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Ukrainians should understand that today they are cannon fodder in the Great Geopolitical Game called “Death of Russia”

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Ukrainians should understand that today they are cannon fodder in the Great Geopolitical Game called “Death of Russia”

The fact that on the Maidan the people revolt not so much for “logging in to Europe”, as against the criminal-oligarchic power in the person of Yanukovych, does not mean that Maidan ceases to be the point of application of the forces of our geopolitical opponents, first of all, the USA. The degree of tenseness of maydanschikov and the degree of discontent of the people with the existing system is nothing more than a tangle of blind energy, which the skilled hands of politicians are free to direct in one direction or the other. People’s impulse could be picked up and created by a strong union with Russia a state with an adequate political elite, but the trouble is that there is no internal leader in Ukraine, so the people’s bezhoznaya energy is controlled directly from overseas ... It reminds of the situation in Russia 1917 of the year ... However, then a party (Bolsheviks) was found in a crumbling Russia, which, no matter how anti-Russian it was at first, first of all took up the restoration of the governance system, the state-forming institutions ... and eventually restored the city state responsibility as such ... Alas, is not foreseen in modern Ukraine ...


Proceeding from this, it makes sense to analyze in more detail what goals the Americans are pursuing in Ukraine.

Geopolitician Alexander Dugin believes that the Ukrainian “Euromaidan” is in fact “Ameromaidan”:

“Many times the scenario described by us enters the final stage. Yanukovych was the last guarantor of a united Ukraine; it could be established as a single state only in the zone of the pro-Russian - but somewhat distant - policy. To become a nation, Ukrainians need 100 years. 100 years of peace and multi-vector with friendship with Russia. All other scenarios lead to a split into two countries.

Under Yushchenko and Tymoshenko, the maximum zapadensky influence was achieved. It can not be more. Anyone who wants more will get a third of Ukraine, and not as a prosperous Eastern European country (there are no such “prosperous” countries in Eastern Europe, ask Hungarians, Bulgarians, and Romanians), but as bloody porridge (pay attention to Transcarpathia, and in Volyn there are powerful strongholds of Orthodoxy).

Eastern Ukraine will become an analogue of South Ossetia or Abkhazia. Independent and stable state. This scenario is getting closer and closer. You have to be realistic and ready for anything. There is no time for emotion at all: pure cold geopolitics - atlantists against eurasians, sea against sushi; ideology is subject to geopolitics. Atlantic Maidan. He is not for Europe, but for the United States. Europe, as a continental entity, needs an alliance with Russia. Therefore, the Maidan is anti-European. Amero-Maidan, Atlanto-Maidan. "


In more detail about the goals of Americans in Ukraine, writes columnist for the magazine “International Affairs” Sergey Filatov:

“The American goal is as simple as an orange - to create chaos everywhere, where they do it because of the readiness of the local population for mass protests against injustice.

However, no one wants to say that this injustice grows out of the tendencies towards the concentration of power and wealth, the elimination of social states and other “charms” of life generated by a system in which the main thing is money, not people.

This system, generated by Large Capital, today has covered almost the entire globe, and therefore in many countries, especially in those countries where social states have existed recently, it is not so difficult to raise people to protest.

So the Americans pay - through NGOs, and provide political support for destabilization (this is what they call “supporting democracy”) of a considerable number of countries - Ukraine, Tunisia, Myanmar, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia ... List can continue.

Why do they need it? The question is rhetorical.

Anglo-Saxons, incl. and the Americans, who want to own the world in order to endlessly pump resources out of it for their beautiful lives - typically colonial politics. And the way to this is through the destruction of countries and the bleeding between themselves no longer even peoples, but different social strata of the population in individual states with the aim of splitting them and further manipulating them.

It was said long ago: "Divide and rule!"

And still Russia with its riches and scales in the Anglo-Saxons is like a bone in the throat, which is why they have been drooling for more than one century! But - they see the Russian Power and want it to be in excess, so as not to interfere with their plans. Here in Ukraine and let it go. Type - "weak link".

Obama let out in his speech: “From Tunisia to Myanmar, we support those who want to do the hard work of building democracy. In Ukraine, we advocate that all people have the right to freely and peacefully express their aspirations and state their position on the future of the country. ”

Pure demagoguery.

But Obama did not say (and never will say) that “from Tunisia to Myyama”, the United States sowed the seeds of hostility, violence and chaos. And more people have already died there than before the beginning of the “democratization” under the notorious “bloody regimes”. Today in Ukraine there are first victims ...

Joke: “Why can't a coup d'etat happen in the USA? “Because there is no US embassy in Washington.”

The US Embassy is directly involved in the leadership of the Maidan in Kiev.

We note that the Americans, as it seems, need not Klitschko in power, but permanent intensification of passions — right up to the beginning of the civil war — near the borders of Russia.


Ukrainians should understand that today they are cannon fodder in the Great Geopolitical Game called “Death of Russia”.

America doesn't care about their destiny. There, even on the globe, most politicians will not find Ukraine ...

But the fault of the West, as always, is Russia itself ... ”.

According to the “Russian Idea” resource, Maidan is a complex US special operation:

“It is impossible not to see that Yanukovych’s November refusal to sign the Association with the European Union was only a far-fetched reason for the emergence of the protest Maidan. To the townsfolk this was filed by the “orange” as a protest against the “refusal to enter Europe” with its social and material benefits, which would instantly spread to Ukraine as a blessed rain. Supposedly Europe was ready to give this earthly paradise to Ukraine and was offended by the rejected gift. Even the Yanukovych government itself only at the last moment, after reading the document that was finally prepared for signing, realized that all this was an impossible dream, but in fact the Association with the EU would condemn Ukraine only for many years fulfilling European requirements and standards with costs around 160 billion euros, which would inevitably lead to the collapse of the Ukrainian economy. With the numbers in hand, the Ukrainian government could not but come to the conclusion that the only saving way was the Customs Union with Russia. This was the only cause of irritation of the West and the only cause of “euromaidan” and the new revolution.

But really, it was impossible to understand this earlier and not to produce utopian illusions among the population? It turned out that the poor people suddenly and in spite of their own promises the government took away the “sacred rose dream”, as it happens in sentimental Indian films with their unfortunate heroes. And this disappointment was superimposed on a more substantial reason for general discontent with Yanukovych’s policies. He was chosen in 2010 year as the promised sound alternative to Yushchenko’s pro-Western and anti-Russian policy, but the new president with his Party of Regions did not fulfill these promises.

Even Oleg Tsarev, deputy chairman of the Party of Regions faction in the Verkhovna Rada, admitted in an interview to the Russia 24 channel that Yanukovych fell into a helpless position: the western oblasts are consolidating against him, and the eastern oblasts that voted for him and could now fight back are passive , because even in their view, Yanukovych has accumulated a lot of "negativity". Of course, this “negative” is, first of all, non-fulfillment of election promises for rapprochement with the Russian Federation, for giving the Russian language the status of a second state. Instead, Yanukovych’s self-deceitful inclination toward the West was evident. As a result, the weakening of the hopes of the pro-Russian part of the population of Ukraine, along with a sharp increase in the activity of pro-Western forces, led to the current de facto dual power. In addition, the opposition pro-Western part of Ukrainian society today receives public (as well as organizational and financial) support from the EU and the US, while the Russian Federation is repeating its non-interference.

So, the main goal of the USA in the new revolution initiated by them is to prevent the reorientation of the Ukrainian authorities to the alliance with the Russian Federation. Political support for the new revolution from the United States is obvious, but organizational backstage organizational support is not immediately made public.


In this Ukrainian crisis, the Americans use the entire already tested arsenal of their “complex operations”: here they finance the opposition and its political support in the world media, bribing officials and law enforcement officers, blackmailing rulers, eliminating objectionable and non-selling ones.

All of these tools are especially effective in the situation of “controlled chaos”, which we are seeing now as a result of Yanukovych’s inaction. It does not matter that the “Maidan” militants come out with Nazi and “anti-Semitic” slogans - now the “integrated operators” need them as a ram. But the overthrown power will be taken into their hands not by the “anti-Semites”, but by the Semites (Klitschko, Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok — all the leaders of the revolution of Jewish origin).

What can oppose this part of the citizens of Ukraine, which seeks unity with the Russian people? Will the southeastern regions finally be able to resist both revolutionaries and the surrender of Yanukovych, forming their united pro-Russian power structure?

To all well-wishers of Ukraine on Russian TV channels and in the State Duma, this option is presented as a “taboo”. However, the analysis of what is happening in modern Ukraine is incomprehensible without taking into account the fact that this “independent state” is unnaturally tailored, patchwork, and the so-called Ukrainian nation - artificially created in the XIX-XX centuries exclusively for anti-Russian purposes.

At first, the Germans and the Austro-Hungarians, in particular, who presented the “Ukrainian history"Hrushevsky and the grammar of the newly created" Ukrainian language "... But even during the First World War there were few traitors among the Little Russians. The Germans, who occupied Ukraine in agreement with the Central Rada and planted "separatism", called it an "artificial state", "whose people do not want to secede from Russia," and recognized Ritzler as adviser to the German Embassy in Moscow: "Any idea of ​​Ukraine’s independence now looked if only fantasy, in spite of everything, the vitality of the united Russian soul is enormous. ”

Therefore, the rulers of any “independent Ukraine” can and are trying to justify the legitimacy of their independent power only by suppressing all Russian and repulsing from “imperial colonialist” Russia. For this, the rulers implanted historical and ideological myths, thereby eradicating the true Russian culture of their people (he did not have another) and turning it into an uncultured cattle and historical chimera.

A significant part of the population of Ukraine will resist this, as long as Russia exists ...

If Russia had real Russian power, it would be able to quite successfully contribute to this, relying on the will of the now-dismembered triune Russian people.


The current rulers of the Russian Federation are also afraid to anger their American "partners" and reiterate non-interference, the "territorial integrity of Ukraine", although in the Western media exaggerate "Russian pressure on Yanukovych", launch ducks about provocations of "Russian agents" in Kiev ...

Of course, the United States is doing everything possible to make the separation of Little Russia from Russia irreversible. The CIA directive stated that the United States should not allow the reunification of Ukraine and Belarus with Russia; this is determined by the American goal of "establishing and protecting the new world order", for which the use of force is not excluded.

The United States provides a guarantee of the integrity of Ukraine, provides money assistance (200 million dollars annually), advisers (including the son of Brzezinski), joint military exercises (in particular, to suppress the "separatist rebellion" in the Crimea). The staff of the US Embassy in Kiev in 15 exceeds Russian. Pressure on the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol is increasing, for which the Russian Federation pays Ukraine 100 million dollars a year.

The leadership of Ukraine is forcing its entry into NATO. The European countries of NATO are not eager to take on the maintenance of the half-ruined economy of Ukraine (its per capita GDP, according to the CIA, is half the Russian), but the US will not fail to use it to move its structures to the borders of Russia - Ukraine does not need the world behind the scenes ".
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  1. makst83
    makst83 4 February 2014 08: 43
    +63
    I understand that according to the rank of the president or the minister of foreign affairs, one cannot say asashay, this Semtian-Negro gang: "I gave your opinion a spin, and the axis was my genital organ." But someone has to say THIS!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 15: 02
      +36
      Quote: makst83
      But someone has to say THIS!

      And the longer the pronunciation of this phrase is delayed, the more blood will be shed later. hi Let's hope that in the Ukrainian question Vova will correspond to her reputation in foreign policy games.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 4 February 2014 15: 24
        +15
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Let's hope that in the Ukrainian question Vova will correspond to her reputation in foreign policy games.

        ... it remains to stand DAY and NIGHT hold out, i.e. until February 23 ...
        Or Sochi-2014 sideways to send, because their brothers are still more expensive ...
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 4 February 2014 15: 51
          +10
          Quote: Rus2012
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Let's hope that in the Ukrainian question Vova will correspond to her reputation in foreign policy games.

          ... it remains to stand DAY and NIGHT hold out, i.e. until February 23 ...
          Or Sochi-2014 sideways to send, because their brothers are still more expensive ...


          You can rest assured that the opening of the Olympics will be charred. 100 there will be some kind of scandal on the topic of sodomy, or a full-scale war in Ukraine will begin.
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 4 February 2014 16: 10
            +5
            You can rest assured that the opening of the Olympics will be charred. 100 percent there will be some kind of scandal on the topic of sodomy
            In the Netherlands already protesting the royal couple's trip to the Olympics-2014
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 4 February 2014 16: 34
              +19
              Quote: Horst78
              In the Netherlands already protesting the royal couple's trip to the Olympics-2014


              sorrow what, goryushko, for whom are you leaving the pigsty ??

              do you care?
              1. DMB-78
                DMB-78 4 February 2014 18: 04
                +12
                Quote: seller trucks
                do you care?

                I would be very upset not seeing the Canadian national ice hockey team at the Olympics. and in what sport are the non-arrived leaders of the geyrops involved?
                1. abdrah
                  abdrah 5 February 2014 06: 14
                  +3
                  DMB-78 - "What kind of sport do the non-arrived Gayrop leaders participate in?"
                  -They got the hang of some kind of crap on the ice to run and scoff in front of her with mops, as this "sport" is called, I don't even want to remember, but all over he will also give baseball a head start in stupidity ..
                  1. Penzyac
                    Penzyac 5 February 2014 19: 42
                    0
                    By the way, in curling our guys already got it!
              2. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 4 February 2014 18: 09
                +17
                Quote: Geisenberg
                You can rest assured that the opening of the Olympics will be charred. 100 there will be some kind of scandal on the topic of sodomy, or a full-scale war in Ukraine will begin.


                Meanwhile, the United States threw out the White Flag on the main citadel of the White Ribbon movement - McFall, an expert on the orange revolution, is retiring .... Who cares what this special is, read his biography ahead and compare the places of coups d'état on the map.


                In short, McFall, since the 2012 of the year has failed all the missions assigned to him, the Red Army did not even succeed in rocking, rather, on the contrary, the state rallied and strengthened, all events took place, public opinion regarding US policy has not changed, and regarding the government it has even improved, It was not possible to support the protest activity at the proper level, the Olympics in Sochi will take place, the Moscow-Peter route will be completed, and Olesha and PARNAS did not go to parliament ....

                Looking at all the epic fails of Navalny, and then at his main sponsor, you begin to understand what kind of teacher, such and student ....
                Adieu, fellow Orangemen.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 18: 15
                  +12
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  Meanwhile, the United States has thrown the White Flag on the main citadel of the White Ribbon movement - the orange revolution specialist McFall is retiring ....

                  And I do not like this departure, it looks like a regrouping of forces ...
                  1. sledgehammer102
                    sledgehammer102 4 February 2014 18: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    And I do not like this departure, it looks like a regrouping of forces ...


                    Well, in the world there are still many undemocratic and resource-rich countries, Iran or Venezuela, for example.

                    But now the orange method is over
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 18: 43
                      +9
                      Quote: sledgehammer102
                      But now the orange method is over

                      By God, I doubt it ... "How many wolves do not feed ..."
                      1. ty60
                        ty60 5 February 2014 01: 58
                        +1
                        The donkey is longer anyway. That's what we will shorten.
                    2. Genur
                      Genur 4 February 2014 18: 43
                      +8
                      Quote: sledgehammer102
                      But now the orange method is over

                      Do not flatter yourself. Sooner to calm down. The enemy does not sleep.
                    3. Lelek
                      Lelek 5 February 2014 00: 23
                      +2
                      Nothing like this. The greed (for money) of people is great ... stop
                  2. GorynychZmey78
                    GorynychZmey78 4 February 2014 20: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Quote: sledgehammer102
                    Meanwhile, the United States has thrown the White Flag on the main citadel of the White Ribbon movement - the orange revolution specialist McFall is retiring ....

                    And I do not like this departure, it looks like a regrouping of forces ...


