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Myths about Ukraine

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When you read analytics about “euromaidan” and other events in Ukraine, even in respected Russian media, the number of myths and speculations, often uncritically taken from Western colleagues, are striking. The most common is about the Ukrainian oligarchs, which the European Union allegedly “holds” for their billions in Western banks, and through them presses on President Yanukovych.




The billionaires, it turns out, are “stupid”, according to the satirist Mikhail Zadornov, and all their money is deposited in one or two Western banks. That is, they are dumber than housewives, and all of their “eggs” are kept in one basket. For the convenience of confiscation.

There is pressure on the Ukrainian oligarchs, of course, and there is still a lot of bluffing. If the EU really confiscates some Ukrainian billions, then tomorrow it will remain without Russian, Kazakhstan, Indian, and God knows what else! This is a very dangerous financial expropriation for Europe! Moreover, the Ukrainian oligarchs will not be scared by this. Deposits in Western banks are, after all, banknotes, but assets in Ukraine are what brings them. What is more important? Apart from the fact that they can lose the Russian market, and these are also many billions. And if a “Euro-association” breaks out with a revolution, then they can lose their assets, and even their lives.

Obviously, Gazeta.ru wrote objectively about the Ukrainian oligarchs, that they, for the most part, have now rallied around Yanukovych out of fear of the "black revolution." “In recent weeks, the most influential of them have begun to unequivocally support the government. The oligarchs were afraid of chaos. If a change of power occurs in the current situation, a hard repartition of property is inevitable, since the confrontation has reached bloodshed. They are frightened by the freezing of accounts in Europe, but if now some Tyagnibok comes to power, they will lose everything. Perhaps even freedom. For this reason, it is the oligarchs who are pushing Yanukovych today to the tough scenario of dispersing the Maidan. Yanukovych himself is slow, therefore the oppositionists are still allowed to occupy the center of the city. ”

Yanukovych hesitates, perhaps, simply because Putin has the Olympics on the nose, and Ukraine has nowhere to hurry: the center of Kiev is already crushed.

In general, Western analytics for the most part are propaganda propaganda that justifies the mistakes and failures of the West, and gives out the desired for the inevitable "democratic" future. Zadornov laughed that in the US there are only seventeen smart, even brilliant people, then there are only two analysts - Brzezinski and Kissinger. It’s on these two mighty old people that the whole American analyst is holding on, but they are no longer enough, the young “brilliant experts,” like McFaul, are slaughtered by their sound reasoning, so the United States has dealt with everything Putin since the end of the 2000s.

However, we should say thanks to McFaul for his masterly failure of the Russian “belolentochnoy revolution”. This expert on orange coups is now leaving Moscow, and after him the predictions about the future “Maidan” in Russia are rushing; they are pleased with their debility. Even McFaul realized that in Russia there was nothing more to catch, and the crying of “Rain” was his farewell salute.

Robert Gates, the former US Secretary of Defense, could not stand it, and in his memoirs he gave vent to anger and sarcasm, describing the architects of American politics with such excellent epithets as “hypocritical, stupid, rude, nasty and stupid”.

The vice-president of the USA Joe Biden, the current curator of the US state policy (and earlier Saakashvili Georgia), was particularly impressed: “I think that the loud talker obsessed with politics on almost all foreign policy and national security issues over the past four decades ". After reviewing the analysis of Gates, it is possible to predict with confidence that in the USA the USA will also break wood. Unknown here just how much and what?

Analytical materials about how the European Union terribly puts pressure on Yanukovych are also amazing, even threaten with sanctions, impose mediation, and force compromises with neo-Nazis. And the European commissioners as boldly say: Ukraine is free in its choice ... of Europe!

Yes, Ukraine made a choice ... Putin at the last moment caught Ukraine with Yanukovych by the collar, falling into the precipice of default, and keeps, until ... Everyone somehow forgot about it all of a sudden. And what is her choice in this situation? God grant that Putin’s hand does not tremble. And the European Union came up with the threat to Russia, demands to stop the intervention! Putin doesn’t need to do anything in return, he will simply say: well, I’m already tired, I can’t hold Ukraine any longer, and I’ll open my hand - this will be an analyst!

How do you get it? It is very simple: will the credit line be closed due to the non-fulfillment of the Moscow agreements by Yanukovych, and wait, will the EU have time to catch Ukraine in free fall, without salaries and pensions, or will it not have time? Here it is not necessary to go to the “grandmother” - will not have time! Yes, he does not think about it, requires first to carry out reforms, and then they will develop a “Marshal plan” with the States. Of course ... In May, Euroskeptics promise to arrange the “French Spring” in parliamentary elections.

In general, the European Union with its European commissioners - Ashton, Barroso and others, is a separate song! This “eurocooker” is already in May - in three months! - will go to the election in the European Parliament. These are all “lame ducks”, and therefore, finally, these frostbitten ones: carry nonsense about the “European choice” and threaten with sanctions! They earn for themselves “golden parachutes”, but they are unlikely to get them, they will not forgive Vilnaus disgrace Washington!

What can we talk about with political "ducks"? When Ashton speaks in Kiev with Yanukovych, it may very well be that in reality she is already talking to Vladimir Vladimirovich. I would rather believe in the spirit of Putin than in the serious influence of Ashton and her company on Yanukovych. The American Embassy in Kiev is the second, after Russia, real player in Ukraine.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk predicted that after the Olympics, Putin would increase pressure on Ukraine. Where else to strengthen when he already holds her by the collar? But, perhaps, Tusk is right exactly the opposite: the support of Ukraine for Russia may end after the Olympics, that is, the wisdom is wrong: whoever is having dinner with a girl, he dances with her. And Putin does not control Yanukovych, but opened a loan to him only to calmly hold the Olympics in Sochi. This is the worst scenario for Ukraine, and Yanukovych will then be rewarded in full according to his writings. Ukraine is only a pity ...
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 7 February 2014 08: 34
    +14
    Yes, no one will keep Ukraine from bankruptcy, this is a matter of time. For twenty years of independence, nothing and nobody is dependent on Ukraine smile
    1. Romn
      Romn 7 February 2014 08: 52
      +85
      Frankly, like we say brotherly people, but people who lived and were born in the USSR remember this. But I was born in Russia and what I remember is a country that irrigates Russia with everything that is possible, I also remember such information that Ukrainians acted on the side of the militants in Chechnya, in the conflict with Georgia, Ukraine even supplied it with equipment, Ukraine sells technology China (to the detriment of Russia), the Ukrainian government is doing everything to prevent it from being established or, while worsening the situation of our fleet in the Crimea, is conducting anti-Russian propaganda. And what am I seeing here! ?? FRIEND? I tell you - NO! Why should I be nice to this country !? On vacation, I met people from Ukraine, they say it is right, they are divided into 2 type, those who are for us and against. So what are we talking about !? Tell me why we support the integrity of this Ukraine, I am for its division into 2 parts and further accession about the Russian to us, then the Black Sea fleet will be safe and people who are faithful to us in Ukraine will be safe and we will have territories! Otherwise, the whole Ukraine will not return to us, there is no need to torment illusions, everything will be exactly the same as now, 20 with more than years of propaganda and independence have done their job! Yes, and remember the story, Ukraine was not the whole and half of the people have always been against us, against Russia ... Here is my opinion! minus gentlemen ...
      1. Hamul
        Hamul 7 February 2014 09: 30
        +45
        You know, I support the position of Romna, although I was born and lived for 13 years in the USSR.
        I have many comrades in Ukraine, he is all for Russia, but they do not want to join it - WHY? Because they are independent.
        When I ask what it means to be independent and from whom - silence and confusion.

        in fact:
        Is Russia sponsoring? YES!
        Europe sponsors? Yes!
        Is the US sponsoring? Yes!
        Even China began to sponsor Ukraine ...
        As you know, those who are not sponsored and live on their own money are independent - so from whom is Ukraine independent and strong?
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 7 February 2014 10: 03
          +21
          In the meantime, Nuland was embarrassed! laughing Matom our beautiful woman scolded the EU's actions in Ukraine in a conversation with the US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Payet! Apparently, ours are good at "listening" bully

          News RT! The US Assistant Secretary of State apologized to the EU for being rude.
          Recall that in a telephone conversation with US Ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Payat, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland discussed which Ukrainian oppositionist should be appointed to the new government. Nuland, in particular, opposed the entry of the UDAR party leader Vitaly Klitschko into the government and supported Arseny Yatsenyuk’s candidacy from Batkivshchyna as prime minister of the country. In the same conversation, Nuland spoke obscenely about the European Union and expressed the hope that the UN would help the United States to “teach the EU a lesson.” Officials also discussed the need to “glue up the situation” in Ukraine as quickly as possible so that Russia did not take advantage of it.

          And one more news from RBK.UA! So much for Sochi! Even there, on the eve of the Olympiad, Putin manages to hold good meetings and with whom the leadership of China!

          Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping opposed any "outside interference" in the internal affairs of Ukraine. Press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov announced this today following talks between the two leaders.

          "Both sides emphasized the inadmissibility of any outside interference in what is happening (in Ukraine), and there was a very harsh condemnation of such interference," Peskov said, without specifying who had already intervened in Ukrainian affairs.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 7 February 2014 11: 19
            +19
            Quote: Sid.74
            Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping opposed any "outside interference" in the internal affairs of Ukraine. Press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov announced this today following talks between the two leaders.

            "Both sides emphasized the inadmissibility of any outside interference in what is happening (in Ukraine), and there was a very harsh condemnation of such interference"

            That's for sure. It was. Have met. They talked.
            Here, paradoxically as it may sound, the pause in Yanukovych’s actions coincides with the silence of the GDP, unlike the wild anti-Russian howl that reached the top octave in all EU institutions. That is, in contrast to the declared threats in the direction of Russia, the GDP keeps calm, walks with a smile around Olympic Sochi.
            This is the silence of GDP and makes the Euro-gangsters fall into hysterics.
            1. Galich Kos
              Galich Kos 7 February 2014 11: 35
              -19%
              Not tired of bricks ... about the Ukraine?
              1. blizart
                blizart 9 February 2014 14: 29
                0
                Polygraph Polygraphych-Yes, I do not agree ... -Who with Kautsky or Engels? Yes with both!
            2. Sid.74
              Sid.74 7 February 2014 11: 49
              +11
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Here, paradoxically as it may sound, the pause in Yanukovych’s actions coincides with the silence of the GDP, unlike the wild anti-Russian howl that reached the top octave in all EU institutions. That is, in contrast to the declared threats in the direction of Russia, the GDP keeps calm, walks with a smile around Olympic Sochi.
              This is the silence of GDP and makes the Euro-gangsters fall into hysterics.

              By the way, Yanukovych should fly to the opening of the Olympiad! At least he promised to fly! So the presidents are silent in their rag! Why do they have to touch the unhealthy minds of Russophobes ahead of time! And certainly they will not talk about biathlon with GDP! laughing
              1. Arhj
                Arhj 7 February 2014 14: 21
                +6
                Quote: Sid.74
                By the way, Yanukovych should also fly to the opening of the Olympiad!

                Yesterday flew in.
                Quote: Sid.74
                And certainly they will not talk about GDP about biathlon!

                Bialon is a military-applied sport and on the roofs around the Maidan a couple of biathletes would not hurt. So to speak "for choral singing" wink
                1. densh
                  densh 7 February 2014 21: 39
                  +7
                  Quote: Arhj
                  Bialon is a military-applied sport and on the roofs around the Maidan a couple of biathletes would not hurt.

                  There is also tank biathlon, which is a versatile and useful sport in many everyday situations. laughing
          2. seller trucks
            seller trucks 7 February 2014 14: 28
            +12
            Quote: Sid.74
            Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping opposed any "outside interference" in the internal affairs of Ukraine.


            if anything, in the UN Security Council again our "necessary" decisions with the Chinese will be blocked.
        2. svp67
          svp67 7 February 2014 11: 59
          +10
          Quote: Hamul
          in fact:
          Is Russia sponsoring? YES!
          Europe sponsors? Yes!
          Is the US sponsoring? Yes!
          Even China began to sponsor Ukraine ...

          For one small but SIGNIFICANT difference ... Russia more often acts as a patron, rather than a SPONSOR ... And this is our TROUBLE ... Since this way, in this situation - is at least BLACK, for us, but BIG - LOSING.
          1. Sadikoff
            Sadikoff 7 February 2014 19: 06
            +7
            This is the dignity of Russia that it donates, unlike vampire empires, God sees everything, is taken into account when distributing gingerbread.
            1. blizart
              blizart 9 February 2014 14: 32
              0
              And the Russians cannot do it differently to them all this mercantile fuss around the paper is disgusting, the Russian soul is wide, I’m telling you like a Korean
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 7 February 2014 13: 15
          +6
          Quote: Hamul
          I have many comrades in Ukraine, he is all for Russia, but they do not want to join it - WHY?

          Yes, on the head. What difference does it make to whose oligarchs to feed, Ukrainian or Russian? After all, joining present-day Russia is not a reunion with the RSFSR. There will certainly be a redistribution of property in favor of the Russian oligarchs, and it is not known which of the remaining Ukrainian enterprises will stay afloat . Further, if we are spread rot by domestic business clans, then will the newcomers really feel human? Or will they sing with the locals and begin to bend the population already in pairs.
          That’s how, roughly, ordinary people in Ukraine reason, who, in principle, have nothing against Russia.
          Indeed, the population, the people of Ukraine do not see concrete proposals from Russia. And how do you imagine this? Should Putin speak on TV to the people of Ukraine? With a call to send Yanukovych in three letters and unite with Russia? What mechanism of association, did not think?
          Quote: Hamul
          Because they are independent. When I ask what it means to be independent and from whom - silence and confusion.
          Well, childish babble. And in Russia, "Independence Day" is not celebrated? The question is independence from whom? What answer will you personally give? Hopefully, not silence and confusion.
          Quote: Hamul
          As you know, those who are not sponsored and live on their own money are independent

          I don’t understand, do you have a claim to the state of Ukraine or to the population? I live on the money that I earn, while I pay taxes on which I keep all my managerial pack, I pay interest on loans that the state of Ukraine won’t get me not a penny. I didn’t take any loans myself, so I consider myself dependent even on the state of Ukraine. It's just that brute force is on the side of the state, which I have to submit to.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 7 February 2014 20: 57
            0
            You are right, under the current socio-economic system in Russia and Ukraine, the Ukrainian people cannot see the meaning of unification for themselves. Only the number of bloodsuckers will be added. But, nevertheless, such a situation is brewing now that the lesser of two evils will need to be chosen. Even what has happened so far may not be possible anymore if Western influence takes over the whole country. Russophobia and Western expansion will simply overwhelm it. Indeed, it is difficult to imagine how the mechanism of unification of eastern Ukraine with Russia will be implemented, but this will probably be the only way out of the most difficult situation.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 7 February 2014 21: 04
              +5
              Quote: Svetlana
              You are right, under the current socio-economic system in Russia and Ukraine, the Ukrainian people cannot see the meaning of unification for themselves. Only the number of bloodsuckers will be added.

