The lead frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" will be launched in February

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The frigate of project 11356 Admiral Grigorovich, which is being built for the Black Sea fleet at the Yantar Baltic Shipbuilding Plant OJSC, will be launched in February, Interfax-AVN reports with reference to the plant’s press secretary Sergei Mikhailov.

“The construction of the lead frigate is proceeding according to plan, although with certain difficulties. This is mainly due to the work of equipment suppliers. But in February, we plan to launch this ship. Only unfavorable weather can prevent this event if there is a heavy ice situation in the water area of ​​the plant, ”said S. Mikhailov.

According to him, at present, five hulls of frigates of this project are being built at the Yantar plant. The laying of the sixth corps is also planned for this year.

As reported, the lead ship of this series of CKR "Admiral Grigorovich" was laid at the 18 plant in December 2010 of the year, the following: "Admiral Essen" - 8 July 2011 of the year, "Admiral Makarov" - 29 February 2012 of the year, "Admiral Butakov" - 12 July 2013 of the Year, "Admiral Istomin" - November 15 of 2013.

At the same time, an official representative of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), which includes the Yantar plant, announced in the summer of 2013 about plans that will place another order for the construction of three frigates of this project. There is still no contract for these ships, although a fundamental decision has already been made by the Ministry of Defense.

The frigates of this project are almost similar to those ships that were built on the "Yantar" for the Indian Navy.

Admiral Grigorovich will be the first ship of the 11356 project equipped with the Caliber-NK shipborne missile system with the high-precision 3-54TE cruise missile, the Sttil-1 anti-aircraft missile system, the Palash anti-aircraft missile system.

The Baltic Shipbuilding Plant "Yantar" specializes in the construction of warships and civilian ships of various classes with a launch weight of up to 10 thousand tons, as well as in ship repair works. In total, the Yantar plant built more than 100 large and about 400 small civilian ships, repaired over 430 naval ships and civilian ships.
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  1. +10
    5 February 2014 09: 35
    The good news would be more likely.
    1. +2
      5 February 2014 16: 28
      The good news would be more likely.


      Of course it’s good, and the project has been worked out, which is very rare in our time, because our Mistral should be protected
  2. 0
    5 February 2014 09: 38
    Does it seem to me or does it look like a Chinese frigate "type54"?
    1. +1
      5 February 2014 09: 43
      Well I do not know. Here is photo 54B.
      1. +5
        5 February 2014 11: 10
        I think or he looks like a Chinese frigate
        Or maybe the other way around ?!
      2. AVV
        +3
        5 February 2014 16: 07
        This is not ours, but the quick-eyed again ripped off the project !!!
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. +10
      5 February 2014 10: 46
      No, 11356 is still from Petrel grown. The Chinese have their own case, and more perfect, but ours also designed it.

      The Chinese and 11356 have in common - VPU SHTIL (Indians have beam truth), Frigate-M2. The rest is not even like. Well, the main complex of our UKKS, and the Chinese have clones of exosets.
    4. Associate Professor
      +3
      5 February 2014 11: 56
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Does it seem to me or does it look like a Chinese frigate "type54"?

      It seems to you
    5. +3
      5 February 2014 13: 23
      This Chinese tipe54 is similar to project 11356.
    6. +1
      5 February 2014 21: 03
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Does it seem to me or does it look like a Chinese frigate "type54"?


      No, it does not seem. A copy from Chinese, for sure ...
      1. 0
        5 February 2014 21: 36
        Quote: Geisenberg
        As reported, the lead ship of this series of TFR Admiral Grigorovich was laid at the plant on December 18, 2010,


        As I understand it, only the hull will be launched. And the work on it will continue. According to the article, it’s like that. I’m generally a land explorer; frigate? 3 years after all.
  3. +2
    5 February 2014 09: 38
    But someone is able !!!
    To all our shipbuilders at least such a pace !!!
    1. Wurger
      -5
      5 February 2014 09: 44
      A 1.5 billionth country with a slave labor force and a totalitarian ideology a priori will build faster and more than 120 millionth Russia with a thieves-aligarchic system. Here it is necessary to crush not with quantity, but with technology. But unfortunately there are big problems.
      1. Associate Professor
        0
        5 February 2014 11: 57
        Quote: Wurger
        120 millionth Russia

