Unnatural selection

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Having gone for a walk with a child, even the most loving and caring parents cannot be sure that the family will return home in full strength. Your appearance or behavior may seem suspicious to some official from the guardianship bodies, and this will be quite enough for the baby to be immediately sent to an orphanage. Why is legalized kidnapping in Russia thriving in the investigation of “Culture”?

One day, on a clear day, Muscovite Maria Shakirzanova, along with her daughter Eva, came to the passport office in Tagansky District — some documents had to be issued. While I was driving from Novokosino, while I was standing in line, it was time to feed the girl. Eve is a year and three months old, but she is still breastfed. Maria asked the passport to show her where to feed her baby and change diapers.

Then the thriller began. A few minutes after the conversation, an outfit arrived at the passport office. The police immediately took away the child, accusing the young mother of vagrancy - only on the grounds that she did not have a baby's passport and birth certificate. Maria explained that she wanted to issue a certificate to her daughter, showed even a birth certificate issued at the maternity hospital — it did not help. Then the woman asked for permission to call home, notify her mother about what happened. Not allowed.

As a result, Maria and her daughter were taken to the police station. There they shouted, humiliated, examined their hands - they were looking for traces of injections. My daughter kept crying, Masha was never allowed to feed her. The woman was shocked. She simply did not understand some questions.

“Masha, as a child, stuttered a lot, she is lost and locks in herself when her voice is raised,” her mother Natalya Matveyeva told Culture. - To overcome this ailment, we even sang in the family for several years, and did not speak. She recovered normal speech, but in a stressful situation, she is completely lost.

It must be said, Masha is a believer and not too secular, in her 26 she sometimes makes an impression of a naive simple-minded person who is not oriented in the surrounding life, especially in the intricacies of legislation. That is why, like hundreds of other Orthodox, she did not receive a new passport with a bar code. However, after clarifying the church hierarchs, she realized that her concerns were in vain, and decided to undergo certification. But here is a new problem. The only document Maria had was a birth certificate. She always carried it with her and eventually lost it. In the Orthodox charitable organization “House for Mom”, they helped solve this problem: they sent a request to the registry offices, and a duplicate certificate came to the very center for rendering public services, where the passport office is located and from where Masha took the police squad.

“At half past four in the evening, when Masha and Eva should have been at home a long time ago, the phone rang unexpectedly,” recalls Natalya Matveyeva. - The lady introduced herself as an inspector of the Department of Internal Affairs Mylkina and said that, they say, a certain girl claims that she is your daughter. Then I heard Masha's inhuman cry: “Eve is taken away from me !!!” I begged the inspector to wait until I brought the documents that the baby was breastfed, had a number of diseases, he should not be separated from her mother.

Natalia rushed into the Department of Internal Affairs, but it was already too late: the girl was sent to the orphanage No. 6 on Pyatnitskaya. Maria fought hysterically outside the ATS gate. She was not even given any document that a child had been taken from her. It happened, I must say, just December 31 - but what's the New Year here. All the following days, while the country was celebrating and resting, Maria and her mother went to the ATS, the guardianship authorities, the orphanage every day, as if at work, sobbing and begging for Eva to be returned to them. In response - silence.

“It seemed to me that they were just mocking us,” Natalya Matveyeva recalls with tears. - For example, they told me that my daughter was found in a snowdrift, like a bomzhihu. But still remember that in December there was no snow in sight!

Silence or vigilance?

When family lawyers requested official documents for which they had taken the girl, they were shown the act of identifying a street child. It was compiled by juvenile inspectors and signed by representatives of the guardianship authority. Here, according to this piece of paper, drawn up in half an hour, Eve was taken from her mother.

Neither the mother nor the grandmother to the baby was not allowed for three weeks. They wrote complaints to all instances, even appealed to the State Duma. Eve was able to return only after an official statement about the kidnapping of the child, which her mother and grandmother carried directly to Petrovka. But even after that the girl was not immediately given away.

“In the House of Child, documents from the guardianship bodies demanded of us that we could give it to Eve,” recalls Natalya.

Now Maria does not let her daughter down for a minute. It seems that for her nothing more and no one exists. The woman looks frightened, hunted. But she is not afraid for herself, for her daughter - will she be able to recover from her stress?

“Eva was always calm,” says the young mother. - And now she started screaming at night, crying. And for some reason, beats the sofa - it seems that she was punished. What we have experienced is hell.

A modest young woman, not rich, but decent, seasonally dressed. The well-groomed baby, already goes for a handle, says the first words. Examines pictures in books. With pleasure nibbles an apple. Near grandmother, not parting with the prayer book. At home, children's toys coexist with icons. It is a decent Orthodox family. What did not like the officials?

At the passport office, we were commented on the situation by phone: they say that while staying there, Maria said that she had a falling out with her mother, and she had nowhere to go. She behaved strangely, and the girl is not at all like her. I decided to go there, find out in more detail what had happened - it did not fit in my head, that all of a sudden, you could take and take away the child. The center is located not far from Proletarskaya metro station, on the first floor of a residential building. Spacious room, polite employee. There is also a “Mother’s and Child’s Room” where you can feed and swaddle your baby.

“If you need to use it, then please,” the employee warmly suggested.

But as soon as they found out who I was and for what reason I came, the attitude immediately changed. A smiling employee suddenly declared that she wouldn’t talk without a boss. And the authorities, as usual in such cases, departed on business.

However, I understood the motivation of passportists and Interior Ministry officers: weird mother, there is no complete set of documents, and indeed, they wanted the best ... And then stop. Yes, unusual, no documents - also true. But is it a reason to select a child? Is it better for him to be in a government house, and not at his mother and grandmother? And if this is how the soul hurts the law enforcement officers for the fate of the baby, then why not round up the police car with a flashing light to Masha's home - see what conditions the girl lives in. No, they didn’t even think about making extra gestures.

The Department of Internal Affairs refused to comment on the situation at all - an official check is now underway. The department of social security reported: "The family of M. A. Shakirzanova will be accompanied by a department of guardianship, guardianship and patronage at her place of residence in the Kosino-Ukhtomsky district." In the orphanage no official response was given. But they did not officially say: they say, there is a mistake - it happens to anyone

Lawyers believe that everything that happened to Maria is legal lawlessness. After all, Eve was registered at the orphanage as a street child, although she was with her mother. And the documents that my grandmother brought were not even looking.

“In my opinion, police officers illegally detained my client,” says lawyer Shakirzanova Irina Chepurnaya. - From the passport office, where she came herself, she was transported to the ATS. On what basis? The juvenile affairs officers conducted an interrogation, also without good reason. Maria was not allowed to call her relatives, they did not allow us to invite a lawyer, her constitutional rights were violated. At the Tagansky ATS, we have not been given an explanation so far. Police actions can be qualified as kidnapping and abuse of power.

However, there are legal grounds for those who chose little Eve, no matter how monstrous. The Constitution, human rights, the centuries-old tradition of protecting and protecting the family, motherhood and childhood - all are crossed out by article 77 of the Family Code “Taking a child out of an immediate threat to a child’s life or health”. It turns out that the guardianship agencies have the right to take the child without any trial. It will seem to someone that the health of the baby is in danger - and that is enough.

There is a reason

The juvenile justice machine is increasing momentum. This is a legalized technology for removing a child from a family under the pretext of protecting his interests. Here and there, there are reports that children are taken away from their parents. Left the house without documents - there is a reason to take the child. Because you cannot prove that it is your son or daughter. Maybe you stole it to sell it to the organs - there is a threat to the life of the child, art. 77 Family Code. Do you have a birth certificate? Perfectly. But it will not help. There are no photos. What if you stole the neighbor's son, something he does not look like you. And again 77. Under the wheels of this car can get any. Here are some examples.

Muscovites Dasha and Maxim Efremov, raising two family daughters, also took a couple of foster children from the House of the Child - Kohl and Vanya. And though the kids suffered from serious illnesses, they were the most beloved ones. My father has a small business, my mother was busy with children, on weekends the family often arranged holidays for neighbors. Apartment, cottage, car, and then Dasha became pregnant again. So much happiness and one Ephraim - the disorder.

Somehow people in masks burst into the apartment, the boys were taken away. The reason - the complaint of neighbors that the children in the family ... are being smothered. Ephraim was threatened with prison, and their own daughters - orphanage. Now Daria and Maxim are looking for selected boys in orphanages. Kohl managed to find, but it does not return. About strangulation is no longer remembered - it is clear that nonsense. But there is a more serious problem: it turns out that Dasha and Maxim did not take courses for adoptive parents, so you cannot trust the child to them, despite the fact that he has lived well in this family for two years now. And the fate of Vanya is not known.

