Sunday feuilleton. Thriller in two parts and with a happy ending

Part I

On an early Saturday morning, February 8, I put on a pea jacket, pulled a woolen cap on my shorn head, took a shovel with a wide scraper in the barn and went out onto the porch. The bottom two steps hid the snow. “Wow!” I said, spat, said “wow” again and plunged my shovel into a snowdrift.

Leaving snow to the left and to the right, blowing steam on the frost and realizing fully that man created the work, I cleared the way to the gate. Tilting on the board sash with my shoulder, time after time, a centimeter by centimeter, I opened the gate a little and squeezed out, trying not to tear my jacket. In front of me, right up the road in the middle of the street, where a grader drove around six o'clock, heaping lumpy snow along the road, lilac layer of snow covered virgin soil — such a smooth and so pictorially groomed breeze that biting into a shovel scraper seemed a blasphemy, a crime against art. With a camera I had to go out of the gate, not with a shovel. Having fallen knee-deep into the snow, I stopped at the front garden.

The black-and-blue sky cleared from the night clouds was strewn with white stars. Right above my head hung half the moon. Her quiet light mixed with the pinkish light falling from the lantern on the opposite side of the street. The windows of the houses were dark all around: after the traditional evening and Friday “piti merriment”, the weary village does not rise early. A light breeze pinched the skin on his cheeks. On such a winter morning, life seems beautiful to man. And it seems to him, this very man, that nothing can spoil her. To poison with political poison, to turn into a clot of despair, in longing for the revolution, into the death song of the marginal. When there are so many stars above your head, when your biceps and triceps are full of energy, when you breathe in the village air, and not in the city smog, it seems that there are no sorrows at all and never existed.

Postman Aunt Sanya appeared at the house just when I put a spade on the front garden and wiped sweat on my beard mitt. In the pre-dawn twilight, the ringing human voice broke the silence, interrupted until now only by my grunting, rustling of snow and the rare creak of the neighboring empty-field wilderness. During the one and a half hours that I rolled over the snowdrifts, not a single window was lit on the street.

- Look, freak out! - Said the postman, looking at the snow trees on the sides. - Why are you cleaning something? After all, again poured! Lilies do not work, do not spin, and you, a heathen, can’t sleep? .. Here's a ticket for electricity. Let us die soon all sinners. And what is the only punishment for us?

Accustomed to monologues rather than dialogues that require pauses for replicas of the interlocutor, the postman creaked to the mailbox of my neighbor Petrusha. Aunt Sanya carried newspapers and bills through our village on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.

I looked at the receipt paper. The main numbers stood out there in bold and large. But the morning light seemed wrong to me, and I did not wear glasses. I still see snow without glasses. I looked in the back of my aunt Sanya, who had chosen the road, looked at the black bag on her left side. After closing the gate, removing the shovel to the barn and throwing off the jacket, I lit the light in the kitchen — more light — put on my glasses, put the kettle on and took the receipt.

Village, street, house number, last name, personal account - everything on the piece of paper was correct. But here are the numbers! There was something wrong with them. They ... how could I say this ... were amazing. Here aunt Sanya or drifts - not amazing. And this document as if sent from another world.

The financial part of the table was supplemented with a new line: “Recalculation from January 1 2014 of the year”. And in the right-hand column the sum of this recalculation was placed, and under it the result was printed, the whole fortune that my family owed to the local Energosbyt. 22092 ruble 18 kopecks. This is instead of the usual 7-8 thousand rubles, each winter month transferred to the accounts of electrical companies by those happy residents of the villages in the Tyumen region, who were bypassed by the tortuous gasification process, consecrated by the electoral presidential programs! Yes, even seven thousand people came out only because the house was heated not by one 380-voltage electric boiler, but also by birch firewood. The latter were also not free, but the savings were still substantial. And by chopping firewood, the head of the family was improving at the same time.

I do not remember if I drank tea, I just remember that I turned off the lights in the kitchen, and my hand, following the switch, reached for the refrigerator plug. “Not to the fork, but to the forks we must reach!” - I thought, lowering my hand. “The manager’s mistake has crept into the bill,” a voice sounded in my brain. Very uncertain sounded.

My precious family was still asleep (Saturday, after all), and I locked myself in my own room. While loading on the Windows computer, I thought that it would be necessary to turn off the electric boiler. 6 kilowatt eats - this is a natural happiness for everyone there perekrachchitchikov. However, turn off the boiler - and in a quarter of an hour the house will become colder. Outside the windows - minus twenty with a breeze. Our house has the following order: the boiler is turned off and the stove is immediately melted. All day long, firewood is thrown into the stove, and at night at the stove, a mini pile of wood is arranged and stacked so that the logs are dry by morning. The house is big, one hundred and one square meters tail. And with six kilowatts, no one else was sweating under the covers. It used to happen that in the severe cold and on the 9 kW the boiler was started at night.

Energy news found on the Internet quickly. I chose a relatively reliable source and dived into the text on the monitor. My unhealthy eyes with a thinned retina immediately fell ill from the contrast of the semi-darkness with the glow of the screen, and I lit the chandelier. My finger on the switch key was shaking, and my brain was thinking about a new bill from Energosbyt and about how many rubles and kopecks I would get a computer, a kettle, a washing machine, a water heater, a borehole pump, or this eight-chandelier.

The news was written in an ordinary journalistic mix of clerical, an indigestible legal style and elements of that wild language, which we in Russia mistakenly call diplomatic. (Only Comrade Churkin speaks a truly diplomatic language, but this does not apply to my story.) The note on electricity tariffs looked absolutely ordinary, outwardly no different from other notes published in yesterday’s RIA Novosti tape. Nothing pointed to her formidable power.

On the territory of Russia introduced social norms for electricity consumption

Russian President Vladimir Putin today signed Law No. 25-FZ “On the Introduction of Social Norms for Electricity Consumption on the Territory of the Russian Federation”, based on the Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 22 of July 2013 No. 614 “On the Procedure for Establishing and Applying the Social Standard of Electric Energy Consumption (power) and on amendments to some acts of the Government of the Russian Federation on the establishment and application of the social norm of consumption of electric energy (power). ” Earlier, the corresponding bill was approved by the State Duma deputies.

Thus, social norms already nicknamed by the people "Luchina tariff" and excess tariffs are legislatively introduced February 7 2014 throughout the country. The law came into force on January 1 of the year 2014.

Earlier, in accordance with the Federal Law of the Russian Federation of November 23 2009 261-FZ "On Energy Saving and Energy Efficiency Improvement and on Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation" regional and regional offices for state regulation of prices and tariffs in Russia calculated and approved regulatory electricity consumption in the regions.

Recall the preliminary results of a pilot project carried out in six regions of Russia from September to December last year showed that the cost of excess electricity consumed will increase approximately twice compared to tariffs in the framework of social norms in other areas not exceeding 65 kWh per month .

The protests that took place in several regions of Russia, including the Far East, did not lead to any changes in the government’s energy policy. Responding to questions from journalists at a recent press conference, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said very clearly: "This country must comply with the requirements of the WTO, and the citizens of this country must learn to save."

“Oh, you,” I thought. - The law was signed only yesterday, and the next day you will be sent a recalculation. Just the same Olympic speed! "

“In hindsight,” I said out loud. - The law of February 7, and January 1 entered into force.

- Why are you displeased? - answered my brain. “Doesn't this law improve the position of citizens?” Improves The social norm is introduced, you fool, you dupe! And this means that at the rate you will pay three pennies per kilowatt-hour less than before!

“You’re partly right, brain,” I said. - Three pennies are a prize. But you forgot that electricity dealers now and then raise prices. The company that lights these bulbs, turns on this computer and warms us with you, reviews its tariffs twice a year and in advance. If the company reduced tariffs, then it, of course, would be joyful. I would then have hung a portrait of Medvedev on the wall. And with his brow in the morning he would beat him. But now, with the new law, our electric sellers, big friends of the Duma members, will be able not only to indulge in the price of social norms every year, but also to have fun with the excess rates as much as their energy souls desire.

- Lobby! - exclaimed the brain and began to swear and call for what I can not write here. - Wait a minute ... But where does the 22 account for thousands? In the resolution №614, signed by Medvedev, there is an increased social norm for those who are heated by electricity. You are given at the rate of another 3000 kilowatt-hours per month. Again, the improvement of the situation! Have you tried to be objective?

- I tried. Last month, the weather was quite a Siberian. Minus thirty and minus thirty five. And forty was. And the winds blew in such a way that it hummed in the pipe. 4500 kWh wrap only on the electric boiler, my dear brain. But you and I are not burning the boiler round the clock, but we also drown the living room with firewood. And if we were heated by electricity all day and night, we would be tired from the stove and we would be tired of setting firewood? ..

While the brain became angry, I spoke about the forks to the side and cursed indecently and unprintablely, I clicked the mouse and went through the little blue link attached by the “basement” to the note on the RIA Novosti website. You know, there are such references in the materials of news agencies - to thematic notes. I usually ignore them, but I could not miss this one. Because he could not, that from just one header began to choke.

The power pack introduced on the territory of Russia from January 1 will not affect the deputies

State Duma deputies in the third reading of the amendment to the Federal Law of 8 of May 1994, No. XXUMX-FZ (as amended by 3) “On the status of a member of the Federation Council and the status of a deputy of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation”, supplementing Article 23.07.2013 “Medical , household and pension benefits of a member of the Council of Federation, a member of the State Duma ”. The unanimously approved bill was submitted for signature to President Vladimir Putin.

According to the amendments proposed by the LDPR faction, article 29 is supplemented by part 10: “A citizen of the Russian Federation who is an acting member of the Federation Council, a State Duma deputy, is entitled to a monthly compensation of 97,5% of the actual expenses incurred for electricity in a dwelling, provided to the deputy in accordance with Article 34 of this law. " Part of 11 provides compensation for consumed electricity in the housing of deputies and their families, which is not official. Its size will also be 97,5% of the relevant costs.

After the president signs the draft, the regional laws “On the status of a deputy” will be brought in line with the ch.ch. 10-11 Art. 29 Act No. XXUMX-FZ. The new law may come into force on January 3.

Earlier, the statement of the Liberal Democratic Party leader V.V. Zhirinovsky that the mansions and deputies' houses, quotations, “need to pull out electrical meters and plaster everything there, so that there are no reminders left, and the wires are directly connected, is unequivocal.”

Unfortunately, the correspondent of RIA Novosti in Moscow has so far failed to contact either V. V. Zhirinovsky or the representatives of the LDPR faction in the State Duma. The adoption of the bill agreed to comment by telephone MP from the Communist Party. The interlocutor of the agency, who wished to preserve anonymity, explained that the voting in the Duma was held behind closed doors and that in matters of parliamentary support, the Communist Party shares the positions of liberal democrats, United Russia and Social Revolutionaries. “In the Duma, a rare union is achieved on such occasions,” he said. According to the anonymous author, the Soviet era is gone, individualism reigns at the ball, but the names of the parties are ordinary signs. “Which deputy will refuse free electricity?” The interlocutor remarked.

On the question of where the number 97,5% came from, the deputy answered: “Well, you know, all these fractional numbers, the decimal numbers are different there, the percentages, the percentages look convincing, let's say so - economically sound. And then, we can not write: one hundred percent. The electorate will not understand.

Also, the source said that at present, the State Duma has submitted for consideration a bill from the fair Russia, proposing to introduce privileges on payment for electricity for military personnel, employees of law enforcement agencies and special services.

My brain stunned whispered:

- Firewood. We need firewood. Rather, call Van Vanychu!

The brain said something else, but I did not hear it.

- What? - I asked. - I can not hear!

