Bloody lesson. Reflections on the tragedy in the Moscow school number XXUMX

Moscow. Basmanny court. The final word of Sergey Gordeev:

Sorry about what happened. Let me go home to my parents.

The court of Gordeev did not release the parents ... Judge Natalya Mushnikova decided to detain an 15-year-old student in Moscow school No.263 (Otradnoe) in custody for a term of 2 a month because of its potential public danger due to serious crimes.

Bloody drama, as literally every person already knows, at least occasionally getting acquainted with Russian the news, played out at the beginning of the week (Monday, February 3). The result of this drama is known to many: the murder of a school teacher and a police officer by the same 15-year-old teenager, and another law enforcement officer was seriously injured. The details of the course of events just today can hardly be described for the simple reason that access to materials from video recording cameras in the educational institution for the media is closed, and the performance of numerous witnesses often contradict each other. A pile of details and confusion in eyewitness accounts have already led to the fact that “distinguished”, for example, “Komsomolskaya Pravda”, “hot on the heels” came out with a photo of the criminal, which had nothing to do with the real criminal Sergey Gordeev ...

Of those testimonies that are presented by eyewitnesses, as well as for those materials of surveillance cameras that have become available to journalists, the approximate picture of bloody Monday at school No. XXUMX looks like this (once again it is necessary to clarify - it is an approximate picture of events).

Pupil of 10 class Sergey Gordeev (excellent student, participant and winner of many subject olympiads, visitor of school circles and sections) on Sunday blocked access to his page on the social network and informed his parents that the first three lessons at school would not be on Monday; when 3 February came, Gordeev easily took from his father's safe to store weapons rifle Tikka T3, as well as the second unit of firearms (according to some sources this is a Browning self-loading rifle), several dozen rounds of ammunition for them. Dressed in a long coat, Gordeev proceeded to the school, barely holding very weighty trunks with his hands.



A teenager without any obstacles hit the school around 11: 40 (5 minutes after the start of the fourth lesson). According to 57-year-old security guard Yury Egorov, who was on duty at that moment, he himself (Egorov) was absent from the post (at the entrance) because he was walking around the building of the educational institution and was in the other wing of this building. The guard explained the purpose of the round as follows: look, the students didn’t get anywhere ...

Returning "from a detour," Yuri Yegorov saw a student in a coat (from the back) walking along the corridor and called him. According to the same Yegorov, Gordeyev put something on the floor and approached him, pointing the barrel of a small-caliber rifle (this is how the guard characterizes the weapon). The teenager said that it was not a joke, and that he did not come to school to talk with him (with the guard).

Yuri Egorov (employee of the private security company Saturn) quotes Gordeev (for Life News):

I know who I can figure out. And you went outside the gate.

After that, Gordeev proceeded to the office where the geography was going, and security guard Egorov, as he himself declares, went to the director (this description of events leads to certain thoughts about the security readiness for emergency situations) and already on duty pressed the alarm button.

If everything was exactly as Gordeev said, then this indirectly explains why, after a few minutes, the private security officers came to the office, in fact, unaware of the serious danger. What is an alarm button pressed at school? In most cases, for the representatives of the guard or the police, this is a signal that some of the students are simply hooligans, and not a signal that something really serious happens in school ...

What happened in the director's office when the guard “reached” him (or “got him” ...) is unclear ...

At this time, Gordeev was already knocking (according to the testimony of 10 “A” pupils of the class) at the door of the geography room, in which the lesson was taught by the teacher Andrei Kirillov. The geography teacher got up and opened the door himself. Sergei Gordeyev entered the office, his classmates met quite actively (someone clapped his hands, someone laughed), but the laughter quickly broke off when Gordeyev fired at the teacher. A teenager class was ordered to get under the desks and sit quietly, saying that they (classmates) were “like” hostages, but he would not kill them. After Gordeyev re-shot the teacher (as it turned out later, the first shot seriously wounded Andrei Kirillov, and the second shot Gordeyev killed him when he heard the rattle of an 30-year-old man lying on the floor of the office).

Then within a few minutes, Gordeyev (according to the evidence of schoolchildren numb in horror at the time) said that before the teacher was killed, he had already killed the guard, that he was sick of this life, that he was an adherent of the ideas of solipsism (philosophy, which man recognizes his only consciousness as the only reality), and that he wants to die in order to see what is “at the end” there. At the time of the "monologue" of the murderer, calls were made to his telephone, he answered, and the monologues turned into dialogues. Gordeyev spoke with his mother, with his grandmother, with his father.

When private security officers approached the door, he fired a carbine several times. One employee (Sergey Bushuev, born 1976) died on the spot, the other (Vladimir Krokhin) is still in extremely serious condition.

Gordeyev walked between the rows, periodically firing shots at the ceiling and continuing to talk about what he wanted to see what death was and what he was not going to give up.

At that time, when a helicopter of the Ministry of Emergency Situations began to fly up to the school, Gordeyev fired several shots at him from a weapon that he did not let go of.

In one of the telephone conversations with his father (after his father had learned about the tragedy being played out), the teenager declared that he agreed that Gordeyev Sr. would come to school. The father did appear at school a few minutes later (according to some information, he was wearing a bulletproof vest, as the police were afraid that Sergei might start shooting, despite family ties). The teenager's father entered the office without any special obstacles, talked with his son for quite a long time, after which Gordeyev told the students that they could leave the classroom. Then, he took the weapon from his son, threw him on the floor, and both came out of the audience, where police officers put handcuffs on Gordeev Jr.

Naturally, this incident caused a huge resonance. Numerous deputy and public proposals, ideas, remarks, which, to be honest, in the overwhelming majority of cases resemble either something resembling a frank self-PR or a banal fever connected with non-possession of information about the cause and the course of events, were immediately identified. Some spoke in favor of the need to necessarily equip school teachers with taking courses in bullet shooting. Others offered to open a service that will go home to schoolchildren and check which computer games they play. And someone said that it is imperative to involve the Russian youth in productions of the Theater for Young People ... Doctor of Medical Sciences Mikhail Vinogradov, in an interview with Interfax, in general “put an eye on i, giving literally the following: problems could have been avoided if Andrei Kirillov ( geography teacher) would allow Sergei Gordeev to retake ...

UNESECTS and giving teachers the opportunity for students to retake something is certainly great, but does this have a direct bearing on the tragedy that took place on Monday? .. Or if someone from modern young people does not attend theaters, and someone from modern teachers puts well-deserved, but not the highest mark (if at all the matter of marks-marks ...), then this is a reason for some to suspect an abnormality, and to blame others for provocation of a crime? .. If it were so, then all psychology would be easier to do turnips ...

Everyone rushed to discuss what they had, to put it mildly, not the most accurate information. If they initially talked about the fact that this allegedly the most unfortunate geography teacher put the four on Gordeev, and that Gordeyev allegedly decided to kill him for it, then it turned out that the geography teacher, as they say, was not at the wrong place at the wrong time . Gordeyev himself told about this at the first interrogation. The only incident (if you can call it that) that 10 “A” students of the 263 school could recall, which occurred between Gordeyev and geography teacher Kirillov, is that their classmate supposedly noticed an inaccuracy expressed by the teacher some time ago. After that, Gordeev rarely attended the lessons of Andrei Kirillov. Well, if the teaching inaccuracy could be a reason for the massacre for Gordeev, then what can be said about the education of this young man, and the size of cockroaches in his head ...

Some time after the arrest, the “shooter”, who at the time of the commission of the crime presented himself either as the master of other people's destinies, or as a fearless cowboy, was taken to the first interrogation. And, figuratively speaking, Gordeev put in his pants - he closed in on himself, without uttering a word. A long silence was replaced by a request to bring him tea and biscuits (!) And call for a conversation a teacher of Russian language and literature, who led these subjects in the 263 school in the very same 10 "A" class.

Cookies with tea were given to Gordeev, the teacher was brought ... Already after the killer’s conversation with the Russian teacher Tatiana Babkina, it turned out (at least, Babkin herself said so) that Sergey did not go to the geographer, but to her ... And prove that she was wrong when she said that there is more good in this world than evil. The teacher noted that Sergey was supposedly walking only for his own death, but again, supposedly did not want to kill anyone. Gordeeva she called conflict-free, but very irritable.



Pupils of school №263 say that Sergey was often visited by his grandmother, who was waiting for the end of classes and his grandson behind the school fence. Gordeyev was very shy about this, tried to go home alone, shouted at an elderly woman, seeing that the arrival of her grandmother was mocking her classmates.

In general, all this bloody storyin which such moments as “I don’t want to live”, but “I want tea with cookies”, “supporter of solipsism”, but “let me go home,” grandmother’s parishes to meet a tenth-grandson, irritated by inaccuracies of the teacher, say that the teenage stage of growing up was extremely difficult for Gordeev. Icons in his room (a neighbor talks about them) and computer games in which you can easily kill everyone who gets in the way, words about the philosophy of egocentrism and fear of revealing both to peers and parents and teachers are the set of contradictions that clearly a teenager. There was a lack of public recognition, feeling, own “toughness” ... And then the picture - an excellent student with two trunks - “cool”, - apparently, Gordeev thought this way, making up a plan in his hot head and being in the “live until Monday” stage.

His position seems to be described in no other way than “I am the navel of the Earth, my position is the only correct criticism or negative assessment of my position — the verdict from me personally” rested on an objective and unjustifiable (not condemnable, but not for himself) dependence on senior (parents and teachers). If the majority of adolescents, even if not always cloudless, overcome all the difficulties of the period of maturation, then the Gordeev of those who could not overcome. The great inner world did not get along with the obvious weakness. The принято asleep mind, as they say, gave birth to monsters ... Another excellent student syndrome: there is no room for error, all or nothing, I and only me. Frequent practice in this case is suicide, and Sergey Gordeev also thought about suicide, but in a very peculiar manner - to go for his own death through the death of others. Yes, just chickened out! He was afraid of death ... Whether talking to his father, or realizing the reality of the picture of bloody corpses gave a sobriety pill. However, late ...

But this, if I may say so, psychological lyrics. And what is the reality?

In reality, an adolescent’s access with obvious problems of a psychological (or mental) nature to a weapon is a no less obvious omission in parental upbringing (now hyper, or some strange detachment). In addition - to put it mildly, unprofessional actions of the protection of the school. Protection of schools and other facilities has long been the talk of the town. They say that little protection is paid to protection, and therefore they are gaining retirees or people (often women), of pre-retirement age, who are not eager to perform their direct duties zealously. The guards are for show, the guards are simply not ready for such a development of events as the “murderous apprentice” “suggested” ...

Is Gordeev's crime a trend? Hardly. Someone from this tragedy would like to concoct a trend is a fact. But ... People with obvious kinks whose brains are clouded with nightmares of their own “composition” have been at all times. There were disgusting maniacs, and share-boys, who could kill only because their parents did not let go to the disco or did not buy them an expensive toy. Thank God, such a minority. But they were and, sadly enough, they will be ... Is it possible to make it so that they are not - unfortunately, it looks more like a utopia. And any utopia is beautiful and noble, but no more ...

Yes - Gordeev played computer games. Ban games? But millions of other people also play computer games, and often find in them a reason to throw out negative emotions in the “virtual”, without transferring them to reality. Bloody games are a fact. And again, but ... If tens of thousands of people die in traffic accidents on the roads of Russia every year, then this is not a reason for banning cars? .. If people are killed every day from a Kalashnikov machine gun, is it worth talking about a ban on Kalash? As Kalashnikov himself said: it is not a weapon that shoots, a person shoots.

Yes - he expressed irritation with the remarks of the elders, but millions of other teenagers also express irritations, they can become isolated or, on the contrary, behave aggressively. Is this a reason to send all adolescents to a psychiatric clinic? .. But at the same time, this is not a reason for not paying any attention to the inappropriate behavior of a teenager.

To variations of parental education is a question, like a question, and to medical commissions, which due to their age were held by Gordeyev, to professional educators, who worked closely with Gordeev, are also questions. If neither the parents, nor the medical psychologists, nor the teachers saw those monsters in the adolescent’s head that led him to crimes, then either he is a terrific actor, or there was a banal “finger-raising” or even lack of professionalism. On the other hand, the vigilance of the aforementioned syndrome of an excellent student could also manifest itself. Like, an excellent botanist, what to take from him - will mature! Only now Gordeev will grow up in another place, and the lives that he has taken away from people will not be returned by any kind of maturation.

It is possible to search for the last in this case for a very long time, but is this the main thing? The easiest way, of course, is to blame the teacher or director, the manufacturers of computer toys, self-loading rifles, the creators of social networks or the Gordeevs' neighbors on the porch ... But it would be better to weigh everything cold (as far as possible with your head) and take measures that are not only " here and now ", but also systematically. Which will not force, but will anticipate. Do not push the next legislative fever, do not hit "on the road and sloppiness" with a bureaucratic scale, do not bend! - that's the main thing today. But then, the prosecutor’s office is already working in almost every educational institution, and even with the appearance that all teachers are provocateurs of criminal activity of schoolchildren, and all students are criminals ... With regard to the effectiveness of this particular method of dealing with potential crimes and offenses of the nature, which was demonstrated in Otradnoe, there are big doubts.

PS With regard to Gordeev, a criminal case was initiated under the articles "hostage taking", "murder" and "encroachment on the life of a law enforcement officer."

Sergey Gordeev’s mother refused to represent her son in court.

Such is the result of solipsism ...

The publication "Military Review" expresses condolences to the families and friends of the victims.

Comments

[Name]

Let the investigators sort out the reasons that prompted the 10th grader to murder (he will most likely go to the "durka"), but that's why the guard missed it and why he is there in principle.

[Sunjar]

Quote: name

why the guard missed and why is he there in principle

Because, despite his old age, he wanted to save his life. And you cannot blame him for this. Personally, would you throw yourself at a weapon? Would you give your life by adding only one more dead person to this story, but without changing anything?

But the fact that the father did not properly store the weapons did not monitor the state of his son - this is really important.

[Snoop]

But the guard could even call the police on his cell phone and report that the problem was with a teenager with firearms. And not just press a button. On the other hand, what did he do when the staff approached? I would inform them already directly.

[artifox]

Quote: Snoop

But the guard could even call the police on his cell phone and report that the problem was with a teenager with firearms. And not just press a button. On the other hand, what did he do when the staff approached? I would inform them already directly.

Well, judging by the fact that the police went to the office where he was - they knew where to go. And most likely just from the guard. Another question is why they were unprepared for the shots ... We won’t know this anymore ...

[Siberia 9444]

They are only ready to suck dust pockets to law-abiding tax payers!

[Karlsonn]

Sorry for the off-top .
Vitaly Churkin is trolling Samantha Power:

Representatives of Russia and the United States at the UN exchanged taunts after the American ambassador invited Pussy Riot members to a meeting. In response, Russia's envoy Vitaly Churkin invited his colleague to join the punk band and organize a series of joint performances in religious centers around the world.

The meeting with members of the punk band in New York was organized at the initiative of Samantha Power, US representative to the UN. Curtis Cooper, an official of the American mission, later said that during the “no more than half an hour conversation” they discussed “disturbing trends in Russia in the field of criminal law, as well as government actions aimed at suppressing dissent and fighting public organizations that protect basic human rights” .
In response to a request from journalists to comment on this event, the representative of the Russian Federation at the UN Vitaly Churkin said that he was surprised that the American ambassador had not yet joined the punk group. “I think she could arrange for them to speak at the National Cathedral in Washington or even go on a world tour together,” the Russian diplomat suggested. According to Vitaly Churkin, the program of such a tour could be quite extensive. “First St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, then maybe Mecca in Saudi Arabia, and as a result a gala concert at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem,” he listed. “I will be disappointed if Ambassador Power fails to do this.”

[Saburov]

Ordinary, I'm sorry for the expression that I couldn’t put myself in my environment, this often happens, such people very often try to go to senior positions, then to recoup on subordinates, I had three such prosecutors from the class now in 79, yes bosses, although I both sent them, I still send them in spite of their status, because they remained so nerds.

[core]

is it a police co-op, the guard came to school, how should they behave, throw grenades at the office? the best they could do was not get involved. and wait for the negotiator, and better a woman. we still have a normal mentality pack, WE DO NOT SHOOT WOMEN.

[stranik72]

core
"we still have a normal mentality .."
They should have arrived in bulletproof vests, the instruction so requires. So our mentality is sometimes expensive for us.

[Andreitas]

All is correct. I myself worked for several years in this system, and saw how the staff of the PSB work. As a rule, they come to alarm without body armor and helmets (they remain in the car). Hands in pockets, machine gun behind. Complete relaxation, and the absence of a sense of danger. Of course there were normal crews, but this is rare.

[Shur]

Those. it's not professionalism .. just not "level".

[Shur]

In the reports they say. that the vest did not help, then it was .. (or began to be). And then, maybe he is a Voroshilov shooter? And the head and neck .. not in defense.

[core]

the bullet hit the shoulder, side, in an unprotected place. HIS MAJESTY CASE.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Snoop

But the guard could call the police on his cell phone and inform

It turns out the problem is in the guard! Yes, he certainly did everything as you, very corny, suggest.
It's just who's guarding there ... Grandfathers and grandmothers of God dandelions, like the school watchman from the movie "Big Change", without any powers (and skills), except to press a button ...
So the police did not expect, it is clear that the young man will immediately start shooting at them. Without many words...
The situation has changed, we need a security system, and not only at school.
We need the activity of citizens, cooperation with the police, and the restriction of propaganda not only of homosexuality, but of various fucking ideas and much more. The current security guards in 90% of cases - this is a quirk or money laundering, and in 10% for general order and complacency.

[Canep]

The guard, according to many, is to blame because he remained alive.

[Shur]

You can't put it that way, it's hard to judge. Suppose a brother said the local "brothers" are suitable, such as a friend, brother, matchmaker, they know let me pass or something else, but it is not allowed. He refuses politely, says all questions outside the territory. And there, according to the contingent, it is clear that they were not limited to the first trip, under the "gas" sometimes "fuss" begins, different topics, assaults, etc. And where is the guarantee that they will not put on the knife corny? I also spoke to him on .. you need it .. He says if you take it, then you need to work normally or just leave. And then he left. And the criminal situation in our Republic of Tatarstan is the same .. Especially in the youth community.

[Snoop]

It turns out ... did you carefully read the thread? The man replied that the guard wanted to live, so he didn’t jump on the trunk, I answered I could at least give more details about the problem.

[niki233]

with the current police, no one who is sober-minded who has at least once encountered her will not cooperate.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: niki233

with the current police, no one who is sober-minded who has at least once encountered her will not cooperate.

Kamrad answer, only honestly, if you can:

- How often did you come across our police and under what circumstances?

looks carefully

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Karlsonn

looks carefully

Something "left-handed" is too much.

[rereture]

It seemed to me that they can shoot both from the right shoulder and from the left.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: rereture

It seemed to me that they can shoot both from the right shoulder and from the left.

Carlsson knows ... Can clarify.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Carlsson knows ... Can clarify.

Their photographer asked them to stand up so that the picture was photogenic, well, in general, training in shooting from the "wrong" shoulder is regular, and single-point with three-point belts, as it were, also hint that the weapon will be used depending on the situation, for example, when avoiding obstacles (buildings , car - anything) clockwise the weapon moves to point-blank on the left shoulder; there are also a lot of combat countermeasures, both here and abroad, based on the fact that the enemy is right-handed, which means that the classic schemes must be broken in order to more effectively send the enemy to the country of the Eternal Hunt.

[alleksSalut4507]

and what else to do. the main thing is well-fed. don’t brush off cockroaches with kayla.

[31231]

Have you collaborated with her? May I have a closer look?

[Karlsonn]

Quote: 31231

Have you collaborated with her?

You could say that, but does it surprise you?

Quote: 31231

May I have a closer look?

Why are you interested in?

[Shur]

Not for everyone, yes. My brother worked conscientiously. Constantly stuck with the local punks. He had nowhere to go like a disabled person. But he is such a disabled person, as in the famous film, "Who is disabled here, well, me, why should I?" He got away from the fact that there is no protection, and there the drug dealers hang around, threaten. And he was on the bird's rights. You have to live, that's how it worked. And he built all sorts of greyhounds, too, "Like, yes, I hear I'll pass, right?" In one school, after school, there was a showdown on the territory. A total of one 200 and a pair of 300 .. Gone again. When he ran up to separate it, it was too late. First of all, he waited for the students to pass, and only then ran to the other side of the territory where the "battle" was going on. But who cares, the incident, and there was a guard? You can't call the place quiet there. Constantly calling out the outfit. But while they arrived, they sometimes raised them. Yes, and he got it.

