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Russian Navy: prospects of 1 rank ships

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Russian Navy: prospects of 1 rank ships



During the DEFEXPO-2014 exhibition in India, Head of the Department of State Defense Forces of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Anatoly Shlemov told the Voice of Russia about the prospects of the Navy landing forces and the future military-technical cooperation of the Russian Federation with India

- Anatoly Fedorovich, India was recently transferred to Vikramaditya. Will there be more joint projects of this scale?

- Our cooperation with India in no way ends with "Vikramaditya." Although, of course, this project is the most ambitious for all history. Work in this area is not limited to Vikramaditya. As you know, Russia supplied the aviation technical equipment developed by Nevsky Design Bureau for the Indian deck training complex aviation (the analogue of our “NITKA” is the Ground Test Aviation Training Complex. - Ed.), as well as for the Indian new aircraft carrier of Project 71. In addition, negotiations are underway for post-warranty maintenance and support of the aircraft carrier’s life cycle.

- During the work on Vikramadity, Sevmash gained extensive experience in repairing large surface ships. How will he be in demand? Should Kuznetsov be repaired?

- “Admiral Kuznetsov”, of course, needs serious factory repair and modernization. Now the fleet cannot afford to lose the aircraft carrier for a long time - the ship performs important political tasks. And in fact, this is the only platform for the training of pilots of deck aircraft. Conclusion "Kuznetsova" in the repair will result in loss of skills.

- But the new "thread"?

- Yes, the complex is built, and when it is fully commissioned, the aircraft carrier can be taken out for repair. I think this will happen in the coming 3-4 of the year.

- A radical solution to the issue would be the construction of a new aircraft carrier. Should I wait for him in the foreseeable future? What is the state of development?

- We are working on several options for a ship of this class, however, it will be possible to say something definite only after the approval of a long-term program of military shipbuilding, which should be completed this year. She will determine the construction parameters fleet and requirements for ships of the main classes until 2050.

- What can be said about the repair of "Admiral Nakhimov" (heavy nuclear missile cruiser)? How much does it cost?

- Now the preparatory work is underway, in the near future the ship will be put into the pool, where the Vikramaditya recently stood. Deadline for the ship fleet - 2018 year. As for the price - I would not call a specific price. The cruiser during the repair will receive new opportunities thanks to new weapon systems and electronic equipment.

- Is it possible to say that the repair of Nakhimov is the preparation for that for Peter the Great?

- Of course. "Peter the Great" is also extremely important for the fleet, performs a large amount of tasks. The ship joined the fleet in the 1998 year and has been actively exploited since then. The timing of its repair will soon fit, and it will have to be modernized in the same way as Nakhimov.

- How is the work on the project "Leader"?

- You probably know that last year the Ministry of Defense signed a contract for development work (R & D) “Leader” to create a surface ship of the ocean zone.

- How will it be classified? Is it a destroyer or a cruiser?

- While we are talking about a multipurpose combat surface ship of the ocean zone, this term more fully denotes the tasks and capabilities of a prospective ship.

- Is it possible to say something about the technical face of the ship? Displacement, energy, weapons?

- This choice has yet to be made - the fleet has not yet decided, it needs a ship with a gas turbine power plant - and then it’s just the size and displacement. If with a nuclear installation - these are completely different parameters. As for armaments, we have to work a lot on the ship of the ocean zone on the frigate of the 22350 project (a type of multi-purpose frigate of the far sea zone, designed to re-equip the Navy of Russia).

- The ships of the ocean zone to the fleet are sorely lacking, and now, in addition, the Admiral Chabanenko has been renovated. What changes are expected on it?

- The ship will be completely repaired, in addition, a “point” upgrade will be carried out on those nodes whose repair is impossible or too expensive.

- Will the ship's armament change?

- What for? It has high enough characteristics that allow this ship to perform its tasks. Due to modernization, we will additionally increase them somewhat, without spending on full replacement.
In general, it should be noted that Chabanenko and its predecessors of the 1155 project are exceptionally successful ships that ensured the presence of the fleet and the execution of missions in all key areas - the Pacific, Indian Ocean, Gulf of Aden, the Mediterranean Sea, the Atlantic ... We will keep them in the fleet - until there is enough bulk replacement.

- Why “Chabanenko” never received a continuation? Could you make an updated ship on the same general ship systems 15 years ago?

- I have a special attitude to this ship - I was responsible for its construction. It took a lot of effort - there was no money then. But the ship still managed to put into operation.
Vladimir Kuroyedov, then Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, came out with a proposal to build a series - if it were accepted, we could now have at least 6-8 modernized ships of this project. However, in those years, funding for the Navy was minimal. Construction of the series turned out to be simply impossible.

“Today, a series of frigates of the 22350 project is being built, but the launch of the lead ship for tests and its commissioning are constantly being postponed. Are there any changes?

- This year the ship will go to sea. There are problems with the project. They are associated with a large percentage of novelty - in energy, electronics, and arms we laid many promising solutions. Of course, it was not without difficulties, in particular with deliveries from the manufacturers of the corresponding weapons systems and electronic equipment.

We solve these problems. In December, a meeting was held in St. Petersburg under the leadership of Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin, dedicated to these issues. Specific decisions were made on the timing of supplies of equipment and the obligations of manufacturers. We have high hopes for this project, it should give us an effective tool in the far sea zone, and partly in the ocean.

- What can you say about the prospects of the landing forces of the Navy? What is the fate of the “Ivan Gren” and the 11711 project in general (the type of the newest large landing ships intended for the landing of troops, transportation of military equipment and equipment)?

“The problems of the Gren are related, among other things, to a change in the technical specifications of the Navy, but we will hand over this ship next year. It is planned to build another 2-3 large amphibious assault ships of this project.

- But this is not enough to upgrade the landing forces? What type will be the main, "Mistral"?

