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France and India can not agree on the supply of fighters

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Negotiations to conclude a multi-billion dollar contract for the supply of India 126 French fighters "Rafale" (Rafale) are delayed. This ITAR-TASS special correspondent has become known at the international exhibition of armaments DEFEXPO-2014.


According to representatives of the French delegation, the stumbling block is the issue of transferring licenses for the production of aircraft to the state-owned company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

According to the information received at the exhibition, bilateral negotiations did not lead to the resolution of the problems encountered and the deal is unlikely to be completed before the parliamentary elections scheduled for May 2014.

One of the problems hindering the signing of the contract is that, according to the position of the Indian Air Force, HAL must ensure that the delivery dates for the fighters are respected. Under the terms of the tender, 108 from 126 India purchased aircraft must be assembled at HAL plants. The Indian company, in turn, shifted the responsibility for meeting the deadlines to Dassault, which initially refused to help HAL solve this problem. However, according to sources in the Indian Air Force, HAL does not intend to assume responsibility and guarantee the performance of work by its subcontractors for the supply of auxiliary systems that include state-owned enterprises, including Bharat Electronics Limited (Bharat Electronics Ltd., BEL) .

In addition, a certain number of works of the parties to the contract has not yet been agreed, as the Indian side is seeking to expand its participation in the production of subsystems within the framework of licensed production. The French side said that HAL will have to master western technologies and certify its workshops, and therefore the share of India in the production of fighters can increase only as it develops.

The Indian Air Force, having repeatedly faced delays in deliveries from HAL, is very persistently demanding that the agreed deadlines be met. Delays in deliveries can adversely affect the capabilities of this type of troops. The Air Force has to look for a foreign-made fighter, as the program to build its own light combat aircraft to replace outdated MiG fighters is about 15 years behind the target.

The Indian Ministry of Defense reported that the delay in signing the contract had an impact on its value. Previously, it amounted to 11 billion dollars, and has now risen to 14 billion dollars, which is associated with inflation and the 20-percent depreciation of the Indian rupee against the US dollar over the past three years.

As part of the negotiations to reach an agreement, the Ministry of Defense of India established four subcommittees, the purpose of which was to finalize the terms of the deal with Dassault. Among them are subcommittees on production technology, offset, logistics and price negotiation.

Sources in the Ministry of Defense of India report that it is the position of the Indian Air Force on the timing of supply hinders negotiations.

Following the results of the first stage of the tender, the Rafale fighter was included in the short-list together with the Typhoon fighter produced by the Eurofighter consortium. The Russian MiG-35 fighter, the Swedish Gripen (Gripen) and the American F / A-18 and F-16 were eliminated after the technical evaluation phase.

After the flight tests and life cycle cost assessment, Rafale was selected for the lowest cost. Contract negotiations began at the beginning of 2012 with the goal of signing an agreement in the current fiscal year, which ends in March.

According to a number of Indian analysts, the Rafale fighter program, considered very important by the Ministry of Defense, has not received due attention from the military. Analysts believe that the current government avoids making decisions on such a large contract in connection with the upcoming elections.
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  1. Salamander
    Salamander 6 February 2014 10: 11
    +16
    Eh, Indians, would buy our Migi and Sushki - everything would be fine! But no, give me the "contraband" ...
    1. igor36
      igor36 6 February 2014 10: 36
      +11
      Yes, for Mig, this contract would be simply manna from heaven, but alas, the paddling pool was more convincing.
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 6 February 2014 10: 43
        +11
        Quote: igor36
        but alas, the paddlers were more convincing.
        Maybe it's all about culture, cow lovers have encouraged frog lovers
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 6 February 2014 11: 12
          +2
          Quote: evgenii67
          Maybe it's all about culture, cow lovers have encouraged frog lovers


          They have this love is very multidirectional))
          Hindus are afraid to touch the cows, and the French eat frogs)))

          And as I understand from the article, the Indians want to deliver on time from the HAL, but they require that some Indian components be used in these machines. Moreover, the Indian side does not want to bear responsibility for the delivery dates of the latter, but it requires the French to fulfill the agreements regardless of the reasons for the delays))
          1. evgenii67
            evgenii67 6 February 2014 11: 58
            +1
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            They have this love is very multidirectional))
            Hindus are afraid to touch the cows, and the French eat frogs)))

