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Caste noble dons. About the main mistake of Soviet human engineering

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Caste noble dons. About the main mistake of Soviet human engineering



In two weeks, the movie “It's Hard to Be a God” will be released in broad distribution based on the story by A. and B. Strugatsky. The colleague already gave a brief description of the picture: it is such a great work that it is impossible to look. But this fact, of course, will not prevent the piece from becoming a hit (as if somebody had read the hits of "WikiLeaks" and "Snowden Documents").

Rather, in the case of "It is difficult to be a god" - not the film, but the primary source book will become a hit. For in the wake of film cinematographic reviews and interviews, they will immediately begin selling pokerbooks with L. Yarmolnik’s face - as an actual media product. So, already the third generation of reading citizens will meet with the enchanting world of noble dons, gray stormtroopers and black monks.

The book this year marks, by the way, 50 years. And on the eve of its next coming, it is worthwhile to speculate about why it is extremely important for us.

And she is extremely important. The story "It is difficult to be a god" is important because it vividly illustrates the main mistake of Soviet human-engineering. The error, the consequences of which we are cleared to this day.

If you're wondering what kind of error is it, let's talk about it.

... Briefly recall the world and the plot of the book. The mighty communist (after all, the book was written in 1964) mankind, “The World of Noon” - hunger, diseases, the caste system, illiteracy, and broke out into deep space. There, in space, it met its twin. Also humanity. Only the much younger are the impoverished, backward, uneducated, ill and suffocating in the unhygienic middle ages. That is - the same as our humanity was shortly before the "World of Noon".

At the moment when the action begins, decades have passed since the opening. Underdeveloped humanity is still suffocating in the unhygienic dark middle ages. Now, however, 250 earthly super spies under cover are working on the planet (they have secret kung fu, secret armor, money synthesizers, and hangover pills). But they are forbidden to whip up local history. They do not share knowledge with the natives. They also do not share ethical teachings with them. They are saving them from persecution and evacuating local intelligentsia to safe places. Both creative and technical. (By the way, why and for what the intelligentsia is persecuted - the authors themselves could not explain. It’s just being persecuted by the townsfolk in gray combat quilted jackets, and that's it.)

Why do positive people save only the intelligentsia? The question is interesting. But the main positive hero, the earthly intelligence officer, through whose eyes we look at this world, gives him a fairly simple answer: the other natives are simply not human for him.

It would seem some kind of garbage. He seems to be from the communist tomorrow, and not from the fascist? Yes, really bullshit. Nevertheless, we read from humanists A. and B. Strugatsky: “Two hundred thousand people! They had something in common with the alien from Earth. Probably the fact that all of them, almost without exception, were not yet people in the modern sense of the word, but blanks, blanks, of which only the bloody centuries of history will carve a true proud and free man. ”

The positive earthling don Rumata is generally very bright and talks a lot about local humanity and about himself in the midst of him. Let's listen: “Protoplasm. Just prowling and breeding protoplasm. " "Sticking your teeth and remember that you are a disguised god." “Is it full, are these people?” “This is hopeless. You can give them everything. You can settle them in the most modern houses and teach them ion procedures, and still in the evenings they will gather in the kitchen, cut cards and laugh at the neighbor who is beaten by the wife. And there will be no better time for them. ” “One thing remains: to save those few who can have time to save. Well, another ten, well, another two dozen ... But the mere thought that thousands of other, albeit less talented, but also honest, truly noble people are fatally doomed, caused icy cold in the chest. ”

Again the question: why are non-intellectuals for Don Rumata not full-fledged people?

Answer: therefore, why they are not for authors.

In the course of the cult story, a deep conversation takes place between an earthly intelligence officer and an aboriginal native. From it we learn the formula for building an ideal society, shared by both: “Make work and knowledge become the only meaning of our life.”

It is here, dear readers, that the central dog is buried. If A. and B. Strugatsky (young Soviet science fiction writers at the dawn of the space age) called the main purpose of life in an ideal society the survival, development and spread of humanity, the logic of the story would be different.

For if the survival, development and spread of humanity is the main meaning, then labor and knowledge are just his tools. It is clear that the more labor and knowledge - the better and further humanity spreads. But those who do not own these tools, no one calls the subhumans and pigs. And if they save - regardless of their abilities and scores in the report card.

And if the tool, that is, “labor and knowledge”, is appointed by the only meaning of life, then we immediately have a ruler for measuring skulls - not very valuable. It is not the same as that of the medieval aristocracy of the kingdom of Arkanar, and not the same as that of the Nazis of the 20th century, but it also quite regularly separates the elite from the cattle, and the noble don from the smelly men. And the main thing - positive, for a minute - the hero of the Strugatsky story uses this line with might and main. Defining, by the way, who will live and who will die - although it whines all the way about his overly humanistic earthly morality, which prohibits him from killing Aboriginal people personally.

... Well, what I am all about. The fact that this story has passed the Soviet censorship does not yet indicate a mistake in Soviet human engineering. No one is perfect, and censors too.

But the fact that millions of intelligent boys read this story, and were separated into quotations, and installed into themselves, says a mistake in Soviet human engineering in full voice.

For this means that those boys perceived themselves as aliens. Aliens from a better world. The highest caste undeservedly immersed in one society with subhumans and cattle. And the Soviet ideological machine stupidly failed to recognize and neutralize this caste arrogance in time. Most likely, because by that time the highest Soviet ideologists themselves had already become a hereditary caste. They have already given their grandchildren to special schools and special schools, began to overstock in import special shops and broke away from the lower arcanar of Soviet monotowns quite strongly.

What those intelligent boys turned into perestroika - many people remember. If they didn’t consider themselves to be abandoned to the Motherland, if they didn’t have a feeling of a different, better world to which they rightfully belong, they would hardly have driven this Motherland to this world with such enthusiastic readiness. But they believed, and the feeling they had. And we were blanks for them.

By the way. Today, the problem illustrated by the Strugatsky story is still highly relevant.

Indeed, now, twenty-five years later, the caste of noble dons is still alive. Partially - flew away to the ideological and climatic homelands, but partly still makes up both classes of the domestic elite: “boyariate” and “kreakliat”. And for both of us we are still strangers, of no value, non-native, vaguely threatening. Hama from the trolley. Gray stormtroopers, whose task - to destroy all their creative impulse.

And they with us did not declare any truce.

PS And by the way. The caste of noble dons still loves to quote the Strugatskys. In particular, the phrase that about us is with you: "Where gray triumphs, black must come to power."

So here. History gave us the opportunity to check this phrase for lice. The bright creative intelligentsia triumphed over the Soviet dullness and did not break through to the highest authority in all the Union republics (it did not break off in Belarus and Kazakhstan, especially). But the peoples of the republics will especially remember four attempts.

* Attempt by the film director Khudonazarov in Tajikistan: the result is ethnic cleansing, civil war and the degradation of the country;

* an attempt by the poet Gamsakhurdia in Georgia: the result is ethnic cleansing, civil war and the disintegration of the country;

* an attempt by the music and literary club of Alexander Mateyevich in Moldova (later known as the Popular Front): the result is a civil war and the disintegration of the country;

* an attempt by a translator and dissident Abulfaz Aliyev (Elchibey) in Azerbaijan: the result is ethnic cleansing, war with Armenia, the disintegration of the country.
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  1. Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 February 2014 15: 30
    +18
    As one emigrant wrote in the 30s:
    "The worst enemy of the Russian people was the Russian intellectual"
    In Medinsky's "Myths about Russia" this moment is described in great detail and competently. I especially liked the two epigraphs to the "fifth myth"
    First:

    "It is usual for Russia to neglect the latrine"
    (A. P. Chekhov "Travel to Sakhalin Island")

    And right away:
    "The pig will find dirt everywhere"
    (Russian folk proverb)
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 12 February 2014 15: 59
      +18
      Indeed, the Author provides very successful examples of the interaction of mediocre "creators" on society with their dominance ...

      The Russian people are not in vain grit.-Rotten INTELLIGENCE))) And it really is.
      But the fact is, it is necessary to develop a mechanism so that rot (thieves) persistent scribblers, obedient directors, bending athletes, do not climb up the society

      So we got a wild power, trying to give the appearance of legitimacy to its existence ... (biblical project, whatever you want)))THERE ARE NO WHOLE PERSONALITIES ....

      Strugat ambiguous writers, "It is difficult to be God" left a depressing impression on me - although I read it at the age of 15, I now remember their story "predatory things" - there they anticipated the present day ....
      But unequivocally, creative People are enthusiastic and little responsible, lovers of experiments, which we are watching and ....
      Therefore, they will end badly, they will squeal on fires and lampposts crucified by the "dark" People ...
      But it is necessary to answer for the Experiments if during the reign they did not see the whole gamut of colors, that answer is ALWAYS IN BROWN TONES ....


      I can say one thing: NEVER STOP LEARNING, DON’T THINK WHAT YOU HAVE INTRODUCED KNOWLEDGE AND KNOW WHAT THE SOCIETY OF PEOPLE WANTS, real People are usually modest, they don’t teach anyone (until they are asked), they write books, but then they’re written removed from the library fund, their posts in social networks cause anger gray su (h) nosti and attacks of the pack)))))

      You understand that this does not apply to the Strugatsky))))
      1. Normal
        Normal 12 February 2014 16: 38
        +11
        Quote: Asgard
        their posts in social networks cause anger of gray su (h) notes and pack attacks)))))

        You understand that this does not apply to the Strugatsky))))


        Yes, we understood, to whom it belongs. wink
        The pack must be counteracted by the STRUCTURE, not by the socio-political, but by the combat formation of comrades-in-arms.
        One - not a warrior against the pack, they will devour.
        Two - there is already someone to cover his back.
        Three - you can do counterattack actions.
        Four - no longer overcome.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 12 February 2014 22: 09
          +6
          Quote: Normal
          One - not a warrior against the pack, they will devour.

