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"If we have nowhere to go will." The representative of the Lugansk Cossacks explained his appeal for the introduction of Russian troops in Ukraine

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"If we have nowhere to go will." The representative of the Lugansk Cossacks explained his appeal for the introduction of Russian troops in Ukraine“I have the right to protect our fellow citizens, because I am very worried about our Lugansk region. After all, we have been together for so many centuries! I have half of my relatives in Russia, ”Leonid Ruban, ataman of the Lugansk district of the Don Cossacks, told the newspaper VIEW. So he commented on the appeal of the Cossacks to Vladimir Putin with a request to provide military support to Ukraine.


“We, Don Cossacks, faithful to the Orthodox faith, Fatherland and Don, by the will of the Lord, are in the territory of the fraternal Russian state of Ukraine, the situation in which at the moment causes horror,” the message says, “Ukrainskaya Pravda” writes.

The appeal emphasizes: “The riots on the streets, the inaction of the police and the authorities towards the radically minded young men who cripple our fellow citizens, employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, destroy historical monuments are causing discord in society. ”

According to the Cossacks, "opposition leaders are provoking a civil war, claiming that they will turn to the troops of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) for help."

“We appeal to you with a request not to give us up to be torn apart by the Western Herods. And in the event of further deepening of the political crisis, attempts to introduce NATO troops into the territory of Ukraine, to provide military support to the people of Ukraine, ”the Cossacks said in a message.

Also they sent their appeal to the Union of Cossack troops of Russia and abroad.

It should be noted that at the end of January, the highest ataman of the Union of Cossack troops in Russia and abroad, Viktor Volodatsky, had already announced that the Cossacks were ready to assist in ending the unrest in Ukraine.

This is not the first such appeal to the Russian president. So, in December last year, deputy of the Sevastopol City Council from the Party of Regions of Ukraine faction Sergei Smolyaninov wrote an open letter to Putin asking him to give an order to bring Russian troops into Ukraine to protect the country from the "US Army and their NATO aggressors."

VIEW: Leonid Alexandrovich, what was the reason for another similar appeal to the Russian president? It seems to be now in Ukraine, a relative lull. The president and the opposition are negotiating, the epicenter of events from the streets and barricades has moved to parliament.

Leonid Ruban: This is because Yatsenyuk (the leader of the “Batkivschyna” parliamentary faction Arseniy Yatsenyuk - LOOK) announced that they will ask for the introduction of NATO troops to restore order. Yes, we have a lull in the Luhansk region. But you will notice that we are in favor of not spilling blood in Ukraine. We are for order. In order not to destroy our buildings, not to destroy our monuments. I love Kiev more than Moscow. And this was the city - the beauty, but what is now made of it? What made from other cities? Cracked, pogromed. And now, in order to restore all this, they will take money from our pocket. And so, gentlemen, well, you do not like the president, the time will come, reelect! But now there is power, and I must submit to power. Our Lugansk rose first. The region rose, the Cossacks rose. Thanks, of course, to our governor for supporting the public.

VIEW: And tell me, have you come to Kiev lately? Were you at rallies in support of the president or on the Maidan to understand what was going on?

L.R.: I did not go there. I am in favor of that, once such disassemblies have already gone, we decided here to keep discipline and order in Lugansk, so that nothing could be destroyed here.

VIEW: In Lugansk, there was a threat of destruction of monuments, buildings?

L.R.: No no! We have nothing of this.

VIEW: What, then, and from whom you are guarding?

L.R.: People just guard all their own. If you don't like the monument, spit on it, but why destroy it? There is a decision of deputies of the region to give under the protection of the Cossacks of administrative building and the center of the city, in which there are cultural monuments and other valuable objects. This is not only in Lugansk. But Krasnodon, the village of Lugansk, Alchevsk, Stakhanov.

VIEW: The local government can not provide protection through law enforcement? Why are you assigned to perform these functions?

L.R.: Understand correctly, police officers have limitations. And I'm a citizen, like the one that will go to destroy. We are both citizens of Ukraine and equal in rights. If he tries to hit, I have every right to give an answer. Without breaking the law. I protect my! But the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are limited by something: it is impossible to shoot, it cannot be there, nothing else.

VIEW: But there was no precedent? You did not have to defend?

L.R.: No no no. We, namely the Cossacks, did not have any clashes with maydanutymi there. They scolded us, but we gave no answer. Just stood so that there was order. They said, they say, that you are guarding the governor. I said no, we are guarding you. Your children and your grandchildren, so that they calmly go to work and can live peacefully here, so that there is no lawlessness.

LOOK: So your request to Russian President Vladimir Putin for the introduction of troops is only a response to the threats of one of the opposition leaders, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, to ask for help from NATO?

L.R.: Of course! Of course! I did not break anything. Simply, if he believes that he has the right to appeal to enter NATO troops, then I am the same as he, though not a deputy. I have the right to protect our fellow citizens, because I am very worried about our Lugansk region. After all, we have been together for so many centuries! I have half of my relatives in Russia. So what should i do?

VIEW: In your opinion, assuming hypothetically that Russia will deploy its troops to Ukraine, will this stabilize the situation? Is this a way out of the political crisis?

L.R.: Russia will never bring troops to Ukraine, if everything is peaceful. Because the border, this concept is. But if there is any situation, I think that Russia will support Ukraine, because we are fraternal peoples.

VIEW: But you turned not only with a request for support, but with a request to send troops.

L.R.
: Well, it was already at the end of the phrase, and there is a reservation - “if” ... If it will be like that. And these are different things - please enter and "if we have nowhere to go will." I can't demand it. Nobody authorized me. I am a citizen of Ukraine.
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  1. Apache
    Apache 14 February 2014 06: 37
    -36%
    Kozaki, the same ones who once took Azov, went to Moscow ... now they are turning over in their graves, their descendants are waiting for military assistance to restore order in their country. Gentlemen with whips, do not disgrace, take off these pendants, give the sabers to the museum and go work at least as janitors. You are not Cossacks, you are so snot in the wind.
    1. Civil
      Civil 14 February 2014 06: 42
      +12
      It would be nice to satisfy such a good request with a leading schedule.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 14 February 2014 07: 03
        +15
        We can’t get into this mess right now - keep cool.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 14 February 2014 07: 20
          +9
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          We can’t get into this mess right now - keep cool.

          Only in the EXTREME case ...
        2. zzz
          zzz 14 February 2014 08: 03
          +3
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          We can’t get into this mess right now - keep cool.


          And what? Will it be possible sometime?
          1. alexdol
            alexdol 14 February 2014 11: 04
            +8
            zzz RUzzz RU "What? Will it be possible sometime?"
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            You have correctly posed the question! The answer to it can be given unambiguous: for those who are so cautious - it MAY NOT come NEVER !!! We have already seen enough of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya .... Who is next? They say that they stood up for Syria, but it’s not yet a fact that the threat of BOMBEZHEK has been eliminated for it ... At the same time, there was talk all the time about preventing the WAR from approaching the borders of RUSSIA! And here the WAR is approaching you at the very borders of RUSSIA, you can say in its blood part, and in response to SILENCE ... Yes, it’s great for you guys to Zombie this power, that’s how you reason ... I will give a small example, for clarity. A gangster attacked a passerby, and all those who were nearby started to speculate that there was still no time to intervene for him. I would like to wish all of you with such ideas about good and evil not to be in a similar situation!
            1. Hunghuz
              Hunghuz 14 February 2014 11: 36
              0
              hi We propose that under the flag of NATO and the EU, first fight in Chechnya and Georgia (Georgia) and a stick in Galicia ...... ??? or am I misunderstood?
          2. avg
            avg 14 February 2014 12: 33
            +1
            Quote: zzz
            And what? Will it be possible sometime?

            First, volunteers, then peacekeepers, then we will see ... Here it is often like this - "whoever got up first, that and slippers"
          3. Horst78
            Horst78 14 February 2014 14: 34
            +1
            And what? Will it be possible sometime?
            Only at the first boot of the NATO member (read Fascist) will appear on the land of Ukraine. They must take the first step (so that you can immediately see who started), and there we are. If we answer the NATO (Fascists) will have to retire, except for the United States there with a number of ethics 80-120 thousand. and there’s no one to fight (given that they are there in the barracks to each other’s back yard)
        3. andrey777
          andrey777 14 February 2014 10: 18
          0
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          We can’t get into this mess right now - keep cool.

          Yes, you’re right, the rush hour has not come yet. Putin is waiting.
        4. Gronsky
          Gronsky 14 February 2014 12: 42
          +1
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          We can’t get into this mess right now - keep cool.

