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Ushinsky is not on us ...

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19 February 2014 Russia celebrates the 190 anniversary of the birth of the outstanding Russian teacher Konstantin Ushinsky. This man, a native of the city of Tula, actually laid the foundation of national pedagogy as a full-fledged science with its own laws, rules and development trends. The contribution that Konstantin Dmitrievich made to the development of national education is truly invaluable. The works of Ushinsky have been translated into dozens of world languages, and the total circulation of his scientific and pedagogical works is incalculable. Konstantin Ushinsky has left a great legacy for most people who have chosen the education system as their professional path - training and raising the younger generation.


However, if a great teacher were in the average educational institution of our day, came into contact with modern didactic, educational methods and methods of controlling the quality of students' knowledge, then we can assume that Konstantin Dmitrievich would be quite surprised. Against the background of total informatization, access to both teachers and students to virtually any data source; against the background of frank liberalization of the education system, it is possible to state a clear decline not only in the average quality of knowledge of a modern school graduate, but also in a decline in the professionalism of the teaching staff.

Officials from education in this case will say that the author of the material is cunning, because according to the reports of the heads of educational institutions, modern schools in terms of the quality of knowledge and academic performance of students have significantly “jumped” up even in comparison with the Soviet period. According to these reports, it turns out that the average percentage of academic performance in Russian schools is very close to 99,9%, and the quality of knowledge (only the “fours” and the five ”in certificates) has exceeded 40%. That is, only one out of a thousand may not receive a certificate, and more than 40 graduates from each hundred will certainly be good and excellent.

Ushinsky is not on us ...
Painting "Oral account. In the folk school of S.A. Rachinsky". The author canvases N.P. Bogdanov-Belsky


The leaders of large urban schools can go even further in their reports, offering even more gracious figures. To see these figures, it is enough to look at publicly available reports on school websites. The first report that came to our eyes (according to the results of the 2011-2012 school year) of one of the metropolitan schools gives literally the following: the average percentage of the quality of knowledge, that is, the percentage of graduates who worked exclusively “well” and “excellent” in this school (not we will call her number for the simple reason that in hundreds of other reporting pictures are very similar) is 76%! That is, if certificates in this school received 50 people in that year, then as many as 38 graduates graduated from school without triples. Only 12 "losers" managed to "grab" threes for certain subjects ... Look, you rascals! - disgrace modern Russian education with its low marks ... Shame and shame, you know ...

And this is a common school!

In the so-called lyceums and gymnasiums of the “name of someone”, which, judging by the letter of the new law on education, will still have to change the signs for more modest, the results are even more impressive: what is the percentage of the quality of knowledge? - so 100%! Triads? - We do not know these ...

But if officials from education consider the data coming from the regional leadership of educational institutions to be plausible, then it is difficult to call such a hypocrisy as hypocrisy. To learn about the real level (average, natural) of the knowledge and skills of modern schoolchildren (and often the teachers along with the textbooks compilers), you do not need to sweat, studying the reporting documentation on certain subjects, on these or other schools - you just need to talk to students, or look at how many people apply their knowledge in an unfamiliar situation. This, of course, is not about all modern students, because talented children and children who are ready for truly high-quality education have been and will be at all times, talking about, let's say, the average statistical trend. After such observations, the picture for a person who was related to the education system of the Soviet period (taught or studied) will be obvious: any average modern “good” is (in terms of knowledge and skills) Soviet triad, and troechnik - at best ...

What leads to the fact that the quality of students' knowledge grows on paper, but decreases in practice? There are many reasons for this. We will not deal here with questions of the teacher’s wages - this is a perennially sensitive issue. Let's leave it for purely economic materials. Now for other reasons.

One of the reasons - total bureaucratization of modern schools. The teacher, instead of devoting time to the questions of better learning “pets”, issues of continuous self-education, the creation of actually working in practice didactic schemes, is forced to plunge into keeping statistics, accounting and accounting documentation. Work plan for the day, work plan for the month, calendar (prospective) work plan for the year, report on educational activities for the week, for the month, for the semester, for the year, and even for the five years (the five-year plan) work (to provide information for a higher category), text report, graphic report, publication of the report on the personal page on the Internet, entering the report into the teacher's portfolio. A plan for writing plans ... Report on the delivery of reports ... What self-education is there, what is the dialogue with students ...

And in most cases, reports should be "with growing dynamics." If in the 2010-11 school year there was 40% knowledge quality in the subject of Marivanna, in 2011-2012 - 42%, in 2012-13 - 44%, and only try if it has less in the 2013-2014 school year! .. Of course, no one will shout, but the head of the meeting (or the teachers' council) will definitely say: this year, our Marivanna worked worse, worse ... Why are you, Marivanna, do not keep up with school-wide indicators? .. This is a bonus, this is additional funding, this is a school budget ... So Marivanna will have to be forced into 2014-2015, if she isn’t asked yet have "for the decline of indicators," redeem ", giving out all 76, and even 176 percent ... Will be forced in an evaluative sense to" pull up "Vasya from 10" B ", who sincerely believes that Yuri Alekseevich Gagarin (the same) this is not only the first man in space, but also a hero of the Great Patriotic War, and he is confident that the American astronauts who landed there have measured the surface of the Sun ... (The "Kazus" with Yuri Gagarin and the surface temperature of the Sun are not invented by the author of the material, these are real answers students of one of the Voronezh schools Awarded the so-called “transferable” credit in physics and natural science, and those who claimed to be “good”).

Another reason - literally, sorry for the term, cluttering up domestic educational institutions with textbooks and manuals, which often simply contradict one another. There is no single educational model - there is no “uniform” textbooks. There are no uniform textbooks, but there are pseudo-educational aids on which someone just makes excellent money.

Today, in the same class, children can study different textbooks on 3-5 (and this is only in one subject). And if the authors of textbooks on exact sciences (mathematics, physics, chemistry) can simply interchange chapters or paragraphs in order to be able to issue a “new” textbook (this is still half the problem), the authors of textbooks of the humanities cycle are often hard at work. each other, publishing unconfirmed information from authoritative sources, their personal conjectures, “experiences”, and even outright blunders. The problem is that these textbooks often pass through reviewers (associate professors, professors, academicians) without much difficulty. Question: Do reviewers read textbooks before podmahnut - put their signature where necessary, or envelopes with money and here it is more important than honor to be called a scientist, a star of science? Often textbooks contain both actual and spelling errors. Either the author is nudged, or the compositor ...









And from the exam:



Quite a lot and other reasons reducing the level of education: a change in the generation of teaching personnel after the pit of the 90's. The use of liberal techniques that literally feed on students inexhaustible infantilism. Demographic problems. Strange experiments of the Ministry of Education. Powerlessness of the teacher and at the same time decrease in teacher credibility.

If the current state of affairs in the educational sphere does not change, if the formality and the “paper” indicators continue to occupy the main positions, then this may well lead to discrediting of education as such. While such a disastrous system has not yet had time to become numb, there is still a chance to fix it. They destroyed and trampled a lot of things that at different times made our education one of the best in the world - it’s time to start building up competently without inventing bicycles and fighting windmills for good performance.

