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Government thoughts on the development of the Far East

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In the 2014 year, 110 performs years from a point that can no doubt be called a landmark in stories our country. In 1904, a direct rail track was opened between the then capital (St. Petersburg) and Vladivostok due to the appearance of the Circum-Baikal Railway. This event was one of the stages of commissioning of the Trans-Siberian Railway, which actually brought the Far East closer to Central Russia, fulfilling the role of a kind of consolidator of the Russian lands from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean. It is difficult to overestimate the role of the connection of parts of Russia as remote from each other as the Far Eastern Region and Center, as it is difficult to overestimate the benefits of the Transsib contribution both to the economic development of the state and to its security.


However, after so many years, Russia comes to the conclusion that for the full use of the potential of the Far East, there is only one railway, even the longest in the world. In addition, as is known, the resources of the Trans-Siberian Railway have already ceased to meet the requirements of the modern economy. The frank weak development of the Far Eastern infrastructure, the lack of transport routes, the huge prices for air tickets lead today to a decrease in the population of the Far Eastern Federal District. Statistical agencies, both in the Far Eastern Federal District and, so to say, of central subordination continue to publish disappointing figures on Far Eastern demography. In 2013 alone, the population in the Far East declined in 9-ti (from 10-ti) subjects of the region (only in the Chukotka Autonomous Region the figure was almost unchanged - about 50,8 thousand people). The largest decline in population was observed in the Amur Region - approximately 13 thousand people (with a population of 812 thousand inhabitants).

The average population density in the Far Eastern Federal District has reached its lowest level in the last three decades. Today, demographic density indicators are 1,01 people per square kilometer. (more than a third of Russian territory has less than 6,25 million people). Population growth has been recorded in large cities of the region (Vladivostok, Khabarovsk, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, Yakutsk), however, regional demography specialists associate the reason for this growth mainly with local migration - when people often refuse to live in small towns and rural areas for that reason. the simple reason that it is extremely difficult to find work in them not only with decent wages, but also work in general.

If this situation is observed further, then, according to the estimates of the same Far Eastern demographers, the population in the district after 5-7 years may be below the “psychological” mark in 6 million people. For obvious reasons, such a number clearly does not match with plans for a substantial development of the region, which means that measures should be taken, as they say, “yesterday”.

The Government of Russia, as one of the measures to attract the economically active population to the Far East and, accordingly, the development of the region, proposes to transfer a number of state corporations to the FEFD. A few days ago, Dmitry Medvedev took the initiative. At the same time, Medvedev noted that in terms of competitiveness with the countries of East Asia, our Far East lags behind tremendously. That, as they say, everyone understood perfectly well before Medvedev's speech ...

The proposal of the head of government is as follows: to develop a competitive base in the region, to attract investment, increase the number of jobs in the Far East, it is necessary to transfer some state corporations together with offices and a taxable base.

Government thoughts on the development of the Far East


At the same time, Dmitry Medvedev did not tell which state corporations could set out to "conquer" the Far East, but noted that it was necessary to consider the issue of preferential taxation. Apparently, the government is not going to, as they say, give the central office for relocation to specific companies, but is going to attract them with carrot in the form of tax benefits. According to Medvedev, tax benefits may be as follows: 7% is a payroll tax, 10% is a tax on profits.

The idea is certainly sound, but, as you know, from the idea to its full implementation, we sometimes have an insurmountable gulf - especially when it comes to government initiative ... Government initiatives may well remain nothing more than initiatives, which in a couple of times months, many simply forget. Will they forget this time?

In principle, if the proposal of Dmitry Medvedev will be implemented, then it can be a kind of test "for lice" for representatives of the very state corporations. If for them the possibility of saving in terms of tax preferences has weight, it means that companies conduct a fairly transparent business. If a hypothetical opportunity to save on taxes "does not warm" such companies, then this may mean, among other things, that they do not perceive such a concept as "tax benefits" initially, since the state budget will still provide them with the necessary financial injections and, with the payment of taxes, it is possible to carry out a “flexible policy” at all if there are lawyers who know the holes in our legislation. However, even with the possible relocation of large companies may manifest its own nuances.

To understand how effective the initiative of Prime Minister Medvedev can make in the Far East, it is worth considering a current example of the “transfer” of employees dismissed from AvtoVAZ to the FEFD. Literally at the end of January, the Ministry of Development of the Far East appealed to the authorities of the Samara region to “explore” the employment opportunities of the “released” (this is a quotation from the ministry’s address) at the Far Eastern enterprises. If we talk about the employees whom AvtoVAZ decided to “release” (what a word!) Before the end of 2014, it is more than 7 thousand people due to the reduction in sales of manufactured products by 12%. One of those enterprises where it was planned to “transfer the released ones”, according to some information, should have become a very successful enterprise “Sollers - Far East”. The company is engaged in assembling cars UAZ, ISUZU, SsangYong.

However, it turned out that, to put it mildly, the Far Eastern enterprise is not eager to receive workers who have been released from AvtoVAZ. The Sollers press service noted that so far there are no vacancies at the enterprise, and that they “may appear”, but not in the near future and obviously not in a large-scale version.

That is, the ministerial initiative literally rested in the interests of a private trader, and, as they say, try to promote ... Naturally, the situation could be much more blissful if it were about large state corporations moved to the Far East. For obvious reasons, their leadership could be more accommodating. But the point is not only in compliance, but also in the elementary laws of the market. If the products in the region (in the countries adjacent to the region) are not in active demand, will there be a benefit from the company's "relocation"? Hardly.

This means that before you “move” someone somewhere, you need to take a closer look at studying the market, studying the demand for certain products, and studying the factors of unemployment in various locations to investment projects. Otherwise, the relocation of state corporations will turn into another blow to the budget, on which a narrow circle of people will benefit, who have nothing to do with the aspirations of Far Easterners ...
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  1. kaktus
    kaktus 11 February 2014 07: 12
    +22
    The capital must be "transferred" there! yes
    1. Horde
      Horde 11 February 2014 07: 23
      +16
      Zhydof all from Moscow to Birobidzhan throw ... laughing
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 11 February 2014 08: 11
        +19
        As always, the Horde is the coolest of all (and to the point)))
        Dima Mendel Something "dreamed" at the opening of the Olympics and away we go ......

        Let me remind the respected comrade of the government program "On the creation of the State Corporation for the development of the STATES of Siberia and the Far East" - this is how it sounds in the original) (translated) from English))))

        Let me remind you that the President signed the Law on the “relocation” of our money to the United States (on the creation of a reserve fund))) where the countries were listed by the “GUSK” President in Latin, and not as usual with Russians, in Cyrillic))))) Remember , even Kudrin was then recognized as the "brilliant" Minister of Finance))

        I always flinch from the initiatives of IUD (rulers)) ...