                    Well, that’s good, until they are regrouped, we’ll have time to lay the landmines under the new makfolof laughing
                2. alone
                  alone 4 February 2014 19: 13
                  +12
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  Meanwhile, the United States threw out the White Flag on the main citadel of the White Ribbon movement - McFall, an expert on the orange revolution, is retiring .... Who cares what this special is, read his biography ahead and compare the places of coups d'état on the map.


                  the general inspects the front-line units and, during a conversation with the sergeant, falls under the fire of a sniper. the general lays in the mud with his retinue and crawls into a safe place. After he saw that the sergeant was just walking at them slowly.
                  Sergeant, who shot? ”“ Mr. General, a sniper sits right there on top of an oak tree and from there pounds.
                  the general yells angrily: -So why don’t you kill the sniper, since you know where he is sitting?
                  - Mr. General, this sniper oblique, can’t hit the target. Kill, they’ll send a professional. Why kill?
                  Paul hi I don’t see much joy. Having removed a loser, they can put a professional in their place. Do you think this will make it easier?
                3. 31231
                  31231 4 February 2014 22: 06
                  +2
                  Adieu, fellow Orangemen.


                  Will they really have to work? Oh my god. Hands all in the gardens.
              3. ty60
                ty60 5 February 2014 01: 53
                0
                Yes, violet. One less .. And then, in the edges of the blue-blue there will be no left. Well, everything will be sealed up to us, take a walk, relax
            2. Orik
              Orik 4 February 2014 17: 29
              +9
              Quote: Horst78
              In the Netherlands already protesting the royal couple's trip to the Olympics-2014

              We must protest that all sorts of leaders pi ... come to us.
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            4. siberalt
              siberalt 4 February 2014 19: 02
              +4
              Horst78






              "You can rest assured that the opening of the Olympics will still be bored. There will be some sort of scandal about sodomy in the Netherlands. They are already protesting against the trip of the royal couple to the 100 Olympics."

              And what about the Netherlands? For them, the Olympics will be opened with a Ta-Tu song. So a compromise is found.)))
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                1. habalog
                  habalog 5 February 2014 12: 25
                  0
                  Quote: kare
                  Painted under the pedril Khokhloma

                  Violation of the rules of the site.
                  Yes, and if I could, I would have slammed the ban. Why did you call our Ukrainians so-they gave them IM ?! Khokhloma has nothing to do with them. You, with your passage, attributed part of our culture to them. It is unthinkable.

                  A rainbow is a symbol of happiness, known to everyone from childhood. If the duplosui will wave their flags in Sochi, they will not stand out. THOSE. will not be able to attract attention. Which, undoubtedly, brings them into their favorite "in the ass" position.
                  The step is simple and ingenious.
            5. ArhipenkoAndrey
              ArhipenkoAndrey 5 February 2014 05: 22
              0
              And rightly, they don’t do it here!
          2. DMB-78
            DMB-78 4 February 2014 16: 33
            +3
            Quote: Geisenberg
            100 percent there will be some kind of scandal

            will not be so come up. or provoke
          3. makarov
            makarov 4 February 2014 17: 24
            .
            material - brainwashing. I don't eat like that
            1. pavlo007
              pavlo007 4 February 2014 20: 18
              +3
              You don’t need to - the brain is already washed completely.
            2. Alex toll
              Alex toll 5 February 2014 16: 58
              0
              Che burgers gobbled up? the brain is thinking about a new dose of gov.a GMOshny and that's it ???

              Why are you completely playing with Geyropa? I want an easy life, you close your eyes to everything that happens ???

              Ahhhhh ??? - the flock to you?
          4. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 4 February 2014 17: 26
            +3
            Well, the United States wants to kill two birds with one stone and in Ukraine to wreak havoc and the Olympics to disrupt the image of the Russian Federation as a state.
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 4 February 2014 18: 53
              +5
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              Well, the United States wants to kill two birds with one stone and in Ukraine to wreak havoc and the Olympics to disrupt the image of the Russian Federation as a state.

              There is a proverb, apparently not known to amers: "You will chase two hares, you will not catch a single one!"
            2. Dyagilev
              Dyagilev 4 February 2014 19: 06
              +1
              It is very likely that the Olympics will serve as yet another reason for discrediting Russia with a view to its further destruction. The psychology is simple and the collapse technology worked out on the example of the USSR. From the beginning, power, statehood are discredited, shrines are desecrated, as a result of which the people cease to respect themselves, power and the state. It is easy to sow confusion at this point. And then it's easier. But an important point, first the people must be brought to poverty. All these prerequisites have developed now in Ukraine.
          5. predator.3
            predator.3 4 February 2014 21: 23
            +8
            Sits glad in Ukraine. Chairman:
            - ........deleted by moderator Apollo dumb?
            From the audience:
            - Dumb, dumb!
            - Surely dumb?
            - Surely dumb
            “Well, you can speak Russian too.” laughing
          6. Name
            Name 4 February 2014 22: 22
            +2
            Quote: Geisenberg
            or a full-scale war in Ukraine will begin.

            Rather, in Syria. hi
        2. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 4 February 2014 15: 56
          +14
          Quote: Rus2012
          The fact that on the Maidan the people are rebelling not so much for “entering before Europe” as against the criminal oligarchic authorities represented by Yanukovych

          The position of Russia, yes he is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch is fundamentally wrong. This is a major and system error. If someone thinks that Yanek is a friend of Russia, then he is very mistaken. Yes, you can press eggs, but this does not mean his loyalty. On the contrary, this will lead to directly opposite results. Yes, Janek is a bargaining chip, but the problem is not in it. The problem is in the people of Ukraine, there is a decline in confidence in Russia. And this is the most negative result. Friends are not those who hold their eggs, they are not friends, they are enemies in which their hands are temporarily tied. But everything flows and everything changes.
          Russia is losing a chance, yes, it can win a tactical battle, but strategically this is a defeat.
          1. mirag2
            mirag2 4 February 2014 16: 05
            +22
            I agree that Yanukovych is not a friend of Russia, and he never was, but thought only about himself.
            And the mood is not something that is changing, but just there the order, the rule of law, etc.-died, as we have in the early 90s.
            After all, we had radical parties such as RNU, and nothing, no one forbade them, because the government had the power to do so.
            And in Ukraine the same topic.
            And as for cannon fodder, whether Ukrainians understand this, in 91 I did not understand what was going on and what would happen after Yeltsin came, but this was the first time, and now if the Ukrainians do not go into what is happening, the more so since the examples and consequences of integration with Europe and others, it’s clear and everyone knows what this is leading to. One can only say that they have no brain, or they are blind and do not see obvious things ...
            ps let the Ukrainians forgive me for rude words.
            1. Anper
              Anper 5 February 2014 02: 11
              +1
              Quote: mirag2
              now if Ukrainians don’t enter what’s happening,

              So they also believe that in Europe there is socialism, paradise on earth, and Russia does not let them in. Not all, though. Therefore they don’t have a brain, or they are blind and don’t see obvious things ..
          2. DMB-78
            DMB-78 4 February 2014 16: 35
            +4
            no, we lose just the same tactically. and here. we’ll see what will be a strategic victory after the Olympics. in syria also lost tactically
          3. Alexei
            Alexei 4 February 2014 17: 22
            +6
            Quote: Vovka Levka
            The problem is in the people of Ukraine, there is a decline in confidence in Russia. And this is the most negative result. Friends are not those who hold their eggs, they are not friends, they are enemies in which their hands are temporarily tied.

            Let's talk about trust in Russia ... So the Ukrainian people (and many in our country) believe that in Russia, as well as in Ukraine itself, the criminal-oligarchic elite is in control, which means that there can be no changes for the better from cooperation between Russia and Ukraine. Right? Consequently, Yanyk, and the long-suffering people of Ukraine, are being held by the balls by Russian criminal-oligarchic women. What to do? ... Ah-ah, here's the way out: by the forces of the people to overthrow the existing government, at the prompts of the states to recruit a new one (which is not corrupt), and with peace of mind to join the EU on new super-favorable terms. Well, then - walk the flaw! Work (highly paid) - the sea! Live as you want, earn in Europe, spend at home, or earn at home and spend in Europe! "Our hearts demand changes ..."
            1. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 4 February 2014 18: 29
              +6
              Quote: Alexej

              Let's talk about trust in Russia ... So the Ukrainian people (and many in our country) believe that in Russia, as well as in Ukraine itself, the criminal-oligarchic elite is in control, which means that there can be no changes for the better from cooperation between Russia and Ukraine. Right? Consequently, Yanyk, and the long-suffering people of Ukraine, are being held by the balls by Russian criminal-oligarchic women. What to do? ... Ah-ah, here's the way out: by the forces of the people to overthrow the existing government, at the prompts of the states to recruit a new one (which is not corrupt), and with peace of mind to join the EU on new super-favorable terms. Well, then - walk the flaw! Work (highly paid) - the sea! Live as you want, earn in Europe, spend at home, or earn at home and spend in Europe! "Our hearts demand changes ..."

              Firstly, the power system in Russia and Ukraine is different, fundamentally different.
              Secondly, the oligarchs were, are and will be, and Russia, Ukraine, Europe, the USA and so on. The question is not about them, about the essence of the factors that influence their adoption of certain decisions. They are alone in Russia, others in Ukraine, third in Europe, fourth in the USA and so on. The main question is in the methods of influence, in Ukraine this reverse power has become absolutely miserable and therefore we have what we have. Russia has built its own counterbalance system, which is quite effective, but its weakest point is the human factor. Well, this is the internal business of Russia. The task is to find the best feedback methods, and they must be sought and the best must be taken.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 18: 47
                +7
                Quote: Vovka Levka
                The main question is in the methods of influence, in Ukraine this reverse power has become absolutely miserable and therefore we have what we have. Russia has built its own counterbalance system, which is quite effective, but its weakest point is the human factor. Well, this is the internal business of Russia. The task is to find the best feedback methods, and they must be sought and the best must be taken.

                Well said plus plus ...
                But.
                There is no unmistakable, ideal system of power in the world. In my opinion. There is no such panacea for government.
                1. Vovka levka
                  Vovka levka 4 February 2014 19: 17
                  +4
                  Quote: stalkerwalker

                  Well said plus plus ...
                  But.
                  There is no unmistakable, ideal system of power in the world. In my opinion. There is no such panacea for government.

                  Thanks of course.
                  There is no limit to perfection, but it is necessary.
                2. officer29
                  officer29 4 February 2014 22: 51
                  +3
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  There is no unmistakable, ideal system of power in the world.

                  The ideal form of power has always been dictatorship. hi Unfortunately, I don’t remember who said that ... request
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 22: 56
                    +3
                    Quote: officer29
                    The ideal form of power has always been dictatorship.

                    The dictatorship of the proletariat ended with the betrayal of party nomenclature. hi

                    PS Number 29 - is it by chance not the region of residence?
            2. ty60
              ty60 5 February 2014 02: 06
              +3
              while we earn in Russia, and spend in Ukraine. Earn in Geyropa, psheks will explain to you where whose bed is.
          4. yehat
            yehat 4 February 2014 17: 29
            +1
            we consider Ukraine in power as a place for profit, and not as a partner.
            moreover, the elite of Ukraine is to blame for this, which has greatly increased distrust in mutual relations. Would simplify the adoption of citizenship by Ukrainians who left for Russia - it would be better.
            1. 31231
              31231 4 February 2014 22: 30
              +8
              we consider Ukraine in power as a place for profit, and not as a partner.


              Another nonsense.
              They write gas on ?! Hold on! 1,5 million jobs? Hold on! Pay more for Sevastopol? Hold on! Credit? Hold on! Reduce the price of gas? Hold on!

              Why father in Belarus appreciates this, but the power of Ukraine and many are not here?

              But the most curious thing that we see in return for this? The western regions of Ukraine are abandoning the Russian language, Bendery is growing wildly. What is Russia to blame here?
              In general, at times such impudent and biting behavior causes only one SEND to the geyropu. Do not seek happiness there. And whoever wants from the regions of Votsok or the South, he will stretch out his brotherly hand without biting his teeth.

              You are being led into Russian nonsense Svidomo who claim that they have a negative attitude towards Russia due to the small number of gingerbread cookies. They need more! Go give them your last sheepskin coat, and instead of working, they will maidan in it, and change the kings fifteen times a day.
          5. shark
            shark 4 February 2014 17: 29
            +5
            I suppose I agree. I wrote a long time ago that one should not punish with gas prices (especially about the Russian eastern part), but propagandize, sponsor, create, help. It seems to me that our rulers (especially from the time of Medvedev) themselves believed in this false parade of sovereignty. And they didn’t even try to get around the situation. And the states systematically poured money on, brained their brains, gave a start to the life of the Ukrainian oligarchy. If someone thinks that these efforts can be overcome only by common roots and nothing more, he is cruelly mistaken. So It’s to blame Russia for Ukraine itself. More precisely, it’s not Russia, but those who, in theory, should defend its interests.
            1. ty60
              ty60 5 February 2014 02: 17
              +2
              My friend, why should the neighboring state be fed when everything is not going smoothly ?? let the neighbors strain themselves, then you can help. And when the mercenaries from the neighbors in Chechnya ... What are the gingerbread cookies, the club. But times change. -My neighbor will not build my cottage. If I myself drink beer at this time.
            2. mirag2
              mirag2 5 February 2014 06: 19
              0
              They did not believe, but pretended to believe, for this handful is the enemy of our state — its strengthening, consolidation.
          6. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 4 February 2014 17: 39
            +2
            Not all is lost yet ...
          7. GorynychZmey78
            GorynychZmey78 4 February 2014 20: 47
            +6
            You know, I’ll just laugh for a long time if Yanyk resigns early!
            and then again putting his condolence in the elections again he will win the prize race simply because of the lack of intelligible concessions from the party of the opacity (but not the right to put on the crown)) and then again will leave to the potam as a clear stump Bendera’s laughing vicious circle))
            it reminds a joke
            where 2 over the power are fighting for a key point on a hill forester's house and now they are at war they are fighting with varying success, but they can’t take the house))
            -Well and how did it end?
            -how did the forester turn around and disperse everyone laughing


            this is all I need request
          8. 31231
            31231 4 February 2014 22: 19
            +4
            The position of Russia, yes he is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch is fundamentally wrong.

            Yah?! Something serious ?! Woland told you this over a cup of rum?
            This is something new for me. I think I personally would say such a thing for Lukashenko, but not for Yanyka.
            It just seems to me that Putin realizes that if you bury Yanyk without finding a receiver, you can get Yushchenko.

            The problem is in the people of Ukraine, there is a decline in confidence in Russia.


            To be honest, it’s violet with whom and why it’s falling to whom. He who wants to live with Russia wipes his ambitious snot and holds out his hand of friendship. (Belarus and Kazakhstan). So in the Crimea begin to ripen http://qha.com.ua/rada-krima-obratitsya-k-rossii-za-zaschitoi-132995.h
            And you, with your ambitions, continue to live in an independent and independent state. Stuff your price further. Nekhay Geyropa fork out.
        3. smile
          smile 4 February 2014 16: 02
          +24
          Rus2012
          Well, what does either Brothers or Olympics mean? Aren't you surprised that a significant part of "sociality" somehow gives the Olympics some kind of sacred meaning? And for some reason, the creatives of this civility are trying to add ... sorry, to link the Olympics with the revolution (well, that's how it is now customary to call attempts to destroy Russia using the Maydauny brothers - the swamp, controlled by our geopolitical opponents), then with a default, then with the end of the world and the invasion of aliens .... :)))
          Why do you think that we cannot act simultaneously? I am able to arrange a holiday at home and support my neighbor morally and financially, not forgetting to fill the face of those who came to neighbors to rob and rob ... and all this in one day :))) You can do it the same way, though ? :))) So why do you think that our country cannot? :))) I think you should not get hung up on the Olympics and exaggerate its significance.