K.D. Ushinsky:

The head, filled with fragmentary, incoherent knowledge, is like a pantry, in which everything is in disarray and where the owner himself will not find anything; the head, where only a system without knowledge, looks like a shop, in which there are inscriptions on all the boxes, and the boxes are empty.


You can expand your knowledge only when you look straight into the eyes of your ignorance.


The educator is not an official; and if he is an official, he is not an educator.
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  1. invisibility
    invisibility 14 February 2014 07: 48
    +20
    In the USSR, there was the best education in the world. Proof of this are our victories in almost all areas. But the victories of the Egeshniks must be sought.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 15 February 2014 01: 38
      -5
      The best education was in the Russian Empire and the technical achievements of the USSR mainly in the old gymnasium education. In the USSR, education is a surrogate, mainly a means of training and required additional self-education. Now double education is the best, especially linguistic for those who are willing and wealthy, and a complete surrogate for the masses.
      "The best education in the world", "has no analogues", "our victories" are propaganda clichés and how it comes down to it - "she drowned." Only self-education based on initial literacy allows you to go forward. So it was in Ancient Russia - 3 years of school, and then - one and a half miles of bookstores in the market in Moscow - buy and learn if you want ... and apprenticeship with the masters.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 15 February 2014 12: 00
        +2
        Quote: Volkhov
        The best education was in the Russian Empire and the technical achievements of the USSR mainly in the old gymnasium education. In the USSR, education is a surrogate, mainly a means of training and required additional self-education.

        Best for the elite, as of now?
        "We will destroy to the ground ..." Myth. The old production relations were destroyed, and much was taken from the previous experience by the head and hands of former specialists. The multiplication table was not reinvented. The Soviet school gave education to everyone (though I read the "statement" that everyone was literate before the revolution belay ) Therefore, there were many talented scientists and engineers, competent specialists.
        The Soviet school of education was based on the pre-revolutionary one. The best was taken (the current education is such that you already meet that they write "the best"). Of course, learning ancient Latin is good for training memory, but in life you could learn hieroglyphs with equal success. I'm not saying that everything was fine, but find fault with everything Soviet?
        The picture shows an oral count. I remember, even in graduation, we used it to warm up. Now they are learning to count with a calculator. However, it develops thinking. Now children are loaded with a huge amount of information, often incorrect, but it would be necessary to develop thinking. Being able to think, you will always find the necessary information. There would be a base.
        Your statement is based on anti-Sovietism, not on real facts.
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 15 February 2014 14: 50
          0
          The result of education is visible in the industry - what kind of computer you have, the car, what you fly on, what you eat.
          RI built battleships, all types of equipment and developed technically, the Russian Federation is noticeably degrading.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 15 February 2014 19: 29
            0
            Quote: Volkhov
            The Russian Federation is noticeably degrading.

            Only a blind person may not see that education is almost destroyed in the Russian Federation. Everything rests only on old groundwork.
      2. teascher
        teascher 15 February 2014 20: 12
        0
        yes, what nonsense?
  2. treskoed
    treskoed 14 February 2014 07: 51
    +20
    First you need to ban government officials from educating their children abroad! To forbid officials themselves to study (improve their qualifications) abroad!
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 08: 30
      +1
      it is possible and even probably necessary to improve qualifications abroad, but if only under the watchful supervision of the KGB :)
      1. Andrey78
        Andrey78 14 February 2014 09: 55
        +1
        Already alone were such, Chubais and Co.
        1. Mih
          Mih 15 February 2014 00: 13
          0
          Already alone were such, Chubais and co.
          This team cannot be defeated by clave. The only real Russian officer is Colonel Kvachkov. So what? Do you know about his fate? Sadly, all these are gentlemen officers. You ....
          1. sscha
            sscha 15 February 2014 00: 28
            0
            I know! I am from the Urals. (Urals - with a capital letter!)
            And "dust from the boots of the central group of troops" (something like that) - what military unit are you with? hi
            1. Mih
              Mih 15 February 2014 00: 54
              0
              What military unit are you with?
              Carpathian VO. 32 platoon.
    2. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 14 February 2014 09: 09
      +6
      First you need to ban government officials from educating their children abroad! To forbid officials themselves to study (improve their qualifications) abroad!

      First you need to tear down this power.
      1. scrack
        scrack 15 February 2014 00: 56
        0
        And there will be chaos that will not lead to anything good
        1. cumastra1
          cumastra1 15 February 2014 07: 58
          0
          the fish rots from the head. The bureaucratization of education (and even medicine) does not benefit society. Only bureaucrats checking and rechecking. Lack of respect for the teacher - no matter what the reason - also does not improve the situation. But the most important thing is the demand for education. And then 11 years at school, 5 years at the institute, and then - "Free cash!"
        2. cumastra1
          cumastra1 15 February 2014 07: 58
          0
          the fish rots from the head. The bureaucratization of education (and even medicine) does not benefit society. Only bureaucrats checking and rechecking. Lack of respect for the teacher - no matter what the reason - also does not improve the situation. But the most important thing is the demand for education. And then 11 years at school, 5 years at the institute, and then - "Free cash!"
          1. internatio
            internatio 15 February 2014 18: 56
            -1
            The reason is not so much bureaucracy as power. The government orders how many and what kind of specialists it needs. In the Russian Federation, there is the concept of "megalopolis" - the self-sufficiency of large territorial units, for example, the Lower Volga, Novosibirsk. In Ukraine, if Donbass, Greater Sevastopol, etc. are restored. - specialists are also in demand. Planned economy or market economy - so decide!
  3. demel2
    demel2 14 February 2014 07: 58
    +10
    Yes, we don’t have Ushinsky, but there are great teachers Fursenko and Livanov, and we’ll go far with them. I really don’t know what we’ll get to.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 14 February 2014 11: 44
      +4
      Quote: demel2
      We don’t have Ushinsky, but there are great teachers Fursenko and Livanov

      The latter are not teachers, but officials. "An educator is not an official; and if he is an official, then he is not an educator." Before them are completely different tasks for education that have nothing to do.
      In addition to the flow of papers, which do not leave a single drop of time for education and crush the teacher's freedom of creativity. The problem is that for a normal salary, you need to do work at one and a half two rates. It's like working two shifts in a row. There is no time for self-development, for family, teachers "burn out". Ushinsky was a supporter of flogging (he did not deny physical punishment). Now, even a voice cannot be raised for a student - dismissal for professional unsuitability. If the Moscow shooter were stopped with the help of physical pressure, then saving the lives of people they sacrificed their own freedom, and this non-human now would calmly go to lessons and would not touch him with a finger. The situation is stalemate.
  4. mak210
    mak210 14 February 2014 08: 04
    +3
    http://vk.com/video9360824_167450976

