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Irina Ermakova: “GMOs can be used as biological weapons”

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Irina Ermakova: “GMOs can be used as biological weapons”- Irina Vladimirovna, but why weapon? After all, for example, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Konstantin Scriabin, representing in Russia the interests of the Monsanto corporation (the largest producer of GM products), says that using transgenic plants and animals for food is harmless to humans and even useful.


- Academician himself did not check how transgenic organisms affect animals. He is a biotechnologist who participates in the creation of such organisms, receiving weighty grants. Of course, he is interested in his grants and work. While numerous studies abroad and in Russia have proven that transgenic organisms lead to oncology, allergies, infertility, and pathologies of internal organs. That is, they act destructively at the system level. In 2012, the award was given to an American scientist who proved: where there was a lot of GMO in food, there was obesity and diabetes. Because there is a breakdown of the human body, metabolic disorders, exacerbated many diseases.

When I conducted research on rats, the following results were obtained: in adult animals, to which we added GM soy, we observed strong liver pathology (cell destruction), underdevelopment of the genitals, and hormonal imbalance. Other researchers have also found that the gastrointestinal tract, pancreas, spleen, kidneys and other organs are also affected.

In Germany, studies have been conducted that show which internal organs can penetrate foreign inserts from GM plants. A so-called fluorescent green label was used. Plasmids (circular DNA of pathogenic bacteria) with the gene of fluorescent green protein were added to animal feed (animals and humans do not have green protein in the body). After a few hours, a glowing green protein was found in the cells of various organs in experimental mice using a fluorescent microscope.

Then fluorescent protein was added to the feed of pregnant females - and it was found in some babies in different organs: in the gastrointestinal tract, genitals, skin, heart, in the brain, etc.

These alien inserts (transgenes) are not destroyed, as previously assumed, but calmly penetrate into the cells of our organs. And then they can provoke a disruption of the cells, the development of a tumor, and so on. This is really very scary.

- It turns out that Mr. Academician is deceiving us, asserting that transgenic proteins are broken down in the gastrointestinal tract to ordinary amino acids and therefore do not enter the bloodstream and are not spread throughout the body?

- Well, let's start with the fact that not all food is digested in the gastrointestinal tract, there are undigested pieces. Therefore, transgenic DNA can easily fall into the bacteria of the intestine, then into the blood and lymph.

Moreover, if you take soy, there are so-called trypsin inhibitors, that is, substances that block the work of the digestive enzyme. Therefore, when we absorb soy transgenic products, nothing is really digested.

- How do these risk factors affect the next generation?

- The use of transgenic products by parents causes great harm to their offspring. In my experiments, more than half of the rats died because they were not viable. And forty percent of the survivors were underdeveloped, that is, much smaller than their peers in size and weight. And all the survivors were fruitless.

In the first three series of experiments, I fed only females with transgenic soybeans, that is, I added a small amount of it to their food. And this led to such terrible results in their offspring. And in one of the last episodes, I added transgenic soybean meal to the feed of both the females and the males — and I no longer had the normal even the first generation: 85 percent of the females did not produce any offspring.

And, of course, if we eat transgenic foods, then it is clear what they will lead to: a surge of diseases, especially cancer, and infertility.

At the end of the last century, German scientists published a scientific paper “GMO and Oncogenesis”. It argued that GMOs can lead to oncology. This was confirmed recently by French studies of the Séralini group. I found the same huge tumors in the descendants of experimental rats, in whose food GM soy was added, but not in all, but only in 5 percent. But in my experiments I fed the females and the born rats for a short time. And if I continued to feed the rats and further, then most likely, many people would have developed tumors.

The tumors in my rats were really huge, they made up the third part of the body. It is these tumors that the Séralini group found in their experimental rats.

- But multinational companies that produce GMOs also conduct research. And they supposedly prove the harmlessness of transgenic organisms?

- How our research differs about those that transnational companies are doing. They observe the test subjects for a short period of time — one to three months. And Séralini looked throughout the life of the animals to which GM maize was added to the food. And he found tumors in their fourth or fifth month. And I found these tumors in the offspring. That is, we did what the companies did not. They really did not check anything - and they launched GMOs in large quantities.

That is why GMO is a weapon. Eating them, people will get sick and die, and the offspring will become fruitless. In fact, this leads to the extinction of the population of a country. Back in 2004, one of the NATO Science for Peace and Security Committees stated that GMOs can be used as biological weapons.

- If these weapons are widely used in Russia, then our people will experience amazing transformations similar to those that are already occurring, for example, in Germany. A huge number of hermaphrodites began to appear there. And some experts associate this with GM foods. Like, with their help, people made like the infamous Dolly the sheep, which was bred by cloning. Only there were mixed the genetic material of sheep, and here - people and ... those creatures whose genes were introduced into plants.

Dolly was very sick and died of old age much earlier than her peers. Petr Petrovich Gariaev, a member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, argues that the manipulation of genes always leads to the following consequences: painful creatures are born that live a little. If they miraculously can conceive from their own kind and give birth, their children will be even less adapted to life. Their race will end on the second or third generation. It seems that the replication of hermaphrodites is one of the methods of reducing the population of the planet, which is now used by "curators of humanity" from the corporation "Monsanto"?


- It seems so. Hermaphrodites are people who have both female and male genitals. They were born always, but in very limited quantities. And now it is almost a mass phenomenon. Why? I think that in fact there is a global experiment on people, and I associate it with genetically modified products.

For example, in the American GM potato, we found the SRY gene, which triggers the development of male genital organs. It is possible that the consumption of such potatoes has led to the fact that girls with male genitals began to be born. This gave rise to the appearance of hermaphrodites. In Germany, they have already achieved the adoption of a law on the presence of the third sex.

- Can a hermaphrodite give birth to children?

- It is very difficult. First you have to decide who he wants to be, a boy or a girl, and have an operation. I know the woman who did it and gave birth to a child. But she has a strong masculinity. She walks in men's trousers, has a very short haircut, is engaged in wrestling, that is, behaves like a man. She is not capable of being a tender mother for her child. This can give rise to mental disorders. And if he still will eat the same American GM-potato ... Of course, all this is very sad and scary.

- Is it true that transgenic plants pollinate the related weeds around the fields - when ordinary crops are planted on them, they are interrogated by weeds and also become transgenic? So, on the planet, natural plants are supplanted by transgenic. For example, there is no natural rape left. And a similar fate threatens all useful plants: will they become harmful or will they become extinct?

- It's true. Only you need to consider that there is pollination in one direction and in the other. That is, ordinary plants can also pollinate transgenic, and their seeds will become ordinary.

- Is there a struggle between them?

- Yes. But why is it scary? If the pollen of a transgenic plant gets to normal, its transgenic seeds will give only one crop, and the second will not be. That is, they will become fruitless and begin to disappear. They will not be able to fight for existence, simply because they are no longer there.

- Wow!

- Moreover. Insects that sit on transgenic plants and feed, they stop breeding and disappear. Now it happens to bees, bumblebees, butterflies. That is, a plant resistant to some pest kills beneficial insects. And they start to fade. You see, the whole horror, then what? For example, there was a job when the ladybirds of God were fed by aphids, which were bred in GM potatoes. At these ladybirds the laying of eggs decreased and the term of life decreased.

- It turns out that not only people are dying of GMOs, but also all living things with the exception of transgenic freaks who disappear in one generation without artificial support. That is, as a result of this global "experiment", the Earth can be completely lifeless?

- I repeat that GMOs are worse than atomic weapons. The bomb in Hiroshima exploded — everyone saw how bad it was and started taking action. And here transgenic cultures were spread all over the planet - and the gradual extinction of all living things began.

Many do not understand what is happening around. For some reason the butterflies have disappeared, for some reason the bees are dying, even cockroaches are becoming rare. And in fact, the entire biosphere of the Earth is being destroyed. And, ultimately, the world can die because the biosphere collapses. And it will collapse because of these transgenic crops.

- Growing them, poured into the fields and poured a huge amount of poisons that kill harmful insects, weeds and all living things around. Only transgenic mutants are tolerated. But the earth itself becomes dead: worms, bacteria and everything that ensures the natural fertility of the soil die in it. Fields turn into wastelands that crawl around the neighborhood. We have to throw them, look for new lands, which after a few years also become lifeless. So GMOs kill lands that have fed people for thousands of years. The former granaries of Russia and Ukraine, which a hundred years ago provided food for half of Europe, turn into deserts like the Mars ones.

- Why did you need these chemicals? The fact is that the concern Monsanto half a century ago was producing chemical poisons that were sprayed over Vietnam during the war in order to destroy the vegetation that hid the partisans. Not only plants but also people got sick and died. And among their descendants were many freaks and barren.

But the war ended, and the chemical concern Monsanto continued to work, modifying its products. Maybe his workers even had the good intention to correct their mistakes - to create plants resistant to chemicals used in the war. But then they began to widely distribute it, sell chemicals and plants resistant to them. And, oddly enough, the farmers very actively supported them.

It seemed to the farmers: how good you are spraying the chemical, all the weeds are dying, and a resistant crop gives a good harvest. But this culture accumulates these toxic substances! Moreover, the land, surrounding plants and people living near the fields are being poisoned. There is oncology, infertility, early mortality.

I was amazed to visit one of these villages. It would seem that people live in nature and should not get sick. But three had tumors cut out, one young woman cannot give birth to the second child, two died “for some unknown reason.” Children began to get sick often. Who was capable, leaving his native place, the townspeople were selling their villas ...

GMOs are a colossal threat to our country. Colossal!

- After such information I really do not want to live ... Therefore, let's talk about the good. There is information that on the earth with a high level of radiation as a result of the Chernobyl disaster, people leading the Orthodox way of life are not ill: they pray, partake, fast, and so on. Therefore, there are many healthy people in the parishes; young people give birth and bring up healthy children. And atheists die from leukemia, heart disease and other ailments caused by radiation, or from hard drinking.

