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What do Ukraine and Thailand have in common? Replica of Alexander Privalov

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In the stream News almost next to two news. One says that late on Monday, President of Ukraine Yanukovych announced that he did not exclude the possibility of early parliamentary and presidential elections, that is, full satisfaction of all the demands of the Maidan opposition. Other news does not look so catchy. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation once again warns fellow citizens from traveling to Bangkok. Like, they flew to the airport there - and immediately for a transfer, to resorts, but you don’t need to go to the city: it’s not safe there. So: both of these news, which in appearance do not resemble each other, are lines from the same tale. And it is even known from which: the king has a court, in the yard - a stake, on a stake - bast, start over.


The fact is that in Thailand just this weekend, the next extraordinary elections took place, and in Ukraine they, it seems, are just yet to come. In Thailand, it is already clear that they did not suit anyone and they did not stop the confrontation, while in Ukraine they all pretend that they don’t understand how hopeless these next extraordinary ones are.

First about Thailand. So, on Sunday there were elections. The opposition considered them illegal, and therefore boycotted and tried to disrupt - not everywhere only by peaceful means. The Central Election Commission recognized that the voting took place only on 89 percent of all polling stations, while according to the laws of the country the new parliament takes over its powers only when 95 percent of its deputies are elected. On this basis, the opposition leader Suthep Thyaksuban announced his supporters of victory - after all, it was their blockade that ensured the absence of a quorum in parliament to open a new session and elect a government.

But the current government also calls the past vote its victory, as I quote Prime Minister Yinglak Chinawatra, the people of the country "defended their right to a democratic choice, showing the whole world that the people of Thailand want to live in a country with a democratic system." The meaning of this phrase is that the local opposition does not hesitate to loudly propose a “temporary” retreat from modern democratic norms - right up to the moment when the entire electorate, as one of the leaders of the protest puts it, “is educated enough to think for itself”. In short, the confrontation did not complete the election.

Now about Ukraine. What is happening there is a real misfortune. God is with them, with Yanukovych and Yatsenyuk - foam is all. The point is that, on the whole globe, apart from, it seems, the two or three most missing under-states in Africa, Ukraine is the only country whose economy is smaller than it was twenty years ago, that is, immediately after the collapse of the Union. At the beginning of a new century, the country began to revive: statistics showed double-digit growth rates. But then the first maidan happened - and with growth it was finished. So far, for nine years (the first Maidan was in 2004), but judging by the readiness of Yanukovych to go on about Maidan again, to call national elections again, and in the coming years there’s nothing to expect for a better thing.

According to recent polls, the presidential rating of Yanukovych is actually equal to the Klitschko rating. Undiscovered, I would say, hard support by the West, Klitschko, led to the fact that in early elections he will have more chances to win. So Ukraine, quite possibly, will see that which until now was considered improbable: the president is even weaker than the one brought to power by the first Maidan Yushchenko.

Yushchenko, for all his farcical helplessness, had a fair amount of managerial experience at the national level. The boxer Klitschko, pushed to power by the second Maidan, has no experience whatsoever, and he will still show Ukraine the sky in diamonds.

But most importantly, I repeat, not in personalities. If only Yanukovych, even Klitschko, even though both were real Bismarcks, would not have become better. Within the boundaries that Stalin drew and Khrushchev rounded out due to party and hardware considerations, an independent state cannot exist. Naturally: after all, such borders were drawn, in particular, so that the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic would not take it on itself to head on its own.

And look, what our neighbors came to the present moment. No president will be adopted by the south-east of Ukraine, if he will support, for example, Bandera. And no president will be adopted by the west of Ukraine if he doesn’t support these Banderovites. And after all, it is so in everything: in terms of language, and in morals, and in faith, there are two nations and two countries.

It is clear that I would very much like to somehow avoid a split by some miracle, but it is not very clear where such a miracle will come from. In the meantime, the announcement: the next extraordinary ones are approaching. Get ready, neighbors.
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  1. Kars
    Kars 6 February 2014 15: 23
    +6
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    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 6 February 2014 19: 17
      0
      Unloaded 5 tanks, well, let's continue, only now without cutting the old T-80, because they are over.
      1. Kars
        Kars 6 February 2014 19: 21
        +2
        Quote: EvilLion
        Unloaded 5 tanks, well, let's continue

        In the photo 14

        Quote: EvilLion
        only now without cutting the old T-80, for they are over

        That's just interesting, what did you get about the cut?
        And where did they get it from?

        Flag of Ukraine.svg Ukraine - 165 T-80 stored, as of 2013 year [40]
  2. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 6 February 2014 15: 33
    +4
    from the Don.
    Eh! That would be peacefully dispersed! But this is unlikely.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 6 February 2014 16: 08
      +7
      and according to language, and mores, and by faith there are two peoples and two countries.

