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Russian-speaking guys from Ukraine should be able to serve in the Russian army

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Russian-speaking guys from Ukraine should be able to serve in the Russian army



After the victory of the "orange" in 2005, many Ukrainian TV channels at one time went on total agitation for NATO, and this was before Yanukovych came to power. As a rule, agitation went not only in the plots News, but also in separate gears. Channel 5 particularly succeeded in this, where the film crew traveled to the "barracks" of NATO member countries, and this from the Baltic states to the United States. The notorious American aircraft carriers, which even the Russian "Ivanes" and other foreigners served in exchange for citizenship and other blue American dreams, also showed. Everywhere it was emphasized that service in the armies of NATO countries is a ticket to life. Many are educated there. Attention was paid to both technical and practical aspects, for example, the ability of soldiers to leave home for the weekend. In general, to put it in the popular language, they showed such a “chupa-chups” for post-Soviet boys. But no matter how NATO was advertised then, our guys weren’t allowed there, not only historical memory, but also the West itself with its visa, language, cultural, etc. barriers.

Today, the geopolitical situation in Ukraine is changing many times faster than in the previous 20 years. I think this is not the only one; I have already sufficiently argued that the “Russian world” in southeastern Ukraine is defeated among Russian-speaking youth. The only thing where he does not tolerate it is in Sevastopol, there is the Russian spirit, there it smells of Rus! And this “spirit" is supported not only by the presence of sailors called up from the central strip of Russia, but also by citizens of Ukraine who, by the will of fate, serve in the Black Sea navy RF, however, having another passport in his pocket.

After Ukraine refused a full-fledged military conscription, tens of thousands of Russian-speaking boys will not know what a real army is. Unless patriotic parents will prepare them for this purpose from childhood or they will have a dream about working in the police or in a prestigious security agency. What will be the army of Ukraine after the transfer of all the contract both technically and ideologically, one can only guess.



Why does Russia need recruits from Little Russia? Well, definitely not to throw them under Tanksso that later Russophobes accuse Moscow that at the expense of Ukrainians and Belarusians they won the war by using them as a shield. As many readers of Military Review noted, it is time for Russia to stop betting on the elites of southeastern Ukraine, but we must go to the people. This is the only way to preserve the Russian core in Ukraine. Some offer money to give Russian-speaking people almost at the addresses, but bypassing Yanukovych, which looks silly and childish. The institution of intermediaries has not yet been canceled. Southeast Ukraine needs economic and social integration with the Russian Federation, bypassing official Kiev, but within the framework of Ukrainian legislation. Is it possible? Why is the United States not embarrassed to accept Mexicans into its army, and Russia cannot accept Russians who, by the will of fate after 1991, remained on the other side of the border? It's not about giving out passports to everyone. You need to earn a Russian passport! Russia is not Romania in order to act like a jackal in relation to official Kiev, where it is possible to pass a law according to which people, for example, Russians, whose parents lived before ... and have the right to ... Official Russia does not need Russians to leave cities Odessa, Kharkov, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and others, in search of a better life in greater Russia, but at the same time leaving the land to the “Banderaites”. Agree, when a parade is being held in honor of the SS division "Galicia" in Krivoy Rog - this is already abnormal, even if you drag the "non-stop" story over your ears. Where do they come from? And they come from!

Now slowly or quickly, but the Russian army is reborn. It is a fact. The number of exercises and new military equipment is growing. Significantly improved conditions of conscripts. Russian soldiers are no longer heroes of the film "DMB." By the way, thanks to the TV channel Zvezda, many in Ukraine take a fresh look at the Russian army. Are there any problems with the call in Russia? If you believe the data of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the positive attitude of the Russian society towards the army, then no. But qualitatively, the call needs to be improved in the light of any talk about Caucasian quotas, weak recruits, etc.? Probably need. I do not want this article to be understood as a hint to dilute the Caucasian draftees in the Russian army, not at all. It's just that Russia should stop scattering Russian people.



What can Russia offer Russian-speaking guys from the fragments of the old Russia, so as not to offend the Russians, who were lucky to stay in the big new Russia after 1991, because “freeloaders” are not needed anywhere? Probably not only a passport at the end of military service, although it will be enough. Firstly, the sense of the Motherland instead of the incomprehensible “Astrala”, secondly, the real combat-ready army without any language barrier! Everything that the Russian guys have seen in Ukraine in American films is already being introduced in Russia, and this is thermal imagers, a “warrior”, etc. And everyone communicates in your own language! Russian guy from Mariupol at the end of fixed-term service wants a contract, and not just a Russian passport? In this case, financial motivation is also needed, but not to the detriment of the Russian guy from Vologda. I propose the coefficient 1,5 * x. That is, let's say, the Russian boy Andrei Smirnov from Yaroslavl (Russia) will receive a housing act after 10 years of service in the Russian army, and the Russian boy Andrei Smirnov from Lugansk (Ukraine) is the same, but only after 15 years and necessarily only in Ukraine, at your place of residence. Just like a Roman army soldier in a remote province, at the turn of his homeland. We do not need the outcome of the Russian population from the Ukraine. How technically possible is this? Easy. Because in Bukovina, where I was recently, thousands of people in a different field are doing this. Who officially works in the West, who does not, but the result is one. All build mansions and palaces and are guides of the European integration ideology. No one knows who has a passport. Of course, when they work in the West, they are not in the shoes of an employer who knows the beauty of life in the EU, but that’s another story. There is nothing difficult. I know even one Russian military pensioner (he comes from Bukovyna himself) who, with the money from this act, bought an apartment here in Ukraine. And here is a miracle, he does not share the views of Bandera here! He is grateful to Russia! But the truth is, he was just after 1991, there, in the Russian Federation, and remained to serve.

What can official Kiev do if Russia allows Russian-speaking Ukrainians to serve in exchange for citizenship and benefits? Recognize all foreign agents? Haha, then he will break off all the "grant eaters" of the West and half of Western Ukraine! Make everyone declare money: they say, where do you have so much that is enough to buy a home? Then the end of all the "Bandera" voyage to work in Europe. Similarly with the passports of Romania! In both cases, if Russia starts to take such steps in relation to Kiev, it will either teach it state patriotism and true sovereignty, or simply will not allow to consciousness consciousness and rewrite the cultural code of Little Russia and New Russia. After all, the guys who served in the armed forces of the Russian Federation will be the Russian core in the east of Ukraine. In both cases, the strike will be on Euro-ideology and nationalism.

Thus, only Moscow’s intentions (soft power) will make Kiev take a different look at the value of status and the concept of “independence”, the Romanian passport of Bukovina and Transcarpathia, uncontrolled money transfers from Europe to Western Ukraine, where ideology comes along with income and also the illusion that we will live independently without the east of Ukraine. Maybe they will begin to respect their state?
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  1. Civil
    Civil 11 February 2014 06: 24
    +7
    1. Only by creating military bases in Ukraine, Russian bases.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 February 2014 06: 28
      +11
      Military service in exchange for citizenship?
      There is a rational grain.
      Who wants to get our citizenship, who believes that he will be better in Russia than anywhere else, let him come and serve, I think it's good?
      That's just where, in which units, how much, and HOW the army will react to this, that's what you have to dance from.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 11 February 2014 06: 54
        +22
        Quote: mirag2
        That's just where, in which units, how much, and HOW the army will react to this, that's what you have to dance from.

        The guys in the army serve, not analyzing nationalities. There is only one criterion: - would I go with him in intelligence?
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      3. Witch
        Witch 11 February 2014 09: 57
        +7
        Quote: mirag2
        Military service in exchange for citizenship? There is a rational grain.


        This mechanism, which was actively penetrated by A.V. Kvashnin (at that time the NGS-PZMO), has already been introduced long ago. Only Armenians (102 military base) and Tajiks (201 military base) use this ... ((((
        1. Akim
          Akim 11 February 2014 10: 45
          0
          Quote: Witch
          This mechanism, which was actively penetrated by A.V. Kvashnin, has long been introduced

          Even ten years ago they called. No one went.
          1. terrible
            terrible 11 February 2014 11: 02
            +2
            zassali that they will send to the Caucasus) only the concentration camps should be protected by the Sykuns and you can. yes, in Iraq, aftershocks to clean up the tremors)
            1. Akim
              Akim 11 February 2014 11: 07
              -1
              Quote: formidable
              zassali that they will send to the Caucasus) only the concentration camps.

              No. It was necessary to go then to serve in Chechnya (for they recruited only there - 5 years in exchange for a Russian passport). The same concentration camp.
              1. Yuri Y.
                Yuri Y. 11 February 2014 12: 07
                +2
                You guys are nervous. Who wanted that earned. All life in Russia is earned by those who want. By the way, it’s easy, there is always someone to pay against Russia. Never ...
              2. Egevich
                Egevich 11 February 2014 12: 50
                +3
                Chechnya in 2004 - a concentration camp? it was a kindergarten at that time, well, not without risk, but not a meat grinder ... so excuses, excuses ...
                1. Akim
                  Akim 11 February 2014 12: 59
                  +1
                  In 2003? Year 14 has just begun. A concentration camp is not only Buchenwald, but also filtration camps in America.
            2. st.lt
              st.lt 11 February 2014 19: 17
              0
              zatstsat that your "military leaders" and politicians will sell the same as you for 30 pieces of silver
              1. Akim
                Akim 11 February 2014 19: 28
                0
                Quote: st.lt
                your "military leaders" and politicians will be sold the same way as you for 30 pieces of silver

                Are you offended that these 30 pieces of silver do not you pay?
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 11 February 2014 19: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: Akim
                  Are you offended that these 30 pieces of silver do not you pay?

                  And then ... They gathered the whole village - on the porch of the local church in turn stood laughing
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 11 February 2014 12: 45
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Even ten years ago they called. No one went.

            Something, somehow I don’t remember that Russia in the years you mentioned ACTIVELY and PURPOSELY pursued SUCH policy on the territory of "Nezalezhnaya" ...

            Where then is the reaction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, and most importantly the US State Department ???

            Something, my friend, you once again cheat ...
            And if not this waythen FACTS to the studio!
            1. Akim
              Akim 11 February 2014 12: 51
              +1
              Quote: Corsair
              Where then is the reaction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, and most importantly the US State Department ???

              What does the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry have to do with it? The proposal came to all the former republics. Do not know - keep quiet. There were no active politicians, but they themselves were. I, as a builder, say that time.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 11 February 2014 12: 58
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                What does the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry have to do with it?
                That is, the structures of a foreign state are conducting illegal activities in Ukraine and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs .. NOT WHY?!?
                Quote: Akim
                The proposal came to all the former republics. Do not know - keep quiet.
                Yes, because I DO NOT KNOW that there was no such offer.
                but it was
                Yes what IT?

                Prove the opposite, with materials and facts ...

                Quote: Corsair
                And if not, then FACTS in the studio!
                WHERE????????????????????????????
                1. Akim
                  Akim 11 February 2014 13: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  That is, the structures of a foreign state are conducting illegal activities in Ukraine and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs .. NOT WHY?!?

                  At our institute, 98/99th, specialists came to Yugoslavia to recruit specialists (for an apartment, title and citizenship). The scheme has long been worked out.
                  1. huginn
                    huginn 11 February 2014 13: 16
                    +2
                    And they recruited to Georgia in 2008.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 11 February 2014 13: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: huginn
                      And they recruited to Georgia in 2008.

                      Maybe. But these are not combatant servicemen.
                  2. Corsair
                    Corsair 11 February 2014 13: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: Akim
                    At our institute, the 98 / 99th specialists came to Yugoslavia to recruit specialists
                    And this went unnoticed by the command of the school, the special police officer and the SBU?
                    Or does Ukraine support state mercenarism at the state level?
                    Again according to the principle: "one Akim at the market he said "...
                    So all the same to Chechnya or Yugoslavia?
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 11 February 2014 13: 31
                      0
                      Quote: Corsair
                      So all the same to Chechnya or Yugoslavia?

                      What Hippolytus are you ..! These are different time frames and different events. On the eve of the sad events, they were recruiting Kugoslavs in Vosk. They immediately gave citizenship and the rank of lieutenant, and an apartment a year later.
                      And in Russia they offered to hire differently. And only to the ordinary staff.
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 11 February 2014 14: 10
                        +4
                        Quote: Akim
                        On the eve of sad events, the Ugoslavs were recruited to Vosk. They immediately gave citizenship and the rank of lieutenant, and an apartment a year later.

                        Hi Akim!
                        A good friend of mine (former president of "Arcadia") was there on this "UN line".
                      2. Corsair
                        Corsair 12 February 2014 14: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        What Hippolytus are you ..!
                        Maybe so ... But mine, this very "that ..." does not even give an opportunity to suppose that in Russia FOREIGN AGENTS so easily "hang around" in military schools ...