Another case. A few years ago, a resident of Ivanovo, Andrei Vershinin, lost his wife, left a little daughter, Sonya. Soon he married a woman with a child. Snezhana took Sonya as her own, changed her wet sheets — the girl has enuresis. Another baby appeared in the family. But on one, not at all wonderful for the family, Sonya was stolen by her grandmother, the former mother-in-law. The reason is simple: after the death of the mother, the girl became the heir to a large apartment in the city center. Return the child until it turns out. All courts in Ivanovo lost, came to seek the truth in Moscow.

“They fabricated a case against me that I beat Sonya,” says Snezhana. “Although the youngest child got sick the day before, there was a doctor in the house, and at the same time he examined Sonya, he did not see any bruises. Examination lime, a pair of bruises have any child. But the prosecutor does not want to listen to anything. And the husband was accused of not feeding and dressing the girl. For two years now we have been judged to return the baby, and we are not even allowed to see her.

Maria Kazimirova and Artem Rashitov may become the next orphaned parents. They are not Muscovites, but they have been living in the capital for a long time; they have registration, pay taxes and a “communal flat”. But here are no benefits on which permanent residents of the First Throne can count, they are not supposed to. Not built kindergartens for visitors. A group of parents, including Mary and Artem, signed a petition on the inaccessibility of preschool education. Immediately, representatives of the guardianship came to visit them: they say, there is no possibility to give to kindergarten - we will help: we will take them to the shelter.

Someone third child takes the family to the poverty line, thereby children get into a difficult life situation. Exit - orphanage. For others, the son fell on a training session, came in bruises - apparently, they beat him. Also a reason to pick up.

In response to the inexorable stateless stateless parents and other people outraged by the current situation, people organized something like a resistance movement.

“From all over the country, people who have suffered from juvenile workers are calling to our Hotline,” said Sergey Pchelintsev, coordinator of the movement “For the Defense of Childhood”. - Babies are not taken from drunkards and drug addicts, but from normal parents. From families that for one reason or another fell into a difficult life situation: lack of repairs, lack of funds, low salaries, temporary housing difficulties. This is especially evident in medium and small cities. An official can come to any family with modest incomes and say: you are not ready to pay for education and treatment, and in an orphanage you can ...

In a family, children are better

Since ancient times, the prosperity of the family was based on the traditional spiritual and moral basis, confirmed by the centuries-old experience of our ancestors. Its destruction will lead to negative changes in all spheres of society. At the XV World Russian National Council in May 2011, the family was recognized as a base value.

Yes, there are families from which it is simply necessary to pick up the child, but this is the exception rather than the rule. "Lost Sheep" must be saved - to help with kind words, advice, and sometimes money. History, with which we started the story, occurred, I recall, in the Center for Public Services. Normal such public service is to take the child to the orphanage. But to help the family in a difficult situation - it turns out that the state does not have such a service.

The opening of the Orthodox Crisis Center in Moscow Yes, today in Moscow there are several crisis centers to help women in difficult situations, including the ROC. There, victims of family conflicts with a child can find shelter, a table, and clothing, as well as moral support and solace, which is necessary during an argument. But this is a drop in the ocean.

A large family is immediately in the risk zone. Here the income per person is much lower than in the cells of a one-child society. In addition, children in such families are often foster. As officials say, not parents, but state ones - it is even easier to pick them up.

The officials do not understand that the child cannot calmly transfer the separation from his parents, even adoptive ones, not to mention his relatives. In the Arkhangelsk region, the guardianship bodies have selected three daughters from a divorced mother. The girls were so hard upset that the elder hanged herself in less than two months apart.

Who is guilty? An alcoholic father who left the family or a mother who works day and night to feed her daughters? Or maybe all the same official, who decided the fate of the family with one stroke of the pen?

Guardianships have become a punitive system. The trauma of losing parents is much more painful than a bruise, which can take them to an orphanage. No porridge with butter in the state-owned catering department can replace tea with crackers in a native shabby kitchenette.

“Even if mother and father drink, children and with such parents are better than in separation,” Head of the Department for the Coordination of Juvenile Affairs of the Ministry of the Interior of Russia, Police Colonel Elena Novoseltseva, expressed her view of the problem to Culture. - Or it happens that a teenager goes to work to support his younger brothers and sisters. Under article 77 of the Family Code, we can send it to an orphanage, and the younger ones to the orphanage, but why destroy the family?

It turns out that the law is law, but it must be approached with a mind and a kind heart. What do not always understand the various officials.

Made in USA

It all started with the initiative of American social activists of the late XIX century. They suggested that the authorities not to apply criminal sanctions to minors, but to transfer them for correction under the supervision of the trustees. At the same time, special children's courts appeared in the USA and in Europe. In Russia, by the way, too.

We have child justice ended in 1917 year. And abroad, juvenile justice has evolved, and now its main principle: a non-child child has the same rights as an adult. In fact, this establishes the priority of the rights of the child over the rights of the parent - the refusal of parents to fulfill any, even the most extravagant whim of the child is recognized as a violation of his rights.

The first step in implementing the principles of juvenile justice in our country was the new Family Code of the Russian Federation, adopted in 1995. It contains the child’s right to declare to the parents in the guardianship and custody agency, and upon reaching 14 years - to the court (Art. 56). And the guardianship received the right to remove the child from the family.

Juvenile justice is being actively introduced in Russian cities. In Yekaterinburg, a “children's advocacy” has been created, where children can claim violation of their rights by parents or teachers. In schools, complaint boxes appeared, they were called "Pavlik Morozov's boxes".

This is how juvenile justice works, for example, in the Tula region. A ten-year-old boy got in touch with a bad company, didn’t spend the night at home and, in general, of course, got a belt. This is obvious. The next step is unbelievable: my father was fined five thousand rubles and warned that the next time he would be deprived of his parental rights.

However, we are far from the West. Suffice it to recall the sensational story of actress Natalia Zakharova. She was separated from her daughter Masha, who at that time was only three years old. The Juvenile Court of France selected the girl under the pretext of the so-called “suffocating love” from the mother. But, we are moving, it seems, in the same direction.

Interestingly, our tutors are trained by Finns. They have a lot of experience: annually in this small country, juveniles are taken from families up to 10 000 children.

The reason for family tragedies lies in the fashionable Westernist legislation in the 90, which allows for extrajudicial seizure of children, and for subjective reasons. And in vicious practice in some regions, the implementation of which these laws allow. In the same place where managers have even a drop of common sense, the ridiculous anti-family laws remain nothing more than letters on paper.

In 2013, the reform of family law began - more than 30 amendments were adopted. Thus, for Russians, the process of adopting orphans has been significantly simplified, additional measures have been introduced to support adoptive parents who are ready to take an orphan into the family, the provision of medical services has been revised in the interests of children. Now the State Duma Committee on Family, Women and Children is trying to solve one of the most pressing issues - to eliminate bureaucratic lawlessness in cases when it comes to removing a child from the family. It is planned to introduce a bill to make it possible only by a court decision, and not in the way it is now - on the initiative of social services employees on the basis of an act of a local government body.

If you do not change anything, the situation can reach the point of absurdity. The teacher made the lessons teach? Mom did not let the disco? Yes, this is child abuse. Parents - fine, child - in an orphanage. By the way, one million rubles a year is allocated for the maintenance of one pupil there. Not every son of the oligarch falls such content. However, the external manifestations of such abundance in government institutions something is not visible. Probably too many feeding.

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  1. -43
    7 February 2014 08: 06
    Note: "The police immediately took the child away, accusing the young mother of vagrancy - only on the grounds that she did not have a passport and a birth certificate for the baby. Maria explained ......"And the child is already a year and three months old and he is still being fed with a boob! Something is wrong with mommy's head! The author could have selected such examples if he was for juvenile justice.
    1. +23
      7 February 2014 08: 14
      --- And the child is already a year and three months old and is still being fed a tit!
      How many wants feed - and feeds so much. Her business.

      If the guardianship authorities helped, then the documents would have been earlier!
      1. -10
        7 February 2014 08: 24
        Quote: pan_nor
        As much as he wants to feed, he feeds as much. Her business. If the guardianship authorities helped, then the documents would have been earlier!

        - In two adjacent sentences you managed to oppose yourself! ("Her business" and "if the guardianship authorities helped") How to help if a person resists and this is his right?
        1. +11
          7 February 2014 08: 41
          Quote: Kite
          How to help if a person resists and this is his right?

