Yuri Slyusar: "The first three aircraft MC-21 aircraft designed for static and flight tests began to be produced at the Irkutsk aircraft factory."

At the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, the production of the first three MC-21 aircraft for static and flight tests began. These will be MC-21-300 - the basic model of the MC-21 family with the dimension of 180 seats, which will go into production first. This was announced by the Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, Yuri Slusar, during a meeting in Irkutsk on the preparation for the mass production of MS-21 passenger planes.

Yuri Slyusar emphasized that MS-21 is a key, basic project of the state development program aviation. The deputy minister said that from a technological point of view, the project is being implemented quite successfully. The plant has already been fully transferred the working design documentation. Installation of the first eight stations of the assembly line for the compartments of the MS-21 aircraft began, which will be commissioned in the first half of 2014. Installation of all sixty assembly line stations is planned to be completed in 2015. The deadlines for commissioning the assembly line are consistent with the schedule for the implementation of the MS-21 program.
The deputy head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia also said that preparations for the production of MS-21 components are also being carried out at other enterprises.
“Recently, we visited Ulyanovsk, where a project is being implemented to manufacture a composite wing using the latest technologies. Along with a promising engine, these are the most important competitive advantages of the new airliner, ”the deputy minister noted.
Speaking about the financing of the project, Yuri Slyusar said that in the year 2014 for this program in the federal budget provides about 17 billion rubles.

Comments

[propolsky]

In a good way, the main thing is not to go too far with composite materials, otherwise the guys from B-787 say that even their portholes sometimes do not want to close because of fuselage offsets ...

[Civil]

quickly ... then something started in the aircraft industry

[AVV]

Quote: Civil

quickly ... then something started in the aircraft industry

It seems that quickly, but also testing, commissioning, tuning, certification, and much more until the machine enters the series !!! Good luck !!!

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Civil

quickly ... then something started in the aircraft industry

Unfortunately, not as fast as we would like. But the news is definitely positive.
The Superjet is a great machine, but the MS-21 is a "real" aircraft on a Russian scale.

[viktorrymar]

Unfortunately, not as fast as we would like ...


Think, count, develop drawings, and build at least a concrete mixer.
Count the time spent, eliminate the shortcomings ...

[drossel81]

Spit ..)))

[Olegovich]

Here is a paradox: UAC, Poghosyan on this site is vilified by many commentators, the superjet is also "applied", and the products manufactured by the concern are approved by the T-50, Su-34, Su-35, Il-476, MS-21.
Maybe it's enough to brand right and left, succumbing to the syndrome of "whistleblowers"? It is high time to understand that the industry lives and develops in new market conditions, releases new products, and the management does not deserve such unsubstantiated lies that are often poured out by all and sundry.

[Cherdak]

Quote: Olegych

Pogosyan on this site is reproached by many

Dates of the first flights for 2014:
1. 95044 24.01.14
2. 95050 07.02.14

Dates of the first flights for 2013:
1 95032/12.02.13/07 _ 95036. 20.06.13 13/95037/26.09.13 _ 19. 95043 01.12.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
2 95025/22.02.13/08 _ 95009. 29.06.13 14/95038/06.10.13 _ 20. 95055 09.12.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
3 95028/24.03.13/09 _ 95029. 02.07.13 15/95039/18.10.13 _ 21. 95056 14.12.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
4 95027/27.04.13/10 _ 95033. 09.08.13 16/95040/02.11.13 _ 22. 95045 22.12.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
5 95030/20.05.13/11 _ 95034. 28.08.13 17/95042/12.11.13 _ 23. 95046 28.12.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
6 95031/03.06.13/12 _ 95035. 15.09.13 18/95041/21.11.13 _ 24. 95048 30.12.13/XNUMX/XNUMX _ XNUMX. XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX

[Charon]

Why open the portholes? Air conditioning not working?

[bistrov.]

Quote: propolsky

portholes sometimes do not want to close due to fuselage offsets ...

What open windows at an altitude of 10 km.?

[Samaritan]

German line 7 la per month:

[studentmati]

Quote: Samaritan

line 7 la per month:

How fast does time run ....? Who would have thought that the plazo-template method would so quickly become a thing of the past?

[abuyanovus]

Quote: Samaritan

German line 7 la per month:

One Boeing plant produces 38 V -737 per month ... It is clear that everything has been worked out to the last detail for forty years. But 7 and 38, is that comparable? Although if there are at least four such lines ..

[Committee]

Sun blinds. They really jam on Boeing there

[fzr1000]

Window blinds.

