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Free flowing oil

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The decline in oil prices again forced the global financial community to talk about the next wave of the crisis, which could hit the countries - major exporters of “black gold” in the first place. As is known, Russia is among not only the world's largest oil exporters, but also among its main producers. At the end of last year, about 510 million tons of oil was extracted in our country (3,75 billion barrels, taking into account the ratio of tons and barrels for Russian grades of oil).


Free flowing oil


For the first month of 2014, a barrel of oil lost around 5% in price and today is trading at around 104-105 dollars. According to a certain circle of economic experts, such a fall in oil prices is not a temporary phenomenon. They say that the world should prepare for the fact that the price level for "black gold" will steadily decline further. What reasons explain their fabrications? Let's just say, everyone blows in his tune. For example, economic analysts from the United States and Japan are confident that the decline in hydrocarbon prices is a trend that the world should get used to because the United States has an annual increase in the development of shale oil (and shale gas too).

Ernst & Young reports that 2013 was a watershed year for the United States. It was in this year that a significant amount of shale hydrocarbons was produced, demonstrating an abrupt surge in production. According to specialists from the same Ernst & Young, in two or three years the United States should almost completely provide itself with oil, reducing imports to the minimum of all recent years. At the same time, Ernst & Young analysts stubbornly do not mention the fact that in the United States every year the number of lawsuits against those producing companies that claim a "cloudless future" of shale oil production is sharply increasing every year. The number of abandoned "deposits" is increasing abruptly ...
The lawsuits are mainly of an environmental nature, and are supplied with very interesting evidence from those who have already experienced the whole “charm” of shale hydrocarbon production. Frames from the muddy slurry flowing from the kitchen faucet, which flares up from the match held to it, were published by many news agencies.

In his blog on Echo of Moscow, journalist Vasily Golovnin, who works in Tokyo, publishes information that he said he heard at the National Press Club in the capital of Japan. So, in Japan they are sure that with the growth of shale oil production, Americans are not being cunning. Moreover, in the Japanese economic press there are predictions that in just over 5-7 years, the United States can completely abandon oil imports, since it will switch to full self-sufficiency in this matter.

But why are Japanese economic mass media so sure of the success of the American “shale miracle”, when in other countries of the world (and in the USA too) in terms of the efficiency of shale oil production - there is a great skepticism?

In fact, Japanese confidence is no confidence at all. This is a kind of mantra that has to be repeated for ourselves in order to convince ourselves again of a cloudless future with cheap oil. Such a "mantra" is aimed at this. First, if oil will only continue to fall in price, it will have an extremely positive effect on the Japanese economy, because for its development we need not just energy, but cheap energy. Secondly, the active development of the Japanese economy will again allow the Japanese to contend with China for economic primacy, at least in the East Asian region, and in fact the Japanese economy has lately been more than a giant hole (national debt is more than 1000 trillion (quadrillion) yen - about 10 trillions of dollars) is clearly not in the “openwork”.

True, an interesting "but" arises here. After all, cheap energy (oil in the first place) and for China are also extremely beneficial. China alone can buy billions of yuan in purchases of hydrocarbons from Russia if the price of a barrel fell below the psychological mark in 100 dollars. Why, then, do the Japanese so much hope that the decline in oil prices will play up to their economy, but will not give any positive to China? It is worth returning to the publication of Vasily Golovnin on Echo of Moscow. The focus of this publication becomes clear after such words of the author:

Keeping oil prices at a level no lower than 70-80 dollars will give a chance for survival to countries with archaic authoritarian regimes that, as a rule, control global oil reserves.


And almost immediately:
The US refusal to import oil will not be the only blow to the market - China, too, is believed to be, if not reduced, then not too much to increase its consumption. China's economy is losing growth. And the main chance of China is the transformation towards the Japanese development model. Those. fast jump from mass production of low-cost products to a technologically innovative economy. The first in the world succeeded in Japan, then in South Korea. If China manages to make such a transition, it will reach a new level of development, but it will not noticeably increase oil consumption. If he fails, the result will be the same, since the pace of his economic growth will in any case fall.


Do not many “fall” and “lose the pace of growth”? .. That's the highlight of this publication on the most “democratic platform” of all Russian media ...

That is, the main message goes in what form: if oil costs more than 80-ti dollars per barrel, then “authoritarian archaic” regimes can still somehow stand up. If not, “kaput” right away ... According to the authoritarian archaic regimes, judging by the words presented, “the gentleman from Tokyo” also includes the Chinese model, which, you see, must certainly move “towards the Japanese development model”. This, I'm sorry, what is such a Japanese model of development? Oh yes, the one in which the state has a trillionth (in dollar equivalent) debt in the 10 liabilities, and this debt (almost 80 thousand dollars for every living Japanese), any Japanese government is trying hard to disguise the nationalist “renaissance”, something else from this series. You can’t go anywhere - you have to disguise, as if the government of the Land of the Rising Sun took responsibility and began to pay its debts, tightening its belts and strangleholds on ordinary Japanese, then this cabinet would be immediately sent to "pacify Fukushima". The Japanese authorities (like the US authorities, by the way) do not want to take responsibility in terms of repaying huge public debt, delaying this point for the future, and in order to justify their actions, they come up with fairy tales “about a white bull” - authoritarian regimes, goodness from shale oil, the need for transition China's economy on Japanese rails (read - rake), and much of the same series ...

Obviously, the materials that the oil “well, will surely fall below the plinth,” or even completely end in years like this through 20-30, are also directed against Russia. Of course, such an opportunity to our "partners" gives more than a substantial raw material part of the Russian economy. Any trough in oil prices will hit not only the economy of the Russian Federation, but also its political segment. The budget for 2014 year is laid out, based on oil prices not lower than 93 dollars per barrel. Today, even more 10 dollars are coming to this critical point, but if the speculation continues, and if someone from Wall Street says again: “The crisis has come,” then these 10 “spare” dollars will dissolve quickly. And in this situation it will be possible to blame at least the Japanese, even the Americans, even the Venusians, and the Russian economy (unlike the Chinese one) will definitely have a hard time. Offensively? Yes. Annoying? Yes. Insulting and annoying to our government? Here there are some doubts, because in recent years, the raw material part of the economy has only grown, despite the Napoleonic plans for diversification, modernization and other innovations ...

Of course, with a rational approach to the use of income from the commodity sector, it is also possible to disperse the economy well (Norway is an example), but the fact of the matter is that with a rational approach, everything is somehow difficult ... Dear oil is bad - we start money in the US You know, the European “Uncle's” pod is rammed so that inflation does not jump ... Cheap oil is bad again - pod lop is uncorked, programs are “adjusted”, belts are tightened…. Well, it’s just an energy source not granted by nature, but some kind of punishment ... Is there a person in power who can turn this "heavy cross" into what hydrocarbons should be for the modern economy - a real impetus for its full-fledged (and not only raw materials) development? "Will seek…"
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  1. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 5 February 2014 07: 26
    +36
    from the Don.
    Why look? Everything lies on the surface. The construction of new refineries, lower fuel prices, mineral fertilizers for the village, the real owners of the land, the nationalization of elevators, the dispersal of grain dealers, 3-year tax breaks for farmers, the reduction in the tax rate for farmers! That's what can pull Russia out in any situation in the global economy! Only who will decide on this !?
    1. Rinat 1
      Rinat 1 5 February 2014 07: 58
      +20
      I agree. only modernization and reduction of energy prices within the country will give a leap to the economy. And since fuel prices sharply increase during sowing, we can talk about progress in agriculture. In our KZ, all oil refineries are always on modernization, no longer need to be upgraded, but a new one can be built.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 5 February 2014 08: 38
        +6
        Quote: Rinat 1
        In our KZ, all oil refineries are always on modernization, no longer need to be upgraded, but a new one can be built

        - Well, do not pay attention, it’s time to get used to it already - both sowing and modernization at refineries.laughing Already at EURO-10 would be modernized if there really would have been a modernization laughing
        Will there be a man in power who can turn this “heavy cross” into what the produced hydrocarbons should be for the modern economy - a real impetus for its full (and not just raw) development? "Will seek…" - npsial would be easier - turn a lemon into a lemonade, everything would become clear and short
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 5 February 2014 09: 35
          +11
          There are some doubts here, because in recent years the raw materials sector of the economy has only grown, despite the Napoleonic plans for diversification, modernization and other innovations ...


