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Rheinmetall Shows Its High Power Lasers

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Rheinmetall Shows Its High Power Lasers
Technological demo of a laser unit with a power of 30 kW, consisting of three HEL modules with a power of 10 kW, integrated into the gun turret M610



Recently, Rheinmetall demonstrated a technological prototype of a high-power next-generation laser at its test site in Switzerland. The development of such systems, which is taking leaps and bounds, can significantly change future combat capabilities.

Rheinmetall demonstrated its achievements in HEL technology (high-energy laser) at the Oxenboden artillery range in Switzerland at the end of October 2013. Tests included “shelling” of mobile and stationary HEL prototypes of several vertical take-off UAVs, as well as targets in the form of artillery shells, mortar ammunition and unguided missiles (RAM – rocket, artillery and mortar). The effectiveness of the new system was tested not only in the fight against RAM, but also in the scenarios of fighting improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and unexploded ordnance, as well as in air defense scenarios.

The development of the HEL technology began in the 90s of the last century according to the program of the American Army Enhanced Area Air Defense System (Enhanced Area Air Defense System), which was aimed at combining kinetic and directed energy systems to combat air and RAM threats.

“It was still too early then,” said Fabian Oxner, vice president of marketing at Rheinmetall Air Defense for marketing. "During operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, this technology was not yet ready for deployment."

Threats and opportunities
Despite the fact that the ground-based version of the Phalanx short-range shipboard complex with C-RAM capabilities (interception of unguided missiles, artillery shells and mines) was deployed among the troops, the US Army closed this program. However, Rheinmetall decided to develop the HEL technology for the requirements of C-RAM and ground-based air defense systems (GBAD), based on analytical reports obtained in its early studies.

Mr. Oxner mentioned the Australian study of GBAD's capabilities from 2008 of the year, which identifies various threat scenarios, the most difficult of which is to protect an airfield located deep in its territory from various types of air attacks, including UAVs. In addition, the NATO study 2012 of the year (NIAG SG-170), which is yet to be published, described in detail the “destruction of slow and low-flying small GBAD airborne threats” and emphasized the threat of the UAV, based on the analysis of a set of scenarios, including terrorist attacks.

In 2010, Rheinmetall installed a HEL prototype with an 5 kW power to the Mantis C-RAM platform, then 2011 produced a 10-kW laser technology demonstrator consisting of two 5-kW laser modules in a Skyshield turret connected to a Skyguard XNUM sensor unit.

In 2012, two more technological prototypes were made with the power of 20 kW and 30 kW beams. Accordingly, five high-power 10 kW lasers provided the total power of these two 50 kW units. In a series of tests carried out at the end of the same year, the demo successfully cut a steel beam 15 mm thick at a distance of 1 km, successfully detected, tracked and destroyed a UAV at a distance of 2 km, and also destroyed a steel ball with a diameter of 82 mm (mortar shell imitation) flying at a speed of 50 m / s.

Demo model

During the last test in October, Rheinmetall showed three different machines equipped with HEL actuators: a GTN BoxX 88 laser (Mobile HEL Effector Wheel XX) was installed on the GTK Boxer 5xNNMX; 10 kW laser facility (Mobile HEL Effector Track V) was installed on tracked BTR M1; and the 113-kW HEL installation in a container (Mobile HEL Effector Container L), consisting of two 20-kW HEL elements, was installed on the Tatra 10xXNNXX truck chassis.

In the 5-kW laser category, the Mobile HEL Effector Track V on the BTR M113 demonstrated its capabilities in the fight against ground targets. The laser machine destroyed unexploded ordnance and burned mines and IEDs from a safe distance within a couple of seconds, and also removed barriers from the barbed wire at 70 meters distance.

The Mobile HEL Effector Wheel XX on the Boxer 8x8 car demonstrated the neutralization of a large-caliber machine gun on a truck chassis, initiating the undermining of the cartridge in a machine-gun belt without risk to the shooter. The installation also demonstrated its ability to destroy a vertical takeoff UAV.

