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Ignorant journalists and irresponsible critics are trying to discredit the F-35 program - American expert

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Ignorant journalists and irresponsible critics are trying to discredit the F-35 program - American expert

Renowned American military expert Loren Thompson (Loren Thompson) criticized the "fabrications" that some media admit to the F-35 fighter program, reports February forNX 3.


Thompson, in particular, completely disagrees with the assessment of the influential RealClearDefense website that the F-35 is "unreliable in battle, defenseless, toothless and vulnerable." This statement, in his opinion, shows the "extreme ignorance" of critics who are trying to discredit the program. “Criticism of irresponsible critics” echoes early cases where the same “subversors” declared the complete failure of such programs as the creation of the F-15 fighter, tank Abrams and the V-22 Osprey convertiplane, which then became world-class combat systems, Lawrence writes.

Such groundless criticism is designed to demoralize the work of thousands of engineers and workers involved in the F-35 fighter program, which, according to Senator John McCain, can become “the greatest combat aircraft in stories world aviation».

Already completed more than 8000 flight tests (half of the planned). When a problem is detected, changes are quickly made to each subsequent aircraft. Executive Director Lieutenant General Christopher Bogdan argues that the desire to identify problems is typical at this stage of aircraft development: "This is the time when we are trying to find any problems during testing to eliminate them and create an extremely effective combat aircraft for our combat pilots. "

In 2013, 1153 flight was completed, 9000 control points (tasks) were reached. Software issues will not affect the Pentagon’s plans to introduce the F-35 version to the Marine Corps in 2015. Also successfully solve the problems with the reliability of stealth coatings of vertical tail assembly and the helmet of the pilot target designation. Pentagon officials say that the flight test program rarely satisfies anyone, but it is necessary for the rapid identification of deficiencies before large-scale production begins.

Journalists who write about the program do not have sufficient knowledge and tend to refer more to critics who exaggerate existing problems and “interpret them too worryingly”.

The F-35 program may be the most complex project in the history of military equipment. The creation of three completely different aircraft for the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and for many of our allies, writes Thompson. Information about most of the onboard equipment and software is secret, as it is necessary to maintain the global superiority of American military aircraft until the middle of the century. Problems arising from the creation of F-35, will be eliminated one by one, if America seeks to preserve the role of guarantor of global security, the author of the article is convinced.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 10 February 2014 11: 25
    +20
    "if America seeks to maintain its role as a guarantor of global security, the author of the article is convinced."

    Guarantor of stability? Hmm what The author of the article has a peculiar concept of stability.
    1. spech
      spech 10 February 2014 11: 32
      +12
      may become "the greatest combat aircraft in the history of world aviation."
      Well, how can you not remember about "exclusivity"?
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 10 February 2014 21: 02
        +1
        Aha! "8 thousand tests out of half planned." What is this design reliability? Money at once and more. Buckle to trials and saw, saw, saw, saw. Here either the shah dies, or the donkey dies.
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 10 February 2014 12: 05
      +5
      Related Videos


      1. edeligor
        edeligor 10 February 2014 15: 10
        +6
        hiHello! Is Israel also involved in the project? Or will overseas sponsors give you a test of BV?
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 10 February 2014 17: 13
          +6
          The vice president of Lockheed Martin also clarified that the F-35s will be delivered to Israel earlier than to Canada, Great Britain and the Netherlands, that is, the countries that were directly involved in the development. As the site 9tv.co.il notes, Israel can also be called one of the creators of the F-35 aircraft, since Israeli enterprises will produce wings for the fighter, and a significant part of its avionics will be Israeli developments. But some experts have expressed doubts about the merits of the 5th generation F-35 fighter and the feasibility of buying it, although other experts note that the purchase of the F-35 is extremely important for the Israeli Air Force. This is due to the fact that the F-15A / B and F-16A / B aircraft will be decommissioned in the next few years, as a result of which the Air Force may face a shortage of aircraft.
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 10 February 2014 21: 15
            +1
            Naturally! Parhaty in the wings really know. laughing
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        2. 0255
          0255 10 February 2014 17: 18
          +2
          Quote: edeligor
          hiHello! Is Israel also involved in the project? Or will overseas sponsors give you a test of BV?