          If we count in dollars, then yes, the share of raw materials and oil and gas is growing, but if we look at the export of crude oil, we see a gradual decline. In other words, this is a rather tricky move, when they put interest from budget revenues into gas, but they are silent about the fact that these growing revenues were obtained with a decrease in exports of, say, "natural" products, that is, CRUDE OIL.

          As for gasoline, in recent years a decent number of oil refineries have been modernized, which instead of Soviet fuel oil and diesel fuel began to produce gasoline.


          The fall in energy export indicators is inversely proportional to the growth of industries, the very oil / gas / electricity consumers.

          In other words, the tendency to get rid of oil dependence is evident so that critics do not speak.
          1. Canep
            Canep 5 February 2014 10: 31
            +4
            There are some doubts here, because in recent years the raw materials sector of the economy has only grown, despite the Napoleonic plans for diversification, modernization and other innovations ...
            The government, in order to collect green pieces of paper, needed to build factories, for 500 billion, you can build 500 huge factories that would be profitable not by petrodollars, but by machines, machines, chemicals, pills at last. The only problem is that the killed education will not be able to provide a sufficient number of qualified personnel for these plants.
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 5 February 2014 10: 51
              -1
              Quote: Canep
              which will be profitable not by petrodollars, but by machines, machines, chemicals, pills at last.


              According to the results of the 2013 year, almost all of the industries you listed grew by 7-10% compared to the previous year. But the most eloquent will not look at individual facts, but at the dynamics


              Somehow, it doesn’t stick at all with the statement that factories are standing in the country and that nothing is being built or produced ....
            2. Olegovich
              Olegovich 5 February 2014 17: 13
              +2
              It was necessary to build factories

              Actually, they are already building, if you haven't noticed. It's just that our media does not cover it, it is not interesting. Now, if you talk about "singing cowards" a hundred times a day, yes!
              You know many facts and names: the huge pig farms and cowsheds of Miratorg, Sibur - a plant for the production of polypropylene in Tobolsk (500 thousand tons, investments of 60 billion rubles), in Omsk the plant Poliom, Ural locomotives (production of high-speed trains "Lastochka"), Transmashholding (more than 2013 locomotives of various types were produced in 300), the Chelyabinsk Metallurgical Plant produces 100 meter rails (20 billion rubles), NLMK-Kaluga (38 billion rubles), Elektrostal Tyumen (22 billion rubles), etc.
              In total, over the past year in Russia more than 200 medium and large new industries have been opened, including projects implemented at existing enterprises. Among the new factories, workshops and production complexes 107 with an investment volume of 1 billion rubles, 51 launched with the participation of foreign investors, 134 built from scratch.
              1. Anatoly. RUS
                Anatoly. RUS 5 February 2014 21: 33
                +3
                I am from Chelyabinsk, where the factories are constantly in a fever about stability is out of the question (it may be "probably" profitable not to raise salaries all the time after the recession). The production is all shattered, the machine tools are exhausted, new imported machines are like icons, God forbid, break down. An order appears urgently. set order no: REDUCTION.
                ZMZ "squeezed out" now they boast about how people were transferred to another plant, and not about the fact that it was restored. (A job fair is planned for January 29 in Zlatoust. Large enterprises of the regional center will take part in it. Among them are the Chelyabinsk Electrometallurgical Plant, the Chelyabinsk Metallurgical Plant, NPO Elektromashina, Ravis and others. The director told Vecherka Employment Center of the City of Chelyabinsk Alexander Shegurov.

                “We want to help the Zlatoust plant, the residents of the city who have been reduced, find work in Chelyabinsk with housing, with decent wages,” he says. - Today we are agreeing with enterprises that agree to go to Zlatoust in order to get acquainted with the candidates on the spot and offer them a job. We have employers who are able to provide Zlatoust workers dormitoryorganize shift work, delivery of employees by official transport.)
                1. Olegovich
                  Olegovich 5 February 2014 22: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Anatoly. RUS
                  On January 29 in Zlatoust a job fair is planned. Large enterprises of the regional center will take part in it. These include the Chelyabinsk Electrometallurgical Plant, the Chelyabinsk Metallurgical Plant, OAO NPO Elektromashina, OAO Ravis and others. This was told to Vecherka by the director of the Employment Center of the city of Chelyabinsk, Alexander Shegurov.

                  By the above, you only confirm that some enterprises do not withstand competition, while others try to extend the region.
                  1. Anatoly. RUS
                    Anatoly. RUS 6 February 2014 12: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Olegych
                    By the above, you only confirm that some enterprises do not withstand competition, while others try to extend the region.

                    don't you disgust yourself? am The word competition can and is appropriate when it is said in advertising about "twix" sticks. And about my country! Which, having such a potential, is a raw material appendage of the West. Working at ChTPZ, we sent pipes (cold-rolled) to Italy and constantly received complaints, but they did not want to give up the pipes, the price tag was like that of scrap metal. am when our athletes advertise in the form of a foreign brand, and not ChTZ for example! It's disgusting! am that everything is CHINESE. And where is the competition ??? when on the next "cut" the tender will be received by the one who will give more kickback! An acquaintance of mine worked in a brigade of gas-cutters, after the raider seizure they "flew" into the shops and cut everything off. WHERE IS THE COMPETITION ???? The state is not doing anything to support enterprises.
                    1. Olegovich
                      Olegovich 6 February 2014 13: 10
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                      Quote: Anatoly. RUS
                      The word competition can and is appropriate when it is said in an advertisement about "twix" sticks.

                      Unfortunately, the word "competition" does not choose where to function. This is the same law of nature as the sunrise. If you spend 2-3 times more coal, electricity and other resources per ton of steel of a certain quality, then even if you break against the wall, they will not take it on the market at that price. Look, at enterprises of different generations, the number of personnel differs significantly! And the performance is much higher. Unas, too, for example, there are few orders on old pipe mills, people's salaries are small, reductions and other "delights". And in the new camp, the plan is big, salaries. There, and the quality is different.
                      Here the question is different: the owners are different, treat their plants differently. Someone develops, stimulates workers, puts new lines, and another pumps out profits to the limit, and does not invest, does not repair.
                      And to say, let the state take such plants for itself - also nothing good. Some defense state factories are developing, and some debts are accumulating, and they are gradually stopping.
                      1. Anatoly. RUS
                        Anatoly. RUS 6 February 2014 18: 45
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                        Quote: Olegych
                        Unfortunately, the word "competition" does not choose where to function. This is the same law of nature as the sunrise. If you spend 2-3 times more coal, electricity and other resources per ton of steel of a certain quality, then even if you break against the wall, they will not take it on the market at that price.

