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Is Uzbekistan a new Central Asian springboard for America?

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Is Uzbekistan a new Central Asian springboard for America?



The withdrawal of US troops and other NATO countries from Afghanistan will be carried out through the territories of the states of Central Asia. In particular, Uzbekistan will become a transit point on the way home - a country with a strong Islamist underground. However, despite the threats from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, the White House was quick to make Tashkent its strategic ally. Will Washington fall into another trap? Will he face a second Afghanistan? And in general - why does he need such an ally as Uzbekistan?

Illusory Reduction of Military Power

At first glance, it would seem that after the withdrawal of the NATO contingent from Afghanistan, the US military power in Central Asia will seriously decline. These expectations are reinforced by the intention of the Kyrgyz authorities to close the military base of Manas, owned by the States. However, the White House at the same time seeks to enlist the support of many governments of the Central Asian republics, including Uzbekistan.

It seems that Americans are leaving unstable Kyrgyzstan. Indeed, Manas was only needed to service the occupying forces in Afghanistan. When the war is over, it does not make sense to maintain a military base located in the danger zone: in Kyrgyzstan, another uprising can start at any time, and then the US military will be isolated or fired. In such circumstances, Washington would like to get a more stable ally, for example, Uzbekistan, where for years there has been a fairly strong regime, not inclined to compromise and able to protect itself from the Islamic and secular opposition.

Flirting with Uzbekistan may be the first step towards opening a new American base in Central Asia. This base will be an analogue of the airfield in Manas if it is closed to the military aviation States. According to the Information and Analytical Center for Public Processes in the former Soviet Union, the United States will try to create several military bases in Uzbekistan at once, with the intention of staying in the republic for as long as possible.

The fact that the USA has excluded this country from the list of dangerous states testifies to the preparation for the introduction of American troops into Uzbekistan. By law, in countries with a high level of danger, United States military personnel should receive an additional fee. It turns out that if a network of US military bases is established in Uzbekistan, the White House will save money on employees' salaries, since Uzbekistan is now officially considered a peaceful and safe country. We will not discuss whether these statements correspond to reality: it is known that the financing of military operations abroad is devastating the American treasury, and any honest and dishonest methods are suitable for reducing expenses.

Uzbek "third way"

Excluding Uzbekistan from the list of dangerous countries has another goal: to cuddle up with Tashkent. Of course, having approved the policy of the leadership of the republic, it is impossible to achieve the mutual position of its ruling elite. However, the United States will not be limited to small compliments: the recognition of Uzbekistan as a stable and secure state is only one of many steps to bring countries closer together.

The gap between Washington and Tashkent occurred in 2005, when riots broke out in Andijan. Then the US condemned the actions of the Uzbek authorities, who used weapon to suppress the Islamists. According to the West, Tashkent was too indiscriminate in the use of force, and civilians were injured along with militants. In turn, Uzbekistan considered such statements interference in internal affairs, and laid siege to Western diplomats. Over the next few years, relations between the United States and Uzbekistan remained, to put it mildly, cold: Islam Karimov was placed on a par with Middle Eastern rulers unpleasant to the West, and Uzbekistan was nearly equated with Syria, Iran and North Korea.

Islam Karimov himself and the ruling elite of Uzbekistan declare that their country adheres to neutrality. And in fact: after 2005, Tashkent did not rush into the arms of Moscow, but remained in splendid isolation. After leaving the CSTO, Uzbekistan implements a very complex multi-vector foreign policy, diversifying risks and trying not to become too attached to its partners. According to political analyst Alexei Vlasov, despite Washington’s latest attempts to bribe Tashkent with courtesy, Uzbekistan has not yet made its choice, and willingly cooperates with both the United States and Russia.

However, the United States just started their flirting. Now America is preparing the ground for settling in Uzbekistan. Thus, from abroad in the country comes humanitarian aid, non-governmental funds are engaged in financing Uzbek political organizations. As is known, such activity is a sure sign that the States are interested in something: free cheese is only in a mousetrap, and you have to pay for investments.

Is war coming?

But what is the interest of the United States? The answer is obvious: after the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and the closure of the military base in Kyrgyzstan, the United States would like to leave its military bases in Central Asia. Of all the Central Asian republics, only Uzbekistan is more or less suited to the role of a military ally of the States. Tajikistan is weak and constantly on the brink of civil war, Kyrgyzstan is heading for the abyss, Kazakhstan is an ally of Russia, and Turkmenistan has unequivocally declared that it is neutral and will not tolerate anybody’s bases on its territory - neither Russian nor American. Only Uzbekistan remains, although things are bad there: not only is the country on the verge of war with Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan due to problems in the Fergana Valley, so can the militants of the IMU still descend from Afghanistan. The Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan took an active part in the Afghan war, and has a rich combat experience.

However, Islam Karimov managed to build a fairly reliable vertical of power that could withstand internal challenges. And Tashkent hopes to defend itself against the war with Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan with the participation of the Americans. Yes, yes, Islam Karimov, in anticipation of a big war in the Fergana Valley, is not averse to enlist the support of the States. True, if he allows the American military into the territory of Uzbekistan, he will become dependent on Washington. Apparently, Islam Karimov is now facing a choice: to become a vassal of the United States, automatically defending himself against neighbors, or leaving Uzbekistan independent, but unable to resist the IMU, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

In the current situation, Russia can resist America in only one way: to offer Uzbekistan more advantageous conditions for military cooperation. However, what we will do with the military base located somewhere in the Uzbek sands is unknown. Uzbekistan’s neighbors may become embittered at us, because they will believe that this base is directed against them.

But where it would be more reasonable to conclude several contracts with Uzbekistan in the field of military cooperation, relating, for example, to equipping the army with modern types of weapons. New economic agreements will also help. It is important that Islam Karimov feel protected and know that if the war breaks out in the Fergana Valley, Uzbekistan will find itself in an advantageous position. That is why Moscow must guarantee Tashkent that it will not oppose it and will not support its opponents, and will also do everything possible to preserve the status quo. Then Islam Karimov will not need to seek support somewhere abroad, inviting to his country the military from the United States or other countries hostile to us.
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  1. Lindon
    Lindon 4 February 2014 07: 48
    +38
    The author probably did not look at "White Sun" and did not go further than Voronezh. All information can be found even on the Internet.
    What NGOs in Uzbekistan that receive assistance from the United States are we talking about? Peace Corps? He and all the others were closed right after Andijan. The US and the West have no leverage at all in the form of NGOs. Tashkent easily survived its isolation after Andijan and knows the price of "US friendship" very well. Karimov set up the US base in contrast to Bishkek in 24 hours. This is a tough man - you cannot intimidate him, he rules with a firm hand - there is not like the Maidan, there the tails of the Islamists were pinched. The United States was badly burned there - they understand very well Karimov will expose them again in 24 hours.
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 4 February 2014 08: 40
      +8
      Quote: Lindon
      This is a tough man - you won’t scare him, he rules with a firm hand - it’s not like the Maidan, the Islamists got their tails pinched there.