        One would like to say - HANDS OFF from Siberia and the Far East !!!!!
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 10: 43
          +10
          However, it turned out that the Far Eastern enterprise, to put it mildly, does not burn with a desire to accept workers “freed” from AvtoVAZ
          It is not strange, but happy. I can’t imagine the situation when one family member fired from a VAZ goes to work in the Far East, leaving his family in Togliatti. By the way, about 1000 vacancies were offered to those being cut back from VAZ in Chechnya. Bastards. am
          P.S. The number of reductions at the VAZ in 2014 increased from 7000 to 10000 people.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 10: 50
            +7
            due to a decrease in sales of manufactured products by 12%.
            It's not even scum, T.V.A.R.I. There is steady demand for Kalina, and she is being replaced by Almera. There are a lot of cars in the parking lots, but there is no 2014 TCP. The State Sign did not deliver on time. Who is the State Sign? And then we complain about a drop in demand. They are destroying the plant; competitors to Western corporations are not needed.
            1. Zenit is a champion
              Zenit is a champion 11 February 2014 17: 08
              -9
              Goznak)
              What is viburnum ?? who will ride on this hymn? humble yourself, AvtoVAZ - a hole in the budget, no matter how much the state will not support it - there's no sense. In Russia, cars weren’t able to do, even in the USSR it was a little tough with this, but now in general
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 18: 14
                +7
                Quote: Zenith Champion
                What is viburnum ?? who will ride on this hymn? humble yourself
                Nobody argues that Mercedes is better. Examine the demand, and then remember about guamno. Value for money does not tell you anything? fool
              2. bistrov.
                bistrov. 12 February 2014 11: 57
                +1
                Quote: Zenith Champion
                who will ride on this hymn?

                Can't you get a Lamborghini? And how much does it cost, you were not interested?
      2. DimychDV
        DimychDV 12 February 2014 09: 51
        +1
        Believe me, they would not have been abandoned in Birobidzhan. I saw the exhibition from there - in the Jewish Autonomous Region in the post-war years, there was generally a flourishing of eminent names and an increase in labor productivity. We and Caucasians are glad - as in "Night Watch" (in "Games of Thrones") - glad to any sword. We have a much higher international consciousness here. We do not crush the highlanders in the markets: we understand that we ourselves will not go in their place - "to trade with fruits". Those of them who are more conscientious also go to the sea, and if you are a sailor, the boatswain will find justice for you, no one will do your work for you.
        1. Don
          Don 17 February 2014 18: 01
          0
          Quote: DimychDV
          Believe me, they would not have been abandoned in Birobidzhan. I saw the exhibition from there - in the Jewish Autonomous Region in the post-war years, there was generally a flourishing of eminent names and an increase in labor productivity. We and Caucasians are glad - as in "Night Watch" (in "Games of Thrones") - glad to any sword. We have a much higher international consciousness here. We do not crush the highlanders in the markets: we understand that we ourselves will not go in their place - "to trade with fruits". Those of them who are more conscientious also go to the sea, and if you are a sailor, the boatswain will find justice for you, no one will do your work for you.

          The main thing, that would not be like in the Game of Thrones, bandits were sent to the Night Watch. In general, of course, the peoples of the Caucasus would be better off moving more actively there, and not to central Russia. It was also possible for residents of the Balkans to provide preferential conditions. There is unemployment in Bosnia and Herzegovina from 25% to 44%, I think there are many who want to, and indeed in Serbia.
        2. Don
          Don 17 February 2014 18: 01
          0
          Quote: DimychDV
          Believe me, they would not have been abandoned in Birobidzhan. I saw the exhibition from there - in the Jewish Autonomous Region in the post-war years, there was generally a flourishing of eminent names and an increase in labor productivity. We and Caucasians are glad - as in "Night Watch" (in "Games of Thrones") - glad to any sword. We have a much higher international consciousness here. We do not crush the highlanders in the markets: we understand that we ourselves will not go in their place - "to trade with fruits". Those of them who are more conscientious also go to the sea, and if you are a sailor, the boatswain will find justice for you, no one will do your work for you.

          The main thing, that would not be like in the Game of Thrones, bandits were sent to the Night Watch. In general, of course, the peoples of the Caucasus would be better off moving more actively there, and not to central Russia. It was also possible for residents of the Balkans to provide preferential conditions. There is unemployment in Bosnia and Herzegovina from 25% to 44%, I think there are many who want to, and indeed in Serbia.
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    3. invisibility
      invisibility 11 February 2014 08: 05
      +6
      For what? What is the purpose of this transfer? And what's next? Where to transfer? So let's make it nomadic. Get the "Golden Horde", literally.
      It is not necessary to wait for "Inonyh" investments, but to invest in enterprises, restore old ones, create new ones. Have you seen abandoned military camps? Here's what you need to transfer ...
      How can I get there ... she said, historically it’s not fair that Russia owns such wealth? This is for the government, it should be a call to action ...
    4. Civil
      Civil 11 February 2014 09: 59
      0
      Set clear conditions and post on the internet
    5. avt
      avt 11 February 2014 10: 35
      +12
      Quote: kaktus
      The capital must be "transferred" there
      Yes, even if you make a nomadic version on wheels or tracks, it won't help. Gazprom was transferred to St. Petersburg, so what? 7 So what did Meadow and Resin frolic for in construction, what kind of personnel they brought up in SU-155 - Vasilyeva, Smetanova, however, compared with the St. Petersburg district , the construction of a stadium and the installation of pipes for a gas pipeline in the heating main - childish pranks. Here and in the article - it seems correct, but again - "So, before someone" throw "somewhere, you need to carefully study the market, study demand for certain products, to study the factors of unemployment in certain settlements for investment projects. "Again, prayer" to the All-Regulatory Market and "Holy Investments". Yes, according to such criteria, the sectarians of the Gaidarovs' Witnesses have been working there for a long time! Yes, and under Aiphon Tvittorovich Vsekhmedvedey they are going to implement the development program again. negativeFor me, evict like that - in Moscow it’s really not possible to breathe out from the walkers of the cheeks in the offices - they inflated the city to disgrace. Maybe Sechin will really do something there, take the hell out of him from the plate of money — a specific comrade is clean. laughing Not Ishaev. And the program should be specific, state. "Market" - only the loot will be sawed.
    6. Very old
      Very old 11 February 2014 10: 38
      +14
      From the capital, they still cannot "transfer" former deputies who have long lost their mandates, but who have clutched their teeth into someone else's housing - and where is the formidable Sobyanin?
      "servants of the people" in privileges forever?