            The key word is "love")))
          2. Nayhas
            Nayhas 6 February 2014 12: 38
            +5
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            And as I understand from the article, the Indians want to deliver on time from the HAL, but they require that some Indian components be used in these machines. Moreover, the Indian side does not want to bear responsibility for the delivery dates of the latter, but it requires the French to fulfill the agreements regardless of the reasons for the delays))

            Not really. The Indian Air Force has more than once been burned at the HAL Corporation, failure to meet delivery deadlines and poor-quality products due to which Indian pilots die are all HAL Corporation. The development of the Tejas fighter, which has been going on endlessly and has eaten money many times more than planned, results in an incomprehensible aircraft with a 40% increase in cost, this is also HAL Corporation. Now she is going to shift all responsibility for her clumsy hands to the French, which they rightly do not want.
      2. Max_Damage
        Max_Damage 6 February 2014 13: 43
        0
        And I heard from Starikov the version that the Indians "chose" Rafal after they had a terrorist attack.
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 6 February 2014 13: 47
        +3
        Quote: igor36
        Yes, for Mig, this contract would be simply manna from heaven, but alas, the paddling pool was more convincing.


        It would be unconditional. Therefore, I did not get it.
      4. AVV
        AVV 6 February 2014 22: 57
        0
        Quote: igor36
        Yes, for Mig, this contract would be simply manna from heaven, but alas, the paddling pool was more convincing.

        More convincing in price, and not in aircraft capabilities, and the price increased as a result !!! The Chinese will have to include them in the tender !!! A joke !!! If ours were a little lower in price ??? Maybe they would have made the frogs ????
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 6 February 2014 10: 55
      +9
      That's where the ears of information grow that Indians are not happy with the cooperation with Russia to develop PAKFA ...
    3. avg
      avg 6 February 2014 11: 06
      +11
      Quote: Salamander
      Oh, Indians, would buy our MiGs and Dryers - everything would be fine!

      Nothing, the more their French "face on the countertop" tinker, the more pleasant it will be for ours to talk to them.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 6 February 2014 11: 26
      +4
      It seems that the French lobbyists were stronger. And the seller gives the price.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 6 February 2014 19: 38
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        It seems that the French lobbyists were stronger. And the seller gives the price.

        Well, the stage already turned out to be embarrassing, the price unnoticed so bounced. But the choice fell on the French most likely because of the desire to conduct differential purchases
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    6. Nayhas
      Nayhas 6 February 2014 12: 33
      +2
      Quote: Salamander
      Eh, Indians, would buy our Migi and Sushki - everything would be fine! But no, give me the "contraband" ...

      Frankly, you did not understand anything from what you read. What technologies for MiG-35 production would we transfer to them when we do not have our own expanded production?
    7. supertiger21
      supertiger21 6 February 2014 13: 01
      +5
      Quote: Salamander
      Eh, Indians, would buy our Migi and Sushki - everything would be fine! But no, give me the "contraband" ...


      Arguing a little wrong, India needs both a light and a heavy fighter. There is already a heavy one, it’s the Su-30MKI, produced since 2002, which has gained popularity among Indian pilots. And the light ones are the MiG-21, MiG-27, Jaguar, as well as several dozen Mirage -2000 and MiG-29. The Indians wanted to replace the aging equipment with a new generation 4+ or 4 ++ fighter. Our MiG-35 lost in the tender, for the most part because it was only a prototype in triplicate. Eurofighter and Rafal made their way to the finals. But Eurofighter lost for two reasons: 1) The price was too high compared to Rafal. 2) Hindus had no business with other planes of the European concern. Here the French plane won.
    8. alekseinew
      alekseinew 6 February 2014 16: 32
      0
      moreover, these blunt-cutters all technologies want to make free, a fish for them without oil
  2. Berimor 2
    Berimor 2 6 February 2014 10: 42
    +1
    If the price of our products had not initially included a "corruption premium", then in the issue of price and quality, our aircraft would have won. In the meantime, it's worth learning from your mistakes and putting things in order in the defense industry.
    1. GDP
      GDP 6 February 2014 11: 20
      +4
      in terms of price and quality, victory was so new, the price difference is almost double ...
      1. patsantre
        patsantre 6 February 2014 14: 56
        +1
        Yes, how can you know about the price, and ??? On the wiki, they are almost randomly written.
  3. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 6 February 2014 10: 47
    +5
    I don’t know about ours, but the paddlers know how to steam cheaply, and then cut the cheap coupons on spare parts
    1. SV
      SV 6 February 2014 19: 26
      0
      GDP RU Today, 11:20 ↑
      in terms of price and quality, victory was so new, the price difference is almost double ...

