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Russian Kosovo

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Russian Kosovo
Russian refugees from the Caucasian republics are commonplace. But now citizens are fleeing ethnic strife from the only Russian region of the North Caucasus Federal District - from Stavropol. Other residents of Stavropol, on the contrary, write in open letters to the president that they will not go anywhere and demand "to stop the policy of squeezing the Russians out." The topic began to seep on federal TV - silence is no longer considered an indisputable panacea for interethnic tensions.

On February 16, unregistered (free) Cossacks will hold the Great Cossack Circle in Vladikavkaz. The agenda of the congress can be summed up in one word - survival.

Cossacks without Nagay

It is not surprising that the main exponent of Russian discontent in the Stavropol region, as it is generally found in southern Russia, is Cossacks. It was the Cossacks who were appointed in the Russian Empire. regulator interethnic relations in the Caucasus.

“General Yermolov understood: the annexed people cannot be influenced by the army, they can only be influenced by another people, more organized. In 1864, the fate of the Caucasian war, which lasted a hundred years, was entrusted to the hands of the Cossacks, and already in 1867 it stopped, - says the ataman of the Caucasian Cossack Line (KKL) Yuri Churekov... - To be honest, another Cossack can stoop to receive a bribe from a Russian. But a hereditary Cossack from a Caucasian will never accept a bribe, under any circumstances. "

In the "dashing 90-e" in connection with the general chaos of the Cossacks of Stavropol regained some of the special pre-revolutionary powers and treated the visitors as they wanted. It came to crying lawlessness: frisky lads shreds the goods of visiting traders in market stalls with drafts, tore their passports to shreds, and the guests themselves were flogged. By the "zero" such amateur activities have come to naught. The state order has been strengthened, but ... with overlap in the other direction.

«85% the population of Stavropol are Russians. At the same time, the share of Russians in the local power structures - 50% (20 years ago, it was almost 100%). Can talk about focused discrimination of Russians on ethnic grounds, - continues the ataman Churekov. - Most of the interethnic conflicts in the region are resolved by the state in favor of the guests, and it does not matter who was the instigator. For a fight with them, they are punished especially severely, and even add a term for inciting ethnic hatred. And the guests themselves are either allowed to go home, or (if the Russians begin to actively hold meetings) they are imprisoned in order to send them to serve time in their native republic after a while, where they will soon be released. "

When asked to recall some resonant incident, the ataman reacts emotionally: “What kind of incident do you need? Stabbing? Murder? Rape? Trade weapons? Kidnapping? We have all this here as "hello". One continuous case - every day in all points of the region. Tomorrow at half past nine in the morning we will hold a rally: the Cossacks are once again being tried for rebuffing the visiting thugs. When someone says that the Cossacks are on patrol with the police, keep in mind: this is chatter. This is about registry - mummers - Cossacks who simply perform the function of witnesses. There are three cops - one Russian and two non-Russians, and with them two mummers, so that at least the appearance of national equality is respected. In personal conversations, the police chiefs tell us: the guests have problems with integration into our legal field, and if they are punished, then eight out of ten guests will have to be punished, but we cannot do that. Traffic cops are generally afraid to slow down the violating guests - they immediately brandish their weapons: "What particular barrel do you want a fine from?"

Through equality to brotherhood

Another claim of Stavropol residents to neighbors - economic... Using the power resource, the newcomers are buying up land and all kinds of business in the region. Taxes are paid in bad faith, revenue is not left in the region.

“I am not offended by the neighbors. They behave as the owners allow them, - comments from the Stavropol citizen Sergey Popov, coordinator of the public movement "Russian Unity of the Caucasus". - Stavropol has been assigned the role of a donor for the ailing economy of the North Caucasian republics. Our region supplies them with electricity cheaper than the residents of Stavropol themselves. Business conditions are also more favorable for guests (and if a Russian opens a company in Chechnya, it will last for a week and a half). Plenipotentiary A. Khloponin interested in the outflow of the Russian population from the region. The logic is simple: let the North Caucasians come here, and not to Moscow. ”

It was public figures, not bureaucrats and deputies, who for two years sought the inclusion of Stavropol in target program “South of Russia”, in which all the North Caucasian republics participate, as well as Kalmykia и Adygea. This is an urgent need for the Stavropol region, since there are no serious investors willing to invest in the region's economy (and no wonder: they shoot here). Khloponin finally promised to include the region into the program, but the public activists are in no hurry to celebrate the victory: the conditions for participation are not clear. Known plenipotentiary desire to transfer the state Stavropol resort-agglomeration of the Caucasian Mineral Waters in the property State company "Resorts of the North Caucasus". If this becomes a condition, then it is better to do without a program, consider the Stavropol residents.

“Khloponin wrote in his strategy that it is necessary to support the Russian population. But how? Russians not mentioned in state regulations. If you ask at Ministry of Economic Development money to support the Russians, they say there: who are these - the Russians? There they know Chechen Republic, Dagestan, Ingush, and the word "Russian" is not on the map of the country, - S. Popov notes. - As part of the North Caucasus Federal District only Russian region - The Stavropol region has no republican status. Republics are considered territories subject-forming peoples, and the Stavropol region - a common land, no man's. We do not demand to withdraw us from the North Caucasus Federal District, we do not want to run away anywhere. The solution to the problem lies in the equalization of rights - in the proclamation of the region Stavropol Russian Republic... Then the authorities of the region will not hesitate to talk about Russian interests, as Chechen leaders talk about Chechen interests, and Dagestani - about Dagestan. Our neighbors will respect us, because in the Caucasus they perfectly understand what their own land, their home means ”.

S. Popov is sure that such a statement of the problem will not aggravate the national question, and as an argument he cites his own long-term experience of working in the Stavropol Committee for Nationalities Affairs and in the embassy (after a month of working with Khloponin, he retired). “When the war in Chechnya began, it was thanks to our relations with our neighbors that it didn’t flare up around us,” says Popov. - There was not a single clash with Chechnya along the entire border, because we held back the zealous guys on both sides. After the militants attacked Budyonnovsk, about half a thousand Cossacks were ready to start deporting all Chechens from the region. We didn't let them do it. With a competent national policy, the Stavropol region alone will be able to improve relations of the whole country with the Caucasus. We know how to negotiate with each other. "

Not long left?

After some time, to declare the edge of the Stavropol Russian Republic will late: he gradually ceases to be Russian. Increasingly, on the houses appear signs "for sale." In the east of the region, there is an enclavization, especially in Kursk и Neftekumsk areas. Once Russian villages are now entirely inhabited by visitors. Conflicts no longer arise between the indigenous population and the newcomers - representatives of different peoples of Dagestan are in conflict with each other, transferring a civil war from their republic to the region. In addition, the region became a new springboard for terrorism: at the end of last year, the FSB discovered in the city of Stavropol shahidok training centerwho visited from 30 to 40 girls.

Political scientist Konstantin Krylov calls what is happening in the Stavropol Territory politically correct - "Unfriendly colonization"... “The need for colonization is understandable: the republics, thanks to federal subsidies, demonstrate a record birth rate and, accordingly, an abundance of active youth. After the Stavropol region was officially declared part of the North Caucasus, this colonization received quasi-legal grounds, says Krylov. - Even the most beautiful person begins to create lawlessness, feeling permissiveness. You have to understand: we are not talking about the fact that the Cossacks and other Russians cannot fight back the visiting hooligans. They can. But the native state actively prevents them from defending themselves. - for the sake of appeasing the North Caucasus in exchange for loyalty. The Kremlin is not interested in Russian loyalty, since Russians are mostly harmless. When any noticeable Russian indignation with a force component arises, the authorities begin to behave somewhat differently - let us recall Biryulyovo.

Such a policy will cost Russia a lot. expensive. If everything continues as it is, the exodus of the Russian population from Stavropol is inevitable (look at the republics of the North Caucasus, from where the Russians have already left) ”.

The frightening forecast of a political scientist is not the most pessimistic. It can be assumed that the Stavropol business will not end, and it will be followed Krasnodar region, Rostov, Volgograd regions ...

But there is also an optimistic forecast: after the Olympics, the policy of reconciliation of the Caucasus will be adjustedIn this case, the Olympics-2014 really will be a milestone of the Russian stories.

What is the Stavropol region for Russia

about 1 million tons of oil per year;

- about 100 million cubic meters of associated gas per year;

- about 300 million cubic meters of natural gas per year;

- about 6 million tons of grain per year (the best breadbasket, the visiting card of Russia on the world agrarian arena);

- seven power plants with a total energy production of about 18 billion kW / h per year;

- two airports;

- the largest resort region of the country - Caucasian Mineral Waters, which has no analogues in all of Eurasia in terms of quantity, variety and value of mineral waters;

- 10 universities, three research institutes, one philharmonic;

- objects of engineering, chemical, food, light, glass, microbiological industry.

Bound hand and foot

Process, which in the 90s was declared the revival of the Cossacks, today many Cossacks are perceived as a farce. Registered - that is, entered in the state register - the Cossack troops have the status of non-profit organizations, while their leadership for some reason is approved by the Ministry of Regional Development. The ranks and shoulder straps in these troops are allegedly recognized by the state: the legislation specifically stipulates that the ranks of unregistered Cossacks cannot be equated with similar ranks of Registered Cossacks. Participants register for a special Cossack account at the military registration and enlistment office, but in reality the registered troops do not carry any "sovereign service". They would be glad, but the state does not give them such an opportunity.

Registered Terek Cossack Host officially has about 30 thousand Cossacks SKFO. Of these, only a few dozen do professional patrols and get paid for it from the state. Last summer, the newly elected Ataman troops Sergey Klimenko wrote an open letter to the president and posed the question squarely: if the duties imposed by the state on the Cossacks to protect law and order not an empty formality, then for their implementation the Cossacks need authority, as well as means of subsistence.

The ataman did not ask for money directly - only resources for military self-support. Namely: to transfer to the operational management of the troops the state block of shares of JSC "Kavminkurortresursy" and state "Kizlyar Brandy Factory", since these objects in the Russian Empire were created not by one generation of Cossacks; to allocate a building for the headquarters troops with the subsequent construction of a military temple on this territory; give troops 100 thousand hectares of land agricultural purposes; give the army quotas fishing for seafood in the Caspian Sea, production and sale of alcoholic beverages; open youth Cossack centers with technical equipment in all subjects of the North Caucasus Federal District. For the Cossacks to have any real powers to create in the republics state institutions "Republican Cossack Center" with a staff of at least 10 people who would obey not local to the authorities, and the state; in the places of compact residence of the Cossacks enter the position deputy head of administration for the elected chieftain of the local Cossack community.

In response to Klimenko's requests, the authorities voiced their request to him - to leave the post, which the chieftain did. The former chieftain returned to his place - Vasily Bondarev, a big man, in the past, the first secretary of the local city committee of the CPSU. His authority in the army did not recognize everything, as the Cossack circle for his election, Bondarev held behind closed doors, and he also set the police on those Cossacks who obstructed him (an unprecedented case).

Dissatisfaction with Bondarev in the army and outside the army has been outlined for a long time, and now it is growing with particular force. For 12 years of his chieftainship in the Stavropol Territory, a tradition developed: under his patronage, the chieftains of local communities received from the state hundreds of hectares of land for the Cossacks, and used them at their own discretion.

“Who else has not cling to the Cossacks for mercantile reasons: thieves, and security officials, and party workers. We, free Cossacks, are between mummers and thieves, - says the chieftain of the Caucasian Cossack line Y. Churekov. - The authorities pretend that they have rehabilitated the Cossack people subjected to genocide, and the "professional Cossacks" pretend that they are "serving as the sovereign." It's like rocking an immovable train and saying that it is on its way. If this continues, then only atamans who are fed by the authorities will remain in the register. We want to truly serve Russia and protect our people, and not stage a masquerade like the American Indians. "

Now KKL is actively working to unite the free Cossacks of the whole country. The number of organizations has now reached 17 thousand people.

Russian church about Russian problems

They also began to talk about the oppression of Russians in the south of Russia in the ROC. Metropolitan Kirill (Pokrovsky) of Stavropol and Nevinnomyssky He said: “We used to think that only small nations need protection. This is not true. In many republics, the Russian population is a minority, often oppressed on ethnic or religious grounds. ”

Separately, the metropolitan touched upon the topic of Stavropol: “Uncontrolled migration processes, interethnic conflicts, which are often artificially given the status of domestic quarrels, lack of jobs, poor quality of education and health care, force the Russian-speaking population to leave their homes and move to other regions.”

According to the bishop, interethnic conflicts will stop, “if the residents of the neighboring republics coming here will be firmly convinced that in the event of a crime, they will not only not receive the protection and patronage of the diasporas, but will also have problems in their small homeland”.

Bloody weekdays

One of the most notable incidents of the past year in the city of Stavropol was a fight involving the 24-year-old Deputy Minister of Communications of Ingushetia and two other residents of the republic. The Cossack was made disabled by stabbing him in the stomach with a knife. A wave of popular indignation followed. Whoever struck directly was sentenced to 10 years in prison. The other two, including the deputy minister, are 6 years old. “It's good that at least the ministers from the republics don't come to fight,” says the coordinator of the Russian Unity of the Caucasus public movement. S. Popov... “President Yevkurov behaved like a real man: he visited our region three times, drove out fellow countrymen-students, communicated with families”. But the most notorious conflict in the region in recent years is the murder of a pilot Nikolay Naumenko in Nevinnomyssk. “Chechnya betrayed the murderer’s brother, who was standing nearby, - he is entitled to a suspended sentence. And look for the killer, fistulas. Chechnya does not betray murderers. Even if our authorities wanted to demand it, they could not. I worked in a group for the release of hostages and I know very well what it is like to look for people in Chechnya, ”says S. Popov.

It is significant that during the rally over the murder of Naumenko, the police detained a 141 man. About 400 people were detained in Biryulyovo. It is enough to compare the population of multimillion Moscow and the one hundred thousandth Nevinnomyssk to understand the scale of the problem in the region.

Russian refugees from the Caucasian republics are commonplace. But now citizens are fleeing ethnic strife from the only Russian region of the North Caucasus Federal District - from Stavropol. Other residents of Stavropol, on the contrary, write in open letters to the president that they will not go anywhere and demand "to stop the policy of squeezing the Russians out." The topic began to seep on federal TV - silence is no longer considered an indisputable panacea for interethnic tensions.

On February 16, unregistered (free) Cossacks will hold the Great Cossack Circle in Vladikavkaz. The agenda of the congress can be summed up in one word - survival.

Cossacks without Nagay

It is not surprising that the main exponent of Russian discontent in the Stavropol region, as it is generally found in southern Russia, is Cossacks. It was the Cossacks who were appointed in the Russian Empire. regulator interethnic relations in the Caucasus.

“General Yermolov understood: the annexed people cannot be influenced by the army, they can only be influenced by another people, more organized. In 1864, the fate of the Caucasian war, which lasted a hundred years, was entrusted to the hands of the Cossacks, and already in 1867 it stopped, - says the ataman of the Caucasian Cossack Line (KKL) Yuri Churekov... - To be honest, another Cossack can stoop to receive a bribe from a Russian. But a hereditary Cossack from a Caucasian will never accept a bribe, under any circumstances. "

In the "dashing 90-e" in connection with the general chaos of the Cossacks of Stavropol regained some of the special pre-revolutionary powers and treated the visitors as they wanted. It came to crying lawlessness: frisky lads shreds the goods of visiting traders in market stalls with drafts, tore their passports to shreds, and the guests themselves were flogged. By the "zero" such amateur activities have come to naught. The state order has been strengthened, but ... with overlap in the other direction.

«85% the population of Stavropol are Russians. At the same time, the share of Russians in the local power structures - 50% (20 years ago, it was almost 100%). Can talk about focused discrimination of Russians on ethnic grounds, - continues the ataman Churekov. - Most of the interethnic conflicts in the region are resolved by the state in favor of the guests, and it does not matter who was the instigator. For a fight with them, they are punished especially severely, and even add a term for inciting ethnic hatred. And the guests themselves are either allowed to go home, or (if the Russians begin to actively hold meetings) they are imprisoned in order to send them to serve time in their native republic after a while, where they will soon be released. "

When asked to recall some resonant case, the ataman reacts emotionally: “What case is it for you? Stabbing? Murder? Rape? Arms trade? Kidnapping? We have all this here as "hello". One continuous case - every day in all points of the region. Tomorrow at half past nine in the morning we will hold a rally: the Cossacks are once again being tried for rebuffing the visiting thugs. When someone says that the Cossacks are on patrol with the police, keep in mind: this is chatter. This is about registry - mummers - Cossacks who simply perform the function of witnesses. There are three cops - one Russian and two non-Russians, and with them two mummers, so that at least the appearance of national equality is respected. In personal conversations, the police chiefs tell us: the guests have problems with integration into our legal field, and if they are punished, then eight out of ten guests will have to be punished, but we cannot do that. Traffic cops are generally afraid to slow down the violating guests - they immediately brandish their weapons: "What particular barrel do you want a fine from?"