[anarchy]

In the sense of a door?

[Terrible ensign]

In the sense of curtains on the windows ...

[anarchy]

So in the same place there seems to be a fashionable system of dimming glass on a button and not curtains.

[anarchy]

http://www.pcavia.ru/industry/2011/08/13/illyuminatory-s-dinamicheskim-zatemneni
em-v-samolete-boeing-787-dreamliner.html - in, found.

[Alez]

Portholes, doors to the toilet, doors to the entrance and exit, or else there will be, while rubbed. And our designers need to closely monitor incidents on composite aircraft.

[Basarev]

They also talked about the Su-47 - there, too, the Sukhovtsy went too far with composites - so much that because of the usual such damage they had to replace the whole wing. It's a pity. Such a promising car was ...

[APASUS]

On the one hand, I'm certainly glad, but what percentage of components will be replaced by imports?
Or are we already producing everything for the MS-21 in the right quantities with aviation quality?

[donavi49]

No modern aircraft in the world can be produced from components from one country. These are the realities.

[Interface]

Russian aircraft --- then everything should be done with us. Realities are changeable.

To rid the country of imports and replace it with modern Russian (still need to be created) is an over-target, in the name of which you need to work!

Western companies are not a sample. They have imports, we must have complete import substitution.

[Cherdak]

Quote: Interface

They have imports, we must have complete import substitution.

In everything there should be a measure based on real possibilities.
There was such a character shying from one extreme to another - comrade Khrushchev, who insisted that there was only "his own kind of corn"

[gispanec]

Quote: Interface

Russian airplane --- then everything should be done with us

then for starters, it is necessary to develop machines, the alloys began to be reviewed .. yes, and much more ..... otherwise we can work on import machines, but buy (exaggerate) rubber and chassis racks ... impossible

[Mairos]

The ideal is unattainable, but .. Import substitution should be, the percentage of its components should grow, and in some moments (for example, electronics, navigation, communications), we must strive for self-sufficiency.

[Basarev]

I don’t know what about civilians, but in military aircraft we are not entitled to use imports for an iota. An example of Yugoslavia is very indicative in this matter.

[Papakiko]

Quote: donavi49

No modern aircraft in the world can be produced from components from one country. These are the realities.

Just the other day, “Astonmartin” announced that it was recalling hundreds of its cars to replace the defective Chinese pedal assembly.
Witnesses the plastic of the wrong system.

[Nick]

Quote: APASUS

On the one hand, I'm certainly glad, but what percentage of components will be replaced by imports?

IMHO is the same as in other aircraft manufacturing companies in the world ...

[Olegovich]

Quote: APASUS

Or are we already producing everything for the MS-21 in the right quantities with aviation quality?

At the MC-21, even at the design stage, more domestic developments and components were laid than on the Superjet. In particular, in addition to our traditional hull parts, our PD-14 engine can be installed, Nizhny Novgorod Gidromash (previously-imported) chassis units will be supplied, the instrument panel and automation will also be Russian.

[rapid1934]

Good luck to Irkut! I'd like to believe that it will be a good plane.

[Salamander]

And besides, this is no longer such a small Superjet, it is a full-fledged airliner!

[Salamander]

Here's another - about him darling:

[Samaritan]

Here is the 3d model:
Ms-21 mm I want in this

[Basarev]

Personally, I’m more interested in intercontinental long-haul passenger airships - remember the example of Count Zeppelin II. For more than a decade of history - not a single incident! Or here is Hindenburg. By the level of safety, it will shut up even many of the current aircraft. two-thirds of all who are on board is an achievement. But airplanes very often crash, leaving no chance for anyone ... So even the ancient airships of the thirties are still competitive. But meanwhile, technology has advanced a lot!

[Papakiko]

Quote: Basarev

Meanwhile, since then, technology has advanced dramatically!

How likely is it a secret?
At an average speed of 130 km / h, travel from New York to London can stretch for 43 hours, with a distance of 5570 km.
Moscow-Vladivostok 6416 km. i.e.-50 hours.
How to place, entertain and feed passengers three times?

Quote: Basarev

But airplanes very often crash, leaving no chance to anyone

In most cases, they fall from the fact that ...................... further Mayakovsky’s verse about the stars.