      Well, if you talk like that, then in Russia you need to create hundreds of countries ..)
      As all the same, we are led subtly and skillfully to the idea of ​​separation first of Ukraine and then of Russia ..
      Ukraine needs a leader whose first decree would be the dispersal of all NPOs. the ban on extremist parties and movements and with the people will be more generalized .. And so this canoe will constantly continue .. until it is torn to pieces by the Poles of the Romanians, etc. .. if Russia does not bump into ..
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 6 February 2014 19: 23
        -1
        In Russia, besides the Russians, there is not a single nation that would have at least any significant number, so it is impossible to split it. The Caucasus is a trifle, and it is reliably crushed by tanks. In Ukraine, Russians are 86-90%, you’ll excuse me, but the country populated by Russians who are forbidden to be Russians must be destroyed. It is time that this is clearly voiced at the state level. The fact that banderlogs are driven into burrows will not change anything, it will be the same madhouse. In an extreme case, the banderlogs themselves will declare the independence of the 3-5 regions, I don’t think that anyone will be happy about this, after which Crimea will immediately secede, and the rest, if it decides to cooperate with Russia, will come to a state through 5-10 when the meaninglessness of boundaries will be realized by all.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 6 February 2014 15: 39
    +2
    and he will still show the sky in diamonds to independent Ukraine — CLASS PHRASIS — I think UKRAINE will drop to the level of South Africa after the Nobel laureate NELSON MANDELA, who came to power XE XE.
  4. Cherdak
    Cherdak 6 February 2014 15: 54
    +4
    Not a bad article on Regnum "Mission of Catherine Ashton in Kiev: a new parasite for Germany and "plan B" from Michelson

    "In any situation there is always a way out, there is only one way out of the grave" is an old and proven adage.
  5. Arh
    Arh 6 February 2014 15: 56
    0
    Rallies Protests! bully
    1. AVV
      AVV 7 February 2014 00: 15
      0
      Quote: Arh
      Rallies Protests! bully

      But Klitschko, or Tymoshenko, for a simple people all has one thing, teeth on the shelf, a bag on his shoulder and go to Geyropa for their tugriks !!! There will be no work close now !!!
  6. Arhj
    Arhj 6 February 2014 15: 58
    +5
    According to recent polls, the presidential rating of Yanukovych is already practically equal to the rating of Klitschko. Undisguised, I would say, tough West support for Klitschko, led to the fact that in the early elections he will have more chances to win.

    "There is truth, there is a lie, and there is statistics." It all depends on how to count, which groups to interview, which candidates to propose. There are a lot of options.
    I don’t believe in Klitschko’s victory. Having plunged into the Maidan, he forever spoiled such a bad political career. True, in the place of power, instead of Yanukovych I would look for another candidate. Ukraine does not want Maidan, but people are tired of Yanukovych, and if they choose it, then it is the lesser of two evils.
  7. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 6 February 2014 16: 09
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    I also do not believe in the victory of Klitschko. Yanukovych has a trump card, it is to release Tymoshenko and remove her criminal record. And then the opposition will split. Truth and Yanukovych want to change ...
    1. avt
      avt 6 February 2014 16: 33
      +2
      [
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      I also do not believe in the victory of Klitschko.

      request Buddy! Faith is out of business, as well as “democratic elections.” Did they really forget HOW they voted to the NECESSARY result on the first maidown, when Bush junior frankly said that only those in which the opposition wins, that is, his protege Yushchenko Julia Grikyants !? And after all Kuchia and Yanukovych merged with the twice won elections! So why fear the same thing again !?
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Yanukovych has a trump card

      He has no trump cards, if you like, he is not in poker, he plays giveaways. Extraordinary elections, as well as a return to the old constitution will not yield anything, there will certainly be nothing here - the amount will not change due to a change of position.
    2. zzz
      zzz 6 February 2014 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      I also do not believe in the victory of Klitschko. Yanukovych has a trump card, this is to release Tymoshenko and remove her criminal record. And then the opposition will split. True and Yanukovych hunting change


      None of the three should be allowed into power anymore! (although Yanukovych needs to be temporarily (just temporarily) left for the period until a candidate appears who will be happy FOR UKRAINE! And not for the bunch of gopniks put forward by the USA and the EU. A firm hand is needed! All the thief with a kick in the ass. And the west? - And to hell with them, with the western ones, well, 2-3 subsidized areas will leave? The air will be cleaner.
      1. Jake danzels
        Jake danzels 6 February 2014 19: 43
        +1
        Quote: zzz
        well will leave 2-3 subsidized areas? The air will be cleaner.


        We look at the map, well, and the plate for the big picture.
    3. Jake danzels
      Jake danzels 6 February 2014 19: 36
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      I also do not believe in the victory of Klitschko. Yanukovych has a trump card, it is to release Tymoshenko and remove her criminal record. And then the opposition will split. Truth and Yanukovych want to change ...


      If Julia were free, Yanyk would already smoke bamboo, although he sips it already.
    4. Setrac
      Setrac 6 February 2014 22: 08
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      True and Yanukovych hunting change ...

      Security officials must take power into their own hands, preferably by legal means. Who is in charge of the Golden Eagle?
    5. 120352
      120352 7 February 2014 01: 11
      0
      Tymoshenko, being free, will begin to pull the blanket over herself and arrange another maidan. Soon there may be several such Maidan: 1) Maidan Klitschki; 2) Maidan Tyagnibok; 3) Maidan Tymoshenko; 4) Maidan Yatsenyuk, etc. And all are personified. And soon the sowing season. So Ukraine can amass another famine. It seems like a habit develops or just liked it ...
  8. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 6 February 2014 16: 09
    +6
    Quote: Arhj
    In the victory of Klitschko do not believe.