Monitor the news somewhere gone.

- Where is everyone?

My brain answered no longer. A female voice intervened. Very familiar.

- Wake up, sleepyhead. Well, get up. Snow must be removed. There is no way out of the gate.

The voice spoke and spoke. And seemed somehow otherworldly.

- BUT? - I said. - Where?

I opened my eyes. Dark. But from the moon outside the window you can see something. Ceiling. White square tile. Chandelier in five horns. Foam plinth. Pictures on the wall. Bedroom. But the face of his wife. The mouth on the face opens and says the words about the yard, snowdrifts, gates, shovel, strong man who likes to get up early ... My wife loves to scratch her tongue. Silent wife in nature is as rare as an honest taxpayer.

- Did you have a dream? She asks. - Come on, get up ... Well you like to clean the snow. I’m going to ten to twenty. - Having wrung out, she yawns and fits next to me, wrapping the body in half a blanket.

I jump out of bed, in the hallway I put on pants, put on a pea jacket, put my bare feet in the chuni and go out onto the porch. The bottom two steps of the porch are hidden under the snow. The wind is blowing. Half moon. Stars. Everything is terribly similar to what I dreamed ... I would not go mad at the sight of the postman!

To be continued

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Comments

[Same lech]

Sympathy Dear, such surprises from our government, coupled with the deputies, will come to us more than once, AND THE MORE THAN THEY WILL TURN NUTS THAN LESS THERE ARE CHANCE TO win the next election in power.

[mirag2]

I beg your pardon, that from above, I will immediately remind you of this - inflation in our country primarily depends on utility tariffs, Putin wanted to freeze tariffs, it turned out to bargain only for "social quotes" - now the experiment - it failed - it seems to have stopped.
and our new economy, the ruble exchange rate, directly depends on inflation, that is. increase in tariffs prevents our ruble from stabilizing.
So, roughly speaking, I’m sorry to excuse that without facts.
And the banks are pouring in - all of this series: something is happening in our banking sector, I would be glad if we had all the "market people-Chubais-Siluanovs-Dvorkovich-Vekselbergs" from the economy (he must have given Ponomarev money- type for lectures, he is my enemy, then) liberals cleaned out.
“They steal, they steal!” - so they steal more than anyone else, and quite by law.

[demel2]

Yes, they will win, both the next and the future will win, or do you think that through elections it is possible to change the power even with us at least over the hill?

[Andrey57]

I do not remember if I drank tea, I just remember that I turned off the lights in the kitchen, and my hand, following the switch, reached for the refrigerator plug. “Not to the fork, but to the forks we must reach!” - I thought, lowering my hand. “The manager’s mistake has crept into the bill,” a voice sounded in my brain. Very uncertain sounded.

Probably, the rulers really want to take up the pitchfork, but they will bring ...

[siberalt]

While our monetary system serves the Fed and pays tribute to the United States, nothing will change.

[Veteran Vlad.]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

AND MORE THAN THEY WILL TURN THE NUTS THAN LESS THERE'S CHANCE TO win the next election in power.

Wizard CHUROV, CHUROV Wizard - do not forget The same LEKH

[andrei332809]

Quote: Veteran Vlad.

Wizard CHUROV

Harry Potter has matured

[AVV]

Quote: The same Lech

Sympathy Dear, such surprises from our government, coupled with the deputies, will come to us more than once, AND THE MORE THAN THEY WILL TURN NUTS THAN LESS THERE ARE CHANCE TO win the next election in power.

Now, if the deputies would pay as ordinary people for their huge palaces, then they would not be allowed to energy companies, they would push different bills for bribes, but they would not forget their loved ones, they would compensate for the full program !!! Yes, and the question is who pulled us into the WTO, no one asked us, and even correspond to Europe with our salaries and pensions that are less than the European five-ten times, absurd !!!

[Vladimir.z.]

Quote: AVV

Now, if the deputies will pay as ordinary people ...

Now, if not only deputies but all state officials
paid as a people ..... and received as a people salaries and pensions .....

[lapo32]

Yes, they probably pay the same amount, though they get orders of magnitude more and 10-15 tyr is not money for them, I gave a lecture at the village club about the dangers of moonshine and got a couple of lemons

[SSR]

Quote: The same Lech

Sympathy Dear, such surprises from our government, coupled with the deputies, will come to us more than once, AND THE MORE THAN THEY WILL TURN NUTS THAN LESS THERE ARE CHANCE TO win the next election in power.

The tenants of our house created, so to speak, a supervisory body for the service company, for a year and a half, several million were sued, which in money was expressed in two months of empty receipts. In general, many city bosses are tied with service companies and first of all it is necessary to put pressure on such in the field, otherwise with such "princelings" and no enemies are needed.
PS.
The pearls of the "people's choices" must be spread over and over again on forums and networks, otherwise they have completely gone from reality to the astral plane. I think that the deputies together with their families should be sent on business trips to different cities, villages, regions without funds and benefits twice a year, here's a hut, here's a shovel, here's a boiler, here's firewood, here's bills, here's three rubles and nothing for himself let them not refuse, and the family that vacated housing for them receives good compensation ... ... Eh dreams
Thanks to Oleg for the article, it was read easily and interestingly and informatively.

[Stalnov I.P.]

Yes, under the guise of the Olympics, they did a dirty job, look at what kind of accounts we will line up in the near future and what will happen to the people after the Olympics. Finally snickered and lost a sense of proportion, complete irresponsibility to the people. The country’s development completely failed in 2013 - the GDP is 0%, hey, there you are the lawyers at the top, what place do you think that everything will pass and see how the people didn’t take the pitchfork.

[ole_ga]

Sir, you left me with your sleep, I almost left a zaika, a good hearty since morning, plus.

[Mart]

Quote: ole_ga

Sir, you left me with your sleep, I almost left a zaika, a good hearty since morning, plus.

Thanks! Yes, on Sunday morning, VO visitors no longer need coffee. Instead of "arabica" we consume "Results of the week" and "Sunday feuilleton"!

[atalef]

GOOD MORNING!
Oleg, it’s nice to read in the morning before work that interesting, beautifully written, mini horror film with a happy ending, good luck and pleasant dreams, in a recently published article, I don’t remember who already argued that the difference between the kW / h social package and the usual 3 pennies, if so, then sleeping pills will not be needed, Good luck
ps since this is only the first part, waiting for the continuation

[Mart]

Quote: atalef

GOOD MORNING!
Oleg, it’s nice to read from the morning before work what is interesting, beautifully written, a mini horror film with a happy ending, good luck and pleasant dreams, in a not so long ago published article, I don’t remember who already argued that the difference between the kWh and the social package and the usual 3 penny, if this is the case, then no sleeping pills are needed, Good luck hi
ps since this is only the first part, waiting for the continuation

Thank you very much, Alexander!

[Arberes]

Quote: atalef

mini horror movie with a happy ending,

Feuilleton is beautiful! He laughed with a clean and clear laugh — even his wife came running! On the spot with deputy privileges, a real hysteria struck me! I knock on the clave and wipe away the tears of joy! Why are feuilleton good? They always end with a positive and I want to believe that all of our mortal existence in this world is just bad dreams generated by our sophisticated mind?
But you go out onto the porch in the morning and understand ...
Mart-You are excellent !!! Intrigued by the sequel!
Inspiration and good dreams to you FRIEND!

[andrei332809]

Quote: Arberes

But you go out onto the porch in the morning and understand ...

hi to you hi
why not in verse? I'm already somehow used to it and where did your namesake-brother in the poetry workshop (major who) disappeared?
py.s. Vovka came out onto the porch
scratch...........

[major071]

Yes, here I am, here. He returned from a business trip and immediately for the comp. Now I’ll read everything and unsubscribe.

[andrei332809]

Quote: major071

Yes, here I am, here

well, thank god. the prodigal son turned back. Hi

[major071]

In the morning, waking up and breaking eyes
I heard a strong knock at the gate
I look out the window - the horse brought the cart
And in it a roll of receipts - utilities product
Yes, not one, but as many as three
One roll for gas, the other for water
And the postman yells: -ey, uncle, help
I will not raise this work alone, I accountants
Having pulled on boots and having fastened three
I was torn for a long time with the postman
How much the electricity bill is swelling
Well, who would doubt it very much?
I did not read this work in the morning
One roll per meter 20 with hook pulls
I just looked at the result and fell at the porch
You pay for housing and communal services and do not last long ...
Oleg, let's tie with such dreams, God forbid, the dream will be in the hand.

[Mart]

Quote: major071

In the morning, waking up and breaking eyes
I heard a strong knock at the gate
I look out the window - the horse brought the cart
And in it a roll of receipts - utilities product

Man, this is brilliant! 5 +!
Long laughed ...
And treuh is an idea ...

[andrei332809]

Quote: major071

In the morning, waking up and breaking eyes

what to say? I can’t even pick up words for praise; everything seems unworthy

[Arberes]

Quote: andrei332809

why not in verse? I'm already somehow used to it

I'll give you a light sketch now!

Quote: major071

Yes, here I am, here.

Well here we are all assembled!

Down there yet Tatanka Yotanka Glorified the Russian stove!

On the feuilleton, like fireflies in the light
Merry poets flock together!
Friends, smiles and funny laughter
Thank you наш Mart you for it!

[andrei332809]

Quote: Arberes

Friends, smiles and funny laughter

here you go. became like a person

[Mart]

Quote: Arberes

Mart-you are superb !!! Intrigued by the sequel!
Inspiration and good dreams to you FRIEND!

Thank you, dear friend!

[Tersky]

Quote: Mart

Thanks! Yes, on Sunday morning, VO visitors no longer need coffee

Oleg, ! Thanks for the peppy ! I’ll also try to cheer you up - 06.02.2014, Moscow Regions of Russia should decide on the introduction of a social rate of electricity consumption by 1 on July 2016. This is stated in a decision of the government published following the meeting on the social norm of consumption of utilities. So in the next two years, Aunt Sanya will definitely not bring such a killer bill for electric energy!

[Mart]

Quote: Tersky

Oleg, hi! Thanks for the hearty laughing! I will try to cheer you up - 06.02.2014, Moscow Regions of Russia should decide on the introduction of social standards for electricity consumption before July 1 2016. This is stated in a government decision published following the meeting on the social policy on the consumption of public services. So, over the next two years, Aunt Sanya will definitely not bring such a murderous bill for electrical energy!

"MOSCOW, February 3. The Federal Tariff Service (FTS) proposes to introduce a" subscription fee "for electricity - to allocate a share in monthly payments and fix it as payment for electricity transmission services. Then the costs of citizens who already pay for electricity will not change , but the owners of empty "investment" apartments or cottages, who do not pay anything, compensate the electricity networks for the costs of their connection, Kommersant reports.

As explained by the head of the Federal Tariff Service, Sergei Novikov, the point is that "without increasing or even decreasing payments for low-income consumers and the middle class," transfer part of the burden of paying for electricity transmission to owners of constructed but idle cottage settlements or those who purchase several apartments for resale. The costs of this infrastructure fall into the transmission tariff, which is paid by all consumers in the region, the specialist said.

The FTS expects that the introduction of a constant fee would lead to the emergence of new payers. However, market participants believe that "the population is tired of reforms" and the subscription fee may cause as negative a reaction as the social norm of electricity consumption. "

Source.

[Tersky]

Quote: Mart

proposes to introduce a "subscription fee" for electricity - allocate a share in monthly payments and secure it as payment for electricity transmission services.

