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On the revolutionary itch in the "post-Soviet twilight"

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“Revolutionary winds”, which blow away the fertile soil layer on which economic success should grow, will not soon cease to disturb the Eurasian space. Writers, directors, the main cast and extras perform the same order. But the result is not the premiers with big box office, but the tragedies of millions of people. For the last four years, Ukraine (today) and Kyrgyzstan (in April 2010) have been fighting for the title of the “main film set”. You can safely draw analogies.


What happened

Lyrical phraseologism "post-Soviet twilight" came up with a prominent atlantist, well-known adviser to the President of Ukraine Yanukovich Bruce Jackson. For all his sincere hatred of the Eurasian integration processes, he was often honest in details, for example, when he wrote that “the conditions in which the post-Soviet states are located may have improved compared to the abyss in which they appeared at the beginning of the 1990s . However, these states have not risen to the level of the Soviet period ... The color revolutions largely throw them back. ”

How does political culture change with every color upheaval? This is clearly seen "on the ground." In Kyrgyzstan, the last “revolution” happened three years ago, and stability is not yet visible. "Pie" is still not divided, but in the "kitchen" there are fewer portions of delicacy. The struggle is constantly sharpening, and the methods are becoming increasingly marginal. We outline the situation with a few strokes.

A member of the Kyrgyz Central Election Commission Gulnara Dzhurabaeva told at one of the big round tables on the results of the “revolutionary changes”: “We have about 2300 precinct election commissions. They include about 25 thousands of people. And, carefully analyzing the results, we see that many of them use dishonest methods. Fraud, "carousel", illegal methods of campaigning. The question immediately arises: is it possible to build competition on such methods? Probably not. Money acts on someone, administrative resources on someone, relatives - on someone. But in the end everyone will answer. ”

“Power is a pyramid, on top of which is either the president, or the parliament, or the government. Our problem is that today the base of this pyramid has rotted. It is easy to deal with presidents. However, it is very difficult to fight with a huge army, whose bribery is already in the mentality, ”these are the words of Raykhan Tologonov, a former deputy of the Kyrgyz parliament. He made this fiery speech in front of the cameras, and after a short time he passed the mandate, because he was caught participating in looting in April 2010.

What will happen

“Everyone has forgotten that thin ice is under their feet,” - such a refrain in public speeches of public figures in Kyrgyzstan can be heard very often. The activity of the masses does not subside, people are used to the fact that they can achieve any of their goals with the help of the rally. Excellent soil for destabilization projects is fertilized each time by regular unrest. Their number in Kyrgyzstan is growing exponentially. In Bakiyev times (before 2010), the crowd gathered a couple of times a year. Now - up to ten, and even more. And almost every rally ends in turmoil: before the leaders somehow controlled the crowd, now there is almost no. Each new wave pursues more parochial interests, the level of responsibility falls. Each subsequent group of "revolutionaries" is trying to speak no worse than the previous one. It turns out not at all, the general vector - on chaos.

Maybe this is an exclusive Kyrgyz script? Ukraine will go the other way, other victims of "color provocations" will present their stories? Yes fullness!

Here again, the ideological opponent of Bruce Jackson refutes this possibility: "Norman Davis in the book" The Disappeared Kingdoms "tells an entertaining history about what happened after the looting of Rome by Alaric in 410, AD As it turned out, Alaric founded the Visigothic kingdom (kingdom) in Aquitaine in France, having built it almost entirely on the basis of political culture, the system of organization and the laws of the Roman Empire itself, to the fall of which he so contributed. In short, after the barbarians plundered Rome, they tried to reconstruct this model, but in a degraded version. ”

Nothing new under the moon, in a word. There is no other way (if we are not talking about a true internal revolution with a change in ideology, political culture and elites). The result of all this is total marginalization.