                        It sounds like something from a fairy tale: That will, that not will anyway wassat
                        For some reason, China did not prevent the whole world from filling the world with consumer goods, making it from "steel of a certain quality." Yes, cheaper, but beautiful, BUT QUALITY, there is also high-quality, BUT ON THE EXPENSIVE.
                        Quote: Olegych
                        Here the question is different: the owners are different, treat their plants differently. Someone develops, stimulates workers, puts new lines, and another pumps out profits to the limit, and does not invest, does not repair.

                        Again about China: if there the owner began to "pump out" the plant, then the article = execution am
                        Quote: Olegych
                        And to say, let the state take such plants for itself - also nothing good. Some defense state factories are developing, and some debts are accumulating, and they are gradually stopping.

                        WHAT IT IS NECESSARY FOR OUR STATE! There are city-forming plants, they merged! Have you seen the endangered villages? CHILDREN PLAY CHINESE TOYS WHICH ARE POISON (because they are cheaper). Why buy a Chinese truck and not our truck? The list goes on until stupefying. And to say that this is competition, and not the state, is to say the least silly.
                        Do you say they’re building? Yes, but in my understanding, it’s all related to export or assembly of finished parts. Where are the machine-tool plants? In Chelyabinsk, no longer. Where is the Electronics? Where is the medical equipment?
                        Quote: Olegych
                        You know many facts and names: the huge pig farms and cowsheds of Miratorg,

                        Slaves were also fed. laughing Only our products are crammed with such rubbish (so that it would be profitable) that it will probably respond soon.
            3. 31231
              31231 5 February 2014 19: 39
              +1
              it was necessary to build factories, for 500 billion you can build 500 huge factories,


              Everything is simple for you. Just to build a plant, it is necessary that there would be a demand for its products. And here comes the price-quality criterion. Well, maybe we woe will come to a decent quality in half, but how are you going to fight the price of goods in the Asia-Pacific region? Europe is losing its production capacity due to cheaper labor and tax burden in the Asia-Pacific region. So fantasies are fantasies, and the reality is completely different.
              Moreover, factories designed for the Russian market, although slowly, are being built.
              1. ddd1975
                ddd1975 6 February 2014 02: 08
                +1
                for this there are barrage duties. Equalizing the odds for the price is enough. But you can’t argue with quality. We have China at hand - over the past 15-20 years, leaps in product quality are very noticeable. And this is primarily the chemical industry - new materials, etc. And here is the question of education - 5 years of chemistry department, only full-time - there is no correspondence and evening (specifics of the profession). Here we add - a specialist (like doctors) without experience is not needed. Bottom line: you want to develop the industry tumble down a bunch of dough and wait 10 years.
                1. 31231
                  31231 6 February 2014 08: 38
                  +1
                  for this there are barrage duties.


                  Fees exist now. In size, as in many world economically developed countries. And barrage duties are nonsense. Competition should be not only among domestic producers, but also with world ones. An example of this is the USSR. When their consumer goods were better than ours.
          2. Orik
            Orik 5 February 2014 11: 06
            +3
            In other words, the tendency to get rid of oil dependence is evident so that critics do not speak.

            I understand that money needs to be worked out, but why write nonsense. The export structure is improving as prices for exported raw materials fell, exported about the same, but received less. http://refru.ru/dtexp.pdf Plus, the stagnation of production, not because they do not want to extract, but because the reserves explored under the USSR are being depleted. Geological exploration is not being conducted, new technologies for increasing production are not being used, the infrastructure laid down in the USSR is being used, and they are "well done".
            Budget revenues fluctuate with oil prices, stop lying. http://info.minfin.ru/fbdohod.php It should be borne in mind that
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 5 February 2014 11: 56
              0
              Quote: Orik
              but why write nonsense. Export structure is improving as prices for exported raw materials fell, exported about the same, but received less


              So what did you want to say ???
              In 1999, the share of oil and gas in revenues was 20%, while in 2012 it was already 50%. It?


              Well, let's see how it happened. In 1999, with 100 barrels, we received 10 in the budget, and in 2012 already 60, here you have all the arithmetic. Note that we count in barrels at prices of the corresponding years, and the price of oil in our final calculations does not matter.


              Oil and gas revenues in 2005 increased 6,5 times compared to 1999, although oil production during the same period increased by only 53% and gas by 8%
              Oil and gas revenues in 2012 increased 9,5 times compared to 1999, although oil production increased by 75% and gas by 10%


              This is how the share of oil and gas in the country's income increased.

              And most importantly, in the USSR, dependence on oil was at the same level - 40-50%, for all its "developed" industry.

              And the non-oil sector is growing and growing very well, but against the background of rising energy prices in the total amount of income in dollars, this is not noticeable, but in real terms the difference is obvious. The industrial production index is given above.
              1. tellurium
                tellurium 5 February 2014 13: 38
                +4
                It may be enough to tell "tales about the growth of the non-resource sector. After joining the WTO, there is a decline in production from 7% to 10% at Avtovaz, Kamaz, and at Uralaz, the minimum load over the past 30 years. Value added tax ruins high-tech sector of the economy, leading to a significant increase in the cost of final products. Even well-known entrepreneurs talk about the deliberate collapse of the economy.
              2. Orik
                Orik 5 February 2014 14: 30
                +1
                Fine. First, according to your table, during the reign of Putin, the country's dependence on energy prices increased from 18,1% to 54,4%. For example, in the USSR, when oil prices fell in 1986, revenues from the export of oil and oil products decreased from 11 billion rubles a year to 5, and the USSR budget grew from 366 billion rubles in 1986 to 410 billion in 1990. If we fully consider the entire income from the sale of oil as budget revenue (and this is not so, oil has a prime cost), then even in this case, the share of oil in the budget ranges from 3% to 1,2%. Where is 40-50% brainwashed ?! laughing
                http://www.budgetrf.ru/Publications/Magazines/Ve/1995/95-7illarionov/95-7illario
                nov020.htm
                http://rus-stat.ru/index.php?vid=1&year=1998&id=34
                Feel the difference of 1,2% in the USSR and 54,4% in Russia. Another attention! The increase in oil and gas revenues has a multiplier effect (or a multiplier effect in Russian), when the growing revenues are spent by the state, oil and gas companies, and the demand in the economy grows accordingly. Although this is not so joyful, it is believed that only 20% (!!!) of private demand remains in Russia, the rest goes abroad to purchase everything from food to engineering products and medicines. Such dependence and it, as we see, only grows!
                The second, and it was not in vain that they planted a hodor, there was a redistribution of income in favor of the state (I won’t check the chart, we will take it as it is), BUT and then ?! Further, there really was more to teach people, and also a very substantial share is cut by officials (according to various sources, up to 30% of the budget). For example, the rollback for receiving an order in 1999 was 3-5%, and now 15%. Then a friend told a generally egregious case, but he was a participant, when they were delivered to one of the special services (one of the main ones in the fight against corruption), he was first rammed up by 20%, and then ... they increased the amount of the contract in several stages (in his favor) in ... 4,8 TIMES, this is not a typo. Therefore, officials love Putin.
                Last, ANY significant drop in energy prices will lead to a drop in budget revenues, oil companies and the inverse cartoon effect in the economy.
                1. sledgehammer102
                  sledgehammer102 5 February 2014 17: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Orik
                  First, according to your table, during the reign of Putin, the country's dependence on energy prices increased from 18,1% to 54,4%.