          Absolutely right.
          The moment has not come yet. We must endure, we must let the freaks cross the line, let the "revolution" devour itself. It is then to act, without a twinge of conscience and with a sense of complete righteousness. For any project, Ukraine should be closed.
        5. Horst78
          Horst78 14 February 2014 14: 30
          +1
          We can’t get into this mess right now - keep cool.
          That's it. It’s possible to break a lot of firewood into a hot head, but then how to disentangle it. The maydans broke, and now they don’t know how to get out of this hole. The face is already lost, or rather, the true is shown.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 14 February 2014 07: 02
      +14
      YES this is so-a small bunch of Galician Bandera put on their ears the whole country, well, where it suits.
      I just don’t understand the Cossacks — you don’t have any energetic people — take the example of the JEWS — these representatives of usury are ready to turn inside out and, as a rule, achieve it.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 14 February 2014 09: 46
        +4
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        YES this is so-a small bunch of Galician Bandera put on the ears of the whole country

        With the ideological, social and financial support of the NATO bloc countries.
        1. Akim
          Akim 14 February 2014 09: 58
          -12%
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          support for NATO countries.

          Did they put them tanks and planes?
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 14 February 2014 10: 12
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Z.O.V.
            support for NATO countries.

            Did they put them tanks and planes?

            Hi Kim, open the thought did not understand hi
            1. Akim
              Akim 14 February 2014 10: 40
              -3
              Quote: ed65b
              did not understand

              The question is precisely the accusation of countries MILITARY block. I agree that Western countries are financing the protest movements in Ukraine, but this is not a military bloc and its help.
            2. alexdol
              alexdol 14 February 2014 10: 46
              +5
              ed65b (5) SU "Hi Kim, expand the idea, I don't understand"
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              And what is there to understand, everything is already clear - he is a LIE! And there are not only such people here, it is simply surprising that they still find support among the visitors of this site, numerous "stars" speak about this!

              AKIM: "I agree that Western countries are funding protest movements in Ukraine, but this is not a military bloc and not its help."

              I’ll add, taking into account his answer, apparently he is from the YURYSTOV family, these well-known KRYUCHOTVOROV, who will kill a grandmother for any murderer from fair punishment! These conclusions are suggested by his answer, which is given above ...
              1. Akim
                Akim 14 February 2014 10: 52
                -3
                Quote: alexdol
                numerous "stars" speak about it!

                It is necessary, how are you to suck up? Change the flag on the ip - it will be more honest.
                1. alexdol
                  alexdol 14 February 2014 11: 10
                  +6
                  Akim UA "It is necessary, how are you - to suck up? Change the checkbox on the IP address - it will be more honest."
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                  You, young man, think about what you are talking about, unless, of course, there is something to think about ?! And you need to change the checkbox to EUROINTEGRATORS,
                  there your FRIENDS would have dumped it better in your GEYRO!
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 14 February 2014 11: 21
                    -1
                    Quote: alexdol
                    ! And you need to change the checkbox to EUROINTEGRATORS,

                    I defend my country, and you - Russia or Ukraine as an integral part of the USSR. In the settings there "born in the USSR"
                    1. alexdol
                      alexdol 14 February 2014 11: 57
                      +6
                      Akim UA "I defend my country, and you - Russia or Ukraine as an integral part of the USSR"
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                      Judging by your "avatar" - Ukraine cannot be your country! In addition, what is today called "Ukraine" has always been and WILL BE a Russian land, it is a part of RUSSIA, or a part of the USSR as you like. And I do not think that I should change anything, let people know that I live in this part of Russia, which is called Ukraine today, and specifically, in the city of KHARKOV, from us to Belgorod, only 60 km ...
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 14 February 2014 12: 09
                        0
                        Quote: alexdol
                        Judging by your "avatar" - Ukraine cannot be your country!

                        Your avatar was given to all of you. At my institute, a course three lower, a black UKRAINE was studying !. And nothing. There was no racism. It just looked cool in a blue beret.
                        And according to the commentary, I understood. You are sex. "I live in Ukraine, but I will trap it out of a sense of duty to another power."
                        I agree that Ukraine is different and I, among other things, do not support the Maidan. But at EURO 2012 I was rooting for Ukrainian football players. And who are you for?
                        Or at 2014 Olympics plus Ukrainian medal to Russian?
                      2. alexdol
                        alexdol 14 February 2014 12: 25
                        +4
                        Akim UA "You are sexot." I live in Ukraine, but I will trap it out of a sense of duty to another power. "
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                        Somehow you put it badly, all the same, you need to select the words ... Again I repeat: you did not understand anything and do not want to UNDERSTAND! Maybe you will grow up, then something will reach you. Yes, I do not live in Ukraine, but in RUSSIA, in that part of it which is now so strangely called!
                        And answering the question for whom I am rooting, I will say: after the collapse of the USSR, I was no longer interested in any kind of sport! The COUNTRY was taken away from me, I am already 62 years old, and you offer me to be ill for the devil knows what! Yes, I AM SICK, but for the COUNTRY, a country called RUSSIA, here is a link to my verse which is called "Mom and Mother"
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 14 February 2014 13: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: alexdol
                        I am already 62 years old, and you offer me to be sick, the devil knows why!

                        Yes, I’m almost half your age, and my homeland was taken away from me, but I will never identify Russia with the USSR and gave the oath to protect the people of Ukraine, and not its individual parts. You think that this is Russia. Mentally - I agree, and then the other. But territorially, this is Ukraine. Do not be offended, but your time has passed, but in order for Bendera’s time not to come, you must fight for the country, and not rely on your neighbors. They will then also treat us as Americans to the British: We have saved you.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 14 February 2014 11: 01
            +5
            Quote: alexdol
            And what is there to understand, everything is already clear - he is a JUSTICE
            I will ask our Akim do not zobizhat, he is a nice guy ... but the truth is he likes to make unsubstantiated, unconfirmed informational "stuffing", but nothing, we will fix it repeat
          3. Akim
            Akim 14 February 2014 11: 17
            0
            Quote: alexdol
            I’ll add, taking into account his answer, apparently he is from the YURYSTOV family, these well-known KRYUCHOTVOROV,

            Not waterdrops, but you fire in the right direction. And so that Maakrushnikov is not otmazyvayut - have iron evidence.
            1. alexdol
              alexdol 14 February 2014 12: 02
              +4
              Akim UA "No heat, but fire in the right direction."
              -----------------------------------------------------------------
              It so happened that you and I ended up in the same "country"! As you can see, I have guessed the direction of your activity! Then you have the cards in your hands, try to fight not in words but, specifically, in DEAL with our BANDIT power, try to protect my interests in court, using the so-called LAWS, which in fact turn into ILLEGALITY! If you agree, then write to my mail ...
          4. morpex
            morpex 14 February 2014 21: 47
            0
            Quote: alexdol
            And what is there to understand, everything is already clear - he is a JUSTICE

            Why so categorically? If a person has his own views on what is happening, which by the way he does not impose on anyone, he, what is the enemy by your classification? Or maybe he just loves his homeland? And he has as much as your soul hurts for her. I understand Kim that way. And believe me, he is not the enemy of Russia, and even more so of Ukraine ...
  2. Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 14 February 2014 11: 40
    0
    hi The synagogue of Kiev is located 1 km from the Maidan) they already asked for help from the Tan and NATO) if they were around ....... they would burn a dozen tires all Maidan immediately resolved) but the Kievans did not dry out the pack .....)
  3. morpex
    morpex 14 February 2014 21: 38
    +1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    I just don’t understand the Cossacks — you don’t have any energetic people — take the example of JEWS-e

    I will add: a paradoxical situation is taking shape! Cossacks! The color of the nation of the eastern regions is asking for help from another state! To protect them from a handful of two, three hundred members of "Svoboda" So let them take an example from these Svoboda people who are not afraid to go to the eastern regions and pump their rights there. Let them gather hundreds in Lugansk five real Cossacks, not "mummers" and will go to Lviv, tell there about their views on what is happening in Ukraine. I am sure that real Cossacks, and not rotten stuff, would have done so. And all these "applications" for help from the evil one. damn for such "Cossacks" ...
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 15 February 2014 00: 22
      0
      Greetings, Valery!
      Well, I could not stand it, so as not to comment on your writings!
      Quote: morpex
      Cossacks! The color of the nation of the eastern regions is asking for help from another state! To protect them from a handful of two, three hundred members of "Freedom"

      Have you read the article inattentively? Or deliberately exaggerate? request It's about protecting against a NATO invasion! For help to which the dumb head Yaytsenyuk was going to turn. Well, where does it say about protection from maydanutyh ??? Yes, these cretins in half a day Cossacks disperse whips without any help. And what will the Cossacks have to do in case of an invasion (well, imagine this) of NATO? With checkers on armored personnel carriers and machine guns? Or will NATO come here too with armature? Well, not miracles, but ... fool
      Quote: morpex
      Let them gather in Lugansk five hundred real Cossacks, and not "mummers" and go to Lviv, tell them about their views on what is happening in Ukraine.

