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Russian military gingerbread is not for all allies to taste

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Russia may tighten policy towards its Central Asian allies in the CSTO. NG reported this to a military-diplomatic source in Moscow: “The withdrawal of US and NATO troops from Afghanistan is approaching, which means that the likelihood of instability exports to the Commonwealth territory is increasing. But our closest allies in collective defense admit border conflicts and do not fully strive to ensure security on the southern borders of the CIS. ” That is why, the source notes, in the coming days, Russian President Vladimir Putin, among other meetings with foreign leaders, plans to hold talks in Sochi with the presidents of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, Emomali Rakhmon and Almazbek Atambayev.


The point, it seems, is not only in the conflict between these countries. The Russian Foreign Ministry and the Ministry of Defense are concerned that a number of important agreements in the field of military cooperation with some Central Asian countries have not yet entered into force. And the measures of the military leadership of the Russian Federation, aimed at strengthening the defense capability of the region, are to a certain extent being inhibited here all the time. For example, it was expected that during a recent visit to Tajikistan by First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, credentials will be exchanged to ratify the agreement between the two countries on the status of the 201 Russian base. What should testify to its entry into force. However, this did not happen, and in Dushanbe it was stated that the exchange of letters would occur after the ratification of all the “economic and migration agreements” of the Russian Federation and Tajikistan signed in 2012.

Moscow hopes that this misunderstanding will be eliminated during the upcoming meeting between Rahmon and Putin in Sochi. Although the question of the further use of the military infrastructure of Tajikistan by the Russian military is unlikely to be removed from the agenda. At present, complicated negotiations are continuing between Moscow and Dushanbe at the military-diplomatic level on the possibility of renting the Aini military airfield in Tajikistan, which the Russian Defense Ministry has already invested heavily in its development. This aspect is reflected in the agreement on the status of the 201st military base, and Rakhmon, as they say, will not get out of it. But the Tajik leadership is pushing for significant rents for Ayni. Meanwhile, Moscow has pledged to provide Dushanbe with free military assistance in the amount of $ 150-200 million. In addition, Tajik military specialists are trained on a preferential basis, and assistance is provided in conducting army maneuvers. But in Dushanbe, this seems to be taken for granted. Meanwhile, a military airfield close to the Tajik-Afghan border is very necessary for the Russian troops, and it is needed to protect Tajikistan. According to past experience, it was the military personnel of the former 201st Russian division who defended this border, and aviation cover was carried out from a civil airfield in Dushanbe.

Air cover in the Central Asian region today is provided by the Russian Air Force base in the Kyrgyz Kant. But it is far from a possible zone of struggle against illegal armed groups (including, probably, with the Taliban).

Although the combat power of "Kant" was already last year, according to information from the commander of the Second Air Force and Air Defense Command Viktor Sevostyanov, it was doubled. But, as the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu said the other day, the plans of the Ministry of Defense include further building up the combat potential of the base. According to the press service of the Central Military District, in the near future, a link of modernized Su-25CM attack aircraft will arrive in Kant. At the same time, Russia begins to implement large-scale military assistance to Kyrgyzstan. This assistance is estimated at billion dollars. This is quite a lot for Kyrgyzstan, but the republic’s leadership seems to be trying to sit on two chairs.

Kyrgyz President Atambayev, having achieved the withdrawal from Manas of the US military base, still leaves a large-scale foreign aviation presence in the country, including the US (as well as their allies). Experts express concerns about the possibility of their military intelligence. And this, of course, is not necessary for Russia. Apparently, in a conversation with his Kyrgyz counterpart, Vladimir Putin will address this problem. Russia is investing too much in strengthening the security of the region so that its interests are not taken into account.

At first glance, unlike Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, the military relations of Russia with Kazakhstan are no problem. In December last year, the countries signed an agreement on military-technical cooperation, providing for active mutually beneficial military-economic contacts. The next step is the implementation of the agreement on the creation of a unified regional air defense system of the two countries. But this document has not been ratified by Kazakhstan. The other day, Sergei Shoigu, at a meeting with his Kazakh counterpart Adilbek Dzhaksybekov, announced the gratuitous delivery of five C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems (ZRS) divisions to Kazakhstan.

But even then there were problems. According to Azattyk radio, in Kazakhstan they started talking about the fact that these complexes are not new and need to be repaired. If we recall, similar discontent was expressed in due time by the President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, when in 2007 – 2008 Russia gave the C-300 four divisions to the brotherly country for free. “The air defense complexes were presented, and the money for their restoration and maintenance would still have to be paid,” Lukashenka was outraged then. But I still forked, paid ... Of course, Kazakhstan will also have to fork out to modernize used Russian complexes. But still it is beneficial for the defense of the state. For example, five C-300 divisions, which the Russian Federation intended to supply to Iran under the contract, cost 800 million dollars. Modernization will be much cheaper, especially under an agreement on military-technical cooperation, it will be carried out at domestic prices, and training of Kazakhstani specialists will carried out free of charge.
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 8 February 2014 08: 28
    +19
    Yes, we need Central Asia, precisely, as a guarantor of peace.
    Another thing is what will it cost us?
    - Under the management of unlimited quotas for migrant workers?
    Or sponsorship of the Asian economy? -But it’s without maz-there everyone will be stolen, faster than in the PMR under the last president.
    I do not think that they will blackmail us, like Ukraine (this is generally chaos).
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 8 February 2014 08: 35
      +5
      Quote: mirag2
      Yes, we need Central Asia, precisely, as a guarantor of peace.
      Another thing is what will it cost us?