The ability to destroy the infrastructure from a distance of 2 km was demonstrated by the third “participant” - Mobile HEL Effector Container L. The radar was de-energized due to cutting the power cable with a laser installation, and then the radar mast itself was cut off within a few seconds. The system also successfully detected and tracked optical devices, such as rifle sights and remotely controlled cameras, which were then neutralized or destroyed.

“The main advantage of HEL actuators is their flexibility regarding escalation and de-escalation,” said Markus Jung, head of the Directional Energy Systems Department at Rheinmetall. “Laser beams are extremely scalable. When shelling optics, radio antennas, radar, ammunition or energy sources, HEL elements can neutralize entire weapons systems without destroying them, thereby causing less damage and minimizing indirect damage. ”


Tatra protected truck with installed 20 kW laser gun (Mobile HEL Effector Container L)


Cost of defeat

Other advantages of the system are “low cost per lesion” and unlimited number of laser inclusions. The company also said that the HEL demonstrator can work in difficult weather conditions, including snow, ice, rain and "blinding" sunlight.

The static demonstration involved a HEL laser with a power of 30 kW (three 10-kW lasers) installed in the MG10 gun turret, also connected to the Skyguard sensor unit. In the C-RAM scenario, the HEL installation destroyed several mortar shots at an increased range of 3 km.

In two demonstration episodes, the system found, identified, traced and destroyed steel balls with a diameter of 82 mm, shot from a pneumatic installation in quick succession, hitting five balls out of five in the first test and four out of five in the second. The 30 kW laser device was able to neutralize the UAV, blinding and destroying its optical-electronic sensors.

In the scenario that reproduces the attack of three UAVs at once, the system demonstrated the complete sequence of defeat. The Skyguard sensor unit detected and identified the UAV, then the installation captured and destroyed targets after performing coarse and precise tracking.


Three JT-240 UAV UAVs simulating a massive attack were shot down in quick succession with a 30 kW laser setup


Need more time

HEL technology is still evolving. “Today we are demonstrating a technological prototype and we need even more time to further develop and qualify it,” said Oxner.

The further development of technology mainly depends on the decision of the German government to purchase this system. In 2011, the Bundeswehr accepted the delivery of two MANTIS C-RAM systems and, in order to increase the efficiency of this system, is exploring the possibilities of installing the HEL system in addition to the guns.

Although the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan removes urgent requirements for C-RAM, Oksner believes that these requirements can be quickly determined again. The example of Syria only confirms his words. HEL mobile solutions are also suitable for installation on ships, so Rheinmetall will actively participate in the development of laser systems for the naval forces.

Materials used:
Land Warfare International December 2013 / January 2014
http://www.rheinmetall.de
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  2. rereture
    rereture 13 February 2014 08: 37
    +9
    These should be articles about laser weapons, everything is laid out on shelves.
    1. Interface
      Interface 13 February 2014 09: 19
      0
      It’s time to answer ours already, something about our lasers is not heard
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 13 February 2014 11: 57
        -4
        Quote: Interface
        It’s time to answer ours already, something about our lasers is not heard

        We will crush them with olympiads! angry
        1. Voronbit
          Voronbit 13 February 2014 13: 12
          +3
          what to say that it is still far from full-fledged damaging systems, only to reveal the direction of development
          1. saber1357
            saber1357 14 February 2014 01: 08
            +2
            What is shown in the article still looks like a set for shooting a new superblockbuster on a theme like "Big Northern Fox". These things are called "props" in Hollywood.
      2. bif
        bif 13 February 2014 18: 32
        +2
        Quote: Interface
        It’s time to answer ours already, something about our lasers is not heard