          Israel will order a F-35. Only the Israeli version, like all other export options, will not be stealth laughing
          Wouldn't they better take the F-15 Silent Eagle or the F / A-18 Silent Hornet? They will definitely win in price ...
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 10 February 2014 18: 20
            0
            Quote: 0255
            Wouldn't they better take the F-15 Silent Eagle or the F / A-18 Silent Hornet? They will definitely win in price ...


            "Silent Eagle" costs at least 100 million. "Silent Hornet" is a good alternative, but its stealth does not reach the stealth F-35. And Silent Hornet is not yet in the series, and it costs not much less than 35.
      2. AlexxxNik
        AlexxxNik 10 February 2014 17: 09
        +1
        on the first clip 1.35, it seemed to me that after taking off, he immediately reduced the take-off angle, it’s interesting that he’s so cautious at full load or empty
    3. Cherdak
      Cherdak 10 February 2014 22: 45
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Guarantor of stability
  2. Altona
    Altona 10 February 2014 11: 26
    0
    So the F-35 will still be the main attack aircraft, and not an addition to the F-22?
  3. demel2
    demel2 10 February 2014 11: 29
    +1
    Apparently not everything is good with p. Endos, which sincerely pleases.
    1. SAMARA
      SAMARA 10 February 2014 11: 33
      +6
      The main thing is that they think that they are doing fine))
      1. SV
        SV 10 February 2014 22: 25
        0
        So the F-35 will still be the main attack aircraft, and not an addition to the F-22?

        At the beginning of the implementation of the F-35 project, it was positioned as a budget / trimmed, lightweight car based on the F-22. If developers have a more advanced aircraft (F-22), then it is not clear where so many problems are from. That is, of course, there should be problems, but not in such a volume. It seems that the car is created from scratch. In this regard, the question arises about the capabilities of the F-22 as a fighter for gaining dominance in the air, especially with attempts to completely classify any information on this machine. The analogy with the stealth bomber suggests itself, about which the Americans are trying to remember as little as possible ...
        tank Abrams and tiltrotor V-22 Osprey

        Abrams was abandoned by everyone who had political will, although the Americans tried to make it the main tank of the NATO member countries ...
  4. major071
    major071 10 February 2014 11: 32
    +31
    which, according to Senator John McCain (John McCain), could become "the greatest military aircraft in the history of world aviation."

    That's who you need to listen to! laughing D. McCain is the "greatest" pilot of all American! what And if he said that the F-35 is the greatest aircraft, then it will be so! wassat And here we are still discussing something, comparing the characteristics, and here again - and you're done! laughing
    1. 0255
      0255 10 February 2014 17: 22
      +4
      Quote: major071
      which, according to Senator John McCain (John McCain), could become "the greatest military aircraft in the history of world aviation."

      That's who you need to listen to! laughing D. McCain is the "greatest" pilot of all American! what And if he said that the F-35 is the greatest aircraft, then it will be so! wassat And here we are still discussing something, comparing the characteristics, and here again - and you're done! laughing

      "Phantom" F-4, which shot down McCain, was also supposed to be the greatest aircraft wassat But he was defeated by MiG-17 and MiG-21.
      I wish the F-35 the same fate am
      1. de bouillon
        de bouillon 10 February 2014 17: 48
        +2
        he flew at Scheyhawk

        and bombed, bombed, bombed everyone
        1. 0255
          0255 10 February 2014 19: 54
          +1
          after the accident at Forrestal, he was transferred to another aircraft carrier and transferred to the Phantom. On the F-4, he was shot down from the S-75 air defense system, he was captured by the Vietnamese. And then he made a career in politics as a victim of the communists.
        2. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 10 February 2014 20: 36
          0
          But not for long and not for sure ...
  5. mountain
    mountain 10 February 2014 11: 40
    +1
    No, you read it until the middle of the century. ))) Now, is this self-confidence, impotence, that something shows through hysteria, did not notice?
  6. ed65b
    ed65b 10 February 2014 11: 40
    +7
    maintaining global superiority of US military aviation until the middle of the century.

