The strong hand of the army. Egypt chose the military, not the Islamists

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Quite a lot of scientific and journalistic literature has been written about the army and its huge role that it played in the third world countries. At the present time, when global problems of international security, terrorism, Islamization, issues of democratization of social and political life, etc., come to the fore, the problems of the army seemed to be (especially after the Arab Spring, when the armed forces were powerless or passive before external dictates ) fades into the background. However, recent events in Egypt once again make us think about the role and importance of the army in the political process of individual countries. On the agenda is the question of whether the military at the transition stage to ensure the implementation of democratic reforms and the modernization of society, or is it about the dictatorship and the establishment of another repressive regime?

Historical the role of the military in the Arab countries was determined by the specifics of economic and socio-political development. In conditions of economic multistructure and incompleteness of social structures, the army was often the only force capable of organizing a national liberation movement and then heading a young state. The real power in the localities was most often concentrated in the hands of army commanders who decided not only the military, but also the most important social and state issues. The participation of the military in all significant events (field work, forest planting campaigns, the creation of a network of secondary schools, public construction projects, etc.) has become a tradition. And from the first days of independence, the army in many Arab countries already had significant influence in the leadership, being the only supplier of personnel for the state administrative apparatus.

Historical reality

In countries where, as a result of the national liberation struggle or subsequent military coups, the army came to power, officers quickly became an important element of the new elite, controlling not only the state, but also the party and economic apparatus. Former officers occupied key political and administrative posts, and the army itself became the tool with which representatives of the new strata of Arab society, who became carriers of nationalistic moods of various kinds, reached the top of power. Later, this led to its role in the political system of Arab countries, which was enshrined in many constitutions, which placed on the army the obligation to participate in the development of the country and the building of socialism (Algerian Constitution 1976), in protecting national interests, cultural and constitutional order (Sudanese Constitution 1998 of the year), guard the socialist gains of the people (Egyptian Constitution 1971 of the year). The Syrian Basic Law 1973 of the year says: "The armed forces are responsible for defending the goals of the revolution - unity, freedom, socialism."

The strong hand of the army. Egypt chose the military, not the IslamistsHowever, the coming to power of the military was far from unambiguous. In some countries, the armed forces initiated large-scale socio-economic reforms, in others the military government suppressed the initiative of any changes and interrupted the peaceful development of social and political life. There were other models of intervention, which in practice led to new military coups. As a result, there were quick and controversial changes in domestic policy. An example is the political process in Syria, where the nature of the ruling bloc and the forms of its political power changed after independence seven times.

But the constitutional consolidation of the role of the army in public life allowed it to take root ever deeper into civilian life and influence the political system. This influence explains, in particular, the existence of specific agencies of the high command of the army, which carried out state functions, at certain intervals.

The intervention of the army in politics has historically been very diverse in its social and ideological orientation, which was determined by the specific historical conditions of a given country, the scale of social contradictions and the distribution of internal political forces. In some cases, the army took power because of a lack of real social and political power in society, in others because of the insufficient capacity of existing ruling groups for social leadership during a period of serious aggravation of internal contradictions. Sometimes the army became the head of state, being the heir to the traditions of the struggle for liberation and the successor of the participants in national liberation revolutions. However, as the process of historical development has shown, most of the military regimes established as a result of the state coups and the coming to power of the army were characterized by a common dominant feature - they were based on the ideology of national security. This doctrine was a military-political guarantee that the state had to provide to achieve and protect national goals, despite the antagonisms and contradictions that arose. The task of determining the extent of the threat to national security according to this doctrine was assigned directly to the army. This was facilitated by another popular idea - the civilian mission of the armed forces. It was believed that they were designed to correct the mistakes of politicians in accordance with the concept of national security.

It is important to note that in parallel with the functions of restoring internal order (often carried out by repressive methods), the army also made a great contribution to social and economic development. She paid attention to the problems of eradicating illiteracy, providing medical care, building roads, various infrastructure facilities, etc. The concept of a civilian mission helped to secure the military’s role as a guarantor of internal security and order, to a certain extent, the guarantor of the Constitution itself, and implied widespread involvement segments of the population.

