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The operational compound assembled in the Mediterranean is the strongest in the Navy in the composition of the shock forces.

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The operational compound assembled in the Mediterranean is the strongest in the Navy in the composition of the shock forces.Large landing ships (BDK) of the Baltic fleet After replenishment of supplies in Novorossiysk on the night of February 11, Minsk and the Black Sea Yamal crossed the Bosphorus Strait and became operational subordinate of the permanent operational connection of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean Sea, Interfax-AVN reported with reference to information received at the General Headquarters Navy.


Thus, the compound under the command of captain 1 of the rank of Oleg Peshkurov today already has 16 ships and vessels. These are the heavy nuclear missile cruiser “Peter the Great”, the heavy aircraft carrying cruiser “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov”, the large anti-submarine ship “Admiral Levchenko”, BDK “Azov”, “George the Victorious” “Olenegorsky miner”, “Kaliningrad” and joined it "Minsk" and "Yamal", as well as the average reconnaissance ship "Admiral Fedor Golovin." Their activities are provided by tugboats "Altai" and "Nikolay Chiker", tankers "Sergey Osipov", "Iman" and "Kama". In the Syrian port of Tartus there is a floating workshop PM-56. The operational compound assembled in the Mediterranean today is the strongest in the Navy in terms of the composition of the shock forces, including nuclear weapon.

It is noteworthy that the 15 of January Gibraltar was forced by three warships and a naval support vessel with two tactical groups. It is possible that under the cover of the first tactical group led by the cruiser Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov, it made a breakthrough into the Mediterranean Sea and a nuclear submarine of the Northern Fleet.
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  1. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 14 February 2014 14: 38
    +35
    They are building up the group and not without reason seeing .. Obama is again threatened! All the bastards will not calm down!
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 14 February 2014 14: 53
      +20
      It’s good if they simply carry out current tasks, it’s bad if for some event ...
      1. arane
        arane 14 February 2014 15: 31
        +20
        And even worse, if we do not prepare for this event
        1. AVV
          AVV 14 February 2014 21: 44
          +2
          Quote: arane
          And even worse, if we do not prepare for this event

          The Republicans are pushing Obama for all sorts of adventures, because they oversee and cover the military-industrial complex, and he loses orders without a war, therefore, all sorts of adventures are being promoted there !!! If Obama goes along with them, then the world can lead to a global nuclear war !! ! But he is still weak in his knees, and Mackain is not yet in power and is unlikely to be !!!
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    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 14 February 2014 16: 52
      +34
      Okay so!

      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 14 February 2014 17: 22
        +9
        Thanks for the map. You "+". Only sad thoughts. I don't remember when Petya and Kuzya were put together like that, plus support ships. War for the liberation of Ukraine? Are we buying salt, matches?
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 14 February 2014 19: 07
          +18
          Quote: dr.star75
          Salt, do we buy matches?


          ... for those who wore shoulder straps and did not shy away from it, the "alarming suitcase" always should be. collected ... just for every fireman ... bully
          After Sochi2014, hands will be free ... and it looks like someone will follow TsU ...
          But seriously, I think the GDP and the chairman of Xi in Sochi at the meeting decided ... Well, how much can you really?
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 14 February 2014 19: 19
            +9
            If anything, I tr. already gathered for the whole family. Most likely these are nerves, but all right, just in case. By the way, I'm an RA officer.
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 14 February 2014 20: 55
              +7
              And in ancient Egypt, Ra was the supreme god ...
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 14 February 2014 21: 21
                +1
                If this is important for you, then you can podikuyut ..
              2. biglow
                biglow 14 February 2014 21: 37
                +1
                Quote: Basarev
                And in ancient Egypt, Ra was the supreme god ...

                in Russia there was Radosvet, they wrote the same RA
              3. vlad.svargin
                vlad.svargin 15 February 2014 09: 16
                0
                Basarev (3)
                And in ancient Egypt, Ra was the supreme god ...

                And not only in ancient Egypt, but also in ancient Russia ...!
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 14 February 2014 22: 00
            +2
            Quote: Rus2012
            Well, how much can you really?

            - what can you do? Suffer terror attacks from the Saudis? Tolerate interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine? Tolerate threats against Syria? What exactly is it possible?
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 15 February 2014 13: 32
              +1
              Quote: aksakal
              what can you do? Suffer terror attacks from the Saudis? Tolerate interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine? Tolerate threats against Syria? What exactly is it possible?

              ... all of this in total and individually.
              Any thread and even a rope have a tensile strength.

              Even this is not the main thing - the main thing is that the Anglo-Saxons have played with the "typewriter" and have long crossed the line of what is permissible, as a result of which the whole world is on the ears ...
              VVP and Si, with the filing of "the reasonable of this world" - in Sochi they say they came to the conclusion that "It's time!"
          3. Criceta
            Criceta 14 February 2014 23: 29
            +1
            Quote: Rus2012
            the "disturbing suitcase" should always be. collected ...

            Intrigued. And what kind of "disturbing suitcase" is this? And what do those who wore shoulder straps put in it and did not shy away from it? AND?
          4. VADEL
            VADEL 15 February 2014 01: 39
            0
            Quote: Rus2012
            ... for those who wore shoulder straps and did not shy away from it, the "alarming suitcase" always should be. collected ... just for every fireman ...

            Children in what "suitcase" will you put BT or MT? If you don’t know, then make “alarm bags” for the children too, sew up the “metrics”, explain (to the children) who they are and from where. Until the 70s, I was woken up by the program "SEARCH" or "SEARCH" from the Second World War. HEAVY. I still remember.
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 14 February 2014 19: 00
        +5
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Okay so!

        For the card +!
        A certain parity of forces is visible on it ..
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 14 February 2014 19: 46
          0
          Umm ... this is not yet indicated there. Russian Navy submarines laughing And so a little more power.
          1. Foxmara
            Foxmara 14 February 2014 21: 38
            +1
            But how many interesting ships did Iran send to the shores of the United States?
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 15 February 2014 02: 01
              +1
              One frigate and one supply ship.
              1. demel2
                demel2 15 February 2014 09: 26
                +1
                White fluffy animal to the Americans.
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 15 February 2014 13: 35
          0
          Quote: GSH-18
          some power parity ..

          Turn on airplanes at NATO bases
          Silenok is enough only for the first blow, then we smoke bamboo
      3. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 14 February 2014 20: 15
        +11
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Okay so!


        Here it is the main hornet's nest .. If we stand once again the praise of Russia will be ..! Most countries look to Russia with hope and the only one in our Navy who is not afraid to oppose this armored AUG! God bless the Russian Fleet!
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 14 February 2014 22: 37
          +6
          Quote: MIKHAN
          our Navy is the only one who is not afraid to withstand this armada AUG

          And the AUG would not hurt us, to put it mildly. According to some reports, design work on the first Russian Aircraft Carrier (not to be confused with TAKR!) And escort ships are now in full swing. Naturally, all details are classified. It is known that the Aircraft Carrier will carry a full-fledged air group (multi-purpose aircraft, including AWACS) 60-70 aircraft! The main strike air group is the marine version of the T-50. Let the day of approaching the target water area of ​​the Russian AUG approach! Imagine how much the State Department’s point is squeezed! How much squealing and snot! lol
      4. hrych
        hrych 14 February 2014 21: 56
        +7
        Over the past 3 thousand years, nothing has changed, from the Battle of Kadash, the Salamin battle, the Punic Wars, Ushakov’s campaigns, etc. It is very good that Russia can afford to insert such a powerful piercing into this navel of the Earth.
      5. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 14 February 2014 23: 53
        +1
        Apparently the straits decided to cover: Gibraltar, Suez, Bosphorus. With such a video group, this is possible. Well, the conclusions from here are relevant ...
      6. Artyom
        Artyom 15 February 2014 00: 36
        +1
        if you look closely, then OURS are bypassed from the northern flank, and given that it seems like Egypt is turning to face us again, there is only one pindos maneuver, back back. And by the way, where are the Chinese? It seems like they were lit up too!
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 14 February 2014 17: 49
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      They are building up the group and not without reason seeing .. Obama is again threatened! All the bastards will not calm down!


      The fact that there is nuclear weapons on board will neutralize any aggressive actions against this compound.
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 February 2014 18: 50
      +7
      Quote: MIKHAN
      They are building up the group and not without reason seeing .. Obama is again threatened! All the bastards will not calm down!

      It seems that this time we are already threatening ...
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 14 February 2014 19: 16
        +3
        ETOGES ktozh here so minuscule appeared? Minusonul justify.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 14 February 2014 19: 47
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          ETOGES ktozh here so minuscule appeared? Minusonul justify.

          It minus me .. bully I put you a plus .. (you better not comment on me .. hehe)
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 14 February 2014 20: 49
            +2
            Quote: MIKHAN
            It's minus me .. bully I put you a plus .. (you better not comment on me .. hehe)

            This I realized that the "drin" is not your doing. Thank you for your support +
      2. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 15 February 2014 10: 16
        0
        Let me correct you a little: we do not threaten, but warn you (feel the difference). Although these guys with an "awl in the ass" would have to shove something like "lemon" in the ass! And then they dispersed ... And on business you are a plus!
    5. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 15 February 2014 09: 52
      0
      This Ph.D. they say sent his ships to the coast of Syria.
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 15 February 2014 13: 06
        +1
         MIHAN  Yesterday, 14:38

        They are building up the group and not without reason seeing .. Obama is again threatened! All the bastards will not calm down!

        Quote: Max_Bauder

        Max_Bauder
        (1)

        Today, 09: 52

        ↑ ↓


        This Ph.D. they say sent his ships to the coast of Syria.
  2. Duke
    Duke 14 February 2014 14: 41
    +20
    We return former power. Glory to the Russian fleet!
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 14 February 2014 16: 22
      +16
      Quote: Duke
      We return former power. Glory to the Russian fleet!

      You are right.
      Since 2015, the Russian fleet will resume its permanent presence in the Mediterranean Sea, a source in the General Staff told ITAR-TASS. The solution was worked out during the largest naval exercises in recent decades, held from January 19 to 29 (last year) in the waters of the Black and Mediterranean Seas. For the last time, a naval squadron of ships navigated on this territory during the Cold War. Service in this region will fall on the shoulders of the Black Sea Fleet. So there’s nothing new in this event, it’s a well-forgotten old good Remember how all the media in the West were noisy about the resumption of patrolling by our strategists, our nuclear submarines off the coast of the United States, everything is back to square one.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 14 February 2014 18: 07
        +11
        Quote: Sirocco
        For the last time, a naval squadron of ships navigated on this territory during the Cold War.

