved by installing longer sheets in the springs with fastening on the earrings and not on the pillows, as it was earlier), the absence of blocking in the gearboxes of the bridges, and the intense heat in the cabin and cabin summer time.

In general, this machine proved to be quite reliable, durable and unpretentious in operation.

To be continued
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  1. makarov
    makarov 17 February 2014 08: 52
    +15
    Ride a lot of "Louise". Considering its cost, cross-country ability, motor resource, it is a wonderful iron horse. From memory, after 20 km. exploitation, they were to be transferred to the national economy, but I have not heard about such a fact.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 February 2014 10: 04
      +4
      and the carburetor is "Zhigovsky" attached! smile
      1. wanderer_032
        17 February 2014 10: 52
        +4
        Quite rightly, this car is equipped with a carb. "OZON" from "Zhiguli".
        There are many "homemade" ones in our country and such alterations are not uncommon. wink yes
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 18 February 2014 05: 39
          +3
          How interesting is the calibration of nozzles by cameras?
    2. Argon
      Argon 17 February 2014 10: 58
      +6
      A few words about the "Loaf". The car has all the shortcomings of the Soviet car industry, and in fact one advantage is its high capacity. To the author, in my opinion, the car has not changed much structurally, all "improvements" are carried out on the basis of "original" units and in most cases carry the percentage improvement of one quality despite the fact that the general situation is only getting worse. For example, the installation of the ZMZ-405 engine with similar resources with the veteran 402 (and its Ulyanovsk mutation) has a third greater mass and is somewhat larger, access to the engine has deteriorated, and the weight distribution along the axes has become even more uneven. I had a chance to personally feel the difference between reseeding from Bukhanka to Delika 93g.v.
      1. wanderer_032
        17 February 2014 12: 06
        +4
        Quote: Argon
        For example, the installation of the ZMZ-405 engine with similar resources as the veteran 402nd (and its Ulyanovsk mutation) has a third more mass and is slightly larger, access to the engine has deteriorated, and the weight distribution along the axes has become even more uneven.

        You probably meant ICE ZMZ-409 and UMZ-421.
        I agree with you on ZMZ-409. Access to it for repair and maintenance is poor, to remove the starter, for example, you need to disassemble a half-machine and have very gutta-perceptive and very good handles. laughing
        This once again confirms the need for a new, more modern car of this class. yes
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 17 February 2014 16: 17
          0
          Quote: wanderer_032
          You probably meant ICE ZMZ-409 and UMZ-421.

          the loaf is a great car >>>>> only the car is not armored and there is no anti-theft protection ((((
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 17 February 2014 14: 03
      +6
      Quote: makarov
      Ride a lot of "Louise". Considering its cost, cross-country ability, motor resource, it is a wonderful iron horse.
  2. M72
    M72 17 February 2014 09: 02
    +3
    UAZ-2970 looks very good for a utilitarian machine. Still, the radiator grill would have been made a little more elegant, and not so primitive, then generally a handsome man would have been.
    1. wanderer_032
      17 February 2014 10: 59
      +5
      Probably the engineers of the Ulyanovsk plant were guided by the fact that the machine was for the army, therefore they put the grill and headlights easier.
      Civilian options look more civilian.




      1. wanderer_032
        17 February 2014 11: 09
        +2
        There is also an updated version for civilians.