How does the heart calm down

The way out is simpler than it seems at first glance. Reducing social tensions and strengthening security — state, informational, and public — can turn all this camarilla from destruction to creation. Manipulators of all stripes should be an order of magnitude more difficult to achieve their goals. And only industrialization will reduce social tensions (unemployment stimulates vacillation on rallies). Security ... There’s nothing to talk about. Indeed, even ardent opponents of Eurasian integration processes speak of its potential growth within the framework of the Eurasian association.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 8 February 2014 20: 24
    +4
    “Revolutionary winds”, blowing away the fertile layer of soil on which economic success should grow !!!
    Something has recently become a lot, of these winds !!! The West just won’t calm down that Russia has climbed out of the 90s quagmire and is helping other former Soviet republics to find solid ground !!! And the West is far from happy with it all the time and is catching up with winds to Belarus, Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan and others !!! But for Lukashenko these winds go down the drain, then for Yanukovych it’s a little but a storm !!! In vain the West is trying so hard, the people in Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan are literate, these are not Afghan Taliban, therefore, he himself will figure out what is good for him and what is like death !!!
    1. Civil
      Civil 9 February 2014 11: 27
      +3
      Justice in the distribution of wealth of a country is a natural desire
      1. Arhj
        Arhj 9 February 2014 12: 41
        +2
        I am afraid that in this case we are not talking about demanding an equitable distribution of wealth.
        Kyrgyzstan has always been poor today and in the USSR. There are resources there, but they are scarce and it is so expensive to mine that the profit is too small. Plus, the eternal conflict between the north and the south, the large Uzbek diaspora, Uzbekistan’s claims to the Kyrgyz part of the Ferghana Valley and the problems of its neighbors with water, in which Kyrgyzstan has no particular shortage.
        I don't want to offend anyone, but since Soviet times the country has been lumpenized. Rallies are often attended by those who want to get everything with minimal effort. Lumpen sincerely believes that the authorities are to blame for his problems and, if the government changes, he will be guaranteed "pineapples in champagne". Let me emphasize that what has been said does not apply to all the participants in the rallies, but there are a lot of them in the Kyrgyz maidans.
        The best way to squander the rallies is to take people to work, but as long as the Kyrgyz are rallying, only the Chinese will work there, and China is not interested in Kyrgyz workers.
        1. CALL.
          CALL. 9 February 2014 15: 13
          +3
          To turn this whole camarilla from destruction to creation can reduce social tension and strengthen security - state, information, public. Manipulators of all stripes should become much more difficult to achieve their goals. And only industrialization will reduce social tension (unemployment stimulates reeling in rallies)

          “A ghost is haunting Europe,” the Great Revolutionaries said more than 150 years ago, and they were right.
          Speaking of the era of Stalin, extolling the successes of the USSR, we usually mean industrialization. Indeed, such a pace of economic development has never been anywhere in the world. Never in the world has industrial production grown by more than 16% annually for more than a decade.
          Never and nowhere in the world in ten years have steel production grown more than 4 times, electricity - more than 8 times, machine tools - 25 times, tractors - more than 40 times, combines - more than 120 times, cars in 250 times, etc. etc. Whole new industries were not created in record time - chemical, instrument and machine-tool, bearing, aviation, refrigerating ... You can continue for a very long time, but all this is well known, and therefore it makes no sense to repeat.
          However, behind all this really impressive picture, we somehow completely forget about the changes that have occurred in the daily lives of people, psychology, and the organization of public life. Meanwhile, these changes were no less fantastic.
          “Have you built or not built a good school?” Have you improved your living conditions? Aren't you a bureaucrat? Did you help make our work more efficient, our life more cultural? These will be the criteria with which millions of voters will approach the candidates, discarding the unsuitable, deleting them from the lists, nominating the best and nominating them ...
          Universal, equal, direct and secret elections in the USSR will be a whip in the hands of the population against poorly functioning authorities. Our new Soviet constitution will, in my opinion, be the most democratic constitution of all that exists in the world. ”
          (I.V. Stalin “Conversation with the Chairman of the Scripps-Howard Newspeople American newspaper, Mr. Roy Howard. Published: Pravda, March 5, 1936.)
          Thus, an election is not a choice of three or four varieties ... based on consistency and smell. In fact, elections are certification of officials conducted by voters - the people. He dismisses negligent officials and nominates others in their place. Therefore, Stalin called for "more active nomination of candidates." To have someone to take a vacant position. In this context, arguments like “there is no one to choose from anyway”, “the rest ... even worse”, “if not this, then whom” do not work. Elections are not the choice of lesser evil, but popular certification. This is precisely the meaning of the elections from the standpoint of Stalinism. Neither need to reinvent the wheel. The struggle for the Stalinist legacy continues
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 9 February 2014 07: 10
    +4
    "We will destroy the whole world of violence
    To the ground, and then
    We are ours, we will build a new world.
    Who was nothing, that will become everything.