              Added to whom?
              Or do you think that Russian bloodsuckers with a hoot will take over the population of Ukraine?
              1. 31231
                31231 7 February 2014 22: 54
                +1
                Or do you think that Russian bloodsuckers with a hoot will take over the population of Ukraine?

                Og. After all, they sucked blood from Belarus and Kazakhstan. wink Russian legarchs and bloody Putin will suck out poor and greasy Ukraine. laughing
                Once again, I am convinced that the propaganda and Russophobia machine went well in Ukraine.
                Judging by this propaganda, Russia is poor and longs to suck the juices from the rich nenki.

                Yes, and Woland still promised them cooperation in the field of production.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 7 February 2014 23: 13
                  +4
                  Quote: 31231
                  Judging by this propaganda, Russia is poor and longs to suck the juices from the rich nenki.

                  Well ... The fact that the IMF, having divided the skin of an unkilled Ukrainian bear, warned ahead of time, in case of signing the association, requires a sharp increase in tariffs for gas, electric energy, fares, etc., Mr. Poroshenko did not inform the populace. And since gullible gullies do not shine with their minds, the conclusions are drawn accordingly.
                  But the financial and economic topics of Ukraine are discussed at VO, almost daily, from October last year.
                  1. 31231
                    31231 8 February 2014 07: 52
                    +1
                    But the financial and economic topics of Ukraine are discussed at VO, almost daily, from October last year.

                    It's easier for them to shout "Get out panda!" Than to analyze something.
          2. 31231
            31231 7 February 2014 22: 35
            +3
            There will certainly be a redistribution of property in favor of the Russian oligarchs, and it is not known which of the remaining Ukrainian enterprises will stay afloat.

            Yeah. But the example of Belarus and Kazakhstan does not teach anything? Someone needs your legarchs. Sasha asked, Woland leaked Karimov.
            I am more and more convinced that until Ukraine becomes the most impoverished republic of the former USSR, you will be puffed up and add value to yourself. At the same time, coming up with "stupid" reasons.
            One hope for the adequacy of the East and South of Ukraine.

            So, roughly, the townsfolk in Ukraine reason,

            Ide then I already saw it ?! Ah, yes the Maidanians speak for the whole people.

            And indeed, the population, the people of Ukraine do not see concrete proposals from Russia.

            And again on behalf of the whole nation. And again, nonsense.
            Svidomo, can you tell someone Russia gave gas at 50? To whom does the Russian Federation provide 1,5 million jobs? To whom is Russia restructuring its debts and some of them forgive? Who recently transferred the first tranche of a loan of 3 billion Baku? And who is given another discount on gas?
            Insolence of people like you can bring Ukraine to the level of Tajikistan, God forbid, not Syria.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 8 February 2014 13: 58
              +1
              Quote: 31231
              Someone needs your legarchs.

              Need. Capitalism is capitalism. Nothing personal is just business. Either you eat, or you.
              Quote: 31231
              Yes Maydanyat for the whole people verb.

              Yes, this is annoying.
              Quote: 31231
              Svidomo

              Well, how do you differ from the maydanutyh? The slap-label is glued. By the way, I didn’t "poke you". Although I’m surprised, after all, you have the RIGHT to talk like that with those who disagree ...
              Quote: 31231
              to whom did Russia give gas at 50?

              Administrations of Presidents Kravchuk and Kuchma.
              Quote: 31231
              To whom does the Russian Federation provide 1,5 million jobs?

              I don’t know about the level of employment and the dominance of Gaster in Russia. I earn my money myself.
              Quote: 31231
              To whom is Russia restructuring its debts and some of them forgive?

              Cuba, North Korea, and indeed, all over the world. Moreover, tens of billions of greenery. Ukraine, on the other hand, borrows at interest. Well, and builds presidential residences with this money.
              Quote: 31231
              Who recently transferred the first tranche of a loan of 3 billion Baku?

              Thank you, Yanukovych will buy one more (already platinum in diamonds) toilet. Well, he will get something for pensioners. And for civil servants. For that I sincerely say thanks to Russia and your president. And I will thank Yanukovych for the toilet.
              Quote: 31231
              And who is given another discount on gas?

              Really to me? And really from you? So even as I paid, I cry.
              Quote: 31231
              Insolence of people like you can bring Ukraine to the level of Tajikistan, God forbid, not Syria.

              And in what way is my arrogance expressed - I do not agree to consider you my benefactor? Do I say that "poking" people is not polite? I do not agree with the fact that I personally did not take anything from Russia’s bounty (and I’m not used to living in debt)? Or that Russian oligarchs (like Ukrainian ones) - Not benefactors? No, I dared to have a point of view different from yours, and therefore I a priori-svidomit?
        4. O_RUS
          O_RUS 7 February 2014 21: 00
          +2
          Quote: Hamul
          Is Russia sponsoring? YES!
          Europe sponsors? Yes!
          Is the US sponsoring? Yes!
          Even China began to sponsor Ukraine ...


          while the interests of 4 countries. True, countries leasing the land of Ukraine are not indicated.

          Quote: Hamul
          so who is independent and independent of Ukraine?


          Most likely, Ukraine (represented by the authorities) is independent and strong and independent of its people.
        5. AVV
          AVV 7 February 2014 23: 14
          +1
          Quote: Hamul
          As you know, those who are not sponsored and live on their own money are independent - so from whom is Ukraine independent and strong?

          This is a bluff of the Western Natsiks, picked up by the odious rulers, even having entered into an alliance with Europe, Ukraine will become as independent as Blue on its preferences and passions !!! Even the same States are dependent on their dollar, on their allies, even dependent on their sworn friends of Iran , Korea, China and Russia !!! Nothing is absolute !!! Even Ukrainian fat and then with streaks !!!
        6. _Forgiven_
          _Forgiven_ 8 February 2014 00: 42
          +5
          Why do they have such an answer? (independent). Again, all of us familiar with the propaganda of freedom? And if you remember the history and the American Revolution, with this freedom the entire population was driven into slavery, although they promised mountains of gold. We have been promising these mountains for 20 years, but we just can't even make an average heap. I do not know who is against joining Russia because of "independence", I am only "FOR". Whoever does not want, let him go through the forest to Tyagnybok and support the Nazis, they will certainly lead to a brighter future ...
        7. Maverick78
          Maverick78 16 February 2014 13: 24
          0
          Question.
          Who is sponsored by Russia ... Europe ... China ???
          How do these "sponsorships" affect me?
          Do I owe anything to Russia, the USA, Europe or China?
          Quite a large part of those standing on the Maidan and supporting them from comfortable apartments oppose these fucked up ladies whom you, together with the USA and Europe, sponsor. Just a smaller, but more aggressive and organized part directs the protest in the wrong direction.
          And I do not support the Maidan because I include not only Yanyk with the camarilla among the "fucking kovs", but also those who support and sponsor the Maidan, as well as current and former deputies .. regardless of their political coloring. And also because the conductors of the Maidan are clearly acting against you. And you may not consider me a friend. I do not care. But I do not want Ukraine to join Russia. This is unrealistic at this stage. I am not a younger brother, read the story, everything is written there. Let your elite try to communicate differently. otherwise some analyst of yours correctly wrote that in this conflict Russia in Ukraine has no one to rely on. Only on the thief and bandit Yanyk and on the likes of Gepa and Dopa from Kharkov.
          And then these trade wars caused great harm to the attitude of Ukrainians towards Russia. If you wanted to punish Poroshenko - close his factory in Lipetsk, for example.
      2. Onizuka teacher
        Onizuka teacher 7 February 2014 09: 36
        +8
        I do not agree. This is one people! Won Koreans divided and what in the end? Let them get mad over the huts. All the same, the barbarians will not be taken to Europe.
        1. Onizuka teacher
          Onizuka teacher 7 February 2014 09: 38
          +7
          Way to Europe.
          1. Onizuka teacher
            Onizuka teacher 7 February 2014 09: 39
            +7
            Some kind of circus.
            1. Gecko
              Gecko 7 February 2014 10: 38
              +21
              From the photographs you provided, it can be argued that Ukrainians love historical role-playing games. wink
              1. tverskoi77
                tverskoi77 7 February 2014 13: 58
                +1
                From the photographs you provided, it can be argued that Ukrainians love historical role-playing games.
                rather, the photographs show where the "crusader" wind is blowing from.
            2. DEfindER
              DEfindER 7 February 2014 15: 36
              +14
              The new composition of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine:
            3. ekzorsist
              ekzorsist 7 February 2014 20: 20
              -5
              Quote: Onizuka's teacher
              Some kind of circus.

              Wai wai !!! And sho then you "took into account" very fluffed up in Ukraine ... - at home, put in a little order at home, and then teach others!
              1. Onizuka teacher
                Onizuka teacher 8 February 2014 12: 48
                0
                I called a catapult a circus and knightly armor. Isn’t it? And at home I have order, but I advise you to put things in order in your head, there’s a lot of rubbish to look at and disappear. Has the ungrateful descendant of the exzorsist left my homeland? If not, then sooooo sorry Europe cries for you. We have enough air to poison. And do not write to me again, I will not answer. It is extremely unpleasant to communicate with people like you.
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          3. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 7 February 2014 13: 17
            +16
            Quote: Teacher Onizuka
            Way to Europe.
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        3. domokl
          domokl 7 February 2014 10: 27
          +16
          Quote: Teacher Onizuka
          . This is one people

          alas, the people are just different ... The name is the same now, and everything else is different from each other .. And in everyday life, in the cultural, and in the spiritual sense ... Moreover, these views are antagonistic.
          You even read disputes about Ukraine here. Even we (including Ukrainian citizens) divided the people into Ukrainians and Westerners ... As if they came from somewhere unknown.
          The trouble with Ukraine is precisely that there is no single people ...
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 7 February 2014 15: 47
            +9
            Quote: domokl
            The trouble with Ukraine is precisely that there is no single people ...

            I think that the point here is not at all the people, in Russia, for example, there are much more different peoples. It just needs a strong government that not only works on a common national idea, but also does not allow extremists and Nazis to destroy their country ..
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          3. _Krechet_
            _Krechet_ 7 February 2014 19: 13
            0
            In Russia, too, there is no single people. Chechens are not very Russian. And besides the Chechens, there are many others ...
            All this diversity is held together only by will and economic buns.

            PS Duplicated by DEfindERa :)
            1. Gecko
              Gecko 9 February 2014 21: 15
              0
              For your information, Russians in Russia are about 80%, Chechens are only 1% ..
        4. seller trucks
          seller trucks 7 February 2014 14: 31
          +3
          Quote: Teacher Onizuka
          I disagree. This is one people!


          the opinion of an amateur, I myself seem to be from "these", I state, nothing in common
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      4. brainkiller
        brainkiller 7 February 2014 09: 39
        +28
        and I was born in CCCP (Potsdam) =))), and before his collapse, my father served in Mukachevo, we lived near a military airfield and I remember how very often, maybe a couple of Soviet fighter patrols flew every 45 for an hour or an hour =)) ) Childhood was spent on fruit trees and in the mountains of sawdust ski factory Tisza in search of large beetles =))
        Many friends are there now, there are relatives =)
        And I am always for supporting Ukraine and for us to be in the same state again.

        If figuratively, Russia and Ukraine are fingers of one hand, a hand that can hold a mace. Ukraine- thumb, RF index =)))
      5. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 7 February 2014 09: 54
        +3
        Quote: Romn
        , 20 more than years of propaganda and independence have done their job!

        And this is very clearly seen in your comment.
        Sad.
        1. domokl
          domokl 7 February 2014 10: 34
          +24
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          And this is very clearly seen in your comment.
          Sad.

          It’s sad ... Only, it seems to me, Romm is in many respects right. The generation of the USSR is dying out, and the post-Soviet generation has already grown up in conditions when what he writes about was actually happening in front of these then children.
          How can I explain to my son that Ukrainians are brothers? If he has a clear answer, These brothers shot me personally and my friends in the Caucasus.
          How can an air regiment commander explain to pilots the losses in 08 from Ukrainian air defense systems taken from a database from near Kiev?
          The time to throw stones has already ended ... The time has come to collect stones.
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 7 February 2014 10: 52
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            How can I explain to my son that Ukrainians are brothers?

            And if your son or any other guy who has already grown up in Russia meets a girl born in Ukraine or parents who were former Ukrainians, how will you explain to him that this is not the daughter of a brotherly people but an enemy?
            You can’t order love!
            1. domokl
              domokl 7 February 2014 11: 00
              +14
              Quote: mhpv
              how will you explain to him that this is not the daughter of a brotherly people but an enemy?

              You know, I’ll probably reveal a terrible secret ... Russia is a multinational country and no one ever asks about nationality ... Whether you are Ukrainian, Russian or Belarusian ... And the son will not ask the girl who she is ...
              We call Ukrainians citizens of Ukraine, and not those who live nearby ... Russians live nearby .. The truth came when the devil knows where laughing
              1. Mhpv
                Mhpv 7 February 2014 11: 15
                +2
                Quote: domokl
                Russia is a multinational country

                That's right, but most families raise their children without forgetting the traditions of those places where the parents themselves grew up.Many know families that have long lived in Russia, but continue to communicate among themselves in Ukrainian (and others) and who they are.
                Life is a complicated thing, and sometimes people have to move for various reasons, and you immediately come to hell knows where the hell knows where else he can throw even in old age. hi
                1. domokl
                  domokl 7 February 2014 12: 45
                  +5
                  Quote: mhpv
                  Many people know families that have long lived in Russia, and continue to communicate among themselves in Ukrainian (and others) and who they are.