        In the 90's, there were tests of a laser machine made on the basis of AK. So at present, there is definitely no lag.
    2. pawel1961
      pawel1961 14 February 2014 00: 17
      +1
      Is it possible to believe in it?
    3. saber1357
      saber1357 14 February 2014 01: 07
      +1
      So the "Germans" are not American scammers.
  3. spech
    spech 13 February 2014 08: 40
    +5
    the question is, how much energy does this miracle eat and how much does it need to cool?
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 13 February 2014 10: 29
      +9
      Energy is not a problem for an atomic cruiser. But the ammunition is unlimited. And a shot costs almost nothing.
      1. andrey682006
        andrey682006 14 February 2014 08: 17
        +2
        A shot is worth the energy. It can be counted. Convert to generator fuel and wear. Calculate the cost and compare with missile and artillery air defense.
        But in the article, the authors write about prototypes and are silent about the price. And also about energy sources.
        Countermeasures in the form of ablative materials, rotation, smokescreens are not provided, characteristics in "difficult" conditions are not named.

        IMHO, lasers will take their place in the near air defense, the fight against optical homing heads and, in the future, in the stratosphere and space. But after compact and powerful sources of energy appear.
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      3. spech
        spech 20 February 2014 20: 55
        0
        energy is not worth it?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 13 February 2014 11: 09
      0
      Quote: spech
      the question is, how much energy does this miracle eat and how much does it need to cool?

      Enough, but not as much as it seems
      1. user1212
        user1212 13 February 2014 13: 06
        +12
        Quote: Pimply
        Enough, but not as much as it seems

        Very accurate and professional answer smile
      2. Rebus
        Rebus 13 February 2014 13: 29
        +9
        Quote: Pimply

        Enough, but not as much as it seems

        good What a vague-accurate answer, and most importantly understandable and life-affirming wassat wassat

        Does your answer relate to energy consumption or cooling time?
  4. Toporkoff
    Toporkoff 13 February 2014 09: 10
    +6
    would show the results of shooting in fog, rain and snow)))
    1. bif
      bif 13 February 2014 18: 26
      +2
      Quote: Toporkoff
      would show the results of shooting in fog, rain and snow)))

      I agree that the beam will lose enough energy when passing fog, rain, snow, sand or another suspension ... the efficiency will obviously fall, not to mention the possibilities of sighting equipment. Still interesting is the cost and operating costs.
      1. andrey682006
        andrey682006 14 February 2014 08: 26
        +1
        Also interesting are the ability to withstand vibration, mechanical damage, shock wave and electromagnetic pulse.
        Transportability, deployment time, life of wearing parts.
  5. Ali_Babba
    Ali_Babba 13 February 2014 09: 55
    -1
    Impressive results, and these are just prototypes. These weapons have a future in the navy.
    1. Slavapom
      Slavapom 13 February 2014 10: 05
      +3
      these weapons have no future, at least not in the next 50 years.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 13 February 2014 10: 43
        +3
        Well, this was also said about airplanes at the very beginning of the 20th century, and already in the 10th world they used fully aviation.
        1. Slavapom
          Slavapom 13 February 2014 13: 03
          +6
          We are talking about different things, it’s one thing to drop a couple of grenades from an airplane, and it’s quite another to create a real laser weapon. To be more precise, the range of technical challenges facing is not comparable.
          This is of course my opinion, you can blame me, but at the present time, none of the states has power plants that are compact, powerful and safe at the same time, and this is just one of the problems.
          In addition, having rested like sheep in a laser weapon, no one is looking for other possible ways of developing weapons / EM weapons, railguns and more /.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 13 February 2014 11: 10
        +2
        Quote: Slavapom
        these weapons have no future, at least not in the next 50 years.

