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We have a long-standing tradition in Russia - to scare children of small “baba” (“babaykoy”) so that they do not play pranks, so that their parents can obey. Sometimes it helps, and sometimes everything goes according to the well-known thesis: “We wanted the best, it turned out as always ...” Apparently, the tradition of “kicking” in their work (but in relation to the adult part of the country's population) decided to use such an interesting organization as the Federal Tariff Service (FTS ) led by its leader Sergei Novikov. Well, or this organization itself was born in its time into the world, so that the Russians did not have the desire to “disobey their elders” ...


So, this same service the other day came out with another “breakthrough” proposal, guided, of course, by the desire to make the life of an ordinary citizen better and more colorful, satisfying, lighter and warmer ... The proposal is as follows: to oblige Russians to pay in addition to the payment for consumed electricity there is also a monthly subscription for the very possibility of using this very electricity ... That is, if there are cables to the house (apartment) (and in Russia today it’s not so easy to find a house to which such wires are not connected), then businessman thereof would have to pay not only the objective they spent kilowatt-hours, but also proper that these kilowatt hours he "allowed" to spend for lighting, heating, the use of electrical appliances and other purposes.

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The motivation of the FTS is approximately the following: it is necessary not only to receive (generate) electricity, but also to bring it to the consumer, and it’s good, if this consumer pays for the “burnt light” - then the costs of operating the power transmission lines pay for themselves, and if they don’t pay, then the power engineers work at a loss ... They say that if everyone in Russia “nazhigi light”, paying for this opportunity provided by the power industry, the FTS would not even think about this course for the population as a subscription fee, and so - not only thought, but also suggested this legalize the fact.

Well, you can only regret all the energy companies put together, because they, the poor fellows, it turns out, have a hard time - people are pulling wires to their houses, and someone, you know, doesn’t even use electricity. This, of course, leads to the fact that the top management of such companies interrupts literally from bread to water ... And so that the "energy" top management live better and more fun, the FTS offers the Russians once again to throw off - now to the wires - for that that we were blessed with the opportunity to use electrical energy.

Of course, the FTS "responsibly" declares that people who spend electricity and pay for it do not need to expect increased amounts in their receipts. Like, all the “reform” is directed only to those individuals who, having some kind of housing with electricity communications, do not consume electricity or consume it, but simply do not pay for it. And the rest, they say, can sleep well ...

FST:
The point is, without increasing or even reducing the payment for low-income consumers and the middle class, to transfer part of the burden of paying for electricity transmission to the owners of built but idle cottage villages or those who invest in the purchase of apartments, which then stand empty. This applies, for example, to the new areas of the mass summer cottage and cottage development, where houses appeared, the infrastructure was built, but consumption is zero.


On the one hand, thinking seems to be sensible. He built a cottage, but you are not going to live in it in the foreseeable future - be nice - pay the subscriber. But still the soundness here, as they say, from the evil one. Why? Yes, because if a person has cottages and apartments that he does not use, then he is unlikely to be imbued with the ideas of the FTS and will immediately run to pay off all the accumulated subscriber debts. And here, as they say in “What? Where? When?”, The attention is the question: who will pay for the subscriber debts of people who do not live on their living space? There is an opinion that paying for them will be “offered” to those Russians who use the “wires” regularly and pay for the consumed electricity as well - that is, the usual average law-abiding citizens. What is called, they will “scatter” at all after they realize that “Ivan Ivanovich” does not intend to pay for their two “dachas”, because electricity does not “burn” there.

It is then that “Petr Petrovich” will receive, which pays for everything, and so regularly, a new calculation - with the debts of “Ivan Ivanich” taken into account.

In addition, to put it mildly, the possible structure of subscription fees is not completely clear. Will it be the same (after all, the wires are the same for everyone) for a retired old-fashioned country house that refused to operate because of health reasons and for a vice-mayor or assistant deputy who built the X-NUMX three-story cottage "just in case"? ..