    So all the same, after 50 years America will end, there will be no superiority, blown away laughing
    1. 0255
      0255 10 February 2014 17: 28
      0
      maintaining global excellence americans wassat military aviation until the middle of the century.

      over whom? Papuansia, where are the Chinese AK-47 and DShK machine guns used as air defense? Or which can contrast 5 obsolete fighter aircraft from the 1960s-1970s against 300-400 pcs. F-15?
      Quote: ed65b
      So all the same, after 50 years America will end, there will be no superiority, blown away laughing

      And another question - can they bring their F-21 to the middle of the 35st century? I hope no
  7. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 10 February 2014 11: 41
    +3
    What to rejoice if he would fall every day, that would be joy.
  8. P12P
    P12P 10 February 2014 11: 43
    +4
    The Americans have all the greatest, directly national mental illness - megalomania. They do not know how to admit their mistakes.
  9. ikken
    ikken 10 February 2014 11: 50
    +11
    I believe that the F-35 is a really needed vehicle for the United States. Let it be developed, brought to mind, experimenting with turning it into a VTOL aircraft, allocate enough funds for this business, sparing no budget. Even due to the creation of new corvettes, frigates, destroyers, due to the F-22, due to new armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, new helicopters. More Ospreys, Zumwalds and F-35s.

    And we will do good-old, non-futuristic-looking-but-well-working projects - destroyers, T-50, Ka-52, frigates, aircraft carriers, Yars, Boreas, T-90M, Cornets, Warriors ...

    And you, gentlemen, the American military, experiment, experiment, just do not bother us to rise and recover ...
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 10 February 2014 14: 56
      +2
      Quote: ikken
      experimenting with turning into VTOL


      VTOL is no longer relevant these days. Of course, it will give some comfort to the U.S. ILC when performing small operations, but in larger wars they are useless.

      Quote: ikken
      And you, gentlemen, the American military, experiment, experiment, just do not bother us to rise and recover ...


      I agree with that! wink
    2. 0255
      0255 10 February 2014 17: 34
      +1
      And you, gentlemen, the American military ... do not stop us from rising and recovering ...

      you ask for the impossible! The restoration of Russia, the White House 100% will not be happy. No wonder they supported Gorbachev in the 1980s
  10. Wiruz
    Wiruz 10 February 2014 11: 52
    +9
    Let's stop harassing F-35s, otherwise they won’t change their minds and curtail the program, though ... with such a huge investment and participation of so many countries (like 11), the F-35 program will not be curtailed. Probably they all just have a change in battle tactics - they will come from the calculation of 15 F-35 for 1 enemy aircraft.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 10 February 2014 15: 00
      +4
      Quote: Wiruz
      you never think again and curtail the program


      What they have already invested billions will not turn off. Everyone can haul him, but everyone knows that underestimating the enemy has never led to the best. We should not laugh at their plane, we must cry that we did not create a similar LFI for our Air Force. recourse
      1. 0255
        0255 10 February 2014 17: 40
        +4
        We should not laugh at their plane, we must cry that we did not create a similar LFI for our Air Force.

        all claims to thieving bureaucrats request In Soviet times, the MiG LFI was developed together with the MiG MFI, the Su-37 according to the "duck" scheme, the MiG-29M, which was supposed to be called the MiG-33. And now there is a MiG-35, which will not go into series production and the 5th generation MiG-XX project. No funding.
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 10 February 2014 17: 59
          +2
          Quote: 0255
          In Soviet times, MiG LFI was developed


