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Mystery of Andropov

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Mystery of Andropov 30 years ago, 9 February 1984, the head of the USSR Yury Vladimirovich Andropov died in Moscow. This is one of the most controversial figures in stories Soviet Union. Apparently, Andropov tried to save the USSR, carry out economic modernization and at the same time reconcile with the West, achieve the convergence of the Soviet and Western systems. This contradiction killed him. The masters of the West wanted to dismember the Soviet Union, solve the “Russian question” once and for all, no compromises with them can be reached.


Andropov (maternal - Flekenstein) made a dizzying career. He graduated from a seven-year railway factory school, worked first as a telegraph worker, then as a student and assistant projectionist at the Railwaymen Club at Mozdok station. In 1936, he graduated from the Rybinsk river technical school. In the same year he joined the party line, becoming the secretary of the Komsomol organization of the technical school of water transport, then became the Komsomol of the Rybinsk Shipyard. Since 1938, he headed the regional Komsomol organization in Yaroslavl.

In the summer of 1940, the leader of the Komsomol was sent to the Karelo-Finnish SSR formed by 31 in March 1940. Andropov did not have to fight, he covered himself with his position, poor health and family status. In 1944, he received the post of second secretary of the Petrozavodsk city committee of the CPSU (b), in 1947, the second secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Karelia. From 1951 he worked in the apparatus of the Central Committee of the CPSU, from 1953 in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In 1954-1957 - Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the USSR in Hungary. Then he was promoted to the post of head of the department of the Central Committee of the CPSU.

From 1962 to 1967, the year was secretary of the USSR Communist Party Central Committee. Since May 1967, the head of the KGB of the USSR. In November, 1982 was elected General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee. Thus, Andropov, from a simple worker, became at first the head of the powerful State Security Committee, and then the superpower No. 1.

The rise of Andropov came at the time of the gradual decomposition of the Soviet nomenclature. Khrushchev betrayed the Stalin era, interrupted the rise of the USSR. Under Brezhnev, the state was “stabilized”, the excesses of the Khrushchev “perestroika” were eliminated, but they did not return to the Stalinist course. The party "elite" was not engaged in thinking about the development of the "Red Empire", about a breakthrough into the world of the future (although the USSR in 1960-1980-s had a huge technological reserve in order to make a new scientific and technical revolution) West for the best conditions of existence and arrangement of a comfortable life. At the end of the 1960s, massive exports of “black gold” from the USSR began, which spurred the energy crisis during the 1973 Arab-Israeli war of the year. Currency poured into the USSR in a wide stream. The country begins to sit down on the "oil needle". The Kremlin is betting on the construction of an “energy superpower”; all plans to continue Kosygin’s reforms have been forgotten. What for? And so everything is fine. The scheme is simple, it works and now, we sell energy, we get currency, we buy everything we need for it. True, we must bear in mind that the modern Russian Federation, in comparison with the USSR, is in a worse situation. The union had a self-sufficient production in almost all industries. However, the process of “eating away the country” was launched.

The decaying Soviet "elite" was given the opportunity to quietly grow rich, to degenerate into the bourgeoisie, bargaining with the West for the future of the country. A gradual process of privatization of the wealth of Russia by the nomenclature began. And she begins to think about how to preserve and legalize wealth.

The people gradually faded away. The most passionate, patriotic generation was killed or “burned out” during the Great Patriotic War. People saw the degradation of the nomenclature, ideas and ideals dimmed. The communist idea was simply “blathering”. When there are no ideals, they are gradually superseded by "life." The disintegration of Russian culture is proceeding at a rapid pace, it will be supplanted by a “cosmopolitan” substitute for culture. People begin to dream of living “like there”, envying personal cars, jeans, swimsuits, beer and strip bars, “freedom”. The image of a fantastic, never-existing western “kingdom of complete freedom of the individual and society”, “the beautiful life” is being introduced into the minds. Philistinism supersedes idealism. The consumer society drowns the germs of the society of creation and ministry, which was built in 1930-1950-s. The system could not, or rather did not want, to offer people new ideals, using the annoying Marxist-Leninist stamps to everyone.

The “elite” of the late USSR was the worst remnant of the Stalinist system. The best died in the war, could not withstand the monstrous tension, went to the grave ahead of time. Those who sat out in the rear, especially not sticking out, was a performer, survived and "inherited" the empire. Although the education system and science were still well funded, they gave excellent cadres. Russian scientists have created an inflorescence of technology, development, which could make the USSR the undisputed leader of the planet. However, for the most part, these breakthrough developments were created in single copies, went to the archive, were not implemented. "Elite" did not care about the development of the country. Scientific and technological progress begins to tie in the bureaucratic "swamp".

Actually, by the beginning of the reign of Andropov, the USSR had already been prepared for “perestroika”. There is even an opinion that Andropov himself took an active part in this matter. He developed his plan to "modernize the USSR". In the USSR they planned to create an efficient economy. The Communist Party should be removed from power, its functions should have been received by a new structure created on the basis of the KGB and controlled by its people from the party “elite” and businessmen of the “shadow economy” (all were “under the hood”). As head of the KGB, Andropov conducted his "purge" of the apparatus, leaving only the faithful people in the Committee. At the same time, Andropov was able to subjugate the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which could interfere with his plans. A “Corporation” for the privatization of the USSR was formed. It is clear that honest people remained at the lower and middle level in the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but each of them was only a “cog” of the system and could not see the whole picture and resist the conspiracy. The most dangerous were eliminated, others were fired.

However, Andropov’s plans to preserve the renewed USSR did not meet with understanding in the West. Andropov was ready to liquidate socialism, to convergence with the West, but he did not want to ruin the Union into a pile of “independent” warring fragments with each other.

Andropov slowed down the informational impact on the population, which was being prepared for the collapse of the USSR. He was attentive to the needs of the military industrial complex, the strengthening of the armed forces. The Secretary General supported a number of breakthrough projects. If the USSR had time, these projects could lead to a scientific and technical breakthrough that completely changes the reality.

The key part of Andropov’s program was economic modernization. He planned to isolate everything that works well in the Union, into a special “new economy”. The nuclear industry, the military industrial complex, biotechnology centers, etc., were to enter it. With the help of the KGB, they planned to create high-tech, knowledge-intensive corporations that could compete on equal terms with Western firms. With the help of gold reserves, which were gradually withdrawn from the USSR, it was planned to create controlled enterprises abroad.

At the same time, Andropov was in captivity of the “Western matrix”, he believed that the USSR was doomed to death with the superiority of the Western world in the information, cultural and technological field. The Secretary General took steps towards the rapprochement of the Soviet and Western systems.

Interestingly, in foreign policy this rapprochement was marked by a new outbreak of the Cold War. The Kremlin reacted very harshly to the deployment of American cruise missiles in Western Europe. Hardly Andropov acted in connection with the incident with the South Korean Boeing in 1983 year. Confrontation intensified in Afghanistan.

Apparently, it was a psychological operation, a demonstration of power. The Kremlin showed the West the power of the USSR, readiness for tough actions. As a result, the most advantageous positions were created for conducting negotiations (after the death of Andropov, Gorbachev surrendered all of them). Intimidating the West, Andropov then intended to carry out a "modernization of the USSR", integrating Russia into the world community on the most favorable conditions for Moscow.

However, the death of Andropov in February 1984, interrupted a bold experiment on the convergence of the Soviet and Western systems. Some researchers even express doubts about the naturalness of the death of the Secretary General. It is believed that it was eliminated. The masters of the West built a completely different world. Their New World Order is a caste, neo-slave society, where the spiritual, intellectual and physical development of the overwhelming majority of people is stopped, and high technologies are accessible only to the “elect.” In the USSR, intellectuals dreamed of convergence that would unite the economic possibilities of capitalism and the advantages of socialism in the development and implementation of the intellectual and creative abilities of people.

