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US Black Sea Squadron

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The glittering fire of the Olympiad is attracting more and more attention. This time, in the light of the torches, the masts and superstructures of unfamiliar ships began to shine. We were visited by the US Navy!

On February 5, the Navy press service confirmed information about the entry of American ships into the Black Sea. The sixth command ship was the first to sail through the Bosporus and Dardanelles fleet Mount Whitney. In the afternoon, the US Navy Taylor missile frigate joined him.

The ships of the Sixth Fleet are expected to keep watch in neutral waters off the coast of Greater Sochi until the end of February. But no more than three weeks from the moment of their entry into the Black Sea. These are the rules of stay for all warships of non-Black Sea states. Calls to the territorial waters of Russia are not planned. The official purpose of the visit is to provide security during the Sochi-2014 Games.

Unofficial purpose of the visit? No one will tell about it.

The Black Sea has a special status of the “inner sea”. Therefore, the Black Sea cruises of ships under the stars and stripes always cause a sharp reaction in Russian society, which considers such “visits” as a threat to their own security and an attempt to invade the sphere of Russia's original interests.

This time, the Americans have several reasons for a visit to the Black Sea.

Ensuring the safety of the US Olympic team is an important and responsible task. But how can a destroyer (carrier of Tomahawks and long-range anti-aircraft missiles) help prevent the terrorist attacks that the Pentagon fears?

Euromaidan. Demonstration of solidarity of the Ukrainian opposition. That is how one can regard the possible appearance of the US Navy off the coast of Ukraine.

Finally, we must not forget about their intended purpose. Each warship is a clot of radio electronics designed to illuminate the air, surface and underwater conditions, as well as conducting reconnaissance in a wide range of the electromagnetic spectrum.

The reasons may be many. Yankee ships are on the way.

Who came to our shores this time?

Alas, the Yankees are not going to demonstrate anything surprising. No amphibious stealth ships of the type "San Antonio", UDC, pyramid-like "Zamvoltov", high-speed LCS and other super-modern technology. The composition of the Black Sea group of the US Navy was extremely simple and dull.

The staff ship (joke. "Cabin-carrier") USS Mount Whitney (LCC 20).

One of the oldest operational ships of the US Navy, built at the beginning of the 1970-s, at the same time being the flagship of the Sixth Fleet and the only ship permanently listed (Sixth Fleet, like the rest of the US Navy, means only the area of ​​responsibility updated on a rotational basis).

US Black Sea Squadron

"Mount Whitney" accompanied by a coast guard boat of Georgia. Visit to Batumi, November 2013

The staff ship is devoid of any attack and defensive weapons, with the exception of X-NUMX-caliber Browning and a pair of Phalanx anti-aircraft guns.

18400 tons full displacement. Full move 23 node. The permanent crew is 325 people, of whom 155 are civilian civilian people. The maximum passenger capacity of a staff ship, including its crew, is 930 people.

"Mount Whitney" was created as a floating command center, necessary to manage and coordinate the actions of the Navy and the Marine Corps. Externally, it can be taken for a research vessel or a spacecraft control ship: the 190-meter flat deck, dotted with white shrouds of antenna devices.

The unusual appearance of the ship is dictated by the requirement of ensuring the electromagnetic compatibility of a large number of receiving and transmitting equipment — dozens of communication channels and the exchange of data necessary for effective control of the course of military operations at sea, on land and in the air.

Inside the ship "Mount Whitney" there are a large number of premises for briefings and meetings, a printing house, numerous cabins for the guests of the ship, including luxury "admiral" apartments, PCF, machine rooms and control posts. For delivery on board of important persons and other administrative tasks there is a helicopter SH-60 "SiHouk."

To date, the ship "Mount Whitney" has completely lost its original meaning, becoming a messenger and representative ship used to display the flag. The capabilities of modern microelectronics and communication systems make it possible to control troops directly from the aircraft (E-8 J-STARS) or from an underground bunker on the territory of the Navy Gaeta (Italy). A specialized ship is not required. For the organization of the flagship command post enough computing power, detection tools and capabilities of the CID of any Ajis cruiser or destroyer.

"Mount Whitney" is a frequent guest in the Black Sea - largely due to the constant presence in the Sixth Fleet (port of registry - Gaeta). He became the first American ship that delivered humanitarian aid to Poti during the war in South Ossetia.


"Mount Whitney" while parking in the port of Gaeta

The Yankees appreciate the ship for its impressive size, low cost of operation and a peace-loving appearance - without the formidable rockets and protruding gun barrels. However, this did not help “Mount Whitney” at all during the attempt to call at Sevastopol (November 2008): American sailors were forced to leave the port under the pressure of anti-NATO speeches conducted by the Russian-speaking population.

A low-speed “cabut bomber” cannot pose a serious military threat. However, Mount Whitney is saturated with a large number of electronic intelligence tools - and it should be kept away from its native shores.

Another thing is curious: how can it help the US Olympic team? The answer is obvious - no way.

Second Black Sea Squadron - USS Taylor (FFG-50)

Frigate URO (with guided missile weapons) type "Oliver Hazard Perry" - an ancient artifact, a relic of the Cold War, to date only nominally listed as a combat unit.

Forty years ago, the ambitious frigate Perry project called for the construction of fifty light multipurpose ships to defend transoceanic convoys in the event of World War III in a nuclear-free format (Russian Tanks rush to the English Channel, the Yankees are bringing help through the Atlantic Ocean). The main features of the new ship were to be simplicity, cheapness and limited combat characteristics - only the most necessary, nothing more.

As it turned out later, the Yankees overly “limited” the capabilities of the frigate. As a result, Oliver H. Perry became a physical and mental disabled person - without a normal radar, sonar, closed air defense system, anti-submarine missiles and long-range anti-aircraft missiles. With a low speed, single-shaft power plant and disgusting seaworthiness.


Frigate type "Oliver H. Perry"

As a result - each meeting with the enemy turned into a disaster.

The Stark frigate could not repel the attack of a single Iraqi Mirage and almost died, having lost the crew of its crew to 37. The frigate Samuel B. Roberts hit a contact mine of the 1908 model of the year. Disgrace.

However, throwing tomatoes at American engineers is not worth it. All the other frigates of the same age as Perry were even worse.

On the positive side: “Perry” was distinguished by a reliable and efficient gas-turbine GEM, unified with the GEM of all existing cruisers and destroyers of the US Navy. He had a tremendous range for its size. It was equipped with "advanced" means of detection (compared to frigates built in other countries) and had two helicopters on board! The single-stage power plant was partially compensated by two sliding screw columns.


The aircraft carrier Enterprise and the frigate Taylor simultaneously refuel from the integrated supply ship

It was to some extent a masterpiece - useless, as a fighting unit, but very beautiful from a technical point of view. Narrow, graceful, swift. Stuffed with modern electronics and weapons: the Yankees were able to place a maximum of mechanisms and systems in a small case with a displacement of ≈ 4000 tons.

Total managed to build 71 frigate (53 - US Navy, the rest - licensed copies for the allied fleets). To date, the Americans have almost completely withdrawn them from the fleet, giving the ships to their not very rich allies (Poland, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, etc.), but with the condition of their further modernization with the purchase of American systems and technologies.