Official science does not know why this is happening. But there is a hypothesis. Physicists told me that high-energy particles kill a huge number of cells in our body (one alpha particle destroys more than a thousand cells), breaks chemical bonds, DNA chains. But wave genetics (they are headed by Peter Garyaev) claim that under the influence of beneficial information, broken bonds can be restored, broken chains of molecules can grow together. All material takes its place, is built correctly on the wave frame that surrounds and permeates our body.

So, studies have shown that of all the informational influences, the most beneficial is Orthodox prayers. They heal not only humans, but also the environment, which is able to memorize and store this beneficial effect for many hours and even days, until other factors change it.

The beneficial physical environment created by prayers can change matter. For example, after water prayer and sprinkling with holy water, it becomes non-radioactive food, which previously radiated so much that it went off the Geiger counter. It is tested in temples and monasteries on radioactive earth.

So, the hypothesis is that the Orthodox way of life will save us from diseases caused by chemical poisons and transgenic organisms. After all, Jesus Christ gave a sign to his disciples: "As soon as a mortal drinks, he will not harm you." How do you feel about this idea?


- I agree with everything you said. But it is impossible to entrust the solution of all problems to God - you have to do something yourself. I once visited a beautiful city, where there are many beautiful temples and monasteries, many shrines. But this city was so dirty that there is nowhere else. And at a meeting with local residents, I said this: “Of course, everything will be as God wishes. But what, He will clean up the papers on the streets for you? ”And two years later she arrived there - the streets are clean. Thank God, people understood that something also depends on them in this world.

Therefore, God - He seems to give us the right direction, but we must fight. People need to stop the spread of GMOs on our planet.

Now we are developing a device by which everyone can determine whether a transgenic organism is or not. Then you can avoid GMO-containing foods. We must protect our children and animals who cannot protect themselves with prayers from transgenic organisms.

- Irina Vladimirovna, you said recently at the conference that scientists who research plant and animal products on the instructions of manufacturing companies and declare that there are no transgenes in them, they simply cannot detect them. After all, there are thousands of transgenes, and only a few of them can detect instruments from these scientists. Therefore, their statements about the absence of transgenes are a frank deception. And how will your device determine all the variety of transgenes?

- According to the GOST accepted by us, only two regulatory genes are required to search. With the help of instruments available in laboratories, a transgene can be detected only if there is a “standard” of this gene. In our laboratories such standards 40-50. If there is no standard, you do not identify GMOs. But transgenes are hundreds of times more! It would seem that everything should be certified, and corporations should indicate the presence of transgenes in their products. But if there is a long war, and our country has entered the “axis of evil” for America, then no one will tell us the truth.

As for our device, it is not based on the identification of certain genes and transgenes, but on a completely different principle. In plants with an altered genome, a completely different physicochemical nature. Here are the physical and chemical properties and will determine our device.

- As I understand it, these reactions are the same in all transgenic plants, and they are completely different from the reactions of ordinary plants. So your device will react to any mutant?

- Exactly.

- And the last question is good. At the conference, you noticed that you pray to God ... What and about whom are these prayers?

- First of all, I always pray for Russia. If everything is in order in the country, then I would like for my whole family to be fine.

- Irina Vladimirovna, let me say a little about my own - when I serve as an altar boy in the church, I feel the healing power of prayers. The reading of psalms, canons, the Apostle itself - loud, clear, cordial - it is so good for my health that I have all my illnesses. I do not go to clinics, I do not lie in hospitals - I am being treated in the temple. And I know many people like me. And you, as a biologist, can confirm the reality of the beneficial effects on the health of people of the congregational prayer in the temple?

- The fact that a beneficial effect occurs is certain. I myself faced this. And I protect myself with prayers.

Before, I was not very churchly, I didn’t believe so much in God to pray regularly and go to the temple. But when I seriously took up the problem of GMOs, sorcerers and psychics began to appear around me who tried to manipulate me. And knowledgeable people said to me: “Urgently run to the church — prayers such and such, do this and that.” I began to do it - and everything seemed to have cleared around me. Since then, I often go to the temple. And I try to keep the Orthodox way of life.

- Perhaps this is your most valuable experience, Irina Vladimirovna. And an example for us, unbelievers. May God grant you health and success.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 11 February 2014 06: 59 New
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    will eat the same american GM potato ...
    To begin with, their collective and state farms do not need to break up
    And the question about GMOs still needs to be studied and studied.
    Once the same potatoes were considered poison and treated with mercury
    The academician himself did not check how transgenic organisms affect animals. He is a biotechnologist, participates in the creation of such organisms, receiving significant grants.
    And this already reminds a squabble in a communal kitchen. Why is she so sure of her innocence?
    Here you need a huge number of experiments to know what is harmful and what is not
    To study and not rush to extremes
    1. Civil
      Civil 11 February 2014 07: 21 New
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      This pure obscurantism, gene modification is the essence of evolution and selection, there are no Michurin on these storytellers!
      1. dark_65
        dark_65 11 February 2014 07: 59 New
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        How about a bread baked from wheat grown with scorpion genes, as scorpions are well tolerated by the absence of moisture.
        And every day, and your children, do not mind?
        1. rereture
          rereture 11 February 2014 08: 32 New
          -13
          I will not refuse such a bread.
          What is your danger?
          1. alex-s
            alex-s 11 February 2014 08: 58 New
            +8
            I will not refuse such a bread.
            What is your danger?

            Years through ... eleven, hopefully tell!
            1. AVV
              AVV 11 February 2014 11: 23 New
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              Quote: alex-s
              I will not refuse such a bread.
              What is your danger?

              Years through ... eleven, hopefully tell!

              Fucking America, always and over all experimenting with the Japanese, dropping bombs on Hirasima and Nagasaki, spraying people with chemicals in Vietnam, spraying unenriched Uranus in Serbia, and many such examples around the world, and now they are poisoning everyone with transgenes promoting them around the world, through the WTO !! ! Look at the Americans and Mexicans who live near America. Their weight goes off scale from the constant use of transgenes in food, and even the fagots there have increased significantly !!! We will save the world from this infection or Russia with its population does not shine anything !!!
              1. rereture
                rereture 11 February 2014 17: 07 New
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                Look at the Americans and Mexicans who live near America. Their weight goes off scale from the constant use of transgenes in food.


                Mostly this is in people over 30, as they lead a sedentary lifestyle.


                and homosexuals there increased significantly


                This is a fashion. Just like the rights of fat people. For example, to call a person fat in the USA is an insult. But we are ashamed to be fat.
            2. Zordan
              Zordan 11 February 2014 11: 49 New
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              Nothing will happen in 20 years!
              He graduated from TSHA in 2003 and already then everyone said that there is no pure soybean not transmogified anywhere in the world, including in the Russian Federation!
              In Soviet times, soybeans were imported from the USA and Europe in the late 80s, and even then they began recombining genomes.
              Moreover, soybean consumption in the United States is much larger and longer than in the Russian Federation, and what did they die out?
              And then read a biology course for 8th grade or more serious literature and understand already that any food is broken down into compound amino acids by the action of gastric juice.
              And GMOs are just a way to feed 6 mlr of hungry mouths!
              Where the present-day agrochemistry is a great danger, here is the problem as it is! It is no secret that new drugs are absorbed by plants and stored in them for a long time until the time of harvesting (this is one of the promising options for combating pests and diseases) and the remnants of AI (active substances) are not simply dangerous but frankly poisonous! They can accumulate in the adrenal glands and not be excreted from the body by the liver, and the doses of drugs are extremely small in the final product, but the destructive effect will be extremely strong!
              1. a52333
                a52333 11 February 2014 12: 42 New
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                Quote: Zordan
                And GMOs are just a way to feed 6 mlr of hungry mouths!

                Forget about 6 Jr. Let them eat what they want. We have enough arable land to feed ourselves without GMOs.
              2. lelikas
                lelikas 11 February 2014 15: 06 New
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                Quote: Zordan
                Nothing will happen in 20 years!

                Perhaps, but the same Monsatto, they produce seeds, accompanying fertilizers with a growth accelerator, herbicides, and the seeds need to be bought every time - because you can’t leave part of the previous crop as a seed fund, ordinary fertilizers do not work, and after their production , ordinary is not very growing on these lands. So, slowly, in 20-30 years, they can completely conquer food production in the country - no cold or hot war will be needed.
                Quote: Zordan
                And GMOs are just a way to feed 6 mlr of hungry mouths!
                it was in a hungry Kenya that a ban on GMOs was introduced - if they really had enough mind for it .....
              3. dr.star75
                dr.star75 11 February 2014 16: 16 New
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                TSHA is certainly better than nothing. 20 years for a person is a short time. The study described in the article was conducted on 3 generations of mice. Compared to humans, it turns out about 75 years (3 generations of 25 years). This is the whole point. Supporters of GMOs tracked the result of the action in a short period of time in which the result has not yet manifested. For example, I drank 1 liter of vodka and after 1 min was tested on a breathalyzer until the alcohol was absorbed. But after 10 minutes a person can die. Gastric juice is mainly composed of hydrochloric acid. Digestive enzymes are produced in the pancreas, and enter the digestive tract below. You can write about complete cleavage to amino acids to all parents who have been struggling with diathesis in babies for months.
              4. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 11 February 2014 21: 33 New
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                Quote: Zordan
                And then read a biology course for the 8th grade or more serious literature and understand already that any food is broken down to compound amino acids by the action of gastric juice.

                The author tells you: "not all food is digested in the gastrointestinal tract, undigested pieces remain. Therefore, transgenic DNA can easily enter intestinal bacteria, then into the blood and lymph." Read carefully.
                Go to the toilet, preferably the toilet, and see the product obtained under the influence of gastric juice in the final (fecal) stage. According to your theory, "it" should be liquid. The digestibility of boiled egg white is not more than 91%, but it is the most digestible. Well, if you have diarrhea ... then my condolences.
              5. saber1357
                saber1357 12 February 2014 03: 29 New
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                That he would have read, then wrote. If I read an article, in the same place everything is said in Russian about the CLEAR relationship between GMOs and MODERN AGROCHEMISTRY. So I congratulate you on a bi-grade in biology and with a stake in logic!
            3. makarov
              makarov 11 February 2014 14: 47 New
              +5
              I will not refuse such a bread.
              What is your danger?