      Stolypin gave the settlers (he offered people, and did not "release" them) land and lifting (frail, but gave)

      For seven miles of jelly choke ... Dimkin program
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 10: 53
        +3
        Quote: Very old
        Dimkina program

        Good morning, Valentine. hi Dima then walks under Vovka.
      2. aleks
        aleks 11 February 2014 13: 46
        +6
        You cheated on the cheeks with the advice of the Stolypin times — look at how migrants were attracted in Soviet times — free moving / with luggage / –guaranteed housing — work. Production was opened, not closed, as it is now. Also in the countryside. The fishing industry and shipbuilding were ruined. and ship repair, agriculture collapsed. Give real benefits to the restored enterprises and preferences for immigrants.
      3. AVV
        AVV 11 February 2014 20: 50
        +2
        Quote: Old very
        From the capital, they still cannot "transfer" former deputies who have long lost their mandates, but who have clutched their teeth into someone else's housing - and where is the formidable Sobyanin?
        "servants of the people" in privileges forever?

        Stolypin gave the settlers (he offered people, and did not "release" them) land and lifting (frail, but gave)

        For seven miles of jelly choke ... Dimkin program

        Yes, and people in a clean field, to settle in tents ??? There was only a flood, everyone has not been provided with housing yet, and such a crowd of workers with their families is crazy !!! First, housing needs to be built there, and then relocated! !!
    7. Amur
      Amur 11 February 2014 13: 13
      +8
      Thoughts aloud about transferences and thoughts.
      ---------------------------------
      Government thoughts - another bullshit.
      Medvedev - And let's transfer!

      And let's think about how much it will cost?
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      Previous nonsense - The accelerated development of the Far East is hindered by fragmentation in the management system and the lack of a single node to solve the socio-economic problems of the region, said Yuri Trutnev, plenipotentiary of the President of Russia in the Far Eastern Federal District.
      Well, what can I say - fragmentation and a single node, then I would not have to chop this node.
      ---------------------------------
      Here's another - during the emergency in 2013 Amur Oblast was credited to the state at 3.5. billion rubles
      It's a shame to realize that they are pouring into Chechnya and Sochi everywhere and irrevocably.
      ---------------------------------

      Please explain what is the purpose of our government in general, transferring or moving something to the Far East, overcoming fragmentation somewhere, introducing air standards?
      What are they thinking there, it is obvious about everything, but not about solving the problems of the Far East.
      1. avt
        avt 11 February 2014 14: 32
        +6
        Quote: Amur
        The previous nonsense - The accelerated development of the Far East is hindered by fragmentation in the management system and the lack of a single node to solve the socio-economic problems of the region, said Yuri Trutnev, plenipotentiary representative of the Russian president in the Far Eastern Federal District.
        Well, what can I say - fragmentation and a single node, then I would not have to chop this node.
        ---------------------------------

        This is said by an official in the rank of presidential representative and deputy prime minister! An official with powers from TWO branches of government! Yes, only the viceroy of God on earth is cooler. Why scratch with your tongue like his predecessor, who has also overgrown on the spot with connections that Don Corleone will envy, take it and do it! proportional to the authority granted. The rest is lavatory lyrics about "the inefficiency of the state." In general, when an official of ANY level opens his mouth and spews about the "inefficiency of the state" - the softest response after this torrent should be a public flogging of this manager with ramrods from an old flintlock times of 1812.
    8. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 11 February 2014 14: 32
      +2
      Quote: kaktus
      The capital must be "transferred" there! yes


      Yes, it would be nice ... maybe at least something will change.
      1. illarion
        illarion 11 February 2014 20: 14
        +1
        To transfer the Prime Minister to Far East as the Extraordinary Commissioner for Development: let him prove by deed that he can achieve something. You look, and fantasies will decrease
      2. demel2
        demel2 11 February 2014 21: 19
        +1
        What’s going to change, you want to transfer all of yours to us. You don’t have to have enough of yours.
    9. ddd1975
      ddd1975 12 February 2014 04: 57
      -1
      Nafig, she’s red here!
  2. waisson
    waisson 11 February 2014 07: 22
    +1
    not only the offices of large firms need to be driven there, but the whole RKOVODSTVO is also calmer for us, and the Far East-Ural-Siberia is in the black
  3. Igor39
    Igor39 11 February 2014 07: 22
    +3
    Government and Duma to the Far East!
    1. shaitan
      shaitan 11 February 2014 08: 57
      +8
      Do we need it here? It will teach my children bad.
  4. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 11 February 2014 07: 23
    +2
    I propose organizing New Moscow approximately in the Chita region. With the transfer of all state structures there.
  5. jon111
    jon111 11 February 2014 07: 48
    +10
    All these are just words! But in reality, nothing will happen again. You need to start with a simple one !!! to put in order roads, yards, playgrounds, infrastructure (which is still left), boiler houses finally transferred from fuel oil !!!! coal or gas. What would ordinary people see that at least something is being done! Maybe they’ll leave less. And since 20 years ago there were pits on the roads and ragged entrances, so everything remained.
  6. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 11 February 2014 07: 48
    +15
    Words words! There’s no normal work (although now they are recruiting contractors at least wherever, officers in FIG are not needed, I’m thinking of some branch commander to go if you don’t have a dad general, no one needs you, housing prices are cosmic, it feels like an apartment in St. Petersburg you buy, agencies rent (a bunch of parasites) artificially inflate, and they want to throw people around. First they would create the conditions and people will stretch, otherwise they can only report (for example, a discount for air transportation, for whom they made it for those who are not 23 and who are for 60 i.e., for those who do not need this, the main thing is to create the appearance of violent activity.)
  7. dimarm74
    dimarm74 11 February 2014 07: 51
    +4
    Air transportation needs to be developed .... volumes must be increased, regional aviation can rapidly develop and produce airplanes and helicopters. And do not put money in the state. US bonds.
  8. treskoed
    treskoed 11 February 2014 07: 59
    +1
    To understand how effectively Prime Minister Medvedev’s initiative can earn in the Far East,

    It is necessary to appoint him to the Far East for the concrete implementation of his initiatives!
    1. shaitan
      shaitan 11 February 2014 09: 00
      +1
      He has shuval here. Also feed this? They will not work for our salaries.
  9. parus2nik
    parus2nik 11 February 2014 08: 03
    +2
    110 YEARS ago, asked ... whether the Far East .. And now the same thing ... I have many friends from the Far East .. they have moved to us .. they say there is no work, everything is expensive .. And Dimon .. he would drink honey with his mouth ...
  10. siberalt
    siberalt 11 February 2014 08: 12
    +4
    Isn't it that the dreamer Dimon seriously believes that the uncle will come from the side to give everything and build everything? Not to life! Unless the state does not make the infrastructure for this, it does not forever sell land, but it does not completely exempt from taxes. And who will build cities and towns, kindergartens and hospitals? Really investors? Suck everything and ruin what it was they can. Here, at least to begin to develop industry and help agriculture, until everyone got it right. And there, investors will catch up.
  11. Nayhas
    Nayhas 11 February 2014 08: 14
    +9
    a relevant example with the “transfer” to the Far Eastern Federal District of employees dismissed from AvtoVAZ. ... AvtoVAZ decided to “release” (what a word!) Before the end of 2014, then this is more than 7 thousand people due to a 12% reduction in sales of manufactured products.