It should be noted that the mechanisms launched by Andropov continued to work after his death. Those people who have already been prepared to perform their assigned roles continued to carry out their programs. So, Gorbachev, Shevardnadze and Aliyev put forward Andropov. These Westernizers were to implement the second part of Andropov’s plan — to democratize society, to conduct “perestroika” and to make peace with the West. However, by this time the USSR had to carry out economic modernization, intimidate the West with an arms race, so that it could dictate its conditions. Andropov did not have time to complete the first part of his program.

Gorbachev tried to do everything at once - to modernize the economy, to accelerate economic growth, to democratize society, to actively cooperate with the West. The control over the situation that Andropov had was completely lost. At the same time, the “elite” did not stop him, as they did with Khrushchev. She just passed the country. Before this, the last stronghold of the USSR — the army — was “cleared out”. For this, they used provocation with Rust's flight. The network created by Andropov also took part in the collapse of the USSR. Apparently, having decided that there is no chance to save the country. "Andropovtsy" focused all their efforts on preserving the system, pumping the most important resources into it.

In general, Andropov played a negative role in the fate of the USSR. Wanting to “modernize the USSR” to the best of his understanding of the situation, he made such a selection in the KGB and the party leadership, that the “Westerners” who were immediately “under the hood” of the West were at the helm after his death. They had no strategic thinking, many were corrupt, they lived only by personal and narrow group interests. As a result, the Soviet Union was doomed.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 9 February 2014 07: 01
    +3
    It is not clear, however. Suddenly, and at once, the author started talking to Andropov, made him the culprit of everything and everyone ...
    I believe that this is only the position of the author (or a small handful of his like-minded people), the people, however, remember everything, and they cannot be fooled by cheating. Even if it is "marked" laid out on the "paper" of monitors.
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 9 February 2014 08: 14
      +4
      Why is it incomprehensible?
      The author simply poked his entire article out of his nose, that's all the concepts.
      No, well, in fact, one cannot neglect so much elementary respect for those who will read.
      Unfortunately, this kind of "analytics" flooded all the resources like a flood.
      Already do not pay attention ...
      1. Generalissimus
        Generalissimus 9 February 2014 08: 31
        +1
        No, well, minus all the same it is necessary in some cases explaining your position.
        So no? I turn to the anonymous author .. smile
        And it’s strange somehow.
        After all, the article is frankly inferior - the point is not even what goals it pursues.

        Here we look at the very beginning:

        Apparently, Andropov tried to save the USSR, carry out economic modernization and at the same time make peace with the West, achieve convergence of the Soviet and Western systems. This contradiction destroyed him. The masters of the West wanted to dismember the Soviet Union, once and for all solve the "Russian question", no compromises can be reached with them.


        That is, the author does some assumption, in which part is triviality, and part is the author’s fantasies.

        But suppose these are not fantasies. Then they need to be justified? It is necessary.
        But the author doesn't care about it. He simply issued a wiki certificate about the biography of the hero of the article to the mountain, and then, for some reason already considering his assumption as a fait accompli, begins to smear his boogers on paper - reasoning around this "fait accompli".

        Who will eat it?

        Andropov is a quite readable personality, many, oddly enough to the author, knew him very well.
        He tried to change something in the country based on what he saw and how he understood. Any plans for the construction of a new body, the flesh of the KGB flesh, instead of the CPSU - the leading force, etc., etc. - this is bullshit.
        Andropov was not such a primitive idiot. Yes, and did not think that the USSR had to be saved, and even in that vein, as the author sees it.

        After the death of three consecutive general secretaries - Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko - the country began to openly irony about what was happening. This is where the main mistake happened - the desire to find a young man, so as not to give more reason to the whole world to laugh, gave rise to the monster of incompetence Gorbachev
        Cadres decide everything. It’s not said by me. Life is confirmed.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 9 February 2014 17: 49
          +2
          A disgusting article about a worthy general secretary. Under Andropov and Chernenko, the USSR was at the peak of its military power. But then Gorbachev came and everything began to crumble in an instant.
      2. 222222
        222222 9 February 2014 12: 05
        +5
        Quote: Generalissimus
        Generalissimus (2) RU Today, 08:14 ↑
        The author just picked his whole article out of his nose, that's all concepts

        ..fortunately, there is something to pick on the Internet, typing the phrase "Andropov's role in the collapse of the USSR!. Results: about 62 (in 300 sec.)."
        for example, a whole treatise "Who prepared and the reasons for the collapse of the USSR - (Part 2)"
        http://dokumentika.org/lt/pasaulio/kto-gotovil-i-prichini-razvala-sssr-chast-2
        1. Generalissimus
          Generalissimus 9 February 2014 13: 21
          -2

          ah, well, well .. 62 300 results! Amazing!
          For your nickname in even less time it returned 1 220 000 results in even less time.

          You know, such arguments for the value of the information that you cite are below the plinth.
          I was somehow used to using more reputable sources than Yntyrnet.
          1. 222222
            222222 9 February 2014 14: 15
            +4
            Generalissimus (2) RU Today, 13:21 ↑
            @ I’m somehow used to using more reputable sources, // @@
            "To each his own" .. to sit on the Internet is not zapad.o? I haven't read Solzhenitsain either, but I know ..
            if you have something to bring-lead. which are above the baseboard .. only I will be glad to increase my level to 333333 ..
      3. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 9 February 2014 14: 34
        +5
        Quote: Generalissimus
        Why is it incomprehensible?
        The author simply poked his entire article out of his nose, that's all the concepts.
        No, well, in fact, one cannot neglect so much elementary respect for those who will read.
        Unfortunately, this kind of "analytics" flooded all the resources like a flood.
        Already do not pay attention ...

        Not an article, but the hedgehog's delirium in the fog.
      4. catapractic
        catapractic 9 February 2014 21: 39
        +3
        under Andropov, the USSR would not have collapsed - I remember this time well and do not pour dirt on it
    2. 222222
      222222 9 February 2014 11: 18
      +12
      makarov UA Today, 07:01
      "It is not clear however"
      1. It was not clear to me when they demolished the monument to FE Dzerzhinsky in the square opposite the KGB - none of the Chekists left the building and didn’t even shoot into the air for a wit .. not to mention the massive protection of their symbol.?
      2. It was not clear to me how the St. Petersburg Chekist group rendered a huge country at the helm of power?
      3. I still don’t understand how the KGB ranks became business ranks and millionaires?
      4. VV Putin's joke: "I remember, in 2000, at a meeting with the FSB leadership, immediately after being elected for the first term, the head of state" reported ":
      - The assignment for implementation in the highest authorities has been successfully completed. "(Http://izvestia.ru/news/544959)
      5 I still no longer understand why Anropov brought humpbacked to power? Do you still doubt. That the KGB did not know everything about him? and withdrawal from the arena of great power of Romanov and others.
      6 .....
      1. alone
        alone 9 February 2014 12: 06
        +3
        Yes, is it really not clear that the Author only because Andropov's mother bore the surname
        Fleckenstein, trying to take on him the whole responsibility of the collapse of the Union. Another article. Where the author tried to look for a Jewish finger))) minus clearly.
        those who remember V. Andropov know that as the Secretary General he just started abruptly, he tried to put things in order in the country, but somehow he died quickly, without even having time to do 10% of what he planned. And still, who he was, this person He fought for his homeland, was a tough and principled man.
        The author is minus for denigrating people by family names. The hunchbacked father and mother were Russians, but he just sold the country, ruined it and received the nickname of Judas for all ages with the order of St. Andrew the First-Called.
        1. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 9 February 2014 20: 10
          +4
          Quote: lonely
          Yes, is it really not clear that the Author only because Andropov's mother bore the surname
          Fleckenstein, trying to take on him the whole responsibility of the collapse of the Union. Another article. Where the author tried to look for a Jewish finger))) minus clearly.