If the FTS is going to introduce a monthly fee, aimed at raising funds from people who have “extra” housing, then, so that law-abiding people would not have thoughts about another cheating, the innovation should be a priori transparent. For transparency, the FTS is simply obliged to give reinforced documented guarantees that Pyotr Petrovich will not pay for Ivan Ivanich if he accumulates his debts and, excuse me, send the FTS together with the power engineers and their subscription fee to hell. If the Federal Tariff Service is not ready to give such guarantees, then it is clear what this undertaking will lead to. It will be even more interesting if the FTS does not give any guarantees, and the “little idea” will still pass with the approval of the authorities (including local ones). In this case, the citizens of Russia may well enter their own “tariff” for the functioning of the FTS and the government - with all the consequences ...
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  1. romanru4
    romanru4 10 February 2014 08: 07
    +28
    In the office of the Federal Tariff Service, you need to install turnstiles, like in the subway, but paid for "entrance" and "exit". For permission to use (not use) the premises.
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    2. invisibility
      invisibility 10 February 2014 08: 18
      +18
      A better detachment at the entrance, exit. And according to the results of the working day ..
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 10 February 2014 15: 57
        +1
        Quote: invisible
        A better detachment at the entrance, exit. And according to the results of the working day ..


        Watching whose fence the detachment will stand, otherwise it would be regrettable later ...
    3. shibi
      shibi 10 February 2014 11: 06
      +6
      No.
      Entrance should be free, and the exit paid.
      And who does not go to work, must pay a monthly fee!
      1. sancho
        sancho 10 February 2014 11: 32
        +10
        I’m wondering!

        According to statistics, in the North Caucasus there are so many debts on non-payment for gas and electricity that there are enough for several budgets per annum in the same regions. Let these guys first run their ideas in there, and if they succeed in collecting money, then we are welcome to join us. And, so everyone is experiencing us, as it is not fair?!?!

        And, if in truth, then already these champions, starting with the deputies and ending with energy "vampires", got something !!!! And comrades would not go to X ....!

        At this rate, they will soon calculate the amount of air consumed and introduce a usage fee.
    4. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 10 February 2014 11: 33
      +3
      Let these clowns direct all pritenzii to the "red chubchik" (Chubais) if anyone does not know. introduced social norms for the consumption of electrical energy and now there is also payment for delivery and wires, and what we will live on is twice as much as your salaries were not added to officials and deputies. You have completely lost your mind up there, at least you are friends with your head. You don't know how to work, so get out of the government, let those who can work, who live in the interests of the people. Hey, two lawyers, come quickly from the Olympics, otherwise your subordinates have completely squeezed out of their minds.
      1. Theophanes
        Theophanes 10 February 2014 16: 04
        +6
        That's when the Russians switch to open fire in apartments, they will come up with a life tax: live-pay! But in reality, they only comply with the WTO and Euro-ass requirements for equalizing tariffs. So merry taxes are ahead. The rulers do not give a shit about the people, they are neoliberals fucking them in the throat and hedgehog under the ass! Deputies take care of their pockets so that they are all up to the wind. But we have the freedom to deceive, theft, racketeering and other delights of democracy. Well, the people pull or die.
      2. ddd1975
        ddd1975 11 February 2014 03: 50
        +1
        It seems to me that the Cunning mentioned in the article is Chubik ...
    5. Field
      Field 10 February 2014 14: 21
      +4
      FCS service is of course "independent" and "independent"
      The government, the president and parliament, of course, have nothing to do with "thinking about the people"
      (sarcasm)
      It can be seen whose interests are served by our modern government.
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 10 February 2014 15: 22
        +6
        Quote: Field
        FCS service is of course "independent" and "independent"
        laughing

        In principle, nothing new. It all started a long time ago - do we pay the monthly fee for the PHONE? We pay. Is it disconnected, no phone - denЮpay. Once "ate"? Yes.
        Well, why would the FTS not borrow this experience from telephone operators?
        And after and others will begin to take a subscription - for example pipes ...

        For the hundredth time, the question is who (WHAT) does it rule there? Madhouse that voted for Putin? They scattered, like turtles from a stoned watchman, and they "WON'T CAPTURE" ???
    6. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 10 February 2014 16: 00
      +4
      Quote: romanru4
      In the office of the Federal Tariff Service, you need to install turnstiles, like in the subway, but paid for "entrance" and "exit". For permission to use (not use) the premises.