          And one warrior in the field - if Russian!
          And if the people unite in one idea, then in general the trouble is to the parasites of which we are presented as the cream of society. Therefore, the Soviet people are divided into groups and diasporas according to national, social and religious grounds. Divide and rule! This slogan is embodied throughout the post-Soviet space. And it is quite understandable why the modern "elite" cannot give birth to at least some kind of national idea, how not puffed up. Those whose essence cannot be divided can not invent and embody what connects!
          ps I recommend the performer to listen:
          http://muzofon.com/search/%D0%94%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%2055
      2. My doctor
        My doctor 12 February 2014 18: 57
        +4
        Quote: Asgard
        I can say one thing: NEVER STOP LEARNING, DON’T THINK WHAT YOU HAVE INTRODUCED KNOWLEDGE AND KNOW WHAT THE SOCIETY OF PEOPLE WANTS, real People are usually modest, they don’t teach anyone (until they are asked), they write books, but then they’re written removed from the library fund, their posts in social networks cause anger gray su (h) nosti and attacks of the pack)))))


        NEVER STOP STUDYING
        somewhere a soft sign is missing winked
        real People are usually modest, do not teach anything to anyone
        lol
        1. Candy wrapper
          Candy wrapper 12 February 2014 19: 14
          +15
          The author of the article brazenly distorted the work of the Strugatsky. The work described purposeful persecution of the very best minds of the Arkanar society, like the holy inquisition that burned scientists at the stake in the Middle Ages (remember Giordano Bruno). Earthlings set themselves the task of contributing to the fastest development of the Arkanarians and for this systematically intervened in its history trying to minimize human casualties and accelerate progress.
          A similar future of humanity and a similar model of its interaction with aliens is described by Ian Banks in his cycle of works "Culture".
          The article is another attempt to defame communism, a rather stupid attempt, I must say.
          1. crbvbyjr
            crbvbyjr 12 February 2014 22: 24
            0
            FOR YOUR DIVISION OF PEOPLE ON THE ELITE AND THIS IS COMMUNISM? LEVATSKY DRAFT HOWEVER IF NOT Trotskyism.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 13 February 2014 14: 44
              +1
              Who talked about the elite? There are simply the most useful for development. They are being saved. After all, you can’t save everyone. Too many of them. But they are not being killed. It is forbidden to progressors.
          2. CHILD
            CHILD 12 February 2014 22: 54
            +6
            I love our science fiction and don’t like our cinema ..... maybe our directors are too smart, maybe the scriptwriters .... but I don’t remember a single successful adaptation of the last very long years, if I first read the book, it’s not possible to watch these films, Neither Dozors nor the Inhabited Island cause joy .... Bushkov was asked on Shantar about such an adaptation of Piranha, he replied that he had nothing to do with the filming, and as far as I understood, his opinion was not particularly interested ... ..a this movie I’m probably going to miss a masterpiece ..... I have a dual feeling in my source too.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 13 February 2014 14: 51
              0
              It's just that our Hollywood fakes are not able to shoot. The series somehow learned, although not all of them, but the feature films - no. If they shoot our movie, like "Brother", for example, it turns out well and mentally. Yes, even the peculiarities of hunting, fishing, etc., albeit stupid comedies, where brains rest, but still sincere, ours. Even the "Heir Brigade" has a Hollywood smell. After revised the original brigade, continued - fu. However, it may be subjective.
          3. Syrdon
            Syrdon 13 February 2014 10: 13
            +2
            it really seems that the author did not read the work. Progressors were actively trying to get the Arkanarians out of obscurantism, gray and black are direct references to the Earthly fascist past. With his persecution of Jews, dissent, banned literature, degenerative art, etc. etc. Further, it was after the Arkanar massacre that the Earthlings practically turned their activities on it as far as I remember.
        2. Asgard
          Asgard 12 February 2014 19: 54
          +1
          As for learning and teaching, I am writing an article about the Russian language (here it was done intentionally)))
          But there are offensive omissions of letters, commas and highlighting disappear when I write from a phone on Android .... he asked my Son - he was a programmer - until they figured it out, he was "wooing" me HTC, some new one came out I like the old "2sim" Phillips, I don't need to recharge a week (although I use it quite intensively .... but with the texts it's a problem)))

          Fantik somehow quickly scored the minuses, I remember him. Sound comments on the USSR, comments were adequate, strange .... Okay, I'll come home and see ...
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          2. siberalt
            siberalt 12 February 2014 21: 48
            +4
            The meaning of Fantik's posts is black and white, because it does not bend according to the mood of commentators. I see nothing wrong with that.
      3. Cherdak
        Cherdak 12 February 2014 20: 33
        +1
        Quote: Asgard
        to the Strugatsky is


        These include:

        * “Hamye! You are illiterate, why do you need a road? ”
        * Five rods without kissing for an unrestrained way of thinking
        * “- Nationality? - Yes!"
        * "This is all blah-arodno, but what about the women? .."


        The work of the Strugatskys is interesting with two evergreen themes. They wrote about Jews ("ludens") and KGBists (KOMKON-2), KGBists and Jews. In their world, supermen endlessly herded the subhumans with a rod of iron. Which was extremely flattering to everyone who wanted to be admitted to the above bold categories. In other words, the ideal person of the Strugatskys is "Yuri Andropov". ( drinks)
        1. vkrav
          vkrav 12 February 2014 20: 53
          +1
          to the right, boot to the left.
          laughing
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            Roman Skomorokhov 13 February 2014 00: 09
            0
            Probably you have a great life with this approach.

            I envy.
        2. Cherdak
          Cherdak 13 February 2014 20: 33
          0
          Quote: Cherdak
          Yuri Andropov



          If anyone else does not understand:

          Andropov's mother, music teacher Evgenia Karlovna Flekenstein, was the daughter of wealthy Jews - owners of the Jewelry store (Moscow, Bolshaya Lubyanka st., 26)

          Here is his official photo:
      4. Walk
        Walk 13 February 2014 14: 02
        +2
        You probably didn’t read the book, or you didn’t understand. The author of the article (I did not see his name) completely misinterpreted the meaning of the story by pulling phrases out of context. Her hero called cattle gray attack aircraft, and not all the people of Arkanar. Moreover, it is repeatedly mentioned there that only scum went to attack aircraft.
      5. saber1357
        saber1357 14 February 2014 00: 59
        0
        Look guys, American colonels are teaching us how to live! They have chaplains in America in the army, and they impose words like "biblical project" on us. You see, you can immediately see where that grows from ... American polkans in dark glasses with a non-Russian login
  2. Gorinich
    Gorinich 12 February 2014 15: 32
    +11
    Unfortunately, I can not put the article plus. A fundamental question has been raised, the conclusions on the current situation are generally correct, but I disagree with many.
    Probably the main thing is:
    "For if the survival, development and spread of mankind is the main meaning, then labor and knowledge are just its tools."
    The author offers only a new line of values ​​instead of the old. But it will lead to the same results that the author condemns.
    1. FID
      FID 12 February 2014 15: 35
      +4
      I'm afraid that he does not understand this ...
      1. dmb
        dmb 12 February 2014 16: 00
        +24
        And here you are in vain. The editor-in-chief of "However" Marakhovsky understands everything perfectly. He knows who the Strugatskys called gray and black. Both those and others were present and are present not only in Nazi Germany or democratic Britain. They were also in the USSR. They came to power in 91 and are successfully in it. Marakhovsky finds another enemy of society, the intelligentsia, blaming it for all mortal sins. True, the criteria by which he enrolls in her ranks are very ambiguous. Judging by the article, a graduate of MGIMO, Minister of Culture Medinsky, as well as those who have a higher legal education, received in one of the leading universities in the country, Putin and Medvedev are not among those. And only those who do not like Marakhovsky refer to it. In principle, one can agree with him. The above characters could even study at Harvard, but they have the psychology of shopkeepers, and therefore are their leaders, and by no means the intelligentsia. Bortko and Alferov, Rasputin and Svetlanov, Akhromeev and Korolev, worker. putting his soul into his work, and a doctor who treats in order to cure, and not rip off money from a patient, this is the intelligentsia.
        1. FID
          FID 12 February 2014 16: 08
          +12
          Quote: dmb
          Bortko and Alferov, Rasputin and Svetlanov, Akhromeev and Korolev, a worker. putting his soul into his work, and the doctor treating to cure, but not to tear off money from the patient, it is intelligentsia.

          Totally agree with you! Moreover, I welcome the fact that you have included in the list of intelligentsia and the worker, the one who creates, figuratively speaking, the world in which the refined intellectual thinks. Intelligence is not a degree of education, but a state of mind, I think so.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 12 February 2014 17: 32
          +8
          The problem is that many intellectuals begin to suffer from megalomania. They begin to think that if they have a higher education, they are good specialists (and often they are), and at the same time have achieved a certain success and prosperity (and honestly), then they are such an ideal humanity, a higher caste. And they are very offended by the fact that they do not run the country, but are forced to remain in their, albeit not bad, but not the first place. At the same time, it is realistic to break into power and try to become president, or at least they will not be mayor, but they will always be unhappy with them. They are annoyed by the very idea of ​​power over them, they want to be it themselves, but they cannot clearly say why, and if they get it, they simply cannot cope.
          That is why Stalin “put under arrest” many designers - it was not tyranny or stupidity.
          You can have a different attitude to Putin, but he was able to become the head of state.
          1. Field
            Field 12 February 2014 18: 02
            +2
            Quote: Dart2027
            You can have a different attitude to Putin, but he was able to become the head of state.


            The question is different, how?
            Or thanks to what political (if appropriate for that time) processes?
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 12 February 2014 20: 58
              +5
              But in another way. Power can be obtained either by inheritance or by conquering.
              In the first case, the person who received this power can be initially kind and conscientious, since he did not need to fight for it. But in order to retain power, he will have to quickly "brutalize" and throw moral principles into the trash.
              In the second case, it can be a person sincerely caring about his country and its people, but at the same time an initially strong, cunning and cruel predator. Otherwise, competitors will devour it at the first successful steps up.

              "One of the current sovereigns, whom I will refrain from naming, only does what he preaches peace and loyalty, in fact, both are the worst enemy, but if he followed what he preaches, he would have long since lost either his power or the state."
              ("Sovereign")
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 12 February 2014 23: 53
                0
                Quote: dmb
                True, the criteria by which he enlisted in its ranks are very ambiguous. Judging by the article, a graduate of MGIMO, the Minister of Culture Medinsky, as well as those having a higher legal education, received at one of the leading universities of the country, Putin and Medvedev are not such.

                Quote: Dart2027
                In the second case, it can be a person sincerely caring about his country and its people, but at the same time an initially strong, cunning and cruel predator. Otherwise, competitors will devour it at the first successful steps up.
                - you argue about some different types of intellectuals. One speaks of the class, the second speaks of the intelligentsia as a state of mind. And here's a third vision of the intelligentsia for you now: "“Our intelligentsia rightly leads their family tree from the Petrine reform. Like the people, the intelligentsia cannot remember it as good. She, having imposed a huge number of precious, but sensually still too distant ideas on the upper layer of society, was the first who almost mechanically split his personality, cut off consciousness from will, taught consciousness to idle gluttony by truth ... The gap between the activity of consciousness and personal sensory-volitional life became a common the norm, moreover, he was recognized as the measure of holiness, the only way to save the soul. This disintegration of the personality turned out to be fatal for the intelligentsia in three respects: internally - he made the intellectual crippled, externally - he tore the intelligentsia from the people, and finally, by the combination of these two reasons, he doomed the intelligentsia to complete powerlessness before its oppressive power. What our intellectual thought did last half century? - I say, of course, about the intelligentsia. - A bunch of revolutionaries walked from house to house and knocked on every door: “Everything to the street! It's a shame to sit at home! ” - and all consciousnesses poured out onto the square, lame, blind, armless: not a single one was left at home. For half a century they hustled in the square, wailing and moving. At home - dirt, poverty, a mess, but the owner is not up to it. It is in public, it saves the people - and yes it is easier and more entertaining than the black work at home. Nobody lived, everyone did (or pretended to do) a public affair. But in general, intelligent life is terrible, the true abomination of desolation: not the slightest discipline, not the slightest consistency even in the external; the day leaves for no one knows what, today it is, but tomorrow, by inspiration, everything is upside down; idleness, sloppiness, homeric sloppiness in personal life, naive dishonesty in work, in public affairs an unbridled tendency to despotism and a complete lack of respect for someone else’s identity, before the government - this is a proud challenge, sometimes complaisance is not a collective one, I'm not talking about it, - but personal.