                  Probably there are such families, but we didn’t meet them ... But when we sit at the table, we’re singing songs of really different nations. I’m singing both Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian ... You confuse Russia and Europe ... They try to be non-local there, preserve the language and other external attributes of nationality. And in the Urals, no one is obsessed with such nonsense ... There are German villages where the way is completely different than that of Russians, there are Ukrainian, there are Kazakh, but they speak Russian everywhere.
                  1. Val_y
                    Val_y 7 February 2014 13: 18
                    +13
                    Answer me, I was born in Odessa during the USSR, my wife from Rostov also during the USSR, my son after (we don’t go to maydown, all friends and relatives are against europedication) who do we think? And who do you think are the inhabitants of Odessa, Sevastopol, Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Nikolaev, Kherson, eh? 90% against euro?
                2. seller trucks
                  seller trucks 7 February 2014 15: 01
                  +7
                  Quote: mhpv
                  That's right, but most families raise their children without forgetting the traditions of those places where the parents themselves grew up.Many know families that have long lived in Russia, but continue to communicate among themselves in Ukrainian (and others) and who they are.


                  what the hell. as you can imagine in the center of Russia or Siberia: embroidered shirt, trousers and a sedentary, or around Kiev in a kokoshnik and a balalaika, and tradition, as I understand it, is cooking borsch and salting. I’ll say more in Ukraine itself, except for ideological dolts .. no one suffers from this crap, this is already from the field of psychiatry
                  1. Mhpv
                    Mhpv 7 February 2014 15: 35
                    0
                    Well, if you see national traditions only in
                    embroidered shirt, trousers and a sedentary, or in Kiev in a kokoshnik and balalaika, and tradition, as I understand it, is cooking borsch and salting.
                    then it’s really
                    from the field of psychiatry
                    1. seller trucks
                      seller trucks 7 February 2014 15: 54
                      +3
                      well, uncle, I can’t find anything progressive in the culture of the village, it’s just like in Lithuania the culture of a fisherman, a dead-end branch of development. not well, you can "pull up" Sikorsky and Korolev or Amosov and Vernadsky, Mechnikov and Paton by the balls, but these are Russians and Soviet people, they are positioned by Ukrainians as "Ukrainians", their education and their successes were possible only thanks to the same totalitarian regime.
              2. screw cutter
                screw cutter 7 February 2014 13: 00
                +11
                / Russians live nearby .. The truth came when the devil knows where /
                I read it and a picture from the movie "Zhmurki" appeared before my eyes. The hero of Dyuzhev Simon says "you are Ethiopian, and he replied," I am Russian, "and did not renounce.
            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 7 February 2014 13: 21
              +12
              Quote: mhpv
              And if your son or any other guy who has grown up already in Russia meets a girl born in Ukraine on the way


              Ukrainian guy married a Russian girl. Before the wedding night, his father gives him instructions:
              “First, take her in your arms and carry her to the bed.” Show me how strong Ukraine is. Then take off your shirt - show how beautiful Ukraine is.
              And the voice of my grandfather is heard from the next room:
              - And then start the draw .. be - show how independent Ukraine is!
            3. rereture
              rereture 7 February 2014 14: 09
              -8
              And if your son or any other guy who has already grown up in Russia meets a girl born in Ukraine or parents who were former Ukrainians, how will you explain to him that this is not the daughter of a brotherly people but an enemy?



              Let them give money and have fun, because in Europe it is known that the most affordable girls in Ukraine.

              http://vlasti.net/news/67360
              1. Bezz
                Bezz 8 February 2014 00: 44
                0
                You, I see, all Europe went through the mess? Or did you write yourself in Europeans? Do not flatter yourself. You just pull on the Hamlo Horde.
                1. rereture
                  rereture 8 February 2014 01: 26
                  -1
                  Or is it you yourself recorded in Europeans

                  And what not? After all, the continent of Europe stretches from the Atlantic Ocean to the Ural Mountains.
              2. Bezz
                Bezz 8 February 2014 00: 45
                +1
                Quote: rereture
                Let them give money and have fun, because in Europe it is known that the most affordable girls in Ukraine.

                You, I see, all Europe went through the mess? Or did you write yourself in Europeans? Do not flatter yourself. You just pull on the Hamlo Horde.
                1. rereture
                  rereture 8 February 2014 01: 32
                  -1
                  You can admire.

                  Femen protest against harassment in institutions near the Ministry of Science and Education of Ukraine in 2009. Or girls, because they like to show themselves on the show that it’s better not to study, but to protest with a bare ass.

                  Click here for other photos

                  http://www.pipa.su/news/v_rot_za_zachet_53_foto/2009-11-17-2087
          2. Nikoha.2010
            Nikoha.2010 7 February 2014 11: 32
            +12
            Good day, Alexander! You are absolutely right and especially about the tingling. How much time is being discussed about the political situation in Ukraine on the VO website, a huge number of statements, opinions, etc. I was also born in the USSR and my younger brother (in Hungary), my father served in Prikvo. Grew, studied, lived normally. The city of Stryi, Lviv region, was reminiscent of the enormous connection of the SA — Tu-16, Tu-22, MiG-23 regiments, RTV, ZRV and other regiments, with their military towns and ifastructure. I will not say that the life of Russians in the regions of western Ukraine was very different from other regions. He joined the army in 1989, returned two years later and did not recognize ... all chews and blocks, tridents, geth acupants, etc. We left for Russia in 1992. What am I doing, we live in memories, and for our children deeply to what is happening there. But our children do not know how a few Kamaz trucks loaded things on a day, how they abandoned an apartment, how they proved that we are citizens of Russia! But no offense. They are independent and hold the flag in their hands! IMHO.
          3. Gato
            Gato 7 February 2014 11: 34
            +8
            Quote: domokl
            It's sad ... Only, it seems to me, Romm is in many ways right

            Really sad. The solution is not to mean the people (and vice versa) by the state. Just such troubled times.
            For example, I perfectly remember the reaction of Ukrainians to the events of 888 - the opinions are categorically opposed, and even among my friends there are people who fought in the Caucasus on the side of the federals.
            And in power ueb..ntsev always enough - that "our" Yushchenko, that "your" EBN.
            1. domokl
              domokl 7 February 2014 12: 49
              +2
              Quote: Gato
              For example, I perfectly remember the reaction of Ukrainians to the events of 888

              That's just the point ... You see, conversations are conversations, but those soldiers who participated in these battles will never forgive ... That's the trouble ...
          4. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 7 February 2014 11: 41
            +8
            Quote: domokl
            How can I explain to my son that Ukrainians are brothers?

            The fact is that when discussing propaganda in other countries, in particular in Ukraine, you forget, or even do not realize that propaganda in Russia is at a higher level. There are practically no patriotic media outlets. (both in Ukraine and in Russia) And those who are trying to pass themselves off as patriotic-Nazi. Nationalism is love for one's nation, country, culture. Nazism - hatred, disdain, contempt for other nations, countries, cultures. (so think about why some here write Ukraine with a small letter, write about stupid Ukrainians, etc. Who taught them? Because with their "brains" they would not have come to this) One-sided and profitable coverage of events in hostile media is bearing fruit and in Russia, and in Ukraine. Silence of some facts and protrusion of others.
            To the Brothers. Russian explain that the Ukrainian-Brother is not necessary. This must be explained to the Russian. This is just the media.
            Caucasus. Big and complicated topic. Why not remember that the Russians also fought against the Russian Federation? in Chechnya.
            Georgia. There were also Russian military supplies. Wars do not start unexpectedly.
            You can write a lot. The point is different: think for yourself, not through the media.
            1. domokl
              domokl 7 February 2014 13: 00
              +9
              Propaganda is needed for boys who know the war of computer shooters ... Those who really know what war is not needed. They do not need to be persuaded.
              I’ve been on this resource for a long time and I see that even Ukrainians themselves often do not hesitate in expressions about the opposite side of the conflict ... Even in our thread you can read about real Ukrainians ...
              And the attitude to Ukraine as a state was formed not thanks to propaganda, but thanks to Ukraine itself. More precisely, its attitude to Russia. I have many friends of Ukrainians. Great friends with whom I ate more than once from one pot ... And I know that they friends. But the state of Ukraine, alas, is not a friend.
              Now remove from the branch all the statements of Soviet people .. Leave only the youth and you will see the attitude of Russians and Ukrainians to the fullest. Or go to the Ukrainian site. You will see in the majority how Ukrainians love brothers.
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              2. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 7 February 2014 13: 31
                +4
                Quote: domokl
                ..Leave only the youth and you will see the attitude of Russians and Ukrainians in full. Or go to the Ukrainian site. You will see in the majority how Ukrainians love brothers

                Man believes in what he wants to believe. This is not an analysis or a real review of the situation, but emotions. Some insult. Personal or inspired again through the media. Do you want to believe that on Ukrainian sites Russia will water Ostap with Zhytomyr, and not Vasyl from suppose Vancouver? Or are you too lazy to think about this? Easier in the general flow. Everyone is driven to Ukraine and I will.
                A month ago I came from the Carpathians. I was in Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv region. Plus all of Ukraine in transit. I met many vacationers and tourists from Russia. Everywhere fluently and easily spoke Russian. All people are welcoming and welcoming. ALL!!! But the media will find 0, 00000001% of the idiots that are everywhere. And they will show. So it’s not for me to tell stories about the fierce Ukrainians.
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            2. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 7 February 2014 13: 28
              +6
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              The fact is that when you discuss propaganda in other countries, in particular in Ukraine, you forget, or even don’t realize, that propaganda in Russia is at a higher level.


              Oh really? The whole Ukrainian zomboyaschik is Promaidan, there is no freedom of speech as such in Ukraine, but he is certainly totalitarian in Russia.

              clickable.
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 7 February 2014 14: 31
                -1
                Quote: Karlsonn
                Quote: gladiatorakz
                The fact is that when you discuss propaganda in other countries, in particular in Ukraine, you forget, or even don’t realize, that propaganda in Russia is at a higher level.


                Oh really? The whole Ukrainian zomboyaschik is Promaidan, there is no freedom of speech as such in Ukraine, but he is certainly totalitarian in Russia.

                clickable.

                Where did I write the opposite? Only everyone except Euronews also has Russian TV. And we have the opportunity to compare the propaganda of different empires. Simplify a little, but in general.
                About totalitarianism in general is nonsense. Had a dream of what?
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 7 February 2014 21: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  Only everyone except Euronews also has Russian TV.


                  not at all.

                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  And we have the opportunity to compare the propaganda of different empires.


                  But in Russia, are foreign channels prohibited and there is nothing to compare officialdom with?

                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  About totalitarianism in general is nonsense. Had a dream of what?


                  it was sarcasm. hi
              2. 31231
                31231 7 February 2014 23: 02
                +1
                Bgg. Only now I realized that in Russia state television dominates.
                The legarchic is quieter and quieter.
        2. Rblipetsk
          Rblipetsk 7 February 2014 19: 31
          +1
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          And this is very clearly seen in your comment.
          Sad.

          what did the man say wrong? I wrote more than once in VO - I don’t have any brothers in Ukraine. I’m an adult, not a kid, I’ve been working since I was 15 years old (like this, before lunch at school, then work), I don’t look at the shit-boxer (on the issue of brainwashed). I understand that Ukraine, half-regions, a quarter of Ukraine, Russia doesn’t need anyway. why does my state sponsor yours? that is, in fact, Mr. Putin at my expense feeds the gladiator kz and the shoblu on the Maidan. why I, living in Russia, plow like a tractor to feed my family, and you whip along the Maidan, and demand, demand, demand. Ukraine for Russians in Russia has become TOO MUCH. why do I go to Yandex and see the euromaidan window? I don't need it. go to geyropov, Antarctica, space ... wherever you want. REACHED. and then it’s sad for you that Russian at home suddenly started to swing ....
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 7 February 2014 19: 55
            0
            Quote: RBLipetsk
            I wrote more than once in VO - I don’t have any brothers in Ukraine. I’m an adult, not a kid, I’ve been working since I was 15 years old (like this, before lunch at school, then work), I don’t look at the shit-boxer (on the issue of brainwashed).

            For many years does not mean that you are an adult. Yes, and the brain, so you washed it, you need to grow. The spinal cord is not washed. What book to read, breadwinner of all Ukraine. Ukraine is capitalized.
            1. Rblipetsk
              Rblipetsk 7 February 2014 23: 11
              0
              blah blah blah. I am an adult. and I don’t get personal because of the lack of clear arguments. and I know how to spell Ukraine. I’m not going to write the word outskirts (Russia) with a capital letter. I am not tolerant, but honest. and also I am a citizen and taxpayer of a country called Russia. which gave the country called Ukraine 15 green billions. for Ukraine quickly forgets about debts. nat. hell to see. brother 2 watched? look. very right there our relationship is shown.
              1. 31231
                31231 7 February 2014 23: 18
                +3
                which gave the country called Ukraine 15 green billions.

                I didn’t give it, but I gave it on credit. So far, only 3 billion Baku. The rest was slowed down to the go-ahead of Woland. Somehow this does not fit in with this:
                I am an adult. and I don’t get personal because of the lack of clear arguments.
                1. Rblipetsk
                  Rblipetsk 7 February 2014 23: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: 31231
                  I didn’t give it, but I gave it on credit.

                  return date? and indeed, they will give? and which country will give? They are there ... Note that several hundred residents of the Lviv region went to Uzhgorod in order to seize the regional state administration and administrative buildings. “Transcarpathians are against such robbery, so they decided not to allow people from other regions to be in charge on their territory,” local media write ...began to divide into areas.
                  Quote: 31231
                  Calm down, sickly.

                  I repeat for drove an armored train
                  I don’t turn to personalities due to the lack of clear arguments.
                  Quote: 31231
                  Follow your family feed and tax laws. And do not count other people's money.