Over time, the army also became a serious economic force. She owned land and other large real estate, controlled enterprises of the military-industrial complex and the banking sector, collaborated with private businesses in various sectors of the economy. According to various sources, in the hands of the Egyptian military is concentrated from a quarter to a third of the country's GDP.

In the 2011 events of the year in Tunisia and Egypt, the armed forces played the role of arbiter between the conflicting parties. At the same time, it was repeatedly emphasized that the army fulfills the will of the people, since the people and the army are one hand. In Tunisia, the military quickly ensured the transfer of power to a civilian government. In Egypt, after the resignation of Hosni Mubarak, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) also took control of the political process, managing to keep society from complete anarchy and organizing parliamentary and presidential elections, followed by a referendum on the adoption of the new Constitution.

After the victory of the general election of the president from the Islamists Mohammed Mursi, it seemed that the army had gone into the shadows, passing the reins of government to the victorious party. However, the year in power Mursi clearly demonstrated that civilians are not able to solve acute social and economic problems that have become a detonator of protest speeches, and the actions of the president himself only deepened the split of society, prompting a new wave of protest speeches. The military again came to the political arena, having supported the will of the people for the second time, actually carried out a coup d'état and displaced Mursi in 2013 in July.

Will the new Nasser appear?

The next transitional period of the Egyptian society is controlled by an extra-constitutional body - the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, headed by General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. He is already called the new Nasser in view of the rapidly increasing popularity. The new political leader combines the posts of the Minister of Defense and the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces; it is with him that most Egyptians are now pinning their hopes on the establishment of stability and tranquility.

Unlike the first transitional period after the overthrow of Mubarak and taught by his bitter lessons, the military decided to first adopt the Constitution (thus defining the boundaries of the political field), then hold presidential elections, and only then - parliamentary elections. Previously by a judicial decision, the Muslim Brotherhood organization was excluded from the political process, its publications and information channels were closed, and all the speeches that began in support of Mursi were quickly and effectively suppressed. The November law of 2013 also banned demonstrations.

It is interesting in this regard to note that the United States, vigorously demonstrating its attitude to the "military coup in Egypt" by suspending military aid, is considering a draft decision prepared by the congress on defrosting financial assistance in connection with the obvious democratic changes in the country. However, Egypt has already managed to sign military contracts with Russia during the visit of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to Cairo in November 2013.

14 – 15 January this year, a referendum was held in the country, which approved the new Basic Law. With a turnout of 55 percent and a boycott by supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood, 95 percent of registered voters voted for him. The Constitution enshrines a new balance of political forces in the country, that is, the victory of the military over the Islamists, and defined the political, legal and ideological framework for further development.

Unlike the “Islamist” Constitution adopted by Mursi, who “returned the army to the barracks”, the new document devotes a whole section to the army and not only expands its powers, but also makes the military department an autonomous institution, providing an opportunity to influence the internal political situation. The army will now have its own budget, uncontrolled by civil authorities. In accordance with Article 204, military justice is established, administering proceedings exclusively for offenses relating to the armed forces. However, this article suggests that civilians may also be prosecuted if their actions pose a direct threat to "military institutions and their activities, military or border areas, their equipment, arms, ammunition, documentation containing military secrets, military funds, as well as personnel of the armed forces in the performance of their duties. ” It is important to emphasize that military justice may also consider crimes of a corrupt nature. It is obvious that in this form the article can have a very wide legal application in practice.