[Basarev]

I don’t argue, a supersonic airship is a utopia. But still, airships are significantly superior to airplanes in terms of safety. Now even hydrogen airships could be safe - now there is very sensitive chemical control equipment. Plus, nowadays no one will use a fabric-covered frame, because it's too fragile for the current conditions. And Tsiolkovsky’s airships are all-metal and therefore more reliably isolate balloons with gas. Yes, and helium has now become much cheaper. And about

Quote: Papakiko

to accommodate, entertain and feed passengers three times?

- it should be remembered that on planes with this the whole order, despite their much lower carrying capacity relative to airships. And the airships are almost ten times more economical than fuel aircraft, since you do not have to spend fuel on maintaining the device in the air.

[horoh]

Very well!!! Good luck in testing !!!!

[avt]

Quote: horoh

Good luck in testing !!!!

They will show what happened. God forbid that it would not be like with Suppget.

[horoh]

I really hope that the tests were successful !!! After all, it should also work out for us !!!!!

[donavi49]

I.e? The CSL successfully flies, is sold and the queue for it is decent (17-18 + several small windows).

Last year, 24 cars were raised.

Aircraft fly on 3 continents. Children's diseases are treated. Service centers are deployed (namely, the SC is a big trouble for the same carcasses).

Very soon regular flights to the USA (permission was obtained after the raid of the required number of hours) - and this is a kind of milestone.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: donavi49

SSG successfully flies

Well, with "SS" everything is clear. This is Kag-Bae "Sukhoi-Super" ... But then how to decipher the letter "F"? ..

[Gluxar_]

Quote: donavi49

Very soon regular flights to the USA (permission was obtained after the raid of the required number of hours) - and this is a kind of milestone.

That would be a super achievement. But who is going to fly on jets in the USA? Or are Mexicans expanding their geography of flights?

[donavi49]

A spokesman for Interjet also confirmed that all necessary aviation permits required for flights from Mexico to North America have been obtained. Flights on new routes to the United States will begin in the coming months. The parties expressed satisfaction with the progress of the SSJ100 program and the existing partnership and confidence in the further expansion of its market prospects.

“This is another brilliant achievement of Interjet and SSJ100. As planned, we are opening new routes based on the excellent performance of the aircraft, and the first SSJ100 flight to the USA will take place soon, ”said Miguel Aleman Magnani, head of Interjet.

[Klibanophoros]

Another cut a la Superjet ... But the Tu-15 and Tu-334 that are ready for the series 204 years ago are not needed by anyone ...

[donavi49]

And how many orders for Tu-204 and Tu-334? How many orders for AN-148 / 158 - except for state-owned corporations that have no alternative to receive it to support VASO, and the DPRK / Cuba / Panama that takes through IlyushinFinance.

Meanwhile, the CruiserJet has already hit the 24 aircraft a year. Already flies on three continents. Already in March it will fly to the USA with REGULAR FLIGHTS.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: donavi49

And how many orders for the Tu-204 and Tu-334?

The Tu-204 was apparently produced at Aviastar, it could be used to collect orders for a series, but there are now Il-476 under the state order, if I don’t confuse anything, VASO is the Il-96 line, which is a competitor to the MS-21.
MS-21 is a beautiful and modern aircraft, God forbid, to fly flawlessly.
I would like to read Ustin's comment on this article.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: donavi49

Yes DPRK / Cuba / Panama

Is Armenia / Mexico cooler? ..

Quote: donavi49

Already flies on three continents

What is the third continent please ...

[fzr1000]

Indonesia, like Oceania, though not a continent.

[anarchy]

Again this is ko-ko-ko. No orders - no planes. And SSJ is sold and flies, and not in all Cubes and Iran, to which no one else will sell.

[Klibanophoros]

Of those who minus, at least someone would bother to seriously ask a question ...
Once again: this is the same SUV as the Superjet. With imported filling.
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/8958

[evil hamster]

From yourself and take an interest

Quote: Klibanophoros

And no one needs the Tu-15 and Tu-334 ready for the series 204 years ago

Tu-204 20 years in the series if Th.

[anarchy]

Once again: this is the same SUV as the Superjet.

http://superjet100.info/wiki:lowengines
http://superjet100.info/wiki:ssj-airports

With imported filling.

http://superjet100.info/wiki:foreign

That's how all sorts of Gods, Hussars, Kucherenki and others like them got dry. I had to cut the wiki. In general, educate;)

And Shikoka-Shikoka there orders for the 204th and 334th?

[family tree]

I don’t even know what pleases me more , the fact that the Yak-242 brought to the series, or the fact that the new assembly line began to mount, although interconnected.

[Koronik]

With God dear fellow countrymen! And there will be airplanes and TU-204 and many others new, solid and in the quantity necessary for the country, I hope so.