                  I feed. I observe. and tearing out phrases from the context is not the right thing. what do you need for your like-minded gladiator kz
              2. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 8 February 2014 00: 35
                +2
                Quote: RBLipetsk
                blah blah blah. I am an adult. and I don’t get personal because of the lack of clear arguments. and I know how to spell Ukraine. I’m not going to write the word outskirts (Russia) with a capital letter. I am not tolerant, but honest. and also I am a citizen and taxpayer of a country called Russia. which gave the country called Ukraine 15 green billions. for Ukraine quickly forgets about debts. nat. hell to see. brother 2 watched? look. very right there our relationship is shown.

                Well, a mess. He suspected that education had fallen, but not the same, people .... A chaotic set of other people's stamps.
                1. Rblipetsk
                  Rblipetsk 8 February 2014 00: 52
                  -2
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  Well, a mess. He suspected that education had fallen, but not the same, people .... A chaotic set of other people's stamps.

                  Listen, analyte. ..............deleted by moderator Apollo you haven’t found a single argument. some burping. I understand. vocabulary is limited, no thoughts, except for those that google and read on the walls of the fences there. so go, brains of your wife (if you have one) fuck. I understand that life in nete is calmer. .......deleted. so I don’t have to answer. everything is clear about you. not interesting.
          2. 31231
            31231 7 February 2014 23: 05
            0
            Calm down, sickly.
            that is, in fact, Mr. Putin at my expense feeds the gladiator kz and the shoblu on the Maidan.

            Observe your food and tax laws for your family. And do not count other people's money. If you don't like something, go to the Bolotny Maidan and shout "Get out gang!" I'll smile at least.
      6. Kolya
        Kolya 7 February 2014 10: 03
        +9
        The information you receive comes from the media controlled by Ukrainian oligarchs. The oligarchy and the occupation power in Ukraine do and did all those dirty tricks. You don’t even hear the Ukrainian people, but you already intend to quarrel with him (the three western regions do not count, the east of Ukraine is hated there just like Russia itself). Every real Ukrainian, just like you, is angry when he finds out about Ukrainians in Chechnya, the technologies sold to China, criminal cooperation with Georgia. We need to cool our heads.
        1. domokl
          domokl 7 February 2014 10: 42
          +4
          Quote: Kohl
          Every real Ukrainian, just like you, is angry when he finds out about Ukrainians in Chechnya, the technologies sold to China, criminal cooperation with Georgia. We need to cool our heads.

          Tell me, are those who live in the western regions Ukrainians or not? According to your comment, it turns out that the real ones live everywhere except 3 of the western regions ...
          I’m just about this and I want to say to young people who are now almost impossible to explain why Ukraine is different before the 30 years ... They don’t share the country ... But we, and you and we, share with us. And in this division driven themselves into a logical dead end ... are there Ukrainians and who are they ...
          1. Kolya
            Kolya 7 February 2014 11: 34
            +1
            Of course, I divided it conditionally given the current political context. There are also many like-minded people in three regions. And all over Ukraine there are various criminals and pedophiles, for example, who are also actual "real" Ukrainians. Since the word "real" is usually used in a good sense, it is better to use it in relation to us. good
            Ukrainians are one nation divided into groups by two multidirectional, mutually exclusive cultural vectors. These groups, like the people as a whole, have no boundaries, being associated with one or another territory according to the vectors. That is, the struggle for our culture is a just cause. Yes, subjectively, but on the other hand, it is also subjective, but if they win with their culture, then we are objectively khan.
            1. domokl
              domokl 7 February 2014 13: 03
              0
              Quote: Kohl
              Yes, subjectively, but on the other hand, it is also subjective, but if they win with their culture, then we are objectively khan.

              Here is the answer to all the questions ... What kind of united people are they, if the question is now being discussed in all seriousness in this context, for those who we call Zapadents, Natsik, Maidanut and other neoplasms argue in the same way ...
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 7 February 2014 13: 34
          +12
          Quote: Kohl
          (the three western regions do not count, the east of Ukraine is hated there just like Russia itself).


          ...About 300 Transcarpathians are now on the Veretsky Pass and blocking the approaches to Uzhgorod. They report that they will not allow the entry of Galician extremists into Transcarpathia. Note that several hundred residents of the Lviv region went to Uzhgorod in order to seize the regional state administration and administrative buildings. “Transcarpathians are against such robbery, therefore they decided not to allow people from other regions to be in charge on their territory,” local media write.
          ... not everything is so simple.
      7. Zamachus
        Zamachus 7 February 2014 10: 44
        +2
        I agree with Romn sheer wrecking on the part of our (brothers), although I also have relatives living there 50 km from Kharkov, but even here the people, too, for joining the geysoyuz TV channels so brainwashed them that in a couple of years Russia is their first enemy on earth
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      9. matross
        matross 7 February 2014 10: 48
        +3
        Quote: Romn
        , 20 more than years of propaganda and independence have done their job!

        20 years for History - nothing!
        Quote: Romn
        Why should I be nice to this country !?

        Because "this country" is a separate part of ours.
        Quote: Romn
        minus gentlemen ...

        Please hi
      10. Mhpv
        Mhpv 7 February 2014 11: 04
        +2
        Quote: Romn
        Yes, and remember the story, Ukraine was not the whole

        Remember the story or read Karamzin again that Russia was not united for a long time and the son went to his father and brother to brother, therefore all sorts of Poles, Mongols, etc. were robbed by Russia.
        And only John Kalita began to unite the country, and partly at the cost of a bloody one.
      11. crest
        crest 7 February 2014 11: 11
        -4
        As an ungrateful representative of the non-brotherly people, I want to make a small remark.
        The Russians and you remember your recent history, with whom we had to be friends, with Bukhara and Kent Bereza, you yourself did not revel in the detski. This is now, when Bear, thanks God recovered and gained strength, you became attractive as friends, and you still behave anyhow.
        1. xan
          xan 7 February 2014 11: 42
          +11
          The Russians and you remember your recent history, with whom we had to be friends, with Bukhara and Kent Bereza, you yourself did not revel in the detski. This is now, when Bear, thanks God recovered and gained strength, you became attractive as friends, and you still behave anyhow.

          Naher needs friends who think primarily about the benefits of friendship. We need those who will be with you in any situation. Look for friends elsewhere.
          1. crest
            crest 7 February 2014 11: 49
            -4
            Sorry, but if a friend is not adequate, then it is simply dangerous to be friends with him
          2. crest
            crest 7 February 2014 12: 17
            -4
            I also adhere to this principle, but I'm sorry it's hard to be friends with morons.
            1. xan
              xan 7 February 2014 18: 49
              +3
              I also adhere to this principle, but I'm sorry it's hard to be friends with morons.

              I can imagine how you would look at us if you were in your place. No, I don’t want to live with someone like you in one country.
            2. Yars
              Yars 8 February 2014 13: 23
              0
              I think that p r and d u ro k here you are "x o ho l", who PASSING BROTHER PEOPLES FOR MONEY! A real Ukrainian for friendship with the Russians! YOU HAVE SUCH ESSENCE, SALE CHEAP!
          3. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 7 February 2014 13: 36
            0
            Quote: xan
            Look for friends elsewhere.


            enchanting !!! good burn escho.
        2. almost demobil
          almost demobil 7 February 2014 16: 37
          +3
          Eto now, when the Bear recovered, thank God and gained strength, you became attractive as friends

          If you remember about friendship when you need help, it is better to try such "friends".
          And yet, one eastern wise guy said, in my opinion, O. Khayam, about such friends: "... and it is better to be alone than with just anyone."
      12. AnaBat
        AnaBat 7 February 2014 11: 25
        +4
        Quote: Romn
        I remember, so this is a country that watered Russia with everything possible

        It's not for me to judge you ... the collapse of one big country has led to what we have! Fortunately, nothing is forgotten and nobody is forgotten! There is a memory of ancestors, those who remember the brotherly country. And we cannot afford to give up and not fight for our common future. We are historically connected and must be together! We will make our children remember that RUSSIA and UKRAINE are BROTHERS !!!
        1. Anper
          Anper 7 February 2014 14: 03
          +5
          Quote: AnaBat
          nothing is forgotten and nobody is forgotten!

          Ukrainian school textbooks do just about everything so that not only everything is forgotten, but what their authors need is forgotten: you will not find the term World War II - only the Second World War or the Soviet-German conflict. Or like you, for example, such a sign about industrialization: a liberal way of development (when the situation could be FIXED BY THE MARKET WAY and everything would be in chocolate) and the administrative way of development (Stalin, of course, which one). A very similar approach was shown on a different topic by the recently scandalized TV channel.
          Or a question about the educational program in the USSR (I retype it directly from the textbook): think, is it worth attributing the progress in the field of education to any one political force? Or here is the wording: contrary to the consistent and purposeful work of the Bolsheviks, new educational institutions were opened in Ukraine - universities, institutes, schools, gymnasiums, including those with the Ukrainian language of instruction.
          Question: where are friends here? (Especially when you consider that Russia a priori = Bolsheviks = komunyaki).
      13. Odysseus
        Odysseus 7 February 2014 11: 27
        +5
        Quote: Romn
        So what are we talking about !? Tell me why we support the integrity of this Ukraine, I am for its division into 2 parts and further accession about the Russian to us, then the Black Sea fleet will be safe and people who are faithful to us in Ukraine will be safe and we will have territories!

        A small amendment. The best thing is the civilized "divorce" of Eastern and Western Ukraine into 2 parts, but without including Eastern Ukraine in Russia.
        Eastern Ukraine forms an independent sovereign state friendly to Russia and Belarus.
        This is what needs to be promoted. Not the inclusion of part of Ukraine in Russia (which will be perceived as annexation), but the liberation of Eastern Ukraine from the rebels from Galicia.
      14. crest
        crest 7 February 2014 11: 32
        0
        How can a Ukrainian say so. The Russians remember their recent history, who taxied Bukhara and Birch. We needed to be friends with them, so as not to step on his great Russian.
        Now, thank God, the Bear is recovering and his roar is heard and perceived in the world.
        And a little personal, I don’t know about the militants (as far as I know, the Russian army could not imagine the corpses and captured Ukrainians), but our builders took part in the reconstruction of Chechnya (the former construction department of the Krivoy Rog Metalurgical Plant)
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        2. Nikoha.2010
          Nikoha.2010 7 February 2014 12: 41
          +1
          but our builders took part in the restoration of Chechnya (the former construction department of the Krivoy Rog Metalurgical Plant)

          Andrew! Your builders are well done, but can you imagine how much money (Russian taxpayers) has gone here and will continue to go?
        3. seller trucks
          seller trucks 7 February 2014 15: 43
          +6
          The Russians remember their recent history, who taxied Bukhara and Birch.


          uh-uh, I don’t understand ... why are you hanging on to Bereza and Yeltsin? Ukraine, like many "allied" ones, received huge compensation: industry, the army and the navy, debts from scratch, you received gas for more than 10 years almost free of charge and sold it to Europe, how did they shit you so much? Whether they are to blame for inciting Ukrainian separatism or not, not so, the bloody totalitarian regime, which gave all the Ukrainians, is to blame for all the troubles. Okst, buddy. You have been "not feeding" your older brother for 23 years, then de second France? who's guilty?
        4. almost demobil
          almost demobil 7 February 2014 16: 31
          +2
          our builders took part in the restoration of Chechnya

          In my opinion, Ukrainian builders are not "restoring" Chechnya, but half of Moscow together with the Moldovans laughing
      15. Witch
        Witch 7 February 2014 11: 35
        +9
        Quote: Romn
        Tell me why we support the integrity of this Ukraine, I am for its division into 2 parts and further accession about the Russian to us, then the Black Sea fleet will be safe and people who are faithful to us in Ukraine will be safe and we will have territories! Otherwise, the whole Ukraine will not return to us, there is no need to torment illusions, everything will be exactly the same as now, more than 20 years of propaganda and independence have done their job! Yes, and remember the story, Ukraine was not the whole and half of the people have always been against us, against Russia ... Here is my opinion! minus gentlemen ...


        A dangerous fallacy ....
        By supporting the collapse of the neighbor, we can start similar processes with us. The Caucasus, Siberia and Primorye can easily go on an independent voyage.

        I grew up in the Union, I am an ethnic Ukrainian, I have ALL relatives living in Ukraine (Maybe not politically correct, but they taught me to use this excuse at school). So, communicating with my many relatives, I have long ago come to the conclusion that Russia and Ukraine are two independent states with diverging development vectors.
        We lost the war for the minds. Even educated people who, by the age of 91, have developed as individuals do not love us, they hate and blame us for all troubles (Respect for the propaganda in zombies).
        Based on the foregoing, I see the right steps by Russia to prevent the collapse of Ukraine (if only the economic interests of Russia are not forgotten), and subsequently it is necessary to build a RUSSIAN economic policy in such a way that even the most svidomo in the very Bandera-tuned part of the western state understand that Russia needs be friends...
        1. domokl
          domokl 7 February 2014 13: 13
          0
          Quote: Witch
          the steps of Russia to prevent the collapse of Ukraine are seen as right for me

          Alas, this is an ideal option. And the ideal is almost always unattainable ... Purely theoretically we beat this option. Ukraine is one, that is. We will return the status quo. And what do we get? Again, two completely different entities, which are barely connected only politically.
          It seems to me that changes cannot be avoided and the issue of federation has matured. Otherwise, mutual reproaches will continue.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 7 February 2014 15: 09
            0
            Quote: domokl
            Alas, this is an ideal option. And the ideal is almost always unattainable ... Purely theoretically we beat this option. Ukraine is one, that is. return the status quo. and what do we get?

            In reality, this is not ideal, but a monstrous option. the entire A Ukraine-friendly Russia is absolutely impossible (except for the option of restoring Soviet power, but this is unrealistic) even if Russia begins to actively intervene in the political life in Ukraine, as the West does.
            And in the current alignment of forces, when the West largely determines the policy of the Ukrainian government, and 100% determines the policy of the "opposition", Russia's attempts to "prevent the collapse of Ukraine" will mean that we will not only bring NATO near Donetsk and Kharkov, we will also pay money for this.
        2. xan
          xan 7 February 2014 18: 54
          +2
          Quote: Witch
          By supporting the collapse of the neighbor, we can start similar processes with us. The Caucasus, Siberia and Primorye can easily go on an independent voyage.

