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Diagnosis in bags

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Speaking recently at the XXII International Christmas Readings in Moscow, Archpriest Dimitry Smirnov said: “In terms of disease, even among schoolchildren, and in terms of extinction speed, we have half a century left to exist both as a people and as a state.” The chairman of the Patriarchal Commission on the Family, Protection of Motherhood and Childhood paid special attention to the number of abortions that was killing for the country and the people, once Russian, once Orthodox.


Diagnosis in bags


The country loses millions of lives a year according to the will of those who must give this life - their parents. Well, we are surprised if there are less and less Russians every year, and Russia is in danger of disappearing?

Although, I confess, the words of Dimitry Smirnov’s father about the speed of extinction did not surprise me much. However, they were not surprised either, because not so long ago I had the opportunity to see this for myself - without any disturbing speeches and loud alarm calls.

Six months ago, our son was born. Sawa. Strong such smiles. How not to smile - the third child in the family: maybe he feels that he is not alone. Maternity hospital, nerves, panic, transmission, calls, friends, greetings, waiting - albeit fun, but tiring. It is time to take his wife with the young home. Let's go with a friend - he is calm, reasonable, and his car is spacious. While there was an extract from the maternity hospital, we were standing at the porch, waiting for the next family happiness to appear. We wait a long time - we decided to go for a walk.

Suddenly a brakes screech: a beaten-up, ambulance driver flies into the hospital yard. She stopped - the door opens, two orderlies come out. Well, go and go - you never know, it happens. The orderlies approach the back door of the car, open it, take out two huge bags and with great effort drag them to some special entrance to the building. Halfway, apparently tired up - got up to smoke. They tell something to each other, laugh, smoke. Their huge bags, of course, put on the ground. On the bags there is an inscription in some big curved letters. We peered: "Abortion" - was written in red, bloody ink. That is so simply, walking around - bring a couple of kilograms of killed children ("waste") where it is necessary for disposal, at the same time to have a smoke-laugh. This work, yes, of course.

Of course, not in the orderlies, it is silly to condemn them: they do what is ordered. Just imagine the picture itself: you are standing on the porch of the maternity hospital, you meet your wife with a newborn son, you are happy to be impossible, you make plans there, you have a certain importance (you see how many fathers have many children) who are crazy for the first time and to you - here, get: two huge bags with such a life-affirming inscription. Grow a country; live, people ...

These two bags, in my opinion, are our entire diagnosis: we do not want to live. With such a diagnosis, shouting patriotic chants, of course, is possible, but they sound unconvincing somehow. And you ask yourself a question: if we, once Russians, once Orthodox, will disappear from the world storiesWill it not be a logical consequence of our - not Russian or non-Orthodox - way of life?

- Why do you have some kind of glass eyes like dolphins? - surprised wife, just released on the porch of the hospital. - Not happy, or what? Or overjoyed waiting?

“It was a reason, yes,” I muttered.

My wife resented a few more minutes why the father met his son without a smile. Yes, and a strange friend. But we didn’t tell her anything - let him not know.

Not surprised father Dimitri. So recalled.
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  1. Oleg_Merser
    Oleg_Merser 10 February 2014 10: 06
    +1
    prohibit abortion is necessary
    1. calocha
      calocha 10 February 2014 15: 42
      +9
      Disable telephony
      Internet and TV and enter the three-week holidays.)))
      Prohibit condoms and pills against pregnancy, ban GMO products as affect the offspring and the reproductive system. Encourage large families .... the introduction of benefits and donations of apartments and the repayment of interest on loans and borrowings !!! Raise the price of tobacco and vodka to heaven, conduct widespread promotion of a healthy lifestyle !!!!
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 10 February 2014 16: 08
        +15
        Quote: calocha
        Prohibit condoms and pills against pregnancy, ban GMO products as affect the offspring and the reproductive system. Encourage large families .... the introduction of benefits and donations of apartments and the repayment of interest on loans !!!

        How do you imagine this if we are run by traders, for whom the main profit is and so that in bucks and now !? What repayment of loans, if the state protects the interests of bankers and large owners!
        Quote: calocha
        Raise the price of tobacco and vodka to heaven

        This is easy! And along the way for gasoline and utilities, introduce a social norm for electricity! This is welcome.
        Quote: calocha
        conduct propaganda of a healthy lifestyle everywhere !!!!