                  You do not read, the share of oil in the budget of the Russian Federation has increased due to putting things in order in this area. And before that we sold the same amount of oil, only taxes did not come to the budget)
                  1. Orik
                    Orik 5 February 2014 22: 29
                    +1
                    Do not blame me for your sins.
                    First, the dependence of the Russian budget by 54,4% in 2011 on oil and gas in the FACT. Second, the dependence of the USSR budget on oil in 1990 is not more than 1,2% FACT i.e. your statement
                    And most importantly, in the USSR, dependence on oil was at the same level - 40-50%, for all its "developed" industry.

                    is FALSE!
                    Third, I do not deny the redistribution of oil revenues from the oligarchs to the budget, but now the bureaucratic vertical is feeding them.
                    Fourth, redistribution is not the only reason, the sharp increase in the share was in the period 2004-2006, when the sharp rise in the price of oil begins. Further, with the exception of the speculative leap, the price of oil was no higher than $ 100 and only in 2011 does it exceed it, for these its share in the budget grows in 2012. They don’t collect barrels to the budget and money, just someone later transferred it back if they collected more money due to the price, then in barrels it will turn out more if later this amount is divided by the cost of a barrel. Enough to engage in demagogy, tired.
                    1. sledgehammer102
                      sledgehammer102 6 February 2014 10: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: Orik
                      Second, the dependence of the USSR budget on oil in 1990 is not more than 1,2% FACT


                      We are waiting for specific links to sources and numbers, and so you are a dumbbell)))
                      The dependence of the economy in the USSR on oil was at the level of today's Russia. maybe a little less.

                      Quote: Orik
                      Fourth, redistribution is not the only reason, the sharp increase in the share falls on the period 2004-2006, when the sharp rise in oil prices begins

                      Calculations were made in barrels at prices of the corresponding years. The price of oil does not matter here. In other words, they produced N barrels, K barrels came to the budget))
                2. 31231
                  31231 5 February 2014 19: 54
                  0
                  First, according to your table, during the reign of Putin, the country's dependence on energy prices increased from 18,1% to 54,4%.


                  Read carefully.

                  In 1999, with 100 barrels, we received 10 in the budget, and in 2012 already 60, so much for arithmetic.


                  The state is now pulling much more from the oil and gas industry as taxes and fees. No wonder Abramovich and Berezovsky migrated, and Khodorka filed a demonstration case.
            2. 31231
              31231 5 February 2014 19: 50
              +1
              Plus, the stagnation of production, not because they do not want to extract, but because the reserves explored under the USSR are being depleted. Geological exploration is not being conducted, new technologies for increasing production are not being used, the infrastructure laid down in the USSR is being used, and they are "well done".


              Who told you that ?! He worked in the North when the geological maps looked surprised how much more open is not being developed. But it is not being developed for one reason, it is stupid to increase production, because the price will start to fall. Plus, no one wants to invest quickly and in large volumes in the development of deposits and infrastructure. Little by little, little by little they are developing, as far as possible they are trying their own means, less often with the help of loans.
              And geophysicists are now very actively "rustling" across the expanses of Russia in search of gas and oil. Because their profit depends on it. In 2006, in the mining department of the Irkutsk department of Rostekhnadzor, the chief boasted about the number of geophysicists' offices and areas for oil and gas exploration. He said "Some kind of fever!"
              1. ddd1975
                ddd1975 6 February 2014 02: 46
                +1
                All developments are still Soviet times. A good expression is "SHURSHAT" - in the last decade, the concept of "work for the result" has become a "image of stormy activity". Remember: when you come to the university you say - "forget everything that you were taught at school", after graduating from the university and coming to production (or science) they told you - "forget half of what you were taught at the university." There are no specialists in the country - all literate people work abroad or have changed their occupation for financial reasons. If any of the "youngsters" stayed and did the work at the course level of the 3rd year student of the time before 1996 - immediately at SKOLKOVO and on TV - these are our hopes! My father had 18 years of field experience in geology (Primorye) - where are all these specialists? Who will develop and how? - when the whole world is working on images from satellites and on aerial photography, we run across endless expanses with a pick and a shovel. I no longer take into account miralogs and other specialists. In the 90s there were specialists - he poured money for development or into the plant and coupons - where should he go now? Have done stupid bachelors and masters - in the magistracy of the FEFU (I was just at the open doors), the work is written in 2 years (this is for the master) !!! At one time, after graduating from the University and graduate school, we communicated on an equal footing with any luminary of sciences - God forbid, having answered: 52 entered the course, 28 graduated - 3-4 sheep. With the salary level in the states in the specialty from 3 to 8 pieces in their money. And how much does a chemist of this level get now - 30-35 already in ours ??? About 80% of my circle work over the hill and are not going to return. Isn't that the problem?
                1. 31231
                  31231 6 February 2014 08: 34
                  +1
                  You have gone from geological and geophysical exploration towards education. You would still rush to the side of product quality in the automotive industry.

                  There are no specialists in the country - all literate people work over the hill or have changed their occupation for financial reasons.

                  I don’t know where you are there that you saw. I encountered two geological parties. One from Ufa, the other from Noyabrsk. Both have imported acoustic equipment. Ufa residents have a powerful hydraulic hammer as a source of wave propagation, and not just loggers. The November party has the chief engineer only 35 years old. His salary is 150 rubles in the winter season. In the summer of 50. Loggers have 100 rubles in winter, 30 in summer. Orders from the oil industry and gas industry, sometimes the state.
                2. Olegovich
                  Olegovich 6 February 2014 13: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: ddd1975
                  There are no specialists in the country - all literate people work over the hill or have changed their occupation for financial reasons.

                  Generally nonsense.
                  "The mustache is gone, chief!"
                  On the contrary, literate people work and raise Russia, it’s just that the industry has changed. More programmers, analysts, highly qualified doctors, dentists, machine tools (especially for CNC machines) are required. Machinists are generally a hit among jobs and salaries. Mid-level engineers also receive a normal salary.
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      3. siberalt
        siberalt 5 February 2014 11: 05
        +3
        How can we reduce prices for energy resources for domestic consumption in a market economy? This is only if these resources are state or the state will pay extra to the miners. In both cases, all these "weaknesses" will be successfully stolen and the product will reach the consumer in even less volume.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 February 2014 15: 49
          +2
          Quote: siberalt
          How can a market economy reduce energy prices for domestic consumption?

          Easy. Cancel excise taxes on petroleum products for the domestic market, and make the work of the antimonopoly committee effective.
      4. Zordan
        Zordan 5 February 2014 17: 10
        +3
        Yes!
        World oil prices are falling - domestic gas prices are rising.
        World oil prices are rising - domestic gas prices are rising.
        Paradox laughing
        1. Olegovich
          Olegovich 5 February 2014 17: 50
          0
          Quote: Zordan
          World oil prices are falling - domestic gas prices are rising.
          World oil prices are rising - domestic gas prices are rising.

          In fact, gasoline in Russia is one of the cheapest, compared to European ones, and much more.
          Russia took 30th place in the European list of fuel prices. Domestic gasoline is one of the cheapest in Europe; at the end of June, one liter of 95th gasoline cost an average of 31 rubles. against 60 rubles in European countries, RIA Rating reports.

          According to the results of the first six months of 2013, the most expensive gasoline was noted in Norway. The price of 95th gasoline there averaged 78,5 rubles. for one liter. Since a significant share of the cost of gasoline in Norway is not received by oil companies, but by the local budget, the fuel in this country serves to redistribute benefits in society.