    In general, I wonder how you can vote for a person who has marked the presidency with completely broken brains fool
  9. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 6 February 2014 16: 11
    +1
    Quote: Andrey Peter
    Quote: Arhj
    In the victory of Klitschko do not believe.

    In general, I wonder how you can vote for a person who has marked the presidency with completely broken brains fool


    The motivation of people is simple, he earned his capital with blood and sweat, and this, unlike other officials of corrupt officials. Therefore he is honest, he achieved everything himself. Iron logic is a fact. Unfortunately, the rest is secondary, and this is the invasion of the West, etc. behind Klitschko.
  10. sinukvl
    sinukvl 6 February 2014 16: 25
    +6
    In Ukraine, there must be a strong leader-statesman like Lukashenko, then there will be order in the country and this circus with the Maidan will end. And everyone will work, and not fool around. And less need to listen Geyropu and tan.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 6 February 2014 16: 30
      +1
      This is true, and a photo in the subject.
  11. Yarik
    Yarik 6 February 2014 16: 33
    +2
    What is common? Yes, amorphous power, what else? It was necessary to act decisively from the very beginning, and now the train left, apparently, unfortunately.
  12. parus2nik
    parus2nik 6 February 2014 16: 48
    +3
    Whoever won the extraordinary elections .. Ukraine will cease to exist .. I would like to be peaceful ..
  13. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 6 February 2014 17: 30
    +2
    What kind of cards does Putin have in his hands. What kind of game does he play ...? Absolutely no one knows ... some guesses and predictions .. but the game is very delicate and filigree and I'm sure he will do his job. Let's wait and see, everything will happen in our memory and his goals are ambitious ... very much ...!
    Nicknames ... Yanukovych ... and so on ... this is a consumable in this game ... the price of which ... The United Slavic State ...
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 7 February 2014 18: 55
      0
      the price of which ... One Slavic State ... [/ quote]
      what to do with Kazakhstan (TS)? And if a single Slavic-when to join Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia, Bosnia, etc.?
  14. muhomor
    muhomor 6 February 2014 17: 37
    +3
    Or maybe Yanukovych is simply maneuvering. After all, to promise does not mean getting married. While the commission on the constitution will work, and while they will discuss other issues, time will pass. The Olympics will end. The opposition makes no concessions. This will give Yanukovych the right to say that he did everything he could, and peaceful and lawful actions give nothing. All. You can clean the political field.
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 6 February 2014 18: 42
      0
      I willingly agree with you ... it is even possible. That Yanukovych is also in the subject ... time will tell ..
  15. gunter_laux
    gunter_laux 6 February 2014 17: 57
    +1
    In the photo he certainly looks like Alozievich, but to me he is very cute !!!
  16. Stinger
    Stinger 6 February 2014 19: 02
    0
    Minus. The article is kind of strange. Like Ostapovsky "Take care of your pince-nez, Kitty, now they will beat you, maybe even kick."
  17. EvilLion
    EvilLion 6 February 2014 19: 25
    -2
    Tomorrow is the Olympics. Wait and you can finish this farce called Ukraina. I hope that in the end they will beat their face.
    1. Kars
      Kars 6 February 2014 19: 34
      +1
      Quote: EvilLion
      Wait and you can finish this farce called Ukraina. I hope that in the end they will beat their face.

      And no hope.
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  18. Jake danzels
    Jake danzels 6 February 2014 19: 35
    0
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    blame it, but a country populated by Russians who are forbidden to be Russians must be destroyed. It is time that this is clearly voiced at the state level. From the fact that banderlog

    If Julia were free, Yanyk would already smoke bamboo, although he sips it already.
  19. vostok1982
    vostok1982 6 February 2014 19: 47
    0
    Yes, it's time to split up. One is Holy Russia road, while others are drawn to New Sodom. Do not combine these directions, well, nothing.
    1. Kars
      Kars 6 February 2014 19: 55
      +1
      Quote: vostok1982
      - Holy Russia is a road, while others are all in New Sodom

      And why did you get that holy Russia is dear to me? (What is this by the way?) And what pulls me into a new soda?
      Quote: vostok1982
      Do not combine these directions, well, nothing.

      They lived for twenty years, and here on you.
      It is just necessary to carry out real reforms, and neither the EU nor the Russian Federation are assistants here.
      1. vostok1982
        vostok1982 6 February 2014 22: 12
        0
        They lived because they did not touch. As soon as Bandera began to stir up the water, the civil war almost began. If Holy Russia is not dear to you, then you are on the other side. There can be no third way in this war. Either for God and the Light, or for the Devil and Darkness.
        1. Kars
          Kars 7 February 2014 00: 02
          +1
          Quote: vostok1982
          They lived because they did not touch

          How is it not touching?
          Quote: vostok1982
          If Holy Russia is not dear to you, then you are on the other side.

          Absolutely not the road. On which side? Independent, prosperous Ukraine? Then yes this is my side.
          Quote: vostok1982
          There can be no third way in this war. Either for God and the Light, or for the Devil and Darkness.