        And what is the profit from this? And who will buy vodka and tobacco?
        On the contrary, such movements will be prohibited.
        http://vk.com/russia_jog
        but on the contrary, support such dibilism!
        http://www.zakon436.ru/stop_books.php
        "Title of the work


        Subject of prohibition


        The basis of the ban for the age group up to 6 years

        "Ivan Tsarevich and the Gray Wolf" - Russian people.


        The scenes of theft of a horse, Elena the Beautiful, etc.


        Only 6 years old is allowed - the information contains episodic images or descriptions of these acts or crimes that do not induce antisocial acts or crimes, provided that their admissibility is not justified and not justified and a negative, condemning attitude towards the persons committing them is expressed.

        "Kolobok" - Russian people.


        Physical abuse of Kolobok in the episode of eating Kolobok Fox


        Information containing episodic, unnaturalistic description of physical violence justified by its plot, subject to the triumph of good over evil and expression of compassion for the victim of violence.
        The precept of the triumph of good over evil is not fulfilled. "
    2. Svobodny
      Svobodny 10 February 2014 16: 04
      0
      For the prohibition of abortion in Russia: https://www.roi.ru/515/
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 10 February 2014 16: 11
        +24
        Quote: Svobodny
        For the prohibition of abortion in Russia: https://www.roi.ru/515/

        We must not prohibit abortion, but change the Western matrix of values ​​(imposed by the perestroika) in the head of people, at least to the Soviet one, since they’re not able to come up with anything better!
        1. vo.dum
          vo.dum 10 February 2014 21: 21
          +2
          Not only the matrix ... but also the filthy carriers of this matrix - there is half the government and all the oligarch (frens) - they gave vent at 23 years old, they crap one's pants to the fullest ... and not 23 .... - we must also consider the perestroika .. Hm-it’s generally tin, and by quiet they were allowed to import and produce all the same –– by the decision of the RF government –– without noise so quiet glanders ... –but if the bone is for the people ...– noise, hi ... look what patriots we are and in fact ... r ... m ... oh is my opinion. hi
        2. AVV
          AVV 10 February 2014 22: 59
          +1
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Quote: Svobodny
          For the prohibition of abortion in Russia: https://www.roi.ru/515/

          We must not prohibit abortion, but change the Western matrix of values ​​(imposed by the perestroika) in the head of people, at least to the Soviet one, since they’re not able to come up with anything better!

          Television should show appropriate films !!! The Zhurbin family or the like !!! Cinema should make such films, the Church should carry out the relevant ones !!! Muslims and without all this breed like obsessed people, we must take an example from them, from the Chinese, from the Arabs , religion knows well there is a serious sin on consciousness and abortion !!! That’s where it goes! Yes, the state should give a mortgage to young people at no more than 1.5 percent, otherwise the state’s care is not visible !!!
    3. SV
      SV 10 February 2014 16: 11
      +3
      prohibit abortion is necessary

      Ban official, there will be clandestine! Here it is necessary to act very subtly, taking into account mentality and the use of social instruments / example of alcoholism - the issue has become much less acute (compared to the 90s).
      But for this it is necessary to find competent officials and make them work, which is difficult ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 February 2014 16: 18
        +3
        Quote: SV
        Ban official, there will be clandestine!

        To introduce amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and to judge for clandestine abortion as an aggravated murder, and I will see how many doctors decide on it. hi
        1. igor67
          igor67 10 February 2014 16: 58
          +8
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: SV
          Ban official, there will be clandestine!

          To introduce amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, and to judge for clandestine abortion as an aggravated murder, and I will see how many doctors decide on it. hi

          Already been: Abortion is forbidden (1936–1955)
          On June 27, 1936, a resolution was passed by the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR prohibiting abortion1. Before this, “broad support by the workers” of the draft law on the prohibition of abortion (the draft was published in May 1936) was organized in the media. The text of the decision itself states that the Soviet government went "to meet the numerous statements of working women."
          Immediately after the adoption of the law on the prohibition of abortion, their number naturally decreased sharply, and the number of births increased. For example, in the Leningrad hospitals in the first half of 1936, 43,6 thousand abortion operations were performed, and in the second half of the year, only 7354. The number of births in Moscow increased from 70 thousand in 1935 to 136 thousand in 1937- m5. But this effect was short-lived. The factors that contributed to the birth control were stronger than the pro-natalist policies of the party and government.