          The second place in the ranking was taken by Italy, where the average price of gasoline is 74,1 rubles. for one liter. The Netherlands, the leading oil trader in Europe, closes the first three, where the average cost of one liter of 95th gasoline is 73,8 rubles.
          The rating was compiled on the basis of statistics of European countries on gas prices with an octane rating of 95. The price analysis was carried out by converting the local currency into rubles at the exchange rate of the Central Bank of Russia.
          http://www.gazeta.ru/auto/news/2013/07/24/n_3063845.shtml
          So do not la la. wink
          1. Nikoha.2010
            Nikoha.2010 5 February 2014 20: 11
            +3
            Good evening, Ivan! I agree with you, the price of gasoline in Russia and in Europe, there is a difference. The question is that, firstly, we are sitting in the fifth place on oil (we have the truth that everything is "popular" underground, but only the guy will get it and nifig's dreams do not come true), and secondly, take the average salary in the European Union and convert it into rubles by current exchange rate and compare with the average in Russia ... hiSelf-deception turns out ?!
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 5 February 2014 20: 52
              +2
              Quote: Nikoha.2010
              The question is that, firstly, we are sitting on the fifth point on oil (we have the truth that everything is "folk" underground, but only the uncle will get it and nifig's dreams do not come true),


              RF - flooroil country, which is very badly seen from the graph below. To it can still be added the conditions for the extraction of black gold and the distance for its transportation.


              Quote: Nikoha.2010
              and secondly, take the average salary in the European Union and convert to rubles at the current rate and compare with the average in Russia ...

              The correct sequence will be as follows
              1) Subtract taxes and mandatory fees (insurance, etc.)
              2) compare prices for the same gasoline plus products
              3) compare the prices of education / medicine and dentistry separately, it is immediately worth noting that not everywhere there is a concept budget place at the university. or compulsory medical insurance
              4) Compare communal

              And only then will a relatively objective comparison be obtained. The standard of living in the developed EU countries or in the USA will be higher - a fact, but this difference will not be as huge as they try to imagine.
              1. ddd1975
                ddd1975 6 February 2014 03: 24
                +1
                1. Judging by the schedule, we should all buy from the rig and the toilet bowls from us will be made of pure gold, as in Qatar.
                2. Work "bullet to bullet"
                Vladivostok: annual income - 700 000 rubles, eat 1 room (good) per year - 180 000 rubles, medicine 27 000 rubles per year.
                California: annual income of 1 rubles, eating candied minimum (with a common pool) 920 rubles per year, medicine 000 per year.
                Taxes are included, the dollar took 32 rubles, the price level in the states is lower (something more expensive, something much cheaper) with Vladivostok is not comparable. The count is very rough, but the order is comparable.
                Count yourself.
                1. sledgehammer102
                  sledgehammer102 6 February 2014 10: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: ddd1975
                  1. Judging by the schedule, we should all buy from the rig and the toilet bowls from us will be made of pure gold, as in Qatar.


                  And where is it interesting on schedule that you saw it?
          2. ddd1975
            ddd1975 6 February 2014 03: 05
            +1
            Didn't overlook it, urgently fix it. Do not forget that Norway is almost communist and the standard of living is a little higher. Yes, by and large, we - as ordinary people - should be fond of what the government is doing there - this is their job. Only they must do it honestly and correctly - and the result will be, no doubt, otherwise, in principle, it cannot be. It is important for me to have a stable job and live so that the questions of "what does the country's budget consist of and where does the money come from" do not arise even in the far corners of the brain. If we have these questions, then the government is working as something wrong or not fair - probably pi *** t our money.
            So maybe the problem is this?
        2. 31231
          31231 5 February 2014 19: 58
          0
          World oil prices are falling - domestic gas prices are rising.
          World oil prices are rising - domestic gas prices are rising.


          Do you know world gas prices?
          Well, look for the info. Marvel Especially surprised at the unexpected high cost of it in many oil-producing countries.
      5. alone
        alone 5 February 2014 20: 57
        +2
        Quote: Rinat 1
        I agree. only modernization and reduction of energy prices within the country will give a leap to the economy.


        Unfortunately for Rinat, there is one tendency in the former republics of the USSR.

        The fact that once the price rises does not fall anymore. Like it or not, we all shine only with price increases.
    2. predator.3
      predator.3 5 February 2014 11: 39
      +3
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      from the Don.
      Why look? Everything lies on the surface. The construction of new refineries, lower fuel prices, mineral fertilizers for the village, the real owners of the land, the nationalization of elevators, the dispersal of grain dealers, 3-year tax breaks for farmers, the reduction in the tax rate for farmers! That's what can pull Russia out in any situation in the global economy! Only who will decide on this !?

      I absolutely agree with you, I would also like to add, to develop our mechanical engineering, primarily agricultural, so as not worse than these "John Deere"!
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 5 February 2014 12: 00
        -4
        Quote: predator.3
        I absolutely agree with you, I would also like to add, to develop our mechanical engineering, primarily agricultural, so as not worse than these "John Deere"!


        Therefore, there are now a bunch of new domestic combines in the fields, and their producing enterprises are setting records every year.
        1. Orik
          Orik 5 February 2014 14: 42
          +1
          Aw, liar. The production of combines in the 2012 year in relation to 2011 fell by 7,7%, and your favorite Rosstat gives only figures for the 2011 year, statistics. smile
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 5 February 2014 19: 51
            +1
            Quote: Orik
            Aw, liar. The production of combines in the 2012 year in relation to 2011 fell by 7,7%, and your favorite Rosstat gives only figures for the 2011 year, statistics.


            dear, you already farted a little loudly into a puddle a little higher))) And here, you are engaged in an open distortion and substitution of the thesis

            It was
            On the fields in the Russian Federation there are a lot of new Russian combines

            It became
            Combine production fell year-end

            So, no luck ...
            1. Orik
              Orik 5 February 2014 21: 58
              0
              It was
              their producing enterprises set records every year

              Do not go, the statement is false. Like all of your Jesuit demagogy, built on sticking out positive facts and blabbering negative ones.
              So, no luck ...

              The older brothers set the tests for you there, but you are the one to set the tests.
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 5 February 2014 13: 31
      +2
      I'm ready, it remains only to climb up and scum to disperse into camps so as not to interfere.
    4. AVV
      AVV 5 February 2014 14: 49
      0
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      from the Don.
      Why look? Everything lies on the surface. The construction of new refineries, lower fuel prices, mineral fertilizers for the village, the real owners of the land, the nationalization of elevators, the dispersal of grain dealers, 3-year tax breaks for farmers, the reduction in the tax rate for farmers! That's what can pull Russia out in any situation in the global economy! Only who will decide on this !?

      We need not only to drive crude oil, but also focus on deep processing of this resource, reduce dependence on supply volumes to the maximum, improve the quality of the processed product !!! Oil industry is not entirely profitable, but we need to stimulate them to do it !!!
      1. Olegovich
        Olegovich 5 February 2014 17: 28
        +1
        Quote: AVV
        We need not only to drive crude oil, but also focus on deep processing of this resource, reduce dependence on supply volumes to the maximum, improve the quality of the processed product !!! Oil industry is not entirely profitable, but we need to stimulate them to do it !!!