      I agree. In addition, regarding the threat of the Afghan-Afghan-Uzbek barrier, that is, the border between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan is the most powerful and guarded border in the world after the sowing border. and south korea.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 4 February 2014 09: 03
        +7
        Quote: bazilio
        is the most powerful and guarded border in the world after the border of sowing. and south korea.

        As Uncle Fedor said: I am ready to listen to you my entire biography.
        For all traffic, the "genes" are responsible for Tajiks and Turkmen, right?
        Withdrawal of US troops and other NATO countries from Afghanistan
        the author writes with big errors, which then corrects further in the text.
        Enter NATO troops and private armies in the territory of Central Asia will be carried out from Afghanistan.
        So right and logical.
        And how the Central Asian republics will resist the spread of the NATO hydra is not a question of their independence, but to Moscow.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 4 February 2014 09: 33
          +1
          The article contradicts itself
          The author discusses the upcoming war of Uzbekistan with Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan
          And Tashkent hopes to defend itself against the war with Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan with the participation of Americans


          Although he writes in a few paragraphs above that these countries are not something to fight, they cannot even defend themselves, while others do not care about the Uzbeks.
          Tajikistan is weak and constantly on the brink of civil war, Kyrgyzstan is heading for the abyss, Kazakhstan is an ally of Russia, and Turkmenistan has explicitly stated that it is neutral and will not tolerate anyone’s bases on its territory - neither Russian nor American.


          That as a whole, Central Asia or Uzbekistan separately can also be a springboard, but here the Americans have less and less strength to jump from year to year, and now a month. And where to jump ???? To Kazakhstan?
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 4 February 2014 10: 12
            +3
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            but here is the strength for jumping from the Americans every year, and now a month, less and less

            You look, listen, read less about this named and beloved word of PR specialists from different regional committees - CRISIS.
            Many novelties of the military-industrial complex of the mattress and their satellites are being discussed here, especially "waffles" fu-35, sumvolt and so on. And the topics of private armies, their financing and from what cadres they are formed were repeatedly discussed.
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            And where to jump ???? To Kazakhstan?

            Excessively exaggerated significance in the final games of world players.
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 4 February 2014 11: 25
              +1
              Quote: Papakiko
              You look, listen, read less about this named and beloved word of PR specialists from different regional committees - CRISIS.


              Honestly, I didn’t understand your message. But the tendency to a big furry animal can be traced quite clearly.

              More recently, Obama transferred the Americans' pension savings to the GKO Fed ... this is not our pension reform ...
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 4 February 2014 12: 00
                +2
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                More recently, Obama transferred the Americans' pension savings to the GKO Fed ... this is not our pension reform ...

                His ram, as they want and so they cut it.
                And half of pension savings is converted into shares of companies in which pensioners worked or are working.
                The American pension system is not our reform either.
                Remember French and attribute here.
                To wipe the pink glasses, go to the nearest banking exchanger and see what is happening with the exchange rate.
                And I hope the "xy from it" will become clearer. hi
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                But the tendency to a big furry animal can be traced quite clearly.

                Are you trying to descend like this or go straight to rudeness?
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                Honestly, I didn’t understand your message.

                It is a pity.
                The thief shouts loudest: “Catch the thief!”
                А crisis- from the ancient Greek krinein - to separate, disassemble, judge, separate, decide, cleanse.
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 4 February 2014 12: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  from ancient Greek krinein - to separate, disassemble, judge, separate, decide, cleanse.

                  And it is without words that you need to cast in gold and to heaven:
                  Listen to this!
                  After all, if the stars are lit -
                  means - it is necessary for someone?
                  So - someone wants them to be?
                  So - someone calls these spit
                  a pearl?
                  And, tearing up
                  in the snowstorms of midday dust,
                  breaks into God,
                  afraid that he was late,
                  crying,
                  kisses his sinewy hand,
                  asks -
                  that there must have been a star! -
                  swears -
                  will not suffer this starless flour!
                  And then
                  walks alarming,
                  but quiet outside.
                  He says to someone:
                  "After all, now you have nothing?
                  Not scary?
                  Yes?!"
                  Listen to this!
                  After all, if the stars
                  light -
                  means - it is necessary for someone?
                  Hence - it is necessary,
                  every evening
                  over roofs
                  at least one star caught fire ?!


                  Everything that happens in nature (tsunamis, floods, etc.) is a natural disaster, this is force majeure, it is an action of force majeure.
                  And everything else is man-made.
              2. Yura
                Yura 4 February 2014 17: 36
                0
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                More recently, Obama transferred the Americans' retirement savings to the GKO Fed ...

                That is, it turns out that the US government borrowed the pension savings of its citizens at interest rates, thereby guaranteeing their safety, and on the other hand, in the event of default, in one fell swoop all pensioners can (though not necessarily) lose the only livelihoods? Actually very interesting. Do I understand this action correctly, at least at the everyday level?
            2. Wellych
              Wellych 4 February 2014 22: 48
              +1
              Quote: Papakiko
              You look, listen, read less about this named and beloved word of PR specialists from different regional committees - CRISIS.

              PR managers can not listen, and you can look at the numbers. Government debt there, the trend of the share of dollars in international trade, the cost of military development, the rate of decline in the industrial sector. You can also rummage the percentage of Americans who approve of endless wars, when you have to work a month to heal a tooth.
            3. philip
              philip 5 February 2014 06: 32
              0
              However, one can expect any nastiness from sasha and nasha. In my opinion, such a scenario. I would not want him.
          2. KG_patriot_last
            KG_patriot_last 4 February 2014 10: 13
            +1
            Despaired in full Bishkek and Dushanbe in the article.
            But the base on Kyrgyz land is being withdrawn, not because not stability, but in connection with obligations to the allies.
            The war with Bishkek will destroy a country such as Uzbekistan, which as a unitary state, there is very little time.
            1. The gentleman
              The gentleman 4 February 2014 10: 46
              +13
              Quote: KG_patriot_last
              Despaired in full Bishkek and Dushanbe in the article.
              But the base on Kyrgyz land is being withdrawn, not because not stability, but in connection with obligations to the allies.
              The war with Bishkek will destroy a country such as Uzbekistan, which as a unitary state, there is very little time.

              I will not argue that Kyrgyzstan will destroy Uzbekistan, but I would ask you to monitor what you write
              1. KG_patriot_last
                KG_patriot_last 4 February 2014 11: 04
                0
                I think it would be nice to read normally first, before drawing conclusions about what I wrote. This is also a request.
            2. bazilio
              bazilio 4 February 2014 10: 54
              +3
              Quote: KG_patriot_last
              The war with Bishkek will destroy a country such as Uzbekistan, which as a unitary state, there is very little time.