          What does it mean easy? What kind of snot any?
          And in my opinion, there will always be separate moods regardless of the events in Ukraine. Why did the secession of the territories of Georgia 080808 not affect "Caucasus and Siberia will easily go on their own"?
        3. Rblipetsk
          Rblipetsk 7 February 2014 23: 21
          0
          Quote: Witch
          and subsequently, it is necessary to build the RUSSIAN economic policy in such a way that even the most Svidomo in the most Bandera-minded part of the Western world understand that Russia needs to be friends ...

          here is almost entirely your comment is correct. here’s just the last sentence ... you yourself wrote about vectors ... the brains of people in Ukraine are washed so that everything, absolutely everything negative is from Moscow. And then at such a pace it will only get worse. so why should a simple Ukrainian delve into himself when he is a ready-made enemy, eagerly looking at Ukrainian lard across the border ...
        4. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 8 February 2014 00: 50
          +1
          Quote: Witch
          I have ALL relatives living in Ukraine (Maybe not politically correct, but at school I was taught to use this very excuse).


          In America it is incorrect to call blacks blacks, but I’m not worried about anything. And you do not bother hi
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      17. OPTR
        OPTR 7 February 2014 12: 59
        +2
        This is a little stamp when they say about brotherly peoples. Fraternal first of all concrete people, friends, relatives, allies. There is a general perception of the world, which I see as "Western" or "non-Western". And it divides both Ukraine and Russia.
        The position of the state is determined by people from the "upper" strata. They are definitely not friends or relatives. And they can only be allies according to the situation. This follows from the goals of their activities - money and power.
        You identify Russia and the chance of its development with specific individuals. But there are other forces in Russia that are just allies of the respective forces of Ukraine. They are quite friendly and praise each other. But I think that you will not be very happy with such brotherhood and friendship. Not all friendships are equally useful.
        The stakes are much higher than "partitioning Ukraine" or "saving" a loyal population. We see only a small part of the situation.
      18. tverskoi77
        tverskoi77 7 February 2014 13: 49
        +3
        FRIEND? I tell you - NO!
        here Bulgaria exactly fits this description. Like a friend, but always fighting against us!
      19. revnagan
        revnagan 7 February 2014 14: 02
        +5
        Quote: Romn
        And what am I seeing here! ?? FRIEND? I tell you - NO! Why should I be nice to this country !?

        Dear ROMN, you are on the site quite recently, and in your post you are raising questions that were said-negotiated a long time ago. And nevertheless, they regularly bring an abundant amount of "+" to everyone who raises them. And your call to minus you does not seem entirely sincere. Well, now, point by point:
        a)
        Quote: Romn
        a country that waters Russia with everything possible

        Is Russia in debt?
        b)
        Quote: Romn
        Ukrainians acted in Chechnya on the side of militants

        In Chechnya, Russians, including ethnic Russians, acted on the side of the militants. Neither the state of Ukraine, nor the government sent anyone there. And thanks to the Russian Armed Forces for beating them, it came less to the Maidan.
        at)
        Quote: Romn
        Ukraine sells technology to China (to the detriment of Russia)

        Russia sells its latest equipment to China in single copies, the Chinese copy it and release their counterparts of Russian products. In addition to Ukraine, the Chinese buy technology around the world (if it is not possible to steal it) How China uses it is not known. The whole world sells to China technologies - all to the detriment of Russia?
        d)
        Quote: Romn
        in a conflict with Georgia, Ukraine even supplied it with equipment

        Ukraine supplied Georgian equipment according to agreements concluded before the conflict, just as Israel, and a number of other countries, did.
        Quote: Romn
        The Ukrainian government is doing everything to prevent it from being established or, while worsening the situation of our fleet in Crimea

        e) Isn't an agreement on extending the terms of basing the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Crimea signed? By the way, under Yushche there wasn’t even a conversation about this.
        Quote: Romn
        conducts anti Russian propaganda

        see point "a"
        To complete the picture, you did not mention that the Ukrainians (or Ukraine?) Were stealing (la?) Russian gas (is it me, or what? And I wonder how? With a bag?) Here you would get "plus signs"! The main thing is to rip the shirt from the gate , they say, "Now, s..ki, minus!" I give an idea. And you continue in the same spirit to establish relations between people.
        Quote: Romn
        I am for its division into 2 parts and further accession about the Russian to us, then the Black Sea Fleet will be safe with us and people who are faithful to us in Ukraine will be safe and we will have territories!

        Childish babble. And what to do with those pro-Russian-minded Ukrainians who will remain in the Banderite region? And with the nationalists who are in Eastern Ukraine? Shall we exchange people on the bridge, as residents of the intelligence service? will be "!
        My advice to you is to think that you write, and delve into what you write about.
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 7 February 2014 14: 38
          0
          Revnagan, a definite plus! Dismantled!
          1. xan
            xan 7 February 2014 19: 01
            +2
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            Revnagan, a definite plus! Dismantled!

            Of course I did!
            I only forgot about one thing: at first Russia fraternally gave half-hanging, and Ukraine, in response, spread terry Russophobia and poured mud wherever possible. Very brotherly. Let the jealousy answer something.
            1. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 7 February 2014 19: 22
              0
              Quote: xan
              I only forgot about one thing - at first Russia fraternally gave halfway,

              This was invented for the empty-headed media. As with individual females it happens, so that it does not happen - "men - goats!" Diagnosis: chronic under ... So the Ukrainians are to blame for everything. Do you get a salary to breed a srach? Between Russians and Ukrainians?
              1. xan
                xan 8 February 2014 00: 16
                +2
                Quote: gladiatorakz
                This was invented for the empty-headed media. As with individual females it happens, so that it does not happen - "men - goats!" Diagnosis: chronic malnutrition. So the Ukrainians are to blame for everything. Do you get a salary to breed a srach?

                You can answer at least once directly in a manly way without verbal diarrhea - why did Ukraine again respond fraternally with Russophobia in a brotherly way to the super-cheap Russian fraudulently?
                1. gladiatorakz
                  gladiatorakz 8 February 2014 00: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: xan
                  You can answer at least once directly in a manly way without verbal diarrhea - why did Ukraine again respond fraternally with Russophobia in a brotherly way to the super-cheap Russian fraudulently?

                  At the time of the conclusion of the contract, these were average prices. The price was linked to the price of transportation. The contract was long-term. Prices have risen.
                  Frenzied Russophobia is from the media of suggestions, and not from reality. Phrases as from a rally, do not even change.
                  1. 31231
                    31231 8 February 2014 07: 39
                    +2
                    At the same time, Ukraine continued to be felt in Russia as a fraternal republic (along with many others), and therefore received gas at a price about 3,5 times lower than the European one - at $ 50 / thousand cubic meters. However, it quickly became clear that the new independent power, which had at the time of its separation of GDP per person much more than Russia, was not able to timely pay for gas even at such favorable and fraternal prices.

                    More information at http://voprosik.net/ukraina-i-gaz-podrobno/ © QUESTION
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                  3. xan
                    xan 8 February 2014 13: 44
                    0
                    Quote: gladiatorakz
                    At the time of the conclusion of the contract, these were average prices.

                    lies. The price for Germany at that time was about 3 times higher, but now it is the same.
                    Quote: gladiatorakz
                    The price was linked to the price of transportation.

                    Rave. A gas discount of $ 100 per thousand for Ukraine, and Ukraine threw off $ 6 per thousand for transportation. Very fraternal agreement. When Putin first proposed paying market prices for gas and transportation, you screeched like victims.
                    Quote: gladiatorakz
                    Frenzied Russophobia is from the media of suggestions, not from reality

                    Enough! On this site you are tired of poking into the initial Russophobia like cats in your own sleigh.
                    Quote: gladiatorakz
                    Phrases as from a rally, do not even change.

                    Why do I need phrases and a rally, you are Ukrainians and so are punished by a frantic impoverishment for your stupidity and greyhound. This infuriates you, your own powerlessness and state humiliation.
                    1. gladiatorakz
                      gladiatorakz 8 February 2014 23: 37
                      0
                      Quote: xan
                      Quote: gladiatorakz
                      At the time of the conclusion of the contract, these were average prices.

                      lies. The price for Germany at that time was about 3 times higher, but now it is the same.
                      Quote: gladiatorakz
                      The price was linked to the price of transportation.

                      Rave. A gas discount of $ 100 per thousand for Ukraine, and Ukraine threw off $ 6 per thousand for transportation. Very fraternal agreement. When Putin first proposed paying market prices for gas and transportation, you screeched like victims.
                      Quote: gladiatorakz
                      Frenzied Russophobia is from the media of suggestions, not from reality

                      Enough! On this site you are tired of poking into the initial Russophobia like cats in your own sleigh.
                      Quote: gladiatorakz
                      Phrases as from a rally, do not even change.

                      Why do I need phrases and a rally, you are Ukrainians and so are punished by a frantic impoverishment for your stupidity and greyhound. This infuriates you, your own powerlessness and state humiliation.

                      Who unleashed you? Well, run to the ward. It creeps into the computer.
                      1. xan
                        xan 9 February 2014 23: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        Who unleashed you? Well, run to the ward. It creeps into the computer.

                        The drain is counted. Trying to translate into your usual ho.hlo.srach. You are obviously overworked, poor fellow.
                        I remind you that your writings are not only read by me - that you are a disgrace, I have long understood.
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 7 February 2014 22: 26
              +4
              Quote: xan
              Let the jealousy answer something.

              Yes, like two fingers on the asphalt. For "khazpopisyat" Russia bought the loyalty of the then government of Ukraine. The Ukrainian government sold gas to Europe at a much higher price. It put the difference in its pocket. And behaved quite brotherly. Household gas for the needs of the population Ukraine was and is being mined on the territory of Ukraine itself. When the Russian government was outraged, they say, what are you doing ?! Do not share !!, the Ukrainian began to kick. Ukraine received new gas prices, the industry was on the verge of disaster, the Ukrainian authorities are oligarchs - industrialists screechingly began throwing dirt in the direction of Russia. Ukraine began to buy Russian gas in Germany!, and cheaper than on the border with Russia. Well, brotherly. In order for the industry to completely die, it was necessary to start up production of household gas and so little, and raise the price on it (they say, Russia is to blame). The extreme was the population, which gas for fifty and did not smell (and in Russia they regularly told on TV how to insie fat eaters steal Russian gas in bags, boxes and carts) Well, something like that.
              1. 31231
                31231 7 February 2014 23: 29
                -2
                Domestic gas for the needs of the population of Ukraine was produced and is being produced on the territory of Ukraine itself.

                Do not carry nonsense. Volumes of gas consumption by Ukraine for themselves are 40-60 billion m3.
                Own gas production, according to the Ministry of Energy, 20-24 billion m3.
                Moreover, all the dregs with "our own - not our" gas will disappear when the South Stream is launched at full capacity.
                It's no secret that Ukraine bought part of the gas volumes of European countries from its pipe. And she allegedly talked about the reverse.
                1. gladiatorakz
                  gladiatorakz 8 February 2014 00: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: 31231
                  Achinea, do not carry it. The volume of gas consumption by Ukraine for itself is 40-60 billion cubic meters. Its own gas production, according to the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry, is 3-20 billion cubic meters. Moreover, all the dregs with "their own" gas will disappear when South Stream is launched at full capacity.

                  40-65bn the entire volume. Both household and industrial. 18-25bn gas for the population. Russian gas is used for production, which, according to the Soviet Union, consumes quite a lot.
                  Ukraine will remain a transit country for a long time. South Stream is not able to pump such volumes. And then it’s profitable for everyone. We just need clear agreements on delivery and pumping.
                  1. 31231
                    31231 8 February 2014 07: 43
                    0
                    South Stream is not able to pump such volumes. And then it’s profitable for everyone.

                    Take an interest in the topic carefully. In addition to the southern stream, it is planned to increase the capacity of the hydraulic structures of Belarus.
                    1. gladiatorakz
                      gladiatorakz 8 February 2014 14: 52
                      0
                      Quote: 31231
                      South Stream is not able to pump such volumes. And then it’s profitable for everyone.

                      Take an interest in the topic carefully. In addition to the southern stream, it is planned to increase the capacity of the hydraulic structures of Belarus.

                      Honestly, I will only be glad if Russia does not need transit, and Ukraine will have its own gas.
                      This question is a stumbling block between countries. And since the issues are interconnected, it seems to many that a neighbor’s conditions are more favorable.
                      Russia is trying to change transit routes, Ukraine is increasing its production. Tremendous money is being spent to ensure its independence from transit and gas. Brotherhood and trust here does not smell. When will the invested money beat off? Yes, never.
                      Normal gas and transit prices are much more profitable for both.
                2. revnagan
                  revnagan 8 February 2014 14: 14
                  0
                  Quote: 31231
                  Volumes of gas consumption by Ukraine for themselves are 40-60 billion m3.

                  It’s true, including the needs of industry (and, oh, it’s gluttonous). And for domestic needs (gas stoves, heating, hot water) 22 billion cubic meters is quite enough. For the South Stream, this is a farce, like the North. Without gas storages "Any stream is fiction. North stream, what is the diameter of the plastic pipeline? And do you seriously think that he, together with South Stream, is able to compete with the Ukrainian GTS? Well, well ...
                  Quote: 31231
                  Ukraine bought part of the gas volumes of European countries from its pipe

                  Keyword-BUY-caught? So what's the question?
              2. xan
                xan 8 February 2014 00: 12
                -2
                Quote: revnagan
                Yes, like two fingers on the asphalt. For "khazpopisyat" Russia bought the loyalty of the then Ukrainian government. The Ukrainian government sold gas to Europe at a much higher price. It put the difference in its pocket. And behaved quite brotherly

                What do you think this nonsense is for an explanation? Why do you need your cheap loyalty along with Russophobia? Did D.U.raka turn it on?
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 8 February 2014 14: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: xan
                  Why do you need your cheap loyalty along with Russophobia? Did D.U.raka turn it on?