    I offer options:
    1. In reference, for the manufacture of supposedly automobiles;
    2. Show on the example of Japanese cars what cars need to be made.

    In essence, Medvedev's proposals are delusional. Well, what will the transfer of state corporations to Birobidzhan for example give? Do residents of the EAO recognize this and change their minds about moving to the European part of the country out of solidarity with Moscow clerks?
    In order for people not to run away from the Far East and Siberia, normal living conditions are needed. Roads, gas, work, cheap housing, low prices for gasoline / gas / utilities. This is not much that people need.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 10: 57
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      . In reference, for the manufacture of alleged cars;

      For the money, normal cars. I myself go to Kalina, it’s all better than the Chinese guamna. For 2,5 years, not a single serious damage, the bulbs only went out, and the steering tip changed, but this is from good roads, and not from poor quality. hi
      1. Khan
        Khan 11 February 2014 11: 40
        +8
        You just have not seen normal Japanese cars, not one resident of the Far East in his right mind will take "this" Kalina.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 February 2014 11: 50
          +6
          Quote: Khan
          not one resident of the Far East in his right mind will not take "this" Kalina.

          I agree, especially when the 2-year-old Camry is cheaper than the new Kalina. Features DV. But if you take new cars, then Kalina is more profitable.
          P.S. Did you drive Kalina yourself? I, yes, before that there was an Opel Astra, there is something to compare.
        2. 31231
          31231 11 February 2014 13: 46
          +2
          There are in the office and Niva and Largus. At the Impreza itself. In fact, imported only comfort. And there are no less problems. Rather, less, but at a price they are more expensive.
  12. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 11 February 2014 08: 18
    +4
    Medvedev’s proposals should be treated with caution .. It’s better to relocate him to the Yakuts with the government ..)) (though I feel sorry for the Yakuts) laughing
    1. Nike
      Nike 11 February 2014 10: 05
      +6
      Well, why offend the Yakuts? for the most part, these are good people who will always help in difficult times, and Dimon and K have Stalinist towns in those places, let them reanimate their structure, develop natural resources in the adjacent territories, restore or complete transport routes, railways, and northern ports.
    2. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 11 February 2014 13: 27
      +3
      It is better to keep quiet and seem like a fool than to open your mouth and finally dispel doubts.
  13. Koryak
    Koryak 11 February 2014 08: 22
    +13
    What kind of development can we talk about when a liter of solarium costs 44 rubles, and in some places already 50? Production - on the fingers count, work to find a problem, and if found, at Moscow prices, the average salary is 22-25 tons. Greetings from the peninsula to Lupastom Pug.
  14. Sanyht
    Sanyht 11 February 2014 08: 44
    +10
    INSTEAD OF THE MOON AND MARS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS ...- COULD YOU CREATE A SUPER CITY IN THE FAR EAST, FROM A SUPER STRONG GLASS, WITH TROPICAL GARDENS AND PLANTS OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES ...? YES AND THE CAPITAL TIME TO TRANSFER TO THE CENTER OF RUSSIA, FOR THE URALS OR IN THE MIDDLE! And then envy takes: Nazarbayev could transfer to the center of the country the capital, but what interferes with our bagkeepers ??? LOAD OF CENTURIES?
    1. bairat
      bairat 11 February 2014 10: 36
      +6
      Quote: Sanyht
      INSTEAD OF THE MOON AND MARS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS ...- COULD CREATE A SUPER CITY IN THE FAR EAST,

      That's it, wait for the minuses from the local dreamers-dreamers. Give them wealth from the moon, they need to stake out plots there faster, and Siberia will crumble somehow, they lived somehow without roads and normal conditions, the main oil flows ...
  15. Bigriver
    Bigriver 11 February 2014 08: 44
    +7
    To start the government with simple things.
    With the alignment of energy and transport tariffs, and the cost of fuel throughout the country.
    I understand that the task is not trivial. But, IMHO, without its solution, to approach the problem of the development of the Far East - to fool yourself and people.
    A regional economy cannot be competitive, where the cost of production is three times higher than in central Russia.
    1. bairat
      bairat 11 February 2014 10: 41
      +7
      Quote: BigRiver
      To start the government with simple things.
      With the alignment of energy and transport tariffs, and the cost of fuel throughout the country.

      I would say not alignment, but even lower energy prices. We can sell electricity to China for forty rubles, why does it cost its producers 4 r? In the meantime, we will not compete about what kind of production we can talk about if our borders are open for imports?
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 11 February 2014 11: 24
        +3
        Quote: bairat
        ... I would say not alignment, but even lower energy prices. We can sell electricity to China for forty rubles, why does it cost its producers 4 r? ...

        The WHOLESALE price is the same for China and the UES of the East - 147 kopecks smile It becomes different when it comes to the end user.
        In China, it is also more expensive for the end user. Over Amur passed and already + another 40 kopecks per 1 kWh (Heihe). And in Fuyuan already more than 3 rubles.
    2. avt
      avt 11 February 2014 12: 08
      +7
      Quote: BigRiver
      To start the government with simple things.
      With the alignment of energy and transport tariffs, and the cost of fuel throughout the country.

      laughing Yes, for such heretical thoughts about the role of the state in managing the economy, the top manager from the sect "Witnesses Gaydarovs" will be burned at the stake! What are you?! Only the All-Regulating Market "will help" regulate "prices for everything and everyone, and everyone will come "Holy Investment". And you propose to "nightmare the business" - that is, to force government officials to work for the state, not for the pocket! ?? Yes, you also encroach on the sacred, in which every manager from the state piously believes - in the service of states can only be managed ineffectively. Do you want to make them REALLY work ?! Yes, you are just a sadist laughing - they won’t bear it! The iPhone is so easy to cry live.
  16. starhina01
    starhina01 11 February 2014 08: 49
    +3
    a very serious problem and the state cannot just solve it itself forcing the population to move to large cities, but they hope that the population will live happily ever after in the swamp like Shrek and still pay taxes for it, then they are deeply mistaken P.S. How many people want to leave Moscow in the wilderness where there is nothing and everything is expensive hi
  17. makarov
    makarov 11 February 2014 08: 57
    +2
    "people often refuse to live in small towns and rural settlements for the simple reason that it is extremely difficult to find work there, not only with decent wages, but also work in general ..."