        1. wanderer_032
          17 February 2014 11: 12
          +3
          The machine has the index 3165M and the name "Simba".
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 17 February 2014 19: 23
            +1
            And before that there was "Simbir". Slightly more soviet, but many still want to buy it.
            Faster than that, Simba would be put into production.
  3. omsbon
    omsbon 17 February 2014 09: 44
    +4
    I liked the UAZ-2970, looks good plus cross!
    1. Onotollah
      Onotollah 17 February 2014 12: 04
      +2
      Yeah, this little red one is lovely at all.
      It's a pity I didn't go into the series. UAZ-3165 "Simba".
      I would take it.
  4. Gamdlislyam
    Gamdlislyam 17 February 2014 09: 51
    +5
    Thanks to the author! Article +. We look forward to continuing.
    Well, the famous "pill" has been produced for sixty years already, and so far something is not visible on the horizon of a model that can replace it. It is understandable. Cross-country ability, unpretentiousness, cost, the ability to quickly reconstruct make this car irreplaceable where there is no asphalt, and this is 90% of the territory of Russia.
  5. paul72
    paul72 17 February 2014 09: 56
    +2
    at one time LUAZ is the dream of every hunter and fisherman
    well, the "loaf" is generally a classic, like a URAL motorcycle
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 February 2014 10: 11
      +9
      our irreplaceable "lunar rover", we float in the summer a couple of times along the rivers, wherever you like, the cargo delivers us! good
      1. makarov
        makarov 17 February 2014 10: 40
        +1
        so it’s not surprising, from memory the dry mass of an iron horse is 400 kg. Somehow, for the sake of fun, having turned everything into dirt, I drove into arable land, calmly moved across the whole field, but in icy conditions, it weighed like a scoundrel.
        1. wanderer_032
          17 February 2014 11: 24
          0
          If the "LUAZ" has "snow" tires or other rubber with similar characteristics, then it does not have much ice.
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 18 February 2014 12: 24
          +2
          Pash, what for on it to drive on ice? for drift it is not sharpened ... but where there is no road, in principle, our "pilot" goes smoking ... and manages to brush the ashes through the window! laughing
      2. wanderer_032
        17 February 2014 16: 02
        +3
        By the way, a little about "LUAZ", its latest modification 1302 was no longer produced by "Zyuzik's air", but with a completely civilian engine from "Tavria".

        1. makarov
          makarov 17 February 2014 17: 36
          +6
          I had to be at LUAZ in 1985, and even then there was a question of introducing an engine from Tavria and another (hard) body. As you know, the plant died, and everything flew into tartarara. But in principle, the car had a good development prospect, talked with users from the Kola Peninsula, the reviews were respectfully positive.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 18 February 2014 12: 21
        +2
        By the way, the engine "Tavria" ... rowing mom do not worry !!!
  6. Clueless
    Clueless 17 February 2014 10: 07
    +1
    Well, there’s no need to tell stories about the UAZ patency, because he has no locks

    we go further - we use a car as a nurse, in which "it is colder in winter than outside" - to carry current corpses on it, and not people who need urgent medical attention

    They have already beaten us for a long time for development for doctors, which is nearby, at that they are loading the wounded, whether it is an infantry fighting vehicle, or a truck, or an UAZ :(
    1. wanderer_032
      17 February 2014 10: 31
      0
      Quote: Bad
      we use a car as a nurse, in which "it is colder in winter than outside" - to carry current corpses on it, and not people who need urgent medical attention

      Everything is known in comparison, later we will consider foreign cars.
      I promise an objective analysis.
    2. wanderer_032
      17 February 2014 10: 40
      +5
      Quote: Bad
      Well, there’s no need to tell stories about the UAZ patency, because he has no locks

      If the "gasket" between the steering wheel and the seat does not have a blocking control "tablet" in the brain, then the "gasket" gets +100 to driving skills and is able to control the sim unit in any road and weather conditions. laughing
    3. dustycat
      dustycat 17 February 2014 19: 31
      0
      Quote: Bad
      Well, there’s no need to tell stories about the UAZ patency, because he has no locks

      You tell those pokatushniki on "Kuznetsk Wilds".
      For some reason neither Patrols nor Curly-haired took root.

      UAZ competitors there are only UNIMOGUES and HAMMERS on the cross.
      But this is a different class.

      Though not..
      One Curly is. Kursak’s cabin on the UAZ frame and BigBridges with Toyota bridges and 8 pot toyotormot. But this is a disease.
      The native frame of Curly-haired ordered to live long before reaching the finish line.
  7. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 17 February 2014 10: 38
    +7
    UAZovod himself with the greatest experience. In short, the Luazik is a normal car, only the motor is so-so. The loaf is all the way, just overheat the motor, just spit. and in general, the UAZ is a normal car, only those who collect them need hands where to insert them, having previously removed them from the anus
    and one more thing about locks ... still the thing you need
  8. Tankist_1980
    Tankist_1980 17 February 2014 11: 09
    +4
    Loise car is good. But it is high time to change the Loaf ... 21st century ... I had a chance to travel. Breakfast Frog Driver Pose ... Need a good diesel. We need changes in ergonomics ... We need armored variants ... Maybe a sanitary variant of the "Tiger" can be created
  9. Tankist_1980
    Tankist_1980 17 February 2014 11: 14
    +1
    UAZ 2179 muzzle like a oposum ...
  10. M72
    M72 17 February 2014 11: 18
    +1
    Quote: wanderer_032
    There is also an updated version for civilians.