          After 1937, the number of registered abortions began to increase (Table 1). In the USSR as a whole, in 1937, 568 thousand abortions were recorded, in 1939 - 723 thousand, in 1940 - 807 thousand. 6. The proportion of abortions among all pregnancies in 1939 amounted to 10,8% in the RSFSR, including 22% in cities and 3% in rural areas7. In 1939, in the cities of Russia, the abortion rate, according to E. Sadvokasova’s estimates, reached 36,5 per 1000 women aged 15–49 years, and in Moscow - 34,7 (indicators close to those of the end of the 8th century) XNUMX.

          Table 1. Number of registered abortions, Russia, 1937–1940


          Total

          Including incomplete

          The proportion of incomplete abortions,%

          1937

          355 025

          327 898

          92

          1938

          429 695

          396 362

          92

          1939

          464 246

          424 500

          91

          1940

          500 516

          452 557

          90

          Source: Avdeev A., Blum A., Troitskaya I. L'avortement et la contraception en Russie et dans l'ex-URSS: histoire et présent // Dossiers et Recherches. No. 41. Paris, INED: 1993: 69–72.

          Under the legislative ban, a system of illegal abortion was quickly established, and the practice of self-abortion was also widespread. There appeared people who for a fee paid advice on how to terminate a pregnancy: “Abortion, after it was banned, when its production became illegal, turned into an expensive crime.” 9
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        3. siberalt
          siberalt 11 February 2014 00: 11
          +1
          If you prohibit abortion, young women will die. Who will be tried for their murder? Any woman can do an "underground" abortion for herself, if you don't know. Only the consequences are often sad.
          1. Svobodny
            Svobodny 17 February 2014 15: 01
            0
            Quote: siberalt
            If abortion is prohibited, young women will die.

            But you will not forbid - unborn children will die. The most interesting thing is that you personally pay for it as a taxpayer.

            Who will be tried for their murder? Any woman can do an "underground" abortion for herself, if you don't know. Only the consequences are often sad.


            Whom to judge if there is no mind. Some of us even jump from the roof. What's next?
      2. Svobodny
        Svobodny 10 February 2014 21: 14
        0
        Quote: SV
        Ban official, there will be clandestine!

        Yes, they will. But we also have drug dens underground. Is this, in your opinion, a reason for the legalization of drugs? Counterfeiters also operate underground. So maybe we will legalize them and we will "fight the root causes" and engage in "prevention"? laughing
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 10 February 2014 21: 28
          +1
          Quote: Svobodny
          Quote: SV
          Ban official, there will be clandestine!

          But we also have drug dens underground. Is this, in your opinion, a reason for the legalization of drugs? Counterfeiters also operate underground. So maybe we will legalize them and we will "fight the root causes" and engage in "prevention"? laughing

          "The European Union obliged its members to include prostitution and drug trafficking in economic statistics
          This is necessary for the statistical data on the size of the economies of the EU member states to correspond to each other, since prostitution and drug use are legal in some EU countries, such as in the Netherlands. The first results should be ready by September. " smile
        2. Millavellor
          Millavellor 11 February 2014 09: 32
          -1
          There is no need to prohibit anything. It is necessary to CREATE CONDITIONS for people to give birth to children. First of all, financial. Mortgages, normal payments, etc. Do you think people do not want children? First of all, they do not want, as we say, "to produce poverty."
    4. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 10 February 2014 16: 17
      +12
      Prohibitions do not achieve much. An integrated approach is needed: the birth of a third, fourth, etc. should be encouraged. child (financially and morally), it is necessary to introduce a tax on childlessness, it is necessary to "break" the psychology of selfishness (not a "collective farm", but a "football team", not "create poverty", but "this is our future" ...), it is necessary " to inform "the people that childlessness or" little children "is the psychology of losers, in antenatal clinics those who are going to have an abortion, first, send them for a conversation with a priest, a mullah, a rabbi, a psychologist (it is necessary to dissuade from abortion in every possible way), etc. and only after this conversation to send for an abortion, if, after all, there is a desire, and as the most extreme measure, to sterilize the negligent mom and dad during the abortion.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 10 February 2014 22: 04
        +1
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        Prohibitions do not achieve much. An integrated approach is needed: the birth of a third, fourth, etc. should be encouraged. child (financially and morally), it is necessary to introduce a tax on childlessness, it is necessary to "break" the psychology of selfishness (not a "collective farm", but a "football team", not "create poverty", but "this is our future" ...), it is necessary " to inform "the people that childlessness or" little children "is the psychology of losers, in antenatal clinics, those who are going to have an abortion, first, send them for a conversation with the priest, mullah, rabbi, psychologist (it is necessary to discourage abortion in every possible way), etc. and only after this conversation to send for an abortion, if, after all, there is a desire, and as the most extreme measure, to sterilize a negligent mother and father during the abortion