          You have an interesting point of view ... Do you really think that a baby would be better in a child’s house? Look at the statistics, how many children with developmental disabilities go to the 6-7 summer age from families and how many from the children's homes ... I talked with the staff of the boarding school for orphans ... The answer is simple - one nanny for one and a half to two dozen babies cannot give everyone as much attention as the mother pays ... because the developmental delay and then the diagnosis of oligophrenia are in the stage of debility .. .And this is a sentence for the rest of my life ...
          guardianship authorities should deal with really problematic children ... Those who live in basements and sewers ... As in the 20 years of the last century ... Those who supposedly live in families, but in fact on the street ...
          1. -6
            7 February 2014 11: 09
            domokl, where did you see in my text an offer to take children without exception? Admit to yourself that you yourself have thought up. I live in a field (and physical understanding, in a field of forces) of principles, between duties and rights. When my children were born, I registered them in the very first days, months and years did not pull, did not hesitate. Registration is understood by me not as a stupid formality, but as a recognition by a parent of his duties, i.e. I am personally and declare that this is my child, give him a name: ....., his middle name .... and last name ...., I accept the responsibility and duties of care and upbringing. Signature in the magazine.
            If the fan of originality and jokes decides to name the child BOCH244729, or Goblin / Shrek / Duremar, then society will resist. So where are the principles? Is everything allowed to the parent. Well, indicate the limit that can not be crossed, then at least it will be clear that we are discussing the lower threshold.
            PS: It is necessary to start feeding a child with infant formula much earlier, do not keep him on breast milk and with a pacifier in his mouth until one and a half years, when there are already teeth, assigned by nature for normal food. This is the parent's concern for the normal development of the child, this made me think that the described "mother" has problems with her head, ie with the psyche. So Debil, Imbitsil, IDiot different degrees of severity of perplexity, but they can all give birth, the first and second - they can even claim their rights, according to their understanding.
            1. +11
              7 February 2014 11: 42
              Quote: Kite
              PS: It is necessary to start feeding the baby with baby mixtures much earlier, do not keep it on breast milk and with a nipple in the mouth for a year and a half, when there are already teeth that nature has appointed for normal food.
              You write nonsense. The baby needs to be breastfed, the longer the better. Pediatricians recommend up to 2 years. In the villages used to be fed up to 3, 4 years. There is nothing wrong with that. It is better not to give dry mixes at all as a bait, as they throw their breasts right away, they need to work on the tit, and it flows from the nipple itself. Another talk about mashed baits, but this is an adaptation to adult food, and not a replacement for mother's milk. hi
              1. +4
                7 February 2014 12: 47
                Igor, you know, but this is a masterpiece expression. good
                "Working on a tit ..." laughing
                I just wanted to clarify. Do you insist on such a phrase?
                Not "tit work", not "tit work" ...

                Shl. Sometimes it seems to me that even now mine are not against "working on a tit", although one is 7, the other is 10 years old. Biting on a chicken thigh ... what
                1. +1
                  7 February 2014 17: 40
                  Quote: Ptah
                  "Working on a tit ..."

                  Hey. hi As soon as the wife gave her daughter a mixture to try, she immediately refused the tit, you won’t force it. We tried to starve, it didn’t work out, I bought a day, I had to go to the bottle.
                  PS
                  Quote: Ptah
                  Sometimes it seems to me that even now mine are not against "working on a tit", although one is 7, the other is 10 years old. Biting on a chicken thigh ...

                  I myself would work on some ..... wassat
              2. +2
                7 February 2014 14: 28
                You are absolutely right, Ingvar. My mother, who gave birth to me at 41 and came from a large village family, breast-fed me for up to two years. I believe that it was thanks to the health reserve pledged with mother's milk that I managed to get out of a very difficult situation later
              3. 0
                7 February 2014 16: 58
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                the longer the better.

                Well, why is it really nonsense to write? You can’t drink milk for an adult man, especially before hunting! smile The sweat will be so smelly that not only the wolf learns for five miles, but it will be disgusting itself! laughing
                I just thought, why on this "patriotic" site regularly appear articles on emotions? Is this not a test of liberality, notorious patriotism? Civic Development Assessment?
                And if without emotion, then nothing can be discussed? You can drive the emotional ones (manipulate them) as you like, they are not power, much less reasonable and not decisive! Those who signed up as patriots, will they not run away at the first offer to take responsibility, take part of the total load?
                Not far from the homeland of democracy (there were democrats slave owners, slaves were like animals) there was a small "state" - Sparta. There, boys at the age of 8 (if I remember exactly) were taken from the family and raised as warriors, for the most part girls were simply thrown out immediately. So it was necessary at that moment for society, warriors were needed, society put up with such an order. (I don’t understand this now!)
                1. 0
                  7 February 2014 16: 59
                  Extension
                  Now: In modern Europe there is no need for citizens; we need cogwheels and chewing consumers. There prevails liberalism in the field of sexual relations (such as: let everyone masturbate than he wants), fewer problems with the birth of new people. And in the relations between parents and children, fascist orders are introduced, to prevent the young people from understanding the need to value union with their neighbors, for their own good. We understand this, but bearing in mind this order, should we reject absolutely all the norms of education. Here, in this area, we liberals? Here in this article, the case is out of the ordinary. Do others have to take it calmly? And how would you react by going into the porch and seeing there a girl with a baby sitting on the steps and breastfeeding the baby? Would you calmly pass by? The case in this office (as in the article) is close to my example. What I drew the attention of the reading public: the girl with her head is not friendly. When she was about to leave the house, she didn’t have any feeding for the child, and he does not use anything other than boobs at his age. He has been on hunger rations for so much time, but he needs to rush to grow, and the brain is already emerging! Those who advise breastfeeding (teeth begin to grow, on average, from 6 months) only breastfeed, you insistently offer it to your wife, but don’t say that I ordered so, take responsibility.
                  Another example of destructive childishness: A grandmother with a granddaughter enters the bus, they give way to her, and she puts her granddaughter (in appearance of preschool age), she stands. If I find myself near, I quietly tell my grandmother that her granddaughter is supposed to stand in transport for another 40-50 years, giving way to elders. You yourself can notice many more cases when adults do not show concern for a future person whom they should try to make a citizen. And the child does not have respect not only for others, but also for loved ones.
                  To summarize: Our current state of society is such that we need to increase the number of of citizens country. We condemn lust and barren self-satisfaction in a Western manner, condemn perversions, fascist dictates over family relationships.
                  We have a mind, a will and our own ideas of justice. We need citizens, but not oversized children, not matching and not profursetki. Everyone should understand their responsibility and pull this strap. Hackers will calculate by ................ - to what I suggested, to establish a limit beyond which parents should not step over. Otherwise, it will be: ...... (Period)
                2. +1
                  7 February 2014 17: 35
                  Quote: Kite
                  I just thought, why on this "patriotic" site regularly appear articles on emotions? Is this not a test of liberality, notorious patriotism? Civic Development Assessment?

                  I expressed my point of view regarding breastfeeding, no more. As for the use of milk in adulthood, I also do not agree. The rest of your thoughts are correct, there is nothing to argue with. request +
            2. +2
              7 February 2014 15: 28
              Quote: Kite
              So Debil, Imbitsil, IDiot different degrees of severity of perplexity, but they can all give birth, the first and second - they can even claim their rights, understanding them in their own way.


              My condolences. Although of course I respect self-criticism.
          2. 0
            7 February 2014 15: 30
            Quote: domokl
            ... because of the delay in development, and then the diagnosis of oligophrenia in the stage of moronity ...

            This is exactly what the lobbying for the juvenile system is trying to achieve, because they work for the mafia of officials and corporations who do not need a population of intellectuals capable of thinking independently, they need a herd of stupid hybrids of a draft mule with a brainless consumer who will plow for pennies, and then spend these pennies on whatever they give him. The anti-venom movement must be brought to the international level, the Yusovites also tried to poke their attention to us with juvenile ideas, and fortunately they were "politely" explained where to shove these ideas, common sense introduced, and ensured draconian control over juveniles. Now, on good terms, we need to start crushing the juvenile hydra in its lair by creating international organizations on the topic "Protection of the Rights of Parents" hi
            I would love to see the anti-juvenile "Maidan" somewhere in Geneva, London or Paris. am
            Anger takes when I read such news. am
      2. +7
        7 February 2014 08: 37
        Quote: pan_nor
        If the guardianship authorities helped, then the documents would have been earlier!

        What does the guardianship have to do with it? You read the article inattentively.
        I must say that Masha is a believer and not too secular, in her 26 sometimes gives the impression of a naive simpleton who does not orient herself in the surrounding life, especially in the intricacies of the legislation. That is why, like hundreds of other Orthodox, she did not receive a passport of a new sample with a barcode.