    Of course, one thing pulls another. If it is not possible to find a job, then you need to create it yourself. And this is quite real, but there is one "but", namely that the transportation of the fruits of labor will gobble up the entire cache, and even the cost of the product itself, which will become uncompetitive due to the high cost. The only point may be the use of technologies to reduce the mass and volume of products, but these technologies are energy-intensive, and not everyone can afford it ... and as a result, a question mark comes out again ?????
  18. Arh
    Arh 11 February 2014 09: 02
    0
    This is a Healthy Pacific Coast! ! ! * * *
  19. Stinger
    Stinger 11 February 2014 09: 04
    +1
    So, before you “transfer” someone somewhere, you need to carefully study market research, study the demand for certain products, study the unemployment factors in certain towns and cities for investment projects.

    Well, a dreamer author. Who works with us like that? Weaknesses already know everything. They read it in their own textbooks.
  20. Horst78
    Horst78 11 February 2014 09: 10
    +1
    All plans are plans and plans and the result is ZERO. Mauger must stop issuing LSDiKo in the government canteen sad
    1. demel2
      demel2 11 February 2014 21: 40
      +1
      Well, why are there zero results? Before the summit, the rest of the rvbatsk fleet was expelled from Vladivostok so that it wouldn’t irritate the tsar’s eyes with its wretched appearance. The fleet safely moved to Busan. Minus the jobs of ship repairmen left by some miracle minus port charges, why do the eagles need money? say the result is zero. The results have been built in Vladivostok sewage treatment plants also at the summit, but forgot to bring the pipes and take them away, just like the 600 thousandth city in the Golden Horn bay and you say the result is zero, not zero but minus IMHO.
  21. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 11 February 2014 09: 37
    +11
    60-70 years there was a real development of the Far East, and now only plans negative
  22. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 11 February 2014 10: 01
    +5
    Yes, just imagine: the servants of the people cannot agree among themselves, even knowingly in favor of state solvency !!! Here the question is brewing, who are they and what are they? And even about the solvency and independence of this state! They don’t do it in their favor !!! In general, all the facts on the face, the complete decomposition of the moral component in view of the thieves essence!
    In short, what they fought for and ran into! Maybe it's time to take up the mind? After all, the time of experiments is not eternal! Yes, and friends at our borders are not observed! Someone, God forbid, suddenly decides to take extreme measures, due to our failure. And then the state will appeal to the robbed people with a request to protect the borders !? Or take all the property beyond the hill and leave it to the mercy of fate! In any case, there is reason for reflection and without delay there is!
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 12 February 2014 07: 19
      +2
      In my opinion, the point is that our "leadership" considers the problems of the country's development through the prism of its own benefit. Almost all decisions that are made boil down to this. Things will get better only when people come to power who will put the interests of the state and the people above their own.
  23. vezunchik
    vezunchik 11 February 2014 10: 23
    +4
    What is the conversation ... again, extremists were found in Saratov:
    Several activists who submitted a notice to the city administration to hold a rally in support of orphanage No. 2 were invited to the Center for Combating Extremism for a “conversation”.
    “When we submitted the application and later, during the round table with social activists, we were made clear that we did not believe that we could speak on our own. We were told that someone was behind us. Hinted at the director. They declared to us: "You only have to wave flags." But this is not so. Nobody is behind us, we ourselves decided to hold a protest rally, ”one of the notifiers, an activist of the Share Good, charity movement, told Version-Saratov news agency.
    After submitting the notification, the young people were invited by telephone to the "E" Center. The purpose and content of the upcoming conversation were not reported by law enforcement officers. Activists fear that they might be pressured and ask for attention to the situation from the media and human rights defenders.
    Recall that against the closure of the only orphanage in Saratov, more than 150 thousand signatures were collected.
    http://nversia.ru/news/view/id/49426
  24. alexsey7777
    alexsey7777 11 February 2014 11: 36
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    However, it turned out that the Far Eastern enterprise, to put it mildly, does not burn with a desire to accept workers “freed” from AvtoVAZ
    It is not strange, but happy. I can’t imagine the situation when one family member fired from a VAZ goes to work in the Far East, leaving his family in Togliatti. By the way, about 1000 vacancies were offered to those being cut back from VAZ in Chechnya. Bastards. am
    P.S. The number of reductions at the VAZ in 2014 increased from 7000 to 10000 people.


    You are a little mistaken. The Vladivostok Sollers (screwdriver assembly of foreign cars on the coastal land), is ready to accept workers from Avtotaz, but so far it is not specified how many, but I am sure that a maximum of 200 people ...
  25. Black
    Black 11 February 2014 12: 25
    +4
    In capitalist Russia, there will be no development of the Far East. Wrong level.
  26. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 11 February 2014 12: 32
    +9
    A hundred kilometers from Moscow, there are already practically no one in the villages, but here, of course, everyone will rush into the Far East. Moreover, the climate there is not pleasant enough.
  27. Takashi
    Takashi 11 February 2014 13: 09
    +11
    1. article - bullshit. Definitely zamususnovat.
    2. Vladivostok Sollers (screwdriver assembly of foreign cars in Primorye) - "ready to accept workers from autogas" why are you kidding me ???? In the city, so there is a surplus of manpower. Internal growth is provided by migration from all over the Primorsky Territory. 7000 people will simply disperse throughout the Samara region (those who want to see the world will go to Kaliningrad.
    3. Who writes articles, you at least put on a "skin" about what you write.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    The development of the Far East should go along several components.
    1. Refusal to use shift workers. Use (training) of people living in the Far East.
    - It’s especially bitter to look at it in Sakhalin when a lot of people are unemployed (some areas are so depressed that people leave to work as Guards.) At the same time, shift workers (from Novosibirsk \ Krasnodar \ ...... etc).
    - only on Sakhalin, in order to get a driver’s license you need to go to Yu-Sakhalinsk. (this is normal?)

    Do you think the spaceport is being built by the locals? The village / town remained as depressed as it was. But a lot of "business travelers".

    2. Development of a network of roads. And this also, should be carried out by local residents, and not by any construction trust from Rostov-on-Don.
    3. A well-developed and well-thought-out Energy system. And tariffs. It is not clear why tariffs are more expensive than selling China.
    5. We need people who believe and love the Far East. People capable of steps and ready to bear responsibility.