      And you dare to say loudly about the mummers in Stanitsa Luganskaya, Voevodovka, Aleksandrovka, Kambrode? These settlements are three hundred or more years old. They still even have street names like this: "1st hundred", "3rd hundred", etc. (these are equestrian), "10th line", "23rd line", etc. etc. (these are scouts). Do you think the mummers live there?
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/645/unfg429.jpg
      And why the hell did the Cossacks forget in Lviv? Do we need it? Let the Banderlog not come here with their "heroes" and rotten Natsik ideology! Just nothing. No one is going to impose the eastern mentality on them, but no one will let them establish their Galician order in the Luhansk region. No.
      Quote: morpex
      I am sure that real Cossacks, and not rotten stuff, would have done so. And all these "applications" for help from the evil one. It's a shame to pancake for such "Cossacks" ...

      Are you sure that the Cossacks need to deal with the brain reduction of these degenerates? A lot of smart and adequate people live in the west, they themselves will figure out who is why. I probably heard that with his charter in a strange monastery ...? stop
      Do you feel ashamed of your reasoning like this? Or do you agree to accept the NATO members, like, they will put things in order here, and the Russians in their original land are foreigners ... sad
      1. morpex
        morpex 15 February 2014 19: 13
        0
        Quote: Jogan-64
        It's about protecting against a NATO invasion

        Hi Ivan. No, no. I just answered the comment. Do you really believe in such a development of events? Do you really think that the NATO members are all dumb-headed to such an extent that they will be able to conquer Ukraine? wassat
        Quote: Jogan-64
        And you risk loudly talking about the mummers in the Village of Lugansk, Voivodovka, Alexandrovka,

        Wang! I simply respect hereditary Cossacks. And I do not intend to offend them. Whatever views they adhere to (as in the civilian and for those and for those they fought for), but if I see after talking with them that they are dressed up I will say directly in the eyes, as I once said to our "Cossacks" in their area. Hundreds of former cops, mchsniks, firefighters, Vokhrovtsy knocked together, put on trinkets, pancake clowns.
        I also said that zapadentsy are not afraid to go to Lugansk and express their views. Why not the Cossacks to go to Lviv? Do you ask them if they need it? Well, for example, I do not divide Ukraine into two parts. I consider it one whole. The case occurred in the sick brains of our politicians. And they are trying their best to transfer this disease to the people. And in some places it works great for them. Unfortunately ...
        Quote: Jogan-64
        Are you sure that the Cossacks need to deal with the brain reduction of these degenerates?

        Why correct it! The hunchbacked grave will be corrected. Just go to hold your rally and show that people in the East think a little differently. So say, make a friendly return visit. Show that the people of the east of Ukraine are not drunk and not entirely gopniks, but smart, thinking and no less worried about the future of their country.
        Quote: Jogan-64
        A lot of smart and adequate people live in the west, they themselves will figure out who is why

        I agree. I always talk about this.
        Quote: Jogan-64
        Or do you agree to accept NATO

        Taki Vanya you could not resist, so as not to offend ... laughing Or apparently did not understand the meaning of what I wrote?
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 15 February 2014 23: 36
          0
          Quote: morpex
          Do you really believe in such a development of events? Do you really think that the NATO members are all stupid to the point that they will climb to fight Ukraine?

          You know, there is such a truth: hope for the best, and prepare for the worst. They are not stupid, but they will not miss theirs either. I do not suppose an open intrusion. Until. There are no prerequisites. But, there are no guarantees that these prerequisites will not appear. But foreign intervention, all the same, is evident here. You can brush it off, but it is. The management and financing of this coven is carried out from the US Embassy. What do you call it differently? And everything was led to the development of a power version.
          Quote: morpex
          They knocked together hundreds of former cops, martial artists, firefighters, enforcers, put on trinkets, pancake clowns.

          Well, here too, mummers sometimes appear, but basically here are real Cossack settlements of the Don Army. Our plastunas fought in WWII, for example. Special Cossack units established by the Decree of the USSR PVS.
          Quote: morpex
          I also said that zapadentsy are not afraid to go to Lugansk and express their views. Why would the Cossacks not go to Lviv?

          The impudent Bandera rides here, who imagines that all of Ukraine is their Ukraine and must live by their rules. So, upon arrival here, you just need to unscrew the Bosko immediately and start up fertilizer. They will not perceive dialogue unambiguously!
          Quote: morpex
          The division occurred in the sick brains of our politicians. And they are trying with might and main to transfer this disease to the people.

          The division actually took place 500 years ago. We, East and West, are different. This must be recognized and not to meddle with each other with their own rules. Nah I need here, for example, a monument to theirs Bandera? For me, he will remain a Nazi soldier. And politicians simply use this "division", covering up their selfish interests.
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 15 February 2014 23: 38
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            So to say, make a friendly return visit. To show that people in the east of Ukraine are not drunk and not entirely gopniks, but smart, thinking and no less worried about the future of their country.

            For the sake of curiosity, Valera, have you been to Lviv? Or even in those parts? I was. I talked. I will not go into details, but there are two opinions. One is theirs, the other is wrong. And I am a mock provocateur and it is useless to tell them anything else. Therefore there is nothing for us to do there at all. Drive them from here to the neck, along with their ideology and, at least, federalization.
            Quote: morpex
            Taki Vanya you could not resist, so as not to offend ...

            Again, you saw an insult somewhere? request
            "And all these" applications "for help from the evil one. It's a shame damn for such" Cossacks "..." - your phrase? Yatsenyuk calls on NATO troops for help. This, then, is normal. Cossacks, notice that - in response to a possible NATO invasion, if this happens, they call on Russia to help. Something is wrong? So I asked you a question about your priorities. You didn’t say anything about calls to NATO, but you were outraged by calls to Russia. Do not find one-sidedness in judgments? And where, what is the insult ??? belay
  • Syrzhn
    Syrzhn 14 February 2014 07: 10
    +6
    Go out in your city with a knife and a club to the street and put things in order. And then from places not so distant, share your experience with your comrades.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 14 February 2014 07: 18
    +1
    Quote: Apache
    went to Moscow ...
    And how did the Cossacks you mentioned "distinguish themselves" in this "campaign"?

    You did not mention it, but I will supplement it, together with the Poles, the massacres of Muscovites, robberies and the general rape of the nuns of the Novodevichy Convent.
    However, in the monastery, the "co-religionists" "came off in full" without the Poles, apparently taking revenge "for the future" "for the oppression of Ukrainians" ...

    Exactly FOR THE FUTURE, because the notorious "M * skaly" in those days on the outskirts and never seen ... Trouble was in Mother Russia, there was no time for the Outskirts ...

    MINUS to you for ignorance of history and bravado by the unsightly facts of the UKRAINIAN Cossacks ...
    1. Apache
      Apache 14 February 2014 07: 24
      +1
      Quote: Corsair
      MINUS to you for ignorance of history and bravado by the unsightly facts of the UKRAINIAN Cossacks ...

      I know the history, I am also familiar with the history of the Cossacks. What makes you think that it was the campaign against Moscow that became unsightly, or did these lads in the remaining campaigns voted on the Geneva Convention? Or is it an unsightly fact for you because Russia became a victim of the Cossacks? By the way, then tell us about Azov, about how the king the priest returned it back to the Basurmans.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 14 February 2014 07: 42
        +2
        Quote: Apache
        Or is it an unsightly fact for you because Russia became a victim of the Cossacks?

        Speaking in alliance with the Polish Catholics (who oppressed the Ukrainians themselves, but this is a different story) against Russia weakened by strife, the Orthodox Kozaks took part in a predatory campaign, fulfilling the will of the suzerain, and had no other goals except LIVING ...
        That, in other matters, after a very short time did not prevent (after the former "allies" had inserted "candles" in the form of stakes into the sphincter ...) to ask for help and citizenship from the Russian tsar.
        1. Apache
          Apache 14 February 2014 08: 03
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          ORTHODOX Cossacks took part in a predatory campaign, carrying out the will of the suzerain t, they had no goals other than LIVING ...

          Here you are right, and clearly outlined the goal of the Cossacks - robbery. Which, however, does not plead with their merits, the nation of warriors, by definition, cannot live by anything other than war and the accompanying robberies.
          Quote: Corsair
          That, in other matters, after a very short time did not prevent (after the former "allies" had inserted "candles" in the form of stakes into the sphincter ...) to ask for help and citizenship from the Russian tsar.

          I already mentioned about Azov, take away the tsar’s priest’s fortress, the tsar’s tsar was frightened. The Kozaks were not afraid to stand against the whole Ottoman Empire, and the king the priest was afraid. Well, all right, you have your own view on their role in history, I have my own.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 14 February 2014 08: 44
            +3
            Quote: Apache
            warrior nation

            With all due respect to the Cossacks (which existed in the Republic of Ingushetia in the framework of decrees of Mother Catherine the Great), I note that there is no Nation of Cossacks, there is a COMMUNITY of people united by the cause of protecting the Fatherland and the foundations of the state, its pillars ...

            The early Ukrainian Cossacks can be called a motley (and multi-tribal, with different religions!) Gang united into a single military "collective" by greed and fear of the gentry, Tatars and Turks ... Therefore, bizarre forms of self-government were laid and the questions of "what enemy to fight " etc...
            1. Apache
              Apache 14 February 2014 08: 48
              -1
              Quote: Corsair
              With all due respect to the Cossacks (which existed in the Republic of Ingushetia in the framework of decrees of Mother Catherine the Great), I note that there is no Nation of Cossacks, there is a COMMUNITY of people united by the cause of protecting the Fatherland and the foundations of the state, its pillars ...