          Andropov has not only his mother Fleckenstein (by the way, the sister of Sverdlov's uncle's own uncle), but also his father's surname Andropyan. From the age of 10, Andropov (Andropyan) was brought up in the house of his uncle, the largest Moscow jeweler, who lived in a five-story building on Lubyanka. His uncle's brother, Sverdlov, was the lookout for Yankel Schiff (the inspirer and sponsor of the Russo-Japanese War and both Russian revolutions), the three sons of Sverdlov's uncle played an unprecedented role in the death of the Russian Empire, and in honor of the middle one, Yekaterinburg was renamed Sverdlovsk. The cousin of these brothers and the nephew of their father was the notorious Yagoda (Yehuda), whose role in the Trotskyist conspiracy is extremely underestimated today. Anthony Sutton points out in his books that Andropov's representative had weekly consultations with Harriman ... Andropov brought to power all the future destroyers of the fatherland (Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, Aliev ...), protected Yakovlev. He did not play for England or the United States, he was building a "New World Order" by transforming and destroying the state under his control. By the way, praises addressed to him (after being elected as the secretary general) sounded precisely from the lips of his fellow tribesmen at once and simultaneously throughout the country and in the same phrases as a carbon copy. He was the son of his people, he built Great Khazaria and was afraid of exposure. Think, turn on your brains, look for books by Oleg Anatolyevich Platonov, there is more detail.
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 9 February 2014 12: 37
        +7
        Andropov can already be regarded as a negative character of the Soviet elite, only because he brought to power Jude Gorbachev.
        By virtue of his official position, Andropov could not have been unaware of the shadow life of the first secretary of the Stavropol Territory of the CPSU, where the whole USSR nomenclature regularly went for annual vacations.
        The KGB system, headed by Andropov, could not have been unaware of requisitions, bribery, corruption that flourished in the Stavropol Territory, under the leadership of Gorbachev, about the system of covering the shadow economy, which was organized by Gorbachev.
        Why Andropov promoted Gorbachev, a careerist and corrupt official, from rank-and-file first secretaries, first to the Politburo to the post of Central Committee secretary for agriculture, then to the first roles, remains "Andropov's mystery."
        BUT knowing the further treacherous role in the collapse of the USSR Gorbachev, and that Andropov was aware of the true face of Gorbachev, the question already arises about the role of Andropov in the subsequent destructive actions of the socialist state of the USSR.
        The negative role of Andropov can be traced back to when Brezhnev L.I.
        When Secretary General Brezhnev fell ill and asked to resign, understanding his condition, Andropov, caring not about the state, but about staying in power as long as possible, trying to keep the Chief Elder controlled and no longer delving into any affairs, actively participated in the "persuasion" of Brezhnev so that he "did not leave" the post of General Secretary of the Central Committee.
        1. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 9 February 2014 20: 27
          +4
          Quote: vladimirZ
          When Secretary General Brezhnev fell ill and asked to resign, understanding his condition, Andropov, caring not about the state, but about staying in power as long as possible, trying to keep the Chief Elder controlled and no longer delving into any affairs, actively participated in the "persuasion" of Brezhnev so that he "did not leave" the post of General Secretary of the Central Committee.

          By the way, it was Andropov who pushed through the Politburo's decision to send troops to Afghanistan, thereby creating all the conditions for demonizing the USSR in the international arena, quarreling us with the Muslim world, creating conditions for isolation, undermining the economy, social tension and, as a result, dismantling the USSR. Economic crimes and the drug business of Gorbachev were known to the KGB, but his "roof" was stronger than Soviet justice. On behalf of the sick and infirm Brezhnev, Andropov was very comfortable with his work on the transformation of the Soviet state and the preparation of perestroika.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 9 February 2014 13: 19
      +2
      "Under Andropov, the people fell asleep ..."


      Where did such unproven author passages come from? Under Andropov, the people just had the hope that something had budged after the Brezhnev period of hibernation (stagnation). A real battle began with corruption, police lawlessness, bureaucratic rudeness, and the strengthening of state and production discipline. And that was not a slogan. It was done every day. The press and television were full of results with wide public involvement. There were no chants of heavenly life in the West. The article is completely false and biased.
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    5. starshina78
      starshina78 9 February 2014 18: 16
      +1
      How is Mr. Samsonov so well acquainted with the plans of Yu.V. Andropov? From what helped to compose them? Or is it all from the realm of Samsonov's fantasies? Who lived at the time when Andropov became General Secretary, he remembers sudden checks in cinemas, shops, and other public places about the presence of people who were supposed to be at work at that time. The initiation of high-profile cases of corruption in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and against Shchelokov personally. Tightening that related to working hours, putting things in order in government structures, and so on. And there was also vodka for 4 rubles 80 kop. , the people called it "Andropovka". In principle, if Andropov had lived, there might have been some kind of restructuring, but not as global as in Samsonov's article. By the way, even Kosygin A.N. in the mid - late 60s, he proposed to allow private property in the sphere of public services, trade, the development of handicrafts and the creation of private agricultural enterprises, but all his proposals rested on the Politburo, and specifically, they say, on M.A. Suslov. ... So Andropov, the head of the KGB, whose name thrilled everyone in the world, went for cardinal changes in the USSR - this is a myth.
    6. Caucasian
      Caucasian 16 February 2014 20: 21
      +1
      And what does the people remember ?! I remember these funny round-ups.))
  2. shelva
    shelva 9 February 2014 07: 11
    -1
    It is like a West Democratic agitation.
    Few of the military "were friends" with the organs, especially there were their own "organs", but Andropov's time was the last serious attempt to save the country from rampant looting, which was later called the triumph of democracy.
    1. Sunjar
      Sunjar 9 February 2014 07: 39
      +15
      Only now Gorbi really Andropov dragged into the management team. Also, an analytical note was sent to Andropov stating that the USSR would be destroyed. The note indicated all the principles and methods of collapse, and gave recommendations to prevent all this, but Andropov did not consider it necessary to put these recommendations into practice.
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    3. mirag2
      mirag2 9 February 2014 08: 00
      0
      Exactly to the agitation, in spite of the revival of the image of Stalin, after all, he was transformed by our dissidents into Satan, and the people, look, suddenly remembered him again, and want a strong Russia!
      And any information war begins with the debunking of old heroes, the destruction of traditions.
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 11 February 2014 01: 21
        0
        but the fact remains
        under Andropov, I myself rode in the morning in a trolleybus and smoked a cigarette there (I decided to wait for youth to stand on end)
        there was no one in the trolley because everyone was already at work
        5-6 stops no one went

        such cases
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  3. Sergey7311
    Sergey7311 9 February 2014 07: 13
    0
    Andropov has several excellent poems that reflect the essence of our Soviet and modern society. For instance,
    There was a "Renaissance"
    The people were naked and neobut,
    But how do you change beliefs
    The moment you e ***.
    1. makarov
      makarov 9 February 2014 07: 37
      +2
      Having sleep, food and labor,
      Fate and power are not overpowered,
      And we mercilessly ibut
      For what then they treat for free.
      И.Г.
  4. Deniska999
    Deniska999 9 February 2014 07: 54
    +3
    It is not known how the history of the USSR developed if Andropov would have lived for 6-7 years. Perhaps there would be no collapse.
    1. AGM-114
      AGM-114 9 February 2014 08: 32
      +8
      Quote: Deniska999
      It is not known how the history of the USSR