        In the fleet from the 1973 year. Six combat in the Mediterranean until the 1982 year. Until the collapse of the Union, I do not remember that the 5 OpESk Navy, and then the 5 flotilla, would conduct military operations on this theater. If I missed something, tell me: maybe you are right ... Secondly, the ships lead the database in the water area.
        Quote: Sirocco
        Service in this region will fall on the shoulders of the Black Sea Fleet.

        This Operational Formation of the Navy is being formed on the basis of ships of the Northern Fleet, BF, Black Sea Fleet, and now (not from a good life) they began to attract the ships of the Pacific Fleet. Previously, the headquarters of the OpEsk was mainly formed from the officers of the Black Sea Fleet, but in the "grain years of the dawn of stagnation" it was formed from the ships of 3 fleets.
        1. arane
          arane 14 February 2014 20: 12
          +1
          Strongly agree! Some confuse the maintenance of the database and BS as part of OpEsk.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 15 February 2014 01: 09
          0
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Last time fighting on this territory, the naval squadron of ships conducted during the Cold War.

          Training activities.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Service in this region will fall on the shoulders of the Black Sea Fleet.

          Beginning С 15 years, the Black Sea Fleet is expected to replenish, and I didn’t come up with it. I want to believe that it will be so.
    2. alexdol
      alexdol 14 February 2014 20: 27
      +1
      Duke SU "Returning the former power. Glory to the Russian fleet!"
      -------------------------------------------------- ------
      I join your words, and besides this I want to offer everyone my verse on the Russian Navy, here is a link to it:
      http://www.stihi.ru/2009/08/09/1370
      1. Duke
        Duke 15 February 2014 17: 21
        +1
        Thanks Alexander
        Ivan Aivazovsky, 1892
        battle brig Mercury
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 15 February 2014 20: 12
          0
          And to you, Dmitry, thank you for not being indifferent! If I could, I would also post a similar picture about the battle of the brig "Mercury". I grew up in Crimea, finished school in Feodosia, so I am familiar with the paintings of Aivazovsky. And besides, as a child I had a book, a thin one, dedicated to this fight. She left an indelible impression on my whole life, so when poems came to me, I really wanted to somehow reflect this event in a poem. You have already read what happened, and, of course, I am glad if you liked it ...
  3. seller trucks
    seller trucks 14 February 2014 14: 43
    +21
    The operational compound assembled in the Mediterranean is the strongest in the Navy in the composition of the shock forces.


    oh, it’s not simple, it’s: “Listen, something I don’t like here. My heart feels that we are on the eve of a grand schucher "(c)
    1. RUS96
      RUS96 14 February 2014 15: 08
      +20
      After the Olympics we will see.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 February 2014 19: 12
      +15
      Quote: seller trucks
      oh, it’s not simple, it’s: “Listen, something I don’t like here. My heart feels that we are on the eve of a grand schucher "(c)

      What a fool, dear ?? What are you speaking about?
      It’s just that Sochi is in the winter Olympics, and there’s riots in Ukraine.
      The standard actions of the Russian fleet, speaking eloquently, all sit on the ass smoothly, and chew ties only on command.
      1. SV
        SV 14 February 2014 21: 31
        +3
        all sit on the ass smoothly, and chew ties only on command.


        good good lol
      2. sscha
        sscha 14 February 2014 22: 00
        +2
        Ties to chew ..... Something familiar picture !!! laughing hi
  4. major071
    major071 14 February 2014 14: 45
    +5
    Still a couple of such compounds! Yes, more, more! good
  5. alexng
    alexng 14 February 2014 14: 45
    +3
    The Yankees are banging again. Probably it's time to kick these impudent guys on the brazen red jackal's face. And then declare: "sorry .., we accidentally .. we didn't want to .., it happened .. we just mistaken you for terrorists."
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 14 February 2014 17: 50
      +11
      Quote: alexneg
      Again the Yankees are buzzing. Perhaps it is time for these insolents to press on the face insolent with a red-headed jackal.



      As small children, honestly ... What will you "slap" - what will you? Caps? "Not allow" - we can, "slap" - there is nothing yet ...
      1. max73
        max73 14 February 2014 19: 17
        +6
        I agree, comrade. "small children" here - a wagon with a cart in an embrace ... of a variety of stripes) let them play, because there is no sense from them all) as my commander said - BMP
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 14 February 2014 19: 26
          +8
          Keep on 100% Semyon Semyonych и max73
          Room soldiers are eager for battle! lol "Klava" smokes, the monitor jumps! laughing
          1. arane
            arane 14 February 2014 21: 02
            +3
            I support. So many potential chiefs of the General Staff of the Navy .....
      2. Foxmara
        Foxmara 14 February 2014 21: 47
        +3
        That is what to give. If they catch our anti-ship missiles, then only on board)) They can't even shoot down subsonic missiles. What to do next? This is a war, whatever one may say. Now, if one boat is "accidentally" submerged and pretends that it has nothing to do with it - that's all right. And then ...
        Some here wrote that we only know how to throw hats and throw. But if you recall Vietnam, then there, with pure caps, probably 2000 planes were shot down? Having driven the USA into a deep depression.
        What am I doing? And there is something to beat, but the answer is tormenting. This is not our method))
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 14 February 2014 22: 09
          0
          Quote: Foxmara
          Some here wrote that we only know how to throw hats and throw. But if you recall Vietnam, then there, with pure caps, probably 2000 planes were shot down? Having driven the USA into a deep depression.


          What does Vietnam have to do with it? The capabilities of the USSR and today's Russia are not comparable. I'm not talking about the quality of technology, but about its negligible amount. And yes. If there was a target designation for our RCC ...
      3. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 15 February 2014 10: 26
        0
        As one of the characters said: "War is a serious matter and you cannot trust the military!" Yes, these are steps of a military-political nature to cool the "hotheads" in some headquarters. And it is also a signal that Russia will not bend over to anyone else. Syria and Ukraine will not be given up to be torn apart by these freaks!
      4. alexng
        alexng 17 February 2014 00: 17
        0
        And what happened to ov missiles in the Mediterranean? Do not know? USkala is still scratching turnips. They have already been saved once from shame in Syria. I think this will not happen again and nobody will be able to catch the failures with their flying games. Yes, and the lie bubble gave a leak and now it is blown away. So your idols are a regular prop zilch.
    2. sscha
      sscha 14 February 2014 22: 02
      0
      Type as they have now in Afghanistan ...
      We came under "friendly fire"! laughing hi
  6. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 14 February 2014 14: 46
    +3
    Nifa behold! We have collected the "wolfhounds". Seeing something is being started. God forbid, of course.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 14 February 2014 16: 41
      -11%
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      Collected "wolfhounds". Seeing something is being started. God forbid, of course.

      Dear, what kind of wars can be ?! request

      16 ships, including tugs - amusing and ostentatious squadron. We collected everything that could move away from the mooring wall, most of it - 30 summer BDKs without weapons

      The only attack ship - TARKR "Peter the Great"

      The aircraft carrier "Kuznetsov" with eight Su-33 aircraft ... as a combat unit it does not exist

      BOD "Admiral Levchenko" is a large anti-submarine ship 30 years old. It has no strike weapons (as well as a full-fledged air defense system)

      Such a "squadron" (ugh!) Will destroy the fleet of any European country
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 14 February 2014 17: 36
        +10
        Such a "squadron" (ugh!) Will destroy the fleet of any European country
        No. Well, you are in vain, only Petya can bend both the fleet and the country of the European ... and the BDK does not know what they store in themselves, maybe "clubs"? wink
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 14 February 2014 17: 45
          -13%
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          and the BDK does not know what they store in themselves, maybe "clubs"?

          No, there’s an army of captured migrant workers and kilotons of confiscated drugs - the region is terrified ...
        2. teascher
          teascher 14 February 2014 17: 47
          +4
          What is it that Peter the Great can bend the European country -20 Granites and Fort?
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 14 February 2014 18: 06
            -1
            Of course not, "Petya" cannot bend the EU. 20 granites. He can bend any country in the world with poplars laughing
            1. teascher
              teascher 14 February 2014 19: 05
              +7
              There is no Peter the Great, it never was, and in principle cannot be Topol.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 14 February 2014 19: 27
                +3
                There is a Russian flag on "Pete". If anyone "scratches" will deal with "poplars"
                1. Know-nothing
                  Know-nothing 14 February 2014 19: 33
                  -1
                  So it will be "she drowned" # 2.
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 14 February 2014 19: 51
                    +6
                    Will not! Look at the budget of MO then and now. Respect to Putin that he did not start a nuclear war. Then you have endured it, now try it!
                    1. Pilat2009
                      Pilat2009 15 February 2014 21: 35
                      -1
                      Quote: dr.star75
                      Respect for Putin that he did not start a nuclear war

                      Yes, and now he will not untie. They got already with their poplars.
                      Yao-weapon of last hope. Until the enemy uses it in a local conflict, no one will use it, because then there will be a new Hague tribunal and all bank accounts of the elite will be frozen
              2. dr.star75
                dr.star75 14 February 2014 20: 49
                -1
                Thank you, I am in the subject, THAT THIS is not his weaponry.
            2. GSH-18
              GSH-18 14 February 2014 19: 31
              +6
              Quote: dr.star75
              Of course not, "Petya" cannot bend e.s. 20 granites. He can bend any country in the world with poplars laughing

              Insanity grew stronger! ... belay
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 14 February 2014 19: 44
                -1
                Facts in the studio fool
            3. rumpeljschtizhen
              rumpeljschtizhen 14 February 2014 19: 47
              +2
              NO granites on it for a long time
              1. skiff-xnumx
                skiff-xnumx 15 February 2014 01: 11
                +1
                Precisely on Peter there are granites. And who told you that on Kuznetsovo they are not. Or do they carry hands?
          2. little man
            little man 15 February 2014 12: 31
            -1
            Yes, finally, some kind of parade and banter of dumplings!
            Oleg razminusili and justify some kind of nonsense
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          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 14 February 2014 18: 15
            -5
            It will be necessary to pump. But he doesn’t need it. He has only the flag of the Russian Federation. It provides protection.
          2. Army1
            Army1 14 February 2014 23: 03
            +1
            Our squadron, at least, will not be broken, if there are powerful anti-ship missiles and air defense systems + there is not one submarine there, the new lotus space system can already give target designations, so any enemy fleet, I repeat, any will go under water.
        4. Foxmara
          Foxmara 14 February 2014 21: 51
          0
          Recently, the BDK has been regularly supplying the Syrians with something that peace ships cannot carry.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 14 February 2014 18: 24
        +18
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Such a "squadron" (ugh!) Will destroy the fleet of any European country

        Oleg! When the "Kiev" was pursuing the SSBN (presumably YuSerov) and a French frigate stood across its course with a message that it did not guarantee the safety of the aircraft. And then he received in response: "My safety is guaranteed by the entire might of the Soviet Union!" "Khrantsosishka" was blown away by the wind, although the sea was 2-3 points. I suppose not a single European country will want the answer prepared for it in the event of an attack by the ships of the squadron.
        But you are right: I would like to see more ships, the newest and with all the "accessories" of modern NK. But for now "we have what we have, so that we will not be raped" (c).
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 14 February 2014 19: 37
          +3
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          But you are right: I would like to see more ships, the newest and with all the "accessories" of modern NK. But for now "we have what we have, so that we will not be raped" (c).

