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Ukraine: split of the opposition

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Ukraine: split of the opposition



The protest movement in Ukraine increasingly began to resemble Libya after Gadhafi was overthrown there and where the armed opposition forces were fighting brutally between themselves for power. In Ukraine today, the situation is approximately the same: at the end of January, the Svodobovtsy seized the building of the Ministry of Agrarian Policy and Food, which had already been seized by another opposition group, Spilny Law, and where a volunteer recruitment point was set up (so-called “assault troops” ).

The re-take-over of the building was rather tough: there is documentary evidence for this. A video from the building that was taken by storm appeared on the Internet, and shots are clearly heard on this video, not single shots, but in full bursts, as well as loose cartridges on the floor and blood stains. Moreover, according to media reports, several people were taken away by ambulances. In addition, at about the same time, another group of “Svobodovtsy” tried to seize the building of the regional administration in the city of Lviv, where opposition forces have also been stationed for a long time.

Immediately it should be noted that the reasons that prompted the representatives of "Freedom" to unexpectedly attack their own comrades in the opposition and Euromaidan are very obvious and extremely banal. Since the end of last year, the events that took place in Ukraine have been very successful for the party of Oleg Tyagnibok. Initially, the protests were massive and nationwide, in addition, a representative of the party, Eduard Leonov, became the commandant of the captured building of the city mayor's office. He was later replaced by another "svobodovets" - Ruslan Andriyko, by the way, without the consent of the participants of the Maidan. And the photos taken in the building indicate that, apart from the symbols of “Freedom,” there are no symbols of other opposition forces. This building housed hundreds of Svyatoslav the Brave.

A similar situation exists in other areas of Euromaidan activity: where in the open, where gradually "Freedom" began to sort out the main functions. So, in particular, the funds for material support of the Maidan were in the hands of the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, the representative of the same “Freedom” Mikhail Blavatsky.

Such an active position together with the participation in the protest rallies of hundreds of thousands of “Freedom” activists made it possible for the very first elections to declare their important role on the Maidan and thus increase the representation of their party in the Verkhovna Rada. By the way, the similar “focus” of “Freedom” has already been done earlier: in October 2012, at the parliamentary elections, she won almost 11 percent of votes against almost one percent in 2007. And all because “Freedom” in the public consciousness has established itself as the main radical, even despite the fact that in reality the party did not quite respond to such a description.

“Svobodovtsy” did not take part either in the seizure of buildings, in battles on Grushevskogo street, or in clashes in “Berkutovtsy”, it was very important for them to maintain the status quo. That is why, when seizures of buildings of state institutions began in many regions of Ukraine, representatives of the party began to declare that all of these were provocations of pro-government forces and that they were set up for a peaceful solution to the conflict. However, a little later, the party leadership realized that it was already enough to play moderation, because the forces on the Maidan became more radical, and the appeals of the period of the beginning of the revolution are no longer relevant. Moreover, much more approval from the public, even among the most apolitical representatives of it, is caused by more radical groups - Spilna on the right and Right Sector, which attack the special forces and seize administrative buildings. Moreover, in some mass media there appeared information that if elections were held in the country in the near future, the Right Sector would easily have managed to overcome the 5% threshold, taking some of the votes from the same Freedom.

It should be noted that the practice of transition from moderate radicalism to its more powerful manifestation in the world stories far from new. A vivid example of this is the representatives of the Greek National-Conservative Popular Orthodox Party, which during the last elections increased their results and went to parliament with triumph. And only after the crisis of 2011, they suddenly became too soft, so they lost some of the votes that neo-Nazis from the Golden Dawn had. Obviously, Freedom does not want to lose votes in this way, which explains the activization of its activists, who had previously not taken any part in street clashes.

If we talk about what this party is trying to achieve, then there are several explanations. The first is the one that enjoys great popularity among the radically-minded part of Euromaidan - the actions of the “Svobodovtsy” are determined by certain agreements with the authorities. As evidence of their correctness, the radicals say that the amnesty law, which was promoted by the representatives of the party, was not very profitable, the building of the Ministry of Agrarian Policy was returned. And indeed, on the last day of last year, information appeared that the work of the Ministry was resumed, and the staff of the department returned to their workplaces. Moreover, on the same day, other information appeared - that the law-enforcement agencies were on the wanted list of Alexander Danilyuk, leader of the “Spilna sprava”.

Agree, the coincidence is so strange that it is quite possible to suspect the leaders of "Freedom" in collusion with the authorities - in exchange for the opportunity to remain in big politics, "Svoboda" could assume the function of suppressing radical forces on Maidan.

Regarding the second explanation, it is the desire of "Freedom" to declare itself as the most effective force of the protest movement: if the radicals kicked the police out of administrative buildings, and they kicked out these radicals, then, accordingly, they are the strongest. In addition, the seizure of buildings at the same time will make it possible to thwart their opponents a set of new fighters, and complicate an already difficult life (after all, in this weather, few people will survive for a long time).

Do not lose sight of the above-mentioned "Right Sector", an organization that first showed itself in early December last year during the so-called "bulldozer provocation" on Bankova. Then its representatives became real “heroes” of Euromaidan immediately after the peaceful protest passed into the phase of active confrontation.

Dealing with what this organization is is quite simple. According to media reports, it appeared relatively recently. In fact, it is not even an organization, but a union of several radical right-wing forces. Thus, neither the leaders nor the list of members does not exist.

Analysts say that the “Right Sector” arose as a result of the weak organization and coordination of the actions of various organizations. At the same time, his actions are coordinated spontaneously, but the creation of groups in social networks and the daily addition of hundreds of fans allowed the radicals to quickly become familiar with the features of coordinated work. Confirmation of this - quite a successful confrontation "Berkut".

It should also be noted that the ideology of the “Right Sector” was inherited from organizations whose members are members of it. Thus, the Right Sector opposes Russia's interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, the entry of the state into the Customs Union, as well as the change of the political system in Ukraine. On the other hand, representatives of the organization for the most part do not support Ukraine’s accession to the European Union, since it considers it as the oppressor of European states. At the same time, they recognize Ukraine as part of Europe.

Note that the “Right Sector” is far from being an alien organization for the Ukrainian capital. It is based on football ultras, which are mostly Russian-speaking, but at the same time they adhere to the positions of nationalism. Such a symbiosis provides cohesion and vitality of the organization. The first serious action of the group was an attack on the "berkutovtsy" of December 1 on Bankova Street. Then, I must say, they were mistaken for provocateurs and sharply criticized. The first serious success of the sector were clashes with the special forces of January 19, which escalated into protracted battles on Grushevskogo street.

Like any other radical organization, the Right Sector considers the activities of political parties too apathetic. Most of the criticism goes to Freedom, which the radicals consider too clumsy and weak-willed. Yatsenyuk obmaterili, Klitschko - doused from a fire extinguisher, and in Poroshenko simply launched stone. Opposition leaders did not remain in debt, however, only verbally, calling the “Right Sector” provocateurs.

Thus, the emergence of the “Right Sector” is a completely natural consequence of the long-term self-isolation of the authorities from the dialogue with the public. Thanks to irreconcilability towards security officials and compromises, the organization touched upon the emotional strings of the people, which the opposition leaders tried not to touch at all. However, all the recent events, in particular, the constant use of force against protesters, the reluctance to compromise indicates that Ukrainian society will become more radical, which is very beneficial for the Right Sector. Therefore, hopes that the conflict, which lasts more than three months in Ukraine, will be settled peacefully, is becoming less and less. And this should be wary of the same “Freedom” if it wants to maintain its position and be able to somehow influence the power. And from here a fairly simple conclusion - the opposition forces will continue to compete with each other, and this rivalry will not be peaceful ...

