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Wings for military topographers

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Wings for military topographersThe Russian Armed Forces are working on the creation of a modern aircraft-mapper of a new generation, ITAR-TASS reported with reference to Rear-Admiral Sergei Kozlov, head of the Topographic Service of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The admiral did not specify to the agency what the new aircraft would be. Perhaps in some ways it will be similar to the Tu-154-LK-1, created on the basis of the passenger Tu-154. It is also called crystal, because it has 450 mm quartz glass windows and two 750 windows on 800 mm in it.


The main value of the new flying cartographer will, of course, be its equipment, designed to quickly and accurately obtain geospatial information about the terrain for the compilation of state topographic maps. Until recently, they were compiled using 70 – 80-s equipment of the last century. But the troops are already receiving new software and hardware complexes, for example, a system of digital information about the terrain and a unified automated system for providing geospatial information, the development work on which ended literally last year. Both systems are included in the subsystem of topographic, geodetic and navigation support of a promising automatic command and control system for troops.

The new aircraft will be a significant help in the work of military topographers. But the main work on remote sensing of the Earth will continue from space. Here are also planned breakthrough projects. In particular, Roscosmos promised in the period from 2017-th to 2018 year to put into orbit eight spacecraft, which will take only a week to capture the entire territory of Russia.

However, the problems of topographic, geodetic and navigational support of the Armed Forces are not solved in space and sky, but on the ground, in the cabinets by specialists. And yet they cannot agree among themselves on how to integrate topographic and geodetic and navigation software into a single system of geo-information support for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
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  1. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 14 February 2014 10: 24
    +8
    But they still can’t agree among themselves
    Under Stalin, we would quickly agree .. Without good cards, the Army is like a blind kitten
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 14 February 2014 11: 32
      +1
      In a week, I’ll scan the territory of Russia by satellites, and in a month we must assume the rest of the world, unless of course satellite orbits allow ... not bad
      1. Civil
        Civil 14 February 2014 11: 41
        +1
        Now I don’t understand the news at all ... and we do not have a great space power pair of satellites to digitize the surface ?!
    2. VADEL
      VADEL 14 February 2014 11: 34
      +1
      Under Stalin, these "gentlemen" had already rotted somewhere or chopped and sawed.
  2. Wedmak
    Wedmak 14 February 2014 10: 25
    +3
    Tu-204SM to help you, why invent something?
    1. VAF
      VAF 14 February 2014 10: 36
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      Tu-204SM to help you, why invent something?


      And denyushka how to .. "earn" wink Denis because it has been said more than once ..... all "earnings" are on "development" (DEVELOPMENT), and not on ..production wassat
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 14 February 2014 10: 50
        0
        How, how ... at the construction of these very airplotters, they will not be so few. And if you make an export option, they will tear off with arms and legs.
        1. FID
          FID 14 February 2014 11: 14
          +3
          Oh, I'm afraid to jinx ... It seems, again, it seems, under the MAP, the chair began to sway. And it seems like you always have to put your fingers on the QMS and fingers crossed, there is a starting customer, plus no one canceled the Iranian contract for 100 cars (31 we do, the rest of Iran under license) ...
  3. mountain
    mountain 14 February 2014 10: 29
    0
    And so it is, everything is decided on earth, and the technique is necessary and so necessary. More new and accurate maps to our military!
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 14 February 2014 12: 04
      0
      Quote: mountain
      And so it is, everything is decided on earth, and the technique is necessary and so necessary. More new and accurate maps to our military!

      And everything will end like in an old joke - The car will stop, an officer will come out and go ask the locals for directions ......
  4. sinukvl
    sinukvl 14 February 2014 10: 35
    0
    It’s good that we don’t forget about topography.
  5. Duke
    Duke 14 February 2014 10: 37
    0
    Here you need to create and modify hardware and software.
  6. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 14 February 2014 11: 28
    +2
    However, the problems of topographic, geodetic and navigational support of the Armed Forces are not solved in space and sky, but on the ground, in the cabinets by specialists. And yet they cannot agree among themselves on how to integrate topographic and geodetic and navigation software into a single system of geo-information support for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
    Of course, a new advanced technology is essential!
    But if there is still a problem in the offices, this means that the main organizational issues in this important area have not been resolved, and there are also no competent managers to integrate topographic and geodetic and navigation support into a single system. These problems will be a brake!
  7. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 14 February 2014 11: 34
    0
    It is necessary to come to an agreement quickly, it is not necessary to rely on and rely on JP&S, and space systems (domestic) must be taken care of urgently.
    1. smith7
      smith7 14 February 2014 13: 03
      +1
      In this case, it's not just about geolocation, as I understand it. Perhaps they are trying to solve the issues of eliminating (reducing) errors that arise when joining geodata of terrain fragments during standard (previously used) topographic surveys and updating the available topodata for a promising automated combat control system. So as in a computer toy - "tanks to the left, planes to the right", just point with the "mouse" who, how, where and when... And to "make a fairy tale come true" you need such an airplane, or rather a correct topographic survey of the surface. Otherwise, we launch missiles at 10000m with an "uncontrolled" error in cartography. We need to fix it ... Well done Russian cartographers (and their sympathizers) wink
  8. Hort
    Hort 14 February 2014 12: 49
    +1
    creation of a new airplane ... And what are they, for example, "Geophysics-2" not happy with?
  9. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 14 February 2014 13: 15
    0
    Can anyone explain why to use such a large aircraft ??? The larger the car, the steeper the resolution on the maps will be ??? It is very reminiscent of the fact that in the late 80s a dozen Finns began to be transported to Ikarus objects, then, having driven a bit, they spat and wrote off a minibus from their homeland.
  10. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 14 February 2014 14: 14
    +1
    And what does not suit them, for example, Geofizika-2? By the way, I agree! Tu-154 with its cruiser will not slip through "large objects"? Only in Geophysics is the problem now. Can SSS say?
    1. FID
      FID 14 February 2014 14: 22
      +2
      Geophysics in a single copy. Myasishchevsky Design Bureau in Zhukovsky under the control of the UAC. M-55 (Geophysics) last time flew in December 2011 (Siberia, North). OAK does nothing. Therefore, I think the M-55 will remain in a single copy.
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 14 February 2014 14: 49
        0
        So I am aware that this bird is alone. Longing, just starts to push when an excellent car is driven. request Best regards, Sergei hi!
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 14 February 2014 14: 31
      0
      And what does not suit them, for example, "Geofizika-2"?