      Yes, that’s the most interesting thing, not the opinions
      The President of Kyrgyzstan Atambayev, having achieved the withdrawal of the US military base from Manas, nevertheless leaves a large-scale foreign military presence in the country, including the US (as well as their allies). Experts express concerns about the possibility of military intelligence

      Russia may tighten its policy on its Central Asian CSTO allies. This was reported to NG by a military diplomatic source in Moscow:

      Like word of mouth, someone told someone about something.
    2. invisibility
      invisibility 8 February 2014 08: 59
      +21
      Russia may tighten its policy on its Central Asian CSTO allies.
      It is high time! And as banal as it sounds, for their own good!
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 8 February 2014 11: 00
        +9
        It's time to stop giving help to everyone. Enough of Russia to be a cash cow for everyone.
        It is necessary to help profitably for oneself, so that later "friends for life" do not turn away from us and, moreover, do not become enemies of Russia, as it was during the collapse of the USSR.
        The assistance should be beneficial primarily to Russia for the strategic policy and economy of Russia, not to the Russian oligarchs, most of whom are compradors, but to the Russian state.
        In the end, the Russians will learn from their mistakes, or we’ll fill up our bumps by stepping on the same rake.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 8 February 2014 11: 46
          +12
          Quote: vladimirZ
          In the end, the Russians will learn from their mistakes, or we’ll fill up our bumps by stepping on the same rake.

          Last spring, I mentioned that the events of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX showed the toothlessness, at least, of the leaders of the CSTO member states. For some reason, the allies decided that the Russian-Georgian conflict was a purely Russian-Georgian showdown, and reminded of a parody of the song "Bravely we are) Russia), we will go into battle - and we (allies) follow you. yes ...
          The absence of ratification decisions on agreements only emphasizes this position. In this case, the precedent of 1939 suggests itself - the introduction of the Red Army units in the Baltic countries ...
          It also remains hopeful that the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh will be settled. And here the solution is seen only in the de-militarization of the region (recall the Abo-Alad archipelago)
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 8 February 2014 15: 16
          0
          Quote: vladimirZ
          It's time to stop giving help to everyone. Enough of Russia to be a cash cow for everyone.

          Are there many friends in the USA? Judging by how much money they spend on supporting various regimes, they are loved around the world, especially in the Arab world ... And they will never turn their backs on the states when they stop supporting them. Or look away?
          If you follow your logic, then Americans do not know how to invest money with profit.
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 8 February 2014 16: 43
            +4
            Unlike us, the United States does not help for nothing. All over the world, the United States has deployed its military bases in countries that it is "helped" by strong American government lobbies, "tame" presidents sponsored by the United States and pursuing the policies Americans need, part of the profitable economic sector in these countries is transferred to American campaigns.
            Where this does not exist, there is no American "help" either.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 9 February 2014 15: 04
              +3
              And we mean donating help? Why do you think we need influence in Central Asia? Is it only to protect oneself from radical Islamists? But for this, you can simply cover the borders with minefields and close the entrance. But if we withdraw, China and the West will remain in Central Asia, i.e. USA + Europe. And if China does not bother us much, we are not dependent on gas exports to China, then Europe is a completely different caliber. If Europeans convince middle Asians and Azerbaijan to revive Nabucco and fill it with gas, then the volume of gas purchased from us will decrease. Due to the different costs, Central Asian gas is much cheaper, therefore, the price of gas will fall. And the drop in prices is not even%, but only 1 dollar per one thousand cubic meters will lead to losses of more than 100 million dollars a year. And if the price drops $ 10 or more? As a result, the total losses from the reduction in gas exports and falling prices, taking into account the cost, will amount to tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars.
              But, in your opinion, I would directly say - to the narrow-minded opinion of the average man - we just support the states of Central Asia.

              And with the profitable sector, too, everything is in order, our companies operate in Central Asia.
              And we had military bases. all over the world. We ourselves left there. Because they did not want to pay. And the Americans provide assistance, including gratuitous, and pay huge money for the rental of military bases. They have a machine, they are more generous. In the meantime, generous people have loot, they have many friends. But as the dough does not become, so friendship ends. Look, even Egypt refused their friendship, reminiscent of the content and even the money did not help.
          2. CHILD
            CHILD 9 February 2014 18: 02
            0
            it is obvious that American bases are more likely a means of controlling and protecting their investments))))))
      2. AVV
        AVV 8 February 2014 23: 16
        +1
        Quote: invisible
        Russia may tighten its policy on its Central Asian CSTO allies.
        It is high time! And as banal as it sounds, for their own good!