        143 millionth
        1. Wurger
          -2
          5 February 2014 13: 41
          I know. I considered only Russians. The rest either do not participate in the creation of the country's military power, or their percentage is such that it is not even included in the error.
          1. Sergh
            +1
            5 February 2014 16: 32
            Quote: Wurger
            I considered only Russians. The rest either do not participate in the creation of the country's military power

            Come on, didn’t you stop a pair of boots? Now the task is more complicated! Count the CHINESE in creating Chinese military power!
            PS The error can not be considered, otherwise there will not be enough shoes in the country.
            1. Wurger
              +1
              5 February 2014 17: 37
              He himself thought that he wrote? There are 56 nationalities in China, but 92 percent are Chinese (Han). Well?
              1. 0
                5 February 2014 23: 54
                Quote: Wurger
                He himself thought that he wrote? There are 56 nationalities in China, but 92 percent are Chinese (Han). Well?

                In China - ONE BILLION - poorly educated peasants living in subsistence farming.
          2. 0
            5 February 2014 23: 52
            Quote: Wurger
            I know. I considered only Russians. The rest either do not participate in the creation of the country's military power, or their percentage is such that it is not even included in the error.

            Well, in China, out of 1.3 billion (not one and a half), not all are Han.
            1. Wurger
              0
              6 February 2014 08: 01
              92%, just about everything.
    2. +1
      5 February 2014 11: 32
      Quote: olegff68
      But someone is able !!!
      To all our shipbuilders at least such a pace !!!

      They built the Hindus faster ...
  4. +6
    5 February 2014 09: 43
    Frigate of the project "type54"
    Main characteristics
    Displacement pr. 054 - 3500 tons (standard)
    3900 t (full)
    Project 054A - 3600 t (standard)
    4053 t (full)
    Project 054 length - 132 m
    Project 054A - 134 m
    Width pr. 054 — 15 m
    Project 054A - 16 m
    Precipitation 5 m
    Engines 4 diesel SEMT Pielstick 16 PA6V-280
    25320 power l. with.
    Mover 2
    29 nodes travel speed
    Cruising range 3800 miles at 18 knots
    Crew 190 people
    weaponry
    Artillery 1 × 1 100 mm AU
    Anti-aircraft artillery 4×6 30mm ZAK AK-630
    Missile armament 2 × 4 PU anti-ship missiles YJ-83
    Project 054 - 1 × 8 SAM HQ-7 (ammunition - 16 SAM)
    Project 054A - 1 × 32 SAM HQ-16
    Mine-torpedo armament 2 × 3 324 mm B515 torpedo tubes
    Aviation group helicopter Z-9
  5. +5
    5 February 2014 09: 47
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Does it seem to me or does it look like a Chinese frigate "type54"?

    Or maybe the Chinese is like him ?!
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      0
      5 February 2014 13: 19
      Similar, unlike. Our, somehow, looks prettier, and more serious.
    2. bask
      0
      5 February 2014 16: 51
      Quote: Bone
      Or maybe the Chinese is like him ?!

      Here is a Chinese copy?
      Most likely just similar.
      клик
  6. +3
    5 February 2014 09: 50
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Does it seem to me or does it look like a Chinese frigate "type54"?

    Yes, no, it does not seem. Project 11356 is not a few years old, and the Chinese are using it. By the way, for a long time, the flagship of the Chinese border guards was our former PSKR 1135.5 Menzhinsky, decommissioned from our old age and restored in China.
    1. GDP
      +1
      5 February 2014 10: 34
      They have a lot of things similar to our technique. Fortunately, it only seems so far ... But what will happen next? China is already very actively starting to develop its own technologies ...
      1. +1
        5 February 2014 10: 52
        Quote: GDP
        They have a lot of things similar to our technique. Fortunately, it only seems so far ... But what will happen next? China is already very actively starting to develop its own technologies ...

        That’s for sure, a couple of years ago they stopped mocking about the imposed restrictions on the export of Western weapons to the PRC, as cut off - it makes you think. Yes
      2. +2
        5 February 2014 18: 51
        God forbid the EU removed the armory embargo ... how glad the Frenchman was with their FREM frigate, the gansy will not be worth it either. The Chinese will gladly buy .. then they will be copied and let's get into the series !! And Russia "Gorshkov" for how many years has brought to mind cannot ...
      3. 0
        5 February 2014 23: 55
        Quote: GDP
        China is already very actively starting to develop its own technologies ...