    Revolutionary frenzy - like alcohol hit hard on the head - though a hangover then comes heavy.
  3. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 February 2014 07: 22
    +17
    It's hard for you without your "big brother" .. We took a walk and plundered everything .. Cold hungry and scared alone ..?
    1. Consul-t
      Consul-t 9 February 2014 09: 51
      +2
      The terrible thing is that this bastard is miscalculating into Russia and here in many places it raises its head.
      The experience in their blood - the crowd and arrogance takes its toll.
    2. alone
      alone 9 February 2014 11: 17
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      It's hard for you without your "big brother" .. We took a walk and plundered everything .. Cold hungry and scared alone ..?


      lol I don’t know how others, but it seems to us not cold and not hungry. Yes, and without an older brother you can somehow live)) wink
      1. 120352
        120352 9 February 2014 11: 59
        +3

        Lonely.
        Yes, and it’s easier for us. The fewer younger brothers, the more time left for themselves. So live in joy. Oil has not yet run out ... Well, then - to Iran or Turkey. Who will take it. If they take it. And most importantly, when the oil runs out, interest from the west will immediately disappear somewhere. Dialectics.
        1. alone
          alone 9 February 2014 12: 50
          +2
          Quote: 120352
          So live in joy. Oil has not yet run out ... Well, then - to Iran or Turkey. Who will take it. If they take it. And most importantly, when the oil runs out, interest from the west will immediately disappear somewhere. Dialectics.


          Already today, the share of oil in GDP has fallen less than 50%, and is decreasing every year. There is usually no need to work for the good of your country, you will have to work for the good of another.
          Iran does not roll. And Turkey has already invested 17 billion investments, this is already more than the Turks have invested in our economy. So, with a certain job, you can live and mutually cooperate. By the way, for your information, Russia and Azerbaijan are the only ones in the CIS that do not have a friend before another debt obligations. All on the principle of "money in the morning, chairs in the evening"
          1. 120352
            120352 9 February 2014 16: 08
            +2
            Sorry, I'm certainly not a specialist in the field
            economy, but if the oil in your GDP is 50%, then what fills the rest of it? Could it be that the incomes of your countrymen in Russia, having taken away all the markets, half of the cafes and restaurants?
            1. alone
              alone 9 February 2014 17: 45
              0
              Quote: 120352
              economy, but if the oil in your GDP is 50%, then what fills the rest of it? Could it be that the incomes of your countrymen in Russia, having taken away all the markets, half of the cafes and restaurants?


              Do you think 37,5 billion dollars go to Azerbaijan from markets and Cafes of Russia? Actually, $ 2013 million dollars were transferred from Russia to Azerbaijan in 92, so our incomes in Russia play no role in the Azerbaijani economy. Just take an interest what capacities are available in Azerbaijan in economic terms.
        2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
          Refugee from Kazakhstan 9 February 2014 18: 19
          -1
          And nobody comes to you except Armenia except (the cat knows whose sour cream has eaten), she has taken away Karabakh and is now looking for all kinds of alliances with you.
      2. CALL.
        CALL. 9 February 2014 15: 33
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        I don’t know how others, but it seems to us not cold and not hungry. Yes, and without an older brother you can somehow live))

        In general, I consider the theory of the "big brother" to be a provocative phantom launched by ideological enemies. While serving in the Soviet Army, none of the Russians considered themselves senior or junior. They treated each other on equal terms. The attitude was - what kind of person you are. There was only one criterion, I would have gone with him to reconnaissance. Only complex non-smart people amused by the thought of some kind of special status of the Russian people. Our strength lies in the unity of all the peoples of Russia. And the Customs Union is based on the rights of equal partners.
        1. 120352
          120352 9 February 2014 16: 27
          +1
          Right! Let's remove the Russian people, or rather, rename the Russians as Russians, as well as those who arrived from Turkestan only yesterday and bought their passports. There are not many Russians left. Only 83% of the total. But how will you call a country without a state-forming nation? Around what will you rally? What language to speak and understand each other? Or are you thinking of learning all 180 languages? Then the name of the country looms: POLYGLOTIA.
          Humanity has already passed. There is information in the myth of the Babel crowding. Want to repeat it?
          In fact, the Russians themselves were never considered older, including in the army, it’s not Russian and necessary. For us it is imperceptible and unimportant. This is for those who want to live with us. But to live with us is to live according to our laws, concepts and customs. You do not want? Drive yourself. But then without us. And not in Russia. We will not notice.
          1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
            Refugee from Kazakhstan 9 February 2014 18: 20
            -2
            Can I call you dad?
          2. CALL.
            CALL. 10 February 2014 15: 50
            0
            Quote: 120352
            In fact, the Russians themselves were never considered older, including in the army, it’s not Russian and necessary. For us it is imperceptible and unimportant. This is for those who want to live with us.