      I now turn to terrorism with my soul ... It turns out that I get a little skinned with all sorts of taxes so I also have to pay for someone’s wires. There is a very persistent desire to find that clever man who thought of this before and it is important to draw his face along my Soviet, cast-iron battery.
  2. domokl
    domokl 10 February 2014 08: 20
    +25
    I’ve built a summer house for myself ... I won’t describe the process, only what concerns the article. So, buy poles, buy wire, connect payment ... The question is, what should I pay for now? I bought everything for my money.
    And in city apartments, the construction company did the same, and invested the cost of work in the cost of a square meter ...
    It’s disgusting on the part of officials. I’m already paying for some ONE of water, for some ONE of electricity ... They don’t know what else to take ... But at the same time, such a Marvanovna lives right above me, which doesn’t pay at all for anything ... It receives notifications of transfer to the court, of pennies and ... doesn’t pay ... The question is, do I pay for it in ONE or not? The answer is simple, I pay for the full program. To all these companies absolutely do not care with whom to take money. The main thing is to take ...
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 10 February 2014 09: 25
      +15
      It is precisely against Dachek (my parents)) that this "message" is directed ...
      Disorder, in winter the owners do not pay anything))))
      The cottages that were built and do not live-5 for the whole of Russia ... And they were all shown on RTR)))) Moreover, they paid for the connection from 100ooo to 500ooo rub.
      In the Republic of Karelia: 1 kW of allocated power costs 10ooo rubles + connection project ... + meter + 600 rubles. sealing (I personally do not need the counter)))

      Losses of power engineers on wires and operation of old equipment reach 25% of the delivered by the Power Station ....
      Kola NPP sells electricity to Scandinavia - 90 kopecks per kW (after all, its capacity is excessive, 90% of production in the North-West is destroyed))
      "effective owner of Deripaska" - Closes the Nadvoitsky Aluminum Plant - whose ELECTRIC baths have not stopped since 1970 (after the accident)) was put into operation in 1954 ....says electricity is expensive))))
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 10 February 2014 10: 00
        +13
        And I pay 6 rubles with copecks per kW. Can I also hang a monthly fee on buyers of my products? But what, you never know what a particular consumer doesn’t want to eat today, I created a production infrastructure. All within the framework of the FTS logic.
        1. Field
          Field 10 February 2014 14: 27
          0
          Quote: sergey32
          Can I also hang a monthly fee on buyers of my products?

          Do you somehow calculate the cost of your products differently? (if very simple then cost = costs + profit)
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 10 February 2014 10: 51
        +3
        Quote: Asgard
        "effective owner of Deripaska" - Closes the Nadvoitsk Aluminum Plant - whose ELECTRIC baths have not stopped since 1970 (after the accident)) was put into operation in 1954 .... electricity is expensive))))

        Probably, alumina production will be abandoned in the same way as at the BAZ. And people are "driven" to Siberia with the promise of manna from heaven at a new factory in the vicinity of Boguchany.
        Quote: Asgard
        Kola NPP sells electricity to Scandinavia - 90 kopecks per kW

        This is the "file" good
        Alexei "thank you" for this "happy" news.
        Just started to believe that tomorrow there are II.I.I.I.I.I. and na-aaa .....
        Tipo for every gold Olympic medal on a bill for the people. Eh-eh fantasy walk.
        I’m wondering: Does Norod pick it up or will he start maidan?
      3. Andrey57
        Andrey57 10 February 2014 10: 58
        +10
        It is precisely against Dachek (my parents)) that this "message" is directed ...


        Dear Asgard, here is the rationale for the selling price of electricity for Norway using the example of selling prices for the Zhigulevskaya HPP, launched in 1957 at full capacity:
        Cost 1 kWh from the Zhigulevskaya hydroelectric power station in the Samara region at the output is 0.34rub / kWh, we consider:
        -system operator services- 6,25%
        -service of a commercial operator- 3,75%
        - transfer services- 41,55%
        weighted average cost of electric power (margin) - 38,44583%
        - premium of the sales company - 4,625%
        - VAT - 18%
        - cash center services - 1,25%

        0,34руб.х1,0625х1,0375х1,4155х1,3844583х1,04625х1,18х1,0125=0,92руб
        .

        Has anyone seen electricity rates for 92 pennies per kilowatt hour? fellow

        In this list of "services" the main "Service" is missing, the service of thieves, including the aforementioned gang at tariffs - 233,69%, in this case the tariff in my apartment, 3,07 rubles / kWh, will be equal to the calculated : 0,92 rubles x 3,3369 = 3,07 rubles / kWh.
        1. shibi
          shibi 10 February 2014 11: 19
          +5
          In Irkutsk there are 82 kopeks for the population, and even less for the villagers.
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 10 February 2014 16: 49
            +6
            In Irkutsk there are 82 kopecks for the population,


            And for this we, the Irkutsk residents, are grateful to our former governor, Nozhikov, Yuri Abramovich, now unfortunately deceased, may peace be upon him. Good was the Head, not a grabber.
            Nozhikov, a power engineer by profession, despite all the pressure from Moscow, from the same, it’s not good that he will be mentioned, the shit democrat Chubais, managed to defend energy tariffs for the Irkutsk region, which lost a significant part of the fertile lands, forests, towns and villages that went to the bottom artificial energy seas - Irkutsk, Bratsk, Ust-Ilim and Boguchansk hydroelectric stations.
      4. Ascetic
        Ascetic 10 February 2014 12: 05
        +7
        Quote: Asgard
        It is precisely against Dachek (my parents)) that this "message" is directed ...