          By the way, because the prototype has not yet been thrown into the junk (thank God). And if there is still a prototype, then there is still the opportunity to create a 5th generation LFI on its basis. Under Yeltsin, the MiG project certainly didn’t last until production, but in our time it is very possible. We need both PAK FA and LFI, especially since now finances allow it.
          1. SV
            SV 10 February 2014 22: 46
            0
            The MIG had a ready-made prototype, the SUKHO was gone, and! development money was given to SUkhoma. recourse
            (I am sincerely happy for the SU with their T-50 and the rest of the line of cars, they are excellent, but against lobbying and one-sided)
    2. SkiF_RnD
      SkiF_RnD 10 February 2014 23: 28
      0
      How? So now they have some other tactics? belay
  11. iwind
    iwind 10 February 2014 11: 58
    +12
    I became interested in the f-35 only later that the amount of "shit" spilled on it exceeded all reasonable limits.
    There are axioms in which I believe, namely planes do not create this does not happen. On this went to read the source ... And very surprised. Why so much misinformation or distortion of facts about the F-35 is pouring, I still do not understand.
    Well, the JSF program is taking its course. Recently, the first part was testing the F-35C, with large angles of attack, somewhere in about two months there will be a more interesting video. Basically, they worked against corkscrew software for EMDS. From the commentary of the pilots it can be understood that it is very easy to control the plane, even in the case of a corkscrew, the pilot does not need to take any action, the automatics will automatically take the plane out of the corkscrew.
    No matter how funny it sounds, test pilots say that they don’t need to be distracted by flying an aircraft; they are very stable and obedient and you can concentrate on using weapons.
    1. iwind
      iwind 10 February 2014 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: iwind
      I became interested in the f-35 only later that the amount of "shit" spilled on it exceeded all reasonable limits.
      There are axioms in which I believe, namely aircraft do not create this does not happen

      "There are axioms in which I believe, namely, airplanes do not create Fools this does not happen. "- missed a word
      1. edeligor
        edeligor 10 February 2014 15: 20
        +1
        Quote: iwind
        planes do not create FOOLS this does not happen.

        I agree with you only partially. If in our military aircraft industry the main task is to create the best aircraft in terms of price and combat quality, then the main task for Americans is to make the car SALE! Therefore, aggressive advertising, all kinds of praise, even from the contrary. I believe that all the boron cheese around the F-35 is part of the Lockheed advertising campaign. The trouble with this machine is that the Yankees again did not calculate their desires with the existing technical capabilities. I think that they will finish the plane and sell it to their partners ... only by that time there will be a need for a new steeper and more expensive model.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 10 February 2014 13: 05
      +7
      They also said a lot about the F-117 - that it is invisible (and free laughing) that it flies twice as fast as sound (along the way the speed of sound in the states is 150 meters per second) and so on and so forth. How did everyone remember?
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 10 February 2014 15: 03
        +4
        Quote: Wiruz
        How did everyone remember?


        drinks
        When the Serbs were asked "how did you manage to shoot down the F-117", they answered "we just did not know that he was invisible." laughing
        1. voliador
          voliador 10 February 2014 21: 06
          +1
          Stealth technology is most of all designed to work with an air enemy, on board which is a millimeter-wave radar. Against radar of centimeter and decimeter ranges, its effectiveness drops sharply.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 10 February 2014 21: 37
            +1
            Quote: voliador
            Against the radar of the centimeter and decimeter ranges, its effectiveness drops sharply.


            Given this, the Serbs shot down the 117th Soviet anti-aircraft gun.
    3. Onizuka teacher
      Onizuka teacher 10 February 2014 13: 05
      +5
      Let us recall how the USA praised its f22, dear and simply created for air supremacy. And put on a golden coffin against the middle powers, and a monster for the Papuans. Pilots from AE Aggressors on F16 shot down super f22. And if you remember that their Chinese were shot down, it becomes clear where the dog is buried. But f35 is inferior to f22, albeit by a little.

      http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/airforce/455-f-22aim-120.html
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 10 February 2014 13: 14
        +3
        What I do not remember when the F-22 participated in the hostilities ... You puzzled me. Now diving into the abyss of the Internet recourse
        1. 0255
          0255 10 February 2014 17: 49
          +1
          Quote: Wiruz
          What I do not remember when the F-22 participated in the hostilities ... You puzzled me. Now diving into the abyss of the Internet recourse

          There are articles on the Internet that the F-22 was shot down over China from a J-10 or Su-30 fighter.
          1. clidon
            clidon 10 February 2014 18: 01
            +2
            That's why he is on the Internet. Especially Chinese.
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    5. ed65b
      ed65b 10 February 2014 14: 03
      +2
      Quote: iwind
      No matter how funny it sounds, test pilots say that they don’t need to be distracted by flying an aircraft; they are very stable and obedient and you can concentrate on using weapons.