                        Well, yes, I almost forgot, in Ukraine it is encouraged ... THE UNFORGETTABLE "PICTURE" of the American Ambassador's presentation of shoulder straps to graduates of the SBU Academy ...
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 12 February 2014 14: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        But mine, this very "that ..." does not even allow us to suppose that in Russia FOREIGN AGENTS are so easily "hanging around" in military schools ...

                        Well, you don’t know how many Russian officers fought in Yugoslavia? And they were of different ages. But the fact is that EW, ASUV, are moving forward and retirees are not keeping up with them.
                        Who said it was on the school / institute? With 3 courses - free exit. 17.00 and home until 6.30 in the morning. Who wanted to go talk (2-3 people). But no one made a choice in this favor.
                      4. Corsair
                        Corsair 12 February 2014 23: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        Well you don't know how much Russian officersfought in Yugoslavia?
                        Officers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, or still persons who once served in the army and received the appropriate qualifications?

                        You are using the concept of OFFICER as a gypsy in the sun ...
                      5. Akim
                        Akim 13 February 2014 05: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Officers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, or still persons who once served in the army and received the appropriate qualifications?

                        Russia did not take part in that war, but volunteers, its citizens, were there.
                      6. Corsair
                        Corsair 13 February 2014 12: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        Well, you don’t know how many Russian officers fought in Yugoslavia?


                        Quote: Corsair
                        Officers of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, or still persons who once served in the army and received the appropriate qualifications?


                        Quote: Corsair
                        You are using the concept of OFFICER as a gypsy in the sun ...


                        Quote: Akim
                        Russia did not take part in that war, but volunteers, its citizens, were there.


                        Or maybe not officers at all, and not quite Russians, or did you mean something completely different and didn’t understand you correctly?

                        Quote: Corsair
                        Something, my friend, you once again cheat ...
                        And if not, then FACTS in the studio!


                        It is clear that DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE of attempts to recruit ZSU military personnel for service in Russia with you NO... So can it be more honest to admit this fact and stop the fruitless attempts to dodge, "save face"?
                      7. Akim
                        Akim 13 February 2014 13: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair
                        It is clear that you DO NOT have DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE attempts to recruit ZSU servicemen for service in Russia.

                        Honestly, I'm tired of arguing with YOU - FOR EVERYTHING. Therefore, I will not prove anything to you or will not tell. Do not want to - do not believe it. The past is that which is no longer there.
          3. Akim
            Akim 11 February 2014 13: 46
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            And this went unnoticed by the command of the school, the special police officer and the SBU?

            This is your personal right to quit and receive another citizenship, to serve in another army. Like pilots in Libya. They were not mercenaries, but citizens of Libya. As for the BUYERS. Naturally, they offered it all informally. But the Serbs, for example, in our specialty, needed EW specialists like air.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 11 February 2014 15: 35
      0
      Quote: Akim
      The proposal came to all the former republics.

      Akim, why are you against bully there will be expanse for Ukrainian intelligence bully under the id, agents will be sent and work will be added to the special forces in the Russian Armed Forces.
      1. Akim
        Akim 11 February 2014 15: 56
        0
        Quote: smersh70
        under the id they will send agents and work will be added to the special forces in the Russian Armed Forces

        I am not an enemy of Russia, and most, too. I didn’t even think about it.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 11 February 2014 16: 32
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          I am not an enemy of Russia, and most are also

          intelligence and counterintelligence has not yet been canceled. Brothers are brothers, and the state, or rather its structures should work, even against a friendly state))) There are many recent examples))) even Merkel wasn’t offended)) understands))) well, that’s the way.
      2. st.lt
        st.lt 11 February 2014 19: 21
        0
        But does it need this intelligence? The remaining professionals of the Russian Federation do not consider the enemy as the enemy, and the rest just sit on a thug in a warm place
  • Garyk701
    Garyk701 11 February 2014 11: 30
    +9
    And why did they decide that Ukrainians would want to serve in Russia? The Russians do not want, and the Ukrainians rushed. Russian citizenship is still a dubious gingerbread. Honey is not spread to anyone here. And no freebies.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 February 2014 11: 47
      +8
      Quote: Garyk701
      And why did they decide that Ukrainians would want to serve in Russia? The Russians do not want, and the Ukrainians rushed.

      Or maybe they would. Now the situation is such that they do not take into the army. And for many guys who have no work, their family is big, that would be a way out. Yes, just do not go hungry! And some kind of clearance in the future! So it's a perfectly possible option.
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      2. atalef
        atalef 11 February 2014 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        And for many guys who have no work, their family is big, that would be a way out. Yes, just do not go hungry! And some kind of clearance in the future! So it's a perfectly possible option.

        In general, they go to the Army to fulfill a patriotic duty and by vocation, in the end a person who feels his ownership of the people of Russia
        Sorry for the grub or salary - it's just mercenaries, if for citizenship - it's like Gurki in England or the Foreign Legion in France.
        What category would you classify Ukrainian troops in the Russian army?
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 11 February 2014 13: 01
          +6
          I dare to remind you that we -ONE people and MOTHERLAND among Russians and Ukrainians (Bandera does not count), ONE - RUSSIA!
          1. atalef
            atalef 11 February 2014 13: 04
            -6
            Quote: ia-ai00
            I dare to remind you that we are the ONE people

            The Russians and Ukrainians are not a single people and stop shaking this mantra.
            Quote: ia-ai00
            and HOMELAND among Russians and Ukrainians (Bandera does not count), ONE - RUSSIA

            Why not Ukraine? If the people are united, as you say, why not say that Ukrainians and Russians have one Motherland ---- Ukraine?
            By the way - Bandera is a nationality? Or is it the same Ukrainians?
            1. Ustas
              Ustas 11 February 2014 13: 52
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              The Russians and Ukrainians are not a single people and stop shaking this mantra.

              Who told you?
              The mantra in your head, the last stage.
              Quote: atalef
              Why not Ukraine? If the people are united, as you say, why not say that Ukrainians and Russians have one Motherland ---- Ukraine?

              Well, it is, Motherland alone, Russia. And Ukraine is a Russian land, as well as the Urals, Siberia, Pomerania, etc.
              And judging by the events that take place on your Maidan, you are there (on the Maidan) all temporary workers. So, I ask for mercy from my homeland, out.
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            2. ia-ai00
              ia-ai00 11 February 2014 15: 34
              +2
              History had to be taught at school, or at least read it now, then you wouldn’t be flogged! Kievan RUS, not Kiev "UkraiUS"!
              And Western Ukrainians are rabble, whose blood, who only is not there, and the mentality is far from the mentality of the RUSSIANs, and they are always drawn to Europe. (Again HISTORY needs to be studied).
              Yes, Bandera has a nation - fascists!
          2. Akim
            Akim 11 February 2014 13: 08
            -9
            Quote: ia-ai00
            ONE - RUSSIA!

            No.
          3. PSih2097
            PSih2097 11 February 2014 13: 38
            +4
            Quote: ia-ai00
            ONE - RUSSIA!

            Then Russia, she is Gardarika ...
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        2. st.lt
          st.lt 11 February 2014 19: 24
          0
          Well, for example, in Greek policies (and in the early Roman Empire), one could become a citizen not by birth, but only after serving in the army.
      3. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 11 February 2014 13: 29
        +3
        Quote: Egoza

        Or maybe they would. Now the situation is such that they do not take into the army. And for many guys who have no work, their family is big, that would be a way out. Yes, just do not go hungry! And some kind of clearance in the future! So it's a perfectly possible option.


        Elena good day! The service of Ukrainian citizens in the Russian army is not possible on the basis of Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        All comments on the VO, everything related to the situation in Ukraine
        goes automatically to contested discussions. In fact, Ukraine has ALREADY disintegrated, but what will happen if it is officially divided? And how to predict further? Well, Crimea, Donetsk, Odessa, Kharkov and all the others will vote for the "union with Russia". Is this a benefit for Russia? Morally - no doubt, but the rest ... Personally, I am for politicians who will ensure friendship with Russia, not in words, but in deeds.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          11 February 2014 13: 43
          +7
          Quote: Nikoha.2010
          Well, Crimea, Donetsk, Odessa, Kharkov and all the others will vote for the "union with Russia". Is this a benefit for Russia? Morally - undoubtedly, but otherwise ... Personally, I am for politicians who will ensure friendship with Russia, not in words, but in deeds.


          Lucky, Borka spared you in 1991. And if your father was serving in Ukraine at that time, and his family was here, and there would be no opportunity to leave for Russia, since although there are relatives there, there is no housing, not even a one-room apartment. And then they did not put a knife to the throat, they were allowed to write and speak in Russian, they gave passports. All around you are Russians, the sense of danger is dulled. The first textbooks on the history of Ukraine were compromise, with an eye to the East, and then month after month, and year after year, first Russian-language TV channels of Ukraine appeared, then mobile and bilingual, then Russian ones were turned off, but offered via cable ... And so slowly. And then one fine day, you look around, and half of your friends are already Russian-speaking Bandera or liberalists. It comes to the point of absurdity, those who speak surzhik and with Ukrainian surnames - speak for Russia, they are usually from villages. And those who speak pure Russian, and even with a Russian surname, are a Russophobe !!! And now, being in such a nightmare, knowing that the count has gone for years, when you can still keep the southeast in the "Russian world", you look with hope at the brothers of the Russians, the lucky ones whom Borka left in the Russian Federation in 1991, and did not give sovereignty. But they write to you: reconcile! you are citizens of Ukraine! melt in the boiler further, turn into Ukrainians!
          1. Nikoha.2010
            Nikoha.2010 11 February 2014 14: 02
            +7
            Vyacheslav hello! A little about myself: Born into a Russian family in the Arkhangelsk region in 1971. The father is an officer, (Vilnius Radio Engineering School), in 1975 they left for Hungary (YUGV), in 1981 in the Ukrainian SSR, Stryi, Lvov region. Father served in the RTV regiment (PrikVO). I served as a conscript in the ranks of the SA from 1989 to 1992. My father served all the calendars and did not take the Ukrainian oath, abandoning a two-room apartment, selling a motorcycle to Java, "left" in July 1992 for Russia (I had to leave no later than February or March 1992, I don’t remember). As they proved the citizenship of Russia, they lived in the village, and so on, I will not say anything ...
            1. Nevsky_ZU
              11 February 2014 14: 08
              +2
              Quote: Nikoha.2010
              Vyacheslav hello! A little about myself: Born into a Russian family in the Arkhangelsk region in 1971. The father is an officer, (Vilnius Radio Engineering School), in 1975 they left for Hungary (YUGV), in 1981 in the Ukrainian SSR, Stryi, Lviv region. Father served in the RTV regiment (PrikVO). I served as a conscript in the ranks of the SA from 1989 to 1992. Father served all the calendars and did not take the Ukrainian oath, abandoning a two-room apartment, selling a motorcycle to Java, "left" in July 1992 for Russia. As they proved the citizenship of Russia, they lived in the village, and so on, I will not say anything ...


              I accept the argument. Well done. So it was where to go after all. But your father would do it, being in the comfort zone for Russian culture:

              Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Donetsk, the city is the hero of Odessa, Simferopol, and the same resort Berdyansk? Even after the 22 of the year, they are no different from Russian cities, perhaps with a slight accent. But in the minds is completely different.
              1. Nikoha.2010
                Nikoha.2010 11 February 2014 14: 32
                +4
                Thanks Vyacheslav! We left for the MOTHERLAND! If yes, if only they might have lived ... we weren’t the only ones, and thank God there was where to go!
                1. Nevsky_ZU
                  11 February 2014 14: 40
                  +3
                  Catch the "+" wink
          2. zzz
            zzz 11 February 2014 14: 10
            +4
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            And now, being in such a nightmare, knowing that the count has gone for years, when you can still keep the southeast in the "Russian world", you look with hope at the brothers of the Russians, the lucky ones whom Borka left in the Russian Federation in 1991, and did not give sovereignty. But they write to you: humble yourself! you are citizens of Ukraine! melt in the cauldron, turn into Ukrainians!


            This is a cry from the soul !!! I would like Russia to hear this scream !!!
        2. Ustas
          Ustas 11 February 2014 13: 55
          +4
          Quote: Nikoha.2010
          Is there any benefit to this in Russia? Morally - no doubt, but the rest ...