I wonder how it will look, because this service is already included in the tariff, as I have already posted what is invested in the tariff: The cost of electricity in% of the cost for 1 kW * h
Services System Operator-0,0625%
Services of a commercial operator -0,0375%
Уtransmission servants (transit) -41,55%
Weighted average cost of electric power-38,44583%
Sales mark-up of energy sales company-4,625%
VAT-18%
Services of the Financial Settlement Center-0,0125%

[Mart]

Quote: Tersky

I wonder how it will look, because this service is already included in the tariff, as I have already posted what is invested in the tariff: The cost of electricity in% of the cost for 1 kW * h
Services System Operator-0,0625%
Services of a commercial operator -0,0375%
Transmission Services (Transit) -41,55%
Weighted average cost of electric power-38,44583%
Sales mark-up of energy sales company-4,625%
VAT-18%
Services of the Financial Settlement Center-0,0125%

And what, is the bar in 100% really weak to overcome? How are the elections?

[Tersky]

Quote: Mart

And what, is the bar in 100% really weak to overcome? How are the elections?

Russia is a country of great opportunities, and this I did not take into account ... !

[Andrey57]

And what, is the bar in 100% really weak to overcome? How are the elections?

And now the TERSKY starting digit for his calculations:
Cost 1 kWh from the Zhigulevskaya hydroelectric power station in the Samara region at the output is 0.34rub / kWh, we consider:
-system operator services- 6,25%
-service of a commercial operator- 3,75%
- transfer services- 41,55%
weighted average cost of electric power (margin) - 38,44583%
- premium of the sales company - 4,625%
- VAT - 18%
- cash center services - 1,25%

0,34руб.х1,0625х1,0375х1,4155х1,3844583х1,04625х1,18х1,0125=0,92руб
.

Has anyone seen electricity rates for 92 pennies per kilowatt hour?

In this list of "services" the main "Service" is skipped, the service of thieves is 233,69%, in this case the tariff in my apartment, 3,07 rubles / kWh, will be equal to the calculated one: 0,92 rubles x 3,3369 = RUB 3,07 / kWh

[postman]

Quote: Andrey57

Has anyone seen electricity rates for 92 pennies per kilowatt hour?

1. The nightly rate in (2013) for residents of Len. area - 0,93 r / kWh
2.Ukraine is very similar (1,12 ... if they do not lie)

[cosmos111]

Quote: Postman

1. The nightly rate in (2013) for residents of Len. area - 0,93 r / kWh

(((It's time to cook the plague, HOWEVER ((((

[postman]

Quote: cosmos111

(((It's time to cook the plague, HOWEVER ((((

better ... underground
/ I generally heat the base with 1 radiator per 1,5 kW, with a temperature sensor of 2

[Mart]

And further. News from this thread: link on the reader's comment.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Mart

Thanks! Yes, on Sunday morning, VO visitors no longer need coffee. Instead of "arabica" we consume "Results of the week" and "Sunday feuilleton"!

Read quote

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed today Law No. 25-FZ “On the Introduction of Social Norms on Electricity Consumption in the Russian Federation,”

social norms already nicknamed by the people as the “Lucina tariff”, and excess tariffs were legislatively introduced on February 7, 2014 throughout the country. At the same time, the law entered into force on January 1, 2014.

We open a site The President of the Russian Federation in the documents section. We are looking for and where did the president sign this law, especially TODAY.
And the President did not sign SUCH LAW either today or the day before.
We open the site of "Rossiskaya Gazeta", where the laws of the Russian Federation that have come into force are published, in the section Documents. Carefully study ... And we see that such a law does not exist yet in nature
, For this year, the Law under serial number 25 has not yet been released. Extreme Law for 2014 carries serial number 14-FZ. Maybe such a law with the number 25-ФЗ exists last year. We forget the search and get list of laws under the number 25-ФЗ and as we see from it, that the desired Law allegedly signed by Putin is not in nature today. Maybe they haven’t managed to publish it yet. The Resurrection, after all.

well read the news
MOSCOW, February 6. The Russian government instructed the heads of regions no later than July 1, 2016, make a decision on the introduction of a social norm of electricity consumption or on its rejection.

"To consider it expedient to give the constituent entities of the Russian Federation the right to make a decision on the introduction of a social norm for the consumption of electrical energy ( the need for its introduction no later than July 1, 2016. To note the need for specific features of the definition and application of the social norm of electricity consumption for socially unprotected categories of citizens, such as large families, single pensioners, orphans and the disabled "

, - the instruction of the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev says.

Modified draft resolution "On Amendments to Certain Acts of the Government of the Russian Federation on the Establishment and Application of the Social Norm of Electricity (Power) Consumption" should be prepared and submitted for submission for signing to the premiere no later than February 16, 2014.
Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2014/02/06/1229932.html


The phantom law is obtained.

[Ascetic]

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[quote] based on Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of July 22, 2013 No. 614 «On the procedure for establishing and applying the social norm of electric energy (power) consumption and on amending certain acts of the Government of the Russian Federation on the establishment and application of the social norm of electric energy (power) consumption ”[/ Quote]
There really is such a resolution, but it is called differently. Watch your hands as magicians and crooks say.
Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of July 22, 2013 N 615 Moscow
"On Amendments to Appendix No. 2 to the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of December 31, 2009 No. 1225"
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Now we read the actual Resolution nambre 615 of December 31 already 2009goda. which is called "On the requirements for regional and municipal programs in the field of energy conservation and energy efficiency"
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The main essence of the changes, the activities planned for 2010. postponed to 2014
The main thing is
[quote] "measures in the field of regulation of prices (tariffs)aimed at stimulating energy saving and increasing energy efficiency, including the transition to regulation of prices (tariffs) based on long-term regulatory parameters, the introduction of a social norm for the consumption of energy resources and differentiated prices (tariffs) for energy resources within and above the social norm of consumption, introduction prices (tariffs), differentiated by time of day, weekends and working days, if the relevant authority in the field of regulation of prices (tariffs) transferred to local authorities. "[/ quote] There are no uniform Federal Laws, as we researched earlier on the introduction of these measures. Therefore, in the Oryol region, the governor introduced a social rate of 190 kW / h (I know exactly from relatives in the village, people really began to PAY LESS, albeit not much, but less , especially since there are subsidies for pensioners, if there is no gas, then heating is also considered differently, but they have gas and firewood for the stove)
And somewhere around 75 kW / h at the Luchina tariff. In the Moscow region. at least there is nothing like it.

[old rocket man]

Electricity can heat a house in Russia only by deputies and and ... you. They make the laws.
If there is an opportunity to pay for electricity 22 thousand, it is better to invest and put geothermal heating, will fly, of course, a lot of money, but then the costs do not exceed the gas from the highway.

PS I can't have eight shades in three rooms, you can't forbid living beautifully. You have to pay for "beauty"

[Mart]

Quote: Old Rocketman

Electricity can heat a house in Russia only by deputies and and ... you. They make the laws.
If there is an opportunity to pay for electricity 22 thousand, it is better to invest and put geothermal heating, will fly, of course, a lot of money, but then the costs do not exceed the gas from the highway.

First of all, it is feuilleton.
Secondly, the combination of electric boiler with solid fuel is not necessarily used and ... you.
Thirdly, heating a house of squares with gas into 120 will fly, for example, in my locality into 5000 rubles per month.
Fourthly, gas installation and purchase of gas equipment is about two thousand rubles from us. Well, you have already said about the high cost of your version ...
Smile, please.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Mart

Smile, please.

Mart! Of course, I smiled, but somehow it became alarming, all hope for the second part, where is a happy ending. I hope everything ends well.

[alone]

Quote: Anatol Klim

Mart! Of course, I smiled, but somehow it became alarming, all hope for the second part, where is a happy ending. I hope everything ends well.

Anatoly! Housing and communal services are not Bollywood, Happy do not wait))) that which rises in price at least once, has an inevitable tendency to rise

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: lonely

Anatoly! Housing and communal services are not Bollywood, Happy and do not wait)

You are right, of course! but it is impossible to live without hope and humor, here you are on this forum, you probably do not feel lonely.

[alone]

Quote: Anatol Klim

You are right, of course! but it is impossible to live without hope and humor, here you are on this forum, you probably do not feel lonely.

Well, it depends on what plan)) In terms of communication, discussions and disputes, of course, is not alone. But there are topics where it is completely lonely. Especially when it comes to integration and partly in the Syrian issue))

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: lonely

But there are topics where it is completely lonely.

To know how to live life wisely, it is necessary to know a lot,
Two important rules to remember for a start:
You better go hungry than eat anything
And it's better to be alone than with anyone.

For many years I reflected on earthly life.
There is no incomprehensible thing to me under the moon.
I know that I don’t know anything, -
Here is the last secret that I have learned.
Omar Khayyam

[alone]

Quote: Anatol Klim

To know how to live life wisely, it is necessary to know a lot,
Two important rules to remember for a start:
You better go hungry than eat anything
And it's better to be alone than with anyone.

For many years I reflected on earthly life.
There is no incomprehensible thing to me under the moon.
I know that I don’t know anything, -
Here is the last secret that I have learned.
Omar Khayyam

Exactly!! however, Great Omar Khayyam (I’m still an eternity before him ) knew what he was writing.

[atalef]

Quote: Anatole Klim

Quote: Mart

Smile, please.

Mart! Of course, I smiled, but somehow it became alarming, all hope for the second part, where is a happy ending. I hope everything ends well.

Yes, no intrigue is still present, in the evening the wife will return from the city ...... She will bring news about the housing and communal services, Oleg will not sleep the next night either

[AlNick]

Quote: Mart

First of all, it is feuilleton.
Smile, please.

In the morning, instead of coffee
Article first , and only then the title

[old rocket man]

Quote: Mart

Smile, please.

Please But you must admit, 5000 is not 22000, but there will be more, because I didn’t write it.
And a solid fuel boiler with automatic feeding into operation is much more expensive than a gas one. And I wrote, if there is no main, supplying gas is, of course, expensive and not always possible, but today it is the cheapest option, as a result, everything pays off

[Ascetic]

Quote: Mart

Thirdly, heating a house of squares with gas into 120 will fly, for example, in my locality into 5000 rubles per month.

I have a smaller house. Somewhere 90 sq.m. It also flies in a pretty penny, the amount is comparable, But there are no excess standards and recalculations.
The Government of the Moscow Region decided to establish tariffs for electric energy for the population and equivalent consumer categories in the Moscow Region for 2013 (Order of the Committee for Prices and Tariffs of the Moscow Region dated 13.12.2013 No. 144-P).
We have a LOWER REDUCING FACTOR
The procedure for applying the 2014 step-down
coefficient to prices (tariffs) for electric energy
for the population of the Moscow region

1. For the population living in urban areas in homes,
equipped in the prescribed manner with stationary electric stoves
for food preparation and (or) electric heating plants, as well as
for rural populationwhen paying
electricity used for these purposes to tariffs for
electrical energy a reduction factor of 0,7 is applied.

