Ukraine: split of the opposition

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Ukraine: split of the opposition


The protest movement in Ukraine increasingly began to resemble Libya after Gadhafi was overthrown there and where the armed opposition forces were fighting brutally between themselves for power. In Ukraine today, the situation is approximately the same: at the end of January, the Svodobovtsy seized the building of the Ministry of Agrarian Policy and Food, which had already been seized by another opposition group, Spilny Law, and where a volunteer recruitment point was set up (so-called “assault troops” ).

The re-take-over of the building was rather tough: there is documentary evidence for this. A video from the building that was taken by storm appeared on the Internet, and shots are clearly heard on this video, not single shots, but in full bursts, as well as loose cartridges on the floor and blood stains. Moreover, according to media reports, several people were taken away by ambulances. In addition, at about the same time, another group of “Svobodovtsy” tried to seize the building of the regional administration in the city of Lviv, where opposition forces have also been stationed for a long time.

Immediately it should be noted that the reasons that prompted the representatives of "Freedom" to unexpectedly attack their own comrades in the opposition and Euromaidan are very obvious and extremely banal. Since the end of last year, the events that took place in Ukraine have been very successful for the party of Oleg Tyagnibok. Initially, the protests were massive and nationwide, in addition, a representative of the party, Eduard Leonov, became the commandant of the captured building of the city mayor's office. He was later replaced by another "svobodovets" - Ruslan Andriyko, by the way, without the consent of the participants of the Maidan. And the photos taken in the building indicate that, apart from the symbols of “Freedom,” there are no symbols of other opposition forces. This building housed hundreds of Svyatoslav the Brave.

A similar situation exists in other areas of Euromaidan activity: where in the open, where gradually "Freedom" began to sort out the main functions. So, in particular, the funds for material support of the Maidan were in the hands of the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, the representative of the same “Freedom” Mikhail Blavatsky.

Such an active position together with the participation in the protest rallies of hundreds of thousands of “Freedom” activists made it possible for the very first elections to declare their important role on the Maidan and thus increase the representation of their party in the Verkhovna Rada. By the way, the similar “focus” of “Freedom” has already been done earlier: in October 2012, at the parliamentary elections, she won almost 11 percent of votes against almost one percent in 2007. And all because “Freedom” in the public consciousness has established itself as the main radical, even despite the fact that in reality the party did not quite respond to such a description.

“Svobodovtsy” did not take part either in the seizure of buildings, in battles on Grushevskogo street, or in clashes in “Berkutovtsy”, it was very important for them to maintain the status quo. That is why, when seizures of buildings of state institutions began in many regions of Ukraine, representatives of the party began to declare that all of these were provocations of pro-government forces and that they were set up for a peaceful solution to the conflict. However, a little later, the party leadership realized that it was already enough to play moderation, because the forces on the Maidan became more radical, and the appeals of the period of the beginning of the revolution are no longer relevant. Moreover, much more approval from the public, even among the most apolitical representatives of it, is caused by more radical groups - Spilna on the right and Right Sector, which attack the special forces and seize administrative buildings. Moreover, in some mass media there appeared information that if elections were held in the country in the near future, the Right Sector would easily have managed to overcome the 5% threshold, taking some of the votes from the same Freedom.

It should be noted that the practice of transition from moderate radicalism to its more powerful manifestation in the world stories far from new. A vivid example of this is the representatives of the Greek National-Conservative Popular Orthodox Party, which during the last elections increased their results and went to parliament with triumph. And only after the crisis of 2011, they suddenly became too soft, so they lost some of the votes that neo-Nazis from the Golden Dawn had. Obviously, Freedom does not want to lose votes in this way, which explains the activization of its activists, who had previously not taken any part in street clashes.

If we talk about what this party is trying to achieve, then there are several explanations. The first is the one that enjoys great popularity among the radically-minded part of Euromaidan - the actions of the “Svobodovtsy” are determined by certain agreements with the authorities. As evidence of their correctness, the radicals say that the amnesty law, which was promoted by the representatives of the party, was not very profitable, the building of the Ministry of Agrarian Policy was returned. And indeed, on the last day of last year, information appeared that the work of the Ministry was resumed, and the staff of the department returned to their workplaces. Moreover, on the same day, other information appeared - that the law-enforcement agencies were on the wanted list of Alexander Danilyuk, leader of the “Spilna sprava”.

Agree, the coincidence is so strange that it is quite possible to suspect the leaders of "Freedom" in collusion with the authorities - in exchange for the opportunity to remain in big politics, "Svoboda" could assume the function of suppressing radical forces on Maidan.

Regarding the second explanation, it is the desire of "Freedom" to declare itself as the most effective force of the protest movement: if the radicals kicked the police out of administrative buildings, and they kicked out these radicals, then, accordingly, they are the strongest. In addition, the seizure of buildings at the same time will make it possible to thwart their opponents a set of new fighters, and complicate an already difficult life (after all, in this weather, few people will survive for a long time).

Do not lose sight of the above-mentioned "Right Sector", an organization that first showed itself in early December last year during the so-called "bulldozer provocation" on Bankova. Then its representatives became real “heroes” of Euromaidan immediately after the peaceful protest passed into the phase of active confrontation.

Dealing with what this organization is is quite simple. According to media reports, it appeared relatively recently. In fact, it is not even an organization, but a union of several radical right-wing forces. Thus, neither the leaders nor the list of members does not exist.

Analysts say that the “Right Sector” arose as a result of the weak organization and coordination of the actions of various organizations. At the same time, his actions are coordinated spontaneously, but the creation of groups in social networks and the daily addition of hundreds of fans allowed the radicals to quickly become familiar with the features of coordinated work. Confirmation of this - quite a successful confrontation "Berkut".

It should also be noted that the ideology of the “Right Sector” was inherited from organizations whose members are members of it. Thus, the Right Sector opposes Russia's interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, the entry of the state into the Customs Union, as well as the change of the political system in Ukraine. On the other hand, representatives of the organization for the most part do not support Ukraine’s accession to the European Union, since it considers it as the oppressor of European states. At the same time, they recognize Ukraine as part of Europe.

Note that the “Right Sector” is far from being an alien organization for the Ukrainian capital. It is based on football ultras, which are mostly Russian-speaking, but at the same time they adhere to the positions of nationalism. Such a symbiosis provides cohesion and vitality of the organization. The first serious action of the group was an attack on the "berkutovtsy" of December 1 on Bankova Street. Then, I must say, they were mistaken for provocateurs and sharply criticized. The first serious success of the sector were clashes with the special forces of January 19, which escalated into protracted battles on Grushevskogo street.

Like any other radical organization, the Right Sector considers the activities of political parties too apathetic. Most of the criticism goes to Freedom, which the radicals consider too clumsy and weak-willed. Yatsenyuk obmaterili, Klitschko - doused from a fire extinguisher, and in Poroshenko simply launched stone. Opposition leaders did not remain in debt, however, only verbally, calling the “Right Sector” provocateurs.

Thus, the emergence of the “Right Sector” is a completely natural consequence of the long-term self-isolation of the authorities from the dialogue with the public. Thanks to irreconcilability towards security officials and compromises, the organization touched upon the emotional strings of the people, which the opposition leaders tried not to touch at all. However, all the recent events, in particular, the constant use of force against protesters, the reluctance to compromise indicates that Ukrainian society will become more radical, which is very beneficial for the Right Sector. Therefore, hopes that the conflict, which lasts more than three months in Ukraine, will be settled peacefully, is becoming less and less. And this should be wary of the same “Freedom” if it wants to maintain its position and be able to somehow influence the power. And from here a fairly simple conclusion - the opposition forces will continue to compete with each other, and this rivalry will not be peaceful ...

Materials used:
http://svpressa.ru/world/article/81678/
http://www.rg.ru/2014/02/04/mnenie-site.html
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1253967
http://slon.ru/world/pochemu_ukrainskie_oppozitsionery_nachali_boi_mezhdu_soboy-1052729.xhtml
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  1. +37
    9 February 2014 06: 40
    UPA-attacked the OUN, OUN attacked the FREEDOM, FREEDOM attacked the RIGHT SECTOR, the RIGHT SECTOR attacked the UPA, Klitschko got a fire extinguisher on the head, as a result, the mother of NULAND Germans was furious, what a fascinating series on MAYDAN.
    1. +25
      9 February 2014 07: 43
      Ukraine is a weak state if it allows bandits and the Nazis to rock civil society.
      The state, by definition, does not have the right to make concessions to the Bandera Nazis and bandits, and Ukraine is, and has been, for years. Concessions to Bandera are from the first days of the existence of the autonomous suburbs.
      You must pay for these concessions. And they will pay with the collapse of the outskirts of statehood, with the blood of people, which this Bandera Sabbath allowed with indifference.
      1. +16
        9 February 2014 08: 47
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Ukraine is a weak state if it allows bandits and the Nazis to rock civil society.
        The state, by definition, does not have the right to make concessions to the Bandera Nazis and bandits, and Ukraine is, and has been, for years. Concessions to Bandera are from the first days of the existence of the autonomous suburbs.
        You must pay for these concessions. And they will pay with the collapse of the outskirts of statehood, with the blood of people, which this Bandera Sabbath allowed with indifference.

        It really is. Sorry if I offended anyone. The problem is that Ukraine is an artificial state and in this is not very different from many African countries. As of 1917, there was no Ukraine in the Russian Empire - there was Malorssia, which was very different from the existing Ukraine, and there was no Ukrainian nationality either. With the exception of the Baltic states, the Bolsheviks formed the union republics not according to the national, but according to the administrative principle, as their colonies west. Nobody thought that the USSR could fall apart.
        But a state that does not have a core, which as a rule is a single or even dominant people, cannot be strong.
        1. duke
          +4
          9 February 2014 10: 48
          Arhj - if they formed administratively, they would not give these entities purely national names, so the Cossack lands were included in the formation of Kazakhstan, ostensibly to raise the level of backward outskirts, and so on (Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan - where is there administrative division) ... yes, the bomb was laid by a powerful comrade. Lenin, once dividing a single country on a national basis ... is still hiccupped. V. I. Lenin strongly criticized the project of autonomization of the Soviet republics. He put forward the only "correct and wise" proposal - all Soviet socialist republics, including the RSFSR, should unite on completely equal grounds and form a new, union state - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a voluntary union of enterprises of equal, sovereign republics. Each republic must retain the full right of free secession from the USSR.
          Источник: http://forexaw.com/TERMs/State/Eurasia/Russia/l492_CCCP_USSR_%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BE
          ..interesting why Stalin did not return the division scheme in the province, as it was under the tsar, because he was basically a sane person, I would even say - a genius in political games and he certainly knew what that was all about may end, however ...
        2. +6
          9 February 2014 11: 11
          Quote: Arhj
          With the exception of the Baltic states,

          The Baltic states were also formed according to the administrative principle. After the Revolution, hot Estonian guys captured part of Livonia, and Estonia turned out. Already on a national basis.
        3. -3
          9 February 2014 20: 45
          But a state that does not have a core, which as a rule is a single or even dominant people, cannot be strong.

          Can. Example times - USA. The dominant people (Indians) you know where. It’s hard to call them a weak state.
      2. AVV
        +4
        9 February 2014 10: 55
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Ukraine is a weak state if it allows bandits and the Nazis to rock civil society.

        Not the word, not just the reaction of the state to zero, but even with a minus sign, since they allow different right-wing Natsiks to undermine the state, since they allow different rubbish in the form of Nuland to freely walk among the protesters, since they allow different Baltic and Polish socks to speak out and stir up water among Maydanutyh !!!
      3. shevron
        +7
        9 February 2014 15: 51
        People took to the streets from a reluctance to live on like that - the opposition leaders took advantage of this. The stupidity of the Maidan lies in the fact that they will be used again to break through to power. Nobody thinks about people either the Yanukovych or the opposition and the more extreme radicals. They care about the place at the trough ...
      4. +2
        9 February 2014 19: 37
        I don't know, but it looks like Ukraine is all SICK on a HEAD, maybe this is such a "move" of the opposition itself, but the following has just appeared on the srambler:

        Obama will consider a petition on US involvement in the elimination of radicals in Ukraine

        The petition for help to Ukrainian law enforcement agencies in the fight against radical groups on Sunday gained more than 100 thousand signatures on the White House website and was submitted for consideration by the US administration, reports UNN.

        The petition authors note that their appeal is related to the inability of the Ukrainian authorities to suppress the armed resistance of nationalist, terrorist organizations, as well as other entities that provoke internal conflict and violence, torture and killings of Ukrainians.


        Invite goats in the GARDEN with CABBAGE ...
    2. +8
      9 February 2014 09: 15
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      UPA-attacked the OUN, OUN attacked the FREEDOM, FREEDOM attacked the RIGHT SECTOR, the RIGHT SECTOR attacked the UPA, Klitschko got a fire extinguisher on the head, as a result, the mother of NULAND Germans was furious, what a fascinating series on MAYDAN.

      This is a very common story of ALL revolutions, except for one and the main thing - usually this happens after the VICTORY of the Revolution, but Ukraine goes its own way, everything happens for them during
      1. Fin
        +3
        9 February 2014 10: 26
        Quote: svp67
        but Ukraine goes its own way, everything happens for them during

        Nothing new. Hetmans will never agree, they will continue to find out who is longer. And the posts in the government have probably already been divided.
        1. +3
          9 February 2014 12: 58
          Ukrainian folk saying: "Where there are two hohliks, there are three hetmans!"
        2. +2
          9 February 2014 21: 57
          Quote: Fin
          Nothing new. Getmans will never agree, they will continue to find out who is longer

          And before the getmans there were Polish magnates ...
    3. +6
      9 February 2014 11: 43
      Just like in SYRIA, where the opposites are fighting among themselves for power! The picture is similar!
    4. +1
      9 February 2014 15: 40
      some kind of melodrama :) it’s true a pentagonal kind of love triangle :))) I’m not surprised - sodomy can create multidimensional even :) For example, Klitschko is married to Yatsenyuk, Yatsenyuk to Tyagnibok, Tyagnibok loves Tymoshenko and Tymoshenko loves money :)
    5. 0
      10 February 2014 18: 44
      Quote: The same Lech
      UPA-attacked the OUN, OUN attacked the FREEDOM, FREEDOM attacked the RIGHT SECTOR, the RIGHT SECTOR attacked the UPA, Klitschko got a fire extinguisher on the head, as a result, the mother of NULAND Germans was furious, what a fascinating series on MAYDAN.