                Source: http://vikent.ru/enc/4325/

                This was written by an eminent philosopher of Jewish origin. Wrote well, accurately. An impartial portrait of an intellectual. It is not clear why the esteemed SSI honors the intellectual so much. Since then, the Russian intelligentsia has not changed at all. Such disgust, as before the revolution. She does not disdain even an attack on a defenseless young girl just 15 years old for her gold medal in Sochi. I frown at this muck, SSI, I don’t understand how you feel about this scum with reverence? I hope you do not consider yourself an intellectual?
                1. Normal
                  Normal 13 February 2014 01: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: aksakal
                  I frown at this muck, SSI, I don’t understand how you feel about this scum with reverence? I hope you do not consider yourself an intellectual?


                  Herein lies the error, and the conscious substitution, and the lie.
                  If the SSI is not the intelligentsia, but the intelligentsia is Shenderovich, then what morality can we talk about?
                  In my opinion, this substitution is done deliberately with the aim of discrediting the most healthy forces of society and sticking out all sorts of jesters and scum.
                  As soon as the healthy part of the intelligentsia - doctors and teachers, engineers and designers, craftsmen and agronomists, geologists and scientists decide that they have the right to ask the authorities, then right away the authorities will mix them with Mr. N. in the face of jesters-boro-scribes-media people and other pseudo elites and pseudo intelligentsia. In any other time that is calm for the authorities, all this dregs that the government gives us as the intelligentsia (and which itself believes in this) feels great on the content of the same authorities. In contrast, by the way, from the real, genuine intelligentsia, which the authorities generally do not care about.
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 13 February 2014 06: 19
                  0
                  So this is the "state of mind". Of course, if people like Shendarovich have it (the soul) at all.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 February 2014 15: 38
      +12
      Quote: Gorinich
      The author offers only a new line of values ​​instead of the old

      But this phrase seemed right to me, because it is thanks to work and knowledge that we live and develop. hi
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 12 February 2014 16: 04
      +4
      But liberals offer people not to divide. Do not celebrate the best, because it offends the worst. The worst do not scold and God forbid not punish! Because it offends them again!
      It is impossible not to divide people into different people, people are different, this is a fact. And the best ones are instantly lost if they are not celebrated, supported, not equal to them. It is necessary to divide people, people cannot be SEPARATED. And the Strugatskys did just that - they settled those they liked in exile. It doesn't matter whether it is external or internal. The best turner is still a turner. The best of warriors is a warrior. And in "It is difficult to be a god" smart and educated - he is generally not from here and is rejected by those around him, like a harmful microbe.
      Only he, this smart one, thinks that he is "useful". It's just that he brings this benefit to someone unclear, since it causes hatred and contempt in those around him. And he is obsessed with his "benefit" !. And the article absolutely rightfully shows the results of this self-education. Good article.
      1. Walk
        Walk 13 February 2014 14: 19
        0
        Quote: Mikhail3
        And in "It is difficult to be a god" smart and educated - he does not come from here at all and is rejected by those around him, like a harmful microbe.
        Only he, this smart one, thinks that he is "useful". It's just that he brings this benefit to someone unclear, since it causes hatred and contempt in those around him.

        What kind of people around him reject it? Can you read the story before you carry nonsense? He is rejected only by the source of the disease of society, which he is called upon to heal as best he can.
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 12 February 2014 16: 07
      +8
      Quote: Gorinich
      The author offers only a new line of values ​​instead of the old.

      Offering "value lines" to the fig in history.
      And there is no news in this. The voice of the serpent is heard from the Garden of Eden: taste the "values" and "you will be like Gods who know good and evil ..."
      Have a taste. And what?
      And labor and knowledge can be converted for completely different purposes.
      And for the part of the intelligentsia, imagining their exclusivity, it would be nice not to forget the words about yourself V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin), also, by the way, a lawyer and big intellectual. I remember, he explained who is the brain of the nation, and who r .... m.
    5. 1st_user
      1st_user 12 February 2014 19: 03
      +2
      Comment fierce minus! Labor and knowledge is the main thing, this is the meaning of life, and the spread of humanity is a process based on the subconscious and instincts, and it cannot be the meaning of life!
      1. RONIN-HS
        RONIN-HS 12 February 2014 23: 07
        +6
        Well, it's you, my friend, in vain ...! In your opinion, it turns out that for the inhabitants of the special settlements (where "Arbayt maht fry!" Was written above the gate) work and knowledge of the "new order" should be the SENSE OF LIFE. God forbid, of course, but try on life in such a settlement, I think both YOU and the members of the forum DO NOT AGREE to such a meaning of life!
        The search for the SENSE of LIFE is an eternal question. But the campaign is already looming. How do you like this option:
        The main task of ANY social system is to ensure the most favorable functioning mode, while maintaining a positive social assessment in all reference systems.
        I understand that it is perceived with difficulty, I need to think. But there is! It’s clever, you won’t drink it!
        As an example. Case 1. A team of 10 people delivered 3 tons of cargo to where it was used for its intended purpose.
        Case 2. The same thing was done, but by a different team.
        Decoding: 1 case - atomic bombing of Hiroshima, USA, 1945 year.
        The 2 case is the delivery of the polio vaccine to Japan, it seems 1956 is a year from the USSR. Is it necessary to explain in which case there was a POSITIVE social assessment of the performed function of transportation of goods?
        This is how ... wink
        1. Yuri Y.
          Yuri Y. 13 February 2014 00: 54
          +1
          Quote: RONIN-HS
          Decryption: 1st case

          I remember "matter knows itself". The first case is when matter has learned about nuclear processes, in the second, the information environment of this knowledge is preserved. Finding the meaning of life is an eternal question. But in fact, he seems to be taller than a human. And when we talk about a social system, we are talking about a person's perception of himself.
  3. My address
    My address 12 February 2014 15: 34
    +8
    As I see Yarmolnik, I remember how he defended the so-called verbally at the beginning of 90's. steep raspberry blazer who insulted Irina Alferov. And then he justified that he was misunderstood and did not want a scandal. Mummers, damn ... negative

    A man must be a man, even if scary to horror.
  4. avt
    avt 12 February 2014 15: 38
    +6
    good I read this article on "However," the hatred of the "Soviet intelligentsia", now Russian, understands, towards the people who "got it" is very correctly noted. Moscow ", immediately causes an attack of furious hatred. Shenderovich's statement about the Olympics is just a classic of the genre. The Strugatskys generally wrote a kind of manual - an introduction to Freemasonry. They wrote talentedly, with humor. What is" Monday starts on Saturday " ,, progressors ",,, COMCONS" ,,, stalkers & q
    uot; you will clearly see how the idea of ​​"God's chosenness" of certain groups of persons is being introduced. Perhaps most clearly this is reflected in them in "Waves extinguish the wind" with theirs "people" where it is simply written in plain text about the superiority of some superhumans, outwardly indistinguishable from people ...
    1. FID
      FID 12 February 2014 16: 33
      +5
      And "The Land of Crimson Clouds", "The Path to Amalthea", "Trainees"? You somehow snatched out the works ... Here is "A Million Years Until the End of the World", "Doomed City" ... that would be to the point ...
      1. avt
        avt 12 February 2014 17: 00
        +2
        Quote: SSI
        And "The Land of Crimson Clouds", "The Path to Amalthea", "Trainees"?

        Here I probably disagree, here the element of Soviet fiction still prevailed among them. Although already at the end of the trilogy that began with the "Land of Crimson Clouds", when they changed heroes, the authors designated the priority with the speech of the hero, a young astronaut, that he was going to go from cosmonauts to teacher to Earth - everything is decided there. Very interesting monologue. then the acceleration went - "Trainees" ,,, Ugly Swans ". Apotheosis -" City of the Doomed "and already completely clouded," Snail on the slope "
        1. dmb
          dmb 12 February 2014 19: 34
          +2
          Well, and what about the predatory things of the century? What do you disagree with in the monologue about the teacher? Zhilin did not intend to cut the loot. As for the "chosenness" of the people, there is also a good monologue of their representative, which says how this "chosenness" arises, and that as a result the person gets it. Do you have your own vision of the development of mankind, share it, read it with interest. I hope you don’t believe that Abramovich, Rockefeller or Putin is the crown of creation.
          1. avt
            avt 12 February 2014 21: 30
            +2
            Quote: dmb
            But in fact, with what do you disagree in the monologue about the teacher? Zhilin did not intend to cut the loot.

            I agree with everything. Here is only one detail - Zhilin, not mythical, was planning to engage in abstract children in his thoughts.
            Quote: dmb
            As for the "chosenness" of the people, there is also a good monologue of their representative, telling how this "chosenness" arises, and that as a result the person gets it.