The remaining 15 units (including Taylor) underwent intensive therapy, as a result of which the American frigates lost the only Mk.13 launcher for launching anti-aircraft missiles and the Harpoon anti-ship missiles. The calculation was based on the fact that the anti-aircraft missiles of the Standerd-1 family are completely outdated and are useless in modern conditions. As for the loss of anti-ship missiles, the sailors will somehow be able to survive this loss.

To date, only the 76 mm caliber gun, the Phalanx six-barreled anti-aircraft gun and two helicopters have been preserved in the Perry armament. Missile weapons on board American frigates are completely absent.

This is a good option for fighting the Somali pirates with the feluccas. But to consider the "Taylor" and similar ships as serious combat units is clearly not worth it.

And most importantly - how can this “stub” help to ensure the safety of the Games in Sochi?


USS Taylor (FFG-50). The length of the ship is 138 m, full displacement - more than 4000 tons. 29 speed nodes. Range 5000 miles on 18 bonds. Staff crew 226 people, including 21 officer.

“Taylor” is famous for the fact that in the 2010 year, a Russian Tu-95 bomber flew above it on a low level flight, scaring Americans to death. Other feats and momentous events for the entire 30-year-old history this ship was not marked.

When considering the performance of the American group, it becomes obvious that both ships of the Black Sea Squadron are not able to provide any real assistance in terms of ensuring the safety of American athletes and fans. In addition, all American concerns about the Olympiad in Russia (“rescue” ships and airplanes, search for escape routes and evacuation points) resemble a relic of the Cold War and Russophobic jokes about bears on Moscow streets. And the "evacuation plans" themselves look terribly pitiful and absurd. If the Yankees were seriously preparing to rescue someone, they would drive a transport dock of the San Antonio type to the coast or, good, an Airborne helicopter carrier.

But not a toothless staff ship and an outdated frigate, which pretends to be a combat unit only for importance.
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  1. Orakyl
    Orakyl 6 February 2014 06: 17
    +30
    Careful they need to be in the Black Sea, stand where we point out, otherwise the risks are very high to run into a mine left from the Second World War, German. Not a bad chance to try out our new electronic warfare systems and the counter-sabotage work of scuba diving.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 6 February 2014 09: 08
      +5
      They are in neutral waters, which means ours is not a decree for them.
      1. Bismark
        Bismark 6 February 2014 09: 23
        +71
        No comments! repeat wink
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 6 February 2014 17: 27
          +10
          it should be like this:
        2. papik09
          papik09 7 February 2014 17: 56
          0
          Not "They sank," but "What ships? They weren't here ..." wassat
      2. Canep
        Canep 6 February 2014 09: 29
        +6
        Formally, this reconnaissance squadron can be located in neutral waters anywhere and for any length of time. But our sailors of the Black Sea can declare their location as a closed area of ​​the exercises of the fleet. I think it will not be bad if ours are thus chasing them across the Black Sea
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 6 February 2014 09: 38
          +11
          No one will do this during the Olympics. This is a provocation, look at life more real.
          1. Canep
            Canep 6 February 2014 10: 31
            +2
            Quote: Greenwood
            This is a provocation, look at life more real

            I agree with you - finding them military and intelligence. ships is a provocation. In your opinion, let them calmly watch the Olympics?
            1. Serg 122
              Serg 122 6 February 2014 12: 04
              +6
              In your opinion, let them calmly watch the Olympics?
              They could watch the Olympics sitting at home on the couch on TV (and even in real time). I am sure that their goal is different. What - time will tell
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 6 February 2014 14: 05
                +4
                Quote: Serg 122
                I. What - time will tell
                It’s already showing, it seems the arrival of ships is like a signal
            2. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 6 February 2014 13: 02
              +5
              Quote: Canep
              Quote: Greenwood
              This is a provocation, look at life more real

              I agree with you - finding them military and intelligence. ships is a provocation. In your opinion, let them calmly watch the Olympics?


              Why exactly at the Olympics? They will watch the Maidan.
              1. CTEPX
                CTEPX 7 February 2014 05: 07
                0
                Quote: Geisenberg
                Why exactly at the Olympics? They will watch the Maidan.

                They will observe the actions of the Black Sea Fleet during the "activation of the rebel movement" in Ukraine. In addition - to shit on the air)). And as a "sacred sacrifice", if necessary, they are very suitable.
            3. Foxmara
              Foxmara 6 February 2014 17: 59
              +11
              yes let them stand here. I am sure that sailors have a lot of stress every day. They scare each other all the time. And in the course of the Russian Federation, the only country that they do not understand and are afraid of. Some theater group should be sent to them under the guise of a gypsy camp as a friendly delegation and let them try not to accept it. Give a couple of concerts so that the boat sways! Necessarily with a bear. Leaving, let them look compassionately at the sailors, they say, orphans, why are you so. Be sure to whisper something among themselves. Significantly smile and watch the srach on the air. )) All. From now on, their stress will be continuous.
          2. siberalt
            siberalt 7 February 2014 00: 05
            +1
            "See life more real"

            And this is how? Is LHPT the Most Real? Gentlemen, comrades and citizens! Buy kaleidoscopes. You will finally see your beautiful reality!)))
            Nothing is just being done. There are large dots at each search point. Be carefull!
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        2. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 6 February 2014 12: 27
          +3
          Quote: Canep
          Formally, this reconnaissance squadron can be located in neutral waters anywhere and for any length of time. But our sailors of the Black Sea can declare their location as a closed area of ​​the exercises of the fleet. I think it will not be bad if ours are thus chasing them across the Black Sea

          Do not fly in the clouds.
          Do you know what the elusive Joe is? I answer: this is some kind of Joe who is not needed by anyone. Therefore, the elusive.
        3. Nick
          Nick 6 February 2014 23: 12
          0
          Quote: Canep
          . I think it will not be bad if ours are thus chasing them across the Black Sea

          Both those and others will be trained ... wink
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 6 February 2014 13: 00
        +1
        Quote: Greenwood
        They are in neutral waters, which means ours is not a decree for them.


        They get up where the trucker says. Non-lethal military equipment will be unloaded - light-noise grenades, bulletproof vests, Hamer jeeps, rifles (non-lethal without cartridges), separately cartridges (without rifles also non-lethal) well, there’s a trifle of any kind of communication and soda equipment ... they will be unloaded and dumped in just a couple of weeks side of a friendly base.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 6 February 2014 16: 04
          -17%
          I completely admit this option. But to be honest, I don’t care what will happen to Ukraine. I would have taken the Crimea from them, and then let Ukraine at least tear the whole to pieces. This is their choice.
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 7 February 2014 00: 16
            +1
            You, "dear" only take away. Ukraine will only add nausea from you. Not before there now. Everything is digested in torment. And when they "vomit" - little will seem to anyone.
          2. siberalt
            siberalt 7 February 2014 00: 16
            +1
            You, "dear" only take away. Ukraine will only add nausea from you. Not before there now. Everything is digested in torment. And when they "vomit" - little will seem to anyone.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 7 February 2014 06: 15
              0
              Quote: siberalt
              From you Ukraine only nausea will be added.
              I said I do not care about Ukraine. From the very beginning it was an artificially created and incompetent state. It should be either part of Russia as a whole, or let it roll on all four sides.
              1. papik09
                papik09 7 February 2014 18: 17
                0
                CLOSE YOUR MOUTH - SHITS STink !!! am
          3. CTEPX
            CTEPX 7 February 2014 05: 45
            +2
            Quote: Greenwood
            anyway, what will happen to Ukraine.