- The military structure of the Navy will soon include two DVKD (amphibious assault helicopter-dock) of the type "Mistral", but these are quite expensive ships, and they will not be massive.

I believe that the main type of amphibious assault ship can be the medium-sized DVKD, similar in ideology to the Dutch Rotterdam, with a displacement of thousands of tons in 13-15. Such ships can build 6-8 units. In combination with the Mistrals, the 11711 project and the repair of existing BDKs, this will allow keeping the landing forces at the proper level.


Anatoly Shlemov's interview sheds light on the roots of many recent decisions in the field of naval construction, the Voice of Russia military commentator believes. The closest attention should be paid to the aforementioned dates for the start of construction of promising surface ships of the ocean zone, in conjunction with the decision to repair the 1144 project cruisers and negotiations on a possible redemption of the Ukraine cruiser (former Admiral) at the Black Sea Shipyard (Nikolaev, Ukraine). Lobov "), and repair the remaining ships of this class, as well as maintaining the readiness of the ships of the project 1155.

The mentioned timeline for the implementation of the project “Leader”, with the expected laying of the lead ship in the 2017-2018 area, means that the lead ship can be part of the fleet in about 2022-2023, the first production ship in 2024-2025, and more or less they will become massive only by the end of the second decade of our century. Such is the price of a long break in the development of new ships of the ocean zone, but Russia does not have the right to lose this part of the sea power. Under these conditions, ship repair projects 1144, 1164, 1155 - the only way to support the capabilities of the fleet in this area, and as far as possible - to increase them with a relatively quick result.
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  1. Volkhov
    Volkhov 15 February 2014 06: 19
    +4
    The prospect of repairing Aurora and Mikhail Kutuzov so that there are cruisers in the Baltic and the Black Sea.
    1. Civil
      Civil 15 February 2014 07: 13
      +9
      like Rotterdam, a kind of ship
      1. DMB87
        DMB87 15 February 2014 09: 33
        +2
        Johan de Witt (L801)




        Technical characteristics of DVKD "Johan de Witt" (L801):
        Length - 176 m;
        Width - 29 m;
        Draught - 5,5 m;
        Displacement - 16800 tons;
        Marine power plant - two diesel-electric engines «Holec» with a capacity of 198500 l. with.;
        Speed ​​- 19 nodes;
        Cruising range - 11000 miles;
        Crew - 146 man;
        Armament:
        The closed-type anti-aircraft artillery complex "Goalkeeper" 30 mm - 2;
        Artillery mount "Oerlikon" 20 mm - 4;
        Torpedoes - 36;
        Aviation:
        On deck: EH101 type helicopters - 2;
        In the hangar: helicopters such as "Super Puma" or "NH90" - 6;
        Capacity:
        Military equipment - 170 or 33 tank;
        Landing boats of the type "LCVP" - 6 and "LCU" or "LCM" - 4;
        Marines - 613 people;
      2. Gans1234
        Gans1234 8 September 2014 07: 22
        0
        ao price / quality very good - it’s not very expensive, but it can take a lot on yourself
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 15 February 2014 10: 55
      +5
      Quote: Volkhov
      The prospect of repairing Aurora and Mikhail Kutuzov so that there are cruisers in the Baltic and the Black Sea.

      Have a better idea! wassat
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 15 February 2014 14: 36
        +3
        oh yes, "Kirov" reports)))
      2. gispanec
        gispanec 15 February 2014 15: 17
        +1
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Have a better idea

        implement these ideas at home ....
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 17 February 2014 02: 15
          +1
          Quote: gispanec
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Have a better idea

          implement these ideas at home ....

          Nah, you know - we are more about flying robots ... laughing
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 17 February 2014 02: 28
            +1
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Nah, you know - we are more about flying robots ... laughing

            Welcome hi And what an unknown gravitascope, I do not understand what for it is a vertical takeoff and such a form! As a scout is not so hot!
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 17 February 2014 03: 28
              +1
              Quote: Sid.74

              Welcome hi And what an unknown gravitascope, I do not understand what for it is a vertical takeoff and such a form! As a scout is not so hot!

              Hey. This is not a scout.
              Development has been underway since 2008 on the order of the Israeli army.
              The tasks are to deliver equipment and ammunition to the battlefield, and then pick up the wounded.
              AirMule may, according to the developer, be able to take on board up to 227 kilograms of payload. The device is equipped with a Turbomeca Arriel1 engine with 750 horsepower. This drone with a take-off mass of 1,4 tons is capable of speeds up to 97 knots (180 kilometers per hour) and fly at altitudes up to 3,7 thousands of meters. AirMule can stay in the air for up to five hours.
              It also implies the adaptation of technology to civilian needs.

              Here is the link to the developer's site
              - http://www.urbanaero.com
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 17 February 2014 11: 06
                +1
                Quote: And Us Rat
                The tasks are to deliver equipment and ammunition to the battlefield, and then pick up the wounded.

                Thanks, but I broke my head, what for? Everything is now clear, this is a light armored truck, an air mule! laughing And then I wondered what for such awkwardness in the air and such a wide fuselage! The concept is certainly very interesting if we are talking about the delivery of ammunition and grenades, maybe rocket launchers!
                But how do I take out the wounded of something, I doubt its effectiveness!
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 17 February 2014 12: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Sid.74
                  But how do I take out the wounded of something, I doubt its effectiveness!