          And the rest, too. Do not even hesitate. The main wealth of the state is its people.
        3. aviamed90
          aviamed90 11 February 2014 16: 38
          +2
          Nikoha.2010

          Federal Law of the Russian Federation "On conscription and military service" (as amended on November 25, 2013) (as amended on January 1, 2014)

          v. 2. Military service is carried out:

          by citizens - upon appeal and on a voluntary basis (under a contract);

          foreign citizens - under a contract in military posts to be replaced by soldiers, sailors, sergeants and foremen in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and military formations.
          (The paragraph as amended by the Federal Law of 19 December 2007 of December 4 of the Year N 2007-ФЗ; as amended by the Federal Law of March 328 of 15 of March 2013 of the year N 4-ФЗ.
          (Clause as amended by the Federal Law of November 15 of November 2003 of November 11 of the year N 2003-ФЗ

          v. 3. Citizens (foreign citizens) who are in military service are military personnel and have the status established by federal law. (clause supplemented by 15 on November 2003 of the year with Federal Law of 11 on November 2003 of the year N 141-ФЗ * 2.3)

          Article 4 Citizens (foreign citizens) doing military service are subject to compulsory state fingerprinting registration in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation (clause was additionally included from November 9, 2000 by Federal Law of November 7, 2000 N 135-FZ; supplemented from April 29, 2004 year by Federal Law of April 26, 2004 N 29-FZ. * 2.4) "


          Constitution of the Russian Federation:

          "Article 59

          1. Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and duty of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

          2. A citizen of the Russian Federation bears military service in accordance with federal law.

          3. A citizen of the Russian Federation, in the event that his convictions or religion is contrary to military service, as well as in other cases established by federal law, has the right to replace it with an alternative civilian service. "

          Where is the contradiction?
          1. Nikoha.2010
            Nikoha.2010 11 February 2014 18: 00
            0
            aviamed90

            The difference in the text of the oath according to article 40 of the Federal Law of the Russian Federation "On conscription and military service":
            2. The following text of the Military Oath is approved:
            "I, (surname, name, patronymic), solemnly swear allegiance to my Fatherland - the Russian Federation.
            I swear to observe the Constitution of the Russian Federation, strictly comply with the requirements of military regulations, orders of commanders and commanders.
            I swear to fulfill my military duty with dignity and courageously defend freedom, independence and the constitutional order of Russia, the people and the Fatherland. "
            3. The soldier being a foreign citizenfirst enlisted in the Russian Federation gives an obligation.
            The following commitment text is approved:
            "I, (surname, name, patronymic), give the obligation to comply with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, strictly comply with the requirements of military regulations, orders of commanders and chiefs, and fulfill my military duty with dignity."

            That is, foreigners enlisting in the Armed Forces only accept the obligation to comply with the Russian Constitution, the requirements of military regulations and orders of commanders.
            Thank you, I honestly did not know about changes in the Federal Law + hi
    2. svp67
      svp67 11 February 2014 13: 12
      +4
      Quote: Garyk701
      And why did they decide that Ukrainians would want to serve in Russia? The Russians do not want, and the Ukrainians rushed. Russian citizenship is still a dubious gingerbread.
      How to say it more precisely:
      1. There is not so much Russian citizenship as a financial factor. In our Army, nevertheless, they pay well by the standards of Ukraine ... Secondly, getting military experience, upon arrival home, these guys will eagerly offer themselves to numerous "recruiters" who work in the territory of Ukraine in great numbers. And since the army of Ukraine has now been reduced to "no", then where else to get military specialties?
  • S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 11 February 2014 11: 43
    -2
    Quote: mirag2
    Military service in exchange for citizenship?
    There is a rational grain.
    Who wants to get our citizenship, who believes that he will be better in Russia than anywhere else, let him come and serve, I think it's good?

    Too idealized. If, of course, you believe the mantra from the article "Now slowly or quickly, but the Russian army is reborn." Then of course the army will digest foreign citizens and make them a patriot. Only this has nothing to do with reality.
    Firstly, after the activities of Serdyukov and his master, the army is perhaps not at death. Well, if you didn’t die, then of course it’s objected! But how much more does she need to revive after what has been done to her!
    So, foreign elements in a recovering (as it were) organism - are very dangerous!

    Well, we will train Chechens and Ingush to fight in our army, and what next?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eldg_YIt03I
    already teaching by the way fool

    As for citizenship, I would generally prohibit people who did not serve in the army from voting and holding public posts!
    But all this is lyrics, dripping into small topics that in themselves will not change anything, while a matrix of Western values ​​reigns in the minds of the Russian people. The people are sick, and with the sick people a strong state cannot be built.

    To whom this topic is interesting, I advise you to read the books of S. Kara-Murza - in my opinion the greatest philosopher of our time. The truth is hard to read, because knowledge should not be given easily. hi
    1. matross
      matross 11 February 2014 11: 51
      +2
      Quote: S_mirnov
      I would generally forbid people who did not serve in the army to vote and hold government posts!

      Women and people are probably very different things, in your opinion laughing
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 11 February 2014 12: 19
        +6
        Quote: matRoss
        Women and people are probably very different things, in your opinion

        No, women are also people, they can also serve.
        I believe that only real citizens who are willing to risk their lives for the state can be allowed to governing the state (voting, referendum, public posts). The rest do not have the right to influence the life of citizens and the state.

        Warfare is now so multifaceted that everyone in their right mind can serve.
        1. matross
          matross 11 February 2014 12: 22
          +1
          And the disabled? Roosevelt, for example, was generally paralytic ... However, your idea is understandable, and in general, hello. But too categorical, i.e. black and white. hi
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 11 February 2014 13: 00
            +2
            Quote: matRoss
            disabled? Roosevelt, for example, was generally paralytic ..

            And where did you get the idea that people with disabilities cannot serve? Gone are the days when you had to wave a mace.
            Quote: matRoss
            But too categorical, i.e. black and white.

            And hard times - require cool categorical decisions! If you want to change something, you have to act. If you don’t want to act, don’t expect changes in your direction, because others will act.
        2. kosmos84
          kosmos84 11 February 2014 13: 29
          +3
          it is right who did not serve the right to double inappropriately and forbid nulliparous women too
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 11 February 2014 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: matRoss
        Women and people are probably very different things, in your opinion

        In addition to those men who did not serve, prohibit women who have less than three children from voting and holding public office.
        1. matross
          matross 11 February 2014 12: 41
          +2
          Setrac
          Forgive me, but I repeat. And if there is no opportunity to give birth? You propose too radical restrictions.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 11 February 2014 13: 01
            +2
            Quote: matRoss
            Setrac
            Forgive me, but I repeat. And if there is no opportunity to give birth? You propose too radical restrictions.

            Well, in the sense that if you forbid those who did not serve, then you need to pay attention to those who did not give birth.
      3. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 11 February 2014 21: 20
        0
        Quote: matRoss
        Women and people are probably very different things, in your opinion

        Woman = female (Ukrainian.). Man = cholovik (Ukrainian.) You did not know?
        1. matross
          matross 11 February 2014 21: 39
          0
          11111
          Well, here a little about that. We talked about Russia
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 11 February 2014 14: 27
    +2
    Quote: mirag2
    That's just where, in which units, how much, and HOW the army will react to this, that's what you have to dance from.


    There are no problems here. My son-in-law is a Ukrainian officer of the Russian army serving in the Strategic Missile Forces, and all our Strategic Missile Forces to this day there are probably no less than a third of Ukrainians by nationality. At least I served at the time of independence. We had officers of the Kazakhs, the Baltic states, not speaking about the Uzbek soldiers who immediately fled. As I remember the show with the adoption of the Oath by the Uzbeks, it is funny and sad. So our "ho-am" began to receive postcards with "trident", but no one was flattered to serve in the independent ukroarmiya, I see no problems with obtaining citizenship for ordinary contract soldiers.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      11 February 2014 14: 41
      0
      Thank you ascetic. Your opinion matters. good
    2. angolaforever
      angolaforever 11 February 2014 15: 46
      +4
      I don’t understand why the Ukrainian boy should get Russian citizenship if his house, family, connections remain in Ukraine? To leave the unit naked-barefoot, without housing, but with a Russian passport? I can also understand this proposal for those who decide to devote their lives to the army and enroll in military schools.
    3. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 11 February 2014 20: 22
      +1
      Yes, and all of our Strategic Rocket Forces to this day there are probably no less than a third of Ukrainians by nationality
      I join you and add on my own that the Northern Fleet was considered the most "Ukrainian" fleet. After demobilization, I am a native Russian, I spoke with a Ukrainian accent that at first I was mistaken for a Ukrainian. hi
  • smersh70
    smersh70 11 February 2014 15: 30
    0
    Quote: mirag2
    Who wants to get our citizenship, who believes that he will be better in Russia than anywhere else, let him come and serve, I think it's good?

    .a and then send troops to Ukraine under the guise of protecting their compatriots, as was the case in South Ossetia wassat class ...........
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 11 February 2014 15: 38
      +2
      Old man, aren't Empires created like that!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 11 February 2014 16: 27
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        Old man, aren't Empires created like that!

        Dan, who came up with an empire to create smile
    2. sanek45744
      sanek45744 11 February 2014 16: 13
      -1
      and what do you know about South Ossetia in general! ??? you who do not have their own land !!! We came there by the way our peacekeepers and civilians were killed, and what’s so mean !!!!!! so close your mouth and don’t dare to open it here !!!!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 11 February 2014 16: 25
        0
        Quote: sanek45744
        so close your mouth and don’t dare to open it here !!!!
        firstly, they don’t speak here, but write. Secondly, choose an expression. If moderators pose, and I will answer you that way, your ears will be loosened.

        Quote: sanek45744
        you who do not have your own land

        it’s not for you to judge who has land, but who does not.
        Quote: sanek45744
        We came there by killing our peacekeepers

        there’s another topic, but I’ll prove to you (I just don’t want to make a fool here ..) that at the beginning no one shot them and 2 comrades with the GRU did everything by starting inflammatory shooting against the advancing ones. If you do not believe it, go to milkavkaz website. net in the war section 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX everything is there, everything is chewed and there is a video.
        1. sanek45744
          sanek45744 11 February 2014 16: 56
          -2
          Well, to begin with, I say how I think it is necessary and I don’t need anyone’s directions and don’t need to frighten me. I can say the same thing, so I don’t need to do it here! I do not judge this, do not judge only you what to judge here !!!! here is odds and we express our thoughts to each other! I don’t go to such ov sites !!!
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 11 February 2014 16: 26
        +3
        "Sanyok", why is this? Vurgun is a literate and savvy man! And he loves Russia no less than ours! And he married a Belarusian! No need for insults, we all come from the USSR. We were brought up the same
        1. sanek45744
          sanek45744 11 February 2014 17: 00
          -2
          I'm already sick of this whole tolerance !!!! how can a foreigner love my Russia! ??? how can he love what he does not have !!!! I have seen enough of such !!!! or you don’t have enough blood of our Russian guys what these lovers made! ???
          1. matross
            matross 11 February 2014 20: 47
            +1
            Quote: sanek45744
            how can a foreigner love my Russia! ??? how can he love what he does not have !!!

            And the boy is generally inadequate. Or drunk? Sick him again ... wassat
            1. sanek45744
              sanek45744 11 February 2014 20: 58
              -2
              Well, you don’t want to discuss, but you can write dirty tricks! ??? you are a low man, and it’s softly said !! it’s a pity that I’m not writing here everything that I think about you
              1. matross
                matross 11 February 2014 21: 52
                0
                sledge
                I did not write dirty tricks. Just suggested that you fly by. It happens to everyone? If I made a mistake, so much the worse for you. Your opinion of me, besides you, does not bother anyone, do not dust.
  • GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 11 February 2014 13: 43
    +2
    Quote: Civil
    Only by creating military bases in Ukraine

    Prohibited by law.
    Article 17 Part 6 On the territory of Ukraine, the location of foreign military bases is not allowed.
    The base of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol is unique, because for the sake of circumventing the legislation Sevastopol was awarded the title of a city of national importance. And this will not happen again for all known reasons ..
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 11 February 2014 16: 55
      0
      GastaClaus69

      Site "delfi.ua", article "Lytvyn: Politicians should read the Constitution - Yanukovych did not violate it" dated 21.04.2010:

      "The new agreement on the duration of the stay of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine does not contradict the Constitution," Speaker Volodymyr Lytvyn believes. "This should be taken as an objective reality, as inevitability," he said in an interview with Interfax-Ukraine.

      “I take the responsibility to assert that, in legal terms, Ukraine did not give its areas to anyone so that they could equip their military bases there, I mean, to foreign states,” Lytvyn said.

      The speaker recalled that the Transitional Provisions of the Constitution stipulated that the use of existing military bases on the territory of Ukraine for the temporary stay of foreign military forces is possible on a rental basis in the manner determined by international treaties of Ukraine ratified by the Verkhovna Rada.