              Years through ... eleven, hopefully tell

              when sherry grows on the forehead .... laughing
          2. dark_65
            dark_65 11 February 2014 09: 49 New
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            Yes, it’s very simple, we recall biology, the basis is chitin, it is not digested, but genes can react ... then continue? A child with a skin sheath such. Or do you think fiction?
            1. alextar77
              alextar77 11 February 2014 12: 22 New
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              Let's remember biology. DNA is a very unstable molecule that is completely destroyed in the stomach. Aren't you afraid to eat shrimp? Not covered with a shell? We have been eating GMOs for many centuries - from the point of view of genetics, there are no fundamental differences between Michurinsk breeding and modern genetic engineering methods. What this lady writes has nothing to do with science. Pure self-promotion, obviously paid for by the producers of "eco-products"
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 11 February 2014 16: 32 New
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                I suggest you remember biology. On the other hand, the DNA molecule is more resistant to damage. In nature, there is only one "GMO" animal - a mule (horse + donkey). Only he is sterile (like LGBT people lol )
          3. denson06
            denson06 11 February 2014 10: 16 New
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            I personally saw a program where experimental rats with tumors were shown .. I completely agree with Irina Vladimirovna ...
          4. abdrah
            abdrah 11 February 2014 13: 51 New
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            rereture - "I will not refuse such bread.
            What do you think is the danger? "

            -Here, a scorpion tail will grow out of oppa, and with a spike on the end, then you will find out what the danger is!
            1. rereture
              rereture 11 February 2014 17: 10 New
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              I wonder how?
          5. Dromac
            Dromac 11 February 2014 15: 25 New
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            The danger lies in the pathologies of future generations. Infertility and ugliness. This is actually an artificial destruction of the human race
          6. dr.star75
            dr.star75 11 February 2014 15: 58 New
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            Most likely we are already eating such bread. If you have children, you may only die a little earlier .. But if there are no children yet, then there will be problems (children will not be born, and there will be no more grandchildren)
        2. Civil
          Civil 11 February 2014 10: 30 New
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          Ignorant how you can talk about something you don’t understand, everything that is grown now is GMO, all these varieties were bred in the 60s by chance mutation as a result of special exposure to radiation or strong chemicals. Previously relied on the case, now all this is controlled.
          Follow the path of Lysenko, plant hardened wheat in the tundra.
          1. avdkrd
            avdkrd 11 February 2014 11: 09 New
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            Quote: Civil
            everything that is grown now is GMO

            false - selection and GMO are two opposite approaches. In the case of selection, "random mutation" occurs essentially in a natural way, only getting acceleration. When breeding, stable varieties are obtained - full-fledged varieties that do not have an unnatural genome, the genome changes within the limits allowed by nature and the process only accelerates. GMO may not be a dead end, but there are several factors that currently make it a weapon of mass destruction:
            1. All independent studies show that the use of GMOs leads to serious disruptions in the functioning of internal organs, including their genetic disruption.
            2. GMOs themselves, while not being viable (die out over a generation), have a pathogenic effect on normal unmodified plants — they also die off pollinating from GMOs, which in itself is more than dangerous.
            3. Elementary greed is behind the spread of GMOs. Companies like Monsanto are lobbying for GMOs, and they are not interested in the real impact of GMOs on people, they are fighting for super profits. GMOs hit the food market 20 years ago and their promotion was always based on the conclusion of such "experts" as Scriabin, although there was no real research at that time and the main criterion was profit.
        3. erg
          erg 11 February 2014 10: 39 New
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          What will happen? Let it be known to you that foreign genes cannot physically be transmitted through the digestive tract. They are digested. A foreign gene can be introduced only directly into the cell nucleus. And the work of this scientist, from the article, has long been criticized. It was noted that when publishing the data obtained, she did not describe all the conditions of the experiments, she kept silent about some of the information. In general, all the hype surrounding GMOs has purely commercial interests. The technologies for creating GMOs are encircled by few large corporations. Here are the other agricultural producers afraid to lose their income. And in general, we have been eating GMOs for a long time. Lemons, apples, carrots and many others, these are just genetically modified products, only a long time ago, several centuries, well, using a different technology. The natural color of the carrot is purple, and the wild lemon has disappeared altogether and there are no genes left in nature. The roses that we buy to our loved ones are also GMOs. In the wild, these did not exist. The man deduced.
          1. Aleksandr65
            Aleksandr65 11 February 2014 14: 25 New
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            GMO plants die out over a generation. How do we eat them for centuries?
            1. Civil
              Civil 11 February 2014 16: 58 New
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              Quote: Aleksandr65
              GMO plants die out over a generation. How do we eat them for centuries?

              You do not understand anything in agriculture, you do not know what it means to maintain variety! How and how many times the seed material is changed in the industrial production of grain! 2.
          2. dr.star75
            dr.star75 11 February 2014 16: 25 New
            +1
            Judging by your logic, humanity is the result of GMOs from amoeba?
            1. Civil
              Civil 11 February 2014 16: 56 New
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              Quote: dr.star75
              Judging by your logic, humanity is the result of GMOs from amoeba?

              This is not logic, this is genetics!
            2. erg
              erg 11 February 2014 18: 24 New
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              Actually, yes. Gene modification is not only the introduction of foreign genes. This is generally a change in the genotype in one way or another. Breeding also leads to changes in the genotype. Therefore, the evolution from the lower to the higher forms can also be called a gene modification.
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 11 February 2014 08: 51 New
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        Selection cannot, by mating, introduce the ladybug gene into the potato gene,
        selection selects from the species (s) of one organism possessing any desired trait.
        And genetics can put the gene of one ORGANISM into the gene of another - if you transplant the dolphin gene, will you change? This is a mutation, but this is not normal.
        Although, depending on what course.
        1. rereture
          rereture 11 February 2014 09: 38 New
          +2
          There is no ladybug gene, there is no potato gene. There are simply genes that are responsible for a particular trait, for example, eye color, the gene that is responsible for this trait is lonely even with you, even with a sub-fence dog, or the gene that is responsible for horn cover, even if you have a cow.
          1. Kazakh
            Kazakh 11 February 2014 10: 41 New
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            the gene responsible for this trait is lonely even with you, even with a sub-fence dog, or the gene responsible for horn cover, even if you have even a cow.
            Well, this is understandable, but what if it turns out that I have developed 100 genes responsible for the horn cover, will I not become a tortoise after that?
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 11 February 2014 10: 56 New
              +6
              Genetic engineering, like any knowledge, can be beneficial or harmful! It is terrible that now this knowledge is in the hands of traders, which means it does not work on human health, but on maximizing profit! Therefore, for us this poses a terrible threat !!! And our government allowed this muck to our Motherland (I mean Monsanto). Mosanto and the Russian government just want to earn money with us, and if all the remnants of agriculture subsist on GMOs, then for them it is even better! More stable income!
              And the article is false, the socially important topic is taken as the title, and in the middle of the article is advertising material about faith in God, propaganda of religion in fact! Which is the real purpose of this article. Rough manipulation, for the demented.

              "He who has eyes - let him see!" Classic!
            2. erg
              erg 11 February 2014 18: 41 New
              +1
              No, you will not. Most Europeans have Neanderthal genes, but nonetheless they belong to homo sapiens. In addition, for the appearance of a specific trait, a certain combination of genes is needed, and not just their presence.
          2. dr.star75
            dr.star75 11 February 2014 16: 39 New
            +1
            Ever wondered why "just the genes responsible for a certain trait" are not connected to each other in a "cat-dog"?
            1. rereture
              rereture 11 February 2014 17: 48 New
              -1
              Read at least a biology textbook for 10 wink
        2. erg
          erg 11 February 2014 10: 52 New
          +3
          But selection also changes genes. And spawns mutants. Mutations are called only those changes that are inherited. If you transplant a gene from one organism into another, changes are not necessary. An illustrative example. A person can get a gene from their parents that determines, for example, red hair color. But during the period of fetal development, the impact of some external factor can lead to a change in hair color and the person will be, say, a brunette. In this case, the gene for the "red color" will remain. Some signs of an organism are formed not under the influence of genes, but under the influence of other factors. Therefore, it is physically impossible to create a clone, for example, yourself. It will be an absolutely independent organism, with only some features resembling a prototype. This is how all companies trying to clone pets got burned.
      3. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 11 February 2014 09: 22 New
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        Speaking of Michurin: during the Second World War, my mother was in evacuation in Michurinsk and this is what she told (she heard from local residents about Michurin affairs). The owner of the apartment where my mother lived, when asked about Michurin, answered very briefly and not very censorship that he I just "missed" all the varieties of our apples and pears. But before Michurin apples and pears grown in the gardens of the Kursk province, at the end of the 19th century, at the annual Paris exhibitions, received high awards. So be careful with references to Michurins and all sorts of bald dogs .GMO is a weapon with which the "shadow government" really began to create a "golden billion", and we are garbage for them that they want to remove from the face of the earth. And it is very bitter to hear how our rulers (and not just corrupt academics) propagandize and contribute to the introduction of GMOs in our fields. Our land does not belong to us, but only leased. Everything belongs to the descendants (who, according to the plans of the "partners" and their agents, may simply not exist)! Think about whose defense you are speaking! these are in danger!
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 11 February 2014 13: 09 New
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          Quote: kartalovkolya
          So be careful with references to the Michurin and all sorts of lysenko there.