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Here you can familiarize yourself with the tariffs. Moreover, you yourself can choose which of the three types is more profitable for you - one-part, two-part or three-part (night, half-peak and peak) That is, in your case, if you turn on the boiler for the night and flood the wood with a three-part rate. For a one-line example, you pay 2.81 per kilowatt for the meter, and from 23.00-07.00 you pay 1.09 per kilowatt, then the peak tariff goes from 07.00 to 10.00 when you pay 3.97 per kilowatt. Turn off the 6 kW boiler and heat the stove. Then there comes a half-peak from 10.00 to 17.00 here you already pay as in the one-rate 2.81 no difference here it’s the housekeeping business you want to save, if you want to, no. Then, from 17.00 p.m. to 21.00 p.m., the peak sets in (naturally, the energy companies set a maximum during this period. Since the population uses household appliances actively during this period, then from 21.00 p.m. to 23.00 p.m. half-time. Well, after 23.00 p.m., turn on the powerful boiler for the night. You can do a 2 kW wash I switched, tangible savings, I must say, the apartment has a one-rate rate because I don’t want to overpay for peak hours in the evening, but I don’t work at night and don’t do laundry.
By the way, on the Mosenergosbyt website, I have a personal account through which I transmit testimonies and an invoice is automatically issued. All personal accounts there are both apartment and cottage and no left accounts without account in the office OFFICIALLY do not respond.
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[Ascetic]

the fact that Medvedev has been pushing such a law since 2009 is no secret (see the comment above), it did not work out at the federal level, now they are pushing through the regions, as was the case with the tariffs for housing and communal services when the regionals inflated them so much that almost a riot began and Putin had to "tame management "fix it all. Now we numbered that idea of ​​the SNP (the Ministry of Regional Development has a rationale I wanted to lay out, but I read it myself, not for average minds, I feel ... but where it’s not clear). Therefore, everything depends on the greed and egg-head of local authorities and the social activity of the population. By the way, in order to save money. I use higher technical education and Russian folk ingenuity. I will not tell (in a personal, too) because as the youth-Uncle stas says, this is pale I don’t have any doubts that the SPS will be introduced in one form or another; the same Rostelecom has long been using this scheme for home telephones in excess of the subscription time tariff. The same thing Vodokonal thinks to establish the norm of water consumption.
somehow, on a direct line with the local authorities about these very SNPs, my question to the officials about what goodies I as a consumer will have if, for example, I did not choose the monthly rate (in the summer I live in the country, respectively, I pay at the counters at least), you can transfer this shortage to The following months, when taking into account the exceeding norms (in the winter I live in an apartment and naturally you cannot meet the "Luchina" tariff in any way) brought them into a kind of stupor, then references to the impossibility of technically taking into account began. And why then do I need a personal account in the State Services, Mosenergosbyt, Mosoblgaz, Rostelecom, Vodokonal and the devil knows where else? Lip chewing and translation into another topic in the style of some of our Internet fighters, So they take advantage of our completely understandable legal illiteracy and Jesuit style of presenting decisions and instructions that are difficult for an ordinary person to understand.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Ascetic

The apartment arranges the same rate because I do not want to overpay for peak hours in the evening and at night I do not work and do not do laundry.

Exactly...

Quote: Ascetic

You can choose yourself which of the three types is more profitable for you - one-part, two-part or three-part (night. Half-peak and peak

Greetings, Stanislav!
Since in the Oryol region there was a tariff of 1,9 rubles per kW / h (how much is not in the know now), in the process of insulating the house in the fall, in anticipation of the expected housing and communal terror, I purchased two gas generators for 3 kW of peak power at 8,5 thousand rubles each. The cooling problem was solved by installing a frame with soundproofing on top of the generators (installed on "skateboards" in the annex adjacent to the house), and two household fans built into this frame (220 V) - blowing and exhausting exhaust gases.
Total. The total cost of gasoline and oil, for alternators operating alternately, was comparable with the expected costs of electric energy at a rate of 2,5 rubles per kWh. In winter, waiting for the Russian stove to warm up, I warm the house with a heat gun. Since the shutdown of e / energy in our area is not uncommon, the generator helps out.

[Ascetic]

Quote: stalkerwalker

In winter, waiting for the Russian stove to warm up, I warm the house with a heat gun. Since the shutdown of e / energy in our area is not uncommon, the generator helps out.

In winter - three convectors, two on the first, one on the second floor, the total power of 6kW I put in the "economical" mode by plus 10, the thermostat burns up about 70% less in a month than when you live constantly, it turns out to be totally cheaper than AGV in automatic mode at the same temperature. Paradox! When you arrive, I launch the AGV, it warms up instantly from plus 10. Nobody believes ...

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Ascetic

No one believes ...

I believe.
I will apply.
Thank you!

[Ascetic]

Quote: stalkerwalker

I will apply.
Thank you!

Only the convector needs to be reprogrammed if the energy saving function is not built-in. in principle, it’s not difficult in Chinese. The Germans put protection against Lefties, It’s better to buy a native twice as expensive, but you can really change the power in a single mode, let’s say 1000W, if you need fast heating then 2000W. I have a self-made programmer in standby mode I bring up to 500 watts if you need a temperature of no higher than 10g. and it keeps normal even in severe frost outside (a wooden house made of timber is insulated outside and sheathed with a blockhouse)

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Ascetic

Only the convector needs to be reprogrammed

Understood.
Thank you.

[postman]

Quote: Ascetic

In winter - three convectors, two on the first one on the second floor, I put the total capacity of 6 kW

if you have 9kW input power (and judging by

Quote: Ascetic

three convectors two on the first one on the second floor

)
SUPPLY HEAT PUMP.
you will receive the same heat, but 2-3,5 times cheaper in terms of energy costs.
+ security, at times.
Yes, it is troublesome (100-300 meters of a narrow trench at a depth of 80-150cm), but expensive (at the start (heat pump + pipe), but! Then the savings.
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True minus, we are not in Germany 70mark (40evro) with apt. meter of the heated area the state DOES NOT COMPENSATE you ...

[Mart]

Quote: Old Rocketman

PS I can't have eight shades in three rooms, you can't forbid living beautifully. You have to pay for "beauty"

Seven 9 watt bulbs. This is not from the feuilleton, this is already from my personal life. True, the price of an energy-saving light bulb is 155 rubles. Horseradish pay off is called.

[sergey32]

Before the new year I bought LED lamps in the wholesale warehouse in the amount of ordinary incandescent bulbs. Much more convenient and safer than mercury lamps and more durable by the way. The price there was 70-80 rub apiece.

[Mart]

Quote: sergey32

Before the new year I bought LED lamps in the wholesale warehouse in the amount of ordinary incandescent bulbs. Much more convenient and safer than mercury lamps and more durable by the way. The price there was 70-80 rub apiece.

I myself will go to them, now the price has decreased. And before that, I lived far from the regional center. In the nearest town, such lamps were not even sold. Market! There is little or no demand for expensive lamps in villages and villages.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: sergey32

Before the new year I bought LED lamps in the wholesale warehouse in the amount of ordinary incandescent bulbs. Much more convenient and safer than mercury lamps and more durable by the way. The price there was 70-80 rub apiece.

Where are these prices?
LED lamps on the E27 base cost from 300 rubles for an analogue of a 60 W incandescent lamp, but they also consume 10-15% of this analogue. With the declared resource of 10-15 thousand hours (and some manufacturers - 25 thousand hours), we get an investment, as it were.

[sergey32]

You have outdated information. Prices for Chinese lamps are quite affordable. I bought it myself at the wholesale warehouse. Retail at 50-100% more expensive.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: sergey32

You have outdated information. Prices for Chinese lamps are quite affordable

Maybe ... But there is a suspicion that we are talking about different types of lamps

[VAF]

Quote: Mart

price of energy saving light bulb

Oleg, hello! Your "work" as always just it’s not clear why people took it as a feuilleton or a fairy tale
Nothing. Nothing .. now they will introduce more .. "optimization" ... then ... "Let's laugh"
even the "court statistics" are forced to admit that the unemployment rate has grown by more than 3% (but in fact ??? ).
Today I went to "refuel" ... I looked, and the solarium 35 rubles ..... I thought for sure .. I'm sleeping

now about paws .... forget ... "an ordinary hat" ... savings "x .. whole. fucking tenths, but the price" and they burn in the same way as ordinary ones.

how many bulbs I have. luminaires and illumination I will not write .... but ... according to the "economy" in deep well ... e

Thank God, he was smart enough not to buy "nano-bulbs" from Tolik

[Mart]

Quote: vaf

Oleg, hello! Your "work" is good as always, but it's not clear why the people took it as a feuilleton or a fairy tale

Yes, my friend Sergey! Numbers of laws, decrees, samples of recalculations, and they would all laugh ...

[VAF]

Quote: Mart

Yes, my friend Sergey!

Listen, Oleg. and what do you not know how to .. "be friends" with counters

[Mart]

Quote: vaf

Listen, Oleg. and what do you not know how to .. "be friends" with counters

In the village, that on the pictures, counters external. On the pillars. The picture shows one such counter.
I'm going off for today. Everything. Tired of responding to comments!

[VAF]

Quote: Mart

In the village in the photo, the counters are external. On the pillars. The picture shows one such counter.

Well buddy ... what to say ... no luck when .. warm up .. "as an adult"

[cosmos111]

Quote: vaf

more .. "optimization" ... then ... "let's laugh"

The ascetic <<<<< over there is a mother, that there is no such law in nature and cannot be <<<<
How many words printed-poor man.
Our president >>>>> can throw such a mean thing to the people? >>>>> AAAA?
I say no, this is clearly a fake of the State Department, ((((of their accomplices

[Ascetic]

Quote: cosmos111

The ascetic <<<<< his mother swears that there is no such law in nature and cannot be <<<<
How many words printed-poor man.

Yes, I don’t swear ... Just posting gossip is easier than going to the OFFICIAL SITE and see what really is. Sometimes you need to turn on the brain before believing in FABLES, TALES and SIMILAR PHYLETONES. I brought a bunch of different links for whom? Watch and compare. THERE IS NO SUCH LAW AND WILL NOT BE ON SCALE OF THE COUNTRY at least. And there will be a multi-tariff system, as in Moscow, an analogue of tariffs for mobile Internet connection (traffic exceeding) and a telephone. Somebody couldn’t refute my LETTERS, why not?
And swears for mom - get and sign. One Chikot silt, rude about mother’s pies and one more turned up.
Facts in the studio where am I wrong? No. Then you don’t need to get personal.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Ascetic

Then you don’t need to get personal.

who goes)))))
On your personality >>>>> This article is cool and yours, per-LY about the adopted laws >>>> but you don't need so many noodles, ears are not reinforced concrete >>> they do not hold (((((
And so, everything is fun ((((until <<<< the light along with the covectors was not cut off.
Many (((((today's tariffs cannot even pull >>> light and convectors. Taking apart abandoned houses for firewood ((((fortunately, at such a rate of extinction) is complete (((and everything is so bad)))))
Here's a trick, especially for you >>>> Chinese >>>>> .
Sleight of hand and ((((((

[atalef]

postmen so they will pull out electricity bills

[postman]

Quote: atalef

will be pulled out

2 3,5 times LESS (depending on T environment and how frozen the earth is) than when heating directly with electricity.
"Refrigerator" - the opposite effect
= even cheaper

+ security
+ lower required input power (2-3,5 times)
- (of course) initial capital expenditures

FINLAND (!), AIR (!!!!, not earth, not water) HEAT PUMP: ambient air - In frosts down to -25˚ this works great: having spent 1 kW of electricity on the work, the heat pump will produce up to 2 and even 5 kW of heat

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swampy soil, pond, river (stream) / nearby, or "own" will increase efficiency

[Heccrbq.3]

And in more detail where you can see (The hut to sculpt in the taiga, is there a lake and a stream nearby)?)

[bomg.77]

I didn’t understand something, is it true, about 22 thousand for the light? I’m just building a house, so I think you can think of a fireplace while you have an opportunity? Oleg, does it cost you much gas, and how far is the highway?

[Mart]

Quote: bomg.77

I didn’t understand something, is it true, about 22 thousand for the light? I’m just building a house, so I think you can think of a fireplace while you have an opportunity? Oleg, does it cost you much gas, and how far is the highway?