              Oh well. The Republic of Kyrgyzstan as a unitary state exists much longer than Uzbekistan?
              Where is Tashkent to Bishkek there))) But what is Tashkent, Beijing, Moscow and Washington worth trembling with Bishkek
              1. KG_patriot_last
                KG_patriot_last 4 February 2014 11: 09
                0
                It seems that I did not compare 2 countries and, moreover, did not contrast our country with the whole world. You have found a good reception for earning pluses)))
                1. The gentleman
                  The gentleman 4 February 2014 11: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: KG_patriot_last
                  It seems that I did not compare 2 countries and, moreover, did not contrast our country with the whole world. You have found a good reception for earning pluses)))

                  pluses ??? apparently they are important to you, once voiced. But to say that the war with Bishkek will destroy Uzbekistan, I think it’s wrong. First of all, due to the fact that to date there is no stability in the development of the state. The clan system is strong, and the fact that the Russian Federation began to support you does not mean that Uzbekistan will somehow become worse. There are other levers of pressure.
                  secondly, two states, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, are currently playing the water situation. But in this region this cannot be done, because in Central Asia it is very mixed and related relations can play a cruel joke with your leadership.
                  and lastly, why do you motivate and what are the main aspects in your message regarding the destruction of Uzbekistan?
                  1. KG_patriot_last
                    KG_patriot_last 4 February 2014 11: 35
                    +2
                    I do not want to argue about water, sitting on gas oil is easy to judge, we will not understand each other.

                    If there were no events in Andijan, I would agree with you, BUT power is one thing, people are different in Asia. I’m not talking about the disappearance of the people of course, but about the state system and possibly territorial integrity.

                    - a significant number of people in neighboring states, especially in Afghanistan, which can be mobilized against or for.
                    - Islamic and secular factors
                    - economic factors
                    - heterogeneity of the population

                    generally common factors in any country in the world to destabilize and weaken the central government and their vision of the country
                    1. de_monSher
                      de_monSher 4 February 2014 16: 35
                      +2
                      The war with Bishkek will destroy a country such as Uzbekistan, which as a unitary state, there is very little time.


                      Ghee ... curious. And why should Uzbekistan be afraid to fight with Kyrgyzstan? No, you can, of course, on the emotions of "Kirgiz, such and such - hit them and cut them!". Only here nifiga? If some part of the Kirghiz people - God forbid, not more, of course - has a mind on one side, and they can only talk about war, wherever it is, and be that as it may - then this, in general, is the problem of Kyrgyzstan itself. Considering the economic, political, military, infrastructural weakness of Kyrgyzstan = one can even say - retrograde, even - failure, since the achievements of the USSR, in this country, have been safely destroyed, sold out, and even now they are trying to achieve permanent revolutions =, reasoning about war, in the mouth of anyone Kirghiz, look like the reasoning of a mouse about the baobabs it gnawed - if Kirgiz is "sane", and if he is insane, then we can rather talk about the reasoning of street punks about "world domination" ...

                      Look something like this ...

                      PS: Where did you get the idea that Uzbekistan, getting involved in the war with Kyrgyzstan, will fall apart for no reason at all? Do you at least give a basis for your words - "Having started a war with Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan will fall apart for the following reasons. Item number 1 ... blah blah blah ... Item number 2 ... blah blah blah", etc. ... And just explain to me, please, economic, political, strategic, etc. benefits in the conquest of Kyrgyzstan by Uzbekistan - for Uzbekistan? Just don't talk about minerals - in Uzbekistan they are already in bulk. And about labor resources too - in Kyrgyzstan they are of very "low quality".
                      1. Urus
                        Urus 4 February 2014 20: 05
                        +1
                        _aka-learn history ... :::; Kokand khans were, KIRGIZIS from the MIDDLE WING !!! don’t know ??! if Th-Uzbeks are piled-in the area of ​​the Chinese border
                      2. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 5 February 2014 00: 23
                        +1
                        if Che-Uzbeks-piled-in the area of ​​the Chinese border


                        Golden words ... something like - "There were 5 of us 25, they fought until they were equal, we would give them - if they caught up with us" ... at the Chinese border ... *)

                        They themselves understood what they said, dear? *)
                      3. Urus
                        Urus 5 February 2014 02: 44
                        +1
                        _ok. Directly, in the open. Uzbeks-Mingi-Kokandans-had whatever they wanted — and they didn’t bother — the left wing or the right / Kyrgyz-understand / .. one unimportant morning, from the hangover of Kokand, I decided / I decided to, a Kyrgyz question! once and for all !! I got it., though, all this lads, I’ll arrange little ones for them, -genacyte / One problem, well, NO DESIRE-BY THE ROCKS .. dear Sher, I thought you would understand! if only the white Tsar "I didn’t besiege it, there was less than one people! 100pr-Kyrgyz-captured all of Asia and China-campaign !! so it will work ?! I am in Samarkand.
                      4. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 5 February 2014 03: 01
                        0
                        Samarkand I.


                        Yes, I understood everything - but at first I wrote a post, and then I just realized that what you wrote was just banter over "Great Kyrgyz exclusivity" .. *)

                        Sorry already ... *)
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      3. Turkestan
        Turkestan 4 February 2014 11: 52
        0
        In fact, after the recent Osh events, the endurance of the leaders of the Uzbek state saved the split and the existence of Kyrgyzstan as a state after the recent Osh events. They could have put things in order in the Uzbek ANKLAVA without any labor.
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 4 February 2014 16: 20
          +5
          Quote: Turkestan
          In fact, after the recent Osh events, the endurance of the leaders of the Uzbek state saved the split and the existence of Kyrgyzstan as a state after the recent Osh events. They could have put things in order in the Uzbek ANKLAVA without any labor.
          Surprised, just the same exposure of I. Karimov, when the Kirghiz smashed the Uzbek enclaves ..
          Quote: KG_patriot_last
          The war with Bishkek will destroy a country such as Uzbekistan, which as a unitary state, there is very little time.
          Apparently, KG_patriot, suggests that a possible conflict could serve catalyst internal contradictions and social. discontent.
          Example: the Russian-Japanese warrior led to the 1905 / 06 revolution.
          The Assyrian Empire, the impetus for the fall of which was the invasion of nomads.
          P.S. I am not going to breed "Srach", so here are the impossible scenarios.
          1. Natalia777
            Natalia777 21 March 2018 06: 30
            0
            What kind of war are you talking about in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan? About starry or what? President Sh.M. Mirziyaev has long traveled to Kyrgyzstan and established relations. Read the newspapers.
  2. de_monSher
    de_monSher 4 February 2014 12: 05
    +7
    The introduction of NATO forces and private armies in Central Asia


    Such a loud proclamation that even if you stand still, fall straight. The same can be said that "NATO troops will enter Russia through Ulyanovsk." And I could raise a universal cry about this = How so! Homeland of Lenin. The place where the proletarians of all countries have united. And here you are - a NATO base, etc. etc =. But I will not do this, since it is stupid. My speculations would be as silly as yours. The difference is that I did not express them, you express them ... *)