                  Well what can you do? request But the developers and customers have no doubt. wink
                  1. Sid.74
                    Sid.74 17 February 2014 15: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    Well what can you do? request But the developers and customers have no doubt. wink

                    I doubt its effectiveness because it is vulnerable when landing and taking off and in the air, it’s impossible to disappear noticeably and the armor makes its way through to everyone that is more powerful than 7.62! At night, if it works, I think the concept of repairmen from these same mules is much more promising! or as a civilian ambulance!
                    Maybe it would be more appropriate to make an air cushion drone! Landing below makes noise the same way, and in 300 meters the horse-radish gets this carrier of the wounded would be less vulnerable! And running through the water! You can hang the armor around the perimeter more seriously, you can put up a monocoque for the wounded, and even the weapon of the machine gun can do it! and gradually stop!
                    This is my idea much more obvious, safer to maintain easier! hi
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 17 February 2014 21: 17
                      +1
                      Sid, don’t forget, we have mountains all around, you can’t ride an air cushion on them, but for the plains and desert there is a wheeled mule, it is much simpler, quieter and cheaper than an air cushion, and faster than Amersky on its paws.
                      With proper warfare, anything more powerful than 7.62 can be cleaned remotely before contact with infantry (since there are a thousand tools for this today).
                      I flew an evacuation helicopter a couple of times, it is still more vulnerable than a flying mule, because it is larger and more limited in piloting, the helicopter does not fly especially 2 meters above the ground among trees (this is why the mule has propellers of a closed type) and now what? Do not save the wounded? request
                      And the escort mule to the tow truck with a suspended turret is quite a doable thing. request
                      1. Sid.74
                        Sid.74 17 February 2014 21: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        And the escort mule to the tow truck with a suspended turret is quite a doable thing. request

                        What I did not think about it! And if in pairs and with a turret, then there is a sense! Maybe you can attach a grenade launcher! Hmm winked
                        Of course to save! People are the same!
                        I feel you will soon be overwhelming the entire world market with drones and unmanned wunder fells! laughing
                        Perhaps the pillows with airbags, I will save for myself! bully
                      2. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 17 February 2014 21: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Sid.74
                        Perhaps the pillows with airbags, I will save for myself! bully

                        God help. good wink (Gee, I forgot that I'm an agnostic laughing let it be - good luck hi )
    3. gispanec
      gispanec 15 February 2014 19: 51
      +1
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Have a better idea!

      Shoigu’s idea would still be better ... Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu vaguely hinted that our country was able to present its counterarguments. “Every decision has two sides. If one side removes the restrictions, then the other may already consider itself not obligated to fulfill the obligations assumed earlier, ”said Shoigu ... this is for deliveries of 300 to Syria along with Russian specialists .... link - http://svpressa.ru/ war21 / article / 68706 /? from = sm24
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 17 February 2014 02: 19
        0
        Quote: gispanec
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Have a better idea!

        Shoigu’s idea would still be better ... Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu vaguely hinted that our country was able to present its counterarguments. “Every decision has two sides. If one side removes the restrictions, then the other may already consider itself not obligated to fulfill the obligations assumed earlier, ”said Shoigu ... this is for deliveries of 300 to Syria along with Russian specialists .... link - http://svpressa.ru/ war21 / article / 68706 /? from = sm24

        No links found? laughing
  2. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 15 February 2014 11: 16
    +5
    Quote: Volkhov
    The prospect of repairing Aurora and Mikhail Kutuzov so that there are cruisers in the Baltic and the Black Sea.


    Cruiser in the Baltic? Too much. He with his weapons without leaving the base will cover the entire water area. This task is completely performed by coastal complexes.
    Aurora symbol no more. And as part of the Baltic Fleet was needed to maintain the status of LenVMB, all the same ship of the 1st rank)))
    1. alone
      alone 15 February 2014 12: 43
      0
      - “Admiral Kuznetsov”, of course, needs serious factory repair and modernization. Now the fleet cannot afford to lose the aircraft carrier for a long time - the ship performs important political tasks. And in fact, this is the only platform for the training of pilots of deck aircraft. Conclusion "Kuznetsova" in the repair will result in loss of skills.


      Pondering, it turns out that the devil knows that. It seems that the ship needs repair and modernization, and a long process will result in a loss of qualification of carrier-based aviation. What a dilemma, anyway.
    2. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 15 February 2014 12: 44
      +1
      Great idea. Aurora is a cruiser, with armor, the displacement will allow you to install modern equipment and weapons. And the fact that it will block the entire Baltic with weapons is so wonderful. Put on it 3-4 dozen "Caliber" and "hello NATO". Coastal complexes have certain problems (they have "wheels" laughing ), so as a "ship" Aurora I believe will be in demand. And the rest of the korbals can be transferred from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean or the Black Sea. wink
    3. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 15 February 2014 12: 52
      0
      I will add - "Calibers" on the Baltic on old ships are an interesting thing - the distance along the coast allows you to cover the entire North of Europe - to the Atlantic coast of England and France. And from Novorossiysk "Tunis-Malta" line is blocked. laughing
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 15 February 2014 13: 37
        +2
        but, what would be, a world power is needed, an aircraft carrier fleet (((
        carrier strike group, the most effective >>>> in the oceans ((((
        marine deck pilots in Russia, less than astronauts (((

        Major General Timur Apakidze 1954-2001 years, Russian Federation ((((
        one of the aces, deck aviation of Russia (((

        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 15 February 2014 13: 43
          +3


          interesting shots about carrier-based aviation >>> aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" (((
    4. Volkhov
      Volkhov 15 February 2014 14: 32
      +2
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Too much. He with his weapons without leaving the base will cover the entire water area.

