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Once again about the Russian question and about the Maidan

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Somehow I caught the phrase, which I consider to be a wonderful definition of the true nature of Ukrainian-Russian relations: “God and Russia, Ukraine, probably, like twin children, are outwardly different, but are inwardly loved by their Heavenly Father. As far as we are Orthodox, as much as we and together, as far as we depart from the faith, so much we depart from each other. ”


Unfortunately, some things have to be explained again and again to many people. And both in Ukraine and in Russia. And the main of these things is that we are all one.

Russian people - what is it? This is not a narrow national concept like the Western European nations. This is a rather unique community formed on the territory of Russia on the basis of Eastern Slavic tribes and the Orthodox faith. After all, it is no secret that if we take the issue of blood, then for many centuries many others mixed with the Russian people - Polovtsy, Finns, Tatars, numerous Ural and Caucasian ethnic groups and others. Those. Russian today is not just a representative of nationality. This person is Orthodox (even if not very religious) in his mentality, in his outlook, in his system of values. Russian is more of a civilization affiliation than just a nationality, much less a citizenship.

So, today's problems in Ukraine are determined primarily by the crisis of self-consciousness of the people living here. The people, who for centuries have recognized themselves as Russian, belonging to the Russian civilization, suddenly began to explain that they were not Russian, that they were completely different - Ukrainian. The most "enlightened" minds even began to assert that there is no blood connection between the Ukrainian and the Russian at all. That they almost all enemies were enemies. What they didn’t remember: the squalid battles of the 12th century, some miserable episodes of the Russian-Polish wars, and Mazepa ... They couldn’t dig up anything significant, but they sowed the grain of lies and hatred into immature minds. So today, a person is sitting somewhere in Kiev, Russian to the bone in his ideas about good and evil, according to the most basic values, according to his worldview, in essence, sits - and cannot understand who he is! The mind tells him that he is Ukrainian, so he was taught at school, at the institute, or just 25 was hammered on TV for years. And his heart does not accept this, and he does not see anything in common with any Pole or German. But with his native Ivan from Kostroma - very much so. Well, it turns out that Pushkin, Tchaikovsky, Dostoevsky, Lomonosov and all-all-all-it's like not mine? Is this some kind of foreign culture made? What is mine? Shevchenko and Franco? And all? For one and a half thousand years stories Of Ukraine, how is this being told in the media and textbooks? Isn't it humiliating in the end? Instead of a sense of belonging to one of the greatest civilizations and cultures in the entire history of mankind, he is offered an image of a slaughtered provincial, suppressed for hundreds of years by some terrible Russia. Provincial, which for all these hundreds of years and create something failed. Even the language, because no matter how much the guardians shout for the Ukrainian language everywhere and everywhere, any sane person must admit that the Ukrainian language is, sorry for being rude, underdeveloped. It is literally underdeveloped. That is, did not develop into a high language. He simply does not have a highly developed conceptual apparatus, sufficient to describe the whole range of scientific, cultural issues and just human relations, all the subtleties of social being. This can be seen at least from the fact that today all these missing concepts and terms are actively being invented by journalists and other figures - we all see this in the media, everyone is already sick of this “Ukrainian new”. This is absolutely not the nightingale mova that we were taught in school under the Union (by the way, it was the carriers of this mova who were taught). This is some mutilated adverb. And this man is sitting and cannot find himself. He is constantly in a state of some kind of dope, uncertainty, painfully reflecting on who he is.

And now comes the moment of truth. After 25 years of the “borderline” state, you still have to choose - either you are Russian or not. The trouble is that even those who make a choice in favor of "non-Russians" still remain Russians by nature. And they will get into the same network, in which 400 years ago the unhappy Galicians got: they will give up their Russianness, but they will not melt into anything else. And they will hate the Poles and Muscovites, and they will hate them. An unfortunate, strayed tribe, hating, in fact, themselves, their nature. A complex of a fragment of Russian culture, which has been tossed around for four centuries between its Russian essence and the imposed Western culture.

Often one has to read on the web the statements of some people from Russia, especially those who do not remember the times of the USSR, that, say, Ukrainians are, of course, fraternal people, but do the brothers behave like this? And similar phrases. Understand, finally, that we are all Russians - and here, in Ukraine, and in Belarus, and in Russia. Yes, there are differences in language, culture, some traditions. But we are all united by a single Russian entity, based on Slavic roots and the Orthodox worldview. This worldview has been brought up in us for a thousand years, and it is almost impossible to erase it from us. Even if a person is an unbeliever, his entire value system, the whole world perception, the scale of the gradations of good and evil — all this remains essentially Orthodox. And it is fundamentally different from the Western system of values, the Catholic-Protestant. What exactly - is the subject of individual reflection.

800 years. Nothing changes.


Today we all - all Russians - were, perhaps, before the decisive choice. We must remember, finally, that we are all one, despite our local peculiarities, that what is called Russian culture and civilization is our common heritage and achievement, that in modern literary Russian the share of Kiev’s influence is no less than Moscow’s . Otherwise, we will finally be divided and will inevitably perish. Russia is an empire. Without the imperial spirit (in the understanding of the Orthodox empire), Russia cannot exist. That is its purpose. And without Ukraine, as we know, there is no Russian empire. And not because Ukraine is so important with its resources or its strategic position. Because the fact that today is called Ukraine is the spiritual center, the historical basis and the root of the Empire. This is Small Russia, central Russia, Russia in its most direct and immediate meaning. And the defense of this Russia is the duty of every Russian, no matter where he lives - in Kiev, Moscow or Minsk.