              And before the decree of mother there were no Cossacks? Well, I don’t know, I don’t know ... As for the nation, I am still inclined to believe that it was precisely the nation that was great, but that was the point. What I see today, the crowd scared gardeners, in Ukraine, in Russia. By the way, the branch below is a prime example.
              Eh, but still the warriors were first-class, so do not say guys walked from the heart.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 14 February 2014 09: 00
                +3
                Quote: Apache
                And before the decree of mother there were no Cossacks? Well, I don’t know, I don’t know ...

                HISTORY KNOWS that Catherine abruptly pressed a reckless Cossack freemen, by her decrees legalized the status of the Cossacks ...
                For the Cossacks there were two ways:
                either with the state or against it ...
                And they made their historic choice.

                And from this fact, both the Cossacks and the state received a mutual advantage.
                1. Apache
                  Apache 14 February 2014 09: 11
                  -1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  And from this fact, both the Cossacks and the state received a mutual advantage.

                  I agree with that. But there are no Cossacks, no Empire.
              2. CALL.
                CALL. 14 February 2014 09: 56
                +2
                Quote: Apache
                And before the decree of mother there were no Cossacks? Well, I don’t know, I don’t know ... As for the nation, I am still inclined to believe that it was precisely the nation that was great, but that was the point.

                Cossacks (Ukrainian. Kozaki, in the annals also: Cherkasy) are ethno-social groups that at different times possessed independent military, political and estate privileges and distinguished by virtue of cultural specificity. Initially, they lived in the steppes and forest-steppes of Eastern Europe, in particular in the territory of modern Ukraine and Russia; subsequently settled also in the Middle and Lower Volga, Cis-Urals, modern Kazakhstan, Siberia and the Far East. Until the XNUMXth century, Russia also had a special category of service people - city Cossacks. In the XIX-XX centuries. in official documents of the Russian Empire, the word "Cossack" denoted a person belonging to the Cossack estate and a state in which the population of several Russian regions was included, who had special rights and duties and at the same time designated a serviceman of the armed forces of the Russian Empire, mainly cavalry and horse artillery and lower rank of Cossack troops.
              3. Djozz
                Djozz 14 February 2014 13: 27
                +1
                Well, then the nobility and the merchants, etc. not an estate, but a nation! My distant ancestors came out of the Zaporizhzhya Sich and were Black Sea Cossacks, but on this basis, I can not consider myself a Cossack.
        2. atalef
          atalef 14 February 2014 08: 21
          -2
          Quote: Corsair
          Quote: Apache
          Or is it an unsightly fact for you because Russia became a victim of the Cossacks?

          Speaking in alliance with the Polish Catholics (who oppressed the Ukrainians themselves, but this is a different story) against Russia weakened by strife, the Orthodox Kozaks took part in a predatory campaign, fulfilling the will of the suzerain, and had no other goals except LIVING ...
          That, in other matters, after a very short time did not prevent (after the former "allies" had inserted "candles" in the form of stakes into the sphincter ...) to ask for help and citizenship from the Russian tsar.

          so the addition is small, to the history of the Ukrainian Cossacks, with the hetman Mazepa, on the side of Karl, who fought against Peter? For whom was the order of Judah made?
          As Ukrainian .... No way, but lives in a separate state and calls for the introduction of the armed forces of another state - he is drawn to an article in the Criminal Code. So cool - cope on your own in your own land, in your own country, but how they were (sorry God) and remained - the sons of Mazepa
          1. Apache
            Apache 14 February 2014 08: 52
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            so the addition is small, to the history of the Ukrainian Cossacks, with the hetman Mazepa, on the side of Karl, who fought against Peter? For whom was the order of Judah made?

            I somehow relate to peoples and nations, but your post made me laugh. It’s kind of softer to say, but it’s not for the person of your nation to talk about the Cossacks :) Well, the Order of Judah has a completely different people, and has been wearing it for two millennia :)
            Do not be offended, but it was funny :)
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 14 February 2014 10: 54
              0
              Quote: Apache
              Do not be offended, but it was funny :)

              Apache, well, finally, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
            2. atalef
              atalef 14 February 2014 20: 59
              0
              Quote: Apache
              but not the person of your nation to talk about the Cossacks :)

              Cossacks as a standard of honesty and honor. They made a laugh. At least God forgive me for the foreign troops did not run and did not fight against our own - like the Kazakhs.
              Take as an example at least the Middle Ages, at least the civilian, but in WWII - I’m generally silent
              Throughout history, they served four powers: Russia, Poland, Sweden (Mazepa and Gordienko) and Germany (Kosakenlager),

              Hitler - you can still add laughing
              Quote: Apache
              Well, the Order of Judah bears a completely different people, and for the past two millennia it wears :)

              \ At the same time, you pray for another Jew and his apostle Jews - do not you find some humor in this?
              Do not be offended, but it was funny :)

              Come on, have a laugh together laughing
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 14 February 2014 22: 35
                0
                Quote: atalef
                At least God forgive me for foreign troops did not run

                No, you, God forbid, ran around the world, served all the sovereigns.
                Quote: atalef
                did not fight against their own

                It’s also true, they didn’t fight, so they destroyed it under Hitler (the earth was broken glass for him)
                Quote: atalef
                Hitler - you can still add

                Already.
                Quote: atalef
                At the same time, you pray for another Jew and his apostles' Jews - do not find some humor in this

                Well, actually he’s from Galilee, that is ... a Galilean laughing
          2. aviamed90
            aviamed90 14 February 2014 09: 12
            +8
            atalef

            Read carefully.

            "... the chieftain of the Lugansk district of the Don Cossacks ..."
            "We, the Don Cossacks, devoted to the Orthodox faith, the Fatherland and the Don, by the will of the Lord are on the territory of the brotherly Russian state of Ukraine ..."

            Actually, the chieftain was talking about Don Cossacks.

            If you are not aware, these lands used to be part of the Don Army Region.

            "Stanitsa Luganskaya - is the only Don village on the lands of modern Ukraine and the center of the Stanichno-Lugansk region of the Luhansk region. Located on the Seversky Donets. Population: 15 people (700), 1975 people (14) a large number of the population are Don Cossacks." (CPSU)
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 14 February 2014 10: 07
              +3
              Quote: aviamed90
              If you are not aware, these lands used to be part of the Don Army Region.
              If I am not mistaken, this "partially" extended to Yuzovka (present-day Donetsk), which was part of the Yekaterinoslav province.
              (According to the map from the encyclopedia of Brckhaus and Efron)
              1. aviamed90
                aviamed90 14 February 2014 10: 15
                +1
                Corsair

                I meant the territory of the current Lugansk region.
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                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 14 February 2014 10: 36
                  +3
                  Quote: aviamed90
                  I meant the territory of the current Lugansk region.

                  Yes, in the Republic of Ingushetia, part of the current Lugansk region was part of the Kharkov province (in particular, Lysychansk), and part of the Don Army ...

                  This is me right now, "clever", because with the card "checked"wink lol
            2. atalef
              atalef 14 February 2014 20: 55
              0
              Quote: aviamed90
              "... the chieftain of the Lugansk district of the Don Cossacks ..."
              "We, the Don Cossacks, devoted to the Orthodox faith, the Fatherland and the Don, by the will of the Lord are on the territory of the brotherly Russian state of Ukraine ..."

              If they consider themselves Russians, why are they speaking on behalf of Ukraine?
              The story with the Germans of the Sudetenland and Utility - does not resemble anything?
          3. revnagan
            revnagan 14 February 2014 14: 32
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            so the addition is small, to the history of the Ukrainian Cossacks, with the hetman Mazepa, on the side of Karl, who fought against Peter? For whom was the order of Judah made?

            On the side of Karlushi 12, as many as 300 Cossacks fought together with Mazepa. Ukraine, its Orthodox people, Cossacks did not follow Mazepa. And you probably have a genetic memory and resentment. Yes, yes, resentment against the Cossacks who punished your fellow tribesmen on ours I want to clarify right away what I mean by events of the 16-17th centuries when representatives of your people rented Orthodox churches from Polish lords, and Ukrainian peasants had to pay money to the lessee for their ceremonies. In addition, a representative of your people was engaged usury at the highest interest rates and contained shreds where Orthodox people were soldered. Therefore, the attitude of violent, armed and free Cossacks towards your compatriots in Ukraine was appropriate. And this attitude still lives in your genes, which proves your post. By the way, I’ll ask Do not weave the Holocaust into my post, this is a completely different topic.
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 February 2014 20: 53
              +1
              Quote: revnagan
              On the side of Karlushi 12, as many as 300 Cossacks fought together with Mazepa.