See a little higher.
Gas is expensive, in my opinion, to conduct almost everywhere. Unless someone was lucky for the "presidential program" ...
I already live with gas because I had to move to another village. For gas in the winter, you have to pay (the area of ​​the house is slightly less than 100 square meters) approximately 4 thousand rubles per month.
Fireplace is pampering. It is necessary, if there is no gas, to have in addition to the electric boiler a special furnace with a boiler. Oven built into the heating system. And the circulation pump in the pipe. It helps to save a lot, provided that the wood is relatively cheap. (Someone else dies with coal). We ZIL birch uncut firewood (approximately 4,5 cube) cost 3 thousands of rubles. Now in the same area is already 4,5 thousand. They still need to split. Punched will cost, of course, significantly more expensive.

[bomg.77]

Quote: Mart

the fireplace is pampering

The fireplace as an assistant in heating)) I had gas, only I'm afraid the same metamorphosis can occur with it too, I play it safe)))) so I'm going to put the boiler on.

Quote: Mart

We ZIL birch non-chopped firewood (approximately 4,5 cube) cost 3 thousand rubles. Now in the same area is already 4,5 thousand

We have a tense birch, here they drown mainly acacia, the price is 3000 rub a car, also 4 cube

Quote: Mart

See a little higher.

Read)))

[sergey32]

We have this winter in the most frosts, the pressure of the network gas has fallen. All turned on the boilers to the maximum, and the houses are cool. It saved me that I had a fireplace, in fact it was a cast-iron firebox with glass, which I trimmed like a fireplace. The efficiency of the furnace is much higher. From under the drywall box, hot air flows through the air ducts to the neighboring rooms. Many times I said thanks to myself that I was not too lazy to bring fire in a car in the autumn. I bought myself another Husqvarna, if that forest is nearby.
Guys, we insulate at home, otherwise we can’t feed the voracious monopolists.

[yur]

As for the insulation - 100% true! The house is 100 square meters, near Smolensk. Gas. heating. I put a new boiler (11 thousand rubles), plus a pump in the system, in the summer I replaced the windows with plastic ones. There was gas consumption in January 2013 of 1350 cubic meters, in January 2014 it was 680 cubic meters. The weather was about the same (at night to minus 20-25 degrees.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Quote: bomg.77

the fireplace is pampering
Fireplace as an assistant in heating

Advice listen to my everyday
To save your firewood
The fireplace product is European
Better Russian you bake
We have forgotten the traditions
You can dry your boots in it,
After all, in the oven before even washed
Baked pies there too
As you age you will be on it,
Lay down, sleep, and warm the ribs
If you stir up a Russian stove
And on top, like an eagle to look

[andrei332809]

Quote: Tatanka Yotanka

to look

just wanted to write the word "look"?

[sergey32]

This is Emelya! He even spent the conveniences on the stove so as not to get off (judging by the presence of toilet paper).

[Ptah]

Quote: Mart

(the area of ​​the house is slightly less than 100 sq. m) is approximately 4 thousand rubles per month.

Old structures that do not save heat at all. There is not enough heat carrier in the system if there is a gas boiler. Basically, losses due to drafts in the window cracks, not insulated underground, lack of "reflectivity" at the ceiling, as a result of which the ceiling is hot, and the feet are freezing.
Eliminate this, although it is often only slightly more expensive than building a new house - and you can save 20-30%.

If you use infrared heating panels (electric) on the ceiling, then ALL objects in the room that fall into the radiation sector become a source of thermal radiation. And this is a good accumulation and distribution of heat. Also the inertia of the system.
A source independent of the general power supply network is required. Those. benzo / mazuto generator.

[Mart]

Quote: Ptah

Old structures that do not save heat at all. There is not enough heat carrier in the system if there is a gas boiler. Basically, losses due to drafts in the window cracks, not insulated underground, lack of "reflectivity" at the ceiling, as a result of which the ceiling is hot, and the feet are freezing.
Eliminate this, although it is often only slightly more expensive than building a new house - and you can save 20-30%.

That's right, I know. I got a house that was not built "according to the mind." From "pencils" - bars 150 x 150 millimeters. This is in Siberia. There is simply nothing to rebuild, alter, in general. Very expensive. The gas boiler is old, uneconomical (well, at least reliable). There is no circulation pump in the pipe yet. Also a minus. The ceiling and floor are silent horror. Well, and a chill blows from the underground ... It would be all and nothing, if not minus thirty with a breeze ... But in general, comrades, life is good!

[Tersky]

Quote: Mart

. But in general, comrades, life is good!

Oleg, I envy your white optimism envy !!! !!! Keep it up!!!! !

[Mart]

Quote: Tersky

Oleg, I envy your envy of optimism with white !!! good !!! Keep it up!!!! drinks!

There is keep it up !!!

[Asgard]

Wait a minute, everything is fine with me (I bought a new Cruiser)), but when I left the Army it was tight ...
I bought a house for 20 oooh rubles (in the same money)) I tore off the casing from the outside and put Parchment (paper, impregnated)) with an overlap, the casing was in place (though it wasn’t enough for some reason))) proliferated, painted two years later .... .
He opened the floors, made a rough floor, also parchment, and the WATER moss heater (when you take it out, water should flow from it)) brought 5 cars from the forest (gas-66)) absolutely free of charge, dries on any surface for XNUMX hours and packs (expenses min. put gas and help the neighbor to cut the bathhouse))) put it a little higher than the log, on top again parchment and collect the floorboard using wooden wedges and iron staples))))
On the ceiling you glue the expanded polystyrene tile .... It gives a noticeable increase in heat in the house .... I also assembled the windows myself from three glasses (wooden frames)), and I put the glasses on colorless silicone,
He put the two stoves himself, there is no boiler in the house, only radiant heat .... No matter what the temperature is outside the window, I’m heating the stove and once a week, there is no dust in the house and the children are not sick even once ...... In the shed cubes of 40 sawn chocks, prick them with a machine = drill (http://youtu.be/QX2185ca5uQ) for five years (there is also a bath))) there are also electric convectors, they are adjusted for a temperature drop of +12, so they rarely turn on (Wait a payment for a 3-phase counter-3120r)) these are the machines in the garage, the compressor, infrared heaters-lamps, the pool (chick)) well, the little things))) heating by car .... I have a BMW son ... .
There are gel batteries (pure sine-uninterruptible-autonomy for 10 kW) diesel generator .... but this is a delight and it costs oh-oh-oh-oh ...
about five years ago, I dug a house half a meter and laid 10 cm of polystyrene close to the foundation, carefully sprinkled it with earth, it also became warmer in the basement, at least the potatoes were not heated .....

So if without frills, then in 30 thousand. can be met on 130 square meters ....
And Fold the stove, if interested, I will send the video and lay-out .... I put it down for the first time in my life (CAM)) and it turned out))) only in a larger salt solution and this is not difficult (when you know)))

At the quarry I bought ready-made metal stoves, you get tired, you fill up the sand and you can cook and heats the dining room, the window is constantly open .... We drown once a day ....

[Luzhichanin]

it is possible without salt, the main secret of the oven is, if it dries well, then horseradish will break, and if you even coat a few layers of clay with liquid, naturally, after drying the previous layer, it’s sooooo thin a layer, so it’ll last a century, even without staining. these are the old-fashioned technologies.
By the way, if you already had salt in it, but no, then you can take a regular sand.

[old rocket man]

Quote: Mart

In general, there is simply nothing to rebuild, redo. Very expensive

I agree. Consider the option of warming with a mineral slab outside and the ceiling from the attic, if you do it yourself (do not hire) the costs are quite acceptable. If the house is from a timber, there will be no problems!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mart

From "pencils" - bars 150 x 150 millimeters.

It will not be enough. My mother lives in a log house, the logs are not calibrated. bricked. An ordinary cooking stove, five knees, to -25 ° C, the mother drowns once, if lower, 2 times. True, oak firewood, over the summer on Kalina-Universal, he imported 10-12 cubes. Urgently warm up.
P.S. Thanks for the feuilleton, sort of like a joke, but every joke has a fraction of a joke.

[Tersky]

Quote: Mart

In winter you have to pay for gas (the area of ​​the house is slightly less than 100 sq. M) about 4 thousand rubles a month.

However, decently goes. ... I have a house of 95 squares, in January I burned 395 cubes, the frosts reached -24. True, I have a mounted boiler (German "Vaillant" - 242), expensive (I bought it 4 years ago, together with a coaxial chimney cost 30,5 thousand), but after its installation, the gas savings are significant.

[Mart]

Quote: Tersky

However, it comes out decently. recourse ... I have a house of 95 squares, in January I burned 395 cubes, the frosts reached -24. True, I have a mounted boiler (German "Vaillant" - 242), expensive (I bought it 4 years ago, together with a coaxial chimney it cost 30,5 thousand), but after its installation, the gas savings are significant.

Right, Victor. (See above). My boiler is uneconomical and there is no pump in the system. Well, in general, the house is cold. It is wrong to build houses in our climate, it is stupid. But they are building when there is not enough money ...

[VAF]

Quote: Tersky

.I have a house of 95 squares, in January I fired at 395 cubes

Hi victor Your gas consumption is quite normal, for such a squaring of the house with a normal boiler. but here you write that you have a German .. so it is very not economical.
I have 3 times more squares. A boiler .. ancient Sarmat and in severe frosts 9 as this year reached -27-29 at night more than 1000 cubic meters did not come out and this despite the fact that I didn’t particularly warm the house .. we live in the south .
True, the circular pump stands, threshes to \ s but in 1 mode, so it is not audible and not visible

[Tersky]

Quote: vaf

your gas flow is quite normal, for such a squaring of the house with a normal boiler. but here you write that you have a German .. so it is very not economical.

Serega, hello! You’re right, your hands simply don’t get enough money to re-program the boiler for lower power (factory default 24 kW) and install a pragramator with external and external temperature sensors (the second year it’s lying, your hands do not reach). Once I climbed into the regime change menu, I looked and realized that the chances were there, first of all, that they wound up there to protect us from the hands of our Kulibins that there wouldn’t be enough of one. ! But still, compared with the leading (simple boiler) consumption fell by 40-45%. True, I changed all the windows to double-glazed windows, on this all the measures for heat saving were limited and there are still options. Well, this is a matter for the near future. !

[makarov]

In every joke, there is a fraction of the joke, as in this material.
1.I have an assumption that the so-called. the social benefit for 3000 kW / h will apply only to those subscribers whose electric heating project is approved by the local power generating company. If this is not done, then indeed, the "joke" amounts laid out in the material will become real.
2. in my house (100m / sq), the heating system only 50 liters. water, and always worth an electric pump. This saves 40% gas compared to an old boiler without a pump. The pump itself is at least a little expensive, but it consumes electric energy.
3. Living in the south-east of Ukraine, where winters are relatively mild and warm, at the same time, he calculated and made double-glazed windows using silicone. In the northern regions, a triple package will save heat very significantly.
That's basically all that I wanted to say, and what to share.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Thank you Oleg! Write beautifully and intelligibly with humor (I really wanted to clean the snow too)) And now about the bad news ... It was always a shame that there were heaps of oil in the country of gas (we supply half of the world) "national treasure" and they are tearing up the population as if it were Europe supplies .. (I remember playing with gas coupons as a child ..) Oh, times ..

[Mart]

Quote: MIKHAN

Thank you Oleg! Write beautifully and intelligibly with humor (I really wanted to clean the snow too)) And now about the bad news ... It was always a shame that there were heaps of oil in the country of gas (we supply half of the world) "national treasure" and they are tearing up the population as if it were Europe supplies .. (I remember playing with gas coupons as a child ..) Oh, times ..

Exactly. With some oil and gas sheikhs would take an example, or something ...

[Lyapis]

Comrades, explain, "Sunday feuilleton" will become a permanent VO heading?

[Mart]

Quote: Lyapis

Comrades, explain, "Sunday feuilleton" will become a permanent VO heading?