[cayman gene]

good news. in this case, it is possible to slow down the decline in per capita alcohol consumption.

[Sergh]

Quote: Cayman Gena

in this case, you can slow down the decrease in alcohol consumption

Right! Vodka must be destroyed! So today I’ll do it after work today, I’ll probably start with a half-liter, and then, like a suit, it’s placking.

[anarchy]

The more a Komsomol member drinks, the less a bully will drink (s)

[yur58]

Good luck in the trials! Hopefully these are just the first swallows. Maybe the turn will reach TU-204, if it does not become obsolete until then.

[donavi49]

Tu-204СМ will not take off internationally. Our marketing is bad, and the plane itself is not very modern (passenger transportation is based on the image - we fly to a Boeing / Airbus, on economy - here service, fuel and lubricants, operating costs, on favorable leasing and credit terms - and here it’s really bad one IlyushinFinance). That is, for the Tu-204СМ there are no serious competitive advantages over the already proven aircraft in the class. Because of this, production itself cannot spin up. In general, the order of the Red Wings will not pull him out. Need a new plane.

According to MS-21 - yes, it can occupy a niche in the market, moreover, here and abroad.
Here is the Frigate-Ecojet - it can really shoot, but if they can solve the strength problems. For there will be a very large economic effect on work on busy lines. You can get into the Airbus home. But then again, only if it comes out quickly (Airbus and Boeing are also working in this direction) to create an airplane in that innovative scheme.

[alexbg2]

Quote: donavi49

... Meanwhile, the CruiserJet has already reached 24 aircraft per year. Already flies on three continents. Already in March it will fly to the USA with REGULAR FLIGHTS.

Even better if he brought income, so far only investments.

[donavi49]

Now flies to a / c less than 30 machines (40 built) of 190 custom ones. What kind of income are you talking about? This is just the beginning of the journey. With what hundreds of E-jets Embaer began to receive income? But they built them 1000 and are the most successful.

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: donavi49

With what hundreds of E-jets Embaer began to receive income? But they built them 1000 and are the most successful.

Pancake! Saratov Airlines leased the same two Embraer E-190. It seems they will still take two of the same. He flew on it in Domodedovo. Cool car, better than the YAK-42.
But why embraer? Why not a Super Jet? Cars are classmates!
WHY???

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: AlNikolaich

Cool car, better than the Yak-42.

Yak-42 first flight in 1975
Embraera E-190 first flight in 2004.
So that in Saratov the aircraft factory is not killed, not pulled away, maybe now they did not buy planes from countries where there are many, many wild monkeys.

[alexbg2]

Quote: donavi49

Now flies to a / c less than 30 machines (40 built) of 190 custom ones. What kind of income are you talking about? This is just the beginning of the journey. With what hundreds of E-jets Embaer began to receive income? But they built them 1000 and are the most successful.

That's it! Many years have passed, and few cars. Even with a large total total release, but with a small annual, it is unlikely that the SSJ-100 project will succeed. And this is a disaster for our civil aviation.
I am neither a supporter nor an opponent of Poghosyan, but not everything is rosy with the implementation of this project.
It's too early to talk about the MS-21, but I want to hope that the organizational bumps stuffed on the SSJ-100 will be taken into account.

[Wiruz]

Well, at least they called it, after all, but still in Russian, but from the phrase "Sukhoi Superjet 100" it starts to turn back (with all due respect to "Sukhoi").

[katran666]

from the word fuselage you do not turn back? from the word pilot, rigging, and thousands more of borrowed words?

[Vasek]

Quote: katran666

from the word fuselage you do not turn back? from the word pilot, rigging, and thousands more of borrowed words?

The pilot generally looks like a surname

[konvalval]

So we will fly with comfort and without air crashes. God give it.

[studentmati]

Let's hope and believe in the best !!! ....

[cayman gene]

thanks Sasha, I have not seen this video. the plane will be, I am sure of that. God protects Russia.

[Dmitry Zurn]

Great news! Good luck!

[PValery53]

I am glad that our aircraft industry is emerging from its peak. In a market without commercial efficiency, our aircraft will not have a full life. We must pull them into competitive niches! High-quality development and vigorous market promotion will bring results! I wish you success !

[Ivanovich47]

It seems that the Russian civil aviation industry is slowly reviving. Let these be the first steps in the return of the former greatness of the Soviet aviation industry. But the beginning is half the battle.