          By the way, what did you mean when you suggested. what is it worth "Sochi-2014" to send sideways, can you tell me? :))) Is it possible to announce that we are closing the games, refusing to hold them, since we are not able to simultaneously help the brothers and hold the Games? :))) Do you understand what consequences this will lead to? :)) Do you need to comment on your proposal? :))) Okay I will not. :)))
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 16: 07
            +2
            Quote: smile
            that a significant part of "sociality" somehow gives the Olympics some kind of sacred meaning?

            Hello Vladimir. hi Most of my friends are skeptical about the Olympics. I would not talk about sacredness.
            Quote: smile
            Is it possible to declare that we are closing the games, we are refusing to host them, because we are not able to simultaneously help our brothers and host the Games?

            I probably agree with this, the connections here are not obvious.
            1. smile
              smile 4 February 2014 18: 03
              +7
              Ingvar 72
              Hello Igor. Nevertheless, how bizarre and tortuous are the reasons for which we come to this or that opinion, do not you find? :))) Look here - remember how much joy and pride we had when we held the Olympics 80? Now what? Ordinary propaganda, already known to us from the time of perestroika, which has not changed one iota, leaving even the terminology of chants and main slogans practically inviolable - and hello, many of us are skeptical of our Olympics ... sad to hear this, admit it. Well, something happened to us all, huh?
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 18: 21
                +10
                Quote: smile
                Well, something happened to us all, huh?

                Vladimir, this is a good reason for all of us to think ...
                I think that, firstly, we have become more materialistic, we began to view ALMOST all events through the prism of distrust "... I don’t understand where they throw me ...".
                Secondly .... Somehow suspiciously quickly they "grew smarter" - they began to give advice on how to govern the country, to fight the imperialists, to solve problems in Ukraine. And all this - without getting off your favorite sofa. winked
                1. Partizan
                  Partizan 4 February 2014 19: 05
                  -3
                  So get off the couch - and on the Maidan, who's stopping you?
                  1. ty60
                    ty60 5 February 2014 02: 23
                    0
                    Tell me where is it? Pfghjcnj
                2. smile
                  smile 4 February 2014 20: 42
                  +7
                  stalkerwalker

                   Yes. You're right. After all, it has long been known that everyone can rule the state, except for those who are now in power. :)))
                  It is especially piquant that those who look with pathological distrust of everything that is happening in our country - at best, deceived people - are some potential victims of the political MMM. I am in favor of healthy skepticism, I myself am generally .... quite cynical ... but our all-companions are already a pathology - a complete loss of the ability to analyze ... a state close to the frenzied fanaticism of sectarians. On the one hand, they, in theory, need to be pitied - they say they were deceived, they were seduced by the old, gnawed bait ... on the other - and where are their mental abilities?
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 21: 02
                    +5
                    Quote: smile
                    but our all-enforcers are already pathology - a complete loss of the ability to analyze ... a state close to the frenzied fanaticism of the sectarians. On the one hand, they, in theory, need to be pitied - they say they were deceived, they were seduced by the old, gnawed bait ... on the other - where are their mental abilities?

                    Yeah ... Not fools ... It seems to be.
                    But it seems as if at least the state should give them a better life ... "... I will starve to death, but I will not tear my ass off the sofa ...".
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 18: 27
                +8
                Quote: smile
                Remember how much joy and pride we had when we held the Olympics 80? Now what?

                Then there was the One country, one can say a single organism that lived by common goals. Now it is a bunch of individuals separated by social, national, religious and other conventions. Then the Olympiad brought together millions of people, and we really were proud of our country. Now, against the background of a general mess in the economy, Serdyukovshchina, the revealed facts of cutting Olympic money, events in Ukraine, it is perceived by many as a feast during the plague. Then the purity of what was done was felt, now this is not. Unfortunately.
                1. smile
                  smile 4 February 2014 19: 47
                  +7
                  Ingvar 72
                  If you have not forgotten, they destroyed the USSR under the same slogans that they are now trying to destroy Russia. I can recall the slogans of the times - and compare them with the current ones ... for a change, I can do the same with what was shouted at Tiananmen Square ..... They will be the same. Do you understand what I'm talking about?
                  No one argues that we have a lot of mess. But we really crawl away from the abyss, the situation compared with the dive to the beginning of the two thousandth has changed dramatically. And including corruption. And do not convince me of the opposite - I know what I'm talking about. But when we dive - there were no such friendly cries.
                  I think it's worth adding two and two. I am simply amazed by the people who seriously talk about what is worse now than at the beginning of the XNUMXs. Or people have something with memory, or with a head. By the way, have you noticed who is voicing the autopsy of violations? Whose press is talking about this? Is it law enforcement? Is it not a "pro-government" press? And you don't need to poke me with Serdyukov - now corruption is not as total as in the nineties, when the whole country was ripped apart ... to the bottom, to the bottom ... Especially since our entire political-deputy-entrepreneurial environment was formed in the nineties, or rather, began formed even earlier - from representatives of the CPSU and, especially, the Komsomol, under the perestroika mantras. Do you think it is easy to change the psychology of millions of people? And I have to work now, with those who are. And never, in any country, not one of the most absolute monarchs, tyrants and all kinds of navuhodonossor :)) could rule without looking back at the groups and clans of persons that make up the power, on the written and unwritten laws. Otherwise, re-elections took place in the most democratic way - like a snuffbox over the head.

                  I repeat, we are far from everything perfect, full of mistakes and generally incomprehensible to me e = wonders of balancing act (like the same thing Serdyukov), but to become a person who codifies all our real achievements and successes, it is holy to believe that we are worse than we have it is impossible, in every possible way, to exaggerate failures and to believe every charlatan. what propagandizes, having received 30 pieces of silver at the American embassy - this is too much. What can such people do? What will they build? I answer - such people are incapable of anything! Generally. They have already died before the battle. And now these corpses are dragging the living. In 41 of these they put them to the wall - and they did it right. Imagine. what would be if the swamps at that time were allowed to conduct propaganda? But then they too were. Okay. I think you understand me.

                  And finally, look - our corruption is about the same as in the most developed countries of Europe, in the USA, countries of Eastern Europe and ... places like Lithuania or Romania - it is much higher. But there they do not howl and do not obsess about their achievements - they say, they write, but they do not howl and do not shit themselves .... The USA is generally a separate issue, there is no such theft anywhere else - look. every year they plunder a third of the military budget - and silence ... and corruption was generally legalized bashfully calling it lobbyism.
                  1. Penzyac
                    Penzyac 5 February 2014 20: 10
                    +1
                    "+" - I especially liked about lobbying.
              3. DMB-78
                DMB-78 4 February 2014 19: 25
                +2
                Quote: smile
                and hello, many of us are already skeptical about our Olympics

                Well, it seems to me that the generation that remembers the 80 Olympics is waiting and rejoicing at the 2014 Olympics. You will not forget the 80 holiday
                1. Jogan-xnumx
                  Jogan-xnumx 4 February 2014 20: 47
                  0
                  Quote: DMB-78
                  Well, it seems to me that the generation that remembers the 80 Olympics is waiting and rejoicing at the 2014 Olympics. You will not forget the 80 holiday

                  Well, I remember. I'm waiting. Not so much the Olympics as the muck that "well-wishers" are trying to put under it. And I'm not happy at all. What ???
                  1. DMB-78
                    DMB-78 4 February 2014 22: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: Jogan-64
                    And I’m not at all happy. What ???

                    maybe we have a difference in that, although I am a former, but an athlete? smile and I am very pleased that the strongest athletes will come to my homeland smile
                2. smile
                  smile 4 February 2014 20: 53
                  +2
                  DMB-78
                  Eh, how I would like you to be right ... but, unfortunately, not all .... Ingvar is right - many really just howl - I’m giving us an alimiyad - they’ll steal everything, all the polymers are beautiful ... t, and finally Putin nada to fire, and tada we feel better at once-everything will work out ..... instantly ... by itself .... myopia on the verge of madness ... :)))
                  Although, to be honest, I don’t feel much joy from the Olympics, and not only because there is no fan from me, because I got marsh and adjoining clicks. Partially, with their howls, they achieved the task assigned to them - to some extent they spoiled the mood of the people and the rarest sporting event for our country, which should unite the people and not separate them ... well, as planned by those who wrote them manuals. :)))
                  1. DMB-78
                    DMB-78 4 February 2014 22: 48
                    +2
                    Quote: smile
                    to some extent spoiled the mood of people and the rarest sporting holiday for our country, which should unite the people, and not disconnect it.

                    and the government itself tried without them. after all, it was possible to tell clearly and distinctly on all channels not how much was stolen, but what devidents the Olympic Games will bring to us)
                    1. smile
                      smile 4 February 2014 23: 54
                      0
                      DMB-78
                      It is truth too. But imagine. what kind of opposition the oppositionists would have raised if the revealed facts were hushed up - they will find a hole in the water and you won’t be able to conceal it .... We taught aphids to chernukha ... analogy - it’s easy to teach a child to swear, but to wean ....: )))
            2. 31231
              31231 4 February 2014 22: 35
              +6
              Most of my friends are skeptical about the Olympics. I would not talk about sacredness.


              Already at 1,5 billion bucks only advertising contracts. In Vancouver, it was 1 billion.
              And you are stubborn as a turkey, "No, I do not believe."
              Hockey tickets were only for one match.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 22: 55
                +5
                Quote: 31231
                Hockey tickets were only for one match.

                Senegal - New Zealand? request
          2. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 4 February 2014 17: 51
            +3
            Quote: smile
            smile (2) Today, 16:02 PM ↑ New
            Rus2012
            Well, what does it mean, or Brothers, or the Olympics? ...


            And what, in fact, prevented the authorities, in parallel with the development of funds for the Olympics (track, World Championship), to invest in the creation of pro-Russian forces in Ukraine? Without hesitation, how do the sowers of "democracy" do it?
            1. smile
              smile 4 February 2014 18: 25
              +11
              Semen Semyonitch
              First, the cultivation of pro-someone's forces takes not years, but decades. Orange trash has been grown for decades. Almost the entire "elite" of Ukraine, which appeared there in the nineties, are the fosterlings of a huge project that arose on a foundation built back in the 19th century, creatively developed by the Nazis and taken up by our sworn friends. This project - "Bloc of enslaved peoples", was created by the Nazis by the hands of Bandera and even without changing the name of those who passed under the CIA's hands ... by inheritance, so to speak.
              With the Elbon we lost almost all positions there, we lost continuity. And then we had to work from scratch, with those who are. Yes, plus also the inevitable mistakes in the most severe skillful opposition.
              To make such harsh assessments that our "Vlast" does nothing is to sign up for an absolute misunderstanding of the mechanism of the process. Or are you seriously thinking. that it is enough to give someone billions and everything will work out by itself? :))) Well, this is ...... Continue further? :)))

              2. And why did you decide that Russia is not doing anything? Because the top officials of Russia declare that they do not interfere in the affairs of a sovereign state? :)) Well. right. don't think so ... this is childhood. honestly. :)))

              3. And you don’t think that for a quarter of a century Ukrainians have been subjected to massive propaganda that Russia has always enslaved, oppressed and genocide Ukrainians? A whole generation has grown. Of course, at least half do not believe in nonsense, being sane people. But part and believed, all the same, total propaganda is a terrible force, worse than beauty. :))) And a significant part, not believing at all in nonsense, believes it partially ... hesitates. And if we do not hesitate and our very crude actions to form pro-Russian forces in a Western manner come out, can you imagine what will happen? All hesitating will take the side of the bandarlogs, our supporters will lose moral superiority over those who wish to put Ukraine in front of the West with cancer. We will lose moral advantages and ourselves will turn into dragons (I hope, remember this tale). It’s hard to imagine a better gift for bandarlogs.
              Nevertheless, sometimes it is worthwhile to think carefully before criticizing, please forgive me.
              1. siberalt
                siberalt 4 February 2014 19: 11
                +3
                That's right, uv. smile!
                + 100500!
                1. Semen Semyonitch
                  Semen Semyonitch 5 February 2014 22: 55
                  -1
                  Quote: siberalt
                  That's right, uv. smile!
                  + 100500!

                  What is true? What millions of our compatriots in the near abroad are second-class people? And no coherent policy to support and return?
              2. siberalt
                siberalt 4 February 2014 19: 11
                +2
                That's right, uv. smile!
                + 100500!
              3. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch 5 February 2014 22: 51
                -1
                You want to say that money does not matter? They play, they just need to have a head attached to them. No need to reinvent the wheel, see how the states do it, and do the same for yourself. Especially in a country where the starting conditions were originally (and still are) in our favor. It was just that everything was left to chance. No need to shield the inaction and shortsightedness of our authorities. They were more concerned about their own rating and the game of changing chairs. No need to puff out your cheeks and build yourself into a very knowledgeable person. Also, we’re not slurping cabbage soup ... The failure of politics in the post-Soviet space is undeniable. You can prove the opposite with the foam at your mouth - facts are stubborn things. The fact that all our compatriots in the near abroad were left to their own devices is a merit not only of the EBN, but also of the current government, which has been steering for the 14th year already. Yours faithfully hi
          3. ty60
            ty60 5 February 2014 02: 21
            +2
            He himself knows the direction. There he goes.
        4. optimist
          optimist 4 February 2014 16: 12
          -3
          Quote: Rus2012
          ... it remains to stand DAY and NIGHT hold out, i.e. until February 23 ... Or send Sochi 2014 to the side, for its brothers are still more expensive ...

          I would very much like to hope that after this "holiday of stupid show-offs" something will really begin to be done by our government ...
        5. Mhpv
          Mhpv 4 February 2014 16: 37
          +3
          Росбалт, 03/02/2014 21:30
          KIEV, 3 February. The information that the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych plans to visit Sochi as part of the Winter Olympics was confirmed by the acting Ukrainian Foreign Minister Leonid Kozhara.
          "The visit of the President of Ukraine to Sochi is planned," Interfax-Ukraine quotes Kozhara.
          Earlier it was reported that the presidential administration of Ukraine instructed the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry to prepare a visit of Viktor Yanukovych to Russia, which will be held later this week. During the visit, a meeting between the Ukrainian president and his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, should be held.
          The XXII Winter Olympics will be held in Sochi from 7 to 23 on February.
          Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2014/02/03/1228795.html
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 4 February 2014 16: 39
            +5
            Poland: After the Olympics, Putin will tackle Ukraine
            MIGnews.com.ua

            Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk warns Europe that the situation in Ukraine may worsen after the Sochi Olympics. It is reported with reference to its sources "Polish Radio".

            According to unofficial information of the publication, Tusk warns European leaders that after the games in Sochi, Russia will again begin to actively intervene in the internal situation in Ukraine. Warsaw fears a massive influx of refugees from Ukraine.

            Warsaw is also preparing a springboard for another scenario, if the opposition agrees to head the government in Ukraine, Ukrainian Pravda reports.

            Polish Radio writes that Tusk, during a meeting with European Commission President Jose Barroso, called on Europe to be prepared for a possible gas crisis.

            "Because Russia can turn off the gas tap for Ukraine, and users in Europe will also feel it," the newspaper writes.

            Donald Tusk in recent days has called for a common position in all EU countries regarding Ukraine.