Through equality to brotherhood

Another claim of Stavropol residents to neighbors - economic... Using the power resource, the newcomers are buying up land and all kinds of business in the region. Taxes are paid in bad faith, revenue is not left in the region.

“I am not offended by the neighbors. They behave as the owners allow them, - comments from the Stavropol citizen Sergey Popov, coordinator of the public movement "Russian Unity of the Caucasus". - Stavropol has been assigned the role of a donor for the ailing economy of the North Caucasian republics. Our region supplies them with electricity cheaper than the residents of Stavropol themselves. Business conditions are also more favorable for guests (and if a Russian opens a company in Chechnya, it will last for a week and a half). Plenipotentiary A. Khloponin interested in the outflow of the Russian population from the region. The logic is simple: let the North Caucasians come here, and not to Moscow. ”

It was public figures, not bureaucrats and deputies, who for two years sought the inclusion of Stavropol in target program “South of Russia”, in which all the North Caucasian republics participate, as well as Kalmykia и Adygea. This is an urgent need for the Stavropol region, since there are no serious investors willing to invest in the region's economy (and no wonder: they shoot here). Khloponin finally promised to include the region into the program, but the public activists are in no hurry to celebrate the victory: the conditions for participation are not clear. Known plenipotentiary desire to transfer the state Stavropol resort-agglomeration of the Caucasian Mineral Waters in the property State company "Resorts of the North Caucasus". If this becomes a condition, then it is better to do without a program, consider the Stavropol residents.

“Khloponin wrote in his strategy that it is necessary to support the Russian population. But how? Russians not mentioned in state regulations. If you ask at Ministry of Economic Development money to support the Russians, they say there: who are these - the Russians? There they know Chechen Republic, Dagestan, Ingush, and the word "Russian" is not on the map of the country, - S. Popov notes. - As part of the North Caucasus Federal District only Russian region - The Stavropol region has no republican status. Republics are considered territories subject-forming peoples, and the Stavropol region - a common land, no man's. We do not demand to withdraw us from the North Caucasus Federal District, we do not want to run away anywhere. The solution to the problem lies in the equalization of rights - in the proclamation of the region Stavropol Russian Republic... Then the authorities of the region will not hesitate to talk about Russian interests, as Chechen leaders talk about Chechen interests, and Dagestani - about Dagestan. Our neighbors will respect us, because in the Caucasus they perfectly understand what their own land, their home means ”.

S. Popov is sure that such a statement of the problem will not aggravate the national question, and as an argument he cites his own long-term experience of working in the Stavropol Committee for Nationalities Affairs and in the embassy (after a month of working with Khloponin, he retired). “When the war in Chechnya began, it was thanks to our relations with our neighbors that it didn’t flare up around us,” says Popov. - There was not a single clash with Chechnya along the entire border, because we held back the zealous guys on both sides. After the militants attacked Budyonnovsk, about half a thousand Cossacks were ready to start deporting all Chechens from the region. We didn't let them do it. With a competent national policy, the Stavropol region alone will be able to improve relations of the whole country with the Caucasus. We know how to negotiate with each other. "

Not long left?

After some time, to declare the edge of the Stavropol Russian Republic will late: he gradually ceases to be Russian. Increasingly, on the houses appear signs "for sale." In the east of the region, there is an enclavization, especially in Kursk и Neftekumsk areas. Once Russian villages are now entirely inhabited by visitors. Conflicts no longer arise between the indigenous population and the newcomers - representatives of different peoples of Dagestan are in conflict with each other, transferring a civil war from their republic to the region. In addition, the region became a new springboard for terrorism: at the end of last year, the FSB discovered in the city of Stavropol shahidok training centerwho visited from 30 to 40 girls.

Political scientist Konstantin Krylov calls what is happening in the Stavropol Territory politically correct - "Unfriendly colonization"... “The need for colonization is understandable: the republics, thanks to federal subsidies, demonstrate a record birth rate and, accordingly, an abundance of active youth. After the Stavropol region was officially declared part of the North Caucasus, this colonization received quasi-legal grounds, says Krylov. - Even the most beautiful person begins to create lawlessness, feeling permissiveness. You have to understand: we are not talking about the fact that the Cossacks and other Russians cannot fight back the visiting hooligans. They can. But the native state actively prevents them from defending themselves. - for the sake of appeasing the North Caucasus in exchange for loyalty. The Kremlin is not interested in Russian loyalty, since Russians are mostly harmless. When any noticeable Russian indignation with a force component arises, the authorities begin to behave somewhat differently - let us recall Biryulyovo.

Such a policy will cost Russia a lot. expensive. If everything continues as it is, the exodus of the Russian population from Stavropol is inevitable (look at the republics of the North Caucasus, from where the Russians have already left) ”.

The frightening forecast of a political scientist is not the most pessimistic. It can be assumed that the Stavropol business will not end, and it will be followed Krasnodar region, Rostov, Volgograd regions ...

But there is also an optimistic forecast: after the Olympics, the policy of reconciliation of the Caucasus will be adjustedIn this case, the Olympics-2014 really will be a milestone in Russian history.

What is the Stavropol region for Russia

about 1 million tons of oil per year;

- about 100 million cubic meters of associated gas per year;

- about 300 million cubic meters of natural gas per year;

- about 6 million tons of grain per year (the best breadbasket, the visiting card of Russia on the world agrarian arena);

- seven power plants with a total energy production of about 18 billion kW / h per year;

- two airports;

- the largest resort region of the country - Caucasian Mineral Waters, which has no analogues in all of Eurasia in terms of quantity, variety and value of mineral waters;

- 10 universities, three research institutes, one philharmonic;

- objects of engineering, chemical, food, light, glass, microbiological industry.

Bound hand and foot

Process, which in the 90s was declared the revival of the Cossacks, today many Cossacks are perceived as a farce. Registered - that is, entered in the state register - the Cossack troops have the status of non-profit organizations, while their leadership for some reason is approved by the Ministry of Regional Development. The ranks and shoulder straps in these troops are allegedly recognized by the state: the legislation specifically stipulates that the ranks of unregistered Cossacks cannot be equated with similar ranks of Registered Cossacks. Participants register for a special Cossack account at the military registration and enlistment office, but in reality the registered troops do not carry any "sovereign service". They would be glad, but the state does not give them such an opportunity.

Registered Terek Cossack Host officially has about 30 thousand Cossacks SKFO. Of these, only a few dozen do professional patrols and get paid for it from the state. Last summer, the newly elected Ataman troops Sergey Klimenko wrote an open letter to the president and posed the question squarely: if the duties imposed by the state on the Cossacks to protect law and order not an empty formality, then for their implementation the Cossacks need authority, as well as means of subsistence.

The ataman did not ask for money directly - only resources for military self-support. Namely: to transfer to the operational management of the troops the state block of shares of JSC "Kavminkurortresursy" and state "Kizlyar Brandy Factory", since these objects in the Russian Empire were created not by one generation of Cossacks; to allocate a building for the headquarters troops with the subsequent construction of a military temple on this territory; give troops 100 thousand hectares of land agricultural purposes; give the army quotas fishing for seafood in the Caspian Sea, production and sale of alcoholic beverages; open youth Cossack centers with technical equipment in all subjects of the North Caucasus Federal District. For the Cossacks to have any real powers to create in the republics state institutions "Republican Cossack Center" with a staff of at least 10 people who would obey not local to the authorities, and the state; in the places of compact residence of the Cossacks enter the position deputy head of administration for the elected chieftain of the local Cossack community.

In response to Klimenko's requests, the authorities voiced their request to him - to leave the post, which the chieftain did. The former chieftain returned to his place - Vasily Bondarev, a big man, in the past, the first secretary of the local city committee of the CPSU. His authority in the army did not recognize everything, as the Cossack circle for his election, Bondarev held behind closed doors, and he also set the police on those Cossacks who obstructed him (an unprecedented case).

Dissatisfaction with Bondarev in the army and outside the army has been outlined for a long time, and now it is growing with particular force. For 12 years of his chieftainship in the Stavropol Territory, a tradition developed: under his patronage, the chieftains of local communities received from the state hundreds of hectares of land for the Cossacks, and used them at their own discretion.

“Who else has not cling to the Cossacks for mercantile reasons: thieves, and security officials, and party workers. We, free Cossacks, are between mummers and thieves, - says the chieftain of the Caucasian Cossack line Y. Churekov. - The authorities pretend that they have rehabilitated the Cossack people subjected to genocide, and the "professional Cossacks" pretend that they are "serving as the sovereign." It's like rocking an immovable train and saying that it is on its way. If this continues, then only atamans who are fed by the authorities will remain in the register. We want to truly serve Russia and protect our people, and not stage a masquerade like the American Indians. "

Now KKL is actively working to unite the free Cossacks of the whole country. The number of organizations has now reached 17 thousand people.

Russian church about Russian problems

They also began to talk about the oppression of Russians in the south of Russia in the ROC. Metropolitan Kirill (Pokrovsky) of Stavropol and Nevinnomyssky He said: “We used to think that only small nations need protection. This is not true. In many republics, the Russian population is a minority, often oppressed on ethnic or religious grounds. ”

Separately, the metropolitan touched upon the topic of Stavropol: “Uncontrolled migration processes, interethnic conflicts, which are often artificially given the status of domestic quarrels, lack of jobs, poor quality of education and health care, force the Russian-speaking population to leave their homes and move to other regions.”

According to the bishop, interethnic conflicts will stop, “if the residents of the neighboring republics coming here will be firmly convinced that in the event of a crime, they will not only not receive the protection and patronage of the diasporas, but will also have problems in their small homeland”.

Bloody weekdays

One of the most notable incidents of the past year in the city of Stavropol was a fight involving the 24-year-old Deputy Minister of Communications of Ingushetia and two other residents of the republic. The Cossack was made disabled by stabbing him in the stomach with a knife. A wave of popular indignation followed. Whoever struck directly was sentenced to 10 years in prison. The other two, including the deputy minister, are 6 years old. “It's good that at least the ministers from the republics don't come to fight,” says the coordinator of the Russian Unity of the Caucasus public movement. S. Popov... “President Yevkurov behaved like a real man: he visited our region three times, drove out fellow countrymen-students, communicated with families”. But the most notorious conflict in the region in recent years is the murder of a pilot Nikolay Naumenko in Nevinnomyssk. “Chechnya betrayed the murderer’s brother, who was standing nearby, - he is entitled to a suspended sentence. And look for the killer, fistulas. Chechnya does not betray murderers. Even if our authorities wanted to demand it, they could not. I worked in a group for the release of hostages and I know very well what it is like to look for people in Chechnya, ”says S. Popov.

It is significant that during the rally over the murder of Naumenko, the police detained a 141 man. About 400 people were detained in Biryulyovo. It is enough to compare the population of multimillion Moscow and the one hundred thousandth Nevinnomyssk to understand the scale of the problem in the region.

Russian refugees from the Caucasian republics are commonplace. But now citizens are fleeing ethnic strife from the only Russian region of the North Caucasus Federal District - from Stavropol. Other residents of Stavropol, on the contrary, write in open letters to the president that they will not go anywhere and demand "to stop the policy of squeezing the Russians out." The topic began to seep on federal TV - silence is no longer considered an indisputable panacea for interethnic tensions.

On February 16, unregistered (free) Cossacks will hold the Great Cossack Circle in Vladikavkaz. The agenda of the congress can be summed up in one word - survival.

Cossacks without Nagay

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    siberalt 14 February 2014 06: 22
    +26
    In fact, Russians are a substrate for the growth of all peoples except the Russians themselves. If the Soviets were afraid to create a communist party of the RSFSR in order to avoid dual power, then now what else is needed? In my opinion, Khloponin is right in proposing the creation of the Stavropol Russian autonomy (republic). Well, if you can’t write in the Russian Constitution, as a nation forming a nation, then there is no ban on the formation of national autonomies. Down and Out trouble started.
    1. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. 14 February 2014 07: 10
      +16
      Quote: siberalt
      Down and Out trouble started.


      Enough is divided .... in the 20 years of the last century they divided the Russian empire into republics and got the fact that in 90 years the national clans broke the Union, and if we now follow the dividers then in 2-3 years we will have a civil massacre ... The authorities need to be tougher to explain to any diaspora who is the boss in the house ....
      But unfortunately the power is not master's but managerial.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 14 February 2014 07: 54
        0
        Quote: Vladimir.z.
        Authorities need to be tougher to explain to any diaspora who is the boss in the house ....

        Along the way, you do not know the meaning of the word diaspora, Caucasians are basically not diasporas, but autochthons.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 14 February 2014 08: 32
          -23%
          When pulling an owl on a globe it is very noticeable for people who are not subject to strong emotions.

          An article from the same series.
          They are trying to inflate the real problem of the south of Russia to the level of a national catastrophe.

          There is a problem - YES
          She is terrible - NO
          Will creating autonomy help this problem? - NO, if you do not agree, then answer how?

          The problem can be solved only when the socio-economic situation in the North Caucasus is normalized, jobs will appear and so on. And this is already happening, but the speed is low and it is annoying

          Unfortunately, the wars of 90x and the beginning of 2000x did their job, now there is a long and painful path of recovery.
          1. Cetegg
            Cetegg 14 February 2014 08: 39
            +25
            I will answer with the Russian proverb "no matter how much you feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest"! there are such "people" for whom no matter how much you give them everything will be little, only the appetite will increase! Read the story, one of the main reasons for the Caucasian wars of the 19th century in the constant raids of "peaceful and kind, high-mountain residents" on the territory of "evil" Russians who decided to populate empty lands ...
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 14 February 2014 08: 50
              -19%
              Quote: Cetegg
              Read the story, one of the main reasons for the Caucasian wars of the 19th century in the constant raids of "peaceful and kind, high-mountain residents" on the territory of "evil" Russians who decided to populate empty lands ...


              I advise you to reread this story, and then look at it through the prism of the policy of our Western "partners".

              Quote: Cetegg
              I will answer with the Russian proverb "no matter how much you feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest"! there are such "people" for whom no matter how much you give them everything will be little, only the appetite will increase!


              What is the balance between what Chechnya receives from state subsidies and what the state receives from Chechnya in the form of the same oil?
              1. calocha
                calocha 14 February 2014 09: 34
                0
                And you put a plus, and the output is minus. (((
              2. Cetegg
                Cetegg 14 February 2014 09: 49
                +8
                Our western "partners" very simply solved the problem of indigenous people, maybe we should have learned from their experience ?!) If you want to live like a "white" person - live, no - welcome to the reservation)))
              3. Cetegg
                Cetegg 14 February 2014 10: 32
                +8
                "The volume of oil production in Chechnya in 2009 amounted to 1 thousand tons of oil, or 560 billion rubles and 35,258 million cubic meters of gas, or 490 billion rubles. As a result, the cost of annually produced hydrocarbons in Chechnya is 4,133 billion rubles. The Chechen Republic, in turn, received grants of 39,391 billion rubles, hence the balance is minus 58,115 billion rubles. " - and this is only a small part! I'm not talking about a bunch of programs for "restoration" and "development" Sorry, but this is no longer a subsidy, but a tribute!)))
              4. Setrac
                Setrac 14 February 2014 11: 45
                +3
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                What is the balance between what Chechnya receives from state subsidies and what the state receives from Chechnya in the form of the same oil?

                The balance is EXTREMELY NEGATIVE. Chechnya, all the Caucasian republics are subsidized.
                1. sledgehammer102
                  sledgehammer102 14 February 2014 13: 40
                  -4
                  Quote: Setrac

                  The balance is EXTREMELY NEGATIVE. Chechnya, all the Caucasian republics are subsidized.


                  And which region is the absolute leader in subsidies ???? Or, for example, the federal district?
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 14 February 2014 13: 51
                    0
                    Quote: sledgehammer102
                    And which region is the absolute leader in subsidies ???? Or, for example, the federal district?