      The historical role of Aurora is to keep the government at gunpoint for the progress and future of all mankind, therefore a range of 700 ... 800 km is needed, Granite is quite suitable.
    5. gispanec
      gispanec 15 February 2014 15: 19
      +1
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Cruiser in the Baltic? Excess

      you are either too young ... or you have absolutely no sense of "zadornov" ... relax and smile ... there was a joke about the cruiser
      1. Gans1234
        Gans1234 8 September 2014 07: 29
        0
        )))))
        Unfortunately, the BF is a flag fleet of demonstrations, no more.
        And by strategic importance it is below all
    6. Gans1234
      Gans1234 8 September 2014 07: 28
      0
      Yes, especially in the Baltic and do not need anything.
      Sarych - for modernization
      2 guard - they will probably be beaten
      4 corvettes are the newest already.
      2 Bison, BDK. + A pair of new landing boats.
      To protect the coastal strip is enough.
  3. starshina78
    starshina78 15 February 2014 13: 43
    0
    Sarcasm is inappropriate here! "Aurora" and "Kutuzov" are museum ships, the pride of our fleet. As for the words of Anatoly Shlemov, God forbid that all this be fulfilled! Russia needs a powerful, oceanic Fleet, which it was at the time when we served and went campaigns everywhere in the Atlantic and in the Indian, and the Pacific and especially the Arctic is the sea borders of Russia, and they were heavily defended.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 15 February 2014 14: 40
      +2
      Quote: starshina78
      Sarcasm is inappropriate here! "Aurora" and "Kutuzov" are museum ships

      Inappropriate protection of Sochi by the American fleet (Mount Whitney and Remage), and in the absence of other cruisers Kutuzov may well be the flag carrier.
  4. kris
    kris 15 February 2014 14: 11
    +6
    The answer to many questions on this thread.
    Admiralty Shipyards buy BMW for 4 million rubles
    The state-owned enterprise Admiralty Shipyards, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, intends to purchase a BMW 750 Lix Drive for 4 million rubles. The corresponding notice is posted on the public procurement website.

    As follows from the technical specifications, it should be a black car with a leather-trimmed interior. Production date - not earlier than 2013 of the year.

    It should be noted that earlier the United Shipbuilding Corporation purchased a representative class Mercedes for 4,1 million rubles for its needs.
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  • Same lech
    Same lech 15 February 2014 06: 22
    +2
    after the approval of a long-term naval shipbuilding program to be completed this year
    -Let's see what it will be- it seems like only then we specifically learn about the plans for the revival of the Russian Navy.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 February 2014 10: 51
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      we learn about the plans for the revival of the Russian fleet.

      I wish they also included the modernization of TARKR Lazarev. hi
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 15 February 2014 11: 14
      +15
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      -Let's see what it will be- it seems like only then we specifically learn about the plans for the revival of the Russian Navy.

      And here I am, I'm increasingly afraid that we will only find out, but we will not see.
      The date sounded - 2050 - I will not live to see it -100%.
      Actually, Shlemov confirmed what I caught minuses yesterday - the fleet management does not know what it wants, and they continue to cut ready-made projects alive, releasing 1-2 ships - here they begin to come up with new ones - they say they have either a little or a lot of weapons or the price is big.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 15 February 2014 12: 06
        +20
        Quote: lelikas
        the fleet’s leadership does not know what it wants, and they continue to tailor finished projects alive by launching the 1-2 ships — here they also begin to come up with new ones — they say that they have little or a lot of weapons or the price is big.

        For sovereign affairs he ended up in the sea capital. Met with colleagues engaged in shipbuilding (chief builder, engineer-designer of core systems).
        I ask: men, when will there be new ships, otherwise it will not be comme il faut, however. Answer: yes, you can lower the hull at least once a year, there is nothing to start. Then they opened the crack for me to look at the abyss. After that I wanted to get drunk in a zyuzy.
        The thing is that the series cannot be started with old systems, but new ones do not go. Promising - hang on promises from science with a constant postponement of the availability of experimental samples.
        The Commander-in-Chief was warned: we give money once and do not ask again. So it rushes between the desire to get the pepelats, the timing, cost of the issue and the construction of promising years on 20 (at least) ships.
        And this problem has already appeared on the corvettes, the same with "22350", remember the ordeal of the head pr.885 "Severodvinsk", the flights of "Bulava" from Boreyev.
        The fleet is ready to receive ships, not hulls. Therefore, they constantly transfer funding, directing money to where it goes to military units, not ersatz.
        And you, brother, say that "the leadership of the fleet does not know what it wants" ... IMHO.
        1. Hitrovan07
          Hitrovan07 15 February 2014 12: 46
          +2
          Ehhhh, the less you know the better you sleep.
        2. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 15 February 2014 12: 51
          +3
          I agree. A ship is built under a weapon, not a weapon under a ship. Hulls can be riveted even a dime a dozen, but in the absence of modern types of weapons and components for its maintenance and guidance, the ship will remain only a floating box. This applies to all types of ships. What is an aircraft carrier without a combat-ready air group? Or a BOD (frigate) without modern weapons? Only the development of modern radio electronics, the creation of weapons models that are superior to those of the enemy are able to bring the Navy to a new level. But it is still not enough to create such, it is necessary to produce in the required quantities.
          That is why the "Gorshkov" and "Gren" build eternity and the "Boreas" gather dust without weapons ...
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 15 February 2014 15: 26
            -1
            Quote: Rurikovich
            Or BOD (frigate)

            for this phrase minus
        3. Altona
          Altona 15 February 2014 13: 33
          0
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          The thing is that the series cannot be started with old systems, but new ones do not go. Promising - hang on promises from science with a constant postponement of the availability of experimental samples.