        In 2012, the Russian oil refining industry set a record for oil refining over the past twenty years and for the first time in the last five to six years escaped the traditional autumn crisis in the gasoline market - oil companies finally took upon themselves the burden of modernizing Soviet refineries
        http://expert.ru/expert/2013/20/za-nee-bolshe-ne-styidno/ Почитайте.
        Moreover, this is old data, for 2013 even better. Almost all large refineries have modernized, built modern installations from scratch and produce gasoline at Euro-3 minimum. Yes, in general, at all gas stations already Euro-5. Diesel fuel is already coming from hydrotreaters.
    5. Zordan
      Zordan 5 February 2014 17: 08
      -3
      Lacks the most important thing!
      Political will.
      Who are we - Energy sphere of power (you give white oil products output both in Europe and the USA and not as it is now 3 times smaller), the World Economic Center (2 programmers and 2 smart financiers who can work on forex will be enough) or Nano country ( we need institutions and scientists with decent pay and conditions but without scams in the form of Skolkovo).
      Russia has spread too much all over the country with a thin layer, and even plundered up to 80%
      They didn’t take any time to specifically focus and systematically promote it, but how Chubais reformed there a little bit here, too, as a result of which there was collapse and ruin everywhere!
      1. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 5 February 2014 20: 35
        +1
        Quote: Zordan
        Lacks the most important thing!
        Political will.
        Who are we - Energy sphere of power (you give white oil products output both in Europe and the USA and not as it is now 3 times smaller), the World Economic Center (2 programmers and 2 smart financiers who can work on forex will be enough) or Nano country ( we need institutions and scientists with decent pay and conditions but without scams in the form of Skolkovo).
        Russia has spread too much all over the country with a thin layer, and even plundered up to 80%
        They didn’t take any time to specifically focus and systematically promote it, but how Chubais reformed there a little bit here, too, as a result of which there was collapse and ruin everywhere!

        Nichrome I did not understand Andrey. No specifics, "focus" your thought and write later!
    6. Nick
      Nick 5 February 2014 21: 28
      +1
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      reduction in fuel prices, mineral fertilizers for the village, real land owners, nationalization of elevators, dispersal of grain dealers, 3-summer tax holidays for farmers, lower tax rates for farmers! This is what can pull Russia out in all circumstances in the global economy!

      Absolutely right! I’ll add only - subsidies to Russian agriculture to level with subsidies in the European Union ...
      Then you can compete on equal terms with European farmers ...
    7. ddd1975
      ddd1975 6 February 2014 01: 48
      +1
      Can translate Shoigu to make the Minister of Agriculture ???
  2. Andrey Borodin
    Andrey Borodin 5 February 2014 07: 51
    +12
    Oh, how good it is to live in the world! Let the oil prices fall, all the same, a simple diesel fuel with a blue-green dye under the Euro brand will go up and no one will give any benefits to anyone. It (oil) that grows, that falls, the people are purple.
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 5 February 2014 09: 48
      -3
      Quote: Andrey Borodin
      It (oil) that grows, that falls, is violet to the people.


      That's when you will cut your pensions and salaries and pay them with delay, when the re-equipment program is curtailed, kindergartens and sports complexes stop building, then you’ll talk about the violet.
      1. calocha
        calocha 5 February 2014 10: 59
        +2
        The country has no agrarian industry ... A crisis is on the verge of a human kind. There will soon be a terrible famine. All the West will disappear from the shelves, but ours ... no! We are on the verge of extinction ... - political will and financial assistance of the State.
        1. queen
          queen 5 February 2014 11: 38
          +1
          Quote: calocha
          The country has no agricultural industry

          + You ... it won’t be ... there will be nothing for managers to earn. I’m sure that in addition to bananas and pineapples, all exports should be closed to such a mother.
        2. Olegovich
          Olegovich 5 February 2014 17: 36
          +3
          Quote: calocha
          The country has no agrarian industry ... A crisis is on the verge of a human kind. There will soon be a terrible famine. All the West will disappear from the shelves, but ours ... no! We are on the verge of extinction ... - political will and financial assistance of the State.


          I don’t know where YOU can find all imported products in chain stores? For 10 years already, sour cream - local, 3-5 different brands, cheese - 90% local (Lithuanian 5%, Finnish 2%), chickens - all Russian (Belgorod, Volgograd own, Krasnodar), pork, beef - Miratorg and local farm, canned fish, meat - all Russian, cereals, noodles (I'm not talking about "Makfu") - 100% own, sweets, chocolate, cookies - all their own! WHERE do you find 100% of imports?
          So to blur?
          Even wines - 70% Krasnodar, Kuban, excellent. I don’t need Spanish ones.
          You are behind the times, and your wife probably goes to the store laughing
          1. ddd1975
            ddd1975 6 February 2014 05: 02
            0
            Akstis ... Produced in Russia does not mean 100% internal "our". Confectionery (sweets, chocolates, cookies) - 95% are owners of multinational companies (Mars, Kraft, Nestlé, United Bakers, etc.). Well, you buy chocolate - 40% (at best) manufacturer's margin, 15-40% markup before hitting the counter (again at best), half of the retail is foreign companies - where does the profit go? What difference does it make who produces. Tomorrow, factories in Russia will be closed, you will get a hundred thousand unemployed, and they will start importing from across the hill - it’s just the capacity there because of the crisis, but nobody canceled the demand. Now take the raw materials for the production of chocolate - cocoa base (Cote d, Ivoire), sugar (also not local, well if Ukraine), well, vegetable fats and chemicals (Europe, China). Russian label means little now. Meat (I live in Vladivostok) 95% imported - China, Canada, Denmark, Argentina, Australia. There is local milk and chickens - a lot, I admit. Well, they seem to have learned how to freeze fish normally - individually. Vegetables in Primorye - China by 90% (even potatoes !!! local rots quickly - you need to deal with varietal, but there is no one). Fruit 100% import. Wine - "there is no comrade in taste and color" - but the question of "Masandra" port or Portugal (well, let it be "Baros") is not even worth it. It is foolish to compare table wines from Cuba even with Chile, Georgia, South Africa (not the most "wine" countries in terms of classics of Europe). Even condiments are the market leaders Kamis and Katani. Look at what the bread is baked from (thank God, not all of it) - additives in the dough are up to 40%, you will not believe even add rubber - like for elasticity - all additives are imported. God forbid war - we will get 250 grams of bread like in Leningrad, everything else (including the strategic stock) will be devoured in a couple of months. Russia has no security in terms of food - 100%.
            1. Olegovich
              Olegovich 6 February 2014 13: 48
              +1
              Quote: ddd1975
              Confectionery (sweets, chocolates, cookies) - 95% are owners of multinational companies (Mars, Kraft, Nestlé, United Bakers, etc.). Well, you buy chocolate - 40% (at best) manufacturer's margin, 15-40% markup before hitting the counter (again at best), half of the retail is foreign companies - where does the profit go? What difference does it make who produces. Tomorrow, factories in Russia will be closed, you will get a hundred thousand unemployed, and they will start importing from across the hill - because of the crisis, capacities are being released there, and no one has canceled the demand. Now take the raw materials for the production of chocolate - cocoa base (Cote d, Ivoire), sugar (also not local, well if Ukraine), well, vegetable fats and chemicals (Europe, China). Russian label means little now. Meat (I live in Vladivostok) 95% imported - China, Canada, Denmark, Argentina, Australia. There is local milk and chickens - a lot, I admit. Well, they seem to have learned how to freeze fish normally - individually. Vegetables in Primorye - China by 90% (even potatoes !!! local rots quickly - you need to deal with varietal, but there is no one). Fruit 100% import. Wine - "there is no comrade in taste and color" - but the question of "Masandra" port or Portugal (well, let it be "Baros") is not even worth it. It is foolish to compare table wines from Cuba even with Chile, Georgia, South Africa (not the most "wine" countries in terms of classics of Europe). Even condiments are the market leaders Kamis and Katani. Look at what the bread is baked from (thank God, not all of it) - additives in the dough are up to 40%, you will not believe even add rubber - like for elasticity - all additives are imported. God forbid, war - we will get 250 grams of bread like in Leningrad, everything else (including the strategic stock) will be devoured in a couple of months. Russia has no security in terms of food - 100%.