[alleksSalut4507]

quirk and grabbing money admitted to the tender.

[Anper]

Quote: Alekseev

need a security system

No security system will prevent the molecular civil war that has been going on for a long time in the West - multiple and seemingly senseless violence at all levels, from family and school to the top of the state. It is not organized by any party and does not pursue any goals. Even impossible to reassure it by satisfying some needs. Nobody directly puts forward them, and they are so contradictory that no middle ground can be found. Violence and destruction as an end in itself is a disease of the so-called. liberal society. There is only one hope for the Slavic mentality and that the media will not cover such school topics - teenagers are very prone to imitate, and this news is like a catalyst for the next disadvantaged by something or someone.

[Draz]

I called the 112 number ... 30 min is busy, well, the situation was not so explosive (without weapons).
The guard was probably at a loss, for he was not ready to be a student! Will come with a gun.
Perhaps he could turn around and pretend that he was leaving, and when the teenager turns away and attacks him from the back, but what has been done, you will not return it ... Too late to talk about how he could act or could not.

[Shur]

When I went to see my brother at the school where he worked as a security guard, I constantly saw how some students "like children", show aggression to put it mildly. He says yes, I don't pay attention anymore. Those who can really do something he knew and for them and their friends from the yard constantly kept watch. So it is difficult to keep track of, the window will be opened, just anyone, then they will fight themselves, then they will strangle someone. In general, there is enough. But many guards simply "don't notice" this.

[Hort]

Yes, not the fact that he stored incorrectly. The son could well know where the keys to the safe are

[Tersky]

Quote: hort

The son could well know where the keys to the safe are

Papik had to carry the keys to the safe with him, and not stick them in the house, where he had learned all his son’s caches for 15 years as our Father. I have keys on my common bundle and are always with me, although the children are already under thirty. However, the grandchildren are growing up ...

[Canep]

It’s better not to keep weapons at home. If you are afraid that someone will attack you, put an iron door. Using a firearm, even for self-defense, this is a 99% criminal case, with the defender landing.

So that this does not become a regular occurrence in America, the guy should be imprisoned for the maximum term (although he would have looked at the tag, he would have been older than any lawyer and would not have dismissed him) and removed the dock about him in a year or two. a film with all the details of his stay in the zone and showing it to the widest public.

[rereture]

Sorry, but you will not say where to store the weapon and how to use it.

[Siberia 9444]

Totally agree with you rereture!

[31231]

Sorry, but you will not say where to store the weapon and how to use it.

There is a law that says that. And everyone must observe it. Only here for the violation, not many are responsible.
Why do I, having access to explosive materials, realize the responsibility for their theft by an outsider and do not allow this?

[rereture]

Because you are responsible in this matter.

[Tersky]

Quote: Canep

It’s better not to keep weapons at home.

An interesting point .. And where do you think the hunter should keep it, is it not in the gun of the local Ministry of Internal Affairs?

Quote: Canep

If you are afraid that someone will attack you, put an iron door

For one, do not forget the iron windows, the minefield, and the Bruno spiral around the perimeter ...

[Canep]

Quote: Tersky

For one, do not forget the iron windows, the minefield, and the Bruno spiral around the perimeter ...

Well, I don’t have SUCH persecution mania, if it seems to you that all this is necessary, then please, you don’t need to put mines, the police will not understand, I recommend that I limit myself to an electrified fence.

[Tersky]

Quote: Canep

Well, I don’t have SUCH persecution mania, if it seems to you that all this is necessary

Sergey, I didn’t give advice

Quote: Canep

If you’re afraid that someone will attack you, put an iron door,

, I just continued the topic of your not quite successful comment. So do not take it as personal. !

[Hort]

very interesting, but where do you need to store weapons ?! Especially if you take into account the requirements of the federal law "On weapons"?

As for the use of a firearm, if it is used in a house / apartment or in a manor - i.e. On the territory of the defender and will be used to suppress the attack (not theft), there will be no landing, although the nerves shake + condition can give

[Canep]

If there will be 200, landing arrow is provided. Let 2 years but have to sit.

[Hort]

it will depend on the lawyer. Although if they do the 200th through the door, then 105 of the Criminal Code is definitely

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Canep

If there will be 200, landing arrow is provided. Let 2 years but have to sit.

Lies!

... in half of the registered cases of the use of LLC in the Moscow region last year, only half were recognized as criminal, despite the fact that the authorities have a pronounced negative attitude against LLC ...

...Amur Region, January 31, IA “Port Amur”. Russian Minister of the Interior Vladimir Kolokoltsev supported the petition of Amur public men to reward Khabarovsk police officers who opened fire on hooligans. ...

[Hort]

Well, there’s a little bit different things: OOP is a rubberblower, and we talked about hunting)

[Karlsonn]

Quote: hort

Well, there’s a little bit different things: OOP is a rubberblower, and we talked about hunting)

Miles sorry, I was completely fooled at work who has something to hurt, but nevertheless, with our legislation on self-defense, only half of the cases of injuries were recognized as criminal, and this is also an indicator, although I admit that the firearm is another caliber.

[core]

ANSWER THAT BETTER CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY, OR A DEAD FAMILY, BUT BY LAW.

[Canep]

Quote: core

ANSWER THAT BETTER CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY, OR A DEAD FAMILY, BUT BY LAW.

I do not understand, in Russia, that there is still a gangster mess? To listen to you with Tersky, you come to the conclusion that you regularly have to shoot back from bandits, and the police do not come to calls at all, or just to count the 200s and 300s. Or for you to call the police not in a patsansky way? I am 42 years old and with arms in my hands I had to protect my family only in the army. And I live in a rather criminal city of Ekibas. Believe me, you have many times more chances to lose your family in a car accident, and no one will refuse the car from you. And then if the bandits decide, God forbid, to kill, then you will not even have time to reach your gun.
You won’t carry the barrel with you everywhere, it’s only possible to use it at home, but if you’re at home, close and call the police.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Canep

And then if the bandits decide, God forbid, to kill, then you will not even have time to reach your gun.
You won’t carry the barrel with you everywhere, it’s only possible to use it at home, but if you’re at home, close and call the police.

As practice shows, your words are very controversial:

...Five hooligans, having beaten the police, dragged them into the vestibule and tried to throw them off the train on the go. Fortunately for law enforcement officers, the train just approached the Grushevoy station.
Then the bandits, having taken the service weapon from one of the policemen, returned to the car, took money and documents from civilian passengers, took away several helmets and bulletproof vests from the soldiers, and jumped out onto the platform.
Four out of five young people decided to take possession of the car and hide on it, because, despite the strongest intoxication, they began to realize that this spree for them would not end safely.
The fifth, apparently the most insane, remained on the train, where he was detained.
Four of his accomplices broke into one of the houses near the station to demand a car from the owners. However, only the 15-year-old girl was in the house. Without thinking twice, scumbags took her hostage, and demanded to take her to a house where there is a car.
The child took the bandits to the neighbors, where the last act of this criminal drama broke out.
On the threshold of uninvited guests met the landlord, according to police, previously convicted. Threatening with weapons, the bandits demanded his car keys. There were small children in the house, and the owner, fearing that the four scumbags would not stop at the keys to the car, decided to resist them.
Grabbing a stool, he literally split it on the head of one of the attackers. The second bandit shot at the owner, injuring him in the leg, but the man grabbed a knife from the table, and several times hit him who shot in response. ...

Quote: Canep

I do not understand, in Russia, that there is still a gangster mess?

Is this news for you?

Sagra, the village of Kushchevskaya and so on. etc..

[core]

you apparently live on the green line. either on the ruble behind the barrier. and do not know that pensioners are killed and crippled with a hammer for 100 rubles at the entrance.
that it’s no longer possible to go into nature without a gun, spend the night in a tent.

[nerd.su]

Quote: core

that it’s no longer possible to go into nature without a gun, spend the night in a tent.

Oops! Are you going to nature in Izmailovsky Park? If you want, I will advise you on routes, if in two weeks you meet people more than once, then you’re in a busy season

[Walk]

I live in Krasnoyarsk. About thirty years I’ve been traveling to nature. For all the time not a single excess with inadequate. True, the last few years began to get on jet skis. Previously, they didn’t get to the places where I usually go to rest, but now they have bred like cockroaches.

[core]

here for the brothers of Kazakhs they are preparing a new revolution, as in Ukraine. that's where the revelry begins. Kazakhs are a nomadic nation and they are normal people while the power is strong and sane. But it will be like in Ukraine. you can’t drive along the roads in Kazakhstan, EVERYTHING IS STEPPE AND NEARBY, MY. WHO MAKES GOT THAT AND THE MAIN WILL. And believe me, you won’t meet any police, all your police will guard the current BOSOV.

[Shur]

I don't believe it, not even once. Crime news is sometimes shocked, I don’t know how it is in Ekibastuz, but in the Republic of Tatarstan, this is in complete order. Plus, the "true" ones add color. There are many times more domestic crime in the republics.
When there was no limit, I went to work with an awl.

[rc56]

It is true: "It is better for me to be judged by twelve than by six!"

[Karlsonn]

Quote: rc56

It is true: "It is better for me to be judged by twelve than by six!"

Agree , we even consider sporting achievements (titles, regalia) the court will consider aggravating circumstances if, during a fight or attack, one of the attackers leaves for a good hunting country.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Canep

It’s better not to keep weapons at home.

Respected Canep tell me what to do for those who are supposed to use personal weapons by the type of service (about hunters, collectors, weapon lovers and others have already written comrades below)?
Maybe we will remove all the parking lots outside the city, and when issuing the car to the owner we will conduct a medical check - thereby solve the problem of drunken people on the roads? Since, according to statistics, the most widespread murder weapon among native aspens is a knife, can we forbid knives to hell and will we give out one knife for the front door, and two for the village?

Quote: Canep

The use of a firearm, even for self-defense, is in 99% a criminal case, with the landing of the defender.

Why is this ridiculous exaggeration? Yes, we have imperfect legislation regarding self-defense, but the situation is far from 99%.

Quote: Canep

To prevent this from happening

To avoid this, it is necessary to solve a huge number of complex problems, I will list only the obvious ones:
- solve the problem with the district (their number, salary, amount of work and professionalism) so that monitoring compliance with the rules for storing weapons is not reduced to a check and a signature;
- pay attention to the development in the country of a culture of handling personal weapons;
- approach the problem of protecting schools not from the commercial side (like, let’s introduce metal detectors in schools (my company is ready to start deliveries)), but from a practical one;
- yes, there should be state propaganda and a movie on the first channel in prime time is a great idea; there is much more, but writing a sheet is too lazy.

[Canep]

Then YESAA, it looks like the cops have weapons for beauty. In Kazakhstan, it seems calmer. And what is it every day in Russia?

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Canep

Then YESAA, it looks like the cops have weapons for beauty.

There is no beauty, but it is not necessary to dump everything in a heap - both the police, and self-defense, and cases of banditry, and this case.

Quote: Canep

In Kazakhstan, it seems calmer.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Canep

And what is it every day in Russia?

Ukraine, in Kharkov, on North Saltovka, near the Klass supermarket on 36 Commandarka Street, in the evening of November 28 the collector's car was shot. Two employees of the State Guard died.

[Canep]

You forgot about Chelakh, 15 corpses! But what does this have to do with street crime that can be defended against with a gun, or do you seriously think you can prevent a bank robbery with a gun? And then you say to the police, - "and I walked past the bank from the hunt ..."
By the way the huntsman on Arkankergen a gun didn’t help; he was also killed.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Canep

You forgot about Chelakh, 15 corpses!

I was not going to post the entire criminal report on our countries over the past decade.

Quote: Canep

Just what does this have to do with street crime, from which you can protect yourself with weapons

I reasonably showed that banditry has a place to be both in Russia, and in Kazakhstan, and in Ukraine.

Quote: Canep

or do you seriously believe that you can prevent a bank robbery with a gun?

I seriously believe that if the few hunting rifles that were on hand in Sagra would not be stored at home (as you suggest), but somewhere else this would lead to mass casualties.

Before writing naive, I recommend thinking about the situation from different angles.

Quote: Canep

By the way the huntsman on Arkankergen a gun didn’t help; he was also killed.

I will allow myself to develop from your argument a logical chain:

- Germans who defended Berlin did not even save tanks with howitzers ...

[nerd.su]

Quote: Karlsonn

I reasonably showed that banditry has a place to be both in Russia, and in Kazakhstan, and in Ukraine.

I agree, but you just as reasonably proved that the presence of weapons does not save from an armed criminal. And the offender, if the rates suit him, the possibility of receiving an armed rebuff does not stop. But the likelihood that if you have a trunk, they will quickly overwhelm you, equal to almost 100%. Collectors then survive poorly ...

[Karlsonn]

Quote: bot.su

I agree, but you just as reasonably proved that the presence of weapons does not save from an armed criminal.

This is so.

Quote: bot.su

And the offender, if the rates suit him, the possibility of receiving an armed rebuff does not stop.

In this case, we are talking about something else:
- the comrade proposes to ban the storage of gunshots at home in general, which I am very surprised; Cases of an attack on collectors of armed gangs were cited in response to this statement.

Quote: Canep

I do not understand, in Russia, that there is still a gangster mess?

Quote: bot.su

But the likelihood that if you have a trunk, you will simply be overwhelmed quickly, equal to almost 100%. Collectors then survive poorly ...

we there again about something else:
- It’s one thing to attack collectors and completely different when people in Sagra (and in other similar cases) were saved from physical violence only by firearms, personal weapons.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Karlsonn

- the comrade proposes to ban the storage of gunshots at home in general,

And, yes, I looked above, it really doesn’t offer a case.

I don’t know what Sagra saved from there. After a fight in our time, everyone without a lawyer refuses to speak, and they smoothly lay with a lawyer ...

But, in any case, in Russia there is no need for a legal short-barrel, and let anyone who wants to have hunting weapons.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: bot.su

But, in any case, in Russia there is no need for a legal short-barrel, and let anyone who wants to have hunting weapons.

Kamrad - absolutely agree with you.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Canep

And what is it every day in Russia?

Dear, maybe not every day, maybe not even every month ... But if every thirty years a person protects someone from a trick, it will be good. You probably don’t listen to the reports?
It is time to instill responsibility at the level of fear of a shot at a turnip. The state should clearly understand that a 15-year-old trickster who thumps at night with friends is much less valuable than a law-abiding citizen returning home and having the misfortune to meet them. If the parents did not explain to the child that so good and what is bad ...

[Walk]

- solve the problem with the district (their number, salary, amount of work and professionalism) so that monitoring compliance with the rules for storing weapons is not reduced to a check and a signature;

Just do not about the district. For information:
1. The salary of district police officers is higher than that of an opera, with the same rank.
2. The ceiling ranks at the precinct above. So, some operas have to be temporarily fictitiously transferred to district police officers in order to get the next rank, which limits the ceiling of the post.
3. The precinct in most cases are not involved in work at all. Just for show.
I once went to the district police officers in my area. Three elephants in the last stage of obesity are sitting and talking "through the lip". until he explained to them who paints the radishes in the ground red, they didn't even raise their seats.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Walk

3. The precinct in most cases are not involved in work at all. Just for show.
I once went to the district police officers in my area. Three baby elephants in the last stage of obesity are sitting and talking through the lip.

Comrade, I had exactly that in mind.

Quote: Karlsonn

- solve the problem with the district (their number, salary, amount of work and professionalism) so that the control of compliance with the rules for storing weapons is not reduced to a tick and a signature;

[core]

DO YOU NOT DRINK? you don’t go to the toilet, you don’t sleep with your wife, you don’t wash in the bath, and the keys on a pin to the coward’s firs are pinned? DO NOT RESCUE.

[Walk]

It's not about who does what and how. Simply, in my opinion, if you have a weapon at home, you must be aware of the responsibility for ensuring that the weapon does not fall into the wrong hands. I don’t remember the exact quote, but Vysotsky-Zhiglov absolutely correctly said in the film that there are no unjustly punished people, and if the character of Jurassic correctly stored his weapons and sorted out his women, then nothing would have happened. In this case, not with women, but paid more attention to his son.

[ed65b]

Quote: Tersky

Quote: hort

The son could well know where the keys to the safe are

Papik had to carry the keys to the safe with him, and not stick them in the house, where he had learned all his son’s caches for 15 years as our Father. I have keys on my common bundle and are always with me, although the children are already under thirty. However, the grandchildren are growing up ...

this is how the card will fall, Pomazuna remember.

[matross]

Quote: Tersky

I have keys on my common bundle and are always with me, although the children are already under thirty. However, the grandchildren are growing up ...

And in a dream, you clench them in a fist? In a family, if you don’t trust someone, it’s better not to have a weapon at all, you won’t follow ... I forgot, got sick, walked away for a minute, etc. The problem is not that dad h.erovo hid the keys, but that h.erovo raised his son.

[Scoun]

Quote: Tersky

Dad should have

I had to raise my son and not raise a "nerd" sorry, of course, but

Pupils of school number 263 say that his grandmother often came for Sergey, who was waiting for the end of classes and a grandson outside the school fence. Gordeev was very shy about this, tried to go home alone, shouted at an elderly woman, seeing that the arrival of his grandmother caused ridicule from classmates.

Naturally, this generates everything in the teenage mind (where hormones are raging)

There was a lack of public recognition, feelings, their own "steepness" ... And then the picture - an excellent pupil with two trunks - “cool”, - apparently, Gordeev thought so, drawing up a plan in his hot head and being in the stage of “We'll Live Until Monday”.

And the "seeds" for such terrible crap are sown by the media, savoring the breakvik and other "shooters"
Chasing the "fried news"

eg, "Komsomolskaya Pravda", "in hot pursuit" came out with a photo of the criminal, which is to the real criminal Sergey Gordeev had nothing to do ...

It is necessary to punish the media for such zeal.

[31231]

Well, at that! Dad is not to blame. He raised him and hid the keys. And in spite of him, his son was not brought up and found the keys. If you are not sure about your son, then bring the keys to the bank cell. Judging by the trunks, the pope had money for a bank cell and there was no time to look after his son and weapons.
Why does a gross violation of traffic rules qualify for killing by negligence, and with careless storage of weapons does not qualify?

[Name]

Quote: Sunjar

, wanted to save his life. And you cannot blame him for this. Personally, would you throw yourself at a weapon? They would give their lives

Since 2002 of the year, he has been guarding everything in security structures: objects, people, goods ... He is a security guard, otherwise why is he there ... a. The scope of basic duties in this case includes (in short):
-Providing personnel safety;
- ensuring the safety of material values;
- ensuring the safety of equipment at the guarded facility.

[Hon]

Quote: name

Since 2002, he has been guarding everything in security structures: objects, people, goods ... He is a security guard, otherwise why is he there ... a. The scope of the main responsibilities in this case includes (in short): - ensuring the safety of personnel; - ensuring the safety of material assets; - ensuring the safety of equipment at the guarded facility.

work for 20 tr per month, in fact, such protection is the usual watchman watchmen. Do you require feats from them? you can take or hire a private security officer a level higher with weapons, etc. but it is much more expensive.

[Name]

Quote: Hon

? you can take or hire a private security officer a level higher with weapons

[i] [i] no comments [/ i] [i] [/ i]

[Name]

Quote: Hon

or hire a chop level up with weapons

Tolerance is juvenile, Egyptian city .... tolerance with juvenile ...They must be sure TOUCHLESS!

[Hon]

Quote: name

Tolerance in our country Juvenile, Egyptian city .... tolerance with juvenility ... They must be sure of the untouchability!

What are you talking about?

[Walk]

What are you all about salary? Not happy - look for another job. But one must fulfill one's duties, especially if the safety of people depends on their fulfillment.

[Hon]

Quote: Walk

What are you all about salary? Not happy - look for another job. But one must fulfill one's duties, especially if the safety of people depends on their fulfillment.