              10000 - be more precise
              The Swedes, in addition to the three thousandth detachment of Mazepa, were later joined by a part of the Zaporizhzhya army under the command of the ataman Konstantin Gordienko in an amount of up to 7 thousand people. “It is remarkable that the Cossacks, who always held the interests of the mob in the fight against the Cossack foreman, this time declared a demand that was disgusting to both Peter and Mazepa so that there was no foreman in Little Russia and that the whole people be free Cossacks, as in Sich "[28]
              .
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 14 February 2014 22: 37
                0
                Quote: atalef
                The Swedes, in addition to the three thousandth detachment of Mazepa, were later joined by a part of the Zaporozhye army under the command of the ataman Konstantin Gordienko in an amount of up to 7

                Where is the quote from the forest, apparently ...
        3. tundra
          tundra 14 February 2014 09: 26
          +4
          Here I am always surprised by the desire to slander my own story. Well, it was life being said. Have you ever heard that, Anglo-Saxons, French or Germans (WWII), about their history and ancestors SO RESPOND. Auge of skeletons in their closet with her. They have a gangster-maniac as a national hero. Yes, and now they are gangsters. I think so the program of the distance, which has already influenced someone., A sense of guilt for its great history has already been instilled.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 14 February 2014 10: 17
            +1
            Quote: tundra
            Here I am always surprised by the desire to slander my own story.

            You propose to "dry your head" over who is your comment addressed to?
  • Kazakh
    Kazakh 14 February 2014 08: 17
    +3
    give the checkers to the museum and go to work at least as janitors
    do not you advise the Cossacks to hand out the analyst bake
    You are not Cossacks, you are so snot in the wind.
    Well, tell me what the hero of the TWELFTH OKOPA is famous for, and we will marvel at the hat and take off the chieftains, we will choose to follow you. and if you are silent, then run to your bare-footed Apaches and play strategy there .............. here you are
    1. Apache
      Apache 14 February 2014 08: 27
      -2
      Quote: Kazakh
      Kazakh

      Good mister, you have mixed something up. I spoke about the Cossacks, and not about the Kazakhs. However, your Turkic-speaking people cannot boast of anything at all.
      1. Kazakh
        Kazakh 14 February 2014 09: 37
        +3
        Good mister, you have mixed something up. I spoke about the Cossacks, and not about the Kazakhs.
        Cute friend from a distant American reservation tell us how the Apaches are doing, what are the views on the bison harvest in the entom year, if the roof of your wigwam didn’t penetrate or if the tomahawk rusted in your head? And now, about some serious individual thinking, serious ones think that if KAZAKH is written on the avatar, then the Kazakh is sitting there if the Corsair then the pirate writes on the schooner if the KAA then the snake prints with its tail if Starfish is the star who writes sea comments. I assure you that this is not so under different nicknames, different people are hiding and you don’t know this only because you are still young and stupid. And nickname KAZAKH despite the fact that I am an ethnic Cossack I took out of respect for the people among whom I lived for a long time and have bright feelings
        1. Apache
          Apache 14 February 2014 12: 56
          -1
          Quote: Kazakh
          i am ethnic cossack

          I put on a whip not in an adult store bought, a checker not in the nearest souvenir shop, George Crosses not hanging on the chest? Not?! And what kind of Cossacks are they can’t put things in order in their hut.
          Now the Cossacks are sitting and spit down - the descendants of the foreign king are calling to restore order in the hut. Shame and shame. However, I gave my definition of jesters above.
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 14 February 2014 11: 34
    +1
    hi I'm sorry) But what do you dislike about the patrimonial chieftain RUBAN from the Great Jordanian army ..... ???? he is no worse than the Cossack Urgant from TelAvideniya) we also announced Birobidzhan Cossacks pioneers of Siberia)))))
  • thinking
    thinking 14 February 2014 11: 37
    0
    In vain minus the Apache, he meant that the Cossacks are such a nation that it itself must restore order without seeking help, and moreover, it is easy to restore.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 14 February 2014 12: 36
      +1
      Quote: thinking
      In vain minus the Apache, he meant that the Cossacks are such a nation

      Nationality - a historical community of people arising from individual tribes during the collapse of tribal relations, at an early stage of feudalism based on subsistence farming, before the emergence of strong economic ties and a single economy.

      What are you talking about? Where are the signs of "nationality"?
      Yes, the Cossacks are a special alloy of peoples, but not NATION, NOT PEOPLE ...

      Sholokhov said well about this in his great "Quiet Don".
      And let's stop at his definition of the term "Cossacks" ...
      1. Apache
        Apache 14 February 2014 13: 00
        -2
        Quote: Corsair
        NATION, NOT PEOPLE ...

        Kaps lok stuck.
  • Black
    Black 14 February 2014 13: 23
    +2
    Quote: Apache
    You are not Cossacks, you are so snot in the wind.

    Well, what are we Cossacks, you- helicopter man- do not judge. Because how stupid you are!
    1. xan
      xan 14 February 2014 14: 19
      +1
      There lived a man, he had glorious ancestors and the state and people. Then suddenly it turned out that the history of his people is the history of the invaders, and the correct history is the history of Bandera and Shukhevych. Here, any hand will reach for a holster, figuratively speaking.
      Let Ukrainians defend their Ukraine, who needs it, but Russian lands with the people should be in Russia. This will be fair.
  • Syrzhn
    Syrzhn 14 February 2014 07: 00
    +1
    Nobody has read Bobrov's "The Era of the Stillborn" in Ukraine ?!
  • treskoed
    treskoed 14 February 2014 07: 11
    +1
    We, namely the Cossacks, had no clashes with the Maidanut people there. We were scolded, but we did not give any answer. Just stood for order.

    Correctly scolded, if you are such a "formidable force" - put things in order in your country, disperse the maydanutyh yourself - legally and fairly! And if you cry and whine - take off your uniform !!!
    1. Kazakh
      Kazakh 14 February 2014 09: 59
      +3
      Correctly scolded if you are such a "formidable force
      and we didn’t boast of our formidable strength, we only get on our feet and therefore we can’t put things in order. I can ask your angry comment how you Russians roamed such a COUNTRY since you are the most menacing? Why do Chechens dance on your Red Square why do you call cars with dagans at the grave of an unknown soldier that you are not formidable? I apologize to all the adequate RUSSIAN but what the question is and the answer.
      1. Black
        Black 14 February 2014 13: 26
        +2
        Quote: Kazakh
        how did you Russian prosrali such a country since you are the most formidable of all? Why do you have Chechens dancing in Red Square


        Well, brethren .... washed us !? And there is nothing to argue.
      2. xan
        xan 15 February 2014 13: 34
        -1
        Quote: Kazakh
        Why do you have Chechens dancing in Red Square

        they didn’t dance on Red Square, now they don’t dance at all
        Quote: Kazakh
        why do you have a car with dugs stop at the grave of an unknown soldier

        as my teacher said, in life you can do anything, but some things once. Real enemies played in a box, in their place new ones come not so serious, but they also do not last long. The mayor of Makhachkala in prison, the authorities and banks are cleaning throughout the North Caucasus, Kadyrov perfectly understands who is who does not jump higher.
        Quote: Chen
        Well, brethren .... washed us !? And there is nothing to argue.

        you think you’ve washed yourself, go dry yourself, but don’t have to answer for everyone, offended
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 14 February 2014 07: 37
    +4
    They need a referendum in all areas who do not agree with Western colonization, but there is no clear procedural rule to conduct one in Ukraine, which means that the results of any R. can be recognized as invalid later. Thus, right now, they need to take any ACTING law of another state and mediate it to the Ukrainian legal system. After gaining legal force, the law on the referendum (popular: you need a plebiscite, that is, the will of the people to determine the fate of the corresponding territory), take the Swiss one working)), besides, if everything is done with the same accuracy as in Switzerland - west e. halo will close because such a referendum is nothing but the most important institution of direct democracy. I mean that Western nits need to be nailed by their own methods ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 February 2014 10: 08
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      They need a referendum in all areas who do not agree with Western colonization,

      Actually, there is a provision on a referendum in the Constitution. In short, the meaning is “collect 4 million signatures for holding a referendum on such and such an issue, and the government MUST hold it. The whole point is that they don’t give signatures !!! But it’s not over yet !!!
      KPU initiates the introduction of Ukraine the right to dual citizenship, federalization of the country and the provision of the Russian language the status of the second state.

      This was communist leader Petro Symonenko said at a press conference, reports RBC-Ukraine.

      “It is necessary to change the state system from a unitary to a federal one in order to save the territorial integrity of Ukraine ... It is necessary to introduce a second state language - Russian, after the referendum,” Simonenko is convinced.

      The communist added that his party insists that Ukraine should fix its neutral status so as not to be involved in various political games.
  • Lk17619
    Lk17619 14 February 2014 07: 55
    +4
    appeal of the Cossacks to Vladimir Putin with a request to provide military support to Ukraine.