          Before speaking about Lysenko, you at least took an interest in his activities. Someone else’s clever thoughts would be revered, since there are few of their own. Realize that, unlike Lysenko, you do not develop new varieties of wheat, but exclusively consume them and process them into a little valuable waste!
          "Yes, Lysenko was an outstanding breeder and agronomist, yes, he himself bred the Odesskaya 3 winter wheat variety, frost-resistant and drought-resistant, exceeding the standard varieties by 3-4 centners per hectare in yield. Yes, he bred a high-yielding Odessa 9 spring barley variety; yes , he bred the Odesskiy 1 cotton variety, which in those years became the main cotton growing variety in the new areas of its cultivation.And his students bred hundreds of other varieties that were used to sow the fields of the Soviet Union, and not only Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia imported millions tons of wheat from abroad, were imported until they received from the USSR for breeding wheat seeds of Mironovsky varieties. After the introduction of Soviet wheat into circulation, these countries became exporters of wheat. The author of the Mironovsky varieties, academician Remeslo, always emphasized that he had developed these varieties according to the method of TD Lysenko. "
          http://www.ymuhin.ru/node/600/kritiki-lysenko-i-genetika
      4. leks
        leks 11 February 2014 10: 34 New
        +4
        "It's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fail"
        One of the main conditions from the United States on Russia's entry into the WTO was our refusal of warning labels that this product contains GMOs.
        In any case, we already consume GMO-containing foods in small amounts, but they are especially consumed by the city dweller almost constantly, the villagers practically do not know what it is, they have 90% natural food.
        Soya is imported into Russia in millions of tons, the same Monsato has huge contracts around the world.
        In the USA, this company is exempted from any prosecution related to GMOs for 50 years.
        Monsato also conducted research for about two years of everything, which is a short time, but supposedly there is evidence that part of these studies of Monsato was classified and then destroyed.
      5. Boris55
        Boris55 11 February 2014 10: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        gene modification is the essence of evolution and selection,

        You really decide how the thread - this is evolution or selection.

        PS
        Evolution in the Encyclopedic Dictionary:
        Evolution - (in biology) - the irreversible historical development of wildlife. It is determined by variability, heredity and natural selection of organisms. It is accompanied by their adaptation to the conditions of existence, the formation and extinction of species, the transformation of biogeocenoses and the biosphere as a whole.
        Selection in the Encyclopedic Dictionary:
        Selection - (from lat. Selectio - choice - selection), 1) science, developing methods for creating varieties and hybrids of agricultural plants and animals with the characteristics that are necessary for a person. 2) An agricultural industry engaged in the cultivation of varieties and hybrids of crops, animal breeds.
        1. Civil
          Civil 11 February 2014 17: 00 New
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          You gave examples, it’s a pity that you lack education even to understand what you copied, gene change is a mechanism of evolution and selection!
      6. avt
        avt 11 February 2014 11: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        This pure obscurantism, gene modification is the essence of evolution and selection, there are no Michurin on these storytellers!

        You are contradicting yourself. If it is possible to carry out selection and surgical intervention at the gene level in order to obtain positive results to obtain the desired qualities of the product. So where did you get the idea that the same thing cannot be done with a negative result ??? Who will interfere with that abstract "obscurantism"? Ermakova quite correctly and clearly points to the very real possibility of waging war by unconventional means, which have already passed the stage of theoretical calculations and laboratory studies to the level of "field tests" and are no longer in Africa. Is there such a super new technique in warfare that has not been used before? A classic example is the Indians in North America, who, by and large, were exterminated by hunger, when they shot their main source of food - bison, rampant alcoholism, since aboriginal meat-eaters are banally incapable at the GENETIC level to break down alcohol and diseases spread through the household items sold to them. So by and large, nothing new, only a more sophisticated kind of potential weapon can be used.
        1. Civil
          Civil 11 February 2014 17: 03 New
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          You contradict yourself. If it is possible to carry out selection and surgical intervention at the genetic level in order to obtain positive results to obtain the desired product qualities

          I speak strictly against those who did not understand the school course in biology and botany. War in this way is a way of biological warfare, which is also not invented now, an example of watering the jungle with chemicals in Vietnam. And the aunt is one of those people who first sang about "ozone holes" then about "warming", now about "GMOs".
      7. arane
        arane 11 February 2014 15: 09 New
        +1
        Michurin was engaged in breeding, which has nothing to do with GMOs. Even remotely, nothing in common. We are practically forced to consume GMO products. In many countries, GMOs are prohibited. Obscurantism or not, not for me to judge, I'm not a biologist. But at least a person should have a choice. Genetic engineering as a science is necessary, but so far only at the level of research and experimentation. And so something resembles a monkey with a grenade ....... Yes, and not the fact that manufacturers of GMOs are not aware of the dangers of these products, rather the opposite. When at stake is a lot of money, who cares about the health of the people ....
      8. dr.star75
        dr.star75 11 February 2014 15: 53 New
        +1
        Obscurantism and illiteracy are different things. If in two words, I explain: during selection, individuals of the same species are crossed, a set of genes from "nature". GMO objects are formed by introducing genes of one species (for example, a cockroach) into the genome of another (potatoes). There is no such thing in nature. Michurin did not do this if anything.
        1. Civil
          Civil 11 February 2014 17: 04 New
          -1
          Quote: dr.star75
          Obscurantism and illiteracy are different things. If in two words, I explain: during selection, individuals of the same species are crossed, a set of genes from "nature". GMO objects are formed by introducing genes of one species (for example, a cockroach) into the genome of another (potatoes). There is no such thing in nature. Michurin did not do this if anything.

          Once again I remind you, so as not to disgrace, read how all modern varieties were obtained in the middle of the 20th century!
      9. saber1357
        saber1357 12 February 2014 03: 26 New
        0
        Here, comrades, an example of the so-called lies. The evolutionist obscurantist dignifies everyone else with obscurantism! Hitler, have you ever read, a civil breeder-eugenics?
    2. Sunjar
      Sunjar 11 February 2014 07: 44 New
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      I put you a minus and here's why:
      -As for your collective farms ... In your post, it sounds as if Irina Ermakova is guilty of the collapse of the collective farm.
      - The issue of GMOs really needs to be studied and studied, and only then introduced into everyday life. But if there are the slightest prerequisites for the results of her research, then products with GMOs should be banned.
      - Also, your post sounds so that Irina Ermakova goes to extremes (read stupid hysterical). But if we discard all emotions, he explained the difference and the results of research (and not just one) between the corporation producing GMO products and their own. When a company is interested in making huge profits, it will prove for any money that it has everything in a bundle and without a hitch. Or will you further argue that transnational corporations are the benefactor and honesty of the whole earth?
      Bill Gates, for example, is involved in vaccination in Africa. Where he said that with the help of vaccination it will be possible to reduce the African population by 13-15%. I did not repeat it verbatim, but I did not change the essence.
      When those in power and money (and this is the control of everything and, in one of the first turn, the control of science) decides to prove something, then through controlled scientists, laboratories, etc. they will prove practically anything. And when their goal is to reduce the population, then even more so.
      And finally. And why, then, do wealthy citizens start their own gardens, vegetable gardens where they grow non-GMO vegetables, fruits, berries, the ones that we are stewed in stores?
      1. rereture
        rereture 11 February 2014 07: 59 New
        0
        Do you know how much the new transgenic variety will be tested? Before he gets to the field, he can be tested in the laboratory for two years for allergenicity, toxicity and so on.
        Ordinary plant varieties do not check this.

        If there is danger, then it is no more than from ordinary products.

        . And why, then, do wealthy citizens start their own gardens, vegetable gardens where they grow non-GMO vegetables, fruits, berries, the ones that we are stewed in stores?


        Taste. Some gmo vegetables are tasteless.
        1. alex-s
          alex-s 11 February 2014 08: 47 New
          +4
          And yet I will refrain from using them! The main thing is that we must be informed about the presence of GMOs in all products!
        2. kavkaz8888
          kavkaz8888 11 February 2014 08: 52 New
          +5
          rereture today, 07:59
          "... If there is a danger, then it is no more than from ordinary products ..."

          Well then, to all of you Smart-wise enjoyable gmoappetit. Will you feed your kids um too? Maybe you’ll think with your head?

          "... Do you know how long a new transgenic strain will be tested? .."

          And about checks for two years, who taught you this? The Internet is in front of you. Look, you will find that the gmosh companies themselves put experiments for 2-3 months. Because longer is sad. The article also has this.

          "... Taste. Some GMO vegetables are tasteless ..."
          Rich citizens are simply well informed. So they eat NORMAL food.
          1. Civil
            Civil 11 February 2014 17: 06 New
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            Quote: kavkaz8888
            rereture today, 07:59
            "... If there is a danger, then it is no more than from ordinary products ..."

            Well then, to all of you Smart-wise enjoyable gmoappetit. Will you feed your kids um too? Maybe you’ll think with your head?

            "... Do you know how long a new transgenic strain will be tested? .."

            And about checks for two years, who taught you this? The Internet is in front of you. Look, you will find that the gmosh companies themselves put experiments for 2-3 months. Because longer is sad. The article also has this.

            "... Taste. Some GMO vegetables are tasteless ..."
            Rich citizens are simply well informed. So they eat NORMAL food.


            Some rich citizens wanted to spit on you and pedophiles, you too will take examples from them.
          2. rereture
            rereture 11 February 2014 17: 23 New
            -1
            Rich citizens are simply well informed. So they eat NORMAL food.


            Alas, not always, to begin with, rich citizens simply want to stand out and not be like everyone else.
            For example, why do I need a rich person to ride like everyone else on public transport when there is a helicopter with a pilot.

            For example, the first piece of meat grown in the laboratory who tasted? That's right rich.

            And about checks for two years, who taught you this? The Internet is in front of you. Look, you will find that the gmosh companies themselves put experiments for 2-3 months. Because longer is sad. The article also has this.


            Well, yes, people like Irina Vladimirovna live on the Internet. For example, the article says nothing about conducting experiments and there is no mention of other scientists

            While numerous studies abroad and in Russia have proved that transgenic organisms lead to oncology, allergies, infertility, and pathology of internal organs. That is, they act destructively at the system level


            What kind of research? Where? By whom?