And he fulfilled his duties. He called the police, raised the alarm. More is not required of him. If you read the instructions of such guards, then they are even forbidden to use force. Moreover, what could he do against an armed man? Order posthumously receive?

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Sunjar

Quote: name

why the guard missed and why is he there in principle

Because, despite his old age, he wanted to save his life. And you cannot blame him for this. Personally, would you throw yourself at a weapon? Would you give your life by adding only one more dead person to this story, but without changing anything?

But the fact that the father did not properly store the weapons did not monitor the state of his son - this is really important.

Why then went to the guard. This is a job where it is guaranteed that you have to risk your life. They are therefore hired to work so that they take risks. A guard dressed up when he saw the trunk and that's the whole answer.

[Scoun]

Quote: Geisenberg

A guard dressed up when he saw the trunk and that's the whole answer.

The guard "got away" let us pass (that he was supposed to shoot at the child? And most likely he has no weapon) pressed the panic button, the outfit arrived - but the outfit did not expect that our child would start shooting at them like in a nightmare.
(((((

What is a pressed alarm button in an educational institution? In most cases, for representatives of the guard or the police, this is a signal that one of the students is simply hooligan, and not a signal that something more than serious is really happening at school ...

[Algor73]

"... But the fact that the father improperly stored the weapon, did not monitor the condition of his son - this is really important."
So almost all gun owners keep weapons. But this is not so important, since it is impossible to trace everything. And the guard’s behavior is not so important. Another thing is important. Previously, we gasped and gasped, reading the news about America, what is happening there in their schools. And now with us. So something is wrong. And not only in the process of education. Probably in the upbringing problemma. And you can’t do it on your own. We need a nationwide program, so that education comes from the kindergarten, and not as it is now - the parents are to blame. Everyone is to blame. School should not give only one knowledge. first of all, teachers were transferred. But the trouble is the race for the ruble.

[core]

do you have an adult son? if there is, then you must understand that living in the same house you can not save everything in SECRETS. the father could not carry the safe to work. do not repeat television nonsense. if needed. then the child will come up with a hundred reasons to hold the keys to the safe in his hands.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: core

the father could not carry the safe to work.

Did you come up with a digital (code) lock yesterday?

[222222]

1. What is the guard at the entrance of the school for? Do not miss outsiders respectable citizens.
2. What is written by the guard in the instructions in case of penetration of an armed criminal? Naturally try to press the panic button. Private security -3- 5 minutes should be in place and not jump on a gun .. When he was at the time he himself instructed his guards (but not the school)
3. What are the school guards armed with? At best, with a baton .. At best, can stop a drunkard ..
4. Is it possible for one person to protect the school as an object? the answer is predictable .. I wouldn’t go through the door, I would crawl out the window ..
5 And the main question is whether schools are protected from more serious intrusions and actions? ..... A serious organization is able to penetrate any object .. To minimize the threat ..
6.What is the reason for the crime of a successful student ..? Demoralization of society .. Career-money-movie-zombie box ... But, "mani-money money" as Abba sang, first of all .. NOT MORALITY in the first place, but money ... (prestigious university-career ..) ..
7. By whom, Why is society demoralized? ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 222222

The demoralization of society .. Career -money -kino-zombie box ...

Well, still very "kind" computer toys. As far as I know, in the USA and Europe, blood in shooting games should be blue or green, so as not to injure the psyche of children. And our government is more worried about smoking wolves from Nu pogodi than streams of realistic blood from monitor screens.

[rereture]

It is only in Germany that the blood is green, but in the USA everything is fine, and there is everything in the gut and blood. But computer games have nothing to do with it. Yeah, damn it, with my grandfather from the age of 5 I went to cut and carve pigs, and I did not grow up a psychopath.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: rereture

with his grandfather from the age of 5 he went to slaughter and carve pigs, and he did not grow up a psychopath.

Pigs to pigs, I also slaughtered them, I beat rabbits and a bird myself, children watch, I do not forbid. You need to know what we eat. But in shooting games they shoot people, and this is different. If the moral barrier is crossed in the game, then in life it becomes much more transparent.

Quote: rereture

It is only in Germany that the blood is green, but in the USA everything is fine, and the intestines and blood

Did not know. but this, by the way, can explain why in the States they shoot in schools much more often than in Europe. These are my conclusions.

[rereture]

What is the moral barrier? You did not play war games in the yard as a child? There, too, the children, though not for real, shoot at each other, and pretend to be killed.

In shooting games they do not shoot at people. And in moving models on the screen. There is more violence on TV and in religious books than in games. He played different games from the age of 6 when his father bought a game console. And in different games despite the age rating. He’s not a psychopath, there’s no desire to kill people.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: rereture

And in moving models on the screen

Are Postal 2 and GTA not shooting at people? After such games, they look at people as models. I won’t prove it, talk to the psychologist about the contents of the comp game.

[rereture]

As if I did not play Postal 2, do not believe it when I played it I was about 13 years old.

Isn't Postal 2 shooting at people?

No. In imitation of people, yes. Do you think the model women in the game are full-fledged people? Well, or a target in the shooting range, also consider a full-fledged person?

For some reason, comedies with black humor are shown at 20:00, and games with black humor cannot be played.

By the way, this game can be completed without a single shot.

[plut-k]

many times to the second
I fully support.

[plut-k]

many times to the second
I fully support.

[Alexander Romanov]

Sorry about what happened. Let me go home to my parents.
Damn it, I would add, I won’t do it anymore. I have seen enough films, played enough games, why not shoot.

Quote: name

, but that's why the guard missed and why he is there in principle

And if a guard rushed at him and tried to stop him and died, would you say that he is a bad guard? People are all different and getting into stressful situations, behave differently. Some without thinking about themselves and their loved ones rush to the trunk, while others fall into a stupor. Still others forget that they are security guards and run away. When we are sitting in front of computers, we become strategists who know how to behave properly in any situation — we talk a lot in short.

[invisibility]

Is Gordeev's crime a trend? Hardly. Someone from this tragedy would like to concoct a trend is a fact.
This statement of the author suggests that he has not been in a modern school for a long time. I saw it myself, my friends told me how the children and the worst of THEM PARENTS behave. A parent with a mosquito may publicly insult a teacher for being unsuccessful in his subject. And the mutt will grin. The student can throw a tantrum right in the classroom. If you describe everything, you need another article ...
Gordeev's crime is a trend! The crime of his parent is a trend! School security, the mental state of youth, the teacher’s lack of rights, and another million questions are all a trend.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: invisible

A parent with a mosquito may publicly insult a teacher for being unsuccessful in his subject. And the mutt will grin.

Yes, let the teacher try at school to make the child wash the floors in the classroom, as was the case in our time. The next day, mother will come running and seal the whole school in the use of child labor. The state protects our children so that the deputies will need to come up with a law protecting us from children.

[Volodin]

Dear Reader! The author is directly related to the education system. With the fact that teachers are being turned into robots with no rights, I completely agree, but how does this translate into the tendency that a person with obvious mental disabilities took up arms? Or, in our country, every teenager is capable of throwing a tantrum in class or shooting a teacher, even if the parents are "with money"? There have been diots, psychopaths and maniacs, as well as irresponsible parents at all times. So with the "trend" you are clearly excited. Only, mind you, no offense. You expressed your opinion, I - mine.

[invisibility]

Quote: Volodin

Only, chur, no offense. You expressed your opinion, I - your

Yes, I'm a stupid boy !!
I do not agree. The trend is on the face. It is just beginning and ending it is not at school.

Quote: Volodin

Or, in our country, every teenager is capable of throwing a tantrum in class or shooting a teacher, even if the parents are "with money"?

Alexei, if there is everyone, then this is no longer a trend, a fait accompli!

Quote: Volodin

psychopaths and maniacs, as well as irresponsible parents were at all times

Of course and no doubt! And remember how many children from disadvantaged families the school put on its feet?

Quote: invisible

This statement of the author suggests that he has not been in a modern school for a long time.

I'm sorry.

[invisibility]

Forgot ..

Quote: Volodin

I completely agree with the fact that teachers are turned into disenfranchised robots, but how does this flow into the tendency that a person with obvious mental deviations has taken up arms?

Here! Is daddy's stupidity not a trend?
And it's not even about the mental state of the son! WEAPONS IN YOUR HOUSE !!!!!!!
I have no words.
I am outraged. because there’s a safe with weapons in the house! Not like children, adult relatives do not have access to the safe !! The key is always with me.

[Volkhov]

The school shooter is a descendant of the Soviet superman (Gordeev), is this his final exam in the world of secret power, the first? resonant special operation.
http://svyatorus.com/politika/2330-ispoved-sverhcheloveka.html
http://atnews.org/news/ehto_ne_sergej_gordeev_ili_komu_nuzhny_tonny_vranja_pro_r
asstrel_v_263_shkole/2014-02-05-12627
http://atnews.org/news/pro_evrejskikh_strelkov/2014-02-06-12663
http://www.mk.ru/social/article/2014/02/05/980811-posle-strelbyi-v-shkole-za-neb
rezhnoe-hranenie-oruzhiya-hotyat-sazhat-na-2-goda.html
You just need to limit the use of weapons, you need an example and it was created, and the speed of the proposal of the new law (there are long approvals) indicates the planning procedure.
Rejoice that they are not improving the protection of chemical plants.

[Volodin]

Dear Reader! The author is directly related to the education system. I completely agree with the fact that teachers are being turned into robots without rights, but how does this translate into a tendency that a person with obvious mental disabilities took up arms? Or, in our country, every teenager is able to throw a tantrum in the classroom or shoot a teacher, even if the parents are "with money"? , psychopaths and maniacs, as well as irresponsible parents have been at all times. So with the "trend" you are clearly excited. Only, mind you, no offense. You expressed your opinion, I - mine.

[skullcap]

Quote: invisible

Is Gordeev's crime a trend? Hardly. Someone from this tragedy would like to concoct a trend is a fact.

The trend is evident. You may not want to see her, but she is clearly visible for more than one decade. This is the trend of moral degradation of our society. And it is due to the reorientation of the “educated” and “progressive” strata to the Western model of building society: democracy, liberalism, human rights (where people of every kind are considered to be fundamentally every kind of renegade from various crooks to LGBT freaks and serial killers, and a healthy part of the population is forced tolerance: endure, feed, water and cherish this scum in every possible way), individualism (masking extreme egoism) and other similar “values”.
And this bloody episode is only a particular manifestation of this tendency.
A return to our eternal moral values ​​is needed to reverse this trend. And in the family, and at school, and, most importantly, in the ideological policy of the state. And for this you need to ensure that only decent people are in the power structures.
The practice of the same US shows that no matter how much you increase the number and training of police officers in schools, this does not lead to a reduction in such crimes. On the contrary, their number continues to grow.
It is necessary to take up EDUCATION, and children - first of all, for they are our future.
So in school, everything must be done with the exact opposite in relation to what the Ministry of Education has recently done. Not to reduce, but to increase the number of hours in the Russian language and the great Russian literature, to study the history of the great Russian people from the standpoint of the interests not of the Western, but of our society. Because it is precisely it that is the most honest and fair. To teach children and remind adults that Russian culture has historically developed on the principles that Christ preached, and which in Soviet times were reflected in the Code of the Builder of Communism. “Thou shalt not kill,” “Thou shalt not steal,” “Do not commit adultery,” “He who does not work shall not eat,” “Everyone is for everyone, all for one,” “Man is a friend, comrade and brother,” Honesty and truthfulness, moral purity, simplicity and modesty in public and private life "," Irreconcilability towards injustice, idleness, dishonesty, careerism, acquisitiveness "and others.
Instead of the current Western-style censorship in the media called “format”, go back to your previous model so that the flow of violence and slops does not flow into the still weak children's minds.
And adults also need to take care. Why did the president decide to protect only children from pederastic propaganda? I also do not want to deal with this dirt and I do not know a single person who would at least care. Why doesn't the president protect my rights to a healthy life?
But computer science is quite possible to begin to study together with physics, because earlier - from the 1 class - it is teaching children to electronic toys, their deliberate withdrawal from the real world to the virtual world - an illusory one.
And in general, the school should be returned to the Soviet time, when it was not an organization for the provision of services, even educational ones, something like a bath-and-laundry combine, but an educational institution. And so that teachers and, especially, their heads from the ministry should be concerned not only with the level of “aikyu”, but above all with the state of the souls of the children.
Only then no one will have the idea to deal with his neighbor through violence.

[invisibility]

Oh how right you are! It is strange that the authorities, who usually studied in a Soviet school, do not want to understand this!

[vasiliysxx]

, but that's why the guard missed and why he is there in principle

Then you need to ask this question first of all to the security agency, which employs untrained pensioners in the pursuit of profit.

[Baboon]

I remember my school, the guard knew all the students, and did not let us in, only without replaceable shoes. Why should this guard not let a student go to school? And he was also not obliged to search, then they went into the locker room themselves and hung up their jackets, there was already nobody there, there was a lot to carry. So it’s not a matter of the guard, but of the father, who did not keep track of the weapons.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Babon

And I’m not obliged to search either,

Not only not obliged, but also not entitled.

[Gomunkul]

Then you need to ask this question first of all to a security agency that employs untrained pensioners in the pursuit of profit

At one time, though not for long, he worked at a security agency as a security guard, and so, the security guard’s task is not to die heroically at the guarded object, his task is as quickly as possible, and most importantly not at the cost of his own life, to call the capture group to the object entrusted to him in case of an emergency.

[Name]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

People are all different and getting into stressful situations behave differently.

"... Gordeev, according to all the same Egorov, put something on the floor and walked over to him, pointing the barrel of a small-bore rifle (this is how the guard characterizes the weapon). "- there was no stupor (determined that the rifle was a small thing), there was one sticky fear ...

[Tersky]

Quote: name

there was no stupor (determined that the rifle was a little thing), there was one sticky fear ...

So Romanov in the commentary and emphasized:

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Still others forget that they are guards and run away.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

It’s us here, sitting in front of computers, we become strategists who know how to behave properly in any situation — in short we talk a lot.

I can tell a couple of tricks.

[Same lech]

here is one such case

[Boris55]

Quote: name

, but that's why the guard missed and why he is there in principle

A student of the 10 class came to school, armed with two rifles. The guard tried not to let him, but the gunshot argument turned out to be stronger, and the teenager nevertheless went to school.
The key point of this story is security guardthe teenager was threatening with a weapon managed to press the panic button.

[Name]

Quote: Boris55

The guard tried not to let him in, but the gunshot argument turned out to be stronger, and the teenager nevertheless went to school.

I quote [i]: Returning “from the detour”, Yuri Egorov saw a student in a coat walking along the corridor (from the back) and called out to him. Gordeev, according to the same Egorov, put something on the floor and went up to him, pointing the barrel of a small-caliber rifle (this is how the guard characterizes the weapon). The teenager said that this is not a joke, and that he did not come to school to talk with him (with the guard). [/ I] -Not about what to prevent there’s no speech in the school’s premises "teenager" was seen from the back.

[BARKAS]

We began to lose the current generation of Gordeev long ago when we entered the class with the weapons of children, it only made the teenagers clap their hands until they realized that the aggression was directed at them and not at the other .. for sure there are Internet resources where this Gordeev idol!

[Boris55]

Quote: name

approached him, pointing the barrel of a small-caliber rifle

The fact that it is called small-caliber does not mean that it does not kill. In a revolver like a gun, almost the same cartridges are used.
PS
I have more confidence in official sources than in the "yellow press".

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Boris55

In a revolver like a gun, almost the same cartridges are used.

Do you think the 7,62 caliber rifle is small-caliber?

[siberalt]

I agree with the first post. Everyone crawls into detectives, go crazy! Here is another example of a "creative-liberal" journalist about whom D. Lekukh wrote.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: name

Let the investigators sort out the reasons that prompted the 10th grader to murder (he will most likely go to the "durka"), but that's why the guard missed it and why he is there in principle.

Again the advertisement of terrorism has gone. Now every sucker in the country wants to take crayons and sing to school. My opinion is - remove the arrow from the TV and from the newspapers, and urgently. Announce him sick. and all that will be there just to shut up. This is not a topic for public discussion.

[bubalik]

Checks whether they are wearing shoe covers, a pair of technicals, this is in our school when I come for a child.

[anomalocaris]

And what the hell did he have the keys to his father’s weapons safe?

[Bezz]

Quote: name

Let the investigators sort out the reasons that prompted the 10th grader to murder (he will most likely go to the "durka"), but that's why the guard missed it and why he is there in principle.

Meanwhile, as the journalists managed to find out, Sergey’s father is an employee of the classified FSBI Research Institute “Ether”, who “formally oversees the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB,” and his grandfather is the FSB General.
According to Sergei’s friends, the teenager did not hide the title of his maternal grandfather and the fact that his father, Viktor Gordeev, works in special services.
Now guess how many months will the boy Seryozha stay in the hospital? And will his dad bear the responsibility?

[anomalocaris]

Are you kidding me?

[alleksSalut4507]

What kind of protection is there for fearful pensioners? You yourself have never seen anything. You pay money, but to those who won the tender.

[saber1357]

I don’t know, not a lawyer, but daddy also needs to glue something, but bigger. Is there an article "for the upbringing of a moral monster"? This is necessary, my son is fond of solipsism, that is, "besides me, he will run away," from whom would he get it? And who did NOT prevent him from gaining this (if he got it from half-witted peers?).

[smel]

It remains to once again express my condolences to the families of the deceased and injured. I consider the classmates as well, who have suffered psychological trauma for life. And they will talk about this case through 2, and 5, and 20 years. It is a pity that neither the guard nor the police did their job. The bosses do not require anyone to perform their functions. After 10 years, the 25-year-old killer will be released, turned into an inveterate villain in the zone. And he still has a lot of chances to ruin the life of normal people.

[report4]

Quote: smel

In 10 years, a 25-year-old killer will be released, turned into a deadly scoundrel in the zone. And he still has a lot of chances to ruin the life of normal people.

You can not worry about this - such as he breaks a zone in a couple of years. It is clear from the text that this infantile individual was stuck at the age of ten.

[Volkhov]

Almost getting him into the zone is almost impossible - the Clinic of Neurosis on Rublevka, light plastic and one of the spy schools.

[Normman]

All evil comes from childhood ... Adults do not even notice how they cripple the soul and consciousness of a child with their hysterical reaction to his "wrong" actions. Methodically, day after day, from infancy, they educate the neurasthenic. The ideas of solipsism fall on the ground in this way. And then they hypocritically ask the question: And who is he like? And they refuse to represent his interests ...

[Onizuka teacher]

Well, here I would add one more factor. Bullying peers! Children sometimes make monsters from other children. An example from school, in a Russian school in Temirtau where I studied there was one single Kazakh. So, due to the fact that he was not white, he was humiliated in every possible way, although he resisted. They broke it, spitting in the back and spoiled textbooks with notebooks are just flowers. I say right away that I was friends with him, and I also got bored. I met this colossus recently, a mountain of muscles and a fire of hatred in my eyes. A hand-to-hand coach and takes exclusively Kazakhs. He says he didn’t forgive anyone and was beaten by several offenders forcing him to ask for forgiveness, he doesn’t like only Russians, after a couple of glasses of friendly stories from life he was naturally poisoned in Kazakh. Do you think the parents are to blame? Sometimes children don’t tell how they torment him at school. Agree child cruelty insidious thing.

[mirag2]

Yes, I studied at school, too, my friend and I always fought before the fight, he is a Tatar, and I have relatives in Estonia, he called me "Estonian", I called him "Tatar", and what?
Grew up in best friends ...
His grandfather cracked the horse sausage with him, and I was at the Muslim funeral, his grandmother was buried sitting.
Situations are always different, but PARENTS MUST LOOK FOR THIS!

[alleksSalut4507]

Jews and Georgians and Tatars and Azerbaijanis studied with us but never remembered nationalities. Only in jokes. And they laughed all together.

[invisibility]

You indicate the causes, but the disease must be treated.

[Zhaman-Urus]

Hello from Temirtau. I myself studied in classes where there were 1, 2 Kazakhs and there was NEVER ANYTHING on national grounds, I finished school in 96. I agree that this is not an indicator, but your story looks like a fairy tale. Can you name the coach’s name? I can’t say that I know all the hand-to-hand trainers, but would a small city have flashed somewhere? If on the topic, yes, schoolchildren are worse than prisoners, but this is not a reason to kill or to meet and beat 10 years after school. Moscow youngster is definitely a 15-year-old strict child, and your friend, sorry for a psychologist.