        And then these Asians are used to bargaining, on business and without work, if you expel Amer from Kyrgyzstan, then drive him out completely !!! Where America once came, it needs to be burned out from there with sulfuric acid, otherwise it still leaves its larvae as a parasite !!!
    3. monolit55
      monolit55 8 February 2014 11: 36
      +2
      I fully agree about Ukraine and guest workers
    4. avg
      avg 8 February 2014 12: 26
      +4
      Quote: mirag2
      I do not think that they will blackmail us, like Ukraine (this is generally chaos).

      It is enough to check for lice the Tajik and Kyrgyz "elite puppies", all these children, grandchildren and nephews living and studying in Moscow, as well as apartments, deposits and other property of their high-ranking relatives. Any issue will be resolved as soon as possible. yes
    5. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 8 February 2014 13: 26
      +5
      Quote: mirag2
      Yes, we need Central Asia, precisely, as a guarantor of peace.
      Another thing is what will it cost us?

      Central Asia, this is a black hole.
      To control it, it will be necessary every year more and more resources. And the time will come when the question will become acute: why?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 8 February 2014 14: 27
        +5
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        question: why?

        The other day we were arguing with Aksakal, who asked "Who called the Russians to Central Asia?"
        If in the 19th century it was the "Great Game" with Great Britain, today it is no-man's-land, from a military-political point of view, territories.
        Killing the Mujahideen from the Pamir mountains will not be easier than in the Caucasus or Afghanistan.
      2. Kasym
        Kasym 8 February 2014 19: 02
        +9
        Vovka Levka, if CA is a black hole, then Ukraine then who? As much as the Russian Federation helps Ukraine, the Central Asian countries have never dreamed of. But it's not that .
        The Russian Federation already has a huge influence on the Central Asian countries. If the Ukrainians, Moldovans, Balts can "migrant workers" in the west. That Uzbeks, Tajiks and Kyrgyz do not go further than the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan (massively, by the way, the Republic of Kazakhstan has reduced the quota for migrant workers by 40 thousand for this year).
        Due to the economic blockade by Uzbekistan, Tajiks will continue to be "subsidized". It's unavoidable . Therefore, Rahmon will wag his tail in front of someone who can give money or what can be used to "make" it.
        Because of their revolutions, the Kyrgyz people will be forced to seek subsidies and loans for a long time to come.
        Uzbeks are self-sufficient. In general, all 3 republics with a competent approach can be economically (judging by natural wealth) self-sufficient. BUT FULLY MAY BE DISCOVERED ONLY UNDER COMBINING EFFORTS (INTEGRATIONS). Just one question on WATER what is worth.
        In fact, all the countries of Central Asia look at Russia as at ARBITRA. But Russia itself is somehow in no hurry to take on this role.
        I don't know about the others. But personally, I am very pleased with the creation of a UNITED air defense system and the transfer of the S-300 to us. For which I am grateful to Russia. Many simply do not understand that integration and the creation of a new UNION is strengthening the independence and sovereignty of each participant through STRENGTHENING SECURITY, and in terms of increasing the overall economy, we are becoming more INDEPENDENT from imports (for example, food self-sufficiency - I think that it is much easier to do this by joint efforts). And I do not understand at all when someone starts to "whine" about "old or used", these people do not understand anything about this technique at all. It's not a car. Upgrade and buy new missiles. You will get an even better complex. And "they don't look a gift horse in the mouth." hi
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 9 February 2014 14: 43
          +6
          Quote: Kasym
          Vovka Levka, if CA is a black hole, then Ukraine then who? As much as the Russian Federation helps Ukraine, the Central Asian countries have never dreamed of. But it's not that .
          The Russian Federation already has a huge influence on the Central Asian countries. If the Ukrainians, Moldovans, Balts can "migrant workers" in the west. That Uzbeks, Tajiks and Kyrgyz do not go further than the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan (massively, by the way, the Republic of Kazakhstan has reduced the quota for migrant workers by 40 thousand for this year).
          Due to the economic blockade by Uzbekistan, Tajiks will continue to be "subsidized". It's unavoidable . Therefore, Rahmon will wag his tail in front of someone who can give money or what can be used to "make" it.
          Because of their revolutions, the Kyrgyz people will be forced to seek subsidies and loans for a long time to come.
          Uzbeks are self-sufficient. In general, all 3 republics with a competent approach can be economically (judging by natural wealth) self-sufficient. BUT FULLY MAY BE DISCOVERED ONLY UNDER COMBINING EFFORTS (INTEGRATIONS). Just one question on WATER what is worth.
          In fact, all the countries of Central Asia look at Russia as at ARBITRA. But Russia itself is somehow in no hurry to take on this role.
          I don't know about the others. But personally, I am very pleased with the creation of a UNITED air defense system and the transfer of the S-300 to us. For which I am grateful to Russia. Many simply do not understand that integration and the creation of a new UNION is strengthening the independence and sovereignty of each participant through STRENGTHENING SECURITY, and in terms of increasing the overall economy, we are becoming more INDEPENDENT from imports (for example, food self-sufficiency - I think that it is much easier to do this by joint efforts). And I do not understand at all when someone starts to "whine" about "old or used", these people do not understand anything about this technique at all. It's not a car. Upgrade and buy new missiles. You will get an even better complex. And "they don't look a gift horse in the mouth." hi