      And there are only two of them. And thought for high-altitude flights. Does one have to climb so high for mapping?
      1. FID
        FID 14 February 2014 15: 18
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        And there are only two of them.

        Only one has airworthiness. Only 5 built: USSR-23570 - in storage and Zhukovsky; RF-55201 - disaster (approximately 1993-1995); RF-55203 - in storage; 55204 - flight copy (note - there is no state affiliation in the registration number); RF-55205 - an accident. That's all the cars. Another 5 or 6 were ordered, but ...
        1. FID
          FID 14 February 2014 15: 45
          +1
          And on this affiliation of the Russian Federation.
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 14 February 2014 19: 52
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        And what does not suit them, for example, "Geofizika-2"?

        And there are only two of them. And thought for high-altitude flights. Does one have to climb so high for mapping?

        Need higher, a reconnaissance satellite equipped with a synthetic aperture radar solves all mapping problems. But to create a plane for mapping in the age of UAVs ... belay Is this a joke? what What then? New steam locomotives for Russian Railways? request
        1. takto.onotak
          takto.onotak 15 February 2014 02: 01
          +1
          Yes, everyone already had everything, it remains only to tighten the article for not targeted and not efficient spending of state funds. funds (and golden parachutes ...) ...
        2. takto.onotak
          takto.onotak 15 February 2014 02: 01
          +1
          Yes, everyone already had everything, it remains only to tighten the article for not targeted and not efficient spending of state funds. funds (and golden parachutes ...) ...
  11. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 14 February 2014 15: 52
    +3
    In particular, Roscosmos promised in the period from 2017 to 2018 to put into orbit eight spacecraft, which would take only a week to capture the entire territory of Russia.

    The main thing is that the satellites work in orbit, and not at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.
  12. takto.onotak
    takto.onotak 14 February 2014 20: 02
    0
    The good news is that they are facing the problems of topography. At one time, a solid and solid topography was left to chance and left for survival itself, even the educational institution was eliminated as an independent unit, for which I thank S.A.E. There are many problems, but still in our hands. Good luck to them!
  13. BOB48
    BOB48 14 February 2014 20: 12
    0
    did not understand - the head of the topographic service Rear Admiral ??????
    1. takto.onotak
      takto.onotak 15 February 2014 01: 52
      0
      And why are you surprised about the furniture maker heard ... ??? !!!
      1. VADEL
        VADEL 15 February 2014 02: 14
        0
        Who it? Mu-mo-know, Raskolnikov-know, Kazan-know. The furniture maker ...? recourse
        Did you make stools with a SHURA?
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  14. Genur
    Genur 14 February 2014 20: 37
    0
    ... they cannot yet agree among themselves on how to integrate topographic and geodetic and navigation support into a single system ...
    One hundred times you will remember Krylov’s priest. ... and Vaska listens and eats ... ... and I would have cooked differently ... ... and things are still there ...
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 14 February 2014 23: 46
      0
      Quote: Genur
      ... they still cannot agree among themselves on how to integrate topographic and geodetic and navigation support into a single system ..


      The complexity here is not in the relationship between departments, but in the differences and features of existing systems. Topographic and geodetic reference networks were created at different times by different departments. Mapping of the mainland was carried out by the ministries of geology, the cartography and cartographic services of the General Staff, mapping the coast of the Arctic Ocean and the Pacific ocean coast with Navy hydrographs. Scaling of naval maps in miles, topographic in kilometers. Different scans (Mercator and Krasovsky), so much shorter than inconsistencies in the geodetic reference network that there are so many that maybe these specialists themselves do not know.
      So the problems are not from reluctance.
      1. takto.onotak
        takto.onotak 15 February 2014 01: 50
        0
        Listen dear comrade, do not mislead the audience, the science of topography is one and the same, and the problem is not in it (there are more than one hundred HUNDRED years of Russian topography !!!), but in roskartography which tries to dance to the bore everything ... including GPS ...
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