        I would like to know what they developed?
    2. 0
      5 February 2014 11: 35
      Quote: Marconi41
      By the way, for a long time, the flagship of the Chinese border guards was our former PSKR 1135.5 Menzhinsky, decommissioned from our old age and restored in China.

      At the expense of China, is that for sure?
      PS: I Menzhinsky in 1994 saw in Nakhodka, stood nearby, handsome, no words ...
  7. +8
    5 February 2014 09: 55

    Project 11356R / M frigate
    Main characteristics
    Displacement 3620 tons (standard) 4035 tons (full)
    124,8 m length (longest)
    Width 15,2 m
    Draft 4,2 m (overall - 7,5)
    Engines Diesel-gas turbine power plant
    Power 2x30450 hp, GTA М7Н1 (8450 hp propulsion GTU, 22000 hp afterburner GTU), 4 WCM-800 diesel generators, 800 kW each
    30 nodes travel speed
    Cruising range 4850 miles nautical miles at a speed of 14 knots.[5]
    Endurance 30
    Crew 180 (18 officers) plus 20 marines[6]
    weaponry
    Radar armament BIUS "Requirement-M" or "Sigma" radar general detection "Fregat-M2M", radar general detection "Pozitiv-M1.2" (serial number 01354-01356), navigation radar MR-212 / 201-1 "Vaigach" -U"
    Electronic weapons PK-10 "Brave" electronic warfare complex (4 KT-216 launchers), 5P-10 Puma control system, MR-123-02 Vympel control system, Purga-11356 PUTS
    Tactical strike weapons UKKS "Caliber-NK"
    Artillery 1x1 100mm AU A-190
    Anti-aircraft artillery 2 modules ZRAK "Kortik" or "Broadsword" - 2x (8 PU ZUR, 2 * 6 30 mm) (64 ZUR 9M311, 6000 rounds) [7]
    Missile armament 8 anti-ship missiles ZM55 "Onyx" or 3M54 (family "Caliber-NKE")
    1x1 launcher ZS90 air defense missile system "Calm-1" (36 SAM) [7] 8x1 launcher air defense system "Igla-1"
    Anti-submarine armament 8 anti-submarine missiles 91RE1 (Kalibr-NK family),
    1X12 PU RBU-6000 RPK-8 (48 PLUR 90Р or RSL-60)
    Mine-torpedo armament 2x2 533 mm DTA-53-956 (torpedoes SET-65, 53-65K)
    Aviation group 1 helicopter Ka-27PL or Ka-31
    on the photo frigate of the Indian Navy Project 11356 "Talwar"
    1. 0
      5 February 2014 19: 09
      Who came up with such an idiotic name for the radar - "Requirement-M"? Or "Vaygach-U"? What nonsense, I can’t understand. It would be better if they just gave an index and it’s okay.
    2. Fortnite
      +1
      6 February 2014 18: 10
      In fact, if the cruise and afterburner GTU, then the unit is no longer "diesel-gas turbine", but simply gas turbine ... Diesel generators do not count - they are part of the EESK ...
  8. 0
    5 February 2014 10: 05
    All that we can do today ?! Therefore, I have to rejoice at this I have no doubt a worthy warlock, but I want so much ...
  9. avt
    +2
    5 February 2014 10: 26
    For a long time it was necessary to build them in parallel with the Indian order for ourselves, which was actually spoken of. It is a completely modern project mastered by industry. It would be better instead of the 22350 destroyer to design and build.
    1. +2
      5 February 2014 11: 37
      Quote: avt
      For a long time it was necessary to build them in parallel with the Indian order for ourselves, which was actually spoken of. It is a completely modern project mastered by industry. It would be better instead of the 22350 destroyer to design and build.

      I absolutely and unconditionally agree with you! Already about five would definitely go ...
    2. +1
      5 February 2014 11: 53
      22350 in any case, you need to bring to mind. A replacement will be defective if we refuse it in favor of 11356. IMHO, this project as a temporary transitional option would have.
      1. +1
        5 February 2014 16: 53
        Quote: man
        22350 in any case, you need to bring to mind. A replacement will be defective if we refuse it in favor of 11356. IMHO, this project as a temporary transitional option would have.