[Flooding]

Quote: Zhaman-Urus

Hello from Temirtau. I myself studied in classes where there were 1, 2 Kazakhs and NEVER ANYTHING on national grounds, I graduated from school in 96g. I agree that this is not an indicator, but your story looks like a fairy tale.

Zhaman-Urus, intrigued. We are waiting for confirmation from the Teacher with a Japanese nickname and a photo of Zverev.

[anomalocaris]

Oh well. I’m, for example, a native Siberian. In my veins, arteries and other blood vessels, such a cocktail is mixed that you never dreamed of. But I didn’t try to shoot anyone in childhood.

[Flooding]

Quote: anomalocaris

Oh well. I’m, for example, a native Siberian. In my veins, arteries and other blood vessels, such a cocktail is mixed that you never dreamed of. But I didn’t try to shoot anyone in childhood.

It’s strange. Judging by the branch, addressed to me. Although I did not state the opposite.
By the way, in Moldova, too, many-degree cocktails are mixed: Bulgarians, Moldovans, Gagauzians, Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Greeks, etc.

[anomalocaris]

This is the answer to the leader from Temirtau. Let him not drive. I come from Kuzbass. We have never spied rot on anyone. That would be understandable for European users, Temirtau from my place of residence is right around the corner, about 600 km. Now it is considered the territory of sovereign Kazakhstan, only Semipalatinsk, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Akmolinsk, a bunch of other cities were founded by Russians (usually by exiled Cossacks). This was the "Eastern Line", which, by the way, did not just exist on paper, but quite really fought with China.

[alleksSalut4507]

and we are from Siberia. and we have a cocktail. and were not going to kill anyone. the truth.

[Hleb]

although I studied and lived farther north, I read about such a plot for the first time. Why did I remember "Kickboxer" with Van Damme, when he came to the teacher: "Grandpa, teach me Muay Thai"
learned and defeated everyone, all the evil in the person of Tong Po. True, they chanted "white warrior", but here it is a little the other way around, but the main thing is "holy revenge" and epic. You can also recall the film "Kerry", but this is too much

[ed65b]

Quote: Zhaman-Urus

Hello from Temirtau. I myself studied in classes where there were 1, 2 Kazakhs and there was NEVER ANYTHING on national grounds, I finished school in 96. I agree that this is not an indicator, but your story looks like a fairy tale. Can you name the coach’s name? I can’t say that I know all the hand-to-hand trainers, but would a small city have flashed somewhere? If on the topic, yes, schoolchildren are worse than prisoners, but this is not a reason to kill or to meet and beat 10 years after school. Moscow youngster is definitely a 15-year-old strict child, and your friend, sorry for a psychologist.

Onizuka's teacher is a complete Russophobe and storyteller, he craps everywhere. A youngster a maximum of 10 shines.

[Onizuka teacher]

Sorry, things were. We studied together at the Toktar Aubakirov gymnasium and graduated in 00years. I will not disclose the name, meaning? As my grandfather said, believe it or not, because there is no trial.

[freedom1970]

I do not believe ... Composition.

[ed65b]

Quote: Onizuka's teacher

Well, here I would add one more factor. Bullying peers! Children sometimes make monsters from other children. An example from school, in a Russian school in Temirtau where I studied there was one single Kazakh. So, due to the fact that he was not white, he was humiliated in every possible way, although he resisted. They broke it, spitting in the back and spoiled textbooks with notebooks are just flowers. I say right away that I was friends with him, and I also got bored. I met this colossus recently, a mountain of muscles and a fire of hatred in my eyes. A hand-to-hand coach and takes exclusively Kazakhs. He says he didn’t forgive anyone and was beaten by several offenders forcing him to ask for forgiveness, he doesn’t like only Russians, after a couple of glasses of friendly stories from life he was naturally poisoned in Kazakh. Do you think the parents are to blame? Sometimes children don’t tell how they torment him at school. Agree child cruelty insidious thing.

Ostap suffered change the Kazakh to Russian, I will tell you such stories with a mountain of muscles and no farewell, but if I meet you I will beat you up and make you apologize 300 I can only tell you this is all fiction, and your friend is a ram and you can tell him that.

[TS3sta3]

very similar to autobiography, very realistic. except: "mountains of muscles", "hand-to-hand trainer" and "beat offenders" - this already looks like fiction.

[mirag2]

Yes Yes Yes Yes!
That's it, PARENTS are responsible for raising a child!
Well, not for teachers to educate them? Some of the upbringing falls on the teachers, but the main one is still on the parents!
They, at home, in a family environment — which THEY must create and maintain in moral purity and health — must provide the child with observation of his psychological state and his correct correction.
And if it doesn’t work out then contact the specialists.
But they have to keep an eye on it.
Just elementary to see.

[Boris55]

Quote: mirag2

That's it, PARENTS are responsible for raising a child!
Well, do not teachers educate them?

Do you understand the difference between a teacher and a lecturer? A child at school spends 6-7 hours and what - do you think he is obliged to drop out of the educational process at this time? In my opinion you are wrong.

[vladsolo56]

Immediately after the shooting, the media broke into hysteria over the ban on computer shooter games, this supposedly encouraged the guy to shoot. Another hysterical panic of deputies. There are already proposals to ban. If I understood the guy was on the gold medal, so in this case, he was definitely not a gamer. Such nerds spend more time studying. What he has done is the result of the upbringing, the upbringing of the parents, most likely the father, the society, most likely the school. All are to blame. Our society today is a gathering of egoists, nobody cares about others, as long as I feel good. But when it is necessary for someone to understand, help, let others do it, there are experts, organs are different. And only when the result splashes out in the form of such an executioner, who has decided to condemn on his own, and carry out the sentence, is society choking in hysteria and panic. Probably taken today to appeal to all: gentlemen, get used to it is democracy, not socialism.

[Mart]

Quote: vladsolo56

Immediately after the shooting, the media broke into hysteria over the ban on computer shooter games, this supposedly encouraged the guy to shoot. Another hysterical panic of deputies. There are already proposals to ban. If I understood the guy was on the gold medal, so in this case, he was definitely not a gamer. Such nerds spend more time studying. What he has done is the result of the upbringing, the upbringing of the parents, most likely the father, the society, most likely the school. All are to blame. Our society today is a gathering of egoists, nobody cares about others, as long as I feel good. But when it is necessary for someone to understand, help, let others do it, there are experts, organs are different. And only when the result splashes out in the form of such an executioner, who has decided to condemn on his own, and carry out the sentence, is society choking in hysteria and panic. Probably taken today to appeal to all: gentlemen, get used to it is democracy, not socialism.

“We currently live in cities alongside other people, without even knowing them. On election days, we meet with each other at meetings, listen to false promises or absurd speeches of candidates and return to our home. The state is in charge of all matters of public interest; it is his duty to ensure that individuals do not violate the interests of their fellow citizens, and, if necessary, to correct the harm done to them, punishing the guilty. On it lies the care of help to the starving, the care of education, protection from enemies, etc., etc.
Your neighbor may die of starvation or kill his children to death - this does not concern you: this is a police matter. You do not know your neighbors; nothing binds you to them, and everything separates, and, in the absence of the best, you ask the Almighty (first it was God, and now the state) that he should not allow antisocial passions to their extreme limits. ”
Kropotkin.

[Sunjar]

It should also complement you. Bloody games are accused of a negative effect on children, but no less, and often more bloody (Rambo 4, The Expendables 1,2, etc.) are not. But everything is much more natural there. On television, they constantly show down, stabbed, shot and killed - blood, dirt, abomination. And this is all reality. If forbidden, then all at once.

[Mart]

Quote: Sunjar

If prohibit, then all at once.

I do not watch television. Totally. And that's all. No restrictions are needed.
All these lawmakers by "prohibitions", "restrictions" only justify their own uselessness, they create noise. Any suitable event, any tragedy for them is a conscious or unconscious reason for self-promotion. The deputies in their "proposals" will soon go so far as to force every resident of the country to undergo an examination by a psychiatrist once a quarter. Soon a psychiatric lobby will form in the Duma.
Since the days of Kropotkin nothing has changed. The military-technical and technological progress is there, but the social one is progressing very tightly. Alas.

[ed65b]

Quote: Mart

Quote: Sunjar

If prohibit, then all at once.

I do not watch television. Totally. And that's all. No restrictions are needed.
All these lawmakers by "prohibitions", "restrictions" only justify their own uselessness, they create noise. Any suitable event, any tragedy for them is a conscious or unconscious reason for self-promotion. The deputies in their "proposals" will soon go so far as to force every resident of the country to undergo an examination by a psychiatrist once a quarter. Soon a psychiatric lobby will form in the Duma.
Since the days of Kropotkin nothing has changed. The military-technical and technological progress is there, but the social one is progressing very tightly. Alas.

Well, how to make money on a social network? Neither cut the dough nor cut the budget. We have the only one who promoted in the positive is Astakhov. For the rest, this is a smut and a link.

[Greenwood]

Quote: vladsolo56

a gold medal, and so in that case he was not a gamer unambiguously. Such nerds devote more time to classes.

Your untruth. I myself was an excellent student at one time and received a silver medal at the end of school, but at the same time I loved military shooters like Call of Duty and frankly limitless games like GTA.

[Maxsh]

I agree - I also have a couple of such acquaintances.

[rereture]

At his age, I did not take games seriously, just like movies, interactive films.

[vladsolo56]

Quote: Greenwood

Your untruth. I myself was an excellent student at one time and received a silver medal at the end of school, but at the same time I loved military shooters like Call of Duty and frankly limitless games like GTA.

If for him the gold medal was not so important, if he had not given a lot of energy to it, then he would not have gone to shoot people because of his low rating. It’s clear that this is not a bizky and not a fit. He spent a lot of energy to achieve the goal and suddenly on you. In that case, if he was just a normal guy, playing on a computer, it would never have occurred to him to arrange a lynching. I'm not a psychiatrist, but this is my opinion

[ed65b]

Quote: Greenwood

Quote: vladsolo56

a gold medal, and so in that case he was not a gamer unambiguously. Such nerds devote more time to classes.

Your untruth. I myself was an excellent student at one time and received a silver medal at the end of school, but at the same time I loved military shooters like Call of Duty and frankly limitless games like GTA.

And I forbade my GTA and constantly delete it when it is installed in a quiet place. I came to his room somehow, and he looked at his granny with bat and feet - EEE, I’m saying brother came. and put an end to this. Anything but not GTA.

[vladsolo56]

Quote: ed65b

And I forbade my GTA and constantly delete it when it is installed in a quiet place. I came to his room somehow, and he looked at his granny with bat and feet - EEE, I’m saying brother came. and put an end to this. Anything but not GTA.

Delete GTA that you decided in this way, maybe you need to talk with your son, find out why he is like that? Removing the game you will not solve the psychological stereotypes of the guy. Here it is already necessary to sound the alarm and strain the brains.

[ed65b]

Quote: vladsolo56

Delete GTA that you decided in this way, maybe you need to talk with your son, find out why he is like that? Removing the game you will not solve the psychological stereotypes of the guy. Here it is already necessary to sound the alarm and strain the brains.

Everything is fine, but male skin prophylaxis while small is sometimes useful, not so much in terms of physical pain as in moral and psychological pain. And then it will be too late when the hair on the pussy grows

[rereture]

Then you can pour it in yourself

[rereture]

What is the alarm? I played in GTA from the 7th grade like my friends, for some reason not a single psychopath became.

[nerd.su]

And is there any help? By the way, do you know that doctors believe that there are no healthy people, there are people who have not been examined?

[rereture]

Recently held a medical examination at the military commissariat. They said vision was like that of an eagle, hearing was like lizards, healthy as a bull. Apart from asthma.

[nerd.su]

So you urgently need to biathlon! The Norwegians have a lot of asthmatics in the team, so they row gold! And we have doping through one, but we need asthmatics! You won’t be taken to this Olympics, so there are four years ahead And you will shoot and bring benefit to the Motherland!

So all the same, the psychiatrist then the stamp is valid and put a signature?
And then there are such - healthy, like a bull, but with a white ticket!

[rereture]

Changed conditionally valid to limited valid. True, they gave a delay of 5.5 years in connection with their studies.

And the Norwegians have doping in inhalers, they just don’t check

[nerd.su]

Well, as I say, with asthma we are not afraid of accusations!

Something I do not know the category of conditionally valid ... And limited fit - it was in my years and there was a white ticket ...

[rereture]

Yes, there is some kind of nonsense, I did not really understand, if the letters Was "B" - In wartime, it is subject to conscription, to complete parts of the 2nd stage.

Steel B4 - Special structures, security and defense specialists of combat missile systems; communication parts, radio parts; the rest of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, other troops, military units and bodies.

Since I did not agree to stay in the hospital for 2 weeks (I collected a month of help, as a result, the therapist did not get it right for me) agreed to a decrease in the degree of validity and postponement.

[nerd.su]

Well, then this is an increase in the degree of suitability, about a decrease, this is your reservation "according to Freud"

But what, there is no military department? Are you going to be a clinical psychologist?

[rereture]

There is no military department, I study for the specialty 240501 "CHEMICAL TECHNOLOGY OF MODERN ENERGY MATERIALS" specialization "Radiation chemistry and radiation materials science"

[nerd.su]

Well, you’ll be more careful there at the laboratory. And then you will pick up a pocket nuclear bomb from boredom!

[Name]

Quote: vladsolo56

gentlemen, get used to it, democracy, not socialism.

- It remains only to supplement:

[Mikhail3]

Well said. Prince Kropotkin, whose words are given in the comment below, also saw the problem well. Who am I? The answer to this question determines everything. How did a man answer him before? I am part of Eternal Russia. Today's representative of a number of glorious ancestors - warriors, builders, plowmen, scientists ... Now WE represent our great power and lead it into the future.
What answer does man give himself now? I am nobody. Spit on ancestors, on the country, on the past and the future. There is only now, in this now I and in me are my pleasures. Do not dare to impose anything on me, I am all! My positive emotions are wonderful, negative emotions are unbearable. It is such a system of personality that a consumer society needs.
If we go exactly this way, through rotting and decay of a person into a consumer ... yes, we simply end! All our victories, all patience, sacrifices and accomplishments of all our ancestors, all current achievements will be destroyed. And soon ...

[awg75]

I hope this bastard will not have a future

[bomg.77]

Quote: awg75

I hope this bastard will not have a future

There, another Gardeev was set up because of him. Let them say the photo of another guy was hanging on the show, and his own aunt and teachers, for an hour pretended to be their nephew and student, they asked who he was that they were trying to cover him up and expose him as a nerd on whom a non-Russian teacher was pushing hard and why? Here is a photo of that guy who everyone pointed with his finger, the first days. !!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: bomg.77

Let them say another guy’s photo hung on the show, and his own aunt and teachers, for an hour pretending to be their nephew and student, asked who he was that they were trying to cover him up and expose him as a nerd who was heavily pressed by a non-Russian teacher and why?

Yes, because it’s a stupid show, for the sake of rating and stupid PR, for the sake of money and for money. Malakhov and those who are stuck there, do not give a damn who died, why, who killed, THIS SHOW.

[bomg.77]

Alexander Yes, no one even says that this is what? Where? When ?, but why and for what purpose did relatives and teachers pretend that he was in the photo? They had known him for several days and the difference in appearance was great.

[crbvbyjr]

And look at the appearance and everything is clear why

[bomg.77]

Quote: crbvbyjr

And look at the appearance and everything is clear why

Self-centeredness, complacency. And the rest is dust underfoot. Education!

[Zhaman-Urus]

As my Russian teacher said about such photos: "Kiss me at a run," the boy obviously has a very high self-esteem. This has not brought anyone to any good. Exactly such a photo was of my CCM classmate in kickboxing, handsome, wealthy parents. The result of overdoses and death a couple of days before the wedding ...

[bomg.77]

Quote: Zhaman-Urus

obviously the guy has a very high self-esteem.

And who inspired him, if not his parents, and they have not a small position with him.

The father of the school shooter turned out to be an employee of the secret department of the research institute, and his grandfather was the FSB general

[UzRus]

Yes, because it’s a stupid show, for the sake of rating and stupid PR, for the sake of money and for money. Malakhov and those who are pressed in there, do not give a damn who died, why, who killed, THIS SHOW - Yes, this garbage transfer has already gotten in order with its ever-screaming leading Malakhov!

[Letun]

The Komsomol member, from a once respected publication, has finally turned into a yellow newspaper.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: awg75

I hope this bastard will not have a future

If you are not sent to a psychiatric hospital, then the maximum that he is shining is 10 years.

[siberalt]

quot: I hope this bastard will not have a future.

Recognized irresponsible at the time of commission, cure, and let go. But in fact - for more than 8 years he does not shine. Mal is still.

[vladsolo56]

Quote: awg75

I hope this bastard will not have a future

he’s not a bastard, those bastards who raised him like that, not only his parents, but everything around him. We often close our eyes not the problems and troubles of children and adolescents, for many this is not important, the main thing is to be dressed, shod and full. So we get what we get. Who's guilty?

[Walking]

Quote: siberalt

quot:

Recognized irresponsible at the time of commission, cure, and let go. But in fact - for more than 8 years he does not shine. Mal is still.

Insanity is not noticeable there and there is no affect, the guy thought through everything and did as he wanted. Another thing is how they want to file it for the people.

[Alex66]

The article in my opinion writes off the problem to one person, to the fact that he did not cope with his problems.
But after all, his egocentrism is a problem of a new "tolerant" society when everything is possible, there are no taboos and in vain they say that there is no tendency, there is, but to confess means to recognize the new ideology as not consistent, this ideology where man is a wolf to man, and not a friend, comrade and brother. The new ideology makes it possible not to pay attention to real problems, the stratification of society, not an opportunity to get out of poverty, to get an education.

[Mart]

Quote: Alex66

The article in my opinion writes off the problem to one person, to the fact that he did not cope with his problems.
But after all, his egocentrism is a problem of a new "tolerant" society when everything is possible, there are no taboos and in vain they say that there is no tendency, there is, but to confess means to recognize the new ideology as not consistent, this ideology where man is a wolf to man, and not a friend, comrade and brother. The new ideology makes it possible not to pay attention to real problems, the stratification of society, not an opportunity to get out of poverty, to get an education.

I support. The current "ideology", or rather its complete absence, is one of the consequences of the capitalist atomization of society. Nobody needs anyone, but everyone needs money right away. All are equal to the golden calf. There are no ideological unifying factors, as in Soviet times, but what separates them is a carriage and a small cart. Well, plus we began to go crazy - like in America, from which we take an example. With a weapon, and even with two barrels, to school - it's purely American.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Mart

it is purely American.

Perhaps this Gordeev before his "exploits" read a lot of information and watched a video about the Columbine school:

[Letun]

Quote: Alex66

The article in my opinion writes off the problem to one person, to the fact that he did not cope with his problems.
.

Well, just the author of the article is an ardent supporter of the legalization of firearms (including short-barreled ones) and he certainly cannot say that in the case when the gun is in every second family, we will read news like this several times a year. That's why everything falls here on one mentally unstable teenager.

[rereture]

We have legalized firearms and OOOP. And as you can see, every 2 families have no guns, rifles or injuries.

I repeat it’s not the gun that is guilty, the guy is to blame.

[Volodin]

Well, just the author of the article is an ardent supporter of the legalization of firearms (including short-barreled)

It came to you in dreams, or who prompted? Before you write such nonsense, you could personally ask.

[Letun]

Quote: Volodin

It came to you in dreams, or who prompted? Before you write such nonsense, you could personally ask.

Well, well, after all, we have already discussed the topic http://topwar.ru/25721-pochemu-rossiyskie-vlasti-ne-vvodyat-razreshenie-na-korot
kostvol-ognestrel.html # comment-id-1015255

There, referring to a survey on our website, you claimed that 60% (or so) of Russians for the permission of the short barrel. Or am I confusing something?
Here, I was not even too lazy and found your quote:

This example clearly demonstrates that 66% of Russians who decide that they can be trusted with firearms for self-defense

[Volodin]

How does this survey relate to my personal position? I wrote somewhere in the article that I support legalization?