            For example)): http://day.zp.ua/news/37648.html
            How do you like the fighting units of the "angry population" guarded and fed by NATO troops, in the territory where our people live, the border with which, in the foreseeable future, cannot be blocked. In contact with our aircraft (Black Sea Fleet)?
            This is their dream! Russia against the scum of the whole world is fighting on its territory ...
            THEY organize, control and direct this scum, feeding them Europe and Central Asia, blowing up the Far East ...
            It would seem, why?
            And where else to put on debts equal to the value of the entire material component that people created on the planet?))
            So, everything that happens in Ukraine is not all the same to us. I think nobody cares)).
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 7 February 2014 06: 14
              -1
              Quote: ctepx
              in the territory where our people live
              Our people live in Russia. Ukraine is another state with its citizens. Moreover, without Maidanites, she accused Russia of her troubles all the way and flirted with the West. Well, it makes sense to help such a state. But I am ready to facilitate the movement of Russian people from Ukraine to Russia. Welcome to our Far East, we have few people.
              Quote: ctepx
              This is their dream! Russia is fighting against the scum of the whole world on its territory ... THEY organize, control and direct this scum, feeding them Europe and Central Asia, blowing up the Far East ... It would seem, why?
              All of the above is a consequence of the weakness and venality of the Russian government. Subversive work against Russia has been going on for many years, even decades, and even centuries. In Soviet times, for some reason, they successfully coped with this, but now suddenly there are some problems.
              1. CTEPX
                CTEPX 7 February 2014 07: 36
                0
                Quote: Greenwood
                Subversive work against Russia has been going on for many years

                You confuse subversion with the POSSIBLE start of the hot phase.
                However, the main thing is that Putin does not confuse this. Therefore, there are chances)).
            2. papik09
              papik09 7 February 2014 18: 18
              0
              100% THANKS FOR OPINIONdrinks drinks drinks hi
          4. papik09
            papik09 7 February 2014 18: 16
            0
            Say, YOU "green forest", I will cut it down by the root am am
        2. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 6 February 2014 16: 35
          +2
          They get up where the trucker says. Non-lethal military equipment will be unloaded By the way, this is difficult. They will have to enter the ports of ukraine and unload, and this is attention and questions. It will probably not work to launch devirsants ashore either. Surely some small rocket launcher is already visually observing the "gastralers".
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman 6 February 2014 17: 15
      +6
      Quote: Orakyl
      Not a bad chance to try out our new electronic warfare systems.

      I support. jam them constantly throughout the olympiad repeat
  2. Pit
    Pit 6 February 2014 06: 22
    +7
    And the “evacuation plans" themselves look terribly pathetic and ridiculous

    What are you talking about ?! What an Olympics, but she didn’t dig into them, just an excuse to fit the ships. And why drove such old and decrepit, so that we would not look at them too closely and interfere. A maidanutym and this is enough to support.
    1. Svyatoslavovich
      Svyatoslavovich 6 February 2014 11: 26
      +10
      Remember what our ships did recently off the coast of Syria, provided the Syrian army with electronic intelligence, the Americans will do the same, for the Maidan, it seems they are preparing a military provocation.
      1. Pit
        Pit 6 February 2014 12: 15
        +2
        Quote: Svyatoslavovich
        It seems they are preparing a power provocation.

        The word "LIKE" is not appropriate here. They cook, it doesn't even go to the grandmother.
  3. awg75
    awg75 6 February 2014 06: 58
    +3
    demonstration of strength and presence. for example, we should also demonstrate something more often near Florida.
  4. sds555
    sds555 6 February 2014 07: 04
    +15
    They drove away nothing once, we will drive it away a second time !!!!
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 6 February 2014 16: 45
      +10
      In the summer I went on a cruise on the Moscow-Solovki-Moscow ship and discovered such a topic for myself, it turns out that you have to feel the ship like a car, only here everything is more complicated due to its size and energy. So I mean that probably not everyone will be able to "beat" the supastat like this. In short, I'm proud of my country and the Navy.
  5. Tatarus
    Tatarus 6 February 2014 07: 17
    +29
    They sent a couple of old write-off troughs recourse
    During the Olympics, they themselves will undermine and blame either Russia or whoever is needed. Prepare a provocation.
    1. AnaBat
      AnaBat 6 February 2014 12: 14
      0
      Provocations, lies and arrogant deception - this is in the spirit of Ping ... on! I think ours are not bastard, if that answer.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 6 February 2014 20: 18
      +12
      Quote: Tatarus
      They sent a couple of old write-off troughs
      During the Olympics, they themselves will undermine and blame either Russia or whoever is needed. Prepare a provocation.

      Moreover, this frigate is in their queue for disposal in 2015. And since the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet GRKR "Moskva" and the ICR "Pytlivy" entered the area of ​​the military service to ensure the security of the OI, they organize a provocation with the defeat of the frigate of the Russian anti-ship missile system, then constipated harmurgo-eaters from CNN will show a rocket fragment with the inscription Mad in Sibirien, GULAG Kolyma , fitter Tolya Stool smile They will tell how Mountain heroically rescued a drowning crew from attacks by Yanukovych fighting dolphins .. and here you have a progressive community that requires the withdrawal of their athletes from the Olympic Games, the IOC accepts the response. Resolution. The UN is considering a peacekeeping operation to capture the bloody killers of dolphins in Crimea with the help of Bandera and the Crimean Tatar Islamists .. Something like that ..
      1. alone
        alone 6 February 2014 21: 00
        +4
        Quote: Ascetic
        Moreover, this frigate is in their queue for disposal in 2015. And since the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet GRKR "Moskva" and the ICR "Pytlivy" entered the area of ​​the military service to ensure the security of the OI, they organize a provocation with the defeat of the frigate of the Russian anti-ship missile system, then constipated harmurgo-eaters from CNN will show a rocket fragment with the inscription Mad in Sibirien, GULAG Kolyma , assembler Tolya Stool. They will tell how Mountain heroically saved the sinking crew from the attacks of Yanukovych's fighting dolphins .. and now the progressive public demands the recall of their athletes from the Olympic Games, the IOC accepts accordingly. The UN is considering a peacekeeping operation to catch bloody killer dolphins in Crimea with the help of Bandera and Crimean Tatar Islamists ...


        With annoyance, all the famous scriptwriters of world cinema frantically shook their pens and wrote a letter of resignation, while the two most zealous simply hanged themselves. wassat
  6. Name
    Name 6 February 2014 07: 21
    +1
    In short: for every action (from the US side) there must be a counteraction (from Russia), otherwise, in any case, especially with an open desire to slander Russia from February 7. hi
  7. Odysseus
    Odysseus 6 February 2014 07: 21
    +16
    The author of the right-combat value, this "squadron" has no purpose. The goals of its dispatch are obvious:
    1) Advocacy. For the media you need to provide a picture of what the Americans allegedly provide for the safety of the Olympics.
    2) Intelligence
    3) Moral support for their "Euromaidan" sixes in Ukraine.
    I'm afraid our people will not quickly orient themselves, but, in general, it would be nice now to send a couple of ships on a friendly visit to Havana where they would conduct joint exercises with the Cuban Navy.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 6 February 2014 09: 05
      +6
      Quote: Odyssey
      The author of the right-combat value, this "squadron" has no purpose. The goals of its dispatch are obvious:

      Of the items you listed, only point 2 is real.
      Paragraph 1. nobody will believe in it, what help from such a ship’s crew?
      Point 3. similar to what was said above. How moral support would be San Antonio and Burke, and so only an irritant for opponents of the Maidan, an excuse to poke your nose and make fun of "this is how your masters treat you, they sent two worthless troughs"
      Therefore, only intelligence. During the Olympiad, all the forces of the Black Sea Fleet will be involved, both ship and coastal. Hundreds of operating radars, thousands of communication facilities, "write-don't want".
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 6 February 2014 15: 32
        +2
        Quote: Nayhas
        Paragraph 1. nobody will believe in it, what help from such a ship’s crew?