                    Far Eastern, the most subsidized are the Far Eastern republics of the Russian Federation.
                    1. Cetegg
                      Cetegg 14 February 2014 20: 11
                      0
                      Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug - 0,08%
                      Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug - 0,97%
                      Tyumen region - 1,15%
                      Nenets Autonomous Okrug - 1,42%
                      Moscow - 2,39%
                      Samara region - 4,31%
                      Perm Territory - 5,03%
                      St. Petersburg - 5,30%
                      Komi Republic - 5,32%
                      Lipetsk region - 5,49%
                      Vologda Oblast - 5,52%
                      Sverdlovsk Region - 6,27%
                      Aginsky Buryat Autonomous Okrug - 6,43%
                      Leningrad Region - 6,48%
                      Yaroslavl region - 7,93%
                      Chelyabinsk Region - 9,40%
                      Orenburg region - 9,83%
                      Moscow region - 10,00%
                      Kemerovo region - 10,53%
                      Udmurt Republic - 10,76%
                      Nizhny Novgorod Region - 11,59%
                      Tomsk Region - 12,89%
                      Novosibirsk region - 13,14%
                      Krasnoyarsk Territory - 14,50%
                      Republic of Tatarstan - 15,34%
                      Belgorod region - 15,35%
                      Volgograd region - 16,17%
                      Irkutsk region - 16,21%
                      Republic of Karelia - 17,21%
                      Republic of Khakassia - 17,28%
                      Smolensk region - 17,39%
                      Republic of Bashkortostan - 17,66%
                      Kaliningrad region - 17,71%
                      Krasnodar Territory - 17,78%
                      Tula region - 17,85%
                      Ryazan region - 18,07%
                      Omsk Region - 18,31%
                      Sakhalin Oblast - 18,64%
                      Khabarovsk Territory - 18,84%
                      Kaluga Region - 19,63%
                      Astrakhan region - 19,99%
                      Tver region - 20,07%
                      Novgorod region - 20,12%
                      Vladimir region - 21,60%
                      Murmansk region - 22,24%
                      Kursk region - 22,87%
                      Voronezh region - 24,19%
                      Oryol Oblast - 25,04%
                      Rostov Region - 26,16%
                      Saratov region - 26,52%
                      Arkhangelsk region - 26,89%
                      Kostroma region - 28,08%
                      Republic of Mordovia - 28,39%
                      Kirov region - 29,80%
                      Primorsky Krai - 30,13%
                      Stavropol Territory - 31,00%
                      Chuvash Republic - 31,84%
                      Pskov region - 33,62%
                      Ulyanovsk Region - 33,80%
                      Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) - 35,20%
                      Amur Region - 35,91%
                      Ivanovo Region - 37,16%
                      Bryansk region - 39,53%
                      Tambov region - 39,70%
                      Chukotka Autonomous Okrug - 40,82%
                      Mari El Republic - 41,17%
                      Penza Region - 42,67%
                      Kurgan region - 42,99%
                      Magadan region - 44,01%
                      Chita Region - 44,96%
                      Republic of Buryatia - 46,47%
                      Altai Territory - 48,43%
                      Republic of Kalmykia - 50,14%
                      Kamchatka region - 51,42%
                      Jewish Autonomous Oblast - 51,87%
                      Republic of North Ossetia-Alania - 60,16%
                      Republic of Adygea - 60,68%
                      Karachay-Cherkess Republic - 67,16%
                      Kabardino-Balkarian Republic - 67,38%
                      Koryak Autonomous Okrug - 68,03%
                      Altai Republic - 74,43%
                      Ust-Orda Buryat Autonomous Okrug - 76,48%
                      Republic of Tuva - 77,95%
                      Republic of Dagestan - 78,82%
                      Chechen Republic -84,21%
                      Republic of Ingushetia - 89,24%
                      Data for 2009! Well, where is the Far East ?!)))
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                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 14 February 2014 21: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Cetegg
                        Data for 2009! Well, where is the Far East ?!)))

                        What data?
                      3. Cetegg
                        Cetegg 15 February 2014 11: 26
                        0
                        Percentage of federal subsidies in the regional budget! PS The line did not print, I apologize!)
            2. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 14: 34
              +2
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              Does the state receive from Chechnya in the form of the same oil?

              YES FILL YOUR OIL
          2. calocha
            calocha 14 February 2014 09: 32
            +3
            There wasn’t such things during the USSR .... We lived and got along .. So you can live together ... You need to care for them (the Caucasus) with work ... The will of the first persons of the State is needed ...
            1. Cetegg
              Cetegg 14 February 2014 09: 52
              +7
              Well, yes, there wasn’t!)) But in Grozny in 58 and 73 what happened ?!))) rebelled out of the blue?)
              1. calocha
                calocha 14 February 2014 10: 22
                -3
                Panic and hysteria, set aside!
                1. Cetegg
                  Cetegg 14 February 2014 10: 40
                  +7
                  Quote: calocha
                  Panic and hysteria, set aside!


                  Panic and hysteria would be if Yermolov or Joseph Isarionitch were appointed to Kadyrov’s place, miraculously somehow am
                2. washi
                  washi 14 February 2014 13: 33
                  0
                  Quote: calocha
                  Panic and hysteria, set aside!

                  And who has panic?
                  According to the article, some displace others.
                  And it is not clear who is better.
                  But the Russians have already identified themselves, and are separated from both the Cossacks and the Caucasians.
                  This is not only on the Maidan is self-determination. It is all over the world.
                  Or are you Russian of any nationality, or English
                  1. calocha
                    calocha 15 February 2014 09: 19
                    0
                    There is an information war ... Silently much needs to be done ... But the media should know what to say and where and to whom ... Artificially rising noise ...
              2. washi
                washi 14 February 2014 13: 29
                +4
                Quote: Cetegg
                Well, yes, there wasn’t!)) But in Grozny in 58 and 73 what happened ?!))) rebelled out of the blue?)

                Grozny in 1958 did not belong to the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Republic
                Khrushchev is a bad person
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 14 February 2014 11: 47
              +2
              Quote: calocha
              There wasn’t such things during the USSR .... We lived and got along .. So you can live together ... You need to care for them (the Caucasus) with work ... The will of the first persons of the State is needed ...

              On the outskirts of Russia, Anglo-Saxons are turbid. Will need to answer the Americans and the British in their territory, then the unrest in our outskirts will stop.
            3. washi
              washi 14 February 2014 13: 26
              0
              Quote: calocha
              There wasn’t such things during the USSR .... We lived and got along .. So you can live together ... You need to care for them (the Caucasus) with work ... The will of the first persons of the State is needed ...

              We need not only the work of GDP, but also the Russian Orthodox Church.
              Chechnya and Dagestan had adopted Orthodoxy before Rus. It is necessary to tell it.
              It is necessary to talk about a joint struggle against the Khazars (Judeans) and community with the Zoroasterians.
            4. ele1285
              ele1285 14 February 2014 15: 08
              +2
              Quote: calocha
              .Need to preoccupy them (the Caucasus) with work ... The will of the first persons of the State is needed ...

              First of all, they need to be concerned about the observance of laws. Cancel 282 and call things by their proper names, and not "diaspora", but "mutual responsibility".
              I don’t even want to talk about power, I want to remind all fans of GDP

              "Otherwise it will be like that time when at a similar meeting with Putin the head of some diaspora asked directly -" Who represents the Russians here? "And Putin looked like Carlson, who stole the buns."
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 14 February 2014 09: 19
          +14
          There is a problem - YES
          She is terrible - NO

          IN CHECHNYA, the genocide of the Russian people began in much the same way that we now have.
          Chechnya 2014 - 99.9 percent of the Chechens, where are the Russians ????

          I predict for 2014 Stavropol-Russians 80 percent, while maintaining their extrusion at the same pace Stavropol 2024 YEAR will remain 20 percent (I hope for my mistake for the better) Russian.
          The result is logical that we will not exist there, and only graves in abandoned cemeteries will remind us of our existence.
          1. washi
            washi 14 February 2014 12: 43
            -7
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            I predict for 2014 the Stavropol-Russians are 80 percent-while maintaining their extrusion at the same pace, Stavropol 2024 will remain 20 percent (I hope for my mistake for the better) of Russians. Therefore, we will not be natural there, and only the graves of abandoned ones will remind us of our existence cemeteries.

            Predict further.
            And somewhere freedom-loving Cossacks.
            But it turns out they, instead of protecting their land, moved to Moscow and St. Petersburg.
            Where did the Cossack troops in those places where they were not only not there, but also hated as oppressors of the Russian people? During the Time of Troubles, Cossack troops took Moscow, during the popular uprisings in St. Petersburg and Moscow in 1905 they were dispersed by Cossacks. And why weren't they on the Russian-Japanese front? Why always drove the Russian people?
            Why, during the civil war, they created OWN republics and killed that white, that red. And then the Don people sold to the Germans (Krasnov).
            The article is nonsense and another howl about the help of "free" Cossacks (bandits). Banditry and robbery are traditional Cossack (x) values. As they become ill, they begin to cry for help. Remember the same Khmelnitsky.
        3. calocha
          calocha 14 February 2014 09: 28
          -2
          I’m putting a plus for you, but the output is a minuscule, however ... With the National Question you need to be careful, go too far - get a war! In such turbulent times, they can also attack from abroad, for example, NATO ....
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 14 February 2014 11: 48
            0
            Quote: calocha
            I put a plus for you, but at the output a minus joke however ...

            You repeat While you thought someone put two minuses, in total you have what you have.
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 14 February 2014 10: 10
          +4
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          Will creating autonomy help this problem? - NO, if you do not agree, then answer how?
          Partly help. Republican funding more.
          The solution to the problem is to equalize rights - to proclaim the region as the Stavropol Russian Republic
          In the fact that subjects need to be equalized in rights, I absolutely agree. But in reality, everything needs to be done exactly the opposite - to deprive all republics of republican status, making them oblasts and districts. All this will only strengthen the integrity of the country, will knock the soil from under the feet of supporters of the branch. If Ukraine had not been made a republic at one time, what was going on there would not have happened, just as there would have been no collapse of the Union into fifteen independent states. Federated countries are vulnerable in this regard, and in tsarist Russia they understood this. hi
          1. Cetegg
            Cetegg 14 February 2014 10: 55
            +9
            in tsarist Russia there was no question "who is the boss"!)
          2. washi
            washi 14 February 2014 13: 47
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But in reality, everything needs to be done exactly the opposite - to deprive all republics of republican status, making them oblasts and districts. All this will only strengthen the integrity of the country, will knock the soil from under the feet of supporters of the branch.

            I agree with both arms and legs.
            The Russians can’t have ethnic divisions.
            Or are you some kind of Russian tradition (supporting the relationship and psychology of the Russian people (religion is the same as Orthodoxy, that of traditional Islam, with a few exceptions) or you are not Russian.
            How do Tatars, Kazakhs, Belarusians, Yakuts, etc., whom I consider Russian, differ from the Balts and Westerners - self-esteem. We are not Slaves God's. We are relatives of god, or gods. We can not sell. We can help. We can do everything.
        5. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 14: 32
          -3
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          The problem can be solved only when the socio-economic situation in the North Caucasus is normalized, jobs will appear and so on. And this is already happening, but the speed is low and it is annoying

          THE PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED ONLY WHEN THE CAUCASUS IS SEPARATED ON .... REN, and for this it is necessary to separate from Russia a comprador colonial administration headed by PUTIN
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 14 February 2014 15: 35
            +5
            Quote: Veteran Vlad.
            THE PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED ONLY THEN WHEN THE CAUCASUS IS SEPARATED TO .... REN

            You will not get enough of Kemsky volosts. It is easy to scatter the earth, but you will have to return it with blood. fool
            It is necessary to return the Russian idea, and here I agree with you, the current government doesn’t need it .... it’s not necessary, the goals are different.
            1. Veteran Vlad.
              Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 16: 56
              -3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              You will not get enough of Kemsky volosts. It is easy to scatter the earth, but you will have to return it with blood.

              Why should the Caucasus be returned?
      2. evgenii67
        evgenii67 14 February 2014 10: 55
        +3
        Once Mikhail Zadornov said (as if I don’t remember, but I will convey the thought in full) - I ask my friends, they say you need Chechnya, he says NO, but you don’t need one either ... nobody needs Chechnya(And think about it in every joke, there is a fraction of a joke) It turned out interestingly that Belarus and Ukraine were released (along with the Russian Crimea), and Chechnya, which has not been a quiet place since historical times, has been saved ..... Eeeeh !!!! But now the fact that so many human lives and money have been given that giving to Chechnya will be disrespectful to the memory of the victims.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 14 February 2014 11: 52
          0
          Quote: evgenii67
          I ask my friends, they say you need Chechnya, he says NO, but you don’t need one either ... nobody needs Chechnya

          This fool is your zadorn, a famous Russophobe and provocateur. The separation of Chechnya will not resolve the issue, the Anglo-Saxons will begin to sponsor Russophobia in Kalmykia, then in Bashkiria, then in Tatarstan. Such as zadorn dream of dismembering Russia into small pieces. These all Russophobes do not understand one thing, only the Kremlin’s anti-Russian policy restrains the Russians from a forceful decision.
          1. evgenii67
            evgenii67 14 February 2014 12: 13
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            This fool is your zadorn, a famous Russophobe and provocateur.

            So you need it, well, so go there (I don’t know, for example: for groceries, choose your wife, buy a car or better, and register) Something from the Bashkirs, the Tatar can’t see such Russophobic sentiments
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 14 February 2014 12: 44
              +1
              Quote: evgenii67
              So you need it, well, so go there (I don’t know, for example: for groceries, choose your wife, buy a car or better, and register) Something from the Bashkirs, the Tatar can’t see such Russophobic sentiments

              You are committing a crime now, according to the new law, they are imprisoned for this. And they’re doing it right
              1. evgenii67
                evgenii67 14 February 2014 12: 58
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                You are committing a crime now, according to the new law, they are imprisoned for this. And they’re doing it right

                I only advised you
                Quote: Setrac
                So you need, well, go there

                and where in my words "illegal" I did agitate someone for dismemberment, by the way about the law, but it only for (against) the Russians apparently works
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 14 February 2014 13: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: evgenii67
                  I only advised you

                  Previous your posts. Campaigning for disconnecting from Russia is now punishable by imprisonment.
                  1. evgenii67
                    evgenii67 14 February 2014 13: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Previous your posts. Campaigning for disconnecting from Russia is now punishable by imprisonment.

                    what where
                    Quote: evgenii67
                    Once Mikhail Zadornov said (
                    or
                    Quote: evgenii67
                    But now the fact that so many human lives and money have been given that giving to Chechnya will be disrespectful to the memory of the victims.
                    More attentively"giving back to Chechnya would be disrespectful to the memory of the victims" and where is the agitation for separation here ???
                    1. Veteran Vlad.
                      Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 14: 53
                      0
                      Quote: evgenii67
                      More attentively, "what to give to Chechnya will be disrespectful to the memory of the victims"

                      evgenii67 - Do not argue with him - this is typical CUSTOMER COLONIZER or CAUCASIAN, but for a Caucasian, he somehow behaves peacefully, so this is a TRANSFER (Armenian, Georgian)
              2. Veteran Vlad.
                Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 14: 42
                -1
                Quote: Setrac
                You are committing a crime now, according to the new law, they are imprisoned for this. And they’re doing it right

                You need to be separated once and for all and create engineering defenses along the border
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 14 February 2014 15: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                  You need to be separated once and for all and create engineering defenses along the border

                  I live in the Krasnodar Territory, and you want to separate it. Separate immediately along the garden ring, leave the rest of Russia alone.
                  1. Veteran Vlad.
                    Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 17: 02
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Separate immediately along the garden ring, leave the rest of Russia alone.

                    Hey, ARMENIANs just do not need to do not need to hide behind the backs of other nations do not need IT .... BENELITE ALREADY as a hackneyed record. There are no complaints against Kalmyk Tatars Evenk Buryats Ain Nenets against Kamchadal and other indigenous peoples, but there are people from Transcaucasia and the Caucasus. How do you like to hide behind other peoples
                    FALSE BINARY CRAZY PHARISEAS
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 14 February 2014 17: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                      HELL ARMENIAN

                      I have a father, an Armenian, a Russian mother, and a Russian wife, but you have a lot of experience in dealing with Armenians, I would say warm love. And being liable for the RUSSIAN army, I will not be able to sit behind YOUR back. Are there any complaints specifically to the Armenians? Armenian Islamism tortured? Maybe the Armenian migrant workers took the job?
                      And well, you so shyly indicated your place of residence - Russia, where do you live that you are so screaming so loudly about the Caucasian problem?
                      Where do you work, what have you done for the prosperity of Russia? Do you have the right to reproach me for something?
                    2. Veteran Vlad.
                      Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 18: 08
                      -1
                      Quote: Setrac
                      I can’t sit behind YOUR back

                      I am already in stock and I not only just served. ARMYANIN - this is, first of all, they will call me back from the reserve and my former colleagues, but YOU definitely won’t go to war - no big words
                      Quote: I have a father, an Armenian, a Russian mother, and a Russian wife, but you have a lot of experience in dealing with Armenians, I would say warm love. And being liable for the RUSSIAN army, I will not be able to sit behind YOUR back. Are there any complaints specifically to the Armenians? Armenian Islamism tortured? Maybe the Armenian migrant workers took the job? WOW WHAT ARE LOUTER WORDS, HOW I HAVE YOU, HOW DO YOU SCREAM ALL IMMEDIATELY WHEN YOU WILL MAKE A NOTE - "Are there any claims to the Armenians?" Do Azerbaijanis like this the same words are said
                      SIMPLY YOU ALL - THERE is national egoism, racist vanity and xenophobia THAT'S IT IS THEREFORE YOU react to comments so
                    3. Setrac
                      Setrac 14 February 2014 18: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                      WOW WHAT ARE LOUDEST WORDS AS HARVESTED BY YOU

                      You made me laugh. "At least a tuft of wool from a thin sheep."