      "I read these two provisions of the Constitution in such a way that the Ukrainian government has no right to give away territories or cities so that foreign states would equip their bases there," he said.

      "At the same time, I understand the Constitution in such a way that Ukraine can, on lease terms and on the basis of an international agreement, transfer its own military bases for temporary stay at these bases of foreign military formations," Lytvyn stressed.

      The speaker recalled the documents adopted in 1991 by which all military formations, property and bases of the USSR located on the territory of Ukraine became the property of the Ukrainian state. "Ukraine, as a state, being the owner, including of all military bases, has the right to permit the temporary stay of foreign troops on a lease basis," the speaker said.

      Lytvyn called on politicians who talk about "selling national interests" to read the Constitution correctly.

      On April 21, Ukraine and Russia agreed to extend the stay of the Russian Black Sea Fleet at the Sevastopol base for 25 years - until 2042. The corresponding agreement was signed in Kharkov by Presidents Viktor Yanukovych and Dmitry Medvedev. "
  • siberalt
    siberalt 11 February 2014 06: 28
    +17
    A good idea! Why not. In Russia, there are many universities and colleges in which foreigners from all over the world study and nothing. Everything is according to the law. Why not create a couple of dozen military educational institutions for foreigners with priority admission of Ukrainian guys? Yes, and create a kernel. There are no details so far.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 11 February 2014 12: 36
      -1
      Quote: siberalt
      Why shouldn't the MO create a couple of dozen military schools for foreigners with priority admission of Ukrainian guys?

      Do you propose to saturate the TEAM COMPOSITION of our army by foreigners? Yes you are crazy. Let them serve urgent.
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    3. atalef
      atalef 11 February 2014 12: 40
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      Why shouldn't the MO create a couple of dozen military schools for foreigners with priority admission of Ukrainian guys? Yes, and create a kernel. It is so far without details

      Actually, should the citizens of the country serve in the army, or do you think foreigners will lay down their lives for a foreign homeland?
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 11 February 2014 16: 28
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        o should the citizens of the country serve in the army, or do you think foreigners will put life for someone else’s homeland?

        Now, if there would be an article here about the foreign legion of France, then they would write something completely different smile
  • Duke
    Duke 11 February 2014 06: 31
    +9
    Interesting idea.
  • Mihail29
    Mihail29 11 February 2014 06: 36
    +11
    I agree with the author, not by washing, so you should attract Ukraine to yourself. If you do not want to sign bilateral integration documents, you need to integrate it unilaterally, at least as the author suggests.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 11 February 2014 07: 31
      +10
      Quote: Michael29
      I agree with the author, not by washing, so you should attract Ukraine to yourself.

      Do not wash and skate. And based on good neighborly relations. It is time to restore historical justice. The fact is that at the beginning of the 1897th century, RUSSIANs meant all ethnic groups of the East European Slavs: Great Russians, Little Russians, and Belarusians. Accordingly, in the encyclopedia of Brockhaus and Efron it was written: "The Russian language is divided into three main ADVENTURES: a) Great Russian, b) Little Russian and c) Belarusian." The same encyclopedia indicates that the percentage of the Russian population according to the 72,5 census was XNUMX%. That is, it was the Russians who were considered the nation, and not the Great Russians, Little Russians or Belarusians, who were listed only as subnational groups. Thus we are called to forget that we are ONE NATION. False historical distortions are persistently imposing on us. Perhaps crawl through.
    2. atalef
      atalef 11 February 2014 13: 06
      -1
      Quote: Michael29
      I agree with the author, not by washing, so you should attract Ukraine to yourself. If you do not want to sign bilateral integration documents, you need to integrate it unilaterally, at least as the author suggests.

      And how can you integrate unilaterally?
      1. matross
        matross 11 February 2014 13: 12
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        And how can you integrate unilaterally?

        Well, it’s, like, if a boy with a girl, then it’s two-way, and if one boy, then you can quietly and one-sided ... integrate laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 11 February 2014 13: 30
          0
          Quote: matRoss
          and if one boy, then you can quietly and one-sidedly ... integrate

          is it like an anecdote?
          Vasily Ivanovich put on a white hat and walks. Petka meets him. - Well, Vasil Ivanovich, you are directly Jawaharlal Nehru! - Firstly, not Nehru, but Nyuru, and secondly it’s not yours, Petka cares, whom I javaharlal there!
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  • waisson
    waisson 11 February 2014 06: 41
    +9
    I'm all for it. A sensible working people, but their loafers and parasites from the North Caucasus would be sent to the construction sites of the Urals and Siberia to conquer and master their vastness and learn to respect the work of their fellow citizens, it's time to tear them from subsidized boobs.
    1. RUS96
      RUS96 11 February 2014 10: 25
      0
      We don’t need to visit the URAL! Somehow without them!
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 February 2014 13: 08
        0
        Quote: RUS96
        We don’t need to visit the URAL! Somehow without them!

        why?
        our friend from Kazakhstan writes
        Quote: ia-ai00
        I dare to remind you that we are the ONE people
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 11 February 2014 22: 02
          0
          I mean - RUSSIANS and UKRAINIANS are ONE PEOPLE, and where do the parasites from the North Caucasus?
  • vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 11 February 2014 07: 09
    +5
    Where to start!
    1. Anper
      Anper 11 February 2014 15: 55
      -1
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      Where to start!

      So there is something. Here the Greek - Catholics turned out in full swing - material assistance to parishioners, the placement of children of parishioners for study with subsequent employment in Poland, etc. and so on. (Sectarians - a separate article.) But after Kirill's visits to the ZU, they began to build MP churches and continue to build them. Of course, they have different tasks here, but they could also do this. By the way, this is one of the options for attracting the so-called newly minted "Banderaites" - many of them are from villages, well-raised by their parents, they can go to any church, but the MP churches consider theirs - which means invested in childhood. This is how they say "our church is not ours, but not ours ". And not everyone goes to the CP, although they don't advertise it too much.
      By the way, this is the only church where they do not allow themselves sermons with a national - political connotation. For that I respect.
  • demel2
    demel2 11 February 2014 07: 10
    +9
    It was already in the late 90s that there was talk of involving Churkov with the SA in the army for citizenship, then it seemed nonsense to me. But the idea with the Ukrainians is very good. Will they only go. I think that it is necessary to put all kinds of benefits on equal terms.
  • 31231
    31231 11 February 2014 07: 50
    +4
    I am for it.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 11 February 2014 07: 58
    +6
    Everything here has long been invented, it is called "Foreign Legion" in France. Why not, call it the "Slavic Legion", the "Soviet Union" or "Sparta" corps, where contract soldiers would serve. With all this, it is impossible to ruin the conscription service, where the very motivation should be honored and duty, in the defense of the Fatherland. In addition to the competent use of contract soldiers, and the attraction of Russian and Russian-speaking citizens from neighboring countries to contract service, the issue of urgent service must also be resolved, a year is clearly not enough. The prospect of a complete transition of our army to a contract, I think, would be a mistake, we should not go to extremes so as not to repeat the fate of the army of ancient Rome, and we should not look back at the Yankees and Britons, it is easier for them beyond the English Channel and the Atlantic, especially when the USA the dollars themselves print.
    1. zzz
      zzz 11 February 2014 08: 12
      +8
      Quote: Per se.
      "Slavic Legion"


      It would be great! Only Putin would have thrown a thread at that idea ..
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    3. matross
      matross 11 February 2014 08: 58
      +6
      Quote: Per se.
      "Slavic Legion", "Soviet Union" or "Sparta" corps

      What for? Let them serve in ordinary parts and feel part of a single whole, Greater Russia. And Russian-speaking in Ukraine is everything. As well as in Belarus and Moldova. Separate parts (only small) can be created for Asians.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 11 February 2014 10: 56
        +2
        Quote: matRoss
        Let them serve in ordinary parts and feel part of a single whole, Greater Russia.
        Yes, if the Russian lands unite, and indigenous Russia (Little Russia) will again become part of a united Russia. Without this, our Russian guys, whether you want it or not, are formally citizens of another state. If our laws allow this, for God's sake, let them serve, but together with our guys, and not instead of them.
        1. Akim
          Akim 11 February 2014 11: 03
          -5
          Quote: Per se.
          Yes, if the Russian lands unite, and indigenous Russia (Little Russia) will again become part of a united Russia

          Give the Germans Koenigsberg and Pillau? I don’t think so.
          1. matross
            matross 11 February 2014 11: 41
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Yes, if the Russian lands unite, and indigenous Russia (Little Russia) will again become part of a united Russia

            Give the Germans Koenigsberg and Pillau? I don’t think so.

            Here about the unification of Russia. The parallels are misplaced. There are no more such cities and will never be. Ask your "friends" the Poles - do they want to return Silesia to the Germans? And those who do not want to live in Russia will have to look for another planet. Nobody wants you anymore ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 11 February 2014 11: 45
              0
              Quote: matRoss
              Ask your "friends" the Poles - do they want to return Silesia to the Germans?

              Not. But they and Galicia do not demand back (unfortunately ...)
              1. matross
                matross 11 February 2014 11: 47
                0
                akim
                Do you want to live in Poland ?! In stepchildren ?! The Poles greatly "respect" you.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 11 February 2014 11: 53
                  0
                  Quote: matRoss
                  In stepchildren ?! The Poles greatly "respect" you.

                  They are treated as equals (personally noticed). But I do not want to live in Poland. I'm fine here.
                  1. matross
                    matross 11 February 2014 12: 00
                    +2
                    Let me not believe you about equality. A "good" in relation to the current West. Ukraine is naked idealism. Maybe you misunderstand "what is good and what is bad"? wink
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 11 February 2014 12: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: matRoss
                      Let you not believe about equality

                      I have been to Poland several times. I worked with Polish tourists in Odessa. Of course, there are different people in Russia as well. But on an equal footing.
                      1. Nevsky_ZU
                        11 February 2014 12: 11
                        +1
                        Of course there is ... are you talking about those Polish radio presenters?

                      2. Akim
                        Akim 11 February 2014 12: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                        Are you talking about those Polish leading radio stations?

                        You can take such an example. They, by the way, were fired from Eska radio.
                    2. matross
                      matross 11 February 2014 12: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Akim
                      But on an equal footing.

                      Well, I didn’t mean that they spit in your face and make you clean your shoes stop
                      Russian Poles do not like either, no one will argue with this and this is mutual. But faced with the Poles in life, we do not rush into a fight at each other.
                      But, God forbid, you find yourself in Poland, as a national territory. Become the third grade. This applies to all Russians. Even those who are not offended by the contemptuous Austrian nickname ... well, you understand which one. hi
                    3. Akim
                      Akim 11 February 2014 12: 32
                      0
                      Quote: matRoss
                      But, God forbid, you find yourself in Poland, as a national territory. Become the third grade.

                      I advise you not to take anything in the morning. With what fright will Ukraine become a Polish parish / province? Apparently, you were completely intimidated there. Do as I do. Do not read local newspapers about politics.
                    4. matross
                      matross 11 February 2014 12: 46
                      0
                      Quote: Akim
                      I advise you not to take anything in the morning.

                      Do not be rude, do not be humbled. This is a speculative assumption. You yourself wished that it was only speculative
                      Quote: Akim
                      Ask your "friends" the Poles - do they want to return Silesia to the Germans?
                      Not. But they and Galicia do not demand back (unfortunately ...)

                      now speak
                      Quote: Akim
                      With a fright

                      How to understand you?
                    5. Akim
                      Akim 11 February 2014 12: 54
                      -1
                      Quote: matRoss
                      How to understand you?

                      If they demanded, then Ukraine would unite against an external enemy. I and Romanian claims in Transcarpathia are waiting.
                    6. matross
                      matross 11 February 2014 13: 04
                      0
                      Akim
                      I understood the subject of your regrets. There is no sensible enemy. Is Russia, therefore, not an enemy? Since it does not lead to the unification of Ukraine, although it is clear to everyone that it wants to annex it, preferably entirely.
                2. sanek45744
                  sanek45744 11 February 2014 13: 03
                  +2
                  but you doubt it! ??? you are being turned around as they want, and not the owners, but their puppets, it's about Poland! so you have long become a country of grade 3 !!!!
                3. Akim
                  Akim 11 February 2014 13: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: sanek45744
                  ! so you have long become a country of grade 3 !!!!