Materials used:
http://svpressa.ru/world/article/81678/
http://www.rg.ru/2014/02/04/mnenie-site.html
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1253967
http://slon.ru/world/pochemu_ukrainskie_oppozitsionery_nachali_boi_mezhdu_soboy-1052729.xhtml
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 9 February 2014 06: 40
    +37
    UPA-attacked the OUN, OUN attacked the FREEDOM, FREEDOM attacked the RIGHT SECTOR, the RIGHT SECTOR attacked the UPA, Klitschko got a fire extinguisher on the head, as a result, the mother of NULAND Germans was furious, what a fascinating series on MAYDAN.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 9 February 2014 07: 43
      +25
      Ukraine is a weak state if it allows bandits and the Nazis to rock civil society.
      The state, by definition, does not have the right to make concessions to the Bandera Nazis and bandits, and Ukraine is, and has been, for years. Concessions to Bandera are from the first days of the existence of the autonomous suburbs.
      You must pay for these concessions. And they will pay with the collapse of the outskirts of statehood, with the blood of people, which this Bandera Sabbath allowed with indifference.
      1. Arhj
        Arhj 9 February 2014 08: 47
        +16
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Ukraine is a weak state if it allows bandits and the Nazis to rock civil society.
        The state, by definition, does not have the right to make concessions to the Bandera Nazis and bandits, and Ukraine is, and has been, for years. Concessions to Bandera are from the first days of the existence of the autonomous suburbs.
        You must pay for these concessions. And they will pay with the collapse of the outskirts of statehood, with the blood of people, which this Bandera Sabbath allowed with indifference.

        It really is. Sorry if I offended anyone. The problem is that Ukraine is an artificial state and in this is not very different from many African countries. As of 1917, there was no Ukraine in the Russian Empire - there was Malorssia, which was very different from the existing Ukraine, and there was no Ukrainian nationality either. With the exception of the Baltic states, the Bolsheviks formed the union republics not according to the national, but according to the administrative principle, as their colonies west. Nobody thought that the USSR could fall apart.
        But a state that does not have a core, which as a rule is a single or even dominant people, cannot be strong.
        1. duke
          duke 9 February 2014 10: 48
          +4
          Arhj - if they formed administratively, they would not give these entities purely national names, so the Cossack lands were included in the formation of Kazakhstan, ostensibly to raise the level of backward outskirts, and so on (Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan - where is there administrative division) ... yes, the bomb was laid by a powerful comrade. Lenin, once dividing a single country on a national basis ... is still hiccupped. V. I. Lenin strongly criticized the project of autonomization of the Soviet republics. He put forward the only "correct and wise" proposal - all Soviet socialist republics, including the RSFSR, should unite on completely equal grounds and form a new, union state - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a voluntary union of enterprises of equal, sovereign republics. Each republic must retain the full right of free secession from the USSR.
          Источник: http://forexaw.com/TERMs/State/Eurasia/Russia/l492_CCCP_USSR_%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE
          ..interesting why Stalin did not return the division scheme in the province, as it was under the tsar, because he was basically a sane person, I would even say - a genius in political games and he certainly knew what that was all about may end, however ...
        2. igordok
          igordok 9 February 2014 11: 11
          +6
          Quote: Arhj
          With the exception of the Baltic states,

          The Baltic states were also formed according to the administrative principle. After the Revolution, hot Estonian guys captured part of Livonia, and Estonia turned out. Already on a national basis.
        3. Andrey77
          Andrey77 9 February 2014 20: 45
          -3
          But a state that does not have a core, which as a rule is a single or even dominant people, cannot be strong.

          Can. Example times - USA. The dominant people (Indians) you know where. It’s hard to call them a weak state.
      2. AVV
        AVV 9 February 2014 10: 55
        +4
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Ukraine is a weak state if it allows bandits and the Nazis to rock civil society.

        Not the word, not just the reaction of the state to zero, but even with a minus sign, since they allow different right-wing Natsiks to undermine the state, since they allow different rubbish in the form of Nuland to freely walk among the protesters, since they allow different Baltic and Polish socks to speak out and stir up water among Maydanutyh !!!
      3. shevron
        shevron 9 February 2014 15: 51
        +7
        People took to the streets from a reluctance to live on like that - the opposition leaders took advantage of this. The stupidity of the Maidan lies in the fact that they will be used again to break through to power. Nobody thinks about people either the Yanukovych or the opposition and the more extreme radicals. They care about the place at the trough ...
      4. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 9 February 2014 19: 37
        +2
        I don't know, but it looks like Ukraine is all SICK on a HEAD, maybe this is such a "move" of the opposition itself, but the following has just appeared on the srambler:

        Obama will consider a petition on US involvement in the elimination of radicals in Ukraine

        The petition for help to Ukrainian law enforcement agencies in the fight against radical groups on Sunday gained more than 100 thousand signatures on the White House website and was submitted for consideration by the US administration, reports UNN.

        The petition authors note that their appeal is related to the inability of the Ukrainian authorities to suppress the armed resistance of nationalist, terrorist organizations, as well as other entities that provoke internal conflict and violence, torture and killings of Ukrainians.


        Invite goats in the GARDEN with CABBAGE ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 9 February 2014 09: 15
      +8
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      UPA-attacked the OUN, OUN attacked the FREEDOM, FREEDOM attacked the RIGHT SECTOR, the RIGHT SECTOR attacked the UPA, Klitschko got a fire extinguisher on the head, as a result, the mother of NULAND Germans was furious, what a fascinating series on MAYDAN.

      This is a very common story of ALL revolutions, except for one and the main thing - usually this happens after the VICTORY of the Revolution, but Ukraine goes its own way, everything happens for them during
      1. Fin
        Fin 9 February 2014 10: 26
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        but Ukraine goes its own way, everything happens for them during

        Nothing new. Hetmans will never agree, they will continue to find out who is longer. And the posts in the government have probably already been divided.
        1. nnz226
          nnz226 9 February 2014 12: 58
          +3
          Ukrainian folk saying: "Where there are two hohliks, there are three hetmans!"
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 9 February 2014 21: 57
          +2
          Quote: Fin
          Nothing new. Getmans will never agree, they will continue to find out who is longer

          And before the getmans there were Polish magnates ...
    3. AnaBat
      AnaBat 9 February 2014 11: 43
      +6
      Just like in SYRIA, where the opposites are fighting among themselves for power! The picture is similar!
    4. dddym
      dddym 9 February 2014 15: 40
      +1
      some kind of melodrama :) it’s true a pentagonal kind of love triangle :))) I’m not surprised - sodomy can create multidimensional even :) For example, Klitschko is married to Yatsenyuk, Yatsenyuk to Tyagnibok, Tyagnibok loves Tymoshenko and Tymoshenko loves money :)
    5. Sandov
      Sandov 10 February 2014 18: 44
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      UPA-attacked the OUN, OUN attacked the FREEDOM, FREEDOM attacked the RIGHT SECTOR, the RIGHT SECTOR attacked the UPA, Klitschko got a fire extinguisher on the head, as a result, the mother of NULAND Germans was furious, what a fascinating series on MAYDAN.