          ------------------------------
          Mdaa ... What for the platform is necessary if there is nothing to carry on it? And what, with weapons and detection equipment in general, full of chtoli seams? If the national task is so solved, then you can forget about aircraft carriers since 2020, or what year there is, even if there’s nothing to equip the corvette destroyer with ... Just like in a war, put the land systems on the deck for armament, guns, RZSO ...
        4. lelikas
          lelikas 15 February 2014 13: 48
          0
          Yes, I am aware of all these problems, and therefore I will not see nichrome .... sad
          And at the expense of old and new systems - if we wait for them - we’ll remain completely without a fleet, and this is even sadder. Replacing a bus or universal launchers on the same frigate will be a lesser problem than not having it at hour H.
  • Edward72
    Edward72 15 February 2014 06: 24
    +5
    According to the article, the court themselves do not know what they want, continuous fog.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 15 February 2014 06: 28
      +2
      Blue fog is so much like a hoax ... smile
  • Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 15 February 2014 07: 31
    +12
    Another blah blah blah ... "Give me more money." And at the exit ...
    Well, we will not talk about the TAVKR, God forbid, "Kuznetsov" will be poisoned for repairs, which by the way has matured and will generally be left without an aircraft carrier.
    "Peter the Great" keeps an ocean watch, "Nakhimov" is being re-equipped at "Zvezdochka", they threaten to be commissioned by 2018. "Kirov" and "Lazarev" are most likely all ...



    Project 1164 RRC also keep watch: the modernized "Moscow" does not climb out of the sea, performing tasks, now covers the Olympics in Sochi, last year it was joined by "Varyag" from the Pacific Fleet, "Ustinov" on modernization. Maybe they will buy the ex. "Lobov" - "Ukraine", although it will take at least 2 years from the date of purchase to its entry into the fleet, because its condition is not so hot, and the weapons systems are already outdated.



    Destroyers. Full paragraph !!! It is scary to let the 956s with their killed DEUs go far from the coast, the BODs of Project 1155 are primarily anti-submarine ships that do not have anti-ship missiles and are not intended for striking ground targets. Our only ship that can be attributed to the category of destroyers "Chabanenko" is now undergoing repairs, which will begin only this year. The laying of the first destroyer under the new project is expected already in 2016, and taking into account the current pace of construction, it will take 8-10 years before its delivery to the fleet.
    Frigates of projects 22350 and 11356 belong to ships of the 2nd rank and will occupy the niche occupied in the Soviet fleet by the TFRs of projects 61 and 1135, respectively. However, the timing of their construction does not give rise to optimism. Extreme photograph of Gorshkov on January 18th gun mount not installed
    Here, however, there are 2 more or less new ships of Project 11540, but there are no anti-ship missiles on the Neustrashim, and Yaroslav the Wise is armed with only 8 "mosquitoes", i.e. in terms of its combat capabilities, it roughly corresponds to the project 20380 corvette. And they are already under repair. Moreover, "Undaunted" until 2015
    BDK. Full paragraph again !!! Nothing similar to the "workhorses" of the Soviet fleet BDK projects 775 and 1171 is expected in the near future, and those that remain are successfully achieved by the "Syrian Express". The Mistrals are not replacing them in any way, and the Ivan Gren is being built at such a pace that it will only enter service in 2015, and most likely as an armed transport. BDK project 1174 successfully scrapped.
    Diesel-electric submarine-project 677 "Lada" turned out to be so unsuccessful that after the entry into service of "St. Petersburg" the fleet generally wanted to abandon the project, and the diesel-electric submarine itself, only 3 years after its adoption, was sent to the Northern Fleet for testing. True, they decided to finish building 2 more boats of this project and for the Black Sea Fleet to build 6 diesel-electric submarines of project 636.6, which are a modernized version of the export 877EKM. Well, by the way, it is too early to drop the 877s themselves from the shields.



    meeting "St. Petersburg" at the Northern Fleet
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 15 February 2014 07: 53
      +12
      I apologize for failing to attach the photos to the text, so I have to put them in a separate post.

      TARKR project 1144 "Admiral Nakhimov" in the settling tank "Zvezdochki"

      TARKR project 1144 "Admiral Lazarev" laid up in the Abrek Bay. Here is his status as of June 2013.




      RRC project 1164 "Ukraine" (formerly "Admiral Lobov") at the shipyard in Nikolaev

      "Admiral Gorshkov" on 18.01.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. The gun installation is not installed ...
      1. jjj
        jjj 15 February 2014 12: 18
        +1
        "Nakhimov" - at Sevmash. And on "Zvezdochka" - the former "Ushakov"
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 15 February 2014 14: 03
          0
          Quote: jjj
          And on "Zvezdochka" - the former "Ushakov"
          Former "Kirov" ...
      2. Altona
        Altona 15 February 2014 13: 37
        +2
        It would be nice to cooperate with Ukraine again, probably not all the shipbuilders in Nikolaev were lost and slowly revive the really great Russian fleet ... Now you are just beginning to realize how much we have lost and rolled back with "perestroischegs" ...
      3. Alexander Petrovich
        Alexander Petrovich 15 February 2014 15: 12
        0
        I’m wondering why they are kept in water in general, and not on land, but salt eats away the casing, if they built special risers, wherever they were kept, it was not cheap, but the ship would not be badly damaged.
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    3. Kapitänleutnant
      Kapitänleutnant 15 February 2014 08: 47
      +6
      on the destroyers 956 of the project, not a DEU, but a boiler-turbine power plant, but on "Yaroslav the Wise" PKR "Uranium". Learn the materiel.
    4. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 10: 21
      +1
      Quote: Novel 1977
      Maybe they will buy the ex. "Lobov" - "Ukraine", although at least 2 years will pass from the date of purchase to its entry into the fleet, because its condition is not so hot, and the weapons systems are already outdated.

      If they buy it, it’s only for TECHNICAL CANNIBALISM that is, for parts for other cruisers of this project
  • taseka
    taseka 15 February 2014 08: 14
    +3
    1 category of Russia, 2Allies and for sale to all sorts of neutrals there - only 3 rank!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 February 2014 12: 32
      +4
      Quote: taseka
      for sale to all sorts of neutrals there - only 3 rank!