              Of course, I can’t say what you have in the Far East.
              Therefore, he cited data on the Volgograd region. However, I will answer.
              Confectionery - Russian factories: "Confectionery products in Russia are produced by more than 1 factories, the total output of which exceeds 3 million tons per year." I will not give a list. On the shelves - Samara, Volgograd "Confil", "Slavyanka", Bashkir, Red October, "Lakomka", "Babaevsky", "Korkunov".
              We exclusively have our own potato - Voronezh, Bashkir, Rostov.
              Cucumbers, tomatoes - their own, regional, from greenhouses (by the way, we only have three huge complexes in the city, one was rebuilt last year, now it starts, frosts do not care at all)
              About chickens, at least they didn’t argue - progress is already wink
              The Cherkizovo Group is building a pig farm in the Far East, so soon it will be producing its own pork, as on the "mainland".
              About imported, chemical ketchups, I already thought everyone had forgotten. It turns out, no, I'm sorry. We have beautiful ketchups Krasnodar.
              Apples local, Volgograd, "Gorodishchensky. Our juices" Gardens of Pridonya "I hope they reach you?
              So pull yourself up. wink
      2. queen
        queen 5 February 2014 11: 34
        +3
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        That's when you will cut pensions and salaries

        But do you think it’s good to profit from your own people? Have you noticed at least one drop in fuel prices, I think not. All this is not business ... it is theft, and what’s more
      3. pogodnick
        pogodnick 5 February 2014 11: 43
        +3
        Comment from 1991 year ....
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 5 February 2014 12: 14
          0
          Quote: pogodnick
          Comment from 1991 year ....

          Parallel worlds exist))))

          Quote: calocha
          The country has no agrarian industry ... A crisis is on the verge, and there is no such thing as a human being. A severe famine will soon come

          From grain importers in 2001, we became exporters. Russia is steadily (as far as possible in crop production) increasing net grain exports, which amounted to 2012 mln. Tons in 21 year.
          Do you see the tragedy in the graph below?


          Quote: calocha
          Everything Western from the shelves will disappear, but ours ... is gone! We are on the verge of extinction ...

          As we see, we have much less import than in the past.


          Quote: pogodnick
          Have you noticed at least one drop in fuel prices, I think not

          I noticed an increase in salaries, which is much more important.


          Well, separately for 10% of the population groups by income, so as not to cause more cries about the "temperature in the hospital"

          1. Orik
            Orik 5 February 2014 14: 57
            +1
            It is believed that people earning 60% or less of the average salary are poor. The average salary in 2013 was 29 rubles, minus 889% we get 40 rubles. It turns out that 17-933 groups or 1% of the population are poor in our country. And don't write about the "living wage", don't No. so that you yourself live on it.
      4. kaktus
        kaktus 6 February 2014 05: 22
        0
        Passed already in the 90s, and what? Want to try it yourself? It's easy ... A little more prosperity by sledgehammer102 (1) "and everything is ultraviolet.
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 5 February 2014 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Borodin
      Let oil prices fall

      )))) It ain't no oil getting cheaper it's paper wrappers called money getting cheaper, energy is always energy, it is heat and light and movement, and money is nothing. ))) something like that )))
      1. Orik
        Orik 5 February 2014 15: 11
        0
        Quote: Scoun
        )))) It ain't no oil getting cheaper it's paper wrappers called money getting cheaper, energy is always energy, it is heat and light and movement, and money is nothing. ))) something like that )))

        You are wrong when candy wrappers become cheaper (they are printed more), oil prices rise, and when they even expect a slowdown in print production, oil becomes cheaper.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 5 February 2014 15: 51
          +2
          Quote: Orik
          You are wrong when candy wrappers get cheaper (they print more) oil prices rise

          Maybe I didn’t quite rightly express my idea, but the money supply is the money supply of one hundred dollars, one thousand dollars, a million lire, Tugriks are just banknotes with a denomination drawn on them and a ton of oil is a ton of oil, it is not drawn and it can heat, maybe to make move, a lot of things can. Money is a virtual value, the price of grain is also changing and even if a ton of grain costs at least a ruble at least one hundred rubles, a ton of grain will always be a ton of grain.
  3. makarov
    makarov 5 February 2014 07: 55
    +8
    Even during the life of V.S. Pikul wrote a work called "Fatty, Dirty and Selling.", Where he clearly described the importance of oil in reality and in the future.
  4. Orik
    Orik 5 February 2014 08: 21
    +4
    Today's price drop is a reaction to expectations of a reduction in dollar emissions.
  5. ZU-23
    ZU-23 5 February 2014 08: 31
    +4
    It seems to me a similar article is being described here for the third time. Until oil drops in price, by the year 20 Americans will have half the land destroyed, unsuitable for life. The main thing for us is to raise the agrarian and other industry not related to oil and gas.
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    2. invisibility
      invisibility 5 February 2014 09: 00
      +2
      Our state just gave a damn about everything except oil! Let's say coal is actively used in China. And the Chinese are not singing a song about the economic benefits or not the benefits of "coal energy". The state subsidizes the industry and makes a profit from other sources. These are jobs, taxes and, accordingly, the high paying capacity of the population. One word can be denoted - state interests! And not a bunch of krakhobor ...
      1. queen
        queen 6 February 2014 00: 43
        0
        Quote: invisible
        These are jobs, taxes

        and what is the tax ?????
    3. queen
      queen 6 February 2014 00: 39
      0
      Quote: ZU-23
      It seems to me a similar article is being described here for the third time. Until oil drops in price, by the year 20 Americans will have half the land destroyed, unsuitable for life. The main thing for us is to raise the agrarian and other industry not related to oil and gas.

      in how can rats steal ??????
  6. PSih2097
    PSih2097 5 February 2014 09: 10
    +3
    At the same time, Ernst & Young analysts stubbornly do not mention that the number of lawsuits against those producing companies that claim to have a “cloudless future” for shale oil production is steadily increasing every year in the United States. The number of abandoned "deposits" is increasing stepwise ...

    1. rozowik
      rozowik 5 February 2014 20: 29
      0
      However, the educational video, it is extremely sorry for the people who got into this situation, they deserve what?
  7. lukewarm
    lukewarm 5 February 2014 09: 19
    +7
    The problem is that we do not have a significant part of sovereignty. In fact, we are occupied, only the occupation is kind of creeping. Let the Russian surnames in the cabinet (and even not all of them) be embarrassing. Until the Central Bank is nationalized and the liberal fundamentalists are not removed from governance, we will pay, pay and pay for everything and for everyone. In this regard, it seems to me that a military conflict is preferable to such a slow strangulation.
  8. engineer74
    engineer74 5 February 2014 09: 46
    +4
    All these discussions about shale energy do not take into account the cost of their production. If the oil price falls below a certain threshold (EMNIP about $ 90), its production from shale becomes unprofitable, also applies to gas. smile
    So we can, damn it, sleep peacefully on a raw needle. sad
  9. mountain
    mountain 5 February 2014 09: 52
    +6
    Yes, what kind of price reduction are we talking about? Look at the map and weather reports. Frosts where in due time only on a photo saw snow. Yes, and new technologies, while resting and how long it takes to use them everywhere. So I do not believe in stories from hirelings.
  10. calocha
    calocha 5 February 2014 10: 52
    +2
    It is necessary to create a strategy for the development of the country after the era of gas and oil, create a piggy bank, start up part of the piggy bank to develop and search for alternative types of energy, while not repeating Western technologies, but looking for completely new ideas and representing these ideas to a narrow circle of the country's best scientists, everything must be strictly classified.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 5 February 2014 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: calocha
      It is necessary to create a strategy for the development of the country after the era of gas and oil, create a piggy bank, start up part of the piggy bank to develop and search for alternative types of energy, while not repeating Western technologies, but looking for completely new ideas and representing these ideas to a narrow circle of the country's best scientists, everything must be strictly classified.