    Look something like this ...
  3. Natalia777
    Natalia777 21 March 2018 06: 43
    0
    Uzbekistan coped with radical Islam, and coped with drugs. With external threats such as NATO and the US “friendship”, I hope to continue following Karimov’s policy on this issue.
  • Turkestan
    Turkestan 4 February 2014 11: 42
    0
    the border of Uzbekistan with Afghanistan is the most powerful and guarded border in the world after the border of sowing. and south korea

    Yes, from a military point of view, it is quite difficult to pass this section, it is. But Uzbekistan has actually opened a border with Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, in which the external borders resemble a colander. And in fact, all Central Asian republics with external borders are extremely vulnerable to external attacks.
  • Don
    Don 4 February 2014 14: 56
    +2
    Quote: bazilio
    In addition, regarding the threat of the Afghan-Afghan-Uzbek barrier, that is, the border between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan is the most powerful and guarded border in the world after the sowing border. and south korea.

    I agree. Moreover, if you really see what the Taliban and other Islamists can do? Trying to invade Uzbekistan? This is not real. I think a lot of attention is paid to the so-called Afghan threat and they are trying to inflate an elephant from a fly.
    1. Natalia777
      Natalia777 21 March 2018 06: 25
      0
      Not really yours. Threats from ISIS from Afghan territory are real. And only the united real defense of Uzbekistan + Tajikistan + Russia stops ISIS, which, by order of the United States, appeared near the borders.
  • Natalia777
    Natalia777 21 March 2018 06: 21
    0
    I agree that the border is well guarded. But the risk of an ISIS attack led by the United States remains, and other provocations like the US border on Uzbekistan’s border in Osh can suit.
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  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 4 February 2014 12: 14
    +1
    Quote: Lindon
    US and West no leverage at all

    They always have leverage. Through stolen and withdrawn. Through corruption. Through family members "exploring" the west. The situation in Ukraine now, for example, is entirely regulated by such methods. They just pull the strings, and the puppets themselves worry that God forbid the strings are not torn.
  • Urus
    Urus 4 February 2014 19: 51
    0
    _rahmat-aka ... provocation-not analysis
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 5 February 2014 00: 34
      +2
      Another escalation of passions. Why does Karimov need this base? They already seemed to be fired with flirting with the West. And then, as he chopped.
      Karimov once spoke in Astana about water in the SA and what could come to war. All long scratched turnips. But the Osh events showed that it’s not going to fight, but there was a reason. Generally speaking, Karimov is a mystery politician to me. In terms of the question, what future does he see for Uzbekistan? It is self-insulated, does not come to summits, it doesn’t have much contact with its neighbors, it mined its borders. This is not what we expect from Uzbekistan. We could invest, the Russian Federation would not stand aside either. Investments would give new jobs. The republic is rich in natural resources, and this is a push for initial investment. But Karimov does not see Uzbekistan in the vehicle. I would love to. Uzbekistan is the core of the CA, but Karimov does not use it. Why? Unclear . We neighbors cannot influence his chair, and no one will.
      The threat of a military invasion from Afghanistan is from the realm of fantasy. There are only some terrorist attacks or sorties, because the population will not have support from the radicals. And then we need "sponsors" in the form of the West, Saud. Ar. or Qatar.
      The West, judging by the State Department's statements regarding the creation of the Customs Union, is more interested in tearing Kazakhstan away from Tam. Union. Therefore, it is more important for them to have distabilization close to Russia and China, with their ally in the SCO, CSTO, etc. In Uzbekistan, everything is more severe, Karimov has dispersed all kinds of NGOs and independent press. It's easier in Kazakhstan. NAS, as a big fan of conferences, "important" international gatherings and summits, is more liberal. Or rather, I have to be so. At least such opposition publications as Republic, Svoboda Slova, Pravda Kazakhstan, etc. a dime a dozen. So all sorts of Maidans are more profitable for the West in Kazakhstan. But the trouble is that there is no opposition in parliament, well, or almost none, and only a dozen people can gather people in squares. And according to Zhanaozen, NAS quickly closed the mouth of many in the West. And the people are against any upheavals - there is no support for the radicals. But time will tell, NAS has long ago become bronzed and the people have accumulated questions in essence.
      For other reasons. In SA Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, the authorities are in control of the entire situation. It is problematic for the West to destabilize the situation there. Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan are weak and there will be no big cry about human rights in any situations when a "peacekeeping mission" of world democrats is needed. But RK is a tidbit for them. And provocation from the inside will not hurt them. Moreover, "ours" have already appeared in Syria and Afghanistan. Our KNB (KGB) has enough work. Religious education abroad was banned. All sorts of Salafi sects began to persecute. hi
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher 5 February 2014 02: 16
        +2
        Generally speaking, Karimov is a mystery politician to me.