        Well written, I agree completely!
        I want to add a little, the state should do everything so that a family with children does not have material difficulties. Then, of course, education should be free!
        And the program allows you to purchase housing with reasonable conditions, not just like a mortgage similar to hard labor !!!
    5. voliador
      voliador 10 February 2014 17: 59
      +1
      For Oleg_Merser

      Do you have any homos left soon laughing .
    6. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 10 February 2014 19: 46
      +2
      Quote: Oleg_Merser
      prohibit abortion is necessary

      With a caveat, do it only for medical reasons, such as a threat to the mother’s life, or serious genetic abnormalities after conducting appropriate multiple examinations (the decision to be taken by the council to reduce the risk of corruption). For falsifying the results of the examination to the doctor responsible for this lifelong prohibition of medical practice, for clandestine abortion - imprisonment (including for mothers). All conceived children without abnormalities must be born. If the parents (mother) for some reason are not ready to raise a child, foster parents or the state will do it (enough money for the Olympics, they must find the future of the nation).
    7. ty60
      ty60 10 February 2014 20: 06
      +1
      a complete ban does not pass. Allow only for medical reasons. For the rest, turn on the head. Orthodoxy says, intercourse FOR CONTINUING DELIVERY!
      1. alone
        alone 10 February 2014 21: 55
        0
        All world book religions condemn abortion. Abortion is a great sin. Abortion can only be done when the mother is in mortal danger.
        But prohibitions can hardly fix the situation. They just go underground. The executioners will earn more than that.
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 11 February 2014 00: 14
          +1
          At the same time to plant men for masturbation. Only for intercourse!
  2. Const
    Const 10 February 2014 11: 23
    +4
    Deny is not salvation. It is necessary to build up administrative barriers so that there is no mass, and the rest is under tight control. Yes, and illegal butchers to the highest degree. I think so.
  3. Burmistr
    Burmistr 10 February 2014 15: 33
    +3
    Article that knife in the heart ... I already shed a tear ...
  4. Gronsky
    Gronsky 10 February 2014 15: 40
    +10
    Prohibiting, restricting, administering will not help. Until consciousness and the desire to live, with all the attendant joys, return to people. While we are at the very beginning of this path and come to consciousness oh how tight. But dashing mischief has begun and propaganda needs to be acted as well. We must drive it into our heads that there should be a lot of us and everyone should be healthy.
    1. Svobodny
      Svobodny 10 February 2014 21: 06
      +1
      Quote: Gronsky
      Prohibiting, restricting, administering will not help.

      Well, why doesn’t it help ?? I do not understand. After all, it’s forbidden to kill people here, it’s forbidden to trade in drugs. Why is it possible to kill unborn children? What kind of prevention are you repeating with such statistics. In Russia, only officially more than 1 million !!! abortion per year!
      1. Gronsky
        Gronsky 10 February 2014 22: 49
        0
        Quote: Svobodny
        Well, why doesn’t it help ?? I do not understand. After all, it’s forbidden to kill people here, it’s forbidden to trade in drugs. Why is it possible to kill unborn children? What kind of prevention are you repeating with such statistics. In Russia, only officially more than 1 million !!! abortion per year!


        I’ll clarify that only the ban will not help. For example, if you forbid a young, healthy kid to go around girls, will he stop doing this? I think no. Remember the student youth. wink He will walk until there is one from which he does not want to leave and everything by itself will fall into place.
        So in this case. Until young people from young nails are brought up in an atmosphere of intolerance to abortion, until they pour in from all the cracks that abortion is bad, and many children are good, until among young girls it ceases to be a fashionable kind of independent female (ala Ksyusha Sobchak) While normal work will not allow you to feed, teach, raise children without the stress of the last forces and breaking the vest, nothing will change. Whether you forbid it or not.
    2. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 11 February 2014 05: 05
      +1
      Quote: Gronsky
      Prohibiting, restricting, administering will not help. Until consciousness and the desire to live, with all the attendant joys, return to people. While we are at the very beginning of this path and come to consciousness oh how tight. But dashing mischief has begun and propaganda needs to be acted as well. We must drive it into our heads that there should be a lot of us and everyone should be healthy.