          I completely agree with this. We really need modern surface naval formations and preferably aircraft carriers! yes
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 14 February 2014 20: 24
          0
          I understood you correctly that the European squadron left at the mention of the Black Sea Fleet
      3. i.xxx-1971
        i.xxx-1971 14 February 2014 18: 33
        0
        Ass they crack.
      4. Alex Nick
        Alex Nick 14 February 2014 19: 13
        -3
        "Such a" squadron "(ugh!) Will be smashed by the fleet of any European country." I doubt it hurts. They forgot about Engels.
        1. Angro Magno
          Angro Magno 15 February 2014 00: 18
          0
          Harya will crack.
      5. Rus2012
        Rus2012 14 February 2014 19: 14
        +2
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Such a "squadron" (ugh!) Will destroy the fleet of any European country

        ...possibly...
        But what will follow?
        We must also calculate the following moves ...
        Moreover, GDP and X in this case do not play chess ...
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 14 February 2014 19: 41
          -1
          Quote: Rus2012
          But what will follow?

          Memorial service and fermentation on the Internet
          As after the death of Kursk
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 14 February 2014 19: 59
            0
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Memorial service and fermentation on the Internet

            ... I don’t think that you will do it personally ...
            bully
          2. Angro Magno
            Angro Magno 15 February 2014 00: 22
            0
            Start the funeral service now. Do not waste your time. Then you will say that you are ahead of everyone.
        2. rumpeljschtizhen
          rumpeljschtizhen 14 February 2014 19: 58
          -7
          Nothing will follow ... and the military value of this squadron is also represented by our Partners ..... it is more for our cheers patriots .... here they say they collected some grouping ... from what is kept on the water
      6. rumpeljschtizhen
        rumpeljschtizhen 14 February 2014 19: 46
        +1
        I totally agree SWEET_SIXTEEN if so many pennants then a lot. but actually a funny squadron
        1. SkiF_RnD
          SkiF_RnD 14 February 2014 22: 28
          0
          If the NATO troops open fire on the ships of the Russian Navy, what will not happen?

          fool
          1. rumpeljschtizhen
            rumpeljschtizhen 14 February 2014 22: 39
            +2
            why should they open fire on our ships ?????????? Our ships will not do anything if NATO opens fire on anyone it NEEDS !!!!
        2. Tektor
          Tektor 14 February 2014 22: 40
          +1
          I fully agree SWEET_SIXTEEN if there aren’t many pennants, but actually a funny squadron
          Take your time: do not know the ford - do not poke into the water. What is Kuzya and Petya covering up there? That's the same. In addition to the Granites, Petit has 48 SAM 48N6E2 missiles capable of throwing 180 kg warheads that maneuver with an overload of up to 20g at a maximum speed of 6,6 M (2,1 km / s) for a range of about 400 km ... Imagine a special warhead instead ... any squadron may not even have memories: just one rocket ...
          1. rumpeljschtizhen
            rumpeljschtizhen 14 February 2014 22: 46
            +1
            You waved sorry for the expression Tektor Kuzya is a nominally combat unit ... you are trying to attribute to a vessel of 50-60 thousand tons a displacement of the air defense function of a frigate ... funny
            there is no air wing ... everything else .. this is profonation and so you don’t think there
            1. Tektor
              Tektor 14 February 2014 23: 16
              +3
              Kuzya is a nominally combat unit ... you are trying to attribute to a vessel of 50-60 thousand tons a displacement of the air defense function of a frigate ... funny
              there is no air wing ... everything else .. this is profonation and so you don’t think there
              I do not understand: 192 SAM 9M330-2 Not able to provide defense of the warrant? And also 256 SAM 3M311-1 in addition and Su-33 as over-the-horizon radars: 4 in a circle provide a radius of a continuous radar field of 250 km!
              1. rumpeljschtizhen
                rumpeljschtizhen 14 February 2014 23: 45
                0
                Tektor Dear, and now you are about the arming of the flying cruiser a. Kuznetsov write?
                which of you listed is on it.
                or about the squadron as a whole
              2. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 15 February 2014 02: 09
                +2
                Quote: Tektor
                and Su-33 as over-the-horizon radars:

                You at least understand that you write complete nonsense
                1. Tektor
                  Tektor 15 February 2014 14: 40
                  -1
                  It will not be funny at all if there is a four MiG-29K.
      7. Serg65
        Serg65 15 February 2014 09: 43
        +6
        [quote = SWEET_SIXTEEN] [quote = dmitrij.blyuz] [quote] [/ quote]

        Such a "squadron" (ugh!) Will smash the fleet of any European country [/ quote]
        I understand that you at least graduated from the Academy of the General Staff? Or did you spend half your life on boxes? Having shown us the performance characteristics of Russian ships, you somehow missed the fact that at the end of the article it is written in small print ".. a nuclear submarine made a breakthrough ..". The presence of even one nuclear submarine in the operational area induces shaking on the finger reaching for the "Start" button. Anticipating your cries that one is not a warrior in the field, I dare to remind you of the curious cases involving K-324, K-314, K-524 in relation to the fleets of your so beloved states. I do not even mention the operation "Aport", "Atrina". You are so well informed about the weapons and combat capabilities of our ships, you probably read a lot of books? Books are correct, this is good, but you should not draw strategic conclusions and conclusions based on what you read! soldier
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 15 February 2014 15: 56
          0
          Quote: Serg65
          The presence of even one nuclear submarine in the operational area induces shaking on the finger reaching for the "Start" button

          NATO will bomb anyone who needs, despite the presence of Russian ships
          As it was in 1999, when the Kursk was in Mediterranean, from which the American AUG allegedly could not break away

          (doubly funny - the AUGs practically did not participate in that war, the only "Roosevelt" at first hid in the Red Sea, then passed through Suez and arrived in the Adriatic only on the 12th day of the war)
          Quote: Serg65
          Anticipating your screams that one in the field is not a warrior

          You won’t get any screams from me. I have enough facts

          In the event of a major war, any Russian nuclear submarine in Middle-earth will be destroyed by European and Israeli submarines - they have less noise in 10 times.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 17 February 2014 08: 39
            +3
            My dear, this is not 1999! Something NATO members did not dare to bomb Syria, although the desire was already off scale. Well, in the event of a major war, the Europeans and Israelis will not have time to chase the Russian nuclear submarine, there will be plenty of other problems! And if we take into account that each ship is designed for a certain time of the battle, then the same nuclear submarine, having fired its missiles, as it is not regrettable, becomes a target. The same KRC "Slava" (I can't get used to the name "Moscow") is designed for 30 minutes of active combat, and in 30 minutes, it will heap things up ... Mom, don't cry!
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 14 February 2014 14: 47
    +1
    I wonder what the real goals and objectives of this grouping are.
    1. askort154
      askort154 14 February 2014 15: 04
      +22
      The same LYOKHA ... I wonder what the real goals and objectives of this group are.

      Two goals are possible:
      - at the meeting, Obama and Holland again talked about a possible Syrian force solution
      a question;
      - in case of a big "mess" for Ukraine, block the approaches to the Black Sea.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 14 February 2014 15: 41
        +3
        Quote: askort154
        - at the meeting, Obama and Holland again talked about a possible Syrian force solution

        When Clinton and Monica managed the whole world, he turned the arrows to Serbia. These two also have a snout in the cannon. Do not detach in a good way, bastards.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 14 February 2014 19: 18
          +1
          Quote: samoletil18
          Do not detach in a good way, bastards.

          It will be bad ...
      2. ATATA
        ATATA 14 February 2014 15: 59
        +3
        Quote: askort154
        - in case of a big "mess" for Ukraine, block the approaches to the Black Sea.

        Russia can block ANY strait on the globe without sending ships at all.
        I do not think that the United States will send landing ships to Ukraine through the Dardanelles.
        They have for this and Romania and Slovakia and Hungary.
        The reason is different ...
        1. askort154
          askort154 14 February 2014 16: 42
          +3
          ATATA ... I don’t think that the US will send landing ships to Ukraine via the Dardanelles. They have Romania and Slovakia and Hungary for this.

          And the Turkish fleet (NATO) will be unlimited in the Black Sea ?! Our Sevastopol alone (now) cannot cope with them. And when, under the belly of Turkey, it will "roam"
          our squadron, the Turks will not poke neither in Sevastopol, nor in the Crimea!
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 14 February 2014 17: 30
            +14
            I think Turkey is already acting as a member of the Customs Union (in perspective). Turks will not go anywhere. By the way, in 080808 Turkey did not miss amers.
            1. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 14 February 2014 17: 52
              +2
              Quote: dr.star75
              I think Turkey is already acting as a member of the Customs Union (in perspective). Turks will not go anywhere. By the way, in 080808 Turkey did not miss amers.


              Drink honey with your mouth ... well, or something stronger drinks
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 14 February 2014 18: 29
                +1
                Only moonshine! drinks I believe that Turkey will operate in our channel
              2. Foxmara
                Foxmara 14 February 2014 21: 59
                +1
                The Turks are highly dependent on us. It is worth blocking / covering something and the economic akhtung will begin. Yes, the "allies" showed Erdogan what they are worth during the performances on Tahrir. And how is there, "and now compare the soldiers, where is Moscow, and where is Baghdad"
          2. Rus2012
            Rus2012 14 February 2014 19: 20
            +1
            Quote: askort154
            And when, under the belly of Turkey, it will "roam"

            Turks will NOT pull the strap of Nat’s interests ... laughing
        2. tungus
          tungus 14 February 2014 21: 29
          +4
          Quote: ATATA
          Russia can block ANY strait on the globe without sending ships at all.