      Is it really a section of Ukraine? Maybe Little Russia will return back. Americans dig the earth there.
  2. old rocket man
    old rocket man 9 February 2014 06: 47
    +7
    Yes, the forecast is gloomy.
    One thing is clear - most likely the opposition will not be able to come to an agreement among themselves, and therefore blood cannot be avoided. I mean a serious confrontation, because blood is already pouring. The "leaders" are trying to stake out a place near the trough.
    If the opposition fights, and it fights, the authorities will have to use armed force, and this is, in fact, a civil war. what
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 9 February 2014 07: 38
      +3
      Yes bullshit
      The opposition will not tear each other up, there regarding this "opposition" - the puppeteers behind are serious - they will tell Yatsenyuk to leave, they will leave, they will tell Klitschko to leave, they will leave.
      So the availability of blood depends directly on the desires of the State Department, the Ambassador of the United States in Ukraine, and not by the headlessness of the opposition.
      1. invisibility
        invisibility 9 February 2014 07: 58
        +1
        No, not bullshit. I agree with you that those who pull the strings are serious people.
        But to arrange a bloody bath, and even a baud sideways with Russia, for them this is an important goal.
        And the headlessness of the opposition (although what the x ... this is the opposition!) Only increases the chances of shedding a lot of blood.
      2. Arhj
        Arhj 9 February 2014 08: 55
        +5
        Quote: mirag2
        Yes bullshit
        The opposition will not tear each other up, there regarding this "opposition" - the puppeteers behind are serious - they will tell Yatsenyuk to leave, they will leave, they will tell Klitschko to leave, they will leave.
        So the availability of blood depends directly on the desires of the State Department, the Ambassador of the United States in Ukraine, and not by the headlessness of the opposition.

        The invisible is right, this is not rubbish at all. As a rule, a revolution is made by rabble, which unites only the desire to throw off power. When power is defeated, a new round of struggle for power begins, but already among themselves. So it was in Russia in 1917 and in France during the Great French Revolution.
        Here they will not overthrow the power, but you must admit it is a shame when "we go to Berkut, and the cash flows are concentrated in the hands of freedom, which does not go to Berkut." Is this not a reason to "clean the face" Tyagnibok
      3. avt
        avt 9 February 2014 11: 27
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        This is a very common story of ALL revolutions.

        Unlike the classical revolutions, well, as we are at 17m, there is completely no real political force guiding the process.
        Quote: mirag2
        Yes bullshit
        The opposition will not tear each other up, there regarding this "opposition" - the puppeteers behind are serious - they will tell Yatsenyuk to leave, they will leave, they will tell Klitschko to leave, they will leave.
        So the availability of blood depends directly on the desires of the State Department, the Ambassador of the United States in Ukraine, and not by the headlessness of the opposition.

        Briefly, but rightly noted. To all those who disagree, I recommend listening to the fragment posted on the Internet and well covered in the press of the conversation of Vicky Nuland, the very one who fed the Carbonarii with cookies on Maydown, well, where did she swear to the EU, when she was deciding who and where put oppikov.
        Quote: invisible
        But to arrange a bloody bath, and even a baud sideways with Russia, for them this is an important goal.

        Quote: Arhj
        The invisible is right, this is not rubbish at all.

        You run into him in vain, he sometimes talks about the cause, and you about the effect. At the same time, do not contradict each other - you supplement. Naturally, the owners and organizers of the process of the "color revolution" can bring all this operetta, maydaunny shalman to a lot of blood. the role of firewood in the fanning fire, and how many of them will burn - "for common people - the bearers of freedom and democracy" deep down in the phalos.
        1. invisibility
          invisibility 9 February 2014 13: 00
          0
          Quote: avt
          You run into him in vain

          What are you! We do not run over, and discuss. And with you and with mirag2 I agree in principle.
          Just in such matters can not be a trifle nonsense.
          And I refuse to call this bylord a revolution! A revolution implies a program, and not just a political one, as you noted.
          1. Slavapom
            Slavapom 9 February 2014 14: 07
            +2
            I beg you, is there a revolution in Ukraine ?! This is just a misunderstanding, which has not yet been dispersed due to the negligent inactivity of the Ukrainian authorities. There are no analogies with the same year 1917 in this situation, for the simple reason that the revolution takes place in a limited period of time / 5-7 days / after which, if the planned goals are not achieved, the revolution ceases to be a banal pogrom, which is actually we are now watching. However, the current situation of the 'great standing' has its positive aspects, namely:
            - the impotence of the so-called opposition, which itself does not know what it needs, as the prime minister demanded, the prime minister removed the president, suggested the opposition take charge of the rule, and they turned on the back immediately, and why are they asked better than the current government? but only by the fact that when they come to the feeding trough, the authorities will steal the still not stolen.
            - This article already speaks about the split of these oppositionists, and this is not the end.
            - This standing showed what nationalists are, in all their glory.
  3. shelva
    shelva 9 February 2014 06: 57
    +5
    Cunning Westernizers will merge the penetrating Nazis and nominate "furry democrats" - Freedom. Is there really a fool in the world who will believe in the disinterestedness of these curtsies.
  4. Igor39
    Igor39 9 February 2014 07: 23
    +5
    Either give them the opportunity to destroy each other or disperse troops, I personally do not see other options.
    1. trenitron
      trenitron 9 February 2014 07: 43
      +4
      Of course you can provide the opportunity to destroy, but there is an option that in this case they will still have time to do a lot. Therefore, the second option with dispersal by troops, and then with cleansing by special services is more suitable
      1. Shumer
        Shumer 9 February 2014 18: 42
        +1
        Yanukovych managed to the fullest, showed his cowardice, weak-minded he. Correctly, Lukashenko said - give me two days and there will be an exemplary order.
        Yes, and the SBU looked horseradish knows where to spoil this.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 10 February 2014 18: 02
          0
          Ukraine under external management. What are you talking about .. What surprises you?

          When pride appears in any of the presidents, the desire to change something - they immediately poke his nose in the shit. Showing him who he is and what exactly 1,5% of 100 depends on his decisions.

          In Russia, the situation was exactly the same, and now we are under external control in many areas.

          It surprises me that it surprises someone else.

          And in Ukraine, things are so sad in the economy and in everything else not because of Yanukovych - and not because of Yushchenko - they are exactly 1,5% here. As a scarecrow in the garden from the ravens, it seems that it is - only to sense from him ...

          One of the SBU issues was handed over shoulder straps by the US ambassador - what kind of coordinated work this unit is talking about. There is now an internal conflict between those who lay down to the west, and those who remained faithful to the oath. The situation is reminiscent of the Maidan as such.

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  5. delfinN
    delfinN 9 February 2014 07: 48
    +3
    In Syria, opposition groups are cutting each other’s heads, so these aren’t all LOST (literally)
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 9 February 2014 08: 58
      +1
      It remains to wait for the poles with their heads to appear on the perimeter of the "Maidan", in the "dark Middle Ages" winked
  6. Deniska999
    Deniska999 9 February 2014 07: 55
    +5
    This opposition is the enemies of their people.
    1. alone
      alone 9 February 2014 11: 05
      0
      Quote: Deniska999
      This opposition is the enemies of their people.