        Somewhere in the States there is a society "Man will never fly", They believe that airplanes are a hoax
        1. Jin
          Jin 13 February 2014 12: 38
          +4
          Quote: Pimply
          Somewhere in the States there is a society "Man will never fly", They believe that airplanes are a hoax


          Che, really, Zhen? laughing Today is a good day to live !!!
        2. Marine One
          Marine One 13 February 2014 18: 51
          +6
          Quote: Pimply
          Somewhere in the States there is a society "Man will never fly", They believe that airplanes are a hoax

          Called The Man Will Never Fly Memorial Society. Founded in 1959. In fact, just a club of jokers and drunks. And his motto is appropriate - "Birds Fly, Men Drink." They award annual awards for the most dubious achievements in aviation, support the so-called "invisible UFO museum", develop projects for converting aircraft into beer kegs laughing And so on ... Their site - http://manwillneverfly.com/
          1. Jin
            Jin 13 February 2014 19: 02
            +1
            Quote: Marine One
            It's called The Man Will Never Fly Memorial Society.


            +++ Oh, yoyo! Man, how long I have not seen on the site! Remembered more than once. Your comments were not enough, obviously, in the subject, meaningfully, deeply. I thought everything offline completely (I mean nothing bad) smile ... Glad to see! Our last "stroller" about titanium, allegedly not produced in Russia. I am very glad to see, from the bottom of my heart! drinks
            1. Marine One
              Marine One 13 February 2014 22: 02
              +1
              Quote: Jin
              Oh, yoyo! Man, how long I have not seen on the site! Remembered more than once


              Hi Hi! I do remember )). Glad to meet you! I hope everything goes well in life? I have a lot of work, so all my free time is for my family. Therefore, I go from time to time to scroll through the headlines. I don’t particularly go into the comments - there is something too much garbage, then media lackeys on salaries, then benefits of citizens not treated by psychiatrists request
              1. Jin
                Jin 14 February 2014 21: 15
                0
                Quote: Marine One
                I don’t particularly go into the comments - there is something too much rubbish, then media lackeys on salaries, then benefits of citizens not treated by psychiatrists


                I strongly agree! I myself have already begun to succumb to any left divorce, from the side of such "pros" ... I am furious, I am rude what I grab warnings ... Well, God be with him, I am glad to see a real person, with a real vision of the whole situation drinks . Really, the soul is warmer! All the best, buddy!
                But here
          2. Andriuha077
            Andriuha077 13 February 2014 19: 12
            -1
            Quote: Marine One
            Birds fly, Man


            Drunk flying in a Piper Cub at the Branson Airshow
            1. Marine One
              Marine One 13 February 2014 22: 07
              +3
              It looks like the club was kicked out for combining incompatible principles laughing
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 14 February 2014 07: 52
            0
            Quote: Marine One
            Called The Man Will Never Fly Memorial Society. Founded in 1959. In fact, just a club of pranksters and drunks. And his motto is appropriate - "Birds Fly, Men Drink." They award annual awards for the most dubious achievements in aviation, support the so-called "invisible UFO museum", develop projects for converting aircraft into beer kegs And so Further...

            I am in the know 8).
      3. arane
        arane 13 February 2014 21: 22
        +2
        Beam weapons have a future, especially in space. Yes, maybe it is still far away, this is the future, but for it to become a reality these systems must go through evolution ...
        And we need to develop this direction now
    2. Professor
      Professor 13 February 2014 10: 17
      +5
      Quote: Ali_Babba
      Impressive results, and these are just prototypes. These weapons have a future in the navy.