        Hello Kosim-aka. Of course, I’m not Karimov, but I’ll try to make a number of judgments from the point of view of a person who has grown up with the Soviet worldview... Even if he is a party functionary, it doesn't matter. So, what kind of world do we live in? We live in a world of predators. Both at the household level and at the higher levels - socio-social, political-economic, geopolitical. The main motto of our world is "Eat first, or else you will be devoured." And very few countries, peoples are immune to this imperative. For the most part, the "predator principle" always works. So, what is the CSTO from these positions? NOTHING, empty place - absolute zero. Towards external threats I mean. But as an instrument of "intra-family", intra-CIS domination, this is an excellent instrument. "Ah, Azerbaijan rock the boat? But we, Russia, have special relations with Armenia. Well, what do you say, Caucasian brother?" And right there, "Armenia, know your place. Our relations with Azerbaijan are not so hot, of course, but understand - this does not mean anything, in your case ...". Etc. etc. Do you understand the essence? As a nucleus for re-assembling the former fraternal republics, the CSTO is nothing at all, and it can be ignored, and in fact, it is even better not to be a member of it. Why voluntarily fall under someone else's influence when you can build your own?
        Farther. TS you say? What is TS in essence? In fact, this is just one of the regulators of relations between capitalists within the CIS, for a more convenient flow of capital from one pockets to others. For ordinary citizens, this is again nothing. Zero. Well, explain to me, please, what is the benefit to a person who has marked his "habitat", directed and redirected all financial flows as he needs, to bow to another dude of the same, from a neighboring "habitat", and absolutely voluntarily and with a song, to give that at the mercy of his legal income from the estate? Can you catch the logic in such an act? Me not.
        This was an attempt to look at things through the eyes of a person who lives in a world of power, money and influence. And now I’ll try to express my point of view. You see, at any stage any integration initiatives will be broken up about this current imperative of development - predation. Until massively again there will be no people for whom Mayakovsky's lines "I know, the city will be ... I know, the garden will bloom. When there are such people in the Soviet country," they will not be empty words, or just another reason to laugh at the naivete of aspirations real people. In general, no Integration will not be until we all finally get out of the world of philistines and bourgeois, who think only of themselves, and "reason" based on these thoughts. That's all ...
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 5 February 2014 15: 57
          +2
          Salem, Cher! I think you can, if you do not revive.
          As for the predators and enrichment of individual individuals with their minions in power, I agree. The thing is different. Here take Karimov. He holds power tightly in his hands, the period of enrichment of him and his entourage has passed. But he must see how many people go abroad to earn money, and what happens if they are forced to stay at home (the Russian Federation will close the barrier). This is the threat of a social explosion. Investment is not attracted, jobs are not created. How to be? And further to sit on dependency (on slave. Places)?
          I do not agree with your opinion on the CSTO and the CU.
          By vehicle. Examples. Automobile assembly enterprises of the Republic of Kazakhstan. AGREE THAT THESE ARE WORKPLACES, otherwise there’s nothing to talk about. By 2020, we will collect 300 units according to the plans of the government. For the Republic of Kazakhstan, it’s higher than the roof - we’ll just not swallow it. A vehicle gives you the opportunity to collect more. Hyundai, KIA, SKODA, VAZ (even the market identified us as CA and beyond the Urals, to the Far East), PEUGEOT, TOYOTA, etc. The TS makes it possible to reunite technological chains in the nuclear industry and receive goods with higher added value. The UNION provides an opportunity for ordinary citizens to calmly move around countries and seek work without restrictions. Just what Karimov needs in the near future. From this point of view, I don’t understand Karimov. All countries are trying to join forces in their economic development - why should we scatter? . The West simply spread the last arms of the USSR - so now we must agree with this?
          According to the CSTO. Such an organization, if only for this purpose, is necessary, because by its very existence it discourages well-wishers from making a direct or obvious threat to the integrity of the countries included in it. In general, I think that if the West opposes our integration, then we are doing everything right.
          And INTEGRATION is already underway - most of my compatriots support it. Yes there are bumps and pits and we stumble, but there is a future. Without this, we will be a raw materials appendage that no one will reckon with. And now there is a chance to create your own industry. This is my opinion.
          Sincerely, Dauren.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 5 February 2014 19: 27
            0
            Quote: Kasym
            By vehicle. Examples. Automobile assembly enterprises of the Republic of Kazakhstan. AGREE THAT THESE ARE WORKPLACES, otherwise there’s nothing to talk about. By 2020, we will be collecting 300 000 pcs according to the government’s plans. For the RK, it’s higher than the roof - we’ll just not swallow it. A vehicle gives you the opportunity to collect more. Hyundai, KIA, SKODA, VAZ (we even determined the market for CA and beyond the Urals, to the Far East), PEUGEOT, TOYOTA, etc.


            You just forgot to add that the Russian Federation introduced a recycling fee for cars assembled in Kazakhstan, which makes the products of our factories in Russia uncompetitive, and therefore limits the export opportunities of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            Moreover, for most of our citizens, buying a car is only available on credit, which drives people into debt bondage. And given that many people still have a mortgage, and thanks to the Customs Union, all consumer goods, gasoline and everything else have risen sharply, then your statement that

            Quote: Kasym
            And INTEGRATION is already underway - most of my compatriots support it. Yes there are bumps and pits and we stumble, but there is a future


            Not true. Most Kazakhs do not want anschluss. Do not try to wishful thinking.

            As for Uzbekistan’s entry into the CU, if that happens, then Karimov clearly will not want to, unlike Radiant at once, surrender all the state interests of the country in favor of Russia. And consequently it will demand preferences for itself (and quite rightly), but then the Radiant will rest, because he will be offended that Father received a discount on Russian energy, subsidies from the Russian Federation and other nishtyaki, Putin - the glory of the collector of Russian lands, and he won nothing to the great integrator. laughing
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 6 February 2014 15: 53
              +2
              First of all, hello!
              Secondly, I write: "AGREE THAT THESE ARE JOBS, otherwise there is nothing to talk about." If YOU do not understand this, then there is nothing to discuss.
              Thirdly . Russia is aware of our attitude to these fees. Putin did not take this into account (henceforth, such things will be coordinated with the Customs Union Commission), so this fee will not be valid for a long time. RF PROFITABLE TC. I also wrote that "yes there are bumps and holes and we stumble", meaning all the graters for creating a vehicle and the example you gave. It took the EU 40 years to agree on everything.
              Fourth. THE SUPPORT AND INDEPENDENCE OF THE REPUBLIC OF KAZAKHSTAN AT THE CREATION OF THE CUSTOMS UNION BECOMES ONLY STRONGER, IN THE VIEW OF STRENGTHENING THE SAFETY OF ITS MEMBERS AND INCREASING GOODS TURNOVER (read the welfare of citizens) BETWEEN ITS PARTICIPANTS BORDERS OPEN. Yes, we had to take a step back by lifting there. excise taxes. But within the past 6 years they will fall below the previous ones (and until it’s too late, it is necessary to rebuild and modernize their industry within this period). And within 1-2 years, the government promised to raise an average of 30%.
              How else to explain your position to you, Zymran, I do not know. Probably I won’t. hi
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 4 February 2014 07: 58
    +2
    New arrangements in the economic sphere will also help.

    It would be more correct: not "help and ...", but "necessary ...". Moreover, the agreements should be mutually beneficial, which will force Uzbekistan to try not only for itself, but also for Russia, since observing only your own interest, you can be left with nothing. And it is stupid to donate money and weapons - they will forget how they will spend everything.
    In the meantime, the import of migrants is the main point of contact, there is no need to worry - the Americans will definitely come to Uzbekistan.
    1. AVV
      AVV 4 February 2014 13: 34
      -3
      Quote: samoletil18
      In the meantime, the import of migrants is the main point of contact, there is no need to worry - the Americans will definitely come to Uzbekistan.

      Introduce visas with Uzbekistan, limit the number of migrants from the American litter !!!
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher 4 February 2014 15: 58
        +4
        ... from the American litter !!!


        You yourself, litter. Rather, it is a door mat, a foot rug and a dribble ...
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 4 February 2014 07: 59
    +4
    The Americans seemed to want to build a railroad between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan and take control of it, drugs Islamism, etc. From all the cracks they spoil us, everywhere they arrange fires.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 4 February 2014 08: 03
      +10
      Quote: ZU-23
      The Americans seemed to want to build a railroad between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan and take control of it, drugs Islamism, etc. From all the cracks they spoil us, everywhere they arrange fires.