        They will believe. They will show a picture with the corresponding comments to the internal American consumer - 2 American warships in the Black Sea are engaged in ensuring the safety of the Olympiad. The main confidence of the American taxpayer in the uniqueness and exclusivity of America.
        Quote: Nayhas
        Point 3. similar to what was said above. How moral support would be San Antonio and Burke, and so only an irritant for opponents of the Maidan, an excuse to poke your nose and make fun of "this is how your masters treat you, they sent two worthless troughs"

        Well, the main "weapon" of the West here, of course, is not in direct military force, but in the control over the capital of the Ukrainian bureaucratic-oligarchic groups, so perhaps the factor of support for the "Maidan" really has nothing to do with it. And perhaps moreover, we'll wait and see. The military significance of the ships is not important here. The main thing is a signal to the supporters of "Euromaidan" that the "world master" is with them. Plus, any incident with ships and military personnel on board can be regarded by the United States as a casus belli, a reason for direct intervention. provocation is not difficult for the Americans, so in this case it does not matter at all whether it is an old command ship and a frigate or a new amphibious transport dock and destroyer.
  8. bomg.77
    bomg.77 6 February 2014 07: 23
    +1
    And the “evacuation plans" themselves look terribly pathetic and ridiculous. If the Yankees
    Of course it’s ridiculous, but what if the Olympiad would not be held in a coastal city, but say in Yekaterinburg, how then? In my opinion, they will coordinate something or someone.
    1. 222222
      222222 6 February 2014 12: 42
      +4
      bomg.77 RU Today, 07:23
      "the" evacuation plans "themselves look terribly pitiful and ridiculous. If the Yankees
      Of course it's ridiculous, what if the Olympics would not be held in a coastal city. "

      Another point is interesting - why, apart from the Americans, not a single country participating in the Winter Olympics sent their warships to the Black Sea? Did the Yankees send it?
      The simple answer is that they know they should be feared for their work and the promotion of "democracy" around the world.
      US fear goes wild ...
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 6 February 2014 14: 10
        +3
        Quote: 222222
        t-why besides the Americans, not a single country participating in the Winter O
        You probably forgot that they are an exceptional nation)))) you can’t forget about it wassat
  9. Nitarius
    Nitarius 6 February 2014 07: 25
    +11
    It's rather EARS come! listen to WHAT frequencies our air defense, etc. WILL WORK!
    Remove radiation patterns, etc.!
    Well, about UKRAINE you should not FORGET ... THERE A mess is going on!
  10. VadimSt
    VadimSt 6 February 2014 07: 39
    +8
    To me, this visit reminds me of a dude who, when approaching the girls, unbuttons his coat and shirt in the winter, and then lays on a sick leave for a week. And in the impudent, it’s kind of scary, you can grab by the rubbish and show off the hunt - we are the coolest and nowhere without us!
  11. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 6 February 2014 07: 42
    +4
    18400 tons full displacement. Full move 23 node. The permanent crew is 325 people, of whom 155 are civilian civilian people. The maximum passenger capacity of a staff ship, including its crew, is 930 people.


    Yes, on this barge you can bring a damn cloud of saboteurs and bombers ...
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 6 February 2014 09: 10
      +3
      From what I hear, there are about 300 Marines on Mount Whitney at the moment.
  12. Hort
    Hort 6 February 2014 07: 54
    +1
    and what a good idea to give our combat swimmers exercises. So that all the ships draw with crosses))
    1. kostiknet
      kostiknet 6 February 2014 11: 27
      +4
      Quote: hort
      painted with crosses))

      not with crosses, but with pink pisyuns laughing Geyropa will appreciate such a "gesture"
      1. Hort
        Hort 6 February 2014 14: 21
        +1
        Yes, about the crosses, I remembered one story of "sensei" about the teachings of swimmers:
        also practiced sabotage, well, the ship’s security was awake, vigil in full, so to speak)
        And in the morning they saw that the whole ship in the crosses was drawn - apparently they noted the places where, in theory, the charges should be put
  13. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 6 February 2014 08: 17
    +11
    I propose to put the "pistol at the temple" to "Moscow" within sight and periodically open and close the hatches of the cruise missile launchers. Let them run around in diapers a little. They trained on the Turks somehow, and we will train on them. laughing When will there be such a chance yet! And to squeal to answer that, they say, we did not go to the Potomac during the anti-terrorist operation during the Olympics in Atlanta, therefore, if you, gentlemen, have the audacity to crawl along our inland seas, then keep in mind the consequences. You have to be bolder with shit, otherwise soon they will enter Putin’s office without knocking! winked
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 6 February 2014 08: 30
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      I propose to put the "pistol at the temple" "Moscow" within sight and periodically open and close the hatches of the cruise missile launchers.

      "Within sight" is too close for "Moscow".
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 6 February 2014 09: 13
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      I propose to put the "pistol at the temple" "Moscow" within sight and periodically open and close the hatches of the cruise missile launchers.
      The point of wasting the resource of the most powerful Black Sea Fleet ship on this ?! You are now essentially dropping to the level of banal piping. If the Americans wanted to show off, they would have driven a couple of Ticanderogs, San Antonio and an aircraft carrier to boot.
      1. 1c-inform-city
        1c-inform-city 6 February 2014 09: 19
        +1
        Such a number of ships cannot enter the Black Sea. It is not allowed under the contract. Especially an aircraft carrier.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 6 February 2014 09: 40
          +4
          In any case, they would have found something to drive, newer and more serious than these two pelvis. It's a shame that apart from the "Moscow" on the Black Sea Fleet, there really are no normal ships left. And "Moskva" being a missile cruiser would generally look more appropriate on the Northern Fleet or Pacific Fleet, and not in this puddle.
          1. Poppy
            Poppy 6 February 2014 12: 07
            +2
            so Kuznetsov is not far in the Mediterranean
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 6 February 2014 13: 08
          +1
          Quote: 1c-inform-city
          Such a number of ships cannot enter the Black Sea. It is not allowed under the contract. Especially an aircraft carrier.

          And who will ban the Americans, the Turks or something? But the Americans spat on the treaties, got out of the ABM treaty and no one objected to them.
          1. alone
            alone 6 February 2014 21: 02
            +1
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            And who will ban the Americans, the Turks or something? But the Americans spat on the treaties, got out of the ABM treaty and no one objected to them.


            However, on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, the Turks didn’t let American ships cross the straits while the fighting was going on. The Americans arrived in Georgia after the fighting was over. So Turk may not let the ships go.
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 6 February 2014 11: 01
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        If the Americans wanted to show off, they would have driven a couple of Ticanderogs, San Antonio and an aircraft carrier to boot.