    I saw this version, in my opinion it just turned out to be a gorgeous car, and it’s very disappointing that it did not go into the series.
    Reading various off-road forums, I notice that now more and more attention is being paid to Sable 4 * 4, because comfort in it is an order of magnitude greater than in a loaf, and patency is quite decent.
    1. wanderer_032
      17 February 2014 11: 57
      +4
      As for me, "Simba" will be better.
      "Sobol 4x4" is larger in size and taller, which negatively affects the vehicle's cross-country ability in terms of overcoming various obstacles and when driving in difficult conditions. I also don't like its front axle with open cardan joints. will stretch "a separate cardan.
      The Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant has considerable experience in the development of military vehicles of high cross-country ability, including, and the fact that it found itself in such a position and new developments do not go into the series, it is the merit of "effective managers" who climbed everywhere for high "profits". Poorly imagining where these same "profits" come from.
      Looks like they hoped that the army would continue to massively purchase "goats" and "loaves" and buzzed with their ears that the requirements of the time for military vehicles have long changed.
      I only feel sorry for the people from the design bureau (who, in spite of everything, make attempts to create new, more modern machines) and ordinary workers who risk being left without work due to the fault of their lazy and short-sighted "leadership".
  11. Aleksys2
    Aleksys2 17 February 2014 11: 23
    +4

    LuAz in all its glory
  12. Tankist_1980
    Tankist_1980 17 February 2014 13: 22
    0
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2014-02/1392531759_uaz2970_3.jpg
    Okay, muzzle for an amateur, so you look at the "toothy" rubber ")))
    1. wanderer_032
      17 February 2014 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Tankist_1980
      Okay, muzzle for an amateur, so you look at the "toothy" rubber "

      Putting normal dirt tires is not such a big deal.
      The car was driven to the exhibition on the "track" for reasons of fuel economy, I suppose.
  13. Tankist_1980
    Tankist_1980 17 February 2014 13: 23
    0
    The future seems to be in Sable. And there are no problems with spare parts.
  14. uzer 13
    uzer 13 17 February 2014 13: 32
    +6
    I, too, am the former owner of the loaf. What the factory produced (the 1988 machine) can be called a set of blanks for technical creativity. The engine was 2.9l, apparently the most suitable for such a machine, but the K151 carburetor is a complete marriage, completely unsuitable for operation. In the distributor full of any play. Factory adjustments, apparently, provided for fuel consumption of 25-30 liters per 100 km. After all the alterations, it was possible to bring it to 13l / 100km along the highway, around the city + 1.5l. Of course, there are not enough locks. ready-made gearboxes of bridges with a lock, what prevents the plant from putting them on the car? Home-made installation in split axles will be connected with the problem of adjusting bearings in artisanal conditions. The bodywork is incomplete, and the build and painting quality is simply terrifying. In general, a machine for those who like to dig into iron , who have a lot of free time. Or for those who have to drive a lot on the road - there is no other way out, parquet SUVs are not an alternative. New reinforced box but it was quite good, it didn’t make noise, the gears shifted well, the clutch was also normal. It’s quite comfortable to drive a car, the roof is low, traffic lights are hard to see. And the engine cover, which was poorly designed, with poor sealing, gets a lot. 50-60 years that UAZ produces this car almost unchanged, it would have been possible to improve and improve something. However, I see no positive changes in anything.
    1. wanderer_032
      17 February 2014 14: 22
      +2
      Quote: uzer 13
      For those 50-60 years that UAZ produced this car almost unchanged, it would have been possible to improve and improve something.