Today, “Maidan” challenges not Ukraine, and not Russians in Ukraine, and not Putin. He is under the star-blue flag of Europe. For the crusaders of the European integrators he challenges Russia as such. And I want to believe that the Russian spirit is still alive, and that Russia will still rise to its full mighty growth - from the Carpathians to Vladivostok, from the Crimea to Lithuania - and once again show the world who is the boss here!
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 8 February 2014 07: 37
    +15
    good layout good
    and maydanutye ... well then now? they will not calm down now. felt strong, and even zadapodusy with might and main for them. only very sharply and very hard to beat them on the head, in any other way
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 8 February 2014 08: 05
      +5
      Here are a couple of fun videos (with ANNA NEWS):
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 8 February 2014 18: 39
        +3
        I understand his conversation by 70-80 percent ... Unlike zapadentsev.
      2. Zhaman-Urus
        Zhaman-Urus 8 February 2014 20: 01
        +1
        We have the same homeless people in landfills rummaging in search of metal and glass containers!
    2. ele1285
      ele1285 8 February 2014 08: 07
      +7
      Quote: andrei332809
      and maydanutye ... well then now?

      Yes, just give Yatsenyuk and Klitschko to read a book
      HOW TO MANAGE THE STATE without attracting the attention of psychiatrists.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 8 February 2014 08: 08
        +9
        I think they should not be given books, but good trends.
        1. domokl
          domokl 8 February 2014 10: 51
          +4
          I’ll move a little away from the article. It’s just because the topic of Russians and the topic of Ukraine, in my opinion, are two completely different poles of relations. Do you want a poll? I’m sure that even the most inveterate nationalists in Russia have only a small proportion of bad attitude towards Peter or Mikole there ... At the human level, we are brothers. Genetic memory, the use of oil for the souls of youth-We come from the Dnieper waters ...
          But the attitude to Ukraine is completely different. The state of Ukraine for Russia is most often an enemy. Not an adversary, but an enemy. Not like the United States (everything is honestly who's who), but dressed up in sheep's clothing. Like a sheep, but turn your back and grab to the neck...
          So about yesterday. We gathered to watch the opening of OI ... A huge TV, home theater, a good table ... Naturally, after a glass of tea, the conversation turned to politics. More precisely, I started a conversation. It seemed to me that everyone should be interested. People then it was not simple, understanding and, most importantly, gathered people who knew the situation much deeper than just journalists.
          But the conversation didn’t work out. I was besieged in the most unceremonious way. The essence is simple-forget it ... We don’t give a damn. We just know a lot from there.
          Isn't that a strange attitude? In fact, the pace of the confrontation is lost and everyone understands that nothing will happen. They will peacefully format the country, make a federation, peacefully return to the old Constitution. And this will not affect Russia. Putin, like that cat from fables, listens, and eats. And in the economic sphere, redirecting enterprises to local suppliers, and in the political, strengthening the influence of Russia, and not of unions, and moral ...
      2. Major_Vortex
        Major_Vortex 8 February 2014 08: 32
        +10
        Nenene, no Klitschko and Yatsenyuk should be allowed to power! Why do we need these fosterlings of the West, headless and muddy, who only read on a piece of paper. It’s clear where these pieces of paper come from. Dismiss
      3. AVV
        AVV 8 February 2014 12: 15
        +6
        Quote: ele1285
        Quote: andrei332809
        and maydanutye ... well then now?

        Yes, just give Yatsenyuk and Klitschko to read a book
        HOW TO MANAGE THE STATE without attracting the attention of psychiatrists.

        Maydonuty have one diagnosis, and the diagnosis is not comforting, they will live but not for long !!! Without money, without work, at best osanizatorami of the European Union !!! Or wipe the backs of the British and burghers, if luck smiles, and if not then the Poles !!!
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 8 February 2014 18: 45
          +4
          Life will be bad, but not for long ... If memory serves, Gaidar opus)))
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 8 February 2014 08: 07
      +4
      Here, check out:
      1. common man
        common man 8 February 2014 09: 37
        +7
        Notice the poster, 0:58 in the video. What bastard drew it? And who wants to arrange a gadyushnik from Manezhnaya? I hope our "competent authorities" will not disregard this work, and will take action to the authors to return to Russia. And it's better to deal with the authors right there, in the fortuneteller. In order not to tweet for the whole people.
        1. 31231
          31231 8 February 2014 13: 21
          +3
          Maybe this pipe. On another site, everything is being promoted by Maidan. Itself from Moscow.

      2. Slavapom
        Slavapom 8 February 2014 12: 27
        +1
        http://pleer.com/tracks/9233254maX7 послушайте, просто послушайте, а потом, если понравится, прочтите романы этого ПИСАТЕЛЯ А.Ивакина 'Мы погибнем вчера', 'Десантура 1942', 'Адские высоты' лично на меня они произвели неизгладимое впечатление.
    4. Civil
      Civil 8 February 2014 10: 06
      +2
      If YOU are all so Russian there, why don’t you join Russia?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 8 February 2014 12: 40
        +12
        Quote: Civil
        If YOU are all so Russian there, why don’t you join Russia?