    I teach in high school and I can say that this is not a production.
  5. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 14 February 2014 08: 14
    +17
    It is necessary to return the Soviet textbooks, as they are, by adding new sections, taking into account the development of science and technology, to return the training system, as it was under the USSR, and to amuse teachers from PAPER DECORATION.
    And we also need to get rid of the "variety" of textbooks, they should be the same for the whole country.
    1. Gray 43
      Gray 43 14 February 2014 10: 30
      +3
      As long as Uncle Dima rules, there are no single textbooks, he himself said so in one interview, it seems at a meeting with students of some university. "We will not return to the same monotony as it was in the USSR!" He substantiated his opinion by the fact that students should have a choice, but, in my opinion, this is just the beginning of chaos.
      1. Mstislav
        Mstislav 14 February 2014 23: 53
        +2
        This mendel sometimes gives out such things that they immediately take doubts: is it the prime minister of which country?
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 14 February 2014 18: 19
      +4
      To return the Soviet textbooks and the country should be Soviet. It was not for this that the Union was destroyed, so that children could be educated, not a certain set of unsystematic knowledge.
    4. Mih
      Mih 15 February 2014 00: 16
      0
      Quote: ia-ai00
      It is necessary to return the Soviet textbooks

      Bravo gentlemen officers.
  6. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 08: 28
    +4
    but Fursenko is now an adviser to the president. But he advocated to educate our children of literate consumers and no more. The best school is a school of the 50s. And now the school curriculum is intentionally overloaded, so that children have a persistent aversion to learning
  7. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 08: 40
    +3
    One of the reasons is the total bureaucracy of modern schools. Instead of devoting time to issues of better education for “pets”, issues of continuous self-education, and the creation of didactic schemes that actually work in practice, they are forced to immerse themselves in the conduct of statistics and reporting documentation. Work plan for the day, work plan for the month, calendar (prospective) work plan for the year, report on educational activities by the end of the week, by the end of the month, by the end of the semester, by the end of the year and even by the end of five years (the “five-year period”) of work (to provide information for a higher category), a text report, a graphic report, publishing the report on a personal page on the Internet, entering the report into the teacher’s portfolio. A plan for writing plans ... Report on reports ... What kind of self-education, what dialogue with students ...
    but these are such realities that you just have to experience it yourself ...
  8. Arbatov
    Arbatov 14 February 2014 08: 47
    +12
    First, comrade officers, start clearing the planet from yourself: buy a punctuation guide and put commas only where it is supposed to according to the rules of the Russian language.
    Secondly, the problem is really huge and comprehensively important. Simple examples. Most of the teachers, head teachers, headmaster of the best gymnasium in our city suffer from terrible tongue-tied language (imagine how they explain the educational material). The deputy mayor in charge of education (by the way, a candidate of sciences and in the recent past the vice-rector of the university) in public speeches flaunts phrases like: "You and I saw that ...". The Minister of Education of the region thundered in the federal news when she published a welcome address to the participants of the scientific forum, and in the appeal there were a dozen mistakes. Finally, the public speech of the governor, who strives for the purity of the language and periodically organizes exams in various school subjects for his subordinates, is simply a collection of grammatical and stylistic mistakes.
    I do not see an evolutionary way out of this situation. There is no one to teach children. And there is no one to teach their teachers either.
  9. Normman
    Normman 14 February 2014 09: 04
    +15
    Save on schools? Go broke in prisons! I don’t know who said it, but I completely agree! The problem of education is difficult, but solvable. You need to start from the head. Are we Russia or Russia? Are we a self-sufficient civilization or an insignificant fragment of the global mosaic? We will solve this issue and, like Livanov, liberal undergraduates will disappear in history without a trace.
    1. Gray 43
      Gray 43 14 February 2014 10: 36
      +4
      I don’t understand why English is used so often? Even at the press conference of the men's hockey national team, the plates with the names of the players were only in English, and the Olympics, in general, are held in Russia
      1. your1970
        your1970 14 February 2014 16: 34
        +2
        I had to write only in Russian, let zhurnalyugi write down the names !!!!!!!!!
  10. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 09: 05
    +4
    a little off topic, but in nature everything is interconnected ...

    Not mine. Stumbled, read, I agree with all the words 99,999%

    Since the wave of emotion finally reached the Russian national team at the Olympics, interviews and materials about professional athletes filled up everything, even non-sports publications, it was time to remind one simple, frightening truth:
    PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES - DARMOUEDS.
    These are people who do not produce any intellectual, cultural or physical product. Not even a service - a hipster transporting fashionable sneakers from the USA in a bag on his hump, and then pushing them cheaply in Moscow, and that creates a service (in this case, delivering scarce sneakers to your doorstep), while athletes don’t nothing.
    They only train. Year after year. Month after month. Million for million (taxpayer money). After that they come out, and suddenly it turns out that these people, who cannot even sell sneakers, are the heroes and the personification of our country. We should all be proud of them, because nothing causes pride anymore than a genetic mutant parasite pumped by chemistry, dropping off a hill on a sled one second earlier than the same genetically paramedic pumped by chemistry from a neighboring country.
    No, understand correctly, amateur sport is wonderful. Mostly because amateurs are involved in amateur sports, quite rightly. People who, besides skating on the sled race, have some other things to do in life. I rode on sledges, went on to build an atomic reactor or compose an opera there, what questions. This is great, this is correct, such a sport is needed.
    1. bairat
      bairat 14 February 2014 10: 17
      +3
      Quote: Ivan Petrovich
      PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES - DARMOUEDS.