      Something is going on with the MIG ... the 29th of the last modifications in terms of its performance characteristics is not only not inferior, but in key parameters it surpasses its closest competitors, but in terms of sales it is greatly underestimated. One gets the feeling that a similar situation is being created intentionally, so knowing that Indians buy only serial models of equipment (well, with rare exceptions), ours put up for tender still the 35th, a heavy SU is involved in the tender of Brazil and of course loses, because The buyer is interested in a light fighter. And there are many such moments. It seems that MIGovtsev are deliberately drowned, cutting them off from contracts that allow solving many problems and reaching a new level / threw ship handing and modernization - so as not to die / ........
  4. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 6 February 2014 10: 54
    +8
    Quote: Berimor 2
    If the price of our products had not initially included a "corruption premium", then in the issue of price and quality, our aircraft would have won. In the meantime, it's worth learning from your mistakes and putting things in order in the defense industry.

    And you think Dassault does not lay this premium. You will read links to the Indian press. In my opinion, Rafal is currently the most unsuccessful aircraft in terms of sales. It has been produced for so many years, and still there is not a single real export contract, recently it was rolled by Arabs.
  5. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 6 February 2014 11: 23
    +3
    After flight tests and life cycle cost assessments, Rafal was selected for its lowest cost.

    This lesser cost to the Indians more than once comes around!
  6. Humpty
    Humpty 6 February 2014 11: 36
    +2
    Hindus are considered very experienced negotiators who always get their way. It seems that in the case of the Rafals themselves have been too smart.
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 6 February 2014 14: 42
      +1
      I don’t know. I talked with Indian firms in the mid-90s. Computers served in their office.
      Somehow their boss was late for a meeting where he was supposed to sign papers for payment. About 1.5 when he arrived he said he would compensate us for being late and wildly apologized. They had ethics. In short, we were satisfied.
      While he was not communicated with his Russian secretary.
      A young girl is friends with English. A strict dress code. In short coffee, cookies, as usual.
      I say we have no bosses, we would play games, but she was typing something on a computer.
      No says 2 comments do not get fired.
      She poured out a large plate of cookies in front of us and while she was talking she cruised from the computer to us, she pecked the cookie until she finished it all. recourse
      Well, it was probably someone to blame. smile
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  8. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 6 February 2014 11: 40
    +1
    And he’s nothing - frolic bully
    1. B_KypTke
      B_KypTke 6 February 2014 14: 16
      +2
      I didn’t see anything particularly frisky, sorry. And what agility can a plane surprise in our time, not being able to deflect the thrust vector? The only advantage that can not be taken away from rafal is the combat load (aerodynamic design + 2 SNECMA M88-2 turbofan) and traditionally good French avionics.
      1. aleksandrs95
        aleksandrs95 6 February 2014 16: 37
        +1
        I saw live the latest version of Rafal was impressive in speed and maneuverability, he doesn’t do our latest devices for a moment. The combat load is good, the electronics are more a matter of price that you can throw on the plane. If there were money, I would buy for pokatushek. But Su -35 is much better, and the main question is the price of operation, this is where it has disadvantages. Arabs take everything beautiful and good, but even put out their price issue, which is very rare, especially with them. I think the Indians were led to technology transfer and it seems to me that they’re lost over time. As for the MiG-35, I’ll just say its engines are only 8-10% better, which for modern technology is very small from the time of the beginning of the 80s. And it takes 5-7 years to work on them. we have no choice, we need next-level planes. Yes, I forgot, in truth, Rafal is in the middle class, and not a light fighter.
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 6 February 2014 14: 47
      +2
      Not a specialist, but I did not see anything interesting in piloting ... Some rotations around the longitudinal axis.
  9. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 February 2014 11: 42
    +13
    The choice of Raphal is generally clear. First, the Indians obviously do not want to put all their eggs in one basket. Secondly, the Rafal is a very good aircraft (I will not compare it with the MiG-35 since I do not know much about the MiG-35). Thirdly - no matter how good the MiG-35 is potentially - this aircraft exists only in prototypes, and the Rafal has been on the wing for a long time, production is fine-tuned. Fourthly - in my opinion France is the leader in "kickback" technologies in the supply of military equipment?
    But what is truly sad is that the failure of the rafals does not seem to mean a second chance for Mig. If the Indian Air Force requires deliveries urgently fainting, it is unlikely that they will believe in our ability to deliver Mig-35 deliveries on time
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    2. Bene valete
      Bene valete 6 February 2014 12: 28
      +3
      Speak absolutely right! Just add ... The whole world is buying real goods, not fairy tales. We will only see a flying model (at a parade or in a commercial) with an accompanying voice, such as Levitan, "and now we see the best in the world ...", etc., and tears of emotion immediately flow)))
    3. Nayhas
      Nayhas 6 February 2014 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Fourthly - in my opinion France is the leader in "kickback" technologies in the supply of military equipment?