Or am I confusing something?

Apparently, confusing, since 66% is not 100% ...

[lazy]

several years ago, a student dissatisfied with a teacher met her at the entrance and killed her with a knife. Will we also remove knives and ban?

[Letun]

Oh, oh, about knives and drunken disassembly with stools this is the favorite answer of your supporters You are not original. With a knife, a good man, not everyone can decide to stab another. This lover of tea biscuits is unlikely to dare to stab the teacher with a knife in the classroom. Anyway, to select knives and other primitive weapons, unlike firearms, is simply unrealistic, although I agree, if it weren’t for walking along the street it would be better. Do you disagree?

[rereture]

I do not agree, the ban does not make sense since.
1. Not a single hunt, or do you propose walking a bear with primitive weapons such as cattle?

2. Not any shooting sport, or do you offer to shoot with slingshots?

3. There is no sensible self-defense, they are breaking into your house and you are using their stool?

4. The fall of weapons culture, the decline in the country's defense.

hardly would dare to stab the teacher with a knife in the classroom.

You are probably clairvoyant and you can look into parallel universes.
Why not? He could have stabbed with a knife, hit with a bat, an armature, a pipe cut-off, a gas key, he would have hammered a chain from a bicycle.

But as I understand it, you do not care how people kill each other, if only it was not a weapon.

[Letun]

What ridiculous arguments! What supporters of the gunshot to the people, the mass of such maximalists?
Point by point:
1) Do not compare the acquisition of hunting weapons with the acquisition of short barrels, hunters are enthusiastic people, and they need weapons not in order to mount.
2) Sport is the same.
3) For the defense of the house, the law provides for smooth-bore guns, but as someone wrote to you here, so as not to break in, put an iron door and in which case call the police. You won’t kill a man and you won’t go to jail yourself.
4) This is the most ridiculous and funny argument There is practically no weapons culture in our country. We are not the United States where for 200 (even more) years this culture exists and laws have been worked out, including the same defense of ourselves and those around us. And how does gun culture affect defense? Was the USSR not a defense country? Are you kidding me?

I’m probably not clairvoyant, but sane. If this bumblebee even found the courage to stab the teacher, the teacher would resist, I think the boys from the class would help him and most likely he could be injured, but not killed. And 100% would not have killed a policeman.

But as I understand it, you don't care about common sense, as long as people kill each other in a civilized manner. As one of the famous Germans said in the past: "Artillery gives seriousness to what would otherwise look like a banal quarrel" You should like this phrase

[rereture]

put the iron door and in case of which call the police

How do you see this in a rented apartment?

short-barrel acquisition

Have you heard about the short-barrel hunting?
Here, enlighten http://www.slezhke.net/oxota-s-revolverom.ph

Sport is the same.

That is, you are not against a weapon whose muzzle energy can exceed 3 KJ, when shot from which a person does not have a chance to survive, and against a weapon with a muzzle energy of about 0.5 KJ, when shot from which a person can survive if given timely medical help.

they do not need weapons in order to mount.

Do not judge all by yourself.

If this stingray even had the courage to stab the teacher, the teacher would resist

He shot without warning, and the knife would have stuck into the heart without warning, maybe yes, he had wounded but did not kill, and the policeman would have been alive. But to think that the gun is to blame is also not worth it.

But as I understand it, you do not care for the arguments of common sense, if only people would kill each other in a civilized manner.

No need to project your fears at all. Do not want do not buy.

We are not the USA where for 200 (even more) years this culture exists and laws have been worked out, including the same defense of ourselves and others

That is, you don’t need a weapon culture at all.
She was, it is necessary to begin to revive her. For example, when cleaning at school I found old notebooks of the 80s. In the notebooks there was a record of cartridges, and the results of firing students from a small-caliber rifle (the name of the rifle was not) and a small-caliber pistol (the name was not), and at the end of the notebook were the results of the test shooting. The notebook contained both male and female surnames.

And how does gun culture affect defense?

It is not for nothing that in the USSR there were shooting ranges and lessons of NVP in schools.

But as I understand it, you do not care about the arguments of common sense

I almost got hit by a bentley car with numbers oo007o due to the fault of the Weed Major (c.uka was driving a red light through a zebra full of people),. But I do not shout that it is necessary to ban all cars, but I say that such drivers need to be punished for violating traffic rules.

In our case, we need to punish the killer, and not all other people who want to acquire weapons.

[nerd.su]

Quote: rereture

How do you see this in a rented apartment?

As well as in fact, only at the expense of the owner. On account of payment. Better yet, take off immediately with an iron door.

Quote: rereture

He shot without warning, and the knife would have stuck into the heart without warning, maybe yes, he had wounded but did not kill, and the policeman would have been alive. But to think that the gun is to blame is also not worth it.

You talk about it so easily. Have any experience? These are not keys to push.
The gun is not to blame. Guilty of the specific owner of the gun.

Quote: rereture

It is not for nothing that in the USSR there were shooting ranges and lessons of NVP in schools.

Well, yes, there were shooting ranges, and lessons, and training machines, and a shooting range, and an obstacle course in the part that stood nearby. But we were not vaccinated with an armory culture, but with basic military training. Damn, we were even taught the composition and actions of a platoon of a potential enemy at school ... They were preparing to defend the country, only the traitors destroyed the country.
And there was no short-barrel among the people! No one even stuttered about it! If you want to shoot, go to the army. There, by the way, for two years and greatly cooled this desire

I don’t see how people who want to buy weapons will suffer?

[rereture]

There are people here, read the comments that want to either remove all weapons, or so that they are stored in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and issued under receipt

And given our deputies, and their initiatives ... Most likely, the tatupeds will go on toughening the rules for the circulation of civilian weapons and the law on weapons.

Although the new amendments had a relief.

Well, yes, there were shooting ranges, and lessons, and training machines, and a shooting range, and an obstacle course in the part that stood nearby. But we were not vaccinated with an armory culture, but with basic military training. Damn, we were even taught the composition and actions of a platoon of a potential enemy at school ... They were preparing to defend the country

Here, plus also gave initial skills in handling weapons, and basic knowledge of its use.

Plus, grandfather or dad hunters were almost everyone (well, or a friend).

If my memory serves me, then weapons began to be removed from the population from the 90s. There were many without licenses: inherited, or bought a long time ago.

[VadimSt]

Sorry about what happened. Let me go home to my parents.

Well, yes, - "I won't do that anymore"! For this bastard, tortured by overwork, hunger, family troubles, unrequited love or something else, nothing supernatural and irreparable has happened. It's a pity there are no gas chambers.
And the actions of the security guard, the responsibility of the security company and the actions of police officers in emergency situations are probably a separate issue both for the investigation and for organizational conclusions.

[Psychojoker]

Honestly, I don’t understand the point of these guards at all. After all, they have neither weapons, nor permission to use force, nor, actually, that force. They, if something happened, can not do anything. Strange affair

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Psyjoker

Honestly, I don’t understand the point of these guards at all.

There used to be gangsters racketeers-roof. Now they are all legalized in private security companies. Here and all the cheese.

[Horn]

Why only private security companies, private security also has its own piece of bread and butter. In rural areas, where private security companies can’t especially go for a walk, but there is a police department, these comrades twist their hands to store owners, offering the installation of security alarms, to heat and water supply companies, offering conclusion of security contracts, but in reality do not protect anything. In case of failure - provocation.
This is a feeding trough. Legalized racketeering.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Horn

This is a feeding trough. Legalized racketeering.

So I’m talking about this.

[M72]

It is difficult to say who is to blame for what happened. I think that there is no clear guilt of any one, many factors converge that led to this tragedy.
As I understand it, my father kept his weapons in a safe, but if there are hunters here, then they understand that for the family there is no secret where the keys are.
Did your parents overlook the upbringing? And who of the parents (especially the father) would think that his son, especially an excellent pupil / nerd, is capable of this?
Man is a social being, which means the whole society forms him as a person.
What to do? ... I do not know. It seems to me that for sure there is no point in schools recruiting special forces as security guards. Prohibiting weapons or restricting their circulation is also meaningless. In this case, if they had even come to their father earlier to check the storage of weapons, then they would not have revealed any violations - they are standing in a safe under lock and key.
In short, one cannot prepare for such a situation. If someone, outwardly, is quite normal, even the roof will successfully move off, then this is an accident that cannot be prevented.

[crbvbyjr]

What to do ? rabid dogs shoot. what better than crazy people.

[Svetlana]

Agree with you. The causes of the tragedy may be a huge number. And on the spot to identify her, find the guilty - it is extremely difficult, but simply impossible. We do not know anything, we can only draw conclusions based on our life experience. It is clear that the murder was committed in cold blood and thought out in advance. But what could have happened to make a decent child, an excellent pupil (and not some ragged bully whose parents are drunk), make a deliberate murder? In 15 years, the teenager has a very unstable psyche, they can do things in a rage, but in this situation the murder was planned in advance. For this, indeed, it is necessary that a person lose the meaning of life, lose the feeling of its value. So what happened? What has broken inside him? Many people know that there are teachers in schools who should not be allowed near children. Illiterate, uncultured tyrants, having less knowledge than the student himself, smartly mocking children, feeling some pleasure from this, because the student always depends in many respects on the teacher, on his personal attitude to the student. Such can, indeed, bring an unstable children's psyche to a nervous breakdown. But we do not know whether the deceased teacher was such. Will there be a normal investigation in all circumstances? And this is necessary in order to draw conclusions - who is really to blame for what happened? In order to prevent bad teachers from children, to punish parents as people involved directly or indirectly in these killings, so that, if not the state, but we ourselves, as parents, know what our actions, rash words, lack of attention or our parental warmth to the child, or, conversely, excessive custody. We, the society, have the right in such situations to know all the smallest details of the life of this boy, the features of his personality, the characterization of this teacher, compiled from the stories of all the schoolchildren from whom he taught, and the feedback of his colleagues to make up the true picture of what happened.

[hohryakov066]

Judging by the available facts of the killer's biography, he is a pronounced victim of a specifically Western lifestyle. This is expressed in the fact that from childhood this unfortunate man was completely provided for and did not feel any need for anything, his parents (who were engaged in obtaining "well-being") did not bother especially with upbringing, having access to the Internet, the guy perceived as truth all the pseudo-philosophical shit, which freely splashes around the edges of the screen of any site (including even on VO). Nobody (and, first of all, the daddy of an ignoramus) thought about how all this could end. Access to lethal weapons was practically free. Here is the logical result for you.
Security for the school for the money available to the school can only be hired as it was hired (retired under 60). The police outfit, who arrived on the "alarm" - the driver and the OVO fighter did not expect armed resistance and were substituted in the most obvious way. Surely all the previous trips to trigger the alarm at this school were caused by the elementary appearance of not sober parents at the school or by disassembly of students. Nobody gave any information about possible armed resistance alongside (interestingly, the CHOPovets who pressed the "panic button" on "02" did not guess to call?). As a result, 2 corpses, one in intensive care, and created a gorgeous precedent for other mentally detained. And of course they will find the "extreme" ones! We bet that the school director, the entire vertical of commanders in the police, the private security company and the pensioner in person, the LRS inspection in full force will suffer (even if it turns out that the weapon was kept in accordance with all the rules during the check), the district police officer is obligatory.

[fennekRUS]

Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. I'll figure it out as it should, and I will punish anyone horrible! (with)

[kaktus]

It would be better if he shot himself ....

[shitovmg]

It's not about the guards, but the matter is about the legislators who pass laws that are not financially secure. That should be so, and then the grass does not grow ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: shitovmg

It's not about the guards, but the matter is about the legislators who pass laws that are not financially secure.

And how do you think the law can prohibit juvenile d ****** from not killing? He is not the only one, there are a lot of murders involving youngsters in the country, but a small percentage of them is covered in the media.

[polly]

The problem (and not a little one!) Is in this very prosperous family. The family is primary, and not school, society, etc. My grandmother, who went to meet an adult guy at school, says a lot. In general, it is necessary that more than one child grow up in a family: they are large families, as a rule, who are healthy and do not become psychopaths with fat!

[Greenwood]

Quote: polly

more than one child grew up in a family: large families, they are usually healthy

Having more than one child in Russia is extremely problematic. I think it’s not worth explaining why ...

[hohryakov066]

Let me disagree with you. The number of children "more than one" facilitates both the upbringing and maintenance of children. Verified by personal experience.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Greenwood

Having more than one child in Russia is extremely problematic. I think it’s not worth explaining why ...

Let’s just don’t; it’s from a series that I don’t want to serve in this army, where ..., but in another I would be happy; I don’t want to abide by the laws, because they are like that ... but if they were good, please be forever. The emphasis is especially on Russia that in it de this is impossible, and it is impossible, not like they have there. Those who want it have 2, 3, and more children, who don’t want, they are looking for some excuses.

[copper49]

The excellent student had obvious schizophrenia. This is indicated by a lot. And this disease of his could not be noticed by his parents. Like his aggressiveness hidden from many. It should have been reduced to a psychiatrist, but how is this possible - a stigma for the rest of your life! But obviously his father taught him how to handle weapons, and did not hide the keys to the safe with weapons far from him.
Throughout my life, I have met several people with schizophrenia (at least one in a hundred people has such a thing). None of them were dangerous to others, so - disorders of logic, delusional ideas about some things, hallucinations, persecution mania.
But this one is a geek in the full sense of the word. Until the end of his worthless life, a thirst for murder and violence will sit in him. The death of others will be an object of admiration for him. But he will serve no more than 10 years, if in a psychiatric hospital - and even less, until cure.

[saag]

This is information for everyone to think about introducing short-barreled firearms into wide circulation, with them the shots will be healthy in schools, and you don’t have to convince yourself and especially others that this cannot be, even as it will be

[rereture]

Please tell me how the acquisition and storage of short-arms will differ from the storage of rifles and rifles?

Do you think the guns will be sold on the side of the road?

If a guy wouldn’t get a rifle, would he come with an ax, would anything change?

No prohibitions will save anyone from a crazy person; he wants to kill a brick with a bang.

[borisjdin1957]

from the Don.
I agree that we now have: john: society. The impact of the street, the media, the Internet, the irresponsibility of parents, spiritual emptiness is the cause of the tragedy. Condolences to the families of the victims!

[DZ_98_B]

Computer shooters take out the brains of children completely. But is it just them? "the class greeted him with laughter" And what's so funny about the fact that the person was late? ... The fact that the guy went crazy is a fact. But could it have been prevented ???? Unfortunately I know a similar case that happened in 84-86. A 10th grade girl, an excellent student, stabbed a Russian language teacher for giving her 4 .... this is about computer games, in those years, if only "just wait a minute"

[hohryakov066]

Children's collective is a very cruel society. It has always been that way. Just in the days of the USSR, children from childhood were instilled with certain patterns of behavior. This does not mean that such cases did not occur in Soviet times, but the fact that such emergency situations were extremely rare is a fact. It's just that now in schools, and in the family, completely different moral imperatives dominate.

[DZ_98_B]

I apologize, but it’s probably not worth blaming my father for the improper storage of weapons. And the fact that he taught his son how to handle weapons, shooting ... honestly, I am proud that my sons are good shooters. maybe I'm wrong.

[Max otto]

Quote: DZ_98_B

I apologize, but it’s probably not worth blaming my father for the improper storage of weapons. And the fact that he taught his son how to handle weapons, shooting ... honestly, I am proud that my sons are good shooters. maybe I'm wrong.

Not right unambiguously. My daughter, 14 years old, also knows how to shoot, I taught (in an ordinary dash), but I always carry my keys with me. The fact that he taught was okay, but the fact that he kept the keys to the safe in the house would not hurt to give a deadline. A person does not give a damn about all the rules; if you have a weapon, you have a responsibility to the whole society. Why should the keys to the safe be with the person who has the right to it, I think it’s not worth explaining?

[hohryakov066]

Exactly what it costs! A child (even a high school student) does not have the right to touch a weapon without permission! It should be literally driven into his head. Dad would keep his weapons as it should and there would be no tragedy! The fact that you teach your son how to handle weapons is wonderful, but you do not allow him to use weapons without your permission? If you allow, then he can use it just to say to respond to an insult from an outsider. By virtue of youthful maximalism. Would you like it?

[rereture]

It should be literally driven into his head. Dad would keep his weapons as it should and there would be no tragedy!

Do not carry nonsense.

If a person goes to such actions, then he does not care about the prohibitions.
Or do you think that he would ask Bati permission to take a gun at school to shoot?

[hohryakov066]

So I say - if the weapon were closed in the safe and the dad would carry the key with him and the kid would not get to him!

[rereture]

You put all the blame on the father and the gun.

I wouldn’t get to the weapon, I would go to school with a knife or an ax. What difference would a person have been killed, the tragedy could not be avoided

[UzRus]

But it’s just not with a brick, and not with a knife, namely with firearms.

[rereture]

When you kill a father-in-law with a knife you don’t care, but how did you use a firearm, so immediately ban?

[DZ_98_B]

I apologize, but it’s probably not worth blaming my father for the improper storage of weapons. And the fact that he taught his son how to handle weapons, shooting ... honestly, I am proud that my sons are good shooters. maybe I'm wrong.

[PValery53]

Several coinciding factors led to the tragic event. But this does not absolve the culprit who pulled the trigger! Even if it is crazy, it should be completely "closed" from society!

[Jarilo]

Quote: PValery53

But this does not absolve the culprit who pulled the trigger! Even if it is crazy, it should be completely "closed" from society!

Yes, do not hesitate about this, it will be closed (for a long time) ....... but will the correct conclusions be made, why did this happen and how to avoid this in the future? Or, as usual with us, to ban everything, to bend everyone, well, as usual, to reward the uninvolved and punish the innocent ...
I think the problem is not with the particular boy, or with the keys to the safe with weapons. In modern society, there is no morality, values ​​have changed, human life is not worth a penny. The problem of raising children is a difficult thing, and one family cannot cope here, both school and society must participate, and most importantly this should become an important task of the state.

[rereture]

The school has no educational function, and everyone knows that those who study well always get from those who study poorly. In the program for Russia1 was his classmate, she was asked:

-Do you know him as a person?
-No
-He studied well?
Yeah
-What can you tell about him?
-Nothing
-And he behaved somehow strange?
- He was nervous, but I don’t know.

They studied at the place for 10 years, and she does not know anything about him except that he studied well.

[ArhipenkoAndrey]

Such an event took place in Moscow and this is symbolic - all the reforms were blown from there and now another one has happened - now wait for a surge in Russia, and the boy just saw enough Chernukha on NTV and other channels, he popped up on the Internet and under some kind of psychological doping, only a question where did you get the weapon? Indeed, in the country it is forbidden to have military weapons on the farm, in the states it is understandable, but with us? A teenager easily gets a gun, then what about the action movies? They do not need to drag him from his homeland. Everything is on time, somehow simple, but a good organization can be seen, for some reason it looks like a rehearsal, God forbid that I make a mistake.

[JonnyT]

Birth of the next Pomazun!

The guard did not fulfill his function! He must be judged for negligence!
And this philosopher, who did not read Dostoevsky into prison, and for a long time .....
Teachers, too, to check all for professional suitability ..... after all, apparently to his "smart" reasoning he came not himself, but with someone's help

[lazy]

Dostoevsky also had a thought in my mind whether they had passed it already, and how he felt about Raskolnikov, by the way, is another example that the gun is not to blame, if something can happen with an ax. the main thing is in a person’s head

[Sanyht]

realistically: IT IS NECESSARY TO JUDGE KILLERS AND TERRORISTS BY THE LAWS OF WAR TIME ... and not by the terms of the Europeans! this one, given that he was teased, will receive a suspended sentence, and his parents a fine.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I don’t like that such a hype is inflated in the media (alas, you don’t shut your mouth.) They make a hero out of a psycho .. Like an epidemic of such shootings in schools wouldn’t go .. At this age, teenagers have a vague concept between black and white .. I can imagine now you learn from teachers in Russia, you’re learning .. And then the bam came to shoot for 2. Psychologists need professional ones to school .. (my wife worked as a psychologist with my soul and I had a lot of conflicts with children and teachers) then I reduced the rate, I don’t need a psychologist but in vain .. And especially for such nerds watched .. Here such things!