          I will tell you more. Russia can CREATE a strait almost anywhere in the world. For example, between Canada and Mexico.
          1. shuhartred
            shuhartred 15 February 2014 03: 57
            +1
            Quote: tungus
            Quote: ATATA
            Russia can block ANY strait on the globe without sending ships at all.

            I will tell you more. Russia can CREATE a strait almost anywhere in the world. For example, between Canada and Mexico.

            Only on the map this strait will not be applied very soon. And not the fact that people.
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 14 February 2014 19: 18
        0
        Quote: askort154
        - in case of a big "mess" for Ukraine, block the approaches to the Black Sea.

        ... see the root!
      4. Rus2012
        Rus2012 14 February 2014 20: 04
        +1
        Quote: askort154
        at the meeting, Obama and Oland again talked about a possible forceful solution to the Syrian issue;

        about this is unlikely ...
        For they know the conditions for the chemical disarmament of Syria -
        Assad said that he gives up chemical weapons only under Russia's guarantees. It must be understood, including under the guarantees of a nuclear umbrella ...
        He also said that in cases of intervention, Russian soldiers would stand here ...
    2. arane
      arane 14 February 2014 15: 33
      +1
      I hope they are not voiced here ....
      We will guess
    3. dr.star75
      dr.star75 14 February 2014 18: 24
      -1
      Everyone takes revenge on himself as a strategist, seeing the battle from the outside! It is clear that few people know the strategy, but did they gather Petya and Kuzya together? Did they close the entrance to the Turkish straits? Salt, do we buy matches?
  8. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2014 14: 51
    +10
    The operational force assembled in the Mediterranean is today the strongest in the Navy in terms of the composition of its strike forces, including nuclear weapons.

    Fell under the table ... the Soviet-and then the Russian-American agreement on the non-deployment of tactical nuclear weapons on the ships of the USA and the Russian Federation has been valid for more than 20 years. The author of the article slept through these 20 years in suspended animation, or does he believe that STRATEGIC nuclear missiles are on TAVKR or TARKR? wassat
    The soldiers on our ships in the Mediterranean - honor and respect and the wish of every success.
    the heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Peter the Great, the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov, the large anti-submarine ship Admiral Levchenko

    It looks like it's time for our Northern Fleet to change its name to "Northern Mediterranean Fleet" drinks
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 14 February 2014 15: 18
      +5
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      It is time for the Northern Fleet to change its name to "Northern Mediterranean Fleet"

      + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
      Or the World Ocean Fleet. good
    2. arane
      arane 14 February 2014 15: 36
      +7
      All is correct. Only one moment. The Mediterranean has always been the area of ​​responsibility of the Northern Fleet! And not only the middle-earth ....
    3. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 14 February 2014 15: 50
      +5
      Fell under the table ... the Soviet-and then the Russian-American agreement on the non-deployment of tactical nuclear weapons on the ships of the USA and the Russian Federation has been valid for more than 20 years. The author of the article slept through these 20 years in suspended animation, or does he believe that STRATEGIC nuclear missiles are on TAVKR or TARKR?

      Learn to read the articles to the end and carefully.
      It is noteworthy that the 15 of January Gibraltar was forced by three warships and a naval support vessel with two tactical groups. It is possible that under the cover of the first tactical group led by the cruiser Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov, it made a breakthrough into the Mediterranean Sea and a nuclear submarine of the Northern Fleet.

      hi
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2014 16: 17
        +6
        Quote: Gomunkul
        Learn to read the articles to the end and carefully.

        Aw, thanks, they didn’t let me die an old fool.
        It is possible that under the cover of the first tactical group led by the cruiser "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" made a breakthrough into the Mediterranean Sea and the Northern Fleet's nuclear missile submarine

        Not excluded. Only now, no one will ever drag a strategic missile submarine into any middle-earth (if only because he has absolutely nothing to do there) and the mentioned nuclear missile submarine, or rather, an atomic submarine with cruise missiles, is Antey. On which there is no nuclear weapons too
        1. 1c-inform-city
          1c-inform-city 14 February 2014 17: 59
          +3
          It seems to me that the agreement on nuclear weapons on ships did not concern submarines. And Antei can carry missiles with nuclear warheads.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 14 February 2014 19: 55
            +3
            Quote: 1c-inform-city
            It seems to me that the agreement on nuclear weapons on ships did not concern submarines

            By itself!
            ... moreover, regarding nuclear weapons - there is only an international Treaty on the Non-Placement of ICBMs!

            As for TNW, that is, a mention -
            For more than twenty years, the Russian-American agreement has been in force on the non-deployment of tactical nuclear weapons on ships of the USA and the USSR, and then Russia. True, the agreement is gentlemanly., that is, not formally executed in the form of a treaty and not ratified by the parties. However, neither the United States nor Russia have ever been seen in violation of its provisions. This is a common practice in international relations. For example, the Soviet-American Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, the OSV-2, was also not officially ratified, that is, it did not have legal force, but was strictly observed on a voluntary basis.
            It is known that it’s not very difficult to get out even of a contract that is executed absolutely in accordance with all the rules. It is enough to notify the other side of your intention in six months. This is what the United States did when it decided not to comply with the provisions of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. Gentlemen's agreements do not have such a regulation. In other words, each of the parties is free to violate the agreement at its discretion at a convenient time for it ...

            Warhead "Granita" - penetrating 518-750 kg, conventional explosive or nuclear, up to 500 kt. The ratio of OVV / NABC in 60xx was: 1: 5, 1: 4 or 1: 1
            Moreover, the nuclear warhead is placed on some "Fort" / "Fort-M"
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2014 20: 34
            +1
            Quote: 1c-inform-city
            It seems to me that the agreement on nuclear weapons on ships did not concern submarines

            it was a ban on the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons on ships. Carrier (surface / underwater / deck aircraft) - does not play a role
        2. arane
          arane 14 February 2014 21: 17
          +2
          Where did you get the idea that no? And why only rockets? And why is it necessary to "antey"?
          And most importantly, what is the use of nuclear warheads? This is a universal high-quality kirdyk!
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2014 23: 08
            +1
            Quote: arane
            What makes you think that no?

            Since the agreement we have with the Americans
            Quote: arane
            And why only rockets?

            Why rockets - what?
            Quote: arane
            And why is it necessary to "antey"?

            Because Severodvinsk just didn’t go, and besides him there is only the 949 project submarine
            Quote: arane
            And most importantly, what is the use of nuclear warheads?

            This is not a question for me
        3. skiff-xnumx
          skiff-xnumx 15 February 2014 01: 20
          +1
          Maybe it’s anthei. The agreement applies only to NK but not as no pl.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 February 2014 17: 42
            +1
            And I repeat to you once again - you are mistaken.
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    5. Tektor
      Tektor 15 February 2014 14: 45
      +1
      Fell under the table ... the Soviet-and then the Russian-American agreement on the non-deployment of tactical nuclear weapons on the ships of the USA and the Russian Federation has been valid for more than 20 years. The author of the article slept through these 20 years in suspended animation, or does he believe that STRATEGIC nuclear missiles are on TAVKR or TARKR?

      Hey hey? There, under the table: who will let Petya out without the special BG? Do not believe? Go check it out. Bring a couple of fake felts from NATA.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 15 February 2014 21: 09
        +1
        Quote: Tektor
        But who will release Petya without special BG? Do not believe? Go check it out.

        ... this is from the category of interchangeable "zero PZ" on ICBMs of the widely advertised EBN: "now our nuclear missiles are not aimed at anyone!"
        laughing
        With 3,14ndos Mona, as you like, "zhentelmensky" to agree on tactical nuclear weapons too ...
        Indeed, go and check if even an ordinary "gunsmith" of the warhead does not know the composition and number of special combat units ... and what is loaded on the ship
        laughing
        O5e one statement of EBN to me very well: "we will destroy our nuclear stockpiles together with America" ​​...
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 February 2014 23: 55
          +2
          Quote: Rus2012
          Indeed, go and check if even an ordinary "gunsmith" of the warhead does not know the composition and number of special combat units ... and what is loaded on the ship

          The gunsmith doesn’t know, but the Internet guy knows everything where the gunsmith is ...
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      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 February 2014 23: 54
        +1
        Quote: Tektor
        Hey hey? There under the table: but who will let Petya out without the special BG?

        And then fantasy came to mind, where Tolkien
        My dear man, before sitting down at the keyboard, it would not hurt to turn on the gray matter. If anyone benefits from the removal of nuclear weapons from ships, it’s the Russian Federation. Because otherwise, on completely legitimate grounds, the same American Los Angeles could drop in to us in Barentsovo or there to Vladivostok closer to the nuclear weapons on board. In the same way as the AUG, they would also drag tactical nuclearbatons for their aircraft. In this case, if something had happened, nuclear weapons would have been aimed at us much more than we have for America, because we have only traditions left from the fleet, but the Yankees have bulk ships.
  9. moremansf
    moremansf 14 February 2014 14: 54
    +18
    REFERENCE:
    Earlier in the Mediterranean, the 5 Naval Operations Squadron was based.
    Organizationally, the structure of the 5-th operational squadron included 6 operational connections:
    50-e - control ship with guard ships
    51-e - submarines (6-8 and more units)
    52-e - shock rocket-artillery ships
    53-e - anti-submarine ships
    54-e - landing ships
    55-e - support ships.