        Honestly, I do not see the cardinal advantages of the 22350.
        1. avt
          0
          5 February 2014 18: 46
          Quote: Nayhas
          22350 in any case, you need to bring to mind.

          Now of course you need to finish.
          Quote: Nayhas
          Honestly, I do not see the cardinal advantages of the 22350.

          Apart from the 130mm cannon, there is almost nothing. The displacement is greater, but who prevented me from checking the layout with a couple of extra spacing at 11356 in the pool, increasing the volume and mass of the placed weapons? What is fundamentally new in the ship as a platform for weapons? Really, like in the days of Novik, a fundamentally new solution, like when a turbine was installed instead of a steam engine? I have not heard anything about a high-quality race at 22350 m as a platform for weapons.
          1. 0
            5 February 2014 21: 35
            Well, compared to 11356, there are very many jumps in the current form. I wrote below. I’ll add that there is some kind of stealth technology there.
        2. +2
          5 February 2014 19: 12
          A redoubt with a range of 120 km with missiles with AGSN, or short-range missiles of 4 pieces per cell, or an old calm with a range of 50 km?
          16 cells UKKS or 8?
          I am silent about electronic equipment in general.
          In my opinion, everything is obvious. 11356 is far from what I would like to have.
          1. 0
            5 February 2014 22: 20
            Quote: patsantre
            A redoubt with a range of 120 km with missiles with AGSN, or short-range missiles of 4 pieces per cell, or an old calm with a range of 50 km?

            A raw and unfinished complex is redoubted, and Calm is already worked out devoid of childhood diseases. Etc. 22350 is an attempt to make some kind of Orly Burke in the SKR displacement, but damn miracles do not happen, SKR does not need such characteristics. For the money that was spent on 22350, it would be better if we took up the destroyer ... And 11356 is a workhorse that the fleet needs in large quantities.
            PS: Grigorovich was laid in 2010 and is already preparing for testing, Gorshkov was laid in 2006. and still being completed! And pr.22380 still go without air defense.
            1. 0
              6 February 2014 00: 50
              Quote: Nayhas
              TFR does not need such characteristics.


              Why? 22350 is meant as an ocean ship. And it will face the most serious tasks. For which 11356 is not enough
              Yes, 22350 is not ready, there are a lot of problems with him, the redoubts are crude, it’s all so. But, honestly, it’s not the fault of the project. You need to move forward anyway. And 11356, this stomp on the spot, a forced option. Nobody knew that with 22350 there will be so many problems, so it all happened, nothing can be done about it.
              In my opinion, if the future destroyer is also armed with a caliber and a redoubt, there really isn’t much need in 22350. Two almost identical ship designs with different numbers of missiles do not hurt. redutovskih.
              There is no point in discussing how to do it now, because it was necessary not to ruin the USSR ... well, you understand me. These considerations are our wet fantasies. We had to build 11356 a long time ago, and now we have to thoroughly deal with project 22350 and the destroyer. But we we have what we have.
              In general, I skidded here, I will return to the beginning of the conversation. It was from the very beginning that the 22350 is much better. And therefore, it is worth finishing it, not to stand still with the old, albeit well-developed project. This is your statement that it has no cardinal advantages.
              Quote: Nayhas
              Project 22380 still goes without air defense.

              20380 you probably wanted to say)
        3. +1
          5 February 2014 19: 28
          Then explain
          with a displacement difference of only 500 tons, the 22350 has twice the launch 16 to 8, or am I mistaken? winked
          1. 0
            5 February 2014 21: 32
            So.
            But this is only part of the armament. There is another air defense system, but only the air defense system 22350 is fundamentally superior in its capabilities to the air defense system 11356.
            1. 0
              5 February 2014 22: 17
              Kicking one gate? )) Someone here already wrote that we won’t overcome the Chinese in number - only in quality, I agree. Well, price-quality ratio 22350 - 11356?
              But now of course ...
              1. 0
                6 February 2014 00: 52
                To know more their prices)
                22350 more expensive than 2 times will be in the series, IMHO. But it's worth it.
    3. 0
      5 February 2014 11: 59
      Quote: avt
      It would be better instead of the 22350 destroyer to design and build