      This is their tradition when trading with India.
      1. demel2
        demel2 6 February 2014 16: 57
        0
        Well, why only with India they forgot about the Mistral?
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 6 February 2014 17: 44
          0
          Quote: demel2
          Well, why only with India they forgot about the Mistral?

          Well, as if everyone understands that, yes, but there was no corruption scandal as such, but earlier in India they regularly appeared with the dismissal of senior officials.
          Can not our indispensable carve himself as a non-commissioned officer widow?
  10. Partizan
    Partizan 6 February 2014 12: 32
    +2
    Quote: evgenii67
    Quote: igor36
    but alas, the paddlers were more convincing.
    Maybe it's all about culture, cow lovers have encouraged frog lovers

    It's not about culture and not about frogs, it's all about money - who gave more to whom.
  11. Partizan
    Partizan 6 February 2014 12: 38
    +4
    Quote: And Us Rat
    And he’s nothing - frolic bully

    Oh! belay he also can fly ...
  12. samoletil18
    samoletil18 6 February 2014 12: 41
    0
    It's time to offer our MiG again.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 6 February 2014 13: 06
      +4
      Quote: samoletil18
      It's time to offer our MiG again.


      For starters, it’s better to have serial production in your Air Force. We already produce the Su-35 in series for ourselves, and MiG-35 apparently does not allow Poghosyan to produce it.
  13. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 6 February 2014 12: 48
    +2
    We must offer them joint design based on the Mig-35, let them insert any of their components, as long as they comply with GOST.
  14. Nayhas
    Nayhas 6 February 2014 12: 56
    +6
    It seems that many who read the article do not quite understand its meaning. The reason for the delay in the delivery of Rafaley in the HAL Corporation itself. Representatives of the corporation are well aware that the aircraft produced by it will be very different in quality from the aircraft delivered by Dasso, moreover, delivery times will be repeatedly disrupted, this is their thing. The Air Force leadership has repeatedly burned on this, having lost more than one plane and having buried more than one pilot, it requires guarantees of quality and terms. In order to avoid future troubles, HAL Corporation says that Dassault will be responsible for the quality and timing, which is somewhat strange, the Indians will do, and the French will be responsible for their crooked hands. The French from Dassault for the sake of preserving the contract seem to agree, but in this case they require that the implementation of the transferred technologies be carried out under their direct control during the certification of all stages of production, and they will also carry out quality control. And that makes sense, if I guarantee, then I have to control. This accordingly entails a rise in the price of the contract for which the Indians cannot go. Here is such a situevina.
    PS: The MiG-35 could not win under the terms of the competition due to the fact that it is impossible to transfer the production technology which simply does not exist ...
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 6 February 2014 13: 14
      +3
      I think that Rafal’s victory in the tender is somewhat random. Because in the final there were two Eurofighter fighters and Rafal himself. You can say that the French were just lucky, because Eurofighter is much more expensive (more than $ 120 million per unit). If Eurofighter is cheaper, I think that the French they could easily lose in the final. About MiG-35 the question is closed, the Indians didn’t take it, because it is not in the Syrian production, but in triplicate. But for 2 years the contract was not signed, therefore it is not a fact that India in general will buy fighter jets.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 6 February 2014 13: 31
        +4
        Quote: supertiger21
        We can say that the French were just lucky, since Eurofighter is much more expensive (more than $ 120 million per unit). If Eurofighter is cheaper, I think that the French could easily lose in the final.