            How, how - a special kind of third impulse defined in a certain institution and in a very specific percentage of {10%} of the population. laughing Not for an hour NIICHAVO, the prototype of RUSNANO and Skolkov, probably there are new compasses for measuring skulls, advanced ludens are developing? Why not fantasize! Oh, what am I, what compasses? In the same place, our bright technological future is growing, while in contraceptive form, and there are no compasses - nano-devices according to the definition of the third impulse. Yes, about the properties of "newly converted" people - complete indifference among 90% of new converts and the elect a complete lack of interest in the fate of humanity and in general So, the character of Logvinenko has a secret. Remember? So it’s quite a logical conclusion of the thought from "unwillingness to" process "blanks" in Arkanar and active "processing of blanks" not only in Saraksh to complete contempt for their own society. gave birth, both physically to his destiny. As to society, and to each person. However, good "humanitarians" are intellectuals.
            1. RONIN-HS
              RONIN-HS 12 February 2014 23: 24
              +3
              avt, I agree with you. They (the Strugatsky) thoroughly lost their way in search of Good and Evil, or maybe didn’t want to accept the option of Good FOR ALL, HERE AND IMMEDIATELY ...
              But the devils are talented, this cannot be taken away. We dug so many paths and options, many still graze well on them and eat "greens". smile
              One thing excuses them - BP (big polar fox) was still not obvious at the time when they wrote their things. But they had a foreboding of it!
            2. dmb
              dmb 13 February 2014 09: 46
              +1
              To be honest, I did not understand the meaning of your comment about Zhilin. As for its second part, in my opinion you have mixed together completely different works of meaning. The analogies between NIICHAVO and RosNANO are quite appropriate, for Chubais and Professor Vibegallo are absolutely identical. But Vibegallo is alone, and the authors do not love the authors, and that Rusnano is mainly composed of Chubais, the fault is not of the Strugatskys, but of quite specific "boys" in power, who have not read the Strugatskys, and if they have read, then they are big fans of Vibegala. As for the people, I understand your indignation, how are we so smart, all-knowing, capable of everything and here, bang, not everything, and something is not given to us, and will not be given. The usual human egocentrism inherent in each of us. After all, both you (judging by the comments to other articles) and I, to one degree or another, are proud that we are Russians, we do not love Americans much, we hate Chechen bandits with a religious coloration, but are absolutely indifferent to the problems of the community of St. Yenukentius in Texas. Following your logic, you and I should also be ostracized as people. You can, of course, with time and for the community oppressed by the authorities "cheer" but with time. By the way, Logvinenko also says that if the Earth needs help, they will come with it. Believe him or not ?. While. when the novel was written it was possible to believe, now it is not, because we do not live at noon of the 21st century, but in the real Arkanar itself, with "noble" donors who yesterday considered Don Rab to be an upstart, and now sing his praises.
              1. Syrdon
                Syrdon 13 February 2014 10: 21
                0
                about Arkanar, this is precisely noticed, and not only and probably not even in Russia.
              2. avt
                avt 13 February 2014 11: 28
                0
                Quote: dmb
                After all, both you (judging by the comments on other articles) and I, to one degree or another, are proud that we Russians do not like Americans very much, we hate Chechen bandits with religious coloring, but are absolutely indifferent to the problems of the St. Enukenti community in Texas. Following your logic, you and I need to be ostracized, like people.

                You add the campaign that the Strugatsky did not write, everything is simple and clear, it is enough to trace the course of their thoughts through the entire trilogy of the plot, although it is also interwoven with other texts.
                Quote: dmb
                By the way, Logvinenko also says that if help is sought by the Earth, then they will come with it. Believe it or not?

                This is what I am talking about - you are writing a sequel for the Strugatskys, who have finished writing. And how are you going to believe creatures like you, who do not want to call themselves people and who are generally indifferent to the fate of mankind? So, indifferent, almost disgusted with you, since they did not grow up to its level in terms of genetic indicator, completely not interested in the fate of humanity, and even dumping in an unknown direction without a promise to return and feedback, will he come to the rescue ??? And these are not the mythical "wanderers" of the Strugatskys, they are flesh and blood of the "communard civilization" of the Strugatskys, not aliens.laughing Well, free will - the saved - paradise. And for me, it's better to have such enemies than assistants. Yes, against their background, the wanderers are "just caring guardians. In general, stop reflecting and look for" reasonable, kind, eternal "in their work, everything is clearly arranged in places, talented , affordable and simple. They don't camouflage anything after the "Interns", don't think out for them.
                1. dmb
                  dmb 13 February 2014 12: 32
                  0
                  Ay-yay, but I was counting on the dialogue. You gallantly moved on to labeling without much bothering yourself with their validity. "LOGOVENKO. I'm afraid that you cannot be useful to us. As for
                  us ... You know, there is an old joke. In our circumstances, it sounds
                  pretty cruel, but I'll bring her. "A bear can be taught to ride
                  bicycle, but will the bear benefit and enjoy it? "
                  Forgive me, for God's sake. But you yourself said: our interests are nowhere
                  intersect.
                  (Pause.)
                  Of course, assuming that the Earth and humanity will be threatened
                  any danger, we will come to the rescue without hesitation and with all our strength "- or have you read only the title of the book and the annotation to it by some Marakhovsky? Apparently the latter, for the quotation testifying that Logovenko" is practically disgusted with you "You won't cite the work from the text. The Strugatskys do not really camouflage, but each of the works evaluates in their own way. You appreciated it so, I'm sorry for you.
                  1. avt
                    avt 13 February 2014 13: 18
                    0
                    [quote = dmb] LOGOVENKO. I’m afraid that you cannot be useful to us. [/ quote]
                    [quote = dmb] Forgive me, for God's sake. But you yourself said: our interests are nowhere
                    intersect. [/ quote]
                    And after that, do you think to disinterestedly receive help from the Strugatsky pupils, when interests do not intersect, and you cannot be USEFUL? Is that who says the book? Wanderer ? Alien ? Or a person who was brought out by the imagination of the author of some third impulse, which, by the way, also did not collapse from an oak tree, but is a constituent part of humanity, to which people who disdain to call themselves by the author and people are people, there is nothing to do, according to the hero 90% m of them. Well, here's the rest of it in the face of the director for measuring skulls, that is, identifying the 3 pulse ADMITS the possibility of a threat and sweetened the pill, before dumping, with some mighty help. You will order temples to be built and prayers to be offered to the "people", and, in contrast to the Olympic gods, they do not need them, according to the author.
                    [/ Quote]
                    [quote = dmb] Ayah, but I was counting on a dialogue. You bravely moved on to labeling, not bothering yourself with their validity. [/ quote]
                    Your dialogue is when it must certainly come to the adoption of your point of view? And if against wool - labeling? laughing [quote = dmb] Strugatsky really do not camouflage, [/ quote]
                    Well, at least thanks for that. [Quote = dmb] but each of the work each evaluates in its own way. You rated it like this [/ quote]
                    request Trite, naturally, everyone evaluates his own way, depending on his own vision. [Quote = dmb] I am sorry for you. [/ Quote]
                    In vain, take pity on yourself, since the messiah of them, of the Strugatskys and their apologists - the Ludens, even taken together, cannot be compared with Christ and his New Testament, although they spitefully walked over him in their work. "bitter disappointment awaits those grown up by the Strugatskys, when in reality they see that they are standing at the base of the pyramid, and not on it, and even less directly under the" all-seeing eye "on the pyramid.
                    1. dmb
                      dmb 13 February 2014 20: 17
                      0
                      Dialogue is when a person has his own point of view and justifies it. I justified the text to justify that I was not involved in the appendix for the Strugatsky. You, however, earlier arguing that the Strugatsky did not write this, immediately began to criticize him. So I can only repeat, I'm sorry for you. You do not know how to discuss, seeing in your opponent only the enemy, and therefore you are forced to stop correspondence, because you are simply not interested.
                    2. de_monSher
                      de_monSher 14 February 2014 02: 29
                      0
                      disdain to call - people

                      Conclusion made from scratch. When the text explicitly states what these new creatures are called - Homo Ludens - "The playing man". If, for example, someone calls you Sapiens, can it be said about you that you disdain to be a Homo?

                      And about the New Testament ... hmm, each reading has its place. Fiction, implicated in dreams of the future - has its own shelf, religious mythology based on the fear of death - has it. Do not try to mix non-miscible ...
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 12 February 2014 17: 35
      +1
      Not only Soviet, but also Russian, centuries since the 18th.
  5. starshina78
    starshina78 12 February 2014 15: 46
    +13
    I can say one thing, that half of those who watch the film will leave the audience without understanding anything, but will excitedly say that he watched "It is difficult to be God" and argue without understanding what he is arguing about. All Herman's films, may those who idolize him forgive me, not for the people! They are for a small group of people who consider themselves super experts, the elite of the intelligentsia, who dislike everything national, and Soviet, like a red rag for a bull. I read this story of the Strugatskys. Firstly, it is hard to read and hard to understand, like all works published in the USSR, and having a subtext that implies the impossibility of living in Soviet society, or the complete ridicule of this life. So look to go or not go. Beaumont will go, he will like him, but he will not understand anything, because we now have him stupid and limited, but showing himself to the whole of Russia as a connoisseur of everything and everyone.
    1. FID
      FID 12 February 2014 16: 17
      +4
      "Beaumond" - it looks better in quotes. You can also write the "elite", they still won't understand anything, but there will be a lot of screeching ...
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 12 February 2014 17: 12
        +1
        Quote: SSI
        "Beaumond" - it looks better in quotes. You can also "elite"

        Whatever you call it, it doesn't matter = foam. We all know what comes to the surface and "floats".
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 12 February 2014 17: 09
      +4
      Quote: starshina78
      All the films of Herman, forgive me those who idolize him, not for the people! They are for a small bunch of people ,

      Hello ... what, the movie "Road Checks" also?
      1. starshina78
        starshina78 12 February 2014 18: 53
        +2
        Sorry, forgot about him!
    3. does it
      does it 12 February 2014 19: 07
      +2
      Quote: starshina78
      . All the films of Herman, forgive me those who idolize him, not for the people!
      First you need to watch a movie and then decide for which category it fits.
    4. yur
      yur 12 February 2014 21: 22
      +3
      Maybe they will not agree with me, but the absolute majority of the Strugatskys' work, albeit complex and ambiguous, but great works. But for "Stalker" Tarkovsky and all the film versions "It's hard to be God" I would "authors", with their so-called author's "reading", judged under the article "Vandalism".
    5. Syrdon
      Syrdon 13 February 2014 10: 25
      +1
      disagree TBB is the most easily readable work. Moreover, in adolescence you see only meanings (you read it as an action movie, a lone hero will save the world) and you don’t think much, at a more mature age, interest in Don Reba and the second semantic load already begins to sink, and at the third reading, in even more mature In general, you see everything in a completely different way. At the same time, everything is easy to read, because written in good Russian))
  6. sinukvl
    sinukvl 12 February 2014 15: 51
    +12
    "So. History gave us the opportunity to check this phrase for lice. A bright creative intelligentsia triumphed over soviet dullness and broke through to supreme power not in all union republics (especially it did not break off in Belarus and Kazakhstan). But the peoples of the republics will especially remember four attempts.

    * Attempt by the film director Khudonazarov in Tajikistan: the result is ethnic cleansing, civil war and the degradation of the country;

    * an attempt by the poet Gamsakhurdia in Georgia: the result is ethnic cleansing, civil war and the disintegration of the country;

    * an attempt by the music and literary club of Alexander Mateyevich in Moldova (later known as the Popular Front): the result is a civil war and the disintegration of the country;

    * an attempt by translator and dissident Abulfaz Aliyev (Elchibey) in Azerbaijan: the result is ethnic cleansing, war with Armenia, disintegration of the country. "

    Generally interesting word intelligent, what does it mean? For if a person is comprehensively developed spiritually, then such a person is called an intellectual, if very intelligent - then a genius.