[Luzhichanin]

I would say frightening news ... that everything will be as before ... they promised a bunch ... and things are still there ...

an analogy begs the sensational movie about building a road in one of the cities of our country

even the daffodil Urgant bothered to notice this movie.

[Luzhichanin]

I will remind minusers that they have been feeding us tales about the MC-21 for a long time ...

[Delink]

Judging by the look, Boeing engines. Or ours began to copy them ?!
http://www.airlines-inform.ru/commercial-aircraft/Irkut-MS-21.html

[Olegovich]

Quote: Delink

Judging by the look, Boeing engines. Or ours began to copy them ?!

Two engines to choose from: Pratt and Whitney 1400 or our PD-14.
I think it’s clear that you can’t sell the MS-21 with our PD-14s in the same England?

[zennon]

Quote: APASUS

On the one hand, I'm certainly glad, but what percentage of components will be replaced by imports?
Or are we already producing everything for the MS-21 in the right quantities with aviation quality?

The trouble is that we will leave PD-14 engines overboard ... On June 5, 2012, Irkut and Pratt & Whitney signed a final agreement that PW1400G engines would be offered to customers of the new aircraft. The first flight of the liner with these engines is scheduled for 2015.

[Ustin]

The motors will be ours and imported (one of the requirements of potential customers) Regarding 2015, it will be seen in 2014, there will be a lot of work, but the parts are already spinning on the machines, so that in August the aggregate will begin to master new slipways, and then we can talk about the timing of lifting apparatus.

[Olegovich]

Quote: zennon

The trouble is that we will leave PD-14 engines overboard ... On June 5, 2012, Irkut and Pratt & Whitney signed a final agreement that PW1400G engines would be offered to customers of the new aircraft. The first flight of the liner with these engines is scheduled for 2015.

Nobody forgot about the PD-14. He is developing according to plan.
Just the plane does not have to wait for certification due to raw engines, do you agree? First certified with PW, and then with our engines. And the timing of the release of aircraft will not lag behind.

[samoletil18]

Quote: zennon

.5 June 2012 Irkut and Pratt & Whitney signed a final agreement

But this is sad. So engine building can be completely ruined.

[Apollo]

citation-Yuri Slyusar emphasized that MS-21 is a key, basic project of the state program for the development of aviation. The deputy minister said that from a technological point of view, the project is being implemented quite successfully.

[120352]

How long have we been waiting for him! How many times the project was going to close at all. Finally!

[anarchy]

MS-21 will be a serious test and a check for lice for UAC IMHO. This is the market for big uncles.

[Chicot 1]

Quote: anarky

MS-21 will be a serious test and a check for lice for UAC

And what else to check it? .. She has long and hopelessly sewn. And sewing together with his head - the Cavalier of the Order of Merit to the Italian Republic, Mr. Poghosyan ...
And by the way, at least someone will explain what it is (for what such merits to the Italian Republic) Mr. Poghosyan generously reproduced in the whole Cavaliers? .. Is it really for beautiful eyes? ..

[St Petrov]

In our country, successful people have always been spat on from the crowd. That's why she and the crowd

[Chicot 1]

Quote: s-t Petrov

In our country, successful people have always been spat on from the crowd

So tell this very "crowd" for what merits did the gentlemen from Rome put the Order of Merit for the Italian Republic on the lapel of the "successful man"? ..

Quote: Chicot 1

Really for the beautiful little eyes? ..

[Olegovich]

Quote: Chicot 1

So tell this very "crowd" for what merits did the gentlemen from Rome put the Order of Merit for the Italian Republic on the lapel of the "successful man"? ..

Under the leadership of Poghosyan, they are being developed, manufactured and SOLD, bringing money, planes to the country. What are you famous for? A sketch of village on the fan?

[Chicot 1]

Quote: Olegych

Under the leadership of Poghosyan, they develop, manufacture and SALE, bringing money, planes to the country

I know it. But why is the order Italian? .. Or do airplanes for sale bring money to the Italian Republic? .. By the way, this is exactly what you can understand from your comment ...

Quote: Olegych

What are you famous for?

Humble me. I do not steal money. I don’t speak on the stage. Therefore, it’s not famous ... I think that you are known no more than mine ...

Quote: Olegych

A sketch of village on the fan?

And what’s this? .. To the fact that I asked to voice the info about why the Italians handed Mr. Poghosyan the highest award of their country? .. Or is this a very uncomfortable question for his admirers, and so they don’t respond directly to him ( and now fans in addition)? ..