      Probably the relatives of "Taburetkin" - "Tabletkin", "Bukhankin", "Golovas" settled at the UAZ car plant.
      ticks "and" Kozlov " laughing , they are like "bastards" which they cannot get rid of lol .
      They walk around the factory at night and turn everything into "pills-loaves", "tadpoles" and "" and infect the assemblers with the "bungler's disease." in the Shop "), and most importantly their lair in the (ad) ministry of the plant. Probably in the shops where the Patriot is assembled, a rite of exorcism was carried out over the heads of the shops. laughing
      But seriously, I agree with you 100%.
      These machines have long exhausted their resource of modernization and we need new cars of this class. They are needed for both the citizen and the army.
      "Sable 4x4" is not good for the army. This is not the right car.
  15. ramsi
    ramsi 17 February 2014 13: 33
    0
    loaf - a disgrace to the domestic auto industry, probably only Eraz was worse
    1. makarov
      makarov 17 February 2014 17: 54
      +2
      Yes, there was such a horse ERAZ - a miracle of hostile technical thought. "Famous" for its turning radius, and there were enough other jokes.
  16. mithridate
    mithridate 17 February 2014 15: 39
    +1
    for such machines, the main thing is not appearance, but functionality
  17. Turkestan
    Turkestan 17 February 2014 17: 38
    0
    Dear AUTHOR, but you could write more about LUISKA of eternal trouble-free ISHACHK. HOW the front end conveyor (TPK) LUAZ-967 sounds loud. ITS Air Force I can tell you a lot about this car.
    1. wanderer_032
      17 February 2014 18: 00
      +2
      Well, about the TPK LUAZ-967 itself, there is a more detailed article.
      Here is the link: http: //www.luaz967.ru/hardware/sekretnye-avtomobili/
      I told about him in the framework of the article as one example of equipment that was in the service of the military doctors of the SA.
      But this machine in limited quantities was used not only as a medical one.
      I will try to write about this later, but within the framework of a different topic. hi
      If you have experience in its operation, you can write an independent article in the VO or share your experience by writing to me in PM, it would be interesting to read.
    2. ICT
      ICT 17 February 2014 18: 10
      +3
      in this class the standard of military equipment
      Pinzgauer Steyr Puch 712 AMB
      trade 1400 000 our
      joke: (failed lol )
  18. Olegmog
    Olegmog 17 February 2014 18: 58
    +1
    The loaf is no longer modern, just stop
    production. Recently drove on the virgin snow
    on a loaf and sable. Bukharik won. Injection engine
    power steering, disc brakes in front, seats
    front comfortable. The interior is very warm, two stoves.
    The loaf will still live!
  19. Tankist_1980
    Tankist_1980 17 February 2014 19: 02
    0
    UAZ 2179 muzzle like a oposum ...
    Quote: wanderer_032
    Quote: Tankist_1980
    Okay, muzzle for an amateur, so you look at the "toothy" rubber "

    Putting normal dirt tires is not such a big deal.
    The car was driven to the exhibition on the "track" for reasons of fuel economy, I suppose.

    They put road tires so as not to shock potential buyers with noise and vibrations ....
  20. max702
    max702 17 February 2014 19: 07
    +2
    In 2020, Mercedes removes Helika from production (it does not pass according to the safety standards for pedestrians, it is too square) and here it is necessary to hurry up completely buying out the production, the same UAZ, but thought out and made by hand. (By the way, last year the Tatra plant was sold for mere pennies "The court declared Tatra bankrupt, and three weeks later, in mid-March, sold it to its new owner, the Czech company Truck Development as, for a ridiculous 176 million kroons, which is about 6,8 million euros. Considering that one Phoenix dump truck costs about 150 thousand euros, then the plant - with huge buildings, steel production, its own auto testing ground and a museum - sold at the price of 45 trucks! ")
    1. 9lvariag
      9lvariag April 20 2014 14: 48
      0
      Sell ​​a story like that? Sadness and just remember, "Tatra-815" and "Dana". very good cars. Though not without some extras.
  21. Rjn
    Rjn 17 February 2014 21: 46
    0
    As you, the author, have noticed, the TPK has been produced since 1975, but by no means 1962, because the Volhynia themselves began to be produced in 1969, and, initially, only in the front-wheel drive version, that is. the first front wheel drive in the Union.
    1. wanderer_032
      17 February 2014 22: 44
      0
      I have a more authoritative source than the journalists from the Zvezda TV channel, this is the author of the book "Secret Cars of the Soviet Army" Evgeny Dmitrievich Kochnev.
      In his book, he writes that this TPK was produced by the ZAZ automobile plant and was called ZAZ-967, in 3 series these TPKs were produced from 1962 to 1967. It also explains that this was a production in small batches, they mainly passed field and military tests .
      Since 1968 the automobile plant in Lutsk began to produce these machines and under the LUAZ-967 brand produced them until 1971 with a 30-horsepower engine, and from 1972 to 1991 a modified version of the LUAZ-967M with a 40-horsepower engine.
      In my article, I made a mistake in that TPK produced only the Lutsk Automobile Plant.
      1. Rjn
        Rjn 18 February 2014 18: 28
        0
        I, too, am not guided by TV channels, though I repent: I wrote from memory. But Kochnev’s book is temporarily unavailable to me because of my problems; if I recover, I’ll read it. Thank you for the tip.
  22. Owl
    Owl 17 February 2014 22: 00
    0
    LUAZ-967 in the army was called "corpse carrier" because of its consonance with the abbreviation TPK, in the 80s the SPG-9, ATGM Fagot and AGS-17 were based on the TPK in the airborne assault brigades. The car was transported by helicopter, unloaded by landing method, a sample of weapons, its crew and ammunition were transported by car.
  23. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 17 February 2014 23: 03
    +7
    Thank you Alexander for the article.
    Very interesting ! So many memories.
    hi