            However, the EU, it seems, is not ready to talk about any separate financial support for Ukraine, but only to assist in negotiations with the IMF and the EBRD.
            As you know, the ex-president of Poland, Alexander Kwasniewski, also called on Europe to find additional financial resources for Ukraine if the opposition heads the government and Russia refuses to provide the promised financial assistance.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 4 February 2014 16: 50
              +1
              Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk


              Read as Donald Tuck. X)
            2. Alexei
              Alexei 4 February 2014 17: 29
              +1
              Quote: mhpv
              As you know, the ex-president of Poland, Alexander Kwasniewski, also called on Europe to find additional financial resources for Ukraine,

              Something painfully looks like some kind of fraud, like first the girl needs to be drunk, and only then ... smile
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 18: 26
                +6
                Quote: Alexej
                Quote: mhpv
                As you know, the ex-president of Poland, Alexander Kwasniewski, also called on Europe to find additional financial resources for Ukraine,
                Something painfully looks like some kind of fraud, like at first the girl needs to be drunk

                Jose Manuel Barroso, the leader of the Euro-pack, said that Europe will not give ANY money (even for the revolutionary) to Ukraine.
                1. Lelek
                  Lelek 5 February 2014 00: 43
                  +2
                  Barroso is a cardboard fool who is pulled by a rope, and she gives out the voice acting that the owner invented. On that stood and will stand the E-Parliament and the E-Commission. And the music for the E-girls is ordered by the Anglo-Saxons. bully
            3. ty60
              ty60 5 February 2014 02: 39
              +1
              yes violet. On the northern stream, all the CS (COMPRESSOR) stations are running, but no one can sense Ukraine and Poland. Yes, and they will be able to receive from the network from the opposite direction. All this is the next hat.
        6. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 4 February 2014 17: 37
          -2
          Quote: Rus2012
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Let's hope that in the Ukrainian question Vova will correspond to her reputation in foreign policy games.

          ... it remains to stand DAY and NIGHT hold out, i.e. until February 23 ...
          Or Sochi-2014 sideways to send, because their brothers are still more expensive ...


          If 1/5 of the money spent on the Olympics (Formula 1 track, the World Cup) would be spent on maintaining our interests in Ukraine, now Ukraine would be with us. Short-sightedness? I doubt it ... Banal greed ...
          1. ty60
            ty60 5 February 2014 02: 43
            0
            Semen Semenych, provide your army or you will have to feed someone else's
        7. vezunchik
          vezunchik 4 February 2014 18: 01
          +4
          US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul is retiring and plans to leave Moscow after the Sochi Olympics. The American's reasons for this are deeply personal. "I just have to go back to my family," McFaul said on his blog. On Twitter, the ambassador noted that the departure will take place in February.
          HERE SO HERE .... THE NERVES HAVE ... AND BISMARK WARNED - DO NOT CREEP INTO RUSSIA ..
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        9. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 5 February 2014 05: 29
          +1
          So the question is so that the brothers understand that they are also Russian and not the artificially created nationality of the borderlands, when they realize that they are being fooled by the principle of divide and rule, then Maidans and other shit will end for loafers dancing to the tune of the British and sponsored by green paper to spoil Russia, and they don’t understand in any way that they are also the Great Country of Russia, and not the artificially invented outskirts.
      2. domokl
        domokl 4 February 2014 16: 01
        +12
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And the longer the pronunciation of this phrase is delayed, the more blood will be shed later.

        You write beautifully ... Only blood will flow even if these words are pronounced. Only blood is no longer only the citizens of Ukraine, but also the citizens of Russia, and even more truly other countries.
        I just imagined myself in the place of a simple Ukrainian ... A hard worker who got tired of everything ... They got the maidans, got a mess, got Yanukovych ... But I happened to be a citizen of an independent country ... And as soon as some friends, brothers , sisters and others will climb into my country to put things in order, I will take up arms ... This is my country and decide how I will live in it and people like me ...
        Those. you call for a war between Russia and Ukraine .. The head should be turned on before writing ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 16: 15
          +6
          Quote: domokl
          Only blood will flow if these words are spoken
          Do you still hope for a peaceful outcome? I doubt it more and more.
          Quote: domokl
          Those. you call for a war between Russia and Ukraine .. The head should be turned on before writing ..

          I do not urge. But it’s time for Vova to declare loudly that Ukraine is primarily the sphere of Russia's strategic interests, and we are ready to defend them. The United States is not shy in declaring its interests. hi
          1. domokl
            domokl 4 February 2014 16: 27
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Do you still hope for a peaceful outcome?

            The development of events I have long described in my comments. Unfortunately, there can be no peaceful development between east and west. I hope that the Russians have the brains not to get involved in a serious war ... The civilian will not be as bloody as between Ukraine and By Russia.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But it’s time for Vova to declare loudly that Ukraine is primarily the sphere of Russia's strategic interests,

            Poor information ... There are already a lot of such statements. The last in Munich. So you blame Putin for shyness in vain.
            The mess, it seems to me, can begin from February 6 to 8 ... Such a tradition appears in our country ... The armies on both sides are ready, the weapons have been dug up, it remains to come up with a provocation ... And it started ...
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 18: 45
              +5
              Quote: domokl
              Civil will not be so bloody

              In Syria, it is also civilian, but the US is actively helping militants. Why do you think that in Ukraine it will be different? Most likely they will immediately send troops under the auspices of the UN into the western regions controlled by the Maydan. By the way, this explains why they storm and seize authorities in the regions; the UN will be able to enter only areas controlled by the maydanut. I think we will simply have to intervene, otherwise the Yugoslav scenario is provided there. Although probably it cannot be avoided anyway, only its results depend on us.
              1. domokl
                domokl 4 February 2014 20: 25
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                In Syria, it is also civilian, but the US is actively helping militants

                Do you have evidence? Except of course, intelligence from the OBS An ideological war is going on and will go on, but practically the Americans don’t supply anything to the militants ... There are other countries for this.
                Why do you think that the UN can enter only the western regions? The UN is an organization of united nations. And if sanctions are adopted, the MCs will come to all regions. And the Russian Federation, by the way, is one of the 5 countries that are permanent members of the UN Security Council.
              2. Penzyac
                Penzyac 5 February 2014 20: 34
                +1
                Without the consent of Russia, there will not be any UN auspices (a decision of the Security Council is required), and the deployment of NATO troops is already a direct intervention, which is equivalent to declaring war on Russia and the CSTO. This even Brzezinski would not advise.
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 5 February 2014 00: 48
            +3
            Bravo! I am joining. A civilian sailors to refuse a visit to the Crimea in connection with the swine flu epidemic. soldier
        2. Bigriver
          Bigriver 4 February 2014 16: 26
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          ...Those. you call for a war between Russia and Ukraine ...

          Truly so!
          As a result of "simple and courageous resheniya" will be presented with the flag of all evil, under which she will collect proud ukrov against the aggressors-mos ... her.
        3. old rocket man
          old rocket man 4 February 2014 19: 03
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          . But I, as it happened, is a citizen of an independent country ... And as soon as some friends, brothers, sisters and others get into my country to put things in order, I will take up arms ... This is my country and I will decide how to live in it and the same as me ..


          Very correct words have already gotten these delights that the president and the government are not doing anything and are not interfering in Ukrainian events.
          The authority of Russian foreign policy has grown precisely because Russia in fact respects sovereignty Allcountries hi
          1. domokl
            domokl 4 February 2014 20: 29
            +3
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            The authority of Russian foreign policy has grown precisely because Russia in fact respects the sovereignty of ALL EXTRA

            It's just that computer war guys have never seen real brains on the cab of a car ... just owned by the driver ...
      3. optimist
        optimist 4 February 2014 16: 09
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Let's hope that in the Ukrainian question Vova will correspond to her reputation in foreign policy games.

        It seems that this is the only thing that remains for us ... If Vova had not "clicked his beak" earlier, this mess would not have existed in Ukraine now.
        "The current rulers of the Russian Federation are also afraid to anger their American" partners "and keep repeating about non-interference, about the" territorial integrity of Ukraine, "although the Western media exaggerate" Russian pressure on Yanukovych, "they play ducks about the provocations of" Russian agents "in Kiev ..."
        Very well and precisely said. I have a question for all putinoids on this forum: tell me, naive one, why did Americans living on the other side of the world manage to realize their scenario in Ukraine, while the "great, mighty and perspicacious" GDP does not? Vova mumbled something vague about "non-interference in other people's affairs", and his Lavrov was specifically sent nah .. in Munich? Why do Americans now have some kind of Klitschko (as a potential president of Ukraine), but we have no one (we do not consider Yanukovych as a Judas-idiot-petty criminal)? And these "why" for me and for many people who are not indifferent to the fate of Ukraine and Russia, a great many ...
        1. DMB-78
          DMB-78 4 February 2014 16: 45
          +2
          Quote: optimist
          vaguely mumbled about "non-interference in other people's affairs",

          how is it slurred? but how clearly? fist on the table? he said correctly, say differently, you will open your cards.
        2. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 4 February 2014 19: 11
          +1
          Quote: optimist
          Why do the Americans now have some kind of Klitschko (as a potential president of Ukraine), but we don’t have anyone (we don’t think we’re a jerk-idiot-petty criminal Yanukovych)

          We hope at the right time, our joker will jump out of the sleeve. Will wait.
          1. optimist
            optimist 4 February 2014 22: 30
            +1
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            We hope at the right time, our joker will jump out of the sleeve. Will wait.

            Think what you say ... fool Even in Papuania, "jokers" are not elected for president. Our humpbacked one, who destroyed the USSR, was "fed" and led to power for decades. Even Vovana has been promoting for almost 2 years ... And here everything should be decided in the next month and a half, while the limpiyada will go on. So "ours" will not have time to "feed" the "joker". For 23 years they could not ...
            1. ty60
              ty60 5 February 2014 02: 51
              0
              Success. One of the trio. Harness the brains, all on the surface.
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 5 February 2014 14: 56
          +4
          tell me, naive, why the Americans living on the other side of the globe managed to realize their scenario in Ukraine,

          And where do you see what the amerikosov did? Alexey, I, a witness of the two Bishkek revolutions, will tell you what it means. The first revolution began on the morning of March 24, 2005, and by late afternoon President Akayev waved his hand to his people. This revolution was paid for and prepared by the Americans. Second revolution; unrest in the republic began on April 6, on April 7 crowds of "revolutionaries" began to gather at the headquarters of Forum LLC, the home of Mr. Atambayev (the current president), and by evening President Bakiyev fled to Jalalabad with a subsequent move to Minsk. This revolution was paid for. Moscow and China. In retaliation for "crazy Moscow", Washington staged a fratricidal massacre in Osh. This is how, dear Alexey, revolutions are made! And what is happening in Kiev. says only that neither the puppeteers, nor the performers simply do not know what to do next, because nothing happened, but to show that they did not have enough spirit.
      4. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 4 February 2014 16: 22
        +10
        Guys, I know that is not the topic, but these evropid.a.ry defiled our anthem sad am crying :

        1. ioann1
          ioann1 4 February 2014 16: 28
          +10
          Nothing, they will answer before God! Sodom and Gomorrah also considered themselves right, and burned in the fire ... This prospect is quite real!
          1. sssla
            sssla 4 February 2014 17: 14
            +3
            Quote: ioann1
            Nothing, they will answer before God

            What is easier for us to live from this!? Yeah pocket wider
            Quote: ioann1
            Sodom and Gomorrah also considered themselves right, and burned in the fire

            Why aren't these pidoevroheitsi burning now? You don’t want to ask him? It is not easier for me and my children and other parents and their offspring from the fact that the Hebrew Bible says that someone sinful can be burned (which has not been proven by anyone). This question will be asked of your mother starting from INDIAN kids and ending with Yugoslav and Iraqi with Syria in addition !!! Question --- WHERE A COSTER WITH A Frying Pan!? bl
            1. Shuriken
              Shuriken 5 February 2014 02: 50
              0
              Father (albeit temporarily suspended from service) Father John (Okhlobystin) said that he was ready to personally burn 3,14 gifts in the furnace!
        2. alex-s
          alex-s 4 February 2014 17: 07
          +2
          Perverts are coming !!! angry
        3. shark
          shark 4 February 2014 17: 38
          +5
          It wondered pretty much. Especially when they sang "Russia is our sacred state" Yes, it will never be yours. And if it does, it will no longer be Russia.
          The dream has a meteor, a kilometer in diameter from a single piece of enriched uranium, infected with an incurable infection, falling in the center of Europe. And that would blow the wind to the USA
        4. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 4 February 2014 20: 50
          0
          And why not at the state level to file a note of protest, as an insult to the honor and dignity of an entire nation? This is pure provocation. If I’m not mistaken, the Swedes concocted the video. How will they, for example, react if, under their anthem, a video about the reprisals of Germans against Jews or apartheid of blacks is bungled ...
        5. Alex toll
          Alex toll 5 February 2014 17: 02
          0
          Their snow is not so filled up !!! Cool down Homos.tin, otherwise nuclear will come)
      5. yehat
        yehat 4 February 2014 17: 24
        +2
        You do not understand. Vova is an operations specialist. In Syria, was success achieved? Specific small-format operation. And in Ukraine it is necessary to restore influence for a long and painful day after day. This is not part of it.
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 4 February 2014 15: 50
      +9
      Quote: makst83
      I understand that according to the rank of the president or the minister of foreign affairs, one cannot say asashay, this Semtian-Negro gang: "I gave your opinion a spin, and the axis was my genital organ." But someone has to say THIS!



      I think in due time Vladimir Vladimirovich and this idea will express quite clearly. He has enough vocabulary.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 15: 57
        +3
        Quote: Geisenberg
        He has enough vocabulary.

        What he knows how to say, we all know. Ukraine is like a litmus test for him, let's see what will happen after the Olympics. hi
      2. optimist
        optimist 4 February 2014 16: 58
        -2
        Quote: Geisenberg
        He has enough vocabulary.

        Vocabulary is enough for any of us. The trouble is that specific cases and results are not visible ....
        1. olviko
          olviko 4 February 2014 18: 55
          +2
          "The trouble is that no concrete deeds and results are visible."

          Well, the tantrum started again. "The guard, Putin is surrendering Ukraine!" or, in a patriotic version of a redder hue, "All the polymers were a Putin American spy!" Can someone from the mourners and all-weepers explain that you have lost something? Desirable on points.
          1. optimist
            optimist 4 February 2014 22: 32
            +2
            Quote: olviko
            Can someone from the mourners and all-weepers explain that you have lost something? Desirable on points.

            They will tell you about it in zombies during the next two months ...
        2. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 4 February 2014 20: 29
          +1
          Quote: optimist
          The trouble is that specific cases and results are not visible ....

          I just thought it was a sinful thing, but did not Vovk turn over our beloved Mac "Fail" !!!!
          And what. How come and Wall Street will buzz fellow laughing
          It is necessary to write a letter to Veliky Ustyug, so that there, the grandfather would play around longer on the ocean, well, he looked at Independence for a week.
        3. DMB-78
          DMB-78 4 February 2014 22: 55
          0
          Quote: optimist
          The trouble is that specific cases and results are not visible ....

          do not count your chickens before they are hatched
        4. ty60
          ty60 5 February 2014 02: 57
          0
          and the levers of influence, my friend? There are a lot of goldfish here who understand the essence - I’m not trying to guess. And the pain points of partners at our level are far from always obvious.
        5. Serg65
          Serg65 5 February 2014 15: 05
          +4
          Well, why are the results not visible? Maidan when did it start? Where is he now? Yes, everything is there, in the same place! Also, Lenin said that the main thing in the revolution is banks and a telegraph .... rather than a square in the city center wassat
    3. Arhj
      Arhj 4 February 2014 17: 04
      +2
      I looked at the photo of the leaders of the Ukrainian "Semtsko-Negro gang". Well, exactly - Coward, Goonies, Experienced. Who of them who I think you will understand.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 4 February 2014 15: 15
    +15
    Yes, the conductors are the same.

    And the swamp movement in RUSSIA constantly wants to revive.
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 4 February 2014 15: 52
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      Yes, the conductors are the same.

      And the swamp movement in RUSSIA constantly wants to revive.



      Get zombies. It was simple, but it will also be stinky.
    2. AVV
      AVV 4 February 2014 16: 13
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      Yes, the conductors are the same.