[VadimSt]

Such is the result of solipsism ...

Somehow flew past the epilogue.
Solipsism? Snotty "mama sons"! From which both the army and society as a whole suffer.

[Shurale]

And whether the guy was under the drug, it is very similar to the article, and I do not even exclude that he himself could not suspect that under the drug ...

[UzRus]

Well, I don't even know ... I was also an excellent student, I finished school with a medal. Yes, there were frictions with teachers, but what about without it? There was dissatisfaction with the estimates, which, as it seemed to me, were somewhat underestimated. But this personally stimulated me even more: “Oh, teacher, did you give me a“ 4 ”? But to KILL the teacher because of this ????????? Excuse me, of course, but this is, to put it mildly, a sick person. And about upbringing ... Those who say that the main educator is the family are right. For me, my father's word was iron, because he is my father. And that's all.

[hohryakov066]

Totally agree with you! There’s nothing more to add.

[Vadim12]

The police showed negligence, appearing without bronikov to the office. One victim and a destroyed family could be less.

[kotvov]

they were wearing bronics, but the injuries were strange. And the brains of this arrow are exactly curtailed. The deputies, as always, are nonsense. The problem, I think, is in the general upbringing trend both at school and at home, and throughout the country.

[hohryakov066]

Now without broniks they no longer serve. Most likely, either the bronik was in the light version (without plates) or shot the patient in the head.

[Oleg Sobol]

Quote: vasiliysxx

Then you need to ask this question first of all to the security agency, which employs untrained pensioners in the pursuit of profit.

In our school there are grandmothers "security guards", they won't even press a button. The wave has already started yesterday. The governor ordered to check all schools for the quality of protection. And that they should be checked if there are grandparents in almost all schools ... And the result will be the same, the extortion from parents to "strengthen" security will increase.

[Yun Klob]

Poor child, read by philosophers. Who generally allowed the child to read books?

[zorch]

Alas, in my opinion we are starting to reap the first fruits of unresolved challenges.
Today our children have a new educator - the Internet community. Unlike bad company or bad games or movies or books, this leverage on the younger generation is practically beyond the control of parents, school, state, and clergy. The interested forces have long been carrying out purposeful work to "educate" the future generation of Russia. Today, the Internet community has a huge impact on the formation of the value system and, therefore, the immature mind of the child. The state should actively protect the citizens of the country from ideological influence and support projects that bring up children.
The family is often weakened when the parents work hard or the family is in trouble. It is necessary to carry out explanatory work with parents, to strengthen the family. School helps here.
I would suggest online resources that have a harmful effect on fostering culture in children to fine or close.

[rereture]

state, clergy.

It was not enough for me that the state and religion climbed into my circle of contacts and indicated where to communicate with my child, I'm sorry, but somehow I'll figure it out myself. And the clergy, I will not let a step to the child.

I would suggest online resources that have a harmful effect on fostering culture in children to fine or close.

Or maybe it's easier, let's not let children on the Internet?

[Dimkapvo]

The average cost of a contract for the protection of educational institutions by state tender - 60 rubles per post (my former colleague heads a private security company in St. Petersburg) (these are 000 people with a regime of a day or three + taxes). What quality of security can you talk about for that kind of money? Therefore, they hire grandfathers and grandmothers who have a pension, and this is just "sit for a ruble." You have to pay completely different money for high-quality protection, but the state apparently does not need it. In general, I think that schools should be protected by "sovereign people" with appropriate training and wages.

[DimychDV]

Yes! c ** ko, now shiver, teachers !!! Sobbing lawyers will justify any failed killer. So now only this way: there is a computer - a march to a class with distance learning. There is a TV - there too. And only children from sectarian and low-income families will communicate with teachers - who, in principle, does not watch TV.

[irka_65. irina]

What demolished a teenager? Not we will understand this. Woe is it for everyone. For the whole country. And the fact that people died, and the fact that in a modern school is becoming a place of increased risk. Lord, it couldn’t even have crossed my mind in the Soviet years to hire guards at school. Baba Shura sat on watch, gave calls and carried chalk to classes. Survived, come. Americanization in full glory.

[Alex]

I believe that the main fault lies first of all with the daddy of this idiot. Before teaching his son to shoot, it is necessary to hammer into his head that this "toy" is extremely dangerous, the rules of handling weapons. My father, a hunter, taught me this at one time, that the first rule is still in my head: never point, even a discharged weapon, towards a person. And of course, you should only carry the keys to the safe with you. And as for the professionalism of the PSC staff, you should have seen what kind of contingent there is! And I must say that not the best are sent to guard schools. And the level of training of police officers leaves much to be desired. Just look at the mortality rate during various counter-terrorism measures.

[Bezz]

Quote: Ralex

And as for the professionalism of the employees of the private security company, you would see what kind of contingent there is! And I must say that not the best are sent to the protection of schools. Yes, and the level of training of police officers leaves much to be desired. It is enough to look at the level of mortality during various counter-terrorism measures.

I wonder if the policemen had weapons? Why without body armor, if without it? If there were weapons, what kind of guards? What are the awards for? Then immediately "Heroes of Russia" will be given after the "police academy behind the ear." Not law enforcement, but a bunch of amateurs, especially freebies and dough.

[Manul]

Quote: Bezz

I wonder if the policemen had weapons? Why without body armor, if without it? If there were weapons, what kind of guards? What are the awards for? Then immediately "Heroes of Russia" will be given after the "police academy behind the ear." Not law enforcement, but a bunch of amateurs, especially freebies and dough.

And how can we talk about the killed and wounded like this ??? At what they performed their official and civic duty. And you? It’s disgusting to hear such speeches. You still blame our soldiers that they died on the battlefield, because the orders were bad, the weapons were outdated and there were few cartridges.

[irka_65. irina]

At the school where my daughter is studying, security is just a laugh. Ordinary watchmen. Anyone and anytime can come to school, to whom they go, why they go, nobody cares.

[Bezz]

I watched the video about the shooter. The video shows very clearly how this nerd drags two heavy guns for him in cases. To uncover them, get them (and possibly collect them) takes time and obviously not three seconds. How long did it take for the valiant security to "PERFORM its work - to press the panic button, at gunpoint"? Truly - "Looking at the world, one cannot help but be surprised!" True, Kozma.

[Isk1984]

Well, actually, the case for our sick society is not so untypical, just another abscess burst, of course, the journalists inflated everything to the scale of an interplanetary conspiracy, found out that his dad was almost a special agent, that his mother reads him psalms from childhood, here mental disorder from childhood (God forbid anyone), an excellent student is not an excellent student, just in modern society, everyone at all ... you know, but the consequences of hysteria are improper storage of weapons and so on, how can you not trust your own son ( nevertheless, the boy is not 5 years old), of course, he knew where the guns were, in my family, for example, from childhood, my dad taught my son to arms and right now (6 years old), he and his grandfather sit on a pair of clean and carbines and pump action, rules weapons (from the childhood) are laid down from childhood; this is a case rather an exception to the rule, the subjective factor played a role, just now conversations about toughening the punishment for storage, and so on, when the devastation in the heads at the very top. But in general, the signs of a mediocre society, like the collapse of the USSR, do nothing good, from education to the construction of aircraft carriers ...

[UzRus]

Dear, if dad had the key to the "pyramid" with him, nothing would have happened. What does the culture of handling weapons have to do with it?

[rereture]

It would happen, but in a different way, the guy would take a kitchen knife or hatchet for cutting meat. And he would have cut off the teacher. The tragedy as it was and remains.

It’s not weapons that kill - people kill.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Isk1984

Well, how can you not trust your own son (after all, the boy is not 5 years old), of course he knew where the weapon lies

If children have access to weapons, there is a chance of an emergency. True, grade 10 is really not small. This is at 8-10 years old, I remember, hunting cartridges equipped with bullets, a hammer on the capsule ... And then they found the bullets for some reason not in the board on which the cartridges were placed, but in different other places. On the other hand, fun with throwing live ammunition into the bonfire was submissive to all school ages.
With all this, in my memory, all accidents with children were associated with uncontrolled access to hunting rifles.
Yes, do not tighten storage. Legal storage precludes such wild cases. Tighten enforcement. At least after the state of emergency additional checks, conversations with those owners who are parents. But the police have a stopudovy excuse - the district policemen are sewing up work once. Can not argue with that.

[skullcap]

Quote: Isk1984

of course, the journalists themselves inflated to the scale of the interplanetary conspiracy

So journalists earn their own piece of butter. Fat-eaters, damn ...
And none of them will ever "niv zhist" go to the machine or to schools! As once the officers, cut by a bald idiot

[dmb]

And again, the vile media showed itself in all its glory. Children were only freed from capture, and they poked their microphones in their faces. With pride, issued almost for heroism, they report that they reached the neighbors, and they told them about the moral appearance of the unfortunate family, choke with admiration, showing Kolokoltsev, who visited the wounded policeman. Kolkoltsev, maybe he did a good deed, but why his good deed should be reported to the whole country. Let’s tell you tomorrow that he, Kolokoltsev, transferred the old woman across the street.

[calocha]

With such an education, it will not be that much !!! You need to engage in sports, in different circles ... The state should think about that !!! Much has been left "on its own". The EGE will be remembered for more than a decade.

[Egoza]

I express my condolences to the families of the victims.
And yet, let's consider: I'll make a reservation right away - all the previous opinions expressed are correct. But everyone considers particulars - parents, guards, teachers ... but these people are also members of society! And therefore, I believe that society is primarily to blame, which generates such situations and has already re-educated many of our people. Look around! After all, in order to become a "successful person" you need to reject all morality, sometimes walk over corpses in the literal and figurative sense of the word. And what parent does not want his child to be "successful"? And how many examples can be cited when parents frighten their child (who is undoubtedly the most talented, the most intelligent, worthy of a luxurious life) "What are you? Do you want to become a teacher? Will you work for a penny? Look at your teacher! How he dresses!" Study to become a lawyer, economist, manager ... "And a teacher? You noticed the phrase of your classmates: "He found an inaccuracy in the teacher's statement and since then he rarely attended his classes!" What is it like? Yes, before, both the teacher and the class teacher checked the magazine almost every day, but once a week it was a must! Skipping a lesson - a call to parents, an entry in a diary, a call to the director ... And here - silence. Capitalist society has elevated rudeness, ignorance, and disregard for work into dignity. Striving to achieve the goal at ANY COST! AND INDIFFERENT !!!
Honor and praise to those who still preserve our family’s primordial values, morality, and cultivate respect for people, regardless of their salaries, nationality, or position. Who understands his responsibility, first of all, to his children. But the situation described in the article can be repeated more than once if significant changes in society as a whole are not introduced.

[UzRus]

Always carry the keys to the safe with weapons and the 15-year-old débils of teachers and police will not kill. Everything else you said is common truth.

[Per se.]

You can, of course, look for a causal connection in the teenager’s access to weapons, in the neglect of his duties as a security guard, and the insufficient professionalism of the task force. Yes, exclude any bad link in this sequence, and tragedy could have been avoided. Nevertheless, to me personally, the opinions of Elena and Oleg Chuvakin are closer, all these are consequences of one big problem - our society is in pain, and this disease is spreading all over the world like a virus, whose name is capitalism. The lack of spirituality from the cult of consumerism and the cult of profit, the world under the rule of a nest of ghouls, which have long been moral dead, but the dead endowed with power over the world, which they are more likely to destroy than release their tentacles from their blood-sticky blood. Even the church is no longer a panacea for morality, where the same Vatican is mired in sins, with cardinals pedophiles and priests homosexuals. It seems that the great mission of Russia consisted of this, during the creation of the Soviet Union, this is a counterweight to the dark side. Denying God, it was the Communists who were closest to the commandments of Christ. A boy with a gun is a litmus, an indicator of our disease. I don’t know if the elections are deciding now, but we can raise our children, we remember something different, not measured by money alone, we must pass this on to our children, like ourselves, remembering morality, to resist corruption in our hearts. Perhaps all this sounds idealistic, but is there really another cure for what is turning our whole world into Sodom and Gomorrah?

[Internal combustion engine]

"Are Gordeev's crimes a trend?" the author asks and answers: "Hardly." Oh well. It is enough to look at the USA to the ideals of which the current authorities are leading us.

[The gentleman]

at one time I saw the movie "kids" in 1996, American production. and then thoughts arose: on the one hand, it's cool, all the same, adults, but on the other, it's good that it's not like that with us. We respect our elders and have always been afraid of teachers and God forbid the teacher would call the parents that your child behaved badly at school. and we ourselves were to blame for getting twos.
in our time, there were also tough guys who were "outrageous", but nevertheless were equal to gaining knowledge, striving. children began to grow up early, there is no control. and here I agree with the author that this is not a trend, has not yet dropped to the state level, but this is a call. after all, in fact, what is happening in schools is silent. stories of students, teachers on the Internet shaft, but this is not submitted for discussion, for reflection. and let all sorts of doctors of sciences continue to study everything from books.

[basil200]

At school, we were afraid and respected by the teacher, now the children trample them with their rights. I myself have been playing PS since grade 6, then there were still doom games, fornication, karmageddon those who played knew. Now they say games spoil children (just reduce the time of the game). From childhood, I knew where Bati had a gun, under the bed and sofa. They are now in the safe. Who will go to school as a guard where the salary is 10000, and 1500 children should be looked after. There are old people and retirees, who cannot imagine that today's children are like that. Previously, the children were different. Previously, a Trudovik or a physical education instructor could have taught a lesson in a dark corner of the hall, now for this period. Class teachers go home and take a receipt from their parents saying that during the flood or vacation they are responsible for their children and not the class teacher. So do not run into security guards, teachers and educators. After the reform, they are engaged in paperwork. Throw stones at the ministers of education.

[The gentleman]

Quote: basil200

At school, we were afraid and respected by the teacher, now the children trample them with their rights. I myself have been playing PS since grade 6, then there were still doom games, fornication, karmageddon those who played knew. Now they say games spoil children (just reduce the time of the game). From childhood, I knew where Bati had a gun, under the bed and sofa. They are now in the safe. Who will go to school as a guard where the salary is 10000, and 1500 children should be looked after. There are old people and retirees, who cannot imagine that today's children are like that. Previously, the children were different. Previously, a Trudovik or a physical education instructor could have taught a lesson in a dark corner of the hall, now for this period. Class teachers go home and take a receipt from their parents saying that during the flood or vacation they are responsible for their children and not the class teacher. So do not run into security guards, teachers and educators. After the reform, they are engaged in paperwork. Throw stones at the ministers of education.

you said about the guard. so if the guard even makes a remark to the child, at least he will hear a good mate, and as a maximum the father will come and give the child this head on this guard

[Terrible ensign]

Article plus! Alexey very correctly put the emphasis.
In the comments, as usual, emotions prevail over a sound approach. Moreover, some colleagues are eager to add, to pull into the discussion, the possible nationality of the teenager and other details of little relevance.
I will try to speak essentially:
1. The teenager was lost in the family - that is, the direct fault of the parents is that they did not take care of their own child.
2. The teenager’s father is directly to blame for the fact that the child (though already a big one, but essentially still a child) had weapons - he did not provide control over the safety of weapons and ammunition - criminal negligence, which entailed a series of murders.
3. Gaps in the upbringing of the child (primarily the lack of attention on the part of the parents and the lack of a normal dialogue) created psychological problems in the adolescent. A school psychologist, teachers, and a class teacher looked at the guy’s IT. There is an indirect fault of the school and teachers.
4. Nominal protection at school is not absolutely necessary, if it is protection it should really protect.
The RF Law on "CHODD" does not allow the guard to take active actions aimed specifically at protecting the life and health of citizens and maintaining the security regime, focusing on the protection of property. Fuck ... I then have it all? THIS IS THE FAILURE OF THE LEGISLATOR - THE STATE DUMA, THE FEDERATION COUNCIL AND THE PROFILE COMMITTEES ON SECURITY.
Issuing batons to security guards in schools with the previous algorithm of actions will not correct the situation.
5. Actions of a specific guard ... Coward, m.i.n.zh.o.v.k.a, disabled in the head. I was afraid to neutralize the boy. (Probably not a father, not a parent - I can't understand such a person) I could at least duplicate the pressing of the button by calling the central center (N) or service "02" with a description of the situation. Who is the devil head of a school to inform about an armed attack?! .. With regard to the situation - in the last place ...
6. It is striking the carelessness of the State Defense Department. Gentlemen policemen relaxed. At one time I was constantly instructed, and then I myself, several times during the briefing and the divorce of the outfits, instructed and reminded the invaders: "Departure to trigger the panic button - exit to a serious crime being committed !!! Readiness for anything! .. Bulletproof vests and helmets - in obligatory! .. "(We have: LOW-RIFLE, two hits in the deceased - chest and stomach ... - WHERE IS THE ARMOR?!?) Employees themselves are indirectly to blame for the results of such" professional work "- one was killed, the other was wounded. Question: what to reward for?!? The leadership of such policemen should be punished.
Conclusions: All are to blame. I'm sorry for everyone. Especially a geography teacher ... He is clearly an extreme and hostage situation at that time.
If: the parents were parents - they brought up and looked after the child normally, the school workers noticed the boy's problems, and the psychologist tested and understood in a timely manner, .. the security guard did not treat his work as a sinecure causing the straightening of the brain "alarm" - there would be no resonant case.
And the media would not have to write once again vulgarity and nonsense ...

[nerd.su]

Quote: Scary ensign

The RF Law on "CHODD" does not allow the guard to take active actions aimed specifically at protecting the life and health of citizens and maintaining the security regime, focusing on the protection of property.

Try bringing a knife to a more serious nightclub. Well done there, wow! Bogatyrs! If you type in the search engine "the work of the security of the nightclub X in the city of U", you can see how the guys treat customers that are impolite from their point of view.
So it’s better not to attract lawmakers here, they just again some kind of hu ... will make an unsuccessful decision.

Quote: Scary ensign

The disorganization of the GZ OVO is striking. The gentlemen of the police relaxed.

There is a video, I watched it yesterday, I don't remember the name. There, in particular, the chief of police of the Moscow district, where this school is located, said that both were in armored vehicles, the first bullet entered the side through the arm, as I understand it, through the armpit. The second, it seems, the bulletproof vest did not save. Well, at least one "small bore rifle" was a 7,62 caliber hunting carbine.

Quote: Scary ensign

A school psychologist, teachers, and a class teacher looked at the guy’s IT. There is an indirect fault of the school and teachers.

And what is it? What should they see? Nerds do not cause anything to anyone. The boy is studying well, he can debate with teachers - well done! The geographer on inaccuracies caught and ceased to respect - youthful maximalism. Now, if it turns out that the boy voiced his intentions like that - then yes, the pedagogical flaw. It was necessary to convey to dad, maybe he would put the key to the safe in his pocket.

[Genur]

Naturally - sorry for the innocent victims of this scumbag.
It is not clear only why the "heroes" of the "Hero of Russia" were not given ..

[Leader]

Magazines are to blame for everything! This is not a pity ...
And what does the guard have to do with it? Who is this anyway? The very idea of ​​private security in state institutions is utter nonsense.
Russia is the birthplace of terrorism, and since the end of the 80s - the omnipotence of bandits at all levels.

2 hours after the tragedy, no one knows anything yet, and the Investigative Committee is already commenting: the boy has a nervous breakdown ... Who are the parents of this ur ..... eh !!!
Only the prohibition of the use of the term "parliamentary immunity", executions and confiscations will save the country.

[drop]

Dear VO readers, this is a tragedy of our society. Let's start with TV. There are films about murders, criminals, mints, prosecutors, prostitutes, etc. Who will be a hero in society after that? Why this dirty trick is removed and shown in the country for budgetary funds, who is being corrupted by our media.
I went to college in 15 years after the 7 class. At the post even before the oath, we stood with weapons, but without cartridges. Only at the warehouses there were military weapons posts, and this was in the center of Leningrad in the 1953-1957 years. No one had the idea to shoot the company commander, foreman, pomkomvzvoda for the outfit out of turn. Where are we going. When art tips begin to look what they give to the younger generation. I am a doctor of sciences, professor, merit. Scientist of the Russian Federation, Laureate of state. premiums. I was in alterations, in local wars, but I saw senior commanders insure the young and protect them. President of the country, we need to change the principles of education and find other priorities for young people. We will lose her.