[Chicot 1]

Well, now it’s becoming clear that the answer to your question is

Quote: Chicot 1

why is it (for what kind of merit to the Italian Republic) Mr. Poghosyan generously reproduced into entire cavaliers? ..

I won’t get it ... A pity ...

[anarchy]

Are there any complaints about the case? We love to appoint those to blame in our country. And no one will ever remember about real deeds and merits. Personally, Poghosyan left a pleasant impression on the interviews reviewed and on the activities in Sukhoi and then in the UAC. No "unparalleled in the world", no "coming sooner tomorrow". And in the aviation industry has already amassed gray hair. More specifically, the UAC is clearly making meaningful gestures on the topic of entering the world market. And not for the sake of "Russian planes flying over the Russian sky" (c) but for the sake of getting money for the planes and developing technologies that will then be useful in military aviation by the way.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: anarky

but in order to receive money for airplanes and develop technologies that will later come in handy in military aviation, by the way

What the hell are you talking about? Who offers technology with ready-made components? And how, technologies develop if you fasten the imported from Italy to the imported from p-i-ndostana? Well, explain to me, syroma.

[katran666]

You are really gray and, if you are too lazy to find information about the CSW in the wilds of the Internet. All this has been described dozens of times. No one with ready-made components will ever offer the technology, this right must be KICKED out, which is what Poghosyan is trying to do with varying degrees of success. If you do not understand this, what can you talk about?

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: katran666

this right needs to KNOW, what is the same Poghosyan with varying degrees of success and is trying to do.

Poghosyan is trying to earn money by buying machines, tools, imported technological lines, which has nothing to do with the technological development of the country and to understand this, I don't need to surf the Internet I learned this even at school. Without the enterprises of group "A" (for the Internet know-it-alls I explain - they produce means of production) technologies cannot be developed.

[anarchy]

What are you up to with this group A? Did you have this lesson yesterday? Here explain to me how here and now to make an airplane from domestic components, if nobody needs it? Here and now. There is no time to wait for machine tools, domestic avionics, hot engine parts, etc. Here tell me. And Poghosyan is trying to earn money (and a little bit of the UAC state corporation) by earning money by building competitive aircraft. This is his duty and specialty (he is from MAI). Other people are responsible for the machines, avionics, new materials, etc. And Pogosyan’s task is airplanes. He solves this problem. By the way, you may not have noticed, but the new MC21 code created the production of composites and products from them, a new engine. How do you like these technologies? And by the way, the USSR often bought machines beyond the cordon, which is a sin to hide.

[anarchy]

And how do you like a fully developed aircraft in Russia? No, not technology? And from the fact that without googling I can remember - the localization of the production of the chassis at the Aircraft Unit and the assembly of the engine on Saturn. And also tell me, what of the Ebrayer komplektuha is developed and produced in Brazil? In general, why breed. http://superjet100.info/ here everything with prouflinki, comments, articles.

PS: would you be more polite or something. Not at the bazaar tea.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: anarky

And how do you like a fully developed aircraft in Russia?

Thank God this skill has not yet been lost, but it has been developed for imported production technologies, and time will pass and forget how to design.

[anarchy]

Thank goodness this skill has not yet been lost.

Yes, no, thanks to Sukhoi and Irkut.

developed for imported manufacturing technologies

They are better that way. And we now have these technologies. Better -> More money -> new developments -> Better ...

but time will pass and forget how to design.

why? Yesterday we designed, today we are designing and tomorrow what? Prohibit?

[RUS96]

Oh really!!!

[cherkas.oe]

Yes, bullshit this is not a Russian plane, with p-n-d-o-sovskie engines this is another "super duper", and it will not save the civil aircraft industry until the product is completely Russian production.

[anarchy]

The Americans are building the world on a thread, the Europeans are building the world on a thread, the Brazilians are building the world on a thread, the Chinese are building the world on a thread, and here Russia will take and assemble the complete production cycle of the aircraft from the best components. Oh well. And the engines there to choose from, either Perm or Pratt and Whitney. The Americans are not tearfully killed that whole pieces of Boeing are dragged from around the world, and they produce almost 500 planes a year and the loot on this is hurt. It is worth considering;)

[Shurale]

The approach to the problem is cherkas.oe as a patriot of his country, who wants to have more industrial enterprises in his country that will give many jobs for the residents of his country, and your approach, like the Americans, is purely pragmatic, make money, in any way, even if you can carry parts of the fuselages from the other side of the globe, these two approaches cannot be compared, one is strategic and the other tactical, the first aimed at the common good and yours at its own ...
"It is worth thinking about;)" ....... (c)

[St Petrov]

You can be realistic, but you can sit and fantasize on the forum. The first to be of course more difficult.