    And how do you like the ZVM-2411P Uzola? Is the bar good?
    wink
    Suitable as an SMP?
    Swims like Ukhtyzhka. But the guys say that management needs to be brought to mind.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 17 February 2014 23: 31
      +3
      Quote: Aleks tv
      And how do you like the ZVM-2411P Uzola? Is the bar good?



      True good good
      Good night Alex hi
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 17 February 2014 23: 38
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        True good


        Given the dynamics of the pole shift (50 km per year), this machine has tremendous export potential. States will be thrilled.
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 17 February 2014 23: 45
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        Good night Alex

        Greetings Apollon!
        hi
        Of course I like "Ukhtyzhka" -ZVM 2410 more.
        The forms are painful, ahem ... native.
        repeat
        Also floating, radish.
        yes
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 17 February 2014 23: 56
          +2
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Of course I like "Ukhtyzhka" -ZVM 2410 more.


          Here he is handsome
    2. wanderer_032
      18 February 2014 00: 27
      +4
      Good night Alexey.
      The device is good, as a "wheel" I can also show you what, hehe laughing
      Non-serial, but effective for immoderate impassability. yes


      1. studentmati
        studentmati 18 February 2014 00: 33
        0
        Quote: wanderer_032
        The device is good, as a "wheel" I can also show you what, hehe laughing
        Non-serial, but effective for immoderate impassability. yes


        Also good cars! good Good night, Sasha! drinks
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 18 February 2014 00: 36
        0
        Quote: wanderer_032
        like a "wheel"

        Good night, Alexander
        hi
        Why don’t you sleep, you will soon have morning ...
        laughing

        Wah what a wheeled "death to flies". Well, beware, "angry dog."
        good
    3. Voenruk
      Voenruk April 11 2014 15: 33
      0
      What they just can’t come up with, if only they don’t repair the roads. )
  24. studentmati
    studentmati 17 February 2014 23: 20
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Uzola?


    I understand that the name comes from Dersu Uzala? If so, then this is the most accurate definition! good A very interesting book by Vladimir Arsenyev. I respect you very much! drinks Good evening, Alex! hi
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 17 February 2014 23: 49
      +3
      Quote: studentmati
      I understand that the name comes from Dersu Uzala?

      laughing

      Greetings, Alexander!
      hi

      Arsenieva in childhood read, I respect the same. And Dersu Uzala - just raved about them.
      lol

      But Uzhtyzh and Uzola are rivers in the Nizhny Novgorod region.
      Whit.
      yes
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 17 February 2014 23: 54
        +1
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Whit.


        I myself have re-read "Dersu Uzala" six times, the last time in the first year of the institute.
        And I live on the banks of the Vop River (not Vot, but?)
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 17 February 2014 23: 59
          +1
          Quote: studentmati
          don't vote

          Sasha, "vot" I just have a saying.
          winked
          Sorry if I got confused.
          repeat
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 18 February 2014 00: 05
            +1
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Sasha, "vot" I just have a saying.
            winked
            Sorry if I got confused.
            repeat


            The definition of resentment is not included in my vocabulary; I am not a water carrier. I understand you, Lesh. For these machines there are few barriers, and it pleases! drinks
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 18 February 2014 00: 13
              0
              Quote: studentmati
              I understand you, Lesh. For these machines there are few barriers, and it pleases!

              I dream maleho ...
              winked

              Yeah, good mafia.
              drinks
  25. Kus Imak
    Kus Imak 17 February 2014 23: 54
    +4
    Loafs with their patency even got into the IDF.
  26. gorsten79
    gorsten79 18 February 2014 00: 26
    +1
    Interesting. How many have riveted them?
  27. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 11 2014 15: 31
    0
    "Loaf" is a masterpiece of engineering, so modernize it!)