[Vasia kruger]

The article is good.
But the aftertaste of events in all Moscow schools is simply disgusting.
Checks began on everything and everyone. Not only security, but also fire safety for example (this will help a lot damn)

Blaming the shootings or the Internet ... this is unwise, I doubt that it even somehow affected.
I see the reasons as follows.
1. The psychological atmosphere (in the state as a whole, in the classroom, in the family)
2. The internal head cockroaches of the offender, possibly serious mental disorders.
3. Parents, or rather upbringing ... if a 10th grade student is met by a grandmother ... this is a paragraph.
Are the teachers to blame ... but FIG knows there is no information, but IMHO's parents are obliged to monitor the child.

The availability of weapons ... it’s not at all a fact that the keys to the safe were accessible, on the market there are fairly cheap models of safes that break with almost bare hands, and locks from mailboxes.

Someone suggested equipping teachers? This is generally utter nonsense in my personal evaluative opinion. At school, losing a weapon is a hundred times easier than anywhere else, this is due to the high concentration of children, who may well stiffen it, including primitive hooligan considerations.

[Rodriques]

Something I did not understand, how much they paid to the participants of the program "Let them talk", classmates and teachers, that no one said that the photo in the hall was a completely different guy, innocent. Here are the bastards, inhumans.

[Ser]

It is a pity, of course, to the victims of the shooter, the shooter himself, condolences to loved ones. But this will not help anyone. You will not return it back. Now it remains to draw the appropriate conclusions for us, the parents, and all who owe it. First of all, why did all this happen? It seems to me that the parents, the school, or rather the education system are to blame, and, I don’t know how to express it, our time itself. I am the parent of a kid of the same age. The mistakes of parents are that we put pressure on the child, God forbid it lags behind in studies, God forbid it stays somewhere. He will lose time! He will sit down late for lessons! The child thereby stops communicating with others, and this is important. He withdraws into himself, into his "world." He leaves the realities. What is at school? The child does not come to school, but to some information center. Where he is stuffed with the necessary and unnecessary information (open the textbooks, you will see). Constantly remind about the exam. The child comes from school squeezed out, and then there are lessons. At least, if you work hard, from 3 to 5 hours. Because of this, we had to quit sports (judo). And he played sports for 8 years. Then he only has time to sleep. And so in a circle for 6 days. What about computer games? This is horror. Here is the KID and RAPED. Therefore, I allow the child to access the computer for 1 hour a day. Better to let him sleep more - this is the best medicine for relieving stress. For comparison. How did I grow myself? Finished high school without stress. After school, he threw textbooks so that he could hardly find in the morning. I finished on 4 and 5. I graduated from the institute without too much stress. And now, I think, I have not lagged behind new technologies in my specialty. The fault of the education system is that it relies on cramming, and not on explaining, understanding the basics of subjects. And this information flow, moreover, changes daily 6, sometimes 7 times. In this mode, not only a child, an adult will experience breakdown.Everyone is different.

[Vadim2013]

TV affects youth. On TV series, where the murders and heroes of the bandits.

[Klim podkova]

Now it is necessary for the media to correctly "play out" this situation. Not an "unfortunate boy", but a "geek, murderer, etc." so that other suffering schizophrenics do not want to draw attention to themselves in this way. Parents should be ostracized. Mother abandoned this bastard. With the murderer's father, normal people should stop greeting, should spit after. And don't: "They're not to blame!" - to blame! And I'm not sorry for them. I'm sorry for the victims.

[report4]

Quote: Klim Podkova

Normal people should stop saying hello to the killer’s father, and they shouldn’t give a damn.

In fact, they will initiate a case (or have already opened one) by 224 and he will most likely be judged and sentenced by it.

[mark7]

Quote: report4

convicted and sentenced.

Holy simplicity - read above, who they are, today showed Vasilyeva refused to go to court and the court transferred, as you

[Khan]

This young scum killed two people and maimed a third, it was necessary to eliminate him upon arrest. And people look, look, he killed two and one of them was a policeman, and what did they give him, and he is a minor for two months now. And the police surprise their colleague, they killed them, and they look to wait when they are shot and people draw conclusions, if a police official is killed and the killer has nothing, then this says that we have a bad law. The law should be like this: for murder there is death, and for the murder of a police officer there is a cruel death, the law is based on fear and the inevitability of punishment for the crime committed.

[Uhe]

What if the policeman had previously tortured people - inserted bottles into their butts, beaten them, and then his “grateful” relatives removed him for this?

The authorities need to change. From anti-people to people's, then the laws will be people's, and the guards will be people's, not policemen.

This dude is a product of today's ugly society. Not a state, but a Kingdom of crooked mirrors. Teenagers and other people see that officials are allowed everything, but people are allowed nothing. Do you think brainless people live in 10th grade? The guy went crazy in terms of the sum of his parameters, apparently. But society does not recognize such people, because civil society does not exist in the Russian Federation - it was destroyed during the long and bestial reforms. They monitized society: money is a commodity. Here is the result of lack of spirituality, according to which the one with the power is right; man is a wolf to man - this is what life, and, more often than not, modern school teaches us today. This is exactly what the teacher is talking about. She tried to instill spiritual values, but the guy sees the exact opposite around him, his fragile brains can’t stand it. Then tighten the nuts as you suggest? Well, look at the USA. Policemen there are shot much more often than here, although the culprit is sent to execution almost the next day after his arrest. And what? Nothing, everything continues: policemen beat people, kill them at the slightest suspicion and disobedience, and in return receive kickbacks from people. Nothing changes, only the state’s pressure on citizens is tightened, but happiness does not come. Because the government does not serve the people, and the people serve as slaves to the real rulers.

I personally don’t understand why the mother refused to represent her son’s interests in court. You can’t give up on children in such a way that they won’t do something. Common fate, common karma. This means that there are difficulties in the family too. As are the parents, so are the children.

In any case, the entire Russian society and state are sliding into the abyss. It would have been impossible to even imagine such an emergency for another 30 years. Murder has always been an emergency, raised to the ears of all those responsible, punished and investigated thoroughly, but now it is a given. Let's make some noise and forget. We're used to it, sir.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Flog everyone for prevention (that’s what spirituality and education are all about))) (wicked joke..)))

[Max_Damage]

Nowadays there is a harmful atmosphere in schools for raising children. the other day I saw a conversation between a correspondent and a classmate of this guy, and he said that Gordeev “acted ugly.” What the hell does ugly mean? He shot at people. Is this called "ugly"? What would be beautiful? throw a grenade? What does it have to do with a “bad” and “guilty” teacher?

It’s just that what society is like, that’s how teenagers are. At 16 years old:
-whoever squeezes his classmates more at the disco is cooler;
-he who smokes, drinks and takes drugs is cooler;
- whoever mocks the weak better is the cool one;
-whoever has more of the same “successful” friends is cool;

I just remember finishing school myself. I remember how by the 9th grade the rivalry became simply crazy. And then a friend retrained along the way and his parents allowed him everything.
Finishing school is like the second birth of a person. The first time he is born and enters life. When he graduates from school, he enters “adult” life. And then a gun was at hand, and apparently the child’s parents were of some kind, since they brought him to the point of shooting, and then abandoned their son. Parents follow the principle “a lot of money - no need for intelligence.” Well, what else does a child need? He has a foreign car, he has money, he has a gun, we allow everything, what else does he need???!

[FunkschNNX]

"... is an adherent of the ideas of solipsism" damn it from my mind. If you really wanted to die, you would have shot it in your empty head,...you little fool.

[wanderer_032]

I read the article and concluded that this incident with shooting and death could have been avoided if a truly trained, professional security guard had served at the school.
And not the one mentioned in the article. Such people only disgrace the profession and often, when it is necessary to act, they simply drift and dump “in the bushes.”
Not only did he not react in time to the threat himself, leading the situation to the murder of a school teacher, but also, through his inaction, he exposed the guys from the State Bureau of Investigation of the OVO to bullets.
In fact, 3 people died from his inaction. This suggests that the private security company continues to hire such brainless and cowardly “weirdos” who are not capable of anything in an emergency situation.
And this despite the fact that private security companies annually take a rather difficult exam (which includes a test on the theoretical part of the work of security structures and practical shooting from service weapons for a while) to confirm their professional suitability. I wonder how such people remain in their ranks?
Security is the first obstacle in the way of such “elements” of society, and those who want to go there to work or who work in such offices should always remember this, and not just come for a salary.
Those who are not ready for this should not be there.

[Doctor Evil]

Dear wanderer_032. You won’t find a truly trained professional security guard at a school during the day. Firstly, no one will post a 6th grade security guard with a weapon there (mass gathering of minors). Secondly and MAINLY - they save as much as possible on security. Therefore, contracts are concluded with those security companies that ask for the minimum for their services. As a result, there seems to be security, but there is NO sense in it! The maximum they can do is press the CTS, after which they eliminate themselves. As a result, the RBI arrives either at the moment of the highest aggravation of the situation, or at a preliminary analysis.

[wanderer_032]

That's why I wrote my comment.
I consider it criminal to “save” on the safety of children.
The situation that happened at this school is far from the most difficult.
Now, if more than one 15-year-old brat came from whom it was quite possible to take away his weapon (using cunning and some technique from army hand-to-hand combat, for example) and lay him face down on the floor with his arms twisted, and at least three armed thugs came, or as in the case of Nord - Real terrorists, what would he do then?
I wouldn't even have time to put it in my pants.
An armed guard is all good, of course, but the gun on the side is not the main thing.
The main thing is that it’s a good idea that works at the right moment.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I remember now my childhood (10-12 years old) I made my first “zhigan” .. I pierced a bucket right through it from five meters away .. I went to the lake to shoot ducks (bypass, of course) the ancient instinct of a hunter played in me but to direct it at people, not even a thought crossed my mind. .Then he made a second copy that was more advanced (outwardly, it looked like a real military weapon, butt from the “air gun”, etc., he was very proud) and sold the second one to a “nerd” (damn businessman..) so this guy apparently went too far with gunpowder and almost lost his finger ..(his father is from the KGB) so I was terribly scared then, production immediately stopped the weapon, I destroyed it (it was a pity) I just intuitively understood that these were not toys (then this matter was hushed up..) And now they would have declared him a terrorist.. Then many boys were doing this, but for someone to shoot someone...

[rereture]

Even though I was born in the 90s, we also made self-propelled guns, bows, crossbows, and spears from old knives. They played with knives. We dabbled with saltpeter, carbide, and dry ice.

[Pharao7766]

I would like to know more about the parents of this young scumbag.

*************
Speaking of alleged trunks that he brought to school.
~ Tikka T3 Hunter approximate price 62 rub.
~ Self-loading Browning (take the average model Browning A5) price 84 rubles

[Neuromedic]

The boy is punished to the extreme, to his father, for complicity in a double murder, 10-15 years old. And play it on all channels for a week. No matter what others don't like.

[RPD]

yeah "let me go home" is +5. What's playing in the youngster's head? in childhood there were all sorts of things and they made homemade guns and there was access to weapons and cartridges, they stole from their fathers, fought, quarreled, etc. but to raise a gun on a person? Idk, even if someone had thoughts, the stopper in the head “life is more valuable than insults” was stronger. and they knew how to shoot and went hunting from an early age

[ko88]

Why blame the security guard, everyone wants to live, he called the police and I think that’s where his functions ended, The boy is definitely in the madhouse for compulsory treatment, the problem here is much deeper than it seems.

[Freemason]

I read the article, read the reviews and comments. My personal opinion on all of the above:
1) Gordeev should be punished very cruelly, preferably in a demonstrative manner! It’s a pity that the death penalty was abolished... If we allow the development of history to continue further, then there will be another resonance in society, there will be fans, followers and, naturally, haters. They'll make even more trouble... Did you break the law? answer to the fullest extent, not tea and cookies...
2) "Raise the security to a higher level." It’s high time + to reconnect to the fullest extent the children’s police room, and not the pathetic semblance that we have now: a kindergarten and baby talk. And once a month let them practice emergency situations, they themselves will rise to the occasion and give a clear example to the children: What is Good and what happens after Bad...
3) In this situation, I feel very sorry for those who suffered from this “genius of the arbiter of destinies.”
IMHO My personal opinion.

[Kars]

Quote: Farmason

to the fullest in the children's police room,

I saw it by chance. I smiled. I don’t remember the children’s police, but the children’s room

[Freemason]

Sorry, gramophobia is out))

[Crang]

Talk nonsense with all due respect.

[SlavaS]

This is due to a lack of faith, previously in the USSR they believed in a bright future, and for their children, under the Tsar they believed in God and Christ, but now in “solipsism” (what kind of thing is this... anyway???), this is the result, those who blow themselves up at train stations and trolleybuses also believe, but it’s not clear what. To avoid this in the future, people need to be educated in ideology and correct faith, otherwise this will not be the last time.

[Crang]

This is all a consequence of our current shitcracy. A troubled world where they blow up and kill. Where even those in power are not particularly shy about creating lawlessness on live television. As for children, adults are often embittered and extremely aggressive. And this young fool... First of all, he himself is to blame. And the father, of course, who hid the weapon improperly. At the same time, how could he know, because what happened was not even in his worst nightmare. Well, blame teachers, security guards, etc. for what happened. - well, this is complete. It is simply impossible to identify such a scumbag. As in the case of Vinogradov. He was a normal guy, there was just something in his head. And now - “the conditions have gathered.” I hope he gets what he deserves. He “closes himself up”, don’t “close himself up” - you won’t get away with being a psychologist. They'll talk to him in prison.

[Alex]

Quote: wanderer_032

And this despite the fact that private security companies annually take a rather difficult exam (which includes a test on the theoretical part of the work of security structures and practical shooting from service weapons for a while) to confirm their professional suitability. I wonder how such people remain in their ranks?

Do you know how these standards are passed? You pay a certain amount, and they bring you a finished document. I speak with complete responsibility, because... I myself worked in a private security company (by the way, there is nothing complicated there, I myself passed them without any problems), but I assure you there is such a contingent that the majority will not only pass the standards, but will not pass the 5th grade exam.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Ralex

Do you know how these standards are passed?

I know, because I myself worked in a private security company for 3 years and stood at physical posts and worked in the State Brigade (crew).
But I had to learn everything myself and pass it because I didn’t have a “furry paw” in the “license” and I didn’t have any money either, I was supporting my family alone.
The teachers were also good.
But I felt like a human being, anything happened at work, but the knowledge and skills that I acquired thanks to the fact that I studied myself helped me out more than once.
And if I gave in like those who have a “furry paw” or gave money, then I would at least be in the hospital with fractures, and my family would be plump from hunger.

[demotivator]

Quote: Farmason

Gordeev should be punished very cruelly, preferably in a demonstrative manner! It’s a pity that the death penalty was abolished... If we allow the development of history to continue further, then there will be another resonance in society, there will be fans, followers and, naturally, haters. They will break even more firewood...

The issue of the death penalty is hardly worth discussing for Gordeev - he’s a boy, after all. Well, his parents didn’t give him any sense, so what, should he be executed right away? I do not think so.
It is much more important to figure out what we should do with the rest of the children. There's really a lot to think about here. Here, Komsomolskaya Pravda gave the reaction of Gordeev’s peers on social networks. I quote:

Schoolchildren reacted violently to everything that was happening on social networks, including on the school’s page. It would seem that the reaction should be simple and unambiguous - how could this even happen? However, the schoolchildren took Gordeev’s demarche as a reason to laugh:
“I did this myself when I was little.”
"An excellent student, but not *** brains))"
And these are just the most innocent of comments.
Here is a tougher option - a survey that schoolchildren published on school page 263 (grammar and spelling preserved):
"THE TYPE TOOK REVENGE FOR THE YEARS WHEN HE WAS RILLED
Open voting. IP REVENGE FOR THE YEARS WHEN HE WAS RILLED
BEAUTIFUL, SO IN VITALITY (in the original - another word that prohibits us from publishing the “Law on Press” - Ed.) KILLED THE TEACHER, NADA WAS ALL THE STUDENTS FUCKED ***
*** ***, YOU SHOULD CONTINUE TO REMAIN SHIT AND NOT KILL ANYONE"
Moreover, as long as the name of the schoolboy who carried out the shooting was unknown, almost all commentators were sure that the shooter was from the Caucasus.
After the news about the events in the 263rd went to the top, the school group was filled with trolls. Some simply tried to take advantage of the hype to promote their site - they threw a link to it with the caption “Video from surveillance cameras of a student killing a teacher,” and the like. Others simply called for likes. Still others created a hashtag for posts in support of Sergei - #proudlylive. Not enough adequate:
"We all take knives from the kitchen and go kill teachers in support of Gordeev. #GordeevHero"

Here is something to think about - who did we raise and educate?

[Freemason]

I completely agree with you, but as I wrote above, this is my personal opinion. But unfortunately, while “we” think “they” are growing. Decisive steps need to be taken now. And, yes, we can be judged now for our decisions. And even then they won’t say thank you, but perhaps in the future there will be much less such actions....

[mark7]

Quote: demotivator

Here is something to think about - who did we raise and educate?

I agree that the boy has an obvious mental disorder, whether the father will be punished is a question, I think everyone will forget one of these days, they will run into funding and bill the parents. It’s touching how they cover the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then helicopters, then the villains in their office, why is all this supposed being visible to the work of a l/s is the main thing IMHO

[RPD]

this is complete ass. but up to 12 years of age it is treated with a belt and intensive occupational therapy

[ed65b]

The branch is long. All this turned into a grandiose show, starting from the fucking Malakhov and ending with the newspapers. And one hundred percent, the next student, having looked at all this, is already thinking about a plan of action. It's like an epidemic. And security won’t help unless you introduce a prison-type security regime. The kid at school knows all the nooks and crannies better than the director.

[brn521]

Quote: Hon

You can take or hire a private security officer at a higher level with weapons, etc. but it's much more expensive.

Yeah, I studied at police school a long time ago, but I roughly remember excerpts from all these instructions regulating the use of weapons. First of all, you should never shoot at minors. For pregnant women too. For someone else, there were quite a few lists. Next, we open the holster, take out this unfortunate PM, remove it from the safety, and jerk the bolt (it is forbidden to keep a cartridge in the chamber). If we are still alive, it would be nice to still have time to shout a warning and fire a warning shot. After which we look, maybe the criminal has already disappeared over the horizon, or, on the contrary, he is removing this unfortunate PM from our corpse... By the way, it’s funny that a police officer often could not use a weapon even for his own self-defense. As a result, an armed criminal has a huge advantage over an ordinary security guard.

Quote: Khan

This young scum killed two people and maimed a third, it was necessary to eliminate him upon arrest

Come on, life will break, let's see what comes of it. Suddenly there is something sensible in it after all. Anything can happen in life. Today a criminal thug, tomorrow a war hero who did not spare his life when simpler people shit their pants. He owes people now. Let him have a chance to repay this debt.

[ed65b]

Quote: brn521

He owes people now. Let him have a chance to repay this debt.

I don’t know who downvoted you, but you’re 100% right about this.

[brn521]

I don’t know, they could have downvoted it for the police school. I really didn’t even finish my studies there. And that was a long time ago.

Regarding the assessment of the criminal, the general emotions are clear. I had the same thing myself: “they would have shot the bastard and not bothered.” But these are just emotions. You also need to think with your head. And the following thoughts come out: his death will no longer benefit anyone. So to wish him death only on the basis of emotions is to be the same killer in your soul. Why do I need this?

[Pushkar]

Quote: brn521

Anything can happen in life. Today a criminal thug, tomorrow a war hero who did not spare his life when simpler people shit their pants. He owes people now. Let him have a chance to repay this debt.

Are you serious? Will the scoundrel who finishes off a wounded man become a hero? Obviously the zombie box has been reconsidered.

[rumatam]

In this situation, it is primarily the fault of the parents, the father, who allowed him to have weapons, and for science he would also be locked up. 1nd, everything is natural, mainly 2% are excellent students, people who are young and “rotten” because they consider themselves to be higher in level than the rest. And everyone around, adults, even if they see it, don’t talk about it. If you are an excellent student, then by all means, an example. I am writing about this from my own experience as I work at a school. And finally, everyone talks about the Rights of the Child, but teachers themselves are too lazy to read them and learn and explain them, explain that there are even more responsibilities for these Rights of the Child.