          And why did you get that God is one? And you know that light is electromagnetic radiation and has several spectra?
          1. philip
            philip 7 February 2014 00: 56
            0
            Holy Russia has always been, and Ukraine has always been in some composition, and now Maidan is torn into Europe. Independence of Ukraine for more than twenty years. And these twenty years show that Ukraine cannot be independent.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 February 2014 04: 38
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            Quote: Kars
            ? independent, prosperous Ukraine? then yes this is my side.

            Yes, rich, great. Prosperous wassat wassat wassat

            I will remember, only in these words always.
            They drove me in, back in '91.
            As having separated from Moscow, we will live like kings.
            And this is in my memory, for 20 years.
            Almost RONDO wassat wassat wassat
            1. Kars
              Kars 7 February 2014 12: 33
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes, rich, great. Prosperous

              Well, with our resources, the economy showed a better result than the Russian Federation in relative standings.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              As having separated from Moscow, we will live like kings.
              And this is in my memory, for 20 years.

              Well, what to do - the party nomenclature during the collapse plundered everything that reached out, perhaps the peacefulness of separation played a bad role, since they did not carry out lustration, and those who had power and capabilities under the USSR were able to use it.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Almost RONDO

              I don’t know, I don’t know. My family began to live significantly better than under the USSR.
      2. 120352
        120352 7 February 2014 01: 24
        0
        Why enter into a conversation if you do not know what Holy Russia is and if it is not dear to you? You are a stranger here. Go away.
        1. Kars
          Kars 7 February 2014 03: 50
          +1
          Quote: 120352
          Holy Russia has always been

          Was there before baptism?
          Quote: Philip
          , and Ukraine has always been in some kind of composition and now Maidan is torn into Europe

          Well, there were moments of independence, but where is the Maidan of Rvets now, the question is complicated, rather further from Moscow, well, here Moscow has also aggravated by its behavior.
          Quote: Philip
          Independence of Ukraine for more than twenty years. And these twenty years show that Ukraine cannot be independent.

          Is there any timeframe? Scale? And how is the independence of Ukraine different from the independence of Norway? Portugal?

          Quote: 120352
          Why enter into a conversation if you do not know what Holy Russia is
          And then that it is somehow pompously used.

          Quote: 120352
          and if she is not dear to you?
          Strano, but this is pompously mentioned in the context of the future of my homeland.

          Quote: 120352
          You are a stranger here
          Is it written in the site rules?

          Quote: 120352
          Go away.

          Vryatli.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 February 2014 04: 26
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            Was there before baptism?

            And how would Russia be baptized if it were not laughing

            Quote: Kars
            Well, the moments of independence were

            You are right now, just one more such moment, but not long again. Soon it will all be over lol
            Quote: Kars
            , and where is Maidan Rvets now, the question is complicated, rather further from Moscow, well, here Moscow has also aggravated by its behavior.

            Quote: Kars
            , and where is Maidan Rvets now, the question is complicated, rather further from Moscow, well, here Moscow has also aggravated by its behavior.

            Well, Maidan always looked at Europe with bulging eyes. As for Moscow, yes, she dared to help Ukraine with 15 billion. laughing
            Quote: Kars
            Strano, but this is pompously mentioned in the context of the future of my homeland.

            And mine too, only temporarily divorced from its main part. So .. winked
            Quote: Kars

            Vryatli.

            Staying brother wink
            1. Kars
              Kars 7 February 2014 12: 38
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And how would Russia be baptized if it were not

              And before the baptism the saint was? A joke - and then why was she baptized?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              You are right

              I know.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              oh moment, but again not long. Soon it will all be over

              Yes, soon the test will end, and its independence will be more tempered. The constitution will change, and the tension will be relieved. Maybe they will nationalize.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              With regards to Moscow, yes, dared to help Ukraine 15 billions

              Of course, before that, having done everything to spread Ukraine. Gas prices, trade wars, and so on, a little logo tricking Yanukovych into concluding the Kharkov agreements.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And mine too, only temporarily divorced from its main part. So.
              So live in peace for yourself, the USSR will no longer wake up, and against tsarism I myself will go to the Maidan.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Staying brother
              Tambov wolf to you ..
              1. svp67
                svp67 7 February 2014 12: 45
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                Quote: Kars
                And before the baptism the saint was? A joke - and then why was she baptized?

                The native land is always HOLY ... AND BAPTIZED, so the POLITICAL LEADER WANTED, and that's how interesting, he was able to quietly strangle his Maidan and the whole country to prove his innocence ... Giving it a powerful impetus for a thousand-year development.
              2. svp67
                svp67 7 February 2014 12: 47
                0
                Quote: Kars
                The constitution will change and the tension will be relieved.

                Until the people change their attitude, THAT THE WEST WILL HELP YOU, WE WILL HELP YOURSELF ... YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ...
              3. svp67
                svp67 7 February 2014 12: 48
                0
                Quote: Kars
                Tambov wolf to you ..
                You know how to bring people closer to you ... negative
                1. Kars
                  Kars 7 February 2014 13: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: svp67
                  The native land is always HOLY.

                  What is Holiness? Without religious subtext can you explain?
                  Quote: svp67
                  , he was able to quietly strangle his Maidan and prove to the whole country that he was right ... Giving her a powerful impulse for a thousand-year development.

                  Well then, pouring blood was much more handy, but about the development impulse in the context of Christianity, this is debatable. Although this regigy is quite convenient for those in power.
                  Quote: svp67
                  Until the people change their attitude, THAT THE WEST WILL HELP YOU, WE WILL HELP YOURSELF ... YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ..
                  Well, as long as the pressure does not stop from the east, such an error will take place.