            If we talk about cleanliness, then you get varieties of plants that cause allergies, but they are not put on the market, for this research exists to weed them out.

            But this culture accumulates these toxic substances! Moreover, the earth, surrounding plants and people living near the fields are poisoned. There is oncology, infertility, early mortality.


            All cultures accumulate toxic substances. So who is to blame? A crop or a farmer who poured chemicals into the soil?

            That is, they act destructively at the system level. In 2012, the prize was awarded to American scientists who proved: where there was a lot of GMOs in food, there is obesity and diabetes.


            Not a single surname of a scientist, or at least a group leader, is also no name for the award.

            And the end of the article killed on a tumble.
        3. Sunjar
          Sunjar 11 February 2014 09: 09 New
          +7
          Quote: rereture
          Taste. Some gmo vegetables are tasteless


          But only?
          Irina Ermakova and other scientists also did, as already mentioned in the article for more than one month, experiments that gave positive results in terms of danger to the body. Only Irina Ermakova does not receive a billionth profit from her research, and the corporation receives from the sale of products.
          About toxicity, allergenicity and so on ... Toxicity and allergenicity may not be in GMO products, but Irina Ermakova told how these products affect reproduction and the risks of cancer.
          Since the experiments were carried out on mice, in which the reproductive period and the period of life are much shorter than in humans, then all this bodysuit can act on a person with prominent results only in the third or fourth generation, but by then we will be dead and so on we will think that GMO products are even useful. And in a medical institution they will tell our great-grandson that he got cancer for unknown reasons or from relatives by genes (from us).
          Alcohol has relatively recently been considered a potent drug in accordance with GOST, but now it is not. So, has the effect on alcohol changed on the body? But some scientists talk about utility in moderate doses. And some, on the contrary, say that you will thump both a man and a woman, if separately it is not important, then your children will most likely be born with deviations or freaks. So is it not better not to thump at all, so as not to risk the future of your descendants because of your own prejudices.
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 09: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: rereture
          two years to check in the laboratory for allergenicity,

          Is this your term? No matter how you later bite your elbows.
          1. rereture
            rereture 11 February 2014 11: 38 New
            -1
            for one grade is more than enough.

            In Europe, research on GMOs has been going on for 20 years, no harmful effects on the reproductive system have been found. Read scientific articles, better in the original.

            It is not profitable for corporations to poison people. No people - no profit.

            In general, you need to develop your science, and your GMO.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 12: 43 New
              +3
              Quote: rereture
              It is not profitable for corporations to poison people.

              Well, I didn’t come up with the theory of the golden billion. And Thatcher as it put it, that there are too many Russians.
              Quote: rereture
              Read scientific articles, better in the original.

              In the original, they are written on grants from corporations.
              Quote: rereture
              In general, you need to develop your science, and your GMO.

              Science is yes, and it is better not to let GMOs out of the laboratories, because without it we did not die, and with it it is still unknown. hi
              1. rereture
                rereture 11 February 2014 13: 13 New
                +1
                Without GMO, mortality would be higher, now I will explain why.

                They modify not only plants, but also microorganisms. For example, bacteria. Which are used, for example, in formacology.

                Most antibiotics are synthesized by GMO bacteria.
                Most vitamins are synthesized by GMO bacteria.
                Many active substances of drugs are synthesized by GMO bacteria.

                The biggest danger, GMOs, is the accumulation of chemicals that process the fields, but usually it is checked.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 18: 03 New
                  +2
                  Quote: rereture
                  Many active substances of drugs are synthesized by GMO bacteria. The greatest danger, GMO is the accumulation of chemicals,

                  This is certainly dangerous, BUT. I believe the biggest danger is not a controlled mutation of bacteria and viruses. For example - before the variety of flu could be counted on the fingers, now there are dozens of them. Previously, a banal tripper was treated with 10 tablets of Trichopolum, now they can be swallowed with handfuls, it will not help. Antibiotics are now present in almost any meat sold, so be surprised that they do not help. The same with GMOs, and with all the chemistry, play with nature, she will send us to hell. hi
                  1. rereture
                    rereture 11 February 2014 18: 41 New
                    0
                    Everything is just evolving.

                    Viruses and bacteria, for example, evolve where there are more host organisms. therefore, all new diseases are either from China or from India.

                    I believe the biggest danger is not a controlled mutation of bacteria and viruses


                    Such a nature - the strongest survives. And in the wild, neither can you control the mutation, nor in any way.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 20: 10 New
                      0
                      Quote: rereture
                      Such a nature - the strongest survives.

                      The weakest also survive with penicillin, industrial livestock farming only survives on antibiotics, they add to feed. And about the adaptability of viruses to drugs, I already wrote above. hi
        5. dark_65
          dark_65 11 February 2014 09: 51 New
          +2
          another generation has not changed. what kind of foods these ...
      2. Denis
        Denis 11 February 2014 09: 24 New
        -1
        In your post, it sounds as if Irina Ermakova is guilty of the collapse of the collective farm
        Whoever heard it, not her. Just emotions
        Or will you further argue that transnational corporations are the benefactor and honesty of the whole earth?
        Also, as if not trying to argue
        And about to introduce or prohibit, about it was written, there is a good old proverb.Seven times measure cut onceStatements by one, even a very competent and talented scientist, cannot yet be an undeniable truth
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 10: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Denis
          .Seven times measure cut once.

          Yes, the fact of the matter is that GMO corporations are first cut, and then they will be measured, according to the results.
          Quote: Denis
          So it turns out that ALL, is all vaccination evil?

          The effectiveness of many vaccines does not exceed 15 percent. BCG is done for everyone at birth, but they still get sick with a tube, especially in zones. In Latin America, the WHO was caught by the hand when they were vaccinated, resulting in infertility. And in the Urals, I don’t remember where exactly, at the end of the 2000s, they caught the chief doctor of a children's clinic, she vaccinated grandmothers for children who did not pass clinical trials. The results were passed on to the French farm company that paid her. If this company paid more, and immediately to the Ministry of Health, then we would never know about the vaccine test conducted on children. I am sure that such tests are being carried out now, under the patronage of the Ministry of Health. I didn’t vaccinate my youngest with anything, tfu-tfu, didn’t get sick. http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/dimka-/post110400041/
          1. sataha666
            sataha666 11 February 2014 11: 58 New
            0
            that’s right that they didn’t vaccinate. In our city, a measles outbreak was a couple of months ago. So all 11 patients were without vaccinations.

            Of course, you should not thoughtlessly do all the vaccines or not do all the vaccines. But when someone’s child becomes ill with polio, I’m sure that his parents blame themselves for a long time for not vaccinating
          2. Denis
            Denis 11 February 2014 16: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The effectiveness of many vaccines does not exceed 15 percent. BCG is done to everyone at birth, but they still get a tube
            Again, many, but not all of them. It is simply profitable to expose the unsuccessful in the best possible form. Vaccines have been relieved of smallpox and measles
            they caught the head doctor of the children's clinic, she vaccinated grandmothers for children who did not pass clinical trials
            This is a goat doctor but not a reason to ban ALL, again I emphasize all vaccines
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 18: 07 New
              0
              Quote: Denis
              but not a reason to ban ALL, again I emphasize all vaccines

              Yes, I do not prohibit calling for a reasonable application. The same hepatitis, there are few indications for vaccinations, also with tuberculosis. And they expand everyone. Nobody argues with smallpox, only thanks to vaccinations they won. hi
      3. Denis
        Denis 11 February 2014 09: 35 New
        -1
        Quote: Sunjar
        Where he said that with the help of vaccination it will be possible to reduce the African population by 13-15%.
        So it turns out that ALLIs vaccination all evil?
    3. Shurale
      Shurale 11 February 2014 08: 35 New
      +2
      And this already reminds a squabble in a communal kitchen. Why is she so sure of her innocence?
      Here you need a huge number of experiments to know what is harmful and what is not


      In my opinion, the article just talks about the experiments, and their deplorable results. Do you propose to conduct experiments until the rats begin to survive? So then with a guilty conscience to eat this guano?
      1. Denis
        Denis 11 February 2014 09: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Shurale
        Do you propose to conduct experiments until the rats begin to survive?
        I suggest not to be based on the statements of two people, but to continue to test the impact.
        And do not repeat the story of the war painter
        1. Shurale
          Shurale 11 February 2014 10: 37 New
          +2
          These statements are not one and not two years old, and not by one person. Why are you protecting GMOs? Do you have any interests in this area? Are you a developer? Or do you think that GMOs can feed the world and save it from hunger?

          By the way, at the expense of hogweed, for example, are you aware of cyclohenia? Everything here is already overgrown and it is impossible to fight it, and toxicity has already been proven by many victims ...
          1. Denis
            Denis 12 February 2014 01: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Shurale
            Why are you protecting GMOs? Do you have any interests in this area? Are you a developer?
            Especially funny about interests and developments
            I am for objectivity. And then they start to fight without thinking
            Shooting-do not give weapons to morons or ban it?
            And how many people die in road accidents, are cars also banned?
            1. Shurale
              Shurale 12 February 2014 08: 18 New
              -1
              A very convenient method of trolling, to move away from the answer and jump from topic to topic, well - let's jump. Here, in my opinion, Puchkov’s very sensible opinion on weapons. Objectively, without hunger strike - but I think you will still find a way to disbelieve him - and jump on another topic.
    4. saber1357
      saber1357 12 February 2014 03: 25 New
      -1
      It was necessary to study at school to know physics, chemistry and biology at least on the fingers. And not only manipulation technologies, hidden behind the words "it should be studied", "it should not be ruined", etc. The article is very scientifically accurate. the experimenter herself knows what she is talking about. By the way, she didn’t say even 1/10 of what is known about GMOs. For those wishing to study - on the Pubmed database, generally known to all biologists, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=genetically+modified
      48616 SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES about GMOs, so study if you want ...
  2. Blinov_I
    Blinov_I 11 February 2014 07: 05 New
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    The whole point of the article in the last question-answer ...
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  5. Alex66
    Alex66 11 February 2014 07: 33 New
    +7
    Already in 2014, genetically modified plants can be sown throughout Russia. The country, which until recently at the world level was considered a bastion of safe food, gave up.
    Decree of the Government of D. Medvedev No. 839 was adopted secretly from citizens on September 23.