                      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                      THERE is national egoism, racist vanity and xenophobia

                      I guess I realize this egoism by working on the railway as a fitter of the way. Can you get a job with us, show how to work?

                      Besides silly emotions, are there any objections?
                    4. Veteran Vlad.
                      Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 19: 13
                      -2
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Besides silly emotions, are there any objections?
                      Stupid emotions WERE YOU Read carefully your previous comment addressed to me. And I HAD STATEMENT OF FACTS
                      Quote: Setrac
                      I guess I realize this egoism by working on the railway as a fitter of the way.
                      I do not believe you can only work in the administration of the railway station in ANAPE or rather in the city of ANAPYAN or Sochyan
                      Personally, I work as a telemechanic at the Cement Plant
                      And you will serve a maximum of 102 military base
                    5. Setrac
                      Setrac 14 February 2014 21: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                      Personally, I work as a telemechanic at the Cement Plant

                      The man who is campaigning for the dismemberment of Russia, I am sure that you are from Brooklyn Guss.
                      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                      ANAPYAN or Sochyan

                      Hey, State Department agent, stop pouring these agitation stamps.
                    6. Veteran Vlad.
                      Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 14: 20
                      -2
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Hey, State Department agent, stop pouring these agitation stamps.

                      WHICH STAMPS? about ANAPYAN AND SOCHIAN that I didn’t tell the truth?
                      Quote: Setrac
                      The man who is campaigning for the dismemberment of Russia, I am sure that you are from Brooklyn Guss.

                      Isn't that a stamp? EASTERN DOUBLE SINARY PHARISEUS with national egoism, racist vanity. And YES I FORGOT TO FORGET THAT ONLY YOU CAN (migrants from all CIS countries) MANIFESTATION OF HOUSEHOLD NATIONALISM TO MAKE COMMENTS, etc. and others cannot even be at home - this is Russian fascism as I forgot it
                      Yes, you all got us already-I know that you will again complain that I offend the Armenians, so I explain
                      "you all" is about all migrants from independent CIS countries. Except Belarusians and Ukrainians
                    7. Setrac
                      Setrac 15 February 2014 14: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                      EASTERN BINARY CRAZY FARISEY

                      What sect did you run away from?
                      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                      -I know that you will again complain that I offend Armenians

                      Need to find out how the Armenians offended you? You spit saliva here.
                      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                      In addition to Belarusians and Ukrainians

                      You have not answered what to do with my RUSSIAN relatives from Ukraine? Will you hate me 50%? Or is the "Russian half" also worthy of your hatred? And why am I, a half-breed, defending the integrity of Russia, while you "pure gusky" are campaigning for its disintegration? Is my fifty percent Russian blood stronger than your hundred?
                      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
                      others cannot even be at home - this is Russian fascism as I forgot it

                      I openly, on this site called Armenia - a fascist state
                      Quote: Setrac
                      And I have never come closer to Armenia closer than 500 km and I don’t have the nerve for this fascist state.

                      Or do you only see what is beneficial to you?
                    8. Veteran Vlad.
                      Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 21: 12
                      -1
                      Quote: Setrac
                      You have not answered what to do with my RUSSIAN relatives from Ukraine? Will you hate me 50%? Or is the "Russian half" also worthy of your hatred? And why am I, a half-breed, defending the integrity of Russia, while you "pure gusky" are campaigning for its disintegration? Is my fifty percent Russian blood stronger than your hundred?

                      how to deal with Russian relatives from Ukraine and not how
                      You are defending the integrity of Russia - this is the Caucasus as part of Russia - it is not defending the integrity, it is defending yourself After the separation, we will ask the diasporas to their homeland and you know that.
                      Do not worry, I wrote the same to Azerbaijanis as I did to you when I argued with them. ERAZ (YERAZ) can confirm
                      Why is the Caucasus, because it is their representatives that are the loudest who shout about multinationality, and about oppression when you call them to order and the right to self-determination.
                      Yes, and tired of their lawlessness, as the Russians will "offend" them so Russian article 282, As Caucasians so domestic quarrel. WHAT DO WE NEED THIS?
                      Here is an example: about the middle of the XNUMXs they showed about "Ingushzoloto" on TV, this is how the cops called the Ingush mafia in Magadan, which specializes in stealing gold, and so the cops tried to put things in order, this is how the deputies and representatives of Ingushetia shouted unanimously about the oppression
        2. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 18: 23
          -1
          Quote: Setrac
          Do you have the right to reproach me for something?

          I have: no need to immediately hide behind the backs of other indigenous peoples of Russia "immediately separate along the garden ring" no need to hide behind others
          "I live in the Krasnodar Territory, and you want to separate it" - Better keep an eye on your fellow countrymen and read what they write on their forums, I have complaints not only against Armenians but also against other migrants
          By the way for Nagorno-Karabakh to fight WILL BE WITHOUT US
        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 February 2014 20: 05
          -1
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          By the way, for Nagorno-Karabakh WILL BE WAR WITHOUT US

          In the ears of Putin would be your words)
        4. Setrac
          Setrac 14 February 2014 21: 16
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          In the ears of Putin would be your words)

          This Vlad is a veteran who knows what rejoices in our wars.
        5. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 14: 14
          -1
          Quote: Setrac
          This Vlad is a veteran who knows what rejoices in our wars.

          I'm not happy - this is YOUR national egoism, racist vanity and xenophobia. Where do you see me rejoice? I JUST SAY THAT YOU WILL FIGHT WITHOUT US. It's just YOUR SIZED PRIDE AND NATIONAL EGOISM
          QUOTE: "You made me laugh. At least a tuft of wool from a thin sheep." - I recognize an ORIENTAL PERSON HIS PRIDE AND HONOR
        6. Setrac
          Setrac 15 February 2014 15: 06
          +1
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          Where do you see me rejoice?

          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          By the way, for Nagorno-Karabakh WILL BE WAR WITHOUT US

          And what does it mean without you? Did you participate in this conflict?

          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          It's just YOUR SIZED PRIDE AND NATIONAL EGOISM

          An alien, stranger cannot hurt me, or somehow offend me, do not flatter myself.
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          I recognize the EASTERN PERSON AND HIS PRIDE

          Do you mean Western man? How western is it? Brussels or New York?
        7. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 20: 13
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          And what does it mean without you? Did you participate in this conflict?

          Without us means without us.
          After all, Armenia hopes that in the event of a war with Azerbaijan, Russia will join and help with its army, and so it will not. My acquaintances The officers who serve do not want to fight for Armenia and in personal conversations assure that they will not fulfill this order.
          QUOTE: "We need to find out what the Armenians have offended you? You spit up your saliva here." Why only Armenians. I just argue with you and focus on the Armenians because you are Armenian. I would argue with an Azeri I would focus on Azerbaijanis with Georgians on Georgia. I just do not like that Armenians Azerbaijanis and others go to my country and behave in a boorish manner and according to their own laws - using corruption. After all, you all have your own homeland. After all, they themselves separated under the cries of enough to feed the Russians, a prison of nations, enough to be a colony, etc.
          I saw on youtube in Ukraine in Odessa that the faculty stopped the Armenian major, he started to bullish him. The Ukrainians beat him, he called for help to the diaspora. Those Ukrainian cops hacked what they do on a foreign land?
          and Azerbaijanis - the gang of Zarifa in the Tomsk region attacked the village of Belousovo on December 14, 2013. If there was a national authority in Russia, the entire diaspora would be sent to their homeland and the attackers would be sent to
          In the same way, in Ukraine, if there was a nationally oriented power, then the Armenian diaspora would be sent to their homeland.
          IT IS JUST AMAZING HOW THESE PEOPLE ARE HOSTED IN ANOTHER'S HOUSE WHEN THE HOUSE IS NOT HOSTED
          Of course, our power is to blame for this - the power of IUD
        8. Setrac
          Setrac 15 February 2014 20: 48
          0
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          All of you have your own homeland.

          So how to serve military service - so is my homeland Russia, how to plow on the railway - so my homeland is Russia, but how is it time to get paid so what? Go to your homeland? What rights do you have before me to consider Russia YOURSELF, not MY? But no.
          What YOU have done for Russia.
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          go to my country

          What have you done for the country you call yours loudly?
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          I just don’t like that Armenians Azerbaijanis and others go to my country and behave rudely

          So far, the user "Veteran Vlad" is behaving rudely.
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          I’m just arguing with you and focusing on the Armenians because you are an Armenian.

          Well, of course, is all the evil in Russia from the Armenians? You have chosen one of the most harmless nations from Russia for your attacks.
        9. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 21: 44
          -1
          Quote: Setrac
          So how to serve military service - so is my homeland Russia, how to plow on the railway - so my homeland is Russia, but how is it time to get paid so what? Go to your homeland? What rights do you have before me to consider Russia YOURSELF, not MY? But no.
          What YOU have done for Russia.

          First: Why do you consider her yours? You came from Armenia and you are an Armenian
          Secondly: you did not serve, and if you serve, I think at 102 base
          Thirdly: I am ethnic Russian, and was born in my own land, because I do not read Armenia or Azerbaijan or Georgia as my homeland and do not go to live there
          What I did - a lot of things
          And why do you think that I chose the Armenians for my attacks, SIMPLY I WITH YOU AT THIS TIME I DISPUT I wrote to you many times that I argue with everyone and with Azerbaijanis too
          Quote: Setrac
          So far, the user "Veteran Vlad" is behaving rudely.

          It's like - I insult you, threaten to threaten to swear at you? Why when I make a complaint so immediately: why did you choose the Armenians, why are you a boor, etc. Azerbaijanis are the same and they wrote to me WHY FOR THE ATTACKS I CHOOSE THEM
          Well why why all having their countries go to us here without asking us whether we would like to go to us or not, They live according to their own rules building a state in a state, using corrupt officials
        10. Setrac
          Setrac 15 February 2014 22: 20
          +2
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          And why do you consider her yours? You came from Armenia and you are an Armenian

          I WAS BORN in the village of Otradnaya, Tikhoretsky District, Krasnodar Territory. I have lived ALL my life in Russia. What kind of an Armenian am I in? I speak Russian, I write Russian, I think Russian. Is Russian blood so liquid that 50% of Russian blood will not outperform 30% of Armenian, or 20% of Turkic?
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          They live by their own rules building a state in a state

          Open your eyes, representatives of Transcaucasia (Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis) are easily assimilated by Russians, these are our native (Russian) Caucasians who do not want to assimilate and are trying to impose their own rules.
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          I chose them

          Will you promote the purity of Russian blood here? Who has someone else's blood is not Russian anymore? Under his knife? Hitler applauds you in the next world.
        11. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 22: 43
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          Under his knife?

          Where did I say under the knife why do you LIKE ME all the time?
        12. Setrac
          Setrac 15 February 2014 23: 08
          0
          Quote: Veteran Vlad.
          Where did I say under the knife why do you LIKE ME all the time?

          This is what will result from your calls.
        13. Veteran Vlad.
          Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 23: 25
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          This is what will result from your calls.

          Ok i won't argue with you
          All the best
          But I know against the resettlement of residents of the CIS countries to Russia and the formation of diasporas
          I am against the fact that we would intervene in the internal affairs of the CIS countries, I am for cooperating with them, as with ordinary foreign states, without the formation of diasporas, relocations and benefits and preferences for their elites, otherwise they have business here
          And especially I do not wish that we would fight for other republics and peoples
  2. Setrac
    Setrac 16 February 2014 00: 46
    0
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    you did not serve, and if you serve, I think

    You don’t think you are trying to hurt me, since the administration does not allow insulting me. So do when there is nothing to say.
  3. Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 16 February 2014 10: 48
    -1
    Quote: Setrac
    You don’t think you are trying to hurt me, since the administration does not allow insulting me. So do when there is nothing to say.

    You think so because of your ARMENIAN arrogance and pride, and it is you who act as you write "you are trying to offend me, since the administration does not allow me to offend. This is done when there is nothing to say." Don't judge by yourself SERTAK is not necessary. See your previous comments addressed to me
  4. Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 16 February 2014 11: 14
    0
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    You think so because of your ARMENIAN DIPPOSITION AND PRIDE, and it is you who act as you write

  5. Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 14: 33
    -2
    Quote: Yeraz
    In the ears of Putin would be your words)

    Yes to him on us Russians do not care for the sake of domination in the vastness of the CIS countries, we donate to you; why do you think there is NO STRUGGLE AGAINST ETHNIC CRIMINALITY IN RUSSIA, WHY MIGRANTS EASILY GET THE RUSSIAN CITIZENSHIP, WHY THE STATE (ETHNIC DIVISIONES OF THE SESSION OF JOSEPHIAS DIODESPIORIES) IS CREATED? He doesn’t care, he is the king of the whole CIS
  6. Setrac
    Setrac 15 February 2014 15: 08
    0
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    Yes, he doesn’t give a damn about us Russians for the sake of dominating the vastness of the CIS countries.

    What did you do to dominate the Russians? How many children do you have?
  7. Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 20: 28
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    What did you do to dominate the Russians? How many children do you have?

    And where are the children?
    "And what have you done to dominate the Russians" so far, nothing. But to do this, we need to send our comprador authorities to the URANIUM MINES
    If you fight ethnic crime, then DIASPOR LEADERS CAPTURE ABOUT RUSSIAN Fascism, which oppress them, that the end of Russia, because it is multinational and other
  8. Setrac
    Setrac 15 February 2014 20: 55
    +2
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    If you fight ethnic crime

    So ethnic crime is bad? However, ethnic crime also includes Russian crime! And then it turns out that Russian crime is good.
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    "What have you done to dominate the Russians?"

    So be silent in a rag, since nothing. Why didn't you go to the police school to put things in order in "your" house?
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    send our comprador power to URANIUM MINES

    Do criminals work in uranium mines? Ordinary workers work there, so go work hard at the uranium mines to the glory of Russia.
  9. Yeraz
    Yeraz 15 February 2014 19: 31
    0
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    Yes, he doesn’t give a damn about us Russians for the sake of dominating the expanses of the CIS countries, you think why in RUSSIA there is NO FIGHT AGAINST ETHNIC CRIME, WHY MIGRANTS EASILY RECEIVE THE RUSSIAN CITIZENSHIP OF ESTONIAN DOMESTIC He doesn’t care, he is the king of the whole CIS

    Yes, I know very well. And the heads of these diasporas do not give a damn about those whom they supposedly represent, rich uncles who are closely connected with the FSB and will not take a step to the left, because they will lose business in an instant. Many problems can be quickly solved or the degree can be greatly reduced. There would be a will ...
  10. Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 20: 46
    -1
    Quote: Yeraz
    There would be a will ..

    WILL NOT BE WILL Aliyev bought Putin an OIL CONTRACT not long ago
    Here are the Azerbaijanis - in the Tomsk region attacked the village of Belousovo on December 14, 2013 the cops themselves say that the gang of Zarif attacked, and that they bought something, they bought the cops and warned them that they were leaving.
    Presidents of other republics buy Putin to others
  11. Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 22: 51
    0
    Quote: Yeraz
    There would be a will ..

    Yes, there won’t be WILL - who then WILL FEED OUR OFFICERS OF GOVERNORS OF MEASURS OF FEATURES OF CENTRAL SECURITY CHECKERS, they do not need to do anything with their own hands to express ORDER, but these are BEES AGAINST HONEY remember CHERKISON - As Bastrykin admitted, the business of the Cherkizovsky market can be extremely problematic. "Not everything is as simple as it might seem: when you go deep into the problems, there are such" roofs ", such figures pop up that mother does not grieve!" and this is stated by the head of the investigative committee - WITHOUT COMMENTS
    Yes, and drove into the market Because Ismailov did not please. The Georgian Casinos were closed and the cultural palace was seized only when Saakashvili went to confront with Russia, one might think before that they did not know about illegal casinos and houses of culture without rent
  • Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 17: 06
    -3
    Quote: Setrac
    I live in the Krasnodar Territory, and you want to separate it.
    Crafty Armenian Pharisee where I write about the separation of the Krasnodar Territory?
    Separate them at the current administrative border
    Moreover, they themselves desire this, you will visit and read their forums, by the way, Armenians from the SAR dream to grab the Krasnodar Territory and the Rostov Region right up to Voronezh, they write this on their websites about Great Armenia in 2030
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 14 February 2014 17: 19
      +2
      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
      where am I writing about the branch of the Krasnodar Territory?

      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
      You need to be separated once and for all and create engineering defenses along the border

      Here is where.
      Quote: Veteran Vlad.
      By the way, the Armenians from the SAR themselves dream to grab the Krasnodar Territory and the Rostov Region right up to Voronezh

      Dreaming is not harmful, the Armenians from Russia do not dream about it. And I have never come closer to Armenia closer than 500 km and there is no skill in food for this fascist state.
    2. Clegg
      Clegg 14 February 2014 17: 23
      +2
      Quote: Setrac
      And I have never come closer to Armenia closer than 500 km and there is no skill in food for this fascist state.