        And you do not believe what they write in opinion polls! 81% of the adult population DOES NOT SUPPORT maidan!
        1. TOR70
          TOR70 8 February 2014 12: 43
          -10%
          you are mistaken 48%
          1. 31231
            31231 8 February 2014 13: 22
            +6
            you are mistaken 48%


            Is it Ragulvivshchyna and Kiev?
        2. vostok1982
          vostok1982 8 February 2014 15: 24
          +12
          Maidan supports 4-5 million. The rest are normal people. Many, of course, do not like Yanukovych for all this European integration, which he has been promoting for 2 years. But there are no alternatives. Either Yanukovych or even completely frostbitten.
        3. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 8 February 2014 18: 50
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: Civil
          If YOU are all so Russian there, why don’t you join Russia?

          And you do not believe what they write in opinion polls! 81% of the adult population DOES NOT SUPPORT maidan!


          Where is it? West or east? Or all?
      2. matross
        matross 8 February 2014 14: 50
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        If YOU are all so Russian there, why don’t you join Russia?

        I read in Z. Prilepin: "Who is a Russian? He who never takes the last piece and does not put an empty bottle on the table."
        And the reunion will happen, sooner or later.
        1. Nick
          Nick 9 February 2014 20: 33
          0
          Quote: matRoss
          And the reunion will happen, sooner or later.

          Better late than never, but sooner ...
      3. vostok1982
        vostok1982 8 February 2014 15: 22
        +14
        Umm ... Trying. Just how to do it? With a gun in your hand? We select for ourselves presidents who promise to integrate with Russia. But after the election, they (Yanukovych and Kuchma) dramatically change color. And we don’t choose others - they are 100 times worse, outright fascists.
        The Communist Party is constantly trying to hold a referendum on integration into the TS - they are not giving it. What else to do?
        I would look at you, wise guy, if your region or republic separated in the 91st and by all laws would become independent. What would you do? Would rush to the barricades? I would go to jail for trying to undermine state sovereignty or something else there. Ukraine is an object of politics, not a subject. It always has been. Issues are resolved in Moscow and Washington, and not in Kiev. The people will follow Moscow, but it is Moscow that must take steps. Just because you can, and we can’t.
        1. Aleksandr65
          Aleksandr65 8 February 2014 22: 33
          +1
          I absolutely agree with you.
    5. avt
      avt 8 February 2014 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      good layout

      Yes . Collage is good good organically entered the article.
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 8 February 2014 16: 57
        +3
        Quote: avt
        Yes . Collage good good organically entered the article

        Yes, good. But why are all these knight dogs left-handed?
        Some sense in this hint is felt -THEY ARE NOT LIKE WE! drinks
  2. dark_65
    dark_65 8 February 2014 07: 42
    +4
    to burn out ... how not blasphemous, but Comrade Kim did the right thing to cut out all the "relatives" - you need to remember a thing, sometimes nasty.
    Do you think the grandchildren of Bandera were assimilated in the USSR?
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 8 February 2014 07: 54
    +3
    Russian people - what is it?

    From the point of view of the existing power of the Russian people does not exist, there are Chechen, Tatar and other ethnic groups.
    And from the Russians they made some kind of amorphous mass, state-forming, that is, in the current passport, this column was specially removed so as not to annoy other nations.
    I have always been rejected by such an attitude of those in power towards my people, at the same time I do not want the Russian people pushing TARAN in the solution of some dubious reforms and revolutions - ENOUGH THIS LOOSE THROUGH THIS.
  4. delfinN
    delfinN 8 February 2014 08: 23
    +12
    Already one animal was waiting for you
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 8 February 2014 08: 38
      +16
      Quote: delfinN
      Already one animal was waiting for you
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 8 February 2014 20: 49
        +2
        Until the completeness of the work of art, consisting of three paintings, does not have one more, then it will be FULL TRIPTYCH, and complete ... Ts!
        You delfinN RU, and you andrei332809 (3) RU, +100!
        Thank you, we laughed heartily!
  5. stroporez
    stroporez 8 February 2014 08: 23
    +6
    I think that soon the question of Ukraine will disappear by itself, because if the Dnieper region will remain from Ukraine, it’s good. The "European friends" are already almost openly dividing it. Hungary wants its border in the Carpathians, Poland - allegedly its "eastern lands", Romania -Bessarabia, etc. so sho, with the development of friendship with "civilized kvropy, Ukraine will disappear little by little ................... but it's a pity.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 8 February 2014 14: 46
      +7
      and they don’t want the well-known vegetable letter X in the European politically correct hole *? Instead of sharing.
      In general, no one will share. All these are pawns and they themselves can not do anything.
      1. densh
        densh 8 February 2014 17: 29
        +7
        Quote: Cristall
        All these are pawns and they themselves can not do anything.