      In the year 91, they would have rolled rednecks on the tracks of Kantemurov tanks and hello.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 9 February 2014 17: 59
        +1
        The Kantemirov and Taman divisions made a coup — these are units of the KGB in army uniform, like paratroopers. The army in Moscow simply did not have comparable troops (there were only a lot of officials in uniform), and I did not guess to appeal to the people through the military registration and enlistment offices, or rather they called in some special forces, shot at the shooting range and dispersed until the Chekists wound up on the tracks. The army is a herd under the control of the Chekists - they rushed about a bit at 91 and went to the stall.
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 9 February 2014 09: 41
      +3
      Indeed, unknown.
    3. projdoha
      projdoha 11 February 2014 00: 40
      +1
      the collapse of the USSR was supposed in 1993 .. Apparently something made us speed up the process ...
  5. loginovich
    loginovich 9 February 2014 08: 57
    +3
    With a friend Gorbi - I doubt it
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 9 February 2014 11: 58
      +2
      It is unclear (complete darkness) how Flenkenstein became at the helm of the KGB! This is when we all wrote 6 (?) Count
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 9 February 2014 12: 12
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        It is unclear (complete darkness) how Flenkenstein became at the helm of the KGB! This is when we all wrote 6 (?) Count


        Interesting - what did you write in column 6?
        Nationality was 5 count laughing
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 9 February 2014 12: 25
          0
          C'mon, they didn’t put the question mark in vain. It means 5 columns
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 9 February 2014 13: 48
            0
            Quote: Den 11
            C'mon, they didn’t put the question mark in vain. It means 5 columns

            In any totalitarian society, there are rules for everyone, but there are rules for their own. Similarly, there were Jews surrounded by Hitler, and rear-wheel drive were found there.
            Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi, or "What is permitted to Jupiter is not permitted to a bull", for more than two thousand years ...
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 9 February 2014 14: 08
              +1
              Don’t need la-la! The rear-wheel drive Aloizych plundered along with the Strasser brothers! There this case was harshly suppressed and punished !!! What about the Jews surrounded by Hitler --- can you give more details? Just don’t need again about Milha-this was under Goering’s wing (really competent brow) -the level of training of cadets in the Luftwaffe was incomparably higher than our boys --- why did they fight us until May 45th!
        2. jjj
          jjj 10 February 2014 11: 37
          0
          The fifth point, to be more precise
  6. Frate
    Frate 9 February 2014 09: 09
    +1
    If we are to honor the memory of a major statesman, then it’s not such a shallow, infantile article. Indeed, as in a school essay, the author picked up the facts, but he himself has no idea what came of it. There is a lot of research about Andropov, both here and in the West (and even in the East hi ), many memoirs of his contemporaries and collaborators. So, with a sober mind and the presence of panoramic thinking, a vision of history, one can consider the activities of such ambiguous personalities as the chairman of the KGB was. Echidnenko mentioning Andropov's maternal surname and his "simple" origin, the author lowers himself to a petty, philistine and squalid level of kitchen chatter. This is either the malicious intent of the moderators to play off comments on an empty discussion, or the smug stupidity of the author, who suddenly presented himself as an analyst.
  7. konvalval
    konvalval 9 February 2014 09: 24
    +3
    With the advent of Andropov, the mess in the country declined sharply. If he steered longer the country would not fall apart. At least a hunchback would not have come into big politics. I speak as a witness of that time.
  8. shurup
    shurup 9 February 2014 09: 28
    +2
    Engaged article. Andropov was a Jew, but he stayed in the war, etc.
    This is from the cycle of Gorbachev’s last speeches in the West, where he says that since childhood he fought against communism.
    The author was punished for going to the cinema during working hours under Andropov? Or not born yet?
    1. 222222
      222222 9 February 2014 12: 15
      +6
      shurup SU Today, 09:28
      Was the author punished for going to the cinema during working hours under Andropov? Or haven't you been born yet? "
      What do you think, why did they pose the KGB with such an unusual task for them?
      On the question, I went to a grocery store in Leningrad in a uniform ... for a standard set: kefir - sausage - stand. a civilian approaches and softly in my ear: "please leave the store" .. naturally, I looked at him with such a look .... He repeated and explained .. I left home, turning on the afterburner
      The store began to check citizens .. Is it OK .. ???
  9. samoletil18
    samoletil18 9 February 2014 09: 33
    +7
    Is a person who has not completed compulsory or cadet service capable of being faithful to his homeland, and not to his selfish interests? Most likely, you can find examples of pros and cons. But the recognition of the destruction of the Korean Boeing with passengers, what was that?
    Reducing the price of vodka by 10% (the famous andropovka)? Catching citizens in movie theaters and shops? What is it like?
    The landing of the directors of trading enterprises and the dispersal of the Central Asian leadership is not a preparation for the collapse of the USSR from the East, where the buy-in as it says, will it be?
    If anyone has a desire to continue, probably not worth talking about the outward resemblance to Glenn Miller, who disappeared in 1944.
  10. Ddhal
    Ddhal 9 February 2014 09: 35
    +5
    I do not agree with the opinions that the article is negative. Considering the tendencies of padding in the comments on this site, I noticed a certain tendency towards primitivization, such as: one writes "we will fill everyone with hats", the rest - "hurray and ++++++". It's a shame even for the average respondent who does not want to flare up with brain activity once again.
    In my opinion, the article is objective, i.e. It does not contain directing messages for the affiliate reaction, but leaves the opportunity to think about how many more white spots there are even in the history closest to us. And this is very interesting, because everything could develop differently ..
    Andropov, unlike many of today's political defendants, was a patriot of his country ...
  11. ddmm09
    ddmm09 9 February 2014 09: 46
    +8
    The role of Andropov - positive or negative - can be discussed for a long time. For an objective assessment of its activities, it is necessary to know the details and circumstances of its adoption of a decision. Unfortunately, this information will be unknown to us for a long time. Only one thing is clear now - the collapse of the USSR was a pre-planned action to please the West and no more. Only these were interested in such a development of the scenario. In any case, the weak leader Gorbachev played one of the main roles in this. It is important that our own elite be formed in our country, which would allow us to preserve the basic values ​​of our society and the state as a whole. If in the West the elite is financial tycoons, then for the role of the elite of our state personally, I still can not offer anyone. I hope that the leadership of our state will be able to solve this problem in the interests of the entire society of the Russian Federation, and not in the interests of its individual personalities.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 9 February 2014 13: 50
      -1
      Quote: ddmm09
      Only one thing is clear now - the collapse of the USSR was a pre-planned action to please the West and no more.

      No, this is an out of control process ...
  12. bbss
    bbss 9 February 2014 09: 50
    0
    The article is not "negative" but just nonsense.
  13. calocha
    calocha 9 February 2014 10: 12
    +2
    Andropov "mutilated" Gorbachev ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 9 February 2014 10: 18
      +5
      Quote: calocha
      Andropov "mutilated" Gorbachev ...


      He deliberately blinked at the reptile, realizing perfectly what would happen next.
      1. AGM-114
        AGM-114 9 February 2014 10: 32
        +2
        Through the rotten party nomenclature at the Union level and local kings pulling a blanket over themselves - this is the main problem. Gorby is a scapegoat, no more.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 9 February 2014 11: 56
          +3
          Quote: AGM-114
          Gorby is a scapegoat, no more.

          There is no goal, no program - they do not take power. Power is also a responsibility. Thus, he was not a scapegoat, but simply a goat.
      2. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov 9 February 2014 10: 49
        +9
        Hudo
        No one missed anyone.
        Gorbachev fit into the project for the collapse of the USSR.
        Andropov was supposed to prepare the population of the USSR for Gorbachev's perestroika.
        Perestroika was carefully worked out by the Research Institute for System Analysis of the State Committee for Science and Technology and the USSR Academy of Sciences, created in 1976 ..
        Berezovsky, Gaidar, Svanidze - all come from this research institute.
        The USSR was deliberately ruined by the efforts of the CPSU and the KGB.
        1. projdoha
          projdoha 10 February 2014 23: 36
          +1
          I will correct: the efforts of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the GU KGB
      3. Alexander 1958
        Alexander 1958 9 February 2014 11: 34
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        the bastard blinked knowingly, knowing full well what would happen next.