      Therefore, I do not watch either the Olympics or the Universiade. Take our illustrious clubs: ak bars, ruby, zenith - there is not a single Kazan, the composition is constantly changing, stagger from club to club without a flag and homeland. Given their millions of salaries, all these games do not cause any desire to cheer for them.
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 10: 32
        0
        here I am about it. People truly creative are not visible and not heard. Inventors, scientists, painters (not painting garbage), teachers, finally ...
        and who flickers on the screen all the time? deputies, actors, pop stars, athletes, television hosts, magazine magazines and other parasites.
        And here's another question, and who knows what kind of profession is a healer? because the question is that there are people interested in military matters.
  11. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 09: 05
    0
    But when a person has ALL LIFE AT ALL, it consists of running skating in a race (to prove that? To whom? Why?) - then this person is crazy, he needs to be treated. Moreover, we all need to be treated, because this man is skating with our money. No, if you are a billionaire and the owner of a business empire, you can allow yourself to run on skates, even walk on your hands, the individual’s right to spend his money as he likes, sacredly — but they compete for our taxes there!
    And I also understand, for example, hockey is a huge self-supporting, even profitable show business. Type "House-2". Where the goal is not to build your love or a house there, but to make as many high-rating episodes with scandals and intrigues as possible. Likewise, hockey players have the task not to win, but to produce a beautiful show with beautiful wrestling, fights, and dramaturgy. Or figure skating, Julia Lipnitskaya, is an excellent opportunity to look at the toned thighs of an 15-year-old schoolgirl and moo something about “what technique, what kind of performance, what ass” (nothing that figure skaters costumes as close as possible to striptease-burlesque stars).
    I understand this: harsh men beat each other's faces, young meat in a tight-fitting suit is spinning this way and that, people are ready to watch it and pay for it even without any Olympics.
    BUT CAN?
    Do you know what a mogul is? But on it yesterday there were competitions, there someone was even awarded medals. They have their heroes, their villains, their schools, their own, of course, state funding. Or is it a "skeleton"? Which of us Russians is not proud of our great skeletons, who, from their last strengths, snatched victory from ... well, snatched from someone. Or losers. Who cares? 90% of Olympic sports are not of interest to the mass audience, this is not a show, but a fan club, a party of genetic freaks, paid from the budget. “Nordic Combined” - can any of you say what is it? When at first you take away one ski from an opponent, and then the second? Or two of you right behind your skis, and you fight them off?
    No, let these skeletons and moguls do anything, we have a free country, but why do they do it with our money and show us like heroes? They say that you are sitting here, an engineer, you are drawing a new hydroelectric station, but you would have looked at the real hero Ahmed Zalupaenko, who was able to otmogulitsya and zkeletonitsya faster than others, which changed the world ... absolutely nothing. This is a man, this is a yes, not that you, an airplane turbine designer not glamorous!
  12. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 09: 05
    0
    Yes, during the existence of the USSR, its confrontation with the United States in sports was essentially such a little reduced war, pretext war, a light version of the Third World War, riveting the world's attention because of additional superpower meanings. But those days are long gone, no one seriously considers war with the United States (and the Olympics as a peaceful form of this war), enormous attention to the peaceful Third World War was gone, and countless hordes of skeletonists, bobsleighists (here, the Jamaican people went to their Olympics, collected via the Internet) and mogulistov remained. And with impudent mugs, they teach us to live on TV.
    Therefore, what I want to say: 90% of professional athletes are parasites and recipients of poorly veiled social assistance. Only if disabled people and veterans receive assistance due to their weakness and for their services to the country, then in the case of athletes we have healthy strong foreheads that you can plow on, of all the merits they can only ride on sledges. Someone like the famous Dagestan “invalids” who receive fake disability benefits (but even fake Dagestan invalids don’t go on TV to get medals, but sit modestly on their aul, glance at the state bequeathed to the state. received fanfare - this is only possible in professional sports).
    The remaining 10% of professional athletes are self-supporting and therefore are the heroes of the show, by their general meaningfulness, as similar to the heroes of “House-2” as possible. Of course, there are people who take the characters of “House-2” seriously, but for the majority of normal people, they are MURSILES FROM TV, created solely to flip young thighs into the camera. There is nothing criminal in this (everyone doesn’t kill and do not steal, although young, strong, could be the same hockey team as a ready-made gang), but we must understand that
    any kind Russian man engaged in productive labor is ten times more hero than all the "professional athletes" combined. And the injustice of our world is that no one watches for hours on TV the work of a nuclear physics laboratory (“Lord, they are close to opening, they are close to opening, what a technique!”), But they show easily veiled striptease and funny fights of millionaires on ice ( or even at all, forgive me, “skeleton”), suggesting that this be considered a standard and an object to follow. Grow, they say, a Russian man, strive, and someday you too will be able to twirl your ass in sequins on a camera with broadcast around the world!
    It's disgusting.
    And once again we want to say that our real heroes are soldiers, businessmen and intellectuals, whose honor and glory is stolen by the constant imposition of genetic show freaks as models for admiration and imitation.
  13. tolan_petrovich
    tolan_petrovich 14 February 2014 09: 07
    +1
    Quote: mak210
    http://vk.com/video9360824_167450976

    I teach in high school and I can say that this is not a production.

    I can’t even find the words!
  14. Barakuda
    Barakuda 14 February 2014 09: 07
    +9
    Russian teacher in the lesson - I warn you! Who will distort and distort their native speech, I will beat him in the snout without unnecessary bazaars! laughing
  15. Same lech
    Same lech 14 February 2014 09: 08
    +7
    I help my daughter do homework - when I take textbooks for 4th grade I begin to swear quietly - the developers of these books seem to work where the design institute works — so many blunders are incomprehensible to the mind — and especially infuriates me.
    1. loft79
      loft79 14 February 2014 15: 53
      +5
      I also swear quietly, textbooks 3rd grade. In each textbook I look at the publisher and the authors, all with degrees, etc. And in my head there is one thought: Where have you been dug up? Do you have any brains?
  16. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 09: 13
    +5
    The attitude of the state towards the teacher is a state policy that indicates either the strength of the state or its weakness.

    Bismarck.
  17. ZU-23
    ZU-23 14 February 2014 09: 14
    +1
    Yes, there are a lot of dumb teachers now, well, if their interests are exactly the same as those of children, only even in a more perverse form. Teachers also like iPhones and ride in wheelbarrows, go to a tuber, etc. We need strict control over educators laughing
    1. teascher
      teascher 14 February 2014 18: 15
      0
      Before, they themselves would learn to read and write, than to erect a slander on the teachers. At least 5 errors in your text. And complete nonsense in the sense. Apparently at school they were doppelgangers, hence the hatred and desire to slander teachers.
  18. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 09: 17
    +2
    “... Public education plays a decisive role in the war ... when the Prussians beat the Austrians, it was the victory of the Prussian teacher over the Austrian school teacher”
  19. Barakuda
    Barakuda 14 February 2014 09: 33
    +8
    And we have a paradox in Ukraine. Nobody really teaches Russian to children, but without knowledge of Russian, you’ll get a hell of a job in Kiev, you don’t need to know Ukrainian ... And each official doesn’t shoot a camera at the great and mighty. I don’t know how in Transcarpathia, but near Kiev, if you don’t know Russian, then you are a sucker from the village, come in large numbers ...
  20. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 14 February 2014 09: 41
    +3
    Poor Ushinsky! He spent his life so that EVERYTHING, and not just the wealthy elite, could receive literacy and education in general. And it worked out for him! Not for nothing in Soviet times, he was considered the luminary of pedagogical science. Now everything is deployed exactly the opposite! Well, the result is appropriate!
  21. horoh
    horoh 14 February 2014 09: 52
    +3
    This education system is a targeted destruction of the intellectual potential of a future generation !!!! Otherwise, it (education) would be changed !!!
  22. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 14 February 2014 09: 56
    0
    Well, education has collapsed, and then what? In a democratic state, how is it done, if the government is stupid, we go and vote for others in the next elections, what is the problem? And the problem is that the absolute majority will go and vote for United Russia and Putin .But if you vote for them, then you like everything, I can't understand I think logically, but since you like everything, there is nothing to believe in such articles, or has she opened America for you? If yes, then congratulations on your “epiphany”. in relation to Putin and his clique, if not, then why hypocrite?
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 10: 44
      0
      voted and elected ... in general, these are slightly different things. I was in the election commission, I know what it is
    2. _Krechet_
      _Krechet_ 14 February 2014 18: 36
      0
      Let's not dump everything together. One person cannot do everything by himself! He has a pair of loyal associates, but this also will not solve all the problems.