        Now there is a very strong pressure from natural monopolies on power after the autumn "freeze" of tariffs, and most importantly, attempts to limit the "golden parachutes" of top managers. The subscription fee and SNP are all from this series. With the introduction of "energy rations" they have not been able to manage since 2009, which means they need to go from the other side, install a subscriber system like fixed telephone services. The economic justification of this project was prepared by the Skolokovo energy center. They calculated that
        Russian residents pay 1,8 times less for electricity economically sound level.(approx. It is interesting to know how this level is calculated?) This subsidy is offset by the generation and redistribution of electricity transmission tariffs.
        But subsidies are proportional to specific consumption, and wealthy households account for a larger share of subsidies than poor households (according to the Skolkovo energy center, the top decile is 500 rubles per month per household, and the bottom decile is only 226 rubles).
        One of the mechanisms to combat bias was to become the social norm of electricity consumption, in which the cost overrun of electricity is paid at a higher rate, but the government has so far postponed its introduction for two years.

        link

        The struggle for super-profit monopolies is in full swing.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 10 February 2014 14: 12
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          the upper decile is 500 rubles per month per household, and the lower decile is only 226 rubles)

          What the hell then LED lighting devices ????
          Why all this indicative movement with the struggle to save a kilowatt hour?
          Remove from sale all energy-efficient parting and equipment.
          Especially transistor and microchip electronics and put everything on the lamp. In we, as Internet users rejoice.
          And lamp cell ...
          HiDDD 22 century.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 10 February 2014 17: 16
            +2
            Quote: Papakiko
            What the hell then LED lighting devices ????
            Why all this indicative movement with the struggle to save a kilowatt hour?


            And then Bill Gates realized that in the world there is na ... ki abruptly him smile



            1. alone
              alone 10 February 2014 20: 24
              0
              The FCS simply unveils the decision of the government and the state. Do you seriously think that the FCS decides everything on its own? What they say from above, they do it. Turnstiles must be put up in other departments.
  3. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 10 February 2014 08: 21
    +7
    Here s.ki !!! Words are no longer normal. Last year I talked with a person working at a hydroelectric power station (we have one built under socialism), and so he said that the selling price per kilowatt is 60 kopecks, and after passing 500 km by wire (the line was built under socialism) to my apartment kilowatt became 4 rubles with copecks.
  4. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 10 February 2014 08: 26
    +14
    Then our tops will angrily reject this idea of ​​the subscriber, and we, dear Russians, will be very grateful to them and will already forget about the recent increase in tariffs and prices. I think the hype is just for that.
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    2. ABV
      ABV 10 February 2014 08: 38
      +9
      Quote: FC Skiff
      Then our tops will angrily reject this idea of ​​the subscriber, and we, dear Russians, will be very grateful to them and will already forget about the recent increase in tariffs and prices. I think the hype is just for that.


      very much like the truth! cancel the subscription, everyone will be happy on the social. the norm on electricity is no longer going to respond .... which is sad
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 10 February 2014 12: 07
        +5
        cancel the subscription, everyone will be happy on the social. the norm for electricity will not be so responsive ....
        It closely resembles the subject of excise taxes on gasoline and the transport tax, as a result, gasoline also went up and the tax remained. hi
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  5. starhina01
    starhina01 10 February 2014 08: 33
    +4
    that it’s hard for me to believe that this industry does not generate income, and whoever does not pay continues to use P.S. completely crazy about inventing all kinds of crap hi
  6. Name
    Name 10 February 2014 08: 33
    +9
    What a lot of surprises for that to make the life of an ordinary citizen better and more colorful, satisfying belay we are prepared from all sorts of offices, probably even the "Premier" does not know.
  7. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 10 February 2014 08: 34
    +9
    MARASM grows stronger!
    In tariffs for electricity, the cost of delivering electricity, that is, the cost of wires, electrical substations, maintenance personnel is already sitting. A private trader for wires from a pillar and connection to his house, cottage, country house, always he paid. This is probably Chubasik no longer knows how else to "help" the people in his pocket, so he gets out.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 10 February 2014 09: 29
      +7
      Quote: ia-ai00
      This, probably, the chubasik no longer knows how else to "help" the people in his pocket, and so he gets out.