      Aw, the road has long existed. Built and operated by the Uzbek Railways.
      The only road to the outside world is completely controlled by Karimov.
      The United States has long been taking drugs for air - through Manas, which are not searched by anyone. How to smuggle drugs through Uzbekistan by train without immunity ???
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 4 February 2014 08: 48
        +1
        Well, there is already a road, but let us remind you that through the Uzbek Hairaton and the Afghan Mazar Sheriff, transit is carried out in the interests of the military forces of NATO and the United States operating in Afghanistan, here you have narcotics with Islamism, and NATO will carry everything there with immunity))), dope is not legal. So no one really controls anything especially when NATO is there.
        1. bazilio
          bazilio 4 February 2014 08: 56
          0
          Quote: ZU-23
          but we recall that through the Uzbek Hairaton and the Afghan Mazar Sheriff transit is carried out in the interests of the military forces of NATO and the USA,

          nor do we forget that the next transit point for NATO transport is the Russian base near Ulyanovsk ..........
          1. ZU-23
            ZU-23 4 February 2014 09: 07
            +4
            Yes, there was a lot of noise for it, I read something like that Americans cannot go further than take-off there and they will seriously drive us away, the FSB will do everything there, at least they won’t throw drugs, like everywhere else in the world)))
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 4 February 2014 09: 42
              +5
              Quote: ZU-23
              they won’t throw drugs in tones, like everywhere else in the world)))

              Dozens of tons-hundreds!
              This is business and nothing personal.
              I personally have an assumption that the lion's share of opium is added to tobacco products. For it is not possible to reasonably explain the attachment of smokers to cigarettes. You can, of course, be accused of phobias about a world conspiracy, but the general "hobby" for "smoking" not from a "bunch of bugs" and the technologies used in the production of cigarettes fully admit this. For an example video:

              Well, fast food with Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola (although there is a "secret" in the ingredient from the plant Erythroxylum coca)
              1. Dilshat
                Dilshat 4 February 2014 23: 05
                0
                Such materials often need to be shown, at least for military review. This video shows what kind of mess in the country and the level of sovereignty. All the same, Evgeny Fedorov is in many ways right. sad
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        3. UzRus
          UzRus 4 February 2014 09: 08
          +1
          ZU-23, the railway was built in 2010. Hairaton - Mazar-e-Sharif, 72 km long. On it, their containers are imported and exported, including americas. There were plans to build on, but apparently no longer fate. Our staff operates the road under a 5-year contract.
          1. ZU-23
            ZU-23 4 February 2014 09: 27
            0
            Yeah, I read, but for me it seemed like there were conversations about this road yesterday, plus then there was a conversation that the road will be generally long China-Kyrgyzstan-Uzbekistan-Afghanistan-Iran, well, this is just in case if NATO had besieged Iran. It wouldn’t be a bad topic for writers to figure out what and how.
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      3. Papakiko
        Papakiko 4 February 2014 09: 27
        +3
        Quote: Lindon
        The United States has long been taking drugs for air - through Manas, which are not searched by anyone. How to transport drugs through Uzbekistan by train without immunity

        You calculate the cost of kg. cargo upon delivery by air per km. the way.
        You can have immunity to certain diseases and viruses.
        And here is purely BUSINESS!
        Please make no mistake when building your conclusions on the exclusivity of Manas. This base processes a small fraction of the entire flow of "genes" from the Afghan collective farm. And then only in the direction of the nearest states, for everything else there are other bases and, preferably, well-supplied with kerosene and adjoining seaports.
        The allusion to the Persian monarchies is quite transparent, I hope. wink
    2. de_monSher
      de_monSher 4 February 2014 12: 09
      +1
      The Americans seemed to want the railroad to build Uzbekistan-Afghanistan and take control of it


      Uzbekistan is building a road. Railway to Afghanistan. Without any intermediaries there. Actually ...

      Uzbekistan and America have constant graters with America, and it turns out with Russia, too, so you have to rely only on yourself in infrastructure projects.
      1. alone
        alone 4 February 2014 21: 19
        0
        But minus, Novse I’ll say that the author wrote completely))) He didn’t even bother to study the history of the region. Let's say Uzbekistan will start to fight with Kyrgyzstan. The military component of the two countries is incomparable. Uzbekistan far surpasses Kyrgyzstan, not to mention Tajikistan But they will never have to fight.
        This is 2x2 = 4. Leaders will never take this risk. Any defeat of any country will end with the departure of the leader of the country. Do you think these leaders will take such a risk? The East is a delicate matter. I am 1005 sure that these leaders will find a language with each other so that the matter does not reach some sort of fighting
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 4 February 2014 08: 14
    +1
    Americans probably dream that there would be one state along the perimeter of the borders of Russia - chiliya, and then Russia would become their "next" state.
  • Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 4 February 2014 08: 27
    +11
    The article is frankly weak ... Indiscriminate phrases like "Kyrgyzstan is heading into the abyss" "Tajikistan is on the brink of a civil war" are straining ... Some kind of imitation of American "political delusions" ...
    And the fact that Karimov pursues a multi-directional policy has been clear since the turn of the 90-2000s.
    In principle, Uzbekov can be understood. They are trying in such a difficult region to occupy the most advantageous position, to provide themselves with the maximum possible amenities and benefits. It should also be taken into account that in comparison with neighbors (except for Kazakhstan) they have the most combat-ready armed forces.
    The only thing that can be said about them: "We would not outsmart ourselves" ...
  • ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 4 February 2014 08: 45
    +1
    The fact that the United States chose a country with a strong Islamic underground once again proves who the owner of this underground is, and the Uzbek government should have thought and not only the profits from counting with the United States, it can come out sideways.
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 4 February 2014 09: 00
      +3
      Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
      The fact that the US chose a country with a strong Islamic underground

      This underground has gone so underground that it is based in Afghanistan and not in Uzbekistan.
      1. UzRus
        UzRus 4 February 2014 09: 28
        +2
        And those who stayed are in Zhaslyk.
    2. bazilio
      bazilio 4 February 2014 09: 00
      0
      Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
      The fact that the US chose a country with a strong Islamic underground

      This underground has gone so underground that it is based in Afghanistan and not in Uzbekistan.
    3. Turkestan
      Turkestan 4 February 2014 11: 56
      +1
      what the United States chose a country with a strong Islamic underground

      To be honest, I did not come across. But on the other hand, PLUS to the Chekists of Uzbekistan, they work well
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 4 February 2014 08: 52
    +6
    need to be friends with everyone! and Uzbekistan is no exception!
    I have a friend from Uzbekistan .... KARIMOV is a strong leader .. BUT he also seems not to be eternal. and he understands it!
    From a friend I heard there right now GOES a booze who will continue to lead a strange one! So it’s not far off that UZBEKISTAN can change its vector --- abandon neutrality. And we need to find a common language now and not later
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 4 February 2014 10: 46
      +7
      Quote: Nitarius
      From a friend I heard there right now GOES a booze who will continue to lead a strange one!
      Karimov made peace with his daughter. Our, Kazakh, Uzbeks say that the quarrel was a spectacle, in order to reveal the hidden opposition. Maybe users from Uzbekistan will clarify the situation.
      1. The gentleman
        The gentleman 4 February 2014 11: 00
        +2
        Quote: Andrew KZ
        Quote: Nitarius
        From a friend I heard there right now GOES a booze who will continue to lead a strange one!
        Karimov made peace with his daughter. Our, Kazakh, Uzbeks say that the quarrel was a spectacle, in order to reveal the hidden opposition. Maybe users from Uzbekistan will clarify the situation.