                  And do you want the citizens of Ukraine to appreciate your friendship?
                4. matross
                  matross 11 February 2014 13: 20
                  +1
                  Akim
                  Back in the 90s, Russia was also the backyard of the world. Do not be offended, dear "citizens of Ukraine", this is not about you, but rather about your "leaders and kings" who have brought the country to such a deplorable state. hi
                5. Akim
                  Akim 11 February 2014 13: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: matRoss
                  Do not be offended, dear "citizens of Ukraine", this is not about you, but rather about your "leaders and kings" who have brought the country to such a deplorable state.

                  But only in Russia they do not like Saaakashvili alone. And to all Georgians, this applies.
                6. sanek45744
                  sanek45744 11 February 2014 14: 10
                  0
                  aa this is how it looks !!!! we do not love turns out !! Is not Georgia rejecting diplomatic relations with Russia! ???? Didn’t Georgia go to kill our citizens and our peacekeepers in 2008! ??? Isn’t she helping assassins in the North Caucasus! ??? and we should love them after that !! if you want to tell us they spit in our faces, but we must wipe ourselves and smile in response !!!!! This is NEVER EVER !!! but you just spit and you probably like it !!! invite one more time your bear to the Maidan !!!! he can still teach you something there !!!
                7. Akim
                  Akim 11 February 2014 18: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: sanek45744
                  but you just spit and you probably like it !!! invite one more time your bear to the Maidan !!!!

                  In-in. What I’m talking about. All Georgians came to slaughter Ossetians and all citizens of Ukraine on the Maidan.
                8. sanek45744
                  sanek45744 11 February 2014 19: 12
                  0
                  well no ! Georgian army arrived in Ossetia !! and on the Maidan a bunch of fascists! there are ordinary people who believed in the words of Western puppets !!
                9. Akim
                  Akim 11 February 2014 19: 20
                  0
                  Quote: sanek45744
                  well no ! Georgian army arrived in Ossetia !!

                  She herself came without an order? Or in the ranks of police on Grushevsky, everyone supports Yanukovych? But they are our end ... I (bad) opposition: Atu their Autu!
                  But in fact, there is no difference between them. you just like some, others not.
                10. sanek45744
                  sanek45744 11 February 2014 19: 39
                  0
                  by order !!! Yes, I think in the ranks of the police not everyone agrees with the policies of the previous regime, but they protect not only the regime but also ordinary citizens of Kiev from groups of thugs! With this you agree with me !! ?? no, I don’t like anyone there! Yanukovych is a coward, and those who are idle talk on the Maidan! I think you will agree with this too! as for the whole Maidan, well, a civilized society doesn’t come to power in the same way, and not the wild age! and now it looks like that! and if not, you need to check it in the elections and not roll back to the last century
                11. Akim
                  Akim 11 February 2014 19: 45
                  0
                  Quote: sanek45744
                  yes I think in the ranks of the police not everyone agrees with the policies of the previous regime

                  We are not MODE. Moreover, this is not the previous government. And the government quarter, this is not the whole of Kiev.
                  It's not about that. One must be able to separate power from society (otherwise it turns out all Georgians are byaky).
                12. sanek45744
                  sanek45744 11 February 2014 20: 28
                  0
                  Well, under the regime, I meant the power that is now in power, so if something is wrong do not blame me !!!! at the expense of the branch, maybe you are right! I agree with this, and I’m not interfering with the same dirt !! but I have one question, but doesn’t the chosen power show the mood of the people! ???
                13. Akim
                  Akim 11 February 2014 20: 57
                  0
                  Quote: sanek45744
                  but I have one question, but doesn’t the chosen power show the mood of the people! ???

                  Not always and not all.
  • matross
    matross 11 February 2014 18: 37
    0
    Quote: Akim
    in Russia, they do not like Saaakashvili alone. And to all Georgians, this applies.

    This is not true. It extends to all Georgians only among the marginalized part of society. And even then, partially.
    PS Do not pay attention to the cries of adolescents - extreme radicalism is one of the manifestations of the physiology of the puberty period. Some, however, drags on ...
  • sanek45744
    sanek45744 11 February 2014 19: 17
    -2
    oo here it seemed a tolerant miracle !!!!! Well, tell me what it is you like Georgians for example! ???
  • matross
    matross 11 February 2014 19: 44
    0
    Quote: sanek45744
    sanek45744

    Do not be rude, dear. I will not discuss with you. It makes no sense.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 11 February 2014 12: 24
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    I have been to Poland several times. I worked with Polish tourists in Odessa.

    Try to at least skimp on the question of Russia-Poland-Ukraine relations, their history and prospects in a conversation with the Poles ... The rhetoric "from their side" will be 100% similar to the rhetoric of the Galitsians regarding the "Skhidnyakiv" or Russia.


    A new vision of the question will open for you.
  • matross
    matross 11 February 2014 12: 37
    0
    Yes, at least remember the Baltics. They do not understand there - some kind of Russian - small-white-even black! - an occupier and a non-citizen with a disability. And the surname in the passport is being rechecked. So the whole world, this is what we have invented among ourselves, but our neighbors, "well-wishers" pour oil in purely their own interests. Like - you’re not Russian at all, you are proud Ukrainians, welcome to us in Europe! And how to buy - in Europe you will immediately understand who you are ...
  • Akim
    Akim 11 February 2014 12: 43
    -2
    Quote: matRoss
    Yes, even remember the Baltic states. They don’t make out there - such a Russian - small-white-even black!

    Familiar in Lithuania lived for several years. These are all slander.
  • Akim
    Akim 11 February 2014 12: 38
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    Try to at least skidly "touch" in a conversation with Poles the issue of Russia-Poland-Ukraine relations, their history and prospects

    And such conversations were conducted. Different opinions. Poles historically do not like Russia, but in everyday life they do not oppose Russia against Ukraine. although in many Polish articles Ukraine is an ally of Poland and an enemy of Russia. This is because the bulk of the Poles do not leave the Carpathians as tourists.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 11 February 2014 12: 49
    0
    Quote: Akim
    This is because the bulk of the Poles do not leave the Carpathians as tourists.
    Yes, no ... This is because the Pole has historically incorporated the idea of ​​Ukraine as a Polish patrimony. And they do not advance beyond this, not the Carpathians.
  • Akim
    Akim 11 February 2014 13: 00
    -2
    Quote: Corsair
    the Pole has historically laid the concept of Ukraine as a Polish patrimony


    Bullshit. Tales of propaganda.
  • sanek45744
    sanek45744 11 February 2014 13: 00
    +3
    in Western Europe, for example, in Germany, Poles are considered second-class people! and Poles consider you even lower! and fairy tales about equality, keep it to yourself !!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Akim
      Akim 11 February 2014 13: 10
      -1
      Quote: sanek45744
      ! and the Poles consider you even lower

      Have you ever talked with a Pole?
      1. Anper
        Anper 11 February 2014 13: 58
        0
        We talked and continue to communicate - not once, but systematically. There are, but there is enough of this that Poles consider you even lower
      2. Akim
        Akim 11 February 2014 14: 02
        0
        Quote: Anper
        We talked and continue to talk

        Who are "we? Tsar of all ...?
      3. Anper
        Anper 11 February 2014 15: 43
        +2
        The niece is married to a Pole, a cousin works in Poland,
        2 classmates and 7 classmates in the same place and in the same status. without exception, the whole city goes to work for the summer on strawberries, etc., personally we go for groceries - it is cheaper there, for shopping - a visa. To list all?
      4. Akim
        Akim 11 February 2014 16: 00
        +1
        Quote: Anper
        it’s cheaper there, on a shopping visa. To list all?

        I get it now. Although I do not change my opinion.
      5. Anper
        Anper 11 February 2014 16: 21
        +2
        Add to your opinion one touch - regardless of the views on Ukraine, Ukrainians, Russia and Russians, they are eager to eat vodka in such a way that none of the Russians and Ukrainians dreamed.
      6. Akim
        Akim 11 February 2014 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: Anper
        They are eager to eat vodka so that none of the Russians and Ukrainians dreamed.

        Yes. But Polish tourists in Odessa, sat down on cognac
  • st.lt
    st.lt 11 February 2014 19: 46
    0
    do not, do not belong, "boar" is called
  • zzz
    zzz 11 February 2014 13: 55
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Not. But they and Galicia do not demand back (unfortunately ...)


    And so there was a general opinion about Galicia - it turns out that nobody wants to take her for nothing. And they all shout and shout on the Maidan - give us freedom!
  • Setrac
    Setrac 11 February 2014 12: 38
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Give the Germans Koenigsberg and Pillau? I don’t think so.

    Take back the lands of the Slav Slavs?
    It is the right of any person to not think, write without thinking.
    1. Akim
      Akim 11 February 2014 12: 44
      +1
      Quote: Setrac
      It is the right of any person to not think, write without thinking.

      Is linguistics and punctuation all right?
  • atalef
    atalef 11 February 2014 13: 16
    +1
    Quote: Per se.
    Why not, call it the "Slavic Legion", the "Soviet Union" or "Sparta" corps, where contract soldiers would serve

    Well, if Slavic - then all Slavs

    Ukrainians
    Belarusians
    Poles
    Czechs
    Slovaks
    Luzhichane
    Kashuba
    Bulgarians
    Macedonians
    Serbs
    Croats
    Slovenian
    Bosnians
    Montenegrins
    Moravians
    Poleshchuk
    Pomors
    Rusyns [4]
    Silesians
    Slovintsy [5]

    if the Soviet Union - then all 190 (in my nationality
    If SPARTA - I do not know why you liked this name so much - Spartans like that little left
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      11 February 2014 13: 30
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      atalef

      Quote: atalef
      Well, if Slavic - then all Slavs

      Ukrainians
      Belarusians
      Poles
      Czechs
      Slovaks
      Luzhichane
      Kashuba
      Bulgarians
      Macedonians
      Serbs
      Croats
      Slovenian
      Bosnians
      Montenegrins
      Moravians
      Poleshchuk
      Pomors
      Rusyns [4]
      Silesians
      Slovintsy [5]

      if the Soviet Union - then all 190 (in my nationality
      If SPARTA - I do not know why you liked this name so much - Spartans like that little left


      atalef, dear, stop doing trolling. What did you bring the list of Slavs? It is about the divided Russian people. Take the telephone directory of Lugansk, and it will not differ from the directory of Voronezh. What nonsense are you writing? What nah .. Slovenians? In my Russian city of Berdyansk there are no Slovenes! And there is not even Rusyns! There are Ivanovs and Petrovs, and sometimes Russian-speaking Ukrainians Sidorchuki, as in Russia. What kind of nonsense are you pouring at the mill?
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 February 2014 13: 40
        +1
        [quote = Nevsky_ZU] Take the telephone directory of Lugansk, and it will not be any different from the directory of Voronezh
        In my Russian city of Berdyansk quote]
        [quote] Berdyansk,
        Ethnic composition: Ukrainian - 70,8%, Russians - 24,7%, Bulgarians - 1,4%, Belarusians - 0, 7% [/ quote]
        Voronezh

        Russians [quote] Russians [quote] [/ quote]
        94,14
        Ukrainians
        3,10%
        Persons who did not indicate their nationality
        0,50%
        Armenians
        0,37%
        Belarusians
        0,21%
        Gypsy
        0,20%
        [/ Quote]
        [quote = Nevsky_ZU] What nonsense are you writing? [/ quote]
        In general, I rarely write nonsense.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          11 February 2014 13: 51
          0
          [quote = atalef] [quote = Nevsky_ZU] Take the Lugansk telephone directory, and it will not differ from the Voronezh directory
          In my Russian city of Berdyansk quote]
          [quote] Berdyansk,
          Ethnic composition: Ukrainian - 70,8%, Russians - 24,7%, Bulgarians - 1,4%, Belarusians - 0, 7% [/ quote]
          Voronezh

          Russians [quote] Russians [quote] [/ quote]
          94,14
          Ukrainians
          3,10%
          Persons who did not indicate their nationality
          0,50%
          Armenians
          0,37%
          Belarusians
          0,21%
          Gypsy
          0,20%
          [/ Quote]
          [quote = Nevsky_ZU] What nonsense are you writing? [/ quote]
          In general, I rarely write nonsense. [/ Quote]

          Believe me, there will be more Russians in Luhansk. But this does not change anything. Yesterday's "Russians" wrote themselves in ukraitsy. The trend of being Ukrainian was imposed by education and the media. The difference is not felt visually and during communication. It is felt to the west of Vinnitsa. So, not an argument. Look at the census of Taganrog, Rostov and Krasnodar, and Yeisk. Also, register the Kuban Cossacks as Ukrainians. This manipulation will do nothing. Ukrainian speech on the streets sounds only to the west of the Dnieper, and this is an iron-concrete argument!
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  • Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 11 February 2014 08: 03
    +11
    Just go there.
    Very much even go! And parents will not mind. I am not from the southeast, I am of Chernigov, but I would send my son if I was not afraid to send it to the Ukrainian one. And even without special preferences. That's just ... In Ukraine, officially there is no dual citizenship. All these Romanian passports are so, semi-religious, semi-criminal. Consequently, service in a foreign army is a criminal mercenary. True, they closed their eyes on those who served in Chechnya and Georgia, but you understand: during the ghoul they were heroes, and the pallet Yanukovych simply closes his eyes, he already has problems full of mouth. But this does not change the essence of the matter - they are mercenaries. And I would not want it to be my son. Therefore, our good intentions will remain so with them. And well-intentioned ... In general, you know. Alas...
  • SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 11 February 2014 08: 05
    +7
    He served with the Ukrainians from the "east" - good soldiers. Let's remember "" X @ hol "without bats, that ... without testicles."
    Hence the conclusion, the thought is correct, the article plus.
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  • makarov
    makarov 11 February 2014 08: 19
    +3
    "I think that all kinds of benefits should be put on an equal footing."