            Yes, right. I wrote about this.
        2. avt
          avt 9 February 2014 17: 23
          0
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          And the Customs Union is based on the rights of equal partners.

          An extremely dangerous delusion that allows nationalists to demand from Russia some kind of "equality" in general, regardless of the capabilities of the demanding one, and some of us dream of "USSR No. 2" in reality. There is no trace of either one, hence the beginning of some disappointment in separate "comrades from the field" and supporters of the Empire. The Customs Union is based on the UNIFORM RULES OF RELATIONSHIP in the sphere defined by the signed agreements on the territory of the participating countries, that is, the voluntary adoption of the rules of interaction within the national states of their signatories and equalizing their own national legislation, performs, each without over national structures with delegated powers, in this case, in the economic block, which allows the participating countries to protect their own market and develop cooperation, with the application of certain efforts, among themselves and in an organized way to resist from the outside. powers listed in documentsTS. There is not even such a level of governance in the EVRAZES project as in the European Union. The Elbasy only just threw a thought that there might be a political union. Or maybe not. This run vryatli just did it, it seems to be worried about the succession of power and is looking for additional support for the receiver.
          1. Lindon
            Lindon 10 February 2014 14: 07
            +1
            Quote: avt
            Elbasy just threw a thought that it could be and a political union can be. And it may not be. This vryatli just did it like that, it seems to be worried about the issue of the succession of power and is looking for additional support for the receiver.


            A young man, your phrase can also be attached to a speech at Moscow State University from the 1994 of the year (after Yeltsin shot the White House with tanks in 1993) and generally to any Nazarbayev’s thought about alliances.
            As you are young, everything is so easy to calculate the 76 summer politician. You need to work for Putin.
            Sometimes it's better to be silent than to chat.
  4. the polar
    the polar 9 February 2014 07: 26
    +7
    There are no "color revolutions", this is a propaganda device of substitution of concepts, calculated to consolidate the negative reaction of the masses to the word "revolution".
    In reality, all these "color revolutions" are the struggle of several near-government groups for a place at the top of power. Most often, some of these groups are supported by external forces interested in creating political chaos and instability in a given country. The goal of all these groupings-clans is the same - the merciless exploitation of the working people. For this they are fighting among themselves.

    But a revolution is a sudden spontaneous process caused by interclass contradictions, when the patience of the working class ends and it sweeps away the class of exploiter-oppressors, taking power into their own hands.

    So, there were no revolutions in either Kyrgyzstan or Ukraine. Real revolutions are yet to come.
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 9 February 2014 12: 05
      +2
      Quote: Polar
      Real revolutions are yet to come.
      correctly noticed, comrade!
  5. Igor39
    Igor39 9 February 2014 07: 43
    +6
    It’s funny, they’ll do business, and then the most proud ones will run to mum (Russia) or go hungry, well, some go west to get together.
    1. vo.dum
      vo.dum 9 February 2014 08: 33
      +7
      Yes, and mother of Russia is not very sweet without reliance on these most unreasonable kids. It is necessary to assemble a family ... but it will be difficult ... they want to rape their sister Ukraine, and the brothers do not intervene ... one at a time is weaker and there is a whole crowd...
  6. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 9 February 2014 08: 09
    +3
    they all need to understand one thing, I mean, whose hands are these revolutions being made, the revolutions begin and end, and you always want to eat, he will not be given a pension for a simple revolutionary. . People suffering living standards are falling.
  7. Name
    Name 9 February 2014 08: 24
    +2
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Revolutionary frenzy - like alcohol hit hard on the head - though a hangover then comes heavy.