    It’s not clear to me who he is, or go ..t? Well, where is he in such a hurry, maybe you need to wait and look at the experience of countries that have introduced GMOs at home. And he himself eats GM foods?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 February 2014 08: 22 New
      +9
      Eating ! And in large quantities! If I hadn’t eaten, I didn’t take such inadequate decisions!
    2. rereture
      rereture 11 February 2014 08: 29 New
      -1
      USA, Europe since 1990. Already 20 years old. China.
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 11 February 2014 11: 10 New
        0
        Well, you have to wait another 20 years and see if their children can have their own full-fledged children. It's rats fast, but we need time.
    3. alex-s
      alex-s 11 February 2014 08: 49 New
      +1
      It’s not clear to me who he is, or go ..t?

      Well, what is not a friend is for sure!
  6. Blinov_I
    Blinov_I 11 February 2014 07: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Sunjar
    But if there are the slightest prerequisites for the results of her research, then products with GMOs should be banned.

    Itch! Read the contraindications and side effects to the most common and vital medicines. There are not the “slightest suspicions” at all, but rather concrete consequences. Forbid?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 10: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Blinov_I
      Read contraindications and side effects.

      Medicines treat one, cripple the other. What treats GMOs? Using GMOs provides tremendous profits, and more. And puts a big cross on traditional agricultural technologies. As a result, after 20 years, non-GMO crops will die out completely, since everything is pollinated. hi
  7. rereture
    rereture 11 February 2014 08: 01 New
    +4
    - Irina Vladimirovna, I’ll say a little about my own - when I serve in the church as an altar boy, I feel the healing power of prayers. The very reading of psalms, canons, Apostle - loud, clear, heartfelt - it is so good for health that I have all the diseases. I do not go to polyclinics, I do not lie in hospitals - I am being treated in a temple. And I know many people like me. And you, as a biologist, can confirm the reality of the beneficial effects on the health of people in the church prayer?

    - The fact that a beneficial effect occurs is certain. I myself faced this. And I protect myself with prayers.

    Before, I was not very churchly, I didn’t believe so much in God to pray regularly and go to the temple. But when I seriously took up the problem of GMOs, sorcerers and psychics began to appear around me who tried to manipulate me. And knowledgeable people said to me: “Urgently run to the church — prayers such and such, do this and that.” I began to do it - and everything seemed to have cleared around me. Since then, I often go to the temple. And I try to keep the Orthodox way of life.






    I do not trust such scientists.
    1. A. Yaga
      A. Yaga 12 February 2014 00: 26 New
      0
      Quote: rereture
      I do not trust such scientists.

      In vain. This is a ripple effect. Even religion has nothing to do with it. Bell ringing (crimson) stops many epidemics altogether. Therefore, in ancient Moscow with cholera, the bells rang continuously around the clock for several months. Orthodox prayers and chants "charge" the water, the water changes its structure and is able to heal. This is wave physics.
      1. rereture
        rereture 12 February 2014 00: 45 New
        0
        fool Do not be surprised that we have less and less outstanding scientists fool
  8. Nayhas
    Nayhas 11 February 2014 08: 02 New
    +5
    When I got to this, everything became clear ...
    There is evidence that on the earth with a high level of radiation as a result of the Chernobyl disaster, people leading an Orthodox lifestyle do not get sick: they pray, receive communion, fast and so on.

    Does this mean that for example, Mormons will die out under such conditions? What about Muslims?
    And more:
    - Well, let's start with the fact that not all food is digested in the gastrointestinal tract, there are undigested pieces. Therefore, transgenic DNA can easily fall into the bacteria of the intestine, then into the blood and lymph.

    So can or fall? And why do they get there? Do bacteria eat the DNA of the foods we consume? Do intestinal bacteria enter the bloodstream?
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 10: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Nayhas
      So can or fall? And why do they get there?

      When you eat garlic, then the sweat stinks. How does the smell get into the blood? How does alcohol get into the bloodstream? I wondered why urine is pink after beets? Mutated DNA also enters the bloodstream. hi
  9. Karabin
    Karabin 11 February 2014 08: 07 New
    +9
    The effect of GMOs on humans has been little studied. Opinions in the scientific community are divided. Each side makes its own arguments, confirmed by research. Good sense suggests in this situation not to rush and study the issue thoroughly, especially since Russia is able to feed itself with normal products. What do our rulers do? At least in an unclear situation, open the gates of GMO wide open. Eat, the people of GMOs are products, and we'll see what happens to you. Those who made this decision will certainly not risk their own health. The income level allows them to eat tasty and healthy food. In addition to the little-studied issue of the impact of GMOs on the human body, there is still a completely predictable aspect. In the GMO industry, the lion's share of the market is controlled by 4-5 large firms. With the spread of GMOs, Russia inevitably becomes dependent on the supply of seeds, agricultural chemistry, and technology.
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 11 February 2014 08: 55 New
      +5
      I agree! On the one hand, the state is trying to stop the demographic decline in the country, and on the other, it risks completely destroying the reproductive function of its citizens! I am against such experiments on the Russians !!!
    2. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 11 February 2014 09: 55 New
      +6
      Now let's talk about the benefits of smoking and alcohol. We weren’t drunk with vodka, we weren’t smoked with a smoke, now we’ll talk about the usefulness of a tomato with a frog gene, for example ... Trend

      Always in discussions about food, with all the pros and cons, everyone clearly says that we are what we eat. And in the case of GMOs, they are beginning to forget about it sharply.

      There have already been several articles about the artificial shortage of at least gold / oil, at least as recently as buckwheat / salt / eggs. Or with the ozone layer. In ALL cases, this turned out to be crap, and the speakers secretly represented the interests of the monopolists who enriched themselves on this.

      So it is with GMOs - like there is nothing for people to eat ... In Africa ... Yes, it’s corny for them to buy nothing, and the land was bought by the same companies that scream about hunger and develop the idea of ​​GMOs. In the USSR there are no less people than now, and so what? Have a problem with your meal? Just do not stupid about the lack of sausage.

      And most importantly, “He who controls food controls people; the one who controls energy controls the continents; the one who controls the money controls the world. ” (Henry Kissinger, 1973).

      Then you can argue about GMOs at least until you consider that 90% of them, as well as related reagents and chemicals belong to several companies (4 like), and GMO crops do not produce offspring.

      PS Read the book Legacy (Tarmashev), not all is possible, everything is described in great detail and with facts.
    3. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 11 February 2014 09: 55 New
      +2
      Now let's talk about the benefits of smoking and alcohol. We weren’t drunk with vodka, we weren’t smoked with a smoke, now we’ll talk about the usefulness of a tomato with a frog gene, for example ... Trend

      Always in discussions about food, with all the pros and cons, everyone clearly says that we are what we eat. And in the case of GMOs, they are beginning to forget about it sharply.

      There have already been several articles about the artificial shortage of at least gold / oil, at least as recently as buckwheat / salt / eggs. Or with the ozone layer. In ALL cases, this turned out to be crap, and the speakers secretly represented the interests of the monopolists who enriched themselves on this.

      So it is with GMOs - like there is nothing for people to eat ... In Africa ... Yes, it’s corny for them to buy nothing, and the land was bought by the same companies that scream about hunger and develop the idea of ​​GMOs. In the USSR there are no less people than now, and so what? Have a problem with your meal? Just do not stupid about the lack of sausage.

      And most importantly, “He who controls food controls people; the one who controls energy controls the continents; the one who controls the money controls the world. ” (Henry Kissinger, 1973).

      Then you can argue about GMOs at least until you consider that 90% of them, as well as related reagents and chemicals belong to several companies (4 like), and GMO crops do not produce offspring.

      PS Read the book Legacy (Tarmashev), not all is possible, everything is described in great detail and with facts.
  10. calocha
    calocha 11 February 2014 08: 26 New
    +6
    They are already using it successfully !!! Thanks to our 5th column, a powerful lobby is going on! As the GOSTs were canceled and TU was introduced, a devilish competition started - who cares what-in meat sausage — don’t find one soy and preservatives, only under different numbers, sour cream with milk and butter in general is nonsense. You can’t even find ice cream on milk .... Judging by the fact that more and more war patients are successfully becoming cancer patients!
  11. makarov
    makarov 11 February 2014 08: 29 New
    +8
    "Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Konstantin Skryabin, representing the interests of the Monsanto corporation (the largest manufacturer of GM products) in Russia, assures that the use of transgenic plants and animals for food is harmless to humans and even beneficial."

    This is not an academician! This is a clerk and son of a bitch !!! Such statements and their implementation, and brings the nation to the root.
    Fighting GMOs is quite difficult, and not everyone can handle it. That is why, worrying about my future generation, I was FORCED to start a household. The main products are meat, eggs, milk - all their own. I made a small pond with water purification and oxygenation in the yard, tried to raise fish, it turned out to be painfully troublesome, I had to close the stocking program. Yes, in principle, the management of any economy is troublesome, but you have to choose.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 11 February 2014 20: 57 New
      0
      Quote: makarov
      This is not an academician! This is a clerk and son of a bitch !!! Such statements and their implementation, and brings the nation to the root.

      Everything fits very well with the theory of the golden billion. There are too many people on earth and here the managers of the world are trying to get rid of 2-3 billion of them. There is no need to dig deep, here is universal coercive LGBTization and transgenic products, I think the appearance of AIDS is also not casual
  12. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 11 February 2014 08: 37 New
    +3
    The article is interesting, written with knowledge of the topic. In 2012, at the Military Medical Academy, large hearings were held on this topic, practitioners from the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Defense and, of course, experts spoke, but the results and conclusions were not published, therefore, "things are still there" , and about the LADY, so his "comrades" should be driven from all government posts for a long time, I am surprised at the patience of the "specialists" and the GDP.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 11 February 2014 08: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      I am surprised at the patience of "specialists" and GDP.