      Well, Chubchik can be understood - he didn’t build it himself, so he doesn’t know what people build email for their money. network. Now take money from them for their own wires? pure lawlessness.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 10 February 2014 12: 53
        +6
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        You can understand Chubchik - he didn’t build it himself, so he doesn’t know what people build e-money for their money. network. Now take money from them for their own wires? pure lawlessness.


        Quote: ia-ai00
        This, probably, the chubasik no longer knows how else to "help" the people in his pocket, and so he gets out.


        All this will hit retirees summer residents with summer shacks on 6 acres. In winter, many do not live there, respectively, do not pay for electricity. And now they will pay just for the fitter not to come from the power supply and not turn off the input. Trite RECET.
        According to Chubais, pensioners who did not fit into the “market” and other non-handshake “scoops” will die out as a class. Moreover, what is interesting according to Novikov
        it will have to pay to owners of empty apartments and idle cottages, power consumption in which is zero. The costs of connecting to energy infrastructure facilities are the same as in the case of stable electricity consumers, however, the compensation for these costs lies in the transmission tariff, which must be paid to all consumers in the region, Consumers who pay for electricity will not incur additional costs, Novikov promises. But the owners of empty housing, which previously did not pay anything, will have to fork out.


        N? Averno Novikov has no idea that an empty cottage can have an alarm, lighting with motion sensors, webcams and other bells and whistles, and in an empty apartment, you can stupidly connect any source of consumption and then energy consumption will not be zero. Well, I generally keep quiet about compensation for transmission costs, probably the employees of energy companies are ironically grinning and rubbing their hands, the field of "left" income for them is significantly expanding. You just pay from above to the responsible person and all the problems with the connection and left inputs are solved smile
        You just need to know to whom, when and how much. And now the left unspoken tariffs will increase. The main idea is to come up with a bunch of bans and bureaucratic procedures in order to make their corporate "gesheft" for bribes or through related firms.
  8. Sunjar
    Sunjar 10 February 2014 08: 43
    +6
    And the tax on bast shoes with air is still needed. For a year, people how many bast shoes are demolished, but how much air they breathe (not even air but carbon dioxide gasp). The mess ...
    1. shibi
      shibi 10 February 2014 11: 21
      +3
      Need to introduce a ventilation tax!
      We pay for water, electricity, canal, but not for air.
  9. Same lech
    Same lech 10 February 2014 08: 47
    +5
    The chubasik no longer knows how else to "help" the people in his pocket, and so he gets out.


    If he continues to continue at such a Stakhanov pace of energy reform, a second KVACHKOV or a GROUP of SUCH VERY angry guys at this effective manager of children with the skills of sabotage and subversive activity may appear.

    1. PValery53
      PValery53 10 February 2014 12: 19
      +2
      Citizens! Red Chub has been "capitalizing" on untold capital investments in Rusnano for several years now. Today, in the energy sector, his work is continued by the top managers of his "school".
  10. makarov
    makarov 10 February 2014 08: 50
    +6
    Yeah ... In the Russian Federation they rip off even worse than the Ukrainian oligarchs, but this will soon pass, since they will "adopt experience" in the near future.
  11. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 10 February 2014 09: 07
    +6
    The indestructible habit of any of our authorities is known to try to milk even a dead donkey!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 10 February 2014 09: 12
      +5
      quote-We have a long tradition in Russia - we frighten small children with a “babayu” (a “grandmother”) so that they don’t be naughty, that their parents obey. Sometimes it helps, and sometimes everything goes according to the well-known thesis “We wanted the best, it turned out as always ...” Apparently, such an interesting organization as the Federal Tariff Service (FTS) decided to use the tradition of “scare” in its work (but with regard to the adult population of the country) ) led by its leader Sergey Novikov. Well, or this organization itself was born at the time, so that the Russians did not have a desire "not to obey their elders" ...