                  So, there is nothing to cover, only emotions. I recognize the boor (sorry, Hana).
                  1. xan
                    xan 9 February 2014 23: 34
                    0
                    Quote: revnagan
                    So, there is nothing to cover, only emotions. I recognize the boor (sorry, Hana).

                    As I thought, there is no answer to the question about loyalty. There is a translation of the arrows. And there is no answer for a simple reason - it is shameful for Ukraine and its stupid policy. Well, you're a clown and a hypocrite.
                    Reading your comments, I understand that the level of GDP per capita you have achieved in Honduras is not the limit. You have something with brains there, apparently another branch of development "homo sapiens". You are a living example of the well-known saying "Russian loves to pretend to be a fool, and Ukrainian is clever" - in you, heredity just rushes out.
                    And inappropriately defecate in verbiage, here are smart people, thoughts are interesting, not brain rubbish.
        2. Bismark
          Bismark 7 February 2014 14: 40
          +1
          You are big and fat +. good Thank you for arranging everything on the shelves, I support all 100. soldier
          1. xan
            xan 7 February 2014 19: 05
            -2
            Quote: Bismark
            You are big and fat +. good Thank you for putting everything on the shelves, I support all 100. soldier

            If you are Ukrainian, then your pig joy is clear.
            and if Russian, then stupid.
            1. Bismark
              Bismark 10 February 2014 22: 41
              0
              xan
              To you dear "Russian" to another site. The fact that I am a Russian show my deeds, and the fact that you are the same nationalist as those on the Maidan can be seen already in your comment. I sincerely sympathize with you.
        3. Prosha
          Prosha 7 February 2014 19: 10
          -2
          revnagan Very accurate and Spartan capacious. good
      20. Arhj
        Arhj 7 February 2014 14: 18
        +3
        Quote: Romn
        I am for its division into 2 parts and further accession about the Russian to us,

        Perhaps that would be right. Tomorrow they will take money from someone else and will have to be divided into three, four, five parts. I myself would like to see the southeast as Russian. But I can’t forget about one thing. What will happen to the Russians, to the pro-Russian national minorities who will remain in that western part?
        Nevertheless, the policy of Russia should be aimed at reunification with the whole of Ukraine, and even with the brown plague, God willing, let us sort it out by joint efforts.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 7 February 2014 15: 11
          +3
          Quote: Arhj
          Nevertheless, Russia's policy should be aimed at reunification with the whole of Ukraine

          To do this, you need a little bit ..)))
          Restore socialism there and there.
      21. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 7 February 2014 14: 23
        0
        This can result in a real war, not the situation to cut off the shoulder. Here it is necessary to think, to think about how we can do all this without a roof.
      22. DEfindER
        DEfindER 7 February 2014 15: 17
        +5
        Quote: Romn
        Tell me why we support the integrity of this Ukraine, I am for its division into 2 parts and further accession about Russia to us

        Unfortunately, not everything is so simple, because and in western Ukraine there are many Russians, and even though the Nazis are a minority there, but in the event of separation they will come to power and arrange the genocide of the majority of the population, which means that a civil war will begin immediately, which we do not need at all. And all this Maidan is supported by a small part of the population, because Yanukovych won the election only thanks to promises to move towards Russia. Therefore, I am against the fact that they would throw their own in the west to tear to pieces these nonhumans ..
      23. vostok1982
        vostok1982 7 February 2014 18: 38
        +3
        I put a plus for I agree 100%. Horseradish with it, with Bandera - and New Russia and Little Russia should be with Russia! And propaganda is a temporary matter - today there is one propaganda, tomorrow another. Everyday business!
      24. Prosha
        Prosha 7 February 2014 18: 54
        +5
        Quote: Romn
        Frankly, like we say brotherly people, but people who lived and were born in the USSR remember this. But I was born in Russia and what I remember is a country that irrigates Russia with everything that is possible, I also remember such information that Ukrainians acted on the side of the militants in Chechnya, in the conflict with Georgia, Ukraine even supplied it with equipment, Ukraine sells technology China (to the detriment of Russia), the Ukrainian government is doing everything to prevent it from being established or, while worsening the situation of our fleet in the Crimea, is conducting anti-Russian propaganda. And what am I seeing here! ?? FRIEND? I tell you - NO! Why should I be nice to this country !? On vacation, I met with people from Ukraine, they correctly say, are divided into 2 types, for those who are for us and against. So what are we talking about !?

        Sorry, I’m sorry that I call it, probably because of my age — I’m 51. I am considered Russian, my wife is Russian, but our parents are half Russian and Ukrainian, she still lives there in Ukraine. And it is my responsibility to maintain its integrity, because if the division begins, then knowing the Slavic nature, there will be a war and such that WWII will turn out to be babble. I must say right away that there are such stupid people who think that Ukraine feeds everyone and everyone owes it, relatively few and they never solve anything, but are used blindly on the Maidan. Everything is not as simple as we are shown, the country has been in a fever for 40 years. In the end, people will take into account and understand that a bad world is better than war, but for this we need to poke Pts carefully there, otherwise it will turn out like in a joke when we began to separate our wife and husband. My opinion is that Ukraine is not lucky for leaders, there is no person who is able to take responsibility, albeit stupid, albeit stupid, but who is able to lead and ask, and most importantly make independent decisions.
      25. aleshka
        aleshka 7 February 2014 20: 39
        +1
        and what year of birth are you, if not secret ???
      26. siberalt
        siberalt 8 February 2014 02: 29
        +1
        Which Ukraine will return to us whole or in pieces, and whether it will return, is too early to judge and guess. Events can develop in the most unexpected ways. Yanukovych is now in Sochi. A good reason for negotiations with GDP. Now this meeting cannot be called a secret. There was a Yalta conference, now there will be a Sochi conference. In fact, the question of a new redistribution of Europe is being decided beforehand. Everything goes to that.
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      28. Yars
        Yars 8 February 2014 13: 15
        +2
        in Chechnya, there were radicals from the UNO UNO (controlled by Western structures), which the majority of Ukrainian citizens do not support! Against Russia there are only three regions and not all living there, and this is part of the people NOT half the population of Ukraine, it’s just an illusion that the Western media in Ukraine create!
    2. 31231
      31231 7 February 2014 22: 25
      0
      Yes, no one will keep Ukraine from bankruptcy, this is a matter of time. For twenty years of independence, nothing and nobody is dependent on Ukraine


      East and South I think it's easy to keep afloat. But the West, led by Kiev, have fun in Europe and are asked to eat.
  2. treskoed
    treskoed 7 February 2014 08: 47
    +13
    Yes, Ukraine made a choice ...

    And now it’s not possible to put the blame on MOSCKA.L.E. and J.I.d.o.!
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 7 February 2014 11: 17
      +8
      Quote: treskoed
      And now it’s not possible to put the blame on MOSCKA.L.E. and J.I.d.o.!
      --------- and so hotts !!!!! laughing
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 February 2014 11: 40
      +4
      Quote: treskoed
      And now it’s not possible to put the blame on MOSCKA.L.E. and J.I.d.o.!

      Not so easy ...
      Now Yanukovych faces a dilemma: who should be formally called upon to solve the political crisis in the country (which is a logical continuation of Ukraine’s choice between the EU and the CU).
      Ukraine will not be able to cope on its own - an endless mess in the center of Kiev is a confirmation of this.
      Acceptance of the requirements of the Euro-bandits and Amerov’s dyarmokraty will lead to the collapse of Ukraine.
      He will turn to Russia for help ... Here, it seems to me, the GDP has already explained to the Ukrainian president in person, what happened and what will happen, and he also issued his own version of the solution to the problem. Those. Yanukovych hesitates - to take another card (what if it’s too much?), Or continue the game with what is, although obviously, there are clearly not enough forces.
      One thing is clear - Ukraine will not exist in its previous form and conditions.
  3. Name
    Name 7 February 2014 08: 48
    +4
    "When you read analytics about Euromaidan and other events in Ukraine ..."and you think, WHERE IS THE TRUTH, but ...... belay wink wink
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 7 February 2014 09: 50
      +2
      There is a moment in the article: the author is optimistic arguing that the Ukrainian oligarchs will persuade Ukraine more quickly to Moscow than to the West. You cannot go to heaven with the devil! I would rather bet on the Ukrainian people than on the oligarchs.
    2. Gato
      Gato 7 February 2014 11: 40
      +6
      Quote: name
      WHERE THE SAME TRUTH

      Where and always lol
      Seeking the truth in the media is the same as choosing a wife in a brothel. laughing
      1. xan
        xan 7 February 2014 19: 12
        0
        Quote: Gato
        Seeking the truth in the media is the same as choosing a wife in a brothel

        wife from a brothel is better than the truth from the media
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 7 February 2014 22: 30
          0
          Quote: xan
          the brothel wife is better

          Well, you probably know better ... But why banish for this evil in public.
          1. xan
            xan 8 February 2014 00: 26
            -2
            Quote: revnagan
            Well, you probably know better ... But why banish for this evil in public.

            you don’t hang tags for me, alternatively gifted.
            Tell me why Russia should buy your loyalty for gas?
            Or how can a gladiator hide behind verbal diarrhea?
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 8 February 2014 14: 21
              +2
              Quote: xan
              Tell me why Russia should buy your loyalty for gas?

              Yes, hell knows. I don’t need to buy loyalty, I’m already for Russia, despite the presence of such individuals as you. Well, the loyalty of the Ukrainian government is probably not to be bought by someone else.
            2. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 8 February 2014 15: 04
              +2
              Quote: xan
              you don’t hang tags for me, alternatively gifted. Do you explain to me why Russia needs to buy your loyalty for gas? Or how can a gladiator hide behind verbal diarrhea?

              Yes, you are scared, Xana, like a Che, RT. And you act like black. That's all hiding from you. laughing
              So how to argue with id.i. otom is futile. Because it is necessary to fall on it, go. This level of thinking, and there he will crush with his experience and unprincipledness. Will have to go up to his level of unprincipledness, and this is already the road to degradation.
  4. igorra
    igorra 7 February 2014 08: 56
    +6
    There is pressure on the Ukrainian oligarchs, of course, and there is still a lot of bluff. If the European Union does confiscate some Ukrainian billions, then tomorrow it will be left without Russian, Kazakh, Indian, and God knows what! This is a very dangerous financial expropriation for Europe! Yeah, you still have not forgotten about Cyprus?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 7 February 2014 10: 02
      +3
      Cyprus was in the EU. There and so howling stood unmeasured. But everyone remembered the precedent, and its repetition will be another hole in the EU ship. As if to the bottom did not go ...
    2. Kolya
      Kolya 7 February 2014 10: 29
      0
      The West did everything to establish oligarchs throughout the post-Soviet space with the collapse of the Union. Oligarchs are easier to control, since the business of oligarchs is a raw materials business by definition, and economies of raw materials appendages of the West are formed at the same time. Oligarchs and corrupt authorities are the main accomplices of the West in Ukraine. And the West puts its paw only on the accounts of rebels such as Assad and Gaddafi, and only if the point of no return is passed. Yanukovych is trying to dodge the point of no return by promising Europe to "work" on the association. And we see it as sitting on two chairs.

      In Cyprus there was the usual "sheep shearing".
    3. ed65b
      ed65b 7 February 2014 11: 35
      +4
      Quote: igorra
      Yeah, you still have not forgotten about Cyprus?

      And the most interesting thing is that in Europe, after the events with the expropriation of Russian money, they came to the conclusion that not only the Russian money was not taken away, but that the Russians bought all the large banks at a cheap price. laughing
  5. igorra
    igorra 7 February 2014 08: 58
    +6
    "There is pressure on the Ukrainian oligarchs, of course, and there is still a lot of bluff. If the European Union really confiscates some Ukrainian billions, then tomorrow it will be left without Russian, Kazakh, Indian and even God knows what kind! This is a very dangerous financial expropriation for Europe!"
    Yeah, you still have not forgotten about Cyprus?
  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 7 February 2014 09: 10
    +10
    We can agree with Polish Tusk only on one thing: so far, our attention is really focused on how to hold the Olympics as dignified and beautiful as possible. Well, then you can start handing out luli to those who all this time clearly deserved them and diligently ran into them. Many of our "partners" will be hurt, offended, but enough is enough for everyone ...
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 February 2014 11: 50
      +2
      Quote: Stiletto
      while our attention is really focused on how to conduct the Olympics as dignified and beautiful as possible. Well, then you can begin to distribute lyuli to those who clearly deserved them all this time and diligently ran into them.