      Is it really a section of Ukraine? Maybe Little Russia will return back. Americans dig the earth there.
  2. +7
    9 February 2014 06: 47
    Yes, the forecast is gloomy.
    One thing is clear - most likely the opposition will not be able to come to an agreement among themselves, and therefore blood cannot be avoided. I mean a serious confrontation, because blood is already pouring. The "leaders" are trying to stake out a place near the trough.
    If the opposition fights, and it fights, the authorities will have to use armed force, and this is, in fact, a civil war. what
    1. +3
      9 February 2014 07: 38
      Yes bullshit
      The opposition will not tear each other up, there regarding this "opposition" - the puppeteers behind are serious - they will tell Yatsenyuk to leave, they will leave, they will tell Klitschko to leave, they will leave.
      So the availability of blood depends directly on the desires of the State Department, the Ambassador of the United States in Ukraine, and not by the headlessness of the opposition.
      1. +1
        9 February 2014 07: 58
        No, not bullshit. I agree with you that those who pull the strings are serious people.
        But to arrange a bloody bath, and even a baud sideways with Russia, for them this is an important goal.
        And the headlessness of the opposition (although what the x ... this is the opposition!) Only increases the chances of shedding a lot of blood.
      2. +5
        9 February 2014 08: 55
        Quote: mirag2
        Yes bullshit
        The opposition will not tear each other up, there regarding this "opposition" - the puppeteers behind are serious - they will tell Yatsenyuk to leave, they will leave, they will tell Klitschko to leave, they will leave.
        So the availability of blood depends directly on the desires of the State Department, the Ambassador of the United States in Ukraine, and not by the headlessness of the opposition.

        The invisible is right, this is not rubbish at all. As a rule, a revolution is made by rabble, which unites only the desire to throw off power. When power is defeated, a new round of struggle for power begins, but already among themselves. So it was in Russia in 1917 and in France during the Great French Revolution.
        Here they will not overthrow the power, but you must admit it is a shame when "we go to Berkut, and the cash flows are concentrated in the hands of freedom, which does not go to Berkut." Is this not a reason to "clean the face" Tyagnibok
      3. avt
        +3
        9 February 2014 11: 27
        Quote: svp67
        This is a very common story of ALL revolutions.

        Unlike the classical revolutions, well, as we are at 17m, there is completely no real political force guiding the process.
        Quote: mirag2
        Yes bullshit
        The opposition will not tear each other up, there regarding this "opposition" - the puppeteers behind are serious - they will tell Yatsenyuk to leave, they will leave, they will tell Klitschko to leave, they will leave.
        So the availability of blood depends directly on the desires of the State Department, the Ambassador of the United States in Ukraine, and not by the headlessness of the opposition.

        Briefly, but rightly noted. To all those who disagree, I recommend listening to the fragment posted on the Internet and well covered in the press of the conversation of Vicky Nuland, the very one who fed the Carbonarii with cookies on Maydown, well, where did she swear to the EU, when she was deciding who and where put oppikov.
        Quote: invisible
        But to arrange a bloody bath, and even a baud sideways with Russia, for them this is an important goal.

        Quote: Arhj
        The invisible is right, this is not rubbish at all.

        You run into him in vain, he sometimes talks about the cause, and you about the effect. At the same time, do not contradict each other - you supplement. Naturally, the owners and organizers of the process of the "color revolution" can bring all this operetta, maydaunny shalman to a lot of blood. the role of firewood in the fanning fire, and how many of them will burn - "for common people - the bearers of freedom and democracy" deep down in the phalos.
        1. 0
          9 February 2014 13: 00
          Quote: avt
          You run into him in vain

          What are you! We do not run over, and discuss. And with you and with mirag2 I agree in principle.
          Just in such matters can not be a trifle nonsense.
          And I refuse to call this bylord a revolution! A revolution implies a program, and not just a political one, as you noted.
          1. +2
            9 February 2014 14: 07
            I beg you, is there a revolution in Ukraine ?! This is just a misunderstanding, which has not yet been dispersed due to the negligent inactivity of the Ukrainian authorities. There are no analogies with the same year 1917 in this situation, for the simple reason that the revolution takes place in a limited period of time / 5-7 days / after which, if the planned goals are not achieved, the revolution ceases to be a banal pogrom, which is actually we are now watching. However, the current situation of the 'great standing' has its positive aspects, namely:
            - the impotence of the so-called opposition, which itself does not know what it needs, as the prime minister demanded, the prime minister removed the president, suggested the opposition take charge of the rule, and they turned on the back immediately, and why are they asked better than the current government? but only by the fact that when they come to the feeding trough, the authorities will steal the still not stolen.
            - This article already speaks about the split of these oppositionists, and this is not the end.
            - This standing showed what nationalists are, in all their glory.
  3. +5
    9 February 2014 06: 57
    Cunning Westernizers will merge the penetrating Nazis and nominate "furry democrats" - Freedom. Is there really a fool in the world who will believe in the disinterestedness of these curtsies.
  4. +5
    9 February 2014 07: 23
    Either give them the opportunity to destroy each other or disperse troops, I personally do not see other options.
    1. +4
      9 February 2014 07: 43
      Of course you can provide the opportunity to destroy, but there is an option that in this case they will still have time to do a lot. Therefore, the second option with dispersal by troops, and then with cleansing by special services is more suitable
      1. Shumer
        +1
        9 February 2014 18: 42
        Yanukovych managed to the fullest, showed his cowardice, weak-minded he. Correctly, Lukashenko said - give me two days and there will be an exemplary order.
        Yes, and the SBU looked horseradish knows where to spoil this.
        1. 0
          10 February 2014 18: 02
          Ukraine under external management. What are you talking about .. What surprises you?

          When pride appears in any of the presidents, the desire to change something - they immediately poke his nose in the shit. Showing him who he is and what exactly 1,5% of 100 depends on his decisions.

          In Russia, the situation was exactly the same, and now we are under external control in many areas.

          It surprises me that it surprises someone else.

          And in Ukraine, things are so sad in the economy and in everything else not because of Yanukovych - and not because of Yushchenko - they are exactly 1,5% here. As a scarecrow in the garden from the ravens, it seems that it is - only to sense from him ...

          One of the SBU issues was handed over shoulder straps by the US ambassador - what kind of coordinated work this unit is talking about. There is now an internal conflict between those who lay down to the west, and those who remained faithful to the oath. The situation is reminiscent of the Maidan as such.

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  5. +3
    9 February 2014 07: 48
    In Syria, opposition groups are cutting each other’s heads, so these aren’t all LOST (literally)
    1. +1
      9 February 2014 08: 58
      It remains to wait for the poles with their heads to appear on the perimeter of the "Maidan", in the "dark Middle Ages" winked
  6. +5
    9 February 2014 07: 55
    This opposition is the enemies of their people.
    1. 0
      9 February 2014 11: 05
      Quote: Deniska999
      This opposition is the enemies of their people.

      Yes, it seems, and the government is not far behind the opposition)))
  7. +9
    9 February 2014 08: 12
    UPA and BENDER must be annexed to Europe and settled in Auschwitz ... as a memory of their * glorious * and hard work for the benefit of Ukraine! And the leaders should be sent to their homeland, that is, to the place where they pay taxes on laundered bucks.
  8. ilya_82
    +12
    9 February 2014 08: 18
    crisis in Ukraine is easy to solve: give out cartridges to Berkut
  9. +7
    9 February 2014 08: 38
    Well, you know, when all this fuss began with the adoption and abolition of laws, I had the impression that this is just a game of giveaway between the government and the opposition. That is, both of them pull nishtyaki themselves, taking advantage of the mess on the Maidan. This is hoh ... Ukrainians, EPT.)) Russia immediately stopped this and put the issue of nishtyaks under control. But Europe expects a lot of wonderful revelations ... And maybe Europe kicks drive Ukraine into the CU (well, of course this is fantasy) so that it would never, ever have the possibility of entering Europe.))
  10. +18
    9 February 2014 08: 39
    Bandera coven for easy money. God forbid such power to let. Masks of nationalists were put on their faces, and they received money in a foreign land from foreign sponsors. A shame!
    1. avt
      +3
      9 February 2014 13: 33
      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
      Bandera coven for easy money. God forbid such power to let. Masks of nationalists were put on their faces, and they received money in a foreign land from foreign sponsors. A shame!

      laughing good But the collage is cool! To the very point, it fully corresponds to the actions and way of thinking of the three "impostors" whom the "common people" are moving into power. Precisely that the Coward is already in power, the seasoned inveterate Natsik and Goonies who are being twisted due to the lack of a brain.
  11. +2
    9 February 2014 08: 42
    I liked the expression: "Ukrainians are a very powerful people, because our history is full of nails that we hammered into the coffin of another empire that pulled us over. We are like acid we eat away at the organism we get into - the Commonwealth, Russia, the Soviet Union. "
    http://hvylya.org/interview/politics2/zakat-vtoroy-ukrainskoy-respubliki.html
    Interesting article on Khvil
  12. +2
    9 February 2014 09: 11
    These spiders in the jar will gnaw each other, and the fruits of destabilization near us will rip off our enemies.
  13. +1
    9 February 2014 09: 17
    The ruling party of Germany - the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) has tightened its attitude to the crisis in Ukraine. In particular, The CDU decided to demand sanctions against the Ukrainian authorities if the chaos deepens.

    This was reported by Deutsche Welle after a decision adopted in a resolution by the CDU federal board today, February 8th.
    “If the Ukrainian leadership continues to refuse basic civil rights, then we will advocate for the international community to impose sanctions on individuals and against oppressors,” the resolution says.
    I completely agree with this. It is time to use force against those who do not allow residents of Kiev, and the rest of Ukraine to live and work calmly, those who bring chaos to the work of legitimate state power.
    1. 0
      9 February 2014 09: 43
      The essence of the "oppressed" in one article: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1764453.html
  14. Makyr
    +3
    9 February 2014 09: 53
    Quote: mirag2
    Yes bullshit
    The opposition will not tear each other up, there regarding this "opposition" - the puppeteers behind are serious - they will tell Yatsenyuk to leave, they will leave, they will tell Klitschko to leave, they will leave.
    So the availability of blood depends directly on the desires of the State Department, the Ambassador of the United States in Ukraine, and not by the headlessness of the opposition.
    Klitschko is supported by the German CDU / CSU party and the Konrad Adenauer Foundation, Yatsenyuk is financed by Firtash, Tyagnibok is fed by the American Foundation for the Struggle for Democracy.
    We will see how the spider-in-a-jar pursuit of democracy ends.
  15. +2
    9 February 2014 09: 54
    Write correctly: IN UKRAINE!
    1. +6
      9 February 2014 09: 59
      Quote: bbss
      Write correctly: IN UKRAINE!
      And this is our age-old question "where is it better to send" B "or" ON "..." And then he got such a development ... And divided people ...
    2. +2
      9 February 2014 11: 02
      Quote: bbss
      Write correctly: IN UKRAINE!

      "The problem of a preposition in Ukraine and in Ukraine is a symbolic political and linguistic problem of using a preposition in the norms of modern literary Russian and Ukrainian languages, which has existed since 1993. According to the Vinogradov Russian Language Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, in 1993 the Ukrainian government demanded that regulatory options in Ukraine and from Ukraine to obtain "linguistic confirmation of their status as a sovereign state" .. "
      Of course, it is better to be "ON" than "B" .....
      ..the topic of prepositions is well disclosed http://www.memoid.ru/node/%C2%ABV_Ukraine%C2%BB_ili_%C2%ABna_Ukraine%C2%BB%3A_pr
      oblema_predloga
  16. calocha
    +4
    9 February 2014 10: 19
    The eastern regions need to organize themselves and rally more than ever before the threat of Bendera.
  17. +5
    9 February 2014 10: 49
    "where there are two Ukrainians, there are three hetmans"
    What is the split? A split can be where there was unity, a monolith ...
    And unity has never been in history, neither now in the nationalist movement, nor in the so-called APPazitsiya for 23 years of its existence .. IT WAS NOT, IS NOT AND WILL NOT BE .. There is little room for the trough of power ....
  18. +2
    9 February 2014 10: 50
    Interesting business. Three streams of opposition, all are fed by foreign "sponsors of democracy", the legitimate government "does not itch" in order to bring 10-50 people from the Americans and the EU to criminal responsibility for provoking a rebellion. Are they there, completely lost their scent?!. How the EU and the US would screech when their co-workers are serving time for violating the laws of Ukraine! - Looks like Yanukovych himself is on a hook in the West, since he is so openly "chewing on the contents of his nose", in a metered manner following the lead of both the West and Russia. How long will he sit on two chairs?!.
    1. st.lt
      0
      11 February 2014 21: 20
      Well, where is he stolen? He will twitch a little and grandmas will freeze or take away
  19. +1
    9 February 2014 11: 02
    Yes, there will be no split in the ranks of the opposition. They have one cash register, and therefore roles are distributed. As the directors command, so be it.
  20. Pehmore
    +4
    9 February 2014 11: 15
    How tired of all this, banderlogs are not banderlogs, right. Some kind of movie. If only they are on the Maidan, (I didn’t see the normal ones there), then isolate them like in a bank of spiders, let them eat themselves up. The people will only breathe more freely, because the vast majority of Ukrainians do not need the atrocities of the Nazis.
    1. Leemann
      0
      9 February 2014 16: 11
      are you crazy too if you went there?
  21. a boat
    +3
    9 February 2014 11: 24
    Yes, to the skating rink of all chaos! Let them spend their energy there in the mines in the Donbass, at least some benefit from them will be
  22. parus2nik
    +1
    9 February 2014 11: 54
    History repeats itself: UPA-Bulby, UPA-Bandera, UPA-Melnik ..
  23. +3
    9 February 2014 12: 06
    Quote: ilya_82
    crisis in Ukraine is easy to solve: give out cartridges to Berkut

    It is not even necessary to hand out the cartridges. It is enough to GIVE AN ORDER. And then "Berkut" will take away the entire Maidan in paddy wagons and deliver the Banderlog to the monkeys. In the course of these activities someone will be smeared. Purely democratizers.
    1. Leemann
      -2
      9 February 2014 15: 21
      you are crazy ...
  24. Oleksandr
    +3
    9 February 2014 14: 55
    Svoboda's program says:
    31. Allow us to be mentally healthy and unstoppable to the bulk of Ukraine by forcefully nabuvati and volodni vognepalnoy and cold zbroєyu.