      And tries to use weapons then distracted ?? entrust drones to operators, and sit yourself reading magazines laughing
    6. Tiamat2702
      Tiamat2702 10 February 2014 14: 42
      +3
      Quote: iwind
      There are axioms in which I believe, namely planes do not create this does not happen.


      There is another axiom: a beautiful plane flies well. But I would not call the F-35 beautiful. And from some angles he is simply terrible. Now look at our T-50s, the SU and MiG family, on the Tu-160. Feel the difference? )))
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    8. Oboz
      Oboz 10 February 2014 19: 49
      +3
      Automatic transmission?
  12. sinukvl
    sinukvl 10 February 2014 12: 23
    0
    Yes, no one is trying to discredit the F-35, he discredits himself.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 10 February 2014 17: 17
      +1
      Very correct remark.
  13. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 10 February 2014 13: 03
    +9
    It's just that the states have nowhere to retreat, they are too bogged down in the project. And the shortcomings of this aircraft can be seen without a deep immersion in the subject.
    1 One engine, albeit a good one, but combat stability is lower.
    2 Flows from the first and claims to stealth, a small weapons compartment
    3 Not outstanding aerodynamics, also because of the layout, in order to place something decent, I had to make the plane a little pregnant.
    4 Excessive enthusiasm for electronics has led to an increase in failures and this is the law. Well, that’s the look of an amateur.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 10 February 2014 13: 16
      0
      I am also far from aviation, but the fact that the F-35 is crap covered with gold (moderators forgive me) I see with the naked eye.
  14. propolsky
    propolsky 10 February 2014 13: 38
    +5
    America strives to maintain global security role

    As Mishka Kvakin from "Timur and His Team" said: "This word is so international, it means they will beat." How they pulled up with their security and democracy !!!
  15. Leshka
    Leshka 10 February 2014 14: 39
    +1
    the future will show
  16. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 10 February 2014 15: 20
    +2
    It is necessary for McCain to write a collective letter, on behalf of the VO forum, about what an unsupervised plane they got and what we all got together in a friendly and fluid way, in anticipation of how our twinkles and drying would fall under the blows of their mighty transformer penguin. wassat

    America strives to maintain global security role

    ... what can I say. We have WORLD-WORLD, and they have GLOBAL SECURITY. The main thing is not to forget for whom it is, this global security and that obviously it cannot be missed by all.
  17. supertiger21
    supertiger21 10 February 2014 15: 22
    +3
    Statements by critics of the F-35 are indeed exaggerated.
    The Americans are still not going to let him into a "dog fight" with the PAK FA or other 5th generation aircraft. The lighting was originally created to successfully break through ground air defenses and destroy 4+ fighters from an average distance (MiG-29SMT, Rafal, Gripen) and 4 ++ (Su-35, Typhoon T-3, MiG-35). With the Su-35, Lightning will have less chances at medium distances, but theoretically other LFIs will not be able to carry him. Their chance is to pass with the F-35 in close and as close as possible to it (and go into the tail of course). So it is wrong to rely that many 4th generation aircraft will successfully cope with it. There are 2 aircraft surpassing the 35th in many parameters in the world, these are F-22 and T-50.Su-35 has superiority over the American 35th only in close combat.
    1. Tiamat2702
      Tiamat2702 10 February 2014 15: 43
      +1
      Quote: supertiger21
      The Americans are still not going to let him into a "dog fight" with the PAK FA or other 5th generation aircraft. The lighting was originally created to successfully break through ground air defenses and destroy 4+ fighters from an average distance (MiG-29SMT, Rafal, Gripen) and 4 ++ (Su-35, Typhoon T-3, MiG-35). With the Su-35, Lightning will have less chances at medium distances, but theoretically other LFIs will not be able to carry him. Their chance is to pass with the F-35 in close and as close as possible to it (and go into the tail of course). So it is wrong to rely that many 4th generation aircraft will successfully cope with it. There are 2 aircraft surpassing the 35th in many parameters in the world, these are F-22 and T-50.Su-35 has superiority over the American 35th only in close combat.