      Why prototypes? Laser systems for remote clearance are already in service.
      1. spech
        spech 20 February 2014 20: 58
        +1
        and instead of a PCM laser, what will be the result?
  6. Duke
    Duke 13 February 2014 10: 05
    +1
    An interesting comparison with the developments of Israel. For example, "Iron Ray".
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 13 February 2014 11: 11
      0
      Or Thor. Thor is already working on mine clearance tasks
  7. mr_Doom
    mr_Doom 13 February 2014 10: 22
    +7
    interesting comparison with the Imperial development `` Death Star '')
  8. Skiff_spb
    Skiff_spb 13 February 2014 10: 25
    +3
    Well, that’s it, now all the khan. )))
    ... It remains to start in each arms factory for the production of mines / missiles in the galvanic shop and make chrome, shiny, beautiful mines and missiles =) Or with an internal mirror shell coated with a metal layer that would protect during a shot / flight, and in case of contact the laser beam was dissolved by him, exposing the mirror surface reflecting the beam.
    1. Skiff_spb
      Skiff_spb 13 February 2014 10: 31
      +1
      ... And also in missiles to gash the system for determining the direction of radiation, and there and immediately to direct =)
      1. spech
        spech 13 February 2014 12: 02
        +6
        why there are corner reflectors
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 13 February 2014 11: 11
      0
      Quote: Skiff_spb
      .. It remains to start in each arms factory for the production of mines / missiles in the galvanic shop and make chrome, shiny, beautiful mines and missiles =) Or with an internal mirror shell coated with a metal layer that would protect during a shot / flight, and in the event of a laser the beam was dissolved by him, exposing the mirror surface reflecting the beam.


      And especially with modern laser powers this will not help. Mirror gives perfect laser reflection only in films
      1. user1212
        user1212 13 February 2014 13: 36
        +11
        What capacities are considered modern? And why not help? Polished aluminum reflects from 85 to 97% in the infrared spectrum (depending on wavelength). Silver from 97% to 99%. Few?
        1. tchoni
          tchoni 13 February 2014 17: 43
          0
          Guys, the trick here is that when reflected, the momentum transmitted by the photon of the surface doubles. so that ....
          1. user1212
            user1212 13 February 2014 18: 27
            +2
            And detail? And here is the photon momentum? We are here not about the pressure of light
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 17 February 2014 09: 01
        +2
        And he does not have to be perfect. To reflect a large enough part. A massive body does not have time to fatally warm up before approaching the target. But there are also ablative coatings. As on the most thermally loaded parts of spacecraft descent vehicles. Withstand several minutes of heating to several thousand degrees. A shell or mine does not need more.
  9. saag
    saag 13 February 2014 10: 25
    +7
    Duck into space, trash evaporate
  10. Shurale
    Shurale 13 February 2014 11: 06
    +5
    Despite the fact that the land version of the Phalanx short-range ship complex with C-RAM capabilities (interception of unguided missiles, artillery shells and mines) was deployed in the troops, the U.S. Army closed this program


    I did not understand Chota. It seems like they constantly spread the news about the American scoffs in creating powerful lasers for the army, and here again, about the fact that the Americans closed the topic. Chota is lying to the pass.
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    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 14 February 2014 16: 16
      0
      They have this part of the development process.
      Read about the same X-47 UAV
      X-47A first
      Then the X-47B program
      Now the program is X-47C
      Each time success, but the program closes and a new one begins, with new goals and objectives basic to the previous program.
      1. spech
        spech 20 February 2014 20: 53
        +1
        X-47A first
        Then the X-47B program
        Now the program is X-47C

        and what will they saw when the alphabet ends?
  11. sergey261180
    sergey261180 13 February 2014 12: 02
    +2
    Lasers must now be put on BMP and tanks. It is not necessary to burn through the armor, it is enough to burn out the eyes and optics, for this a lot of power is not necessary. By the way, the British did this in the Falkland War with the pilots of the Argentine Air Force - they blinded them, they went up and there they were already hit by missiles.
    1. Andriuha077
      Andriuha077 13 February 2014 13: 37
      +5
      So the Chinese have long posed, contrary to the Convention.
  12. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 13 February 2014 13: 30
    0
    Ten years later, they will experience one of the small wars, and almost everything in the army will have to be redone taking into account laser weapons.
    1. Toporkoff
      Toporkoff 13 February 2014 16: 25
      +1
      Ten years later, they will experience one of the small wars, and almost everything in the army will have to be redone taking into account laser weapons.