        These are all the so-called Young Europeans, for whom Washington is the ultimate truth (excuse the banality). And they pay attention to the shouts from Berlin and Paris only secondarily. So if the command "You can" is heard, they will rush to vomit without any complexes, restoring "historical justice". hi
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 11 February 2014 10: 16
        0
        They are, of course, pawns, but if you are a "big brother" from overseas, who drives a prezik in Ukraine .......... then wait for everyone. I think, Ukrainian sidekicks will not deprive us of action .......
  6. Nekarmadlen
    Nekarmadlen 8 February 2014 08: 36
    +3
    Very much! You just said that I, like that dog that understood everything, but could not put into words! Thanks to the author of the article!
  7. Mihail29
    Mihail29 8 February 2014 09: 04
    +4
    I dare disagree with the author, "this is more a civilizational affiliation than just a nationality", in my opinion it is a nationality and if we talk about the reconstruction of the Russian world as a current one, then the authorities need to pay attention to the carriers of this nationality. As in ancient times, Russia was created (when the Russian ridge was overgrown with the meat of other nationalities), I apologize for such a comparison, but even in our difficult time, a Tatar is proud that he is a Russian officer, and a Bashkir that he is a Russian ballerina, etc. This suggests that Russians have a rich history with great achievements, and if we make it so that the present ones are comparable to the successes of the past, then the fascist ideas of these scumbags will disappear by themselves in every country.
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 8 February 2014 09: 13
    +6
    Unhappy, lost tribe, hating, in fact, themselves, their nature. A notorious fragment of Russian culture that has been rushing for four centuries between its Russian essence and the imposed Western culture.

    Unhappy, speak? Tossing about? I wouldn’t say that. There are those who abandoned their Russianness, and there are those who fought for it. The choice has been made and is now bearing fruit.

    "The National Guard of Ukraine calls on all extremist forces to seize gas distribution stations in the west of the country in order to have an instrument of influence on the Ukrainian authorities, Russia and the EU. The head of the National Guard Igor Didkovsky writes about this on his Facebook page. , ordinary people, to all those who supported our struggle for the dignity of the nation, the struggle against the humiliation of our honor, the struggle that then grew into the National Revolution, one of the driving forces of which is the National Guard of Ukraine.
    Our goals are simple. We want to build a nation state, where the owner will be a Ukrainian, and not a handful of bandits, communists, representatives of the MILITARY national minorities, who inherited from the dead empire, which for centuries did not allow us to live freely on our God-given land.
    Now we, Ukrainians, are forced to fight not only with representatives of the gangster regime, but also with those who are in our rear. I mean the so-called “opposition”, which is carefully trying to merge the protest of the Ukrainians and blow all the whistles. All of these pseudo-liberals, democrats, and representatives of the ENVIRONMENTAL national and sexual minorities have nothing to do with our revolution and have nothing to do with our genealogy. It is they who are slowing down the protest of Ukrainians now, are working against the Maidan, and are making concessions to the bandit regime.
    The National Revolution is in danger. Leaders, one at a time, are squeezed out of the borders of their native Ukraine, the venal opposition constantly makes concessions, slows down all active actions, opposing the so-called “extremism”.
    In this difficult time, the National Guard of Ukraine calls for taking responsibility for radical actions to save the National Revolution.
    We consider it expedient to carry out an attack on strategic objects of the gas industry in Western Ukraine. The transfer of gas infrastructure under the control of the National Guard will allow us to put OUR requirements of Russia and the EU. It is in these gas distribution stations and pipelines that the key to the victory of the National Revolution is located. Taking control of gas transit, we will agree with Russia and the European Union and defend the National Revolution. It is necessary to tear the gas valve out of the hands of the gangster regime and pro-Russian lackeys. We believe that the time has come to resort to the most radical actions. If necessary, the gas pipeline will be blocked. This is a small price for the real independence of Ukraine and a break in relations with our hostile northern neighbor.
    This is the only chance to win this war. Thank you for understanding.
    God with us! Ukraine Will! ”.
    http://www.versii.com/news/296816/
    1. Jaros81
      Jaros81 8 February 2014 10: 01
      +4
      If they only dare to seize the gas distribution stations, then retaliation will come inevitably. What, what, and Gazprom does not like when someone captures something. Russia will simply send troops, but there is a reason. Yes, I think the Russians themselves in Ukraine will try to beat out the idiots
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 8 February 2014 11: 34
      +6
      Quote: Egoza
      Taking control of gas transit, we will agree with Russia and the European Union and defend the National Revolution. It is necessary to tear the gas valve out of the hands of the gangster regime and pro-Russian lackeys

      dibila passage immediately agree with Russia and tear the valve from the pro-Russian lackeys, and special forces as a gift do not want to receive from Russia?
    3. Andrey N
      Andrey N 8 February 2014 13: 19
      +2
      "The National Guard will allow OUR demands to be made by Russia and the EU. It is in these gas distribution stations and pipelines that the key to victory lies."