      But doesn’t it seem to you that in this case something really narrow scope is for a universal airplane, and for such a price ?! The drone drones (+ F-16, F-15 and F-18) would be quite able to cope with the tasks you listed. In addition, it would be significantly cheaper.
      And the second one: who then hang the task of participation in Dogfight? Or do you think that the combat effectiveness of the F-35 at medium and long distances will be so high that it simply won’t get to dog fighting ?!
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 10 February 2014 16: 38
        +3
        Quote: Tiamat2702
        But doesn’t it seem to you that in this case something really narrow scope is for a universal airplane


        Why is it narrow ??? It will be much easier to carry out the air defense breakthrough for Lightning than its counterparts F-15E, F-16 and F / A-18E / F, since it has stealth technologies and will notice it much later.

        Quote: Tiamat2702
        yes for such a price ?!


        The price of the F-35A (the main and most popular modification) is 83 million, and with the start of export it is planned to reduce to 75 million. A good price for a 5th generation fighter.

        Quote: Tiamat2702
        In addition, it would be significantly cheaper.


        It is cheaper to be inconspicuous when intercepting thanks to stealth technologies than to lose 10-15 F-16s (or another aircraft) shot down from the ground by S-300 systems.

        Quote: Tiamat2702
        And the second one: who then hang the task of participation in Dogfight? Or do you think that the combat effectiveness of the F-35 at medium and long distances will be so high that it simply won’t get to dog fighting ?!


        The American doctrine of the WB states that it should not reach Dog Fight. American pilots are trained to defeat the enemy at medium / long distances without entering the line of sight. If it comes to the "close-range meat grinder", then the Americans mean "pilot error ", which needs to be corrected by the skills of the ability to fight in the" dog dump ". On the contrary, we must reduce the distance with the enemy in order to drag him accordingly to the BVB.
        1. alean245
          alean245 10 February 2014 16: 58
          0
          Why is it narrow ??? It will be much easier to carry out the air defense breakthrough for Lightning than its counterparts F-15E, F-16 and F / A-18E / F, since it has stealth technologies and will notice it much later.

          It is cheaper to be inconspicuous when intercepting thanks to stealth technologies than to lose 10-15 F-16s (or another aircraft) shot down from the ground by S-300 systems.

          This is only so long as the enemy does not use long-wave and bistatic radars, which will notice the F35 from the same distances as the F-15E, F-16 and F / A-18E / F.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 10 February 2014 17: 19
            0
            Quote: alean245
            This is only so long as the enemy does not use long-wave and bistatic radars, which will notice the F35 from the same distances as the F-15E, F-16 and F / A-18E / F.


            I agree, but not everyone has such radars, and the probability of noticing the F-35 will not be 100%. They plan to use lightings to break through the older S-75, S-125, and S-300 air defense systems (early modifications). These complexes less dangerous to him than the 15th, 16th and 18th F-cams.
          2. clidon
            clidon 10 February 2014 18: 09
            +3
            Longwaves notice stealth at shorter distances, but certainly more effective than short waves. Moreover, they are more often susceptible to interference, are large in size, expensive in production, and cannot give accurate target designation. Bistatic, not only do they require a more complex in structure and, accordingly, less stable radar system, they also work at a shorter range.
            In general, "stealth" will be much better to overcome air defense systems than its predecessors. But of course it is not some kind of harsh panacea.
            1. alean245
              alean245 10 February 2014 19: 52
              0
              Longwave spot stealth at shorter distances