      You need to start with yourself. Take the trouble to participate in your child’s education. Interest him. Replace his teachers, especially since you are his main authority.

      What I do Putin (and the whole world) and I see from Ukraine, but I don’t know anything about you, dear. Except, of course, your outstanding achievement in the form of 5 lines of liberal pathos.
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  23. datolith
    datolith 14 February 2014 10: 21
    +2
    Paperwork is everywhere. In the Strategic Missile Forces, before, one typist coped then 2 computers were few, you won’t be able to print. Now I don’t know. Now technology has become more accessible to pay more steel; the headquarters have not reduced; I do not think that printing is less than steel.
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 10: 41
      0
      worked and work in many offices. Over the years of ebna and pedr's reign, the volume of paper going to the trash subsequently grows exponentially.
  24. aleksh3691
    aleksh3691 14 February 2014 10: 48
    +5
    Thanks, A. Volodin. In my opinion, a very important topic of school education has not been addressed. This is a common mistake of everyone who writes about education. There is no particular need to recall that having destroyed ideology, perestroika and creative workers destroyed the school system as such. In blessed Soviet times, teachers knew who they should raise - the builders of communism, ready for work and defense, etc. Is it funny? Against the background of this day is music. Were these goals immoral? At present, one of the teachers can outline the goals of school education - who does the state want to get out of school? Judging by the nature of those events (sorry for the vile bureaucratic word) that are lying on the heads of educated students who are fooled by paper pulp, in the near future Russia should be settled by creative consumers, who are an active electorate.
  25. Egoza
    Egoza 14 February 2014 10: 58
    +4
    The Great Ushinsky was truly GREAT! But in the current situation you need to return MAKARENKO! With strict discipline, labor training, collectivism, amateur performances, self-service .... And not sometime later, but now !!!
    1. My address
      My address 14 February 2014 14: 53
      +4
      Dear hi Elena love ! I just wanted to write about demanding. You are ahead.

      In addition. I am a former strong (not only my opinion that a strong) techie and a good former production worker, head of several hundred. That a strong techie is grateful to his teachers at school, including higher education, and at work. It was not cooked in its own juice. So I think that education, health care and law enforcement are the basis, which is even more important than agriculture. Not to mention the industry.
      What is going on now ?! Eh ...

      I wish Putin and Medvedev to be engaged in them and their relatives in an ordinary ROVD, an ordinary school, an ordinary clinic. And so they lived next to migrant workers.
      1. asadov
        asadov 14 February 2014 15: 41
        +2
        I completely agree, as they say, a well-fed hungry person will not understand. Too strong isolation of the lower classes from the top.
  26. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 11: 25
    +1
    Wow, all my comments have been deleted! I see they did not like Fursenko
  27. volan
    volan 14 February 2014 11: 40
    +3
    Somehow I came across an article on the quality of education in the pre-revolutionary period.
    The picture "Verbal counting" was given as an example. Take a look at the example on the board. Try to solve it orally))). The rural schoolchildren seemed to be doing well.
  28. Black
    Black 14 February 2014 11: 52
    -3
    Quote: Egoza
    But in the current situation you need to return MAKARENKO! With strict discipline, labor training, collectivism, amateur performances, self-service ...


    Dear Elena. For such a turn, the same society is needed- with some discipline, with responsibility, with universal (compulsory) labor activity, etc. It is impossible to force a school (university) to live according to other social laws different from the laws by which society lives.

    By article. (My wife works at a school (2nd place in the regional competition "Teacher of the Year", mother is a teacher in the 50s-80s, Honored Teacher of the Russian Federation. I know the "kitchen" from the inside).
    So.
    1. According to reporting. The teacher of the Soviet period was squeezed into the scope of reporting not less than no less. There were also a huge number of factors distracting him from the educational process.
    Let us also take into account the fact that a modern teacher, as a rule, is well acquainted with the function of "copying". Nothing, but a relief.
    2. The teacher received a certain freedom in the pedagogical and educational process. For a good teacher, this is beneficial, the "freeloader" makes full use of this, and (if there is no control) simply gives out the very same 70% of the quality of knowledge. Why can it? Is 3.
    3. The administration really drowned in monitoring, reports, inquiries, competitions and so on. etc.
    The function of monitoring what the teacher is doing is almost lost.
    The head teacher stopped going to classes! Moreover, he does not have the right to come to the lesson and see what Pyotr Ptrovich does there, and whether he does something.
    In addition, the school administration is simply cornered by the demands of "success." And the leadership is not up to quality ", he is up to" quantity ".
    4. Universities have degraded so much that they accept "everything".
    In that year, 95% of our graduates entered universities. Why should a graduate jump out of panties ??? Goes for the least resistance.

    I will say good glory to the "modernization" project. Colossal money came to school. Filling with equipment, appliances, furniture was simply incomparable with any years, and the period of the USSR, as well.
    According to the textbooks. The examples cited are all costs. I look at the textbooks of physics and mathematics. Very good tutorials. And the content and content, variability ...

    And I would also note. Children under 12 years old are much more developed than their peers in the 70s, say. And knowledge is not worse, and think better ....
    But when a child begins to "grow" into society, this is where trouble comes .... So the reasons should not be looked for in the school, in the society that we have successfully built. (There will be no other graduates in the waves of wild capitalism.)

    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 14 February 2014 13: 52
      +7
      and in my time, children under 12 could ride tractors and combines themselves. And what you call development, the ability to poke buttons ... In general, this is not even stupid ...
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 14 February 2014 17: 57
      +2
      Quote: Chen
      it is necessary to have the same society — with some kind of discipline, with responsibility, with universal (compulsory) labor activity, etc. It is impossible to get a school (university) to live according to other social laws different from the laws by which society lives.

      This is yes! Ushinsky, along with Makarenko in the current conditions, will definitely not sparkle with talents.
      The army is the same as society, the police is the same as society, the school is the same as society .... wink
      Introductory.
      A fellow worker's wife is a primary school teacher and seems to be "honored". A parallel class teacher comes to her for advice. Second-grader, cursing, even at teachers, discipline is zero. Mom came, all in rings and bruiliks: “And what's wrong with that?” Chuckles. They are going to sue the school - they give the child knowledge badly. What would be your wife's reaction? wink
      Quote: Chen
      I will say good thanks to the "modernization" project. Colossal money came to school.