      Requirements for Russia !!! You and your family, make demands to close relatives? Based on the will of the prodigal son! No matter how European pork horns started to eat. Or stomped a leg? Do not let us walk through our room ?! No one who is divided can stand it, God said it.
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 8 February 2014 15: 45
        +2
        Taking control of gas transit, we will agree with Russia and the European Union and defend the National Revolution. It is necessary to tear the gas valve out of the hands of the gangster regime and pro-Russian lackeys

        Exactly what a stupid person. Already all sorts of flows have been built and are being built, if necessary, there will still be. With one valve in his hands and stay. If not a stupid person, then screams for provocation, for hysteria. With hysteria, people think poorly, as a rule.
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    5. disa
      disa 8 February 2014 18: 04
      +2
      ... hungry wolves differ from well-fed wolves only in ferocity, and so, even "an awl for soap" can not be called. Wonderful, hardworking, wonderful people are zapadentsi who are trabo gesheftu, so it is necessary to take away and divide ... between our own ... and someone else is still blathering about a fair, free, civil Ukraine ... they say, no nepotism, no corruption, no kickbacks. .ni-no ... only the tap will be divided and further no-no laughing not to mention the really gangster methods of seizing power that are broadcast on all television channels of the world, that is, you don’t even need to prove anything, and so everything is visible to everyone.
  9. v53993
    v53993 8 February 2014 09: 16
    +3
    One pleases that the Maidan is orange, not blue. And this is being treated.
    1. common man
      common man 8 February 2014 09: 45
      +7
      He is not orange, he is black. And according to the statements, and the sooty faces.
  10. Kite
    Kite 8 February 2014 10: 35
    +3
    ".. Otherwise, we will finally separate and inevitably die."
    - therefore I am silent, but I quietly pray: Reflect on the brothers!
    It is scary to say it loudly, suddenly the word is not understood so, because it is said: "A spoken thought is a lie!"
    But they are brothers to me for real. My mother is from the area at the source of the Ros River.
  11. Sovok
    Sovok 8 February 2014 10: 39
    +6
    Dear friends, enough for us is divided into the nationalities of the USSR. there are we and new fascists and they are at war against us. there are no Ukrainians on the Maidan, there are fascists and the center of Kiev is a new STALINGRAD. how the outcome will depend on us. THIS IS OUR LAND and not those who sold the memory and dignity of ANCESTORS. they do not have nationality. the language of the motherland is only its capital, Washington. They are enemies to us. The enemy attacked the first capital of Russia. TIME TO FORGET US BORDERS. THIS IS ONE COUNTRY - RUSSIA!
  12. Old Cynic
    Old Cynic 8 February 2014 10: 39
    +8
    Good day to all! hi

    Maybe it already was ... If yes - then please forgive.

    On the topic of the kidnapped activist of Automaidan

    I have been abducted by Russian special forces.
    I was in the dungeons, chained, cried.
    The fact that the Russians understood, I will say:
    Each "okal" and each "akal".
    I was not dressed for the weather.
    Starving. I lost ten grams.
    And the special forces ate Russian vodka
    And threatened to hang me.
    The balalaika sang angrily
    And the special forces drove round dances.
    Crucified me every now and then
    These are Russians. Here!
    They gave me a shift.
    I am all in wounds, but strong in spirit!
    And they beat the dumplings,
    And then they cut off my ear
    And they gave it to the bear -
    He is inseparable from special forces.
    I do not rave ... No ... I do not rave ...
    I am conscious, but tormented.
    How much health I lost!
    And I’m not ashamed to admit it.
    On the T-shirt are streams of blood
    And on the belly no traces are visible.
    This is now being beaten in Russian,
    Wrapping a bat in a quilted jacket,
    Well, after boots, to the load,
    That generally threw back hooves.
    What they wanted - I did not understand right away,
    Life scrolled film:
    I am abducted by Russian special forces,
    Special forces cuts the ear with an accent.
    Oh and the fighters’s look is unkind,
    Fists are stopudovye weights.
    I smell - it smells like the Kurgan SOBR,
    So, they will wet in the toilet.
    And the bear howls in the corner
    It got wet in my pants to horror.
    I looked closely - two bears.
    Reached the damned Putin!
    How did I go out and how did I escape?
    How did the special forces outfit?
    Chimes fight on Spasskaya tower
    They made them distract for a moment ...
    Then I took myself off the crucifix -
    And through the forest to the village of tear!
    And now I'm in Europe, brothers!
    Glad for the most tomatoes !!!
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 8 February 2014 11: 13
      +4
      Quote: Old Cynic
      On the topic of the kidnapped activist of Automaidan

      class! good

      and where are the brutal faces? repeat
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 8 February 2014 19: 39
        +2
        This is a window dressing))) In action, you simply will not see them ...
        1. ekzorsist
          ekzorsist 8 February 2014 22: 03
          0
          ... Well, why they won’t see, maybe they will, but some people for the last time ...
    2. nik23sib
      nik23sib 8 February 2014 20: 47
      0
      Great! Krasava!
  13. alone
    alone 8 February 2014 12: 40
    -4
    Anna-news got to Kiev?)) I guess Musin will not argue that the fighting squads are trained by the personal bodyguard of Burkina Faso)) although you can expect anything from him.
  14. Egoza
    Egoza 8 February 2014 12: 49
    +4
    By and large, MRS. HISTORY "takes revenge" on us - she remembered everything! And the lie, and the forgery of documents, and unconsciousness ... It strongly reminds of what the civil war leads to. Who was there after the 17th? White, red, green, Makhnovists, Petliurists ... What do we have now? Red bloc, Right Sector, UNA-UNSO, VO "Svoboda", National Guard ... you can't list them all! And the Afghans also showed up!