    Yeah, right now he ran away. He cannot restore order with the Caucasus, and in Ukraine he will not be able to. Only to you.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 14 February 2014 08: 13
      +3
      Quote: Lk17619
      He can not

      Quote: Lk17619
      Only for you

      Do you think the Russians are NOT bringing order to the Caucasus themselves?
      Putin is just a leader, yes, with his own personal and "general" shortcomings ...
      But whatever it was, he largely solved the Caucasus problem.
      1. Apache
        Apache 14 February 2014 08: 24
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        But whatever it was, he largely solved the Caucasus problem.

        The problem of the Caucasus was solved by 18-year-old Russian boys, far from Putin. Putin to the Chechen fighters hung the highest military awards on a breast.
        1. tungus
          tungus 14 February 2014 09: 03
          +3
          Quote: Apache
          The problem of the Caucasus was solved by 18-year-old Russian boys, far from Putin. Putin to the Chechen fighters hung the highest military awards on a breast.

          True? Do you remember the first Chechen, or age does not allow? There, the same eighteen-year-old boys died, but only the EBN was in power, and as a result, the Khasavyurt. And de facto independent Chechnya. As well as terrorist attacks all over Russia, kidnapping, hostage-taking and the real prospect of turning the entire northern Caucasus into a Wahhabi caliphate with all the consequences.
          And this ass ended only with the coming to power of GDP. He solved the problem of Chechnya. I decided the same way they solved such problems during the RI. He pulled the least frostbitten to his side, endowed them with power, and now these former bandits are wetting the current bandits and do not even stutter about separation from Russia. And what's more, now Chechnya is the safest of all the republics of the North Caucasus. And the eighteen-year-old boys no longer die there, for the sake of the income of the oligarchic freaks. But in your opinion, this all by itself happened, right?
          1. Apache
            Apache 14 February 2014 09: 09
            0
            Quote: tungus
            Truth? Do you remember the first Chechen, or age does not allow?

            The link to my age, first of all, speaks of your age.
            Quote: tungus
            I decided the same way they solved such problems during the RI. He pulled the least frostbitten to his side, endowed them with power, and now these former bandits are wetting the current bandits and do not even stutter about separation from Russia.

            Actually, you yourself answered the question, in fact, I wrote about this - I hung the killers of Russian soldiers on the chest of the Order.
            Quote: tungus
            But in your opinion, this all by itself happened, right?

            Well, of course you are not. not by itself, but by the will of Allah, which Chechnya allocates fantastic amounts.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 14 February 2014 09: 22
              +2
              Quote: Apache
              Actually, you yourself answered the question, in fact, I wrote about this - I hung the killers of Russian soldiers on the chest of the Order.

              Tsar of Russianpursuing his policy in the Caucasus, he did not shy away from pleasing the princes there, distributing, among other things, lands in the European part of the country ...
              Politics must not only be built by war, sometimes a compromise is vital.
              1. Apache
                Apache 14 February 2014 09: 30
                -1
                Quote: Corsair
                Politics must not only be built by war, sometimes a compromise is vital.

                100% yes !!! But it is precisely a compromise when both sides find mutually beneficial conditions. Now we pay tribute. This is not a compromise.
                1. 31231
                  31231 14 February 2014 13: 11
                  0
                  100% yes !!! But it is precisely a compromise when both sides find mutually beneficial conditions. Now we pay tribute. This is not a compromise.

                  Isn't that the Apache that is with Ucom?
            2. tungus
              tungus 14 February 2014 10: 07
              +6
              Quote: Apache
              The link to my age, first of all, speaks about your age

              The reference to age is an attempt to justify your reticence and not the ability to see the situation as a whole.
              What Putin did in Chechnya was the only right thing at that time. And the appointment of Mufti Akhmat Kadyrov to the post of head of the Chechen administration by an ingenious move.
              I will explain. Kadyrov, Mufti of Chechnya, or spiritual leader. He is a supporter of Sufi Islam. Traditional for Chechnya and the entire northern Caucasus. And the Wahhabis fought a war with Russia. Sufism and Wahhabism are something like Sunnis and Shiites. Why do you think Ramzan calls all these freaks shaitans? Because for traditional Chechen Islam, Wahhabism is heresy and Satanism.
              So, having drawn Kadyrov to his side and appointing him the head of Chechnya, Putin transferred the Chechen war from an interfaith conflict between Christians and Muslims to a war of immigrant frostbitten Wahhabis with traditional Caucasian Islam. That is, the Chechens began to fight not against the infidel Russians, but against the Wahhabi shaitans.
              A stroke of genius.
              As for the awarding of orders ...
              You know, in a civil war there are no right-wingers. Everyone is to blame. But the merits of ending the civil war, the merits of destroying bandits and terrorists should be rewarded. And this is again in the tradition of the Republic of Ingushetia. Nothing new. The king gave the nobility to surrender to Imam Shamil in 1859. Kadyrov-made a hero of Russia. And now Kadyrov is Putin’s most loyal person in the entire North Caucasus. And it will never go against Russia.
              This is called the imperial approach in domestic politics. And you are probably from the liberals. You advocate the secession of the Caucasus, since they have reminded about the financing of Chechnya. But Chechnya is not the only subsidized region of Russia. There are more than half of them. What, will we separate everyone?
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 14 February 2014 09: 17
            0
            Quote: tungus
            And this ass ended only with the coming to power of GDP. He solved the problem of Chechnya. I decided the same way they solved such problems during the RI. He pulled the least frostbitten to his side, endowed them with power, and now these former bandits are wetting the current bandits and do not even stutter about separation from Russia. And what's more, now Chechnya is the safest of all the republics of the North Caucasus. And the eighteen-year-old boys no longer die there, for the sake of the income of the oligarchic freaks. But in your opinion, this all by itself happened, right?

            Unfortunately, not everyone understands this ... They are looking for from the GOOD (albeit tiny) something ephemeral ...
        2. Black
          Black 14 February 2014 13: 30
          +4
          Quote: Apache
          The problem of the Caucasus was solved by 18-year-old Russian boys


          How old are you, couple?
          If you are a red girl, whip the braid further, what to take from you ...
          If the youth is unreasonable, it’s not scary, the heat heals time.
          Worse if you are a husband held ....
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      2. Lk17619
        Lk17619 14 February 2014 09: 34
        +3
        Quote: Corsair
        Do you think the Russians are NOT bringing order to the Caucasus themselves?
        Putin is just a leader, yes, with his own personal and "general" shortcomings ...
        But whatever it was, he largely solved the Caucasus problem.

        Put things in order yourself ?! Can not? We can't! And the reason to say ?? If someone from the Russian-speaking starts to "download the rights" as well as the Caucasian, they sculpt article 282 at once? Did he solve the problem at the state level? No! These "comrades" very much began to creep into the adjacent regions to the Caucasus and establish their feudal order. And Kadyrov? In the first Chechen war he killed our boys, and now he is the president! That's how he solved the problem. And this is not a decision, he only delayed this decision in time.
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 14 February 2014 11: 27
          +1
          Ivan and Gosha (Apache and LK17619)) are closer to the truth than Corsair and Tungus ...
          Although the truth is everyone has their own ....

          EVERYTHING is not over with Chechnya. It is an "instrument" of certain forces that manipulate Volodya, this unfortunate President married to Kobaeva))))
          "D E L O" has been postponed, it will develop according to two scenarios - the MONEY runs out (the subsidies of "Allah Vladimirovich are stopped)) and We get ethnic gangs with FSB crusts and GOLDEN STECHINS in our cities.
          Since there is no one to take money from Chechnya ....
          Considering my "Petersburg experience" the Czechs will first of all rush to their former owners, because they know what and where can be taken away (these are the generals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, etc.))
          Only then businessmen, officials and People are simpler ....

          I am a supporter, so to speak. Give them a bit to clean up the society ......
          Here you need the BRAIN, of course, because when they get stronger in the idea that all the "traitors" in the Russian People can begin a "cleanup" according to Criminal Law, Morality and the norms of the Social Community .... (keep your karma)))
          Parasites have spread both "black" and "elitist" - therefore, the People's PAUSE is needed so that they clean each other ...

          Putin’s surname is GOOD, remember, it was RAS-PUTIN (adviser to the Romanovs)), in fact it is a PROGRAM that performs its functions that it does not even suspect ....
          And note, SAY the right things (and beautiful (appeals to the people)))
          But DOES NOT DO ANYTHING — although such a function is provided by the PROGRAM .... And it is being pushed, remember FSO officers were pressured in the face, Shevchuk uttered CODE WORDS ...... etc. - it didn’t work ....
          So the second Option is included .... here I CAN'T write anything ....
          I can only say that there will be a few HARD on the "elites"
          The people, in principle, will not feel anything and will welcome the deposition of "the hero of Russia Kadyrov" and those guilty of THIS will be punished)))

          Chechnya is a tool in constructions, judging by how it was sharpened, the "Kremlin" will be turned up with it, and the number of mountain peoples will begin to be reduced (since the BLOODY eviction of Russians from Grozny, Shelkovskaya, Gudermes, NOBODY FORGOTTEN)))
          But so that the comrades do not break the spears, it is only my assumptions))))
          1. Lk17619
            Lk17619 14 February 2014 14: 27
            0
            Quote: Asgard
            But to prevent comrades from breaking spears


            I would like not to break, but it really painfully boiled over in my soul ... They wouldn’t show off so much and no one would touch them.
        2. 31231
          31231 14 February 2014 13: 16
          +1
          If someone from the Russian-speaking starts to "download the rights" as well as the Caucasian, they sculpt article 282 at once?