      And the swamp movement in RUSSIA constantly wants to revive.

      In Russia, it didn’t work, so the Washington Steryatniks switched to Ukraine !!! Do not feed bread, but shove your unshaven ha.ryu into other people's affairs !!!
    3. shark
      shark 4 February 2014 17: 40
      +1
      They’re sending McFolk home. He hasn’t justified it. Now they’ll probably send us the ambassador to Ukraine. He’s very active ....
    4. morpogr
      morpogr 4 February 2014 18: 13
      +3
      He had already been fired; he lost the confidence of the State Department for embezzlement of money. There was a lot of money and there was no revolution and there were not too many revolutionaries.
  3. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 4 February 2014 15: 17
    +14
    Lord, save Ukraine from such "friends" who crave SLAVIC BLOOD! And without civil, it is impossible to join the west of Ukraine to the "coveted EU"? I’m getting scared for the Ukrainians.
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 4 February 2014 15: 36
      +5
      Quote: ia-ai00
      And without civil, it is impossible to join the west of Ukraine to the "coveted EU"?

      You can, of course, hold a nationwide referendum, but any result will be disputed by the discontented. Urgent start printing passports of a citizen of Eastern Ukraine. It is known to whom the East gravitates, Banderlogs themselves will not want to, but we need that.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 4 February 2014 15: 57
        +15
        Guys, do not believe it, I thought it was a joke, Galichani or fell from an oak, or are confident in a particular patronage:

        No legitimate government - no taxes! ": Lviv announces a" tax boycott "to Kiev

        Today, January 3, in Lviv, under the walls of the regional administration of the Ministry of Incomes, members of a public organization, the Lviv Committee of Entrepreneurs (KPL) called on Lviv businessmen not to pay taxes. This was reported to a REGNUM correspondent in the KPL press service.

        The protesters chanted: "There is no legitimate government - no taxes!", After which they announced a "tax boycott" to Kiev.

        According to a member of the CPL Roman Zafievsky, 40% of the budget of Ukraine consists of receipts from the payment of income tax and value added tax. "We do not refuse to pay the Unified Social Contribution to the Pension Fund, from which social payments are made. We will also pay taxes to the local budget. But we suspend the payment of value added tax and income tax. It is from this money that Berkut and the presidential administration are withheld. ", - said Zafievsky.

        In turn, the deputy chairman of the CPL Yaroslav Rushchishin called on Lviv entrepreneurs to boycott the payment of taxes to the state budget until a "government of national trust" is elected. "I urge entrepreneurs from all over Ukraine to organize a maidan at their enterprise in this way. Dear businessmen, entrepreneurs, citizens - all taxpayers! We declare an economic boycott of the ruling regime! It is from our pockets that the activities of special forces are financed, special means and weapons are bought for dispersing and shooting peaceful rallies and demonstrations all over Ukraine! Stop feeding the flock of embezzlers and criminals who came to power, turned the country's economy into ruins, continues to shamelessly plunder the entire Ukrainian people and drive our children into debt! We call to suspend the payment of taxes to the state budget until the "government national trust ", which will spend the taxes we paid to finance health care, education, science, the construction of roads and other needs of the people!" - Ruschishin said.



        Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1762225.html#ixzz2sLzWOH7j
        Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 4 February 2014 16: 32
          +13
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          No legitimate government - no taxes! ": Lviv announces a" tax boycott "to Kiev


          Did you find gold? Or did you find platinum deposits near Lvov ... and diamonds deposits near Ternopol, and gas and oil deposits near Ivano-Frankivsk? „Diamond smoke floated in the corners of the room ..“

        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 4 February 2014 16: 43
          +8
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          No legitimate government - no taxes! ": Lviv announces a" tax boycott "to Kiev

          Lviv is a subsidized region, breaking economic ties with Kiev is like signing a death sentence for yourself ..
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 18: 56
            0
            Quote: DEfindER
            Lviv subsidized region, break economic ties with Kiev

            This is a precedent for disobeying central authority. That is why they seize the authorities. The first steps to divide Ukraine. I think the West will take on these subsidies, at least for the first time.
        3. DMB-78
          DMB-78 4 February 2014 16: 51
          +6
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          We will also pay taxes to the local budget. But we suspend the payment of value added tax and income tax. It is from this money that Berkut and the presidential administration are being kept, "Zafievsky said.

          maybe they began to drink a Molotov cocktail? prepared a lot, nowhere to go
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 4 February 2014 17: 07
            +22
            Quote: DMB-78
            maybe they began to drink a Molotov cocktail? prepared a lot, nowhere to go


            Well, yes, and snack on tires. About such a poem
            I have been abducted by Russian special forces
            Author Eva Merkuryeva.

            I have been abducted by Russian special forces.
            I was in the dungeons, chained, cried.
            The fact that the Russians understood immediately:
            Each "okal" and each "akal".

            I was not dressed for the weather.
            Starving. I lost ten grams.
            And the special forces ate Russian vodka
            And threatened to hang me.

            The balalaika sang angrily
            And the special forces drove round dances.
            Crucified me every now and then
            These are Russians. Here!

            They gave me a shift.
            I am all in wounds, but strong in spirit!
            And they beat the dumplings,
            And then they cut off my ear

            And they gave it to the bear -
            He is inseparable from special forces.
            I do not rave ... No ... I do not rave ...
            I am conscious, but tormented.

            How much health I lost!
            And I’m not ashamed to admit it.
            On the T-shirt are streams of blood
            And on the belly no traces are visible.

            This is now being beaten in Russian,
            Wrapping a bat in a quilted jacket,
            Well, after boots, to the load,
            That generally threw back hooves.

            What they wanted - I did not understand right away,
            Life scrolled film:
            I am abducted by Russian special forces,
            Special forces cuts the ear with an accent.

            Oh and the fighters’s look is unkind,
            Fists are stopudovye weights.
            I smell - it smells like the Kurgan SOBR,
            So, they will wet in the toilet.

            And the bear howls in the corner
            It got wet in my pants to horror.
            I looked closely - two bears.
            Reached the damned Putin!


            How did I go out and how did I escape?
            How did the special forces outfit?
            Chimes fight on Spasskaya tower
            They made them distract for a moment ...

            Then I took myself off the crucifix -
            And through the forest to the village of tear!
            And now I'm in Europe, brothers!
            Glad for the most tomatoes !!!
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 4 February 2014 17: 13
              +3
              Author Eva Merkuryeva-Stanislav and her in EUROPE chtoli cut off the tomatoes and changed the floor, in poems like a man was smile
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 17: 25
              +7
              Quote: Ascetic
              The balalaika sang angrily
              And drove special forces round dance.
              Crucified me every now and then
              These are Russians. Here ...!

              And they say that words cannot be ejected from a song ... belay
              Our moderators may not laughing
            3. ty60
              ty60 5 February 2014 03: 06
              0
              Well, the young lady of the Kurgan Sobrovtsa wants!
        4. shark
          shark 4 February 2014 17: 42
          +2
          And who in Ukraine are zapadents fed? I thought such in nature can not exist ..
        5. ty60
          ty60 5 February 2014 03: 03
          0
          Yes, just close the entrance to Russia. Let yourself try to earn money by ass while sitting on a chair.
      2. predator.3
        predator.3 4 February 2014 16: 29
        +9
        Even at the very last moment, the Yanukovych’s government itself, having read the document finally prepared for signing, realized that all this was a pipe dream, and in fact, the Association with the EU would doom Ukraine only for many years to fulfill European requirements and standards with costs of about 160 billions of euros, which would inevitably lead to the collapse of the Ukrainian economy. With the numbers in hand, the Ukrainian government could not help but conclude that the only salvation route is the Customs Union with Russia. This was the only reason for the irritation of the West and the only reason for the “Euro Maidan” and the new revolution.


        This policy of shying away from Russia to the West and back gave the Banderas a reason to go out to the square, Janek has already begun to stutter about early elections, which he will naturally lose, and what remains for him is to flee (naturally to Russia) or exchange bunks with Tymoshenko! It is a pity that Yulia is not "pro-Russian", she would have arranged "Tiananmen Square" without hesitation with this maydanut, not a woman, but a devil in a skirt!
        1. Orik
          Orik 4 February 2014 17: 37
          +5
          Quote: predator.3
          not a woman, but a devil in a skirt!

          Well, don’t demonize when Putin raped her and went to a press conference as a naughty first grader from strict dad
  4. Megatron
    Megatron 4 February 2014 15: 19
    +20
    It seems to me that Putin in his silence just confuses the enemies. He probably has a couple of trump cards in his sleeve. Well, who would have thought who would send our troops to Ossetia and beat Saakashvili?
    I think when the time is right, Russia will put the SHAH and MAT in one blow to our enemies here too.
    1. slon53
      slon53 4 February 2014 15: 50
      +16
      God grant that it be so. And for the Ukrainian Slavs it’s really scary.
    2. optimist
      optimist 4 February 2014 17: 01
      +10
      Quote: Megatron
      It seems to me that Putin in his silence just confuses the enemies.

      "Normal heroes always go around!" There was such a funny song in the children's film "Aibolit-66". I also remember the immortal phrase from the movie "12 chairs": "Kitty, - make a smart look and puff out your cheeks !!!" laughing
    3. btsypulin
      btsypulin 4 February 2014 17: 42
      +3
      Quote: Megatron
      It seems to me that Putin in his silence just confuses the enemies. He probably has a couple of trump cards in his sleeve. Well, who would have thought who would send our troops to Ossetia and beat Saakashvili?
      I think when the time is right, Russia will put the SHAH and MAT in one blow to our enemies here too.


      Good afternoon! What could be a different scenario with Ossetia? After all, they killed including Russian peacekeepers!
    4. shark
      shark 4 February 2014 17: 45
      0
      I doubt terribly. Rather, confusion and the same feelings as a latecomer to the train. I have to look anyway. If I was wrong, publicly apologize. I made a mark for myself.
    5. officer29
      officer29 4 February 2014 23: 59
      +1
      In 2008 it was easier - South Ossetians were 90% Russian citizens!
  5. sxn278619
    sxn278619 4 February 2014 15: 20
    +1
    http://www.odnako.org/blogs/o-trillere-venediktov-vs-maydanshchiki/
    The view of a journalist. Who benefits from a split in Ukraine.
    1. zzz
      zzz 4 February 2014 16: 13
      +1
      Quote: sxn278619
      The view of a journalist. Who benefits from a split in Ukraine.


      Yes, to whom it is beneficial, everyone has already understood! ... To many it is beneficial, except for the people!

      We would now understand what further it will be beneficial to do: extend the sick leave to Yanukovych? Do not eat meat and sprats from Europe, or leopards touch in a rehabilitation center in Sochi?
    2. philip
      philip 4 February 2014 16: 15
      0
      http://www.odnako.org/blogs/o-trillere-venediktov-vs-maydanshchiki/
      Veniticitis after hours. Or maybe he is also scared?
  6. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 15: 20
    +2
    ... This resembles the situation in Russia in 1917 ... However, at that time a party (Bolsheviks) was found in a crumbling Russia, which, no matter how initially anti-Russian it was, first of all took up the restoration of the management system, state-forming institutions ...

    ... If there was real Russian power in Russia, it would be able to quite successfully contribute to this, relying on the will of the now divided, triune Russian people ...

    ... The current rulers of the Russian Federation are also afraid to anger their American "partners" and insist on non-intervention, on the "territorial integrity of Ukraine", although the Western media exaggerate "Russian pressure on Yanukovych", launch ducks about the provocations of "Russian agents" in Kiev ...


    If the author of the article has a CPSU party card in his heart as Klaas’s ashes, then what does Ukraine have to do with it?
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 4 February 2014 16: 12
      +7
      As for the 17 years of analogy can be done, Everything is approximately SO ....
      There is a WAR against the Slavs (for 20 years already)) simply no one sees it, cunning, positional with the use of IUD in power ... moreover, the Slavs are pitted against the Biblical project .....

      ELSE, we won’t be defeated. There will be no NATO occupation, you won’t wait .... if at least one foreign soldier steps on our Earth, the Russian people transform fantastically, he, like ONE, defends the Motherland (mother land), from his midst nominates LEADERS, heroes and serves them wholeheartedly

      In power Yanukovych (traitor)) Jewish oligarchs ....
      Klitschko’s brothers, Mom’s Jews, Etinson .. Close to the Hurwitz brothers, former mayor of Odessa
      Tyanibok (Frothmann))
      Yatsenyuk (Bokai's mother's maiden name gave birth to a "rabbit"))
      Lutsenko (Israeli citizen, has a passport))
      Poroshenko (Walzmann at birth))
      Tymoshenko Julia (from the Kapitelmann family))

      Also in Russia -Putin prayed in a kippah near the wailing wall (Masonic dedication, order "OpusDei")) on Christmas he carried insignia of the "Order of Malta" ... BerLazar is running around the Kremlin ....... Dvorkovich, Medvedev, Vova Gundyaev (Patriarch Kirill)) Surkov, Abramovich, Deripaska, Chubais, Luzhkov, Khodrkovsky, Yakimenko (in general THEIR LEGION and everything is in power)))) all ethnic (radio-controlled)) Jews ...
      With their help, the Russians die, the industry falls, money goes abroad, only the police block is strengthened, the POLICE is now allowed in the Army, that is, the "Order" of the Rus (the only allies of the People)) will be brought to their knees ..... under the mantras "getting up from your knees" ... (cheers)))))

      Then IUD will suffer the fate of Trotsky Lev Davydych (they fools do not understand this)) THEY WILL NOT DIE FOR sure ..... pawns in ESSENCE games))))

      Only the second time THIS DOES NOT PUNCH ....
      I see a surprise being prepared, our people are harnessing for a long time, but they go fast, this time EVERYTHING WILL HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY))))))
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 16: 48
        +2
        Quote: Asgard
        As for the 17 years of analogy can be done, Everything is approximately SO ....

        This is not an analogy ... It is, rather, a way out.
        An analogy, historical and geographical, can be considered the war of the Polish magnates with the Ukrainian rebels.
        And to put on display an article about good Bolsheviks and the current bad Russian government, "pulls on an article about extremism, inciting ethnic hatred, a call to overthrow the government ...".
        AND.
        What kind of ethics can we talk about if the drama of the Ukrainian people is being discussed, and the Bolshevik-communist idea is being "pushed through"?
      2. DMB-78
        DMB-78 4 February 2014 16: 57
        +5
        Quote: Asgard
        Putin prayed in a kippah near the Wailing Wall (Masonic dedication, OpusDei order

        and have a photo?
        Quote: Asgard
        .BerLazar walks around the Kremlin ....... Dvorkovich, Medvedev, Vova Gundyaev (Patriarch Kirill)) Surkov, Abramovich, Voloshin, Vekselbe

        not tired of looking for Jews everywhere? soon you’ll probably find it in the toilet. one US defense minister also saw Russians everywhere. what did you know?
        1. Orik
          Orik 4 February 2014 17: 40
          +6
          As without a photo dear ...
        2. 222222
          222222 4 February 2014 18: 00
          +1
          DMB-78 Today, 16:57 ↑
          Konstantin Belyaev - There are only Jews around. Live 1998 Couplets about Jews composed by the Jews themselves))
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIKHKv_3Yw8
          1. DMB-78
            DMB-78 4 February 2014 18: 14
            0
            Quote: 222222
            stings about the Jews, composed by the Jews themselves

            he himself laid out when the seekers - enemies of the Jews everywhere and everywhere got. or those who in Putin saw the culprit of all ills. Well, it's easier with those: the cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault.
            1. 222222
              222222 4 February 2014 18: 28
              0
              DMB-78 Today, 18:14 ↑ New .... the culprits of all our troubles, we ourselves .. we are told by the Anglo-Saxons (Jews, GDP. ... Nikita ..) the culprits, and I have a question? _Where were we .. Or is it a glorification of the Anglo-Saxons (how cool they are) and a show of our worthlessness? Then for what?
              Here Nightingale is not shy and cuts the truth of the uterus ..
              http://www.perunica.ru/svoboda/7245-vsolovev-russkie-zhivut-v-gostyah-u-evreev.h
              tml
              1. DMB-78
                DMB-78 4 February 2014 19: 33
                +2
                Quote: 222222
                _where we were

                in chat rooms, social networks, forums.
          2. ty60
            ty60 5 February 2014 03: 22
            0
            By the way, they were repeatedly edited in relation to the current manual. Another look, interesting to lovers of bards. There is no direct link, Dmitry Kimelfeld, album 1990 Emigration.
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          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 4 February 2014 19: 41
            +2
            Quote: Asgard
            (Well, who else prays at night?)))))))))))))))))))))