        We have a regional code 66 in E-burg, so our local idiots refused to get a TIN and new license plates for cars. For the sake of superstitious idiots on cars, the regcode is replaced by 96 on demand.
        And garbage, even though they are police, is just a stupid lazy beast, with underdeveloped brains. People with the mind and natural human feelings do not take root there.
        1. 0
          7 February 2014 14: 04
          Quote: Corsair5912
          And garbage, even though they are police, is just a stupid lazy beast, with underdeveloped brains. People with the mind and natural human feelings do not take root there.

          but here I do not agree. how is it in one song? there are cops, there is garbage. people are different everywhere. in Berkut too some garbage?
      3. +1
        7 February 2014 14: 00
        Quote: pan_nor
        If the guardianship authorities helped, then the documents would have been earlier!

        What does the guardianship authorities and documents have to do with it?
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    4. +1
      7 February 2014 08: 31
      Only the last sentence in your post says that you DO NOT support the juvenile, but apparently do not read it ...
      1. +11
        7 February 2014 08: 55
        Quote: Shurale
        Only the last sentence in your post says that you DO NOT support the juvenile, but apparently do not read

        There are enough stupid idiots in any forum.
        Let the minus, it does not hurt me at all.
        Of course, I am categorically against juvenile, in my opinion it is not better than propaganda of homosexuality and other unnatural dirty tricks. Our father had 5, and if the juveniles saw me, they would try to take me too. 1958 year, I'm on the left.
        1. +4
          7 February 2014 09: 38
          And I would advise you to express your thoughts more clearly, then there will be no misunderstandings, I myself honestly, a sinful thing, I almost sent an angry answer ...
          I go out too stupid idiot ...
        2. jjj
          +1
          7 February 2014 14: 58
          Most of us probably were like that then. My sailor suit was made of light linen. And your hairstyle is already fashionable: with temples, with bangs. I only relied on bangs, and most of my friends went "to zero"
        3. +1
          7 February 2014 20: 32
          Quote: Corsair5912
          My father had 5 of us and if the juveniles saw me, they would try to take me away too. 1958, I'm on the left.


          and the one on the right is handsome)) His look is amazing))
    5. +8
      7 February 2014 09: 36
      Quote: Kite
      And the child is already a year and three months old and is still being fed a tit! Something is wrong with Mom’s head!

      Rather, your head is not all right. The longer the baby is breastfed, the better. The optimal period is up to two years. If you do not know the essence of the issue, do not comment on it.
      1. +3
        7 February 2014 09: 57
        Quote: artifox
        The optimal period is up to two years.

        good And even mammologists welcome this.
        The best prevention of breast cancer is its (active) work in an active mode.
        Of course, this does not add beauty to the "general exterior", but this is from another opera ...
    6. +5
      7 February 2014 11: 50
      My son sucked his mother up to six months, the granddaughter is the youngest too! So what ? This is good ! The more the child is attached to the mother, the better. According to pediatricians, a breast-fed baby is healthier than artificially-fed babies. So there is nothing reprehensible in the fact that the mother breastfeeds her baby every year and three. And juvenile justice, imposed on us by the Western model, Medvedev, the time will come to disappear from Russia. Maybe with the person who imposed it.
    7. +3
      7 February 2014 12: 01
      And the child is already a year and three months old and is still being fed a tit!


      B what's next? I was breast-fed until 1.5. The average in 1,9 was barely weaned from the chest. And then only because the youngest was given.

      As much as he wants to feed, he feeds as much. Her business.


      I agree, only with a correction. How much the CHILD wants, so much and sucks. Our separation from the chest was a real tragedy and the second time I wouldn’t want to experience this.
    8. Fin
      +5
      7 February 2014 12: 17
      Quote: Kite
      Something is wrong with Mom’s head! The author could select such examples if he were for juvenile justice.