    “Afghani Vladimir, a former captain who has received two military orders of the Red Banner, believes that the Berkut people overestimate their capabilities when they talk about dispersing the Maidan in 15 minutes. According to him, according to the rules of battle, a fired soldier is worth five recruits. a couple of months in a real war. "We have at least 1,5 thousand soldiers in Kiev. In a day, on alarm, there will be at least 10 thousand "Golden eagles" - not fired upon. Just to fight with us on an equal footing, they need at least 50 fighters. Any normal officer will tell this alignment. And besides ours (Afghans), there are at least ten thousand more soldiers here. Someone would have informed them, "says Vladimir." There will be no dispersal. There will be a fight, an adult fight. Whoever survives of them will be remembered in nightmares all their lives. As we remember. It's not for them to shoot buckshot into the boys on Pear. Let them know - we are here to the end. We will leave another country for our children. And let the "golden eagles" think very carefully before picking up a rifled (weapon) ... They will return home in "zinc" or crippled ... We have nothing to lose, "the Afghan summed up."
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-137982.html

    Well, these for what and against whom? Or have you completely lost your guidance?

    HISTORY MAKES US LEARNING FROM THE PAST! (if we do not want to disappear)
    1. housekeeper
      housekeeper 8 February 2014 14: 08
      +8
      Yes, and the Afghans were noted!

      Regarding this "Afghan" in the comments on the Polemics, they put everything on the shelves, they indicated who in Afghanistan was twice awarded the Order of the Battle Red Banner. So this "Vladimir" is either a journalist's delirium, or a "rag warrior" who was sitting in a locker or in a warehouse. hi
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 8 February 2014 19: 49
        +2
        Quote: little house
        Yes, and the Afghans were noted!

        Regarding this "Afghan" in the comments on the Polemics, they put everything on the shelves, they indicated who in Afghanistan was twice awarded the Order of the Battle Red Banner. So this "Vladimir" is either a journalist's delirium, or a "rag warrior" who was sitting in a locker or in a warehouse. hi


        Maybe he mixed up two Chechen?
        1. densh
          densh 8 February 2014 21: 02
          +1
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          Maybe he mixed up two Chechen?

          If he mixed up, then Maskhadov handed him awards.
    2. Zhaman-Urus
      Zhaman-Urus 8 February 2014 20: 30
      0
      Fighter "Berkut" in my opinion spoke about 40 minutes. Regarding the shelling, etc., we must not forget about the military coordination and the "Berkut" and "golden eagles" went through this, in contrast to the Afghans and other guards of the Maidan. If it comes to rifled weapons, nothing (except for the absence of testicles) will prevent Yanukovych from throwing a couple of tanks on the Maidan and everything will be over.
  15. Egoza
    Egoza 8 February 2014 12: 55
    +5
    To catch up ... But the astrologers please us! So sarcastically remind V.I. Lenin: "Yesterday it was early, tomorrow it will be late, the uprising must begin today." Oh, Comrade Lenin knew astrology, he knew, he made a revolution on it, wink but the current "three carcasses" began their riot on the Day of the Black Moon! belay Because there will be aggression, even small sacrifices, but it all ends in zilch! tongue True, they also predict a referendum (or something like that), which will lead, at best, to federalization and accession to the CU what

    I’m ready to believe if it comes true! And the only time when it will be possible to thank our "under-education" from our maydanuty!
  16. stroporez
    stroporez 8 February 2014 12: 58
    +4
    Damn, but sho for a mess? "... NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen criticized the Russian government, accusing it of exerting pressure on Kiev in order to prevent Ukraine's European integration, which led to massive protests and bloody confrontation between the authorities and the people ...", they have sho, fantasy is over !! ?? again, Vanka is to blame for everything ......... to ask the hotts, but the shalashovka Nuland, the identity of the Russian mothers, taught? but what about that sho ".... An SMS-correspondence between the coordinator of the radical association Danilyuk and the second secretary of the American embassy Timothy Pergalski ..." from which it is not ambiguous follows, who is to blame for this very "confrontation" .. ..... mlyn ,, already poured tea .......
    1. DMB-78
      DMB-78 8 February 2014 14: 27
      +3
      Quote: stroporez
      they have sho, the fantasy is over !! ?? again, Vanka is to blame for everything ......... I want to ask a hotz, but a hut Nuland, did you teach Russian swindlers?

      yes, taught. unfortunately I can’t find this video, but it seems her press secretary said that in childhood Nuland spent some time on a Russian ship and learned there. truth then she said it was a joke laughing
      1. stariy
        stariy 8 February 2014 20: 37
        +1
        Quote: DMB-78
        Nuland spent in childhood on a Russian ship

        That's right, I also saw today on the news ... I haven’t laughed like that for a long time.
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 10 February 2014 06: 57
        +1
        Quote: DMB-78
        that in childhood Nuland spent some time on a Russian ship and learned there.
        Duc it once again confirm -------- nada they should stay away from us .... by the way and on which ship? and then, a bad sign of such scum on board to let ............ laughing
  17. Bezz
    Bezz 8 February 2014 13: 04
    +4
    It’s a little pretentious, paphos, but there is a rational kernel. We also understand these problems. Especially linguistic.
    The Belarusian language, although closer than the other to the Proto-Slavic, but at one time, for well-known reasons, lagged behind in development. And we understand that. The main language of communication is Russian. 90-95%. Belarusians are hurt only by the stupid manners of some of our neighbors who make themselves benefactors when necessary and not necessary. And taking on the role of an older brother in the case of little-minded kids. And the need to maintain Slavic-Orthodox unity, can only be doubted by an unwise person.
    1. vostok1982
      vostok1982 8 February 2014 15: 32
      +6
      Here explain to me - what's wrong with the big brother? He will not give offense, in life he will help at any moment. What's bad about it? You and your older brother in the family are also possessed - they say, don't you dare call me a younger brother? Although I’m in diapers, and you returned from the army, but still don’t dare to call me the younger ones? Nonsense.
      1. Bezz
        Bezz 8 February 2014 16: 48
        -3
        Quote: vostok1982
        Here explain to me - what's wrong with the big brother? He will not give offense, in life he will help at any moment. What's bad about it?