      The category of performance characteristics of weapons and the rank of the ship are different things. Ships of rank 3 (mrk, rka) are bought from us by Vietnam, 2 ranks - submarines of pr.877, 636 - are bought by the PRC, for example. Ships of the 1st rank - avu "Vikramaditya" (purchased), and pla "Chakra" (taken on lease) - we supply India. So with rank 3 - span. Foreign customers are aware of this, therefore, in order to improve the performance characteristics of weapons, they are asked to supply foreign samples. Sometimes we agree, but mostly we refuse. Why do they take ours? satisfies the price / quality ratio, and secondly, there is no email. bookmarks like others.
  • krpmlws
    krpmlws 15 February 2014 08: 49
    +1
    It is really incomprehensible, it is necessary to continue to build a series of project 1155.1 (Chabanenko) .When promising destroyers will begin to put into operation. Everyone is fed with promises and overwhelmed with plans for the distant future.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2014 10: 51
      0
      And who needs it? This destroyer today will lose to everyone, even the Chinese 051C. He is out of date. Maintain - yes! But even the frigate 11356 will be preferable to the fleet. What actually do.
  • DMB87
    DMB87 15 February 2014 09: 08
    +6
    And another photo from "Zvezdochka"





  • demel2
    demel2 15 February 2014 09: 14
    +6
    They feed them with promises and diligently cut the loot, scandals with cuts in the USC occur constantly. The main thing in their business is not the defense of the state, but to promise a bunch of firewood. To master the loot, and then you don’t know yourself.
  • Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 15 February 2014 09: 57
    +8
    In total, during the reign of medical courses, our industry surrendered to the fleet:
    1 TFR project 11540 "Yastreb" - "Yaroslav the Wise", for the Baltic Fleet, laid down in 1988 - commissioned in 2009 (21 years passed from the moment of laying down to delivery to the fleet);

    2 TFR project 11661 for KFL, "Tatarstan" was founded in 1990 - delivered in 2003 (13 years); "Dagestan" was founded in 1991 - commissioned in 2012 (21 years old);

    3 TFR (corvettes) of the project 20380, for the Baltic Fleet: "Guarding" was laid in 2001 - delivered in 2008 (7 years); "Savvy" was founded in 2003 - commissioned in 2011 (8 years); "Boyky" was founded in 2005 - commissioned in 2013 (8 years). That is, a corvette with a total displacement of 2220 tons has been under construction for 7-8 years.
    At present, one more corvette of Project 1 "Stoyky" is to be delivered to the fleet - laid in 22380, this year will be handed over to the fleet, it turns out again 2006 years. In the Far East in 8 at the Amur plant a corvette "Perfect" was laid down, it has not yet been launched, it is expected to be delivered to the fleet by the end of this year, which is unlikely ...


    photos of the construction of the Corvette "Perfect"
    The larger ship frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov", laid down in 2006, is supposed to be handed over to the fleet this year. The situation is similar with the Ivan Gren large landing craft, founded in 2004, which is being built at such a pace that it will enter service only in 2015, and most likely as an armed transport.

    That is, out of 6 large ships, 3 of the largest (Yaroslav the Wise, Dagestan, Tatarstan) were built from the Soviet reserve.
    3 IAC project 21630 for CFL "Astrakhan" was founded in 2004 - delivered in 2006 (2 years); Volgodonsk was founded in 2005 - commissioned in 2011 (6 years); "Makhachkala" was founded in 2006 - commissioned in 2012 (6 years).

    In the Caspian Sea, the tests of 2 MRK project 21631 "Uglich" (3 years) and "Grad Sviyazhsk" (4 years) are being completed.
    1 MTSH "Vice-Admiral Zakharyin" of project 02668 "Agat" for the Black Sea Fleet was founded in 1990 - delivered in 2008 (18 years old);
    1 RCA of the 12411 project for the Pacific Fleet is laid down in 1992, was commissioned in 2003 (11 years);
    6 Project 21980 Grachonok project: 3 for the Black Sea Fleet, 1 for the Baltic Fleet, 1 for the Pacific Fleet, 1 for the KFL (average construction period is 1 year). Another one is being completed for the Pacific Fleet.
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 15 February 2014 10: 12
      +5
      11 DKA: 3 of the 1176 project “Shark” (for the Northern Fleet, Pacific Fleet, Black Sea Fleet); 7 of the 11770 project “Chamois” (3 for CFL, 2 for Baltic Fleet, 1 for Pacific Fleet, 1 for Black Sea Fleet). 1 of the 21820 project "Dugong" (for CFL).
      On tests 3 DKA: 2 project 11770 "Chamois" (for CFL), 1 project 21820 "Dugong" (for Pacific Fleet)
      One special-purpose boat 1 "Raptor" is undergoing trials, 03160 similar boats 2A "Mongoose" are being completed on the water.
      Submarines :
      2 SSBNs of project 955 "Borey": For Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet; "Yuri Dolgoruky" was founded in 1996 - commissioned in 2012 (16 years old); "Alexander Nevsky" - founded in 2004 - commissioned in 2013 (9 years). Both boats are in trial operation. On trials, a submarine of a similar project "Vladimir Monomakh", for the Pacific Fleet, has been built since 2006, if it is handed over this year - 8 years.
      1 MPLATRK project 885 "Ash" for SF - put into trial operation. Laid down in the 1993 year, delivered to the fleet in the 2013 year (20 years).
      "Severodvinsk" will be accepted into the combat composition of the Russian Navy not earlier than the second half of this year due to incomplete tests of hydroacoustics, navigation, electro-mechanical part, missile complex "Caliber", as well as work to reduce noise in order to bring it to parameters installed in the TTZ.

      The next boat of the Kazan project is expected in 2015 (laid down in 2009).