      that is, abandon it)) what is the efficiency of using a laser through a smoke screen?
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 13 February 2014 21: 06
        +3
        You are right, through the curtain there is no efficiency. Well, the whole problem has been solved, we put a giant dense smoke screen on the battlefield and successfully attack through it, the enemy runs in fear. Yes, you are a genius, you need to the General Staff, most importantly. I’ll tell you more from nuclear weapons, there are also simple reliable means — you should lie down with your feet to a nuclear explosion and cover the machine with a hollow overcoat, and we are not afraid of any nuclear weapons. If you use chemistry, you just need to hold your breath and close your eyes, you just need to get vaccinations from bacteriological weapons. I don’t understand why no one had guessed before; they’re wise for something.
  13. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 13 February 2014 13: 56
    +16
    “The static demonstration involved a 30 kW HEL laser ...
    ... and destroyed the steel balls with a diameter of 82 mm "
    destroyed steel balls
    destroyed
    laughing
    Having cast aside doubts, scattering, divergence, sphericity and reflection, we set the target close to the emitter.
    1 (one) second, we heat a flat cut with a diameter of 82mm, thickness 1 mm.
    The slice weighs 41 grams.
    462 J / (kg * city.C)
    30 кВт
    Already fifteen hundred heated. Urgent to the real world now.
    Dominate on absorption / reflection by sphere material
    ~ 0,1
    Ray scattering in the atmosphere
    ~ 0,5 (this is close, further - worse)
    Now the layer is heated only at 78 degrees.
    It's time to consider the transfer of heat to the air and the rest of the mass of the ball.
    And the mass of the ball is 2,2 kg. It will not heat up at all. But if with a thermal imager, then of course, heating will be visible.
    Destroy!
    laughing
    1. Andriuha077
      Andriuha077 13 February 2014 14: 46
      +5
      Thanks to all readers of the work. Exterminate!
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 14 February 2014 01: 22
        +1
        Quote: Andriuha077
        Thanks to all readers of the work. Exterminate!

        absolutely agree with you!
        for a very long time I have periodically heard the sound of timpani and festive-victorious reports about the successful use of lazarus "on the battlefield" ...
        here in the 79th year, in particular, both ATGMs were shot down and a helicopter (real! and not foam UAVs)
        with this:



        and even, as we see, a completely mobile prototype ...
        only "something" went wrong ...

        By the way, in the article:
        The installation also demonstrated its ability to destroy a vertical take-off UAV.

        uh ... in the triumphant Rheinmetall report, or rather in the review in Aviation Week & Space Technology, it was specifically about the octocopter and that he was blinded (!), but not destroyed.
        in the same review, the destroyed ... gas canister was entered on the winning score of Mobile HEL Effector Wheel XX.
        in!

        and another comment to the author of the article: one could get away and find visual agitation in the form of photos of tested samples. especially since it is not so difficult.



        Mobile HEL Effector Track V



        Mobile HEL Effector Container L



        Mobile HEL Effector Wheel XX
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  14. Krilion
    Krilion 13 February 2014 15: 32
    +5
    Quote: Metlik
    Energy is not a problem for an atomic cruiser. But the ammunition is unlimited. And a shot costs almost nothing.



    Given that any laser weapon fires only direct fire, the first shot for such a cruiser is likely to be the last. In addition, any fog, splashes and water vapor from the surface of the water will so reduce and scatter the beam power that the only achieved effect of its use may be the ability to light a cigarette and if the distance to the cigarette is no further than a couple of kilometers and at the same time very lucky. The topic of energy saving, cooling and beam focusing, which under ordinary conditions turns into a huge heat spot - is a huge problem in itself.

    So breathe deeper, nothing bad happened. And those unfortunate three airplanes would have been equally efficiently destroyed by an ordinary multi-barrel cannon.


    matveychev-oleg.livejournal.com/895650.html

    I advise you to read and do not prematurely tear the hair on the head.
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 18 February 2014 18: 09
      +1
      Quote: Krilion
      Given that any laser weapon fires only direct fire, the first shot for such a cruiser is likely to be the last.