        It is not only a matter of price. The Indian Air Force has been operating French aircraft for a long time. The Mirage 2000 is still in service, respectively, the nomenclature of ammunition on Rafal and Mirage 2000 intersects, moreover, experience with French aircraft engines already exists, no need to especially retrain, the same in electronics.
        And honestly, Rafal is better than Typhoon.
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 6 February 2014 15: 31
          +1
          Quote: Nayhas
          And honestly, Rafal is better than Typhoon.


          The first modifications of the Typhoon are undoubtedly inferior to the French aircraft. But the Typhoon Tranche 3 pulls on equal terms with Rafal, and in some ways surpasses it. The last modifications of the Typhoon are installed with UHT, and if this is added with PGO, then excellent maneuverability is obtained. The only significant minus of Eurofighter is the fact that until now he hasn’t had a radar with AFAR (Rafal has been installed since 2012). It is planned that they will be installed only from 2015.
    2. patsantre
      patsantre 6 February 2014 15: 01
      +1
      Perfectly explained, short and clear, better than the article itself wassat
    3. Fornit
      Fornit 6 February 2014 15: 28
      +1
      "This reminds me vaguely of the Indo-Pakistani incident ..." (C)

      Exactly like the preparation of Renault production in Tazograd ...
      And with the quality, it seems to me, and with the timing the same song will be.
      Rashia-Hindi = bhai, bhai !!!!
    4. orizonti
      orizonti 6 February 2014 15: 54
      +1
      Everything exists, the Mig-35 is the same Mig-29K that is being produced now, only with AFAR, its technology really wasn’t at the time of the tender, but most of the other participants didn’t have it either, only recently started to install AFAR on Rafal , on Efrofaytera and Grippen they still are not.

      And the AFAR technology was not due to the fact that there were some fundamental difficulties, but because there were no such radar orders, and no one would pass the AFAR technology to the Indians.
  15. Tiamat2702
    Tiamat2702 6 February 2014 13: 11
    +5
    Quote: Nayhas

    PS: The MiG-35 could not win under the terms of the competition due to the fact that it is impossible to transfer the production technology which simply does not exist ...


    Come on. In Lukhovitsy (where the Voblya River flows))) MiG-35s have long been ready to collect, only there are no orders. They were still preparing for an order from our Moscow Region, but it did not follow.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 6 February 2014 13: 35
      0
      Quote: Tiamat2702
      Come on. In Lukhovitsy (where the Voblya River flows))) MiG-35s have long been ready to collect, only there are no orders. They were still preparing for an order from our Moscow Region, but it did not follow.

      C'mon, is the rig ready and the process scheduled?
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 6 February 2014 14: 52
      +2
      Wobble is a river, not a curse)))
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  17. Tiamat2702
    Tiamat2702 6 February 2014 13: 24
    +1
    Quote: supertiger21
    I think that the victory of Rafal in the tender is somewhat random .....



    There is nothing random there, on the contrary, everything is logical. First off, Rafal is really good. Secondly, the Indians already had a positive experience of owning the results of the activities of Dassault in the form of Mirages.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 6 February 2014 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: Tiamat2702
      There is nothing random there, on the contrary, everything is logical.


      No, Rafal won for the most part due to the cheaper price.

      Quote: Tiamat2702
      First off, Rafal is really good.


      Very nice plane, who argues? request

      Quote: Tiamat2702
      Secondly, the Indians already had a positive experience of owning the results of the activities of Dassault in the form of Mirages.