      This is interesting, can you elaborate on a fascist country?
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 14 February 2014 17: 29
      +1
      Quote: Clegg
      This is interesting, can you elaborate on a fascist country?

      Such countries, they are, these are countries in which there are no representatives of other nationalities, they survived or destroyed. For example, Poland, Armenia.
  • Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 18: 52
    -2
    Quote: Setrac
    Armenians from Russia do not dream about it. And I have never come closer to Armenia closer than 500 km and there is no skill in food for this fascist state.

    It’s not necessary to dissemble. It is the Armenians who live in Russia who say that they call the Russian nation slaves and drunks and that they are worthy to serve the Armenians; and diasporas in the Russian Federation. I still write this softly there, in a sharper tone, they write about it there - I personally read it on the Armenian forum in the Tasks and Purpose of the ATS in Russia section
    So I don’t need to express my complaints
  • Setrac
    Setrac 14 February 2014 21: 28
    0
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    I personally read this at the Armenian Forum in the Tasks and Purpose of the SAR in Russia section

    Hey, macaw, which of us is like an Armenian? I have not even heard of these resources! Have you decided to propagandize them in Russia? Maybe this is Vlad Veterenyan?
    But what about my relatives in Ukraine, who are not in the least bit Armenians, but the most thoroughbred Russians? They too "fence off with concrete"?
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    So I don’t need to express my complaints

    It is you who make any claims, it’s some Armenian guest workers who are terrorists who prevent you from living.
  • Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 14: 51
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Hey, macaw, which of us is like an Armenian?

    Are you trying to offend me by calling me ARA? very stupid and funny. THIS STILL PROVES THAT YOU ARE TWO-SIDED AND CRAFTS in other matters like all the EASTERN PEOPLE.
    You reprimanded me when I called you "ARMENIAN" and not ARMENIAN, and you wrote that you are half Armenian, and now you called me ARA. Funny
    And I accidentally got to the Armenian site, so don’t worry, I don’t promote them, I just climbed the sites about Byzantine empire and pro Byzantine emperors and I went to the Armenian site noticing a note: Tasks and Purpose of the Union of Armenians of Russia in the Russian Federation
  • Setrac
    Setrac 15 February 2014 15: 16
    0
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    You try to offend me by calling me

    Are you making excuses?
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    And I accidentally got to the Armenian site

    Yes, someone will believe you.
    You did not say ANYTHING about yourself, so, an empty chatter of an empty person, a veteran does not know what.

    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    Tasks and Purpose of the Union of Armenians of Russia in the Russian Federation

    Again propaganda, stop, except for you here nobody knows about this dubious organization.

    Tell me something about yourself so that I know that I'm actually talking with RUSSIAN, and not with the Brussels provocateur.
  • MVS
    MVS 14 February 2014 19: 19
    +1
    Quote: Veteran Vlad.
    You need to be separated once and for all and create engineering defenses along the border

    Well, yes, and leave the local Russian. Logic is concrete.
    1. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 14 February 2014 20: 04
      -1
      Quote: MVS
      Well, yes, and leave the local Russian. Logic is concrete.

      MVS - I didn’t write that Russians should be abandoned, separate by saba means the return of all Russians to their homeland. Do not confuse me with the Russian government
      1. MVS
        MVS 14 February 2014 20: 47
        +2
        Quote: Veteran Vlad.
        MVS - I didn’t write that Russians should be abandoned, separate by saba means the return of all Russians to their homeland.

        The Caucasus is my small homeland. I do not plan to "return". And I strongly doubt that others will be delighted with the "return".
        Quote: Veteran Vlad.
        Do not confuse me with the Russian government

        It has not left us. For now.
      2. Veteran Vlad.
        Veteran Vlad. 15 February 2014 14: 38
        0
        Quote: MVS
        It has not left us. For now.

        But what about those Russians who stayed in the CIS countries and cannot obtain Russian citizenship?
      3. MVS
        MVS 15 February 2014 17: 23
        0
        Quote: Veteran Vlad.
        Quote: MVS
        It has not left us. For now.

        But what about those Russians who stayed in the CIS countries and cannot obtain Russian citizenship?

        Do not move off topic. Or is there nothing more to argue about the secession of the Caucasus?
  • washi
    washi 14 February 2014 13: 57
    +1
    Quote: evgenii67
    choose your wife,

    Not on the behavior of their wives are good, but appearance .....
    Beautiful Central Asian, Korean, Vietnamese (grow old quickly)
    I like metiski more.
    I can’t buy an apartment there (finance). And given that in all the national republics there are not enough specialists, you can get an apartment and a car for free (and security). And they will give out a wife if you accept Islam.
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 14 February 2014 14: 19
      0
      Quote: Vasya
      They’re not good at their behavior

      and what will relatives say ?!
      Quote: Vasya
      but looks ...

      Well, here's the old adage: the taste and color ...
      Quote: Vasya
      Beautiful Central Asian, Korean, Vietnamese (grow old quickly)
      I like metiski more.

      yes you are straight hero international lover
      Quote: Vasya
      And given that in all the national republics there are not enough specialists, you can get an apartment and a car for free (and security). And they will give out a wife if you accept Islam.

      And in Chechnya, we have a conversation now about Chechnya (good luck)
  • TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 14 February 2014 11: 06
    +1
    you do not seem to know that this "Marr's" theory of stages "" about autochthonousness is erroneous, because "For the recognition of the rights of the people to its territory, it is now considered sufficient several generations of its residence and the system of international agreements in which this right is recognized and fixed."
    you can tell about the autochthonousness of the population by an American, they will like it.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 14 February 2014 12: 39
      0
      Quote: TS3sta3
      you can tell about the autochthonousness of the population by an American, they will like it.

      Well, tell you what? For me, Caucasians are autochthons like the Turkic and Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 14 February 2014 12: 52
        +3
        Quote: Clegg
        Well, tell you what? For me, Caucasians are autochthons like the Turkic and Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia.

        And the Russians came from Alpha Centauri, they do not have "their" territories on earth
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 14 February 2014 12: 56
          -6
          Quote: Setrac
          And the Russians came from Alpha Centauri, they do not have "their" territories on earth

          There are, of course, but not all of Russia. You have annexed territories of other nations.
          1. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 14 February 2014 13: 51
            +2
            what is your evidence? or will you keep silent again?
          2. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 14 February 2014 14: 16
            +1
            Article 282. Incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as the humiliation of human dignity
            1. Actions directed to incite hatred or enmity, as well as to humiliate the dignity of a person or a group of persons on grounds of sex, race, nationality, language, origin, attitude to religion, as well as belonging to a social group, committed publicly or using funds mass information, -
            shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of one year to two years, or by deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years, or compulsory work for a term up to three hundred and sixty hours, or correctional labor for a term of up to one year, or forced labor for a term of up to two years, or imprisonment for the same term.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 14 February 2014 14: 33
              -1
              Quote: TS3sta3
              Article 282. Incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as the humiliation of human dignity

              bauyr is it in my address?
              1. TS3sta3
                TS3sta3 14 February 2014 14: 49
                +2
                it is unfortunate that you do not understand what kindle.
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 14 February 2014 15: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: TS3sta3
                  it is unfortunate that you do not understand what kindle.

                  buddy, let’s quote where I humiliated whom?
                2. TS3sta3
                  TS3sta3 14 February 2014 15: 21
                  +3
                  Clegg
                  You have annexed territories of other nations.

                  So give them independence

                  some voluntarily became part of your country, some fought like Circassians to the end as a result of becoming on the verge of extinction.


                  this provocation and incitement only in this thread.
                  I can also search for Russians living in Kazakhstan. it is not difficult.
                3. Clegg
                  Clegg 14 February 2014 15: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: TS3sta3
                  You have annexed territories of other nations.


                  Quote: TS3sta3
                  some voluntarily became part of your country, some fought like Circassians to the end as a result of becoming on the verge of extinction.


                  Well, these are historical facts) or am I a balabol again?)))

                  Quote: TS3sta3
                  So give them independence

                  This is not incitement, this is just a suggestion)))
                4. TS3sta3
                  TS3sta3 14 February 2014 15: 35
                  0
                  Well, these are historical facts) or am I a balabol again?)))

                  without proof, alas. anyone can write anything and claim a "historical fact". if this were so, then there would be as many history books as there are people on the planet, and maybe more. how do you feel about the alternative history of kazakhstan, in which part of the territory has the right to claim Russia, part - china, uzbekistan, and the rest is divided into zhuzes. and also do not need any. enough claims as grounds for "historical fact"
                  the question is not the topic. humanitarian or technical education?
                5. Clegg
                  Clegg 14 February 2014 15: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: TS3sta3
                  without evidence, alas.

                  Land Accession Dates
                  1552 - Kazan
                  1556 - Astrakhan Khanate
                  1557 - Nogai Horde
                  1582 - Siberian Khanate
                  1739 - Kalmyk Khanate
                  1783-1791 - Crimean Khanate
                  1795 - Section of the Commonwealth (Baltic States, Belarus, Ukraine)
                  1822 - Senior and Middle Zhuzes of Kazakhstan
                  1864-66 - Kokand
                  1868 - Bukhara
                  1873-76 Khiva

                  Quote: TS3sta3
                  humanitarian or technical education?

                  economy
                6. Setrac
                  Setrac 14 February 2014 15: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Land Accession Dates

                  Please note the dates of accession, but where are the dates of settlement? In many of the annexed territories, the Russians already lived, and in some they were the majority.
                7. Clegg
                  Clegg 14 February 2014 16: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Please note the dates of accession, but where are the dates of settlement?

                  I answered about the annexation of territories
                8. Setrac
                  Setrac 14 February 2014 16: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Clegg
                  I answered about the annexation of territories

                  Semantics, pun
            2. TS3sta3
              TS3sta3 14 February 2014 16: 05
              +2
              it was a war for the survival of all against all - Russia won. if she lost, she would not exist, but there would be a "khanate from sea to sea". read at least about the Kazan Khanate. about Astrakhan is generally funny. and the Kazakh Khanate voluntarily joined Russia. generally by.
            3. Clegg
              Clegg 14 February 2014 16: 50
              0
              Quote: TS3sta3
              it was a war for the survival of all against all - Russia won. if she lost, she would not exist, but there would be a "khanate from sea to sea".

              "War for survival" for some reason were on the territory of the Kazan, Astrakhan and Siberian khanates, and not, say, in Moscow?
            4. TS3sta3
              TS3sta3 14 February 2014 16: 54
              +1
              "War for survival" for some reason were on the territory of the Kazan, Astrakhan and Siberian khanates, and not, say, in Moscow?

              was in Moscow, and on other Russian lands and cities. the story says. eg:
              In August 1521, the forces of the Kazan Khan Sahib Giray made a military campaign in the Nizhny Novgorod, Murom, Klin, Meshchersky and Vladimir lands and joined forces with the Crimean Khan Mehmed Giray near Kolomna. Then they besieged Moscow and forced Vasily III to sign a humiliating agreement. During this campaign, according to Russian chronicles, about eight hundred thousand people were taken prisoner.
              so the Russians became the indigenous inhabitants of the Kazan Khanate.
              the annexation of the Kazan Khanate is the logical conclusion of the confrontation.
            5. Setrac
              Setrac 14 February 2014 16: 54
              +1
              Quote: Clegg
              "War for survival" for some reason were on the territory of the Kazan, Astrakhan and Siberian khanates, and not, say, in Moscow?

              Study history, and you will find out how many times Moscow was taken and burned, on the contrary, the areas you indicated were the periphery of this war.
            6. Clegg
              Clegg 14 February 2014 17: 11
              +2
              Setrak are you Armenian?
            7. Setrac
              Setrac 14 February 2014 17: 24
              0
              Quote: Clegg
              Setrak are you Armenian?

              My nationality is a difficult question. However, I am PARTLY Armenian, and Setrak is the Armenian name, that was the name of my grandfather. It just so happened that when registering, nickname Sergey always turned out to be busy.
              Nevertheless, my mother is Russian, at least 50% I am Russian, and my children are 75%, since my wife is also Russian.
              However, for another 50 percent, I have Armenian and Turkic blood, in which proportions I do not know, I think there is more Armenian blood than Turkic.
    2. Cetegg
      Cetegg 14 February 2014 19: 50
      0
      And let's disperse the USA, this is the land: Hurons, Sioux, Apaches, etc.))) And although the British colony does not need to have its own government at all!) Although what British Empire is this land of the Pictish and Celts!)) The difference in approach , our "Western partners", coming to foreign lands for them, EXTENDED the indigenous population! The Russians, on the other hand, did not distinguish between the local and the alien population!
  • TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 14 February 2014 15: 36
    +1
    This is not incitement, this is just a suggestion)))

    this is incitement, read the law, it is indicated there.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 14 February 2014 15: 42
    +1
    Quote: Clegg
    Well, these are historical facts) or am I a balabol again?)))

    I will explain how everything was in the historical paradigm.
    There lived nomadic tribes, which in the TWENTIETH century became Kazakhs. They did not occupy the whole territory of present-day Kazakhstan, but that is not the point. These peoples (not yet Kazakh-Cossacks) lived by nomadic animal husbandry, which provides a very small food base and there were 90-100 thousand of them in the best of times. And in the regions where these are not Kazakhs yet, and this is not Siberia, these are the southern regions of Kazakhstan, Russians appear who are engaged in agriculture. Agriculture provides a greater food base than nomadic animal husbandry, and the difference is TEN times.
    With an increase in the food base AT THE ACCOUNT OF RUSSIAN AGRICULTURES, the growth of Kazakh ethnic groups began. And the fact that now there are 15 million Kazakhs, and not 150 thousand, is a merit of the RUSSIANS.
    I’ll draw your attention to the fact that while we lived in one state, the number of Russians increased ten times (approximately), and the number of Kazakhs - a hundred times. What kind of annexation are we talking about if Kazakhstan’s resources were used in the interests of the Kazakhs?
  • Zymran
    Zymran 14 February 2014 19: 02
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    I’ll draw your attention to the fact that while we lived in one state, the number of Russians increased ten times (approximately), and the number of Kazakhs - a hundred times.


    For what period of time?
  • TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 14 February 2014 13: 49
    +1
    For me, Caucasians are autochthons like the Turkic and Finno-Ugric peoples of Russia.

    I already wrote about autochthonousness, read on the internet if this is not enough. and your opinion is very important, although it is erroneous.
  • Clegg
    Clegg 14 February 2014 14: 27
    -2
    Quote: TS3sta3
    "For the recognition of the rights of the people to its territory, it is now considered sufficient several generations of its residence and the system of international agreements in which this right is recognized and fixed."

    You can give a link to these agreements with pleasure I will familiarize myself.

    Autochtones, natives, natives, etc. are one concept. Aborigine (lat. Ab origine - from the beginning, the original), which meant "the native inhabitant of this country", "since ancient times living in this area."
    Therefore, having lived for several generations, it is incorrect to call these lands primordially their own.

    For example, Canadians, Australians, Americans are not bothered by the fact that others originally lived there. Why does this (Russian) bother you?

    This is how it happened historically, some voluntarily became part of your country, some fought like Circassians to the end as a result of becoming on the verge of extinction.
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 14 February 2014 14: 44
      +2
      You can give a link to these agreements with pleasure I will familiarize myself.

      Indigenous peoples - peoples who lived on their lands before the formation of existing state borders [1], before the arrival of immigrants from other places [2]; peoples associated with a certain territory and residing in it from time immemorial to the present [3]; native population. To relate to indigenous peoples, it is required that the population consider itself to be an indigenous people, and also have social, economic, cultural and other institutions that make this people different from other people living in the same or neighboring territories [1].
      Therefore, having lived for several generations, it is incorrect to call these lands primordially their own.

      very correct. proof above.
      For example, Canadians, Australians, Americans are not bothered by the fact that others originally lived there. Why does this (Russian) bother you?

      where, who lived? and didn’t live? more specifically. and with evidence.
      why does it bother you that Russians consider themselves indigenous where they were born and live?
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 14 February 2014 14: 53
        +1
        Quote: TS3sta3
        To relate to indigenous peoples, it is required that the population itself consider itself an indigenous people,

        Can you link to the agreements? You are welcome.

        Quote: TS3sta3
        why does it bother you that Russians consider themselves indigenous where they were born and live?

        It doesn't bother me when a Russian born in KZ says that this is his land, it bothers me when a Russian living in Russia says that the whole of Northern Kazakhstan is "a primordially Russian land" and calls for division. See the differences?
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 14 February 2014 15: 04
          +1
          Can you link to the agreements? You are welcome.


          http://www.un.org/ru/documents/decl_conv/declarations/indigenous_rights.shtml
          Recognizing that the Charter of the United Nations, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights1 and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights1, as well as the Vienna Declaration and Program of Action2, affirm the fundamental right of self-determination of all peoples, by virtue of which they freely establish their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

          annoying me

          it was a reciprocal "politeness" to show by this example how annoying it is when "calling for the partition" of your country. see the similarity?
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 14 February 2014 15: 18
            0
            Quote: TS3sta3
            http://www.un.org/ru/documents/decl_conv/declarations/indigenous_rights.shtml

            rakhmet, get acquainted with the document and then express my opinion.