There is another article that seems extremely important due to the fact that this kind of situation first appears not only in the Basic Law of Egypt, but also in the constitutional law of other Arab countries. We are talking about the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, an unconstitutional structure, which, having carried out a military coup, for some time served as the legislative and executive branch. As you know, in the post-war history of the Arab world, such institutions periodically appeared in different countries and often held power for quite a long time. For example, in Egypt in 1952, in Iraq in 1958 and 1968, in Algeria in 1965, in Yemen in 1962, in Libya in 1969, etc. The practice of creating specific supreme organs command, performing state functions, has survived until recently. As a result of the military coup in Algeria in 1992, the Supreme State Council (HCV) appeared, which was vested with the power granted by the Basic Law to the President of Algeria, and which, due to the dissolution of the National People's Assembly (Parliament), temporarily received the right to issue decrees having the force of law. After the military coup in 1989 in Sudan, the Council of the Command of the Revolution and National Salvation (SKRES) was formed, which self-dissolved only in 1993 after the appointment of the president of the republic. Currently, in most constitutions of the Arab countries there are articles that establish the legal status of the armed forces, but none of them define the status of military institutions that periodically interfere in political life.

The new Egyptian Constitution proclaims that the armed forces have their own High Council, whose activities and powers will be governed by a special law. This means that the structure becomes a constitutional body and in accordance with the law, apparently, will receive certain powers related not only to the armed forces. The military theme is the National Defense and Security Councils, as well as the Ministry of Defense. In accordance with Article 234, the Minister of Defense may be appointed only with the approval of the AFLA during two presidential terms (eight years) from the moment the Constitution enters into force. That is, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces is already taking a real part in domestic policy and state-building. Note that it is the Minister of Defense who is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of Egypt and is appointed from the officer corps. How exactly the role of the AFCR will be spelled out in the law is unclear, at least there are no analogues of such norms in the Arab world.

Whether the new Constitution will be able to solve all the political problems of the country that have accumulated lately and unite society, the future will show. In any case, for the near future, at least eight years, the idea of ​​the legislator is clear - “the rifle gives rise to power”. Now the army will be completely legitimate in power, and constitutional norms in turn will create a legal basis for stabilizing the situation for which the military will be responsible. In this regard, the question of who will be the next president of Egypt, for many is already resolved.
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  1. +8
    5 February 2014 16: 04
    In our country, revolution is not an option, democratic elections, too, but if our military took control of the country, it really saved the country. But the current government knows this, and is afraid. This can explain the landing of Kvachkov, and the release of the ill-fated 400th order, opposing officers to each other.
    1. +2
      5 February 2014 17: 13
      No one will give us deliverance. Not a god, not a king and not a heroic army. We must go to the polls and vote.
      1. -2
        5 February 2014 17: 53
        Quote: muhomor
        You have to go to the polls and vote

        For whom? There is no intelligible alternative, and it is unlikely that it will be - no alternative is created by artificially acting authorities. And who will count the votes?
        1. +1
          5 February 2014 18: 29
          For whom? There is no intelligible alternative, and it is unlikely that it will be - no alternative is created by artificially acting authorities. And who will count the votes?

          So don’t go. And then do not moan that the raguli have chosen the throne of Navalny.
          1. Mih
            +1
            5 February 2014 23: 01
            Better x ... than Bulk.
        2. -3
          5 February 2014 21: 20
          Quote: Ingvar 72



          For whom? There is no intelligible alternative, and it is unlikely that it will be - no alternative is created by artificially acting authorities. And who will count the votes?



          There is always an alternative ---- Medvedev


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          1. Mih
            0
            5 February 2014 22: 45
            What is a bear =?
        3. equity
          +2
          6 February 2014 05: 14
          Ingvar

          Quote: For whom? There is no intelligible alternative, and it is unlikely that it will be - no alternative is created by artificially acting authorities. And who will count the votes?

          There is an alternative, the only counterweight and alternative is Comrade Zyuganov!
      2. 120352
        -1
        5 February 2014 18: 21
        And when to go?
      3. +3
        5 February 2014 18: 42
        Quote: muhomor
        ado go to the polls and vote.


        "In bourgeois countries, it’s important not how they vote, but how they count."

        Stalin.

        Paraphrase of Napoleon II - "it doesn't matter how they vote, but what matters is how they count"
        1. Mih
          -2
          5 February 2014 22: 48
          Stalin's mathematics is not even the last to withstand such a perversion.
      4. s1н7т
        +1
        6 February 2014 00: 22
        Quote: muhomor
        We must go to the polls and vote.