    Translate
    31. Allow all mentally healthy and convicted citizens of Ukraine to freely acquire and possess firearms and cold steel.

    This is approved, and then you can open a discussion about: fascism, monuments, federalization, statehood of Ukraine and other
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    1. +2
      9 February 2014 15: 32
      Quote: leemann
      this whole forum

      trololo, why are you?
    2. SSR
      +5
      9 February 2014 15: 34
      What did you use?
      You have your own problems and Russia is to blame? Yuscha and oranzhoidnuyu you who arranged Vovka Putin? Was it Russia that pushed Yushchenko to heroize Banderlog and fascists? This is Putin tyril transit gas? The western part of Ukraine, like logs, always whines and groans accusing everyone that they have a face in a ram, "and eat a fish and hand over bones."
      We must work and do not need to engage in self-delusion.
      What do you dislike about the forum, so that forum users are telling the truth?
      Your comment resembles the brain of a man smoothed out by fascist propaganda with just some cliches, slogans and no specifics.
  26. Leemann
    -2
    9 February 2014 15: 24
    for me, a citizen of Ukraine, it is not clear who you call Bandera?
    1. +5
      9 February 2014 15: 28
      Quote: leemann
      for me, a citizen of Ukraine, it is not clear who you call Bandera?

      Yes, it’s hard. crying
    2. +3
      9 February 2014 15: 40
      Quote: leemann
      for me, a citizen of Ukraine, it is not clear who you call Bandera?
      And you yourself, not in the house?
      1. Leemann
        -1
        9 February 2014 15: 54
        you cannot even answer - because you don’t understand what you are writing
        1. +5
          9 February 2014 15: 57
          Quote: leemann
          you can’t even answer - because you don’t understand what you are writing

          Yeah yeah don't understand lol and therefore do not answer stupid questions.
          What did not put on avow Bandera or Shukevich? - you are not a patriot angry
          1. bibet
            -4
            9 February 2014 19: 16
            you are a Russian chauvinist
    3. zzz
      zzz
      +4
      9 February 2014 16: 02
      Quote: leemann
      for me, a citizen of Ukraine, it is not clear who you call Bandera?


      The main regions that are struck by Bandera are Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil. Vera, as a rule, is Catholic, not Orthodox. In these regions, young Bandera are mainly fighting and resisting. It’s hard to understand with whom and what. The main enemies for them are Moses (i.e., Russians), and Yanukovych and Putin in particular. Bandera organize marches of dissent for any reason, heroically destroy monuments to those who defeated fascism, wave red and black flags, wear a portrait of Bandera, as I understand it, they want to define this portrait in a red corner as an icon, and also put it and the German invaders monuments, for the fact that they killed the Ukrainian and Russian Slavs, and in every possible way agitate the youth in their ranks. Maybe someone will add something to make a complete portrait?
      1. st.lt
        0
        11 February 2014 21: 26
        shit on the Maidan, seize administrative buildings, squeal "glory to heroes", impose on the rest of Ukraine the Galician surzhik under the guise of the Ukrainian language (the word is a member of the masculine gender, but a "member of the family" appeared; it is not clear, is this something "a bull with ... a star?)
  27. +3
    9 February 2014 15: 32
    the appearance of the “Right Sector” is a completely natural consequence of the long-term self-isolation of the authorities from dialogue with the public

    What does the author of the article understand by "dialogue with the people"?
    Why should the right ideology disappear from this or change its goals? She will be satisfied with the good of the people, only right-wing forces strive for this?
    At the beginning of events, the Right Sector was indeed declared (especially in foreign media) a group of radical football fans.
    This disguised the essence. Fans are clear and not very dangerous.
    Gradually, something else began to emerge:
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%B5%
    D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80

    The author is too optimistic about the "split" of the opposition. The real opposition (the one who organizes everything) simply uses different instruments, different persons. What is the split here? The author does not write anything about the seizure of the building of the Ministry of Justice by the same "Spilnaya Spravoy" under the leadership of Danilyuk. The building was vacated after a call from Interior Minister Zakharchenko to the US Ambassador. And Danilyuk was safely in London. Is this a split?
  28. +5
    9 February 2014 15: 35
    "Confirmation of this is the rather successful opposition to Berkut" "Berkut" has not yet begun.
    1. Leemann
      -1
      9 February 2014 15: 56
      probably will not start, the golden eagle will be eliminated with the advent of the new government
      1. +7
        9 February 2014 15: 59
        Quote: leemann
        golden eagle will be eliminated with the advent of a new government

        The new government in Washington has not yet been agreed, because there will be a golden eagle. You are not lucky laughing
        1. Leemann
          -1
          9 February 2014 16: 14
          it’s not interesting to talk with a person for whom the whole state of the United States with his people is an enemy
  29. Leemann
    0
    9 February 2014 16: 02
    Quote from S.S.R.
    The western part of Ukraine, like logs, always aches and moans accusing everyone that they have a muzzle in the ram

    you can’t even speak normally about western Ukraine, what will you talk about next? all western Ukraine is for you - Bandera and Zapadentsy, but there live people who came from Russia after the Second World War and do not share your opinion that they are Bandera
    1. +4
      9 February 2014 16: 12
      Quote: leemann
      but there live people who came from Russia after the Second World War and

      That is, Russians live in Ukraine and Russians are now standing on the maidan wassat
      1. bibet
        -2
        9 February 2014 19: 18
        why comments delete that in free Russia you can write only what they say ??
  30. Leemann
    0
    9 February 2014 16: 16
    yes, you will not believe, on the Maidan there are citizens of Ukraine of Russian origin who live in western Ukraine
  31. Leemann
    0
    9 February 2014 16: 25
    The main regions that are struck by Bandera are Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and Ternopil. Vera, as a rule, is Catholic, not Orthodox. In these regions, young Bandera are mainly fighting and resisting. It’s hard to understand with whom and what. The main enemies for them are Moses (i.e., Russians), and Yanukovych and Putin in particular. Bandera organize marches of dissent for any reason, heroically destroy monuments to those who defeated fascism, wave red and black flags, wear a portrait of Bandera, as I understand it, they want to define this portrait in a red corner as an icon, and also put it and the German invaders monuments, for the fact that they killed the Ukrainian and Russian Slavs, and in every possible way agitate the youth in their ranks. Maybe someone will add something to make a complete portrait?
    thank you brother for not calling me Bandera, honestly, respect to you, although I live on the right bank of the Dnieper, you are wrong about faith - most are Orthodox, believe me, look at the number of Orthodox and Catholic churches, well, I haven’t seen the monument to the German occupiers anywhere, can you tell me where it stands?
  32. +2
    9 February 2014 16: 26
    hopes that the conflict, which lasts in Ukraine for more than three months, will be settled peacefully, is becoming less and less. And this should already be feared by the same “Freedom” if it wants to maintain its position and be able to somehow influence the government. And from here a rather simple conclusion - opposition forces continue they will compete with each other, and the rivalry will not be peaceful ...

    This already happened in the "Third Reich", when the SS men of Adolf Hitler, having seized power, massacred their former fellow attack aircraft, the homosexual Ernst Rem.
    Ukraine is now Geyropa.
  33. Leemann
    0
    9 February 2014 16: 28
    Quote: leemann
    The main enemies for them are Moscoli (i.e., Russians), and Yanukovych and Putin in particular

    probably Tarash Shevchenko was also a Bandera member - after all, he wrote "Kokhaitesya chornobrovі, she doesn’t have to grin ..." laughing
  34. +2
    9 February 2014 16: 32
    As soon as Ukraine used forces to disperse the rally, the rally participants would immediately identify the enemy — the government and pro-government structures. Only the endurance of the authorities and law enforcement agencies allows the rally members to get to know each other better.
  35. engen89
    +2
    9 February 2014 16: 36
    Quote: Vasya
    I liked the expression: "Ukrainians are a very powerful people, because our history is full of nails that we hammered into the coffin of another empire that pulled us over. We are like acid we eat away at the organism we get into - the Commonwealth, Russia, the Soviet Union. "
    http://hvylya.org/interview/politics2/zakat-vtoroy-ukrainskoy-respubliki.html
    Interesting article on Khvil


    Then send them to Europe, let them do their favorite thing there)))
    1. bibet
      -2
      9 February 2014 19: 14
      but it’s better not to go about your business, comrade, do the affairs of Russia
      1. +3
        9 February 2014 20: 56
        Tambov Wolf is your friend.
      2. yur
        yur
        0
        10 February 2014 00: 17
        And with what fright, comrade, then you climb onto a Russian site?
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  37. pawel57
    +4
    9 February 2014 17: 12
    After reading articles and comments. watching various videos, it comes to mind that it’s not so easy to blame Russia, Klitschko, Yunukovich, the European Union with amers, Jews, Bandera, Germans with Poles, and radicals, both left and right. Here everything is entwined in a tight knot, everyone pursues their own interests: the German creates 4 Reichs based on Ukraine, the Poles the great Poland from sea to sea at the expense of Ukraine, the Americans base in Sevostopol and the destruction of the Russian Federation without fraternal Ukraine; EU elimination of competitors, new territories, sales markets, white slaves and beautiful prostitutes, logistics; Jews robbery of Ukrainians and as a way of the people’s existence; Russia has the Black Sea ports, bases, Crimea, industrial territories and factories given to Khrushchev by the Ukrainian SSR, a friendly state, Bandera and radicals Independent Ukraine with various variations, Klitschko to remain a significant person by moving from sports to politics. Probably the people did not work out and the country Ukraine cannot exist. The German only in the 19th century was able to unite in the German and state people, the French under Reshchel finally under Napoleon. Fights in the Rada went to the streets of Kiev and then smoothly to the country. Probably need to split up. Crimea and the industrial part of modern Ukrainian. return to the Russian Federation (this is not theirs), the center and the west of 2 states. Western Ukrainian. it will not last even a month and will be privatized by Poland, Slovakia and Hungary. Let the zapadentsy democratize on the plantations of the European Union, and the Poles will get a headache from the Bandera partisans. The center is the capital of Kiev, even a Ukrainian. they brew moonshine, bite with bacon and onion, curse the damned m .... and live like gigolos and pimps sending their daughters and wives to EU brothels for work, fight in the Rada and Maidan, they go abroad with an outstretched hand. Let the inhabitants of Ukraine live separately, winter the troubled times, look around and decide how best. Section can prevent a civil war and, in general, a war in Europe. In Russia, a fire also breaks out. Who knows, Kiev, in a new historical round, will become the center of a pan-Slavic state on the shores of 3 oceans.
  38. +2
    9 February 2014 17: 52
    My God, when is this mess in Ukraine already suppressed?
  39. +6
    9 February 2014 17: 55
    Confirmation of this is a fairly successful confrontation with the Golden Eagle.
    What kind of confrontation?
    I would have seen how they - "Right pruner" fluttered if "Berkut" started working in active mode! angry
  40. +2
    9 February 2014 18: 19
    "... much more approval from the public, even from the most apolitical of its representatives, is caused by more radical groups -" Spilna on the Right "and" Right Sector ", which attack special forces and seize administration buildings."

    I have not read more nonsense yet.
  41. +2
    9 February 2014 18: 54
    Antique Europe again brandishes a two-meter sword of the Crusaders in its antique shop screaming "Dranch nach Osten" and is not afraid of a stupid one to get a bullet in the forehead from the adjacent territory from a sniper rifle. She thinks this is the twelfth century, not the twenty-first. This is an old woman's insanity ... and a quiet madness, to feed the militants-zapadentsi at their side in the hope of solving their problem of impoverishment. The descendants of the SS Legion "Galicia" will gladly rob everyone .. they have the same genetic code now. Let's help the old woman come to her senses ??? wassat
    1. bibet
      -4
      9 February 2014 19: 11
      Marazmatik is you my friend
      1. +1
        9 February 2014 19: 32
        ... hungry wolves differ from well-fed wolves only in ferocity, and so, even "an awl for soap" can not be called. Wonderful, hardworking, wonderful people are zapadentsi who are trabo gesheftu, so it is necessary to take away and divide ... between our own ... and someone else is still blathering about a fair, free, civil Ukraine ... they say, no nepotism, no corruption, no kickbacks. .ni-no ... only the tap will be divided and further no-no laughing not to mention the really gangster methods of seizing power that are broadcast on all television channels of the world, that is, you don’t even need to prove anything, and so everything is visible to everyone.

        eat friend on health laughing This is about the seizure by your freedom-loving people from the Maidan of a gas distribution station in the west of Ukraine. An address to the people of one of your Maydan people will be sent to you for reading ???
        1. bibet
          -4
          9 February 2014 21: 11
          among these zapadents your migrant brothers from Russia
          1. +5
            9 February 2014 21: 32
            They are not my brothers ... you are wrong friend ... I am not on the side of the Nazis, I do not call for the removal of the children and wives of the "Berkut", I do not throw Molotov cocktails into my policemen, although I admit that the police are guaranteed better than the police, I do not call to seize strategic objects to dictate the terms of Russia, I do not talk about freedom using violence. Your parents do not bless you for your actions, but you go across and thus anger God, not observing the commandment to honor your father and mother ... YOU ARE REFINEDS. Here is a link to my attitude towards you and she has been for more than one year ... eat ... then Ukraine was not yet on fire -You were wrong - you are not my brothers - you are enemies - who will sooner or later have to be forced into peace.

            http://topwar.ru/8367-ukraina-i-rossiya-ili-kto-zhe-razvalil-sssr.html#comment-i
            d-68056
      2. +1
        9 February 2014 22: 27
        .. how quickly you "grow" with us, my friend ... in the minus ... read the link from kudrev ... we actually are not yet against your freedom from us, we are against the civil war ... understand my friend. ...
    2. +1
      10 February 2014 09: 50
      Quote: disa
      Antique Europe again brandishes a two-meter sword of the Crusaders in its antique shop screaming "Dranch nach Osten" and is not afraid of a stupid one to get a bullet in the forehead from the adjacent territory from a sniper rifle. She thinks this is the twelfth century, not the twenty-first. This is an old woman's insanity ... and a quiet madness, to feed the militants-zapadentsi at their side in the hope of solving their problem of impoverishment. The descendants of the SS Legion "Galicia" will gladly rob everyone .. they have the same genetic code now. Let's help the old woman come to her senses ???