        Another senior "bratello" is drawn? Understand yourself.
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 8 February 2014 17: 08
          +4
          Quote: Bezz
          Quote: vostok1982
          Here explain to me - what's wrong with the big brother? He will not give offense, in life he will help at any moment. What's bad about it?

          Another senior "bratello" is drawn? Understand yourself.


          Pointless argument, friends.
          In any alliance, family, partnership, economic and political, there is always a leader, but the point is that the decision is made jointly, with equal discussion and agreement. drinks
        2. vostok1982
          vostok1982 8 February 2014 17: 14
          +3
          you and I have one older brother - Russia. Explain to me - what's wrong with that?
      2. alone
        alone 8 February 2014 17: 16
        -8
        So go to the elder brother. And leave the others alone.

        P.S. usually about the older brother they say those who do not want to do anything themselves.
        1. vostok1982
          vostok1982 8 February 2014 17: 45
          +3
          we have a family debate here - why did you get in here?
          1. alone
            alone 8 February 2014 19: 37
            0
            By the way, I did not poke you. Education is lame))
            1. vostok1982
              vostok1982 8 February 2014 19: 46
              +1
              a man got into a conversation and then still remembers about education.
              1. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch 8 February 2014 20: 58
                +3
                Quote: vostok1982
                a man got into a conversation and then still remembers about education.


                Here I do not agree. In general, there is a forum. Everyone canceled the right to insert their 5 cents.
                1. vostok1982
                  vostok1982 8 February 2014 23: 23
                  0
                  yes, but it is also silly to be offended by the appeal "you". The majority here are men, not children. It would not have occurred to me to be offended if someone had said "you" to me.
                  1. alone
                    alone 8 February 2014 23: 27
                    0
                    Quote: vostok1982
                    yes, but it is also silly to be offended by the appeal "you". The majority here are men, not children. It would not have occurred to me to be offended if someone had said "you" to me.


                    But I didn’t take offense at all. I just didn’t like the manner of communication. For your information, my country was also a part of the USSR, just like yours. Such conversations concern us too. hi
          2. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 8 February 2014 19: 57
            +2
            Quote: vostok1982
            we have a family debate here - why did you get in here?


            They are interested persons ... They simply do not openly disclose their position ...
            1. alone
              alone 8 February 2014 23: 18
              +1
              Quote: Semyon Semyonich
              They are interested persons ... They simply do not openly disclose their position ...


              What makes you think that I am hiding my position. I have just the same clear position on this issue. No alliances are personally necessary for me. And I wrote about this in other discussions about 10 times, if not more. I am for honest, fruitful, mutually beneficial bilateral relations between countries.
              And I can justify why I think so. For more than 20 years, most of the former republics of the Union, having become independent states, have done a lot of stupid things, destroyed, plundered, destroyed everything that was left of the union. which all their failures took over. I believe the Union with such countries will be erroneous for several reasons:
              1) creating the Union with such countries will have to take full responsibility for their restoration, huge funds are needed for this, which is more rational to spend for their needs.
              2) New subsidized regions, which only know that as Panikovski demand "give a million", I do not need. And if you dear forum users need such an alliance, your will. Create. But only without us))
              1. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch 9 February 2014 22: 21
                0
                In fact, we are one people. I don’t know, a correct comparison, what would Turkey do if third countries entered Azerbaijan and pursue anti-Turkish policies there?
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 9 February 2014 22: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Semyon Semyonich
                  what would Turkey do if third countries entered Azerbaijan

                  for example, '93, nothing.
                2. alone
                  alone 9 February 2014 22: 43
                  +1
                  We were all once one people, a Soviet people. But history was distributed differently. To be one people does not mean that we must openly call for the dismemberment of the country and add a part of it to ourselves. Why offer something that is unacceptable for ourselves? And why is such a policy better than the one with America?

                  Quote: Semyon Semyonich
                  if third countries entered Azerbaijan and pursued anti-Turkish policies there?


                  A third party has occupied a part of my country for about 20 years. But somehow Turkey didn’t even move when this occupation took place. So, everyone in the region has its own policy, and whose interests have secondary relations. (I mean Azerbaijan, Turkey, Iran and Russia, the rest of the Caucasus countries are not so strong as to conduct their policies)
  18. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 8 February 2014 13: 55
    +5
    As a result, there will be such an information drain, the people who are in it will be idiots, State Deputies are naive children, with others for trial. There is not much left. If you know the enemy’s plans, you can dissolve them in such a way. to tell.
    1. densh
      densh 8 February 2014 17: 48
      +2
      Quote: Sadykoff
      It’s just a circus. I know but I can’t tell.