                  Quote: svp67
                  You know how to bring people closer to you ..

                  I absolutely do not want to bring Romanov closer, and he knows about this for a year and a half for sure.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 7 February 2014 13: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    What is Holiness? Without religious subtext can you explain?
                    This is something that should ALWAYS be kept clean ... for me, for you, for everyone, for what it is worth living and what you need and can be passed on to other generations, then what is the MEMORY of the past generations ... And while it is - they and we are alive ...
                  2. svp67
                    svp67 7 February 2014 13: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    Well, as long as the pressure does not stop from the east, such an error will take place.
                    Enough to carry stupidity. NO ONE FROM EAST WILL PUSH YOU. It is YOURSELF to blame for the fact that Ukraine was in a deplorable state. Take up the mind and do not look at any uncles from the East or the West ...
                    And the fact that Russia defends its interests, and how do you see we should do? Silently idle ... there is no money to sponsor it, so what? Something the West says more, but is in no hurry to give money ...
                  3. svp67
                    svp67 7 February 2014 13: 33
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    I absolutely do not want to bring Romanov closer, and he knows about this for a year and a half for sure.
                    But you can do something differently ...
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 7 February 2014 13: 51
                      +2
                      Quote: svp67
                      This is something that should ALWAYS stay clean ... for me, for you, for everyone

                      A strange definition, if even a definition. Then why is Holy Russia and not Pure Russia?
                      Quote: svp67
                      what is the MEMORY of past generations

                      and memory to purity? you do not want to know the truth about ancestors?

                      Quote: svp67
                      And while IT exists, they and we are alive ...

                      A rather controversial statement leading to the jungle of sophistry.
                      Quote: svp67
                      Enough to carry stupidity. NO ONE FROM EAST TO PRESS YOU

                      Well, you don’t want to admit it, you won’t lose pressure from this.
                      Quote: svp67
                      You are to blame for the fact that Ukraine was in a deplorable state

                      Of course they are to blame, but the friendly assistance in worsening the deplorable situation is not worth denying.

                      Quote: svp67
                      Tackle UM and do not look at any uncles from either the East or the West

                      So you’ll howl. That the east is the west. I am so obsessed that I’m not against closing the borders and not fooling my head. It will prohibit the circulation of foreign currencies and switch to self-sufficiency.
                      Quote: svp67
                      And the fact that Russia defends its interests

                      You see, the Russian Federation has its own interests from Ukraine and you say that no one is pushing?
                      Quote: svp67
                      Silently dormant ... there is no money to sponsor it, so what?

                      Well, you silently crushed the price of gas? (Yes, Ukraine signed the contract, but I’m pretty sure that they pressured Tymoshenko in criminal cases on the territory of the Russian Federation)
                      Were the war aggrieved?
                      Quote: svp67
                      Something the West says more, but is in no hurry to give money ...

                      And I do not initialize it either.
                      Quote: svp67
                      But it’s possible and otherwise

                      Can I at least on the Internet will not be tempting? And say what I feel.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 7 February 2014 14: 36
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                        Quote: Kars
                        .Then why holy Russia and not Pure Russia?
                        Yes, because purity is more material, and holy is more spiritual ... Our happiness and trouble is that "our, Russian civilization" is more spiritual than material and what is happening now is its destruction ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        and memory to purity? you do not want to know the truth about ancestors?
                        Well, if so, then the TRUTH, the real truth is always PURE, that's just for how often it is for everyone.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Of course they are to blame, but the friendly assistance in worsening the deplorable situation is not worth denying.

                        How is this? Sorry, but here I can’t agree ... Again, someone is to blame for your troubles ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        So you howl. That east that west.
                        Oh, and you don’t want to offend anyone ... It is commendable.
                        Quote: Kars
                        You see, the Russian Federation has its own interests from Ukraine and you say that no one is pushing?
                        Yes there is, and we do not hide this, others have the same thing and they act more NULL, but only we are to blame. What kind of DUAL standards?
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, you silently crushed the price of gas? (Yes, Ukraine signed the contract, but I’m pretty sure that they pressured Tymoshenko in criminal cases on the territory of the Russian Federation)
                        Were the war aggrieved?
                        How would it be softer:
                        "Bachili eyes, sho kupuvali ..." And do not be ridiculous about the criminal cases against the PRIME MINISTER of a foreign state ... and by and large, why do you choose a THIEF into POLITICAL LEADERS, like that ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        Can I at least on the Internet will not be tempting? And say what I feel.
                        Well, who will forbid, just - this is the way to ANYWHERE ...
                        "And the brother said to the brother ..." Remember where it is from and what is the continuation?
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 7 February 2014 15: 19
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                        Quote: svp67
                        Yes, because purity is more material, and the saint is more spiritual

                        Now something spiritual comes up. So we get to the definition of what is soul / spirit, etc.
                        Quote: svp67
                        "our, Russian civilization" is more spiritual than material

                        I don’t believe this, especially from the time when Peter opened the window to Europe, and after the USSR, with its methods and idiologies, you can only look for Russian civilization in the hermitages of the Old Believers, two-fingers (I don’t say anything about Ukrainian culture, it survived in difficult conditions , and I am surprised that it is still slightly preserved)
                        Quote: svp67
                        How is this? Sorry, but here I can’t agree ... Again, someone is to blame for your troubles ..