    In addition, there were a reinforcement group and a group of combat support ships. The command post of the commander and the headquarters of the squadron was located on the flagship (or in the submarine base, provided with the necessary communications and control equipment.
    The squadron was formed on a rotational basis: it consisted of surface and submarine forces of the Northern, Baltic and Black Sea fleets, as well as ships of the Pacific Fleet, performing inter-theater transitions to the Pacific Fleet or vice versa. The basis of the surface component of OPEsk was the forces of the 30-th division of anti-submarine ships of the Black Sea Fleet. The combat service of the division’s ships in the Mediterranean was carried out brigadely: the 21 and 11 brigades served as the basis for the creation of anti-submarine forces, and the 150 and 70 brigades used to create a group of dissimilar strike forces and a group of fire support ships for naval landing landing.
    As a rule, the squadron consisted of 70-80 pennants (up to 30 surface warships, 4-5 nuclear and up to 10 diesel submarines, 1-2 naval tankers, 3-4 marine tankers, minesweeping group ships, integrated supply ships, dry cargo ships, refrigerators, hospital and rescue ships, other). The US Navy in the Mediterranean, represented by the 6 fleet, usually consisted of 30-40 pennants, including 2 aircraft carrier, landing helicopter dock, 2 missile cruisers (1 as the flagship of the fleet), 18-20 cruise ships with guided missiles, destroyers and frigates), 1-2 multipurpose support ships, up to 6 multipurpose nuclear submarines.
    We kept such fleet forces in the Mediterranean. It can not but rejoice that the Naval flag reappeared in the vast expanses of the Mediterranean Sea !!!
    1. arane
      arane 14 February 2014 15: 44
      +10
      Well written! And also I, with the last commander of the 8 operational, I shook hands in the Indian ... there were times, the 7 Atlantic atEsk, the 10 Pacific ... crying
  10. sinukvl
    sinukvl 14 February 2014 15: 04
    +9
    It seems that the matter is not only in Syria, but, as it were, not because of Ukraine (especially since the United States began to transfer "Abramov" to Europe), block the entrance to the Black Sea, and give Turkey a hint if that.
  11. Glaz8000
    Glaz8000 14 February 2014 15: 05
    0
    Tell me what are on board the BDK? And why are there actually 6 of them? A powerful landing operation, or how?
    1. 3935333
      3935333 14 February 2014 15: 12
      +11
      how what are they! "Humanitarian aid", what else can they carry on board! wassat
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 14 February 2014 15: 44
      +6
      BDK run along the route Novorossiysk-Tartus like a minibus. For the period of stay in SM, they are part of the compound.

      Plus 1 BDK works to ensure the export of chemical weapons.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 14 February 2014 18: 36
        0
        Do BDKs work like minibuses, and what do they carry? no one knows? maybe chips? repeat
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2014 20: 37
          +1
          It's just that BDKs are quite strong boats that can go far and long. Due to the catastrophic reduction in the naval staff, due to the lack of BOD, destroyers, cruisers - you have to send them
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 14 February 2014 21: 03
            +1
            I actually pinned.
    3. Foxmara
      Foxmara 14 February 2014 22: 06
      +4
      Syrians are fighting? They are fighting. Including that we did not fight. We carry them to the BDK that we were not going to show anyone. These are tanks and air defense installations and food, all the allies need. Since our BDK began to ply, Assad’s business went uphill, and just before that, the Yankees were already celebrating the victory.
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 February 2014 21: 36
      0
      Quote: Glaz8000
      And why are there actually 6 of them

      And there’s nobody else to send
  12. silver_roman
    silver_roman 14 February 2014 15: 06
    +8
    Of course, "Kuzya and Petya" is strong, but I hope a couple of nuclear submarines plow the depths of the Mediterranean for safety net.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 14 February 2014 15: 13
      +3
      Quote: silver_roman
      Of course, "Kuzya and Petya" is strong, but I hope a couple of nuclear submarines plow the depths of the Mediterranean for safety net.


      Well, what do you say ... atomic then what the hell? this is a multi-purpose dlp job
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 14 February 2014 18: 09
        +1
        Quote: seller trucks
        Quote: silver_roman
        Of course, "Kuzya and Petya" is strong, but I hope a couple of nuclear submarines plow the depths of the Mediterranean for safety net.


        Well, what do you say ... atomic then what the hell? this is a multi-purpose dlp job


        And atomic sounds more solid wink
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 14 February 2014 19: 13
        +8
        Quote: seller trucks
        atomic then what the hell?

        Yes, to hunt for "moose". Well, as a last resort, go to "Ohio" or "Virginia" for an excursion. Well, at worst, to protect the monument to "Peter the Great" from Yuserovskaya's barefoot, or, say, read the book "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union N.G. One can, of course, threaten "D. Eisenhower" with his fist.
        Well, in general, something like that, for the very understanding.
        1. arane
          arane 14 February 2014 19: 35
          +5
          You are my beauty! One of the first Barça buildings.
          Great ship. And "moose" and "ohio" took on them. Only in the ranks are almost gone. Years under repair ....
        2. kostya-petrov
          kostya-petrov 14 February 2014 20: 39
          0
          and what kind of name and project are the nuclear submarines ?!
          1. skiff-xnumx
            skiff-xnumx 15 February 2014 01: 26
            0
            Project 971 "pike-b"
      3. silver_roman
        silver_roman 14 February 2014 19: 28
        +3
        Quote: seller trucks
        Well, what do you say ... atomic then what the hell? this is a multi-purpose dlp job

        Quote: Semyon Semyonich
        And atomic sounds more solid

        it is not a matter of solidity, although no one canceled the demonstration of the flag when the devil floats where they know!
        The submarine is more secretive. It does not require frequent ascent. There are no diesel-electric submarines on the Black Sea, which can now be deflected to this issue. If there was Varshavyanka, one would still think. But all the same, it would burn on the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles. To drive from another fleet is also fawn. The Mediterranean Sea is not small, you can’t sit under water for a long time, and you won’t be able to wash off quickly. The Premier League just right.
        I'm not saying to send a strategic missile carrier there. Someone expressed a sensible idea to send 885 "Ash" there. Let the baptism of fire pass and write down noises in one go.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 15 February 2014 10: 03
          +3
          [Quote] [/ quote]
          [quote = silver_roman] But it would still burn on the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles. Drive with from another fleet - this is also fawn. The Mediterranean Sea is not small, you can’t sit under water for a long time, and you won’t be able to wash off quickly.

          And you, therefore, participated in the posting of diesel-electric submarines through the straits? Do you know the system of special measures to detach submarines from the enemy’s tracking forces?
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 15 February 2014 15: 52
            -1
            unfortunately not, but I’m almost sure that the Turks who control the strait know what passes through them!
            and yes, I'm not a submariner. just sometimes trying to follow the logic!
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 17 February 2014 08: 53
              +3
              Quote: silver_roman
              unfortunately not, but I’m almost sure that the Turks who control the strait know what passes through them!
              and yes, I'm not a submariner. just sometimes trying to follow the logic!


              Logic, a curious thing! But not for the Russians! Ask how many times the Black Sea distillers crossed the straits under the bottom of bulk carriers, tugs, tankers, how sailors with mirrors were built on board so that the adversaries could not photograph our ships, how the Perekop in the Bosphorus crushed the CIA boat under itself.
      4. gispanec
        gispanec 15 February 2014 10: 18
        0
        Quote: seller trucks
        atomic then what the hell? this is a multi-purpose dlp job

        and multi-purpose is no longer a nuclear submarine ?? ... write nonsense ...
    2. dr.star75
      dr.star75 14 February 2014 19: 09
      0
      I really hope not! No in this swamp! Our submarines are where you need to.
  13. Roman_Romanich
    Roman_Romanich 14 February 2014 15: 10
    +8
    It looks like these vultures will still not calm down until they strike in Syria ...
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 14 February 2014 19: 38
      +1
      Well, for now, no matter how much they want it, there is no reason. But rumors were already appearing on the network that they had removed the chemical weapons, but no one had canceled the biological one !!! I won’t be surprised if someone soon launches a racket or projectile with sarin in a residential quarter just in anticipation of UN-sheep visiting Syria.
  14. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 14 February 2014 15: 13
    +8
    It's curious how our North Atlantic "FRIENDS" (their mother) respond to this fact? Probably something like, "The Russians have gathered everything they have in one place."
  15. saag
    saag 14 February 2014 15: 17
    -5
    Demonstration of the flag, nothing more
  16. moremansf
    moremansf 14 February 2014 15: 34
    +3
    THE ENEMY DOES NOT NAP!
    The US aircraft carrier strike group, led by nuclear-powered aircraft carrier George W. Bush, will leave base in Norfolk, Virginia, on Saturday and head for combat duty in the Middle East, the US Navy Command reported.
    According to the US Navy, after the transatlantic transition, the George W. Bush carrier group will also spend some time in the Mediterranean Sea, which is under the responsibility of the Sixth Operational Fleet. The duration of the long hike of the group will be from eight to nine months. In addition to the aircraft carrier, the aircraft carrier strike group includes the Norwegian-based missile destroyer Trakston, as well as the Roosevelt destroyer and the Philippine Sea cruiser, which will set off from their base in Mayport, Florida. According to the staff structure, the group also includes an attack submarine with cruise missiles on board. But the Pentagon traditionally does not report anything about the movements of submarines.
    There are four squadrons of multi-role fighter-bombers, three squadrons of electronic warfare aircraft, early warning radar, transport aircraft, and two helicopter squadrons as part of the George W. Bush carrier-based aviation. In total - about 70 planes and helicopters.
    Last week, three large amphibious assault ships of the U.S. Navy with an expeditionary battalion of the marine corps on board also set off to the Mediterranean, and then to the Persian Gulf. The group is headed by the Bataan universal airborne landing ship.
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 14 February 2014 22: 11
      +1
      In theory, the Chinese should also catch up.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 14 February 2014 22: 19
        +4
        Quote: Foxmara
        In theory, the Chinese should also catch up.

        In fact, they have long been there.
        The exercises with the participation of the Russian Navy's heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Peter the Great" and the Chinese patrol ship "Yancheng" began on January 25 in the Mediterranean, the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry told reporters.
  17. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 14 February 2014 15: 36
    -32%
    The USA has forgotten what kind of battle on the Black Sea was given to the atomic guards cruiser "Moskva" and the atomic cruiser "Peter the Great" to the Georgian military fleet !!!
    How the two of them split their fleet in minutes !!!
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 14 February 2014 17: 04
      +8
      It's funny? then I didn't understand anything. Or are you really not "in the subject?"
    2. teascher
      teascher 14 February 2014 17: 56
      +11
      Atomic - "Moscow" -? Peter the Great - on the Black Sea? to the Georgian fleet -? - probably in a dream or in another reality.
    3. arane
      arane 14 February 2014 19: 42
      +7
      My friend, did not evaluate. Let me tell you, "Moscow" has never been atomic. Moreover, ships with nuclear power plants are prohibited from staying in the Black Sea. Accordingly, "Peter the Great" was not there.
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 14 February 2014 22: 12
        0
        and the Georgians did not have a fleet, but a collection of boats. Shot of course, was the case.
    4. alone
      alone 14 February 2014 23: 56
      0
      Quote: kostya-petrov
      The USA has forgotten what kind of battle on the Black Sea was given to the atomic guards cruiser "Moskva" and the atomic cruiser "Peter the Great" to the Georgian military fleet !!!

      belay Do you think that the Georgian fleet is equal in strength to the American? However, you have a strong imagination.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 15 February 2014 00: 15
        +3
        The Georgian fleet is older and more experienced than the American, for even the Argonauts considered the campaign there a feat.
  18. Wiruz
    Wiruz 14 February 2014 15: 37
    +2
    The operational compound assembled in the Mediterranean is the strongest in the Navy in the composition of the shock forces.