      I agree with you, only for the implementation of such programs you need a different social system, a different power system, a planned economy, etc. In short, socialism, preferably Stalinist and, preferably, with a human face.
      smile
    2. queen
      queen 6 February 2014 01: 45
      +1
      Equilibrium watched ?????
  11. moremansf
    moremansf 5 February 2014 11: 11
    +3
    It is time to transfer Russia from a raw material economy to a manufacturing one, raise agriculture, industry, stop pumping the public wealth to the West, for many years I have been wondering why gasoline costs more in Tyumen than in Moscow, and the salary is the opposite ... no one can answer ... enough to strangle our own ... we are already artificially creating a crisis situation by playing on the price of oil ... the whole economy of the country cannot be built on just that ... they’ve got into Syria, you have oil prices, Ukraine’s gas, and we have a drop in the ruble. .. the West does not like us, let's think about ours !! !!
    1. rozowik
      rozowik 5 February 2014 21: 17
      +2
      It is certainly good to raise the industry, but with the same quality, boots made in China (and even delivered) will cost less than those made in the Russian Federation, and for now this is the main problem for the development of industry in the Russian Federation and other countries.
      1. queen
        queen 6 February 2014 01: 51
        -1
        Quote: rozowik
        in the Russian Federation, and while this is the main problem of industrial development in the Russian Federation and other countries.

        and when x y th show ?????
    2. queen
      queen 6 February 2014 01: 49
      0
      You are reasonable ... we cannot
  12. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 5 February 2014 11: 30
    +3
    Because of this oil, our roof has gone ... We need to raise agriculture, remove intermediaries, we can feed the whole world as it was before, As one good business executive said ON OUR DON "IF THE CITY DIES HIS VILLAGE RISES, AND IF THE VILLAGE DIES, THE END AND THE CITY ".
  13. Stinger
    Stinger 5 February 2014 12: 09
    +2
    A lot of oil is bad. Little oil is bad. Reds come - rob. White come - rob. The larger the growth, the more homeless people. And all because the growth of the economy has nothing to do with the welfare of the population. So maybe his height is so good?
    1. queen
      queen 6 February 2014 01: 54
      0
      gentle leader ..
  14. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 5 February 2014 12: 12
    +2
    Correctly you say a colleague! And the Americans are just bluffing once again, shale oil is also not easy to extract, environmental problems and natural disasters cannot be avoided there, the problems are very large and not fully understood. The casket opens very simply - it is possible to take oil from old wells into which it was pumped in storage since the late 70s, that's the whole secret!
  15. Puffed up
    Puffed up 5 February 2014 19: 32
    -1
    The answer is on the surface now. Those who captured us take our raw materials now. For the rest they spit it then. Well ... for a species, they will portray that activity. Therefore, we are a raw material colony now. So many people write that they need to do this .... this ..... and the invaders need this then? Until the yoke ends, then there will be no good. But do not lose heart then. After all, they did it all: they stole money, they deceived the people, but they don’t have peace. And that will not be. So in Kiev it flashed. And Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Soon the Russians will wake up then.
    1. rozowik
      rozowik 5 February 2014 23: 03
      +1
      At whose expense in Kiev blazed not tell me by chance?
      I understand that simple hard workers would raise a bucket, but not an organized group in uniform and with all the goodies without pity, letting soldiers who cannot even answer into the expense.
      1. queen
        queen 6 February 2014 01: 58
        -1
        Quote: rozowik
        At whose expense in Kiev blazed not tell me by chance?

        at the expense of people and people ...
    2. 31231
      31231 5 February 2014 23: 16
      0
      Change the flag to zhovtoblakitny and write shortly "Get out gang!"
  16. sergant89
    sergant89 5 February 2014 21: 17
    +2
    I have written more than once, I live in Yamal., My brother works in a gas field, maintains aircraft engines that clean and drive gas into a pipe, and so over the past 2 years Moscow has been knocking its feet about increasing production, which is what they are doing, but the salaries are stabbed to people saying about the crisis and "Optimization of production", while the managers and the office plakton (these are mainly the kids of the leaders) have salaries for 100t.rub and at the end of the year millions of bonuses and charter flights to Moscow for the Christmas tree and corporate parties, and what is the use of increasing production and The increase in energy prices, Ordinary Workers are not easier or better from this, only the production load increases, while the city is not supplied with gas by 50-60%, to the field along the road 16 km, in a straight line for the pipe 7 km, the price of AI 95 34 rubles 60 kopecks. , and what kind of improvement can we talk about, at least here in the North EVERYONE recalls the Union when a simple hard worker could earn a car or an apartment in a year, but those days are gone.
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 5 February 2014 21: 35
      +2
      sergant89 Good evening! We live in Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, we work at a compressor station, just like your brother, we only compress the gas and "kick it" through the pipe further to Chelyabinsk. The situation is familiar, the north is far from the same ... Everything is the same, prices are rising for everything. Oil is mined in the district and transported to Omsk for processing, returned in the form of fuel and lubricants at the prices you specified. No, in order to build a plant in Surgut or in another non-monotown, there is no such policy, I generally keep quiet about gasification and marketing of associated gas ...
    2. 31231
      31231 5 February 2014 23: 18
      0
      Which city?
      Dying Nadym? Or Urengoy?
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 6 February 2014 05: 28
        0
        Here in these cities (to choose from) and transfer the capital! good drinks
    3. queen
      queen 6 February 2014 02: 08
      -1
      h ... m .... oh ... in the Kremlin ....
  17. fartfraer
    fartfraer 6 February 2014 00: 32
    0
    maybe a little bit off topic, but with regards to the rise of our industry, in Tomsk, this rise is not noticeable. and to all "patriots", except for "hurray" other words, I bring to the notice, I work now on tire fitting of trucks, for three months of work I saw only one Kamaz-long-range truck (the wheels are still on "stars", if that says something) and three KamAZ-dump trucks. The rest is China, Europe, America. 6-7 cars per shift "we change the shoes" (out of season just). so my personal statistics show the popularity of Russian civilian technology a little differently than that of the "uryakolok". further, the drivers scold the "Chinese" from time to time (both rubber and the cars themselves), but my naive suggestions to transfer to Kamaz, "shod" in "kama" laugh in a good way and offer me to ride this myself ... (unprintable expressions) .so these are the things ... information for thought
  18. abdrah
    abdrah 6 February 2014 01: 58
    0
    Wow! - "the national debt is more than 1000 trillion (quadrillion) yen - about 10 trillion dollars" there is nothing to compare such a figure with, without going over to the orders of elementary particles or vice versa to the size of the universe. To begin with, the Yapas would have to make a denomination in order to save paper, and then obviously they will have to do hara-kiri, since even the empire of good will have a smaller bill of exchange.
  19. Beethoven
    Beethoven 7 February 2014 08: 25
    0
    "Many news agencies have published footage of a cloudy slurry flowing from a kitchen faucet and flaring up from a match brought to it."
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    Shots in the studio!