            Quote: TS3sta3
            it was a reciprocal "politeness" to show by this example how annoying it is when "calling for the partition" of your country. see the similarity?

            Partly yes, but there is also a difference)))))
            When Russians say no to migrants to Uzbeks and Tajiks, I understand but they don’t like these two peoples, they have their own countries. But when about Caucasians (Chechens, Ingushs, etc.) I don’t understand where to go?
            1. TS3sta3
              TS3sta3 14 February 2014 15: 28
              +2
              But when about Caucasians (Chechens, Ingushs, etc.) I don’t understand where to go?

              firstly, it’s their business, they will sort it out among themselves.
              secondly, it is a response. against the Chukchi, Chuvash, Tatars, Bashkirs, etc., there is no indignation. what is it for?
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 14 February 2014 15: 35
                +1
                Quote: TS3sta3
                against the Chukchi, Chuvash, Tatars, Bashkirs, etc., there is no indignation.

                the Chukchi are on the verge of extinction, the Chuvashs are the same Russians, the Bashkirs make up less than 30% of their homeland, the Tatars are slightly larger but no more.

                Caucasians are passionate, but these are not.
              2. TS3sta3
                TS3sta3 14 February 2014 15: 40
                +1
                the Chukchi are on the verge of extinction, the Chuvashs are the same Russians, the Bashkirs make up less than 30% of their homeland, the Tatars are slightly larger but no more.

                what are you carrying? even look on the Internet before writing this

                The number of Chukchi in Russia:
              3. TS3sta3
                TS3sta3 14 February 2014 15: 47
                +1
                The number of Bashkirs according to censuses (people) on 2010 is about 2,5 million people.
                the dynamics of the number of Bashkirs:
                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%8B

                Chuvash (Chuvash. Chăvashem) - people of Turkic origin, the main population of the Chuvash Republic (Russia). The population is about 1,5 million, of which in Russia 1 million 435 thousand according to the results of the census of 2010 of the year. About half of all Chuvash people living in Russia live in Chuvashia, the rest live in almost all regions of Russia, and a small part outside the Russian Federation, the largest groups in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Ukraine.

                Caucasians are passionate, but these are not.

                about passionarity see for yourself. among Caucasians - not passionarity.
              4. Clegg
                Clegg 14 February 2014 16: 01
                -1
                Quote: TS3sta3
                Bashkirs make up less than 30% at home

                2010 census.
                Bashkiria: Russians 36%, Bashkirs 29%, Tatars 25%.

                Quote: TS3sta3
                what are you carrying?

                Well, 15 thousand, that's a lot. A people whose population is less than 1 million is on the verge of extinction.
                The minimum to save the nation should be 4-5 million.
              5. TS3sta3
                TS3sta3 14 February 2014 16: 12
                +2
                Bashkiria: Russians 36%, Bashkirs 29%, Tatars 25%.

                what's wrong? Too many Russians and Tatars? one country - one people? or what in general?
                Well, 15 thousand, that's a lot. A people whose population is less than 1 million is on the verge of extinction.
                The minimum to save the nation should be 4-5 million.

                look at the dynamics. in 1926 there were 12 thousand of them. nomads in the north. you understand that with such a way of life, reaching numbers in 4-5 million is unrealistic. they do not breed by budding. how many Kazakhs were when they wandered in more favorable conditions before joining Russia?
                please write reasonably.
          2. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 14 February 2014 15: 49
            +1
            in general, again the same thing: unproven inciting ethnic hatred. tie it up, they’ll only ban it here, they’ll put it in life for it.
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 14 February 2014 16: 02
            0
            Quote: Clegg
            Caucasians are passionate, but these are not.

            The theory of passionarity is not proven, in fact it is a fiction of the humanities.
          4. Clegg
            Clegg 14 February 2014 16: 07
            +2
            Quote: Setrac
            The theory of passionarity is not proven, in fact it is a fiction of the humanities.

            Well, let's call it differently, the fact is that Chechens, Ingush are increasing, and the Bashkirs and Tatars are in the red. By the way, Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvashs and Ukrainians of the 5 largest nations in Russia are also in the red. This is a word.
          5. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 14 February 2014 16: 21
            +1
            Well, let's call it differently, the fact is that Chechens, Ingush are increasing

            National composition (2010) [58] [59]
            Russian 80,9%
            Tatars 3,9%
            Ukrainians 1,4%
            Bashkirs 1,2%
            Chuvashs 1,0%
            Chechens 1,0%
            Other 10,6%
            so what are increasing? negative attitude towards them is not due to the number. Tatars more, but there is no negative for them. therefore, the connection between population growth and negative attitudes towards it is also false.
          6. Clegg
            Clegg 14 February 2014 16: 58
            0
            Quote: TS3sta3
            negative attitude towards them is not due to the number.

            The number does not affect, but demographic data show what state a particular nation is in. Growth indicates that the nation is reborn, and minus that the nation is dying out.

            Among Chechens or Ingush you will not find mankurts who do not know their language, but among the Bashkirs and Tatars they are full. Do you understand?
          7. TS3sta3
            TS3sta3 14 February 2014 17: 04
            +1
            Growth indicates that the nation is reborn, and minus that the nation is dying out.

            perhaps, but a negative attitude is again not connected with this.

            mankurts who do not know their language, but among the Bashkirs and Tatars they are full.

            I’m afraid that the Tatars and Bashkirs do not just pile on you for this, but in general ...
          8. Clegg
            Clegg 14 February 2014 17: 10
            +2
            Quote: TS3sta3
            Tatars and Bashkirs for this not only pile on you, but in general ...

            Yes, the Bashkirs and Tatars themselves told me that they have a lot of those who do not know their native language)))))))
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 February 2014 20: 16
        -1
        Quote: TS3sta3
        negative attitude towards them is not due to the number. Tatars more, but there is no negative for them

        so they were assimilated, the Tatars in the Turkic world also had a synonym for the word Russian and the Cossacks, but during the period of independence the situation changed. Yes, and the Tatars slowly come to their senses thanks to Islam, in principle, Islam did not allow them to completely dissolve and left a chance to return.
      3. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 14 February 2014 22: 23
        +2
        Islam did not allow them to completely dissolve and left a chance to return.

        what kind of "return"? where from? where? Did the Tatars go somewhere wrong? do you know better where to go and what to do? write more specifically.
      4. Yeraz
        Yeraz 15 February 2014 00: 17
        +1
        Quote: TS3sta3
        what kind of "return"? where from? where? Did the Tatars go somewhere wrong? do you know better where to go and what to do? write more specifically.

        Return to their roots !!!! They are almost completely assimilated, behavior, thinking are all Russian. The Türks are nominal. But there are all tendencies to return. There are more than one Turkic country in the world and it is not curtained in the yard. But still, they have to go a long time.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 14 February 2014 15: 44
    +1
    Quote: Clegg
    When Russians say no to migrants to Uzbeks and Tajiks

    Nevertheless, they are with us, and they are not even in the Customs Union, it is unfair.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 14 February 2014 11: 43
    +3
    Quote: Clegg
    Along the way, you do not know the meaning of the word diaspora, Caucasians are basically not diasporas, but autochthons.

    Are they autochthons in the Stavropol Territory? In their caves they are autochthon!
    However, I already answered you in another thread. FOR YOUR auto-tones in Russia, all but Russian.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 14 February 2014 12: 40
      -2
      Quote: Setrac
      Are they autochthons in the Stavropol Territory?

      So give them independence
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 14 February 2014 12: 54
        +2
        Quote: Clegg
        So give them independence

        I put an exclamation mark, for such "gifted" as you need to show your finger.
        Give independence to Northern Kazakhstan, keep in slavery millions of Russians.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 14 February 2014 13: 04
          -4
          Quote: Setrac
          Give independence to Northern Kazakhstan, keep in slavery millions of Russians.

          We are a unitary state, you are a federation. I found a wise guy)
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 14 February 2014 13: 47
            +2
            Quote: Clegg
            We are a unitary state, you are a federation. I found a wise guy)

            These are excuses. Colonized northern Kazakhstan, enslaved the Russian indigenous population and now sculpt excuses.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 14 February 2014 14: 05
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              Colonized Northern Kazakhstan, enslaved the Russian indigenous population

              The name of Northern Kazakhstan is strange, and the indigenous population is Russian? Look at the census data of 1897, how many Russians and Kazakhs there were then write. Today's Russians in KZ are mostly descendants of the "virgin lands".
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 14 February 2014 14: 14
                +1
                Quote: Clegg
                Strangely called Northern Kazakhstan, and the indigenous people are Russians?

                Well, so you captured, and renamed. And so Northern Kazakhstan is South Siberia, in a word is Siberia, or ALL Siberia - is originally Kazakh territory? To the Pacific Ocean. laughing
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 14 February 2014 14: 32
                  +2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  or is ALL Siberia - originally Kazakh territory?

                  no,

                  Have you heard about the Astrakhan and Siberian Khanates?
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 14 February 2014 15: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Have you heard about the Astrakhan and Siberian Khanates?

                  And what does the Kazakhs have to do with it?
                3. Clegg
                  Clegg 14 February 2014 15: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Have you heard about the Astrakhan and Siberian Khanates?

                  And what does the Kazakhs have to do with it?


                  The answer is, what does the Russian have to do with it?
                  Some land belonged to them, but not Russian. If the peoples of the Urals and Siberia gain independence, we will solve these territorial issues with them as brothers, I have nothing to discuss with you))))
                4. Setrac
                  Setrac 14 February 2014 15: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: Clegg
                  The answer is, what does the Russian have to do with it?

                  Scientific methods of cognition are not peculiar to you?
                  SCIENCE has proved that on the territory of Russia the indigenous peoples are Indo-Europeans, the peoples you have indicated are Mongoloids, they are newcomers.
                  It was under the Romanovs that the Germans wrote to the Russians such a "history" that they, like, mastered Siberia, but this is nonsense of the West. In fact, the lands settled by the Russians were annexed.
                  And if Caucasians as Indo-Europeans can claim the role of indigenous peoples, then the nation of the Mongoloid race - no.
                  I would like to draw your attention to the fact that quite recently, before the war on the Volga, there was German autonomy, in the east there is still Jewish autonomy, is this also the indigenous peoples of Russia? All other "indigenous" peoples received their autonomies in the EXACTLY LIKE.
                  And already under the Romanovs, and then under the Communists, historians "blurred" this fact.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 14 February 2014 14: 40
          +3
          Quote: Clegg
          Strangely called Northern Kazakhstan, and the indigenous people are Russians?

          The oldest Russian settlement on the territory of modern Kazakhstan - Yaitsky town (later - the city of Uralsk) was founded in 1520. Later, Guryev (1645), Pavlodar (city status since 1861), Verny (1854), Semipalatinsk (1712), Ust-Kamenogorsk (1720), Petropavlovsk (1752), Akmolinsk (1824), Aktyubinsk (1868), Kustanay (Founded) were founded 1879), Kokchetav, Irgiz (1845), Turgai (1845), Kazalinsk (1848) and other smaller urban settlements. All these cities were founded by Russians. Kazakhs lived by the principle -
          Mene is cramped when I see someone else's yurt on the horizon.
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  • TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 14 February 2014 14: 11
    +2
    Federal Law of the Russian Federation of December 28 2013 N 433-ФЗ
    "On Amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation"

    Extra charges:
    Published: December 30, 2013 in "RG" - Federal issue No. 6271
    Effective: May 9 2014
    Adopted by the State Duma on December 20 2013

    Approved by the Federation Council on December 25 2013

    Article 1

    Enter in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (Collection of Legislation of the Russian Federation, 1996, N 25, Art. 2954; 1998, N 26, Art. 3012; 1999, N 28, Art. 3489; 2002, N 30, Art. 3029; 2003, N 50, item 4848; 2004, N 30, item 3091; 2006, N 31, item 3452; 2007, N 31, item 4008; 2009, N 1, item 29; item 52, item 6453 2010, N 31, Art. 4164; 2011, N 30, Art. 4598; N 50, Art. 7362; 2012, N 47, Art. 6401; 2013, N 44, Art. 5641) change, supplemented by Article 2801 content:

    "Article 2801. Public calls for the implementation of actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation

    1. Public calls for the implementation of actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, -

    shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of up to two years, or by compulsory labor for a term of up to three hundred hours, or imprisonment for a term of up to three years.

    2. The same acts committed with the use of mass media, including information and telecommunication networks (including the Internet), -

    shall be punishable by compulsory labor for a term of up to four hundred and eighty hours, or by imprisonment for a term of up to five years. "
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 14 February 2014 14: 28
    -2
    Quote: Setrac
    Are they autochthons in the Stavropol Territory?

    Russian right there autochthons. They cut and drove the Circassians literally 2 centuries ago and became autochthons))
    They all resettled in Kazakhstan, too, became autochthonous, and the indigenous people arrived. Cool.
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 14 February 2014 16: 27
      +1
      you frolic here again. why do you care about law enforcement? how much more will the administration allow this inciting ethnic hatred? am
  • Vladimir.z.
    Vladimir.z. 14 February 2014 20: 25
    +1
    Quote: Clegg
    ...... Caucasians are basically not diasporas, but autochthons.


    Especially for Clegg
    From Wikipedia - the Diaspora (Greek διασπορά, “scattering”) - part of the people (ethnic group), living outside their country of origin, forming cohesive and stable ethnic groups in the country of residence .....
    From Wikipedia - Autochthons - groups whose ethnogenesis took place in this territory, the original population ...

    Clegg - please read carefully and draw reasonable conclusions without emotion .....
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 February 2014 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir.z.
      From Wikipedia - Diaspora (Greek διασπορά, “dispersal”) - part of the people (ethnic group) living outside their country of origin

      So it applies to Azerbaijanis and Georgians. But not to the North Caucasians, because they are part of the territory of the Russian Federation. And not a separate state-va. Although it can also be attributed to Azerbaijanis, since it is included in 14 titular peoples of Dagestan according to the Costume of Dagestan like 9th place.
      1. Vladimir.z.
        Vladimir.z. 15 February 2014 11: 03
        0
        Quote: Yeraz
        ... to the North Caucasians not, because they are part of the territory of the Russian Federation ....


        They have their own territorial entities that can be called differently - republics, autonomies, etc. as you like. So let them live in their national apartments, beat tambourines and dance Lezgins ... And the Slavs Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians during the time of the Russian Empire and the Union went to their land to protect the borders of the state, build enterprises and teach literacy to the local population how were interested in a normal peaceful life. Are they now leaving the North Caucasus? Do they work at enterprises and teachers in schools? According to personal observations, only a few and they are officially working as entrepreneurs ...
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 15 February 2014 19: 35
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir.z.
          So let them live in their national apartments, beat tambourines and dance lezginka ...

          So there is no work there. Do you think from regions including Russians they go from a good life ?? And in the Caucasus they still blow up with them. It’s just that the media does not inflate, it just became statistics.
          Quote: Vladimir.z.
          Are they now leaving the North Caucasus? Do they work at enterprises and teachers in schools?

          Well, basically they are security guards in shopping centers and clubs, cafes and various fields. Students. Who already live and are considered local. And drove a lot ..
  • washi
    washi 14 February 2014 13: 22
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir.z.
    Stop sharing.

    I agree, but remember ALL COSSACK (Kazakh) republics formed after February 1917
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 February 2014 08: 54
    +4
    This is precisely the trouble - the beginning, and there it will come dashingly. We are all Russia. This includes Evenks, Buryats, Kalmyks, Tatars and Dagestanis, too. If we begin to divide the country according to nationality, then we will repeat the experience of the USSR. Collapse 2 will be inevitable.
    On the contrary, I propose such an option. Administrative division: district-volost-oblast-krai-state. Names of regions in the capital of the region, for example, Kazan, Elistinskaya, Grozny. The names of the geographic areas, for example, Caucasian, Ural, etc.
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 14 February 2014 11: 15
      -3
      Quote: Gardamir
      The collapse of 2 will be inevitable.
      On the contrary, I propose such an option. Administrative division: district-volost-oblast-krai-state. Names of regions in the capital of the region, for example, Kazan, Elistinskaya, Grozny. The names of the geographic areas, for example, Caucasian, Ural, etc.
      If so, then definitely the collapse of 2 will be inevitable.
      Do you think the Tatars, Bashkirs and others will agree?
      Tatar nationalists will thank you very much. And then they chopped sapsem, and so you give them such a trump card .. yes
      Do they really want them, like the rest of Russia, to take the money and send it to the "non-rubber" ??
      The Bashkirs are so unhappy with the "Muscovites" who have come in large numbers, and they will definitely not agree to the loss of their republican status ..
      Quote: Ross
      Cossacks - the last hope of the Russian Stavropol
      And where was this "last hope" when Tsapki were operating in Kushchevskaya ?!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 14 February 2014 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: Alibekulu
        The Bashkirs are so unhappy with the "Muscovites" who have come in large numbers, and they will definitely not agree to the loss of their republican status ..