        In my opinion, no one missed anyone. Gorbachev is a project of Andropov and those circles in the party-economic elite who wanted to change the system in the USSR
    2. The centurion
      The centurion 9 February 2014 11: 09
      +3
      Quote: calocha
      Andropov "mutilated" Gorbachev ...

      He did not miss it, he raised it, fostered it and brought it to power. But for what, the story is still silent about this
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 9 February 2014 14: 27
        +3
        Quote: Centurion
        He did not miss it, he raised it, fostered it and brought it to power. But for what, the story is still silent about this


        Now, after more than 20 years, it is no longer clear why?
  14. The centurion
    The centurion 9 February 2014 11: 01
    +4
    Quote: Sunjar
    Only here Gorby really Andropov dragged into the management team.

    This fact is the most interesting and so far the darkest. Much indicates that Yuri Andropov was the godfather in this matter. Why did he need to bring Gorbachev's Judas to power through the "hearse race"
  15. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 9 February 2014 11: 09
    +2
    The personality of Andropov is complex and multifaceted and it is impossible to tell about "Andropov's Riddle" in one page format, because the article is called so meaningfully. Many works have indeed been written about Andropov, in some he appears to be almost a tyrant, strangling the great dissidents Sozhenitsyn and Sakharov, drowning Hungary and Czechoslovakia in blood; in others, he was an advanced reformer who strove to carry out reforms, strengthen discipline and fight corruption; in others, he was a disguised traitor to the ideas of socialism and a supporter of the West.
    The article has many controversial and unsubstantiated statements, for example:
    At the same time, Andropov was held captive by the “Western matrix”, he believed that the USSR was doomed to die with the superiority of the Western world in the information, cultural and technological field.

    I read the author’s previously published articles, I supported many, but I don’t agree with this article, but I didn’t put it as a minus, I have no moral right, I tried to write a couple of times and if in the evening it seemed to me that I got a good article, then in the morning I read it again and mercilessly deleted it was cleaning the basket. There is no more stringent critic than myself to myself.




  16. Alexander 1958
    Alexander 1958 9 February 2014 11: 21
    +9
    Good afternoon! Indeed, the article expresses rather controversial and unexpected for many, assessments of Andropov’s activity. It is impossible to evaluate only facts, you need to look at trends, and they are such that it was under Andropov that the nutrient medium and mechanisms were created for the collapse of the Union and the change of regime, which, as a result, led to what we now have. Yeltsin also wanted the best, but it turned out as planned by the people who brought him to power. I and many liked the rigidity with which Andropov cleaned up and fought corruption, but, in my opinion, it was a smoke screen to gain popularity among the people, under the cover of which a creeping coup was being prepared. During the time of Andropov, the head of the KGB, Masherov was killed, Romanov was discredited, 3 defense ministers of the Warsaw Pact countries died in a short time and many other events have occurred about which we either do not know or evaluate them superficially. In my opinion, the author in a small article fully described the personality of Andropov and his goals. Article +
  17. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 9 February 2014 11: 42
    +4
    For me, Andropov's personality was always dubious, even when I did not know that he had turned away from the war. Remember how the Americans agreed with the Saudis to reduce oil prices in the early 80s. Oil prices fell so much that it became unprofitable for us to sell hydrocarbons. But we continued to drive hydrocarbons to the West at a loss. This is how money was siphoned out of the USSR. But this is called "sabotage and sabotage." And this was done under Andropov, under the guise of a struggle for order.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 9 February 2014 13: 58
      0
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      Oil prices fell so much that it became unprofitable for us to sell hydrocarbons. But we continued to drive hydrocarbons to the West at a loss. This is how money was siphoned out of the USSR. But this is called "sabotage and sabotage"

      No, this is called a planned economy. The oilmen didn’t have a headache for whom and for how much oil they would sell, they have a production plan and so on along the chain ...
  18. parus2nik
    parus2nik 9 February 2014 11: 46
    +5
    It is difficult to evaluate the activities of Andropov, what he wanted, what he didn’t want ... But it seems under Andropov, it was announced that the USSR would not use nuclear weapons first, which the West baffled .. on the other hand, Ritka Thatcher rushed to his funeral .. and very flattering spoke about him .. that identity is not casual ..
  19. demotivator
    demotivator 9 February 2014 11: 54
    +2
    Quote: Centurion
    Why did he need to bring Gorbachev's Judas to power through the "hearse race"

    In this "hearse race" Andropov was the second, Brezhnev was buried first, and two years later Andropov himself. Then he, already being a deceased, could not influence events in any way. The next was Chernenko, also seriously ill. A sharp struggle for power in the country between different groups led to the top of the scum Gorbachev, all decent people were removed during the times of Secretary General Brezhnev and KGB Chairman Andropov. The field has already been cleared for people like Gorbachev and Yakovlev.
    Only I did not understand the meaning of the title of the article - what is “Andropov's Riddle” all the same? The author did not tell us so.
  20. jjj
    jjj 9 February 2014 12: 17
    -2
    "There is so much in the world, Horatio, that is inaccessible to our sages." The time will come and those who are still young will learn many things that cannot yet be said. Let me remind you three points:
    1. Under Andropov, the Committee became the most powerful of such structures in the world. Both the First and Second Directorates at that time carried out a number of unique operations, distant echoes of which were mentioned in some films. And what geniuses passed through the tenth faculty of the graduate school!
    2. By order of Yuri Vladimirovich alone, the state structure of the country could change in a matter of days. The forces and means were ready.
    3. If you think about it, why, as a result of the so-called "series of betrayals and sales", our Motherland was not torn apart? Instead, it is gaining strength.
    Direct brute force can not cope with us. That is why now the enemy is resorting to new tactics. He begins to use patriotic terminology, to pretend to be his, rooting for the people. But these are, as before, wolves in sheep's clothing. Only now no one is forgotten and nothing is forgotten. Each will answer according to his dirty tricks.
    As for the personality of Yuri Vladimirovich, he was loved by the people, respected by employees, special forces and KGB troops
    1. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 9 February 2014 13: 49
      +6
      Quote: jjj
      As for the personality of Yuri Vladimirovich, he was loved by the people, respected by employees, special forces and KGB troops

      Andropov was probably not the worst leader of the KGB, but his difference from other KGB leaders is that he used the capabilities of the KGB to break up the country, and not to protect it. Moreover, he did not work at the level of a banal traitor or spy - he was an agent of influence and created the conditions and guided trends, which is more destructive than giving out secrets. On this he would have slept quickly. Moreover, the KGB under his leadership worked really efficiently. which did not stop him from preparing the ground for the emergence and coming to power of destroyers like Gorbachev-Yeltsin
      Such people are very difficult to identify and even more difficult to indict them according to the Criminal Code. many decisions were made not by him personally, but collectively or under specious pretexts. Stalin could fight such people, after him there was already no one. Now we are perplexed by the sentences handed down under Stalin by his contemporary, and what was to be done if formally the person did not commit visible acts and even did a lot of good, For example, Tukhachevsky suggested creating 100 tanks. What is wrong? No, but in fact it’s harmful, because the country would simply overtake by producing and servicing this amount of non-operational melallol. But in appearance everything is correct. Acts of Andropov from this category. Moreover, he did not destroy even for himself, but for those people who were supposed to come to power after his death.
  21. Mike Wazowski
    Mike Wazowski 9 February 2014 12: 41
    +3
    Definitely, he looked in a new light at Andropov's figure.
  22. 222222
    222222 9 February 2014 12: 51
    +6
    Quote: jjj
    "
    As for the personality of Yuri Vladimirovich, he was loved by the people, respected by employees, special forces and KGB troops