        Absolutely right! I tell you as an expert in this matter.
    2. Volkhov
      0
      5 February 2014 18: 22
      Yes, the authorities remember the lessons of October, therefore they are getting rid of sailors at an amazing pace ... but they bring them to the icon first so that they are not mistaken in paradise.
      1. Mih
        0
        5 February 2014 22: 59
        Sailors are the essence of the substance of the state. Who is in power is a rhetorical question (it’s gone - but he orders the music). I do not want to be trivial, but you should know the statements about who and who is in power, he has one. For please master elementary school.
        1. 120352
          -1
          5 February 2014 23: 11
          As for the substance, please be careful. After all, she, by definition, the cause of herself and no longer needs anything. Everything that exists is such by virtue of the presence of substance. Therefore, you say that sailors are the cause of the state?
          1. Mih
            0
            5 February 2014 23: 30
            In this world, the essence of which is perishable, do not bother with things that are not essential captive. Consider only the omnipresent spirit, alien to all material changes, as existing in the world.
            And the sailors always have no questions - the substance is self-sufficient. (The spirit released from the bottle, strive for it)
    3. 0
      5 February 2014 18: 40
      The NKVD officers were taught the army before the war. This is for a long time.
      1. Mih
        -1
        5 February 2014 23: 04
        It can be seen that the NKVD didn’t finish it, but in vain. The matter must be brought to an end.
    4. +1
      5 February 2014 18: 48
      Quote: Author Marina Sapronova
      Egypt chose the military, not the Islamists


      Ukraine should take a closer look at experience. Or the military or the Maidan.
      1. Volkhov
        0
        5 February 2014 18: 55
        Isn't the military behind the Maidan? Lviv, after all, is the center of the Carpathian Military District of the USSR and local contractors.
        This is the main problem of PR and EP.
        1. Mih
          0
          5 February 2014 23: 17
          I served in the Carpathian Military District of the USSR and what? I saw no more infection anywhere. All officers are complete.
    5. s1н7т
      0
      6 February 2014 00: 20
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Now, if our military

      Are you like Shoigu, or what ?! laughing
    6. s1н7т
      0
      6 February 2014 00: 20
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Now, if our military

      Are you like Shoigu, or what ?! laughing
  2. Arh
    -1
    5 February 2014 16: 36
    This is already a better secular state. There were no muslims there before! ! ! )))
    1. 120352
      +1
      5 February 2014 18: 23
      And in Angola in November 2013 generally outlawed Islam, as in Japan or Australia.
      1. Arh
        +1
        5 February 2014 20: 37
        It is also banned in Tibet, in Bhutan! ! ! * * *
      2. 0
        5 February 2014 20: 59
        Quote: 120352
        And in Angola in November 2013 generally outlawed Islam, as in Japan or Australia.

        Angola only


        Mosque in Tokyo


        A mosque in the suburbs of Sydney
        1. 120352
          0
          5 February 2014 23: 21
          There are no mosques in Japan. Do not try. The Arabic language is forbidden and not studied there, if upon examination, upon arrival in Japan, the Koran is found in your things, you will be sent immediately. The propaganda of Islam entails a long prison term. Read Yashiko Sagamori. And Australia may not have been demolished so far, but the Prime Minister has clearly stated that everyone who wants to celebrate the Islamic cult can do this after returning to their home. Australia is a Christian country.
          1. +1
            6 February 2014 00: 31
            Quote: 120352
            There are no mosques in Japan. Do not try.