    Well done! I hope they know where Senegal is! laughing
  19. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 14 February 2014 15: 38
    -20%
    and what is this vaunted 6th US fleet in the presence of the atomic guards cruiser "Moskva" and "Peter the Great" with the support of the aviation wing of the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" and underwater support of the MPLATRK project 949A to be afraid to come closer than 600 kilometers ???
    They are probably afraid that such a grouping of their AUG will instantly turn into scrap metal in a few minutes !!!
    1. iSpoiler
      iSpoiler 14 February 2014 16: 54
      +2
      I would argue. 20 granites with target designation from a satellite you want to make you afraid at a distance of 600 km.
      1. arane
        arane 14 February 2014 19: 51
        +7
        Well, granite guidance is slightly different, much more complex and extremely dangerous for purposes. But we will not paint it here. Damn, it's not that simple ....
    2. Fornit
      Fornit 14 February 2014 17: 02
      +3
      That is kostya-petrov Zhamy ... No need for such enthusiasm ... And then you and "Moscow" from the adrenaline rush into an atomic one ... "You need to be careful, guys ..." (C). On clothes, so to speak, stretch your legs ...

      The news, of course, is unprecedented in the last 20 years, but "no need ... What is not necessary? Spray saliva - I just came from dry cleaning ..." (C) You must always remember the joke about such a slow descent from the mountain ... laughing
      1. kostya-petrov
        kostya-petrov 14 February 2014 19: 27
        -5
        this joke ends with us shaking slowly, slowly going down from the mountains, and you will beat everyone below the mountain !!!
        I was told this joke at the institute today !!!
        1. corn
          corn 14 February 2014 21: 37
          +1
          No, the joke in its entirety ends: I'll take a look from here.
          I can tell in a personal.
    3. dr.star75
      dr.star75 14 February 2014 17: 11
      +1
      No, they are afraid that if they scratch our "rusty trough" they can get it in return.
    4. teascher
      teascher 14 February 2014 18: 00
      0
      8 fighters are not an aviation wing, and we don’t have such connections — 279 (I don’t remember exactly) air regiment. 2 fighters in the air is a force? And they carry PKR?
    5. arane
      arane 14 February 2014 19: 48
      +5
      Oh, we will throw our hats! Do not underestimate the enemy. AUG is a powerful strike force, and this cannot be condescendingly dismissive. This is criminal stupidity
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 14 February 2014 22: 21
        +1
        And also AUG is a bunch of slow floating targets. Some of them are very large, so much so that even aiming is not necessary. In principle, AUG can sink one submarine. Last year, they decided that they had learned to shoot down anti-ship missiles and launched a subsonic (!) Into their destroyer. I had to close up a gorgeous hole in the board. Warhead was not essential. Of course, no one is going to drown them, but all orders for cases were without a doubt distributed. This is a combat duty. It will be necessary - they will drown. The Yankees, by the way, know this very well. They voiced all this back in the 90s.
        1. skiff-xnumx
          skiff-xnumx 15 February 2014 01: 36
          +1
          Well, I would not say that slow. Aug speed 30 knots. Economical from 18 to 22 (depending on which supplier) so let's say grab and attack aug dpl is not an easy task. Even the nuclear submarines have to sweat, how not to become and how not to be detected, because it makes noise at 30 knots all over the Atlantic
          1. Foxmara
            Foxmara 17 February 2014 05: 56
            0
            And who to catch up with? Are they rushing across the ocean? Is the Middle Sea so huge? And they cut it from edge to edge at a speed of 30 knots? wassat There were cases when our submarines surfaced right in the center of the AUG, incl. to request assistance - appendicitis sailor cut. Of course, near the salvo of anti-ship missiles it is more unexpected, but even at a distance they can only confidently track how missiles hit targets, because they set new radars. There’s still nothing to shoot down. And 30 knots are absolutely not an obstacle to our RCC. No.
  20. Khan
    Khan 14 February 2014 16: 34
    -6
    The operational compound assembled in the Mediterranean is today the strongest in the Navy in terms of the composition of its strike forces, including nuclear weapons. That's all we can, and if you count the fleet of the USA, England, France, coastal military airfields and the developed infrastructure of the USA satellite countries, they probably fall from laughter from such weakness.
    1. iSpoiler
      iSpoiler 14 February 2014 16: 53
      +20
      Do not be lazy and read at least about one only "Peter the Great", its weapons and capabilities ... !!! Not laughing. The banter is extremely inappropriate, this is OUR fleet and OUR ships there are now carrying out combat service, I note one of the best in the world.
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    3. Lich
      Lich 14 February 2014 17: 17
      +22
      Khan

      And do you think it was better when our ships rotted at the berths? When did you cut the submarines into pots? When did the sailors get drunk with grief and go to work as loaders? When did they hand over Yugoslavia to the p.i.d.o.s. snouts? So what?

      So remember at least how 200 paratroopers captured the Slatina airport and sent the entire "peacekeeping" NATO contingent with their own planes, helicopters, and tanks.

      And then the whole fleet is floating. Not my friend, what kind of teeth are there, we’ll show them, it’s better than sitting at home and calling for negotiations
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 14 February 2014 17: 27
        -1
        Quote: Lich
        When did you submarine cut into pots?

        What a strange question

        Submarines are sent for disposal when they become morally and physically obsolete.
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 14 February 2014 18: 17
        +11
        Quote: Lich
        And then the whole fleet is floating. Not my friend, what kind of teeth are there, we’ll show them, it’s better than sitting at home and calling for negotiations


        The old wolf and the last tooth gnaws at ... good
    4. dr.star75
      dr.star75 14 February 2014 17: 40
      0
      Ha-Ha-Ha! Well, you are funny! It is in the 1st class that pipis are measured (by fleets) and in the 10th class h.l.u.n. SYAS! I hope you do not doubt that we are "longer"?
    5. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 14 February 2014 18: 15
      +2
      Quote: Khan
      They probably fall from laughter from such weakness.


      They certainly are not laughing ... Our group will order them cards ...
    6. arane
      arane 14 February 2014 20: 01
      +7
      No one there laughs. No one argues that the power of our grouping is much less than the total power of NATO fleets. But, if you imagine that it comes to a military clash between them, i.e. ultimately before the third world, a naval beast will come to all
      "Black scribe", and to us, and to them. And they understand it
      I think that it is enough for the assigned tasks to group forces.
  21. Dimsan
    Dimsan 14 February 2014 17: 04
    +1
    That is curious how many submarines are there ?? but about them, like everything is silent and silent, I really won’t believe that such forces are without underwater support.
    1. tundra
      tundra 14 February 2014 17: 42
      +4
      I think that's enough. Always silent about them laughing
    2. dr.star75
      dr.star75 14 February 2014 17: 49
      +2
      As a non-specialist, I can say that the nuclear submarines are not there. they are where necessary, I can guess where they are, but I will not write, suddenly a military secret?
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 14 February 2014 22: 25
        +1
        We then find out, as a rule, at the right time or at the end of the action we show WHAT they had by their side and TAM begins to write with boiling water))
    3. Volkhov
      Volkhov 14 February 2014 17: 57
      +2
      It is necessary to monitor the migration of blacks in the EU - as soon as they begin to cross the sea along closely adjacent ships and submarines, it will be easy to calculate the number according to the width of the sea and the dimensions of the ships. While Europe is not completely black, it means that they are not standing close to each other.
    4. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 14 February 2014 18: 18
      0
      Quote: Dimsan
      That is curious how many submarines are there ?? but about them, like everything is silent and silent, I really won’t believe that such forces are without underwater support.


      But who will tell you? Maybe the report to the Pentagon is immediately better?
    5. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 14 February 2014 19: 36
      +3
      Quote: Dimsan
      That is curious how many submarines are there ??

      The minimum is 1, the maximum is 3 atomic, but I won’t say anything about diesel engines. Already painfully expensive ABAB - even on lard at one time they asked, once fraternal regiments from the indestructible Union ... Now lithium-ion batteries of high power are on their way. Expensive, but what to do: necessary!
  22. tundra
    tundra 14 February 2014 17: 40
    +4
    I thought that such forces, the admiral should command? Although I am in these matters, zero, I'm sorry if something is wrong and explain.
  23. Leshka
    Leshka 14 February 2014 17: 57
    +2
    let the bastards be afraid if something in Ukraine or in Syria drops our troops
  24. silaichev
    silaichev 14 February 2014 18: 03
    0
    The Americans laughed and left
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 14 February 2014 18: 43
      +2
      And they said: that I still contacted the Russians!
      1. tundra
        tundra 14 February 2014 19: 46
        0
        UU half of the comments erased. Well, I understand the emotions. Well damn sediment remains.
  25. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 14 February 2014 18: 04
    +4
    Many comments are inclined to be harsh, since underestimating the enemy can not lead to anything good. Someone lamented that instead of nuclear submarines, diesel men should be sent. Where to get them from? One "Alrosa" with the Black Sea Fleet is clearly not enough, if it still comes. Here is the result of the activities of the carabiners from weapons. Submarines from India, China, Vietnam, etc ... Many at the forum sang praises that this is for the good of Russia. And what happened must be put up. So what? Indians will go to gain? Or the Vietnamese? Yes, the grouping by today's standards is not weak, but due to which the flanks were exposed. It is the same in aviation and in other weapons. The sale of weapons is a betrayal. It's high time to understand, including those who are on the forum.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 14 February 2014 18: 56
      +5
      Concerning hatred, I will tell one story. They told me long before the Olympics. There was a tour on Mamaev Kurgan among the Germans. They rode around MK, looked, and said: how, how could we lose to you? Ours said: and you try again! Then they went in silence ...
    2. Foxmara
      Foxmara 17 February 2014 06: 02
      0
      those. other countries such as the United States, Germany, France, China and even Israel are also traitors betrayal? hi They are very successful in the arms trade. Only trade in the turbulent years allowed the military-industrial complex to stay afloat and now fulfill the state order. In exchange for those sold, there will be new ones with new technologies. Not everything is going smoothly, but you shouldn't panic either. Once the "partners" panic and hysteria, it means that it is too early for us to worry and hysteria.
  26. room27
    room27 14 February 2014 18: 39
    +1
    They forgot about the submarines yes
  27. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 14 February 2014 18: 41
    +2
    One strike ship - Peter the Great, since Levchenko carries the Trumpet, not the anti-ship missiles. Well, landing ships and tankers will fight a lot (((
  28. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 14 February 2014 19: 03
    +1
    When there were events around Serbia, the Kursk nuclear submarine was introduced into Mediterranean, which spoiled the blood of a potential enemy. But this is a forced measure, and it is not a guarantee that it is justified. The strategic mistake of our leading submarine design bureaus is suffering from gigantomania. Very large ships with very low combat survivability are being created. Instead of one Antaeus, it is better to have a flock of 6-8 submarines with a total warhead and displacement equivalent to the original (pr949A) or slightly more. And use them one by one, namely in a group
  29. marder4
    marder4 14 February 2014 19: 12
    +4
    one understand - is it just show off or is it really planned scuffle?
  30. teascher
    teascher 14 February 2014 19: 14
    +1
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    And use them alone, namely a group