    It seems that an intellectual, to put it in the words of Pushkin, is a man who:

    He had a happy talent
    Without coercion in conversation
    Touching everything lightly,
    With a scientist type of connoisseur

    Keep silence in an important dispute
    And arouse a smile ladies
    The fire of unexpected epigrams.


    None of the current characters resemble?
    Previously, they called themselves intellectuals, until the people began to call them "lousy intellectuals", then they decided to call themselves liberals, but the people quickly figured out who they really were and began to call them liberals.
    1. alone
      alone 12 February 2014 19: 58
      +1



      The unfortunate intellectual !! learned you on our head))
    2. kulpin
      kulpin 12 February 2014 22: 59
      0
      I have already quoted it once, but apparently the topic, as they say, is immortal: "An intellectual is the son of a shoemaker who graduated from university" Vlas Doroshevich
      1. Tanysh
        Tanysh 13 February 2014 10: 19
        0
        I personally know the extreme point of view of a large number of people of Intelligents (precisely with a capital letter) who created, created, didn’t break into power, but their ancestors were illiterate peasants. One of the grandmothers, the mother of a rather large physicist, could only sign, but Magnitsky solved the arithmetic with her children. Her inner intelligence, wisdom (of which she did not suspect) created such authority that her gray-haired elders came to her for advice.
        Intelligence is not only once and for all this privilege received upon receipt of a diploma, but a state of mind of the creator. Give power to a person with a diploma, but who has ceased to create, doubt, seek the correct solution to the problem, and you will get a usurper.
        If someone remembers, then in the party committee they always chose persistent correct ones, but those who have nothing more to do but sit
  7. kaktus
    kaktus 12 February 2014 15: 52
    +4
    Critics, well, write something of your own! At least anti-Strugatsky. type: "It's easy to be a cattle." Do not like ABS - do not read, no one forces. And it looks like the same Shenderovich, who is sausage from the success of others.
    PS. I also recommend Kipling, Heinlein ... but you never know the singers of strong personalities who did not write in Russian.
    PPP. It’s not very ethical to scold those. who can no longer answer. IMHO. yes
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 12 February 2014 17: 27
      +3
      Quote: kaktus
      It’s not very ethical to scold those. who can no longer answer

      Have mercy, A and B are just an excuse to talk about a certain stratum in society that periodically / systematically hates their once-native country and its people — that's the point of the article. Bonner, Solzhenitsyn ... ets, you can put a candle for them personally, but I'd rather spit and cross.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 12 February 2014 20: 06
      +4
      No, it doesn't look like it. But your comment is terribly similar to the intelligentsia. You can't tell straight! It is senseless business - to educate the intellectual. If his little mind could hold something apart from a couple of successful little quizzes, he would not be an intellectual, but an intellectual - an intelligent person. But I will try again ... Do you know why there are fields in books? I’m sure you don’t know. Hint - not so long ago, in many books, fields ... took up half a page! Don't you know anyway? Of course. So, the fields are for notes. Book for conversation with the author. And also for a merciless argument with him. For furious disagreement! That's why books are written - for the seething of the reader's thoughts. What is this disgusting "It is not very ethical to scold those who can no longer answer." ?! If you were not so intelligent, you would understand - the real Author is alive, as long as one of his books is read! And the Brothers are alive, because we do not agree with them. And they will die only when everyone is indifferent. However, all this is in vain. To whom am I explaining ...
      1. Normal
        Normal 12 February 2014 22: 45
        +4
        Quote: Mikhail3
        So, fields are for notes. A book for talking with the author. And also for a merciless argument with him. For violent disagreement!

        At the present - FOR COMMENTS, which, in fact, we are doing here, and collectively (this circumstance has its pros and cons)
        Quote: Mikhail3
        However, all this is in vain. To whom I will explain ...

        But this is in vain. Snobbery is not a sign of mental excellence or a good education.
        For example, I really liked the discussion. I read a lot of interesting things for myself, including with you (well, except for the last two phrases)
    3. bda
      bda 12 February 2014 21: 02
      +3
      Well, you can also say about Joseph Goebbels, in a tide of feelings: "Critics, well, create an equally effective propaganda machine like his! If you don't like his thoughts, don't read, no one forces you. Moreover, this character will answer. can't either. "
      This trick (if you don’t want to - don’t read it) is a serious craftiness: as you know, ideas become a real force when they take over the masses. And then - it's too late to drink Borjomi. Then the blood begins. This is especially typical for adolescence (the main reader of "ABS" in Soviet times) - when all the basic foundations of personality are established, starting from "who I am and what I want in this world" to "what is good and what is bad" ... It is especially scary when the "brain removal" is performed with talent.
      It was not in vain that I mentioned here for comparison the well-known Nazi ideologue. Not only because he, too, "endured the brain with talent", moreover, to millions and millions, but also because he, from his tribunes, exploited the same great sin as the "ABS" respected by some. This is vanity. Allocation of their supporters (followers, readers, followers, etc.) in the category of special people who "have a right over other people." And who, especially in younger years, does not want to feel "special" ?! But, in order to be "special", it is necessary, as you know, to decide with those who are "non-special" ...
      In this sense, it seems that many things sound even more cynical in such an opus as: "Weighed down by evil, or Forty years later." There even a kind of a kind of standard of evil is practically deduced: "paratrooper" (what kind of paratroopers so annoyed with their presence of "ABS" is not very difficult to guess from the contextual support on the war in Afghanistan, etc.)
      And as for strong personalities ... well, I don’t know - many things "ABS" read from his youth several times. There were interesting moments. They were vile. I don't remember strong personalities. They were cool, they were supermenites of the same type as incubator broilers, but strong ones ...
      Yours faithfully,
      Dmitriy
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 13 February 2014 05: 15
        +6
        Have you carefully read "An attempt to escape"? Is Saul Superman?
  8. Neophyte
    Neophyte 12 February 2014 15: 58
    -1
    I agree with the previous comment.
  9. avt
    avt 12 February 2014 16: 09
    +2
    Quote: kaktus
    Critics, well, write something of your own! At least anti-Strugatsky. type: "It's easy to be a cattle."

    Hike, tried on the "heavy armor" of God after reading?
    Quote: kaktus
    Do not like ABS - do not read, no one forces.

    And someone here said that it was bad, uninteresting written ?? Actually, here, like the author of the article, they discuss the meaning of the message laid down by the Strugatsky in their works. No more, but no less. This is still not documentary, but quite an author’s work. If you want to object, please bring your own view of the Strugatsky’s work, well, and for the time being, it turns out that it’s intelligent, in the spirit of not mentioned Shenderovich’s night, that you attribute to others.
    Quote: kaktus
    I also recommend Kipling,

    Also, by the way, the freemason and the son of the freemason and scout, the scout himself and a rather interesting writer.
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  11. Ross
    Ross 12 February 2014 16: 23
    +3
    Quote: Asgard

    I can say one thing: NEVER STOP LEARNING, DON’T THINK WHAT YOU HAVE INTRODUCED KNOWLEDGE AND KNOW WHAT THE SOCIETY OF PEOPLE WANTS, real People are usually modest, they don’t teach anyone (until they are asked), they write books, but then they’re written removed from the library fund, their posts in social networks cause anger gray su (h) nosti and attacks of the pack)))))

    Join though for understanding of this truth must be reached by one’s life experience, fill one’s own cones.
  12. Normal
    Normal 12 February 2014 16: 29
    +2
    Put a plus. Interesting look.
    To my shame I did not read the Strugatskys' story (the work of the Strugatskys did not "go" for me).
    Now I will read it for sure.
    Tonight I'll start.
    1. dmb
      dmb 12 February 2014 19: 14
      +3
      Hello Vladimir, nothing was done. The first time I read it also at night, in the washbasin. In the morning it was necessary to give the book. After that, I reread, like the rest of the Strugatsky’s works, more than once. Judging by your comments, you will be interested
      1. Normal
        Normal 12 February 2014 23: 02
        0
        Greetings, Dmitry.
        Well, why in vain? I expressed my personal attitude to the written based on what this article encourages me to do.
        After all, everyone sees something different, right?
        The fact is that a film based on a story was shot. God knows how much time.
        During this time, a kind of cult formed around the film, many articles and reviews were written. Plus, I somehow read an excerpt from the story and as a result I had a (maybe not true and nonetheless) image of the story.
        This article offers an opinion opposite to my idea (in general, the pro-government company "Dvoyako" does not cause me positive emotions).
        Thanks to the article, I will finally read the story.
        For this and a plus.
        1. bda
          bda 13 February 2014 00: 25
          +2
          Good day to you.
          It seems to me, although I may be mistaken, but despite a lot of "not so much", the Strugatskys have one phenomenon: gradually denouncing the Soviet system of that period, which they hated, they, unwittingly, in some of their things (if you read them now , and not then) are simply swaggering over the current liberal totalitarianism of the Geyropa and the United States, the ruler of the world. One theory of "progressorship" is worth it. Moreover, reading in the original source some speeches of modern, the same American "progressors", one involuntarily arises a feeling of either deja vu, or simple plagiarism from the texts of "ABS".
          Read - maybe something else you will see with a fresh look.

          Yours faithfully,
          Dmitry.
          1. dmb
            dmb 13 February 2014 10: 00
            0
            Sorry, Dmitry, but where did you get the idea that the Strugatskys hated the Soviet system of that period. Following your logic, Ilf and Petrov should have been imprisoned for anti-Soviet propaganda, because they have 100 times more critics than the Strugatskys. Simonov with his trilogy is generally an enemy of the people. Or did the Strugatskys "pour mud" on all our "light and pure"? Read alikante11's comment. In my opinion, he explained everything very clearly.
  13. alicante11
    alicante11 12 February 2014 16: 34
    +9
    And it seems to me that everyone sees what he wants to see. For example, I did not see in the story an allusion to the intelligentsia, which we refer to as "quacks" such as Novodvorskaya, Pozner, Svanidze, etc. Recently I reread the story in order to understand where it is written about Beria, how someone spoke. There are also mallards there, but Rumata does not save them. They sit at the royal table, selling their talent for the opportunity to be at the trough, or they rule in the "school of stormtroopers". He saves several other people - people ahead of their time. Those who are so defenseless before this time that they cannot not only protect themselves, but even adapt. And, by the way, he likes not only "intellectuals". for example - "my dear friend Don Pampa". A typical intellectual? Or Kira, whom Rumata, of course, fell in love with, but first as a person, and then as a woman (although he did not have time as a woman). Is the servant boy also an intellectual?
    Talking about "Harvard boys" who imagined themselves to be gods is also not true. Rumata is fighting for the rise of people out of dullness and backwardness, wants to "cut blanks". But the "chubais", on the contrary, trampled the most advanced people of the planet in the Middle Ages. Is this what the Strugatskys teach? No, yes, and I doubt that the Strugatskys were read. It doesn't bring money or other benefits. Yes, and reading is still not entirely easy, for an amateur. I wouldn't read it for fun.