          I apologize for not immediately responding, but my rating is such that they do not give much comment. But that's not the point.
          What you say is theory and wishes. But the reality is different. And every year more and more resources will be needed. If Central Asia was only one problem, then this could be put up with. But this is not so.
          There is such a rule in the strategy: If you protect everything, then you lose everything.
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 10 February 2014 16: 43
          0
          I do not want to offend the Kazakh brothers, but your post is one of not many that I agree with among KZ comments!
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 8 February 2014 08: 31
    +8
    "It was announced in Dushanbe that the exchange of letters will take place after the ratification of all" economic and migration agreements "between the Russian Federation and Tajikistan,"
    here it is, mykhalych. Tajikist blackmail us. and then come running again, save? East is a delicate matter. and where it is thin, there it breaks. after all request
  3. samoletil18
    samoletil18 8 February 2014 08: 49
    +11
    But in Dushanbe, this seems to be taken for granted
    Maybe for a start it is worth starting every train and plane from Tajikistan with an addiction? And the account for each extradited illegal should be included in the lease of objects, and for money transfers outside the Russian Federation to make it mandatory to have a certificate in the form 2NDFL, etc.? To make it clear to Rakhmonov that with Chinese support he will not sit in his place for a long time, because he will be exchanged for a more honest and adequate president’s requests, for money is a pity.
  4. Humpty
    Humpty 8 February 2014 09: 48
    +5
    Russia and so the Kyrgyz and Tajiks are partially supported by preferential supplies of fuels and lubricants. Everything is not enough for them, all give and give. Let them throw a hose from China and buy "cheaper".
    "As reported by Azattyk radio, in Kazakhstan they started talking about the fact that these complexes are not new and require repair."
    God gives a sore for the hassle.
  5. Fin
    Fin 8 February 2014 09: 48
    +4
    Extortion, blackmail are normal for the Bahas of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, one can say a national trait. And why not poor Kazakhstan showing off? All the same, they will not be given new ones, so far they themselves have little.
    1. Yerlan
      Yerlan 9 February 2014 09: 30
      +2
      Kazakhstan is not showing off!
      "According to Radio Azattyk" this is a "radio" in Kazakhstan, an analogue of your channel "Dozhd", and a quote "in Kazakhstan they started talking about the fact that these complexes are not new and require repair" from the series "One Babka Said" and believe such stuffing is not necessary!
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 9 February 2014 13: 38
        +3
        This is not one grandmother said, but Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Antonov.
  6. alex-cn
    alex-cn 8 February 2014 09: 48
    +7
    As they milked the USSR so now, they are trying to milk Russia ... But no friendship is friendship - and money is now - apart.
  7. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 8 February 2014 09: 59
    -8
    Quote: alex-cn
    As they milked the USSR so now, they are trying to milk Russia ... But no friendship is friendship - and money is now - apart.

    Then we must part with Central Asia.
    Nothing to take from her ...
    1. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 8 February 2014 12: 20
      -1
      Quote: Sergey S.
      Then we must part with Central Asia.

      THIS IS CORRECTLY LONG TIME THEIR ON ......... SEND ONCE AND ALWAYS
      1. hommer
        hommer 9 February 2014 01: 52
        +3
        Quote: Veteran Vlad.
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Then we must part with Central Asia.
        THIS IS CORRECTLY LONG TIME THEIR ON ......... SEND ONCE AND ALWAYS


        TRYING! Send everyone !!! TRYING!
        And there will be only two allies in Russia! LATERAL !!!
        Who do you work for?
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 8 February 2014 15: 46
      +4
      The Americans are just waiting for this - Bayonet in our belly. fool
  8. siberalt
    siberalt 8 February 2014 10: 11
    +12
    invisibility:
    "Russia will probably tighten its policy towards its Central Asian allies in the CSTO. It's high time!"

    It's time to put your government there. And then we are all liberal.
  9. iulai
    iulai 8 February 2014 10: 35
    +2
    We must say goodbye to these friends, and mine the borders. It will be cheaper and more reliable.
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 10 February 2014 09: 50
      -2
      It is high time! 3 million will be happy!
  10. UzRus
    UzRus 8 February 2014 11: 00
    +4
    Russia may tighten its policy on its Central Asian CSTO allies. - Cho, finally got it?
    1. Veteran Vlad.
      Veteran Vlad. 8 February 2014 12: 22
      -7
      Quote: UzRus
      Cho, finally got it?