      If we speak without hypocritical respect, then two-thousand-year-old Russia is 3-4 times older than the "old woman" Geyropa, if we compare the age of states.
      Compared to Russia, Europe is still a snotty girl who does not have a mind, honor or conscience, constantly turns her backside, shoots and throws herself at people. Just recently, geyropeytsy brutally killed Milosevic and Gaddafi.
      1. 0
        10 February 2014 22: 02
        Antique .. not in the sense of ancient. Antique in the sense of antique junk. laughing
        It was necessary to put the old woman in quotation marks as if in a stall. Without them, that's why it turned out not quite correctly lol
    3. st.lt
      0
      11 February 2014 21: 32
      By the way, the OUN-UPA were created under the brand of fighting the Polish occupation. It was after the annexation to the Ukrainian SSR that they began to fight the communists (and then with the "yami")
  42. bibet
    -9
    9 February 2014 19: 02
    Quote: pawel57
    After reading articles and comments. watching various videos, it comes to mind that it’s not so easy to blame Russia, Klitschko, Yunukovich, the European Union with amers, Jews, Bandera, Germans with Poles, and radicals, both left and right. Here everything is entwined in a tight knot, everyone pursues their own interests: the German creates 4 Reichs based on Ukraine, the Poles the great Poland from sea to sea at the expense of Ukraine, the Americans base in Sevostopol and the destruction of the Russian Federation without fraternal Ukraine; EU elimination of competitors, new territories, sales markets, white slaves and beautiful prostitutes, logistics; Jews robbery of Ukrainians and as a way of the people’s existence; Russia has the Black Sea ports, bases, Crimea, industrial territories and factories given to Khrushchev by the Ukrainian SSR, a friendly state, Bandera and radicals Independent Ukraine with various variations, Klitschko to remain a significant person by moving from sports to politics. Probably the people did not work out and the country Ukraine cannot exist. The German only in the 19th century was able to unite in the German and state people, the French under Reshchel finally under Napoleon. Fights in the Rada went to the streets of Kiev and then smoothly to the country. Probably need to split up. Crimea and the industrial part of modern Ukrainian. return to the Russian Federation (this is not theirs), the center and the west of 2 states. Western Ukrainian. it will not last even a month and will be privatized by Poland, Slovakia and Hungary. Let the zapadentsy democratize on the plantations of the European Union, and the Poles will get a headache from the Bandera partisans. The center is the capital of Kiev, even a Ukrainian. they brew moonshine, bite with bacon and onion, curse the damned m .... and live like gigolos and pimps sending their daughters and wives to EU brothels for work, fight in the Rada and Maidan, they go abroad with an outstretched hand. Let the inhabitants of Ukraine live separately, winter the troubled times, look around and decide how best. Section can prevent a civil war and, in general, a war in Europe. In Russia, a fire also breaks out. Who knows, Kiev, in a new historical round, will become the center of a pan-Slavic state on the shores of 3 oceans.

    Crimea and the industrial part of modern Ukrainian. to return to the Russian Federation (this is not theirs) - Russia is seriously ill with such idiots as you, in 1917 the plague came to power, which continues to this day with the center in Moscow
    you contrasted yourself with almost the whole world - a fabulous paranoia
    1. DMB-78
      +6
      9 February 2014 19: 41
      Quote: bibet
      opposed almost the whole world - fabulous paranoia

      Well, America and the geyropa are not the whole world. but they don’t like us for an understandable reason. we never licked them an anal hole. but you who just didn’t lick. and now your maidan is controlled as puppets. The State Department is already deciding. what to do and how to do it. mongrels from all over Europe came running to you on the Maidan to teach you how to live. Yes, let it be only in Russia whoever sticks with such advice, will fly overtaking his own screech. when we got rid of you 23 years ago, we did the Olympics. for 23 years you could not do anything except the stinking maidan.
      1. bibet
        -2
        9 February 2014 20: 57
        but who needs you, lick your medveputins if you want to, for you personally - in 2012 we had euro 2012, and for 50 billion dollars you can do more than one olympiad, although a third was stolen, oh well
        1. 0
          9 February 2014 22: 52
          And you don’t look into someone else’s pocket, you understand yours.
        2. yur
          yur
          0
          10 February 2014 00: 33
          Well, at least we have that $ 50 billion. Yes! I almost forgot, we found 15 lards for you, on "needles".
    2. +2
      9 February 2014 19: 44
      But Ukraine is "rich" with such "samovRodkami" as you!
      1. 0
        10 February 2014 09: 28
        Quote: ia-ai00
        But Ukraine is "rich" with such "samovRodkami" as you!


        and such "rich" Ukraine and is still proud of them -

        "Today, January 22, on the Day of the Unity of Ukraine, President Viktor Yushchenko signed decree No. 46/2010 on conferring the title of Hero of Ukraine (posthumously) on the chairman of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, politician Stepan Bandera," the ZIK was told in the press service of the head of state. "
  43. bibet
    -7
    9 February 2014 19: 12
    Quote: Corsair5912
    hopes that the conflict, which lasts in Ukraine for more than three months, will be settled peacefully, is becoming less and less. And this should already be feared by the same “Freedom” if it wants to maintain its position and be able to somehow influence the government. And from here a rather simple conclusion - opposition forces continue they will compete with each other, and the rivalry will not be peaceful ...

    This already happened in the "Third Reich", when the SS men of Adolf Hitler, having seized power, massacred their former fellow attack aircraft, the homosexual Ernst Rem.
    Ukraine is now Geyropa.

    you seem to be too fucking homosexual ...
  44. bibet
    -3
    9 February 2014 19: 22
    how many comments deleted ... apparently this is a forum of Russian special services
    1. +8
      9 February 2014 19: 31
      Quote: bibet
      how many comments deleted

      forgot to supplement, contrary to the Rules of HE.
      Quote: bibet
      Apparently this forum Russian special services

      Do you also rank me as a Russian special service ?! laughing
      1. +4
        9 February 2014 19: 37
        Quote: Apollon
        Quote: bibet
        Apparently this forum Russian special services

        Do you also rank me as a Russian special service ?! laughing

        Apollo, but what about, on any Marshal of the FSB! Get out and epaulets under the avatar corresponding laughing
        1. +4
          9 February 2014 19: 41
          Quote: Sid.74
          Apollo,

          Good evening Eugene hi
          Quote: Sid.74
          but how, according to any FSB Marshal! Look and epaulettes under the avatar corresponding

          If I had stayed in Russia in due time and would not have come to this madhouse where I am currently, I would not be a virtual marshal, but an acting general, like some of my fellow students.
          1. +3
            9 February 2014 20: 04
            Quote: Apollon
            If I had stayed in Russia in due time and would not have come to this madhouse where I am currently, I would not be a virtual marshal, but an acting general, like some of my fellow students.

            Apollo hi It’s a pity of course, but let me tell you, being on the VO website is a very important and necessary person! Without you probably on the VO, the third world has already begun!
          2. bibet
            -4
            9 February 2014 21: 31
            Wow, the moderator is from the country ........deleted by the moderator Apollo, it’s never too late to return home, with respect
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    4. +6
      9 February 2014 19: 39
      bibet - Running into a provocateur.
      Go support your mandan on your Ukrainian sites and on the Move.
      And to prove that the Russians are flawed by definition on the Russian patriotic website, no one will let you. Shkolota you ................deleted by moderator Apollo
    5. +4
      9 February 2014 21: 48
      Quote: bibet
      how many comments deleted ... apparently this is a forum of Russian special services
      Do not LA ...
      Just because the comments are not deleted (personally verified lol ), apparently there is a reason related to violations of the rules of VO ...
      Living by the MAIDAN RULES will not work here ...
  45. alexsey7777
    -1
    9 February 2014 19: 41
    Namely, you and other Russian media are not tired of covering the events taking place in Urkain ?! Personally already tired, as well as many. Let the fat-eaters butt. The fewer there are, the less will be required .. rusgas, and accordingly less belly for knocking out debts from these rogue, who themselves ruined their industry. Is it a joke, if so, as a retreat, trolleybuses and trams and metro cars are purchased from Russia and Belarus, and the locals are sent nafig, not even taking into account their claims, they say they are buying abroad, and the locals are in the "top" ... hints that the Orthodox local almost dead industry is producing ... Donbass with their waste heaps is a celebrity in the minus order ... With the continuing trend, when in 10 years almost 10 million Urkains suddenly disappeared, who died and who left the Orthodox Yanyk, looks at the remnants of the remnants you know what ... Fight further, Europe and Russia and Belarus are waiting for this piece of land to be torn apart, since nobody canceled the peaceful intervention ...
    1. bibet
      -3
      9 February 2014 21: 14
      peaceful intervention from the Russian Federation-this is another bloody massacre
      1. +5
        9 February 2014 21: 54
        Quote: bibet
        peaceful intervention from the Russian Federation-this is another bloody massacre

        You have a chance to become the best fallen hero for "Salo Ukraine" laughing
        1. bibet
          -2
          9 February 2014 22: 55
          patriot, you have an American nickname soldier
      2. yur
        yur
        +2
        10 February 2014 00: 43
        Do not forget the diapers, fighter.
  46. +5
    9 February 2014 20: 28
    Unlike Ukraine, Libya was a prosperous country, the only one on the continent. This is an occasion to think twice to all zapadentsev what Nezalezhnaya will turn into.
    I think there are few among the truly Russian people who wish Ukraine adversity.
    1. bibet
      -4
      9 February 2014 21: 33
      do not compare Libya and Ukraine, they are generally different
      1. +4
        9 February 2014 21: 36
        Quote: bibet
        do not compare Libya and Ukraine, they are generally different

        Different, but the mattresses and their minions in the drum.
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      1. +2
        9 February 2014 21: 17
        Quote: alexsey7777
        alexsey7777

        Quote: bibet
        bibet

        You can share the views of the head of state or vice versa.
        Please mention the name of the head of state as it should. Otherwise, you will be very disappointed.
        1. bibet
          -1
          9 February 2014 21: 25
          ok accepted
  48. bibet
    -2
    9 February 2014 21: 06
    Quote: alexsey7777
    Personally already tired, like many. Let the butchers eat. The fewer they are, the less Rusgas will be consumed .. and, accordingly, the less belly for knocking out debts from these rogues

    chauvinistic personalities like you are pulling Russia in the days of owls of the Union
    1. +1
      9 February 2014 21: 55
      Quote: bibet
      chauvinistic personalities like you are pulling Russia in the days of owls of the Union

      Here you are crucifying, your line of oppression! And what have you helped Ukraine?
      Since the collapse of the USSR! How much has Ukraine decreased in millions of people? "During the years of Ukraine's independence, its population has decreased by 12 million people. This is more than the entire population of the Czech Republic," - said at a press conference in Kiev on August 21, Chairman of the Committee of Economists of Ukraine Andriy Novak , according to a REGNUM correspondent in Kiev.
      "Over the 22 of the year of independence, our population has decreased from the 52 million people to 46 due to the birth-to-death ratio. And according to the UN, there are still about 6 million Ukrainians earning abroad. In total, today we will not find more 40 million Ukrainians" - said Andrey Novak.

      Without any interference from Russia, notice in your independent affairs! Or tell me that the famine we organized! Or tell Russian special forces hidden in the woods near Kiev, raids poor citizens of Ukraine!
      1. bibet
        -5
        9 February 2014 22: 00
        All the survivors of these forests are prone to this, the purely Russian accent of the bandits was
        in vain you remembered the famine ... right now I'll carry
        1. +4
          9 February 2014 22: 14
          Quote: bibet
          right now I'll carry

          Your diarrhea is noticed - sitting on the toilet broadcast? laughing
        2. +3
          9 February 2014 22: 25
          Quote: bibet
          All the survivors of these forests are prone to this, the purely Russian accent of the bandits was
          in vain you remembered the famine ...

          You are a strange comrade, I am to you on you, you to me on you!
          Why did you decide that an alliance with Russia is a cage for you? For me, Ukraine has 52 millions of people and developed infrastructure, there were all chances to be ahead of Europe! So no, Russia doesn’t give you bad life! 23 is independent and why? Who prevents you from being independent and self-sufficient?
        3. +3
          9 February 2014 22: 28
          Quote: bibet
          the bandits had a purely Russian accent

          Well what "linguist" made such a conclusion?
          For example, I, a native of Donbass, "gag" the same way as on the Don. And this same "G" "betrayed" a Ukrainian in me among my colleagues during my service in the USSR Navy, but if I wanted to, I could freely play for Donchak. ..
        4. +1
          9 February 2014 23: 10
          It is a pity everyone in those forests didn’t remain crawled by the debris, ehh the NKVD wished you and in vain their kindness now comes to us.
    2. +1
      9 February 2014 23: 06
      Do not confuse chauvinism with patriotism. That you zapadnenetsov real chauvinism.
  49. alexsey7777
    +2
    9 February 2014 21: 21
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: alexsey7777
    Personally already tired, like many. Let the butchers eat. The fewer they are, the less Rusgas will be consumed .. and, accordingly, the less belly for knocking out debts from these rogues

    chauvinistic personalities like you are pulling Russia in the days of owls of the Union


    And why is the Union of Republics bad? Lack of hawk in the gastric sense on the counter? And the clothes of fashionable and gadgets of Amer? But the fact that with the collapse of the great power of the USSR parasites disappeared, so that's a plus! And at the same time a minus, because then the RSFSR really had a advance. The current line of politics is understandable only to politicians.

    By the way, do not touch on the theme of Urkain in Soviet times! How they lived at the expense of Russia they are trying, but it doesn’t work. Break through credit cards ...
    1. bibet
      -5
      9 February 2014 21: 25
      Well, if the second republic lived at the expense of Russia, then the others, too, it turns out Russia was the mother fed all?
      1. +2
        9 February 2014 23: 11
        Start to reach!
    2. st.lt
      0
      11 February 2014 21: 41
      Well, in general, they themselves produced a lot of things, working with subcontractors from all over the USSR, and they built DneproGES together, and developed the Donbass, and s / x was quite developed
  50. bibet
    -4
    9 February 2014 21: 27
    Quote: alexsey7777
    And why is the Union of Republics bad?

    Well, for example, concentration camps
    1. +4
      9 February 2014 22: 11
      Quote: bibet
      Quote: alexsey7777
      And why is the Union of Republics bad?
      Well, for example, concentration camps

      So you did not die in this concentration camp?
      1. bibet
        -2
        9 February 2014 22: 58
        you are a mentally ill person
        1. +1
          9 February 2014 23: 00
          Well, you, what other camps are there for the poor Ukrainians? You still remember the myth of the Holodomor.
    2. +1
      9 February 2014 23: 12
      Can you tell the name?
  51. alexsey7777
    +2
    9 February 2014 21: 38
    Quote: bibet
    Well, if the second republic lived at the expense of Russia, then the others, too, it turns out Russia was the mother fed all?