    I will tell you a short story. I had a friend - he died 5 years ago. For about 35 years he "froze his ass" in the North for the sake of high earnings and, in the future, a high pension. In the mid-2000s, he decided to leave for his homeland, as the harshness of life on the ground increased, and thanks to his fellow countryman he received a Russian passport. Upon arrival home, it was discovered that the "northern co-ordinate" was mere pennies for retirement, the motivation was like "the regions of the far north are not part of the territory of Ukraine", therefore, in order to survive, he applied for a pension both in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine. And thanks to this I was able to support myself and my family. And now, from time to time in the media pops up infa about bringing such northerners to criminal responsibility. It turns out that the pension service of the Russian Federation, in response to requests from Ukrainian colleagues, merges the last information about potential "pensioner criminals", and in case of confirmation and identification of the defendants, they are not only tried, but by a court decision they are forced to return the entire amount of the pension received earlier (by the method of home cars, household items). So I don't even know if the youth of Ukraine will want to serve in the RF Ministry of Defense after such illustrative examples.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 11 February 2014 12: 45
      0
      Quote: makarov
      I had a friend

      Your friend is some tricky one.
      Quote: makarov
      therefore, in order to survive, he issued a pension in both the Russian Federation and Ukraine

      The prison is crying for him.
      1. makarov
        makarov 11 February 2014 16: 19
        +1
        the prison is crying for those who rated his labor at a penny and doomed to poverty. And he just took his, and then not completely, because he died from oncology.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 11 February 2014 16: 28
          -3
          Quote: makarov
          And he just took his, and then not completely, because he died from oncology.

          So all the thieves say - "took his".
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 11 February 2014 13: 14
      0
      Quote: makarov
      So I don’t even know if the youth of Ukraine will want to serve in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation after such illustrative examples.

      An example of what? After serving, the guy will be able to obtain (if desired, EU) citizenship of the Russian Federation with all that it implies ...

      The idea is VERY STRONG and promising, our leadership needs to "grasp" it with both hands and teeth.
      1. Akim
        Akim 11 February 2014 13: 16
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        After serving, the guy will be able to receive (if desired, EU

        If he doesn’t receive it, he will be imprisoned as a mercenary.
      2. makarov
        makarov 11 February 2014 16: 17
        +1
        And an example is that a late friend was hunching over garlic, and for the last 7 years for the good of the Russian Federation, he has died, and people like him have simply been leaked to the Ukrainian authorities.
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 11 February 2014 08: 29
    +3
    I correctly agree in many ways, the quicker this idea becomes reality, the stronger the bonds will be, since indeed over these 20 years of independence, the children have been dulled by Ukrainians, starting with history, all sorts of Ukrainisms, many guys would only dream and would be very grateful to Russia, because the Ukrainian army, in fact, as such already does not exist, the maintenance of such an opportunity would bear fruit. And what is happening in the Ukrainian army now, well, you yourself know, I’m for it with two hands, maybe young people can serve, but my time has already passed)
  • ed65b
    ed65b 11 February 2014 08: 56
    +8
    My son was at a joint training in the Ukrainian units of the airborne forces, they do not hold out, he speaks to our standards. Of course, the thought is sound and the fifth column in Ukraine will be created not by the liberal squelters, but by the combat professional wing. Of course, it’s not necessary to deal with discriminatory matters, such as what the author suggests, not slaves, everything should be honest and fair, but the fact that so many Ukrainians will remain on the contract is not to go to the grandmother.
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 11 February 2014 09: 31
      +7
      Do not reach out to our standards.
      So, they, the poor fellows, will have feces, if they see taps on TV, and shoot cartridges at the 9 shooting range: single 3, 6 bursts? My son served in the navy, went to Crete, so my wife and I, before the march, bought him the entire uniform, from boots to beskriozryki. It’s a pity, they didn’t know that they would need white gloves, so the guys made sheets from sheets. Imagine?
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 11 February 2014 11: 19
        +3
        Well, yes, of course, but mine didn’t get out of the fields, exercises, shooting, maneuvers, jumping. Especially speaks with silt 76 it is cool to jump. in general, the army gives a lot to the boys, even for a year they come completely different by themselves. and bullying said not. It was tough but fair.
      2. Black
        Black 11 February 2014 11: 54
        +1
        Quote: Old_Kapitan
        3 single, 6 bursts

        Long bursts? laughing
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 11 February 2014 13: 16
          +1
          Quote: Chen
          Long bursts?

          Yes, and with dashes fellow
  • ando_bor
    ando_bor 11 February 2014 09: 14
    +2
    Today, monetary allowances for Russian conscripts in Crimea, like Ukrainian contract soldiers for 10000-18000 rubles, will definitely go there, but this would not be true to build on purely material incentives.
  • awg75
    awg75 11 February 2014 09: 14
    +2
    only Russian citizens should serve in the Russian Army and Navy
    1. Owl
      Owl 11 February 2014 09: 23
      0
      Done right, if citizens of another state or persons with "dual (triple, etc.) citizenship" serve in the Russian Army, it will not be an army necessary to protect the State, it will simply be a "gang of migrant workers", but as soon as it is done at least one exception: first for the Ukrainians, then for the Moldovans, then for the Kazakhs - the entire "Tajik-Uzbek" army will become the Russian army, with Serdyuk (called up from the reserve a veteran of "military operations") at the head.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 11 February 2014 11: 22
        +1
        Quote: Eagle Owl
        Done right, if citizens of another state or persons with "dual (triple, etc.) citizenship" serve in the Russian Army, it will not be an army necessary to protect the State, it will simply be a "gang of migrant workers", but as soon as it is done at least one exception: first for the Ukrainians, then for the Moldovans, then for the Kazakhs - the entire "Tajik-Uzbek" army will become the Russian army, with Serdyuk (called up from the reserve a veteran of "military operations") at the head.

        in 201, by the way, in Tajikistan many Tajiks serve, so what? even the hero of Russia is True citizenship was given only after Putin's intervention.
    2. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 11 February 2014 12: 05
      +3
      :
      Quote: awg75
      only Russian citizens should serve in the Russian Army and Navy

      Hello everybody! Start with the Constitution of the Russian Federation:
      Article 59.
      1. Protection of the Fatherland is a duty and obligation citizen of the Russian Federation.
      2. A citizen of the Russian Federation bears military service in accordance with federal law.
      There is no speech about Russian speakers, only citizens of the Russian Federation.
      And who has the right to amend the Constitution, read in article 134.
      About the foreign legion in general, a separate issue ... soldier
  • novik72
    novik72 11 February 2014 09: 24
    +1
    the article is clearly provocative. why should we raise the level of combat readiness of another state? think about why the conscription service? and even for our money.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 11 February 2014 10: 20
      +1
      Quote: novik72
      why should we raise the level of combat readiness of another state

      Well, finally, a sound idea has been expressed.
      Quote: novik72
      and even for our money.

      And this is also correct. It is enough to look at gas debts and so on. Everyone is yelling about feeding the Caucasus, but does Ukraine's "bait" cost us no more? So the Caucasus is Russia, and Ukraine is a sovereign state and, judging by the latest events, is not entirely loyal to us and they only need Russian money. What, do you want extreme? Can't wait to clash with the "Westerners? Are there not enough of our own problems? Well, let's also drag the Ukrainian ones to us ...
      1. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 11 February 2014 12: 53
        +2
        Alexander good health! I would suggest to opponents, before minus, at least explain briefly why you "-"? All from emotions, as I understand it.
        Now on your topic, and I agree with you on what:
        Let's say the West succeeds in ousting Yanukovych. And what do we get with this? Solid pluses! The 30% gas discount will be canceled. Moscow will most likely refuse to give Ukraine the promised billions of dollars, which are so necessary for the local economy, which is breathing on fire. Tyagnibok promises to introduce a visa regime with Russia - this is generally wonderful. The Russian Federation will get a chance to send home 2 million Ukrainian guest workers, and the treasury of Ukraine will lose money for our Russian tourists, who make up half of the tourists in Crimea and Odessa, will leave for Sochi. Yanukovych only calls himself "his boyfriend", but for Russia there is zero benefit from him: only requests for endless discounts, cheap loans and deferred payments for gas.
        But even if the disintegration of Ukraine proceeds as a "velvet divorce" of the Czech Republic and Slovakia, the headache of the Russian Federation still cannot be avoided, and we are discussing about the army of Russian-speaking guys.
        And for the Caucasus, while it is more profitable to milk Russia, and not to fight with it, "feeding" will never end and the president is not profitable, and our mothers do not need it. Best regards and thanks!
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 11 February 2014 13: 44
          0
          Quote: Nikoha.2010
          I wish good health to Alexander!

          Hello Sergey!
          It is impossible to think with emotions in such matters! After all, the whole trick is to drag Russia into the Ukrainian showdown. We have already burned ourselves with "brotherly" feelings more than once in our centuries-old history, including with Ukraine. And such topics, about the service of Ukrainians in our army, only add fuel to the fire and play into the hands of the "maydanutyh" and not to understand this is just stupidity! Now, one word spoken not carefully can do much more harm than good. This is not the time to push such populist ideas with a claim to exclusivity.
          Sincerely.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 11 February 2014 09: 25
    +2
    It's time! I just didn’t understand what discrimination there is in Ukraine over those who worked in the North? I think the guys will go to serve in the Army and under the contract. Even ordinary soldiers have a good salary, they know the language, they’ll get used to it faster. Ukrainians, Belarusians, Russians are one people! But the idea of ​​conscripts from the SA, I think does not deserve special attention, they don’t know the Russian language, many people don’t have primary education, the mentality is absolutely not ours and there are a lot of drug addicts, builders from Uzbekistan, Tajiks, Kyrgyz worked for us - so they also they hate each other. In general, problem guys, such in the army are not needed.
  • Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 11 February 2014 09: 43
    +2
    I would even say more.
    Suvorov educational institutions for Belarusians and Ukrainians also need to open.
    So from childhood to lay in the minds of people a love for a real homeland.
  • kelevra
    kelevra 11 February 2014 09: 45
    +2
    In my opinion, our laws oblige everyone who has received Russian citizenship to serve in our army, despite the fact that he served in his homeland!
  • muhomor
    muhomor 11 February 2014 09: 49
    +1
    I am skeptical. In the Russian army should serve Russian citizens. Although I do not exclude the creation of something like a foreign. Legion for operations abroad.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 11 February 2014 09: 57
      +3
      And my son --- mixed-Russian-semi-Tatar. Can he serve in the Russian army?
      1. Naum
        Naum 11 February 2014 10: 29
        +2
        If he loves Russia, considers Russian culture to be native and thinks in Russian, yes! And if he just wants to have good military training "for every" Wahhabi case, then perhaps not worth it.
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 11 February 2014 11: 24
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        And my son --- mixed-Russian-semi-Tatar. Can he serve in the Russian army?

        no, only in the Tatar-Mongolian. laughing
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      11 February 2014 10: 28
      +1
      So the boys, who are drunk Borka with one pen of the pen did foreign Russians do not deserve it? Do you like the trimmed version of Russia?
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 11 February 2014 13: 47
        +1
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Do you like the trimmed version of Russia?

        The train is gone, there will be no other versions without bloodshed. Even in the matter with Ukraine. Would you like to fight or manage with the existing one?
  • Naum
    Naum 11 February 2014 10: 26
    +2
    Correct: Russian, not Russian-speaking! Russia now needs exactly the Russians. This is a state of mind, and not just the ability to speak Russian. And in general, all of us are great, few, and Belorussians — Russians, Russians. We are one nation, as if whoever likes it.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 11 February 2014 10: 40
      -1
      So come on, bring down from the national republics! What's the problem? Create your own state in purely Russian! Che graze on our resources? Not that you say, not that!
      1. Akim
        Akim 11 February 2014 10: 59
        +2
        Quote: Den 11
        What are grazing on our resources? Not that you say, not that!