      The laser is more effective as an anti-aircraft machine, if only because it reaches the target at the speed of light, which means that a maneuvering missile at any distance will not be able to avoid defeat (it may be enough to damage the electronics).
      1. Andriuha077
        Andriuha077 18 February 2014 18: 30
        0
        On the atomic cruiser, and so that all 100 assault rifles are hit for each target at the same time, because they will not have more than 1 seconds.
  15. CAMS
    CAMS 13 February 2014 15: 53
    +3
    For the first time, scientists in the course of a controlled fusion reaction received 1% more energy than was spent on its initiation. This is an important achievement on the way to mastering the technology that will solve the energy problems of mankind. Of course, the ultimate goal is still far: ignition and maintaining a stable reaction that produces a huge amount of energy is still a distant prospect.
    That's when they solve this problem, then we can talk about laser weapons.
    1. Andriuha077
      Andriuha077 13 February 2014 16: 26
      +3
      And when the problem of recoil is solved: a beam with two ends, heats the emitter better than the target.
  16. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 13 February 2014 16: 12
    +11
    I was still in school, when the Americans broadcast that they would soon launch lasers into orbit ...
    And where? laughing
    Afterwards there was talk of lasers on ships, then on airplanes, then on individual emitters for soldiers ... Where is all this? laughing

    Well, and finally, the domestic laser tank 1k17 "Compression"

    1. Andriuha077
      Andriuha077 13 February 2014 16: 29
      +5
      Quote: Landwarrior
      that will soon launch lasers into orbit

      US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates admonished the developers with these words: “I don’t know anyone in the Department of Defense who thinks that this program should or can be quickly deployed. The reality is that you will need a laser 20-30 times more powerful in order to hit launch rockets at the proper distance. To put this system into effect, we need to have 10 – 20 carrier planes at 1,5 billion dollars apiece with the cost of servicing 100 million dollars a year, and I don’t know a single person in uniform who would believe that such a concept may be workable. "
      alternathistory.org.ua/khimera-lazernykh-mirazhei
      warfiles.ru/46223-himera-lazernyh-mirazhey.html
    2. Jin
      Jin 13 February 2014 19: 08
      0
      Quote: Landwarrior
      .Where is that all?


      It's a matter of time ... it's a pity Russia is not very much in the subject about, it's really a pity. And then by the time NATO will run with hand blasters, we will finally "screw" the Picatinny bar to the "Kalash" ... a sore subject from another branch on VO what
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 14 February 2014 12: 20
        +1
        Quote: Jin
        sorry Russia is not very topic about, really sorry.

        It’s just not a pity that once and once we went over this rake - we believed Uncle Reagan and his bluff about SDI, lost billions of budget money for nothing, which was later recognized as dead-end development branches, and the economy was barely breathing ... The scientific and technical school of that time, not a couple of the current, if it were possible, would have been done without fail. But there is no arguing against physics.
        And so - there is the notorious 1k17, yes "Terra-3", which, however, has already been dismantled for parts.
        So stop believing in fairy tales.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 14 February 2014 16: 19
          0
          For your information:
          The main objective of the SDI was to create a scientific and technical reserve for the development of a large-scale missile defense system (ABM) with space-based elements that excludes or limits the possible destruction of ground and sea targets from space.