    This is true. And what is wrong? Let's look for a second at the modern graph of migration from countries so disliked by many (SOVKA!) and understand why Uzbeks, Tajiks, Armenians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians, in the minority Georgians, Kyrgyzstans, and so on, strive to come to us, to Russia? Did they run here because of a good life? But during the time of that careless Sovk, migration was insignificant, and there was none at all to closed cities, for example Fokino and Vladivostok! For there were cities of strategic importance. But thanks to your beloved Gorbachevs and Yeltsins, the cities have turned into dumping grounds, into which, although money has been thrown, there is no meaningful development! No, not from the lack of desire of locals to work, but from suffocating taxes! This is where 3 billion green money should have been directed, to the Far East, and not to all sorts of Ukraine! If we look at Europe, then we need to develop our own in such abundance before pointing a finger and babbling, “but there!”

    Finally. Russia is not obliged to support, even its relatives along the deepest tree line!
    1. bibet
      -5
      9 February 2014 22: 06
      Of course, Russia is not obliged to support anyone, but the fact that it supported Ukraine is complete nonsense
      1. +4
        9 February 2014 23: 13
        Yes, it looks like she did, because over the years of your independence, you’ve been left with a bare ass and are constantly asking us for money.
  52. catapractic
    -2
    9 February 2014 21: 46
    let them devour each other, scumbags
  53. alexsey7777
    +2
    9 February 2014 21: 55
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: alexsey7777
    And why is the Union of Republics bad?

    Well, for example, concentration camps


    If this topic is already touched upon, let’s dig deeper. The country was in critical decline (-50 years of development compared to European countries), and after the Revolution in the RSFSR there were many dissidents who were simply dissatisfied with the authorities and others. There were also those who actually prepared terrorist attacks against Stalin (from outside, of course, because the majority of them were internal ones). The population was ready for the fact that after the revolution, everyone who participated in the Revolution (not everyone again!) would lie on their bellies and receive money. Stalin decided to correct this situation by commissioning the Gulags. However, the downside was that all units received instructions on the so-called “plan”. (Available: “300 people for the entire district department of the NKVD” (This is said figuratively)). It was precisely because of such “plans” that impressive-sized camps were formed, and tens of thousands of Soviet citizens were executed. It is not Stalin who is to blame, but the nomenklatura, which understood the order from above absolutely “literally”, which forced the local areas to act to the fullest. Without such “diligence”, the number of deaths in the camps and those executed were significantly less, but everything was done for the party....

    No matter how much they criticize Stalin, it was under him that the USSR achieved advanced indicators in many industries. And in some cases it was even ahead. And you shouldn’t blame him for the war if anyone touches him! Stalin was distrustful, and therefore the rearmament of the country began somewhat later than required!
  54. bibet
    -6
    9 February 2014 22: 02
    Quote: alexsey7777
    It is not Stalin who is to blame here, but the nomenklatura, which understands the order from above completely “literally”

    the orders were signed by the “innocent” Stalin...and by tens of thousands of people in one fell swoop
    1. +2
      9 February 2014 23: 10
      And you try to sign such a stack of orders in one fell swoop, all over the country, I wonder how long it will take you, months or years? There is no point in believing the cranberries that “liberal writers” are hanging on your ears! And if you are interested in how it was in the 30s, then crawl through the archives yourself, think for yourself and draw your own conclusions, or at least take a fork to remove the noodles from your ears.
  55. alexsey7777
    -2
    9 February 2014 22: 19
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: alexsey7777
    It is not Stalin who is to blame here, but the nomenklatura, which understands the order from above completely “literally”

    the orders were signed by the “innocent” Stalin...and by tens of thousands of people in one fell swoop


    If they are slipped to you by a trusted person whom you trust incredibly (Lavrentiy Beria), then sign, no matter what it is, without reading too much into it. And he believed him boundlessly. This is the history of the Soviet era.

    By the way, he gained the trust of Joseph Vissarionovich through false assassination attempts, the most significant of which took place in Crimea...

    This is the story that the execution sentences were submitted for signature by the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs....
  56. bibet
    -6
    9 February 2014 22: 20
    Recently, a unique map “Holodomor 1932 - 1933” was published in Ukraine, which indicated not only the places of the so-called “black boards” (special punitive measures against individual villages, when a hungry village was surrounded by armed detachments, thereby dooming it to death), but and ways of resettlement of people from Russia and Belarus to extinct territories.

    From the Belarusian USSR to the Odessa region - 61 trains, from the western regions of the RSFSR to the Dnepropetrovsk region - 109 trains, from Gorky to Odessa - 35 trains, from the central black earth region of Russia to the Kharkov region - 80 trains. From Ivanovo to Donetsk - 44 trains.

    http://www.unian.net/files/1282724108.jpg

    In total - 22000 families and, accordingly, farms...

    The fact that the pro-Russian South-East of Ukraine today is the consequences of the Holodomor and the subsequent mass settlement of Ukrainian territories mostly by Russians is not news... But it amazes me every time, bringing sad thoughts, especially recently, when people are increasingly talking about possible split of the country
    1. +6
      9 February 2014 22: 49
      ...what a pity that we have to repeat ourselves...the Holodomor in Ukraine 1932 - 1933 is the work of Trotsky-Bronstein and his government of Kamenev and Zinoviev, like Tukhachevsky’s gassing of peasant uprisings, like the suppression of the riot in Kronstadt (he was shot on the orders of Stalin) and etc., then everything was RUSSIA. Jewish revolutionaries flooded the entire country with blood. The nobles simply collapsed their Empire and then rushed with their enemies to establish their own order while squandering the lands of the Fatherland, organizing terror only for sympathy with the Reds. They were hit in the teeth along with England, France, and Germany combined. They did it, despite the Jewish love within the party of workers and peasants. The USSR did not exist until 1922. What did the independent and motley people do these five years after 1917 before and after the Ural ridge? Were you plowing the land peacefully? No...they shot the red-bellied in the back and looked for opportunities to sell what they got at a higher price, no matter on what terms. Meanwhile, someone radically solved the Russian question with the Holodomor, but it was not I.V. Stalin, Stalin “broke his head with an ice pick” so that he would not blather from abroad about freedom and democracy. There is a saying: “Piz.d.i.t. like Trotsky” why would this be respected? And why do Stalin and Brezhnev receive flowers at their graves, but not the rest of the shitty people?
      1. +3
        9 February 2014 23: 10
        Quote: disa
        ...what a pity that I have to repeat myself...

        And why bother?
        Youthful maximalism (growing into extremism), mixed with local nationalism, with a stubborn rejection of obvious facts, the mixture is as explosive as a Molotov cocktail.
        It’s easier to explain to a monkey what is good and what is bad.
        1. +1
          9 February 2014 23: 25
          ..at least so that it doesn’t seem to him that everyone around him is a fool, and he’s the only smart one.. who knows the “truth” laughing
          1. +3
            10 February 2014 00: 47
            Quote: disa
            ..at least so that it doesn’t seem to him that everyone around him is a fool, and he’s the only smart one.. who knows the “truth”

            There is a "program" there...
            If I wanted knowledge, I would look at the events in Bosnia-Herzegovina - causes and consequences.
            And all sorts of famines are part of propaganda. The runt gave the go-ahead 10 years ago for the segregation of Russians and Ukrainians - here are the consequences...
    2. +4
      9 February 2014 23: 17
      The Holodomor in Ukraine is entirely on the conscience of those who were in charge of agriculture in Ukraine at that time, and not I.V. Stalin. They themselves inflated the plan indicators, they themselves submitted this figure to Moscow, they themselves confirmed it when they were asked to clarify whether it was too much. They wanted to lick ass, but it turned out to be a famine.
      1. +3
        10 February 2014 00: 49
        Quote: sinukvl
        The Holodomor in Ukraine is entirely on the conscience of those who at that time managed agriculture in Ukraine

        The temporary detention center responded to the irrepressible Khrushch “Calm down” in response to his request to shoot more people than they should have.
  57. bibet
    -5
    9 February 2014 22: 30
    Quote: alexsey7777
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: alexsey7777
    It is not Stalin who is to blame here, but the nomenklatura, which understands the order from above completely “literally”

    the orders were signed by the “innocent” Stalin...and by tens of thousands of people in one fell swoop


    If they are slipped to you by a trusted person whom you trust incredibly (Lavrentiy Beria), then sign, no matter what it is, without reading too much into it. And he believed him boundlessly. This is the history of the Soviet era.

    By the way, he gained the trust of Joseph Vissarionovich through false assassination attempts, the most significant of which took place in Crimea...

    This is the story that the execution sentences were submitted for signature by the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs....

    poor Stalin... killed about 20 million people, millions even before the war, and he didn’t know... only a schoolboy could say such nonsense, I repeat once again - Stalin signed orders for the extermination of people, what difference does it make who gave them
    1. +2
      9 February 2014 23: 20
      My dear, you are talking complete nonsense, where did you get this figure of 20 million innocent victims from the works of Solzhenitsyn, as he himself said that he made his calculations based on letters from people who wrote to him or talked to him about relatives, familiar neighbors of those who died in the camps It’s a very unreliable source of information and there’s no way to check it
  58. bibet
    -1
    9 February 2014 22: 36
    proof of Stalin's "innocence"
    1. +3
      9 February 2014 23: 21
      I can tell you, my friend, purely on my own behalf and for myself, and not on behalf of Stalin... as you plunge into your freedom of limitlessness and reach a certain degree of savagery and bestiality with the slaughter of children and women... now if I you’ll have to sign such a code to stop you... I’ll sign it so that you don’t have time to put the innocent on the ropes... You really want to create hell for everyone, but it’s fairer to create hell for a separate unconscious category of people, so that the hell they created does not affect others and was only for them, for their souls and for their deeds.
  59. alexsey7777
    +1
    9 February 2014 22: 39
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: bibet
    chauvinistic personalities like you are pulling Russia in the days of owls of the Union

    Here you are crucifying, your line of oppression! And what have you helped Ukraine?
    Since the collapse of the USSR! How much has Ukraine decreased in millions of people? "During the years of Ukraine's independence, its population has decreased by 12 million people. This is more than the entire population of the Czech Republic," - said at a press conference in Kiev on August 21, Chairman of the Committee of Economists of Ukraine Andriy Novak , according to a REGNUM correspondent in Kiev.
    "Over the 22 of the year of independence, our population has decreased from the 52 million people to 46 due to the birth-to-death ratio. And according to the UN, there are still about 6 million Ukrainians earning abroad. In total, today we will not find more 40 million Ukrainians" - said Andrey Novak.

    Without any interference from Russia, notice in your independent affairs! Or tell me that the famine we organized! Or tell Russian special forces hidden in the woods near Kiev, raids poor citizens of Ukraine!


    You are being destroyed by your own rulers. It will be more convenient for us, Russia, Belarus and parts of Europe to occupy you with our citizens, through all sorts of tricks. What is peaceful intervention, and how the Far East did not become Chinese, read in the same pedivics. You noticed it yourself. As the Ukrainians became independent, the people ran and began to die... From a good life, right? In Russia it was exactly the same in the 90s, but now the situation has changed and there are more Russians (unfortunately, most of them are of mixed blood). Yours, by saving money on farts in church, are saving money. What prevents us from expanding and restoring the industry that existed under the USSR? There will be quality, there will be demand, but in the meantime, with Satan, it’s a blunder, of course, who needs it. (Some of your products have been banned from importing into Russia, and this is a blow to the budget.) Coal does not last forever, dear gentlemen. Maybe your Yanukovychs will come to their senses, although this is not a fact, but for now you are living on Russian credit.
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  61. alexsey7777
    +1
    9 February 2014 22: 44
    Quote: bibet
    proof of Stalin's "innocence"


    Didn’t the 5 preliminary signatures of the People’s Commissars bother you? By the way, Stalin is written with a capital letter, despite the fact that it is a pseudonym.
  62. bibet
    -1
    9 February 2014 22: 49
    Quote: alexsey7777
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: bibet
    chauvinistic personalities like you are pulling Russia in the days of owls of the Union

    Here you are crucifying, your line of oppression! And what have you helped Ukraine?
    Since the collapse of the USSR! How much has Ukraine decreased in millions of people? "During the years of Ukraine's independence, its population has decreased by 12 million people. This is more than the entire population of the Czech Republic," - said at a press conference in Kiev on August 21, Chairman of the Committee of Economists of Ukraine Andriy Novak , according to a REGNUM correspondent in Kiev.
    "Over the 22 of the year of independence, our population has decreased from the 52 million people to 46 due to the birth-to-death ratio. And according to the UN, there are still about 6 million Ukrainians earning abroad. In total, today we will not find more 40 million Ukrainians" - said Andrey Novak.

    Without any interference from Russia, notice in your independent affairs! Or tell me that the famine we organized! Or tell Russian special forces hidden in the woods near Kiev, raids poor citizens of Ukraine!