            But what about the Orthodox "All-night Prayers"? But what about the "Religious Procession", in my opinion it is also at night? What kind of religion are you, not "white tape"? You see, Putin is not to your liking, well, so praise Yeltsin and Gorbachev, maybe they are to your liking, with them there was complete "order" in the country.
          2. DMB-78
            DMB-78 4 February 2014 19: 47
            +2
            Quote: Asgard
            Do you eat praying at night on the satanic Sabbath ????????

            Well, where does he pray there? simple conversation. Russia is a multi-professional country and the president met with Muslim priests and Buddhist lamas. where is the satanic coven? or through the Internet and the smell of sulfur came?


            And you don’t need to look for Jews, they are in the Administration of the Resident, in the Government, among deputies and the Oligarchs-80%
            and they also fought during the Second World War and were awarded despite oral prohibitions with the title of heroes of the USSR. and then many died. and the country of rni was then also restored. and much has been done for the country. but if a person is smart and specialist, why not hire him?
            1. Asgard
              Asgard 4 February 2014 21: 32
              +3
              Well, I’ll explain about the biblical-Jewish project ...
              In the Babi Yar, the rabbis led the Jews to be shot, some of the tribes of Israel, the Levites and Sephardic people consider it "meat", wait until it grows and then gets rid of it through the crematorium, by means of Schilkogruber (precisely with the money of bankers)) who built the Reich .... a corporal (not even head of the club)) built a military state, held the Olympics (as symbolic)))))) and burned Jews (though not all)) in ovens and gas chambers ...
              Therefore, we must distinguish between herd and escaped into People .......
              By the way, I was recently in Elat and buried a good man who went through the war and “was mistaken)) that He was a Jew, did not go to the synagogue, laughed at his compatriots, taught, told me, -Volodya, you have no idea what nonsense I am writing, but it is necessary to feed the family ....... this is He about scientific work)))) and other Jews applauded him)))) and they are all AFRAID (animal fear))

              And I, as a Man, subtly feeling, feel this ..... (with the fibers of the soul))
              "Jews" is the term ..........deleted by moderator Apollo the Jews came up with to divide a single people, there are several tribes of Israel, these are different options for mixing People and “beatDNA”, there are Semites, Slavs, archecanthropes, Neanderthals, .......
              The Levites, Sephardim, ..... are called to be successful. Ashkenazi are destroyed when the opportunity arises, then it is declared a Holocaust and celebrated every month (January 27, April 25, May 4, and so on))))
              Who wants to know in more detail, there is such Sidorov (lectures on the Internet)) listen to the writer, and there are People who know, Even That which is not in the Talmud, the Torah and two other books of Jews))))
              Since KNOWLEDGE is simply not given, and sometimes it is not completely interpreted CORRECTLY ......
              There are texts on coruna that few people saw, even less able to take knowledge, second, third semantic series, and so the Torah is also a book, has several semantic series, which means that it was not written by Jews))))
              So everything is not unique .....
              DO NOT HAPPEN TO WORD ABOUT THE WORDS (like gay Europeans))) you need to be able to (c) READ between the lines, even if you don’t understand something yourself, your subconscious mind still counted and when necessary ,,,,,,,,,, ,,, bring to you ..... meaning.

              P / S In fairness, I note that the subconscious understands only in Slavic, translations into artificial languages ​​(Hebrew, English, Swahili)) do not work ..... Jews in vain read texts in Hebrew shake their heads and NOTHING .... not until Petril) )))))))
              would read in Slavic, then Nobel’s would receive well-deserved, and so the subconscious mind is asleep (shaking and shaking, for the brain you read nonsense))))

              It’s noticed that they bring a Russian-speaking child to a nursery, where the children of two years old have English, French, Hispanic parents, and after a while all the children speak Russian among themselves .....

              or a Russian hypnologist introduces a loin, a German, a Norwegian into a state of hypnosis and gives them commands in the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE and they perform .....
              if the hypnologist is English-speaking, then he can work only with this language group, neither French nor German, and even more so Russian (or rather their subconscious)) will not understand him .....

              here are such goodies in the Jewish question, by the way about the Jews, the Russians have a fairy tale, About Vasilisa the Wise ....
              There will be a chance I WILL TELL what the CASE is ........
              1. DMB-78
                DMB-78 4 February 2014 23: 08
                +2
                Quote: Asgard
                And I, as a Man, subtly feeling, feel this ..... (with the fibers of the soul))

                Putin also flew with cranes. decided to blame the hill? feel with fibers laughing
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        4. smile
          smile 4 February 2014 22: 17
          +4
          DMB-78
          Yes, Putin never prayed with the Jews, nor against the wailing wall and nowhere else - this is the next bike of our near-swamp creatives. And those foolish ones who believed in this bike will believe in any kind of nonsense if it is directed against the darkest. :)))
          Brains do not have enough to understand that the leader of a country is establishing relations with other countries or the higher clergy (and this is always important) of any religion. just obligated to make a gesture of respect. And as I understand it, the Jews, meeting with the top leaders of all countries, present them with this yarmulke as a gift of respect ... what, should they be sent to x? ... and they’re putting on where to go ... :))) Ask from colleagues from Israel, will explain. :))) If he wore a skullcap, the dunce would accuse him of being a Wahhabi, if Panama would have accused him of selling to Panama, and if he had a baseball cap, Putin sold Russia to some baseball club ... :))) The mechanism of lies is straightforward and designed for hydrocephalus .... :))) And they are ... :)))
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 4 February 2014 22: 21
            +7
            Quote: smile
            If he put on a skullcap, the dunce would accuse him of being a Wahhabi, if Panama would have accused him of selling to Panama, and if he had sold a baseball cap, Putin sold Russia to some baseball club ... :))) The mechanism of lies is simple and designed for hydrocephalus .... :))) And there are ... :)))


            Specific however you have Vladimir hi , manner of presentation of thoughts good
            1. smile
              smile 4 February 2014 23: 27
              +2
              Apollo
              Well, what it is ... :))) All of us ... to some extent, peculiar ... :)))
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 4 February 2014 23: 33
                +1
                Quote: smile
                to some extent peculiar

                Removed from the tongue.
              2. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 6 February 2014 02: 19
                +2
                Quote: smile
                All of us ... to some extent, peculiar ... :)))

                And you don’t need to look at the appearance from avatars, in our hearts we are kind wassat
              3. Corsair
                Corsair 6 February 2014 02: 41
                +1
                Quote: smile
                Well, what it is ... :))) All of us ... to some extent, peculiar ... :)))

                Welcome smile! That's all for some reason, in an ecstaticly touching manner, they admire the variety of forms of wildlife surrounding us ...

                And for some reason, with the rare exception of some "writers-philosophers-thinkers", we simply forget about people, PERSONS with their diversity ...
          2. DMB-78
            DMB-78 4 February 2014 23: 07
            +3
            smile
            and he also starred with a leopard. to whom did he sell this time? laughing
            1. smile
              smile 4 February 2014 23: 48
              +2
              DMB-78
              Everything is simple here - this is an allusion to the fact that Putin has become an adherent of pan-May syncretism, quietly reads Popol-Vuh, sold Russia to the Jews (without this you can’t do it without them), and because of this, people disappear after he prayers kidnapped in secret covens sacrifices to Itzamnu. And the leopard replaced the jaguar for disguise - is encrypted, bloody gebnyak .... :)))

              P.S. Ketsalkoatl is still crying quietly in the corner and hopes that next time. as our swamp creacles are drilled in one place, they will attribute to Putin the sale of the Motherland to the Toltecs, and they will remember him in this World ... :)))
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 6 February 2014 02: 44
                +1
                Quote: smile
                Putin became an adherent of pan-May syncretism, quietly revered Popol-Vuh, sold Russia to Jews (without it you can’t do it without them), and people disappear because he sacrifices Ittsamna after the prayers of those kidnapped on secret Sabbaths. And the leopard replaced the jaguar for disguise - is encrypted, bloody gebnyak .... :)))
                good laughing good

                And then Ostap BROUGHT ©
                ... smile
      3. ty60
        ty60 5 February 2014 03: 14
        0
        worthy descendants of grandfather Lenin
    2. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 4 February 2014 16: 24
      0
      And here is a party card. You emphasized the key points of the article, in my opinion. On the first point, a Russian Georgian was more likely found; his appearance was clearly not expected. The principle of leading the movement did not work. The second point is also clear. If there was real Russian power, they would use not only Russians, but also Russian Georgians or even Russian Jews, etc. .. On the third point, everything is clear too. His consequence is paragraph two.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 16: 26
        +2
        Quote: Yuri Ya.
        And here is a party card.

        Can we share cutlets with flies?
        1. Yuri Y.
          Yuri Y. 4 February 2014 17: 35
          +3
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Can we share cutlets with flies?

          As for your post, I already said everything, and did not even put a minus. To understand your vision of flies and cutlets there is no desire. And if some of the author’s ideas about national interests belong to the communists, well then I’m a communist.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 18: 12
            +2
            Quote: Yuri Ya.
            And if some of the author’s ideas about national interests belong to the communists, well then I’m a communist.

            Well ... I would congratulate ... Yes, there is nothing ...
            1. Yuri Y.
              Yuri Y. 4 February 2014 18: 36
              0
              Who congratulates. The Communists are probably glad our regiment arrived.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 18: 39
                +2
                Quote: Yuri Ya.
                The Communists are probably glad our regiment arrived.

                "Which regiment served?" (with) laughing
  7. Altona
    Altona 4 February 2014 15: 23
    +10
    Quote: Megatron
    It seems to me that Putin, in his silence, simply confuses the enemies

    --------------------------
    He just stupidly continues to play the proposed game, waiting for the rivals to lose trump cards. Why should the first throw the last aces on the table?
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 4 February 2014 16: 49
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      He just stupidly continues to play the proposed game, waiting for the rivals to lose trump cards.

      Apparently they forgot there over the hill, their own expression that you can’t play blackjack with former KGB officers ..
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 4 February 2014 21: 00
        0
        Quote: DEfindER
        Apparently they forgot there over the hill, their own expression that you can’t play blackjack with former KGB officers ..

        No, they didn’t forget, agony buddy ..... agony, they will be forced to show their stubborn face to the whole world, the main thing is to push the last trump card into the throat am
  8. Altona
    Altona 4 February 2014 15: 27
    +6
    Therefore, the rulers of any "independent Ukraine" can and do try to justify the legitimacy of their independent power only by suppressing all Russian and pushing them away from "imperial colonial" Russia.
    ------------------------------------
    Here, not only their dog rummaged, but the Ukrainian oligarchs dig their land well with their media ...
  9. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 4 February 2014 15: 27
    +19
    The most disgusting thing is that three or four people who "put on their ears" the whole country, in which case they will OBSERVE what is happening in Ukraine from their FOUR-STOREY "HOUSES" in Germany or the USA, will "worry" about their Motherland. .. SVO ... whose - kLyachko and his "s_ratniki"!
    1. ty60
      ty60 5 February 2014 03: 35
      0
      Yaytsenyuk will be more cunning. They didn’t beat him by turnips in the ring. The main locker.
  10. ed65b
    ed65b 4 February 2014 15: 31
    +12
    We have an olympiad. wait for the end, then GDP as a magician and get something out of a hat. Well, Yanuc, it’s time to forget about him of the wrong scale. A man is so human, he stole a piece of 90 and drank it in prison.
  11. sinukvl
    sinukvl 4 February 2014 15: 32
    +22
    Ukraine needs to be accepted into Russia, so there was never such a people as the Ukrainians, they are the same Russians as we are and the lands are also Russian, and the word Ukraine back in the 19th century was worn by the area located on the edge of Russia in the west (this does not apply to Galicia, they have never been Ukraine either in geographic or in state name. The structure of the present Ukraine includes the lands bearing the names Novorossiya, Little Russia, Rus (historians now call it Kiev), Galicia and Transcarpathia, that is, in fact, from five regions, two directly were called Russia and Russia alone, and that Russia from which the rest of the Russian land went. At the expense of Galicia, if we have accumulated a virus of "crap" and are afraid that we will not be able to put things in order with Bendera, then give Galicia as a gift to the Gay Europeans, let them rush with it themselves Although for me it is necessary once and for all to send Europe through the forest and take over the whole of Ukraine, and put things in order in Galicia according to the law, but punish according to the maximum possible punishment and do to respond to Bender's "peaceful actions" quickly and without lisping.
    1. yehat
      yehat 4 February 2014 17: 37
      +3
      you can’t build a house with repression alone. Take Stalin. He had a terrible whip and a huge carrot. If you curry favor, you will have a house, a cottage, a car, special supply ...,
      but nakosyachit - saw and Siberia. This is rude.
      So it is here. Even if you connect Galicia with Ukraine, then you need to provide Galicians with a decent way out of the situation, and not the inevitable cleaver.
      For example, autonomy in the composition (but then live without subsidies!), Etc. To have a real partnership. This was before the power of the Russian Empire. We did not enslave, but united.
      1. ty60
        ty60 5 February 2014 03: 38
        0
        can they be allowed to enter Romania
  12. zzz
    zzz 4 February 2014 15: 35
    +8
    "The United States will not fail to take advantage of this to advance its structures to the borders of Russia - in another capacity, Ukraine does not need a world backstage."

    The USA started a hunt for a Russian bear. The hunt consists in luring a bear out of the den to a shot of a hunter who is standing far from the lair with a sniper rifle and waiting .... To lure a bear, you need dogs ...
  13. PValery53
    PValery53 4 February 2014 15: 38
    +7
    Such a large American embassy in Kiev, and no one has been lost yet?! ..- Ay-ya-yy! They should be scared and uncomfortable there - Not yet? - Then we are going to you! Wait 3 weeks!
  14. leks
    leks 4 February 2014 15: 42
    0
    Tell me smart people how to deal with this situation in Ukraine, who should become the president there, put the western figure will be dissatisfied with the east, put the eastern figure dissatisfied with the west !!! Maybe there should be a parliamentary republic !?
    1. sinukvl
      sinukvl 4 February 2014 16: 12
      +30
      The president should be a man of statesman, in the likeness of the same Lukashenko, everyone will be satisfied, and first of all the Galicians will be satisfied, they will immediately rush to assure everyone that they were in the forefront of those who wanted to enter the CU, and not the EU.
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 4 February 2014 16: 32
        +5
        With all my heart I put "+". I agree in the assessment of "Old Man".
    2. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 4 February 2014 16: 22
      +5
      I believe that over the past 15 years, apart from the selfish interests of Gazprom, none of our top officials have shown interest in Ukraine. I’ll say more: in such a way they avenged disobedience to both Kravchuk and Kuchma. I’m silent about Yushchenko. He is on a par with Sahak in terms of irritation for the Kremlin.
      I will not discuss the personality of each, but the position of the Kremlin is always and everywhere the same. Remember, in the famous comedy: ... But if they don't take it, we will turn off the gas. "
      We, that is, our popularly elected, have not raised a finger over the years.
      They thought that they would crawl on their knees, with outstretched hands ...
      Did not work out. This is a major strategic mistake.
      Only Chernomyrdin kept contact. But one in the field is not a warrior.
      He was gone and everything collapsed.
      Europe and the States are an example to follow. Constantly working with Ukraine. In their own interests, of course. But we don't learn a damn thing.
      Pride interferes.
      And now nothing can be done. The patient is dead. There is no former Ukraine for us and will not be. Pray that there is no Civil War and that you do not join NATO.
      How many times have I written that 80% of the current situation is the result of the shortsightedness and personal ambitions of our politicians.
      I have no advice on Ukraine, as God wills, it will be so.
      Of course, one can console oneself with hope, but Ukraine has given such a deep crack that it can now crumble at any moment.
      1. optimist
        optimist 4 February 2014 16: 36
        0
        Quote: Samsebenum
        And now nothing can be done. The patient is dead. There is no former Ukraine for us and will not be. Pray that you will not join NATO. How many times have I written that 80% of the current situation is the result of the short-sightedness of our politicians.