      And I am surprised at your (and not only yours) impenetrability. What else does the GDP have to do so that everyone finally realizes that he and DAM are one gang. Appointed Prime Minister, left the President for himself. What else does? To give the Hero of Russia and publicly kiss the fuck?
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 11 February 2014 08: 59 New
        -1
        Well, not GDP, but who?
        Who then does what the country is doing now?
        Siluanov? Serdyukov did?
        Why did some sort of fuss begin?
        If the ladies and the GDP were one gang, then why would they need all this?
        Well, the remnants would be privatized quietly, among ourselves, and we would all live in peace, would believe that Serdyukov bought the Mistrals correctly, that our tank industry is not needed, we will buy it in France ...
        And in the USA, the "Abrams" were not removed from production, so that jobs would be saved.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 11 February 2014 09: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: mirag2
          Well, not GDP, but who?

          Well, if there is nobody, then come to terms with the Medvedevs, Fursenko, Lebanon, Serdyukov and others. And do not separate them from GDP. And it turns out, you know who should not be in the government, but he does not.
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 11 February 2014 09: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Karabin
        What else does? To give the Hero of Russia and publicly kiss the fuck?

        Let him kiss the tummy, then the people will certainly have no doubts ...
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 11 February 2014 09: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Nayhas
          Let him kiss the tummy, then the people will certainly have no doubts ...

          I’m afraid that some will still have doubts. Now, if on the reverse side and lower ... Although, after that, it is not a fact.
  13. Rash
    Rash 11 February 2014 08: 38 New
    -2
    Mdya ... When a woman rattles her arms, nothing good will come of it.
  14. Neophyte
    Neophyte 11 February 2014 08: 46 New
    +2
    Sheer nonsense! In Russia, a lot of fertile land is taken by the Chinese for rent, using the intensive method of obtaining crops using Chinese chemical fertilizers. After 2 years, the land dies and the products
    getting to our table is not suitable at all. Even if they are defective, then
    a huge army of Azeri intermediary buyers / this is their share in the market segment /, spraying this poison in all Russian markets.
    What is worse, carrots with hymids or gomorkovka?
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 11 February 2014 09: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Neophyte
      What is worse, carrots with hymids or gomorkovka?
      Do you think that with the advent of GMO carrots, the Chinese will leave? The inability (or unwillingness) of the authorities to bring order to the control of products is a completely different topic. And GMO control will be no better than general control.
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 11 February 2014 09: 32 New
      +1
      Both are bad, it's like putting the convict before the choice of how to execute him: hang or shoot. The dealers were created by corrupt rulers from the "liberals", and the people driven to the extreme periodically arrange pogroms of these so-called. resellers and their markets. Sales officials immediately announce interethnic reasons (and who wants to cut off the source of enrichment)
  15. Alex66
    Alex66 11 February 2014 09: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: Neophyte
    What is worse, carrots with hymids or gomorkovka?

    But the question is not so - there will be gimmorki with Hymiads, instead of the one that is now, i.e. two in one and poison and gmo.
    1. Naum
      Naum 11 February 2014 12: 38 New
      +1
      Voros is worse - instead of ordinary food, there will soon be a universal nutritious biosubstrate (in any convenient and attractive appearance), which we will all eat (except for those who can afford the traditional option).
      1. makarov
        makarov 11 February 2014 14: 44 New
        +1
        Work is already underway to create grocery 3D printers, and the information is very successful. Therefore, printed grubbers for people are just around the corner.
  16. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 11 February 2014 09: 28 New
    +4
    Eramkova, the first, even more than a year ago, who openly declared what harm GMOs do and what the company is actively promoting. Respect to this brave woman!

    For your information:

    The monstrous genocide of the Vietnam War, which went down in history as Agent Orange, is associated with the name of Monsanto.
    In the Russian-language Wikipedia, only one colorless line is devoted to these terrible events: “In the 1960s, Monsanto was the leading producer of Agent Orange, used to defoliate vegetation during the Vietnam War. For this, the company had to pay compensation to the Vietnam War veterans in the 1984 year. ”
    Due to the simplified synthesis technology, Agent Orange contained a significant concentration of dioxins, which cause cancer and genetic mutations in people in contact with them. A total of about 14% of the territory of Vietnam was exposed to this poison. Since 1980, attempts have been made to seek compensation through litigation, including with firms producing these substances (Dow Chemical and Monsanto). Veterans from the United States, New Zealand, Australia, and Canada received compensation in 1984. Vietnamese and South Korean casualties were denied. According to the U.S. Department of Defense, from 1961 to 1971, Americans sprayed 10 million liters of defoliant on 72% of South Vietnam, including 44 million liters of dioxin. According to the Vietnamese dioxin-affected society, of the three million Vietnamese who are victims of the chemical, so far more than a million people under the age of 18 have become disabled with hereditary diseases.

    For those wishing to understand in more detail what Monsanto is and who it represents, and for what purpose: http://medkniga.ucoz.net/forum/77-1612-1

    For those who wish to "eat" GMOs, "bon appetit" ...
  17. Mviktor
    Mviktor 11 February 2014 09: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: alex-s
    And yet I will refrain from using them! The main thing is that we must be informed about the presence of GMOs in all products!


    Everything is correct, and even if GMOs do no harm, it is not bad to hedge oneself, and not conduct tests on your children. Who for GMOs do not agitate us, and eat GMO products yourself maybe through the generation of you morons will not. Anglo-Saxons sleep and see how else we can do some dirty tricks
    1. me
      me 11 February 2014 11: 31 New
      -1
      And here we are, they feed themselves with this.
      1. makarov
        makarov 11 February 2014 17: 33 New
        +1
        Let me disagree. Nemakov is now actively rushing precisely the fashion for natural products, and they cost several orders of magnitude more expensive. Even the same piggie is ordered to a burgher, come to admire the whole family at him, and control the food with care.
        1. me
          me 12 February 2014 10: 35 New
          0
          Be that as it may, in the United States, Germany and other countries, GMOs are still an order of magnitude larger than in Russia, so not only we are being poisoned.
  18. asergu
    asergu 11 February 2014 09: 47 New
    +3
    There is a good book about this: Tarmashev "Heritage". Describes in great detail about GMOs
  19. sataha666
    sataha666 11 February 2014 09: 57 New
    +2
    And without experience I can see the result. If GMO vegetation cannot continue to multiply (not suitable for subsequent use for planting), what do you expect from it in other organisms?
    By the way, do not forget that in the end everyone will have to buy culture for planting from these companies and do you think they will be modest in their price appetites?
  20. Averias
    Averias 11 February 2014 10: 58 New
    +1
    You can argue and argue for a long time. Here are some questions that interest me personally.
    1. Why all research in the field of GMOs - to keep the strictest confidence.
    2. Why (even to venerable scientists) they shut their mouths when they raise the question of harm or benefit. Research in this area is prohibited at the state level (Germany, England for example). And with some, accidents happen.
    3. Why don't they talk about the "termination" gene. When the same wheat grown from GMO seeds does not give the next harvest (and after all, any farmer sells part and leaves part for sowing). The report is obvious.
    For reference, the money spent in this area is several times more than the money spent by the military.
    Why GMO crops and those exposed to pests should only be treated with special pesticides. Others do not take pests. And most importantly, the pests begin to mutate and become resistant to these pesticides. New pesticides are being released, and now guess who the producer and monopolist in this area is.
    For curiosity, google or in Yandex or some other search engine information about the same "Monsanto". You will not find anything worthwhile. Dee and these companies, in the world (if my memory serves me) only three or four. With cosmic budgets and colossal profits.
    Is there a reason for reflection?
    1. Leprechaun
      Leprechaun 11 February 2014 11: 44 New
      +1
      For microbiologists and virologists creating transgenic microorganisms, work with them is equated to fourth hazard level. To more fully assess the situation, I add that diseases such as Ebola, plague and anthrax belong to the same level of danger.
  21. Leprechaun
    Leprechaun 11 February 2014 10: 59 New
    0
    About eighty percent of all registered GMOs are owned by the industry's parent company, Monsanto, the next two largest players in the market are Swiss Syngenta and German Bayer. These firms earn by selling patent rights to grow GMOs, seeds of GM crops, associated pesticides and agricultural machinery. According to Greenpeace expert estimates, the annual annual turnover of seeds of GM crops is about fifty billion euros, this value does not include income from sales of pesticides, patent rights and other things. Naturally, behind such money there are very influential forces capable of creating powerful lobbies. The largest of these is Group Life America, an association of agribusiness corporations that includes giants such as BASF, Bayer Group Science, Dow Agro Science, Monsanto and Syngenta.
  22. Leprechaun
    Leprechaun 11 February 2014 11: 02 New
    +2
    The conflict over GMOs is not about science, but about power, or rather, the ability of a handful of corporations involved in the sale of seeds, pesticides, and the like, to dictate their terms to world agriculture. This is the meaning of the “Gene Revolution” to force local farmers around the world to abandon traditional agricultural varieties and make them absolutely dependent on proprietary transgenic products and their associated pesticides. After all, all gene inserts that are built into the genome of plants to obtain GMOs are an object of intellectual property. Consequently, their use is paid, and a country that grows seeds of transgenic crops on its territory that have a patented genetic insert will always pay royalties to the companies that own this insert. In other words, the cultivation of transgenic crops leads to the emergence of a strict dependence of national agricultural production on biotechnological corporations that have the rights to cultivated GM crops, legalized by international law.
  23. brn521
    brn521 11 February 2014 11: 12 New
    +2
    The content of the article is written quite badly. I liked the article from MK written about 5-6 years ago more. Everything about the same experiments with rats was written there. I remember something like this: on the full GMO diet, the rats themselves are almost nothing serious, their offspring are already half dead, and the third generation is almost gone. And these are rats, which under normal conditions cannot really be caught.
    One thing is not clear in such conditions. The experience is relatively simple, it can be carried out in a reasonable amount of time, spending little money (generations in rats change quickly). The US is actively promoting all this GMO junk. If you officially conduct research at the state level, having received the corresponding negative results, good material will appear for political pressure. The prerequisites would indeed be serious - at least start a war. What we are not observing now. All materials on the dangers of GMOs are unofficial. Is it that, in all countries, the leadership is tied to such an extent that he does not give a damn about his country and people?
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 February 2014 11: 15 New
      +1
      At least in France, so-saw the French film about GMOs-tough.
      That is, I think that in France, if GMOs are used, then the pressure of a certain "anti-GMO lobby" is overcome.
    2. Windbreak
      Windbreak 11 February 2014 11: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: brn521
      And these are rats, which under normal conditions cannot really be caught.
      In rats and without any GMOs, tumors often appear
  24. Leprechaun
    Leprechaun 11 February 2014 11: 20 New
    +1
    Government Decision No. 839, adopted on September 23, permits sowing of genetically modified grains in Russia, Vedomosti writes.