      Is this abnormal in your opinion? The longer the mother breastfeeds, the healthier the baby and there is nothing strange about that !!! In this case, the child is simultaneously fed with baby food. Judging by your profile, you are a doctor. It is strange that you do not know the elementary.
      1. +2
        7 February 2014 12: 39
        Since the whole of America is intimidated by male violence, leaflets are scattered everywhere, on which the telephone of the nearest shelter is printed in bold numbers. These disturbing yellow pieces of paper can be found on the street, in the cinema, in the store, on the bus ... There is no address on the leaflet. Because shelters are secret organizations in the full sense of the word. The address of the shelters was not disclosed. “I was in one such refuge,” Ada Baskin told me. “But how much work it took me to get there!” The address of the shelter is a terrible secret, it is impossible for an outsider to get there. The order of getting into the shelter is as follows. A woman is calling on the phone. She is met in a conditional place by people in a car and taken to a secret place. Almost a program to protect witnesses from the mafia! Only mafia in this case are men.
        America has a powerful social protection industry. An operation without medical insurance will not be done. But to protect is as much as you like. Because if the patient or his insurance company pays the doctor, then all kinds of advocates - local budgets, corporate sponsors, small donors. Protect is profitable! Here is a striking story about how one woman was "protected" ...
        The story began with the heroine’s husband, having come home one day under a hop, yelled at his wife. I didn’t beat. Just yelled, because she told him something in the wrong steppe. It was near the porch, on the street. A casual passerby called 911 with the message that violence was occurring at such an address.
        After breaking through the house and learning that the spouses have children, the police after their visit reported what was happening to the DSS (Department of Social Services). Although the children were not affected by this fleeting quarrel of the spouses - the 16-year-old son was not at home (he was away), and the 7-year-old daughter was sleeping on the top floor during the incident and was not aware of anything. Nikonov "The End of Feminism"
        1. 0
          7 February 2014 12: 41
          However, the signal has passed. And after some time, an employee of the Department appeared on the doorstep of the house. She recommended that a “battered woman” resemble psychological trainings in the public organization House of Independence, a local shelter. The heroine explained in an accessible way to the employee of the Department that she is not a battered woman, that her husband does not manage her in life, nor does she manage her money, that the past conflict has long been settled and that if she needs help, she knows how dial 911. Having heard all this, the patronage worker, in full accordance with the methodological manual on working with battered women, made a note in her conduit - “a woman in denial”. After that, for several months, an employee came to the heroine and persuaded to resemble trainings at the Independence House. The heroine refused. And every time after talking with her, a DSS employee filled in the lines of a conduit.
          The heroine’s case puffed up before her eyes. In one of her parishes, the heroine told a social security worker that, excluding the only incident when her husband yelled at her, he treats her very well, that they love each other and do not want to get divorced at all. After listening to all this, the DSS employee wrote in a conduit: “Protects the offender, needs treatment.” Then she began ... complaining about her ex-husband, saying that he "was also a rapist." After listening to these confessions of a social worker, the heroine said that in her case the situation, thank God, is different. That she has a wonderful relationship with her husband and he is not a rapist. In response, the worker put the “service plan” into the hands of the heroine - an order to undergo special psychotherapeutic courses at the Independence House in order to “reduce denial” and “increase self-esteem”.
          1. +2
            7 February 2014 12: 42
            The heroine sighed and patiently explained again that she did not want to go to brainwashing. The worker took a pen and wrote in her personal file: "the husband controls and keeps in isolation." Then, having lowered her voice, she offered to meet away from home so that the heroine “could speak freely.” All this was already beginning to resemble paranoia.
            Next, the social worker talked with the children. The children said that their family is beautiful, neither they nor their mother experience any violence from their father. And they don’t feel fear of dad either. After that, the record “the whole family is in denial out of fear of her husband” appeared in the personal file of the heroine. At the next visit of the social worker, answering the same questions for the thousandth time, the heroine tried to go on the other side - she indicated that everyone in the town knew and respected her family. And that her house is located on the main street of the town, nearby - the police building, the court, the fire department. It would be simply impossible to hide the screams, screams and other attributes of domestic violence in such conditions. So it is better for a social worker not to deal with transfusion from empty to empty, but to find real problems. Mournfully pursing her lips, the worker wrote in a conduit: "domestic violence does not stop."
            No, she was not at all malicious or crazy, this fool from DSS. She just carefully studied the training manual, designed to work with battered wives. A training manual has been compiled so that it does not allow the victim to escape: if a woman claims to be beaten, then she must be urgently isolated from her husband in a shelter and / or a protective order must be written against her husband (to evict him on the street). If she claims that her husband does not beat her, then the woman has a “denial stage” - she is intimidated by her husband and again she needs to be urgently taken to a brainwashing shelter in order to “lower the level of denial”.
            Meanwhile, the persecution was growing. Changing each other, workers from DSS called the heroine, came to her home and persuaded her to meet in neutral territory in order to "speak freely." Then direct threats began ... Once an employee of the Department of Social Protection called and told the woman to immediately go to court and get a restrictive order against her husband. The patience of the heroine burst, and she politely sent employees to such a mother, saying that family life is her personal problem and so that they cease to bother her. ... How wrong she was! Family life in America is no longer a private matter! And very public. And the same thing, by the way, is now calling for Masha Arbatova to do in Russia. One of her favorite theses stolen across the ocean - “you need to make personal - public, as in civilized countries” ...
            1. +2
              7 February 2014 12: 43
              As soon as the heroine hung up, the phone rang again. The same voice warned that if she did not take the warrant and did not evict her husband from home, her children would be taken from her. I had to go.
              The heroine came to court with her husband. The judge was surprised and said that for the first time he saw this - so that the couple came together for a restrictive order. The heroine explained that she was haunted by DSS. The judge grimaced and admitted that he himself was not enthusiastic about the DSS dictate in his court, but if he did not issue a warrant, the heroine would be completely erased. And he issued a warrant for a year.
              Alas, receiving a warrant did not save the heroine from kidnapping. On the contrary, from the DSS side it was only a tricky move! Then, after they nevertheless stole the child’s heroine and placed the girl in a shelter, DSS workers waved this order in court as a trump card: you see, she herself asked the court to evict the rapist from the house! The situation in the house is unhealthy! .. However, we will not get ahead of ourselves. A few months later (!), When the heroine had already forgotten to think about this story, two strict ladies from the SS Department entered her house. Keeping an absolutely harsh expression on their faces, they said that they would save a woman now — she only had to take a bundle of things, pick up the children, and they would immediately go, as the SS men put it, “to a secret place”. Do not be afraid, they said, we will not let you contact any of your former entourage - no one will find you. - And if you don’t go with us, our legal department will begin the procedure for the removal of your children.
              The conversation was heard by the 16 year old son of the heroine. He told the SS that if they took a 7-year-old girl, this would cause her severe psychological trauma, since the child is very attached to her parents. At this moment, a girl just came from school. Seeing other people's aunts, she hid behind her mother. The girl was so scared that she did not even want to go to school the next morning. Mom reassured her and said that dad and mom love the girl and will not give her to anyone. The girl was abducted from school. She was arrested right in the class during the lesson and put in a shelter. - Now, dear, you will visit the Independence House with us, otherwise you will never see your child again! - SS workers rejoiced (So the author !!!).
              The heroine had to submit. From now on, she became almost supervised, every week a woman was forced to celebrate in a public organization - the Independence House. Each absenteeism would add penalty points to her and reduce her chances of meeting her daughter. By the way, in the personal file of the heroine, it was noted that she turned to the brainwashers on her own initiative.
              1. +1
                7 February 2014 12: 44
                Women who attended the meetings of “battered women” in the Independence House were, according to the heroine, “mostly obsessed, neurotic, and vengeful.” Most of these women divorced their husbands 7–8 years ago, but regularly continued to attend the shelter. “They were so fanatical and obsessed that they simply scared me,” the heroine says. “Some swayed on the floor and howled slightly, others curled up in the fetal position and shouted loudly throughout the meeting.” Actually, bringing women to a state of permanent distraught victim was the purpose of the sect called the Independence House. Instead of stopping their post-divorce status, local psychologists rolled over it - sometimes for many years. Because the main thing for a sect is not to lose its clientele. And if for this you need to make a howling moron out of a person, why not? Moreover, the most interesting thing is that many women confessed to the heroine that husbands never inflicted any physical violence on them! They simply did not agree with their wives on certain issues. The latter was regarded by women as violence - and led them into the cubicle of the shelter. Even more curious, some of the women "did not even know that they were being mistreated until they explained this to them at the Independence House." ... Thanks to the good people, picked up, warmed up ...
                “I felt like I was in an aquarium with piranhas during feeding,” says the heroine. - There were evenings when the whole group was depressed, crying and sobbing in unison. From time to time it seemed to me that I was about to start yelling. To save myself from this craziness, I just wanted to start compiling a shopping list on a piece of paper. But the clerk told me that writing is not allowed ... since my child was actually kept as a hostage, I was ready to do everything that I was ordered to. " Every week, our heroine called Larry Wadebonker - her personal supervisor from DSS - and scolded her for the fact that the heroine is not amenable to psychological treatment. And what if the heroine does not have “progress”, they will never return the child to her. The heroine once tried to tell the overseer what a nightmare was going on in the shelter, but he abruptly cut her off with the words: “No! This is not what really happens in the Independence House! ”
                1. +2
                  7 February 2014 12: 45
                  By the way, the heroine was assured in the shelter that everything that was told by women at a psychological training is a secret and cannot go outside the room where the group meets. It's like a medical secret, calm down, be frank ... However, soon our heroine noticed that what she said at meetings became known to DSS officials. When officials reproached the heroine for poor work in the group, they almost literally repeated the words of the heroine, which she said at the trainings in the shelter. Two consecutive showdowns with the director of the asylum, Natalie Dupress, did not lead to anything: the director “went into denial” - completely denied the possibility of knocking on the organs. Then the heroine decided to crank out a purely reconnaissance trick - to start misinformation. At the training, she said some nonsense to herself, and then she was waiting for a return. And nonsense came back to her. From the officials of the Department, of course.
                  ... In the end, seeing such inflexibility and perseverance of the “patient”, the shelter surrendered and released her in peace. The bosses of the sect were simply frightened, because the heroine could easily start telling customers that their speeches fall not only into the ears of psychologists, but also are transmitted directly to the organs. And then they can be used against them. The reader may ask: what is the reason for such a suspicious love of the Department of SS for a public organization. She is simple - grandmas. The Independence House is funded as follows: two-thirds of all money in the shelter budget comes from DSS through the Department of Health, and a third from private donors. Over the course of the year, the SS Department transferred $ 13 million to “violence fighters.” That's what the fight is for! That is the reason for the love of violence! Violence feeds fighters against violence. That is why the fighters seek out this violence where it does not exist, twisting the hands of the courts and authorities, breaking people's destinies.
                  Have you thought that nerdy fanatics work in shelters? Perhaps it all started with fanatics. But now fanatical trade unionists with male tyranny ride Lexus and saw grandmothers, rolling away to the SS Department, which supplies them with a clientele. More clientele - more funding. From here postscripts, artificial fanning of statistics of victims ... Excellent symbiotic business - DSS + House of Independence!
                  Our heroine is still lucky. Usually, if a woman begins to articulate, DSS through the court deprives her of her parental rights. Moreover, the social workers will insist in court on the need for this measure using the following arguments:
                  1) the woman visited the shelter, which means that the situation in the family is far from normal (at the same time, the Department itself forced her to go there under the threat of kidnapping); 2) the woman received a restrictive order for her husband (the Department itself forced the woman to obtain this order under threat of the same).
                  1. +3
                    7 February 2014 12: 46
                    However, sometimes a woman can get off with a little blood: she is not deprived of children under one condition - if she divorces her husband. Here is how our heroine, who has seen the appearance in SS, writes about this: “Women are ordered to leave their husbands even in the complete absence of real domestic violence or ill-treatment by the husband. They are told not to let their fathers see their children - otherwise the DSS will again charge them with a bad attitude towards children. Women are ordered to leave home and break all contact with friends. ”
                    The latter is necessary in order to finally tear a woman out of the usual circle, deprive all previous leads and turn into an obedient tool. Once in a void, the woman realizes that there is no one else to hope for her, except for her tormentors from DSS. And in order to get shelter over her head, food stamps, medical care, cash, she must claim to be a victim of domestic violence. Otherwise, she will be on the street (if you are not a victim, what should you do in the shelter?). And, of course, in this case, children will be taken away from her for humanitarian reasons (children cannot live on the street!). ... God knows how many mothers across America are now separated from their children and how many crying children ended up in orphanages just to ensure that women-shelter workers created by feminists continue to ride their Lexuses ... From the book of A.P. Nikonov "THE END OF FEMINISM"
                    The grimaces of juvenile justice.
    9. +3
      7 February 2014 12: 46
      Quote: Kite
      Note: "The police immediately took the child away, accusing the young mother of vagrancy - only on the grounds that she did not have a passport and a birth certificate for the baby. Maria explained ......" And the child is already a year and three months old and is still being fed a tit! Something is wrong with Mom’s head! The author could select such examples if he were for juvenile justice.