Kamrad explains: will be. I'm still in the comments to the past feuilleton warnedwhat will become.
If there are comments, suggestions, lay out. Ready to listen.

[Ptah]

Ok so.
And since you, ts. "a person close to the emperor", that is, to the admins, can post a couple of articles on Sundays just outside of politics, but only exclusively "from everyday life" ...

Shl. At the time of the Olympics, for a couple of weeks, hang a similar picture on the background.
Many resources have changed their headers and design.

[Mart]

Quote: Ptah

Ok so.
And since you, ts. "a person close to the emperor", that is, to the admins, can post a couple of articles on Sundays just outside of politics, but only exclusively "from everyday life" ...
Shl. At the time of the Olympics, for a couple of weeks, hang a similar picture on the background.
Many resources have changed their headers and design.

Thanks for the comment. I will tell who should.

[Egoza]

Quote: Mart

If there are comments, suggestions, lay out. Ready to listen.

No comments! There is gratitude with the entry!
Oleg! You have wonderful described MY morning and the fight against the rubble! True, our snow does not lie flat, but like "dunes". There is no meeting with the postman. Somehow, under cover of darkness, all this passes ... You go out in the morning - lo and behold - a "letter of happiness" sticks out in the drawer.
That's just gas is heated for me ... well, like gas ... if you believe our gas workers, they supply gas with such impurities that there is no actual gas there. Ry-y-haired such a thing goes that the boiler goes out. But I seriously advise you: if you are going to install the boiler, be sure to combine it with a circulating motor, so the gas consumption is almost halved! Well, also (I don't know, but as in the Russian Federation), we have a gradation of payment, i.e. if you spend less than 2500 cubic meters per year - the price is one, more - the cost for the entire period will be increased. So there are options for "maneuvers" to pay cheaper.

[Mart]

Quote: Egoza

No comments! There is gratitude with the entry!

I kiss the handle, Elena.

Quote: Egoza

Oleg! You have wonderful described MY morning and the fight against the rubble!

And where are the rough male rabsila?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mart

And where are the rough male rabsila?

Oleg, well, where are all the men in Ukraine now, either on maidan or on anti-maidan. Well, some more on saits will save the country
Hi

[Mart]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Oleg, well, where are all the men in Ukraine now, either on the Maidan or on the anti-Maidan. Well, some more on the Saite are saving the country laughing
Hi hi

Hi Sasha!
So the girls remain unattended.

[Egoza]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Oleg, well, where are all the men in Ukraine now, either on maidan or on anti-maidan. Well, some more on saits will save the country

ROMANOV !!!! I'll give it to the forehead! For malicious slander against my children !!! They are not brought up so as to "walk" on the Maidans. They either work hard, because families grow, or in the evening they "patrol" like conscientious citizens protecting the civilian population from all sorts of thugs!

[sergo0000]

I would like to read and continued.
Something happy end here does not smell.

[andrei332809]

Well, the author, well done! started as Prishvin, graduated as Chekhov
and the topic is raised seriously, thanks

[Mart]

Quote: andrei332809

Well, the author, well done! started as Prishvin, graduated as Chekhov

Thank you very much, Andrew. Chekhov is my favorite writer.

[andrei332809]

Quote: Mart

Chekhov is my favorite writer

noticeably noticeable
and who do you call "seventh"? as there Anton Palycha- "though you are the seventh, but a dypak"

[Mart]

Quote: andrei332809

and who do you call "seventh"?

It's a secret. Shhh. And there is also a Russian proverb: "I ring more in an empty barrel".

[Name]

"... settlement from January 1, 2014 ..."retroactively, the government needs to arrange.

[kaktus]

"I receive a bill for electricity - it gets dark in my eyes, and there is no bright future to be seen" (c)

[Shatt]

Literary talent, read with pleasure. And I am glad that I read it, otherwise I would have thought that in fact there was such a jump, and the deputies are compensated

[Mart]

Quote: Shatt

Literary talent, read with pleasure. And I am glad that I read it, otherwise I would have thought that in fact there was such a jump, and the deputies are compensated

Thank you, comrade!

[zadorin1974]

Greetings Oleg! I have the same problems (in principle, the entire population of our GREAT regards) While the house was being rebuilt and the outbuilding was heated by electricity, for example, when studying monthly receipts for electricity, I ate "fish soup". Now I put the "miracle oven" on wooden fuel - labor added, but the wallet has grown noticeably fat. At the expense of gas now (after meticulous calculations) I do not even think. My family is not so rich to pay wild (extortionate) prices for gas supply and everything accompanying it. Only one thing is surprising, why Tatarstan , Kirov Region and Perm Territory, such a run-up in prices for connecting gas supply, as if it were different countries on different continents.

[irka_65. irina]

Yes, dear. Joker you however. After all, a little Kandrashka was not enough. How are you departing from such a dream?

[shurup]

There is not much firewood in the photo.
I offer a share. Each dissatisfied sends a log by mail to the Duma.
It is necessary to support the deputies.

[andrei332809]

Quote: shurup

I offer a share. Each dissatisfied sends a log by mail to the Duma

I’ll be generous with the gas canister. when you overthrow the Duma with firewood, let me know, I’ll rush off with a canister in a moment.

[Vladimir 23rus]

If everyone wants to bring a match No firewood or gas will be needed!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Here I would like to add to Oleg's article ..
Reading the article and looking at the photo .. It’s still calmer on the soul While such people live in Russia (especially in Siberia), we have nothing to fear and we will overcome and win! Write Oleg you are very good at it!

[Mart]

Quote: MIKHAN

Here I would like to add to Oleg's article ..
Reading the article and looking at the photo .. It’s still calmer on the soul While such people live in Russia (especially in Siberia), we have nothing to fear and we will overcome and win! Write Oleg you are very good at it!

Thank you very much!
There is a happy man in the photo who has pricked 10 firewood cubes in the fall.

[My address]

Dear Oleg!

I live in the Urals. They issued mother-in-law, a veteran of both labor and war, natural gas instead of bottled gas into her house, so more than 30 thousand fell, since the gas pipeline runs alongside the street. As far as I do not know, the wife paid and is silent. Apparently decent for 30. I do not ask, mother-in-law is golden, I do not mind.
And yet - I have gas in the apartment. So this one with an iPhone came up with how to save - with the 2015 of the year, you need to install a gas meter, pay for everything about everything about 7 thousand. Together with my wife we ​​will justify the years counter for 10. And in economics, no more than 7 is considered normal. All right, we'll find. Well, what about those who have money problems?

It's like our power is cut off from the people!
And how it comes off the people!

[Mart]

Quote: My address

It's like our power is cut off from the people!
And how it comes off the people!

Therefore, no external enemy is terrible for the Russians. We have gone through perestroika, privatization, hyperinflation, Gaidar, MMM and Khoper-Invest, 1998, 2008, we survive under our Energosbyt and Mezhregiongaz and do not envy the Arabs. Chubais, Serdyukov and other friends of the authorities laugh at us, but we still live. We are not dying out to spite them all. No, the occupier is not terrible.

[Ptah]

Quote: Mart

We, in spite of them all do not die out. No, the occupier is not afraid.

You know, Oleg, no matter how blasphemous and cynical it may sound, sometimes you really want the arrival of the "occupier". Necessarily external, because internal occupiers have been operating for a long time. They are effective, I must admit.
So that we all unite before the enemy, forget squabbles and constant news about "mercy to the enemies" ...
So that it would be possible according to the laws of the WAR, to shake someone’s moshna ...
Abramovich will buy AUG and call it Nakhimov.
Vekselberg will acquire an electronic intelligence complex for an inexpensive Israeli system.
Potanin - "Nevsky" regiment.
Prokhorov - tank division "Donskoy", well, etc ...
The curly sisska Polonsky will return and build .....
..... "the Maginot line" ...

I am not a reckless militarist, and I also will not say that I do not understand the words from the songs "My dear, only there would be no war ..."
But sometimes I feel like it ... To start - but to end, than the murky obscurity ....
Eeeeeh ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ptah

So that we all come together before the enemy, forget

Healthy Ptah! If you miss it, the people will quickly unite, but then again, around those whom you call the internal invaders. During the period of the external shecher, it is foolish to overthrow the government, there will be complete anarchy, which will lead to defeat. 1 world to you, as an example.

Quote: Ptah

Abramovich will buy AUG and call it "Nakhimov"

He won’t buy it, he will stuff his yacht with groceries and rush to Australia, away from bullets and fragments.

Quote: Ptah

Vekselberg to acquire electronic intelligence complex for inexpensive Israel

He will quickly remember that he is a Jew and will be dumped in Israel.

Quote: Ptah

Prokhorov - the Donskoy tank division, well, etc.

We’ll find this horseradish in general.

Quote: Ptah

The curly sisska Polonsky will return and build .....
..... "the Maginot line" ...

Where to return to London

Quote: Ptah

. To begin - but to end, than the murky obscurity ....

Are you already a warrior wiping dust?

[Ptah]

Greetings, Sasha!
Yes, my warrior is worn out. To him would still have a "little piece" of some kind, such as a BOD, and a bunk in the cockpit, and I’m driving it to Abramovich, even to Polonsky.
A couple of guys from the GRU, so that they guard the guard while I pack these in Chumadan. But I’m only afraid that their wallets will not be accepted into their luggage (in size), and without those wallets they couldn’t get into trouble in Russia and tries.

I always said that it was not against war, but against civilian revolution and rebellion. Especially against the overthrow of power during the war. This cannot be done, and in order to not have to, it is necessary to clearly explain that such an option is POSSIBLE (but undesirable).
And why do you think that you and I will definitely unite with the vekselbergs and other officials. I would not mind blowing up not a gas pumping station or a water distribution point, but, for example, the house of gene. directors of those companies. Of course, with the preliminary removal of households and other living creatures away. For a better understanding of the "aspirations of the people", i.e.

Shl. Okay, Sanya, while there is no time ... And in vain you didn’t "beat up a denyushka" for a trip to Sochi, for example, I just wanted to grab tickets for hockey next Saturday. Where there ... Russia-USA - everything was bought back when they didn’t hear about the Olympics ...
But I bought 4 tickets for the men's ski relay. But this afternoon, now I’m thinking, where else would I rush that evening ...
I don’t know how with the tickets. A family in Germashka can buy without problems in a week and arrive on time, but in Russia everything is not clear. Sites hang ...

[andrei332809]

Quote: Ptah

But sometimes I feel like it

Do the Russians want war
You ask "Silence",
Over the breadth of arable lands and "Fields",
And at "Birches" and "Poplar",
Ask the soldiers again
What a scapula "Option",
What a "shoe" on your feet,
How "Goat" catches up with fear.
What does "Fly" and "Tulip" smell like,
And what is our "Glass" filled with,
In what places is our "Whirlwind" and "Shaft"
What "Skit" rules the "Ball",
What a "phantasmagoria"
"Bassoon" plays and "Oboe".
What our "Courier" delivers,
And where is the "Barrier"
Ask "Metis" with "Mulatto" how
We got to the Russian "Zoo"
What is connected with "Buratino" "Bumblebee",
And what will "Svirel" save from
Like from "Peonies" and "Carnations"
Our flower garden is fragrant.
What "Cacti" grow,
What "Cornflowers" are blooming.
What is the "Acacia" in the forest,
And what will "Woodpeckers" bring to you.
What "Flame" at the "Fire"
As "Cranberry" is Russian red,
Do Russians want problems?
You ask "Chrysanthemums"
At the "Forget-me-nots" and "Showcases"
Ask, do Russians need peace?
And "Bearded Man" will answer you
And, along with him "Vampire" and "Rook",
"Foundling", "Marya" and "Ivan",
"Hairpin", "Goblin", "Guardian",
And "Chipmunk" and "Cypress",
And "Canary" and "Narcissus"
And "Virgin" and "Hyacinth"
And "Mummy" and "Gnome" and "Screw",
And "Chernomorets" and "Volna"
"Raccoon", "Squid" and "Flounder"
And even "Amethyst" and "Tick"
A simple thing will be explained to you.
And you will understand my thought
The war is us, the Russians, by * uyu.