      When it is necessary to move forward anyway, and it is better to start earlier. So with pr.22350 it was necessary to start even earlier.
      "Admiral Gorshkov" by the end of the year should be ready for adoption, the ZHI will begin soon.
  10. +2
    5 February 2014 10: 32
    well, that for the Black Sea Fleet, it must be developed intensively
  11. KOH
    +1
    5 February 2014 10: 41
    Ships then regularly began to slide off the slipways ... Keep it up !!! good
  12. +5
    5 February 2014 11: 10
    I read the factory newspaper. So there they say that the launching, which was supposed to take place in July 2013, was postponed first to November 2013, and then to February 2014 due to the late delivery of equipment. Mooring trials will begin in the summer. Then the factory ones. At the end of 2014 - state-owned. If everything is in chocolate, then by the end of the year they will be admitted to the fleet, but the ship will go to the Black Sea Fleet only in 2015. By the way, when ready, the lead ship of the series catches up with the first serial ship, Admiral Essen. In the spring it is promised to be launched. And three ships of the series will come to the Black Sea Fleet in 2015. Here is such arithmetic.
    1. 0
      5 February 2014 11: 19
      It would be nice if that happened !!!! And then again allies, etc. will fail. Now it’s time for the Black Sea Fleet-based infrastructure ... it’s also time and money ....
      1. +1
        5 February 2014 11: 39
        Quote: moremansf
        Now it’s time for the Black Sea Fleet-based infrastructure ... it’s also time and money ....

        In Soviet times, Petrels were the most widespread TFRs and there shouldn't be any questions about basing.
        1. +1
          5 February 2014 13: 18
          And where are they planning to base them? In Sevastopol, where there is all the infrastructure, it seems impossible under the contract. And in Novosibirsk everything needs to be re-created. There are still those conditions.
          1. avt
            +4
            5 February 2014 13: 31
            Quote: man in the street
            And in Novosibirsk everything needs to be re-created. There are still those conditions.

            wassat Then it’s necessary to put it on the tracks, it won’t go on wheels.
            1. +3
              5 February 2014 13: 50
              Well, forgive Christ's sake. There are "frenzies". lol
              1. Sergh
                +1
                5 February 2014 16: 48
                Quote: man in the street
                in Novosibirsk you need to re-create everything

                This-this, tomorrow everything will be ready! We wait!
                Quote: avt
                Then it’s necessary to put it on tracks, it won’t go on wheels

                This is our business, what to put it on. The comrade said to Novosibirsk, then to Novosibirsk! Maybe we will carry it on our hands. And let’s let it go along the Ob’s forwarder, let the eye please from the embankment, the main thing is that it will have its own Navy!

                In I bent!
                1. +1
                  5 February 2014 21: 20
                  Quote: Sergh
                  And let’s let it go along the Ob’s forwarder, let the eye please from the embankment, the main thing is that it will have its own Navy!

                  The third bridge will have to be broken, it’s a pity ... But for the sake of the Motherland, Novosibirsk is ready to sacrifice it!
                  PS: I apologize Andrey, it’s not from evil that the Siberians were given such an occasion, thank you!
          2. PLO
            +1
            5 February 2014 13: 33
            take pity on the sailors)
            Why do we need a fleet in the Novosibirsk reservoir? laughing

            but in Novorossiysk it’s possible, although they say there first of all they make the basis for new diesel-electric submarines 0636
            1. +2
              5 February 2014 13: 57
              Quote: olp
              Why do we need a fleet in the Novosibirsk reservoir?

              What do you mean why? To be more intact. Let then the American AUG try to reach them. tongue
              1. Sergh
                0
                5 February 2014 16: 56
                Quote: man in the street
                To be more intact. Let then the American AUG try to reach them

                Speaking right! I can even say that we have a river school, and that’s already done the floor of the Navy, we’ll buy the rest. So be afraid of adversary, Siberia right now, just like that you won’t take and AUG will not help.
          3. Veteran Vlad.
            0
            5 February 2014 22: 57
            Quote: man in the street
            And in Novosibirsk