        Unfortunately, this simple thought is in no way accessible to the brains of putinoids ...
        1. Samsebenaum
          Samsebenaum 4 February 2014 16: 45
          -1
          optimist
          Quote: optimist
          Unfortunately, this simple thought is in no way accessible to the brains of putinoids ...

          Why do they need a brain? To repeat the leader’s settings, the presence of gray matter is not necessary ...
          1. Samsebenaum
            Samsebenaum 4 February 2014 18: 25
            +2
            optimist

            You see, brother. Here they are - here, like here.
            Minus and minus. I do not like the truth.
            At the same time, we will conduct an audit of who, like the owner's dog, rushes to defend.
            We saw the word "putinoid" and the wool on end.
            You cannot serve and be free. Or or.
            1. Strezhevchanin
              Strezhevchanin 4 February 2014 21: 13
              +3
              Quote: Samsebenum
              Minus and minus. I do not like the truth.

              It’s just that it’s not worth hanging labels, not in the market ....
        2. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 4 February 2014 21: 17
          +1
          Quote: optimist
          Unfortunately, this simple thought is in no way accessible to the brains of putinoids ...

          Forgot here yet about the bydlomass with anchovies add, the picture is not complete.
      2. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin 4 February 2014 18: 57
        +1
        Quote: Samsebenum
        Only Chernomyrdin kept contact. But one in the field is not a warrior.

        found someone to remember. maybe they put him in Ukraine precisely for such a purpose: to pretend and not to fuck. however, as elsewhere.
        1. Samsebenaum
          Samsebenaum 4 February 2014 19: 24
          +1
          Luzhichanin
          In vain you are my friend. Although he was not torn, he had enough connections and influence among Ukrainian politicians.
          This is recognized by everyone who worked with him ...
      3. ty60
        ty60 5 February 2014 03: 42
        0
        here we pick up the eastern fragments. The rest are wipers in euros, the ladies are on the panel.
    3. aleks 62
      aleks 62 4 February 2014 17: 29
      -4
      Only federation !!!!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 19: 14
        +9
        Quote: aleks 62
        Only federation !!!!

        Russian? laughing
  15. Bezarius
    Bezarius 4 February 2014 15: 44
    +7
    All empires create chaos at sunset, this is their typical life cycle. The fact that the US era ends even in the USA is understood ... But as for Russia, with the help of Ukraine we cannot be sunk.
    1. philip
      philip 4 February 2014 16: 35
      +6
      Your words, may God be in the ears. There is no such state as Ukraine, historically not. Ukraine, this means at the edge of RUSSIA. And this chaos is sown and occurs with us. And this is not only the deeds of A. Dales and Z. Bzizhinsky, it is almost a thousand-year trend since the time of the early Catholic popes.
      At the expense of chaos at sunset of empires, of course YES. Only chaos is breeding all over the world and it is more like a sunset of civilization.
      Wait and see.
  16. avt
    avt 4 February 2014 15: 45
    +4
    request "Only when everyone dies, the big game will end" The article repeats the absolute truth once again - in the Big Game, the bearers of universal human values ​​play Ukraine as a bargaining chip against Russia with murky and possibly bloody consequences of such a move for the inhabitants of Ukraine itself. Repetition is the mother of learning, it would be nice to give yourself a real photo instead of a robocop, where Vika Nuland feeds Maydaun cookies from her hand, it would be more effective and efficient. For my taste.
  17. mountain
    mountain 4 February 2014 16: 05
    +5
    I’m not just thinking, but I’m sure that during or after the Olympics, we will certainly put everything on the shelves, without any explanation. And yet, it would be time for Russia to officially announce to America that it is interested in the fact that the indigenous population of the United States would have a privileged status and be part of the US government. And that Russia will support and help in every way as it is in the strategic interests of Russia. And then we giggle.
  18. muhomor
    muhomor 4 February 2014 16: 11
    +2
    Nothing! Here the Olympics will end. Russia will have free hands. And then we'll see who will have a wider breeches. So, Amers need to finish their work by the end of the Olympiad. Otherwise - money down the drain. In general, Russia fought poorly in the information and political struggle. The real pro-Russian leader did not appear.
  19. Horst78
    Horst78 4 February 2014 16: 15
    +3
    Quote: smile
    Is it possible to declare that we are closing the games, we are refusing to host them, because we are not able to simultaneously help our brothers and host the Games?

    I do not see any connection between these events. But who is behind the "maydanuty" is their perhaps a different vision.
  20. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 4 February 2014 16: 19
    +2
    Judging by how persistently Russia is accused of meddling in Ukrainian affairs, in the West they simply cannot believe that Russia will not take this opportunity, and having all the historical and moral rights, it does not chop off an impressive part of the former Ukraine. They just can’t understand how this is possible, a fat draw in a row nearby, and no body movements. Apparently, in fact, only Russia believes that there are some Ukrainians and a certain country, Ukraine. I think all these complex theories with a world conspiracy against Russia are not entirely true. It’s just that we are observing the African option of destabilizing a resource-rich territory, with its subsequent division into spheres of influence, the more passive Russia, the more good the Western countries will share.
    1. zzz
      zzz 4 February 2014 17: 32
      +4
      Quote: chunga-changa
      in the West they simply cannot believe that Russia will not seize the opportunity, and having all the historical and moral rights does not chop off an impressive part of the former Ukraine. They just can’t understand how this is possible, a fat draw in a row nearby, and no body movements.


      Can you imagine how many minds in the USA are asking the same question as us? WHY IS RUSSIA SILENT? .... Their brains are already on their heels, so much nasty things have been poured on us, and Russia is silent ... There is nothing worse than expected.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 4 February 2014 19: 52
      +4
      Quote: chunga-changa
      They just can’t understand how this is possible, a fat draw in a row nearby, and no body movements.

      The body itself must fight the infection, if it can not, then prescribe treatment, I hope not surgical.
    3. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 4 February 2014 21: 26
      +3
      Quote: chunga-changa
      the more passive Russia, the more good the western countries will share.

      There is such an old thing: Do not share the skin of an unkilled bear in his presence.
      Be patient, they want a lot, they will get a little ...... there will be no discharge.
  21. griny07-56
    griny07-56 4 February 2014 16: 20
    +6
    In general, that article is LITERATE and CORRECT. But the hope of restoring order in Ukraine by the Ukrainian army (87% support the legitimate authority in Ukraine) should not be removed. It must be real. how much you can endure mockery of the Ukrainian and Russian - Slavic peoples from the empire of the fiend of hell - the United States. Gregory - fourth-generation Petersburger
  22. Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex 4 February 2014 16: 30
    +7
    "Voice of America" ​​informs that on February 3, Vladimir Klitschko performed at the Ukrainian People's House in New York, where about two hundred representatives of the diaspora stood and greeted the world boxing champion with exclamations "Glory to Ukraine!" and "Klitschko - President".
  23. both s69
    both s69 4 February 2014 16: 38
    +4
    Quote: mountain
    And yet, it would be time for Russia to officially announce to America that it is interested in the fact that the indigenous population of the United States would have a privileged status and be part of the US government. And that Russia will support and help in every way as it is in the strategic interests of Russia. And then we giggle.

    A good idea. A plus for you, only one discrepancy: we (Russia) do not print "green". This is the whole problem. hi
  24. pensioner
    pensioner 4 February 2014 16: 43
    +5
    Ukrainians should understand that today they are cannon fodder in the Great Geopolitical Game called “Death of Russia”
    And also to understand that Ukraine is becoming a territory of fascism. Maybe this circumstance can become an incentive to resist the "Maidan"? It's time to remember the slogan "No pasarán!"
  25. Vilor
    Vilor 4 February 2014 16: 44
    +3
    Something like this ;)
  26. Bigriver
    Bigriver 4 February 2014 16: 44
    +4
    I don’t understand what ANALYTEC offers Russia to do.
    If Russia had real Russian power, she could have quite successfully contributed to this, relying on the will of the now dismembered triune Russian people...

    This refers to the assistance to the Ukrainian people in their opposition to the Western project.
    And where in Ukraine are there forces opposing this? I see individual people on TV, I see individual publications ... Where is this POWER in Ukrainian society? If she is, where is her action at a critical moment for the country? Maybe someone asks for support, and we push this hard-witted hand away?
    And in the absence of such a formalized force, the author suggests WHO to support and to whom to promote?
    Tra-ta-ta ...
    The fate of Ukraine will not be decided in Ukraine. As it appears.
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 4 February 2014 16: 55
      +3
      Bigriver
      Quote: BigRiver
      The fate of Ukraine will not be decided in Ukraine. As it appears.

      Judging by Russia's refusal to fight for Ukraine, the candidates for the winners have already been identified.
      1. Orik
        Orik 4 February 2014 17: 48
        +1
        Quote: Samsebenum
        Judging by Russia's refusal to fight for Ukraine, the candidates for the winners have already been identified.

        Failure will mean defeat, only a matter of time. Let's wait until everything is done and this process is not fast.
    2. zzz
      zzz 4 February 2014 17: 13
      +2
      Quote: BigRiver
      Where is this POWER in Ukrainian society? If she is, where is her action at a critical moment for the country? Maybe someone asks for support, and we push this hard-witted hand away?


      There are such forces, only thanks to the SALE MEDIA, they do not convey the truth to the people, and do not allow consolidation !!! Almost all sites are blocked .. Go to YouTube, where something honest is covered, and see below ... comments in this topic are temporarily unavailable .. And where can people get information from? This is with us in Russia, and what is happening in Eastern Ukraine, you can imagine, I don’t even want to talk about TV.
    3. ty60
      ty60 5 February 2014 03: 49
      0
      Didn’t you try to contact the Poles? They will explain everything at once.
  27. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 4 February 2014 16: 53
    0
    The title to the article very accurately and briefly explains everything .. There’s nothing to add! Ukraine as such does not need anyone in Russia .. (we are historically and kindred with it) So we have to stand to death! Stalin understood this perfectly ..
  28. EvilLion
    EvilLion 4 February 2014 16: 53
    -2
    What nafig Ukraine? Kiev region of the Southern Federal District.
  29. konvalval
    konvalval 4 February 2014 16: 59
    +1
    Quote: Geisenberg
    Quote: Rus2012
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Let's hope that in the Ukrainian question Vova will correspond to her reputation in foreign policy games.

    ... it remains to stand DAY and NIGHT hold out, i.e. until February 23 ...
    Or Sochi-2014 sideways to send, because their brothers are still more expensive ...


    You can rest assured that the opening of the Olympics will be charred. 100 there will be some kind of scandal on the topic of sodomy, or a full-scale war in Ukraine will begin.

    As they say in such cases: "pip your tongue."
  30. Platov
    Platov 4 February 2014 17: 02
    +3
    Ukrainians are a little sorry for the fate of the suicide bomber, they themselves wanted this. And the reasons why they refuse to join with the vehicle are green fox grapes. Accustomed to living on a freebie and do not understand that the freebie is long over and you have to work rolling up your sleeves.
    1. zzz
      zzz 4 February 2014 17: 37
      +2
      Quote: PLATOV
      Ukrainians are a little sorry for the fate of the suicide bomber, they themselves wanted this.


      Yes they did not want !! Everyone decided for them !!
  31. Conepatus
    Conepatus 4 February 2014 17: 05
    +14
    Today, he got into a job with a colleague at work, they barely kept up (they worked for 12 years in one shift).
    He has one motivation-Yanyk & company-robbing people.
    I said bluntly. Yatsynyuk-zh_i_d. Do you believe that he is honest?
    But to him my arguments are good. He doesn’t have Internet, channel 5 is the mouthpiece of truth.
    To all my arguments that the probability of a civil war (well, I don’t want to live by the standards of zapadentsev) is very high, he answers, Well, okay, but we’ll expel Donetsk.
    The opposition tryndit about the suppression of freedom, although the media are almost all Pro-Bender.
    Not, I understand, the Olympics on the nose, all things. Just as if it weren’t too late.
    Romanians, for example, have a plan to protect ethnic Romanians in Ukraine ....
    1. zzz
      zzz 4 February 2014 17: 36
      +2
      It’s good that there are Ukrainians who understand that Yanukovych is a bastard, but the Nazis are a thousand times worse!
    2. shark
      shark 4 February 2014 17: 56
      +2
      Sadly. 12 years of collaboration and communication at one moment became dust. It’s not sickly in Ukraine to brainwash. At that pace ... scary. And it's a shame that we can’t do anything ...
  32. lis-ik
    lis-ik 4 February 2014 17: 15
    +1
    Quote: Rus2012
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Let's hope that in the Ukrainian question Vova will correspond to her reputation in foreign policy games.

    ... it remains to stand DAY and NIGHT hold out, i.e. until February 23 ...
    Or Sochi-2014 sideways to send, because their brothers are still more expensive ...

    I’m afraid that under the peppy reports from Sochi, the main burning problems, which from Ukraine are getting closer to Russia, will merge, this Olympics can really side and save the country in spite of everything.
  33. konvalval
    konvalval 4 February 2014 17: 19
    +1
    Normal Ukrainians understand everything. But those Bandera will never understand this. They think that they will drink good coffee, like the traitor Yushchenko senior (and younger too) among the Germans, and Bavarian beer.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 19: 25
      +1
      Quote: konvalval
      They think that they will drink good coffee, like the traitor Yushchenko senior (and younger too) among the Germans, and Bavarian beer.

      But in the end it will be like in a joke - Sa .... Sa ... Sa ..., fat? Nine, salute. laughing
  34. Bigriver
    Bigriver 4 February 2014 17: 26
    +1
    Quote: zzz
    ... There are such forces, only thanks to the SALE MEDIA, they do not convey the truth to the people, and do not allow consolidation !!! Almost all sites are blocking ... Go to YouTube ...

    They, these forces, are so blocked that they don’t even have a name? What are these forces called: bloc, movement, party? What is their program, who are the leaders, what actions are they taking?
    Who was from Ukraine in Soloviev's "Duel" last Thursday, don't you remember? Probably they don't sell train tickets to these forces?
    1. zzz
      zzz 4 February 2014 20: 31
      0
      Quote: BigRiver

      They, these forces, are so blocked that they don’t even have a name? What are these forces called: bloc, movement, party?


      Here is Evgeny Zhilin "Oplot", if it has not been deleted yet: the appeal ... has not yet been deleted:

      http://vk.com/video17809594_167524812?og=1
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. The comment was deleted.
  35. Bigriver
    Bigriver 4 February 2014 17: 32
    +1
    Quote: Samsebenum
    ... Judging by Russia's refusal to fight for Ukraine ...