[Fox]

read ... freaky.thinked.this year I'm going to put a WOOD-Fired stove.there is gas heating, but "social norms" will be introduced on it ... power limiters have already been attached to the poles. the future. yes, I have already prepared firewood. I have prepared for the state's surprises. (I also filled ammunition for the saiga).

[shurup]

I have wood and without gas.
So they came from the side of the forest, prohibiting self-harvesting and forcing them to buy only from them. WTO recommendations do not sleep.

[Name]

From the head of government:"... Dmitry Medvedev gave instructions Ministry of Construction, Ministry of Energy, Ministry of Economic Development, Ministry of Finance of Russia, Ministry of Labor, Federal Tariff Service and Ministry of Justice taking into account the discussion, to finalize the draft resolution of the government of the Russian Federation "On Amendments to Certain Acts of the Government of the Russian Federation on the Establishment and Application of the Social Norm of Electricity Consumption" and submit it to the government of the Russian Federation in order to submit it for signature to the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation no later than February 16, 2014 "..." , - so recalculation is one more ahead ... (hurried on the ground, as always)
see http://www.mn.ru/politics_gov/20140206/369326592.html

[Mart]

Quote: name

From the head of government: "... Dmitry Medvedev instructed the Ministry of Construction, the Ministry of Energy, the Ministry of Economic Development, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Labor, the Federal Tariff Service and the Ministry of Justice. electricity consumption "and submit to the Russian government in order to be submitted for signature to the Russian government chairman no later than February 16, 2014" ... "- so there is one more recalculation to come ... (hurried on the ground, as always) feel
see http://www.mn.ru/politics_gov/20140206/369326592.html

So this is what is called a dream in your hand ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Fox

read ... freaky.thinked.this year I'm going to put a WOOD-Fired stove.there is gas heating, but "social norms" will be introduced on it ... power limiters have already been attached to the poles. the future. yes, I have already prepared firewood. I have prepared for the state's surprises. (I also filled ammunition for the saiga).

Optimism among the people of Russia is inexhaustible ..!
ammunition for saiga is also full This business must always be kept in order! Hope for the power, but it’s not bad ....))) Oh guys how much silushka is in us not spent and accumulated anger ..! Mother Russia is alive ..

[SRC P-15]

Your life is good, dear Mart! And you have firewood and gas, and this is in Siberia. And what about the poor villagers, for example, in the Tver region (where I come from), or in the Moscow region (where I now live). Neither there, there is no gas in the houses, they are heated with wood and briquettes. To bring 380 volts into the house, this is a whole problem, you need to unfasten a lot of money. And besides, in new buildings, for example, they put power limiters on the poles - you cannot connect more than the permitted one. This is me about the Moscow region. much worse, most of the gas is only in cylinders, heated with wood, and to heat it with electricity - if only to steal kilowatts, otherwise there will not be enough money. Salaries there (in the villages), this is generally a separate story. Pensioners there are considered "rich", there is almost no work, people survive, not live. If you tell them now how much you pay for electricity, they are unlikely to believe. Such spending on electricity, only a poor person can afford. And in our country, the majority live in poverty and they are unlikely to understand your problems. As they say: to whom the pearls are shallow, and to whom ...!

[Mart]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

You live well, dear Mart! And you have firewood and gas, and it is in Siberia.

Far from everywhere in Siberia there is gas in the villages.

Quote: СРЦ П-15

To spend 380 volts in a house is a whole problem; you need to detach a lot of money.

In Siberia, not without it.

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Pensioners there are considered "rich", there is almost no work, people survive, not live.

Here (in Siberia and the Urals), many live by the fact that from the villages they go to work in the cities. From the suburbs go to Moscow. I know, more than once visited in the suburbs. This is a nightmare, not a life. I know.

Quote: СРЦ П-15

how much do you pay for the light

Now I am paying a few hundred rubles. Now I live in another village, and I have gas, but I have to pay several thousand rubles for gas in the winter.
I also want to add that the Tyumen region is a donor region. That is, far from the poorest people in Russia live here.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Mart

Now I live in another village, and I have gas, but I have to pay several thousand rubles for gas in winter.

So what year are we going to spend gas, but if its price is higher than I press on the electric stove, what is the reason for it? I now live in an apartment building without gas, I pay about a thousand per month for electricity. Apparently with gas I will pay even more. And in order to bring gas to our home, we will get about 200 thousand. Only for the gas pipeline project, a friend paid 25 thousand. This is our concern for the people. And the local princes and workers from Gazprom, or whatever they are, profit from it. And the president said that the supply of gas to a private house should not be more than 30-35 thousand. Who is to blame?

[BARKAS]

Quote: Mart

I also want to add that the Tyumen region is a donor region. That is, far from the poorest people in Russia live here.

Yes, I live in the Kurgan region. on the border with Tyumen’s often there is a significant difference, it’s immediately visible when you cross the administrative border, we have really spent the gas, but I won’t connect yet if I turn on the infrared ceiling heaters very cold, their efficiency is still higher than for example an electric boiler.

[Mart]

Quote: BARKAS

Yes, I live in the Kurgan region. on the border with Tyumen, there is often a significant difference there; this can be seen immediately as you cross the administrative border

Exactly. The difference is very noticeable even when comparing prices for real estate and land.

Quote: BARKAS

Infrared ceiling heaters have the efficiency of them is still higher than for example at the electric boiler.

And this is true.

[Ptah]

Quote: Mart

Far from everywhere in Siberia there is gas in the villages.

Ahhhhhhhh ....
And this is not laughter .... Anything. Perplexity, anger, fear, if you want, but not laughter ....
I myself have never liked big cities, I was “just passing through” them and temporarily, but I was born in a small town, grew up, lived (even over the hill) and now I'm going to live only in such cities, only in Russia.
And people living in villages and towns aroused a sense of respect and ..... misunderstanding. How so - in such conditions ...

Now I don't want to find fault with the Olympics. I myself have stood a couple of times on the podium in Europe and endlessly at "smaller" competitions, and I understand what the popularization of sports is. All the need for sports. All the obligatory mass character of sports. But looking at the torch in Sochi - completely different thoughts come.

Far from everywhere there is gas in the villages.

But please, comrades, do not tell me now about the difficulties with the transportation of this gas, about the problems associated with its liquefaction and accumulation.
They say that in Russia they also drove a flea, and flew into Space more than once, and an excavator could drive around the size of a small village, and we can’t do anything with gas, therefore, such torches everywhere. And not for two weeks, but for many decades, all year round, around the clock ..........
...............

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Ptah

, and we can’t do anything with gas, therefore, such torches everywhere. And not for two weeks, but for many decades, all year round, around the clock ..........

In the pictures, associated gas is apparently burned during oil production. But all the same, with the correct formulation of the question, this gas could be sent to settlements. Unfortunately, our "subsoil developers" do not need this, they pah and grind on the people. The main thing for them is profit and profit now and as much as possible. Of course, we have long distances in our country and we need to lay a very large and extensive gas pipeline network. In the USSR, they could not do this, let alone the time of "wild capitalism." But still, I am ashamed of my country.

[parus2nik]

Life is getting better, life is getting more fun .. and what is surprising .. the government somehow does not strive to make electricity cheaper in Russia for citizens .. But .. we sell electricity abroad at bargain prices ..

[AVV]

Quote: parus2nik

Life is getting better, life is getting more fun .. and what is surprising .. the government somehow does not strive to make electricity cheaper in Russia for citizens .. But .. we sell electricity abroad at bargain prices ..

It's time to switch to home gas mini power plants, like in Germany, if the apartment is hanging like a column gas is connected to it. When installing such a station, dozens of intermediaries and the entire bureaucratic apparatus and the sea of ​​office workers are excluded !!! Electricity becomes much cheaper, it's even despite the fact that the price of gas will increase !!! And even if you repair the equipment and service at your own expense !!!

[marshes]

I don’t know, maybe my advice will not seem appropriate. I live in a private house, the floor of the house is an old building, I noticed that a lot of heat goes through the ceiling. in the rooms it became much warmer. With the floors, I also covered slag with clay, partially waterproofed it with clay, then slag with crushed stone, and a concrete screed on top.
Now I have to install the taps to regulate the temperature in the batteries of these rooms, too hot, each 20 sq. M.
I wish good luck to the AUTHOR in the struggle for every calorie.
P / S. It is also not profitable for us to heat with electricity, even with two tariff meters.
Prior to this, kerosene + diesel fuel + heating oil, coal, electricity, oil was drowned. Now it’s better to eat gas but I don’t forget about coal.

[Mart]

Quote: marshes

I don’t know, maybe my advice will not seem appropriate. I live in a private house, the floor of the house is an old building, I noticed that a lot of heat goes through the ceiling. in the rooms it became much warmer. With the floors, I also covered slag with clay, partially waterproofed it with clay, then slag with crushed stone, and a concrete screed on top.
Now I have to install the taps to regulate the temperature in the batteries of these rooms, too hot, each 20 sq. M.

Yes, you, my dear, live in a bath.

[marshes]

Quote: Mart

Yes, my friend, you live in a bathhouse

Thank you, I am thermophilic, in rooms below 24 degrees it does not fall somewhere higher, small children and old people who are drowsy live for three generations.
I will also add walls from the outside with foam plastic, and you can insulate it and up the money, plaster, siding, decorative brick, etc., etc.
I skipped glass wool mats under the drywall. I realized that it would take less to warm up than later I would spend on heating.
It’s good if you can borrow a thermal imager on loan, everything will be visible. I invited a friend of the Ministry of Emergencies to visit ...

[Mart]

Quote: marshes

I will also add walls from the outside with foam plastic, and you can insulate it and up the money, plaster, siding, decorative brick, etc., etc.

Yes, it is clear. I have, willy-nilly, become a great specialist in mineral wool, foam plastic and other things. Good luck to you!

[Simple]

Good morning.
(Or rather, you already have a day)

With the camera it was necessary to go out of the gate, and not with a shovel.

Ordinary, ordinary, and art is power- otherwise why do we live?
This photo is missing.

My first words after reading the article: "Wife, it's already dawn, turn off the light!"
(unintentionally escaped)

But since

A silent wife is as rare in nature as an honest taxpayer.

, then I had to myself ...
And so, thanks for the good mood, although the reason for writing was apparently not very predisposing to it.

[andrei332809]

Quote: Simple

"Wife, it's already dawn, turn off the light!"

"old woman, close the door."?

[Simple]

Quote: andrei332809

"old woman, close the door."?

Appreciated the humor.

Although such a hand would not rise, the wife after all.

In general, in the Caucasus they say: if you want to turn to a woman who is old enough to be a grandmother, then say: "mother."

[andrei332809]

Quote: Simple

Appreciated the humor

And this is the main point

[Mart]

Quote: Simple

Thanks for the good mood, although the reason for writing was apparently not very predisposing to it.

I always try to see the funny. Unfortunately, I often see a reason for satire, rather than for humor.

[Black]

Casting snow left and right, blowing steam in the frost and fully realizing that man created labor ....
Homo-economical will create No. 261-FZ !!!