              Since when? At long wavelengths, it doesn’t matter whether the aircraft has angular shapes or not, from the point of view of electrodynamics it represents one large dipole reflector.
              production roads

              Dear, there is a whole class of standby radars operating in the meter range. Something I did not hear that they were expensive. On the contrary, the high cost completely contradicts the concept of such radars. What can be expensive in comparison with shorter-wave counterparts? Transceiver equipment? So it is the cheaper, the lower the frequency. DSP equipment? It does not depend much on RF equipment. A healthy antenna? So it will just be less sensitive to the spread of parameters in production and simple as a brick.
              cannot give accurate target designation

              Yes, but in technology in all respects, as a rule, you cannot win.
              Bistatic, not only do they require a more complex in structure and, accordingly, less stable radar system, they also work at a shorter range.

              Well, let's once again adopt the Redoubt-type radar. As simple and cheap as possible laughing.
              1. clidon
                clidon 10 February 2014 20: 42
                +1
                Since when?

                Since then, the shape of the dipole also matters. Stealths are sharpened for reduced visibility and meter range - so the F-117 had a completely flat "iron bottom".

                Dear, there is a whole class of standby radars operating in the meter range. Something I did not hear that they were expensive.

                First of all, they are expensive due to their power characteristics. I did not see a price tag for such systems lower than 3 million rubles, 6 years ago.

                Well, let's once again adopt the Redoubt-type radar.

                All I mean is that the fight against stealth is not "once or twice and done." And a new round of confrontation between projectile and armor. If you fail to comply, they will bury it.
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 10 February 2014 17: 21
          +2
          The Israeli military in negotiations with the American side said that the onboard systems of the F-35 are not capable of performing combat missions in the conditions of the Middle East region. For example, it was reported that the F-35 fighter would not be able to withstand the Syrian anti-aircraft missile systems SA-17 (Buk-M2) and SA-22 (Pantsir-S1). An agreement has been reached, but the first batch of F-35A fighters for the Israeli Air Force will not differ from the same aircraft of the US Air Force. Since no technical changes will be made to the first aircraft for Israel, the F-35 will be delivered on time and at the previously agreed price.
          http://pro-samolet.ru/blog-pro-samolet/872-israel-aircraft-f35
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 10 February 2014 17: 50
            +3
            Quote: mirag2
            An agreement has been reached, but the first batch of F-35A fighters for the Israeli Air Force will not be different from the same aircraft of the US Air Force. Since the first aircraft for Israel will not be subject to technical changes, the F-35 will be delivered on time and at the previously agreed price.


            As far as I know, the Israelis are going to introduce their developments and systems into the aircraft they have received. Even the weapons are going to be installed domestically (Israeli). They are also going to give the Israeli modification the name "Adir" (in Hebrew).
            1. mirag2
              mirag2 10 February 2014 18: 06
              +1
              Yes, they are going, but the title was not in the know.
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  18. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 10 February 2014 18: 20
    +1
    Everyone asserts that the Americans will shoot us from long distances. Did the shooter grow? Rocket x172 range 400km x620 200km and so on. Something I did not find in them rockets with such parameters unless a prototype based on aim 120 with a range of 180 km.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 10 February 2014 19: 10
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      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      Everyone asserts that the Americans will shoot us from long distances.


      Such an approach in their WB doctrine exists even from the F-4 fighter-bomber. Later, such tactics were used on the F-15 during the wars in Lebanon and in the Gulf. "First saw, first launched a missile, first shot down" - but this tactic was not always worked, just remember the same Vietnam.

      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      Rocket x172 range 400km x620 200km and so on.


      So the bottom line is that there are stealth technologies. And the plane in most cases will be detected if it is possible to get to close combat. At a distance of 400 km, to find a 5th generation plane is like "finding a needle in a haystack." at least it is difficult to do without AWACS aircraft.

      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      unless a prototype based on aim 120 with a range of 180 km.