      Yes, it seems, and the government is not far behind the opposition)))
  7. Sanyht
    Sanyht 9 February 2014 08: 12
    +9
    UPA and BENDER must be annexed to Europe and settled in Auschwitz ... as a memory of their * glorious * and hard work for the benefit of Ukraine! And the leaders should be sent to their homeland, that is, to the place where they pay taxes on laundered bucks.
  8. ilya_82
    ilya_82 9 February 2014 08: 18
    +12
    crisis in Ukraine is easy to solve: give out cartridges to Berkut
  9. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 February 2014 08: 38
    +7
    Well, you know, when all this fuss began with the adoption and abolition of laws, I had the impression that this is just a game of giveaway between the government and the opposition. That is, both of them pull nishtyaki themselves, taking advantage of the mess on the Maidan. This is hoh ... Ukrainians, EPT.)) Russia immediately stopped this and put the issue of nishtyaks under control. But Europe expects a lot of wonderful revelations ... And maybe Europe kicks drive Ukraine into the CU (well, of course this is fantasy) so that it would never, ever have the possibility of entering Europe.))
  10. Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex 9 February 2014 08: 39
    +18
    Bandera coven for easy money. God forbid such power to let. Masks of nationalists were put on their faces, and they received money in a foreign land from foreign sponsors. A shame!
    1. avt
      avt 9 February 2014 13: 33
      +3
      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
      Bandera coven for easy money. God forbid such power to let. Masks of nationalists were put on their faces, and they received money in a foreign land from foreign sponsors. A shame!

      laughing good But the collage is cool! To the very point, it fully corresponds to the actions and way of thinking of the three "impostors" whom the "common people" are moving into power. Precisely that the Coward is already in power, the seasoned inveterate Natsik and Goonies who are being twisted due to the lack of a brain.
  11. washi
    washi 9 February 2014 08: 42
    +2
    I liked the expression: "Ukrainians are a very powerful people, because our history is full of nails that we hammered into the coffin of another empire that pulled us over. We are like acid we eat away at the organism we get into - the Commonwealth, Russia, the Soviet Union. "
    http://hvylya.org/interview/politics2/zakat-vtoroy-ukrainskoy-respubliki.html
    Interesting article on Khvil
  12. konvalval
    konvalval 9 February 2014 09: 11
    +2
    These spiders in the jar will gnaw each other, and the fruits of destabilization near us will rip off our enemies.
  13. washi
    washi 9 February 2014 09: 17
    +1
    The ruling party of Germany - the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) has tightened its attitude to the crisis in Ukraine. In particular, The CDU decided to demand sanctions against the Ukrainian authorities if the chaos deepens.

    This was reported by Deutsche Welle after a decision adopted in a resolution by the CDU federal board today, February 8th.
    “If the Ukrainian leadership continues to refuse basic civil rights, then we will advocate for the international community to impose sanctions on individuals and against oppressors,” the resolution says.
    I completely agree with this. It is time to use force against those who do not allow residents of Kiev, and the rest of Ukraine to live and work calmly, those who bring chaos to the work of legitimate state power.
    1. Major_Vortex
      Major_Vortex 9 February 2014 09: 43
      0
      The essence of the "oppressed" in one article: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1764453.html
  14. Makyr
    Makyr 9 February 2014 09: 53
    +3
    Quote: mirag2
    Yes bullshit
    The opposition will not tear each other up, there regarding this "opposition" - the puppeteers behind are serious - they will tell Yatsenyuk to leave, they will leave, they will tell Klitschko to leave, they will leave.
    So the availability of blood depends directly on the desires of the State Department, the Ambassador of the United States in Ukraine, and not by the headlessness of the opposition.
    Klitschko is supported by the German CDU / CSU party and the Konrad Adenauer Foundation, Yatsenyuk is financed by Firtash, Tyagnibok is fed by the American Foundation for the Struggle for Democracy.
    We will see how the spider-in-a-jar pursuit of democracy ends.
  15. bbss
    bbss 9 February 2014 09: 54
    +2
    Write correctly: IN UKRAINE!
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 February 2014 09: 59
      +6
      Quote: bbss
      Write correctly: IN UKRAINE!
      And this is our age-old question "where is it better to send" B "or" ON "..." And then he got such a development ... And divided people ...
    2. 222222
      222222 9 February 2014 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: bbss
      Write correctly: IN UKRAINE!

      "The problem of a preposition in Ukraine and in Ukraine is a symbolic political and linguistic problem of using a preposition in the norms of modern literary Russian and Ukrainian languages, which has existed since 1993. According to the Vinogradov Russian Language Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, in 1993 the Ukrainian government demanded that regulatory options in Ukraine and from Ukraine to obtain "linguistic confirmation of their status as a sovereign state" .. "
      Of course, it is better to be "ON" than "B" .....
      ..the topic of prepositions is well disclosed http://www.memoid.ru/node/%C2%ABV_Ukraine%C2%BB_ili_%C2%ABna_Ukraine%C2%BB%3A_pr
      oblema_predloga
  16. calocha
    calocha 9 February 2014 10: 19
    +4
    The eastern regions need to organize themselves and rally more than ever before the threat of Bendera.
  17. 222222
    222222 9 February 2014 10: 49
    +5
    "where there are two Ukrainians, there are three hetmans"
    What is the split? A split can be where there was unity, a monolith ...
    And unity has never been in history, neither now in the nationalist movement, nor in the so-called APPazitsiya for 23 years of its existence .. IT WAS NOT, IS NOT AND WILL NOT BE .. There is little room for the trough of power ....
  18. PValery53
    PValery53 9 February 2014 10: 50
    +2
    Interesting business. Three streams of opposition, all are fed by foreign "sponsors of democracy", the legitimate government "does not itch" in order to bring 10-50 people from the Americans and the EU to criminal responsibility for provoking a rebellion. Are they there, completely lost their scent?!. How the EU and the US would screech when their co-workers are serving time for violating the laws of Ukraine! - Looks like Yanukovych himself is on a hook in the West, since he is so openly "chewing on the contents of his nose", in a metered manner following the lead of both the West and Russia. How long will he sit on two chairs?!.
    1. st.lt
      st.lt 11 February 2014 21: 20
      0
      Well, where is he stolen? He will twitch a little and grandmas will freeze or take away
  19. muhomor
    muhomor 9 February 2014 11: 02
    +1
    Yes, there will be no split in the ranks of the opposition. They have one cash register, and therefore roles are distributed. As the directors command, so be it.
  20. Pehmore
    Pehmore 9 February 2014 11: 15
    +4
    How tired of all this, banderlogs are not banderlogs, right. Some kind of movie. If only they are on the Maidan, (I didn’t see the normal ones there), then isolate them like in a bank of spiders, let them eat themselves up. The people will only breathe more freely, because the vast majority of Ukrainians do not need the atrocities of the Nazis.
    1. leemann
      leemann 9 February 2014 16: 11
      0
      are you crazy too if you went there?
  21. gych
    gych 9 February 2014 11: 24
    +3
    Yes, to the skating rink of all chaos! Let them spend their energy there in the mines in the Donbass, at least some benefit from them will be
  22. parus2nik
    parus2nik 9 February 2014 11: 54
    +1
    History repeats itself: UPA-Bulby, UPA-Bandera, UPA-Melnik ..
  23. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 9 February 2014 12: 06
    +3
    Quote: ilya_82
    crisis in Ukraine is easy to solve: give out cartridges to Berkut

    It is not even necessary to hand out the cartridges. It is enough to GIVE AN ORDER. And then "Berkut" will take away the entire Maidan in paddy wagons and deliver the Banderlog to the monkeys. In the course of these activities someone will be smeared. Purely democratizers.
    1. leemann
      leemann 9 February 2014 15: 21
      -2
      you are crazy ...
  24. Oleksandr
    Oleksandr 9 February 2014 14: 55
    +3
    Svoboda's program says:
    31. Allow us to be mentally healthy and unstoppable to the bulk of Ukraine by forcefully nabuvati and volodni vognepalnoy and cold zbroєyu.