      The statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry, with a request to ALL belligerent parties to suspend hostilities for the period of the Olympics, makes sense not only in the historical context, but also the hint "We asked and warned you."
      And the bitter experience of 08.08.2008 taught that you must always be ready - both "before" and "during" and "after". Those. it is unlikely that thunder will suddenly break out on February 23-24.
  7. AnaBat
    AnaBat 7 February 2014 09: 13
    +3
    Judging by what is happening in the Ukrainian media and on the Maidan, the oligarchs are on the side of the embassy of the United States ... and for the coup in the country, otherwise they would not have allowed this chaos. I will never believe that the oligarchs with their influence could not solve these problems! I think it’s clear to everyone that they are there for hryvnia!
  8. ars_pro
    ars_pro 7 February 2014 09: 27
    +8
    In the camp of the enemy of the United States, Europe, it seems like a panic, a long time ago they didn’t have such sinks there, the chicken pecking a grain of wood and it seems time has come to collect pebbles. With Ukraine, it’s still not as straightforward as some analysts would like to see, as far as everything is clear, the USA and Europe themselves are not happy that they got into our swamp and are now thinking of how to make a good face with a bad game, at best Europe will even have a super prize in the form of western Ukraine, and it depends on their behavior, but to a greater extent probably from Putin and Yanukovych with the oligarchs, the question is how to technically merge western Ukraine and minimize losses due to a shecher, it seems to me that Galitsa and Bender they will not forgive the pogrom of Kiev, a matter of time. Regards from Kharkov
    1. Victor Kamenev
      7 February 2014 09: 53
      +2
      And hysteria in their camp. Nuland sent the European Union to ... three letters, this is the real place of the "Euroassociation" in the Ukrainian party. Ashton and the European Union are knocked down, and deep!
      Biden and Nuland are a strong couple, they are cranks to American politics in Ukraine, if they don’t call the old horses, Kissinger and Brzezinski.
    2. Gunsmith
      Gunsmith 7 February 2014 10: 02
      +2
      Yes, by and large, I did not see any real guarantees for the Ukrainian economy from geyropa and the United States - they simply do not exist. Distribution of humanitarian cookies and the words * hang on, guys, you and I * are all that was proposed * by the opposition Eram * on the Maidan. And, I forgot - grandmas from the US Embassy for the pogroms of their native country. Inexpensive, they value themselves there, funny salaries.
      1. domokl
        domokl 7 February 2014 11: 14
        0
        Quote: Gunsmith
        by and large, I never saw real guarantees for the Ukrainian economy from geyropa

        And no one gave them. EU is trying to play on a foreign field ... On Russian money. For most people not particularly concerned about the situation, the thesis of help from those to whom the country will join is a matter of course.
        And by the way, in many ways all these fighters for Ukraine have advanced ...
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus 7 February 2014 11: 37
      +3
      Quote: ars_pro
      With Ukraine, it’s still not as straightforward as some analysts would like to see, as far as everything is clear, the USA and Europe themselves are not happy that they got into our swamp and are now thinking of how to make a good face with a bad game, at best Europe awaits even a super prize in the form of western Ukraine

      I appreciate your optimism, but the reality is tougher. In the best case, the United States will have a super-prize in the form of the whole of Ukraine. Which will undergo a general "banderaisation" and will finally lose its sovereignty.
      To avoid this, one cannot hope for Putin’s wisdom or Yanukovych’s insight.
      "No one will give us deliverance:
      Neither god, nor king, nor hero "
      The salvation of Eastern Ukraine is only in the activity and self-organization of people. The results of the coup d'etat should not be accepted in Kharkov, Donetsk, Simferopol. You need to take a course towards federalization, and if the coup d'etat continues, then to secession of Eastern Ukraine.
      Otherwise, I'm afraid you will have to leave Kharkov ....
  9. maxbrov74
    maxbrov74 7 February 2014 09: 32
    +21
    Putin will not give up Ukraine. Especially its east and Crimea. May God calmly survive the Olympics, and then Russia will hardly care about the opinion of our European "potential partners".
    1. Onizuka teacher
      Onizuka teacher 7 February 2014 09: 44
      +3
      twenty spartans.
      1. DuraLexSedLex.
        DuraLexSedLex. 7 February 2014 11: 35
        +1
        These guys, the material from which their eggs are made is much stronger than the one from which their shields are made.
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    3. Kunar
      Kunar 7 February 2014 10: 21
      +1
      Exactly)))) They go "pig" ...
  10. Freemason
    Freemason 7 February 2014 09: 40
    +2
    Quote: Romn
    Frankly, like we say brotherly people, but people who lived and were born in the USSR remember this. But I was born in Russia and what I remember is a country that irrigates Russia with everything that is possible, I also remember such information that Ukrainians acted on the side of the militants in Chechnya, in the conflict with Georgia, Ukraine even supplied it with equipment, Ukraine sells technology China (to the detriment of Russia), the Ukrainian government is doing everything to prevent it from being established or, while worsening the situation of our fleet in the Crimea, is conducting anti-Russian propaganda. And what am I seeing here! ?? FRIEND? I tell you - NO! Why should I be nice to this country !? On vacation, I met people from Ukraine, they say it is right, they are divided into 2 type, those who are for us and against. So what are we talking about !? Tell me why we support the integrity of this Ukraine, I am for its division into 2 parts and further accession about the Russian to us, then the Black Sea fleet will be safe and people who are faithful to us in Ukraine will be safe and we will have territories! Otherwise, the whole Ukraine will not return to us, there is no need to torment illusions, everything will be exactly the same as now, 20 with more than years of propaganda and independence have done their job! Yes, and remember the story, Ukraine was not the whole and half of the people have always been against us, against Russia ... Here is my opinion! minus gentlemen ...

    I will support! But not completely. Yes, we were always poured with mud, but every time we remember all the "troubles of our fault", but still Ukraine is our brothers and sisters. Slightly lost and tired. For generations they have been cultivated against us. But these are our people and to turn away from them means to betray ourselves.
  11. mountain
    mountain 7 February 2014 09: 40
    0
    I think we don’t even know a bit about what is happening, the fight has grown into revenge. One thing I think, it would be more likely to end, but not all representatives of Ukraine and sympathizers noted at this event, so that everything is still possible ahead. ((((
    1. PPL
      PPL 7 February 2014 09: 55
      +1
      When you are fed up and do not need anything - you are not looking for enemies. They start looking for enemies when something is missing. First they look on the side, then in the inner circle.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 7 February 2014 10: 15
        0
        When you are fed up and do not need anything - you are not looking for enemies.

        Add: you start looking for enemies when you yourself are threatened.
  12. chernomor62
    chernomor62 7 February 2014 09: 43
    +4
    Quote: Hamul
    Is Russia sponsoring? YES!
    Europe sponsors? Yes!
    Is the US sponsoring? Yes!
    Even China began to sponsor Ukraine ...
    As you know, those who are not sponsored and live on their own money are independent - so from whom is Ukraine independent and strong?


    You know, independence is generally a very relative category ... regarding "sponsorship" - so you have to pay for everything, and you will have to pay with concessions, support, resources, opportunities, but you never know what else in the end ... incompetent and limited people negotiate from certain circles, but for some reason the people should answer and feel the pressure on themselves - we, people who have no "dividends" from "cooperation" ...
  13. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 7 February 2014 09: 48
    0
    Article minus. Analytics on the wave of the First Channel ... Too often wishful thinking is presented. Hurray-patriotism must be dosed, otherwise it develops into neglect of the enemy and hatred.
  14. igordok
    igordok 7 February 2014 09: 48
    +2
    Little scandal. The mattresses in a telephone conversation sent the EU about Ukraine to ..... Like let them instead of the EU, the UN will deal with Ukraine.
    The UN is a United States service dog. On whom it is necessary on that and I set.
  15. Onizuka teacher
    Onizuka teacher 7 February 2014 09: 48
    -13%
    Opinion of the people
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 7 February 2014 14: 37
      +4
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      Opinion of the people

      Kalka. Not the people of Ukraine came to the Maidan with pitchforks against the oligarchs. There was a Bandera spawn on the Maidan, ready to plunge Ukraine into chaos.
    2. alone
      alone 7 February 2014 21: 54
      +1
      Quote: Teacher Onizuka
      Opinion of the people


      The authorities opinion of the people to one place! it is everywhere like that.
  16. Wedmak
    Wedmak 7 February 2014 10: 00
    +3
    And Putin does not control Yanukovych, but opened him a loan only to calmly hold the Olympics in Sochi. This is the worst scenario for Ukraine, and then Yanukovych will be rewarded in full for his labors. Ukraine is just a pity ...

    Interesting version. If it turns out to be true, Ukraine will face a split. I don’t even worry about Crimea, South and East of Ukraine, they have already shown themselves and firmly said what they want and how they will act. But with the rest ... guys, you will be very, very bad. You have no economy, no resources, no industry, the EU does not need you, the United States you also didn’t fall, the Romanians and the company will simply tear you up. And God forbid that there would be no blood, the introduction of NATO troops or other massacres.
    If Putin doesn’t let Ukraine go, but I think he won’t let go, then the nationalists will have to flee to London urgently, and their henchmen in a hurry to hide in the woods. The first criminal cases have already been opened, then everything will be only incrementally. Bandera, run while whole!
  17. Makarov
    Makarov 7 February 2014 10: 09
    +2
    break through ....
    1. Gato
      Gato 7 February 2014 11: 45
      +2
      Quote: Makarov
      break through ....

      Where to?
  18. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 7 February 2014 10: 10
    +3
    I slightly disagree with the article. In fact, Janek got our oligarchs, or rather his son. And at first our oligarchs: both the Pinchuks and the Akhmetovs ... spoke in favor of a "peaceful Maidan". The same tyagnibok was not scary to them and the authorities - they themselves sponsored it in order to frighten the population. But as a result, extremist groups such as the "Right Sector" got out on the "Maidan" - here the oligarchs freaked out and shut up. These will destroy everything. The ears of the West and Petrukha stick out behind the right sector.
  19. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 7 February 2014 10: 13
    +1
    And in my opinion, in the case of Ukraine, there is, so to speak, a "Front without a front line", the financial capital which is trying to rule the world, it is international, it is not American, not Chinese, not Russian, it is not, it's just that they have a nest in America, but in fact they don't care about America, so in the case of the oligarchs, I would not say that they can transfer money from one place to another, etc., this hydra has spread its tentacles all over the world, their positions are also strong in Russia or China, as well as in Europe and the United States. While Russia takes a conformist position, they will turn a blind eye to all our actions, look, any tricks in the sphere of politics are not interested in the "financial hydra", it only sluggishly twitches its tentacles, but does not fuss too much, but as soon it comes to financial issues or, God forbid, about the independence or lack of independence of the Central Bank, that is, on the interests of the "hydra" itself, then it immediately falls upon the brave souls with all its might, with the corresponding howl of "independent media", financial instruments, and if ado and direct military intervention. Ukraine itself can become at least liberal-democratic with gays and CO encroaches on the "independence of the financial sphere" he is not interested in the "hydra", and if he is loyal, he can receive various handouts from the "hydra". That is when the communists came to power in October 1917, no one twitched while the concessions belonged and the country's finances were controlled by someone who does not understand, and it is quite possible that the same Lenin knew that he had a "mandate from the right people" and did not care about all sorts of interventionists, "crusades against communism", etc. For the same reason, any help to the White the movement was extremely sluggish and ineffective.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 February 2014 11: 59
      +3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      And in my opinion, in the case of Ukraine, there is, so to speak, a "Front without a front line", the financial capital which is trying to rule the world, it is international, it is not American, not Chinese, not Russian, it is not, it's just that they have a nest in America, they don't care about America.

      I agree, because in this case, Ukraine, as a huge sales market, fits perfectly into this concept. When the cream is skimmed, the "Black Sea belt of poverty" - Bulgaria-Romania-Moldova-Ukraine will appear.
  20. Kunar
    Kunar 7 February 2014 10: 15
    +11
    Yatsenyuk, Klichek and Co
  21. Fin
    Fin 7 February 2014 10: 19
    +2
    The most common is about the Ukrainian oligarchs, whom the EU allegedly "holds" for their billions in Western banks, and presses through them on President Yanukovych. The billionaires, it turns out, are “dumb”, according to satirist Mikhail Zadornov, and they store all their money in one or two western banks. That is, they are dumber than housewives, and they keep all their “eggs” in one basket. For the convenience of confiscation.

    IMHO. Without exception, all the capital acquired in the post-Soviet space is criminal and is kept in Western banks, assets are pledged against loans in the same place. And the fact that this is a lever of pressure on the oligarchs, and through them on the authorities, seems obvious to me. The entire banking sector is run by the families of the oldest oligarchs, who put in control of the presidents of states and determine the policies they need. The oligarchs simply do not have the opportunity to lay eggs. There is only one way - in your own country under an independent president, but in Ukraine tomorrow it is unknown who will come to power and
    a hard redistribution of property is inevitable, since the confrontation has come to bloodshed. They are frightened by the freezing of accounts in Europe, but if any Tyagnibok comes to power now, they will lose everything at all. Perhaps even freedom.

    No one will confiscate capital, they will simply freeze it until the origin is clarified, under the pretext of some anti-corruption law, and this is tantamount to ruin. If you want to paralyze the work of any enterprise - arrest the accounts by any fictitious court decision. All raider seizures start with this. GDP not just "advised" officials, state-owned companies and other wise capitalists to transfer assets to the Russian Federation. Moreover, there is an example with Cyprus. Therefore, the author underestimates the threat to the Ukrainian oligarchs.
    All events in the world occur for the sake of money and with their help. Who controls them and orders the music.
  22. morpogr
    morpogr 7 February 2014 10: 22
    +1
    Most likely he won’t let go, but if you even shake hands, I won’t be surprised that he secured himself and was tied to the foot of Ukraine as a rope and when the west of Ukraine flies down to free fall into the abyss on the way ahead of the poorest countries in Europe, the east will be tied to Russia by loans to enterprises that consist in cooperation with the military-industrial complex, and if federalization takes place, then the regions of the east and south of Ukraine will be able to get this money if they get more independence as part of Ukraine, especially in terms of financial (to leave income in your region developing your own economy and not feed benderlogs from the west), legislative (giving the Russian language the status of a state language) and foreign policy with a focus on Russia, followed by union by union or integration.
  23. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 7 February 2014 10: 31
    -4
    Zadolbali their Ukraine !!! Transfusion of water from empty to empty!
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 8 February 2014 01: 28
      -1
      Quote: Galich Kos
      Zadolbali their Ukraine !!! Transfusion of water from empty to empty!


      So don’t read. Or are they holding a gun at their temple?
  24. Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex 7 February 2014 10: 37
    +3
    Yanukovych needs to hold on to Putin - the Russians will never leave Ukrainians in trouble. But the Jesuits are not worth listening to. Jesuits are masters of lies! Only in your pocket!
    It is good that Yanukovych saw the threat in time and made the right decision before the summit in Vilnius. Slavs are not brainless slaves, as is commonly thought in the West. We must speak with the West on equal terms. Otherwise, they will not consider us anywhere for people.
    Even Lukashenko, the leader of a little Belarus, does not insult his voters and boldly answers Western attacks.
    My respect for the smart and visionary leaders and patriots of my people!
    1. Bumbik
      Bumbik 7 February 2014 15: 01
      +1
      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
      Yanukovych needs to hold on to Putin
      What place should a former convict grab at a former KGB officer and what can they have in common? Regarding Lukashenko, your awareness killed on the spot :)
  25. AnaBat
    AnaBat 7 February 2014 10: 49
    +1
    Yanuk apparently is not going to give up his positions:
    President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych replaced the head of the SBU counterintelligence department (removed Vasily Kholyavitsky, appointed Vladimir Bik), as well as a number of oblast USBU leaders (the Poltava chief was appointed to Cherkasy, Cherkasy to Lvov, and the Lviv and Volyn chiefs were simply removed). Experts believe: removes not justified his confidence and appoints more resolute.
  26. lukke
    lukke 7 February 2014 10: 52
    0
    Robert Gates, the former US Secretary of Defense, could not stand it, and in his memoirs he gave vent to anger and sarcasm, describing the architects of American politics with such excellent epithets as “hypocritical, stupid, rude, nasty and stupid”.