          Most of the ideas and technologies began to be used in other programs. Railguns, lasers, etc.
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  17. tchoni
    tchoni 13 February 2014 17: 52
    +2
    I will say this. A laser is cool, but only in air defense or aviation (I’m talking about potential opportunities, omitting technical problems (like, progress doesn’t stand still and if it takes a long time ... tormenting, then something will come of it)). But if you look at things sensibly - for now it’s junk, which is unlikely to find any kind of military use in the next 20 to 50 years. And then - yes - it will most likely be cool. The problem is voiced by Voila - 4 laser installations create an impenetrable shield at a distance of 2-5 km from the cruiser from everything that flies, rides, swims, jumps and breathes.
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 13 February 2014 18: 36
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      Quote: tchoni
      Problem and

      they will write off to the archive how combat airships were written off.
      1. Jin
        Jin 13 February 2014 19: 22
        +1
        Quote: shuhartred
        they will write off to the archive how combat airships were written off.


        Not a fact, oh not a fact! Promising energy sources, the question of human survival. We will run out of oil and gas. Whether you want it or not, but: "if you want to live, you will not get it up" (c) I mean that these sources will be invented ... and progress covers all areas. And gunpowder, as a means of accelerating a projectile, will sink into oblivion, like bows and crossbows ... After all, who, at one time, expected the appearance of gunpowder? And how did his appearance change the concept of wars, the type of troops, tactics?
        1. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 13 February 2014 19: 27
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          Quote: Jin
          Promising energy sources, the issue of human survival

          http://warfiles.ru/show-48386-tehnologiya-domashnego-atomnogo-reaktora-poluchaet
          -finansirovanie.html
          Home Nuclear Reactor Technology Gets Funded
          Forbes.com on 04 on January 2014, writes that the US Department of Energy (DOE) included LENR (low energy nuclear reactions) among other promising technologies with 10 funding of millions of dollars from declared last fall.
        2. shuhartred
          shuhartred 14 February 2014 00: 19
          +2
          Quote: Jin
          Not a fact, oh not a fact!

          Wait and see. The combat use of lasers (well, to defeat) is seen only as a personal melee weapon (assuming that there are no problems with energy). Jedi swords if you like. Power is needed over long distances, Mama Do not Cry. Tank with a gigawatt laser. And if it explodes? Half the army of Karachun will come. belay
    2. Jin
      Jin 13 February 2014 19: 15
      +1
      Quote: tchoni
      But if you look at things sensibly - for now it’s junk, which is unlikely to find any kind of military use in the next 20 to 50 years. And then - yes - it will most likely be cool.


      Yes Yes. If you look at what flies, floats, etc. today. , just designed with approximately such a temporary lead (I mean modern weapons and technologies) ... Until now, we are going, in some areas, on the developments of the USSR in the 60-70s of the last century. I would like it to be "cool" in our country in these same 50 years.
  18. Power
    Power 13 February 2014 23: 21
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    Some kind of Jedi from Rusnano or Skolkovo is hiring. Again this crap about lasers.
  19. medvedleopard
    medvedleopard 14 February 2014 00: 38
    +1
    On fighters, "new generation angry "something similar to screw laughing to shoot down enemy missiles fellow !
    and a few grenades for aces! soldier
    1. medvedleopard
      medvedleopard 14 February 2014 00: 57
      0
      Or "EMP" grenades with a thermal sensor for aces and lasers are gone!
  20. smprofi
    smprofi 14 February 2014 02: 03
    +3
    In the scenario that reproduces the attack of three UAVs at once, the system demonstrated the complete sequence of defeat. The Skyguard sensor unit detected and identified the UAV, then the installation captured and destroyed targets after performing coarse and precise tracking.

    Three JT-240 UAV UAVs simulating a massive attack were shot down in quick succession with a 30 kW laser setup

    what can I say ... almost "believe".
    only because the main thing in performing tricks is correct selection tools and knowledge of physics.
    So, except in the Rheinmetall report, there is no mention of the JT-240 UAV anywhere else. Well, that's how "the circumstances were" ...
    but there is information on JT-UAV AV on globalsecurity in the section "JOINT TACTICAL-UAV"
    and the following is written:
    The AV is a graphite-epoxy composite designed

    graphite-epoxy composite, i.e. polymer is used to make the body and wings (planes)
    it burns so well. and the gringos too!