      As Vladimir Vladimirovich correctly noted, "Have they gone crazy ?!" The question is very relevant.
      1. makarov
        makarov 10 February 2014 09: 33
        +2
        Or maybe "toy pisyun" just mows like a fool ?? After all, from a fool and there is no demand, and continues to sit in a chair. Why didn’t it pull his GDP from the throne by the ear?
      2. cosmos111
        cosmos111 10 February 2014 10: 23
        +9
        Quote: Apollon
        As Vladimir Vladimirovich correctly noted, "Have they gone crazy ?!" The question is very relevant.

        and to whom does he ask the question? >>>>>> his government >>>>> himself ((((
        and most importantly, what is the result >>>>> and the result is an increase in housing and communal services tariffs, on all points
        or the president, does not own the real infoy ... about housing and communal services >>>>> or lies >>>>> but this is completely excluded >>>>> these are boobies and banderlog from the government, they did not correctly inform the head of state ((((
        count them all >>>> and take the straw out of the bear's head >>>>> let what he wants and thinks (((((
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 10 February 2014 11: 33
          +3
          And the government Directs here SUCH rot:

          As it became known to journalists, rumors that Serdyukov is a Hero of Russia are circulating in veteran organizations. In particular, on February 5, Valery Vostrotin, chairman of the Russian Paratroopers Union, casually mentioned this in an interview with the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper. He said: “Today, unfortunately, I look: they substitute the president, discredit the title of Hero of Russia, distributing it to everyone in a row. Serdyukov - Hero of Russia! What is it like?".

          Chairman of the association of associations of reserve officers of the Armed Forces Megapir Vladimir Bogatyrev explained to Nezavisimaya Gazeta that, according to him, Serdyukov was awarded the honorary title on March 20, 2012 secret decree of Dmitry Medvedevwho served as president of the Russian Federation.


          How do you like ???
  12. Stinger
    Stinger 10 February 2014 09: 20
    +11
    Incidentally, in addition to wires, railroad tracks were also brought to some settlements. So FTS still plow and plow in the field of containment of the impudent needs of the population.
    1. makarov
      makarov 10 February 2014 11: 02
      +6
      And even dirt roads go somewhere!
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 10 February 2014 15: 34
      +4
      Quote: Stinger
      to some settlements summed up in addition to wires and railway rails.


      That's it, the FST will break off.
      Russian Railways have collapsed and continue to collapse, just like Chubais’s energy - it’s just GRAVED. And they transmit illiquid (ha! A word or something) ways to municipalities. And they are obviously social, costly and not profitable. Local money for reimbursement is not, routes are closed. Get people what you want - alternatively. A curtain.
      Hr to you, not the train and the diesel engine.
  13. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 10 February 2014 09: 28
    +8
    In this way, you can enter on all the subscriber.
    There are pipes in the house - pay, there is gas - pay.
  14. fomich1977
    fomich1977 10 February 2014 09: 48
    +11
    I work in the city electric network myself, we are terrified by the whole team of the reforms carried out in our industry. Previously, a person could come to our organization and solve all the connection issues in one building. Now it’s all much more complicated and expensive. However, we have all these reforms - either to disperse everyone, or vice versa to dump them all in one heap. Chubais was too quick - after his reform, he couldn’t find any ends at all.
    1. shibi
      shibi 10 February 2014 11: 24
      +5
      So after all, the children of officials grow up, and they need to be attached to the feeder.
      So the structure of the parasites is discarded.
      Three Arab superintendents go out to one Arab.
  15. Gray 43
    Gray 43 10 February 2014 09: 48
    +4
    Where do they need money again at the World Cup? It seems that before the prestige of the country was not so expensive. No wonder some countries are rejecting such misfortunes, because the budget hole has to be closed for a long time.
  16. PN
    PN 10 February 2014 09: 55
    +5
    Here, by the way, no one remembered the subscriber telephone network. But after all (someone still has it)))) everything is exactly the same there: the subscription fee + how much has been worn out. They simply at ATsnikov lick experience.
    1. Stix
      Stix 10 February 2014 10: 14
      +9
      Plus, how much has been worn out-in the USSR was not. There was a monthly fee and shook as much as you want.
      1. PN
        PN 10 February 2014 10: 28
        +4
        It was not in the USSR, but now it is in Russia. At parents the phone still functions.
  17. SPLV
    SPLV 10 February 2014 10: 00
    +7
    FST - suckers! You need to take money for air, for air!
    1. makarov
      makarov 10 February 2014 11: 21
      +3
      mobile operators have long ago "tasted" it, and they take money just "for air".
  18. calocha
    calocha 10 February 2014 10: 07
    +6
    ALL ENERGY SYSTEMS of Russia should belong to the State ONLY! Or the people are doomed to a mess !!!!
  19. sazhka3
    sazhka3 10 February 2014 10: 16
    +4
    Strange .. And why I am not at all surprised. Let’s say the law on smoking could be improved and money was taken for the environment, etc. We exhale carbon dioxide and, again, the state must pay to reduce the greenhouse effect. Did you swim in the river and did not go to the bathhouse, fine, pee in the water? Pay. And since the bowels belong to the People, who will pay for them? Use the gift of nature, pay. I think it will be so soon. Conclusion. Go to the polls ..
    1. kostiknet
      kostiknet 10 February 2014 10: 43
      +2
      Quote: sazhka3
      Conclusion. Go to the polls ..