    Transfer
    31. Allow all mentally healthy and convicted citizens of Ukraine to freely acquire and possess firearms and cold steel.

    This is approved, and then you can open a discussion about: fascism, monuments, federalization, statehood of Ukraine and other
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    1. Michael_59
      Michael_59 9 February 2014 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: leemann
      this whole forum

      trololo, why are you?
    2. SSR
      SSR 9 February 2014 15: 34
      +5
      What did you use?
      You have your own problems and Russia is to blame? Yuscha and oranzhoidnuyu you who arranged Vovka Putin? Was it Russia that pushed Yushchenko to heroize Banderlog and fascists? This is Putin tyril transit gas? The western part of Ukraine, like logs, always whines and groans accusing everyone that they have a face in a ram, "and eat a fish and hand over bones."
      We must work and do not need to engage in self-delusion.
      What do you dislike about the forum, so that forum users are telling the truth?
      Your comment resembles the brain of a man smoothed out by fascist propaganda with just some cliches, slogans and no specifics.
  26. leemann
    leemann 9 February 2014 15: 24
    -2
    for me, a citizen of Ukraine, it is not clear who you call Bandera?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 February 2014 15: 28
      +5
      Quote: leemann
      for me, a citizen of Ukraine, it is not clear who you call Bandera?

      Yes, it’s hard. crying
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 9 February 2014 15: 40
      +3
      Quote: leemann
      for me, a citizen of Ukraine, it is not clear who you call Bandera?
      And you yourself, not in the house?
      1. leemann
        leemann 9 February 2014 15: 54
        -1
        you cannot even answer - because you don’t understand what you are writing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 February 2014 15: 57
          +5
          Quote: leemann
          you can’t even answer - because you don’t understand what you are writing

          Yeah yeah don't understand lol and therefore do not answer stupid questions.
          What did not put on avow Bandera or Shukevich? - you are not a patriot angry
          1. bibet
            bibet 9 February 2014 19: 16
            -4
            you are a Russian chauvinist
    3. zzz
      zzz 9 February 2014 16: 02
      +4
      Quote: leemann
      for me, a citizen of Ukraine, it is not clear who you call Bandera?


      The main regions that are struck by Bandera are Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil. Vera, as a rule, is Catholic, not Orthodox. In these regions, young Bandera are mainly fighting and resisting. It’s hard to understand with whom and what. The main enemies for them are Moses (i.e., Russians), and Yanukovych and Putin in particular. Bandera organize marches of dissent for any reason, heroically destroy monuments to those who defeated fascism, wave red and black flags, wear a portrait of Bandera, as I understand it, they want to define this portrait in a red corner as an icon, and also put it and the German invaders monuments, for the fact that they killed the Ukrainian and Russian Slavs, and in every possible way agitate the youth in their ranks. Maybe someone will add something to make a complete portrait?
      1. st.lt
        st.lt 11 February 2014 21: 26
        0
        shit on the Maidan, seize administrative buildings, squeal "glory to heroes", impose on the rest of Ukraine the Galician surzhik under the guise of the Ukrainian language (the word is a member of the masculine gender, but a "member of the family" appeared; it is not clear, is this something "a bull with ... a star?)
  27. OPTR
    OPTR 9 February 2014 15: 32
    +3
    the appearance of the “Right Sector” is a completely natural consequence of the long-term self-isolation of the authorities from dialogue with the public

    What does the author of the article understand by "dialogue with the people"?
    Why should the right ideology disappear from this or change its goals? She will be satisfied with the good of the people, only right-wing forces strive for this?
    At the beginning of events, the Right Sector was indeed declared (especially in foreign media) a group of radical football fans.
    This disguised the essence. Fans are clear and not very dangerous.
    Gradually, something else began to emerge:
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%B5%
    D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80

    The author is too optimistic about the "split" of the opposition. The real opposition (the one who organizes everything) simply uses different instruments, different persons. What is the split here? The author does not write anything about the seizure of the building of the Ministry of Justice by the same "Spilnaya Spravoy" under the leadership of Danilyuk. The building was vacated after a call from Interior Minister Zakharchenko to the US Ambassador. And Danilyuk was safely in London. Is this a split?
  28. Starshina wmf
    Starshina wmf 9 February 2014 15: 35
    +5
    "Confirmation of this is the rather successful opposition to Berkut" "Berkut" has not yet begun.
    1. leemann
      leemann 9 February 2014 15: 56
      -1
      probably will not start, the golden eagle will be eliminated with the advent of the new government
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 February 2014 15: 59
        +7
        Quote: leemann
        golden eagle will be eliminated with the advent of a new government

        The new government in Washington has not yet been agreed, because there will be a golden eagle. You are not lucky laughing
        1. leemann
          leemann 9 February 2014 16: 14
          -1
          it’s not interesting to talk with a person for whom the whole state of the United States with his people is an enemy
  29. leemann
    leemann 9 February 2014 16: 02
    0
    Quote: SSR
    The western part of Ukraine, like logs, always aches and moans accusing everyone that they have a muzzle in the ram

    you can’t even speak normally about western Ukraine, what will you talk about next? all western Ukraine is for you - Bandera and Zapadentsy, but there live people who came from Russia after the Second World War and do not share your opinion that they are Bandera
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 February 2014 16: 12
      +4
      Quote: leemann
      but there live people who came from Russia after the Second World War and

      That is, Russians live in Ukraine and Russians are now standing on the maidan wassat
      1. bibet
        bibet 9 February 2014 19: 18
        -2
        why comments delete that in free Russia you can write only what they say ??
  30. leemann
    leemann 9 February 2014 16: 16
    0
    yes, you will not believe, on the Maidan there are citizens of Ukraine of Russian origin who live in western Ukraine
  31. leemann
    leemann 9 February 2014 16: 25
    0
    The main regions that are struck by Bandera are Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil. Vera, as a rule, is Catholic, not Orthodox. In these regions, young Bandera are mainly fighting and resisting. It’s hard to understand with whom and what. The main enemies for them are Moses (i.e., Russians), and Yanukovych and Putin in particular. Bandera organize marches of dissent for any reason, heroically destroy monuments to those who defeated fascism, wave red and black flags, wear a portrait of Bandera, as I understand it, they want to define this portrait in a red corner as an icon, and also put it and the German invaders monuments, for the fact that they killed the Ukrainian and Russian Slavs, and in every possible way agitate the youth in their ranks. Maybe someone will add something to make a complete portrait?
    thank you brother for not calling me Bandera, honestly, respect to you, although I live on the right bank of the Dnieper, you are wrong about faith - most are Orthodox, believe me, look at the number of Orthodox and Catholic churches, well, I haven’t seen the monument to the German occupiers anywhere, can you tell me where it stands?
  32. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 9 February 2014 16: 26
    +2
    hopes that the conflict, which lasts in Ukraine for more than three months, will be settled peacefully, is becoming less and less. And this should already be feared by the same “Freedom” if it wants to maintain its position and be able to somehow influence the government. And from here a rather simple conclusion - opposition forces continue they will compete with each other, and the rivalry will not be peaceful ...