    How is it?
  31. awg75
    awg75 14 February 2014 19: 29
    0
    I read in snippets of news that in Syria, when unloading from our BDK less than a month ago, Jews bombed a port of S-300 air defense systems and anti-ship missiles in the port ... I think they swallowed a bitter pill and decided not to repeat the mistakes, and if necessary, use a kosher cradle to the fullest slice
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 14 February 2014 22: 10
      0
      Quote: awg75
      I read in snippets of news that in Syria, when unloading from our BDK less than a month ago, Jews bombed a port of S-300 air defense systems and anti-ship missiles in the port ... I think they swallowed a bitter pill and decided not to repeat the mistakes, and if necessary, use a kosher cradle to the fullest slice


      You froze nonsense, explain why:

      1. Bombed during unloading? fool Bombed warehouses OUT zones of operation of the Russian forces. How do you imagine the contingent attack FRIENDLY COUNTRIES? request Or have political news services banned you from 80? fool

      2. Friendship with Israel today is no less important than Syria, and politics today is aimed at strengthening ties and relationships. I did not notice the crowds of countries lining up to share advanced technologies with you, except us and the French. No.

      3. Luley to cut into full? laughing Several times already tried, and to step on the same rake, there were no fools before the collapse of the USSR, which was an order of magnitude more powerful and stronger than today's Russia. request

      4. Moreover, it is even hypothetically impracticable, proceeding from the ratio of the technical level of weapons and electronic equipment, as well as their number in a particular region.

      5. And finally, disagreements between nuclear-weapon states are not resolved. fool This is an axiom. Still amateurish thoughts will be? request
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 15 February 2014 04: 14
        +2
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Moreover, it is even hypothetically impossible

        Is Israel Invincible? Basically? Megalomania however.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 15 February 2014 09: 08
          -1
          Quote: shuhartred
          Is Israel Invincible?

          - Only with nuclear weapons and at the cost of exorbitant losses for the aggressor.

          1. The foreign policy of the state is zero tolerance for interference, and this is very clearly explained to the weight. (USS Liberty, Rimon-20)

          2. Every Israelite absorbs with his mother's milk an axiom, an internal attitude - that a military defeat is unacceptable and will certainly bring painful death to his family and friends. (so that any aggressor is guaranteed a "battle for Stalingrad")

          3. Therefore, any victory for the aggressor will be Pyrrhic, with colossal losses, and therefore I repeat - there are no fools. request

          Megalomania however.

          No, access to reliable information, knowledge of things from the inside, and the ability to analyze the picture of a theoretical battlefield based on personal combat experience
          1. mirag2
            mirag2 15 February 2014 09: 29
            0
            83 Mr. Ambassador of Israel S. Argov himself: “Those who dragged us into this war should have thought more than once about the price, especially the price of human lives. The Lebanese war is an unsuccessful war, and the Israeli people came out of it weakened ”(about the war of 1982).
            American political scientist R. Newman wrote: “By invading Lebanon, Israel made a cardinal miscalculation and did not achieve any of its major goals” [4, p.237].
            The territory of the Jewish state due to the desert spaces of the Negev turned out to be more Arab, which did not correspond to the ethnic picture of post-war Palestine: in 1946 there were only 1269 thousand Jews for 678 thousand Arabs. Palestine was doomed to a long war.
            The underlying causes of the war were conflicts between Arab countries and Israel over water and resources. In 1964, Syria decided to divert part of the runoff of the Jordan River, which led to great difficulties in Israel.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 15 February 2014 11: 39
              0
              Quote: mirag2
              83 Mr. Ambassador of Israel S. Argov himself: “Those who dragged us into this war should have thought more than once about the price, especially the price of human lives. The Lebanese war is an unsuccessful war, and the Israeli people came out of it weakened ”(about the war of 1982).

              There are enough liberal "all-spreading people" among our politicians, so what?
              The task of that war was to stop the daily massive shelling of northern cities of Israel, the first half of the goal was achieved then - the shelling became isolated incidents, the second half in 2006 (despite the inconsistency in the estimates of this operation). Already 8 years Hezbollah does not risk shelling Israeli territory. request
              Quote: mirag2
              The American political scientist R. Newman wrote: "By invading Lebanon, Israel made a cardinal miscalculation and did not achieve any of its major goals."

              From the same play, or news for you, that there is a massive lobby in the world whose purpose is to explain ... ABSOLUTELY ANY Israeli action? request
          2. gispanec
            gispanec 15 February 2014 10: 45
            -1
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Every Israeli absorbs an axiom with mother’s milk

            and every Arab and Persian .... with the milk of his mother absorbs the internal installation .... that as long as the Jewish state exists .... the world is at war ... and its holy duty as a warrior .... at its own cost life to fix this mistake ..... and what?
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 15 February 2014 11: 31
              0
              Quote: gispanec
              and every Arab and Persian .... with the milk of his mother absorbs the internal installation .... that as long as the Jewish state exists .... the world is at war ... and its holy duty as a warrior .... at its own cost life to fix this mistake ..... and what?

              And the flag in their hands laughing
              1. gispanec
                gispanec 15 February 2014 12: 15
                -2
                Quote: And Us Rat
                And the flag in their hands

                and to you, all the more so because only one pin flag .... you can only survive, without their support, your army will not survive even 1 year ...
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 15 February 2014 14: 39
                  0
                  Quote: gispanec
                  without their support, your army will not survive even 1 of the year ...

                  From 1948 to 1969, it has withstood, even more, USAA embargoed arms deliveries in those years, which did not stop the win of the 3 war, and this is despite the fact that the bottomless military (including nuclear blackmail) and financial (for 100 + billion green) support for one of the superpowers was on the side of the enemy.
                  Today, USA support is purely political and financially symbolic (0.1% of GDP), moreover, NO ONE USA soldier has ever taken part in Israeli military operations. request So before writing frank nonsense - I advise you to learn to understand the topic at least at the amateur level. negative
                  1. shuhartred
                    shuhartred 15 February 2014 21: 41
                    0
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    and financial (100+ billion green) support for one of the superpowers was on the side of the enemy.

                    And grunting sense if they do not know how to use technology or fight. There is no will to win, there is no readiness for self-sacrifice, even there is no sensible idea for which they are fighting. This is not the Red Army of 1941-1945, against which no one has any chances at all. Even now. No, not so, especially now.
                2. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 15 February 2014 21: 46
                  0
                  Quote: gispanec
                  without their support, your army will not survive even 1 of the year ...

                  Always someone supports someone, based on their likes and interests. This is normal and you should not make a tantrum out of it.
                  In the 70s, the Arabs acted together, the regular armies now remain only Syria and it is not up to Israel. And the Jews will cope with the partisans somehow, all these intifada is just an appearance
          3. shuhartred
            shuhartred 15 February 2014 21: 31
            0
            Quote: And Us Rat
            - Only with nuclear weapons and at the cost of exorbitant losses for the aggressor.

            1. The foreign policy of the state is zero tolerance for interference, and this is very clearly explained to the weight. (USS Liberty, Rimon-20)

            2. Every Israelite absorbs with his mother's milk an axiom, an internal attitude - that a military defeat is unacceptable and will certainly bring painful death to his family and friends. (so that any aggressor is guaranteed a "battle for Stalingrad")

            3. Therefore, any victory for the aggressor will be Pyrrhic, with colossal losses, and therefore I repeat - there are no fools.

            That's when you say the same thing about Russia skeptics and minusers an order of magnitude more.
            Quote: And Us Rat
            based on personal combat experience

            I do not have one and do not aspire to acquire it. Fuck this war, who needs it?
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 15 February 2014 09: 22
        0
        Well, only Hezbollah was patted in 1982, for which Sharon is still blamed.
      3. gispanec
        gispanec 15 February 2014 10: 42
        -4
        Quote: And Us Rat
        In addition, it is even hypothetically impracticable, proceeding from the ratio of the technical level of armaments and electronic equipment,

        Jews are God's chosen and consistently equipped well, just how scary everyone is ... Vietnam was also a collective farm, and then what was to be recalled? ... and the rake is different .. I agree only with paragraph 5, the rest is just complacency autonomy ..... and it is being treated, it’s just that they are not giving Iran a chance to treat it, and the rest cannot yet ... a couple of three suicide bombers with a knapsack nuclear charge ... but they will be acquired from Korea .... northern ....
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 15 February 2014 11: 54
          0
          Quote: gispanec
          the Jews of God

          And it should be noted that you remembered this nonsense, not me. request

          Quote: gispanec
          the rest is just complacency self-grandeur ....

          You tell your "urya-patriots" that. request

          Quote: gispanec
          ... they just don’t let Iran treat

          Despite all the pathos, Iran is not stupid, they are well aware that it is “too much for a hat” and will never be the first to dare to be the first to do anything other than financing terrorists. Even after receiving nuclear weapons, only a full down can be made to exchange 70 million Persians for 7 million Jews. A suicide country is nonsense. No.

          Quote: gispanec
          a pair of three suicide bombers with a knapsack nuclear charge ...

          Pose no less threat to you than to us request And it will be an order of magnitude easier to penetrate your territory than ours - we draw conclusions. request
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 15 February 2014 12: 22
            -1
            Quote: And Us Rat
            You tell your "urya-patriots" that.

            speech for you, and not for our idlers .... as always, jump from the topic with the hiccups to the other side
            Quote: And Us Rat
            They represent for you no less threat than for us And it will be an order of magnitude easier for them to penetrate your territory than ours - we draw conclusions

            25 again ... a speech for you and not for us .... and you wrote that it is impossible to do anything with you militarily ... I replied that everything is real and not very difficult ... there was a desire
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Iran, despite all the pathos, is not stupid, they understand perfectly well that "a hat is too big."

            and again, you decide for the Persians a hat for them or not for him .... mind you, but they decide it and here on this resource and pass it off as AKSIM .... funny
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 15 February 2014 14: 56
              0
              Quote: gispanec
              it’s for you, not for our developers ....