      the same is not an option. Elections are usually held in schools. Has everyone seen the turnstiles at the entrance? At this rate, we will soon be paying for the entrance (like in the subway) of our children to the "storehouse of knowledge", and of course the paid entrance to the elections (after all, the show costs a lot of money)
    2. makarov
      makarov 10 February 2014 13: 41
      +4
      Uv. Alexander. Have you forgotten about the TS natural "exhaust" of the organism. "Moved" well done, pay. And pay half for the "spy". Although, in my opinion, "spies", they are "whisperers", are much more harmful and aggressive. laughing
      1. sazhka3
        sazhka3 11 February 2014 11: 53
        0
        Quote: makarov
        Uv. Alexander. Have you forgotten about the TS natural "exhaust" of the organism.

        I haven’t forgotten .. I’m just Sashka, who was banned for "Russkost". I don’t know how and how to help .. The site is in Germany. Explain to the "moderators" ..
  20. Stix
    Stix 10 February 2014 10: 29
    +4
    There is such a thing - the money received is just called - theft or charity. So you and I intend to write to philanthropists without our knowledge and consent. But to be an altruist, companies rowing is not childish like that.
    I'm interested in how to deal with this redneck.
  21. parus2nik
    parus2nik 10 February 2014 10: 38
    +5
    It is clear that the government is not going to strive to ensure that electricity in Russia becomes cheaper.
    1. shibi
      shibi 10 February 2014 11: 26
      +5
      The government only makes money cheaper.
    2. sazhka3
      sazhka3 13 February 2014 11: 36
      0
      Quote: parus2nik
      It is clear that the government is not going to strive to ensure that electricity in Russia becomes cheaper.

      Don't be offended. This is just a development of the theme .. Nanodom will live on "bunches" of guests. If all officials were to be accommodated in such a house and threatened with confiscation. You can stop building nuclear power plants ..
  22. Prometey
    Prometey 10 February 2014 10: 39
    +6
    Suppose there is a certain logic - the maintenance of networks (electrical, pipelines) requires a lot of money. As a consumer, I am willing to bear certain costs for their proper functioning. But let the tariffs be reduced by 2 times - it will be fair. And, yes, to ordinary hard workers who install networks and pipelines, "effective top managers" are obliged to raise their salaries by 2 times by reducing travel to Courchevel and purchases of BMWs and Mercs for their parasite kids.
  23. snow779
    snow779 10 February 2014 10: 45
    +4
    Just yesterday they brought a tax (recalculation) for 12 years, a private house of 100 square meters 41 meters residential. 25 thousand rubles Here and another smacks of happiness.
  24. konvalval
    konvalval 10 February 2014 11: 18
    +6
    A rusty bit of everything was calculated when he was breaking up a single power system and crushing it into pieces. One had to pay one owner, but now there are a lot of them and all are "interrupted" from bread to water. Soon we will pay a subscription fee for the fact that we have some kind of "nano".
  25. Platov
    Platov 10 February 2014 11: 21
    +4
    All this to reduce the purchasing power of the population. To export more money abroad. They are not aware of greed that the honesty of their income will have to prove to both the grandson and great-grandchildren. In the United States, every penny or, in their opinion, every cent is fixed, so a step to the left, a step to the right, will be punishable by confiscation. With the current US government debt, this can happen any time, as soon as the situation in the world worsens, everything acquired by exorbitant labor will go down the drain.
  26. Black
    Black 10 February 2014 11: 44
    +4
    Quote: sazhka3
    Conclusion. Go to the polls ..

    Well it is more like Yes...
    That's just - when is the true patriotic power finally born?
    Does someone see a crystallization center?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 February 2014 16: 11
      +2
      Quote: Chen
      Does someone see a crystallization center?