        I would not dare to drive such a group of ships into the Black Sea. It would not be a show off, but a somewhat ill-conceived decision, in my opinion.
    3. Walk
      Walk 6 February 2014 13: 38
      +1
      In fact, a pair of missile boats or attack aircraft would be enough. And the noise of a submarine nearby.
    4. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 6 February 2014 20: 24
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      . You have to be bolder with shit, otherwise soon they will enter Putin’s office without knocking!

      Don’t worry so much, it’s just Putin called Obama to fish for the Olympics. laughing
  14. Flatter
    Flatter 6 February 2014 08: 26
    +3
    Slowly they accustom themselves to the presence of their fleet at any event, in the zone that was once practically considered the inland sea of ​​the USSR.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 6 February 2014 09: 16
      -3
      The Americans are consistently pursuing foreign policy; one can only praise them in this. It’s not their fault that ours drank most of the fleet, destroyed half of the military-industrial complex and now, in addition to several large Soviet-built ships, we really have nothing to show the flag in the seas and oceans.
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 6 February 2014 16: 51
        +1
        The Americans consistently pursue foreign policy, you can only praise them in this It just so happened that a Russian soldier is being consistently housed in Western capitals. Not they (soldiers) are to blame for this;)
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 7 February 2014 06: 20
          0
          That is why the Americans never fought with us. They are at war at the economic and ideological levels. And it is very effective. The collapse of the USSR proved it.
  15. Arhj
    Arhj 6 February 2014 08: 44
    +5
    The first ship of the Sixth Fleet, Mount Whitney, proceeded through the Bosporus and Dardanelles.

    Was it he who brought milk to Georgia in 2008?
    Americans are generally extremely caring people. As soon as someone has "no crocodile caught, no coconut grows" in the nearest well, the US fleet immediately pops up, with only humane tamahawks.
    1. demon184
      demon184 6 February 2014 13: 00
      +1
      not milk but diapers
  16. stroporez
    stroporez 6 February 2014 09: 07
    +7
    it would be necessary to send a couple of submarines to the shores of the "chosen ones" to "ensure the safety of students from Russia" .........
    1. Fin
      Fin 6 February 2014 11: 58
      +1
      Quote: stroporez
      it would be necessary to send a couple of submarines to the shores of the "chosen ones" to "ensure the safety of students from Russia" .........

      The main thing is that a couple of strategists leave the base and plunge into the time of the Olympic Games.
  17. Russia
    Russia 6 February 2014 09: 13
    +9
    A bunch of conflicts and wars were unleashed by the Americans after allegedly "enemies were attacked" by their outdated ships, "peacefully grazing" on a foreign shore. The old American trick with old, decommissioned ships has been in use since at least 1898. (Cuba-battleship "MEN", "Tonkin Incident", "Luisitania", etc.) Crews are consumables. I would not relax if I were the crews of these two ships. But they probably were not told these stories from US "politics".
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 6 February 2014 09: 42
      +1
      Finish your conspiracy theories. They also talked about the aircraft carrier Enterprise in the Persian Gulf and its blowing up as a pretext for a war with Iran. No one, however, blew it up.
      1. kostiknet
        kostiknet 6 February 2014 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: Greenwood
        However, no one blew him up.

        Sorry am
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 6 February 2014 16: 07
          +2
          People would be sorry. And ordinary American sailors who died for nothing, and the victims of the ensuing war. So it’s good that they didn’t undermine.
  18. Gray 43
    Gray 43 6 February 2014 09: 20
    +1
    Shtatniks, the campaign, they forgot with whom their grandfathers fought in Europe, against whom they went in the northern convoys in the USSR, at that time they hated fascism like all sensible people - I mean ordinary Americans
  19. Stiletto
    Stiletto 6 February 2014 09: 20
    +4
    A lot of attention to these troughs. There is no need to look for any sense or sense in sending them here, because they are not there.
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 6 February 2014 16: 53
      +2
      Now they will simply try to overload our attention: the Olympics, the US ships, problems in Ukraine, problems in Syria, problems in Nagorno-Karabakh, maybe it doesn’t inject anywhere, or they can insert it on the tonsils where we do not expect it most.
  20. lukke
    lukke 6 February 2014 09: 30
    0
    Taylor is famous for the fact that in 2010 a Russian Tu-95 bomber passed over it on a low-level flight

    probably wanted to zinkovat screws. Why write this pathetic crap? It seems that we are trying to analyze in the article, and we are sliding down to the pre-war agitation of 41 years.
  21. ed65b
    ed65b 6 February 2014 09: 43
    +3
    Come and go, let the Sochi stand guard, it is critical that the Olympics be held without incident.
  22. Greenwood
    Greenwood 6 February 2014 09: 48
    +12
    People, honestly, finish writing hurray-patriotic nonsense in the style of "let's send our entire fleet to America to annoy the Americans", "let's show them Kuzkin's mother", "let's drive them across the Black Sea", etc. It is better to remember whether a similar entry of American ships into the Black Sea was possible 30 years ago, at the same time think about why this has become possible now, and at the same time why no one from the government and the Ministry of Defense will do anything you propose. I would like to remind you that our country is far from the USSR of the 1970s and 80s; it has too different opportunities and a different foreign policy.
    1. Fin
      Fin 6 February 2014 12: 32
      0
      Quote: Greenwood
      Better remember if a similar entry of American ships into the Black Sea was possible 30 years ago,

      There is a video above, so look whether the result is possible or not.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 6 February 2014 16: 09
        +1
        Then it caused a rather sickly scandal, because it was a deliberate provocation on the part of the Americans, and our sailors reacted accordingly. At the moment, everything is happening quite legally ...
  23. VadimL
    VadimL 6 February 2014 09: 49
    0
    I don't like this situation. Especially when you remember what happened to the cruiser "Maine" on February 15, 1898. Yankees are masters of such provocations.
  24. Wedmak
    Wedmak 6 February 2014 09: 50
    0
    From our side, if I'm not mistaken, Moscow and the patrol came out. In addition, a pair of BDKs moved closer to Sochi. And most likely, there are also coastal complexes stuck. So, "American friends", this is who else will be watching whom ....
  25. donavi49
    donavi49 6 February 2014 10: 10
    +2
    Everything is fine. Simple practice. In London, too, the Americans were, though on Teak and Burke. Unfortunately, modern olympiads are bristling with 3-4 air defense rings, UAVs and helicopters fly over objects. And in the harbor are warships. No other way.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 February 2014 10: 30
      +1
      The Black Sea is inland. And what can the US Navy do except spy, I can’t imagine at all.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 6 February 2014 13: 22
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak
        The Black Sea is inland

        Only the White Sea can have the status of an "inland sea".
  26. stroporez
    stroporez 6 February 2014 11: 24
    +1
    "... The US Department of Homeland Security has sent a bulletin warning of possible terrorist attacks during flights to American and foreign airlines operating direct flights to Russia, CNN reports, citing a representative of the department. The reason for alarm was the proximity of the opening of the 2014 Olympic Games in Sochi ..... "--- think for yourself, decide for yourself .........
  27. Evkur
    Evkur 6 February 2014 12: 00
    +1
    My opinion:
    1. This is pure espionage - 100% electronic reconnaissance (our frequencies and Iskander ciphers will intercept for sure!)
    2. Demonstration of arrogance! Like they wanted and sailed
    3. Distraction from the main forces of the Navy, I read that Japan has a mega-concentration of forces !!! For what?
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 6 February 2014 22: 34
      0
      Quote: Evkur
      1. This is pure espionage - 100% electronic reconnaissance (our frequencies and Iskander ciphers will intercept for sure!)