    Believe me, point construction (in a particular oblast of the Far East) will not solve anything. !!!!

    For many years, (about 10 years, every year) delegations from Japan \ Korea \ Indonesia \ China come to the city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Every year, guided tours of the city’s enterprises are held, everyone drinks, shakes hands, and decides on the joint opening of an enterprise. And things are still not there. !!!!! Arrived. We drank away. All. Tradition.


    do not write nonsense. tired of it.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 12 February 2014 03: 16
      +5
      In this matter, as a resident of Komsomolsk, despite past disagreements, I fully agree with you. yes
  28. ed65b
    ed65b 11 February 2014 13: 12
    +1
    We must carefully study the experience of China and Korea. God himself ordered the founding of high-tech industries near Asian tigers. At times, reduce the transport component. Gasify. reduce the cost of gasoline and diesel fuel, electric energy and gas. Prohibit the shipment of raw materials without processing on the territory of the Far East to China and Japan. give land for free for the construction of individual housing.
  29. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 11 February 2014 13: 26
    +2
    The places are beautiful and the climate is healthy! There is practically no infrastructure, the whole "rise" is only on paper and in reports for Moscow, everything that was plundered and plundered under the UNION, it is necessary to start practically from scratch, iPhone Twitterovich "with his comrades" is practically beyond his capacity. production there is needed today and now, and this requires young healthy and capable of building and creating for the good of Mother Russia, and not "sawing" public funds.
  30. konvalval
    konvalval 11 February 2014 13: 27
    0
    Quote: kaktus
    The capital must be "transferred" there! yes

    Together with the government.
  31. konvalval
    konvalval 11 February 2014 13: 35
    0
    Another pearl M..D..A..ka. How long?
  32. 31231
    31231 11 February 2014 13: 54
    +2
    Alexey, the article is one-sided.
    He worked in Primorye, in Amurka, in Southeast Yakutia. I really liked living there. The main issue is employment. What would people go there, it is necessary to create jobs. And your irony is completely inappropriate. An oil pipe was thrown into Kozmino, a gas pipe to Vladik. Now they want to throw another gas already to China and Korea. The Elginskoye field was commissioned in 2010. The gold mining industry works pretty well there.
    Infrastructure (roads, ports) is slowly upset.
    There were also plans to put LNG there, but this is most likely when the pipe from Chayanda in Primorye is extended. Now there is not enough capacity.
    If they continue to invest at the same pace, I think the decline in population will decrease.
    By the way, the prices for air tickets to Artyom from Moscow and St. Petersburg in 2010-2011 were almost the same as to Eburg from Moscow.
    1. Takashi
      Takashi 11 February 2014 14: 52
      +3
      I agree.
      Nature and places in the Far East are very beautiful.
      the main issue is employment. and pay for labor.

      Few people know that in 2013 the same KnAAZ (former KnAAPO) carried out a planned reduction in jobs (up to 800 people).

      Why are people leaving?
      First, compare the goods and services (choice-prices) that you can purchase in the Far East or in the middle zone of Russia.
      The cultural component. (building a House of Culture is not enough).
      We have most of the bands and singers - it is very rare to go on Irkutsk !! :) :)
    2. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 12 February 2014 12: 15
      0
      31231, I will support. Several years ago I was on a business trip in those parts, I took a ride from Vladik to Aldan, just on the issue of the very "pipe to China" lol
      The places are awesome, the people are friendly and helpful ... In some places, of course, the 90s were recalled (the same products in stores "on record" and traffic cops determining the speed "by eye" using a stopwatch).
      But I swear, if my wife hadn’t been waiting at home, I would have stayed laughing
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  33. AnaBat
    AnaBat 11 February 2014 14: 51
    +1
    This means that before you “move” someone somewhere, you need to take a closer look at studying the market, studying the demand for certain products, and studying the factors of unemployment in various locations to investment projects. Otherwise, the relocation of state corporations will turn into another blow to the budget, on which a narrow circle of people will benefit, who have nothing to do with the aspirations of Far Easterners ...

    The main thing is that this is not another money laundering and does not turn into the enrichment of some for the protection of others (Rusnano, Skolkovo, ...)
  34. alexsey7777
    alexsey7777 11 February 2014 16: 23
    +3
    2. Vladivostok Sollers (screwdriver assembly of foreign cars in Primorye) - "ready to accept workers from autogas" why are you kidding me ???? In the city, so there is a surplus of manpower. Internal growth is provided by migration from all over the Primorsky Territory. 7000 people will simply disperse throughout the Samara region (those who want to see the world will go to Kaliningrad.


    This appeal was addressed to our governor Miklushevsky by the Ministry of Eastern Development. Adm. Krai turned to Sollers with the question of finding out the exact amount of how much they are willing to provide for downsized employees from basins. Sollers leadership, in turn, promised to help.

    And about employment. The problem is not in employment itself, but in wages and costs for the same products. A person will not go to work for 15 thousand, given that he will spend 1,5 thousand on travel, and + a rent, which will exactly eat half the money along with the fare. And what to eat? And the official salary information in the coastal region of 28 kilos is nothing more than noodles for gullible hamsters ...

    In the region there has been a tendency to reduce the attraction of migrants from the sunny republics. The excess is not as great as it might seem. In the same Moscow, it will be larger in percentage of the number of inhabitants / number of loafers.
    1. Takashi
      Takashi 12 February 2014 11: 59
      0
      You know, I sometimes do an experiment for the sake of boredom.

      The bottom line is simple. I specifically find employers from the cities of the Far East (Khabarovsk, Vladivostok (Primorsky Territory), KnA) who post job offers on the sites: work, superjob, hh. Next, I create a fake resume, and customize the requirements of the employer (% by 80). All that is true there is a telephone (the benefit of Sims has accumulated a lot). And send. Waiting for an answer.
      How many responses do you think? for 5-6 years - 2 times !!!

      What is this talking about? draw your own conclusions.
      1. Oh no no no
        Oh no no no 12 February 2014 15: 23
        0
        What is this talking about? draw your own conclusions.