      Do you have any children? I think not.
      In general, up to 5 years, it happens that the mother is not released. My daughter was fed up to 2,5 years, the son in 4 months. I didn’t want to.
    10. +1
      7 February 2014 12: 47
      Children can be fed up to 3 years, it will not be worse, only better. Children fed breast milk, healthier, smarter and more active than their peers - this is a fact. Judging by the avatar Korshun from childhood fed raw meat.
      1. +1
        7 February 2014 18: 21

        My nickname is in memory of my former commander, the avatar is the ancient Egyptian god of war - Chorus.
        Raised children, waiting for grandchildren. Developed normally, served in the Airborne Forces, I work in science (not humanities, natural sciences). He mastered solid food in a timely manner (there was enough calcium, teeth grew without delay), he was brought up in a complete family. Enough?
    11. 0
      7 February 2014 13: 27
      Well, you and idiot, has your milk dried on your lips long ago?
    12. +2
      7 February 2014 13: 59
      Quote: Kite
      accusing the young mother of vagrancy - only on the grounds that she did not have a passport and birth certificate of the baby.

      Documents left at home, or are they completely gone? Apparently a careless mother fell under the hand?
    13. kaktus
      0
      7 February 2014 14: 41
      How were you fed?
    14. +1
      7 February 2014 17: 33
      The longer the baby sits on breastfeeding (and after the year - both breastfeeding and normal nutrition), the healthier it will be - this is for you, dear, any doctor will say ...
      A simple example from my daughter’s family life: I have two granddaughters, one already 6, the second 3 of the year. Both sucked breast milk for a little over two years. What is a children's clinic and where it is located - they do not know. No need ...
  2. +8
    7 February 2014 08: 06
    All Putin's successes in international politics are crossed out by such "concerns" of officials about the people.
    1. 0
      7 February 2014 20: 35
      Quote: Alex66
      All Putin's successes in international politics are crossed out by such "concerns" of officials about the people.


      Alexander, hi! successes in international politics should be proportional to domestic politics. They are interconnected. it is impossible to pursue a successful foreign policy, I have a failed domestic one. You’ll be better defined.
  3. +7
    7 February 2014 08: 08

    I must say that Masha is a believer and not too secular, in her 26 sometimes gives the impression of a naive simpleton who does not orient herself in the surrounding life, especially in the intricacies of legislation. That is why, like hundreds of other Orthodox, she did not receive a new sample passport with a bar code. However, after clarification by the church hierarchs, she realized that her worries were in vain, and decided to undergo certification.

    This is how to fog a person’s head so that he, until 26 years old, does not receive a passport ...
    Yes, unusual, no documents - also true. But is this a reason to select a child?
    Honestly, a strange situation ...
    They left the house without documents - there is reason to pick up the child. Because you can’t prove that it’s your son or daughter. Maybe you stole it in order to sell it to organs - there is a threat to the life of the child, Art. 77 Family Code.
    But this is a question of power! Instead of fighting crime, will we fight people without a passport? Yes, apparently it's easier ..
    The article hurts, for the living ...
    Until the authorities understand that it is intended to protect the interests of citizens, and not for their own commercial interests, there will only be questions without answers
    1. +2
      7 February 2014 12: 27
      IMHO, exaggeration. No one has canceled the presumption of innocence. Even if there are no documents, they may be detained pending clarification. And even then in case there was a violation of the order. It's just that a woman is still a child herself, so they trampled on her, they showed power. Or maybe the order was for a child. The "fool" has something not to squeeze the desired "product". Without documents and she herself is "out of this world." And then they saw that the child was sick, and returned. Well, while the New Year holidays, who will do it ...
      1. 0
        7 February 2014 13: 49
        alicante11 The presumption of innocence has not been canceled

        Do not wait long:
        A bill on objective truth has been submitted to the State Duma, IA Politsovet reports.

        The bill was introduced in parliament by United Russia deputy Alexander Remezkov. The document involves a serious reform of the fundamental principles of the trial in Russia. The introduction of the concept of objective truth will require the court to actively intervene in the procedure for proving the guilt of the defendant.

        The adoption of the new law will entail far-reaching consequences. So, in the explanatory note, the deputy talks about the need to limit the presumption of innocence.
        1. 0
          7 February 2014 14: 21
          Dear, have you read the bill? How is the presumption of innocence limited there? I am very sorry that there were no such amendments during the consideration of those cases in which I participated. Although, on the other hand, I understand that their presence would not have changed anything. Indeed, for example, references to the constitution in our court evoke a homeric laughter from the court clerk.
    2. 0
      7 February 2014 14: 10
      Quote: invisible
      Yes, unusual, no documents - also true. But is this a reason to select a child?

      The passport indicates the presence of the child, in the worst case, if the child's documents remain at home.
      1. kaktus
        0
        7 February 2014 14: 48
        Yes, but in the passport of one of the parents
  4. +3
    7 February 2014 08: 22
    And the US ambassador (already gone ...) returned to his family ..."He justifies his decision by the fact that he has developed certain [b] family [/- b] circumstances. " feel
  5. Lerooy74
    +9
    7 February 2014 08: 24
    They wrote all nonsense. Pure water provocation. The police were called to the passport office in order to pick up the child from a tramp? Nu-nu ... Either it was not as described, or the article was originally intended for noisy comments. What was the reason for the employee of the table to call the police? Well, which one? It is a normal situation with feeding a child. Yes, and help, there is a reason to be in this institution. And why did they almost torture her there for the sake of the cops? What nonsense? Where is it that children are taken from us right on the street? Provided that the parents are not bukhariks and are not dressed in rags ... In general, the provocative ETA is unambiguous ....
    1. +2
      7 February 2014 12: 22
      Quote: Leroy74
      In general, provocative ETA is unambiguous.

      I think you are not far from the truth.
    2. +2
      7 February 2014 12: 31
      Well, it is written that the mother is "not of this world", dofiga Orthodox. In general, the topic is called "blissful". By the way, this speaks again about the quality of our modern church. This is how our church brings up its flock, if at the age of 26 a woman has only 1,5 years of her first child, and even, it seems, without a husband ... But there are a lot of icons. And the practicality is 0,1 grams.
      1. jjj
        +1
        7 February 2014 15: 05
        Orthodox people are adequate. But there will always be groups that live in heresies, according to their own understanding. Rather, these are sects that have nothing to do with Orthodoxy or that have departed from it
        1. 0
          7 February 2014 15: 51
          Quote: jjj
          Orthodox people are adequate. But there will always be groups that live in heresies, according to their own understanding. Rather, these are sects that have nothing to do with Orthodoxy or that have departed from it

          You can start a very long dispute about this. No.
          "Religion is opium for the people" laughing
          1. -1
            8 February 2014 03: 15
            Jews, do not touch with your own hands what makes up the history of Russia. Somehow without you we will understand that opium and to what extent and to what extent it can be taken.
            1. 0
              8 February 2014 08: 49
              Quote: alicante11
              Jews, do not touch with your own hands what makes up the history of Russia. Somehow without you we will understand that opium and to what extent and to what extent it can be taken.

              ABOUT! Natsik are bolder bully Remind you 45 am
              1. -1
                8 February 2014 10: 05
                We perfectly remember the 45th year of our victory. True, we remember the mistake when we collected all the Zionist scum in one place. And they gave her the rights of an independent state. From ungrateful creatures of gratitude you still can not wait.
                1. 0
                  8 February 2014 15: 55
                  Quote: alicante11
                  We perfectly remember the 45th year of our victory. True, we remember the mistake when we collected all the Zionist scum in one place. And they gave her the rights of an independent state. From ungrateful creatures of gratitude you still can not wait.

                  Well, what to take from the Nazi troll, go pofap on the swastika laughing
        2. 0
          8 February 2014 03: 16
          An adequate Orthodox is one who earns money in Orthodoxy. Which is no longer good.
  6. +1
    7 February 2014 08: 26
    Is learning that with my son to go for a walk should I carry at least a huge knife?
    1. +1
      7 February 2014 13: 31
      Then they will be guaranteed to be taken away, and they will turn you up.
    2. +1
      7 February 2014 14: 13
      Quote: Lk17619
      Is learning that with my son to go for a walk should I carry at least a huge knife?

      As a rule, the guardianship authorities and the police know "their own" (those who live here) and in this case they will not even ask you for documents, but they will be interested in a huge knife wassat
    3. 0
      7 February 2014 15: 53
      Quote: Lk17619
      Is learning that with my son to go for a walk should I carry at least a huge knife?

      No, take a lawyer by the handle! fellow
      Is funny But I don’t really. sad
  7. +4
    7 February 2014 08: 30
    The article breaks the brain completely, we are not Americans and it’s not possible with us, it’s crazy, I swear like a shoemaker, mate and again, one mate, how else can you comment on this attitude towards people. One good thing is that they write about such cases, which means that something can still be changed.
    1. +5
      7 February 2014 08: 36
      Quote: mountain
      The article breaks the brain completely, we are not Americans and it’s not possible with us, it’s crazy, I swear like a shoemaker, mate and again, one mate, how else can you comment on this attitude towards people.