[Aleks tv]

Oleg:


I, too, in the morning ahem ... I play with "snowballs".
I like this thing, but for some reason, by the spring, it’s a little annoying. I do not know why.


And the preparation of firewood is a whole event ... We together with the uncle are harvesting into two families - he will split two pieces of wood with a cleaver, I am resting. Then I’ll split two little girls, he is resting. It’s possible to stab with such a rhythm for a long time ...


Oleg, just a wonderful feuilleton !!!
Very bright story, write, please continue.
And I almost believed about electricity and deputies ...


Golden pen for the permanent Mosaics and the new heading Feuilleton:

[Mart]

Quote: Aleks tv

Oleg, just a wonderful feuilleton !!!

Thank you!

Quote: Aleks tv

Very bright story, write, please continue.

Without stops.

Quote: Aleks tv

And I almost believed about electricity and deputies ...

That's the whole trick.

Quote: Aleks tv

Golden pen for permanent Mosaics and a new rubric Feuilleton:

So I waited for the prize spectator reader sympathies. Hooray!!!

[Ptah]

Quote: Mart

So I waited for the audience’s readership prize. Hooray!!!

Oleg. Diamond lead is fopping.
With your almost pastoral landscapes, the Golden Goose Feather is better for you (you can put an avatar). There it’s kind of like birch bark ...
Feather and arrow - one of the symbols of satire ...

1

And do you want me, as a gift, I will replace, on your marvelous headdress, sticking out hairs on an earthing field or a verdant meadow?

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That you have a love for nature is noticeable on blogs and web pages ...
With respect. Vadim.

[Mart]

Quote: Ptah

And do you want me, as a gift, I will replace, on your marvelous headdress, sticking out hairs on an earthing field or a verdant meadow?

This is please.

Quote: Ptah

That you have a love for nature is noticeable on blogs and web pages ...

Thank you very much for your attention, Vadim! Not all go beyond the site.

[Ross]

Quote: The same Lech

Sympathy Dear, such surprises from our government, coupled with the deputies, will come to us more than once, AND THE MORE THAN THEY WILL TURN NUTS THAN LESS THERE ARE CHANCE TO win the next election in power.

I hope the whole liberal front, led by Aifonchik, will come out completely from the people, these are no longer passable political corpses in the elections. And where does Medvedev's rating come from 33%? The accountants in the studio!

[cosmos111]

Quote: Ross

I hope the whole liberal front, led by iPhone, will come full out of the people,

((((iPhonephone, it's just a pawn ==== ass-talker ((((ordered from the top of the GDP, he fulfilled it.
All questions on the topic, to the main one who decides everything ((((other performers.

WINNY he's good ((((in the head and sawdust ((((

[Makarov]

Class .. Thank you for the good mood in the morning!)

[AK-47]

Quote: Makarov

Class ..

No words.

The brain said something else, but I did not hear it.

[Al_lexx]

Thanks for the post. The author has a clear literary talent. I read it with pleasure and interest.

If on the topic, then I would like to smile if it were not so sad. I live in Moscow and it seems that all this should not concern me, but it does. The fact is that my apartment is not entirely residential. The house was built in the 30s and not simple. Until the age of 91, the premises in which I live were considered official. There is only one battery for my whole tiny apartment, and that one barely warms up. Those. if the temperature outside drops below -12-15g, then it becomes a little chilly. To put a normal oil radiator, it is corny, there is no place (total area 20 sq. M, room 9). We have to be content with a small, hair dryer. But even if we omit the winter situation, then I still can't meet the social norm, since the computer works almost 24/7 (specifics of work) + a washing machine with a dryer, and a Saratov refrigerator, albeit small, but not the most economical, and the other, again, by no means stands up ... By a conservative estimate, I can get from two to three times overruns (standards have not yet been lowered to Moscow).
In general, when I learned about the release of such a law, I was very sad.

[igorra]

Everyone reads with interest and pleasure, and everyone reads the government. Dear where do you live? Believe not know who. For reference: a good stove keeps heat for at least 8-10 hours, and if a simple pipe register with 2 kW ten is attached to it, then the heat in the house is provided. True, if the house is insulated and prepared for winter. Otherwise they hung up their ears and fell for the snow and a shovel. Looks like the "owner" whistles from all corners and cracks and it is easier for him to blame the government and pay money than to take on the insulation of the house.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: igorra

And then they hung up their ears and fell for the snow and a shovel. Looks like the "owner" whistles from all corners and cracks and it is easier for him to blame the government and pay money than to take on the insulation of the house.

Rude like no one ordered ...

.................................

Igor, what’s so gloomy with the mood?
Problems understanding humor?

"From the heart and kidneys
I give you a flower ... "ugh, damn it - a cleaver ... though narrow, but with a good handle.
That smile, and everything will pass ...

[cosmos111]

Quote: Aleks tv

That smile, and everything will pass ...

And here >>>>> full of firewood
The woman and the ax ===== schismatics >>>>>

[Consmo]

I agree. I lived like that at a grandmother in the Kirov region. The house is not big, there is one big room with a stove and around for cattle there is a room and household, it’s certainly not hot there. the toilet in the annex also does not freeze. But when I lived in the mid-80s, frosts stood at 42-43 degrees.
So Granny drowned the stove once every 1-3 days.
On the first day, of course, Tashkent was hot in shorts.
Che somewhere, the author drives.

[Gomunkul]

After reading the feuilleton, I remembered a song from the 90s, it is relevant in my opinion to this day.

Music: A. Garnizov
Words: I. Reznik

Yoksel-Moksel honest mother,
What a life? What the heck?
Homeland again,
Kukish with butter brought!
From decree to order
My wife bakes pancakes,
I say: "Do not cry Infection"
If only there was no war!

Chorus:
Balalay-balalay-balalaika mine
Balalay-balalay-balalaika mine
(2 times):
Bala bala bala bala balalaika
Bala bala bala bala balalaika
Balalaika

The clerk read me a newspaper
Progressive tax in it,
Know through the newspaper this
We all go without desks.
Europe gives us an example,
How her sons live
And we walk naked ...
If only there was no war!

Chorus:
Balalay-balalay-balalaika mine
Balalay-balalay-balalaika mine
(2 times):
Bala bala bala bala balalaika
Bala bala bala bala balalaika
Balalaika

Yoksel-Moksel mother edrena,
Let's drink something, men?
'Cause a man without moonshine
Like a footless bast!
I am the last shirt
I'll give you for half the price
Yes, and it all went ..... Yes
If only there was no war!

[Des10]

Three-room socket, three in the family - it was 4,5-5 became 9t.r. Ural. Okay, I’ll stretch it out, but the janitor is higher with three blockheads and a disabled grandfather? Marasmus.
That's where they guessed for the Olympics.
And from the excesses of the house there is only a computer - in the evening it is constantly on.
I still did not really understand fat, disgusting - but I have to.
And what about Maidan?

[Severok]

Until the people start to drive the "owners from privatization" from enterprises to three necks and take them into their own hands, we will puff and dream of a pitchfork in our hand.

[Letterksi]

... the farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans

[aviamed90]

Feuilleton is excellent - no doubt!
Read with pleasure!

But in terms of the plot: against the background of the "Luchin tariff" described in paints (it is not clear where to put the stress in the second word, given the consonance with the surname of our president) it is hard to believe in the promised "happy ending".

It is encouraging that this is just the 1-th part, and the author promises the 2-th ...

Look forward to!

And we hope for a "happy ending"!

[pensioner]

The country in which people like Oleg Chuvakin live is invincible.

[homosum20]

".. Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev expressed himself very clearly:" This country must comply with the WTO requirements, and the citizens of this country must learn to save money. "
But is an iPhone not a part of this country, not a citizen? Or has he already learned to save? (Judging by what car he came to raise fines - I doubt something)
Rather, the first.

[ilea123456]

Thank you!
We look forward to continuing. Velmo is an interesting story.

[Consmo]

Che in this soup is not it.
Somehow they connected equipment. I work with the installation of computers and all the garbage associated with them. Itself subwoofer with electricity overlap. 40 liter titanium in a school café, ate 4 kW. But it doesn’t work all the time, the heating equipment works according to the sensor’s indication. It went down less than 60 degrees, went up to 80 turned off. in the battery.
And what do you have that 6000 kWh is eating. Greenhouses with a hectare?
Example I am in Moscow 3 rooms under 60 meters, total. We fire about 160 kW per month, in winter. This is without heating. But the computer is powerful. plows almost without a break. And all the pleasures.
Feel the difference of 160 kW. per month (4.50 rubles each) and 6000 kW. in hour.
We figured before a new one we set a meter with 3 tariff options. It costs 3600 rubles. Now the first results are saving somewhere around 200 rubles a month. So in 1.5 years it will pay off approximately.
In short, something you father seems to heat the street.
By the way, I’m against this Chubais fraternity no worse than you.
In Moscow, the cost of energy is greater than in Berlin.
I think that it is necessary to combine, again, companies to create 3-4 global.
Otherwise, they are not what the Hydroelectric Power Station, the chicken coop will not be built and will be from ... with an increase in tariffs.
My brother came from abroad on vacation. They say they have the same parsley.
All howl, let's save electricity. The population harnesses. And then opa. Compasses did not get
arrived, did not pay taxes to the state. The poor will die tomorrow. And the tariffs will jump up. We will have the same.
And with numbers you went over 4500 kilowatts per month, you joked.

[wax]

Feuilleton is good, but you can put your own numbers.

[KABAN009]

I will buy 7,62 caliber cartridges for the Mosin rifle, write in hp

[Megatron]

So I do not understand, will this law be introduced? Or have you already entered?

[walter_rus]

With the start of the Olympics in Adler, the lights are turned off every day (it used to be, but now only turn on for several hours), apparently the power system cannot provide Olympic facilities. So my friends who live there even had to leave before the end of the Olympics.

[victorTT]

I live in the city of Nadym, Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Tyumen Oblast. 2 room apartment three together with mom and dad. For a month we’ll wind up only 100-150 kW, because we don’t use household appliances such as microwave kettles, etc. I am for the introduction of social norms in the amount of 70 or a little more kW per person. Because we are investing in this norm. Dad and mom are old people and they save everything. Frosts were all January -35-49 but mostly -40 there was a frost. The apartment was warm. But he wore woolen socks - the floor is cold. And so 17-18 degrees was a meter from the floor. And to be heated by electricity was always very expensive even in Soviet times. In the USSR, 1 kW * h cost 4 kopecks. For a salary of 120 rubles, it was possible to pay an account of 3000 kW * h. And now 3000kW * h at the norm, in our Nadym, 2,07 rubles will come out 3000 * 2,07 = 6207 rubles. And taking into account the fact that we have a 2 tariff counter and even less.

I advise the comrade who wrote the topic to contact the social protection authorities. If the income per family is low, then the state will compensate for the costs of communal services, including electricity. It’s just that you will need to collect pieces of paper and waste time on subsidies. And so if this is not an option, then just firewood yourself and not buy it - we have a lot of burners here in Nadym and in general throw out wooden pallets and other wood - it needs to be collected in the summer and not in the winter to think how to drown. So there are ways out and paying 22 thousand for electricity is certainly not the case. In Tyumen there is such a thing - briquettes. The briquette boiler - pressed sawdust says that it gives a lot of heat and is cheap. I don’t know, but they say so. Either move there where there is gas or collect signatures of residents for gasification and take the signatures - 1) Obl. Administration 2) District Administration 3) Gazprom Representative in Tyumen. But you will enter the plan only the next year for gasification if you submit signatures in this. So there are no hopeless situations. There is always a way. In addition, I advise you to change the windows to plastic and to check the roof so that the heat does not go through the roof to the street through holes, otherwise you will never heat up. That is to say, that's all.