      You surely know that the teacher’s salary now directly depends on the head teacher (loading, reporting, choosing students ...). By the way, you do not know the plugs between the salary of the head teacher and teacher, especially if you have not developed a relationship? wink
      Well, and "hidden extortions" from the parents - you know, nobody canceled. wink
      Granddaughter went to school. Textbooks, one word-shame. I kept the Soviet textbooks from the 8th grade of the 70s (even when I was preparing to enter the university). He made his children use them. They have already experimented with our children. Now the older child asks to save them for their children. Why's that? wink
      Quote: Chen
      Universities have degraded so much that they accept "everything."
      In that year, 95% of our graduates entered universities

      In Ryazan there is a radio engineering one. (The Yusovites considered it to be aerospace) After 1-2 courses, the dropout rate for academic failure is half. Those who went to other universities were excellent students. So, there was still some "gunpowder in the flasks" left. wink
      The Soviet school, with all its shortcomings, prepared graduates with versatile knowledge. Now he prepares "consumers". And what else will happen when the students themselves will choose subjects for training? After all, this time is not far off, just a few years.
      " The fish rots from the head". We need to start with the Minister of Education and academicians. Chase with a filthy broom. Until now, it jars when I see the correctly (according to the present) written word "parashut".
      1. Black
        Black 14 February 2014 18: 44
        +2
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        You surely know that the teacher’s salary now directly depends on the head teacher.

        I will make a reservation.
        Probably, I should not have generalized, had no right, the experience of the school. in which the wife works, not all of Russia. However, each of the opponents also judges by the school where his child is studying.
        So here. The school is rural, there are few children, teachers are still those (Soviet).
        Almost nothing depends on the head teacher.
        Children do not swear, the population is still respectful to teachers, teachers respond (or vice versa) with care, will supplement it. classes (free) - tutoring at your own expense.
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        By the way, you don’t know the plug between the salary of the head teacher and teacher,

        I know.
        wife gets more head teacher.
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        " The fish rots from the head". We need to start with the Minister of Education and academicians.

        I think this is the tail. Head is much higher! hi
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 14 February 2014 22: 34
          +1
          You can envy your soul mate for the good
          Quote: Chen
          Children do not swear, the population is still respectful to teachers, teachers respond (or vice versa) with care, will supplement it. classes (free) - tutoring at your own expense.

          "Behold at the root" smile
          Quote: Chen
          I think this is the tail. Head is much higher!
    3. teascher
      teascher 14 February 2014 18: 30
      +1
      Maybe in Moscow a lot of money came to school, well maybe in Chechnya, but in the regions there is no money. All for the money of parents - protection, repair, equipment. Government funding is zero. Textbooks of physics and mathematics - you may be right, but pay attention to the textbooks of history and social science - often outright nonsense.
      1. Black
        Black 14 February 2014 18: 48
        0
        Quote: teascher
        Maybe in Moscow a lot of money came to school, well maybe in Chechnya, but in the regions there is no money.


        I spoke about the Education National Program. Under this program, money (and not very small) came to every school !!!!
        What you are talking about is local responsibility.
        Take an interest - what is being done by the local authorities in the Belgorod region- AHNIT !!!! Their governor is who you need for president!
        1. A. Yaga
          A. Yaga 15 February 2014 19: 47
          0
          Quote: Chen
          Take an interest - what is being done by the local authorities in the Belgorod region- AHNIT !!!! Their governor is who you need for president!

          I am from the Belgorod region. We are doing a lot of good things at the regional level. But this did not improve the textbooks and teachers. The success rate is also 100%. By the way, you have to pay for all good things, and for many years. Our consumer prices are higher than in Moscow, housing and communal services are higher, apartment prices are the same, but wages are provincial. All taxes that are spelled out in the Federal Laws from ... to ... we have to the maximum. You cannot even submit reports to the Pension and Tax Service personally and for free. Only through a paid LLC "through communication channels". So, before referring to the Belgorod region, you need to know the price of good.
    4. felix34
      felix34 14 February 2014 21: 46
      0
      Grandfather - grandfather
      Let's start with the fact that according to claim 1 it is necessary to write "not at all less". A.3. After the words "what does the teacher do", put a comma. And so on. You are from a family of hereditary teachers! And what to expect from others? And look at what and HOW knowledge is taught in the current school and especially in universities. This is the BATTLE of Russian education! As in the fairy tale "The New Attire of the King"!
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    6. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 16 February 2014 22: 01
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      Dear Elena. For such a turn, the same society is needed, with some kind of discipline, with responsibility, with universal (compulsory) labor activity,


      hi Good koment ... it’s not clear why so many minuses.
      Quote: Chen
      4. Universities have degraded so much that they accept "everything".


      Well, yes ... a little more bribe ... consider it.

      Quote: Chen
      But when a child begins to "grow" into society, this is where trouble comes .... So we should look for the reasons not in the school, in the society that we have successfully built.


      Ay ya yay! You write about the earlier development of children and at the same time -
      Quote: Chen
      the child begins to "grow" into society, and this is where trouble comes ...


      Isn’t a child learning adulthood at school?
  29. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 14 February 2014 14: 45
    +3
    Publishing textbooks - what a fertile ground for cutting the dough. So everyone who is not lazy is cutting their hair. There is no single textbook, but there is no trial - and let's go, who is in what is much. Hence the corresponding knowledge of the younger generation. There are a lot of young "talents" in social networks, and mistakes ... in every word. But what a race for points on the exam. But, so far, the children of their Caucasian republics have the greatest number of Russian speakers.
    Anecdote in the topic:
    Question USE on literature:
    In what dress did Natasha Rostova dance at the first ball?
    1. In the green.
    2. In white.
    3. In red.

    Go to knowledge, gentlemen, students and students ...
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 15 February 2014 02: 17
      0
      - Why is ZIL not a Mercedes and in general Russian equipment is made through F ...?
      - You see, Russian designers are overloaded with brains - the left hemisphere is listening to propaganda, the right is comparing it with reality, and only the tip of the spinal cord is responsible for constructing ...
  30. OCD
    OCD 14 February 2014 15: 04
    +1
    And what happens from applicants with such basic knowledge?
    Who composed the textbooks in general have an idea of ​​the physiology of a normal person who, with all desire, cannot emit sulfur dioxide, even if he is very stressed.
    When burning, carbon monoxide CO and water are released, although everything changes, maybe something has changed in chemical reactions too.
    1. internatio
      internatio 15 February 2014 18: 00
      0
      That's really - everything is changing. Dear UBOP! In the Soviet school, even the Threesomes knew that when burning in air, carbon dioxide CO2 and water were released. And good guys and excellent students knew that with a lack of oxygen, CO and water and soot are released and ... However, I'm not talking about that.
      State system the formation of the Russian Federation is not as badly destroyed as in Ukraine. But if you look at the root of this phenomenon - the destruction of the best education system (and the USSR), then everything becomes clear.
  31. moremansf
    moremansf 14 February 2014 15: 45
    0
    Quote: Normman
    Save on schools? Go broke in prisons!