    This already happened in the "Third Reich", when the SS men of Adolf Hitler, having seized power, massacred their former fellow attack aircraft, the homosexual Ernst Rem.
    Ukraine is now Geyropa.
  33. leemann
    leemann 9 February 2014 16: 28
    0
    Quote: leemann
    The main enemies for them are Moscoli (i.e., Russians), and Yanukovych and Putin in particular

    probably Tarash Shevchenko was also a Bandera member - after all, he wrote "Kokhaitesya chornobrovі, she doesn’t have to grin ..." laughing
  34. theadenter
    theadenter 9 February 2014 16: 32
    +2
    As soon as Ukraine used forces to disperse the rally, the rally participants would immediately identify the enemy — the government and pro-government structures. Only the endurance of the authorities and law enforcement agencies allows the rally members to get to know each other better.
  35. engen89
    engen89 9 February 2014 16: 36
    +2
    Quote: Vasya
    I liked the expression: "Ukrainians are a very powerful people, because our history is full of nails that we hammered into the coffin of another empire that pulled us over. We are like acid we eat away at the organism we get into - the Commonwealth, Russia, the Soviet Union. "
    http://hvylya.org/interview/politics2/zakat-vtoroy-ukrainskoy-respubliki.html
    Interesting article on Khvil


    Then send them to Europe, let them do their favorite thing there)))
    1. bibet
      bibet 9 February 2014 19: 14
      -2
      but it’s better not to go about your business, comrade, do the affairs of Russia
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 9 February 2014 20: 56
        +3
        Tambov Wolf is your friend.
      2. yur
        yur 10 February 2014 00: 17
        0
        And with what fright, comrade, then you climb onto a Russian site?
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  37. pawel57
    pawel57 9 February 2014 17: 12
    +4
    After reading articles and comments. watching various videos, it comes to mind that it’s not so easy to blame Russia, Klitschko, Yunukovich, the European Union with amers, Jews, Bandera, Germans with Poles, and radicals, both left and right. Here everything is entwined in a tight knot, everyone pursues their own interests: the German creates 4 Reichs based on Ukraine, the Poles the great Poland from sea to sea at the expense of Ukraine, the Americans base in Sevostopol and the destruction of the Russian Federation without fraternal Ukraine; EU elimination of competitors, new territories, sales markets, white slaves and beautiful prostitutes, logistics; Jews robbery of Ukrainians and as a way of the people’s existence; Russia has the Black Sea ports, bases, Crimea, industrial territories and factories given to Khrushchev by the Ukrainian SSR, a friendly state, Bandera and radicals Independent Ukraine with various variations, Klitschko to remain a significant person by moving from sports to politics. Probably the people did not work out and the country Ukraine cannot exist. The German only in the 19th century was able to unite in the German and state people, the French under Reshchel finally under Napoleon. Fights in the Rada went to the streets of Kiev and then smoothly to the country. Probably need to split up. Crimea and the industrial part of modern Ukrainian. return to the Russian Federation (this is not theirs), the center and the west of 2 states. Western Ukrainian. it will not last even a month and will be privatized by Poland, Slovakia and Hungary. Let the zapadentsy democratize on the plantations of the European Union, and the Poles will get a headache from the Bandera partisans. The center is the capital of Kiev, even a Ukrainian. they brew moonshine, bite with bacon and onion, curse the damned m .... and live like gigolos and pimps sending their daughters and wives to EU brothels for work, fight in the Rada and Maidan, they go abroad with an outstretched hand. Let the inhabitants of Ukraine live separately, winter the troubled times, look around and decide how best. Section can prevent a civil war and, in general, a war in Europe. In Russia, a fire also breaks out. Who knows, Kiev, in a new historical round, will become the center of a pan-Slavic state on the shores of 3 oceans.
  38. santush
    santush 9 February 2014 17: 52
    +2
    My God, when is this mess in Ukraine already suppressed?
  39. Ustian
    Ustian 9 February 2014 17: 55
    +6
    Confirmation of this is a fairly successful confrontation with the Golden Eagle.
    What kind of confrontation?
    I would have seen how they - "Right pruner" fluttered if "Berkut" started working in active mode! angry
  40. mealnik2005
    mealnik2005 9 February 2014 18: 19
    +2
    "... much more approval from the public, even from the most apolitical of its representatives, is caused by more radical groups -" Spilna on the Right "and" Right Sector ", which attack special forces and seize administration buildings."

    I have not read more nonsense yet.
  41. disa
    disa 9 February 2014 18: 54
    +2
    Antique Europe again brandishes a two-meter sword of the Crusaders in its antique shop screaming "Dranch nach Osten" and is not afraid of a stupid one to get a bullet in the forehead from the adjacent territory from a sniper rifle. She thinks this is the twelfth century, not the twenty-first. This is an old woman's insanity ... and a quiet madness, to feed the militants-zapadentsi at their side in the hope of solving their problem of impoverishment. The descendants of the SS Legion "Galicia" will gladly rob everyone .. they have the same genetic code now. Let's help the old woman come to her senses ??? wassat
    1. bibet
      bibet 9 February 2014 19: 11
      -4
      Marazmatik is you my friend
      1. disa
        disa 9 February 2014 19: 32
        +1
        ... hungry wolves differ from well-fed wolves only in ferocity, and so, even "an awl for soap" can not be called. Wonderful, hardworking, wonderful people are zapadentsi who are trabo gesheftu, so it is necessary to take away and divide ... between our own ... and someone else is still blathering about a fair, free, civil Ukraine ... they say, no nepotism, no corruption, no kickbacks. .ni-no ... only the tap will be divided and further no-no laughing not to mention the really gangster methods of seizing power that are broadcast on all television channels of the world, that is, you don’t even need to prove anything, and so everything is visible to everyone.

        eat friend on health laughing This is about the seizure by your freedom-loving people from the Maidan of a gas distribution station in the west of Ukraine. An address to the people of one of your Maydan people will be sent to you for reading ???
        1. bibet
          bibet 9 February 2014 21: 11
          -4
          among these zapadents your migrant brothers from Russia
          1. disa
            disa 9 February 2014 21: 32
            +5
            They are not my brothers ... you are wrong friend ... I am not on the side of the Nazis, I do not call for the removal of the children and wives of the "Berkut", I do not throw Molotov cocktails into my policemen, although I admit that the police are guaranteed better than the police, I do not call to seize strategic objects to dictate the terms of Russia, I do not talk about freedom using violence. Your parents do not bless you for your actions, but you go across and thus anger God, not observing the commandment to honor your father and mother ... YOU ARE REFINEDS. Here is a link to my attitude towards you and she has been for more than one year ... eat ... then Ukraine was not yet on fire -You were wrong - you are not my brothers - you are enemies - who will sooner or later have to be forced into peace.

            http://topwar.ru/8367-ukraina-i-rossiya-ili-kto-zhe-razvalil-sssr.html#comment-i
            d-68056
      2. disa
        disa 9 February 2014 22: 27
        +1
        .. how quickly you "grow" with us, my friend ... in the minus ... read the link from kudrev ... we actually are not yet against your freedom from us, we are against the civil war ... understand my friend. ...
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 10 February 2014 09: 50
      +1
      Quote: disa
      Antique Europe again brandishes a two-meter sword of the Crusaders in its antique shop screaming "Dranch nach Osten" and is not afraid of a stupid one to get a bullet in the forehead from the adjacent territory from a sniper rifle. She thinks this is the twelfth century, not the twenty-first. This is an old woman's insanity ... and a quiet madness, to feed the militants-zapadentsi at their side in the hope of solving their problem of impoverishment. The descendants of the SS Legion "Galicia" will gladly rob everyone .. they have the same genetic code now. Let's help the old woman come to her senses ???