      1 diesel-electric submarine of project 677 "Lada" "St. Petersburg", while for the BF, transferred to the Northern Fleet for testing, in trial operation. Laid down in 1997, commissioned to the fleet in 1010 (13 years old).

      arrival of diesel-electric submarines of project 677 "Saint Petersburg" to the Northern Fleet
      The boats turned out to be so unsuccessful that in February 2012 of the year the media said that the Navy was abandoning the Lada project, according to Commander-in-Chief Vysotsky:
      ... the declared technical characteristics of the submarines of the 677 project are not confirmed by tests of the head submarine "St. Petersburg". “In its current form, Lada, the Russian Navy is not needed. We do not need new “brains” with weapons that would sit on the energy of the Second World War. What for? Who needs this? And her operational properties are the same ...

      However, the project was not abandoned and it was decided to complete the construction of 2 diesel-electric submarines of the project: Kronstadt (laid down in 2005) and Sevastopol (laid down in 2006)
      After the failure with project 677, they were forced to begin construction of diesel-electric submarines of project 636.6, which is a development of project 877, originally intended for export. The first diesel-electric submarine "Novorossiysk", laid down in 2010, launched on November 28.11.2013, XNUMX, is expected to be delivered to the fleet at the end of this year. In the same year, another diesel-electric submarine of the Rostov-on-Don project is expected.
      1 Project 20120 Sarov special-purpose diesel submarine designed for testing new types of weapons and military equipment. Based on the SF. Laid down in 1989, delivered to the fleet in 2008 (19 years old).
      1 special purpose nuclear submarine of the 10831 AC-31 project. Based on SF. Laid in the 1990 year, delivered to the fleet in the 2010 year (20 years)
      1. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 15 February 2014 13: 00
        +3
        About the activities of the "regime" you are right. BUT now there is a set of "count", the shipyards are all "busy", the problems are in the "stuffing" and not in the hulls. 20 years of destruction of scientific and industrial enterprises do not pass in vain, so it's good, what else is there to criticize, otherwise Eastern Europe and the Baltics would now boast about the growth in real estate prices and the amount of loans taken from the West. Let's hope that Russia still has time and people, and the rest will follow.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 15 February 2014 15: 07
        +2
        Quote: Novel 1977
        1 Project 20120 Sarov special purpose diesel submarine,

        Good afternoon, Roman. With B-90 Sarov is not so simple. yes, she's a big non-nuclear submarine. Although...
        "One of the main tasks that was solved during the launch of this submarine is the installation of a compact nuclear reactor on a diesel submarine as a backup propulsion system. The main goal is to provide the fleet with an inexpensive and at the same time reliable warship capable of long-term autonomous underwater navigation like expensive nuclear submarines ".http: //topwar.ru/6882-tainstvennaya-submarina-sarov.html
        Further, apparently, they will run in what will come out of the "Crystal".
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  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 15 February 2014 09: 57
    +4
    Not a word about the fate of the rest of the Orlans.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 15 February 2014 10: 10
      0
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      Not a word about the fate of the rest of the Orlans.

      And what fate can they have other than cutting for scrap? They would have been cut for a long time, but they probably don’t want to get involved in nuclear power plants, because it’s expensive.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 15 February 2014 12: 51
        0
        Quote: 1c-inform-city
        Not a word about the fate of the rest of the Orlans.


        Quote: Nayhas
        And what fate can they have other than cutting for scrap? They would have been cut for a long time, but they probably don’t want to get involved in nuclear power plants, because it’s expensive.

        Their fate will be decided, after the modernization of Nakhimov, before that everything was blah ... blah ... blah ...
  • predator.3
    predator.3 15 February 2014 09: 57
    +8
    The mentioned deadlines for the implementation of the Leader project, with the expected laying of the lead ship in the region of 2017-2018, mean that the lead ship can enter the fleet in about 2022-2023, the first production ship in 2024-2025,


    Again from the series - or check, or donkey! wait 5-10 years, but in a faster way it is impossible, say, how Olympic facilities were built ($ 50 billion)! at this pace, and ships need to be built!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2014 10: 44
      +5
      Your option? You can feed bundles of dollars to workers, but all the stages of design and development from this will not pass faster. This is not a topic, we will hire 10000 Tajiks and attract 200% of the necessary subcontractors - doubling the pace. There are complex matter. FREMM also didn’t do it on their knees, but 80% of the equipment and weapons installed on it were run on other ships. We cannot even dream of such a thing. Look at Gorshkov’s percent of novelty scales, at 20385 too. What can we say about promising projects.
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 15 February 2014 14: 59
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Your option? You can feed bundles of dollars to workers, but all the stages of design and development from this will not pass faster. This is not a topic, we will hire 10000 Tajiks and attract 200% of the necessary subcontractors - doubling the pace. There are complex matter. FREMM also didn’t do it on their knees, but 80% of the equipment and weapons installed on it were run on other ships. We cannot even dream of such a thing. Look at Gorshkov’s percent of novelty scales, at 20385 too. What can we say about promising projects.


        They give birth for a long time! but the Chinese are not asleep, there is an article above "China has designed a new generation frigate"!
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 15 February 2014 10: 16
    +4
    Admiral Kuznetsov, of course, needs serious factory repairs and modernization. Now the fleet cannot afford to lose an aircraft carrier for a long time - the ship performs important political tasks. And in fact, this is the only platform for training deck pilots. The conclusion of "Kuznetsov" in the repair will result in a loss of qualification. ... the aircraft carrier can be brought out for repair. I think this will happen in the next 3-4 years.

    After 3-4 years, there will be nothing to withdraw, Kuzya will die as a hero at the post ...
    the fleet has not yet decided, he needs a ship with a gas turbine power plant - and then these are the same dimensions and displacement. If with a nuclear installation, these are completely different parameters.