            Google banned you? laughing


            Tokyo Mosque (東京 モ ス ク), a printing house and an Islamic school under it were opened on 12 on May 1938 of the year, on the day of Mawlid al-Nabi by the Mahalla community and Islam, consisting of Bashkir and Tatar emigrants, active participants in the white movement, who arrived in Japan after the defeat of Kolchak in the Civil War. The mosque, printing house and Islamic school were built on the personal savings of Bashkir ishan Mohammed-Gabdulkhai Kurbangaliev, the first Mufti of Japan, and a donation from the small Muslim community of Tokyo. It was built in the Yoyogi quarter of Shibuya. The mosque was opened by well-known Japanese politicians and senior military leaders (Admiral Ogasawara Naganari, founder of the ultranationalist society "Genyos" Toyama Mitsuru and others).
            In 1986, the Tokyo mosque, due to the emergency condition of the building, was destroyed after an earthquake. In the 1998 year, with the support of the Turkish government, the construction of a new mosque began, completed in the 2000 year. The cost of work amounted to 1,5 million yen. The project was prepared by architect Muharrem Hilmi Senalp. The building itself is made in the style of the Ottoman religious tradition. The consecration of the mosque took place on June 30 of the year 2000, with the Turkish Ambassador to Japan, Yaman Bashkut speaking, and members of the Turkish government present.
      3. +3
        5 February 2014 22: 38
        Quote: 120352
        Islam has been outlawed, as in Japan or Australia.


        Why are you lying? It’s like an adult, and almost every phrase is based on lies. Was the submarine commanded like that too?
        1. 120352
          -1
          5 February 2014 23: 26
          Lying is not peculiar to a Christian. Before objecting so sharply, understand the essence of the issue, as they say, with a cold head. There are enough materials on the Internet. And in Japan, and in Australia, and in Angola and other less significant countries.
          1. +1
            5 February 2014 23: 45
            If Islam is forbidden in Japan, then mosques cannot function there. These are 2x2 = 4.To understand this, you do not need to be an academician, but just reason with logic. In your comments, I look for this logic in the afternoon with lanterns. If Islam is disgusting to you, take it and just shut up.
          2. Mih
            +1
            6 February 2014 00: 01
            Martin Luther King is a Christian. Cassius Clay - Muslim. The latter professes black racism. So much for tolerance.
            I don’t know who is lying more - muslim or 120352.
            When, in the name of Allah, civilians are killed - is it true for Muslims or the lies of Christians? 11 of September - is this the truth of the prophet?
            1. +1
              6 February 2014 00: 45
              Quote: Mih
              Martin Luther King is a Christian. Cassius Clay - Muslim. The latter professes black racism. So much for tolerance.
              I don’t know who is lying more - muslim or 120352.
              When, in the name of Allah, civilians are killed - is it true for Muslims or the lies of Christians? 11 of September - is this the truth of the prophet?
          3. 0
            6 February 2014 00: 41
            Quote: 120352
            A lie is not peculiar to a Christian ...

        2. 120352
          -3
          5 February 2014 23: 34
          1. A Muslim will never receive citizenship in Japan. Japan is the only country that does not grant Muslims citizenship. It’s impossible to argue. Law is law.
          2. Muslims do not have the right to stay in Japan for a long time.
          3. Attempting to spread Islam is a criminal offense. You can go to jail for this for a long time.
          4. There are no schools in Japan that teach Arabic.
          5. The Koran is a forbidden book. You cannot import it. Only an "adapted" Japanese version is available.
          6. Ritual observance is permitted only in enclosed spaces. If ordinary Japanese see the rituals, the Muslim faces a prison.
          7. Speaking in Arabic is strictly prohibited.
          8. Japan has virtually no embassies in the Arab countries.
          9. Islam in Japan professes 0.00% of the Japanese.
          10. A Muslim who has come to work in Japan has the right to work ONLY in a foreign company. Those. Japanese companies do not recruit people professing Islam.
          11. Visas to Japan give Muslims very rarely. Even famous doctors, scientists professing Islam can not get a visa to Japan.
          12. Employment contracts often state that an employer has the right to dismiss an employee without explanation if he finds out about his Islamic faith
          13. Muslims are forbidden to rent houses in Japan, not to mention the purchase of property.
          14. Non-Japanese companies are translating technical documentation from Japanese to Arab customers
          15. Muslims are treated as outcasts. If someone in the area is a Muslim, the whole district will treat him as a criminal.
          16. The opening of Islamic schools is out of the question.
          17. Japan does not accept Sharia law.
          18. A Japanese woman convicted in connection with a Muslim becomes an outcast of society.
          This is actually a quote. You can easily find it if you want.
          1. +1
            5 February 2014 23: 41
            Take and search the Internet for links "Islam in Japan". Stop writing what you want to be.
            1. 120352
              -1
              6 February 2014 00: 49
              It was in this section that I discovered this article.
          2. smersh70
            0
            5 February 2014 23: 47
            Quote: 120352
            18. A Japanese woman convicted in connection with a Muslim becomes an outcast of society.
            This is actually a quote. You can easily find it if you want.