      You just blurted out, or do you understand something? Why Iskander, how can this be done from the Black Sea, and what is the point?
  28. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 6 February 2014 12: 02
    +6
    Take a look. Before the Olympics, the family of the American ambassador is taken out of Russia, and then he himself (a valuable shot is saved). Two ships come in, one of control and electronic intelligence, the second, which is not a pity. Not for nothing.
    It's time to cast a glance, and who else is molting from Russia and assessing the possible threats is no longer for the Sochi Olympics.
  29. Andrii
    Andrii 6 February 2014 12: 45
    0
    "" Doves "of the world"
    wink
  30. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 6 February 2014 12: 52
    -1
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Quote: Canep
    Formally, this reconnaissance squadron can be located in neutral waters anywhere and for any length of time. But our sailors of the Black Sea can declare their location as a closed area of ​​the exercises of the fleet. I think it will not be bad if ours are thus chasing them across the Black Sea

    Do not fly in the clouds.
    Do you know what the elusive Joe is? I answer: this is some kind of Joe who is not needed by anyone. Therefore, the elusive.

    Why are you so op ---- you sometimes put wise thoughts into inagda and dermo +++
  31. demon184
    demon184 6 February 2014 12: 57
    +1
    We must also think about security and send Peter for the time of the Olympic Games in the Gulf of Mexico, just in case.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 6 February 2014 13: 25
      +3
      What for? Who has a longer penis to find out? They have longer.
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 6 February 2014 16: 57
        0
        What for? Who has a longer penis to find out? They have longer
        we are all adults here and we know that size is not important, but skill;).
        Moreover, lesbians have no organ at all, but they still enjoy it.
        So here I am to the fact that asymmetric answers are needed. )))
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 7 February 2014 06: 09
          0
          Sending Peter is not an asymmetric response. For that matter, he's a good target in the Gulf of Mexico.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 6 February 2014 16: 10
      +2
      And what will he do there alone and surrounded by heaps of American ships?
  32. avt
    avt 6 February 2014 13: 12
    +1
    ------ ,, By now the steamer "Mount Whitney" has completely lost its original meaning, having turned into a messenger and representative vessel used to display the flag. The capabilities of modern microelectronics and communication systems make it possible to control troops directly from an aircraft (E-8 J-STARS) or from an underground bunker on the territory of the Gaeta naval base (Italy). No specialized ship is required. To organize a flagship command post, there is enough computing power, detection means and the capabilities of the CIC of any Aegis cruiser or destroyer. "------- laughing Say the same to our marimans in the Northern Fleet about "Maryata". ------ "A slow-moving" cabin-carrier "cannot pose a serious military threat. Nevertheless," Mount Whitney "is saturated with a large amount of electronic intelligence - and its should be kept away from native shores. " ---- Well, so maybe, before writing an article, decide - "cabin carrier" is according to the first quotation given, or is it still a serious command ship for combat formations and their weapons systems and a carrier of equipment for strategic electronic reconnaissance, of course he does not have ballistic missiles it is necessary - came with an escort.
    1. Santa Fe
      6 February 2014 14: 20
      0
      Quote: avt
      serious battle formation control ship

      Definitely not
      Quote: avt
      strategic electronic intelligence equipment carrier

      Mount Whitney WAS NOT CREATED as a carrier of strategic electronic intelligence equipment

      hull classification LCC - Landing Craft, Control. Preserved from the time of WWII - a ship to control the landing of marines. That does not exclude the appearance of RT-intercept stations on board, but again, a ship of 18 thousand tons is not required to accommodate such equipment. So, after all, the "cabin bearer"
      Quote: avt
      about "Maryata"

      Norwegian RTR Small Ship Series

      iron - third generation
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 6 February 2014 14: 26
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        iron - third generation
        It feels like karma stole)))
      2. avt
        avt 6 February 2014 15: 15
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Definitely not

        Yes, not really! laughing So the presence of control posts equipped with communications to control land, air and sea connections is an optical illusion and the ship serves as an admiral’s saloon !? Powerfully however pushed!
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Mount Whitney WAS NOT CREATED as a carrier of strategic electronic intelligence equipment

        request And when it was created at all, did the current electronics exist? Or was it absolutely forbidden to install any new equipment when laying? I'm not in coogs.
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        but - again, a ship of 18 thousand tons is not required to accommodate such equipment. So, after all, the "cabin bearer"

        Oleg, do the Americans exactly comply with this requirement for the placement of equipment? They actually run around the offices and check the amount of equipment with the displacement of the carrier - God forbid, Oleg learns that they have gone beyond the assigned tonnage. laughing And also give an accurate list of installed equipment!
        1. Santa Fe
          6 February 2014 15: 51
          +1
          Quote: avt
          It means the presence of control posts equipped with communication facilities for controlling land, air and sea connections

          What does it matter in our time - when there are:

          J-STARS air command posts


          84 shipequipped with Aegis system


          Satellite communications systems - each platoon commander. Orders can be transmitted from the bunker to the Gaet naval base or directly from the Pentagon

          Why do hundreds of high-ranking officers hang around on the same ship in the war zone?
          Quote: avt
          and do Americans exactly comply with this requirement for the placement of equipment?

          Usually RTR reconnaissance ships are small in size, often based on trawlers and other longboats - so that they are cheap, numerous, ubiquitous and did not attract too much attention


          Captured by USS Pueblo in Pyongyang



          SSV-535 "Karelia" accompanies the nuclear cruiser "Texas"


          Although there are exceptions: SBX (Sea Based X-Band Radar) mobile radar base - an analogue of Don-2Н, US missile defense SPRN systems
          1. avt
            avt 6 February 2014 16: 16
            +1
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            What does it matter in our time - when there are:

            This is all in one ship's bottle since the 70s and the Americans do not reflect, and do not worry about the "redundancy" of displacement, calmly and comfortably placed not on each other's heads. Is it not clear that all of the above is an addition and duplication of the control system troops and receiving intelligence, reservation in case of war and incapacitation by the enemy ??? Only our chief of the General Staff, out of excess of mind, could declare that we do not need a tracking base in Lourdes, we will receive all the information by satellites about our command ships, converted from cruisers 68bis and ineptly put on pins and needles, and I do not say. By the way, the admirals' desire to keep as many more main-caliber cannons to the detriment of the direct new task of the converted ships was very touching.
            1. Santa Fe
              6 February 2014 16: 29
              +2
              Quote: avt
              reservation in case of war and the failure of the enemy?

              In case of war, the healthy, slow-moving Mount Whitney, without normal means of self-defense, will die first
              Quote: avt
              about their control ships converted from 68bis cruisers

              Well, firstly, Zhdanov and Senyavin were part of the Black Sea Fleet and Pacific Fleet and proved to be practically useless ships.

              The only benefit - "Zhdanov" was used as a repeater during the flights of Soviet delegations across the ocean to the United States. But at the time, satellite phones were still not very popular ...

              it is noteworthy that the largest and most powerful of all fleets, the Northern Fleet, did just fine without these "control cruisers", which were floated far away - to the Black Sea
              Quote: avt
              and mediocre needles

              Zhdanov was admitted to the Navy in 1953
              Excluded from the fleet in 1989 year, due to the complete exhaustion of its resource

              36 years of service - is it in your opinion "ineptly put on pins and needles" ???
              1. avt
                avt 6 February 2014 16: 45
                0
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                In case of war, the healthy, slow-moving Mount Whitney, without normal means of self-defense, will die first

                Bast on firewood - start from the beginning. laughing Yes, he doesn’t walk alone in peacetime, but he has snuggled up with an escort, and in wartime, go reach him before him. Or do you think that when you come up from the shore and cut through an autogenous ramp, will they land an assault landing?
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Well, firstly, Zhdanov and Senyavin were part of the Black Sea Fleet and Pacific Fleet and proved to be practically useless ships.