    You are being destroyed by your own rulers. It will be more convenient for us, Russia, Belarus and parts of Europe to occupy you with our citizens, through all sorts of tricks. What is peaceful intervention, and how the Far East did not become Chinese, read in the same pedivics. You noticed it yourself. As the Ukrainians became independent, the people ran and began to die... From a good life, right? In Russia it was exactly the same in the 90s, but now the situation has changed and there are more Russians (unfortunately, most of them are of mixed blood). Yours, by saving money on farts in church, are saving money. What prevents us from expanding and restoring the industry that existed under the USSR? There will be quality, there will be demand, but in the meantime, with Satan, it’s a blunder, of course, who needs it. (Some of your products have been banned from importing into Russia, and this is a blow to the budget.) Coal does not last forever, dear gentlemen. Maybe your Yanukovychs will come to their senses, although this is not a fact, but for now you are living on Russian credit.

    while we have a pro-Russian president, we have a Russian loan, coal is not eternal - your gas and oil too, the ban on products - thanks to Putin, the same thing happened with Latvian sprats and dairy products, Moldovan wine, Georgian cognac, Ukrainian chocolate, pipes, if you pray to Stalin - don’t blaspheme here, during the USSR there was never such quality as abroad, everything worked for the war
    1. +3
      9 February 2014 23: 12
      Quote: bibet
      while we have a pro-Russian president, we have a Russian loan, coal is not eternal - your gas and oil too, the ban on products - thanks to Putin,

      It’s a strange thing when they treat you like a European, you immediately declare that it’s not brotherly! How they give so little credit! How the price set according to European formulas by your own President Yushchenko and the lady with a braid, so again we are to blame! Something I haven’t seen so that the EU doesn’t paid for gas! You twist the facts and are always offended! You yourself voted for independence, who is now to blame! Better ask your radicals and independent citizens of Ukraine, why are you scared that your credit ratings fall every month once during the month of the Maidan! Or why the east the country is working and the West is on strike! The Europeans will fly in and start throwing money from a helicopter! tongue
      You already had a pro-European president Yushchenko! And Yanukovych didn’t go far from him, he was also trying to sign an association with the EU, why on earth is he pro-Russian? Has the EU given you a lot of loans?
  63. alexsey7777
    +2
    9 February 2014 23: 00
    Quote: bibet

    while we have a pro-Russian president, we have a Russian loan, coal is not eternal - your gas and oil too, the ban on products - thanks to Putin, the same thing happened with Latvian sprats and dairy products, Moldovan wine, Georgian cognac, Ukrainian chocolate, pipes, if you pray to Stalin - don’t blaspheme here, during the USSR there was never such quality as abroad, everything worked for the war


    War is completely different; you don’t have to approach everything with the same brush. Then they thought, as the Americans say, “we had to save our ass.” Nobody blasphemes. Russia is interested in Ukraine being a puppet, because it is more convenient to control you this way. Gas from the oil industry will not last forever, but it will be more than enough for your and my lifetime... No one is praying, but you should not read history and receive information from primary sources only in a black context. I can also say why Stalin gave the order to liberate all sorts of Kiev! We liberated Russia and so will you. We'll fence off the defense and let them try. Let the fascists sit together with the Benderaites and jerk off to their united Ukraine. Why should the Russians waste their energy to liberate those who now consider the Russians to be invaders... (Westerners. They understand Russian perfectly, but they fundamentally refuse to speak it, whether in Lvov or Vinnitsa...).
    1. bibet
      -2
      9 February 2014 23: 17
      Let the fascists sit together with the Benderaites and jerk off to their united Ukraine - you are a sick brother, you need to be treated, like many others
  64. bibet
    -2
    9 February 2014 23: 02
    Quote: alexsey7777
    Quote: bibet
    proof of Stalin's "innocence"


    Didn’t the 5 preliminary signatures of the People’s Commissars bother you? By the way, Stalin is written with a capital letter, despite the fact that it is a pseudonym.

    This reminds me of our Yanukovych - he knows nothing what is happening in the country, pray to Stalin, write at least in all capital letters, if you respect the murderer of your brothers, God will be your judge
  65. bibet
    -3
    9 February 2014 23: 06
    Request from the Secretary of the Kirov Regional Committee M.N. Rodin to increase the limit for the “first category” by 300 people, and the “second category” by 1000 people, instructions from I.V. Stalin in red pencil: “Increase the limit for the first category not by 300, but by 500 people, and in the second category - for 800 people"
    I wanted Stalin's signature - keep it http://ru.wikipedia.orgGreat Terror
    Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    1. +1
      9 February 2014 23: 25
      Is Wikipedia the ultimate truth? Then read what they write about the Olympic rings, especially with the edit of February 8, when one ring did not light up
      1. bibet
        -2
        9 February 2014 23: 34
        Instead of rings, you could set the tires on fire - they would definitely burn, no offense
  66. alexsey7777
    +1
    9 February 2014 23: 11
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: alexsey7777
    Quote: bibet
    proof of Stalin's "innocence"


    Didn’t the 5 preliminary signatures of the People’s Commissars bother you? By the way, Stalin is written with a capital letter, despite the fact that it is a pseudonym.

    This reminds me of our Yanukovych - he knows nothing what is happening in the country, pray to Stalin, write at least in all capital letters, if you respect the murderer of your brothers, God will be your judge


    While now, both in Ukraine and in Russia, the same policy is in effect, where 450 people approve and only finally sign one! If you contradict, you yourself will be removed, but only in a convoy of 6 people and straight to Novodevichye! There is a special option, which means Kremlin. Again, don’t read history ONLY in a black context.

    Your Janissary shouldn’t even know anything! Everything was decided and stolen before him and partially by him, but Putin won’t give it anymore! As long as he is useful to Russia, he will be in office, as soon as he becomes useless, the “opposition” will blow him away!
    1. bibet
      -1
      9 February 2014 23: 32
      so it is, I agree, because you said the truth - he is controlled by Putin
    2. pawel57
      +1
      9 February 2014 23: 40
      Here you are talking about Russian gulags. You might wonder if there are unpublicized studies in the United States about millions of people who died of starvation during the Great Depression. Ask where hundreds of thousands of people disappeared in the USA before and after World War II, suspected of sympathy for the USSR; blacks and people of color were only able to study with whites in the 2s, and they are still taught this way only so they can sign their names. By the way, Obama is a black Jew, his mother is Jewish, his uncle was the chief rabbi of Chicago.
      1. bibet
        -1
        10 February 2014 00: 34
        you’re like a child who hit one another - don’t cry, I also hurt myself recently, if this happened to the USA, then they are no better than the USSR, but this is the first time I’ve heard this
  67. bibet
    -3
    9 February 2014 23: 15
    Quote: alexsey7777
    I can also say why Stalin gave the order to liberate all sorts of Kiev! We liberated Russia and it will be with you

    I’m not going to write yet another ode to Soviet power and the “talented” commanders of the Red Army who won the war with Germany - lately there have been enough people wanting to do this.

    I would like to once again remind those who are proud and nostalgic that the war was not won by Stalin and Zhukov, but by ordinary people who, executing the criminal orders of the then leaders, gave millions of their lives for the victory of one ugly ideology over another.

    The height of cynicism in the communist gibberish of the post-war period is the inscription “No one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten” on the monument to the “Unknown Soldier”
    It is known that the liberation of the capital of Ukraine in 1943 was timed to coincide with the 26th anniversary of the October Revolution. To fulfill Stalin’s wishes, the military leaders of that time lost hundreds of thousands of human lives, but they carried out the order of the commander-in-chief, the bitter truth is that no one will ever be able to calculate how many human lives were actually ruined by the Soviet commanders (primarily Marshal Zhukov), to “please” the Soviet people and personally the leader Joseph Stalin with the capture of Kyiv by November 7 and other victories
  68. bibet
    -1
    9 February 2014 23: 26
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: bibet
    while we have a pro-Russian president, we have a Russian loan, coal is not eternal - your gas and oil too, the ban on products - thanks to Putin,

    It’s a strange thing when they treat you like a European, you immediately declare that it’s not brotherly! How they give so little credit! How the price set according to European formulas by your own President Yushchenko and the lady with a braid, so again we are to blame! Something I haven’t seen so that the EU doesn’t paid for gas! You twist the facts and are always offended! You yourself voted for independence, who is now to blame! Better ask your radicals and independent citizens of Ukraine, why are you scared that your credit ratings fall every month once during the month of the Maidan! Or why the east the country is working and the West is on strike! The Europeans will fly in and start throwing money from a helicopter! tongue
    You already had a pro-European president Yushchenko! And Yanukovych didn’t go far from him, he was also trying to sign an association with the EU, why on earth is he pro-Russian? Has the EU given you a lot of loans?

    Yes, from such a fright that Yanukovych comes to him like holy water, he lied about integration all the time, it’s not about loans, but about investments, in Russia gas and oil money is only for loans, why don’t you invest? Why do we need a loan with interest? you invest in long-term investments, and your loan is a rip-off for Ukraine
    1. +1
      9 February 2014 23: 36
      Remind us ignorant ones. What percentage did Russia charge for the loan?
    2. +1
      9 February 2014 23: 48
      Quote: bibet
      and your loan is a rip-off for Ukraine

      laughing Three lard at 5% wow, you are dark, where have you seen loans like this? The IMF, with a list of conditions, set 25%! It’s good to rub your ears, by God! Your TV stuff is terrible! If Yanukovych had not gone to see Putin, clearly no one would have given you a loan! Or did you want something else on a silver platter for you? They brought it, it’s not to us, it’s to the EU at 25%!

      Regarding investments, there are investments in Motorsich and Yuzhnoye and in Antonov! If you read the normal press, not the Golichan press, maybe you’ll find out that they will build a crossing in Kerch! You should watch the news and listen to what package of papers Putin and Yanukovych signed! You have a gap there will be a template!
      1. +2
        9 February 2014 23: 56
        Three lard at 5% wow, you are dark, where have you seen loans like this? The IMF, with a list of conditions, set 25%! It’s good to rub your ears, by God!


        Everything is sold and everything is bought, if the GDP had not given them money last year, they would now be sitting in DEFAULT!
        There are citizens of UKRAINE here who will soon rise to the rank of Reichfuehrer SS at a rapid pace... feel
        1. +4
          10 February 2014 00: 56
          Quote: AnaBat
          There are citizens of UKRAINE here who will soon rise to the rank of Reichfuehrer of the SS at a rapid pace..

          If you can’t, but really want to, then you can... wassat
      2. +1
        9 February 2014 23: 57
        Quote: bibet
        Yes, from such a fright that Yanukovych comes to him like holy water, he lied about integration all the time, it’s not about loans, but about investments, in Russia gas and oil money is only for credit, which you can’t invest

        Taken from the racially correct www.segodnya.ua tongue
        List of documents signed in Moscow:

        - action plan to resolve restrictions in bilateral trade for 2013-2014

        - an agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on the implementation of state support measures for the resumption of serial production of aircraft of the An-124 family with D-18T engines and their modifications

        - protocol between the government of the Russian Federation and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on the supply of goods through industrial cooperation in 2014

        - agreement on joint actions to organize the construction of a transport crossing across the Kerch Strait

        - agreement on prompt notification of a nuclear accident and exchange of information in the field of nuclear and radiation safety

        - protocol on the determination of the checkpoint across the Russian-Ukrainian border "Kuibyshevo" for joint control by the control authorities of the states of the parties

        - memorandum of intent to intensify cooperation in the field of shipbuilding between the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Industrial Policy of Ukraine

        - protocol between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on amendments to the agreement on cooperation in the implementation of joint control of persons, vehicles and goods at the Ukrainian-Russian border

        - cooperation agreement between the Federal Service of the Russian Federation for Drug Control and the State Service of Ukraine for Drug Control

        - a plan of joint activities between the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation and the State Service of Ukraine for Emergency Situations in the context of the implementation of the intergovernmental agreement on cooperation in the field of preventing industrial accidents, catastrophes, natural disasters and eliminating their consequences

        - memorandum of understanding between the Federal Space Agency of the Russian Federation and the State Space Agency of Ukraine regarding cooperation in the field of the rocket and space industry

        - plan of Russian-Ukrainian events for the joint celebration of the 200th anniversary of the birth of Taras Shevchenko

        - minutes of the sixth meeting of the Russian-Ukrainian interstate commission
      3. bibet
        -1
        10 February 2014 00: 16
        Yanukovych has completely lost his mind - to build a crossing to transfer Russian troops to Ukraine in the event of war...
        1. +2
          10 February 2014 00: 58
          Quote: bibet
          Yanukovych has completely lost his mind - to build a crossing to transfer Russian troops to Ukraine in the event of war...

          laughing Don’t be so afraid, we will bring you gifts!
          1. bibet
            -1
            10 February 2014 01: 45
            Take it to the Americans - you are two super powers, and we are an unequal opponent to you
            1. +2
              10 February 2014 01: 52
              Yes, no one is going to take over you, think for yourself, why the hell are we doing this! If you hold out until spring, then you will default! It wasn’t me who said it, but the credit agencies of your American friends!
              1. Arad
                -1
                11 February 2014 02: 16
                So sit on your chimney, warm your eggs, wave in groups to your friends from North Korea - no one else in the world needs you, comrades
  69. bibet
    -1
    9 February 2014 23: 27
    It’s a strange thing when they treat you in a European way, you immediately declare that it’s not fraternal - well, I set an example above the fraternal approach of Russia
    1. +2
      9 February 2014 23: 46
      How is this in Europe? For Europeans, family ties are nepotism and it is quite possible to do without them, and the main thing is to get by. We are your brothers while hydrocarbons flow from us to you at a reduced price, and you are our brothers only when you can spit in our faces, the damned Muscovite. Love your enemies...We love you, we are everything to you...you have something from behind the hill.
  70. Oleg1968
    +3
    9 February 2014 23: 32
    SICK: I’ve been reading VO for a long time, but this is the first time I’m commenting.
    I have my own view of Ukraine.
    I was in almost Ukraine (Crimea) back in 85, and only in the summer of 2013 was I privileged to ride in a car again. I wasn’t in a hurry, I looked a lot, it was very interesting.
    Howled very, very disappointed, especially since the comparison from the car window turned out to be more complete... Ukrainians! You will ruin your country!
    I’m going to take a ride to (to) Ukraine in the summer of 2014, I’ll definitely stop by the new Kiev Euromaidan Park (maybe someone will spoil me with cookies)
    1. bibet
      -2
      9 February 2014 23: 46
      go to Krivka in Lviv - don’t be afraid, they won’t do anything to you there, the myth about Bandera’s people who kill her will soon, I hope, become a thing of history
  71. alexsey7777
    0
    9 February 2014 23: 36
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: alexsey7777
    I can also say why Stalin gave the order to liberate all sorts of Kiev! We liberated Russia and it will be with you

    I’m not going to write yet another ode to Soviet power and the “talented” commanders of the Red Army who won the war with Germany - lately there have been enough people wanting to do this.

    I would like to once again remind those who are proud and nostalgic that the war was not won by Stalin and Zhukov, but by ordinary people who, executing the criminal orders of the then leaders, gave millions of their lives for the victory of one ugly ideology over another.