    And as usual with of Russia they will start asking for the "opokhmelka" ...
    1. 120352
      120352 9 February 2014 12: 04
      0
      The best cure for a hangover is occupational therapy. For the good of Russia, but beyond.
  8. kaktus
    kaktus 9 February 2014 09: 02
    +2
    "The way out of the situation is easier than it seems at first glance. Reducing social tension and strengthening security - state, informational, public, can turn this whole camarilla from destruction to creation. Manipulators of all stripes should make it an order of magnitude more difficult to achieve their goals. And social tension will reduce only industrialization (unemployment stimulates wandering around rallies). Security ... There is nothing to talk about here. After all, even ardent opponents of the Eurasian integration processes speak of its potential growth within the framework of the Eurasian union. "

    Only politicians do not want to understand this. fool
    1. Consul-t
      Consul-t 9 February 2014 09: 53
      +1
      It just seems that simple.
      Who in the region where crowds of uncontrollable robbers roam will build factories?
      Nobody will invest their money. There are no fools.
      1. 120352
        120352 9 February 2014 12: 09
        -1
        And this is already the problem of the Ministry of Internal Affairs killed by us. Robbers - in the zone. Let them build a railway somewhere on Novaya Zemlya or a transpolar railway from Murmansk to Uelen. Useful business. And most importantly, there is nowhere to rob, and his hands will be combed - a shovel in his hands and an increased task. Very much helps. And most importantly. people benefit!
  9. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 February 2014 09: 37
    +3
    But Russia has become different .. taught by bitter and bloody experience! It's a pity, of course, and "we can start a tear," but only now "In the morning, money in the evening chairs .." .. hi You taught us a good lesson in the 90s .. Thank you for opening your eyes!
    1. alone
      alone 9 February 2014 11: 18
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      But Russia has become different .. taught by bitter and bloody experience! It is a pity, of course, and "we can put a tear" but only now "In the morning money chairs in the evening .." .. You taught us a good lesson in the 90s .. Thank you opened your eyes!


      You are mistaken. Again, you give loans to just anyone, and "Money in the morning, chairs in the evening" works only with a few countries. All the same mistakes Vitaly.
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 9 February 2014 18: 22
        -2
        Yes, let them do the second squander, there are enough taxpayers in the country, all the more so the Slav brothers are not sorry!
  10. marsavin.yu
    marsavin.yu 9 February 2014 09: 57
    0
    The way out of the situation is easier than it seems at first glance. To turn this whole camarilla from destruction to creation can reduce social tension and strengthen security - state, information, public. Manipulators of all stripes should become much more difficult to achieve their goals. And only industrialization will reduce social tension (unemployment stimulates reeling at rallies). Safety ... There’s nothing to talk about.
    Your lips and honey would drink!
  11. andrei332809
    andrei332809 9 February 2014 10: 06
    +1
    Okay, we lost these "states" for 50 years (I mean Asia). fence ourselves off with an iron curtain with bayonets, let them spread rot against each other. This is the kindest thing that we can do for the screams, robberies and murders that they committed against the Russians in the 90s am
    py.sy. and, yes .. also send their citizens on foot to their homeland from our country. everyone. then they will generally "sweet" there.
  12. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 9 February 2014 10: 26
    +2
    The cactus is right, only the development of industry, high technology, agriculture and the strengthening of defense potential can save and strengthen the state.
    1. 120352
      120352 9 February 2014 12: 14
      -1
      I completely agree! But today, any investment in any production without the participation of HONEST VD authorities will not bring success. Bandits will come and take everything away.
      And you need to start with agriculture. We are a food dependent country. And the lands are empty. When we feed the population, it, well-fed, will be able to raise science and knowledge-intensive technologies, factories, factories. On this basis, the armed forces can be strengthened.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 9 February 2014 15: 56
        0
        Quote: 120352
        And you need to start with agriculture. We are a food dependent country. And the lands are empty. When we feed the population, it, well-fed, will be able to raise science and knowledge-intensive technologies, factories, factories. On this basis, the armed forces can be strengthened.

        Only the enemy will not wait until the people are fed and he will begin to strengthen the armed forces. Only the simultaneous modernization of the country, economic and social progress, improving the lives of people, the whole society, without privileged classes - only in this case the revival of the USSR is possible. Here is how I.V. said this. Stalin.
        1. 120352
          120352 9 February 2014 16: 35
          -1
          Dreams, dreams ... I want everything at once. Understand. But with hungry people it is unlikely that it will succeed. Yes, and there is no Stalin. And there will be no more.
          1. CALL.
            CALL. 10 February 2014 15: 09
            0
            Quote: 120352
            Understand. But with hungry people it is unlikely that it will succeed. Yes, and there is no Stalin.