      If we speak without hypocritical respect, then two-thousand-year-old Russia is 3-4 times older than the "old woman" Geyropa, if we compare the age of states.
      Compared to Russia, Europe is still a snotty girl who does not have a mind, honor or conscience, constantly turns her backside, shoots and throws herself at people. Just recently, geyropeytsy brutally killed Milosevic and Gaddafi.
      1. disa
        disa 10 February 2014 22: 02
        0
        Antique .. not in the sense of ancient. Antique in the sense of antique junk. laughing
        It was necessary to put the old woman in quotation marks as if in a stall. Without them, that's why it turned out not quite correctly lol
    3. st.lt
      st.lt 11 February 2014 21: 32
      0
      By the way, the OUN-UPA were created under the brand of fighting the Polish occupation. It was after the annexation to the Ukrainian SSR that they began to fight the communists (and then with the "yami")
  42. bibet
    bibet 9 February 2014 19: 02
    -9
    Quote: pawel57
    After reading articles and comments. watching various videos, it comes to mind that it’s not so easy to blame Russia, Klitschko, Yunukovich, the European Union with amers, Jews, Bandera, Germans with Poles, and radicals, both left and right. Here everything is entwined in a tight knot, everyone pursues their own interests: the German creates 4 Reichs based on Ukraine, the Poles the great Poland from sea to sea at the expense of Ukraine, the Americans base in Sevostopol and the destruction of the Russian Federation without fraternal Ukraine; EU elimination of competitors, new territories, sales markets, white slaves and beautiful prostitutes, logistics; Jews robbery of Ukrainians and as a way of the people’s existence; Russia has the Black Sea ports, bases, Crimea, industrial territories and factories given to Khrushchev by the Ukrainian SSR, a friendly state, Bandera and radicals Independent Ukraine with various variations, Klitschko to remain a significant person by moving from sports to politics. Probably the people did not work out and the country Ukraine cannot exist. The German only in the 19th century was able to unite in the German and state people, the French under Reshchel finally under Napoleon. Fights in the Rada went to the streets of Kiev and then smoothly to the country. Probably need to split up. Crimea and the industrial part of modern Ukrainian. return to the Russian Federation (this is not theirs), the center and the west of 2 states. Western Ukrainian. it will not last even a month and will be privatized by Poland, Slovakia and Hungary. Let the zapadentsy democratize on the plantations of the European Union, and the Poles will get a headache from the Bandera partisans. The center is the capital of Kiev, even a Ukrainian. they brew moonshine, bite with bacon and onion, curse the damned m .... and live like gigolos and pimps sending their daughters and wives to EU brothels for work, fight in the Rada and Maidan, they go abroad with an outstretched hand. Let the inhabitants of Ukraine live separately, winter the troubled times, look around and decide how best. Section can prevent a civil war and, in general, a war in Europe. In Russia, a fire also breaks out. Who knows, Kiev, in a new historical round, will become the center of a pan-Slavic state on the shores of 3 oceans.

    Crimea and the industrial part of modern Ukrainian. to return to the Russian Federation (this is not theirs) - Russia is seriously ill with such idiots as you, in 1917 the plague came to power, which continues to this day with the center in Moscow
    you contrasted yourself with almost the whole world - a fabulous paranoia
    1. DMB-78
      DMB-78 9 February 2014 19: 41
      +6
      Quote: bibet
      opposed almost the whole world - fabulous paranoia

      Well, America and the geyropa are not the whole world. but they don’t like us for an understandable reason. we never licked them an anal hole. but you who just didn’t lick. and now your maidan is controlled as puppets. The State Department is already deciding. what to do and how to do it. mongrels from all over Europe came running to you on the Maidan to teach you how to live. Yes, let it be only in Russia whoever sticks with such advice, will fly overtaking his own screech. when we got rid of you 23 years ago, we did the Olympics. for 23 years you could not do anything except the stinking maidan.
      1. bibet
        bibet 9 February 2014 20: 57
        -2
        but who needs you, lick your medveputins if you want to, for you personally - in 2012 we had euro 2012, and for 50 billion dollars you can do more than one olympiad, although a third was stolen, oh well
        1. sinukvl
          sinukvl 9 February 2014 22: 52
          0
          And you don’t look into someone else’s pocket, you understand yours.
        2. yur
          yur 10 February 2014 00: 33
          0
          Well, at least we have that $ 50 billion. Yes! I almost forgot, we found 15 lards for you, on "needles".
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 9 February 2014 19: 44
      +2
      But Ukraine is "rich" with such "samovRodkami" as you!
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 10 February 2014 09: 28
        0
        Quote: ia-ai00
        But Ukraine is "rich" with such "samovRodkami" as you!


        and such "rich" Ukraine and is still proud of them -

        "Today, January 22, on the Day of the Unity of Ukraine, President Viktor Yushchenko signed decree No. 46/2010 on conferring the title of Hero of Ukraine (posthumously) on the chairman of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, politician Stepan Bandera," the ZIK was told in the press service of the head of state. "
  43. bibet
    bibet 9 February 2014 19: 12
    -7
    Quote: Corsair5912
    hopes that the conflict, which lasts in Ukraine for more than three months, will be settled peacefully, is becoming less and less. And this should already be feared by the same “Freedom” if it wants to maintain its position and be able to somehow influence the government. And from here a rather simple conclusion - opposition forces continue they will compete with each other, and the rivalry will not be peaceful ...

    This already happened in the "Third Reich", when the SS men of Adolf Hitler, having seized power, massacred their former fellow attack aircraft, the homosexual Ernst Rem.
    Ukraine is now Geyropa.

    you seem to be too fucking homosexual ...
  44. bibet
    bibet 9 February 2014 19: 22
    -3
    how many comments deleted ... apparently this is a forum of Russian special services
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 9 February 2014 19: 31
      +8
      Quote: bibet
      how many comments deleted

      forgot to supplement, contrary to the Rules of HE.
      Quote: bibet
      Apparently this forum Russian special services

      Do you also rank me as a Russian special service ?! laughing
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 9 February 2014 19: 37
        +4
        Quote: Apollon
        Quote: bibet
        Apparently this forum Russian special services

        Do you also rank me as a Russian special service ?! laughing

        Apollo, but what about, on any Marshal of the FSB! Get out and epaulets under the avatar corresponding laughing
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 9 February 2014 19: 41
          +4
          Quote: Sid.74
          Apollo,

          Good evening Eugene hi
          Quote: Sid.74
          but how, according to any FSB Marshal! Look and epaulettes under the avatar corresponding

          If I had stayed in Russia in due time and would not have come to this madhouse where I am currently, I would not be a virtual marshal, but an acting general, like some of my fellow students.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 9 February 2014 20: 04
            +3
            Quote: Apollon
            If I had stayed in Russia in due time and would not have come to this madhouse where I am currently, I would not be a virtual marshal, but an acting general, like some of my fellow students.