      I doubt the compradors and the colonial administration of the KREMLIN all are FUR
  11. creak
    creak 8 February 2014 11: 20
    +11
    It’s necessary to stop entertaining ourselves with illusions for a long time - in the case of a serious conflict, there is no hope for the Tajik and Kyrgyz armies — in the best case they will flee, in the worst they will go over to the enemy’s side along with the weapons that we continue to drive there ... And is it really possible to seriously talk about that some of the states belonging to the CSTO, except Russia, will get involved in the conflict in Central Asia (especially Belarus, what did it forget there?) Our leadership should not take it for granted - we really have reliable allies in Central Asia, unfortunately , no...
    1. Yerlan
      Yerlan 9 February 2014 09: 33
      +5
      Sorry, but Kazakhstan is not an ally to you?
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 9 February 2014 17: 07
        0
        Our border with Kazakhstan is friendly! Yes, and the conditional border, they are to us, we are to them!
        I put bold + Yerlan! drinks
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 9 February 2014 17: 43
          -1
          Quote: Siberia 9444
          Yes, and the border is conditional

          No conventional, common as with all others, state borders between two independent countries.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 10 February 2014 16: 40
            0
            Well, often VISAS are still practiced, if that !!!
  12. wanderer
    wanderer 8 February 2014 11: 38
    -1
    All this resembles a famous saying about a fish and some organ known to all.
    That's just the fish need to be made smaller, and this organ is larger.
  13. Vlad7461
    Vlad7461 8 February 2014 12: 04
    +5
    Accustomed to being a naughty man in the USSR, they remain so.
  14. Nitarius
    Nitarius 8 February 2014 12: 14
    +3
    Know the example of Ukraine did not inspire them to think the head!
    they can’t understand --- WHAT THE USA EVEN THE GERMANS DOESN'T LAUNCH ON THEIR BASES .. .Although it seems like friends
    and these, and LEARNING NOT PUSH!
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  16. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 8 February 2014 12: 39
    +2
    <<< The Russian Foreign Ministry and the Ministry of Defense are concerned that a number of important agreements in the field of military cooperation with some Central Asian countries have not yet entered into force. And the measures of the military leadership of the Russian Federation aimed at strengthening the defense capability of the region, to a certain extent, are always inhibited here. >>>
    It is understandable! That in Soviet times the leaders of the republics of this region were dependents - they constantly asked for subsidies from the center. The same policy continues now, only adjusted for "independence" and the triumph of "market" relations: ready to sell anything to anyone, just pay! Since today there is, if I may say so, the possibility of a military presence and the creation of bases, the leadership of the republics strives to get from Russia as much as they can "squeeze" out of it, without stopping before outright blackmail, and this despite the fact that that the very existence of this leadership depends on the support of Russia! And this "blackmail" will continue! The way out is either to firmly and decisively convey, finally, to this leadership that the military presence of Russia there, first of all, is in HIS interests, or to "promote" the strengthening of influence in the republics of circles advocating a real alliance with Russia!
  17. alex-cn
    alex-cn 8 February 2014 12: 41
    0
    Throwing them completely is not a trace. When he presses them at the present, they themselves will come running. Only a conversation with them will be completely different.
  18. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 8 February 2014 13: 11
    +2
    In addition, training of Tajik military specialists is carried out on a preferential basis, assistance is being provided in conducting army maneuvers. But in Dushanbe, this seems to be taken for granted.

    They threatened to set themselves up gold toilets, and now again, someone has something and is obliged. Interesting. Created a separate state - please be kind and respond to the state. In addition to begging and khanating, more than anything else is not enough.
  19. konvalval
    konvalval 8 February 2014 13: 57
    -1
    We must remind them all of the Russian proverb: "They don't look a gift horse in the mouth." We got used to getting freebies from the Soviet "empire". They gained independence and now want to eat a fish and go to paradise on someone else's hump.
  20. Basarev
    Basarev 8 February 2014 14: 14
    +1
    Quote: alex-cn
    When really presses them

    Maybe we ourselves squeeze them?
  21. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 8 February 2014 14: 31
    +5
    The topic is not understood.
    There are two problems:
    1. Our allies have nothing but territory. So they are traded ...
    And if we do not buy, then not even the Chinese will settle on this territory ...
    2. Russia is not the USSR. Even in words, he cannot show rigidity. even more so to "friends".
    And we only have money for Central Asia.
    But there is still the Arctic, the Far East, European societies ...
    So bargaining .... guest workers lit up in exchange for political unions ...