              Then tackle the log in your eye before looking for specks in strangers negative
              Quote: gispanec
              .... and you wrote that you can’t do anything militarily ... I replied that everything is real and not very difficult ... there was a desire ...

              ... and enough ammunition laughing

              Quote: gispanec
              ... you pass it off as AKSIM .... funny ...

              Not me, but almost all world military analysts, including Russian lol Funny is when you start arguing with the facts. laughing
  32. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 14 February 2014 19: 31
    +1
    but still, what type of MPLATRK nuclear submarine (possible) is currently plowing the waters of the Mediterranean Sea or even the Black Sea ?!
    Not crowded there now ?!
    Why not immediately launch the 941 TRPKSN into the Mediterranean ?! His mere presence will already cool the heads of the generals of the 6 US Navy !!!!
    It seems to me that our famous fish floats well in the waters of the Mediterranean !!!
  33. tundra
    tundra 14 February 2014 19: 36
    +1
    After all, no one explained, caperang and admiral. Although I understood myself. Let the mattresses be appointed, and we (the mattresses) and the captains of the first rank will figure it out. Is there a lot of honor, mattresses, our jokes do not like, we have everything seriously. not childish !!!
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 15 February 2014 15: 05
      0
      Well, if I understand correctly, then the admiral should command the order of ships with nuclear weapons ... We, as it were, inform our partners that our "peaceful armored train" looks a bit like this here, while the point is ...
      Well, the admiral will definitely be there if the situation begins to heat up ...
  34. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 14 February 2014 19: 37
    +1
    with a big turmoil nearby in the Black Sea, another our squadron near Sochi stands with the guards cruiser "Moskva" with the "Basalt" complex. I think that Yankes means all this !!!
  35. tundra
    tundra 14 February 2014 19: 39
    0
    Or the floor or pi..a to smithereens.
  36. tundra
    tundra 14 February 2014 19: 40
    0
    Or h ... n to hit or miss .... but to smithereens.
  37. tundra
    tundra 14 February 2014 19: 53
    +1
    C'mon, Ours always fought to the last. And then the rest went out of their breath and scrambled home .. It’s more expensive !!! laughing
  38. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 14 February 2014 19: 54
    +2
    it seems to me now how our submarines will play cat and mouse with the Americans in the Mediterranean !!! Someone who highlights, someone who quickly hooks, and someone who writes faster by noise!
  39. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 14 February 2014 19: 57
    +1
    Quote: Geisenberg
    Quote: MIKHAN
    They are building up the group and not without reason seeing .. Obama is again threatened! All the bastards will not calm down!


    The fact that there is nuclear weapons on board will neutralize any aggressive actions against this compound.

    The Zionists can default on any action .. (they have bases everywhere) will overwhelm our group if that’s completely but .. but I think our ships and the Navy’s nuclear submarines will answer for all purposes .. And then .. for all the will of God .. ( Russia simply has nowhere to concede and retreat ..)
  40. vlasov70
    vlasov70 14 February 2014 20: 04
    +2
    For 2013, the Kuznechik air wing includes 16 aircraft and 17 helicopters [28]:
    10 carrier-based fighter Su-33
    2 carrier-based fighter MiG-29K
    2 deck fighter MiG-29CUB
    2 training aircraft Su-25UTG
    15 multipurpose naval helicopters Ka-27 / Ka-27PS
    2 helicopter radar patrol Ka-31
    Also, the aircraft carrier is armed [28]:
    12 × SCRC 4K80 Granite
    24 × PU Dagger (192 missiles)
    8 × ZRAK 3М87 "Dagger" (256 rockets)
    2 × RBU-12000 "Boa constrictor" (60 depth charges)
    6 × AK-630

    Missile weapons of Parsley:
    20 × PKR P-700 "Granite"
    SAM S-300F "Fort" (48 missiles)
    SAM S-300FM "Fort-M" (46 missiles)
    16 × PU SAM "Dagger" (128 missiles) 6 × 16 ZRAK "Dagger" (144 missiles)
    1. kostya-petrov
      kostya-petrov 14 February 2014 20: 52
      0
      please write rocket armament "Moscow" !!!
      1. vlasov70
        vlasov70 14 February 2014 21: 17
        +1
        Cruiser "Moscow"
        Artillery 1 × 2 - AK-130
        Anti-aircraft artillery 6 × 6 - AK-630
        Missile weapons 8 × 2 PU PKRK (P-1000 Volcano)
        8 × 8 UM SAM S-300F "Fort",
        2 × 2 SAM "Osa-MA"
        Mine-torpedo armament of 2 five-pipe 533-mm torpedo tubes
        Aviation group 1 Ka-27 helicopter

        I’m not sure that all the information is true, because did not check, but something like that. Maybe knowledgeable comrades will correct and correct.
  41. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 14 February 2014 20: 18
    +1
    Do not say, but this is a serious demonstration of the Flag and, perhaps, intentions. How events will develop further, I hope we will soon find out. Six BDKs are not simply "heaped up"! No one from NATO allies will climb, especially Turkey, not everything is so simple ...
  42. Patriot23
    Patriot23 14 February 2014 20: 38
    +2
    Our assembled a very powerful squadron, the Americans alone go around Peter for 500 km ... forgot to mention Moscow, which will wipe Germany off the face of the earth, for example ..
    1. kostya-petrov
      kostya-petrov 14 February 2014 20: 40
      0
      "Moscow" in the neighboring sea guards the Olympics in Sochi !!!
      But at a big noise, I think she would not mind looking at our neighbors and see how things are going there !!!
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 February 2014 21: 08
      +8
      Quote: Patriot23
      forgot to mention Moscow, which will erase Germany, for example, from the face of the earth ..

      Quite right. Flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, Guards missile cruiser "Moskva" (Project 1164 "Atlant") Main armament (in addition to artillery and mine-torpedo): 8 × 2 PU PKRK (P-1000 Volcano), Air defense: 8 × 8 UM air defense systems S-300F “Fort”, 2 × 2 air defense systems “Osa-MA”
      It has been virtually non-hazardous in Middle-earth since the beginning of the Syrian mess. This cruiser, being in its target water area, performs a real demonstration of the national flag and combat power of the Russian Federation on an ongoing basis! A low bow to Tronev Sergey Ivanovich and the team for their heroic work, 7 feet under the keel, and a safe return to the home port of Sevastopol! yes
  43. vm68dm
    vm68dm 14 February 2014 21: 05
    +3
    Quote: seller trucks
    Quote: silver_roman
    Of course, "Kuzya and Petya" is strong, but I hope a couple of nuclear submarines plow the depths of the Mediterranean for safety net.


    Well, what do you say ... atomic then what the hell? this is a multi-purpose dlp job

    The campaign of the Kursk nuclear submarine was carried out according to the plan and under the control of the commander of the KSF, Admiral Popov V. A., who gave him the following description: “The commander of Kursk was able to fully realize our plan. The ship secretly broke into the Mediterranean Sea through Gibraltar. It was not a breakthrough, but a song! ”

    "Kursk" conducted covert surveillance of the Sixth Fleet of the US Navy in the Mediterranean, including the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt, whose aircraft attacked Serbia during the NATO operation against Yugoslavia. During the Mediterranean campaign, "Kursk" worked out 5 conditional attacks on real targets. As a result of the campaign, 72 crew members were presented to government awards.

    The sudden appearance in the Mediterranean Sea of ​​the latest "killer aircraft carriers" caused a panic in the ranks of the 6th US fleet. The anti-submarine forces of all the Mediterranean countries of NATO were involved in the search for Kursk ...

    However, K-141 just as suddenly disappears, as it appeared, inflicting a crushing blow to American vanity. Several chiefs at once, including the commander of the anti-submarine defense of the Gibraltar zone, are losing their posts, and the Kursk and its commander, in fact, are elevated to the rank of "personal enemies of America." Submarine commander presented to the title of Hero of Russia.
  44. konvalval
    konvalval 14 February 2014 21: 45
    0
    Now I'm looking at "Russia-1" "Afghan". Oh, and the Americans provocateurs. So that the Fleet in time.
  45. artem10103
    artem10103 14 February 2014 21: 48
    0
    Perhaps because of the Olympics, and there is no background
  46. loginovich
    loginovich 14 February 2014 21: 57
    +1
    7 feet under keel
    1. Victor-M
      Victor-M 15 February 2014 01: 31
      0
      Quote: loginovich
      7 feet under keel

      For the Russian and Ukrainian Navy, and 7 feet or more, above the wheelhouse for NATO surface squadron.
  47. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 14 February 2014 21: 59
    -3
    how can caperang command such a connection? Of course there were midshipmen on the bridges of armadillos, but then why?
  48. AvadraCedavra
    AvadraCedavra 14 February 2014 23: 41
    -7
    The only thing that can scare the citizens of European countries is the possibility of an accident on some rusty pelvis, 20 years ago, with a nuclear reactor. In this case, poor Europeans will not only have to liquidate the consequences of such an accident, but also, knowing the love of the Russian Federation for their defenders, once again save the Russian sailors. This flotilla is a sad sight, of morally and technically outdated ships, with inexperienced personnel, a miserable remnant of the once great and powerful fleet of the USSR. Knowing this, it is not pride that embraces me, but shame. What was the command of the Russian Federation hoping to send this fleet to the Mediterranean Sea? The fact that the Americans will die of laughter, looking at the exhibits of the Cold War, from their many modern ships? Another waste of budget funds spent on cheap PR. Another cut.
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 15 February 2014 10: 55
      0
      Quote: AvadraCedavra
      The only thing that can scare the citizens of European countries

      they’ve already frightened me ... to the turning of blue ... and the gays and the remaining 40-100 real men ... so, don’t defecate here ..... it won’t help .... do your best thing ... . Take a male-type person with you under the covers and engage in complacency ...
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  49. sxn278619
    sxn278619 15 February 2014 00: 12
    0
    The task is simple - to close the sky over Syria with your air defense. No super modern ships will butt with pelvis with nuclear weapons on board. there are no suicides in the West.
  50. wanderer
    wanderer 15 February 2014 01: 31
    +2
    Some crap.
    What kind of nuclear weapon?
    Which Moodle is the first to decide to press a button.
    How and for what time to close someone’s sky? I would have had the strength to cover my tugs.
    Let the Arabs butt themselves.
    I hope the mind is enough not to get drunk on the ears.