                        Is it that we lived in isolation or something? Usually the state deputies are in your troubles, and the arrogant Saxons are to blame. And the current situation has roots that the Medveputy deceived Yanukovych on signing the Kharkiv agreements, the gas price that was now given from the noble shoulder should have been from the moment of signing Kharkov agreements.
                        Quote: svp67
                        Oh, and you don’t want to offend anyone ... It is commendable.

                        We don’t want to offend us wherever we are.
                        Quote: svp67
                        Oh, only we are to blame. What kind of DUAL standards?

                        Strange, did I say that only you are to blame, I even admit most of the blame for Ukraine, and you tell me double standards.
                        Quote: svp67
                        "Bachili eyes, sho kupuvali ..." And do not laugh at the expense of criminal cases against the PRIME MINISTER of a foreign state ...

                        I have never voted for Tymoshenko, and I won’t laugh. What is a prime minister of a foreign state? If there is a criminal case? It’s nothing, especially if it has a business.
                        Quote: svp67
                        and by and large, why do you choose a THIEVE as a POLITICAL LEADER, like ...

                        Well, Yanukovych sat in general, and Putin had to be lustrated for his KGBism.
                        Quote: svp67
                        Well, who will forbid, just - this is the way to ANYWHERE ...

                        I do not build my path on the basis of the Romanovs and others like them.
                        Quote: svp67
                        "And the brother said to the brother ..." Remember where it is from and what is the continuation?
                        no, I don’t remember. I remember that civil wars are usually the most cruel.
                      3. svp67
                        svp67 7 February 2014 15: 23
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                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, I won’t believe this ... you can only look for Russian civilization in the hermitages of the Old Believers, two-thimbles ...

                        All you are looking for is somewhere far away, and then it’s nearby and here are its true representatives ....
                      4. svp67
                        svp67 7 February 2014 16: 05
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                        Quote: Kars
                        Strange, did I say that only you are to blame, I even admit most of the blame for Ukraine, and you tell me double standards.
                        And again it turns out that the West is "white and fluffy ..."
                        Quote: Kars
                        What is a prime minister of a foreign state? If there is a criminal case? He is nothing, especially if he has a business.
                        Alas, but there are some "diplomatic laws" and no one in our country would DIRECTLY condemn her, as long as she was ONE of the FIRST PERSON. And the fact that she did not conduct business honestly, and not only here, but also on the territory of Ukraine, was known about this even earlier ... And many knew about it ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, Yanukovych sat in general, and Putin had to be lustrated for his KGBism.
                        Actually, he worked in intelligence, but she is usually OUT of politics ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        no, I don’t remember. I remember that civil wars are usually the most cruel.
                        Let's start with this ... Actually, this is from "The Lay of Igor's Regiment ..."
                        This is our story - yours, general ... and in particular of those places where you now live.
                      5. Kars
                        Kars 7 February 2014 18: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        All you are looking for is somewhere far away, and then it is nearby and here are its true representatives ...

                        This photo means nothing to me.
                        Quote: svp67
                        And again it turns out that the West is "white and fluffy ..."

                        Where did I write this? Why are you trying to attribute to me that I did not write?
                        Quote: svp67
                        Alas, but there are some "diplomatic laws" and no one in our country would DIRECTLY condemn her, as long as she was ONE of the FIRST PERSON

                        But what Tymoshenchikha received primierstry for life? But the condemnation - even in absentia what a blow to the election campaign. She thought about it not for nothing that she signed a contract with a discount for the prime year.

                        Quote: svp67
                        Actually, he worked in intelligence, but she is usually OUT of politics.
                        maybe only naive people think.

                        Quote: svp67
                        Let's start with this ... Actually, this is from "The Lay of Igor's Regiment ..."

                        All the annals and words were written as it is beneficial for those who hold power, and I heard about examples of the murder of brothers for the sake of material benefits. So there are hard-earned people, and you give me a lecture for ... type ... brother is unknown for what reason, and sideways.
                      6. svp67
                        svp67 7 February 2014 20: 03
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                        Quote: Kars
                        This photo means nothing to me.
                        That's your trouble, you are not looking for a path to unity, you are in search of the guilty ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        Where did I write this? Why are you trying to attribute to me that I did not write?
                        Yes, because you are talking only about the fault of Russia, and the West, what have you been doing all this time? Speak out ...
                        Quote: Kars
                        maybe only naive people think.
                        Yes, God will judge you ..
                        Quote: Kars
                        All annals and words were written as it is beneficial for those who hold power, and I heard about examples of the murder of brothers for material gain
                        Oh .... how is everything LAUNCHED, but did you STUDY at school? I now understand what your trouble is - you FORGOT YOUR ROOTS, you do not read and do not comprehend, that is, you do not think you are listening to something ... and take it for TRUE. Wake up, they control you like puppets, and you don’t even notice it ...
                      7. Kars
                        Kars 8 February 2014 16: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        That's your trouble, you are not looking for a path to unity, you are in search of the guilty

                        But why should I seek unity, and it is not clear what religious paths I’m looking for the truth more, and the guilty ones are indirect.
                        Quote: svp67
                        Yes, because you are talking only about the fault of Russia, and the West, what have you been doing all this time? Speak out ...