        Yes you, my friend, a joker! :) And for what purpose are you interested in? 5 years - not for fun?
  35. Puffed up
    Puffed up 11 February 2014 16: 45
    +2
    This and our land have betrayed us. Dwarfs are damned one black and the other bald and gray.
    The picture then increases.
    1. 31231
      31231 11 February 2014 20: 51
      0
      Ill, do you even watch what you post? Where is the DAMA painting on your photo-toad? Printing is not a stamp at all. I will order one in any application office.
      Give a link to the official website of the Government. There are all similar orders.
      This is what a search gave on the Government's website at the request "Order No. 1267-r dated July 12, 2012."
      On the approval of the draft of the long-term regional target program "Assistance to the voluntary resettlement of compatriots living abroad to the Novosibirsk region for 2013-2020"
      July 20 2013
      Order of July 20, 2013 No. 1267-r
      1. sinukvl
        sinukvl 11 February 2014 21: 43
        0
        I bought a typesetting print and bought a printer (although before that I wrote here that he was poor and poor, I didn’t answer the question), I cooked up a note and sealed it with a self-made seal, put it out here, I think that there are only loshariks, real paper from this lettering not distinguish. Yes, there’s another jamb there, the Prime Minister doesn’t issue orders, but orders and decrees.
      2. Puffed up
        Puffed up 11 February 2014 21: 56
        +1
        Yes, you’re not even a person, but a number. Sorry, usually I'm on you. Open your eyes now. The whole Internet is full. Do not you see.
        "China is not a party to the Open Skies Treaty, so a separate government order was required."
        Check out the website:
        http://law7.ru/russia/government4e/w656.htm
        In addition, there are dozens of sites then. Just type the first sentence available. My granddaughter is quick and quick. smile
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 12 February 2014 04: 02
      +4
      The Chinese have long been, from the middle of the 90's, making regular reconnaissance flights along our borders in the Far East. To do this, use the Tu-154 purchased from us and converted.
      1. Puffed up
        Puffed up 12 February 2014 18: 04
        +1
        Air Base in Vozdvizhenka.
        Tu-22M3 ("45-03") "Backfire-C" (Multi-mode long-range missile carrier-bomber OKB named after A.N. Tupolev) - One of the 18 abandoned aircraft at the facility. On Tu-22M3 flights in Vozdvizhenka actively continued until 2007, then a gradual decline began to ensue, and the current military reform finally “destroyed” the air regiment. Some of the planes were transported to Siberia, and the rest in Primorye were carefully dismantled. Moreover, any specialist understands that here the "dismantling of equipment" from military vehicles took place in a semi-regular mode.
        The heart is now bleeding now. Than we will either protect ourselves from the Chinese and sometimes the Japs.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 13 February 2014 08: 12
          +3
          These cars near Usurisk have already been carved into scrap metal; the airfield in Vozdvizhenka itself is almost abandoned.
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  36. lazy
    lazy 11 February 2014 16: 45
    +3
    the transfer of state corporations is not a bad thing, because where the company is registered there and pays taxes, why is Moscow rich, because most of the companies are registered there. it was necessary to fill the treasury in St. Petersburg, Gasprom was transferred there, and also some of the private companies were "asked", if I am not mistaken, for example, there was a "transaero" from Siberia. And Peter began to transform. Do they steal a lot? Well, so there is something to steal from. And in the Far East, while companies change owners to Muscovites, and it turns out that production here and taxes go to the Moscow budget and not the local budget, so there is no money either for gasification or for entrances. so let them transfer state corporations it's time for Moscow to share income
  37. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 11 February 2014 17: 12
    +7
    At the 24th Congress of the CPSU it was said “if we do not develop SIBERIA and the FAR EAST. THEM WILL BE DEVELOPED BY THE CHINESE.
    1. morozov_n
      morozov_n 11 February 2014 17: 32
      +5
      This is unfortunately only words, it didn’t really get to the point.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 12 February 2014 07: 27
        +3
        Quote: morozov_n
        This is unfortunately only words, it didn’t really get to the point.

        I can’t agree with you, in Soviet times, the Far Eastern territories developed very actively, factories and housing were built. The peak of the population in Komsomolsk fell on 1991 year-330t.ch., Now about -NumXt.ch.
        A lot of people left, but despite this, housing prices in the city are quite high. A lot of people are moving to Kosmomolsk from the BAM villages, where it was impossible to live at all.
  38. alal
    alal 11 February 2014 18: 29
    +3
    Quote: Puffed
    This and our land have betrayed us. Dwarfs are damned one black and the other bald and gray.
    The picture then increases.

    Cheating?

    These led by the Russian women who are traitors? Why am I not surprised?
  39. wanderer
    wanderer 11 February 2014 19: 18
    +2
    It turns out that the Romanovs were in vain, although the Polar Germans tried, populated the Far East,
    and commies built and paid extra different factors.
    Free entrepreneurs do not need this.
    Conclusion - simple all the little things that pump oil and gas, do not let go further west of the Volga.
    Nehai sit where the loot is pumped.
  40. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 11 February 2014 20: 44
    +1
    Dima is in the parallel worlds. Makes a face in front of cameras and scribblers ... OMG, when will the GDP find / set a normal prime minister? It seems like it's time to change this iPhone to a normal business executive.

    And what’s interesting. We ourselves cannot provide our citizens with employment in the Far, but for some reason the Chinese solve this issue with ease, and even on foreign territory.

    I was in Khabarovsk. Beautiful city.
  41. demel2
    demel2 11 February 2014 21: 08
    +4
    The government has developed a program ... Not even funny. Chelyabinsk region. allocated money from the budget to advertise the move of Primorsky Krai residents to the Urals. I accidentally opened Data's website. I read the headlines. Why young Primorye residents choose Kaliningrad and some huckster extols houses and apartments in the enclave. The next heading is why pensioners choose to live in China and some kind of figure begins to praise the sweet life in China for our retirement. Funny prices for housing and communal services marble beef for 30 rubles and the like program of the great Me works. In Vladivostok, a forum of fishermen is held every year. Some people come and discuss the problems of the fishing industry, how can discuss problems of an industry that isn’t there. There are a lot of examples of these leaders, too, and you yourself know who they’re going to drink. Grandmas will cut it and calm down. And there are fewer and fewer people in the Far East.
  42. undusk
    undusk 11 February 2014 21: 14
    +4
    Yes, the situation in the Far East is depressing. In childhood, from the late 60s to the late 70s, I had to follow my father through the garrisons - Tikhas, Khabarovsk, Russky Island, Timofeevka. Even then, there was a feeling of abandonment and temporary tenacity. Everyone tried to get over to the mainland. I watched abandoned houses with a working water supply system, whole barracks without "population", serviceable, abandoned patterns with connected electricity and working girder cranes, warehouses in hills with chemical. not guarded by anyone. It didn’t fit in my head, and even now it’s hard ... After all, this is our land ... There are people (in large cities), there are shipbuilding and aircraft factories, agriculture, oil industry, woodworking are developed, that is, there is work ... Khabarovsk is located on a huge brown coal deposit (and at a very shallow depth). The climate is wonderful! Paradox! But the people are dumping! And because there are no modern conditions of existence - normal housing, normal salaries at adequate prices, affordable air and railway transport. Previously, the main influx of the population was either by distribution after institutes, or by Komsomol construction projects, or after imprisonment, the people remained. Now it is impossible to raise the DV overnight, unless you organize something like a GOLDEN FEVER. Let the government allow private traders to mine gold (under a license). There are dangers in this, but there are many more advantages to be seen. This will be the first impetus; according to its results, it will be possible to implement other projects.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 12 February 2014 07: 30
      +3
      Quote: undusk
      The climate is wonderful!