        The Kremlin never asks anyone. Moscow does not listen to its own Russians; do you really think that it will listen to the Bashkirs or Tatars?
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  • Apache
    Apache 14 February 2014 06: 32
    +5
    As long as the primacy of blood prevails in the state, the clan ... the state is stable, and even more so it will not be great. Unfortunately, there is no need to talk about the rule of law in the Russian Federation. Of course, national diasporas exist everywhere, some, such as the Jewish one, are powerful, others are weaker, and, of course, their main function is to help blood brothers. This is natural, not natural another - we help one at the expense of others.
  • invisibility
    invisibility 14 February 2014 06: 35
    +9
    Quote: siberalt
    In my opinion, Khloponin is right in proposing the creation of the Stavropol Russian autonomy (republic)

    Khloponin proposes to create another useless subject.
    All this suggests that the authorities do not have and did not have a coherent national policy. All work with the Caucasus comes down to monetary subsidies, i.e. to banal bribes!
    Today, Stavropol, tomorrow what? Krasnodar? Rostov?
  • Igor39
    Igor39 14 February 2014 06: 39
    +7
    Civilians of the Caucasus, peacefully moving to the Stavropol region from their fertile lands ...
  • bear
    bear 14 February 2014 06: 44
    +12
    The neighbors will begin to respect us, because in the Caucasus they perfectly understand what their own land, their home means. ”

    These neighbors will understand when they begin to kill, cut, they will not understand the other. Yes, and the authorities do not allow brave djigits, so that the law is not turned into concepts. Personally, I can’t imagine such that in Dagestan, Chechnya, the percentage of employees in the bodies was 50 to 50.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 14 February 2014 06: 45
    +21
    one cannot influence the annexed people by the army, it can be influenced only by another people, more organized, that’s the answer.


    But the trouble is that the RUSSIAN PEOPLE as a subject of territory does not exist - I always said that the current policy of the KREMLIN is aimed at emasculating the national identity of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE as such.

    To put it mildly, they make Russians dung on which all sorts of hot CAUCASOIDS, Shenderovichi, Novodvorsky and other Russophobes grow their thugs.

    Article 282 ALLOWS ANYONE TO SPEAK FOR AN EYE ANNOUNCEMENT AGAINST THE SITUATION OF THINGS BY THE RUSSIANS.

    Any attempt to organize the RUSSIAN POPULATION into an independent organization is suppressed by the KREMLIN in the bud - sometimes using outright provocateurs.

    I deeply doubt that PUTIN will change the current state of affairs after SOCHI.
    As a result, sooner or later, due to the increase in tension in this matter, an explosion will occur like KONDOPOGI — which will likely be local in nature (it’s easier to crush such conflicts in KREMLIN)

    On an all-Russian scale, nothing will change and crushes me after this sadness and a great offense at our KREMLIN untouchables.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 14 February 2014 07: 43
      +29
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I deeply doubt that PUTIN will change the current state of affairs after SOCHI. As a result, sooner or later, due to the increase in tension in this matter, an explosion will occur like KONDOPOGI — which will likely be local in nature (it’s easier to crush such conflicts)

      Over the past 20 years, the North Caucasus as a whole, but much more specifically Dagestan, Ingushetia and Chechnya, the so-called republics of the DIS, have left the Russian constitutional, mental, civil and any other field. This is not Russia, or not completely Russia. The generation that grew up there no longer associates itself with Russia. First of all, they are not Russians, but carriers of Islamic national, clan and any other identity. Russia is on the list of their priorities in ... twelfth place if at all. They are brought up on their patriarchal and archaic foundations, they want to live according to their own laws, are grouped according to their characteristics and treat Russia with contempt, with a sense of their own superiority and historical resentment, as well as a hunting field and a payer of tribute. And no Khloponins, with their futile attempts to attract these peoples to normal work, appropriation of the title of a hero, and cloying loyalty, will not help in changing the mentality of the population of this WILD. Because in 20 of recent years, they destroyed the Soviet legacy, which allowed them to live economically safely and nationally peacefully. They went into archaic, social and religious norms of the 15-16-17 centuries, being guided by which normal civilized life in our time is impossible. To understand how to establish relations with them, it is enough to recall Yermolov. Alexey, hi !
      1. avt
        avt 14 February 2014 08: 40
        +6
        Quote: Tersky
        Over the past 20 years, the North Caucasus as a whole, but much more specifically Dagestan, Ingushetia and Chechnya, the so-called republics of the DIS, have left the Russian constitutional, mental, civil and any other field. This is not Russia, or not completely Russia. The generation that grew up there no longer associates itself with Russia. First of all, they are not Russians, but carriers of Islamic national, clan and any other identity. Russia is on the list of their priorities in ... twelfth place if at all

        good And it could not be otherwise, as soon as the official ideology was abolished. Instantly she began to be occupied by militant Islam. Further - more, the "Gaidarov Witnesses" sect began to introduce the "All-Regulating Market" and the measure of everything was money. Why obey the laws when the right can be bought? And how to relate to the one who sold the birthright - caught himself and is now moaning, give it back ?? I only finished reading the article to --- “What a sin, another Cossack can stoop to get a bribe from a Russian. But a hereditary Cossack from a Caucasian will never accept a bribe, under any circumstances. " laughing Then I just could not.
  • Apache
    Apache 14 February 2014 06: 54
    +6
    As soon as Russian autonomy is created, Russia can be forgotten. Once and forever! It was still not enough to create your own autonomy in your state! Now, with regard to autonomy, as I imagine it, this is primarily a territory with an original indigenous population in need of protection and preservation of cultural and national characteristics. A striking example is Chukotka, Evenk Autonomous Okrug. The northern people need protection - this is a fact, civilization is mortally dangerous for them, but do such national entities as the Caucasus, like Tuva ... need to be protected what kind of identity is there? An example is Khakassia. All national holidays are a miserable parody, 90% of Khakasses do not know their native language ... and what's the point of all this?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 February 2014 07: 09
      +1
      It was still not enough to create your own autonomy in your state! -

      do not worry, the Russians will not be allowed to create their own autonomy — the Russians do not have their own state — and then why one cannot do it and the other cannot — where is the same equality of peoples that is laid down in the Constitution of Russia is absurd.
      As for the northern peoples — this is a bad example — you'd better mention the ardent representatives of the Caucasus.
      1. Apache
        Apache 14 February 2014 07: 18
        +5
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        As for the northern peoples — this is a bad example — you'd better mention the ardent representatives of the Caucasus.

        You see only the Caucasus, other autonomies are no better!
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Russians do not have their own state

        Too bad you think so. I think differently, this is our country!
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 14 February 2014 07: 28
          +11
          When there will be no TALKS, when there will be no division, as you say, of our country into REPUBLIC by nationality I WILL TELL WITH PURE CONSCIENCE YES THIS IS OUR COUNTRY.

          And if I now stumble somewhere in CHECHNYA or INGUSHETIA about the rights of Russians, I will quickly get IEDs, and I won’t even have time to think about our country.
          1. Apache
            Apache 14 February 2014 08: 08
            +5
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            And if I now stumble somewhere in CHECHNYA or INGUSHETIA about the rights of Russians, I will quickly get IEDs, and I won’t even have time to think about our country.

            I wrote about the untouchables above, and also wrote that in my opinion this is a direct road to the abyss, for the whole country. the parasite cannot live outside the host, first it kills him, then he dies himself. We have not died yet, not yet.
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 14 February 2014 08: 58
              +2
              Apache, understand me correctly, I am not a supporter of radical nationalism, but I can’t agree when the facets of national dignity are erased when they say to me from the media and TV channels like RAIN that I must abandon my people and become an AMORPHIC EUROPEAN with all the signs of LGBT people –– this will never happen HOPED this, the reformers in KREMLIN will be an eternal struggle with them and those who want to make us a DAMAGED CATTLE.
              1. Apache
                Apache 14 February 2014 09: 25
                +5
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                AMORPHIC EUROPEAN

                As soon as we become amorphous, so only Russia will disappear. I just categorically do not accept and refuse to accept my autonomy in my country. Rave! By the way, I'm not Russian :) I am Ukrainian. But be that as it may, my country, I live in it, I love her and I consider all current national politics to be fundamentally wrong. I have already said which nations need autonomy; the Caucasian are not among them.
                Actually, we are talking about the same thing, in fact, as long as anarchy rules in the country, the state will not be strong.
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          2. Very old
            Very old 14 February 2014 08: 30
            +6
            "when there will be no division, as you say, of our country into the REPUBLIC on a national basis"

            The same LEKHA correctly noticed.
            Under the sovereigns - GOVERNMENTS were.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 14 February 2014 12: 00
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        do not worry, Russians will not be allowed to create their autonomy

        Russia is Russian "autonomy".
  • bear
    bear 14 February 2014 06: 58
    +1
    In general, there are a lot of traitors in the government, to deal with them.
  • treskoed
    treskoed 14 February 2014 07: 41
    +10
    The column was removed from the nationality passport - and national education must be eliminated! The province - and all! And territorially divide so that there is little national - the nation is the Russian people! But for this it is necessary to eradicate corruption and bribery, so that the official serves the Motherland, and not his pocket!
  • Owl
    Owl 14 February 2014 07: 48
    +14
    According to the wrong "tradition," Russia is a country ruled by a "one-man leader"; these were tsars, emperors, general secretaries and now - the president. Until this "tsar" pushes his fist on the table, the "boyars" will only sigh tearfully about the "difficult situation" and call "for patience, soon everything will be fine and it will become even more beautiful." The fact that Russia is dying out is clear, the growth in numbers is due to the "southern stream" (the republics of the Caucasus), the Slavic, Tatar urban population "is not growing very much", there is nowhere to live, let the president try to live on an "average salary" and pay a mortgage or he thinks that every young family should find a treasure, like the cat Matroskin with Uncle Fyodor, and buy a house. Dancing on the ruins of the USSR, these "bosses" do not want to take from the Soviet experience what was vital for the state: education, medicine, science and the construction of affordable social and service housing. But the "tsar" and the "boyars" will not return to the positive moment of the Soviet State: "Everything for themselves, everything for their POCKET, and the People will still live on, for the years of" my power "- There is still ENOUGH People in Russia."
  • Lk17619
    Lk17619 14 February 2014 07: 51
    +5
    It seems that national strife has begun with renewed vigor since 1987, it has been stretching for 26 years, and today it is renewed with renewed vigor and with the support of the state. When does it all stop ?? ...
    Quote: treskoed
    The column was removed from the nationality passport - and national education must be eliminated!

    That's what I am for with all arms and legs! Only this, no one in power needs anyone. They filled the scumbag and nishtyak .... When I read the works of Lenin (how many tore off, so much I read) I know how to capture the telegraph .... Can we start a revolution ??
  • Cetegg
    Cetegg 14 February 2014 07: 58
    +11
    Very nice video! nothing to add!
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 14 February 2014 08: 14
    0
    Moscow, that is, those who managed to steal, or continue to steal in power, are not interested in the survival of the Russian people. Why?
    to escape to the Cote d'Azur, or where else, the benefit is already there
    real estate in the form of a cozy castle. Therefore, they do not give a damn how the tribes of the Caucasus are spreading around Russia. It's sad and insulting!
    What a pity that in the 19th century, we stuck in the gorges of the Caucasus, bringing them civilization?
    There was a defensive Line along the Terek, the Cossacks skillfully repelled the attacks of the Abreks. And now, we would not have known any states in the Caucasus, if they had been wild tribes, they had slaughtered each other.
    If the authorities do not take any action, we will lose the south of Russia.
    1. Lk17619
      Lk17619 14 February 2014 08: 49
      +1
      Quote: Neophyte
      osudarstva in the Caucasus, let them be wild tribes, slaughtered each other

      Unfortunately, this is not so, Turkey would be hosting there now .....
    2. demel2
      demel2 14 February 2014 09: 18
      +1
      If the authorities and you and I will not do anything, we will lose not the South, but the whole of Russia, once you and I, and not the authorities, have lost the Great State, I’m afraid if we only appeal to the authorities, we will lose our Motherland.
  • Cetegg
    Cetegg 14 February 2014 08: 23
    +5
    Maybe it's time to move from the Christian "if you hit on the left cheek, turn the right one" to other principles of "eye for an eye"! The "autokhonts" cannot make friends with the Slavs, so "let them hate, if only they were afraid"! PS I would write in more detail, but what if I am accused of "inciting" ?! repeat
    1. Lk17619
      Lk17619 14 February 2014 09: 03
      +1
      Quote: Cetegg
      PS I would write in more detail, but what if I am accused of "inciting" ?!

      They won’t be able to blame, there are lines of Christ in the Bible: -I didn’t bring peace to you, but a sword ... So Christianity can be more like Islam. Remember the Crusades)))
    2. Zaslavsky-S
      Zaslavsky-S 14 February 2014 09: 22
      +3
      Recall our Gods!
    3. Field
      Field 14 February 2014 09: 52
      +2
      Unfortunately they can. And the term was added. Only it will affect us Russians again, the "wood" will again have nothing to do with it.
    4. Orik
      Orik 14 February 2014 11: 23
      +1
      Quote: Cetegg
      Maybe it's time to move from the Christian "if you hit on the left cheek, turn the right one" to other principles of "eye for an eye"! The "autokhonts" cannot make friends with the Slavs, so "let them hate, if only they were afraid"! PS I would write in more detail, but what if I am accused of "inciting" ?! repeat

      The left and right cheek principle only applies to personal abuse. "Love your enemies, destroy the enemies of the fatherland, abhor the enemies of God." The enemy must be destroyed ...
  • Magadan
    Magadan 14 February 2014 09: 07
    +4
    I know about Stavropol from my friend, he lives there. Everything says the same thing as in the article.
    About renaming "Russian Republic" ... hell knows. Maybe then it's better all the same to "Stavropol Cossack Land"? Otherwise, it will turn out to be a kind of "Russian republic" from Moscow to the very Volga. We are the state that forms the people and cannot close ourselves off from other nations in our enclaves. This is exactly what our "Western partners" want from us!
    And Caucasians are far from all scumbags. I affirm that more than 80% of Caucasians are excellent, honest, competent guys, real friends who will not abandon in trouble. Maybe it’s only in our North, I don’t know, but I don’t like it when, because of a few percent of thugs, the whole nation is being harassed.
    1. Orik
      Orik 14 February 2014 11: 20
      +1
      And Caucasians are far from all scumbags. I affirm that more than 80% of Caucasians are excellent, honest, competent guys, real friends who will not abandon in trouble. Maybe it’s only in our North, I don’t know, but I don’t like it when, because of a few percent of thugs, the whole nation is being harassed.

      So let these 80% and a lot of scumbags, but for some reason everything is wrong. 80% are silent silently and waiting for the scumbags to free the territory.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 14 February 2014 12: 07
        +1
        Quote: Orik
        So let these 80% and a lot of scumbags, but for some reason everything is wrong. 80% are silent silently and waiting for the scumbags to free the territory.

        They are in the same situation as the Russians, the law protects the criminal.
  • dmb
    dmb 14 February 2014 09: 31
    +4
    The article is a description of a banal squabble between those who managed to snatch and those who managed, but less. Everything is written correctly about Bondarev, but then it’s worth remembering about Klimenko, the OBEPO and tax-police general is not at all an object of virtues. And all his "Cossack" activities boil down to one thing: "Give the state enterprises into private hands for free." What does patriotism and protection of the Russian population have to do with it? Expansion from the Caucasian republics? Yes, it undoubtedly exists. But how will the creation of an "autonomous Russian Stavropol republic" (this "clinic" not I invented, but one of the commentators) affect it? Apparently, the authors of such proposals assume that they will decide the issues of registration, acquisition of property, appointment to positions in the federal authorities at the next gathering under the shouts of "Lyubo". Sorry, what does Russia and its defense have to do with it? Indeed, according to their logic, the screaming "Lyubo" should have privileges over others. And why the hell do we need this very Constitution?
  • Blot
    Blot 14 February 2014 09: 33
    +2
    Quote: Magadan
    I know about Stavropol from my friend, he lives there. Everything says the same thing as in the article.
    About renaming "Russian Republic" ... hell knows. Maybe then it's better all the same to "Stavropol Cossack Land"? Otherwise, it will turn out to be a kind of "Russian republic" from Moscow to the very Volga. We are the state that forms the people and cannot close ourselves off from other nations in our enclaves. This is exactly what our "Western partners" want from us!
    And Caucasians are far from all scumbags. I affirm that more than 80% of Caucasians are excellent, honest, competent guys, real friends who will not abandon in trouble. Maybe it’s only in our North, I don’t know, but I don’t like it when, because of a few percent of thugs, the whole nation is being harassed.