        On the contrary, you should be glad that GUESTS enter the Internet resources in order to hear a third-party opinion. Tea, do you speak foreign languages?
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 11 February 2014 11: 14
          0
          By resources I meant oil-gas-timber-coal, etc.
          1. Akim
            Akim 11 February 2014 11: 16
            +4
            Quote: Den 11
            meant oil-gas-wood-coal, etc.

            You get paid for them. In altruism, modern Russia is not seen.
            1. terrible
              terrible 11 February 2014 11: 28
              0
              ) Well, if so, when you return your debts, are wide Ukrainians)
              1. Akim
                Akim 11 February 2014 11: 39
                +1
                Quote: formidable
                ) Well, if so, when you return your debts - wide Ukrainians

                Not to you. I personally owe nothing to anyone. I never even took a loan from a bank.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 11 February 2014 12: 55
            -2
            Quote: Den 11
            By resources I meant oil-gas-timber-coal, etc.

            This is the Russian land on which you were allowed to live, this does not mean that everything has become yours. Do you wish your people the fate of the Charkes?
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 11 February 2014 14: 19
              -2
              The Republic of Komi-Russian land ??? Are you out of your mind? They allowed me to live there? ... I thought you were smarter
          3. IRBIS
            IRBIS 11 February 2014 14: 57
            0
            Quote: Den 11
            come on, bring down from the national republics! What's the problem? Create your own state of purely Russian! Che graze on our resources? Not that you say, not that!

            Quote: Den 11
            By resources I meant oil-gas-timber-coal, etc.

            Is this after the Russians brought the indigenous population of the outskirts from a tribal state to a developed society? We do not graze, we take our own, and your peoples enjoy all the benefits of civilization and the same resources. It’s interesting if Russia hadn’t come to these parts, would you even learn to get there with what you try to poke us in the face?
            And further. When the Russians developed all these lands, something special defenders of their native uluses were not observed. Those who tried to resist turned their neck and put in a Russian stall. At the same time, the whole structure and language were left unchanged. So, it’s a sin to complain about the Russians, but we actually didn’t wait for gratitude.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 11 February 2014 15: 03
              0
              Quote: IRBIS
              I wonder if Russia hadn’t come to these parts, would you even learn how to get what you try to poke in our faces?

              Everything is much simpler, the Anglo-Saxons would come and the indigenous peoples would repeat the fate of the Indians.
            2. Day 11
              Day 11 11 February 2014 15: 04
              0
              The UAE somehow lives without particularly working (others do it for them (under supervision)). Say they are shitty living? You will say the wrong volumes --- I disagree! For our million, it’s enough to live in abundance
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 February 2014 15: 15
                0
                Quote: Den 11
                The UAE somehow lives without particularly working (others do it for them (under supervision)). Say they are shitty living? You will say the wrong volumes --- I disagree! For our million, it’s enough to live in abundance

                The naive dreamer. The Ukrainians also shouted that they would become the second France, and you mean you want to become the second Saudi Arabia?
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 11 February 2014 15: 20
                  0
                  And where is Saudi Arabia? There another country was mentioned
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 11 February 2014 15: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Den 11
                    And where is Saudi Arabia? There another country was mentioned

                    Who cares, Ukraine did not become the new France, and Komi having separated would not become the new Emirates.
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 11 February 2014 15: 36
                0
                Quote: Den 11
                UAE somehow live, especially not working

                Is this the key - unwillingness to work?
        2. ed65b
          ed65b 11 February 2014 11: 26
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          Quote: Den 11
          What are grazing on our resources? Not that you say, not that!

          On the contrary, you should be glad that GUESTS enter the Internet resources in order to hear a third-party opinion. Tea, do you speak foreign languages?

          Big bucks Akim, always happy to see you. (Litter for srach deployed by me) hi
          1. Akim
            Akim 11 February 2014 11: 41
            0
            Quote: ed65b
            Zdorovenki buly

            Mine to you with a brush (Odessa). hi
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 11 February 2014 12: 53
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        So come on, bring down from the national republics! What's the problem? Create your own state in purely Russian! Che graze on our resources? Not that you say, not that!

        Russians are an indigenous nation in Russia. All the rest are newcomers who were legalized under the Romanovs. And there are no "your" resources, everything is Russian, you can throw yourself into China - the homeland of ALL Mongoloids.
        1. matross
          matross 11 February 2014 12: 59
          +2
          Setrac
          And you are not too narrowing the territory of Russia? The same Chechens, are they newcomers in their mountains, or is it not Russia anymore? There are dozens of such examples.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 11 February 2014 14: 23
            0
            Quote: matRoss
            Setrac
            And you are not too narrowing the territory of Russia? The same Chechens, are they newcomers in their mountains, or is it not Russia anymore? There are dozens of such examples.

            The aliens are Mongoloid nations, there are no ancient Mongoloid sites in Russia, the Chechens are the same Europeans as the Russians, you cannot call them aliens on the basis of paleogenetics.
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 11 February 2014 14: 23
          -1
          Because of people like you, there will be problems ... Come on, come here to the "Russian" land, you will dissuade. Give Yakutia, with its immense wealth, to the "Russian" lands
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 11 February 2014 15: 00
            +1
            Quote: Den 11
            Because of people like you, there will be problems ... Come on, come here to the "Russian" land, you will dissuade. Give Yakutia, with its immense wealth, to the "Russian" lands

            Do you want to secede from Russia with "your wealth"? Well, well, dare
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 11 February 2014 15: 15
              +1
              I NEVER tried to do this! The whole story of my family speaks about the international !!! But you, with your statements, carry the evil of Russia!
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 February 2014 15: 19
                0
                Quote: Den 11
                But you, by your statements, are carrying the evil of Russia! Shame

                GET SALON, but you started the speeches here that Russians are robbing indigenous people! And how do Komi-Permians differ from Russians? That you are looking for differences and contradictions!
                1. Nevsky_ZU
                  11 February 2014 15: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: Den 11
                  But you, by your statements, are carrying the evil of Russia! Shame

                  GET SALON, but you started the speeches here that Russians are robbing indigenous people! And how do Komi-Permians differ from Russians? That you are looking for differences and contradictions!


                  Hmm .... Russia continues to pour in their heads ... Is there really nothing to eat in Komi. Really the example of "squares" does not teach anything?
                2. matross
                  matross 11 February 2014 18: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  it was you who began the talk that the Russians are robbing indigenous peoples!

                  Yes, friends, no need to raise the bazaar at all on these topics! It is only to please our enemies! In Russia, ALL INDIGENOUS, who counts her Motherland!
                  1. sanek45744
                    sanek45744 11 February 2014 19: 19
                    -1
                    It’s not funny yourself! ??
  • Ross
    Ross 11 February 2014 10: 40
    +4
    Quote: mirag2
    Military service in exchange for citizenship?
    There is a rational grain.
    Who wants to get our citizenship, who believes that he will be better in Russia than anywhere else, let him come and serve, I think it's good?
    That's just where, in which units, how much, and HOW the army will react to this, that's what you have to dance from.

    Why are Americans widely using foreigners in their military schools? Because these are their future agents of influence. And we need to expand our work with Ukraine and other CIS countries, we need to restore the Russian world, the soft influence of the motherland.
    The author is right.
    1. Owl
      Owl 11 February 2014 11: 25
      0
      In the US Armed Forces, about 30% of military personnel are infantrymen, in "hot" spots - Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and the like, those who receive a "residence permit" in 5 years of service and join the ranks of US citizens. In Russia, without Russian citizenship, there are already so many "Tajik-Uzbeks" that if you also give away citizenship for service, then consider: "demobilization" + wife + children + parents + wife's parents. Slavs and Russified, and these are Russians, Tatars, Mordovians and all the inhabitants of Russia, this stream will wash away even faster than it is happening now.
  • terrible
    terrible 11 February 2014 10: 54
    0
    service for citizenship - yes. but the deadline is that we only have a year. will there be enough time for the self-dependent-independent nonsense to disappear?
  • Akim
    Akim 11 February 2014 10: 55
    0
    I put a FAT minus to Nevsky. A citizen of one country cannot serve another, and then return back. In general, Voennoye Obozreniye became a kind of provocateur of a split. So much dirt on Ukraine - it's impossible to read. I am already entering the comments when the scale of the idiocy of the article rolls over.
    1. terrible
      terrible 11 February 2014 11: 08
      +2
      ) and the people can and should serve their own, and not the pseudo-under-state of banderlogs and protoucras)
      1. Akim
        Akim 11 February 2014 11: 12
        +3
        Quote: formidable
        and not the pseudo-under-state of banderlogs and protoucras)

        Here are the same cry, on the other hand, that the whole people of Ukraine are standing on the Maidan.
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      11 February 2014 11: 38
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      I put a FAT minus to Nevsky. A citizen of one country cannot serve another, and then return back. In general, Voennoye Obozreniye became a kind of provocateur of a split. So much dirt on Ukraine - it's impossible to read. I am already entering the comments when the scale of the idiocy of the article rolls over.


      Akim, this note would not have been if the unspoken social contract had not been violated. The parade of the SS Galicia in Krivoy Rog, an attempt to storm the Regional State Administration by visiting Bandera in the East of Ukraine, the Russian-speaking nationalists of Ukraine, the football ultras of even Donetsk begin to shout: "Glory to Bandera!" Should I swallow it silently? To look at the disappearance of the Russian ethnos? Official Kiev has been inactive for a long time. Why am I Russian in disputes with Westerners should remain the independence of Ukraine? When I was recently in Bukovina and talked with one Ukrainian, not even a Romanian, I asked him: "How do you feel that now in Romania I propose to solve the problem of Bukovina on the sly?" Do you know what he answered me? He said, literally: "That will be more beautiful to us than Rumunin, because there is Europe, visi is not used!" Comments are superfluous. If there are true patriots of Ukraine, they live in the South-East of Ukraine. And the most offensive thing is that the independence of Ukraine rests on yesterday's Russian guys and at the expense of the disappearance of the "Russian world." For in Western Ukraine (I am responsible for Bukovina) everyone lives with the problems of their court and family. Most of the opportunists are there. All have beautiful huts, whole mansions. Everybody works in Europe. Someone is even a citizen. Of course, many families fell apart because of this. But on the other hand, at every conversation at a religious holiday, I listened at the table, they say, what good fellows they are, but in the East of Ukraine the people are stuffed up and their houses are poor !!! Understand Akim, there are no sovereigns !!!
      1. Akim
        Akim 11 February 2014 11: 50
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Akim, this would not have happened if the secret social contract had not been violated

        Yes, it is broken, but this is not the way to create sex and the fifth column. The easiest and sneaky way to escape or separate. And fight for your country?
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          11 February 2014 12: 00
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Akim, this would not have happened if the secret social contract had not been violated

          Yes, it is broken, but this is not the way to create sex and the fifth column. The easiest and sneaky way to escape or separate. And fight for your country?


          My country was stolen when I was still in kindergarten. And as soon as it was stolen, even civilian planes that I could get to my grandmother in Russia stopped flying over my house. Do you know Akim, what have I been doing in 11 years? Metal was collected on the trash, so mother was thrown out of the factory, which was closed, and her father was calculated as a military man. Airport Berdyansk (former 29 wap 5 WA Odessa Odessa VO) ceased to exist. Come see in the summer, here only the wind walks.
          1. Akim
            Akim 11 February 2014 12: 15
            0
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Come see in the summer, only the wind walks here.

            I regularly travel to Berdyansk when I go to Donetsk. Nothing that could not be returned. By a wave of the wand, you will not recreate everything as before. This is a mirror image of the Maydanovites, who dream of the Association as manna of HEAVEN.
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 11 February 2014 21: 26
      0
      Quote: Akim
      Already enter into comments when the scale of idiocy of the article goes through the roof.

      Rollback is normal! The first part of your comment is "entering" - take your time thinking about what it means to "enter" into a written expression. In an anecdote you can: yesterday in the go "in" but today in the party. Well, in a quote, how? The second part: "the scale ... goes off scale". Where is this possible? Even lard is salted, but not salted (this is to make it clearer for you).
      1. Akim
        Akim 11 February 2014 22: 03
        0
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Even lard is salted, but not salted (so that it would be more understandable to you).