    Russia will be able to apply ANY MEASURES only if we become richer.
    Conclusion:
    We have to work harder in the factories.
    And not to someone else’s uncle, but to his native state.
    ... and counteract the sale of industrial enterprises ...
  22. AnaBat
    AnaBat 8 February 2014 14: 51
    +1
    Meanwhile, Moscow has pledged to provide Dushanbe with free military assistance in the amount of $ 150-200 million. In addition, Tajik military specialists are trained on a preferential basis, and assistance is provided in conducting army maneuvers. But in Dushanbe, this seems to be taken for granted.


    During the union, we fed the Republic, and we feed the "countries" ... No thanks or please! These "countries" are milking us and it looks like they will be milked!
    1. AnaBat
      AnaBat 8 February 2014 17: 29
      0
      They’re also blackmailing us, don’t give the loot; Oh ... whether!
  23. scientist
    scientist 8 February 2014 15: 32
    -1
    Russia may tighten policy on its Central Asian CSTO allies
    It is high time to intervene in the settlement of not only cross-border conflicts, but also to develop a coordinated military-technical policy to ensure compatibility and effective use of forces and means. Is it really an example of one multi-vector ally Ukraine is not enough to understand that the security of the state cannot be in the hands of various clans, they will tear and plunder anyway.
    Kazakhstan started talking that these complexes are not new and require repair
    Moreover, it is completely incomprehensible where to get components for these complexes long discontinued? Where and how then to repair and upgrade them? Therefore, thoughts about cheese and mousetraps immediately arise.
  24. samoletil18
    samoletil18 8 February 2014 17: 47
    0
    And they can not make a color revolution with a pro-Russian bias?
  25. Power
    Power 8 February 2014 18: 15
    +1
    Yes, Wahhabis come to power and now our weapons are directed against us. Remember Chechnya.
  26. kpbrk
    kpbrk 8 February 2014 18: 34
    +1
    They are already here, you can pretend that we are defending the southern borders ...
  27. shelva
    shelva 8 February 2014 20: 04
    +3
    We do not need to protect them, but ourselves. Then it will be clear why we are paying them for the presence on their territories of our military bases and airfields.
    More than $ 100 million a year, Russia pays Ukraine for the existence of the Russian port city of Sevastopol on its land.
  28. homosum20
    homosum20 8 February 2014 20: 44
    +2
    The territories weakened by drugs grown in Afghanistan by our Central Asian allies (who do not want to defend themselves) will still come to us (with minimal effort). Dead (half-dead) territories occupied by our troops for free are a much better buffer than bases bought for fabulous money, outside of which we do not control the situation.
    To agree on medieval bays on reasonable terms is nonsense. The gap of eras.
  29. apollo
    apollo 9 February 2014 00: 17
    +1
    the guys are amazed not at the foresight of some of those present here, do not forget why the USSR was gone, lose our allies, get to us, and the ring narrows all the time ...
  30. Evkur
    Evkur 9 February 2014 03: 36
    +2
    The mistake of the USSR was that we Russians helped everyone - built roads, schools, nuclear power plants on the outskirts of borders (foreign republics), even Afghans, after the Americans invaded, remembered Soviet soldiers and engineers who built their civilization with a sense of joy, dignity and respect! And all because there was something to compare !!!! And now they whine !!!! And about the fact that it’s enough to feed and develop those who in case of trouble will get into the bushes !!! At our place, the Russian hinterland (village) lives millions without normal roads, hospitals, electricity !!! Yes, yes not everywhere it is !!!! But shopping centers with Chinese clothes were built like mushrooms. We raise our state and only then can we play foreign policy!
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 9 February 2014 14: 53
      0
      Quote: Evkur
      the fact that we Russians helped everyone
      not Russian, but the Soviet state and the Communists. Remember article 4 of the Constitution of the USSR-CPSU-leadership. And I direct force to the USSR.
    2. nurlangali
      nurlangali 10 February 2014 14: 27
      +1
      Quote: Evkur
      The mistake of the USSR was that we Russians helped everyone - built roads, schools, nuclear plants on the outskirts of borders (foreign republics)

      Nuclear stations say ... Nope not seen what
    3. nurlangali
      nurlangali 10 February 2014 14: 28
      -1
      Quote: Evkur
      The mistake of the USSR was that we Russians helped everyone - built roads, schools, nuclear plants on the outskirts of borders (foreign republics)

      Nuclear stations say ... Nope not seen what
  31. Clegg
    Clegg 9 February 2014 14: 25
    -2
    It is necessary to tighten the policy towards Russia in return, to expel them from Baikonur and close all their military training grounds. Exit TS, CSTO and the CIS.

    Let's see who sings how ...
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 9 February 2014 14: 30
      -2
      there are no patriots who can do this.
      1. Yerlan
        Yerlan 10 February 2014 11: 12
        +3
        God forbid from such "patriots"
    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 9 February 2014 23: 56
      +1
      Quote: Clegg

      Let's see who sings how ...
      From Baikonur, we will leave for Vostochny anyway, and the rest is unknown to anyone more important. Let's see who sings how ...
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 10 February 2014 09: 28
        -2
        Quote: Pushkar
        and the rest is unknown to anyone more important. Let's see who sings how ...