          I don’t understand, you are justifying our Natsik here, who have gone along 282?
          In this case, you probably condemn the Ukrainian Natsik bender ?! And how do they differ?
          And those and those scumbags.
          1. Lk17619
            Lk17619 14 February 2014 14: 39
            +2
            Quote: 31231
            I don’t understand, you are justifying our Natsik here, who have gone along 282?

            Natsik I justify ????? Did I even say a word about them ??? I wrote in a commentary about the neighboring regions of the Caucasus. Just say there against "these" and it doesn't matter if you are an ordinary citizen or a Natsik, they can cover up in places not so distant. Chat with people who live near the Caucasus or take a ride there and see.
  • major071
    major071 14 February 2014 08: 17
    +10
    Despite all the requests, Russia will not send troops to Ukraine, because this is all that is expected of it in the West, so that later NATO troops could be deployed and bring "democracy" to the "oppressed" people of Ukraine. And this means a full-scale war, albeit without the use of nuclear weapons. Besides, you and I don't know what kind of backstage struggle is going on there. hi
  • shitovmg
    shitovmg 14 February 2014 09: 11
    +1
    I completely agree, the people of Ukraine must decide their fate! From us only support, no Russian troops should be. If it comes to that, then the whole Ukraine will have to be occupied, no separation and other fantasies!
  • Naum
    Naum 14 February 2014 09: 15
    +3
    The introduction of Russian troops into Ukraine is unthinkable and is not necessary under any pretext. If, more than the aspirations and God forbid, the hostilities begin there, then the help of Russian volunteers is possible, as and Cossacks - as was the case in Yugoslavia, but on an even larger scale. Not much will seem. State armed intervention can provoke another outbreak of the Third World War.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 14 February 2014 09: 38
      +3
      Naum


      Will we sit at the TV and watch how Russians are cut out in Ukraine?

      If NATO enters there, we will simply be forced to respond.
      Proceeding, first of all, from the interests of his country.
      And the majority of the population in the eastern regions of Ukraine, the Odessa region and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea will support Russia.
      And if we don’t help, then we will find ourselves in the position of a poor relative.

      If you forget, a similar scenario was in Yugoslavia.
      They allowed NATO to drown this country in the blood and got the result. But if we had helped then, everything could have turned out differently.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 15 February 2014 13: 06
        0
        Quote: aviamed90
        Will we sit at the TV and watch how Russians are cut out in Ukraine?
        Do you think Russians will let themselves be cut? Russians in Ukraine consider themselves% 60 of the population ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 15 February 2014 13: 45
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          Russians in Ukraine consider themselves% 60 of the population ...

          Mina alone. Although, I still consider myself Russian in spirit.
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 14 February 2014 09: 29
    +4
    The Ukrainians themselves are slowly beginning to see clearly, everyone is already tired of these showdowns. I judge by the example of my brother-in-law: if at the beginning of the Maidan he was an ardent European integrator, now he already says that he doesn’t need such integration - his small auto business is bursting at the seams, the hryvnia is falling, the people are impoverished. Time works for us, so there is no need to make any sudden movements, just not much to drain dirt on the leaders of the Maidan on the Internet. Let the people see who goes ahead in their leaders!
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 14 February 2014 09: 33
    +5
    From Donets to Don - Russian land!
    Lugansk district of the Don Cossacks is the largest public organization of the Lugansk region. The district is an integral part of the Great Don Army.
  • Yurich
    Yurich 14 February 2014 09: 45
    0
    Well, for example, it is not necessary to send our troops to Ukraine, they are already there, but touch on what can be worked out according to the "Abkhazia - Ossetia 2008" option
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 14 February 2014 09: 56
      0
      Yurich

      Do you mean Crimea?

      But what about the rest of Ukraine?
  • Akim
    Akim 14 February 2014 09: 56
    +3
    I repeat for those who have not heard !!!. PERMISSION FOR THE ADMISSION OF FOREIGN TROOPS MAY ONLY BE GIVEN BY THE UKRAINIAN PARLIAMENT.
    N no Rabbits-Yatsenyuki, nor any atamans, with their pieces of paper represent the people of Ukraine. It doesn’t matter what decision comes from the West or East to attempt an occupation. I will consider any foreign troops brought into Ukrainian land to be the aggressor. And the separatists, as they say - according to the law of war ...
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 14 February 2014 09: 59
      +1
      Akim

      So the Ukrainian parliament will decide to turn to NATO for help.

      And what about the regions with the Russian population? They will be asked?
      1. Akim
        Akim 14 February 2014 10: 05
        +1
        Quote: aviamed90
        So the Ukrainian parliament will decide to turn to NATO for help.

        All regions are represented in the Supreme Council. This is a diligent democracy. If he makes such a decision (which is unlikely), it will be the decision of Ukraine, and not a handful of egregious banderlogs or Cossacks.
        1. aviamed90
          aviamed90 14 February 2014 10: 14
          0
          Akim

          You can not tell about the "chosen people of the people" who "express" the will of the people.

          We have the same gentlemen in the Duma.

          "Among the people's deputies of the VII convocation, at least 44 parliamentarians in 2012 received income of more than 1 million hryvnia, and another 15 deputies had more than a million hryvnia in the total annual family income.

          This is reported by the Public Movement “Honestly”, referring to an analysis of the declarations of 183 parliamentarians made public or received in response to the appeal of the movement.

          “Honestly” notes that as of May 17, contrary to the requirements of the law, the property declarations of the 261 deputy (mainly representatives of factions of the Party of Regions and the Communist Party of Ukraine) remained inaccessible to the public - they were not published in the official publication of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine “Voice of Ukraine”, on the parliament’s web portal, in other publicly available sources, and not provided in response to the appeal of the movement.

          According to the data received by the movement, the largest income in the 2012 year was received by the regional Sergey Tigipko - 40 630 727,3 UAH. In second place is the leader of the UDAR party, Vitaliy Klitschko (40 011 204 UAH), in third place is the representative of the PR fraction (UIO No. 196, Cherkasy Region) Gennady Bobov (39 605 926 UAH).

          The rating of the most financially successful women is headed by the representative of Batkivshchyna Irina Lutsenko (annual income is 22 402 023,09 UAH), the next is a colleague in the fraction Lesya Orobets (8 438 513 UAH), the third is communist Oksana Kaletnik (6 954 UAH) .

          Among the leaders of the factions, the greatest income in 2012 was received by the “striker” Klitschko - more than 40 million UAH. In second place is the leader of Batkivshchyna Arseniy Yatsenyuk (1 369 464 UAH). Oleg Tyagnibok from Freedom in 2012 earned 202 379 UAH. The declarations of Alexander Efremov (Party of Regions) and Petr Simonenko (KPU) as of May 17 were not found in the public domain.

          The largest total family income was declared by the regional Bobov (UAH 61). He also leads the rating of the most successful majority holders (the declarations of 815 majority holders, which are in the public domain, have been analyzed). Also, among the deputies who were elected in single-mandate constituencies, the largest income was received by: non-factional deputies Yuriy Derevyanko (OIO No. 201 in Ivano-Frankivsk region, annual income - UAH 77) and Serhiy Martynyak (OIO No. 87 in Volyn region, annual income - 25 537 331 UAH), regional Ivan Kurovsky (OIO No. 20 in the Chernihiv region, annual income - 23 359 685 UAH) and "Udarovets" Yaroslav Dubnevich (OIO No. 209 in the Lviv region, annual income - 22 509 298 UAH) ... "

          (site "vecherniy.kharkov.ua", article "The Verkhovna Rada has counted the number of millionaire deputies" dated May 30, 2013)

          Or is it nonsense?
          1. Akim
            Akim 14 February 2014 10: 42
            0
            Quote: aviamed90
            You can not tell about the "chosen people of the people" who "express" the will of the people

            These are already "sexual" problems of the Ukrainian people, not a handful of reactionaries.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 14 February 2014 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      I will consider any foreign troops brought into Ukrainian land to be the aggressor.

      And under the UN mandate, adopted according to the letter of the charter of this organization, too?
      Well, purely hypothetically imagine that Ukraine has come to SUCH ...

      I affirm, because BACKGROUND to this AkimOf course there is, but:
      Quote: Akim
      not all documents can be found on the net
      wink
      1. Akim
        Akim 14 February 2014 10: 59
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        And under the UN mandate, adopted according to the letter of the charter of this organization, too?