                But do you really know the composition of the equipment and the range provided by it, for example, with submarines?
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                The only benefit - "Zhdanov" was used as a repeater during the flights of Soviet delegations across the ocean to the United States.

                laughing Yeah, but, the only benefit "from the cruiser" Slava "or" Moscow "is to ensure the participation in Malta of negotiations between the humpbacked and Bush senior.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                46 years of service - is it in your opinion "ineptly put on pins and needles" ???

                In what year the cruisers were overhauled in command ships and how much did they pass in such a "useless" quality ???
                1. Santa Fe
                  6 February 2014 16: 57
                  0
                  Quote: avt
                  he ran into an escort.

                  Taylor)))
                  Quote: avt
                  In what year the cruisers were overhauled in command ships and how much did they pass in such a "useless" quality ???

                  Zhdanov was converted to switchgear in 1971
                  Passed in this form for 18 years, to 1989m 40-year-old cruiser rusted through
                  Quote: avt
                  and the range provided by him for example with submarines?

                  For communication with submarines in the underwater position, the switchgear is useless

                  This requires VLF and ELF transmitters of the "Goliath" type and the 43rd communication center (Vileika). The height of the towers is 350 meters
                  1. avt
                    avt 6 February 2014 18: 21
                    0
                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    For communication with submarines in the underwater position, the switchgear is useless

                    This requires VLF and ELF transmitters of the "Goliath" type and the 43rd communication center (Vileika). The height of the towers is 350 meters

                    The communication system installed at that time provided more than 60 radio channels simultaneously in the entire frequency range, providing all kinds of possible work: auditory telephony, telegraphy, letter printing, photo telegraphy, ultrafast communication and automatic reception, satellite. A multi-channel range along the coastlines of 8 thousand, with a repeater -12, on the line of space communication with any region of the World Ocean. This is confirmed by the tests.
                    1. Santa Fe
                      6 February 2014 18: 36
                      0
                      Quote: avt
                      The communication system installed at that time provided more than 60 radio communication channels at the same time .... Multichannel along coastlines range8thousand, with repeater -12

                      Yes, satellite phones were a curiosity in the 60 years. But they quickly evolved:

                      Result:

                      The largest and most numerous Northern Fleet did not feel the need for such ships. Zhdanov rafted at the Black Sea Fleet

                      About communication with submerged submarines is another question. Communication at ordinary frequencies is impossible with them
  33. RBLip
    RBLip 6 February 2014 13: 13
    +3
    Here it is numbing them. we do not threaten, we warn
    1. Mike Wazowski
      Mike Wazowski 6 February 2014 21: 21
      +1
      USA - Abridged States of America? lol
  34. Lich
    Lich 6 February 2014 13: 21
    +3
    Taylor is famous for the fact that in 2010 a Russian Tu-95 bomber passed over it at low level flight, frightening the Americans to death. No other feats and significant events have been noted in the entire 30-year history of this ship.

    laughing laughing laughing

    crying

    - Captain, have you heard a lot of experience communicating with the enemy?
    “Sir, that's right, sir!”
    “You are sailing to the shores of the Russians!”
    - Sir, yes sir! Sir, what is the task, sir?
    - Your mission is to get off the coast of the enemy!
    - Sir, yes sir! With pleasure sir!
  35. Andrey77
    Andrey77 6 February 2014 13: 23
    +3
    The main task is to demonstrate the flag. Given the high terrorist danger in the world, the move is normal. Hope for Russia, but don’t be bad. We would like to demonstrate the muscles - we would send ajis. Well, to record the air defense of Russia - not without it.
  36. Walk
    Walk 6 February 2014 13: 32
    0
    I don't want to sound like a pessimist, but most likely there will be a provocation, and a bloody provocation. Or they will try to land troops in Ukraine, and when they are chased, they will organize the corpses and send troops to "protect their citizens", as was the case in Panama and Grenada. Or maydanutye will trample with a drill, they will tumble, and then the previous scenario. Perhaps there will be a provocation in Sochi, and these two troughs will brazenly trample into our territorial waters, hoping for a scandal. Again, maybe they have there out of 600 marines, 100 swimmers-saboteurs, ready to make a mess. Well, Georgia can again climb to Abkhazia under the protection of "older brother". In any case, something will happen, in my opinion.
    1. VadimL
      VadimL 6 February 2014 13: 59
      0
      I suggest a scenario.
      Mattress toppers blow up their antique frigate. The "cabin-carrier" equipment records this. And on the basis of these records (rich material for fabrication), one can either directly blame Russia for the attack, or blame everything on "terrorists", and blame Russia for its inability to ensure security and control the situation. And the Marines are needed to clean up evidence of their own involvement.
      As a result, 3,14ndos will receive either a pretext for war or an additional lever of influence.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 6 February 2014 16: 13
        0
        Quote: VadimL
        cause for war
        To the war with whom?
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 6 February 2014 17: 25
        0
        Well, they definitely do not need a reason for war. if they decide to war, then all they need is a miracle!
        Moreover, their ships are in international waters: we have nothing to do with what might happen there, and if we have, then this also needs to be proved!

        But in principle, I agree that they can soak something like that. And let’s say then to land in Georgia and slap a couple of military bases there!
    2. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 6 February 2014 17: 01
      +3
      Listen, these 600 marines will not be able to reassure even our fans after the hockey match, if ours lose ... I agree about the devirsants, but for this our ships (no matter what class) should visually observe these pretzels and as soon as something falls overboard , pass on information to the SBU so that they would be accepted on the shore.
  37. PValery53
    PValery53 6 February 2014 13: 54
    +1
    Of course, it is necessary to keep the aliens from foreign seas under tight control, no matter how naughty something. And it is imperative to "remind" that they are not here at home. So that they have a slight chill ... ("A step to the left, a step to the right and a jump in place will be considered an attempt to escape ...")
  38. xomaNN
    xomaNN 6 February 2014 13: 56
    +1
    Maybe they are asking for some kind of provocation. Or plans have already been developed. Like the Georgian cutter (from unfinished winked ) but with the Abkhaz flag will try to attack the peaceful Yankees. Of course, the noise is the gamble of the Olympics and other dirty tricks. At the same time check out the coast of the Russian Federation as a potential theater of operations from the sea.
  39. wax
    wax 6 February 2014 14: 08
    +1
    The author, however, is a joker: the flagship of the 6th fleet is a "cabin-carrier". What, then, is the fleet itself and the country containing it? However, we also have rusty containers that the author can kick with his feet.
    1. Santa Fe
      6 February 2014 14: 55
      0
      Quote: Wax
      The author, however, is a joker: the flagship of the 6th fleet is a "cabin-carrier"

      The rich have their own quirks

      Why an extra "show-off" (the flagship of the Northern Fleet "Peter the Great", running around the entire ball without stopping), if everyone already knows how many ships the Yankees have
      Quote: Wax
      What then is the fleet itself and the country containing it?
  40. Egoza
    Egoza 6 February 2014 14: 17
    0
    last information

    American warships Mount Whitney and Taylor entered the Black Sea and will carry out various tasks there, including call at foreign ports and conduct training sessions for their crews. This was stated by the official representative of the US Department of Defense Rear Admiral John Kirby. Mount Whitney's headquarters ship and Taylor guided missile frigate proceeded through the Dardanelles and Bosphorus. Initially, it was assumed that the second ship will be the Ramage missile destroyer, but at the end of January it was spotted in Cyprus.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-137832.html
  41. moremansf
    moremansf 6 February 2014 14: 20
    +2
    There is no smoke without fire !!!
  42. terranano
    terranano 6 February 2014 14: 42
    +1
    Hands itch. Cut off the head of Anglo-Saxon
  43. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 6 February 2014 14: 53
    0
    Quote: VadimL
    As a result, 3,14ndos will receive either a pretext for war or an additional lever of influence.