    Of course, with a nuclear one, without pants, but with an atomic fleet, then he shouldn’t bother with disposing of this trash shining with radiation ...
  • vadson
    vadson 15 February 2014 10: 32
    0
    Even with BDK they want to make a mess again. and old projects and gren and mistral and still cheto gathered to sculpt .... old rake?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2014 10: 47
      +3
      The Navy has abandoned the type-VMV landing and is mastering fashionable vertical coverage. For this, UDC and DKVD are needed. The 775 BDK or even Gren can only be used as VTR (which is now being done on the Novorossiysk-Tartus line) or as auxiliary forces (second echelons of landing on the bridgehead). Therefore, the Navy does not order the construction of Grena, but the development of the DKVD such as Rotterdam, 071 or San Antonio.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 15 February 2014 11: 48
    +1
    simply put, we need cruisers and aircraft carriers
  • moremansf
    moremansf 15 February 2014 11: 51
    +6
    It becomes sad from such terms !!! There was a fleet and was gone !!! Very disappointing!!! Lord Gorbachev and Yeltsin in the 90-th years put a lot of effort into this !!! And most importantly, no one answered for this !!! It remains only to believe that the time will come when the fleet will again become the same !!!!
    In the photo: EM pr 956 "Modern" and "Desperate" cut in Murmansk.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 February 2014 12: 17
      +2
      The death of 956 was laid in the design. With our approach and our operation, it was impossible to allow the choice of requiring such a thin and highly specialized operation of power plants. Any failure (no matter the collapse of the country or the war) - and the ships very quickly become sky-ready without a move.

      Now they support the 2 destroyer in good condition, through the strictest control and selection of personnel, as well as quick repairs due to the cannibalization of other ships. Another conditionally running. The Navy hopes to revive the Pacific Fleet destroyer 1 destroyer.

      The rest is just for cutting.
      1. Gans1234
        Gans1234 8 September 2014 07: 35
        0
        They promised 956 to completely upgrade to the level of destroyers by 20.
        Right now, 2 Sarych is under repair.
        But 1155 got it - they will upgrade to a minimum
    2. little man
      little man 15 February 2014 12: 20
      0
      A sad sight, exacerbated by a mess.
      Can't cut it neatly? Here it is a reflection of "ruin in the heads"
  • shark
    shark 15 February 2014 12: 12
    +1
    About 50 years and huge investments are needed to restore the fleet. But what to do. There is still no alternative. Only so. In essence, the Russian fleet is undergoing the same birth as under Peter the Great. Oh very famously liberalsna cope with the collapse. By the way, I have a question, who of the Leberasts can read, so you tell Gorbachev, he doesn’t want to apologize to the Russian people for last. Here, kneel in front of the cameras and ask him to forgive him for everything? .
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 15 February 2014 13: 14
    0
    Finally, at least something intelligible. No plans for a bunch. Restoration of large ships of the USSR course is quite logical and expected. Small DVKD for all fleets is also a sound idea.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 15 February 2014 13: 17
    +1
    Now you need to invest not so much in ships as in a scientific and production base and restore personnel there. Without this, nothing can be built.
    Well, to quickly replenish the Pacific Fleet, you need to try to buy pieces of 4 modern frigates abroad.
  • kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 15 February 2014 14: 46
    +1
    How not to read an article about our fleet, the hand reaches for the bottle. Throw everything and go and get a job at least take out the garbage from the "asterisk" chtol ... What a blast, even shoot ... ((
  • klim44
    klim44 15 February 2014 14: 47
    0
    yet another fantasies of the military-industrial complex, for what shisha, at their breathtaking prices, will they set up ships? There is no money in the country, it has already recognized the GDP, and the 2018 World Cup looms ahead. Maybe it's time to start placing orders at the shipyards of South Korea - they will build it quickly quickly and with good quality and, God forbid, cheaper.
  • malikszh
    malikszh 15 February 2014 16: 10
    0
    Leader project - what kind of project? submarine or BOD?
    1. Vilor
      Vilor 15 February 2014 19: 59
      0
      The design of the new destroyer. Although possible, most likely a cruiser.
  • Santor
    Santor 15 February 2014 16: 29
    +2
    Quote: klim44
    Maybe it’s time to start placing orders at the shipyards of South Korea - they’ll build quickly quickly and, God forbid, cheaper.


    By the way, I visited such an idea a week ago. South Korea overtook Japan and almost overtook China, and today the world shipbuilding power is 2. At least not military, at least auxiliary ships to build ships abroad to unload our stocks. Without vessels of the auxiliary fleet, fighting like babies without mothers.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 15 February 2014 19: 39
    +1
    Quote: gispanec
    for this phrase minus

    Thanks for the directness hi ... Brackets for the younger generation. In the Soviet classification, these ships were called BOD, in the Western classification, they were called frigates. In terms of their performance characteristics, both Russians and Westerners are similar. As well as by occupation. It's just that now they like to imitate the West and more and more often "frigates" and "corvettes" are heard. for the young ear it is in the order of things, for the older generation the old designation is more familiar. That's why it happened. But thanks anyway for the minus hi
    PSFrom the change of name the essence of the problem does not change.
  • Gans1234
    Gans1234 8 September 2014 07: 37
    0
    Can we buy Rotterdam right away ???
    But what, 300 lyam apiece - garbage question - 2 billion - and the treasured 6 DVDKD has been in operation after 4-5 years.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 26 November 2014 21: 38
    0
    The idea of ​​"making friends" with the Koreans, building a modern pool with appropriate filling for laying, building 1st rank ships in the Far East is not new, they themselves are not against such a serious deal, only "Uncle Sam" does not approve of such cooperation. Dual-use ships need to be built, the merchant fleet is rapidly aging. Yes, many problems have piled up in twenty-five (I’m not mistaken!) Years of marking time, plundering and collapsing the shipbuilding industry. We are faced with a dilemma - to restore the old or build a new one all at once, and I want to and prick.