        The vehicle is certainly not beneficial to the Kazak Republic.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 10 February 2014 16: 34
          +1
          why would it suddenly?
          so join the EU, consider almost the neighbors !!! for a long time apparently you had no color revolutions there!
      2. Refugee from Kazakhstan
        Refugee from Kazakhstan 10 February 2014 09: 38
        -4
        1. The calculated orbit from the "Vostochny" is significantly different from the "Baikonur" (it is not for nothing that even Amerov's satellites are removed from it, as if they have nowhere to take them out)
        2. I wish you more proton heptyl on the black earth.
        3. Nobody sings under your tune for a long time (except Armenia from beyond the NKA, because it took someone else's)
    3. silver_roman
      silver_roman 10 February 2014 16: 37
      +2
      what did you smoke, uncle ??? or zombie too?
      make friends with syshya, der * ma slurp to the ears!
      Cossack version of liberalism before our eyes !!!!!!!!
      and don’t spare the minuses, brothers Kazakhs !!!
  32. redthreat
    redthreat 9 February 2014 16: 33
    +2
    A freebie corrupts.
  33. borys
    borys 9 February 2014 20: 36
    +1
    For SERGEY S.
    You are somewhat wrong in one question. Central Asian republics have
    past the territory there is much more useful. I will not list here, with
    If you wish, you will find it yourself. Or do you think that our ancestors are in the 19th
    century were dumber than us?
  34. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 9 February 2014 21: 10
    +1
    Quote: borys
    For SERGEY S.
    You are somewhat wrong in one question. Central Asian republics have
    past the territory there is much more useful. I will not list here, with
    If you wish, you will find it yourself. Or do you think that our ancestors are in the 19th
    century were dumber than us?

    God forbid.
    This is about our ancestors.

    Yes, indeed, in Central Asia there are minerals, cotton, and apples with melons.
    But even in the days of the USSR, Russians worked at factories and railways.

    And now, as much as we would not like, these republics will return to their own historical path of development.
    And no matter how hard we are, teaching students, ensuring familiarization with modern technologies, even offering Baikonur to share, to do something technically advanced in Central Asia, it will not work.

    I do not offend anyone. Every nation has strengths and weaknesses, and, most importantly, a way of life.
    Central Asia can be friendly, can be useful, but if there is no Russian (American, ...) directing current leadership, it will not be modern, will not be able to withstand external aggression, will not be capable of great achievements.

    It is for this reason that I wrote that the republics of Central Asia will draw money from Russia - to maintain the image of leaders.
    And we will have to give this money. otherwise ... Americans will print candy wrappers, and for candy wrappers they will buy the loyalty of local elites. And then the trouble ...
    1. Refugee from Kazakhstan
      Refugee from Kazakhstan 10 February 2014 09: 41
      -3
      I see all the good is obtained only with the hands of pale-faced, and stupid Indians are not capable of anything ?!
  35. beifall
    beifall 10 February 2014 09: 57
    -2
    Each s-300 has its own Matius Rust, which tore the vaunted air defense system like toilet paper!
    For every joint air defense system with the Russians there is a Swedish airplane that can easily drop toys over Minsk !!!!!!!!!
    It is good that we buy weapons from the Russians only 144 million bucks, it is necessary to reduce !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only western !!!!!!!!
  36. Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 10 February 2014 09: 59
    -3
    The Belarusian prime minister arrived in Kazakhstan in 2004 at the Rodina farm (who knows, he will understand) to see if the fur of the yard has reached, he says I will not go further! The delegation and the welcoming party are at a loss! He says "all agricultural machinery is German, why don't you take it from us?" The head of the ATC answers him: there you see a puddle of oil on the concrete - this is your 2002 Belarusian tractor, but not a drop under the Germans!
    Renome: the light did not converge on you and your BF, RF and Ukraine!
  37. Nikolaitch
    Nikolaitch 10 February 2014 13: 47
    +2
    Back in the 19th century, after visiting the states, Mendeleev wrote something like: "here they are only concerned with making money, we have nothing to learn from the West." Judging by the comments, there are heaps of diligent students in the West. When will we all get down to business together ?!
    1. sscha
      sscha 10 February 2014 16: 53
      +1
      If there was an opportunity, I would put a hundred pluses1 And the previous ones are not even a minus - they just have emotions. Look at what is happening in Croatia, which joined the EU 8 years ago? And Bulgaria, where are the electric bills more than twice the pension? Buy from the Germans - thereby supporting their economy, and yours will be bent with a copper basin! ... Look, compare, think ... hi
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  38. silver_roman
    silver_roman 10 February 2014 16: 33
    +1
    I don’t know how it really is, but after reading the article, one conclusion suggests itself once again: parasites and puppets !!!
    what the hell is friendship talking about when, for any reason, they are pulling money to the maximum from Russia ??? How can you hope for such? They are given the S-300, and they still twirl their nose. don’t look a gift horse in the mouth, comrades friends !!!!
  39. scientist
    scientist 11 February 2014 00: 28
    0
    Quote: silver_roman
    m and S-300 give, but they still twirl their nose. don’t look a gift horse in the mouth, comrades friends !!!!