    No need to look for a black cat in a dark room, especially since she is not there. "Gods" and communists have nothing to do with it. It's just that a person's genes are designed to "grab". And if you do not hold this grabber in your hands, he will break free and show everyone around that there is essentially no difference between the gray stormtrooper and the “noble Don Tomeo”. Even the "advanced" Rumata, after the death of his beloved woman, perfectly shows his medieval insides, throwing away all the husks of civilization. Although, of course, there is already a somewhat different psychological descent, more subtle and dangerous.
    1. avt
      avt 12 February 2014 17: 10
      +1
      Quote: alicante11
      No, yes, and I doubt that the Strugatskys were read. It doesn't bring money or other benefits.

      laughing Do not even hesitate! Gaidar's son-in-law of one of the Strugatsky.
      By the way, we never wondered why, in one fantasy, "God" took the position of non-interference, and not
      Quote: alicante11
      , wants to "cut the blanks".

      And in the other, well, it simply burns out the brains with radiation, which, for the good of the blanks, "is engaged in a whole community of earthly, Communards - progressors." , in a proven way? Well, in the "Beetle in the anthill".
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 12 February 2014 17: 32
        +2
        Do not even hesitate! Gaidar's son-in-law of one of the Strugatsky.


        He doesn’t say anything.

        By the way, we never wondered why, in one fantasy, "God" took the position of non-interference, and not


        I repeat, I never considered the Strugatskys to be entertaining reading materials, so they passed me by. Once on a business trip I got caught in a softcover "Inhabited Island". On "Beria's tip" I read "God". Along the way, to answer your question, it makes sense to read the "bug".
    2. desertfox
      desertfox 12 February 2014 17: 17
      +3
      I agree!
      IMHO a book about how easy it is to take hold of the minds of people who do not draw their conclusions, do not analyze, do not have their own opinions, they were told that the bookish reason for their troubles, they are glad to get rid of them.
      And that those who push forward science, medicine, and education are suffering very much from power fighters. The collapse of the USSR very vividly illustrated this.
  14. Vlad7461
    Vlad7461 12 February 2014 16: 35
    +3
    Zadolbalo listen, read from our intelligentsia, that our people are stupid, lazy and always drunk, that gray does not understand high intellectual mental aerobatics, but rather verbal nos.
    1. Toporkoff
      Toporkoff 12 February 2014 17: 31
      +4
      “- THE INTELLIGENCE is generally impotent! - Andrey declared with bitterness. - Lackey layer. Serves those in power. - A gang of squishies! Fritz snapped. "Slugs and talkers, an eternal source of laxity and disorganization!" Strugatsky "Doomed City"
      1. avt
        avt 12 February 2014 18: 37
        +2
        Quote: Toporkoff
        Gang of Squelters! Fritz snapped. -

        laughing good Of course, Fritz! Did they really think that this would be invested in the monologues of the local "progressor" Izya Katsman or the Mentor !? Of course, Andrei and Fritz, who are sick with xenophobia, will help him to heighten the sound of thoughts, the reception is simple, but it works flawlessly.
        Quote: alicante11
        He doesn’t say anything.

        Or maybe you don’t want to listen?
        Quote: Arbatov
        They did not inculcate some kind of ideology of the superman, they wrote to themselves high. And you can interpret as many as you like (how many people, so many opinions), but whether it is necessary.

        laughing“Well, Andrei,” the Mentor’s voice said with some solemnity. “You have passed the first circle. ..... -First? And why - the first! -Because there are still many of them ahead - said the voice of the Mentor. "-" City of the doomed "Strugatsky. But the campaign is not about you. You stayed in the "Land of Crimson Clouds".
  15. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 12 February 2014 16: 41
    +6
    Long ago I read "It is difficult to be a god" and did not spoil. Rumata's thoughts are the grumbling of a sometimes tired and embittered person, demonstrating his "humanity", in the sense that, although he is a super agent, he is also a person, sometimes hysterics little by little, letting off steam. Misanthropes who imagine themselves as an elite can grab catch phrases from anywhere, even from Holy Scripture (which they do, by the way), but because of this, the texts themselves will not become misanthropic. So the example is unfortunate.
  16. Arbatov
    Arbatov 12 February 2014 17: 13
    +7
    In fact, the author was too clever, having gone into a psychoanalysis of the Strugatsky’s works. Once upon a time there were two brothers to whom God gave imagination and creative abilities, they wrote almost everything easily, talented and interesting. They did not inculcate some kind of ideology of the superman, they wrote to themselves high. And you can interpret as many as you like (how many people, so many opinions), but whether it is necessary.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 13 February 2014 05: 25
      +6
      According to the author of the article, the work of the ABS is to blame for the collapse of the USSR, having brought up "converters"
  17. Freemason
    Freemason 12 February 2014 17: 21
    +1
    IMHO !!!
    Personally, I am looking forward to the release of the picture. Not because Yarmolnik is there, or that at one time it was a cult work. I'm interested in how the director Alexei German, the kingdom of heaven to him, was able to convey the atmosphere that I personally felt in the book of the Strugatskys. Now you can talk a lot about what and how it was in that "Unpretentious Soviet Time". The Strugatskys lived in that era and saw it exactly as they personally perceived it. It is easy to judge the past and compare with the present. The most difficult thing is to understand the past, why it was that way, and how to fix or allow it in the present, while preserving the "bright future" for yourself and your descendants.
    Personally, I will go to the movie. And after watching, I will draw conclusions for myself.
  18. de_monSher
    de_monSher 12 February 2014 17: 22
    +2
    (they have secret kungfu, secret armor, money synthesizers and hangover pills).


    (By the way, why and for what the intelligentsia is being persecuted - the authors themselves could not explain. It's just that it is persecuted by the townsfolk in gray combat padded jackets, and that’s it.)


    Pancake. I apologize, of course, but the author of the article has an obvious syndrome of "modern grandmother on the back." According to the principle - "I have not seen it myself, have not read it - but I can discuss it, for a sweet soul!"

    Firstly, - "confu", this is finally not even a verbal cliche, but sucks. Okay, let's analyze the letter of the message - let the author himself try, with two swords to depict "confa", and I will look with pleasure. By God. And in fact the message - "confu" is Jackie Chan, Jackie Chan and again - Jackie Chan. And somewhere in the background hangs a publicized on an almost empty place - the Shaolin monastery. And, damn it, what will the author say when he truly sees up close, beautifully drawn by Meters, Baron Pampa don Bau, with a sword untwisted above his head - and this baron at the same time looks like a "cargo helicopter idling" ... or Don Rumata, the master of the sword using the "fan protection" ... WHERE is the "confu" with all Jackie Chans put together? Tfu ... damn ...

    Secondly - the author, you finally read THIS Creation of MASTERS by itself? As it is not shown WHY are persecuted "book people (C) Strugatskys" - "creative and technical intelligentsia (C) Author of the article" ??? There it is NOT JUST shown - there it is all protruded, carved out of granite filled with medieval shit, blood and garbage. “You don’t look at the world like we do, you have dreams in your head and not everyday life, you know how to think - so you are superfluous in this world” - THAT is the whole message. And only because of this, in the world "It is difficult to be a god," book people are persecuted. And the second message is also simple - "in a world where dullness prevails, it is imperative that darkness and obscurantism come to power. You are indifferent to what is happening with your neighbor, with your friend, but just with the person on the street - get it ... on you, look how in chopped, tortured people, with their bellies ripped open ... How burnt meat smells, mixed with the smell of garbage cans! " The author, well, you give ... well, damn it, there are no words!

    And the main thing is what parallels, with the modern world ... parallels! Damn ... The world "It's hard to be a god", the shas is almost realized all over the world ... it's simple, the stage of development is a little different, technology is a little more advanced - but in general, everything is one to one. The same dullness that triumphs and prepares a place for darkness ... damn it ...

    Like that...
  19. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 12 February 2014 17: 26
    +1
    And I did not like the works of the Strugatsky. therefore, from childhood, I turned away from fiction. And he read more about nature, war, and about great travelers. B, Bianchi, Kerwood, Dersu Ursala, Southern Cross ... A White Bim Black Ear !!!!!
    1. erg
      erg 12 February 2014 19: 24
      +4
      You know, the Strugatsky’s always went with me too. Loved fiction and love. But the Strugatsky read heavily. I recently understood why. As one Soviet cosmonaut, the author of phonetic works, put it, I don’t remember my name now, the Strugatsky’s fiction is not winged. It has adventures, sharp stories, social problems, but it does not call for itself, it does not cause a desire to accomplish exploits, discoveries, simply live and create a better world, a better future. Many probably after Jules Verne, Belyaev and others, wanted to fly to the moon, explore space, make discoveries on earth. From the Strugatsky this is not. You perceive their works simply as a fairy tale and no more. And another feature of the authors themselves. For them, as for many others, such as, for example, Sergey Pavlov, Ivan Antonovich Efremov helped in his time to break the road. Helped to start typing. After the death of Efremov, they tried to forget him. They did not include works in collections and did not print. While friends of Ivan Antonovich did not decide to appeal to the public for support. Many writers and scientists, astronauts, just ordinary people, fans of talent responded. The Strugatsky were silent, just silent, when they were asked to speak in support of an already dead writer.
      1. avt
        avt 12 February 2014 21: 12
        0
        Quote: erg
        . After the death of Efremov, they tried to forget him. They did not include works in collections and did not print. While friends of Ivan Antonovich did not decide to appeal to the public for support.

        Quote: erg
        The Strugatsky were silent, just silent, when they were asked to speak in support of an already dead writer.

        And Efremov is the opposite of them, and in their own philosophical glade.
      2. yur
        yur 12 February 2014 22: 07
        +3
        Quote: erg
        You know, the Strugatsky’s always went with me too. Loved fiction and love. But
        You know, I’m probably already old, but I’m not able to understand how you can love science fiction and not love the Strugatsky. The Strugatsky is a fantasy in real terms, and all kinds of science fiction (at least in the modern division, fighting science fiction, fantasy, urban fantasy, heroic, mysticism, story, novel, novel). So, I'm sorry, but I don’t understand.
  20. saag
    saag 12 February 2014 17: 42
    +2
    Quote: Farmason
    Personally, I look forward to the release of the picture with patience.