                        Are you going to answer for the West or something? They also have plans for Ukraine like the Russian Federation, and all of this follows.

                        Quote: svp67
                        Oh .... how is everything LAUNCHED, but did you STUDY at school?
                        It was the case, but already at school I had a critical mindset, and I can’t hang noodles on my ears, nor can I impose a worldview.

                        Quote: svp67
                        You do not read or comprehend, that is, do not think
                        I’m just reading and comprehending it. I don’t take it on faith.

                        Quote: svp67
                        you listen to something there ... and take it for TRUE

                        strange along the way you describe yourself, vet you believe in the word about the regiment igorev as if it is an axiom.
                        Quote: svp67
                        U. Wake up, they control you like puppets, and you don’t even notice it ...
                        you look for strings above yourself, you definitely don’t have them there? You are telling about holiness here. How did O. Bender say there? What is opium for the people about?
                2. maxvet
                  maxvet 7 February 2014 19: 11
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                  Quote: Kars
                  Putin for his KGBism had to be lustrated.

                  Actually, he’s a scout (first control), this is one thing, and most importantly, lustration doesn’t exist in the Russian Federation. By the way, suggest lustering Kissinger he is also from intelligence
  • philip
    philip 7 February 2014 05: 32
    +1
    But you are, however, an opponent. First, holiness outside religions. And the second read L. Gumilyov. Regarding independence, Norway, Portugal, Belarus do not fight for independence, because they have it. And if the state is looking for the causes of its ills not in itself, but in other countries, it means it does not have independence.
    And the last word is hardly written separately and through D.
    1. Kars
      Kars 7 February 2014 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: Philip
      First, holiness outside religions

      yah.
      Quote: Philip
      And the second read L. Gumilyova

      Well, if he made such effects on you, I won’t.
      Quote: Philip
      Regarding independence, Norway, Portugal, Belarus do not fight for independence, because they have it.

      And that Ukraine is now struggling with someone for independence?
      Quote: Philip
      And if the state is looking for the causes of its ills not in itself, but in other countries, it means it does not have independence.

      How does this correlate? Do you deny the possibility of external factors influencing the state? The energy price will affect the Russian Federation - does it have independence?
      Quote: Philip
      And the last word is hardly written separately and through D.
      and?
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 February 2014 12: 59
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        Quote: Kars
        And that Ukraine is now struggling with someone for independence?
        Judging by the behavior and ACTION of your MAIDAN it is YES ...
        I wonder if in our central squares they began to chant like this "who does not jump that h..ol" how would you react to this?
        1. Kars
          Kars 7 February 2014 13: 19
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          I wonder if in our central squares they began to chant like this "who does not jump that h..ol" how would you react to this?

          You should shout .. that Caucasian, Tajik and so on, and somewhere Chinese.
          Quote: svp67
          Judging by the behavior and ACTION of your MAIDANSHIKOV then YES ..

          Well, you also go to the balotna, should I draw similar conclusions?

          we have a difficult situation, and there are many to blame - and there is plenty of guilt on the current government, which extremists are keen on, and there is also oil pouring into the fire from the Russian side, and more than from the west. Without Russian pressure, Yanukovych wouldn’t have to obviously do European integration, but no, Putin wanted to cost his vehicle.
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 February 2014 17: 01
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            Quote: Kars
            You should shout .. that Caucasian, Tajik and so on, and somewhere Chinese.
            What for? There is no shouting here, everything is according to the LAW that would be, that's what you need to achieve ... and not jump "stupidly"
            Quote: Kars
            Well, you also go to the balotna, should I draw similar conclusions?


            Well, WHAT are the conclusions ... Who is "on the knife", who is "get"? Compared to the Maidan - so, children's fun ...
            1. Kars
              Kars 8 February 2014 16: 56
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              Well, WHAT conclusions from this ... Who is "on the knife", who "get

              there is another scarecrow.
          2. svp67
            svp67 7 February 2014 17: 09
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            And adding oil to the fire from the Russian Federation is also present, and more than from the west.
            These words - the facts where?
            Without pressure from Russia, Yanukovych would not have had to do European integration so explicitly, but no, Putin wanted to cost his vehicle.
            Without the CRITICAL situation in which Ukraine is now, there would be no need to blame ... Have you read the documents on "European integration" yourself? I have the impression that Yanukovych also read them a couple of weeks before signing and realized that the signature under them is a rejection of Ukraine's INDEPENDENCE, since it is becoming almost completely DEPENDENT on the decisions of Brucelle, without receiving ANYTHING in return, not even a VISA-FREE regime , what almost all Ukrainians want, you did not receive ... So the refusal is natural, and the fact that the Ukrainian state was able to fulfill its debt obligations to the population in December and January is thanks to the Russian loan, that the West is not very much hurried to give you money ...
            1. Kars
              Kars 7 February 2014 18: 34
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              These words - the facts where?

              What is the problem, read Rogozin, Glazyev and))) Zhirinovsky.
              Quote: svp67
              Without the CRITICAL situation in which Ukraine is now located, it would not be necessary to FORGET anywhere

              So the Russian Federation just had a hand in creating a critical situation.
              Quote: svp67
              Have you read the documents on "European integration" yourself?