            You again laid out your April 18 theses. YOU have already answered this a month ago. Lies, what you wrote. Right now I'll give my nephew's phone number, he lived there a year ... he will tell you that what you wrote is a LIRE.
            1. 120352
              +1
              6 February 2014 00: 52
              I myself am there from time to time. I teach the Japanese something. Including, it is not necessary to disturb the nephew. And the authorship of these theses is not mine. I cited them, (I didn’t write, but copied them) as a quote, which I immediately notified.
        3. Mih
          0
          5 February 2014 23: 36
          Lonely on a submarine is fantastic. You should be in the pampas, sir.
          1. +2
            5 February 2014 23: 43
            Give the pampas to 120352. This "Islamist" announced here to everyone that he was a retired captain of the 1st rank and commanded a submarine. If this is not true, then I already don’t know what to say to him)))
            1. 120352
              -1
              6 February 2014 00: 54
              I'm not going to prove anything to you. And pampas are not my element.
  3. predator.3
    +5
    5 February 2014 17: 07
    After the victory in the general presidential election from the Islamists, Mohammed Mursi, it seemed that the army had gone into the shadows, passing the reins of government of the victorious party.


    Then the comrades field marshals looked around what was happening in other Arab countries and what Comrade Mursi was doing, scratched their turnips and decided to play everything back, Mursi went to zindan, and the Muslim brothers were outlawed, and everything returned to normal!
    1. +1
      5 February 2014 18: 55
      Shogun however
      1. +1
        5 February 2014 21: 09
        Quote: cumastra1
        Shogun however

        And the people love him in the majority.
    2. 0
      5 February 2014 18: 55
      Shogun however
  4. -4
    5 February 2014 17: 10
    In general, the army has other tasks; the army is an instrument in the hands of the state. An instrument for the solution of foreign policy problems by force, while the creation of a state and its development should be dealt with by the population-people. In no case should the army get involved in politics and create some kind of Soviets to govern the country. These Soviets will be divorced from the people, slide into secrecy, and the result will be an army "cast iron" throughout the country.
    1. +2
      5 February 2014 18: 04
      As far as I know, in the Arab countries it is in the army that the most educated people (Avgan do not count) hence the ability to make decisions. This is me about the fact that a person without education can not cope with modern technology, and they simply will not let a half-dick. Even in "Enlightened Europe" for centuries, officers were the backbone of society, and soldiers were the link with the people.
      1. 120352
        0
        5 February 2014 18: 26
        In Afghanistan, not Arabs, but Pashtuns, Uzbeks and other Muslims. Arabs are cowards. Afghans are warriors. What is true is that the military in Egypt is the most educated part of the population. because besides the Qur'an, she studied other disciplines.
    2. 120352
      -2
      5 February 2014 18: 24
      But Pinochet managed to solve a lot of problems in Chile. Although a general.
      1. Mih
        0
        6 February 2014 00: 08
        We taught Chile. Our generals are the smartest, by definition.
        1. 120352
          0
          6 February 2014 00: 55
          Apparently, you are more fortunate with the generals than me with the admirals.
  5. +7
    5 February 2014 17: 19
    The army in no case should go into politics and create some kind of Council for the leadership of the country.