      Well, about the climate, you got excited, but otherwise I agree!
  43. moremansf
    moremansf 11 February 2014 21: 15
    +2
    It becomes sad from such ideas !!!
  44. Jager
    Jager 11 February 2014 22: 13
    +6
    He himself comes from the Amur region. Relatives like that from Oymyakon. So ...
    Our North and Far East is the RICHEST region, the Japanese, even for a tenth of these riches, are ready to tear on the British flag. BUT. For some unknown reason, we are not really engaged in the development of those lands.
    How to raise Russia east of Lake Baikal? Elementary.
    1. Establish logistics and transport links
    2. Create infrastructure for the life of the population - the construction and modernization of cities and villages.
    3. Resuscitate industrial production and give work with a good salary and working conditions.
    4. Provide benefits to the population and companies participating in the project.
    The people fell from there due to the lack of prospects for life. And that’s the reason.
    Plush has already got its innovative insanities. He may be a good lawyer, but ... you understand me.
  45. jon111
    jon111 12 February 2014 04: 51
    +3
    Quote: Jager
    to provide benefits to the population and companies participating in the project.
    The people fell from there due to the lack of prospects for life. And that's it

    And more urgently !!! to reanimate the fishing fleet and the entire industry in the Far East. Indeed, in Soviet times, there were more than one hundred trawlers in only one Nakhodka (BAMR - the base of active sea fishing) !!! The fish were spread all over the country, such floating bases were lost. In the nineties, all ships under the flag or on nails and all ports are now filled with export coal and that's it. Completely destroyed the ship repair industry in the Primorsky Territory, where these monsters are now "Dalzavad" "NSRZ" "PSRZ" half of the region worked for them. That's what needs to be developed!
  46. ddd1975
    ddd1975 12 February 2014 05: 11
    +4
    The patient’s delirium on the head. Well, right now they will drag Gazprom and MinAtom and Monas Carlo will be ...
    1. Why do goods from China go to Moscow, get customs cleared there and return to the Far East is cheaper than just bringing a "box" from China directly. Considering the "horse" logistics from Moscow to Vladik? Was it not for this that Bakhshitsyn was pulled up, that he got to the bottom?
    2. Why more than half of the enterprises work on "black" or in the region on "gray"?
    3. Why is there still no normal route on the Khabarovsk-Irkutsk section?
    4. Why is there no normal work in the Far East?
    5. Why is the fleet (at least civilian) in the ass? Where is the fish? Example trout (Norway) 330 per kg, and local coho salmon 280 per kg?
    Well, a lot more why. Answer and decide. Everything is not so scary - just pi .. stop it.
    1. jon111
      jon111 12 February 2014 07: 07
      +3
      And still the road Vladivostok - Nakhodka do. And then everything will be ok))) Today Putin seems to be flying to Nakhodka, maybe he will be transported along a super road, preferably by car without air suspension)))
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 12 February 2014 07: 32
        +3
        Quote: jon111
        And still the road Vladivostok - Nakhodka do.

        This is still a normal road, you will ride along the BAM.
  47. alexsey7777
    alexsey7777 12 February 2014 08: 31
    0
    Quote: Bongo
    The Chinese have long been, from the middle of the 90's, making regular reconnaissance flights along our borders in the Far East. To do this, use the Tu-154 purchased from us and converted.


    Ours also do not sleep. Often inside the city (Vladivostok) fighters ply.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 12 February 2014 08: 47
      0
      Quote: alexsey7777
      Often inside the city (Vladivostok) fighters fly

      They have nothing to do inside the city, and they really fly over Vladivostok, the Su-27, I watched last summer. Only unfortunately, there are not as many of our fighters in Primorye as we would like. The airfield in the Golden Valley is somewhat out of order. in your area, approximately 15 Su-27 is based in Corner.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 February 2014 08: 52
        +4
        Quote: Bongo
        They have nothing to do inside the city

        Last summer, before the "sudden exercises" Su 27 and Migi 31 flew 50 meters above the houses. IL 38 passed over my house so at 6 in the morning that my dog ​​with whom I was walking set a speed record for running into the entrance on the way emptying wassat
        Quote: Bongo
        in your area, approximately 15 Su-27s are based in Corner.

        Already more and 31 blinks. At first they removed, then they returned to the summit, they remained. It seems they did not fly away.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 12 February 2014 08: 57
          0
          If more, then not by much. Most of the modern Su-27СМ are located on Dzemgah near Komsomolsk. And on the anti-submarine IL-38 based in Nikolaevka it is impossible to look at all without tears. In flight condition there are 5-6 units left.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 February 2014 09: 12
            0
            Quote: Bongo
            If more, then not by much. Most of the modernized Su-27SM are located on Dzemgah

            We have almost all of the Su 27 modernized and drove them away from you from the dzemog. And you have a roar there constantly
            Quote: Bongo
            . And on the anti-submarine IL-38 based in Nikolaevka it is impossible to look at all without tears

            How many I do not know, therefore I will not write.
          2. Takashi
            Takashi 12 February 2014 11: 47
            0
            Do not forget about strategic aviation near Vanino-Sovgavan
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 12 February 2014 11: 53
              +3
              For a long time there are no strategists there. Based anti-submarine Tu-142, they fly extremely rarely. The Tu-22M of naval aviation located there is dismantled for scrap.
  48. Bongo
    Bongo 12 February 2014 09: 21
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    We have almost all Su Xnumx upgraded

    Last year we sent technical staff to Uglovoe from Dzomog. The men then told (with mats) in what condition the engines came from the "planned overhaul" through the "Rosoboronservis" line. And on Dzomga, despite the proximity of the Su-27SM plant, not everything is going smoothly, a significant part of them are "doves of peace". They will be able to rise into the air, and they will be able to complete the combat mission-no-Prolems with avionics.
  49. jack1
    jack1 12 February 2014 15: 43
    0
    Our Friend will not pass the test for lice for a long time
  50. Bene valete
    Bene valete 12 February 2014 15: 46
    0
    In general, one thing is nice, even though they started talking about the Far East.
    Previously, as the region did not exist, it might not have happened immediately, through w ... pu, as is customary for us, but the DR will rise bit by bit! I'd like to hope!