    The height of cynicism in the communist gibberish of the post-war period is the inscription “No one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten” on the monument to the “Unknown Soldier”
    It is known that the liberation of the capital of Ukraine in 1943 was timed to coincide with the 26th anniversary of the October Revolution. To fulfill Stalin’s wishes, the military leaders of that time lost hundreds of thousands of human lives, but they carried out the order of the commander-in-chief, the bitter truth is that no one will ever be able to calculate how many human lives were actually ruined by the Soviet commanders (primarily Marshal Zhukov), to “please” the Soviet people and personally the leader Joseph Stalin with the capture of Kyiv by November 7 and other victories


    It's good to copy-paste from pedivics. At least the 82nd anniversary of the liberation from serfdom in Imperial Russia in the year of the war! Ukraine at that time was considered Soviet territory, which means it was subject to liberation. For some reason, during the war, Westerners are especially seethed, and to a lesser extent Easterners! Belarusians are grateful to the Red Army for the liberation of both Minsk and the entire Belarusian territory. Only Ukrainians, Bendera, and the Balts consider Russians to be invaders. If I were Stalin, I would do as he suggested! Select the border, including Belarus, liberate it from the fascists and build barricades, and let the rest there howl as they want, or let the oh! great Americans help free themselves! Maybe, you see, the Benderites, the Balts, as well as some eastern Ukrainians, looked at Russia differently, and not as an invader, their, God forgive, holy territories!

    If it weren’t for those “comrades”, those “comrades” who did something that does not honor the pages of war would have been burned in some barn. If it was a city, then they would blow up your “detonators” in some house where the latter were hiding. It’s sad that because of such underestimators and Benderites, the majestic pages of a great power are being rewritten with a light hand!
  72. bibet
    -3
    9 February 2014 23: 42
    Quote: disa
    I can tell you, my friend, purely on my own behalf and for myself, and not on behalf of Stalin... as you plunge into your freedom of limitlessness and reach a certain degree of savagery and bestiality with the slaughter of children and women... now if I you’ll have to sign such a code to stop you... I’ll sign it so that you don’t have time to put the innocent on the ropes... You really want to create hell for everyone, but it’s fairer to create hell for a separate unconscious category of people, so that the hell they created does not affect others and was only for them, for their souls and for their deeds.

    You are definitely not my friend, conscientious, people decide the freedom of the lawlessness of our government as best they can, if the Ukrainians had weapons like the Chechens in every home to protect themselves from the same government, no one would be standing on the Maidan, people would have long ago shot at the Party of Regions and communists without the right sector and opposition
  73. alexsey7777
    +1
    9 February 2014 23: 49
    Quote: gecko
    Remind us ignorant ones. What percentage did Russia charge for the loan?


    5% Ukrainian inflation is almost twice as low. Banks give loans to “such” organizations at a minimum interest rate of 20%.
    1. bibet
      -1
      10 February 2014 00: 01
      IMF loan for Ukraine was given for 4-6%, don’t talk
      http://news.eizvestia.com/news-finance/full/mvf-snova-gotov-vydelit-ukraine-kred
      it-pod-nevysokij-procent
      1. +1
        10 February 2014 01: 07
        Quote: bibet
        IMF loan for Ukraine was given for 4-6%

        That's right, this is loan servicing without a list of conditions, everything else is raising duties on gas and energy, canceling import duties, and so on! In the end, 25-30%!
        Everything is the same as the association only in a stripped down form!
        1. bibet
          -1
          10 February 2014 01: 42
          raising the PRICE of gas for the population (why should the state impose a duty on itself) with the simultaneous liquidation of intermediary firms - I know the situation inside the country, and you read the Internet and blah blah here
          1. +1
            10 February 2014 01: 59
            You, for the population and for the end consumer, prices will be raised by the opera theater! Your enterprises will immediately suffer! And you don’t read the Internet except for Ukrainian truth, and besides Ukrainian TV, don’t watch a damn thing!
            I’ve been through your media and channels, well, it’s just crap!
  74. bibet
    -1
    9 February 2014 23: 52
    Quote: alexsey7777
    If it weren’t for those “comrades”, those “comrades” who did something that does not honor the pages of war would have been burned in some barn. If it was a city, then they would blow up your “detonators” in some house where the latter were hiding. It’s sad that because of such underestimators and Benderites, the majestic pages of a great power are being rewritten with a light hand!

    well, yes, the “comrade liberators” did just that, burned people in a barn, blew them up, hanged them, went into the apartments of those who had been taken away, stayed, although for a long time, forgot to return home to their motherland
  75. bibet
    -2
    9 February 2014 23: 55
    and where did Russia come not as an invader??
  76. alexsey7777
    0
    10 February 2014 00: 02
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: alexsey7777
    If it weren’t for those “comrades”, those “comrades” who did something that does not honor the pages of war would have been burned in some barn. If it was a city, then they would blow up your “detonators” in some house where the latter were hiding. It’s sad that because of such underestimators and Benderites, the majestic pages of a great power are being rewritten with a light hand!

    well, yes, the “comrade liberators” did just that, burned people in a barn, blew them up, hanged them, went into the apartments of those who had been taken away, stayed, although for a long time, forgot to return home to their motherland


    There was such a thing. But this, I emphasize, by the method of the so-called, as cynical as it sounds, “information war”, so that the population of Soviet villages and cities would wage the most active struggle against the Nazis. Little is known, but such “actions” ended in the summer of 1942. Then Koba (Stalin) made it clear that it was necessary to inspire the population to fight using other methods. “It just turned up” a little later, the Battle of Stalingrad, which saved the “brain fuckers” from the “brain fuckers” by activating the population. That turning point itself raised the spirit of both Soviet soldiers and the ordinary population! That’s when the most active development of partisan movements began (during the attempted siege of Stalingrad), which did everything they could!!
  77. bibet
    -1
    10 February 2014 00: 10
    Quote: disa
    How is this in Europe? For Europeans, family ties are nepotism and it is quite possible to do without them, and the main thing is to get by. We are your brothers while hydrocarbons flow from us to you at a reduced price, and you are our brothers only when you can spit in our faces, the damned Muscovite. Love your enemies...We love you, we are everything to you...you have something from behind the hill.

    there is no “you” or “us”, there is your and our government, equally anti-people, corrupt, dictatorial, there are citizens of Ukraine and citizens of Russia, there are Russians and there are Ukrainians, there is Ukraine and there is Russia, we are not one country, not one people and Until everyone understands this, there will be constant nonsense in both nations
  78. alexsey7777
    +1
    10 February 2014 00: 11
    Quote: bibet
    IMF loan for Ukraine was given for 4-6%, don’t talk
    http://news.eizvestia.com/news-finance/full/mvf-snova-gotov-vydelit-ukraine-kred

    it-pod-nevysokij-procent


    The IMF set such conditions that the Yanyks would rule them for a year and not until then, and your pensioners and other public sector employees would suck horseradish. That's all. Russia gave you a loan without any conditions, but I wouldn’t give even a penny, knowing that there are half the Nazis there who are ready to rewrite history! Adding to everything, these funds would be better directed in favor of Russian citizens, and not imaginary neighbors! Putin, as usual, is spouting nonsense, and this is sad!
    1. +1
      10 February 2014 00: 15
      Russia gave you a loan without any conditions, but I wouldn’t give even a penny, knowing that there are half the Nazis there who are ready to rewrite history! Adding to everything, these funds would be better directed in favor of Russian citizens, and not imaginary neighbors! Putin, as usual, is spouting nonsense, and this is sad!


      RUSSIA IS A GENEROUS SOUL...I hope there are sane Citizens left in UKRAINE! And there are plenty of inadequate people in RUSSIA too! Mine to you+
      1. bibet
        -2
        10 February 2014 00: 28
        Russia yes, the Russian people yes, but not your government sad
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. bibet
      -1
      10 February 2014 00: 29
      no one knows these conditions
  79. bibet
    -1
    10 February 2014 00: 20
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: bibet
    Yes, from such a fright that Yanukovych comes to him like holy water, he lied about integration all the time, it’s not about loans, but about investments, in Russia gas and oil money is only for credit, which you can’t invest

    Taken from the racially correct www.segodnya.ua tongue
    List of documents signed in Moscow:

    - action plan to resolve restrictions in bilateral trade for 2013-2014

    - an agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on the implementation of state support measures for the resumption of serial production of aircraft of the An-124 family with D-18T engines and their modifications

    - protocol between the government of the Russian Federation and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on the supply of goods through industrial cooperation in 2014

    - agreement on joint actions to organize the construction of a transport crossing across the Kerch Strait

    - agreement on prompt notification of a nuclear accident and exchange of information in the field of nuclear and radiation safety

    - protocol on the determination of the checkpoint across the Russian-Ukrainian border "Kuibyshevo" for joint control by the control authorities of the states of the parties

    - memorandum of intent to intensify cooperation in the field of shipbuilding between the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Industrial Policy of Ukraine

    - protocol between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on amendments to the agreement on cooperation in the implementation of joint control of persons, vehicles and goods at the Ukrainian-Russian border

    - cooperation agreement between the Federal Service of the Russian Federation for Drug Control and the State Service of Ukraine for Drug Control

    - a plan of joint activities between the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation and the State Service of Ukraine for Emergency Situations in the context of the implementation of the intergovernmental agreement on cooperation in the field of preventing industrial accidents, catastrophes, natural disasters and eliminating their consequences

    - memorandum of understanding between the Federal Space Agency of the Russian Federation and the State Space Agency of Ukraine regarding cooperation in the field of the rocket and space industry

    - plan of Russian-Ukrainian events for the joint celebration of the 200th anniversary of the birth of Taras Shevchenko

    - minutes of the sixth meeting of the Russian-Ukrainian interstate commission

    there are no investments in this list,
    Investments are investments of capital for the purpose of making a profit[1][2]. Investments are an integral part of the modern economy. Investments differ from loans in the degree of risk for the investor (lender) - the loan and interest must be repaid within the agreed time frame, regardless of the profitability of the project, investments are returned and generate income only in profitable projects. If the project is unprofitable, investments may be lost in whole or in part
    1. +1
      10 February 2014 00: 49
      Quote: bibet
      Investments are investments of capital for the purpose of making a profit[1][2]

      Come on, is it true, but we didn’t know!!!! laughing
      And airplanes, and engines, and the construction of a ferry, and shipbuilding, and goods of industrial cooperation!?? It’s all like a bow on the side! Or there was no answer in the Galician dictionary! Why are you studying Wikipedia about investments for me!!!
  80. alexsey7777
    0
    10 February 2014 00: 20
    Quote: AnaBat
    Russia gave you a loan without any conditions, but I wouldn’t give even a penny, knowing that there are half the Nazis there who are ready to rewrite history! Adding to everything, these funds would be better directed in favor of Russian citizens, and not imaginary neighbors! Putin, as usual, is spouting nonsense, and this is sad!


    RUSSIA IS A GENEROUS SOUL...I hope there are sane Citizens left in UKRAINE! And there are plenty of inadequate people in RUSSIA too! Mine to you+


    There are a lot of inappropriate people there. This is proof that the Maidanists are individual porcupines, and the Russians, due to whatever circumstances, become like them. I remind some, no matter what neighbors the latter may be, this does not mean that it is not worth throwing money at them!
    1. 0
      10 February 2014 00: 27
      I agree that there is a special type of “Citizens” for whom it is useless to explain. They need to be put in the appropriate uh “position” so that they experience it the hard way! I'm afraid that these shots, even in this position, will find someone to blame and will not admit their mistakes!
    2. bibet
      0
      10 February 2014 01: 53
      here I am only one porcupine from Ukraine and there are so many of you here - a whole regiment of porcupines with red flags of a non-existent state
  81. bibet
    -1
    10 February 2014 00: 25
    action plan to resolve restrictions in bilateral trade for 2013-2014 - yes, we are already seeing this, our trucks must again outweigh the cargo at your border, European invoices are not suitable for you - European goods are transported to Ukraine, reloaded onto our trucks, then they are transported to brotherly Russia, not to mention the scams at your gas stations when they heat up diesel fuel...
  82. alexsey7777
    0
    10 February 2014 00: 26
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: bibet
    Yes, from such a fright that Yanukovych comes to him like holy water, he lied about integration all the time, it’s not about loans, but about investments, in Russia gas and oil money is only for credit, which you can’t invest

    Taken from the racially correct www.segodnya.ua tongue
    List of documents signed in Moscow:

    - action plan to resolve restrictions in bilateral trade for 2013-2014

    - an agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on the implementation of state support measures for the resumption of serial production of aircraft of the An-124 family with D-18T engines and their modifications

    - protocol between the government of the Russian Federation and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on the supply of goods through industrial cooperation in 2014

    - agreement on joint actions to organize the construction of a transport crossing across the Kerch Strait

    - agreement on prompt notification of a nuclear accident and exchange of information in the field of nuclear and radiation safety

    - protocol on the determination of the checkpoint across the Russian-Ukrainian border "Kuibyshevo" for joint control by the control authorities of the states of the parties

    - memorandum of intent to intensify cooperation in the field of shipbuilding between the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Industrial Policy of Ukraine

    - protocol between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on amendments to the agreement on cooperation in the implementation of joint control of persons, vehicles and goods at the Ukrainian-Russian border

    - cooperation agreement between the Federal Service of the Russian Federation for Drug Control and the State Service of Ukraine for Drug Control

    - a plan of joint activities between the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation and the State Service of Ukraine for Emergency Situations in the context of the implementation of the intergovernmental agreement on cooperation in the field of preventing industrial accidents, catastrophes, natural disasters and eliminating their consequences

    - memorandum of understanding between the Federal Space Agency of the Russian Federation and the State Space Agency of Ukraine regarding cooperation in the field of the rocket and space industry

    - plan of Russian-Ukrainian events for the joint celebration of the 200th anniversary of the birth of Taras Shevchenko

    - minutes of the sixth meeting of the Russian-Ukrainian interstate commission

    there are no investments in this list,
    Investments are investments of capital for the purpose of making a profit[1][2]. Investments are an integral part of the modern economy. Investments differ from loans in the degree of risk for the investor (lender) - the loan and interest must be repaid within the agreed time frame, regardless of the profitability of the project, investments are returned and generate income only in profitable projects. If the project is unprofitable, investments may be lost in whole or in part


    For you, this is a whole mess in the village...
    1. bibet
      0
      10 February 2014 00: 46
      I'm sorry, but there are no villages in Ukraine
  83. bibet
    0
    10 February 2014 00: 44
    Quote: alexsey7777
    But THIS, I emphasize, is a method of the so-called, as cynical as it sounds, “information war”, so that the population of Soviet villages and cities would wage the most active struggle against the Nazis

    I’m telling you about civilians “suspected” of having connections with Bandera who were hanged and shot
    and Stalin, like Hitler, realized that you can’t just kill people, but you can throw a cartoon at them, look what the Nazis did to our people and showed Soviet camps as German ones...
  84. bibet
    0
    10 February 2014 01: 00
    Quote: alexsey7777
    Quote: AnaBat
    Russia gave you a loan without any conditions, but I wouldn’t give even a penny, knowing that there are half the Nazis there who are ready to rewrite history! Adding to everything, these funds would be better directed in favor of Russian citizens, and not imaginary neighbors! Putin, as usual, is spouting nonsense, and this is sad!