      + 1. A lot of emotions in this matter. Meanwhile, one must remember what the prohibitions of abortion after the war led to. Tens and hundreds of thousands of deaths of young women from criminal abortions. It was. And this is scary.
      Many families could not afford extra mouths - there was no strength to feed. The prohibition of abortion has further aggravated the situation in the country with demographics. And not only when the children were left without a mother, in the arms of their fathers. Also, the social factor overlapped.

      The ban will not help - again there will be a wave of criminal abortions, among "doctors" and on their own.
      Raising the standard of living is the only answer. And then there will be no need to convince anyone - people themselves give birth.
  5. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 10 February 2014 16: 01
    +17
    from the Don.
    We were turned from a society of creators into a society of consumers. We were envied by the virus. Chasing rags, cars, etc., turned us into cattle. You can’t achieve anything with bans, you must start with yourself, with your family! The state should not stand aside either. The law on motherhood, as in the USSR! Only this, no one holding power, is needed. It is more profitable to steer zombie media, advertising, hating each other population!
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  7. tomket
    tomket 10 February 2014 16: 06
    +9
    It's not about bans. We have a generation like this now. It’s not even that, as it seems to many, a child is a responsibility, you need to provide it, no. Is it difficult to raise a child with the whole family, can your grandparents help, and how did you give birth before, for example, after the war? There was nothing, but they gave birth. The fact is that it’s easier for a young girl to have an abortion after taking a drink in a club, and continue to club with her friends and friends, rather than leave the deadline, and start with her usual way of life. I’m silent about the daddies who don’t give a damn who flew from them. The culture should be changed, not prohibitions introduced.
  8. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 10 February 2014 16: 15
    +11
    As the proponents of the prohibitions are tired, soon there will be only prohibitions around. Maybe it’s worth not prohibitions to produce, but to change the system in which we live. Change the education of youth. In a country where everything is sold, where money is God, any prohibition is just an excuse for a bribe.
  9. konvalval
    konvalval 10 February 2014 16: 18
    +11
    You can, of course, ban everything that was offered here. Only who will comply with these prohibitions. It is necessary to create conditions in order to raise children was financially accessible to every family.
  10. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 10 February 2014 16: 20
    +10
    First you need to change the attitude of the state towards us, or we need to change the government in this state.
  11. HUMANOID
    HUMANOID 10 February 2014 16: 41
    +12
    Quote: konvalval
    You can, of course, ban everything that was offered here. Only who will comply with these prohibitions. It is necessary to create conditions in order to raise children was financially accessible to every family.


    In our country, a large family is found in poverty and those social handoutswho still need to be prayed on their knees do not save from poverty. I know this from my own experience, I have three, we are waiting for the fourth.
    1. Svobodny
      Svobodny 10 February 2014 21: 08
      0
      large family ... waiting for the fourth.

      HUMANOID, you really are from another planet))) hi

      Unfortunately, we have 4 abortions in every second family, not 4 children ...
  12. Weniamin
    Weniamin 10 February 2014 16: 43
    +2
    Give people a decent wage and the problem of abortion will disappear by itself.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 10 February 2014 18: 28
      +3
      Quote: Weniamin
      Give people a decent wage and the problem of abortion will disappear by itself.