      Well, since your "brain is already torn", then I will try to "throw scraps" away with this article.
      There, by the way, there is the attitude of law enforcers to a similar problem, and the reactions of people, and much more.
      Makes me think...

      WHY DOES A CHILD SLEEP ...
      The policeman who approached me in the passage the next day, expressed himself almost as much as his
      “Ward” beggar. And to my question I received an exhaustive:
      - Went to…
      And the child was sleeping ...


      vk.com/note16947781_11600827
  8. +10
    7 February 2014 08: 33
    Even if it is a provocation, then there will never be a cobblestone in the juvenile garden. And if it is true then S.U.K.I., I tell you this as the father of three children.
  9. +2
    7 February 2014 08: 40
    Our juvenile girl is walking at an accelerated pace for Europe and the United States. Sadly ...
  10. DZ_98_B
    +5
    7 February 2014 08: 57
    A birth certificate is issued at the registry office. Why drag a child hell knows where? Is it necessary? So get a bottle of milk, there’s nothing wrong with that. Strongly believing, and gave birth out of wedlock, unmarried, how so? Generally nonsense. But what is happening now with the exaltation of the rights of the child is just something. I know the case. My friend put in a belt to his 13-year-old stepdaughter for not sleeping at home. she complained, he was given 2 years probation. Astakhov, this damn thief's lawyer, crawls into all holes. So we get the soldiers who know UK by heart but unskilled absolutely nothing.
  11. +1
    7 February 2014 09: 00
    Why did she come to the passport office without a passport? I could forget, of course, only why do I get in the queue, I have to go home, the attempt is not counted. And for late registration of the child, it seems like a fine has been laid. Something to the truth is not very similar.
  12. +6
    7 February 2014 09: 14
    The wildness is incredible.
    Why on earth do policemen grab people who have not committed anything illegal and demand documents?
    When I go to work or just walk around my city, I never carry documents with me. I do not have to prove to anyone that I am not a camel.
    There is no law that a citizen without a passport loses all civil rights.
    If garbage needs to be identified, let it be established, but what does the citizens have to do with it? Why they are dragged to the police department and locked in the bullpen, they do not need to establish their identity.
    It is time to establish a punishment for illegal detention, with compensation from the police for moral and other damage.
    1. +4
      7 February 2014 09: 43
      They are people too. Suddenly they will find something, but the family requires money. How many years ago did they issue a decree not to stop on the road for no reason? And how, do not stop? Yes, they’ll come up with a hundred reasons: they look like a terrorist’s identikit (did you see them on the shields? Can anyone be missed), sobriety day, suspicious (!). They can simply delay for 48 hours for prevention, the law allows.

      Forget we live in a particular police state, and we need to adapt to it. As we vote, we live.
    2. +3
      7 February 2014 09: 51
      Quote: Corsair5912
      I walk around my city, I never carry documents with me.

      Border areas must be returned to the RFP, it will be cleaner .... And this is how .... fool
      1. +1
        7 February 2014 10: 08
        Quote: name
        Border areas must be returned to the RFP, it will be cleaner .... And this is how ....

        Border, security zones, martial law, etc. This is a completely different matter. But in the center of Russia in Moscow, Ivanovo, Nizhny Novgorod, Kostroma, the Urals, etc. there are no border zones, the policeman must fully control the situation.
        In our cities it is easier to meet a bigfoot than a policeman; they only leave the squads on the streets for raids and on special orders.
      2. jjj
        0
        7 February 2014 15: 11
        About the return to the RFP sounds tempting. But if our Coast Guard has turned into fish inspectors, and the land border guards will serve at checkpoints, then who will guard the border?
      3. +1
        7 February 2014 20: 36
        Oh! But the Pope wishes him well, and this little one does not yet understand this.
  13. calocha
    +1
    7 February 2014 09: 18
    Juvenile program - from the Evil!
  14. +3
    7 February 2014 09: 31
    From families that for one reason or another fell into a difficult life situation: lack of repairs, lack of funds, low salaries, temporary difficulties with housing. This is especially evident in medium and small cities. An official can come to any family with a modest income and say: you are not ready to pay for tuition and treatment, but in an orphanage they can ...



    This is what I was most afraid of — this will happen — the Western infection in the form of a juvenile, LGBT people, and other perversions is trying to infiltrate our families, destroying our society from the inside - SHARE WESTERN INFECTION !!
  15. +1
    7 February 2014 10: 06
    calocha:
    "Juvenile program from the Evil One!"

    "Crafty" - he is Lukin. Let's see what Ellochka Panfilova will do. But there is hope.
  16. +7
    7 February 2014 10: 18
    Yes, yes ..... here one thing surprised me where children’s protection is really needed, they aren’t, and where everything is good they climb and dirty !!!
    An example from the past that I personally observed: A girl from a dysfunctional family gave birth to a child. The baby was born healthy 9 out of 10 points. This girl works, has her own life. square, does not thump and behaves normally, but for some reason they wanted to take the child away from her and deprive her of parental rights, motivating this by the fact that her father is an alcoholic, there is no husband and that she did not finish school. Somehow she managed to defend her son. The neighbors helped. Then it turned out that the juvinals acted on request ..... some people really wanted to "get" a healthy baby!
    But on the other lady, an addict, an alcoholic, a bum, in a word a very immoral person, the authorities did not pay any attention, in spite of any complaints and statements. People saw how she was her child, left one to freeze, did not feed him! And the child is disabled and requires special care, and the authorities did not react to these egregious actions, backed up by facts.
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  18. +4
    7 February 2014 10: 30
    The technology of destruction of the moral foundations of society is quite obvious. First, we replace the term "legislation on youth, family, childhood and motherhood" with "juvenile justice". We explain that this is done all over the world. For this, we build the structure of oprichna (social workers and juvenile courts with a formal right to appeal against "cannibalistic" decisions). We are building the structure of the child slave trade through international public funds of corrupt UN fosterlings. We provide demand for "exotic" ("wild" Russian children). We allow adoption by families, including foreign pederasts. And the process went for decent money.
  19. +3
    7 February 2014 12: 08
    And they did not officially say: they say, a mistake - with whom it does not happen ...
    It is necessary that the show process be held, in which such zealous selectors of children are punished with the ruble. In favor of the victim, some 2-4 million rubles. Those wishing to make such mistakes will immediately decrease. And it is significant that through the media to achieve the speediest payment of the entire amount. No installments for 10-20 years. If required with the forced sale of property.
    There is no loss of work, real or conditional terms. Only the ruble.
  20. +5
    7 February 2014 12: 26
    Good day friends.

    You know, sometimes it seems to me that when they are appointed to the civil service, women undergo a peculiar rite of sterilization, and men also seem to. Sometimes you come across such that you want to break you keep yourself in your hands as you can. They may not say anything condemning, but they kill with a look.

    Who read the exupery "The Planet of People" there he has it right about the official

    "Old official, ......... You do not wish to bother yourself with the great
    tasks, you already had a lot of work to forget that you are a human being. "

    Therefore, the growth of four children, we try to give everything ourselves without the participation of the state, it’s hard but better. It is a pity for single mothers when there is no one just to physically even stand up for their children. The presence of a man in the house still cools a little fervor.
    And sometimes it is a shame when they begin to replace the concept - the poor and the large - this is the first step towards "guardianship" and therefore we immediately try to suppress.

    And by and large, everything regarding real help to whom she really needs help, the guardians do nothing - it is not cost-effective and troublesome.

    quote:
    "No porridge with butter in a public catering unit will replace tea with crackers in your own shabby kitchenette."

    And whose child needs more care in an old lovingly darned shirt with a folder running to a music school or his peer in expensive clothes and the last gadgets on an iPhone quietly smoking a cigarette at the bus stop?
  21. +2
    7 February 2014 12: 50
    What other juvenile justice do they want. Do they spend a million on a child a year in an orphanage? Where is this? The authorities, even graduates of orphanages, cannot provide normal housing and at least some work.
    1. 0
      7 February 2014 14: 31
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      Why the police and the passport girl have not yet been kicked out.