    The decision will enter into force on July 1, 2014 and, as Oleg Sukhanov, head of market research at Bunge, believes, the first crop of genetically modified soybeans can be harvested in 2016-2017.

    GMOs in Russia so far can only be grown in pilot plots. At the same time, import of some varieties of corn, potatoes, soy, rice and sugar beets is allowed. At the same time, vertically integrated agricultural holdings used to sow fields with GMO fodder very widely before. Food products using GMOs are allowed in Russia, but require labeling.

    Syngenta, Monsanto, KWS or Pioneer can sell GMO seeds to Russia.

    Director of External Relations of the Union of Organic Agriculture Anna Lyubovedskaya reminds that GMOs are not reproduced. According to her, "farmers will have to constantly buy such seeds abroad, since we have almost no seed production of our own." Their cultivation requires special and very poisonous herbicides, which will also have to be bought from Western producers, "adds Lyubovedskaya.

    Production of products from GMOs poses risks to health and the environment not yet revealed (yes you are kidding !!!), notes the chairman of the board of the International Confederation of Consumer Societies Dmitry Yanin. Rospotrebnadzor also supports the use of GMOs. belay
  25. rereture
    rereture 11 February 2014 11: 59 New
    +2
    Most visitors to VO do not know biology at the 10-11 grade level of the school. Do not read foreign articles and our articles.


    Do not want to - do not buy, grow yourself.

    By the way, tomatoes from purchased seeds lose their fertility in the second generation.
  26. siberalt
    siberalt 11 February 2014 12: 09 New
    +2
    Does prayer save you from GMOs? But. I have a good friend. Editor of the university newspaper "For Science". He was a communist, then became a true Orthodox. And then he spoke on regional news and told how he got rid of cancer with the help of prayer. I fully admit, the world is not without miracles. It is possible that his cancer also originated from GMOs. Who knows. what
  27. brn521
    brn521 11 February 2014 12: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Burel
    In rats and without any GMOs, tumors often appear

    In MK it was not about some miserable tumors. This is just one of the side effects. The problem was that the very first generation born had obvious signs of degradation. They were small, they died of anything, and did not breed well. Well, the next generation is generally a small bunch of small freaks, many of whom died either immediately or shortly after birth. True, we must not forget that the experimental rats were completely on a GMO diet, and certainly inferior (probably one soybean, as I understand from the article, I do not remember, many years have passed), which in real life is still not relevant for people. But still, if there is even the slightest threat to our heredity, even if presented on the example of rats, this is very serious. Enough to spit on communications, economics and contracts.
    In MK, the article was written from the point of view of science was somewhat more literate. At least the experimental conditions were painted. Results too. And the photos were attached. And this article, which is above, is continuous emotions. I did not evaluate it. And Orthodoxy was dragged into the box office and in the wrong way, because of which the article became similar to propaganda and lost a significant part of its conviction. If we are talking about scientists, the information should go something like this. Here is a control group of rats, here is a group sitting on GMOs, and here is a group sitting on GMOs and daily listening to Orthodox prayers live. Well, as usual, magazines should be kept, the results should be attached.
  28. Naum
    Naum 11 February 2014 12: 33 New
    0
    Anything that can be used as a biological weapon is already being used in this capacity! When it comes to GMOs, the planet's ever-growing food shortages now kill many millions of people a year. Surely they preferred to be "genetically poisoned", but alive. I believe that GMO products should be banned from eating to everyone (as well as consuming alcohol, nicotine and drugs) who are of reproductive age (from 0 to 40), and then you can afford to be poisoned for pleasure. In a huge number of long-lived pensioners, no state is interested (but will never recognize this).
    1. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 11 February 2014 14: 02 New
      +2
      In order to appreciate the effect of GMOs, you need to take 2 large groups of rats and feed equally, with the exception of the content of GMOs. And follow the offspring. compulsory comparison group that lives in the same conditions. And their number should be sufficient to level out random deviations. And to repeat such an experiment by various independent researchers. At least that's what they do in medicine. And the negative impact of consuming a large (namely large) amount of soy (not necessarily GMOs, including reproductive ability) has been known for a long time. So if you feed only soybeans to rats, even with, even without GMOs, they will end badly
  29. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 11 February 2014 13: 36 New
    +2
    GMOs are different - there is for resistance to certain types of chemicals, or you can use it as a weapon ... The topic is similar to "are all mushrooms edible" ...
  30. RUSLAN454
    RUSLAN454 11 February 2014 13: 40 New
    0
    These issues are resolved at the highest level. therefore, another thanks to the government, namely, Mr. Putin for the next attempt to destroy his own people. THIS PATRIOT
  31. Doctorleg
    Doctorleg 11 February 2014 14: 15 New
    +1
    In order to change the genome, special virus vectors are used. it was convenient for researchers if the genome could be changed simply by changing the feed
  32. Kite
    Kite 11 February 2014 14: 19 New
    0
    "Well, let's start with the fact that not all food is digested in the gastrointestinal tract, there are undigested pieces. Therefore, transgenic DNA can easily enter intestinal bacteria, then into the blood and lymph."
    - Well, it’s finally scientifically proven why you can’t eat pickles and drink milk laughing There is a grain of no joke in this joke, because a person does not eat homogeneous food, unlike animals. Is the gastrointestinal tract and the available enzymes capable of digesting everything in the mixture? What happens when the system is tuned not to digest a portion of meat, but one "grape" is caught? What "meat" enzymes convert sugar from this "grape"?
    What has not been combined with what we have long known from practical experience. And why should scientists not take practical experience into account when modifying plants? To modify tomatoes not with cockroach genes, but carrot genes, for example. Layout compatible, not monstrous. Have you been carried away by the choice of exotic materials and thereby turning the topic into a dangerous event?
  33. btsypulin
    btsypulin 11 February 2014 14: 20 New
    0
    Quote: asergu
    There is a good book about this: Tarmashev "Heritage". Describes in great detail about GMOs


    I read that the most interesting and unusual in the book is that it contains many names of companies and scientists and others on this topic that actually exist now, i.e. Names and companies are in most cases not fictitious.
    1. Leprechaun
      Leprechaun 11 February 2014 15: 35 New
      0
      Well, Tarmashev himself in the foreword explicitly pointed out that the book is fiction by 15% and they were introduced solely to add readability to the text.
  34. Boris55
    Boris55 11 February 2014 14: 39 New
    -1
    What the hell did GMO give us? Do we have land that is not enough to grow normal agricultural products?
    GMOs are first of all necessary for allators - to produce as much as possible for a lower price ...
  35. Neophyte
    Neophyte 11 February 2014 14: 52 New
    0
    The arithmetic of baryzhsky Russian business is very simple: for the sake of profits, look for the cheapest components for a food supplement to food products. Here and they are being brought from Asia \ yes, yes, again, the Chinese, they have GMOs allowed only for export production \, a 50 kg bag of transgenic soybeans
    already in Russia, only $ 50. And then, our unscrupulous manufacturer \ what’s the word? About how Hero of Russia Serdyukov, stole
    only by negligence! \, adds anywhere in all food.
    Existing MPC, this manufacturer does not take into account, it is too tempting
    replace meat with soy. Sometimes, the% of the additive is 50, with a MPC of 1-3%.
    Draw a conclusion, reader, who is the main pest!
  36. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 11 February 2014 17: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: brn521
    The content of the article is written quite badly. I liked the article from MK written about 5-6 years ago more. Everything about the same experiments with rats was written there. I remember something like this: on the full GMO diet, the rats themselves are almost nothing serious, their offspring are already half dead, and the third generation is almost gone. And these are rats, which under normal conditions cannot really be caught.

    These are the experiments of Ermakova! They were not "born" yesterday ... The question is that practically no one is taking Eramkova's side !!!!! But on the side of the "defenders" of GMOs, "Naukoizvestnye" and "independent" and many other "figures from science" also took the side of the "defenders" of GMOs ... perceived! To paraphrase a famous song: "Enjoy the Silence" people ...
  37. brn521
    brn521 12 February 2014 11: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Oleg Sobol
    The question is different, that practically no one is on the side of Eramkova!

    The bias against GMOs is quite strong, and I support it. At least according to the simplest logic. In nature, this crap is unique. The slightest oversight, unaccounted for factor and all. Moreover, the consequences can occur only in subsequent generations. So let GMOs be tested by volunteers and fans. Psotrim on their grandchildren, then decide.
    And I am against the mass cultivation of such products. I had enough hybrids from the current domestic selection. Seeds have to buy. Hybrids of seeds themselves do not give. Plus, pollination with them destroyed the normal varieties that were once in use, they survived only somewhere in the outback. Thus, all whom I now only know are forced to buy seeds. I do not want the same picture to be repeated with more important crops, wheat, rye, buckwheat and others. If there is at least some threat to them, then I am categorically for the complete ban on GMOs.