    Fedya Bondarchuk did not take up an hour for her, if so then you can not wait, again spoil :-)
  21. Stinger
    Stinger 12 February 2014 17: 52
    -1
    But in my opinion, you can't say better than Klyuchevsky: “In Russia there are no average talents, simple craftsmen, but there are lonely geniuses and millions of worthless people. Geniuses cannot do anything, because they have no apprentices, and nothing can be done with millions, therefore that they have no masters. The former are useless because there are too few; the latter are helpless because there are too many. "
  22. Bene valete
    Bene valete 12 February 2014 18: 21
    +12
    The author of the article, in my opinion, covertly and veiledly expresses his displeasure that he himself did not get into this very elite "Caste of noble dons".
    About the meaning of the story and the film I will say ... The story is wonderful and correct!
    The fact that the film saved the intelligentsia from dullness is how everyone understands ...
    Whatever society is bent and degraded, it must develop — Knowledge and labor are needed.
    People with Knowledge and Thoughts should be protected from Grayness.
    The leaders of Serosti do not need a personality ... I prevent them from keeping the crowd in check. And if you do not save the Knowers, there will be the Eternal Middle Ages or the Middle Ages!
    A simple example of China and the Hongweibins. They knocked out their intelligentsia, sank almost to the primitive system.
    We realized that to survive ... and from all over the world I write out technology and specialists for huge grandmothers ...

    About the Soviet intelligentsia, too, somehow through w ... pu said!

    With all the minuses of that era, I myself do not praise and share everything, but lying so rudely and people do not need to be fooled either.
    Almost any boy or girl could go to libraries, sports sections of the sea, all kinds of technical circles (he used to go at one time), to technical schools and institutes, albeit not metropolitan, if not full-time (part-time, evening), but it was possible to enter almost EVERYONE WISHING. AND BECOME ELITE. / I'm talking about the 70s and 80s. /
    And now about Gray and Donov ... era of the USSR
    In the same time . a very large part did not want IT (learning to develop, see above ..). They were kept in school until the 5-8th grade (they had no right to expel them before), they poisoned the lives of classmates, because as a rule these are second-year students with interests like vodka, boat and young people, and naturally the future great surgeon with a biology book annoyed and made them laugh , but simply emphasized their nearness - grayness. And as a result of aggression ... angry
    So whom and from whom do you need to protect?)))
    Naturally, in Soviet society, whether we like it or not, there was a separation, and social origin here sometimes has nothing to do with it.
    I’m talking only about ordinary guys, not from nomenclature families.

    But, and the fact that completely different Noble Dons fell into the HIGHEST ELITE of the USSR is a question for the LEADERS, TEACHERS and IDEOLOGISTS of the CPSU.

    The motto “Labor and knowledge” distinguishes us from animals, and survival is development and distribution (at any cost), sorry this is just closer to animals, which is now being planted ....!!)))
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 13 February 2014 05: 40
      0
      You are right, but I have not been able to articulate so clearly. hi
  23. Max_Damage
    Max_Damage 12 February 2014 18: 30
    -6
    Good thing I did not read. How I felt :).
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 12 February 2014 23: 59
      +3
      And do not read. There are classmates, there is contact and so on, which will provide you with proper development.
  24. serge
    serge 12 February 2014 19: 07
    -3
    It is difficult to be God - a book of jerky Soviet Jewish intellectuals about how difficult it is for a Jew in a hostile gray Soviet society, and if Orthodox (= black) come to power, then generally kapets!
    1. Luga
      Luga 12 February 2014 23: 16
      +2
      Quote: serge
      It is difficult to be God - a book of jerky Soviet Jewish intellectuals about how difficult it is for a Jew in a hostile gray Soviet society, and if Orthodox (= black) come to power, then generally kapets!

      Somehow I can’t even believe that the work of the Strugatskys in general, and even "It is difficult to be God" in particular, can be assessed so primitively. negative You can see in it the futile struggle of Man with his own animal instincts, or as the author of the article that we all comment on, the propaganda of the need to divide people into the elite and, you can talk about the fates of intellectuals and creators, their hopeless struggle against ignorance and inertness, talk about the responsibility of the strong before the weak, argue about what is more correct - progression or non-intervention. But to make everything so simple - Jewish intellectuals are shaking from fear of the Orthodox - in my opinion, primitive beyond.
      And "Quiet Don" is a book about how a man with a strange woman lit it, and then it was banged, right? Or should I have mentioned the Jews?
      Fat minus to you. recourse
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 13 February 2014 00: 02
        +2
        Quote: serge
        It is difficult to be God - a book of jerky Soviet Jewish intellectuals about how difficult it is for a Jew in a hostile gray Soviet society, and if Orthodox (= black) come to power, then generally kapets!


        Awesome! As everything is short and clear, it takes envy straight away!
        And the states have an abridged 48-page Bible. And "War and Peace" for two hundred something. Studied in the subway - imbued and exalted.
        Let's go far, however ...
  25. Veteran Vlad.
    Veteran Vlad. 12 February 2014 19: 23
    +2
    Quote: Indeed, now, twenty-five years later, the caste of noble Dons is still alive. In part, it flew away to its ideological and climatic homelands, but in part it still makes up both classes of the domestic elite: the “boyariat” and the “creakliat”. And for both of us, we are still strangers, representing no value, step-native, dimly threatening.
    That is the author of RIGHTS, we are a gray slurry for them, the electorate but not the people, REMEMBER they even spoke about pensions and pensioners not long ago: send (for retirement) for SURVIVAL and allocate money (pensions) for SURVIVAL. Therefore, they do not develop the country's industry and flooded our country with MIGRANTS. They don't give a damn about us
  26. tanit
    tanit 12 February 2014 19: 28
    +2
    And then "Attempt to Escape" by the same Strugatsky brothers - what about? What about Distant Rainbow? Interestingly, many of the book observers (not the film, did not watch this version, but the Soviet-FRGeshny perestroika film adaptation caused nausea at the time) read the early Strugatskys?
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 13 February 2014 00: 05
      +2
      Quote: tanit
      Interestingly, many of the observers of the early Strugatsky books read?


      What for? Everything is written on Wikipedia. He chewed the gum half a page - and in the know.
      You say, read ... You still say - think about what you read ...
  27. dustycat
    dustycat 12 February 2014 20: 24
    +2
    Did the author read the original uncensored text?
    Apparently only a translation from angelic.
    There are clearly defined criteria for those who are being saved - not "intellectuals" are saved, but advanced thinkers.
    What the advanced inhabitants did not please and why they persecute them clearly - their ideas worsen the situation of those who do not use their inventions. Why do not use - the reasons are also indicated and also different.
    So the source must still be read not in the Neva or Smena journal version.
    Well, everything else is just a dull hatred of the "gray" for the "clever" (according to a foreign "intellectual")
  28. siberalt
    siberalt 12 February 2014 22: 16
    +2
    The author clearly expressed his position on the story of the Strugatskys. Whom did the author mean when he wrote that this story was dedicated to boys? I read it at the end of the 60s. Then all the boys read the Strugatskys voraciously. Their books not only could not be found with fire during the day, they were given out in the library only to the reading room. I had to skip lessons. And the whole action was perceived as preparing aliens for a socialist revolution, by accelerating evolution. In general, this did not give the boys anything. Continuous reasoning. We liked "Monday starts on Saturday" better.
    Therefore, "It is difficult to be God" was intended for the "rotten intelligentsia" after the "bulldozer exhibition" in Bitsevsky. The very one on which the new Khrushchev elite relied. Something like this.
  29. catapractic
    catapractic 12 February 2014 22: 28
    +1
    I don’t know about the hit film until I watched, but the book has long been a hit and does not need advertising.
  30. georg737577
    georg737577 12 February 2014 22: 30
    +1
    The article is a minus. The author clearly suffers from an inferiority complex.
    Quote: dustycat




    Well, everything else is just a dull hatred of the "gray" for the "clever" (according to a foreign "intellectual")



    To the very point, dustycat! Plus to you!
  31. s1н7т
    s1н7т 12 February 2014 22: 30
    +4
    The author distorts - on trifles, in details, for those who have not read or did not understand what they are reading. Since childhood, the Strugatskys' heroes are honest plowmen, idealists and clever people. In a word, the information attack on the Union continues. Someday people will understand that there is no alternative to the Soviet Union. Yes, there were mistakes, there were tragedies - where are they not? Shitcrats and "tolerants" have a lot more of them, by the way. It is a pity that the mind gives in to the stomach of many. But one day everything will return to normal, again the heroes will be honest, slightly naive plowmen from both the plow and science.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 13 February 2014 00: 06
      +1
      Quote: c1n7
      It is a pity that the mind passes in front of the stomach in many.


      Most modern, alas.

      Quote: c1n7
      But once everything will return to square one, again the heroes will be honest, slightly naive plowmen from both plow and science.


      God bless your words. Sorry, I will not live.
  32. tomket
    tomket 12 February 2014 22: 44
    +1
    Quote: Fantik
    The author of the article brazenly distorted the work of the Strugatsky. The work described purposeful persecution of the very best minds of the Arkanar society as a holy inquisition that burned scientists at the stake in the Middle Ages (remember Giordano Bruno).

    Bruno was not a scientist, and they deservedly burned him, because he played on the field of the Inquisition, namely, preached occultism, boasted that he could revive the statues, opposed scripture, was shorter than anyone not learned, and at one time he very much discriminated against science in general in the eyes of the public. Actually study the Strugatsky story in more depth, and they would not have had a plot sucked out of their fingers, and we would not have discussed inconsistencies in the storyline ...
    1. Syrdon
      Syrdon 13 February 2014 10: 49
      0
      and Galileo Galilei then who? After all, he, too, was subjected to repression from the side of the Inquisition?
      1. tomket
        tomket 13 February 2014 13: 16
        0
        By the way, Galileo was a friend of the pope once, and preached atomism two times, which was heresy, that is, he again appeared on the field of church activity. The problem is that it is difficult to say with certainty what was in the works of Galileo and that it is difficult to accuse him there, since Napoleon took out the archives and a part was lost, but in support of the theory that Galileo promoted atomism and was pressed for this, the fact that after the beginning of the trial of Galileo, Descartes suspended the preparation of the publication of his book, also devoted to atomism. Briefly, the essence of heresy in atomism: can a mouse, for example, be saved if it eats a crumb from the sacrament, or it still needs to eat the whole of the sacrament, well, in something like that. As for the punishment for Galileo, this is house arrest, which was soon lifted, and the recitation of the prayer "Our Father" well, something like seven times a day, which he did not do, because his daughter, a nun in the monastery, did it for him. In general, everything is, as always, overblown and exaggerated.
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  34. tomket
    tomket 12 February 2014 23: 17
    0
    Quote: c1n7
    Since childhood, the heroes of the Strugatsky are honest plowmen, idealists and clever women. In a word, the information attack on the Union continues.