    How do you like Fedorchuk’s opinion from an interview given to him in 2007?
    “In this context, it would be very interesting to know your opinion about Yuri Andropov, the long-term chairman of the KGB of the USSR with the image of a liberal intellectual who knows foreign languages, is fond of art and even allegedly secretly patronizes some writers and artists.
    - My opinion about him is sharply negative.
    - Why not?
    - Contrary to the positive opinion of him among the intelligentsia, he did a lot for the collapse of the Union, willingly or unwillingly. "
    ..or..
    - When I think about dissidents, I immediately recall the well-known expression of Alain Dulles, the long-term chief of the CIA, from his book “The CIA Against the KGB”, when he says that we Americans are very beneficial that there are political prisoners in the USSR and we must support that, when they are released, they have clearly expressed anti-Soviet positions. It is even more important, Dulles writes, that the release of the dissidents coincides with the time when we, with the help of our friends in the USSR, will bring the liberal leader to power, and he will start transformations. It cannot but be surprising that the events in the USSR during the perestroika period developed exactly according to Dulles' plan.
    - Yes, that’s the point.
    - And in this connection the question: what about the intellectual Andropov? Did he not understand something?
    “He understood everything.” Moreover: he contributed to the implementation of these plans. You probably noticed that mainly state writers went to jail, liberals such as Aksyonov, Brodsky, Bukovsky were sent abroad. Some cultural figures were seemingly semi-forbidden. In fact, Andropov secretly patronized them, protected them, and created a corresponding positive public opinion about them.
    - Could you name these figures? "" "..... http: //www.intellectual.org.ua/Inform16.htm
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 9 February 2014 12: 58
      +1
      P-dec! There are no more words !!! .......! They brought us down from all sides and from the inside! And you still say something to Beria
    2. projdoha
      projdoha 11 February 2014 00: 36
      0
      Thank you for the link, some more information for reflection
  23. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 9 February 2014 12: 52
    0
    Well, the opinion of the author is well stated ...
    But I was impressed by the fact that in the USSR everyone could become the Head of State ...
  24. rotmistr4
    rotmistr4 9 February 2014 13: 29
    0
    As the saying goes, "I started for my health, I finished for the repose !!!" There are some interesting moments, but in general, a set of unproven episodes !!!
  25. Vadim2013
    Vadim2013 9 February 2014 14: 01
    0
    In my opinion, by 1960, the leadership of the CPSU was only hiding behind Marxism-Leninism. There was only a power struggle.
  26. supertiger21
    supertiger21 9 February 2014 16: 51
    -1
    An informative article, but I do not agree on everything. No need to regret what happened 30 years ago, because this cannot be returned. History has been given to us in order to learn the mistakes of the past as a lesson, to prevent these errors now and in the future.
  27. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 9 February 2014 17: 20
    0
    The article is a minus.
    Very biased. Information is not supported by anything. The usual balla, in order to defame the last adequate leader of the USSR.
    In fact, everything was a little different. Yes, Andropov wanted to eliminate the party apparatus from real power and take the path that his predecessor L.P. Beria suggested. Those. to leave the party an ideological niche, and to put the country in power not of party officials, but of business executives, and in fact take the path of China's economic development, which was already clearly evident even then. But opponents of the strengthening of Russia quickly removed Andropov, since if we took this path, the pace of development would be much higher than that of China itself.

    IMHO, of course, since there is no time and desire to look for proofs on this information.
  28. demotivator
    demotivator 9 February 2014 17: 23
    +4
    Quote: 222222
    How do you like Fedorchuk’s opinion from an interview given to him in 2007? ...
    - My opinion about him is sharply negative.
    - Why not?
    - Despite the positive opinion among the intelligentsia about him, it was he who did a lot, voluntarily or involuntarily, for the collapse of the Union.

    Andropov was one of those who led the USSR to collapse. His "political father" was the freemason Otto Kuusinen, who at one time promoted him. Namely Andropov, and no one else brought to power the "undertaker of the Soviet Union" Mikhail Gorbachev. Didn’t he see in this man an enemy of the USSR? The ostentatious struggle against parasites and dissidents, punitive purges in republican party cells, and the fight against corruption only exacerbated internal contradictions, and Andropov’s plans to abandon the national administrative division completely undermined the credibility of the central committee. Having come to power in his late years, Andropov managed to carry out personnel changes, thanks to which those who destroyed it were allowed to rule the country.
    Gorbachev is only the third “rocket stage” that destroyed the great power of the USSR. Andropov - the second step. And who was the very first? Who brought Andropov himself to the big people? Prominent Freemason Otto Wilhelmovich Kuusinen. The Finnish socialist revolutionary, who later became a Bolshevik and one of the organizers of the Comintern: the Communist International. It was Kuusinen who made Andropov the first secretary of the Komsomol in the Karelian-Finnish SSR, of which he himself became the Soviet boss. And until his death in 1964, Kuusinen pushes Andropov up the stairs of the party-state career.
    Today, few people already know that the USSR was once also the 16th Union Republic - Karelo - Finnish, which existed from 1940 to 1956. And Kuusinen is made the head of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of this newly created (sixteenth) Union Republic of the USSR. And just then, fate brings Otto Wilhelmovich with the one who will become his spiritual son: Yuri Andropov. It is he who is appointed the head of the republican Komsomol.
    Since then, the Kuusinen-Andropov “link” has begun to operate, which will successfully lead the Soviet Union first to a loss of moral and psychological positions, and then to collapse. Kuusinen will give birth to Andropov, Andropov - Gorbachev ...
  29. santush
    santush 9 February 2014 17: 54
    +1
    Hunchback pulled into power. There is no forgiveness to him.
  30. siberalt
    siberalt 9 February 2014 18: 12
    +1
    Sunjar



    "Only now Andropov really dragged Gorby into the management team."