      I hope the information is not from the depths of the galaxy or the bowels of REN-TV / wink
  19. VadimSt
    VadimSt 8 February 2014 17: 26
    +4
    from this "Ukrainian Novomova" everyone is already sick. This is not at all the nightingale mov that we were taught at school under the Union (the carriers of this mov, by the way, taught). This is some disfigured dialect.

    I agree 100%. I am one devil in what language to speak, listen and read - Russian or Ukrainian. But that was before the Ukrainianization of the Ukrainian language by specialists from Canada and local "Ukrainoids"! Now I don't even look at Ukrainian news. This is not Ukrainian, but a language distorted, probably by the aborigines of Australia. I don’t think everyone will like the performance of Ukrainian songs, translated into this gibberish!
    1. vostok1982
      vostok1982 8 February 2014 17: 59
      +6
      I used to have a drum too. When I was still studying Russian, it was used everywhere along with Ukrainian. And I loved Ukrainian. But when they began to squeeze out Russian from everywhere - from television, education, office work and everything else - I began to hate Ukrainian. I don’t read, I don’t listen, I don’t watch a movie or TV in Ukrainian. And there are a lot of people like me. The Ukrainization of its goals does not achieve, but it raises serious anger.
      1. Evgeny B.
        Evgeny B. 8 February 2014 20: 54
        +2
        Totally agree!
        I myself experience this in my own skin.
        1. Bumbik
          Bumbik 9 February 2014 01: 25
          0
          You know guys, all that we saw recently. Well, there I read the censor.net and this site, it's like two opposites.
          There, but the river and here no less. It is disgusting to read when absurd personalities divide the west to the east, their own into strangers and both on the one hand and the other, these feces always float in troubled waters.

          In Belarus, a smart person said that the people of Ukraine were utterly outraged by corruption and therefore people take unpaid leave in the middle of the week and go there. BECAUSE THEY HAD
  20. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 8 February 2014 17: 41
    +2
    Russia and Ukraine, like two bottles of mineral water ... Only one without gas ...
  21. Alexej.Taran
    Alexej.Taran 8 February 2014 18: 03
    +4
    On that stood and will stand the Russian land!
  22. delfinN
    delfinN 8 February 2014 19: 09
    +2
    Berkut fighter: Moscow is behind us!
  23. yur
    yur 8 February 2014 19: 42
    +3
    Quote: Egoza
    then the gas pipeline will be blocked. It's small

    Dear, this is our man! If they only try to do this, then the whole issue of "revolution" in Ukraine will be resolved. Not a single European democratizer will say a word against the violent dispersal of extremists, and the United States will remain silent. Democracy is democracy, and THEIR property rights are more expensive.
  24. siberalt
    siberalt 8 February 2014 20: 21
    +3
    As for the fraternal people, some kind of play on words went. Ideologeme or figure of speech. As they were one people and have already become fraternal. Who is this who fraternized us? As in the First World War with the Germans or what? The Christian faith teaches - all people are brothers. So what? Under Stalin, our brothers were the Chinese, under Khrushchev, the Cubans, under Brezhnev in general, everyone who "took the path of building socialism" (the same blacks, for example). Interestingly, the Palestinian refugees also consider themselves a brotherly people with those who remained in their homeland? And what do Ukrainian migrants in Canada call themselves in relation to the same Ukraine? Is it a brotherly people? We are the temporarily divided Russian people. And that's the point.
  25. wax
    wax 8 February 2014 22: 14
    +2
    But Putin warned the United States and the EU more than once quietly, peacefully, calmly - do not interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine, while Russia, which has an extensive open land and sea border with Ukraine, does not intervene. Do not listen. They want to intervene. Here you go, you can’t live long without adventure on your ass.
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  27. Power
    Power 8 February 2014 23: 55
    +1
    About the events on the Maidan. Our press covers them very one-sidedly: on the one hand, they are normal, on the other, mayDaunchies and fascists (bought by the State Department) This is not so, there are a lot of honest people who got corrupted, nepotism, oligarchy and other charms of independence. My deja vu begins, we have all gone through this. All who defended the White House in '93 were Red-Brown. Another thing is that some make a revolution, while others take advantage of it. The so-called backstage is trying to play different tunes, but nothing but 7 40 - they can’t. Sad
    1. alone
      alone 9 February 2014 00: 03
      +1
      Quote: Strength
      Sad.


      What for? nothing has changed in 20 years, only bandits, bought, enemies, extremists and other trash can be transferred from the mailbox. But the fact that my son became a billionaire in 6 months, no one made a sound. The coverage of events should be true, objective and impartial. unfortunately, as soon as you start to do analytical programs about events in Ukraine, you have to change the channel right there, so you won't hear anything supernova.
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 February 2014 04: 39
    0
    It’s hard to say about Ukraine. For me, a turning point in a relationship started when I started talking in Ukraine, not in Ukraine. Just this difference means that Ukraine has left us. In general, we now see the fate of an ordinary small country, which everyone tilts and wallows as he wants. And let this country make loud statements, its efforts are worthless. But Ukraine is hesitating now. under whom to lie (we will speak in our own words). Just don't forget. that the West needs it as a territory. and Russia as a country.