            IN NEW RUSSIAN
  13. ikken
    0
    5 February 2014 12: 01
    Handsome man! The strength of our allies is growing. Do you hear anything about the destroyer?
  14. +3
    5 February 2014 12: 36
    Cheers cheers. Seven feet under the keel!!! good drinks soldier God would rather be accepted into the fleet, and sent to the Black Sea Fleet, and most importantly, so that the sad story with the Project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov", which pumped up again, here is his fresh photo on January 18, 2014, the gun is still missing .. ...

    photo taken
    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/119374.html#comments

    Sorry! Again, it seems like a deadline. crying
  15. +1
    5 February 2014 13: 05
    According to the plan of 2012 it should have been adopted last year.
    But come on, I am glad that they do not pull much, they allocate money and the work goes on. Against the background of the long-term construction of project 22350, Severnaya Verf will, as expected, increase the order for this simpler and more mature project, which is also not bad. Apparently Project 11356 will become the main ocean-going ship of the fleet, although there is a hope that Severnaya Verf will nevertheless organize the construction of Project 22350. At one time "Yantar" participated in the tender for the construction of Project 22350, I wonder if they would have coped with the construction faster?
  16. 120352
    +1
    5 February 2014 13: 17
    Very good news! And the impression was already being made that our Navy, except for corvettes and artillery boats (in the Caspian), was not going to equip anything else with surface. The only thing that seems insufficient for me is artillery weapons. Only one hundredth. Of course, I am a little old and think of the categories of the cruiser Kirov, but the caliber is not convincing for me (less than the tank) and the number of trunks. Please explain what is wrong.
  17. Leshka
    0
    5 February 2014 13: 58
    waiting with joy
  18. +1
    5 February 2014 14: 40
    I will delight myself

    Long-suffering Gren in Kaliningrad at the outfitting wall
  19. +1
    5 February 2014 14: 53
    On January 22, the press service of the Southern Military District announced that the recruitment of the crew for the third MRK of project 21631 "Veliky Ustyug" has begun. Until the beginning of March, the crew must undergo part-time training on the same type "Grada Sviyazhsk" and "Uglich", after which in early April the crew leaves for Zelenodolsk to take part in the last outfitting work, to master the ship, its weapons and mechanisms. There will not be a single conscript in the carriage.
  20. +3
    5 February 2014 15: 06
    Quote: 120352
    Kirov, but the caliber for me is not convincing enough (less than the tank) and the number of trunks. Please explain what is wrong.


    1.100 mm А190 "Universal" - caliber 100 mm, rate of fire 80 shots per minute, elevation angles from -15 to + 85 degrees, reach of the target in height 15 km, firing range 21 kilometer .... Why is there a bunch of trunks?

    The artillery complex A-22350-192P-5E "Armat-Puma" will be installed on 10. Caliber 130 mm, firing range up to 23 kilometers, on air up to 18 km, vertical guidance from -15 to +80 degrees, horizontal +/- 170 degrees. rate of fire 30 rounds per minute. This product has now been renamed "Cartown".
    1. 120352
      0
      5 February 2014 17: 07
      In battle. happen, individual guns fail. so duplication existed on the same Kirov, but here? And in range and angles is normal.
  21. -1
    5 February 2014 16: 08
    More often such news would have arrived, and in the ears of adversaries.
  22. kelevra
    0
    5 February 2014 18: 54
    I am very happy, like any citizen of Russia!
  23. 0
    5 February 2014 21: 17
    Very happy for the Chernomortsev!
    I would like to rejoice more often for our other fleets
  24. 0
    6 February 2014 09: 36
    The article is interesting. Tell me who comes up with the names of the ships. What made Admirals Grigorovich, Essen, Butakov, Istomin famous for, what naval battles they participated in, what is their contribution to the development and formation of the Russian fleet in order to perpetuate the memory of them in the names of the ships.

    In the Black Sea Fleet at different times there were ships whose names were not in doubt. For example: the cruisers Memory of Azov, Memory of Mercury, Zarya Svobody, destroyers Savvy, Impeccable, Merciless, " Brisk "," Capable ", patrol ships" Storm "," Shkval ".
    Why are there no successors to these ships now?
    1. Fortnite
      0
      6 February 2014 18: 28
      "Well, you fucking give !!!!" (FROM)
      Other words do not somehow come to mind ...
      Especially about the "Dawn of Freedom" - skipped a beat ... somehow alarming ...