    If the army does not climb into the politics of the country, then "effective managers" and all kinds of revolutionaries go there.
    it ends with the army having to shed their sins in their own skin.
  6. +1
    5 February 2014 17: 24
    The people and the army are one! It always has been, but there are provisions (separate) in their Constitution, especially if they can be used to put oligarchs and radicals in their place when justice and the police do not want to or are afraid to do so, for example, for damage to the country's defense, not introducing new ones into production defense or dual-use technologies, if any, for attempts to put pressure on authorities and management.
  7. +2
    5 February 2014 17: 31
    In the Arab countries and in the countries of the "third world" the army represents the most educated and progressive part of the population, therefore its direct participation in governing the state is quite understandable and permissible until a certain stage of development. , to Russia, as suggested by some hi
  8. dmitrij.blyuz
    +3
    5 February 2014 17: 34
    Egypt chose. Cattle will not be there already. Our Foreign Ministry does not eat snot. Egypt will buy our weapons, will attract our specialists, in fact, it will be ours.
    1. +3
      5 February 2014 18: 16
      I would very much not mouth on an Egyptian loaf.
      Let us recall how they turned away from the USSR towards the United States.
      1. 120352
        -1
        5 February 2014 18: 29
        Whoever gave more turned to that.
  9. 0
    5 February 2014 17: 54
    Good article. Thank.
  10. +2
    5 February 2014 18: 14
    I wonder why in Ukraine the army will not take power and will not eliminate all this chaos. It's high time already.
    1. 120352
      -1
      5 February 2014 18: 30
      But in Ukraine there is no army. There is nothing to pay the military with, it really hurts someone to put the whole budget in their pocket, and then the military ...
    2. 0
      5 February 2014 20: 20
      Quote: Megatron
      I wonder why in Ukraine the army will not take power and will not eliminate all this chaos. It's high time already.

      Moreover, certain prerequisites, conditions, people ...
      Well, something like:
      - the opposition of the army and power,
      -the presence of a strong, self-thought "top" or ... a very hungry "grassroots" officers
      -high degree of coordination during a coup from the bottom;
      -Do the military support the civilian population ....

      This is, in my opinion, the main thing. And to all questions, the answer is no.
    3. 0
      6 February 2014 05: 26
      Does Ukraine have an army?
  11. +2
    5 February 2014 19: 09
    Stinger. Quote:


    "The NKVD army was taught before the war."

    Thanks for your thought! Now it’s clear why we again needed the military police.
    1. Mih
      0
      5 February 2014 23: 41
      Well, finally it dawned on you (like a giraffe from Vysotsky)
  12. 0
    5 February 2014 20: 46
    The main thing is that educated patriots should be in power and not gulp-demagogues who can easily be led to foreign ideas, like savages to shiny beads.
    When a state is dominated by a patriotic government, it usually exists for the people. And if temporary workers are in power who have no time for the people, they serve the one who pays the most. Therefore, it is important - which army? - the flag is in her hands, and if this is an army for the sake of an army, then these are "domestic" invaders. If such an army takes power, it is the junta.
  13. 0
    5 February 2014 20: 59
    In the camps of the Middle East, a special role of the army is a very ancient tradition. Dailemites in Iran, Mamluks in Egypt, Janissaries in the Ottoman Empire. Sooner or later, these military estates came to power. History repeats itself ...
  14. s1н7т
    0
    6 February 2014 00: 19
    Amused - with a turnout of 55%, 95% of registered voters voted for the Basic Law. laughing
    If only the Turkish army would be so excited as the Ebibans, peace would reign in the Middle East.
  15. 0
    6 February 2014 02: 27
    "Strong arm of the army. Egypt chose the military, not the Islamists"
    I would be more pleased with the headline "Strong arm of the army. Ukraine has chosen the military, not the Banderaites."
    1. 0
      6 February 2014 05: 30
      There, the 50/50 army fluctuates back and forth.
      Remember our army under Tsar Boris.
      What could be taken from her?
      And for a long time it will have to be restored.

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