      Yeah, and on the collective farms, when they worked for workdays, they gave birth in many respects from the fact that they did not receive money at all? So wealth in the family does not play a major role in childbirth. But rather the opposite, the poorer the family, the more children. Until we get envy, greed and indifference out of our heads, abortion will not decrease and the population will not grow. From an early age, expectant mothers should be convinced that abortion is dangerous to life and their health. To do this, you must constantly, for example, show films about unsuccessful abortions and their consequences. And drop by drop, we will achieve a change in consciousness among the population in relation to abortion. Unfortunately, this will take a lot of time, but I think there is no other way.
      1. leks
        leks 10 February 2014 22: 17
        0
        SRC P-15
        You are wrong my parents from the state in the 80s received about 40 Soviet rubles for two children, Mother says that in those years this money was enough for the whole family for a whole month, while my father worked on a collective farm and received about 100 rubles, maybe a little more or less for sure I don’t remember (I will have to ask).
        In those years, there was a family institution, divorces were rare and men didn’t disappear if their girlfriend was pregnant, but it was also rare, since mostly children appeared nine ten months after the wedding.
        Now it’s not there, our young people got it into their heads that it’s normal to live only for themselves, what kind of children can be discussed if money and life are in the first place for them for pleasure.
        I also want to say that it is not necessary to blame only girls for abortions, I’m sure that the majority of them would have given birth to children, but circumstances just forced her, and they are such, her boyfriend who swore love to her suddenly disappeared, he turns out to be a child does not need to understand yourself with this (your pregnancy is your problem) And put yourself in her place, your studies are not finished, there is no work, you don’t get a penny from the state, and your parents are not happy what to tell her to do ????
        So the prohibitions will not help.
        That's when we will have a healthy society, when the family institution will return, when there will be enormous support at the state level in the form of social assistance, and also when they will give decent money for the child so that Mother knows that she can even raise a child and one or two, then and abortions will become practically unnecessary, and refuseniks will close for no need, and orphanages will close.
    2. alone
      alone 10 February 2014 21: 57
      +1
      Quote: Weniamin
      Give people a decent wage and the problem of abortion will disappear by itself.


      Not a fact. Earlier, people generally lived half-starved, but this did not stop them from having 8-12 children. People used to be God-fearing, but now most of them are on the drum.
  13. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 10 February 2014 16: 56
    +3
    Demography is our most serious problem in Russia. The economy, military threats, technological lag - everything is fixable, and if he doesn’t make a demographic breakthrough, the generation of the late eighties, then ...
    1. Svobodny
      Svobodny 10 February 2014 21: 23
      0
      Quote: FC Skif
      m will make a demographic breakthrough generation of the late eighties

      According to some estimates, this jerk is not the notorious three or even 5 children per 1 family. And ... 8 - a minimum.

      PS: But this, of course, does not mean that those born in the 80s need to give up)))))))))
  14. wolf1945
    wolf1945 10 February 2014 17: 38
    +3
    Let children’s allowance be raised at least to the minimum! soldier
    1. ty60
      ty60 10 February 2014 20: 29
      0
      Twice as little children! This is our future. And for now, if the grandfather and grandmother are not disabled, they take out their retirement. The shooter came to a Moscow school with our permission — security bribes, the school’s fund, class-feeding fund for class teachers and directors .Professional security, from the former SOBR officers, And not one on the building, and not the second at the director’s office. The federal program has matured with the appropriate funding. Which of those present on the site is ready to propose the project? So, in parts, we will RESTORE the nation. Every day. Let's knock in cabinet doors, more likely to be heard
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  16. voliador
    voliador 10 February 2014 18: 15
    +2
    Who will give you this most worthy salary? And villas in France what to buy?
  17. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 10 February 2014 18: 25
    +3
    You, my dears, have probably forgotten the words of prof. Preobrazhensky from Bulgakov's "Heart of a Dog": "Devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads ..." No money and other measures of coercion will force our women to give birth to children, but only the deepest Faith and Confidence in Tomorrow can reverse the current situation. What good did our liberal government offer besides maternity capital, perhaps juvenile justice, and this is a road to nowhere. Under the guise of beautiful words, they rob and destroy the future of Russia to please their overseas teachers and masters! Oh, Russia is a bird of three, but only the coachman is drunk to amazement or drugged!
    1. ty60
      ty60 10 February 2014 20: 31
      0
      And we have it all. Only where is he that way?
  18. Mercenary
    Mercenary 10 February 2014 18: 26
    0
    it was so and unfortunately it will be. the problem is that not one non-Russian non-Soviet government has ever appreciated its people. examples above the roof; starting from worshiping everything foreign, executions in 37-39 and ending with many millions of payments for operations to children abroad. they are better off writing off debts to Vietnam, Cuba, etc. than they will pay for their help. people don’t want to breed poverty. And for the Moscow kindergarten 92 thousand a month?
  19. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 10 February 2014 18: 27
    +3
    If this is done, then it is beneficial for someone. In order to change the situation, you don’t need a lot of mind. Give people prosperity and confidence in the future.
  20. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 10 February 2014 18: 27
    0
    Abortion is a misfortune for Russia, whether we want it or not, but it is necessary to introduce prohibitive measures. Help for young parents should be effective, and not the one that "LADIES with comrades" came up with and paid maternity leave should be up to 3 years, as in the USSR. Money for motherhood support and protection of childhood is easy to find, they just were not looked for, it is enough to introduce the same luxury tax or progressive income tax as in Germany, France, Scandinavian countries, etc.
    1. Nicola
      Nicola 10 February 2014 19: 00
      +4
      If only yes! Give, enter, etc. For more than 20 years of democracy — if there was a desire to work for the good of their country and living people — they would live in the emirates. To plunder a country like the USSR and steal Russia’s natural resources every year, you must be an enemy of your people. Want to ban something? sit yourself on a fierce diet and safely leave for another world. While the heads of the people are completely hopeless. do not expect exploits from women and men. Until the young family pays for housing, for birth and kindergarten, school and further education of the first child, they themselves are pensioners and with a beggarly pension. It’s not necessary to change people, but the social structure of our hostel-Russia.
    2. Kite
      Kite 10 February 2014 19: 16
      +2
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      paid maternity leave must be up to 3 years, as in the USSR