    Well, it would be useful to know your very recent history. Gorbachev pulled Brezhnev. And already in 1971, Gorbi became a member of the Central Committee of the party and a member of the USSR Armed Forces, and in 1980 he was already the youngest member of the Politburo among the mossy comrades-in-arms. And it is quite reasonable to patronize fresh and young cadres. Yes, but there is no evidence that Andropov appointed Gorbachev as his successor. The population was not even informed that Andropov was ill and had been in the hospital for a long time.
  31. Volkhov
    Volkhov 9 February 2014 18: 23
    +1
    "Andropov's Riddle" is a piece of the big picture of the systemic structure of the world, where the USSR, the USA, China, NATO are part of one system and are thus covertly controlled. To control the provinces from the metropolis, governors are sent (in this case, Glen Miller) and, disguised as native leaders, they rule - if "Andropov" were sent to the Amazon jungle, he would have danced in feathers and used the talent of a musician, but he was unlucky and had to read official speeches from the tribune , and replace direct cannibalism with special operations "Alpha" and "Pennant", which is interesting, but tasteless - that's why his face is always dull ... no food, no dancing.
  32. demotivator
    demotivator 9 February 2014 18: 28
    +8
    Under Andropov and Gorbachev, the leadership of the CPSU frankly played tricks with the West to the detriment of the interests of the USSR. I will confirm this with examples. On April 20, 1978, the South Korean Boeing-707 with passengers on board entered the airspace of the USSR over Karelia. KAL flew on the Paris-Seoul route through the North Pole. The plane deviated from the established air corridor and, following at an altitude of 9 kilometers at a speed of 900 km / h at 21 hours 19 minutes, invaded the airspace of the USSR in the region of Murmansk. That is, it turned out to be at the very center of the Soviet naval and air bases. Koreans perl course to Severomorsk. Our air defense radars spotted a Boeing 707 three hundred kilometers from the coast. The target did not respond to requests from the recognition system "friend or foe". To intercept an unknown target, a Su-15 fighter of the 365th air regiment rose, with a pilot - captain Alexander Bosov. By the time Bosov discovered the intruder, he had already invaded our territory for 800 km. At 21 hours 42 minutes the command was followed: to bring down the insolent rocket.
    Released by A. Bosov, she went to the liner, which entered the right U-turn. The infrared head captures the hottest Korean engine - far left. But the Korean managed to complete the turn, the missile head lost its target - and its self-liquidator worked. Just when the rocket was under the left wing of the Boeing. The explosion tore off the end of his wing (console) - about three meters. Shards shattered in different directions. Part of them flashed the Korean fuselage, killing one passenger. (He died of blood loss, no one helped him aboard). Then another will die: from a heart attack. With a torn wing tip and one stalled engine, the Boeing was still in the air for another forty minutes after being hit by a rocket, and finally pilots put him on the frozen Lake Kopijärvi in ​​front of astonished fishermen. It would seem that the intruder was caught red-handed. The commander and navigator of the intruder was interrogated by KGB officers - military counterintelligence. They confessed everything, sang about how the Americans instructed them. There was all evidence that we were facing the dirtiest espionage operation, launched just at the moment when six US reconnaissance satellites passed over the training area, and numerous airborne reconnaissance circled around the maneuvers. But ... then weird things started. Nobody judged the Korean pilot and navigator, they did not change anyone for them - they simply sent the bastards out of the country. There were no high-profile press conferences and a good media campaign. Everything was kind of shito-covered, the Kremlin let it go on the brakes. Persistent rumors are circulating that it was none other than the then chief of the KGB of the USSR, Yuri Andropov, who had persuaded the top of the Kremlin not to make excessive noise. But the Americans in this situation used the opportunities presented in full. What happened then in 1983. already with another Boeing, and then with Matthias Rust, whose flight had disastrous consequences for the country. Gorbachev and his relatives arranged a real purge in the Armed Forces. 120 generals were dismissed. Returning from the meetings of the Politburo, Gorbachev's henchman Alexander Yakovlev boastfully shook his hands: they say that they are to the elbow in the blood of the military. The obedient Gorbachev Yazov was appointed to the post of Minister of Defense. The one who will then unquestioningly transfer troops from Germany to clean fields deep in Russia, leaving the military without housing and basic conditions of service. One who obediently goes to all sorts of unilateral disarmament and reduction. As you can see, the flight of Rust completely paid for itself and paid off. Both the way the Kremlin played tricks with the West and the way it was used for domestic political games in the USSR, one can feel the handwriting of the late Yuri Vladimirovich at that time ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 9 February 2014 18: 52
      +2
      Personally, I’m giving you a plus !!! Andropov left behind some questions. Brezhnev was ours, we know our own and all his affairs (both pluses and minuses), why he left a good memory of the people about himself --- this is the same .. .!
      1. demotivator
        demotivator 9 February 2014 18: 57
        +2
        Thanks. I am trying to reveal the theme "Andropov's Riddle" declared by the author.
        1. RONIN-HS
          RONIN-HS 9 February 2014 20: 29
          +1
          I agree with your assessment. Respect.
  33. bubla5
    bubla5 9 February 2014 19: 09
    -2
    Some kind of nonsense, the groundwork of the USSR for another 20 years will keep the country afloat, maybe the adventurer leader will come
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 9 February 2014 19: 24
      0
      Exhale and snack. Better salty
  34. Ross
    Ross 9 February 2014 20: 50
    +2
    Quote: Basarev
    A disgusting article about a worthy general secretary. Under Andropov and Chernenko, the USSR was at the peak of its military power. But then Gorbachev came and everything began to crumble in an instant.

    The whole irony is that Gorbachev is then a protege and favorite of Andropov, and he is also promoted to power. And hardly Andropov, the head of the KGB, did not know that he was a traitor.
    Not everything can be written in the article, but the point is that Andropov was a man of the West, although he tried to maintain some independence.
  35. deman73
    deman73 9 February 2014 20: 51
    -2
    complete nonsense
  36. 7ydmco
    7ydmco 9 February 2014 20: 51
    -1
    Kurginyan sensibly talks about the activities of Andropov and his contribution to the collapse of the USSR
  37. Owl
    Owl 9 February 2014 21: 23
    +1
    The Chinese adopted the "Andropovski perestroika" system, allowed entrepreneurship and private business, but did not allow yelling and throwing mud at their country, and if necessary, they could use tanks on students. The result, or rather the difference in the results, is noticeable, the collapse of the USSR as a result of perestroika from Humpbacked and the growth of China's power. In 1990-1991, officers of the KGB of the USSR told us about the restructuring of Yu.V. Andropov, and they (the KGB officers) had military orders and medals. The fact that after Gorbaty came to power in the KGB and in the country, under the slogans of perestroika, corrupt hustlers came, it is not his (Yu.V. Andropov's) fault. And remembering my childhood, I remember the missing queues, during working hours, in shops, empty city streets, everyone worked and did not stagger around, whispering adults that "you have to be at work, they will suddenly check." The fact that now it is possible to talk dirty about Andropov is that it is profitable for the current government of "corrupt bankers", they did not even make a tenth, one hundredth part of his contribution to strengthening the State.
    1. Hug
      Hug 9 February 2014 22: 13
      -1
      Re .: Eagle Owl
      The fact that now it is possible to talk dirty about Andropov is that it is profitable for the current government of "corrupt bankers", they did not even make a tenth, one hundredth part of his contribution to strengthening the State.


      I agree with you. As for the article - absolute nonsense! Pasquille on a strong personality, a statesman. The present corrupt fathers of the people are far from him. The article is a minus. The author is a shame.
  38. demotivator
    demotivator 9 February 2014 21: 25
    +5
    Quote: deman73
    complete nonsense

    I do not know what you call nonsense, but these are facts that have taken place in our history. There is another event directly related to Andropov - the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan in 1979. For the United States, exhausted under the weight of severe problems, this invasion was simply a gift to heaven. Their most cherished dream came true: the Russians got a third front of the confrontation - with the Muslims, in addition to the Chinese and NATO. We then quarreled with the Islamic world and got our Vietnam.
    Vladislav Shurygin in his article “Creators of Afghanistan” writes about how President Carter’s adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski (incidentally, it’s quite possible that he was connected with Andropov via A. Yakovlev’s channel, an “intern” at Columbia University in 1958-1959, and in 1979 - USSR ambassador to Canada) did everything to lure Russians to Afghanistan. And Andropov helped the Americans. I quote V. Shurygin:
    ... It was Andropov who was the person whose word finally convinced Brezhnev to decide to send troops. Let me remind you that at a meeting with Brezhnev on the Afghan issue, the leadership of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces (N.V. Ogarkov, S.F.Akhromeev, and V.I. Varennikov), as well as the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, General of the Army I.G. Pavlovsky, before taking the final decision by the political leadership of the USSR opposed the introduction of troops. After such harsh and unequivocal objections from the military, Brezhnev, who always listened to the position of the General Staff, despite his already established conviction to intervene in the situation in Afghanistan, hesitated. At that moment Andropov took the floor. Relying on some "intelligence data", he said that the US CIA in Turkey (resident in Ankara Paul Henzi) is conducting an operation to create a "New Great Ottoman Empire" with the inclusion of the southern republics from the USSR, that the US has already prepared batteries of Pershing missiles "to deploy them in Afghanistan in the coming months, and this jeopardizes our strategic facilities, including the Baikonur cosmodrome, that after the coup in Afghanistan, Pakistan is ready to begin developing Afghan uranium deposits to create nuclear weapons. After this speech, Brezhnev curtailed further discussion and ordered the preparation of an operation to bring in troops.
    At the subsequent meeting of the Politburo on December 12, 1979, Andropov, along with Ustinov, Gromyko, and Tikhonov, were the main drafters of the resolution on the troops' water.
    Today we know how strong the positions of Soviet intelligence in the United States were during this period. And it seems more than doubtful that the chairman of the state security committee did not know about America's true intentions in Afghanistan and about what the CIA was doing there. It is quite obvious that Andropov could not have been unaware that no missiles were planned to be transferred to Afghanistan and that Pakistan's "atomic project" is being carried out not with the help of Afghan deposits, but with the help of South African deposits and the scientific potential of South Africa ..