    I never doubted the military), especially when they are no longer in the service. Although in the service (without a microphone) it’s not a phrase, it’s a pearl.
    "The toast should be as short as a shot!"
  27. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 7 February 2014 10: 57
    +3
    A rather naive article in the style of "all is well beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well." The author is wishful thinking.
    For example, McFaul, a narrow specialist in the capital’s revolution, relying on the creative class, didn’t succeed; they send another who relies on terrorist groups of nationalists, or on the structure of the collapse of the economy. It is enough to push the right person to the decisive post and he will do everything. About the oligarchs. It is really hard to scare the arrest of accounts, but the obstacles to normal work and life abroad for family members and partners are more serious. I am sure that the first verification of the activities of the wife and children will bring them to court, and there they will either give normal terms or offer to cooperate. Or to sit in Ukraine all my life and travel to Russia for maximum merit, and arrest at the very first border crossing. Not for this they earn money, but for a quiet and luxurious life abroad for themselves and their family.
  28. Niki
    Niki 7 February 2014 11: 24
    0
    opened him a loan only in order to calmly hold the Olympics in Sochi. This is the worst scenario for Ukraine, and then Yanukovych will be rewarded in full for his labors. Ukraine is just a pity ...


    When Putin spoke to the EU, he was just voicing that ordinary citizens always suffer ...

    Only cynicism in the current situation is that the suffering has already begun and will not stop soon - throwing money into Ukraine through official channels will not have a quick effect anyway.
  29. Semenov
    Semenov 7 February 2014 11: 32
    0
    One capital of Ukraine is Lviv, the second is Moscow. These are objective facts. From here to begin.
    1. washi
      washi 7 February 2014 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: Semenov
      One capital of Ukraine is Lviv, the second is Moscow. These are objective facts. From here to begin.

      In this expression, either Lviv exchange for Washington, or Moscow to Kharkov
  30. ed65b
    ed65b 7 February 2014 11: 38
    0
    Good article to the author plus.
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    1. xan
      xan 7 February 2014 11: 47
      +1
      If not for the Maidan cops - Khan Ukraine yesterday!
  32. alex13-61
    alex13-61 7 February 2014 11: 46
    +1
    Quote: Witch
    We lost the war for the minds. Even educated people, by the age of 91, who have developed as individuals do not love us, hate and blame us for all troubles

    You are mistaken, unfortunately. Crimea, for example, is pro-Russian ... Ukraine de facto consists of at least 2 parts.
  33. HAM
    HAM 7 February 2014 11: 53
    +1
    QUOTE: When Ashton is talking to Yanukovych in Kiev, it may very well be that in reality she is already talking to Vladimir Vladimirovich.

    If it were in reality, she would have a much paler look.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 February 2014 12: 15
      +2
      Quote: HAM
      If it were in reality, she would have a much paler look.

      On the occasion of indigestion and permanent diarrhea at the same time ... laughing
  34. sinukvl
    sinukvl 7 February 2014 11: 57
    +6
    This is where the essence of Ukrainian statehood is expressed.

    In Munich, a burgher sits in the pub and the boys walk nearby. - Where are you guys from?

    - From Ukraine!

    - And what is this?

    - This is a great derzhava! We have a hymn, a coat of arms and a flag!

    - Where is it?

    - Donbass heard?

    - Yes, my father fought in 43. So this is Russia!

    - Did you hear Crimea?

    - Yes, my grandfather fought there in the 42nd. So this is Russia!

    - None, grandfather, this is great Ukraine!

    - And what is your language there?

    - At us, the grandfather, the most ancient mov - Ukrainian.

    - And how will the "leg" be on your move?

    - Leg.

    - And the "hand"?

    - Arm.

    - And the ass?

    - Fuck.

    “And for the sake of battle, did you come up with a hymn, a coat of arms and a flag ???”
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 7 February 2014 12: 50
      +1
      Vladislav! Thank you for the "positive", and the site that day is already seething with the heat of opinions in a vicious circle! wink
      1. Galich Kos
        Galich Kos 7 February 2014 13: 25
        +3
        Yes, "khokhlosrach" is in full swing am A funny joke!
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 7 February 2014 21: 08
      0
      Quote: sinukvl
      This is where the essence of Ukrainian statehood is expressed.


      Like this:
      1. alone
        alone 7 February 2014 21: 57
        0
        Quote: Karlsonn
        Like this:


        Here only the 4th option rolls. Three in one. laughing
  35. stroporez
    stroporez 7 February 2014 12: 25
    +5
    I don’t understand. What kind of "independence of Ukraine" can we talk about when Nuland and Pyatt openly discuss the composition of the Ukrainian government, and decide who belongs there and whom to send ............
  36. Irokez
    Irokez 7 February 2014 12: 40
    0
    I believe Wang who predicted that the Slavic peoples unite (Russia, Belarus and Ukraine) and everything will be fine. Maybe other Slavs will join them, and this is the majority of Europe. And Russia will be strong and strong, as opposed to non-Russians with its values ​​and way of life.
  37. chizhik
    chizhik 7 February 2014 13: 05
    +5
    Quote: Romn
    kind of say

    Good afternoon! I will say this, such Soviet Russophiles as I still need to look, five of my generations, and I among them, have built the pride of the COUNTRY at the shipyards of Nikolaev since tsarist times. Sevastopol became a native while serving in the USSR Navy. porridge on the Maidan all sober people unequivocally assessed the situation as trampling on our civil dignity before. The word Independence in the mouths of Dermocrats and Liberasts, believe me, is not the same for us ordinary citizens. I am very impressed by the attention of the Russians, your support and understanding of what is happening, but we are not engaged in the division, annexation, education, etc. of Russia .... US for ... but the SKOTSK attitude of the authorities (any) to their PEOPLE, there is no faith in anyone, and then you are Romn "like a brother, like not a brother", "like talking." Stop earning cons.
  38. domokl
    domokl 7 February 2014 13: 16
    0
    Quote: OPTR
    We see only a small part of the situation.

    To the point. The state and the person are somewhat different concepts ...
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    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 7 February 2014 13: 36
      +1
      Alexander hiWill it tell me why I can't go to the article "mazayka", does it display this message?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 7 February 2014 15: 39
        +3
        Quote: bomg.77
        Will it tell me why I can't go to the article "mazayka", does it display this message?

        And I have the same garbage.
        I pressed the button "at my own peril and risk" (what is life without VO? laughing )
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 7 February 2014 16: 14
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          And I have the same garbage.
          Ilyich welcome hi Notice that the site "Aksakal info" is being blocked there what , I already began to sin on our forum member)))
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          I pressed the button "at my own peril and risk" (what is life without VO?
          I also went through "at my own peril and risk", and then left even faster, just in case wassat
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 7 February 2014 16: 57
            +3
            Quote: bomg.77
            I also went through "at my own peril and risk", and then left even faster, just in case

            Hi Aleksey!
            I changed a little laughing , and then decided that let "Kaspersky" have a headache ...
            hi
            Yeah ... A thought flashed about Aksakal, but drove away like crazy.
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 7 February 2014 21: 10
            +1
            Quote: bomg.77
            Notice that the site "Aksakal info" is being blocked there


            exactly the same garbage was, by lunchtime "aksakal.info" disappeared. hi drinks
  39. siberalt
    siberalt 7 February 2014 13: 23
    +2
    "A solid carousel ... and racing in a vicious circle." Ukraine is not united since the moment of miscarriage in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. We need our own forester, who will ... throw everyone out of his hut.
  40. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 7 February 2014 13: 23
    0
    Great article! especially true:
    This specialist in orange coups is now leaving Moscow, and after him are forecasts about the future "Maidan" in Russia, they are pleased with their moronity. Even McFaul realized that there was nothing more to catch in Russia, and the cry of "Rain" was a farewell salute to him.
    But we will defend Ukraine! China today supported Russia and Ukraine in the struggle against these all the Maidan and their masters (and this is serious support)
    1. alone
      alone 7 February 2014 22: 00
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      Quote: MIKHAN
      This specialist in orange coups is now leaving Moscow, and after him are forecasts about the future "Maidan" in Russia, they are pleased with their moronity. Even McFaul realized that there was nothing more to catch in Russia, and the cry of "Rain" was a farewell salute to him.


      The one who didn’t live up to his expectations leaves, another comes instead. McFaul’s methods were known, but it’s not known how the new one will behave.
  41. bistrov.
    bistrov. 7 February 2014 13: 45
    +3
    Yes, the problem of dividing Ukraine into two parts has really ripened, probably for the better, since it will liberate two insurmountable enemies from each other: the Galician Bandera fascists and the Ukrainians of Little Russia, it would be nice to have done without blood.
  42. xomaNN
    xomaNN 7 February 2014 14: 05
    +4
    What the foreign puppeteers have succeeded in doing is in a systematic, year after year, introduction into a generation that is now 20-25 years of Russophobia on a subconscious cave level. It is these "eurotaboryane" who are the aggressive backbone of militants with lighters. Two weeks ago, in the center of Kiev, on the square, apart from any Bandera clumsy texts, I saw several posters and slogans insulting Russia, Putin and all "NOT the euro ..." I, a Russian living in Ukraine, are extremely unpleasant for this Galician imposition of their views on the rest of society And in the weak-willed figure of Yan, huddled in the far corner and sleeping, the cardboard verticality of the Ukrainian is visible. authorities. Moreover, the South-East would be ready to oppose its protest to the Galicians, the party functionaries of the PR are banal fear of any initiative of the masses, even of their electorate.
  43. vikov
    vikov 7 February 2014 14: 13
    -2
    Strange, you reason, talk about brotherhood from the position of parents, have you tried to apply similar methods to your actual brothers? wink on the Maidan there is a slogan: Russians and Ukrainians are blood brothers, but not slavery!
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 February 2014 15: 47
      +6
      Quote: vikov
      on the Maidan there is a slogan: Russians and Ukrainians are blood brothers, but not slavery!

      So on the Maidan ... On the fence, too, something is written, but not a fact that corresponds to reality.
  44. revnagan
    revnagan 7 February 2014 14: 31
    +1
    There is pressure on the Ukrainian oligarchs, of course, and there is still a lot of bluff. If the European Union does confiscate some Ukrainian billions, then tomorrow it will be left without Russian, Kazakh, Indian, and God knows what! This is a very dangerous financial expropriation for Europe!
    Well, yes, yes, events with the contributions of Gaddafi, Assad, Hussein have left banks without Russian, Kazakh, Indian, and God knows what billions! Such weak bluff in relation to the above persons.
  45. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 7 February 2014 14: 39
    +1
    Quote: bistrov.
    Yes, the problem of dividing Ukraine into two parts has really ripened, probably for the better, since it will liberate two insurmountable enemies from each other: the Galician Bandera fascists and the Ukrainians of Little Russia, it would be nice to have done without blood.

    After the partition of Ukraine, the blood will flow like a river .. Hope that Bandera will calm down and start working? They will go east (which the arrogant Saxons and their vassals are seeking) The Slavs must go to the West and drive all this evil from our borders, and the farther the better! Remember our common story and everything will fall into place.!
    1. xan
      xan 7 February 2014 19: 28
      -4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      After the partition of Ukraine, the blood will flow like a river .. Hope that Bandera will calm down and start working?

      Afraid of Bandera? If only there was no war? Well then they’ll put bandera, pissers on their neck.
  46. terrible
    terrible 7 February 2014 14: 47
    -3
    ) Ukraine is like a counterfeit coin, it will let you down at the right moment. The Ukrainians to us Russians are the same brothers as everyone else, that is, none. I personally have no relatives in Ukraine. I was there in adolescence, I did not like their attitude towards us. they seem to speak Russian, but you feel not at home, not in your own country. or were the children recouped on us? ) "come in large numbers from the hungry edge" "yes, you have some zones there" -that's what the Ukrainians told us.) referendum 91g "why should we feed beggar Russia", well, then the 1st Chechen where comes the type of "Caucasian prisoner" ... no, I have no illusions about the "brotherly people") if a war happens, I will be mercilessly wet!
  47. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 7 February 2014 15: 15
    +2
    What a glow, what a passion. Comrades, doesn’t it seem to you that these Internet battles about the fate and path of Ukraine are essentially meaningless ?! Your angry comments will not play absolutely any role (since these are just words, and the computer monitor will bear it all) and you will not decide which way to go to Ukraine. He is a fan of winter hats. He is a professor. He is like the president of Not Fallow, Boxer, Rabbit, Tyagnibok, a dozen local Deripasok and Abramovich will gather and decide which way to go, to be or not to be a country. Once again they will share what remains.
    Now Ukraine is driven by those who steer the Maidan. Regrettably, but a fact. The power caved in, backed off before the Bandera and nationalists. This is no longer power, so a miserable likeness! You are yelling about the need for help from Russia. Are you sure that this help is not a drink .... and it really will reach ordinary people? I'm not sure, and most of you probably too.
    In general, in my opinion, Ukraine is at an impasse and is drowning! Saving the drowning is 90% the business of the drowning!
  48. rocketman
    rocketman 7 February 2014 15: 27
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    How can an air regiment commander explain to pilots the losses in 08 from Ukrainian air defense systems taken from a database from near Kiev?

    You will say that fools generals did not take this threat into account when planning the operation, and you need to study hard so that this does not happen again.
    And the article in the same sense - everything is fine, our Ukraine, nothing needs to be done ... We must do it! and we must fight for the minds of ordinary Ukrainians. Otherwise, we will have what we have now!
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  50. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 7 February 2014 16: 47
    0
    When the gods decide to merge the state, they expose those figures who will be most successful in this. In the collapse of the USSR-Gorbachev, Yeltsin, in the collapse of the United States Obama and ... Putin.