    Public education has reached the point ... the level of education is extremely low ... the level of teachers is falling every day ... at such a pace soon they will not remain at all ... who watched the film with Konstantin Khavensky in the main role - "Geographer drank the globe" ???? a vivid example of the state of our education ... a person who has nothing to do with pedagogy teaches at school ... this is a very common phenomenon in many rural schools and towns and cities ... education needs its own Shoigu to start putting things in order there ...
  32. mithridate
    mithridate 14 February 2014 15: 51
    +2
    one of the points of the plan for the collapse of the Slavic world is the destruction of the education system. And he successfully implemented
  33. konvalval
    konvalval 14 February 2014 16: 20
    0
    Yes, Ushinsky is not on them, but to him there is also Stalin.
  34. datolith
    datolith 14 February 2014 17: 04
    0
    Maybe this is thought out. But it can also be because there are bribes and extortions everywhere, everyone pushes his own way. Someone needs to show their work to come up with something. Whether it is necessary or not is not important. It happens that the teachers themselves begin to invent something that is not in other classes. I don’t know I probably need "WHIP".
  35. IS-3
    IS-3 14 February 2014 17: 33
    +1
    I myself am a village, I studied and grew up in the village. So, as a kid, I remember how the school used to prepare people not only to read and write. But she prepared for life. To the different abilities of children. If our guy didn't study very well. Or did not show the desire to move on after school. Then he stayed to work on the collective farm. But this is what I am leading to. That in my school they used to teach a tractor license. I even remember his MTZ. The girls had work. But the work is not what it is now. And the work where the little girl was taught to bake, sew, knit, etc. Man was really taught to live. There was a shooting range and horizontal bars, which are now as decoration. Yes, there were a lot of things ... And now ?! In my school, kids are like zombies, programmed to tick. Teachers who work for the award. And not for the knowledge of the student.
    1. teascher
      teascher 14 February 2014 18: 44
      0
      I agree with all your words, I studied MTZ and DT-75 at school, but I don’t agree with the last sentence. They don’t program them to tick off, it’s pointless without knowledge, and teachers have nothing to do with it. Examination. And about the bonuses you are wrong.
  36. My doctor
    My doctor 14 February 2014 18: 46
    0
    Count in your mind, without paper and especially without a calculator, what is written on the board


    if you have not counted then DO NOT READ MORE.
    usually people think so (100 + 121 + 144 + 169 + 196 + 225) / 365 = 2 what surprised me was that the guys I asked remember such squares. And as a gouge, I came up with the fact that the square of a number is equal to the sum of the square of the previous number and the values ​​of this number and the previous one, such as 11 ^ 2 = 10 ^ 2 + 10 + 11 = 121 or 12 ^ 2 = 11 ^ 2 + 11 + 12 = 144 and etc. Then the farther into the forest the more firewood I finally got ... in short, I got an Occam's blade. wassat
  37. demotivator
    demotivator 14 February 2014 18: 53
    +1
    “Mental humiliation and oppression by ignorant and selfish teachers produces devastation in the young soul that cannot be smoothed out and which have a fatal effect in adulthood ... In fact, it is almost a miracle that modern teaching methods have not yet completely stifled holy curiosity; this tender plant requires, along with encouragement, above all freedom — without it, it will inevitably perish. ”

    This is said by Albert Einstein. Not Makarenko, of course, but the man is also authoritative. Because he understood: education is primarily a teacher. And in the second too. Because without a personality there will be no education, she, a personality as an engine in a car. Without it, even if you lubricate, you still won’t go, even if there is a beep, a flasher and an on-board computer.
    And urgent appeals to come up with and introduce some kind of magical techniques there, it's just taxpayer wiring for money. Everything has already been invented. There will be good teachers - there will be education, but no four or forty-four of the most important subjects of Comrade. Fursenko or Livanova will not help here, with our pedagogical staff, education will remain as wretched as it is today.
    The whole world appreciates intelligence and talent. Not because they are so good, but because they know how to count and remember some historical facts. Pasteur's discoveries compensated France for the $ 15 billion loss from the defeat of 1871, the diesel engine and Edison's patents brought their countries profits of such sizes that they had not heard of before. Charlemagne sent people to all parts of the empire in search of talented youths, which created the Carolingian Revival. The Americans came up with Merit’s quick wit program, set up a search for gifted high school students a long time ago, and spend $ XNUMX billion annually on personal assistance to gifted children and the colleges where they study.
    There are opposite examples. In the nineteenth century, the Austrians loved mostly waltzes, but not very much technique. When engineer Marcus proposed a four-stroke engine to the government, he was told that there was too much noise from his invention. The authorities did not like other pioneering inventions of compatriots - a submarine, an airplane, a bicycle, a telephone and others. And the rifle invented in Austria, loaded not through the barrel, but by means of a bolt, was rejected due to the fact that the soldiers “would have shot cartridges too quickly”. And what did this lead to? Moreover, in 1866, Austria shamefully lost the war precisely because of technological backwardness. But at least they still had the waltzes of the ingenious Strauss, and we have one bored pop.
  38. chinararem
    chinararem 14 February 2014 19: 55
    +1
    With secondary schools - a disaster! Everyone understands this and everyone talks about it. They say little about innovations in art schools - musical, artistic, choreographic. The system of education of children in the field of culture is collapsing rapidly and irrevocably. Suddenly, after 20 years, a new Olympiad will have to be opened - and there will already be nobody (neither ballet, nor their musicians). Previously, there was a strict competition (exam) for each department. Now entrance examinations to music and choreographic schools are a formality, i.e. we take everyone. (I’m talking about my city. Maybe someone is doing better) In our art we still hold on (2 children per place). We carry out the selection honestly, to all the pedagogical council. The worst and most disgusting thing after the exams is that it will cope with the calls of all the big bureaucrats, on whom you depend, in principle, how to explain to them that although we are poor, we won’t take bribes, and their child does not have the abilities and desire to study, and the exam came because dad and mom wanted to.
  39. Nomad
    Nomad 14 February 2014 20: 05
    +1
    I like that the site began to publish articles about outstanding people who are not related to military topics. About Mendeleev, for example. I am a biologist by my first education, so chemistry is a specialized subject. My late mother is a chemist. Until now, there is a two-volume edition of "Great Chemists" from her. The name of Ushinsky and this picture "Oral counting" remembered after about 25 years of oblivion. I immediately remembered the primary classes 1986-1989, happy, carefree childhood and all that ...
  40. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 14 February 2014 20: 36
    +3
    Quote: ia-ai00
    It is necessary to return the Soviet textbooks, as they are, by adding new sections, taking into account the development of science and technology, to return the training system, as it was under the USSR, and to amuse teachers from PAPER DECORATION.
    And we also need to get rid of the "variety" of textbooks, they should be the same for the whole country.

    I completely agree good I just want to add, even in Soviet times there were also different textbooks. I remember when I was preparing for exams for a new textbook, I got confused with the integrals and found an older textbook where it turned out that these calculations can be deduced much easier request And the current education is hindered by "abstruse" officials and deputies, who already do not know what else to think about and raise their rating. And it also hinders the upbringing of children - this is our capitalist reality. When the richer the parents, the more they expose the rights to teachers, and do not touch their child. Indeed, earlier, even with a smaller spread in the prosperity of people, they introduced a school uniform so that there would be no unnecessary conversations among students. Maybe I put it a little messy, but I think you will understand hi
    1. Black
      Black 14 February 2014 20: 57
      +2
      Quote: Andrew Peter
      And today's education is hampered by "abstruse" officials and deputies

      I already wrote in the post above that it is not worth blaming everything on the "villains-officials", or at least somewhat simplifies the situation.
      We have changed the socio-economic structure of society, the political system. That school that we had in 60-70 will no longer be. And those children will also be gone.
      We in Volgograd have a wonderful person, a teacher of physical education at the university. Since the beginning of the 70s, he has been preparing children for the Moscow Physiological Olympiad ....
      So, if earlier a line of 20-30 guys was lining up for him (once I went through his hands and head), now he cannot find 2-3.
      About 2 years ago (HE told) his student, who became a prize winner, did not enter the physics department ... the economy ...
      He, a man for whom physics is the meaning and philosophy, lamented ... "How can that be! His vocation is to be a physicist, ... and he is a financier !!!! Horror!"