[evil hamster]

Yes of course. From only factories building aircraft in series using purchased komplektuhi - this is prom. production, profits, taxes, the development of automotive industry, personnel development, and the production of 2-3 aircraft a year is not industry — it is sobbing, collapse and degradation, but it’s all its own. I am not against mine, but if it’s not possible with mine, then this is not a reason to sit on the priest and wait until the aircraft industry finally dies. We still have a problem with machine tool building, let's put off GWP for 2020 until the machine tool industry rises, otherwise it’s not patriotic, how can we carry out any imported machine tools, let’s also tell our customers to wait? We agree, patriotically, for the common good ...

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: evil hamster

We still have a problem with machine tools, let's postpone the GWP for 2020, until the machine tool industry rises, otherwise it’s not patriotic, either import machines or goz

And if we assemble it from other people's components, it will not rise even when we will feed the P-in-Ndostan manufacturers and we will become Brazil in aircraft construction finally, because the absence of Group A enterprises in the industry leads to the country becoming a colony. "practical" you are ours.

[anarchy]

In any case, producing and selling airplanes is better than not producing and not selling airplanes. The fact remains that no one needs aircraft completely assembled in Russia. There are no orders for either the Tu-334, the Tu-204 / 204CM, or even the An-148/158 (even together with Ukraine, nobody needs us). How many more billions of bucks do you need to swell into former Soviet design bureaus so that they can make world-class products (and can they?). That is, it’s another 20-30 years (I’m an incorrigible optimist, yes) on an oil needle (and this applies not only to aircraft manufacturing). Something is wrong with your political economy. And the rest of the aircraft building world is fools in your opinion. Buying other people's components. Go enlighten them. And then they’re making billions of dollars wrong, non-patriotic.

PS: I remind you that Brazil now produces more civilian aircraft than we do. An order of magnitude. And the SSJ - 100 and subsequent ones in its class are aimed precisely at getting closer to Brazil and Canada in the aircraft industry.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: anarky

PS: I remind you that Brazil is now producing

I am aware that Brazil produces, but the path of Brazil will not lead us even to the level to which it came. We are drawn into this and will have all the tools against us to keep us at that level of production at which we can not only compete in the civilian aircraft industry with the West, but lose our independence in the military sector. And all thanks to the desire to earn. You will probably still see the fruits of Poghosyan’s activity, in about fifteen years, they will already appear in all their glory, if not earlier. Everything that he created will fall apart and Russia will not have its own aviation industry, if this 21st hour he flies with French engines and navigates to the French landing gear and navigates in space, etc., etc.

[anarchy]

but the way of Brazil will not lead us even to the level to which it came

Cheyta? He brought them, but we are not? By the way, we have a different path. The localization of the same SSJ is quite high (approx. 40% of our bundles are not counting ours in the west). And there is its own aircraft school.

We are drawn into this and will have all the tools against us to keep us at that level of production at which we can not only compete in the civilian aircraft industry with the West, but lose our independence in the military sector.

Who, can you tell me? And I will even answer. Nobody pulls us anywhere (or proofs to the studio). What specifically does not suit you with our level of production? Why are we worse / better than others who rivet airplanes not from "our" but from the best? Which popular civilian liner is 100% localized?

And how will it help us in the military sector if we make planes from our components 100% but no one buys them? Who needs them? Who will pay for them?

Everything that he created will fall apart and Russia will not have its own aviation industry, if this 21st hour he flies with French engines and navigates to the French landing gear and navigates in space, etc., etc.

Engine PD-14A or PW1428G to choose from. Guess where the PD-14 is made. I remember about the chassis, I have already said. Well, if the navigation equipment of someone there is better / cheaper behind the cordon - you need to put it on. We still have to sell the plane, as it were. If we do not produce enough high-quality / cheap equipment, this is not a problem for aircraft designers. They need the best.

PS: would you give any arguments, numbers, examples or something. And then you have only theses.

[evil hamster]

Quote: cherkas.oe

And if you collect from other people's components, it won’t rise when and we will feed the manufacturers of producers

The aviation market is complex and competitive, and for the aircraft industry to live and develop in our country, you need sell airplanesand for this it is necessary that they be bought, and that they should be bought by buyers, it’s simple, and if planes are not sold with domestic PKIs, then you need to import, and the appropriate structures should deal with the development of aggregators and avionics - this is not a task aircraft manufacturers - their task is to make a competitive aircraft, what is not clear in this logical chain?