            Yes, there is no Stalin. But there are developments on which the USSR (Russia) was revived, although at that time people were not well-fed.
  13. muhomor
    muhomor 9 February 2014 10: 39
    +2
    It is necessary to introduce external management of the "big brother".
    1. 120352
      120352 9 February 2014 16: 36
      -2
      So no one is older than us. It is necessary to knock out the stool from under the younger one, so that he does not seem older and everything will fall into place.
  14. parus2nik
    parus2nik 9 February 2014 12: 13
    +3
    Gone are the "occupants", but as it turned out, they have no brains of their own .. As comrade NV Gogol wrote: "Well, what did your Poles help you with?"
  15. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 9 February 2014 12: 19
    0
    Gentlemen, comrades, let's remember a wise thought: flies separately - cutlets separately. As a citizen of ErEfia, I prefer to eat cutlets, and let the "younger brothers" catch flies. And this is true, since cutlets are in short supply. When the leaders of Erefia turn to face the people and pay attention to the needs of their own "electorate", instead of licking out the West's well-known places, Erefia will indeed become a full-fledged RUSSIAN FEDERATION, then we will raise the issues of "fraternal assistance to younger brothers." Hard? YES! But otherwise it is NOT!
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 9 February 2014 15: 33
      +3
      Quote: 11111mail.ru
      ErEfiya really will become a full-fledged RUSSIAN FEDERATION

      You don’t like Russia so much, since you call it ErEfia? While humiliating your country, you lower yourself, think about it. We have a full-fledged country - RUSSIA, no matter how you belittle it. It smacks of pro-Western liberalism, it will not lead to good.
      1. 120352
        120352 9 February 2014 16: 44
        -3
        And you, apparently, from the party workers. You can love a country only by treating the processes taking place in it responsibly and critically. Do you like everything that happens with us today? If "YES", I believe that you live somewhere in another country. And you should not use the word "liberalism" as a dirty word. It just means freedom. Or are you a supporter of prison content?
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 9 February 2014 18: 29
          +1
          Quote: 120352
          And you, you see, from party workers.

          To your regret, I have never been a member of the party. When the party organizer came home to me to offer to join this party, my answer was: "In your party, a thief sits on a thief and drives a thief." After that, they did not approach me with such proposals.
          But to my regret, I do not like everything that is happening in our country. But I support Putin’s policy, he’s doing everything right, despite the sticks that your beloved liberals are putting in.
          And yet, what liberals allow me to do, I would not attribute to freedom, rather it is anarchy. Yes, I am a supporter of prison sentences, but only of the Nazis and the unbelted Natsik. They have a place in prison, not in society. But to whom you belong, this is a big question, most likely to majors - slang is similar to theirs. Remember, you need to love your homeland not only when everything is fine in it, but also when hard times come! But I'm afraid my post is the voice of one crying in the wilderness, for you. We apparently live in different worlds.
    2. internatio
      internatio 10 February 2014 06: 41
      0
      No, a citizen of the Russian Federation, you are wrong! When there is fascism-raising standards, it is not up to the sole love-hatred of one's Stainless. Small principalities strangle one at a time, but the fascists will come to you. Moreover, in Russia there are a lot of them. When Russian organizations looked at Russia in Crimea for many years, the stakes were very high. And now hysteria has begun, not a reasonable partnership. Instead of cooperating with the people, there was support for a narrow circle of politicians with their crowd of approbates bought by them. At the same time, Russian people were left without their own premises, libraries, or office equipment. But we survived. We are Russians. And not the younger brothers.
  16. Stinger
    Stinger 9 February 2014 12: 33
    0
    Quote: Polar
    There are no "color revolutions"

    It is right. The revolution leads to a change in the social system. The word is vulgarized with a light hand of journalists. So every fight for a place at the feeding trough or for a redistribution of property can be equated with a revolution.
  17. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 February 2014 12: 45
    +2
    Quote: lonely
    Quote: MIKHAN
    It's hard for you without your "big brother" .. We took a walk and plundered everything .. Cold hungry and scared alone ..?