    What we know 34 years later was probably known to the head of the KGB of the USSR in the seventy-ninth. As well as the fact that the Yankees dream of driving the Russians into a protracted war with Muslims. Nevertheless, Andropov did everything so that our troops invaded Afghanistan. Under his wing, a sweeping operation was planned to demonstrate the assault on the presidential palace in Kabul by forces of the newly created special forces. To what? Why was it necessary to destroy the head of Afghanistan, Hafizullah Amin, who, in fact, called us for help? It would be much more reasonable to help him with fuel and weapons, having a controlled conflict, and not to throw the army into an unnecessary and difficult war.
    But Andropov did otherwise. The conclusion is clear: he worked against our country.
    1. dmb
      dmb 10 February 2014 14: 42
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      Maybe so, but you must admit that there is no special reason to consider Shurygin as a major authority in the field of the USSR’s internal and foreign policy. It seems to me that, with regard to the notorious meeting of the Politburo, he bears the same gag as Samsonov, whose article received a fairly objective assessment most commentators. Try to enable logic. General Staff against the entry of troops. Do you believe that the GRU subordinate to him in this situation supported Andropov’s version? Amin friend of the USSR? This is something new, I would like real confirmation of what was said, or Shurygin also told it.
  39. 89501358976
    89501358976 9 February 2014 21: 40
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    SUCH WRITTEN WRITTEN belay FOR MY HE SMOKES THAT wink
  40. pvv113
    pvv113 9 February 2014 21: 40
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    IF THE ARTICLE WAS ABOUT GORBACHEV, I WOULD PLEASURE THE PLEASURE. AND SO AS THE AUTHOR PUT IN A LOT OF A COUPLE OF FACTS KNOWN WORLDWIDE, AND TWO POINTS OF ITS ASSUMPTIONS - THIS IS ONLY A MINUS. It was under ANDROPOV that LABOR DISCIPLINE AND AGED AUTHORITY OF ARMED FORCES BEGAN TO RISE
  41. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 10 February 2014 02: 38
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    .. looks like a paragraph from a new story for schoolchildren ..!
  42. demotivator
    demotivator 10 February 2014 07: 15
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    The author of the material for some reason reports the name of his mother Andropov, and then with distortions.
    Andropov (maternal - Fleckenstein)

    I specially checked it for various search engines on the Internet, and here is what came of it.
    Many domestic authors were interested in Yuri Andropov ... his nationality. The fact is that in most official biographies this “important” item was missing. We will not once again cite all the "evidence" that Yuri Andropov is a purebred Jew, but present the results of the "study" of journalist Mark Steinberg.
    According to this person, the father of Yuri Andropov was named Velv (Vladimir) Lieberman, and he was a Polish Jew by nationality, and his mother was Genya (Eugene) Feinstein. My father worked as a telegraph operator at the Nagutskaya station and died of typhus in 1919. The widow moved with her six-year-old son to Mozdok and soon married the Greek Andropulo, who adopted Yuri. The stepfather soon died, leaving his “surname” (Andropov) and his daughter Valentina as a “legacy”.

    Nagutskaya station is in the Stavropol Territory (where Gorbachev comes from). Now this region bears the name of Andropov, and it is called - Andropovsky.
    “The most mysterious countryman” - this is the name of Yuri Andropov for those who now live in his small “homeland”. Most attempts to recreate the picture of his early life ended in failure. At first, Yuri Andropov himself hindered it - after all, he had something to hide. And after his death, all attempts by Stavropol local historians to find relatives of the famous compatriot and old-timers ended in failure. Andropov himself, already a KGB chief, once bitterly said in a conversation with academician Yevgeny Chazov, head of the Fourth Directorate of the USSR Ministry of Health:
    “Recently, my people in Rostov went to one person who traveled to the North Caucasus - the places where I was born and where my parents lived, and collected information about them. A rich Jew took my mother, an orphan, as a baby. So even on this they wanted to play that I hide my true origin. ”
    In numerous questionnaires and autobiographies, he indicated falsified data about his parents, as well as the place and even the date of his birth.
    These are the mysteries of Andropov.
  43. Aydin
    Aydin 10 February 2014 09: 12
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    If ever it turns out that Gorbachev was an officer of the CIA, will we admire him as a great intelligence agent of the twentieth century?
    1. Sour
      Sour 10 February 2014 13: 25
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      Quote: Aydin
      was a CIA officer

      There are no military ranks in the CIA (as in the NSA), it is a civilian organization. Its employees under American law are not considered military personnel.
      This is so, in order of clarification, nothing more.
    2. Smidtoff
      Smidtoff 10 February 2014 15: 30
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      It is so - an agent of influence. In fact, the same spy.
  44. Smidtoff
    Smidtoff 10 February 2014 15: 29
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    == At the same time, Andropov was captured by the “Western matrix”, he believed that the USSR was doomed to death with the superiority of the Western world in the information, cultural and technological field. The Secretary General took steps towards the rapprochement of the Soviet and Western systems. ===

    - All this is taken from nowhere!
    I lived at that time, was a political informant in the classroom, I remember that time well - like a breath of fresh air. There was no talk of any departure from socialism.
    Queues for the mass of consumer goods disappeared. A lot of good tape recorders of excellent quality, and other radio equipment appeared on the market ...
    The household standard of living has grown significantly.
    There was also some new confidence in a better future.
    If Andropov had lived since the five-year plan, the USSR would have been unrecognized; they would have overcome all difficulties.
    As for the reform plans, and who said that they were planned in the Gorbachev spirit?
    1. Sour
      Sour 10 February 2014 15: 47
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      Quote: Smidtoff
      I lived at that time, was a political informant in the classroom

      I also lived at that time, and already had a higher education and wore shoulder straps.
      Quote: Smidtoff
      The household standard of living has grown significantly.

      I didn’t notice this. Unless there was cheap vodka at 4p.70k., But nothing more.
      Quote: Smidtoff
      There was also some new confidence in a better future.

      Rather, there was hope. Not because of any reforms. They were not (not to consider reforms as truants in movie theaters and cafes). Hope appeared due to the fact that it was made clear at the top - they, too, are not happy with everything in this life.
      The fight against embezzlement and postscripts has intensified, which, after Andropov’s death, has again come to naught. It's true. Although this is not a reform yet.
      Quote: Smidtoff
      As for the reform plans, and who said that they were planned in the Gorbachev spirit?

      And who said that any reforms were planned by Andropov at all? That we do not know. Only the desire to tighten discipline was clearly visible. Everything else is from the realm of speculation. Either reforms were planned, or not.
      By the way, Gorbachev did not start with the collapse of the state, not with "perestroika" (this word appeared a little later), but only with "acceleration" and "intensification." In his first speech as secretary general, there was not even a talk about democratization or liberalization. Just a statement that something needs to be changed in the country. Why then did things turn differently? This is a separate conversation. And I am not completely sure what could have been otherwise.
  45. Volsung
    Volsung 10 February 2014 16: 30
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    It is as if by chance that he points to the Jewish origin of his mother and the fact that he did not have a chance to fight (this is with three young children at the beginning of the war) - and then it’s all a matter of technology.
  46. Klim2011
    Klim2011 11 February 2014 13: 21
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    If we follow the logic of the author of the article, then Shevarnadze purposefully pulled up Saakashvili so that he would displace him. And in the end, Georgia lost South Ossetia and Abkhazia