    RUSSIA IS A GENEROUS SOUL...I hope there are sane Citizens left in UKRAINE! And there are plenty of inadequate people in RUSSIA too! Mine to you+


    There are a lot of inappropriate people there. This is proof that the Maidanists are individual porcupines, and the Russians, due to whatever circumstances, become like them. I remind some, no matter what neighbors the latter may be, this does not mean that it is not worth throwing money at them!

    The Russian Deputy Prime Minister explained under what conditions Russia will cancel financial assistance to Ukraine
    If the new government of Ukraine announces a different agenda and other priorities, then this will likely be a reason to reconsider existing agreements, Russian First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov told reporters at the Russia-EU summit
    This is a loan in Russian style - let's go to the EU, they will reconsider the loan, this is what this agreement means
    1. +2
      10 February 2014 01: 13
      Quote: bibet
      This is a loan in Russian style - let's go to the EU, they will reconsider the loan, this is what this agreement means

      Did you want to eat Russian fish and sit on EU horseradish? laughing
      1. bibet
        0
        10 February 2014 01: 27
        that’s why we don’t need a creditor like Russia (Putin)
        Where do the fish come from?

        hake from China;
        capelin, herring, shrimp, salmon, salmon, trout - from Norway;
        pollock - from Russia;
        goby, sea lionfish, flounder, sea pike perch - from Azov;
        capr, carp, crucian carp, silver carp - from ponds and river creeks from the Odessa region to the Cherkassy and Kyiv regions;
        pangasius (pink flounder) - from Vietnam;
        sea ​​bearing (as the sellers say) - from the Khadzhibey and Dniester estuaries
        from Russia - only mentai, not a lot
        http://akvatoria.org.ua/articles/24
        1. +2
          10 February 2014 01: 37
          Quote: bibet
          that’s why we don’t need a creditor like Russia (Putin)

          Are Ukrainians smarter than Hungarians?
          Look at what is happening today in Sarajevo and Tuzla - if you are adequate, you will understand, but if you really don’t shine with intelligence, you will sign up here on VO.
  85. bibet
    0
    10 February 2014 01: 16
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: bibet
    Investments are investments of capital for the purpose of making a profit[1][2]

    Come on, is it true, but we didn’t know!!!! laughing
    And airplanes, and engines, and the construction of a ferry, and shipbuilding, and goods of industrial cooperation!?? It’s all like a bow on the side! Or there was no answer in the Galician dictionary! Why are you studying Wikipedia about investments for me!!!

    According to the Deputy Prime Minister, if Ukraine does not make a decision now, then “later we will simply be forced to localize all production.”

    “And we will refuse their services completely. Who will they work with? With the Chinese? Sell to the Chinese? China has also advanced far in this regard. Why do they need Ukraine? I sincerely worry about the fate of our industrial cooperation with Ukraine,” added D. Rogozin.

    He noted that a similar situation is emerging with the An-70 project. In addition, the deputy chairman of the government emphasized, the An-70, in its technical characteristics, is almost a direct competitor of the Russian Il-476
    again, investment in the Russian way, either you are with us or get out...
    1. 0
      10 February 2014 01: 38
      Quote: bibet
      Either you stay with us or get out...

      Not as you wanted! Invest money in Ukrainian enterprises and then buy at exorbitant prices the products you invested in, subject to signing an association with the EU!!!
      Have you heard anything similar from the EU that they will buy your Ans and invest money in your enterprises!?
  86. bibet
    0
    10 February 2014 01: 22
    from the recent - in particular, the head of the Kremlin administration Sergei Ivanov this week noted the following: “We are not forcing Ukraine to change the vector of its development, we are simply saying that “a” will be followed by “b.” This will mean the end of the remnants of the Ukrainian space and aviation industry , shipbuilding, there is nothing left in the nuclear industry..." Clearly and clearly.

    Well, sid74, Russia (Putin) is investing a lot, right? Why
    1. 0
      10 February 2014 01: 49
      Quote: bibet
      This will mean the end of the remnants of the Ukrainian space and aircraft industries, shipbuilding; there is nothing left in the nuclear industry...

      So I explain to you once again, the longer you stay on the Maidan, the faster you will kill your industry! You killed the nuclear industry, this is a fact!
      Ours at least openly talk about their intentions, and yours are jumping around the Maidans while the country is about time to do intensive care!
      We are to blame if you are determined to start a revolution, who will continue to pump money into a state that is ready to commit suicide! Investments require return, this is the law of capitalism! Neither the EU nor the USA will help you; they themselves are doing poorly, choose for yourself, we are ours the choice has been made!
  87. bibet
    0
    10 February 2014 02: 04
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: bibet
    This will mean the end of the remnants of the Ukrainian space and aircraft industries, shipbuilding; there is nothing left in the nuclear industry...

    So I explain to you once again, the longer you stay on the Maidan, the faster you will kill your industry! You killed the nuclear industry, this is a fact!
    Ours at least openly talk about their intentions, and yours are jumping around the Maidans while the country is about time to do intensive care!
    We are to blame if you are determined to start a revolution, who will continue to pump money into a state that is ready to commit suicide! Investments require return, this is the law of capitalism! Neither the EU nor the USA will help you; they themselves are doing poorly, choose for yourself, we are ours the choice has been made!

    no one wants the Maidan, but no one wants the Donetsk mafia, the cowardly inadequate president who is giving the land to the Chinese, is afraid to go out to the people, until your government and foreign policy change, we don’t need Russia’s help
    1. 0
      10 February 2014 02: 12
      Quote: bibet
      Until your government and foreign policy change, we don’t need Russia’s help

      There’s so much pathos, you’re talking heresy, someone who will change power for the sake of another INDEPENDENT country! Ask Obama to change, otherwise Tyagnibok promised to hang them, or ask Merkel to let you immediately join the EU! Let’s see what they tell you in response laughing
  88. alexsey7777
    0
    10 February 2014 02: 13
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: bibet
    Investments are investments of capital for the purpose of making a profit[1][2]

    Come on, is it true, but we didn’t know!!!! laughing
    And airplanes, and engines, and the construction of a ferry, and shipbuilding, and goods of industrial cooperation!?? It’s all like a bow on the side! Or there was no answer in the Galician dictionary! Why are you studying Wikipedia about investments for me!!!

    According to the Deputy Prime Minister, if Ukraine does not make a decision now, then “later we will simply be forced to localize all production.”

    “And we will refuse their services completely. Who will they work with? With the Chinese? Sell to the Chinese? China has also advanced far in this regard. Why do they need Ukraine? I sincerely worry about the fate of our industrial cooperation with Ukraine,” added D. Rogozin.

    He noted that a similar situation is emerging with the An-70 project. In addition, the deputy chairman of the government emphasized, the An-70, in its technical characteristics, is almost a direct competitor of the Russian Il-476
    again, investment in the Russian way, either you are with us or get out...


    Rogozin is a rotten mitten. Ours can build everything themselves, and with high quality, but if they want, but if they are forced, they will also build a model from scratch and make do with their own needs. Currently, 9 high-displacement submarines are being laid down in Russia. Ukrainian ass parts don’t sparkle at all even kilometers from the shipyard...
  89. alexsey7777
    +1
    10 February 2014 02: 18
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: bibet
    This will mean the end of the remnants of the Ukrainian space and aircraft industries, shipbuilding; there is nothing left in the nuclear industry...

    So I explain to you once again, the longer you stay on the Maidan, the faster you will kill your industry! You killed the nuclear industry, this is a fact!
    Ours at least openly talk about their intentions, and yours are jumping around the Maidans while the country is about time to do intensive care!
    We are to blame if you are determined to start a revolution, who will continue to pump money into a state that is ready to commit suicide! Investments require return, this is the law of capitalism! Neither the EU nor the USA will help you; they themselves are doing poorly, choose for yourself, we are ours the choice has been made!


    They have already squandered a couple of billions of their rubles. author peshi ischo! I mean, keep jumping on the Maidan, it’s fun for us, it’s a hole for you :)
  90. alexsey7777
    0
    10 February 2014 02: 23
    Quote: bibet
    Quote: Sid.74
    Quote: bibet
    This will mean the end of the remnants of the Ukrainian space and aircraft industries, shipbuilding; there is nothing left in the nuclear industry...

    So I explain to you once again, the longer you stay on the Maidan, the faster you will kill your industry! You killed the nuclear industry, this is a fact!
    Ours at least openly talk about their intentions, and yours are jumping around the Maidans while the country is about time to do intensive care!
    We are to blame if you are determined to start a revolution, who will continue to pump money into a state that is ready to commit suicide! Investments require return, this is the law of capitalism! Neither the EU nor the USA will help you; they themselves are doing poorly, choose for yourself, we are ours the choice has been made!

    no one wants the Maidan, but no one wants the Donetsk mafia, the cowardly inadequate president who is giving the land to the Chinese, is afraid to go out to the people, until your government and foreign policy change, we don’t need Russia’s help


    Without Russia you are nothing. You should shut off the gas for 2 months, and let’s see how your coal-fired hot tubs puff away, maybe there will be heating, but the food will only be on the fire, as happened in Russia due to the shutdown of substations. Without Russia, you will howl like the last for the crescent, because ANY importer, knowing what valiant payers you are, will provide you with the service ONLY through prepayment #Amer. Baku. If you don’t know anything about economics, and you think that your Ukraine is so omnipotent, then take the flag into your hands. Having learned your name, you will be torn apart in public by those around you.... It’s better to remain silent if you don’t know everything in its entirety and what interconnection and dependence are.
    1. Arad
      -1
      11 February 2014 02: 10
      You’re nobody without gas and oil, you forgot how Western oil workers from Western Ukraine extracted oil for you, but your hands are growing out of your asses..
  91. 0
    10 February 2014 08: 11
    To the admin...well, why the hell did you kill our favorite troll bibet??? he was here on business, and on business we thwarted him as best we could... It seems like you registered a domain in Germany? So what's up ?
    Without an alternative opinion, this is not a discussion, this is the sectarianism of “like-minded people.” He was here with documents... we need to prove that we are right, and not hide our heads in the sand like an ostrich under the threat of sowing national discord. Complete censorship is a colossal harm that deprives people of freedom of speech and the opportunity to resolve problems. Although, of course, this is possible... only one day some will take clubs, while others will not be able to do anything about it because immunity is completely lost. This is an information war and we need to fight it, and not sit under the hood of censorship.
    1. +1
      10 February 2014 10: 21
      Yes bibet was a rare shot! Such people should have been sent to the zoo and protected! They shouldn't have deleted it. But apparently he didn’t read the rules of the VO website, and he didn’t need them! It’s boring without them... but with them the forum will be more interesting Yes
      1. +1
        10 February 2014 20: 31
        I agree...admin is against it.
      2. Arad
        -1
        11 February 2014 02: 07
        don't worry, comrades, he's not the only one
      3. Arad
        -1
        11 February 2014 02: 23
        AnoBat - soon Russia will have its only friend - North Korea and you will be an honorable AMBASSADOR there lol
  92. 0
    10 February 2014 08: 36
    If Russia had not chewed snot and clearly supported the southeast, everything would have fallen into place.
    1. +1
      10 February 2014 09: 57
      Quote: demon184
      If Russia had not chewed snot and clearly supported the southeast, everything would have fallen into place.


      If Russia got involved in the Ukrainian showdown, a civil war would now be in full swing, with the use of aviation, armored vehicles and artillery, the Black Sea would be crowded with NATO ships, and Bandera’s followers would slaughter everyone who “sympathizes” with the Russian “occupiers.”
      1. +3
        10 February 2014 23: 02
        Quote: Corsair5912
        If Russia got involved in the Ukrainian showdown, a civil war would now be in full swing, with the use of aviation, armored vehicles and artillery, the Black Sea would be crowded with NATO ships, and Bandera’s followers would slaughter everyone who “sympathizes” with the Russian “occupiers.”

        Yeah...
        Overseas “colleagues” and their ECC partners are dreaming of the Syrian option...
  93. +1
    10 February 2014 22: 54
    Quote: Slavapom
    I beg you, is there a revolution in Ukraine?! .
    Well, what are you talking about, my friend! Read Ilyich: a revolutionary situation - the upper classes cannot, the lower classes do not want to.
    1. 0
      10 February 2014 23: 09
      Small correction: - "Tops they don’t want to, the lower classes cannot”...
      1. +3
        10 February 2014 23: 12
        Quote: ia-ai00
        A small correction: - “The tops don’t want to, the bottom can’t”...

        I sincerely apologize to the lady -
        what if you change the position? fellow
        1. +1
          10 February 2014 23: 13
          You know better!
          1. +3
            10 February 2014 23: 15
            Quote: ia-ai00
            You know better!

            I wanted to send “To whom in the morning...” to the Maidan - they didn’t accept it at the post office, you bastards... laughing
            1. +1
              10 February 2014 23: 26
              Perhaps your interpretation of Lenin is more suitable for the situation with Ukraine.
              1. +3
                10 February 2014 23: 31
                Quote: ia-ai00
                Perhaps your interpretation of Lenin is more suitable for the situation with Ukraine.

                So let them do the RIGHT thing if they are already going to do it wassat
                1. Arad
                  -1
                  11 February 2014 02: 13
                  spy, change your name
  94. Arad
    -1
    11 February 2014 02: 37
    Fascism (Italian fascismo from fascio “union, bundle, bundle, association”) is a generalized name for far-right political movements, ideologies and the corresponding dictatorial form of government[1][2], the characteristic features of which are nationalism[3][4 ], cult of personality, militarism, totalitarianism[5][6] - today Ukraine and Russia are very similar in form of government

    Another understanding: right-wing ideology is the ideology of social domination, expressing the interests of the dominant social class or a certain ruling group within the ruling class. Left ideology is an ideology of opposition to power, which denies the legitimacy of existing domination and presents a political alternative demanded by new ruling groups and/or lower classes claiming to participate in the distribution of wealth and power.[1] - the people now have a leftist ideology, and Yanukovych has a rightist ideology - he is a fascist, like the two Lilliputians