    lol I don’t know how others, but it seems to us not cold and not hungry. Yes, and without an older brother you can somehow live)) wink

    It seems so to you ..))) bully You buy weapons from us .. and that's not even the point .. You are pressing to Russia .. perfectly understanding that we will cover you if anything .. and no matter what .. Let's be honest ..! All of you "exes" know what a "managed house" is. You don't have that, and it's not just your merit .. bully In which case you will be swept away .. You’ll be Iran .. or Turkey .. (no offense) .. Under the USSR, the borders were drawn there ... heh heh .. The point is simply not impudent and everything .. will be clear!
    1. alone
      alone 9 February 2014 22: 52
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      It seems so to you ..))) You buy weapons from us .. and that's not even the point .. You press to Russia .. perfectly understanding that we will cover you if anything .. and no matter what .. Let's be honest ..! All of you "former" know what a "managed house" is. You don't have that, and it's not only your merit .. If something happens, you will be swept away .. Iran will be .. or Turkey .. (no offense) .. Under the USSR, borders were drawn there ... heh heh .. The meaning is simply not to be impudent and everything .. will be clear!


      We buy that weapon at world prices, but we do not get it for free. And you Vitaly know perfectly well who is pressing towards you. You scare us with the "controlled house", passed in 93, as you can see, we managed to solve this problem, even when we were in a difficult situation. sweep away
      for this you have to sweat a lot. And about impudence does not apply to us. As long as your back is highlighted insolent. Protect the impudent, not even respecting your signature on international documents! Here it is, Vitaly, but you also want to be together as before. This does not happen.
  18. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 February 2014 14: 16
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    Quote: lonely
    Quote: MIKHAN
    But Russia has become different .. taught by bitter and bloody experience! It is a pity, of course, and "we can put a tear" but only now "In the morning money chairs in the evening .." .. You taught us a good lesson in the 90s .. Thank you opened your eyes!


    You are mistaken. Again, you give loans to just anyone, and "Money in the morning, chairs in the evening" works only with a few countries. All the same mistakes Vitaly.

    Give ..! and swallow (without thinking) and then we will begin to pull the fishing line and have already begun ... bully There are miscalculations, but nevertheless we keep on the small box ..! (you can always hook up ..)) bully
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 9 February 2014 18: 26
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      You fly with Ukraine!
    2. alone
      alone 9 February 2014 22: 53
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      Quote: MIKHAN
      Give ..! and swallow (without thinking) and then we will begin to pull the fishing line and have already begun ...


      Ingestion, as usual, ends with write-offs of loans))) It’s good that in this regard there is no one independent))
  19. Neophyte
    Neophyte 9 February 2014 20: 40
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    Something tells us that there will never be order in these khanates.
    Eastern mentality, however! These states after the collapse of the Union, simply
    returned to their centuries-old being. The whole husk of civilizational efforts
    Russia flew off, exposing the face of traditional values, well described
    unforgettable Khoja Nasredinom.
    1. internatio
      internatio 10 February 2014 07: 02
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      Neophyte, but what about the principle: "if something happens, then someone needs it"?
      I am convinced that you did not read the Dulles doctrine. Indeed, in the post-Soviet republics, not so much everything Soviet was destroyed, but everything was vitally normal. The degradation of society, the economy, politics, education, health, the armed forces, and internal security agencies is not the face of traditional values, but intentional actions. On the example of Ukraine in particular. And there will be order, but a person with willpower, intelligence, and morality is needed.
      1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 10 February 2014 08: 32
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        I am quoting you: "The degradation of society, economy, politics, education, health care, the armed forces, internal security agencies" DO NOT PRESENT WISH FOR REAL! OR WARMING YOUR SOUL?
        1. internatio
          internatio 12 February 2014 17: 23
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          Under each of my words, I will not only sign it, but I will also give undeniable arguments. Living in the Crimea and in Ukraine you see the situation from the inside. Unfortunately, not everything can be written in discussions even on such sites. Come to Crimea for a month. Warm autumn or in April - early May. You can see and learn a lot, especially when communicating with people. And he evaluates each situation to the extent of his awareness, education and beliefs.
          And further. Destruction, degradation and collapse never warmed the soul. We have always built, developed and, in general, built. And the labeled one destroyed. Now we have only to resist. And educate the youth.