Quote: cherkas.oe

we will become Brazil in the aircraft industry finally, because the absence of Group A enterprises in the industry leads the country to the status of a colony

I may be tearing you in some places, but in the civil aviation market, we are up to Brazil, just like before China. The embraer has a name and sales, but we have not had it for 20 years and we are no one in this market and there is no way to call us.

Quote: cherkas.oe

Learn political economy "practical" you are ours.

Not thanks netreba, I really like that ...

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: evil hamster

I can tear you in places

It would be better if you dad broke off your ears so that you would study better.

[evil hamster]

Yeah, where am I to the great specialist, an expert on political economy and the production of means of production.
I understand that there will be nothing more on the topic !?

[Dromac]

The plane will have big problems if components of foreign countries are not used. This is such a trick, so to speak, we’ll think that in the future everything else will be tightened. And now there is a struggle for markets. Plus, enterprises are raising

[anarchy]

Only here the level of industrial production, even with this approach in the United States is much higher. You know, industrialization is not easy. And what's wrong with the money? Yes, I want the enterprises of my country to give money. With money you can eat, have fun and build new plants, but with pride that we can assemble a plane without ordering anything from abroad, but which no one will buy - no. And so we will sit on the oil needle if industrial enterprises do not bring money. And who is the patriot now? It’s worth considering :)

[Olegovich]

Quote: cherkas.oe

Yes, bullshit this is not a Russian plane, with p-n-d-o-sovskie engines this is another "super duper", and it will not save the civil aircraft industry until the product is completely Russian production.

I see that the more stars there are on the site's shoulder straps, the more "widespread" comments.

[Fitter65]

Quote: propolsky

and then the guys with the B-787 say that even their portholes sometimes do not want to close due to fuselage offsets ...

I have never seen opening windows on the plane. And there is very good news for the MS-21. Everything seemed to be a project-project, but now I went to be embodied in "hardware".

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Eh! It's still a pity that the engines are not ours. Yakovlev's machines have always been distinguished by reliability and ease of use. What is the 40th, what is the 42nd. The regiment arrives from the 242nd. God grant that everything would work out. And " would be "- it would not hurt!

[anarchy]

So the PD-14 is the same.

[Hort]

I really want to hope that they will not drag him out just like with the superjet

[Wedmak]

Has the civilian aircraft industry moved from a dead place? I’m wondering who kicked the KLA so much that they began to mount at such a shocking pace automatic assembly stations. If I’m not mistaken, before that everything was manually assembled on the stocks. How interesting will it look? Just like on car assembly lines?

[Shurale]

The competition is high in this segment, wait for provocations, lawsuits and accidents, and scandals in the media on these occasions, with mud pouring, etc., and this will be done by OUR media, as usual ...

[Hort]

Yes, that's all there is no need to do. Boeings with Airbases produce 500 units a year, we are not competitors to them so far, unfortunately

[shibi]

Quote: anarky

The Americans are building the world on a thread, the Europeans are building the world on a thread, the Brazilians are building the world on a thread, the Chinese are building the world on a thread, and here Russia will take and assemble the complete production cycle of the aircraft from the best components. Oh well. And the engines there to choose from, either Perm or Pratt and Whitney. The Americans are not tearfully killed that whole pieces of Boeing are dragged from around the world, and they produce almost 500 planes a year and the loot on this is hurt. It is worth considering;)

At the same time, titanium products are brought from Russia.
On average, every third A320 family aircraft is equipped with components manufactured at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAZ).

[anarchy]

But no one cries and writes vys.erov on the topic of "screwdriver assembly"

[shibi]

Glad for fellow countrymen!
This is the only plant in Irkutsk that works stably.
Today is his 80th anniversary!
We are waiting for an air show!

[alekc73]

the engines must be installed domestically, or at the choice of airlines. With an imported engine, the Yak-242 can get into the Tu-204cm situation when the Americans broke the contract into Iran. (Part of the amers have the rights to PS-90A2)

[Semenov]

Aha, not screwing up all the polymers! The chicken is pecking by the grain, and then, you see, we will move something transnational aside. 20 years of "perestroika and the market" cannot be easily removed, but here such amenities! This promising high-tech production will pull other sectors of our economy and science.

[drossel81]

I’m happy with the other, usually they produce one prototype aircraft, as in the case of the superjet and T50, and then immediately a pack of three units

[shibi]

Believe in the car.
You need to immediately take the bull by the horns! )