      - there was a vacation up to 3 years (the workplace was preserved), and I paid, I do not remember exactly, about 2 months before delivery and the same amount after.
      But, the main objection to your comment is that the USSR cannot be a reference point, families had few children during the heyday of the USSR (70s-80s). And it’s strange! Large families were in tsarist Russia, and almost disappeared after the Second World War (three children in the family became a rarity). Gone is the Orthodox generation that "sinned" in the hayloft, but was very afraid of the sin of infanticide.
      1. ty60
        ty60 10 February 2014 21: 32
        -2
        I wrote about this. Orthodoxy. All sins were initially simple and understandable, the continuation of the family. Before marriage, the baptismal ceremony, communion, conversations with a priest, civil registration with the blessing of a clergyman, for people of different faiths, from both priests.
        1. vkrav
          vkrav 11 February 2014 18: 30
          0
          We have such an advertising Orthodox family ... Six or seven children, my father sang along in the church choir, live in a communal apartment to alms from the church ... Geeks factory (your censorship has lifted you up!) In its pure form ... You are still a breeding farm homeless people offer.
  21. polly
    polly 10 February 2014 22: 15
    +1
    Nothing needs to be forbidden, do not translate everything into the material condition of the family. There are a lot of adultery when women go to the extreme.
  22. rpek32
    rpek32 10 February 2014 23: 00
    +2
    Orthodoxy again dragged. Yes, do more social advertising on TV instead of gaskets with air conditioning. and yes - less tyrnetov computers and other things.
  23. 120352
    120352 10 February 2014 23: 32
    0
    It is necessary to "drive into the brains" of young people that a family should have at least three children. Was in Anchorage in the summer. June 22 was Summer Day. On the street there are a lot of people, attarments, exhibitions, competitions, etc. But the main thing, which I paid attention to, is that every mother has 3-6 children + father. This is the norm. We do not want to repeat the fate of mammoths, we must quit bad habits and, as the Lord said, "Be fruitful and multiply." At least 3 children are not a family! My wife and I raised four.
    1. rpek32
      rpek32 10 February 2014 23: 46
      +1
      How much should parents earn to support a family of at least 3 children?
      1. Svyatoslavovich
        Svyatoslavovich 11 February 2014 00: 21
        +3
        As long as you like, children grow up equally among the poor and the bourgeoisie, children usually need to be loved and cared for, and any "jewelry" will start to interest them much later.
        1. rpek32
          rpek32 12 February 2014 00: 25
          0
          you do not understand me. I'm talking about the minimum set: eat a drink arrange in a kindergarten to buy a toy for the holiday, take it to the doctor
          1. Svyatoslavovich
            Svyatoslavovich 12 February 2014 02: 00
            +1
            I understand you, it is rather you did not understand me, I will give an example from my own life:
            My wife grew up in a family where there were four children, but my father was not, he died very young, her mother earned 70 Soviet rubles in a departmental kindergarten, there were no relatives who could help. For their birthday, they made sugar candies, for the New Year they made gifts to each other themselves. Of the toys she had one doll and one soft toy (like a bear), she began to understand that they were beggars in the sixth grade, when classmate girls began to fashion and show off their clothes, as a result, from the seventh, she began to earn money to help the family and at least then provide for yourself. All brothers and sister grew up as normal people.
            I think the opposite examples are in large numbers, you yourself know, at first the newlyweds decide that they need to get hold of housing, then furniture, a car, a salary, a job, stability, in general, everything that they themselves need, but absolutely not needed children. As a result, God forbid, then they will give birth to one, but everything is ready for him, though often such a child does not meet the aspirations of his parents and what the hell grows up, but this is lyrics.
            That's why I say that children do not need a salary, children need love and care, and toys, to eat, to drink, as a rule, with due diligence, this will always be in a small but necessary amount.
  24. FlyEngine
    FlyEngine 10 February 2014 23: 34
    0
    In Ireland, abortion is prohibited, for example (except in cases of medical necessity or crime). Almost the only EU country in which there is a natural increase. This is despite the fact that the Irish are notable lovers of thumping. When abortion is illegal, people start to think differently.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 11 February 2014 00: 18
      +2
      We also prohibited abortion. A lot of freaks were born from unsuccessful attempts. Plus, a sharp surge in female mortality of childbearing age, including suicide.
      1. FlyEngine
        FlyEngine 11 February 2014 18: 20
        0
        Well, in Ireland only freaks are allowed to abort. Healthy is impossible.
  25. Svyatoslavovich
    Svyatoslavovich 11 February 2014 00: 18
    +1
    People start to think differently when the head does not hurt about tomorrow. When there is a stable economy, social guarantees. Last year, for the first time in twenty years, the birth rate in Russia exceeded the death rate. But if you are serious, you need to raise the village so that young people do not leave, cities grow only at the expense of visitors, and only a rural family can raise the birth rate. This is the direction in which to work, and not listen to the priests, as usual, they leave for cheap populism.
  26. Narrator.tales
    Narrator.tales 11 February 2014 05: 38
    0
    The salary of an engineer after a university is up to 14 thousand. I plan one child, and he is probably 30 years old, provided that there is money and an apartment.
  27. V. Tarasyan
    V. Tarasyan 11 February 2014 11: 15
    0
    Quote: leks
    SRC P-15
    You are wrong my parents from the state in the 80s received about 40 Soviet rubles for two children, Mother says that in those years this money was enough for the whole family for a whole month ...