        Not. But this requires indulgence from the UN.
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 14 February 2014 10: 03
    +7
    I don’t understand why Ukrainians so hopefully turn to Russia. Do you have more than adequate Bandera people? Start understanding yourself! But Russia will not stand aside, but the introduction of troops is to provoke a war. NATO is also unlikely to go into Ukraine, they also understand that this will lead to war. So start tidying up yourself am
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 14 February 2014 10: 07
    +1
    I would not want a real massacre to begin on the territory of fraternal Ukraine, As for Russia, I think Ataman and Deputy V.P. Vodolatsky stated the position of the VKD Cossacks correctly. The Cossacks are power (which even the Russian government is afraid of and is trying to do not allow the government), If necessary, then there will be plenty of real volunteers of the Cossacks from the Don, Kuban and other Cossack troops of Russia, we will help get rid of the "Maydauns" and their Geuropean friends.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 14 February 2014 10: 16
    +5
    Dude expressed his opinion. And we immediately let us poke around in history whether they were good or bad. let's go back to the dinosaurs. In the time of troubles, anything happened, but to take the Don civilian into two camps, they divided each other, cut them, so what were good red or white?
  • dmb
    dmb 14 February 2014 10: 42
    +3
    Studying the comments showed that there are a lot more sane people. Where there were representatives of the glorious Lugansk Cossacks in the year of commercials 91-m. what prevented them from reaching the Voroshilovgrad square and announcing that the region remains in Russia. At that time, this would be completely legal, unlike the lascivious Bialowieza pieces of paper. Now, his calls are not much different from the calls of Bandera, who procured the bread and salt of the US Marine Corps. Of course, the majority of the people of Ukraine and Russia favor unification, but it is possible only when the social structure in both states is changed, as in the 1922 when creating the USSR. Otherwise, we simply do not need our Chubais or Ukrainians Akhmetov, our artiodactyls enough.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 14 February 2014 10: 55
      +1
      dmb

      In the 1991, the Voroshilovgrad (now Lugansk) region was part of the Ukrainian SSR, and not the RSFSR.

      And the All-Ukrainian referendum of 1 of December 1991 was held on the issue:

      "The question sounded like this:" Do you confirm the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine? "Please note: not a word about secession from the USSR. Voting to confirm a certain Act of some independence. question. Does it mean that you agree with the content of this act, or that you agree that it was actually adopted? But let's say that the first thing: you agree with the content of the Act. But in order to agree with it, you must at least read this Act. Otherwise, it is - by force a vote “Are you for independence?” And who will say: “No, I am for addiction!”?

      Thus, none of the basic decisions of that time about Ukraine's secession from the USSR was there. At the All-Ukrainian referendum on December 1, 1991, this issue was not voted on, but approval of the Independence Act was voted. "

      (site "www.km.ru", article "Ukraine did not vote for secession from the USSR" dated 24.08.2011)
      1. dmb
        dmb 14 February 2014 12: 04
        +1
        Ay quit doing casuistry. If Abkhazia did not want to stay in Georgia, then it did not stay there, and Transnistria did not enter Moldova, although it does not have a common border with Russia. So, tell Voroshilovgrad that he remains in Russia, he would be here together with Donetsk and Crimea. By the way, in this case it’s not at all a fact that we would not live in the USSR without the Chubais and Yeltsins, but if the Galicians separated, they would be an unrecognized enclave or Poles
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 14 February 2014 11: 21
    0
    Yes, NATO will never poke its nose at Ukraine, they will give money to the violent, yes, but they will not poke their heads in. And you agree why do they need this? Spending again, hanging Russia right next door, this is not Libya or Syria. How much will it cost again Ukraine, and so a beggar on the porch is worth a handout, so the NATO countries themselves will probably have to pay, they don't need it absolutely. Financing of radicals, all kinds of OUN UPA, other "militants" will cost much less. bodies "The West, I would probably even refrain from supplying weapons to the violent, bats, armor, catapults, yes, but firearms are better off, no one knows where else they will go, since Yanukovych turned out to be a rag and got scared," Berkut "is possible and Molotov "throw it, they will endure everything. And if the Cossacks twitch, then you can raise hysteria in the media, a few photos of the Cossacks themselves, the painting" Cossacks in Paris ", the Russian threat, etc., etc. Purely professionally, I do not understand what are they waiting for, it's probably so exciting it is necessary to destroy a foreign country, and this country does not yet resist.
  • Kostyar
    Kostyar 14 February 2014 11: 30
    +1
    Quote: Apache
    Kozaki, the same ones who once took Azov, went to Moscow ... now they are turning over in their graves, their descendants are waiting for military assistance to restore order in their country. Gentlemen with whips, do not disgrace, take off these pendants, give the sabers to the museum and go work at least as janitors. You are not Cossacks, you are so snot in the wind.

    Have you ever respected about Kievan Rus heard ?!
  • Duke
    Duke 14 February 2014 11: 35
    +2
    Do not confuse the Zaporozhye and Don Cossacks.
  • Aleksys2
    Aleksys2 14 February 2014 12: 09
    +2
    So I remembered:
    The note of the Soviet government, handed to the Polish ambassador to the USSR in Moscow on the morning of September 17 of September 1939 in Moscow, indicated the reasons for the start of the operation:
    The Polish state and its government virtually ceased to exist. Thus, the treaties concluded between the USSR and Poland terminated. Left to itself and left without leadership, Poland turned into a convenient field for all sorts of accidents and surprises that could create a threat to the USSR. Therefore, being hitherto neutral, the Soviet government cannot take a more neutral attitude to these facts, as well as to the defenseless position of the Ukrainian and Belarusian population. In view of this situation, the Soviet government ordered the High Command of the Red Army to order the troops to cross the border and take under their protection the life and property of the population of Western Belarus and Western Ukraine.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 14 February 2014 12: 17
    +1
    It is not advisable for Russia to send troops into Ukraine under any circumstances other than an external enemy attack on Ukraine, and even if there is no consent of the official legitimate government of Ukraine.
    Otherwise, the majority of the population of Ukraine will consider Russian invaders and occupiers and there will never be peace between us. There is already a negative experience in the liberation of Western Ukraine, in 1939, from the Polish occupation, which generated the zoological hatred of the liberated Ukrainians towards the Russians.
  • dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 14 February 2014 13: 32
    +2
    All hi Guys! Regarding the entry of the RF Troops into the Sovereign Country, this is, of course, an exaggeration. But, in the event of a worsening of the situation, we will be ready to cover, and not fight. Today in "Arguments of the week" an article was published about the dominance of the Caucasus in Stavropol. The Ataman of the Cossack Host has put everything on the shelves, so we have our own problems, which are already ripe, unfortunately.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 14 February 2014 14: 44
    0
    if there are prerequisites then it is necessary to drive
  • Leprechaun
    Leprechaun 14 February 2014 14: 50
    +1
    Quote: Corsair5912
    Russia is not advisable to send troops into Ukraine under any circumstances other than an external enemy attack on Ukraine

    And we will not introduce it, we just focus on the border. repeat

    Quote: Corsair5912
    if there is no consent of the official legitimate government of Ukraine

    And who will decide who is legitimate and who is not? Russia, Maidanuta opposition or Europe? This is how it will work in Libya, Gaddafi was declared illegitimate and entered his troops calmly.

    Quote: Corsair5912
    the majority of the population of Ukraine will be considered Russian invaders and occupiers

    Yes, do not care who they will consider us! Does it matter to you who your child thinks you are when you beat him in the arms so that your fingers do not pop into the socket? I’m ready to be, if only I were alive and well.

    If we don’t enter there, the Polish contingent EUFOR will enter there. What do you think they will do with the population? Especially in the eastern regions. Filtration camps are the most harmless.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 15 February 2014 10: 14
      0
      Quote: Leprechaun
      Yes, do not care who they will consider us! Does it matter to you who your child thinks you are when you beat him in the arms so that your fingers do not pop into the socket? I’m ready to be, if only I were alive and well.
      If we don’t enter there, the Polish contingent EUFOR will enter there. What do you think they will do with the population? Especially in the eastern regions. Filtration camps are the most harmless.

      Ukrainians are not children, fingers can poke and stop, and evil will disappear.
      But the Poles (Turks, Yankees) knocked out of Ukraine, this means to restore good relations with the Ukrainians.
      The Poles themselves, without an order from NATO, will not climb, and the arrogant Saxons will surrender them, as always.
  • moremansf
    moremansf 14 February 2014 15: 24
    0
    Yes, Ukrainian independence was evidently taken out by Cossacks !!!
  • edeligor
    edeligor 14 February 2014 15: 28
    0
    Judging by the war that unleashed between the citizens of Ukraine after this article, there is still a long way to a peaceful resolution. The warring parties will turn to at least someone, even to hell, but only to pull the blanket over themselves. To send troops to Ukraine, regardless of those asking, regardless of whose - doom yourself to defeat and reproach. There is a belief among the Russian people that you can’t interfere in family disputes, you will find yourself guilty. Therefore, with all due respect to the Cossacks, this initiative is not feasible.
  • biglow
    biglow 14 February 2014 18: 11
    +2
    Bendery turned up the east of the outskirts, then there will only be decay ...