    The Indos love to receive a pretext for war with those countries that cannot answer them. With us, this option will never work, their gut is as big as a toothpick. They sailed to "show off", so to speak, to hold them in suspense. I am sure that even if there are 300 cattle on one of the two ships, then our anti-sabotage units of the Black Sea Fleet will also look after them, so that if something happens, they will be pulled by their "swimming trunks" ashore and shown on Channel 1 of these "Olympic guards". Of course, we should not relax, as they say in the stanitsa - "do not sleep a young Cossack, a Chechen is sitting behind a mountain."
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 6 February 2014 16: 15
      0
      Quote: IOwTZ
      our anti-sabotage subdivisions of the Black Sea Fleet, so that if something happens to pull them by the "swimming trunks" ashore and show these "Olympic guards" on Channel 1.
      Are you kidding me chtoli? Attack the US military? To cause an international scandal during the Olympics? This even the USSR could not afford.
      1. IOwTZ
        IOwTZ 6 February 2014 16: 29
        +2
        Quote: Greenwood
        Attack the US military?


        yes don't
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 7 February 2014 06: 02
          0
          I don’t know, but our rulers are still like that.
  44. Santa Fe
    6 February 2014 14: 58
    -3
    Perry frigates - one of the most beautiful ships in the world.





    The frigate passes by the memorial to the lost battleship Arizona, Pearl Harbor
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 6 February 2014 15: 19
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      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Perry frigates - one of the most beautiful ships in the world.

      I beg you ... Where did you find the beauty?
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 6 February 2014 16: 16
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        Greetings, Ilyich!
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Where did you find the beauty?

        "It is, it cannot but be ..." (c)
        If we are talking about a BATTLE SHIP at all.
        The architecture is of course slightly outdated. The end of the last century. But still - the beauty is obvious.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 6 February 2014 17: 18
          +4
          Quote: Ptah
          Greetings, Ilyich!
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Where did you find the beauty?
          "It is, it cannot but be ..." (c)
          If we are talking about a BATTLE SHIP at all.
          The architecture is of course slightly outdated. The end of the last century. But still - the beauty is obvious.

          Greetings, Ptah!
          It certainly tastes and tastes ...
          In my opinion, Amer’s ships always looked externally flawedly - tribute to functionality.
          Not without a shadow of pride, I think that the ships of the Soviet-Russian Navy looked and still look more attractive and elegant. I will add that Italian shipbuilders built more handsome men - the leader of "Tashkent" is a design "hit" of that time.
          1. Santa Fe
            6 February 2014 17: 23
            +3
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            In my opinion, Amer’s ships always looked externally flawedly - tribute to functionality.
          2. Santa Fe
            6 February 2014 17: 26
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            In my opinion, Amer’s ships always looked externally flawedly - tribute to functionality.

            Nuclear cruiser "Arkansas"
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 6 February 2014 18: 05
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              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              In my opinion, Amer’s ships always looked outwardly flawed - a tribute to functionality.
              Nuclear cruiser "Arkansas"

              I am old and lazy to lay out my proofs ...
              Take a word, since for almost 30 years I have the opportunity to regularly and "live" examine the masterpieces of world shipbuilding at sea - of all configurations and purposes. Both warships and civilian ships.
              hi
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          4. Ptah
            Ptah 6 February 2014 18: 05
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            Quote: stalkerwalker
            It certainly tastes and tastes ...

            What criteria should be used for comparison? The inclination of the stems, the "camber" of the sides, the height above the overhead line, the general ratio of length to width / height, equipment and weapons on the tank and forecastle ...
            Or maybe the country of the manufacturer?
            Stupid argument and extremely unproductive. My IMHO - all that survived a couple of ocean storms - is beautiful.
            For example, the Bundas military hard worker (Einsatzgruppenversorger) "BERLIN".
            Beautiful, brutal, functional and others ... hi
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            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 6 February 2014 18: 53
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              Quote: Ptah
              Beautiful, brutal, functional, etc.

              I will answer with a phrase from the film "Peculiarities of National Fishing" -
              "What do you understand about naval humor?" laughing
              A beautiful ship - like a beautiful woman, like at first sight. wassat
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 6 February 2014 18: 17
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      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Perry frigates - one of the most beautiful ships in the world.


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      One-to-one with frigates of the Bremen type.
      View "on board" I mean ...
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      1. Santa Fe
        6 February 2014 18: 42
        +1
        The Germans F219 did well





        More Narvizza Japanese Akizuki
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 7 February 2014 08: 15
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          The Germans F219 did well

          Still ... The latest project "Saxony". There are only three of them, like the Japanese.
          If we talk about the most modern architecture of deck superstructures, then in this regard, it seems to me, the most advanced shavers. With their Type-45 missile destroyers
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          Common with the Germans is the presence of an antenna in the form of "dominoes" ... laughing
  45. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 6 February 2014 16: 27
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    And to my mind inflamed with paranoia, a takak topic came to mind.
    Now around Sochi, a large air defense ring has been formed, stuffed with the latest means such as Pantsyr and S-400.
    Remembering the 2008 Olympics, suspicions arise that anything can happen, for example, a serious air attack on Olympic facilities (a few Alya's passenger planes on September 11), i.e. an event forcing the Russian air defense to open fire to destroy air targets. Thus, under the noble pretext of "protection from terrorists", two ships open the RF PVU system and receive overvalued information. Well, if (God forbid, of course) the Olympic flame ignites a Boeing that crashed into the stadium, then the readiness of transport workers in Germany to arrive at the scene of the tragedy within 2 hours is immediately explained.
  46. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 6 February 2014 16: 33
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    The version with two old ships doomed to "slaughter" is not excluded. Let's hope that the "opponents" have enough brains not to start first.
  47. Camouflet
    Camouflet 6 February 2014 16: 57
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    But it seems to me that you sent them there in order to at least somehow note. Like, look how cool we are.

    To wind them on screws of fishing nets yes more.
  48. nail1972
    nail1972 6 February 2014 17: 36
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    One hundred pounds "to the Maidan" sailed ... Looks like, without their help, the Benderlogs are watery against the golden eagle ...
  49. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 6 February 2014 18: 39
    +1
    Quote: Vladimirets
    "Within sight" is too close for "Moscow".

    Let's say that we’ll shoot a little with blanks, like a kinetic weapon. The rocket is heavy, enough of a couple of pigs to send to the bottom soldier
  50. delfinN
    delfinN 6 February 2014 18: 42
    +2
    Maybe this time over them Tu-160 in 2 sweeps to drive.