              I have long said that it will not be signed, and the demarches of the Russian Federation only smashed fire in the oil of anti-Russian nationalists. And the actions of the Russian Federation allowed this to spread to a larger number of people.
              Quote: svp67
              so it is thanks to the Russian loan

              This is the money that Ukraine overpaid for gas in principle.
              1. svp67
                svp67 7 February 2014 19: 46
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                Quote: Kars
                What is the problem, read Rogozin, Glazyev and))) Zhirinovsky.
                These are also words, where are the facts ... where are the military detachments prepared by Moscow, where are the "Russian special forces" who were so "expected" on the Maidan? Do not say nonsense ...
                Quote: Kars
                So the Russian Federation just had a hand in creating a critical situation.

                And detail...
                That is, the creation of a simplified customs regime for Ukraine is to your detriment? And this regime has worked since the collapse of the USSR. That they often "turned a blind eye" to the fact that gas does not reach Europe, but "evaporates" somewhere on the territory of Ukraine ... The fact that for the time being workers from Ukraine were accepted without any quotas is also harmful ... only to their workers.
                Quote: Kars
                This is the money that Ukraine overpaid for gas in principle.
                And you didn’t pay extra on other articles ... According to the results of the collapse of the USSR, your country was in the best position, you don’t have to pay USSR debts, industry is at the world level, there are more people than in any European country highly qualified specialists in industry, agriculture, scientists ... Ports, resorts, ... You had everything to flourish and WHAT? There is only one answer - Russia is to blame for everything ... You, as small children, are looking for everyone to blame, but you don’t want to admit your guilt ...
              2. Kars
                Kars 8 February 2014 16: 48
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                These are also words, where are the facts ... where are the military detachments prepared by Moscow, where are the "Russian special forces" who were so "expected" on the Maidan? Do not say nonsense ...

                again do not say stupid things? And there are plenty of pressure without special forces.
                Quote: svp67
                And detail...

                Yes already three times in this subject it was explained, and about a deceit with the Kharkov agreements, and about the price of gas and never anything simplified at the border, but there was a super doctor.
                Quote: svp67
                The fact that for the time being workers from Ukraine were accepted without any quotas is also harmful

                and our economy, too, has never accepted gastarbeiting.
                Quote: svp67
                They often "turned a blind eye" to the fact that gas does not reach Europe, but "evaporates" somewhere on the territory of Ukraine.

                Yah? you demand the facts yourself and you didn’t prove the passage, although the material resources are accountable here. But in fact, Ukraine has also spanned transit by pumping gas into gas storage facilities for its money.
                Quote: svp67
                And I didn’t pay extra on other articles.

                For what?
                Quote: svp67
                . According to the results of the collapse of the USSR, your country was in the best position, you do not have to pay USSR debts, industry

                Well, yes, she lost property abroad, the USSR Monetary Fund, gold reserves, and money in the USSR Savings Bank.
                Quote: svp67
                Yes, what a population, full of highly skilled specialists in industry
                Only now they produced something that nobody needed, what huge export prospects were, for example, AvtoZAZ with Tavria and Zaporozhets))) and so on the list, and then cheap consumer goods with labels and super packs flooded onto the CIS market. and you’re so bad at understanding the economy.

                Quote: svp67
                You, as small children, are looking for all the guilty, only you don’t want to admit your guilt

                here the campaign is the opposite case, I admit guilt. but here you want the RF to be white. fluffy)))
    2. svp67
      svp67 7 February 2014 13: 04
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      And that Ukraine is now struggling with someone for independence?
      Judging by a lot, a part of your people is fighting with another part of your people. But the question is which of them is for Ukraine?
  • philip
    philip 7 February 2014 06: 01
    0
    But you are, however, an opponent. First, holiness outside religions. And the second read L. Gumilyov. Regarding independence, Norway, Portugal, Belarus do not fight for independence, because they have it. And if the state is looking for the causes of its ills not in itself, but in other countries, it means it does not have independence.
    And the last word is hardly written separately and through D.
  • Gecko
    Gecko 6 February 2014 21: 47
    0
    At first, at least a federation, all of a sudden you really get along, and you’ll always be able to scatter even without blood. But in any case, we need to move in the direction in which the western regions, mentally different from the eastern ones, would not dictate their conditions and Wishlist to the entire Ukrainian state. And then in the western regions banned the PR and the Communists, and in the east the fascist parties say ban Nizya.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 6 February 2014 22: 13
    +1
    Quote: vostok1982
    Yes, it's time to split up. One is Holy Russia road, while others are drawn to New Sodom. Do not combine these directions, well, nothing.

    The division should not be territorial, Ukraine should maintain its integrity.
  • philip
    philip 7 February 2014 00: 38
    -1
    But under Joseph Visarionych there was a demon of problems.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 6 February 2014 20: 01
    0
    I agree with Vostok. Only here "peacefully" probably will not work out too painfully zhopashnikov with amers want to shit under Russia's nose.
  • konvalval
    konvalval 6 February 2014 23: 09
    0
    Early elections in this chaos are a very dubious event. Falsification is almost inevitable. With such intervention, the West knows in whose favor. They will provide "independent" observers.