      And this also influenced as a second factor besides the low price. But judge for yourself Eurofighter lost only because of these secondary parameters. And in terms of combat potential, it was no worse than the French car.
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  19. awg75
    awg75 6 February 2014 13: 45
    0
    bought a complete bullshit ... in addition, Europe in recent years has become a very unreliable partner - delivery times are growing simultaneously with quality and price. but I absolutely do not mind the Rajas let them receive and sign
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 6 February 2014 15: 04
      -2
      You have a poppycock in your head, a rafal is an excellent airplane, in many ways better than an instant, and most importantly it exists. And as Comrade Nayhas painted, the Indians came up with all the problems, or rather, created for themselves.
      1. SV
        SV 6 February 2014 19: 59
        0
        I read the reviews of the pilots who piloted both aircraft, the meaning of the words: it’s better to fly on Rafale, and to fight on the spot ... soldier
        1. patsantre
          patsantre 7 February 2014 00: 24
          0
          It seems like other cars were featured ...
  20. Max_Damage
    Max_Damage 6 February 2014 13: 46
    -4
    India was "persuaded" to buy Rafale with the help of terrorist attacks, otherwise they would have bought it.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 6 February 2014 15: 06
      +1
      fool Well, how can you think of such a nonsense? At least I would have bothered to carefully read the article and comments. Although reading and thought processes are obviously not for you.
  21. silver_roman
    silver_roman 6 February 2014 14: 37
    +1
    Well, of course, it was not without political background. In addition, India can be understood: market diversification.
    Still, the question is for specialists: and if you are not biased to compare the MiG-35 and Raffal? who is better than himself in the overall assessment of these complexes?
  22. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 6 February 2014 14: 44
    +3
    Quote: Kovrovsky
    After flight tests and life cycle cost assessments, Rafal was selected for its lowest cost.

    This lesser cost to the Indians more than once comes around!

    The French had already come around without any reason being lured by cheapness, and then calmly announced a price increase, and they even refused to transfer the technology, although this was stipulated in the conditions of the tender. Now for 126 cars from the Indians they demand 14 lards, totaling 111 million for the plane. Something tells me Mig would be clearly cheaper. If the contract went to the blink of an eye, today it would definitely fly and be on the assembly line. By the way, we have announced a price of 50-80 million for the T-90.
    1. demel2
      demel2 6 February 2014 17: 11
      +1
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      T-50 announced price in the region of 80-90 million

      It is not a fact that the declared price and the one that will be output coincide. Read about the corruption component.
  23. screw cutter
    screw cutter 6 February 2014 15: 03
    +3
    That's what you want to do with me, but I do not like him, at least purely externally.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 6 February 2014 15: 49
      +1
      Judging by the minus, someone is writing boiling water from Rafal, although I spoke about the appearance. And the question is for lovers of everything foreign, and can Rafal pancakes do? And what kind of figures does he have. Electronic equipment can be bought or stolen, how The Chinese, but avionics need to feel.
  24. Cherdak
    Cherdak 6 February 2014 15: 40
    +4
    "And nowhere, nowhere they can not get away from it,
    The night outside the window, on the radars only snow,
    MiG-35 with an early dawn dawn,
    The run starts towards Pakistan ... "


    Song of Indian pilots ★ almost Mikhail Boyarsky
    1. demel2
      demel2 6 February 2014 17: 14
      0
      No packs to the Hindus are no longer afraid of China, yes.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 6 February 2014 17: 59
        0
        Quote: demel2
        No packs to the Hindus are no longer afraid of China, yes.


        But China is going to buy a fighter from Russia, which is much worse than an instant and a mirage. There is talk of signing a contract for 48 Su-35s, or a smaller batch of 24 aircraft. Once again, I don’t understand why our authorities are selling advanced weapons to a potential enemy. But I hope that such a contract will not be signed.
        1. Fornit
          Fornit 6 February 2014 18: 13
          0
          Well, most likely because of the new engines ... They have an information hunger in the "copier" ...
  25. supertiger21
    supertiger21 6 February 2014 18: 30
    +1
    By the way, Dassault Aviation is the only European aircraft manufacturer that is not afraid to go against the interests of the United States. Unlike Eurofighter and Gripen, Rafal is a completely French fighter built independently of the United States and other NATO countries. Also interesting is the fact that Mirages are most often sold countries that are not allies of the United States (Iraq, Libya, India, Peru). Therefore, the Americans should not be surprised if their F / A-18E, F-15E, F-35A in likely conflicts will not only confront Sushi and Migi, but also Rafali.
  26. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 6 February 2014 18: 43
    0
    Why is the MiG-35 still not in the series? Everything is very simple: - because Poghosyan and Manturov are free. I read a lot of interesting things about Rafal, but "for the state", it is all the same offensive, maybe at the future Indian salon, something will change in our favor.
  27. voliador
    voliador 6 February 2014 20: 11
    0
    Yes, they simply don’t want to sell modern technology to the Indians.