    In general, no one especially hides that the Strugatskys were anti-Soviet, and they wrote works with a double meaning. The only work that they decided to write without subtext is "City of the Doomed", but here the intelligentsia themselves tried and found so much subtext that the book became the most cult among this kind of anti-Soviet
  35. kulpin
    kulpin 12 February 2014 23: 26
    +2
    Probably it is not worth breaking spears about the "philosophical school" of the Strugatsky Brothers ", because that simply does not exist. There are wonderful STRUGATSKY ARTISTS. And that's enough. An artist, by definition, is not engaged in the REFERENCE of reality. The only thing he (the artist) does is only displays the world and its problems in visual images. It is not the task of the artist to give RECIPES. And it is not even his task to set DIAGNOSES. The artist is nothing more than a scalpel, microscope or X-ray machine. "There is no need to blame a mirror if the face is crooked." Yes! it happens, that the "apparatus" leaps over the Turing bar, but then it ceases to be a writer. Like Stanislav Lem, who rejected fiction. (By the way, Lem showed himself, in contrast to the Strugatskys, who were "reeling" on the Marxist and humanist).
    1. Vladimir73
      Vladimir73 13 February 2014 02: 12
      +2
      good totally agree with you!
      They provide food for thought, allow you to look, as if from the outside, on generally accepted (or only discussed) supposedly new methods of solving social and spiritual problems, although these methods are a long-passed stage with a known result. The Strugatsky forces to think, therefore, sometimes difficult to perceive ...
  36. tomket
    tomket 12 February 2014 23: 30
    0
    Quote: kulpin
    Incidentally, Lem showed himself in contrast to the Strugatskys, who were "reeling" on the national-ideological "rock in their bosom," more mature and a Marxist and a humanist).

    Somewhere I heard that he for the Chechen fighters put in a word in support.
    1. kulpin
      kulpin 13 February 2014 19: 57
      0
      Well ... There is no complete perfection in the world. Apparently, "nothing is POLISH and is not alien to him" ... The truly SCIENTIFIC worldview of his works is worthy of respect, but in the political conjuncture of the "damned" nineties, who of the techies did not deceive? Remember our "highbrow" compatriots at the perestroika sabbats.
  37. tomket
    tomket 12 February 2014 23: 32
    +3
    Although he may have moved to old age, who knows ...
    1. kulpin
      kulpin 13 February 2014 19: 59
      +1
      Alas, yes ... By old age we do not necessarily get smarter.
  38. pensioner
    pensioner 13 February 2014 00: 11
    +2
    Something the author did not read ... Again, in my unenlightened view ...
    Hard to Be God is one of the most humanistic works of the 20th century. And one of the most talented. Without regard to the nationality of the Authors.
  39. corn
    corn 13 February 2014 00: 47
    +4
    Especially for all who hate the intelligentsia I will repeat my comment.

    "Not a single ruling class could do without its own intelligentsia. There is no reason to doubt that the working class of the USSR also cannot do without its own industrial and technical intelligentsia."
    I.V. Stalin.soch in 16 volumes, t.13
    NEW ENVIRONMENT - NEW TASKS OF ECONOMIC CONSTRUCTION
    Speech at the meeting of business executives
    23th of June 1931

    DON'T PORIT BABIES.
    And to broaden your horizons, read in the dictionaries what intelligentsia is. You learn that the officers belong to this community of people, you can find out that the intelligentsia is not a class and why.

    And add:
    When you want to possess something, but can’t, it’s easiest and easiest to imagine the subject of lust for shit.
    In addition to Novodvorskaya there is Dr. Roshal-Intelligent.
    Therefore, you can discuss a specific person, and call the whole intelligentsia dirty words can only a person with low moral and human qualities, in vernacular boor (due to the shortcomings of my education I have no right to stoop to such a state)
    1. Normal
      Normal 13 February 2014 01: 12
      +1
      Quote: corn
      "Not a single ruling class could do without its own intelligentsia. There is no reason to doubt that the working class of the USSR also cannot do without its own industrial and technical intelligentsia."

      Quote: corn
      In addition to Novodvorskaya there is Dr. Roshal-Intelligent.
      Therefore, you can discuss a specific person, and call the whole intelligentsia dirty words can only a person with low moral and human qualities, in common parlance

      good drinks yes
      I join your opinion
    2. Syrdon
      Syrdon 13 February 2014 10: 53
      +2
      the fact is that in Russia, the intelligentsia, with the exception of individuals who are extremely few, in its bulk carries a negative charge to their country. This is purely our know-how in other countries, the intelligentsia is patriotic and is moving its country forward.
  40. philip
    philip 13 February 2014 04: 36
    +2
    Actually, this story is about love. About the feeling that a noble don made cars for killing. THAT, if not love, leads a soldier into battle. Love for your family, for your homeland. The author pulled out of the context of the story the moments convenient for proving his thesis and built an article on them. Following Nicholas II, I consider the word intelligentsia offensive to others. Like the word policeman, the first implies that only the bearer of intelligence has a soul, the second that only he can carry weapons. With regards to dullness, the intelligentsia has it no less than the passengers of the bus. You know it yourself.
    IF GRAY COMES TO AUTHORITY, DOUBT WILL COME AND BLACK.
    Author definitely minus
  41. dzau
    dzau 13 February 2014 05: 04
    0
    But there was no continuation, where don Rumatu was removed and sent to a logging site? So that it is tempered, so to speak, physically and mentally.
    1. Syrdon
      Syrdon 13 February 2014 10: 55
      +2
      ))) maybe some kind of fan fiction. However, there are no camps in the world for half a day, and don Rumat was most likely sent for resocialization)))
  42. demotivator
    demotivator 13 February 2014 07: 13
    +1
    attempt of translator and dissident Abulfaz Aliyev (Elchibey) in Azerbaijan ...

    I happened to end my service in Azerbaijan under the "intellectual Elchibey" - God forbid anyone to experience what an intellectual in power is! G @ clearly the nation, in one word!
  43. demotivator
    demotivator 13 February 2014 07: 17
    +2
    Quote: corn
    Therefore, you can discuss a specific person, and call the whole intelligentsia dirty words can only a person with low moral and human qualities, in vernacular boor (due to the shortcomings of my education I have no right to stoop to such a state)

    This is not about the intelligentsia in general, but about the intelligentsia in power. Is Gabriel Popov an intellectual? Yes, absolutely. But when it is just a "professor" at the department - this is one thing, and when it is the mayor of a huge metropolis, in which it is necessary to work, and not balabolit - this is another. Well, and further down the list: Gaidar (who is Yegor) is an employee of a communist newspaper - no problem, but the head of government is too much. "Every cricket, know your six."
  44. Apache
    Apache 13 February 2014 07: 30
    +1
    Gentlemen, what do you mean by intelligentsia? And, in fact, why do you hate her so much? Does envy caused by inferiority tell you?
    I enjoyed reading the material, your comments were even more fun. So where does this hatred come from? Have you ever communicated with the intelligentsia? Not with a parody, but with a true Russian intelligentsia? I happened at the university - the best and most vivid memories. The most educated people, people from whom to learn for honor! Why many of you call them the misfortune of Russia, I think the misfortune of Russia is the persecution of them.
    But I will not be unfounded. And so, my colleagues at work: Ivan and Lyudmila (changed names).
    Ivan: from the poorest family, a native of God-forsaken village, a rare bogeyman, began his career in the mine, today, at an advanced age, a recognized and respected journalist, a favorite of the whole team and a very smart girl. He can have a drink and send it to his mother - nothing human is alien to him. And besides, a great mentor, author and co-author of many bright books, his articles are the highlight of our newspaper.
    Ludmila: from a wealthy family, what is called a white collar, religious and devout believer, work experience of about thirty years. Cheerful, cheerful and completely dumb woman. She likes to load the brain of colleagues with religious questions, at the same time she has not read the Bible and makes round eyes, they say, but what the hell? I already believe. In one of the articles she wrote "sports demarche", when asked what this means she explained - there is a march, and this is a demarche. (A note about some kind of patriotic start). An hour, the entire editorial staff explained the meaning of this word, even the technical woman participated in verbal battles.
    Here are vivid, of course, incomplete examples.
    To summarize: the glory of Russia was forged not only by emperors and commanders, but also people of intellectual labor. They do not know in the world neither Catherine, nor Alexander the liberator, they know Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Bulgakov ...
    1. washi
      washi 13 February 2014 10: 26
      +3
      Quote: Apache
      Have you ever communicated with the intelligentsia? Not with a parody, but with a true Russian intelligentsia?

      Do not confuse the intelligentsia and intellectuals.
      - Lev Nikolayevich, are you an intellectual?
      - God save me! I have a job. The present intelligentsia is such a spiritual sect. What is characteristic: they don’t know anything, they don’t know anything, but they judge everything and completely disagree with dissent.
      L. Gumilev
    2. philip
      philip 19 February 2014 03: 05
      0
      Dear Apache. Hatred implies a certain attitude. I do not relate to the intelligentsia in any way.
  45. kaktus
    kaktus 13 February 2014 08: 33
    +2
    Everyone chooses for themselves
    A woman, a religion, a road.
    Serve the devil or the prophet -
    Everyone chooses for themselves.


    Everyone chooses by themselves
    A word for love and for prayer.
    A sword for a duel, a sword for a battle
    Everyone chooses by themselves.


    Everyone chooses by themselves.
    Shield and plate, staff and patches,
    The measure of final reckoning
    Everyone chooses by themselves.


    Everyone chooses for themselves.
    I choose too - as I can.
    I have no complaints against anyone.
    Everyone chooses for themselves.

    (Yu. Levitan)
  46. Walk
    Walk 13 February 2014 14: 27
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    Quote: avt
    The Strugatskys generally wrote such a manual - an introduction to Freemasonry. They wrote talentedly, with humor. What is "Monday starts on Saturday", but if you look closely at all these "progressors" ,,, COMCONS ",,, stalkers & q
    uot; you will clearly see how the idea of ​​"God's chosenness" of certain groups of persons is being introduced. Perhaps most clearly this is reflected in them in "Waves extinguish the wind" with theirs "people" where it is simply written in plain text about the superiority of some superhumans, outwardly indistinguishable from people ...

    They have no such place. On the contrary, they have the idea that they need to do everything that they can for those around them, especially if you are stronger and smarter than them.
  47. avt
    avt 13 February 2014 15: 19
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    Quote: Walk
    They have no such place.

    laughing “Well, that’s positively interesting - shaking with laughter, the professor said,“ what is it you have, whatever you grab, nothing! ”MA Bulgakov.
  48. demotivator
    demotivator 13 February 2014 18: 25
    0
    Quote: Apache
    Ivan and Lyudmila (changed names).

    What for?! What would have changed if I had reported the real ones?
    1. CHILD
      CHILD 13 February 2014 19: 00
      +1
      it’s more reliable)))) in general, if applied to the article, then millions of Soviet children were read out by a series about progressors, they wanted to be the same ..... and now all the Cossacks sent by the Motherland do not know, and who became the enemy of the people in general ?? ?))))) and so any work can be perverted, find a secret meaning and a double bottom ... it would be imagination.