        overall plus and no comment
      2. UzRus
        UzRus 4 February 2014 12: 05
        +2
        Andrey KZ, yes it was visible from the very beginning with the naked eye.
    2. Turkestan
      Turkestan 4 February 2014 12: 10
      +1
      УZBEKISTAN may change vector

      In fact, many Uzbekistanis are worried about three impending problems.
      -This is the election of the Head of State. Who will come to government?
      - Withdrawal of NATO forces from Afghanistan. How will the Afghan armed opposition behave towards its neighbors?
      -And the introduction of a visa regime in the Russian Federation
      1. UzRus
        UzRus 4 February 2014 13: 00
        +1
        Regarding the Afghan opposition, that is, the Taliban, I think, do not bother. This has already happened once, when the Taliban had power in Afghanistan. And nothing.
  • UzRus
    UzRus 4 February 2014 09: 09
    +6
    Uzbekistan is a country with a strong Islamic underground. - I wonder what the author smokes?
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    2. The gentleman
      The gentleman 4 February 2014 09: 44
      +4
      regarding smoking, here the Ministry of Health and authorized law enforcement agencies))) regarding Islam, then it must be said that this is the main religion of the country, but it is not radical, strictly classical, with respect to other religions, namely Christianity. well, if there is a smart guy, then him right away ...
  • bazilio
    bazilio 4 February 2014 09: 13
    +4
    The article is superficial and largely unfounded.
    There is no influence of American NGOs in Uzbekistan as actually these NGOs themselves, they have been covered up for a long time.
    The problem of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) - from the very beginning of the 90s, this movement has existed, but has not achieved any success, therefore the IMU is not allowed to raise its head. The invasion of all dishonesty from the territory of Afghanistan is not so scary; the border with Afghanistan is very well fortified and passes along the Amu Darya. But the militants from Afghanistan are unlikely to climb straight forward. It will be much easier to get into the Republic of Uzbekistan through Tajikistan - at the Tajiks and the border is longer, and it is more difficult to guard, since there are continuous mountains around.
    Cooperation with the United States - it is not vital for Uzbekistan, as the author is trying to convince us. Do not forget that Uzbekistan and the Russian Federation on November 14, 2005 concluded an Alliance Agreement, according to which aggression against one side is equated with aggression and against the other side.
    1. The gentleman
      The gentleman 4 February 2014 09: 37
      +6
      2 basilio: you know perfectly well that NGOs, NGOs have long had no power. and unlike the Russian Federation, Uzbekistan stopped this activity on time with financial support from the West
      1. UzRus
        UzRus 4 February 2014 12: 07
        +2
        Yes, they cleaned this rot in time.
  • Name
    Name 4 February 2014 09: 13
    +2
    There is not a single state to which the deployment of NATO troops (read the United States) would be beneficial, there are only problems. There can be immediate benefits, and a headache for years! Another springboard and no more. hi
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    1. The gentleman
      The gentleman 4 February 2014 09: 49
      +2
      "cockroaches", "without our money" ... put a plus, your emotions are correct. but one may ask, exactly how to act, what is meant by "tougher"?
      1. igorra
        igorra 4 February 2014 10: 20
        -1
        And as you do around the world, I think Russia should learn how to defend its interests always and in everything. Karimov sneezed once in the direction of Russia, be healthy Islam Abduganievich, the second - to grow big, did not understand and sneezed a third time - scat under the bench. Well, something like that.
        1. The gentleman
          The gentleman 4 February 2014 10: 48
          +1
          Quote: igorra
          And as you do around the world, I think Russia should learn how to defend its interests always and in everything. Karimov sneezed once in the direction of Russia, be healthy Islam Abduganievich, the second - to grow big, did not understand and sneezed a third time - scat under the bench. Well, something like that.

          loud of course, but would like to hear relevant containment suggestions
        2. riding
          riding 4 February 2014 14: 07
          0
          Quote: Gentleman
          Karimov sneezed once in the direction of Russia, be healthy Islam Abduganievich, the second - to grow big,

          These measures are effective for domestic violence.
    2. Urus
      Urus 4 February 2014 21: 59
      0
      _in cockroaches-instinct, climb-where there is garbage and dirt
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 4 February 2014 09: 35
    +5
    extremely rarely put a minus to any article, but here, sorry, put a minus to the article ... could not resist. the author of course tried to catch the clouds, but it turned out loud and stupid. there will be no American base, but about the delivery of some kind of weapon there ... maximum not offensive in nature.
    Regarding the war with neighbors, everyone understands that there will be no war. This is primarily disadvantageous to the Russian Federation. Russia is re-affirming itself in Central Asia and now it is not profitable for it.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 4 February 2014 09: 57
    +1
    Quote: Papakiko
    I personally have an assumption that the lion's share of opium is added to tobacco products.

    Yes, that is, well, if not opium in cigarettes, then another drug, cigarettes now smoke much milder, if Russia smoked cleanly its cigarettes, then there would be half as many smokers. I remember when they appeared in the early 90s Marlboro, LM, etc., so immediately and the girls of smokers increased by 2 times, and the Rodopi and Cosmos smoked only burnt women laughing
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 4 February 2014 09: 59
    +4
    The machine prints green pieces of paper - a ring shrinks around Russia.
  • xackera
    xackera 4 February 2014 10: 02
    +3
    The article is sucked out of the finger. The likelihood that the American base will appear in Uzbekistan is very small. There is no objective reason for posting it. In the event of an armed conflict (very unlikely) with Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Uzbekistan can independently cope with both countries, provided that Russia does not intervene within the framework of the CSTO. From the threat emanating from the south of Afghanistan, if the Uzbek armed forces do not cope on their own, then there is the opportunity to call for help Russia or China, but again not the United States - I think Karimov made some conclusions from the five-day war in the Caucasus.
  • eldar2116
    eldar2116 4 February 2014 10: 22
    +4
    May there be no war. The Taliban will go about their business for several years, and IMUshnikov can be rolled out quickly. Most likely there is an underground, but the Syrian version is simply unrealistic. In any case, while Islam Karimov holds power tightly, they have nothing to look for here. And by then, the United States will give up and it will not be until the outbreak of war wherever possible
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 4 February 2014 11: 14
      +2
      Naturally, by the will of the peoples themselves, there will be no war. But there are also external provocateurs. They will beat the youth into the head and throw it like a "Turkic spring" ...
    2. Clegg
      Clegg 4 February 2014 13: 32
      0
      Quote: eldar2116
      And by then, the United States will give up and it will not be until the outbreak of war wherever possible