    First, such a gift is more like a bribe, only on a national scale. The question is, for what?
    Second, Kazakhstan is an independent independent state, and such a gift is, at the very least, a discredit of the Kazakhstani authorities that are unable to independently provide their army with normal weapons. And for many, this is even an insult similar to a handout.
    ThirdlyThe S-300PS has long been removed from service in Russia, as well as from production and technical support. Surely they were stored for more than 10 years and now the question was about its decommissioning and disposal, but there were people in Kazakhstan who came up with the idea to unify all air defense and increase the number of S-300PS to a dozen. But just recently, a trial was held against Major General A. Buldeshov, who was sentenced to 8,5 years for the purchase of substandard spare parts for the S-300PS from a company that stole these parts from warehouses despite the fact that many of them have letters and have vulture. As usual, real thieves remained at large. So that,From the point of view of repair and subsequent technical support, it is better to carefully look at this present in the teeth and calculate what it will all result in. I am sure that in the end it will be much more profitable to buy a new VM or PMU2. Not to mention the fact that in their performance characteristics they are much superior to the old PS.
    The initiator of the creation of the vehicle was Kazakhstan, namely Nazarbayev. And it was not friendship for money, but the objective need for economic development. The proof is that many countries are reaching for the CU. Moreover, they are not forced by threats of color revolutions and bombing as it was in Yugoslavia. And the main opponents of the vehicle are the United States. The reason is understandable, this is a barbaric strategy of American world domination, based on the principle of divide and dominate.
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 11 February 2014 16: 50
      +1
      I agree with you on many points, BUT !!!
      1) all your assumptions are based on guesses about the bribe, etc. Therefore, we will not consider them and we cannot. Bribe - the question is raised too loudly. Su-27CM3 will be handed over to Belarus (if I'm not mistaken). Notice the su-35s.
      2) the military budget of Kazakhstan for 2011 - 1.2 - 1.3 billion dollars.
      Do you think that Kazakhstan can buy 10 S-300VM units (or similar) and keep within its budget when accounting for the remaining expenses ??? I doubt it very much.
      3) At the expense of friendship, I completely agree with you, but you won’t be full of friendship!
      I see pluses in this situation: Kazakhstan receives any air defense systems. For this, infrastructure will be prepared, etc. In the future, it is possible that these complexes will undergo modernization and replenish with other, more advanced models. Not all at once. In addition, staff will be trained during this time. I think after that we will move on to more serious complexes.

      In any case, no one can force Kazakhstan to use these s-300s. But as for me, it’s better than nothing.

      And if you already started the topic about the TS, then my opinion is as follows:
      all states included in the CU and subsequently in the EAC should be self-sufficient. Then they will be completely independent. The Russian Federation cannot disinterestedly give up the latest weapons, at least until our borders are completely covered, and look at our Far East ... China is also on the alert.
      To be honest, I do not see any ground for complaints at all. Sent - excellent, do not want to use - do not!
  40. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 11 February 2014 00: 29
    0
    Quote: Refugee from RK
    I see all the good is obtained only with the hands of pale-faced, and stupid Indians are not capable of anything ?!

    Do not be offended.
    And not the Russians came up with methods of using technical superiority for political purposes.

    Today, there is a situation in which all technical (military) progress is concentrated in about 10 countries in each area of ​​technology.
    For example:
    Nuclear energy: Russia, USA, China, Britain, France, Germany, Japan.
    Submarines: Russia, USA, Germany, Japan, France, Japan, Sweden, Britain, Italy.
    Tanks: Russia, USA, Germany, China, Japan, France, Ukraine.
    Diesels: Germany, Russia, Japan, USA, Denmark, Finland, China, ...

    So even many European countries are already turned off from world technological progress.

    It is this logic that underlies seemingly irrational actions, when Western "investors" buying an enterprise did not develop it for their own profit, but ruined it, losing their own funds. Their gain here is geopolitical.

    So think, think, think ...

    But Russia still hasn’t done that ...
    So we are losing economically after political events.
    But I hope the TRUTH breaks through
    VICTORY WILL BE OURS!
  41. beifall
    beifall 18 February 2014 16: 28
    0
    How far away are we from each other? How have they been in one hut for almost 200 years! We do not need Russian weapons! Negotiations on a unified air defense system lasted ............................... 6 years!
    We need to build schools, hospitals, and not to modernize the S-300, letting go of money! In December 2012, they received Mig-31 from a Russian plant in Rzhev after modernization, crashed in the first flight on April 27, 2013. The pilot died, you don’t give a damn, you are 143.1 million, and a million are under arms !!!!!!! !!!! Life is one sip of wheat, but only 17 million 165 thousand people are less of us!