      Without changing society, expecting from children that they will be like us- children 60-70 is stupid.
      1. teascher
        teascher 15 February 2014 20: 08
        0
        You are completely wrong about the “villainous officials.” And what kind of structure has changed? And in general, in order to speak for education, you need not work in the system, but work as a teacher. Nothing personal --- but do not try to talk about what you do not know - this is not to all of you who consider themselves the New School Reformers.
  41. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 14 February 2014 21: 19
    0
    Quote: Chen
    Without changing society, expecting from children that they will be like us- children 60-70 is stupid.

    Totally agree fellow
  42. Barakuda
    Barakuda 14 February 2014 23: 05
    +2
    And for example, I check history teachers like this - And when did Russia fight with Iran, and how many times? In response, round pupils .. I add - Do you know that Russia can, according to the agreement, send troops into Iran in the event of a threat ... What happened in 1941 .... It is a pity no one answered so far.
    1. officer29
      officer29 15 February 2014 04: 09
      0
      Oh, how you grabbed! Yes, I myself recently learned that this Treaty exists and it has been ratified and its individual clauses (taking into account modern realities) are still valid! But in school and in the military school of history I had fives! request hi
  43. vkrav
    vkrav 14 February 2014 23: 17
    +2
    What for to study if mom and dad buy a certificate, and later a diploma? And even later they will be attached to a cushy place? An institute friend asked to pull up her beloved child in higher mathematics ... 3rd year, radio engineering faculty ... And the child does not even have a clue about logarithms and degrees !!! In mind (if this concept is applicable in this case) 5x6 cannot multiply ... To the question "How did you manage to reach the third year?" a direct and honest answer was received - "In the meantime, mum loot pours out - no one will kick me out!" That is the whole point of the current paid education ...
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 15 February 2014 00: 53
      0
      Quote: vkrav
      ? An institute friend asked me to pull up my favorite child in higher mathematics ... 3rd year, faculty of radio engineering ... But the child does not even have a clue about the logarithms and


      So I understand a friend graduated from college with you?
      A "pull up" the son in mathematics is not able to?
      It turns out it's not about the "bash", or is she also "bash"?, Then where are the times? recourse
      1. vkrav
        vkrav 15 February 2014 02: 46
        +1
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        So I understand a friend graduated from college with you?
        A "pull up" the son in mathematics is not able to?

        It's just that almost thirty years have passed ... Of course, in our times there was a saying that "it is better to have a red face and a blue diploma than vice versa", but not to the same extent! In our time, such a miracle would simply not have entered the institute ... There was such a phenomenon as entrance exams, and there was such a phenomenon as a competition ... Even if I entered, at the very first session 10 percent were eliminated. The only exception was, of course, national frames, as correctly noted belowlaughing
  44. Mih
    Mih 15 February 2014 00: 21
    0
    Quote: Arbatov
    First, comrade officers, start clearing the planet from yourself: buy a punctuation guide and put commas only where it is supposed to according to the rules of the Russian language.

    This is true. But Klava is not prone to punctuation. We've all learned by .... but by the keyboard lately. I'm sorry.
  45. Mih
    Mih 15 February 2014 00: 39
    +1
    Quote: vkrav
    3rd year, Faculty of Radio Engineering ... And the child does not even have a clue about logarithms and degrees !!!

    In Soviet times, it was the same for students from the North Caucasus. Or are you up to date?
    A joke about the readiness of a retaliatory strike - Georgians rule.
  46. wanderer
    wanderer 15 February 2014 00: 41
    0
    We all studied little by little
    Something and somehow,
    So bringing up, thank God,
    We have no reason to flash.
    1. Mih
      Mih 15 February 2014 01: 02
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      Do you know Pushkin? It is calming.
  47. Mih
    Mih 15 February 2014 00: 49
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    Quote: Barracuda
    And for example, I check history teachers like this


    And here, a professor of mathematics, Numerov, once at a lecture, told a joke that when they entered the Moscow State University, at the age of 30, they asked a question: determine the distance between Gomendan and China?
  48. Cristall
    Cristall 15 February 2014 02: 19
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    We have a whole university

    South Ukrainian National Pedagogical University named after K.D. Ushinsky (YuGPU)
    there such girls study ... mmm, honestly they say it’s hard to walk around the block to stay, especially in the summer ...
    Future educators ...
    Illiteracy should not be built into virtues (the Internet such as Contact ICQ, etc.) as far as I remember there was a time similar to Rasputin (he carries such a nonsense, and diplomats bow to his belt -Port-Arthur, Stepanov.A)
  49. vanaheym
    vanaheym 15 February 2014 05: 23
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    In Ukraine, it’s even worse. At school - in Ukrainian, at home - in Russian, in my company - in some unknown surzhik (especially noticeable in VKontakte).
    Knowledge of foreign languages ​​is about the same level. Knowledge of the exact sciences is for suckers.
    It’s scary to think what kind of education my grandchildren will have.
    1. internatio
      internatio 15 February 2014 18: 22
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      So it turns out that one of the main tasks of the current situation in Ukraine is to change the content of education. And, the study of the native language (Russian) should be returned to the Soviet program. There is a patriotic component, and a cultural one. At the same time, at the request of the parents, Ukrainian, Greek, Crimean Tatar, and Armenian should be studied, depending on which diasporas there are. Foreign languages ​​are studied, sometimes at a very high level. Sometimes even better than Russian, unfortunately. And exact sciences as well.
      But labor training (in the Crimea) was ruined - the workshops are closed and stolen, the boys are engaged in embroidery and applique work.
      Therefore, so far it depends only on the family what kind of education a son or grandson will receive. Educate and get the result. And demand the observance of their interests in the education system.
    2. O_RUS
      O_RUS 17 February 2014 07: 02
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      Quote: vanaheym
      It’s scary to think what kind of education my grandchildren will have


      What you leave behind you will have.
  50. OPTR
    OPTR 15 February 2014 18: 23
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    Errors in textbooks can also be used if you explain to students and show with examples that there may also be errors.
    They are written by people who may be mistaken by accident or on purpose.
    Thoughtless faith in the printed word brought enough trouble.
    It would be good to teach understanding that not everything written, even in the textbook, is true.
    It would be good to develop critical perception from childhood.
    But this is just a little taught, including many of us.