      One all screamed that soon the United States would give up, and there is no more that country)))))))

      God bless America!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 4 February 2014 10: 50
    +1
    I don’t think that they will sign Karimov under the base. In the event of a war in the Ferghana Valley, the Uzbeks are able to solve the problem themselves and there is everything for this. While Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are in a weakened state, Karimova has nothing to worry about. And if you have a headache in your territory in the US base, it will significantly increase. And so he is one king of animals that I want to turn over without looking back.
    1. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 4 February 2014 18: 50
      +1
      I absolutely agree with you! The president, who destroyed organized crime at a time, keeps the Islamists in the sandal gloves and any hints of opposition, hardly a simpleton! Even if they stay, Karimov is not predictable, and if he doesn’t like something, it will not be a base but a trap!
  • shelva
    shelva 4 February 2014 12: 09
    0
    Is it really shorter for the Americans to get home from Afghanistan through the Uzbeks? No, if this is the case, then another "dog is buried" here. They really do not want to leave the region, but you see - the coffins are over, so they decided to sit out in silence, and if it works out, then stay.
  • buzer
    buzer 4 February 2014 12: 31
    +1
    The article is rather naive, or was written for the naive, especially for those who are not familiar with the situation. Particularly annoying is the set of cliches and stereotypes ... "Islamists" "Taliban" "explosive Fergana" and so on ... They would also write that in Moscow all year round there are "knee-deep snowdrifts" and "bears on the streets in queues for vodka"
  • muhomor
    muhomor 4 February 2014 16: 25
    +1
    Well, the Americans will withdraw their troops through Uzbekistan. Well, the Uzbeks will earn on the conclusion. Well, so what? What bases can we talk about when they have already been burned once?
  • Bene valete
    Bene valete 4 February 2014 16: 48
    -1
    Gentlemen, what kind of Uzbekistan is there, Kyrgyzstan, Bishkek-Mishkek ... You take a closer look at the window - They are all here all over Mother Russia (from Moscow to Vladivostok) !!!)))
    What kind of players are you talking about? The poor countries who pay those more and there will be bases, etc.)))

    Joke: If the "minke whales" build bases with mustache migrant workers will return to their homes ... it's easier for us, maybe we'll start working ourselves)))
  • siberalt
    siberalt 4 February 2014 18: 39
    +1
    Papakiko:
    It's a pity. "And the crisis - from the ancient Greek krinein - to separate, disassemble, judge, divide, decide, cleanse.

    It can be seen that the Greeks also used this term in someone else's translation. Did he take money from his grandmother, peeled potatoes, decided to go to the cinema - and this is all a crisis?
  • Russia
    Russia 4 February 2014 19: 55
    0
    Everything is very simple and elementary. First, under the pretext of "withdrawing troops" into Uzbekistan, "feeding the fifth column" and stirring up a new "democracy" close to Kazakhstan and Russia. As soon as Karimov lets them in - goodbye Uzbekistan as a calm country.
    1. Urus
      Urus 4 February 2014 22: 02
      0
      _ fifth column, say .. error is Uzbekistan .. You go to the left, to Russia, there all ridges live there
  • Urus
    Urus 4 February 2014 22: 13
    0
    _and in general, the article-CANALYSIS! Sewer-complete
  • scientist
    scientist 4 February 2014 22: 28
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    By definition, the goal of the foreign policy of any state is to strengthen its influence in the region or in the world. The withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan seemed to many a weakening of politics and the United States in the region. But these rumors, through the Western media, the Pentagon itself spreads, so that some would fuss, and some would relax. Otherwise, Obama became a traitor to the interests of the United States, but who will allow him. The withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan means only a simple redistribution of financial flows serving US foreign policy interests. And as the event in Ukraine shows, the redistribution is quite effective. Perhaps the next one will be Uzbekistan, but maybe it's just a distracting maneuver. After all, the main advantage of all the countries of Central Asia is that it is not necessary to bribe the media and thousands of activists for protests and riots. It is enough to give the ruling elite guarantees for the inviolability of their foreign accounts and family continuity of power. All the rest these authorities will do themselves.
  • ko88
    ko88 4 February 2014 22: 55
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    everything can be.
  • Russia
    Russia 4 February 2014 23: 20
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    Quote: Urus
    .You to the left, to Russia, there all ridges live there

    The fifth, unfortunately, is not only made of "zigs" ... You just need to find those thirsty for power, dissatisfied, losers, offended and simply unhappy, praise them, give a little green ... And they will yell "zig" for a sweet soul and "akbar" and "kukareku" ... As indicated. The main thing is to suggest that now they are "in power here." Look: Libya, Syria, Egypt, Ukraine.
  • Urus
    Urus 5 February 2014 03: 47
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    _Russi-I-brother-understand !! I am a red-Uzbek, Tajik, Iranian, Russian-I! All this, Kavardak-mess-order-tired-!! from Vladik to Berlin, there is MY LAND !! I am a Turkic Khaganate , and here he is again, I am Russia ... if it’s really, really, Soviet-Samarkand-I
  • de_monSher
    de_monSher 10 January 2018 23: 04
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    It’s so funny to read all this “analytega” in 4, almost a year ... *)))))
  • Natalia777
    Natalia777 21 March 2018 06: 16
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    "After a long break, the relatively cool relations between Tashkent and Bishkek have noticeably warmed up. Uzbek President Shakat Mirziyoyev arrived in Kyrgyzstan on an official visit this week." and so on and so forth ... Uzbekistan is intensively establishing relations with all its neighbors including Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Uzbekistan will not create American bases and other military bases on its territory. Uzbekistan and Russia are bound by more than a hundred international treaties, including the Military Cooperation Treaty. The internal Uzbek Islamists were cut off their tails and the constant work against radical Islam was excellent. The tail of the fifth column in Uzbekistan has been pinched very strongly. Threats for Uzbekistan exist: 1) this is a possible betrayal of the elites and for the United States to be able to crank up this option, it takes a lot of time and money; 2) American ISIS can attack from Afghanistan both directly across the border and through the territory of Tajikistan, but there is an agreement with Russia on military cooperation; 3) high unemployment - the seasonal job market in Russia for Uzbek labor migrants saves here. The only thing that is true in the article is that the USA is intensively climbing into Uzbekistan with its "friendship" and again trying to open its Nonprofit Organizations in Uzbekistan. But the United States in Uzbekistan is cautious. Therefore now
    Great Britain integrates with Uzbekistan with soft power. Which is very dangerous in the long-term consequences, since the USA and Great Britain have 2 heads of one Hydra.
  • Natalia777
    Natalia777 21 March 2018 06: 36
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    Urus,
    And why do you have a Swiss flag? Escaped from Samarkand to the Geyropei Kaganate?
  • Natalia777
    Natalia777 21 March 2018 06: 38
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    Urus,
    So you hid in Switzerland and shit from there?