      The AIM-120 is only 120 km so far, but the early modifications proved to be well established in Yugoslavia (1999). The Yugoslav Migrants were blinded by NATO obstacles and had to search for the 15th and 16th manually with the dormant radar station. Meanwhile, the F-15 successfully attacked blink at a safe distance undetected. On the F-35 with stealth technology and the latest AIM-120 modification, this tactic will be even more dangerous for enemy fighters. To prevent this, only the 35th generation fighter should be fired against the F-5.
  19. marder4
    marder4 10 February 2014 18: 55
    0
    Is the Yankee really global superiority in aviation? )))
    1. clidon
      clidon 10 February 2014 19: 03
      +4
      In general, yes.
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 10 February 2014 21: 00
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    (John McCain), may become "the greatest military aircraft in the history of world aviation."

    Everything is as usual - in the style of "he is" and no information, just our weapon is the coolest in the world! The whole picture is spoiled by just two words can be or maybe not!
  21. alone
    alone 10 February 2014 21: 20
    +2
    It’s too early to slander the f-35. Only those who controlled the aircraft or participated in at least an educational battle against him can kill it. And the rest is a product of His Majesty's jingoism.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 10 February 2014 21: 45
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      Quote: lonely
      It’s too early to slander the f-35.


      I did not spread rot.

      Quote: lonely
      Only those who controlled the aircraft or participated against it at least in a training battle can rot it.


      Definitely true! yes

      Quote: lonely
      And all the rest is a product of His Majesty cheers-patriotism.


      Well, about "uryaism" in vain they mentioned it. While everyone is arguing their position and not talking empty discontent towards the American F-35.
  22. gawroche
    gawroche 10 February 2014 21: 22
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    A beautiful fighter, just watching 3 videos posted "A Nas Pat" Israel does not know why the chief leader of the test pilots with his own hands shows that he (F-35) is like an ass (voice off). And one more thing, I know why the cockpit opens to the front, for the pilot to be able to throw hand grenades or "Molotov cocktails"
  23. darksoul
    darksoul 10 February 2014 21: 56
    +3
    bad good .... judging by the experts, I can say one thing that looks like a gobbled up American sausage, for drying or for a moment you look, the eye is happy .... and what kind of sausage is this?
  24. supertiger21
    supertiger21 10 February 2014 22: 49
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    Before the F-35 arrived, it was already putting its footsteps on its competitors, the European Typhoon and the compatriot F / A-18E / F. The first it almost completely closed the European market, and the second the market of marine fighter aircraft in the world and in the US allies market. It has not yet closed the MiG-35 and Saab Gripen markets. However, the French Dasso must hurry to sell Rafal in places where Lockheed Martin and his F-35 have not yet arrived.
  25. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 11 February 2014 00: 01
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    And why some citizens decided that the US radars would see everything, but the su 35, instant 35 and instant 31 not. Evidence in the studio. Moreover, the stealth f 35 is very conditional. The radars on our planes are no worse, or maybe better, and they can also use the reb systems. As for the Avaks and others like them, their life will most likely not be long, because in a serious mess Russia will not observe borders and there will be other distances.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 11 February 2014 14: 22
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      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      And why some citizens decided that the US radars would see everything, but the su 35, instant 35 and instant 31 not.


      The catch is that the F-35 has stealth technology, so it will be very difficult to detect it, even the Su-35 with its powerful and long-range radar (400 km). Theoretically, the Lightings are the first to notice the enemy (not having stealth), occupy the advantageous they intercept and strike. Moreover, he can do this from a distance of 100-120 km. Therefore, it is dangerous for any 4+ and 4 ++ aircraft to fight with him at medium / long range. Our (and other) pilots will have to use weakness American 5P fighter in close combat, where the Su-35 and MiG-35 have significant superiority over it. For this, our pilots should not turn on the radar until the line of sight of the F-35 using AWACS aircraft. And if our Drying or MiG goes into the tail by the 35th, the latter is unlikely to go anywhere. But this is theory, practice will be unpredictable.