    And what kind of flag do you have is not Magadan? Well, everything is clear ... These 80% are great guys because their peasant thugs from the south have not yet reached them! And then you will find out how honest and competent they are !!! Drive evil until it's too late !!! Otherwise, in a few years, your children will read the Quran! They will survive all of you! Until one! Wake up !!! Drive this black scum !!!
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 14 February 2014 09: 43
    +4
    V.V.Zhirinovsky was right a thousand times when he declared at a meeting in the State Duma on national issues that the main regional entity in Russia should be provinces, not republics, territories, regions and areas. Initially, it was IMPOSSIBLE to divide the country into national regions, this is great nonsense, or rather a time bomb! Look at the same amers, well, they don’t have an Indian or Spanish republic, but there is a STAT, all countries that have republics in their composition, sooner or later, guided by their national mentality, begin to raise SEPARATISTS! The LAW must have all the power, and all must be equal before it!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 14 February 2014 10: 25
    +6
    Every Cossack in the Caucasus should have the right to own firearms, both short-barreled and automatic, to wear it openly and use it in case of a threat to their own or those around them without hesitation. Then the greyhound on cars with trunks will quiet down instantly and the rest will think a hundred times if it's worth it. Introduce national qualifications when applying for a job, especially in the ranks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Put in jail serving a sentence on an exterritorial basis, that is, in the north.
    1. washi
      washi 14 February 2014 13: 19
      -2
      Quote: ed65b
      Every Cossack in the Caucasus should have the right to own firearms, both short-barreled and automatic, to wear it openly and use it in case of a threat to their own or those around them without hesitation. Then the greyhound on cars with trunks will quiet down instantly and the rest will think a hundred times if it's worth it. Introduce national qualifications when applying for a job, especially in the ranks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Put in jail serving a sentence on an exterritorial basis, that is, in the north.

      And remember how you drenched you with cold steel, or generally melee, are you weak?
      Come on firearms.
      With a gun, any jerk is a horse. And judging by the article, you have some jerks. Are there men?
      Although I'm sorry, for Kozak the word man is offensive.
      "Introduce a national qualification when applying for a job, especially in the ranks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Putting in prisons to serve a sentence on an extraterritorial basis, that is, in the north."
      This is what I especially liked. Those. All Caucasians to the north, because You can't handle it.
      Over the centuries, nothing has changed. Stavropol Territory, Dagestan, Chechnya, Krasnodar, Zaporozhye, and indeed All Ukraine.
      This is what the KAZAKIS snapped without the support of MOSCOW. Conclusion - the Cossacks is a symbol for money laundering. In fact, these are descendants of the Khazars (Jews), which is confirmed by some propagandists of the Cossacks.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 14 February 2014 18: 18
        0
        Vasya, you are not from that opera. I don’t intend to polemicize with you because of the sheer stupidity of your post and, accordingly, the confusion in your head. fool
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  • Ross
    Ross 14 February 2014 10: 44
    +2
    Quote: Cetegg
    I will answer with the Russian proverb "no matter how much you feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest"! there are such "people" for whom no matter how much you give them everything will be little, only the appetite will increase! Read the story, one of the main reasons for the Caucasian wars of the 19th century in the constant raids of "peaceful and kind, high-mountain residents" on the territory of "evil" Russians who decided to populate empty lands ...

    My friend lives in Stavropol. The article fully confirms our conversations with him, although he is not a Cossack. The Cossacks are the last hope of the Russians of Stavropol, because only the "guests" recognize strength.
    1. washi
      washi 14 February 2014 13: 04
      0
      Quote: Ross
      My friend lives in Stavropol. The article fully confirms our conversations with him, although he is not a Cossack. The Cossacks are the last hope of the Russians of Stavropol, because only the "guests" recognize strength.

      Cossacks are freebie, racketeering and banditry.
      There are Russians there. And they are separated by territory
  • ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 14 February 2014 11: 54
    +4
    I read up to: "The chieftain did not directly ask for money - only resources for military self-sufficiency. Namely:...."and at once everything fell into place. It began with the protection of the Russians, and ended with another banal division of state property and the division of portfolios. These clowns have nothing in common with the Cossacks of tsarist times. Tasks and goals, mentality and spirit are not the same. entertainment, and the Cossack chieftains a semblance of power.
    Regarding the "Russian Stavropol Territory" sheer stupidity. The name of our country "Russia" from the word Russian, what other name is needed. Maybe then at the same time they will rename the "Russian Moscow region" or "Moscow-Russian", otherwise the number of migrants in Moscow will be more than in the Stavropol region! Now, if it were really possible to return the administrative division of the country according to the principles developed by Catherine II, it would be logical, but dangerous.
    1. Cetegg
      Cetegg 14 February 2014 12: 19
      -1
      Moscow will most likely have to be renamed to Moskavabad or Moscowstan!)))
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 14 February 2014 12: 55
        +1
        Quote: Cetegg
        Moscow will most likely have to be renamed to Moskavabad or Moscowstan!)))

        Dear administration, I draw attention to the second user account of Slegg - Cetegg.
        1. Cetegg
          Cetegg 14 February 2014 19: 32
          0
          father ?! How do you feel ?!) This is my first and only account! You can take a look at other military-political sites! No need to blame me for nothing! And if you are not satisfied with my comments, write to me in a personal! let's talk "mono-o-mono"!)
      2. Cetegg
        Cetegg 14 February 2014 20: 00
        0
        Quote: Cetegg
        Moscow will most likely have to be renamed to Moskavabad or Moscowstan!)))


        You people are familiar with the word irony ?!)
  • Stinger
    Stinger 14 February 2014 12: 20
    +2
    In fact, one would have to follow the path of the dissolution of all autonomies, and not produce them.
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 14 February 2014 12: 25
    +4
    In his post devoted to the "Caucasian problem" on another thread of the forum, he wrote the following: The only solution to the "Caucasian issue" in modern conditions is: by all means it is necessary to sponsor the departure, migration, emigration of Caucasian peoples to Europe. Thus, "we will kill a few birds with one stone": 1) we will send the most aggressive part of society away, 2) the radical young Caucasian lumpen will muddy the waters among the well-fed burghers, let them spin in the "frying pan", 2) the young people who have left "to study" in Europe will weaken the villages, will deprive recruits of all kinds of radicals. 3) even if they come back, they will not be those "animals" - the European "culture" will obsess them, maybe (I cherish the hope-ha-ha) someone will go under the "blue" banners ".... Well, in the same spirit. And all this can already be done right now, using the myths inflated by the European Union itself about the" freedom-loving ", small nations" oppressed "in Russia - that is," beat "our enemies, sorry - "partners" with their own "weapons" ".
    At the moment, another solution, alas, does not exist.
    1. Yuri Sev Caucasus
      Yuri Sev Caucasus 14 February 2014 15: 20
      0
      I can answer your proposal so that in 2013 Germany had a program to invite Chechens to 50000 families planned to accept permanent residence. But they simply didn’t give permission to leave our country, so they went by tour, the bus came back and it was empty =). I don’t know how many left and in what ways but the program was turned off.
  • rotmistr4
    rotmistr4 14 February 2014 12: 39
    +1
    The problem of humiliation of the Russian nation is becoming more acute! The authorities have acknowledged their impotence and are putting the brakes on solving the problem. Typical situations are already in all regions, and not just near the Caucasus. And the situation becomes extremely critical !! The cup of patience can overflow and then the houses of the "guests" will burn and it's good if there are no owners inside !!!!
  • washi
    washi 14 February 2014 13: 01
    +2
    In the "dashing 90s" in connection with the general chaos, the Cossacks of Stavropol regained some of the special pre-revolutionary powers and treated the visitors as they wanted. It came to blatant lawlessness: frisky lads shred checkers at the goods of visiting merchants on market stalls, tear their passports to shreds, and the guests themselves were publicly slaughtered. By "zero" such amateur activity came to naught.
    This tradition dates back to tsarist times. Those who work and trade are not Cossacks, but ...... there are many expressions.
    Cossack should not plow. And suddenly war (robbery), and he is tired.
    Remember Kushchevka.
    Around "Russian" Cossacks.
    So what? Looks like those who were bent turned out to be not Cossacks, but RUSSIAN.
    Remember the CONTEMPORARY RUSSIAN villages (I do not want to name) when the people did not give a damn about the cops defended their own. And then he put the polite cops on the rule.
    As the Cossacks were not Rus, they remained.
    To sniff, as it is in the western and in Khazarsky (Jewish).
    And collectivism and concern for others - this is in Russian.
  • Des10
    Des10 14 February 2014 13: 14
    +1
    The authorities deliberately close their eyes to DIC and close by, it’s easier to pay off and not notice. And, most likely, now it’s scary to tackle this problem, and even beyond its strength and intelligence.
    There are a lot of lieutenants - Caucasians, there are all sorts - and athletes, and comrades, and smart ...
    And the fact that they capture the Stavropol Territory - yes, but about the Russians in the Republic of S. Caucasus - where are they ...
    1. MVS
      MVS 14 February 2014 14: 52
      0
      Quote: Des10
      but about the Russians in the republic of S. Caucasus - where are they ...

      There are a lot of us here. The Caucasus is not only Chechnya and Dagestan.
  • dart_noos
    dart_noos 14 February 2014 13: 27
    0
    http://vimeo.com/56088679 рождество в Еврабии. Нету среди них нормальных людей
  • Bene valete
    Bene valete 14 February 2014 13: 49
    +3
    Yes, the main problem is not Caucasians or someone else!
    Home PROBLEM IN US IN RUSSIAN ... !!!
    We ourselves do not respect each other, look at your entrance, everyone seems to be Russians and our own, but in fact each other is "sir ... t" on the head, one child is sick, and behind the wall is "youth of Russia" after a "working" week mad ... etc. A neighbor at a neighbor in the country, or a deprivation of meters secretly tyrit or "helps" with the harvest)))
    And in the clinics, look at what is going on, one can hardly breathe, and who insolently climbs out of line ... and this is even with little kids ... (who see everything and "learn" from dads and mothers "love and respect") (( ((
    And who allows Caucasians to be impudent and disgraceful? Aliens, or what? No, our Russian officials and "officers"!
    Above in the comments about the RUSSIAN Empire and the rulers were remembered ..., so read how they treated each other at that time ... even in fist fights, on holidays, and there were respect and rules of conduct!
    And let us remember about the great Russian grandfathers, so hazing was welcomed and had a completely different meaning ..., they protected and taught young people and she respected experienced warriors. Therefore, they won!

    In a word, the problem of the expansion of the Caucasians is far-fetched !!!
    HERE TO LEARN YOU TO RESPECT YOURSELF, AND NOT THE REPUBLIC, NO COSSACK CORDONS WILL BE NEEDED ... EVERYTHING WILL BE RESPECTED ALSO !!!
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 14 February 2014 14: 32
    +1
    Another thing is surprising. Why did the author put pictures of Dagestanis on the Caspian coast in BAKU ??
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 14 February 2014 14: 36
      +1
      Quote: Yeraz
      Why did the author put pictures of Dagestanis on the Caspian coast in BAKU ??

      Is it Baku?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 February 2014 14: 49
        +1
        DA. You see there the tower tower opposite and the television tower. The truth is that the characters with such sweaters are not annoying. Well, one of the sweaters is Caucasian, but everyone strives for it, the other has Dagestan, well, it's cool, there are a lot of other sweaters with the names of the country, but carefully Dagestanis arouses laughter among Azerbaijanis, they are part of Russia, dependent, but pontovvvv))))
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 14 February 2014 15: 02
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          . The truth is that characters with such sweaters cause irritation.

          ))))))))))))

          By the way, what do you call the city? Buck?
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 14 February 2014 15: 27
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            By the way, what do you call the city? Buck?

            Yes Bakı. The Turks call Bakü.
        2. DON-100
          DON-100 14 February 2014 18: 09
          +2
          Quote: Yeraz
          DA. You see there the tower tower opposite and the television tower. The truth is that the characters with such sweaters are not annoying. Well, one of the sweaters is Caucasian, but everyone strives for it, the other has Dagestan, well, it's cool, there are a lot of other sweaters with the names of the country, but carefully Dagestanis arouses laughter among Azerbaijanis, they are part of Russia, dependent, but pontovvvv))))

          Well, laugh)))
          What is the significance of the Dagestanis as part of Russia or not? Azerbaijan gained independence only because at the time of the collapse of the USSR it was a republic, and not autonomy like Dagestan, that’s the whole difference. The independence you have received for nothing. You might think you heroically fought for your independence, where you climb to compare yourself with the Dagestanis who for decades struggled with the expansion of Russia. The Pontos themselves are no less. Pot calls the kettle black )
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 14 February 2014 20: 27
            0
            Quote: DON-100
            What is the significance of the Dagestanis as part of Russia or not? Azerbaijan gained independence only because at the time of the collapse of the USSR it was a republic, and not autonomy like Dagestan, that’s the whole difference.

            Come on??
            Quote: DON-100
            The independence you have received for nothing. You might think you fought heroically for your independence

            Maybe on January 20, not my relatives rushed to the tactics of the Soviets and Soviet soldiers didn’t kill their unarmed ??
            We paid with Karabakh for our independence, which has still not been returned due to the position of one of the participants in the OSCE Minsk Group.
            Quote: DON-100
            where are you going to compare yourself with the Dagestanis who for decades struggled with the expansion of Russia.

            Awesome fought. True Dagestanis only one people Kumyks. As they lowered the others from the mountains so immediately in the arms of Russia and the level of development at zero.
            Quote: DON-100
            Pontoons themselves are no less. Pot calls the kettle black )

            Chechens, Azerbaijanis have something to talk about, what ???? comparing them stupidly, it became clear that Dagestan show-offs were a Avar theme. Kumyks and Dargins (I met them less) were several times less show-offs and culture behavior was much higher. Although Kumyks were not surprised, it was still TURKI, although they were also prone to some processes.
  • trophy
    trophy 14 February 2014 15: 07
    0
    Somehow, what is happening in our country does not fight with the basic law and with common sense. In my opinion, it is necessary to create the Russian Republic by analogy with Tatarstan, Buryatia and other Chechnya, and dance from this. But this is unlikely to take place in the short term. The leadership of the country is extremely beneficial for the turbidity that rises from all these interethnic squabbles. As long as we get together we simply don’t reach our hands. And about the creation of jobs in the Caucasus, it’s complete rubbish. Jobs need to be created where people can and want to work. Something I do not observe such a tendency among nationalities.
    1. MVS
      MVS 14 February 2014 15: 15
      0
      Quote: Trofim
      Somehow, what is happening in our country does not fight with the basic law and with common sense. In my opinion, it is necessary to create the Russian Republic by analogy with Tatarstan, Buryatia and other Chechnya, and dance from this.

      ... and get another headache. It is high time to abolish all the national republics, and not create new ones.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 14 February 2014 15: 56
      +1
      Quote: Trofim
      In my opinion, it is necessary to create the Russian Republic by analogy with Tatarstan, Buryatia and other Chechnya, and dance from this.

      There is such "autonomy", it is the Russian Federation. The only way to solve the ethnic question is to give birth to more children, while ethnic minorities give birth to more Russians - the ethnic question will get worse.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 14 February 2014 15: 08
    +1
    I’m a five-citizen and I will support any measures so that the Russians feel comfortable in the Stavropol Territory if necessary, I even take up arms because I got all this
  • Yuri Sev Caucasus
    Yuri Sev Caucasus 14 February 2014 15: 30
    +1
    I live in the Stavropol Territory, the article unequivocally highlights the problem that exists. But I will say something else, among the Caucasian peoples there are decent and honest people who themselves hate these so-called newcomers from the mountains, because they are stupid and only heat up the situation. there is enough single and controlled NO. Banditry and extremism is internationally enough for Russian wahs. So the problem is complex and cannot be solved only by renaming. Power towards the people behaves inappropriately. Now we have a new acting governor of the BBB you will not envy him with a solution THIS question.
  • pupkin70
    pupkin70 14 February 2014 17: 02
    0
    Here read a small note on the topic ....... Especially the last paragraph.
    http://judastruth.livejournal.com/171334.html
  • Clueless
    Clueless 14 February 2014 18: 02
    +1
    But I understand that the main thing is not to heat up. Oh, they are greyhounds. AND? I will say more - they are greyhounds because they are afraid. Afraid of us. For if they bother us - we will them in the Stone Age, and in the reservation for a couple of months we drive. For catching them is easy, they are very unlike us.

    Another thing - when we begin to do this, we are afraid we will not stop, and cut them to the root. And among them, there are good people to notice.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 14 February 2014 22: 45
    +1
    Joke is not a topic

    Shout of a Russian tourist at the Washington airport "Alla, I'm at the bar!" made 1300 Americans, including 40 police officers, take care of themselves.