            Apollo hi It’s a pity of course, but let me tell you, being on the VO website is a very important and necessary person! Without you probably on the VO, the third world has already begun!
          2. bibet
            bibet 9 February 2014 21: 31
            -4
            Wow, the moderator is from the country ........deleted by the moderator Apollo, it’s never too late to return home, with respect
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    4. Gecko
      Gecko 9 February 2014 19: 39
      +6
      bibet - Running into a provocateur.
      Go support your mandan on your Ukrainian sites and on the Move.
      And to prove that the Russians are flawed by definition on the Russian patriotic website, no one will let you. Shkolota you ................deleted by moderator Apollo
    5. Corsair
      Corsair 9 February 2014 21: 48
      +4
      Quote: bibet
      how many comments deleted ... apparently this is a forum of Russian special services
      Do not LA ...
      Just because the comments are not deleted (personally verified lol ), apparently there is a reason related to violations of the rules of VO ...
      Living by the MAIDAN RULES will not work here ...
  45. alexsey7777
    alexsey7777 9 February 2014 19: 41
    -1
    Namely, you and other Russian media are not tired of covering the events taking place in Urkain ?! Personally already tired, as well as many. Let the fat-eaters butt. The fewer there are, the less will be required .. rusgas, and accordingly less belly for knocking out debts from these rogue, who themselves ruined their industry. Is it a joke, if so, as a retreat, trolleybuses and trams and metro cars are purchased from Russia and Belarus, and the locals are sent nafig, not even taking into account their claims, they say they are buying abroad, and the locals are in the "top" ... hints that the Orthodox local almost dead industry is producing ... Donbass with their waste heaps is a celebrity in the minus order ... With the continuing trend, when in 10 years almost 10 million Urkains suddenly disappeared, who died and who left the Orthodox Yanyk, looks at the remnants of the remnants you know what ... Fight further, Europe and Russia and Belarus are waiting for this piece of land to be torn apart, since nobody canceled the peaceful intervention ...
    1. bibet
      bibet 9 February 2014 21: 14
      -3
      peaceful intervention from the Russian Federation-this is another bloody massacre
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 9 February 2014 21: 54
        +5
        Quote: bibet
        peaceful intervention from the Russian Federation-this is another bloody massacre

        You have a chance to become the best fallen hero for "Salo Ukraine" laughing
        1. bibet
          bibet 9 February 2014 22: 55
          -2
          patriot, you have an American nickname soldier
      2. yur
        yur 10 February 2014 00: 43
        +2
        Do not forget the diapers, fighter.
  46. shelva
    shelva 9 February 2014 20: 28
    +5
    Unlike Ukraine, Libya was a prosperous country, the only one on the continent. This is an occasion to think twice to all zapadentsev what Nezalezhnaya will turn into.
    I think there are few among the truly Russian people who wish Ukraine adversity.
    1. bibet
      bibet 9 February 2014 21: 33
      -4
      do not compare Libya and Ukraine, they are generally different
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 9 February 2014 21: 36
        +4
        Quote: bibet
        do not compare Libya and Ukraine, they are generally different

        Different, but the mattresses and their minions in the drum.
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      1. Apollo
        Apollo 9 February 2014 21: 17
        +2
        Quote: alexsey7777
        alexsey7777

        Quote: bibet
        bibet

        You can share the views of the head of state or vice versa.
        Please mention the name of the head of state as it should. Otherwise, you will be very disappointed.
        1. bibet
          bibet 9 February 2014 21: 25
          -1
          ok accepted
  48. bibet
    bibet 9 February 2014 21: 06
    -2
    Quote: alexsey7777
    Personally already tired, like many. Let the butchers eat. The fewer they are, the less Rusgas will be consumed .. and, accordingly, the less belly for knocking out debts from these rogues

    chauvinistic personalities like you are pulling Russia in the days of owls of the Union
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 9 February 2014 21: 55
      +1
      Quote: bibet
      chauvinistic personalities like you are pulling Russia in the days of owls of the Union

      Here you are crucifying, your line of oppression! And what have you helped Ukraine?
      Since the collapse of the USSR! How much has Ukraine decreased in millions of people? "During the years of Ukraine's independence, its population has decreased by 12 million people. This is more than the entire population of the Czech Republic," - said at a press conference in Kiev on August 21, Chairman of the Committee of Economists of Ukraine Andriy Novak , according to a REGNUM correspondent in Kiev.
      "Over the 22 of the year of independence, our population has decreased from the 52 million people to 46 due to the birth-to-death ratio. And according to the UN, there are still about 6 million Ukrainians earning abroad. In total, today we will not find more 40 million Ukrainians" - said Andrey Novak.

      Without any interference from Russia, notice in your independent affairs! Or tell me that the famine we organized! Or tell Russian special forces hidden in the woods near Kiev, raids poor citizens of Ukraine!
      1. bibet
        bibet 9 February 2014 22: 00
        -5
        All the survivors of these forests are prone to this, the purely Russian accent of the bandits was
        in vain you remembered the famine ... right now I'll carry
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 9 February 2014 22: 14
          +4
          Quote: bibet
          right now I'll carry

          Your diarrhea is noticed - sitting on the toilet broadcast? laughing
        2. Sid.74
          Sid.74 9 February 2014 22: 25
          +3
          Quote: bibet
          All the survivors of these forests are prone to this, the purely Russian accent of the bandits was
          in vain you remembered the famine ...

          You are a strange comrade, I am to you on you, you to me on you!
          Why did you decide that an alliance with Russia is a cage for you? For me, Ukraine has 52 millions of people and developed infrastructure, there were all chances to be ahead of Europe! So no, Russia doesn’t give you bad life! 23 is independent and why? Who prevents you from being independent and self-sufficient?
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 9 February 2014 22: 28
          +3
          Quote: bibet
          the bandits had a purely Russian accent

          Well what "linguist" made such a conclusion?
          For example, I, a native of Donbass, "gag" the same way as on the Don. And this same "G" "betrayed" a Ukrainian in me among my colleagues during my service in the USSR Navy, but if I wanted to, I could freely play for Donchak. ..
        4. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 9 February 2014 23: 10
          +1
          It is a pity everyone in those forests didn’t remain crawled by the debris, ehh the NKVD wished you and in vain their kindness now comes to us.
    2. sinukvl
      sinukvl 9 February 2014 23: 06
      +1
      Do not confuse chauvinism with patriotism. That you zapadnenetsov real chauvinism.
  49. alexsey7777
    alexsey7777 9 February 2014 21: 21
    +2
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: alexsey7777
    Personally already tired, like many. Let the butchers eat. The fewer they are, the less Rusgas will be consumed .. and, accordingly, the less belly for knocking out debts from these rogues

    chauvinistic personalities like you are pulling Russia in the days of owls of the Union


    And why is the Union of Republics bad? Lack of hawk in the gastric sense on the counter? And the clothes of fashionable and gadgets of Amer? But the fact that with the collapse of the great power of the USSR parasites disappeared, so that's a plus! And at the same time a minus, because then the RSFSR really had a advance. The current line of politics is understandable only to politicians.

    By the way, do not touch on the theme of Urkain in Soviet times! How they lived at the expense of Russia they are trying, but it doesn’t work. Break through credit cards ...
    1. bibet
      bibet 9 February 2014 21: 25
      -5
      Well, if the second republic lived at the expense of Russia, then the others, too, it turns out Russia was the mother fed all?
      1. sinukvl
        sinukvl 9 February 2014 23: 11
        +2
        Start to reach!
    2. st.lt
      st.lt 11 February 2014 21: 41
      0
      Well, in general, they themselves produced a lot of things, working with subcontractors from all over the USSR, and they built DneproGES together, and developed the Donbass, and s / x was quite developed
  50. bibet
    bibet 9 February 2014 21: 27
    -4
    Quote: alexsey7777
    And why is the Union of Republics bad?

    Well, for example, concentration camps
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 9 February 2014 22: 11
      +4
      Quote: bibet
      Quote: alexsey7777
      And why is the Union of Republics bad?
      Well, for example, concentration camps

      So you did not die in this concentration camp?
      1. bibet
        bibet 9 February 2014 22: 58
        -2
        you are a mentally ill person
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 9 February 2014 23: 00
          +1
          Well, you, what other camps are there for the poor Ukrainians? You still remember the myth of the Holodomor.
    2. sinukvl
      sinukvl 9 February 2014 23: 12
      +1
      Can you tell the name?