    In fairness, it should be noted that at that time it was almost impossible to support a family of 40 people at 4 rubles. If only with the salaries of the parents or at least one of them, but even that wasn’t very much.
  28. CARLSON
    CARLSON 11 February 2014 12: 58
    +3
    The church, as always, well done, they threw a cry, caught a horror about the remaining 50 years and quietly sat on the ass. Then they will talk, and we supposedly warned. And why didn’t they say at these same readings. and what exactly did they do or are doing to change this situation, because surely, out of millions of abortions, a very large part falls on believing women attending church. How do they try to rectify the situation among their parishioners, what do they do and plan to do something, or again, they leave this honorable duty to the state. Probably all the same to the state, because such social companies will certainly be very expensive, and there will be no profit other than moral, so the ROC is unlikely to allocate money for this from the Synod, it's not the development of a network of church shops and counters, with absolutely inadequate prices, to increase income churches.
  29. chex2418
    chex2418 12 February 2014 01: 13
    0
    [quote = СРЦ П-15] [quote = Weniamin] It is necessary from early childhood for expectant mothers to instill the idea that abortion is dangerous to life and their health. To do this, you must constantly, for example, show films about unsuccessful abortions and their consequences. And drop by drop, we will achieve a change in consciousness among the population in relation to abortion. Unfortunately, this will take a lot of time, but I think there is no other way. [/ Quote]
    COOL GIRLS DANCE !!!! good And what, only expectant mothers are involved in this process? wink Maybe it will be more effective for future mothers and future dads to more persistently educate on such basic things as contraception? !!! And future dads do not interfere with learning: if you are a MAN, YOU (!!!) must first think about your woman’s health .
  30. assaker
    assaker 12 February 2014 12: 51
    0
    All words are spoken correctly only by no one mentioned the situation when critical mutations of the fetus are observed in the stage of bearing a child. And why does he need such a life ???