      Some are trying to explain that this center is GDP.
  27. irka_65. irina
    irka_65. irina 10 February 2014 12: 23
    +4
    Wait Maidan in Russian fashion. They themselves will hang on these wires. Enough to tighten the nut, the thread will be torn off - it will not seem a little.
  28. siberalt
    siberalt 10 February 2014 13: 07
    +4
    What's so surprising? Transfer business costs to the consumer. It is not for nothing that the red-haired Chu divided the "power suppliers" into generating and delivering. At the same time, the latter pay first and this is included in the tariff.
    If the store does not go because of the high cost, then you need to raise prices. And it’s better to close all nearby retail outlets, or pick them up for yourself. Big business is striving for monopoly and is lobbying for its interests. Is it frail for the FTS leadership to receive kickbacks in the form of additional legalized income? And as they call it there - a matter of technology.
  29. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 10 February 2014 13: 09
    +3
    What do you want? At the nomenclature, children grow up, will they already go to work at the plant? Completely crazy)
  30. PValery53
    PValery53 10 February 2014 13: 39
    +2
    Inflation devours the income of the people. And the inflation is "set" by the increase in utility tariffs and energy monopolies! The rulers "watch" the super-profits of the monopolists and the bigwigs of housing and communal services, and therefore "at the request of the workers" inflate all the tariffs for us! And the main ruler is not "informed" about this, do you understand ?! Pancake!.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 10 February 2014 17: 23
      +3
      PValery53:


      "Inflation devours the income of the people. And" sets "inflation to an increase in utility tariffs and energy monopolies! ?!. Pancake!"
      Here the situation is more cunning and cynical to the point of outrage. Inflation is mainly set by the Fed through our monetary system. the costs of inflation are passed on to citizens and this is legalized. The point is that the tariffs in the energy sector are somehow regulated by tariffs. The traders even build their own shops, but these still have Soviet "hydroelectric power stations" in full wear and tear and break. For twenty years, all the income has been devoured, and now they are racking their brains how to live again for free. And the toad crushes for the fact that the tariffs, and not free prices, like everyone else.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 10 February 2014 17: 23
      +2
      PValery53:


      "Inflation devours the income of the people. And" sets "inflation to an increase in utility tariffs and energy monopolies! ?!. Pancake!"

      Here the situation is more cunning and cynical to the point of outrage. Inflation is mainly set by the Fed through our monetary system. The costs of inflation are passed on to citizens, and this is legalized. The point is that the tariffs in the energy sector are somehow regulated by tariffs. The traders even build their own shops, but these still have Soviet "hydroelectric power stations" in full wear and tear and break. For twenty years, all the income has been gobbled up, and now they are racking their brains how to live again for free. And the toad crushes for the fact that the tariffs, and not free prices, like everyone else.
  31. Begemot
    Begemot 10 February 2014 13: 55
    +6
    This means if you don’t go to the store, then pay for the fact that these stores exist, or if you walk, then pay for the fact that you do not use gas stations. Previously, this was the practice in telephone wire networks, while most did not refuse their services.
  32. bbss
    bbss 10 February 2014 15: 05
    +4
    Greedy goons ...
  33. kind
    kind 10 February 2014 15: 12
    +4
    Fooled completely in this FTS, soon we will pay taxes for precipitation, and separately for sunny days fool
  34. tundra
    tundra 10 February 2014 15: 12
    +6
    Really survived from the mind, from free s / n. And they didn’t try to work. Something is the other way around with us, they do not exist for the people but the people for them (so that the poor fellows would not die of hunger)
  35. fennekRUS
    fennekRUS 10 February 2014 15: 24
    +2
    Ohrenel completely ...
  36. ahil
    ahil 10 February 2014 21: 58
    +2
    Because they have nothing more to do, it is necessary to dissolve this desk.
  37. stillrat
    stillrat 10 February 2014 23: 28
    +3
    The next tax is in the first place and secondly, what losses do they talk about when connected? Who connected the light let's say in M.O. knows how much time and money it takes. In short, there are no words of indignation! First, pay crazy grandmas for the connection, and then also the subscriber. Pancake waiting for a subscriber for oxygen
  38. georg737577
    georg737577 11 February 2014 02: 14
    +2
    The authors of such "suggestions for improvement ..." should be hung on the wires. Publicly.
  39. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 11 February 2014 17: 37
    +1
    FTS Subscriber
    It was recalled that in the late 80s in the reign of Gorbachev, the Soviet democracy raising its head (the first parties were called something like this: Democratic choice on the platform of the CPSU) shouted that the evil state was tearing off all enterprises taking away 95 kopecks. from the ruble earned, and the number of officials in the USSR has divorced so much that it requires immediate reduction, there was also a lot of cry for canceling the privileges of the party nomenclature. 20 years have passed ... hi
  40. Davidbise
    Davidbise 12 February 2014 12: 01
    0
    Yes indeed. And I came across this. You are absolutely right. There is something in this and I think it is a good idea.