        Thank you for the conducted LikBez, but even if I wrote incorrectly, which is absolutely wrong (since you don't like "entering into comments", then let it be "entering into a discussion", although at that time I have not discussed it yet), then all the same, the meaning of my indignation is clear.
  • 23424636
    23424636 11 February 2014 11: 02
    +2
    A good offer for Donbass, because the left birches of Kalmius are the ancestral lands of the Don Army given up for desecration ... touched "Donbass" ,,,
    1. Owl
      Owl 11 February 2014 11: 29
      +1
      First, Donbass, Crimea and Kharkov with Dnepropetrovsk should be accepted into Russia; this, unfortunately, will not be done in the near future, politicians have only one thing to do, but no one will tear anything from their pockets.
  • Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex 11 February 2014 12: 01
    +3
    A good idea. The army is a school of life. Living together brings people together. Do not fence off each other. Moreover, so much money in the past 20 years has been invested in the process of separation, fooling one people and inciting mutual hatred. It is necessary to competently and professionally confront modern threats.
  • Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 11 February 2014 12: 15
    +2
    He served in the Russian army for Putin’s first term from 2000 to 2002. Now I listen to the stories of the sons of my friends and acquaintances, my soul rejoices. They say constant exercises, shooting, training. Not that in my time, every cartridge and liter solarium saved. Ukrainian and Russian armies went different roads. It would be nice to pull up loyal Russian guys from Ukraine to serve.
  • Naum
    Naum 11 February 2014 12: 21
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    bring down from the national republics!

    I recently heard such a story from a Russian migrant from Uzbekistan. I’m standing, he says, in a shop, not bothering anyone, and then a local one addressed me: “We have built factories here, and we ourselves have driven around! And who will work for them ?!” The trouble is that the so-called "national republics" were slaughtered by the Bolsheviks on the body of Russia. Even where people did not know such a word. While the central government was strong and crushed small-town nationalism, and invested a lot of money on the "development of the outskirts" at the expense of the Russian Center (here are the imperialist bastards!) - while everything was stable. As soon as the slack was given and the "krantik" was covered - that's how it all began. We will still be guilty that these republics were created by our ancestors! Before there were khanates, uluses, camps, rookeries, what else is there?
  • twviewer
    twviewer 11 February 2014 12: 34
    0
    in order to obtain Russian citizenship, there is no need to serve Russian people, there is a program for the return of compatriots, so do not sculpt a hunchback
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 11 February 2014 12: 48
    +1
    Not only to serve, but also to have the priority of employment over Asians. Maybe someone will find their destiny here, creating families, thereby strengthening ties between Russia and Ukraine. Asians come only tighten their families, but still live according to their own canons.
  • sapran
    sapran 11 February 2014 12: 50
    0
    In my opinion, the article is just a post of the old political officer ...
    For the author:
    1. Between the Ministry of Defense of both countries, you can painlessly agree on the exchange of cadets (listeners) that will be practiced with other countries (Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Georgia, China, USA, Slovenia, France) that will demonstrate your advantages and a kind of "openness".
    2. Citizenship seems to have not been canceled yet (if someone wants to be a contract soldier, as indicated above, there are programs for "compatriots") Some of your retired people clearly settle in the Crimea and willingly serve in the divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    And so until 1997, whoever wanted to go where he went to serve and finish his studies.
  • Nevsky_ZU
    11 February 2014 14: 01
    +2
    Quote: IRBIS
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    Do you like the trimmed version of Russia?

    The train is gone, there will be no other versions without bloodshed. Even in the matter with Ukraine. Would you like to fight or manage with the existing one?


    You won't do it. "Right Sector" will soon go to the East of Ukraine, you will probably be pleased to sit watching with popcorn? We will be the one who still considers themselves Russian ... We can cope without a big Russia.
    1. Akim
      Akim 11 February 2014 14: 05
      -1
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      We will get up, who still considers himself Russian ... We can cope without a big Russia.

      Here is a plus for this. Leader, really needed.
  • Jkob
    Jkob 11 February 2014 14: 16
    +2
    And English-speaking residents of Ukraine should serve in the USA, Great Britain, Australia, etc ...
    Article BRED!
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      11 February 2014 14: 25
      +1
      Quote: jkob
      And English-speaking residents of Ukraine should serve in the USA, Great Britain, Australia, etc ...
      Article BRED!


      Brad is with you. English-speaking in Ukraine 0,1%. In the US Army serve voluntarily Mexicans, Latinos who know badly English, but dream of a residence permit and other temptation. It's crazy to assume that even the nationalists of Ukraine and russophobes recognize that ethnic Russians in Ukraine are 17%? How much is it from 45 million? And there are still Russian-speaking Ukrainians, but prone to Russian culture and the country. Is it nonsense too? Brad to consider Ukrainians all in a row who woke up in 1991, in a new country Ukraine, and not the Ukrainian SSR And who had to take a passport in their hands in order to exist normally in society due to the lack of opportunity to go to Russia from behind the graves of the local people, old people, or for not owning housing in Russia itself.

      Delirious will sound like this: "The Russians are leaving Kharkov, Odessa, Donetsk ..." Is it not true?
      1. Akim
        Akim 11 February 2014 14: 43
        +2
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Delirious will sound like this: "The Russians are leaving Kharkov, Odessa, Donetsk ..." Is it not true?

        And they are not going to, but also go to the service of another power, too. This Sunday in Odessa, a 5 thousandth rally was held against the Maidan. But no one spoke out against the united country of Ukraine, thus not supporting separatism.
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 11 February 2014 22: 38
          +2
          Akim - heard "glory to Ukraine for the heroes of lard right on his M. Arnautskaya!
          Then I read that it was Euromaidan ... do you write about Anti-Maidan?
          When I heard about the heroes on the street, I directly instinctively felt that I needed a weapon) At the same time I kept my wife (Russian)
          joking but somehow anxious.
          1. Akim
            Akim 11 February 2014 22: 49
            0
            Quote: Cristall
            Then I read that it was Euromaidan ... do you write about Anti-Maidan?

            According to Shevchenko, until April 10 they were walking. It was a lot. And Euromaidan has subsided. After the cars were burned to them - so their voices of the sergeant deceive. They now have the main enemy in Odessa OGTRK. And trap shallow.
            Well, you know.
      2. terrible
        terrible 11 February 2014 15: 10
        +2
        Well, why is delirious. years so through ... with the policy of Ukrainization carried out by them there (Russians) will not remain at all.
  • heathen
    heathen 11 February 2014 15: 19
    0
    My opinion is unreal.
    Why is the US not shy about accepting Mexicans in its army, while Russia cannot accept Russians who, by 1991, have remained on the other side of the border?

    Because in the United States dual citizenship is recognized. But in Ukraine - no. With the proven fact of obtaining a second citizenship, a person loses the citizenship of Ukraine.
    That is, under existing laws, such a possibility of service in Russia just provokes the outflow of young people from the east of Ukraine, or rather the part that seeks to devote itself to military affairs (that is, the most combat-ready). And instead of protecting the lines, they will be exposed.

    Changing laws is very easy on the forum, but hard in life. An example of the repeal of laws of January 16 (necessary and important) clearly shows this. That is, before you accept them you need to conduct a huge and lengthy information campaign. Such laws, to put it mildly, will cause a whole storm in Ukraine, to overcome which you will have to spend too much money and effort. Given their narrow focus, the game will not cost the game.

    As for me, all the funds that will be needed for this dubious enterprise should be spent on work focused on Ukraine’s accession to the CU. This will automatically confront the Ukrainian government with the need (and urgency) to develop its own armed forces in close cooperation with the Russian Armed Forces, Belarus and other members of the CU.
    And then no one has to go anywhere. Unless on a business trip, get combat experience.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      11 February 2014 15: 40
      +1
      Quote: heathen
      My opinion is unreal.
      Why is the US not shy about accepting Mexicans in its army, while Russia cannot accept Russians who, by 1991, have remained on the other side of the border?

      Because in the United States recognized dual citizenship. But in Ukraine - no.


      The comparison is not US / Ukraine, and Russia / US. Ukraine in the role of Mexico! Americans do not care about the opinion of other countries on dual citizenship.




      .
      That is, under existing laws, such a possibility of service in Russia just provokes the outflow of young people from the east of Ukraine, or rather the part that seeks to devote itself to military affairs (that is, the most combat-ready). And instead of protecting the lines, they will be exposed.


      What nah. exposure? Ukraine refused to draft and hammered a bolt on its army. "Right Sector" now has an army! I'm talking about that part of the youth who will be left outside the quota, and who, thanks to advertising, can be sent to serve the real Motherland !!!
      1. sapran
        sapran 11 February 2014 16: 20
        0
        You are still a terrible reactionary ... sometimes sound thoughts and sometimes a solid negative (I’m not sure all the same cunning - a solid negative and hostility of the state and people near whom you live, what is it called?)
    2. terrible
      terrible 11 February 2014 15: 47
      +1
      ) and what gives Russians this Ukrainian citizenship? the answer is nothing good. my son-in-law's grandfather in Ukraine pulled out all the hairs on his ass) "d.u.rak" - he says that he did not make Russian citizenship. Now he would receive a normal pension "
  • shark
    shark 11 February 2014 15: 22
    +3
    But why not. Just do it wisely. Firstly, he will agree with the government of Ukraine (if such a thing suddenly appears) on guarantees to citizens who served in the Russian army, By this I mean, do not interfere with the relevant Russian authorities to carry out their work on social support of persons who served the RF. (pensions and other payments, social protection measures) Second, to simplify these people obtaining citizenship. The third is to provide an opportunity to obtain, say, a hectare of land on the territory of the Russian Federation without the right of resale for a hundred years (the Far East, Siberia) with the payment of a one-time loan for construction and improvement. You can use this mechanism for everyone, including citizens of the Russian Federation or in the absence of offenses during the service. These "estates" should be made a priority when purchasing food for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. On such conditions, I think we will recruit more than one legion. It is also worth considering admission to technical universities at the end of the contract. At the same time, from under the feet of hamsters we will knock out the earth.
    Well, in general, the Golden Eagle will be lured into the ranks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. All the same, people who distort Russian will not let them live
  • Ross
    Ross 11 February 2014 16: 29
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    Akim, this would not have happened if the secret social contract had not been violated

    Yes, it is broken, but this is not the way to create sex and the fifth column. The easiest and sneaky way to escape or separate. And fight for your country?

    I try not to interfere in such disputes, because I respect both of you with respect. And yet, with all due respect, let's look honestly together at the historical truth. Without Russia, there would never have been a state like Ukraine. Therefore, the Ukrainians themselves, now, in the face of a powerful confrontation between the West and Russia, are NOT ABLE to be independent. It is necessary to face the truth, no matter how heavy it is. And make an honest choice.
    1. Akim
      Akim 11 February 2014 16: 38
      -2
      Quote: Ross
      It is necessary to face the truth, no matter how heavy it is. And make an honest choice

      Which choice? What you don’t see, throws, just split the country.
      1. terrible
        terrible 11 February 2014 16: 46
        +3
        ) only split the country.) it is time to separate the grains from the chaff.
        1. Akim
          Akim 11 February 2014 16: 58
          0
          Quote: formidable
          ) it's time to separate the grains from the chaff.

          And who will act as a separator?
  • terrible
    terrible 11 February 2014 17: 36
    +1
    )Not "who", but "what!
  • Student
    Student 11 February 2014 20: 05
    +2
    "tens of thousands of Russian-speaking boys do not know what a real army is"
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    ]
  • biglow
    biglow 12 February 2014 08: 57
    0
    no matter how much Bendera’s here howl, we are one people, and people with Ukrainian passports still have the opportunity to serve in the Russian army, although this is not simple and costly but everything is possible ....
  • camo
    camo 26 May 2017 16: 16
    0
    Russian-speaking guys from Ukraine should be able to serve in the Russian army

    after careful checks by competent comrades
  • kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 30 May 2017 12: 53
    0
    Quote: Nikoha.2010
    Foreigners enlisted in the Armed Forces accept the obligation to comply with the Russian Constitution, the requirements of military regulations and orders of commanders.

    to fill, Schaub, all Nostrans coming to Russia in writing accepted such obligations .. especially - the requirements of military manuals and orders of commanders! Strongly - for! And God forbid if it is not so ... everyone in the disbat! drinks
  • kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 30 May 2017 13: 03
    0
    Quote: Ross
    Therefore, Ukrainians themselves, now, in the face of a powerful confrontation between the West and Russia, are NOT ABLE to be independent.

    What kind of independence? Compare:
    1. "Yeshe Poland has not disappeared ..."
    2. "Ukraine hasn’t died yet ..."
    It was the USSR that cultivated the Ukrainian nation ... And the Poles, for example, would quickly turn them all into "Poles."
    History does not teach anything.
    Kara Panam!