      Passportist than you did not please? The fact that one believer wholeheartedly up to 26 years old did not receive a passport. In whom does she believe if she gave birth without marriage? What sect is it in?
  22. +2
    7 February 2014 13: 19
    A lot of officials and everyone wants to prove their indispensability. They come up with laws for which officials are again lacking. Entire new structures appear, and the bureaucratic apparatus is expanding like a snowball.
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    2. +5
      7 February 2014 13: 41
      I will say more, dear. In St. Petersburg, student helpers have been organized to "catch" small children from "dysfunctional" families for good remuneration. Signs of "trouble" are determined by customers from the juvenile and distributed to volunteers wishing to earn extra money on the list. Free seminars are held for the "dumb". Juvenile courts are being tested in several regions of Russia. The position of the GDP - "we need to think about it, something like that." And practice is in full swing. Our children are being sold into slavery.
      Why go far. Read A. Platonov's "Juvenile Sea". This has already happened, but in a different version.
  23. +3
    7 February 2014 13: 33
    Here is the real story (2013, Moscow). The mortgage is overdue, the bank that bought the mortgage requires immediate repayment of debts, penalties, fines, etc., otherwise, eviction from the apartment by court. The family has three children (2 minors and 1 young child). Hamsud, considered the presence of children an insignificant circumstance, deciding to realize the subject of the pledge (apartment) to pay off the debt. Appeals, cassations, complaints to the prosecutor’s office, ombudsman Astakhov, etc., did not give a result (just unsubscribing), moreover, they threatened with guardianship and juvenile, the children then became homeless, it means they must be placed in an orphanage, under the protection of the state, so to speak! Sorry for the emotions, but my arms reached out for the weapon. Thank God, I gave the apartment to the bankers (I think they didn’t forget to share with the judge), we moved our family to another city, we live working, we raise children.
    I don’t wish anyone such a sovereign defense.
    1. +3
      7 February 2014 14: 32
      Sorry, but I don't trust your story. Let me explain the reason - in the case of an unjust court decision, an appeal is filed. And until its decision, no one could evict you. You have not reflected this circumstance. Considering that you managed to contact Astakhov, the prosecutor's office (in general, nonsense - to appeal to the court's decision to the prosecutor's office), etc., but did not file an appeal, or, at least, cassation, with a petition to suspend the execution of the court decision, referring to my children, I cannot assume that you "gave up" after the decision of the court of first instance. So, Mr. Yarilo, excuse me generously, but non-smudges in your story. Better prepare provocative materials.

      By the way, about the demotivator. And who said that the capitalist state, the state owes you something? If the state does not have state ownership of the means of production, as under socialism, then from what wealth it will pay pensions, pay for your treatment, education, etc.
      1. jjj
        +1
        7 February 2014 15: 16
        It is good that in your person there is a law enforcer on the resource of the practitioner with knowledge of the procedural nuances
      2. +1
        7 February 2014 17: 11
        Dear Alik! Thank you for your feedback. You are right, I have excessively summarized the essence of the matter, and you have doubts. But all judicial instances (appeals, cassations) were passed according to the law and within the prescribed period. If this is important, I can send you in a personal "scans" of court decisions, letters from the authorized secretariat, etc., or by name on the official websites of the relevant state institutions, you will find traces of this story.
        More recently, I myself would not have believed that this happens, but it happened!
        15 years ago, I had to deal with the exchange of apartments, so social protection did not give permission for the exchange, until I received confirmation that the area lived was not less than the previous one, otherwise the violation of the rights of the child! Now everything is different, tested in its own way.
        PS: The cap state does not owe me anything, you are right again. I have long been counting only on myself. But even if the state does not crawl towards me (and children), if it doesn’t have
        state ownership of the means of production, as in socialism, then from what wealth it will pay pensions, pay for your treatment, education, etc.
        We are not in slavery yet?
        1. +1
          8 February 2014 03: 32
          I will not further develop the dispute. It's just that there is not brevity, but errors. Although, in principle, it would be interesting to see the definitions and what they refer to. Moreover, I have three children myself. True, there are no mortgages, fortunately. So in PM you can throw off data on cases, on the websites of the courts you can read about them.

          15 years ago, I had to deal with the exchange of apartments, so social protection did not give permission for the exchange, until I received confirmation that the area lived was not less than the previous one, otherwise the violation of the rights of the child! Now everything is different, tested in its own way.


          I did this three years ago. The option does not work in principle. Until you finish your meal with your child. True, where you write him, guardianship to the moon phase.

          PS: The cap state does not owe me anything, you are right again. I have long been counting only on myself. But even if the state does not crawl towards me (and children), if it doesn’t have


          Yeah. That is precisely why, if some juvenile bastard (and not only juvenile) tries to put a paw on my children, then I’ll chop off my paw. Even if it will be the last thing I will do in life.

          We are not in slavery yet?


          Well, that's why they don’t pay :). The hired worker is much more profitable than a slave; he does not need to be fed, treated, protected, guarded, etc. And the hook on him is much larger than on the slave. The slave only has life, and the worker also has family, children, someone has a house, an apartment, a car.
          Actually, I meant that the capitalist state simply does not have the ability to pursue a socialist social policy. Under socialism, all income from production goes to the state, which accumulates and distributes them. And under capitalism, the state receives only a certain percentage of taxes and other fees. That is why in the 2000s they tried to force business to be "socially responsible". But "no, sonny, this is fantastic" (c).
          1. 0
            8 February 2014 13: 00
            Although, in principle, it would be interesting to see the definitions and what are referred to
            I sent links on this case to you in a "personal". There will be questions on the merits, I will answer.

            That is precisely why, if some juvenile bastard (and not only juvenile) tries to put a paw on my children, then I’ll chop off my paw. Even if it will be the last thing I will do in life.
            +100 I also decided.

            The hired worker is much more profitable than a slave; he does not need to be fed, treated, protected, guarded, etc. And the hook on him is much larger than on the slave. The slave only has life, and the worker also has family, children, someone has a house, an apartment, a car.
            Your truth. Therefore, there is only one way, a return to the socialist system. Otherwise, riot and civil war are inevitable. PMSM.
            1. 0
              8 February 2014 14: 21
              Your truth. Therefore, there is only one way, a return to the socialist system. Otherwise, riot and civil war are inevitable. PMSM.


              What are you speaking about? What riot? Our oligarchs will not hesitate to give the order to clean up any speech. The West is just waiting for a new civil war in Russia to arrange for us a Libyan scenario. And in the load, the riot must be organized. Who will do it? Note, ALL revolutions in Russia took place exclusively in the capitals. And the rest of the country accepted the situation as it is. Take the shooters' riots in Moscow, coups during the "female reigns", the Decembrists, all three Russian revolutions at the beginning of the 20th century, and, of course, the "favorite" 91st and 93rd. Of course, then the losers sometimes tried to flutter, as in the Civil War in the 18th. But whoever controlled the main regions won. As well as purely regional performances - the same Razin or Pugachev was quite normally choking.
  24. +2
    7 February 2014 13: 50
    Well, how can we in this matter to the "enlightened" West. Finnish police guard European values ​​...
  25. +1
    8 February 2014 08: 15
    I read and my fists clench. It seems to me that here you can control only by reducing the number of such officials. Stupidly identify who lives where and extinguish. Plus upload full passport data on special sites. Through the court and other cases this can not be fixed. Juveniles must be afraid to live in our country.
  26. +1
    8 February 2014 08: 26
    In laws, everything smart and useful can be written in our place. But in fact, everything is decided by stupid habalks with thieving officials. If you introduce the return responsibility of these officials for the unlawful removal of the child, then there will be less such cases.
  27. 0
    9 February 2014 13: 07
    Looked at the replicas of my comments. On the one hand, it’s good that they try on many situations for themselves, but on the other hand, it’s bad that they don’t notice the troubles among those around them.
    If you are not so observant (because of laziness or indifference), then I would suggest looking at the compilations for search queries without leaving your computer: "irresponsible mothers", "irresponsible parents", "stupid mothers". If this is too lazy, then from the very first search page in Yandex I give links:
    http://www.pressa.tv/interesnoe/13489-roditeli-moralnye-urody-zhest-50-foto.html

    http://forum.lentayka.kz/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3561
    http://www.pressa.tv/prikolnoe/10113-glupye-roditeli-24-foto.html
    http://www.stranamam.ru/post/5321697/
    http://crazymama.ru/forum.php?a=2&id_p=14&id_t=486
    What to do? suggest it!
    You can even do not need to copy the code of laws, but develop your own, for example, by reducing the list and increasing the number of warnings. But, it is necessary to drive into each parental head an understanding of responsibility for the child. You can give this code a different name so that the performance is not associated with Europope and Amerika. The point is not the name of the phenomenon in society, but the fact that it exists and is becoming more and more.
    Kohl, everyone tried on the situation for themselves, then become that passportist for a moment. For her, the situation did not look ordinary, she did not remain indifferent. (only now, after such a scandal, he will become afraid to intervene) Are you calm in this situation? So often this happens, which does not touch?

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