[rumatam]

And yet, security is only in city schools, in the countryside, technical technicians on duty. Our state saves on everything, there are not even the notorious buttons for calling a squad.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: rumatam

And yet, security is only in city schools, in the countryside, technical technicians on duty. Our state saves on everything, there are not even the notorious buttons for calling a squad.

You shouldn't be bullshit. What does security have to do with it? There is no need to talk about the problem and reduce it to absurdity - this is, of course, a proven technique, but it has been known for a long time.

[rumatam]

You’re writing crap, but I’m talking about facts: IN RURAL SCHOOLS, there is no security at all.

[Intsurfer]

Quote: rereture

Good old quake

in the 90s, in a certain bank, the entire male staff, up to the general director, played quack during lunch. :) It’s strange, but there were no stories even with the usual beatings.

[Koliamba_TV]

Quote: name

Let the investigators sort out the reasons that prompted the 10th grader to murder (he will most likely go to the "durka"), but that's why the guard missed it and why he is there in principle.

For example, at our school we pay for security and still anyone can enter, then the director says on the radio that a man walks around the school selling textbooks.

[Jager]

A person with a stable psyche and a normal upbringing will NEVER go to kill because of computer toys, a sidelong glance, a deserted wife and other life problems. Just like the weapon itself NEVER shoots or kills itself (even in cases of a sudden shot there is a reason - a violation of safety regulations and handling of weapons).
It is a fact that no one was prepared for such a bloody turn of events. The Evsyukovs, the Vinogradovs - they are there, on the television screen, far away. It is unlikely that the guard took the student’s words and his weapon seriously at all. Yes, and the police could not think that some... wounded 10th grader would open fire at point-blank range with a military weapon - we don’t live in America!
The geographer was simply unlucky; the target could have been anyone, any person who came into the field of view of the frostbitten botanist.
I remember my period, it was difficult. And fights and massacres, and conflicts in the team, but never to kill. Yesterday in the store I met my old “offender”, whom I did bully in the 11th grade - we had a great conversation and discussed life after school.

[Lich]

http://www.aftershock.su/?q=node/208000

Let's look at the killer here.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Lich

http://www.aftershock.su/?q=node/208000

Let's look at the killer here.

Is this really true, but in the simplicity of my soul I thought that the kid’s parents were just some kind of FSB agents or FSO officers. But it turns out that everything is simpler - he is just a Jew, and this should be a secret behind seven seals, because he is a descendant of victims of the Holocaust, and he himself cannot possibly be a bloody murderer.

[Oldsmoker]

It's simple. A normal mother will never abandon a child no matter what he is. He had to prove to his parents throughout his young life that he was “worthy” of them, and then his grandmother (in the tenth grade!) was there to control him. I don’t make excuses for him, but this is excessive guardianship.

[razv35]

Life is not GTA and it’s better to realize this not in prison or in a cemetery

[Power]

The student's roof leaked. The father loved to take his son to the shooting range, taught him to shoot accurately, but inside the child turned out to be empty as a nut. Are you sure there is a shooter in the photo? And what do the father and mother of this wonderful baby do? The stratification in our country has reached such proportions that some can do everything, while others can do nothing. I wouldn’t be surprised if soon the whole family ends up over the hill.

[felixis69]

All weapons must be confiscated from the population! And it was deposited in the units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, issued to the owner only for the duration of the hunt, limited time of use, and, of course, issued only if the owner is in adequate condition! At the very least, this will greatly reduce the cases of drunken showdowns with shots fired, cases of outbursts of extinguishing anger with the help of a shooting weapon at hand...

[stranik72]

I don’t want to find myself in the role of a predictor, but it will only get worse if we don’t change the entire system of educational and ideological work in the country, if we don’t change the laws aimed at crimes against the individual to become stricter, and in the end, if we don’t raise the level of education, medicine, attitude towards the army and the most important thing is the attitude of our elite towards Russia without all this, you cannot build a normal society (without a sense of fear for yourself and your loved ones).

[Pancreas]

Sergey Gordeev’s mother refused to represent her son in court.

What does this mean?
The child studied well, from a prosperous (mother, father) and financially prosperous (weapons are not cheap) family, went to school and killed a geography teacher?! Why did his grandmother meet him after school? The motive for the murder is unknown. What will now be exaggerated in the media is most likely far from the real causes of the conflict.
The child was lonely, subjected to ridicule from his classmates... However, in the classroom with weapons and after the murder of the teacher, he gave a lecture to his classmates and everyone who listened to him on the phone:

for several minutes Gordeev (according to the testimony of the schoolchildren who were in the audience at that moment, numb with horror) talked about how, before killing the teacher, he had already killed a security guard, that he was tired of this life, that he was an adherent of the ideas of solipsism (a philosophy in which a person recognizes his own consciousness as the only reality), and that he wants to die in order to see what is there “at the end.” At the moment of the killer’s “monologue,” calls were made to his phone, he answered, and the monologues turned into dialogues. Gordeev spoke with his mother, grandmother, and father.

Those. Did he have no one to talk to?
There are more questions than answers. Now ostentatious actions will begin in schools with “punishment of the guilty.”
In addition, the performances of the mayor are touching

The families of those who died as a result of an emergency at a Moscow school - teacher Andrei Kirillov and private security officer Sergei Bushuev - will receive one-time assistance in the amount of 5 million rubles, as well as monthly payments for the child. This was reported by the press service of the mayor and government of Moscow.
The school also paid insurance to the families of the victims. “We offered the families of the victims (both the teacher and the policeman) new living space if necessary,” said Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin.
According to him, the capital authorities will continue to provide the necessary targeted assistance to these families.

Will the money be returned to their families? Did these people not need living space before?
Some kind of window dressing.

[Black]

Quote: felixis69

All weapons must be confiscated from the population!

..and also knives, forks, and shoelaces were confiscated.

It is necessary to break the educational system of consumerism in school.
It is necessary to take children on excursions (for free) around the cities of the Motherland.
We need to involve them in WORK!!! (now the teacher does not have the right to force a young degenerate to erase the board).
Psychologists are needed at school.

[felixis69]

Don’t compare something to a finger!... This fighter with a fork at the ready would be taken out with one blow...

[Alexey Lobanov]

The whole country is showing how YevSYUKOV, the head of the Department of Internal Affairs (who was he there - a major?) enters a peaceful store and knocks down civilians right and left... On all channels, with details. And, also, they colorfully describe that “he was in a state of passion,” jealous, etc. Then, a 15-year-old boy, crushed by the psychological pressure of his father, goes to bring down his teacher, who was simply doing his job. duties, required knowledge and... this added the last straw to the psychological load... Of course! Computer games are to blame for everything; the shooters are cruel; “tanks” in which “fascist tanks shoot at Russian tanks”; strategies where hundreds of units are destroyed with a wave of the mouse; casual toys where dead people are put in packs of evil plants (what blasphemy), etc.
A member of A Just Russia, Oleg Mikheev, was very offended by computer games. And, gentlemen and comrades, this is our State Duma. Some people here argue about Klitschko’s intelligence...

[santush]

It is necessary to introduce the death penalty for something like this from the age of 14-15. Young people today have become painfully advanced...

[cherkas.oe]

Without reading your comments, colleagues and compatriots, I want to speak on this, the most important topic in our country today, because it concerns the future of Russia and its children. Not professional security guards, not police officers with surveillance and access systems, not locks on safes with weapons will not save us and our country in the future from such Gordeevs, if we do not move away from the state policy of educating an individualist - a consumer of no use to anyone but himself, lonely, selfish and embittered, poisoned by the p-i-n-dostani mascult that has fucked our country through the box and the Internet, which is pushed by media managers, mixed with advertising of grub, beautiful life, sanitary pads, naked ass and imaginary success. The flow of contradictory, multidirectional information received by a person from an early age, in the absence of a systematic presentation and moral principles, leads fragile brains that do not have life experience and do not know the value of life to realize themselves as the center of the universe, having the right to any action, which in case of an error can be will be replayed, like in a computer game. As a result, we have two murdered, innocent people, a sixteen-year-old idiot who asks to see his mom and dad, who, in turn, somehow strangely withdrew and are nowhere to be seen, not heard, and who they are and what, no one knows and doesn't know. Even the ubiquitous journalists don’t say anything about them. It somehow seemed strange to me from the very beginning.

[EdwardTich68]

Mom and Dad simply don’t believe that this happened, it’s a case from the field of psychiatry.

[FlyEngine]

School security guards only protect the school from students! These old farts are not capable of anything other than pacifying a rowdy schoolchild in the cafeteria or locker room, but even they cannot cope with everyone. School security guards are the most useless people in school. If someone wants to take over the school, they will do it, and having guards doesn't change anything.

[EdwardTich68]

Solipsism is a waking dream, a person is sure that the world around him with the creatures inhabiting it is only
dreaming in a nightmare and you just need to wake up to leave the dream and for this you need to do
anything that will destroy the nightmarish reality. A type of philosophy bordering on falling into the darkness of madness. Such cases are extremely rare and fighting them is useless.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: EdwardTich68

Solipsism is a waking dream, a person is sure that the world around him with the creatures inhabiting it is only
dreaming in a nightmare and you just need to wake up to leave the dream and for this you need to do
anything that will destroy the nightmare reality

It strongly resembles a situation when a teenager with a fragile psyche, living in the world of computer shooters with the ability to save, reboot, shoot at any target, without fear of return fire, the possibility of being killed, confused reality with a virtual one. “False mirrors” from Lukyanenko, but in reality.

[EdwardTich68]

Millions of teenagers play shooting games, but of those millions, only one did so.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: EdwardTich68

Millions of teenagers play shooting games, but of those millions, only one did so.

The father did not need to buy fashionable gadgets for his son, but to send him outside to breathe some air.

[EdwardTich68]

The father has nothing to do with it, the child begins to develop independently from the age of 12

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: EdwardTich68

The father has nothing to do with it, the child begins to develop independently from the age of 12

Yeah ...
It is the son who is not responsible for his father.
And parents are responsible for their child until this child reaches adulthood.

[Massik]

It’s not clear what kind of weapon he really had... Heh, I remember from the 4th grade in the 2000s, I always carried a knife with me and I don’t remember why, maybe I was afraid of frostbitten fellow citizens, then they already liked to show various “arts” on TV , or maybe another evil dog that would bite my other hand, I carried around until it became a habit not to go out without a knife.
My father, oddly enough, deliberately took me to kill the mumps twice, the first time it was scary, and then nothing. I lost about 2 of them, probably different Chinese, how many ridiculous and funny situations there were when the knife fell out in the most inappropriate place. During my entire studies, a serious reason arose only once when a clinging watchdog bit me on the thigh, I had to catch him by the scruff of the neck and end his earthly journey with a blow to the throat... In a fight, the thought never came to grab a knife, as it was unmanly
It was enough to have a home and a shooter, starting with my father’s PM and Gazovik, which I learned to disassemble at the age of 8, ending with my uncle’s TOZ-54, when firing 12-gauge cartridges became almost a greater joy for me than playing with friends and on a console in front of the TV. . There were potholes and irregularities in a child’s life, like the father’s six-month drinking bouts, the mother’s departure, three years of hanging out (my father went north to earn money) when it’s unclear who you are and there are no relatives left... thanks to my grandmother, I didn’t let you go completely into the darkness...
That’s why I didn’t kill or stab anyone, although there wasn’t even security at the school; you could have at least brought an anti-tank gun with you and no one would have understood anything until I started shooting. There was no reason??? It happened more than once or twice, children’s insulting mean things hurt a lot back then, although now you can’t remember them without a smile , reprimands and moral pressure from teachers for studying from 2-3-4 left a bad impression. Well, the thought of coming and shooting someone never occurred to me. There was no internet Although I started playing computer games in the gaming room in the 6th grade, killing virtually in the hundreds... And all this is not my fault, thanks to my parents... It’s hard to understand this guy, they just get mad...

[rereture]

The knife helped out more than one of you) The dog also bit me on the thigh, if only I had been a little higher by 5 centimeters and that’s it, I wouldn’t have been a man anymore

And I always take a knife into the forest (when I’m visiting my parents), because they started to notice wolves, and in the summer I met a young wolf not far from the village.

[nerd.su]

Oh, that means experience
Or maybe a spray can to prevent the situation? Or did you like killing?

[rereture]

You won’t find a can of spray at your parents’ place in a village of 1000 people, but every man has a “pig splitter” in his barn. Yes, and I was 14 years old.
By the way, four holes in the thigh do not predispose one to mercy. I can’t say that I liked hearing this mongrel whine, but to me it was fair.
Now boots are enough. But wolves are completely different. In a neighboring village three years ago, wolves killed a girl in winter. And last summer, hunters tracked down a bear that trampled the vegetable gardens.
Of course, against a flock, a knife, even a large one, is like a stick in a storm, but it’s better than nothing at all.

[EdwardTich68]

Everyone is wondering why and why? It’s as if they don’t remember themselves as teenagers.

[Manul]

As soon as this happened, there was immediately a TOK SHOW on TV, as if they were preparing for it. And the presenter with a calm face, as if he was chewing gum, was conducting an almost ordinary program. And one of the participants said about the role of teachers in education.. And then both my wife and some spectator in the Show immediately spoke out - “parents should be responsible for upbringing.” NO!!! Everyone should be responsible for education! Parents, salespeople, conductors, passport officers, passers-by, homeless people... (of course I’m not talking about deputies and ministers, they have other concerns. It’s time to transfer, ban hookahs, or ban something else..) And Teachers are generally sacred. They must and have the right to educate. Teach not only the knowledge of science, but also life. Humanity.. How many scandals have there been when a teacher bullied a student.. And how many doctors send people to the next world? And what? The latter types have the right to make mistakes...? What about the teachers? Often they communicate with complete scumbags. And they need to somehow teach them everything.. I believe that teachers need such rights so that none of the students has the right, entering the classroom, to open their mouth without permission, or even to have an unkempt appearance. The teacher is the second person after the parents. And to encroach on him is like introducing poison into your food... I won’t hide it - I myself have led in such a way that teachers were indignant. And believe me, it’s terribly embarrassing to remember this. But these were cases. And mostly the teacher , this is the profession that I respect most. I realized this late, but I always felt it. Because everyone will die sooner or later. And life on earth will end if there are no those who will pass on knowledge. So please - tell your children to love and respected the teachers. I mourn with the families of the victims. May they be remembered. A terrible, incomprehensible tragedy. Don’t rush to conclusions about the culprits. Think about how to prevent this from happening ever again.

[Sergey7311]

There was also a talk show about Vinogradov after the shooting of his work colleagues... The world is going crazy.

[nikolevanika]

I wonder what kind of trend there is of school shootings: first in the USA, now in Russia. Which country is next?

[Manul]

The ones I found, I gave downvotes to all of them. Those who have laughing emoticons in their posts. This is our tragedy. And you need to drink this bitter cup together and to the bottom. So that your cheekbones cramp. So that you don’t break away - “well, okay, not with me.” So that this doesn’t become a plague. So that your children don’t shoot up in schools!

[nerd.su]

Political officers are also needed, of course...

[Sergey7311]

If you remember, this is not the first time people have been shot. The other one was really not at school. A certain Yevgeny Vinogradov shot several of his work colleagues in November 2012. http://www.rg.ru/2012/11/15/vinogradov.html
The situation with the security was very similar: he walked freely into the office with a carbine. The guy went crazy because of unrequited love. Does this mean that now we have crazy people who just go overboard and shoot down those they don’t like? Society is going crazy...

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Lord. Children. What are you doing. Although you haven’t been a child for 15 years. Apparently, I’ve seen enough videos about the states, I wanted to be cool. What are we getting into? You can’t spot them right away.

[demotivator]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Looks like I've seen enough videos about the states and I wanted to be cool.

Maybe it is so. But it's not just that we're being shown too much, too much crime. Our problem is that we are shown too few punishments! This means that we live in an acute shortage of justice, and in such an ugly world anything can happen.

Quote: Sergey7311

And teachers are generally sacred. They must and have the right to educate. Teach not only the knowledge of science, but also life. Humanity..

Indeed, we need to raise the rating of the teaching profession. Of course, I don’t know about holiness, but the cult of the teacher should be revived. However, teachers themselves have some work to do. It has already been said here about the lack of ideals among the younger generation. But no one is embarrassed that in front of the entrance to this school there are portraits not of Pushkin and Lomonosov, and other outstanding people of Russia, but of the district authorities. So, are these now the best examples to follow?

[mabuta]

People! Look at what games your children play. And then you will understand what is in their souls. This little guy lived in a separate world. Even his grandmother saw him off from school. And daddy wanted to make a superman. But no one gave him the brains and the concept kindness and compassion. And here is a picture, his grandmother is snoring on the sofa, and he, having eaten pancakes, dreams of a feat. But he will never understand that having a weapon does not make him a superman, but most likely he looks like a gopher who stole wolf teeth. And that’s why he having taken people's lives, he screwed himself up extremely badly, and it's good that at least he didn't call his grandmother to take him away like before. He even asked for cookies. But the game ended. Dad - definitely on the bunk. And I would tie him up in the anatomical room of the morgue and let him see what such is death. Well, in the zone this sissy is simply a khan.

[All terrain vehicle]

[quote][/But the fact that the father stored the weapon improperly and did not monitor the condition of his son - this is really importantquote]. I grew up in the village, from the age of 8 I had access to my father’s hunting weapons. Whenever he considered it necessary, he took it and went hunting. I never once thought about taking a gun and going to deal with someone. Parents are to blame for raising a child. And of course, the surrounding society makes itself felt, parents who consider themselves “Navel” treat others like that, accountants Mr. and my child is an angel. I see how schoolchildren talk to teachers, I want to tie them by the scruff of the neck and kick them off.

[Antibrim]

But what does games have to do with it, if a person in a team is constantly being bullied, then it doesn’t matter what he plays in, he was “downtrodden”, I think that everyone was constantly laughing at him, and his nerves could not stand it because he was a tough guy. and all the right, brave people listen to you, but until the gun is pointed at you, the guard with the baton will not do anything. He needs to be judged, and here, as an exception, we need not a maximum of 10 years (he’s not 16 and they won’t give him any more) but a life sentence.

[brn521]

Quote: Pushkar

Quote: brn521

Anything can happen in life. Today a criminal thug, tomorrow a war hero who did not spare his life when simpler people shit their pants. He owes people now. Let him have a chance to repay this debt.

Are you serious? Will the scoundrel who finishes off a wounded man become a hero? Obviously the zombie box has been reconsidered.

I don't have a zombie box. And it is typical for the zombie-boxer to raise people who live only by emotions, and not by their heads, and therefore are well controlled. And not responsible for their words. Who came to mind immediately after reading it? I was reminded of Dostoevsky's "Crime and Punishment". But not games or movies. There, too, one brat tested his theory in practice.
How do some people speak here in the comments? What do they want here? They want to amuse “sacred” revenge, to satisfy bloodthirstiness. Since they are such thugs in words, then give them a knife in real life and let them cut off the head of this unfortunate mental monster. So that everything would be fair. And so that they also test their theories in practice, and at the same time show who they really are. I don’t wish this on anyone. And I am sure that the overwhelming majority of people themselves are not murderers, no matter what they write about them, and no matter what they themselves say.
About the heroes. According to the same criminals from the Second World War. Quite a few of them earned orders and medals on the front line for their work, in contrast to similar subjects raised at headquarters. Judge for yourself which of them turned out to be more useful.
And as for a simpler example - sometimes I came across how people, beaten by life and having made many mistakes in it, woke up to conscience and common sense where hamsters and plankton (including me) had no such memory.
So I’m not the Lord God, so I don’t consider myself omniscient. Who knows what this guy will grow out of and where he will show himself later.

[Alexander.B]

It’s all because of his upbringing, since daddy has such a weapon, that means he has money and the boy, as they say, felt like the master of life. Now he will have (well, in terms of ownership) a guard with rations. Stupid.

[K9_SWAT]

Yes he is Jewish!!! On one website I read information that this shooter was Jewish, and therefore they deliberately substituted a photo of another person, his namesake and namesake.
And naturally, their own people will smear him...