    What actions of Russia in relation to Ukraine should be taken?
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 4 February 2014 18: 47
      +2
      Russia, as a guarantor of the independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine, can take ANY action that meets its obligations.
      Nuuu, as I understand it, as you already know.
      1. ty60
        ty60 5 February 2014 03: 56
        0
        the people of Ukraine did not ask for armed action on their territory with our hands, that is, with Russian.
  36. Horst78
    Horst78 4 February 2014 17: 35
    +2
    Quote: seller trucks
    do you care?
    It is a pity that countries turn into hell for normal people. Who would have imagined 25 years ago that from the countries of Europe the indigenous population would flee sad And from the fact that there
    pigsty
    it’s not easier for us to live, shit, because it’s already splashing about the border sad
  37. genzik161
    genzik161 4 February 2014 17: 38
    +9
    I will say so MUCH many have tried to conquer and conquer us, but they couldn’t, and they say that the generation is not what it used to be, but they talked about the generation that won the GREAT DOMESTIC DOMESTIC, so let them try, but they know when they WAKE UP THE SLEEPING BEAR I WILL NOT STOP AND WILL NOT BE ABLE, BEFORE THE LAST HEART OF THE HEART AND THE LAST DROP OF BLOOD I WILL FIGHT FOR ITS GREAT MOTHERLAND, BUT I WILL NOT GIVE AN ENEMY AND SPAN OF THE EARTH. I am proud to be born on this earth, I am proud that I am Russian, I am proud of my country and its history, and this pride and love I have passed on to my children. THE WAR IS NOT WINS BY STRENGTH, AND BY ABILITY.
  38. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 4 February 2014 17: 39
    +2
    You can negate me to refute ... but there will be no section or worse civil war in Ukraine! There will be something like the Egyptian scenario .. By the way, it’s already going on ... We’ll look at all this canoe with flags, arson attacks, screaming .. and then power structures (well, close to them) will come to power and disperse all these maydauns to hell (some will be put they’ll shoot some) and they’ll all run away again to their farms in the west .. (seasonal work will begin to warm soon, etc.) .. in the west there are mainly seasonal work, gastro-baiters will again make money in Europe and Russia) EU Westerners in FIG you don’t need the main goal is the powerful potential of the eastern regions of Ukraine (which you must finally destroy and destroy the blood from the nose) Put out the candles and dig trenches .. Next, the direct route to Moscow as in the 41st .. That's something I think and I'm not alone ... am
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 4 February 2014 18: 13
      +3
      MIKHAN
      There is an important circumstance, based on which I put a minus.
      Ukraine is not Egypt. This is a different mentality. The scenario may be the same, but the result in Ukraine is unpredictable ...
      As for the section, I would not be in a hurry to unequivocally say that this will not happen. As long as destructive and organized aggressive forces have influence, nothing is clear.
      Is everything quiet in Chechnya and Dagestan? Peace and order?
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 4 February 2014 18: 32
        +1
        Quote: Samsebenum
        MIKHAN
        There is an important circumstance, based on which I put a minus.
        Ukraine is not Egypt. This is a different mentality. The scenario may be the same, but the result in Ukraine is unpredictable ...
        As for the section, I would not be in a hurry to unequivocally affirm. As long as destructive and organized aggressive forces have influence, nothing is clear.
        Is everything quiet in Chechnya and Dagestan? Peace and order?

        You are right .. of course ..! But here we all see the tip of the iceberg ... We all are persistently pressed into our brains with the words "divide, stop feeding, etc.) Screams screams .. accusations, appeals ... Putin is conducting the correct tactics ((and Yanukovych does not hysteria and wait for the right moment to strike "a blow in the gut or like in sambo a sharp and unexpected throw on the shoulder blades ..) Caucasus, Egypt, etc. all follow the same pattern .. So far, information support in Russia is weak, one wrong step and all the screeching begins ..And in Ukraine, the abscess has long been plucking pus out, you can squeeze out, or better, with a scalpel once and for all and alcohol so that it burns and all the filth can be etched out .. These are the things ..
        1. Samsebenaum
          Samsebenaum 4 February 2014 19: 19
          +3
          MIKHAN
          Maybe a sambo wrestler bears some kind of plan. But I think - he just does not know what to do. This happens with athletes ..
          And what can he offer new and unexpected? Nothing.
          What is under the breath, what a throw?
          Is there more money to throw?
          By the way, foreign watered. I don’t read news and reviews, so that I have my own idea.
          That's why I chose this nickname ...
          1. DMB-78
            DMB-78 4 February 2014 19: 55
            0
            Quote: Samsebenum
            And what can he offer new and unexpected? Nothing.

            before you reports of the Foreign Ministry, reports of illegal intelligence scouts, FSB analysts, telephone conversations with other presidents? well then you know for sure that the president can’t do anything. you yourself have served as a resident for many years in intelligence
            1. Samsebenaum
              Samsebenaum 5 February 2014 00: 15
              0
              DMB-78
              Are we on "you"? How is it?
              If for each opinion to write something like that,
              Quote: DMB-78
              before you reports of the Foreign Ministry, reports of illegal intelligence scouts, FSB analysts, telephone conversations with other presidents?

              then both you and me should leave this site. After all, no one has reliable information on any issue. Isn’t it, dear?
              Something you are very nervous.
              It would be better if they suggested their version of unexpected moves from the president.
          2. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 4 February 2014 20: 30
            +2
            Quote: Samsebenum
            MIKHAN
            Maybe a sambo wrestler bears some kind of plan. But I think - he just does not know what to do. This happens with athletes ..
            And what can he offer new and unexpected? Nothing.
            What is under the breath, what a throw?
            Is there more money to throw?
            By the way, foreign watered. I don’t read news and reviews, so that I have my own idea.
            That's why I chose this nickname ...

            Well, if we have a bunch of tips for accusing contradictions (sitting at the clave), I can imagine how Putin is now in control of such a huge and controversial country .. in fact, alone rearing up against this imposed world order .. It’s hard for him now, like all of us in Russia (90 -h have already experienced democracy, the essence of the blood did not choke) Now life is not sugar, and yet the main thing is to rot our line of evil to screeching squeals and a military threat ..
            And on the account of the fact that you do not read foreign and other (anti-Russian media pro-Russian) in vain how can you compare then to have an opinion ..
            Truth is born in a dispute (when this happens in your soul especially) .. Something I signed .. (I do not like to write a lot ..) Ostap suffered as they say .. fellow
            1. ty60
              ty60 5 February 2014 04: 09
              0
              Here you are right to absolutely not listen to the opinion of your opponent, to compose YOURSELF in the same Western media without comprehensive information, and the PLANOVO intelligence services are studying this kind of information. And the analysts are involved in this, the one-sided views have always led to a dead end.
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 4 February 2014 21: 34
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .That something I think so and I'm not alone ...

      At least 2 drinks
    3. ty60
      ty60 5 February 2014 04: 00
      0
      Everything new is well forgotten old.
  39. Altona
    Altona 4 February 2014 17: 48
    +3
    Quote: yehat
    So it is here. Even if you connect Galicia with Ukraine, then you need to provide Galicians with a decent way out of the situation, and not the inevitable cleaver.

    ------------------------
    In general, we are not going to join anyone yet ... This is all from the field of ideas ... So far, we have opened a credit line for the Ukrainian people and offered membership in the TS ...
  40. Samson911
    Samson911 4 February 2014 17: 59
    +5
    "Normal Ukrainians" (konvalval) understand everything, but they are too busy to earn a little money while this work is still there, but then whatever happens ??? And when they see that the country has collapsed it will be too late, although it may ALREADY .... They have a LOCH President, because in Ukraine on the Maidan everyone is beating drums from Americans with the European Union to Bandera's but not Power. Rather, it is there, but as soon as it smelled of fried, I quickly perked up to my home, where a house was built in a quiet place. So Klitschko, Yatsenyuk and Lyagnibokh will do their job (they will hand over the country to spite Moscow) and some will go to Germany, some to Switzerland. And the rest will plow for Uncle Hans as 70 years ago.
    Wake up at last and remove this bunch of Mr. from the square yourself. It is a pity that you have no one to send a doctor to the patient.
  41. Altona
    Altona 4 February 2014 18: 00
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    They’ll look at this whole canoe with flags set on fire by yelling seizures .. and then the power structures (well, close to them) will come to power and disperse all these maydauns (some will shoot some) and they will all run to their farms in the west again.

    -----------------------------
    There are two questions here ... The power structures of Ukraine in the amount of 400 thousand soldiers (compare with the 200 thousandth army) are now the largest in the world in terms of per capita and could not do anything ... But can they do at all, if before still not done? Because the second question is international support and legitimization of all this ...
  42. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 4 February 2014 18: 05
    +2
    The east of Ukraine will become an analogue of South Ossetia or Abkhazia. An independent and stable state.

    Sorry, what about this?
    Quote: MIKHAN
    EU Westerners in FIG are not needed. The main goal is the powerful potential of the eastern regions of Ukraine (which must be completely destroyed and destroyed from the nose). Extinguish candles and dig trenches ..

    Who will give them? :)
    Quote: konvalval
    Normal Ukrainians understand everything.

    +1
    Quote: Conepatus
    Today, fucked up with a colleague at work, barely discord

    This is the saddest thing. The people of Moscow were washed, at least pamper. What is going on in our heads is no longer just horror, but horror-horror.
  43. vladstro
    vladstro 4 February 2014 18: 06
    +2
    Yes, you see how these opposition leaders, led by the Klitschko looking into the mouth of this Russophobe McCain, give me a millionaire, give it to me, and let Golden Eagle and just foolish ones, they don’t give a damn about them, UKRAINE WANTS TO FIND ITS WAY, do not get fooled into the USA threw, and Russia has never been your enemy, well, maybe a bunch of cosmopolitans, but they do not care.
  44. Altona
    Altona 4 February 2014 18: 15
    +2
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    The position of Russia, yes he is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch is fundamentally wrong. This is a major and system error. If someone thinks that Yanek is a friend of Russia, then he is very mistaken. Yes, you can press eggs, but this does not mean his loyalty. On the contrary, this will lead to directly opposite results. Yes, Janek is a bargaining chip, but the problem is not in it.

    ------------------------------
    Russia's position is to support the legitimate government, not the sons of bitches. It's just that Yanukovych is now nominally the current president of Ukraine, whether we like it or not ... The dumping or drain of Yanukovych as President of Ukraine will lead to a de jure and de facto lack of legitimate power in general and the unwinding of the Serbian scenario beneficial to the "world community" ... And this is - the arrest and trial of all pro-Russian leaders in The Hague, the rejection of "historical territories" in favor of Hungary, Romania and Poland, the division of Ukraine into clusters and the introduction of some international UkrFOR ... such are the geopolitical consequences ...
    1. Black
      Black 4 February 2014 18: 46
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      Russia's position - supporting legitimate authorities


      It is a pity that such a position is akin to the bubbles of a newborn.
      A short-sighted foreign policy position towards fraternal Ukraine is one of the reasons for the US activity to destabilize the country. Was there a lack of time?
      And the ENEMY did not doze!
  45. shelva
    shelva 4 February 2014 18: 16
    +1
    Who does not know the distinctive character trait of the Little Russian Slav, the Americans also know it, and play their music on this string. Therefore, the situation is very difficult for Russia. With the Nazis and the fascists, everything is clear, but the rest, who were led on the "bright path" to the European Union, because of their stubbornness, will stand their ground contrary to common sense.
    And you just need to exhale and think, stop tearing your throat.
  46. VadimSt
    VadimSt 4 February 2014 18: 42
    +1
    Quote: shelva
    Who does not know the distinctive character trait of the Little Russian Slav

    Do not count all polls. I, like my ancestors, live in Ukraine, and I have no distinctive features!

    In connection with the statement of the head of the faction in the Supreme Council that Yanukovych, for the sake of a peaceful settlement, is ready to go to early parliamentary and presidential elections, residents of the southeast, in this situation, it is necessary to cast their votes not for the corrupt party of millionaires, but for the left strength. Budb is the Communist Party or representatives of the Russian bloc!
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 4 February 2014 20: 59
      +3
      Quote: VadimSt
      that Yanukovych, for the sake of a peaceful settlement, is ready to go to early parliamentary and presidential elections,

      Maydanuts will never recognize an election as legitimate if it is not their candidate who wins, and this dance will continue with renewed vigor. Here you need something else, and that - "big giraffe, he knows better!"
  47. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 4 February 2014 18: 45
    0
    The main thing is not to be hysterical, but to quietly calmly observe and pull out the main saboteurs. And the most important thing is to get to the "aspen's nest" here is more difficult while you can only smoke with smoke. laughing
    1. Black
      Black 4 February 2014 18: 49
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      here it’s more difficult so far only you can puff a smoke ..

      And I want dichlorvos !!!!
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 4 February 2014 19: 04
        +1
        Quote: Chen
        Quote: MIKHAN
        here it’s more difficult so far only you can puff a smoke ..

        And I want dichlorvos !!!!

        There is such a notion of bee swarming in beekeeping (I am not a specialist and yet) and during this period it is easy to entice them to your side, the main point not to miss .. bully
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 4 February 2014 21: 04
          +3
          Quote: MIKHAN
          There is such a notion of bee swarming in beekeeping (I am not a specialist and yet) and during this period it is easy to entice them to your side, the main point not to miss ..

          In this case, the main thing is to take the uterus together with the swarm. Without the uterus, the swarm will fly away again. Do you offer to kidnap Yanukovych? Think of him, all of Ukraine will move to Russia to us? wassat
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 4 February 2014 21: 15
            +2
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Quote: MIKHAN
            There is such a notion of bee swarming in beekeeping (I am not a specialist and yet) and during this period it is easy to entice them to your side, the main point not to miss ..

            In this case, the main thing is to take the uterus together with the swarm. Without the uterus, the swarm will fly away again. Do you offer to kidnap Yanukovych? Think of him, all of Ukraine will move to Russia to us? wassat

            laughing God forbid .. we have enough of our yanyks ..))) And the uterus can be replaced .. bully (Imagined how after the uterus (yanyk) Bandera followed by flying to Russia (they are nobody without him ..) wassat
    2. Conepatus
      Conepatus 4 February 2014 18: 53
      +2
      Only an ICBM can get to the "wasp's nest" (this is to ensure that this very nest has a dream)
  48. Altona
    Altona 4 February 2014 18: 50
    +5
    Quote: Conepatus
    He has one motivation-Yanyk & company-robbing people.
    I said bluntly. Yatsynyuk-zh_i_d. Do you believe that he is honest?
    But to him my arguments are good. He doesn’t have Internet, channel 5 is the mouthpiece of truth.
    To all my arguments that the probability of a civil war (well, I don’t want to live by the standards of zapadentsev) is very high, he answers, Well, okay, but we’ll expel Donetsk.

    -------------------------
    What is the point of kicking out the “Donetsk” if you immediately put the “Ternopil” on your neck? With Senya Yatsenyuk, you are right - he is half Jewish, but this is ethnically, in fact you may (or may not) receive a package of IMF loans on very harsh conditions, from which the Donetsk cabal will seem like heavenly manna and the coming of the kingdom of justice .. In short, one group is pushing the other out of the trough ... "Nationally oriented" are driven away by "Eurocomradors" ... So there is no joker in this deck ...
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 4 February 2014 19: 03
      +6
      Senya Yatsynyuk balabol. am
      I still remember how in the last elections to the Presidents of Ukraine, it promised a "modern" army in 5 years. What kind of makar? The crowd hung up their ears and hell to think that only 1 SAM of the S-300 type is 500 million Aviation and navy, I don't even want to talk about it. There is a blockage. It is not enough to buy, money to operate the purchased one, you need even more. Only they don’t think about it, everyone wants to hear only pleasant things.
  49. UpgradeComplete
    UpgradeComplete 4 February 2014 18: 56
    -2
    Ukrainians should understand)? than? what? They understand that Bendera is a tough person, and the Russians must give them gas and pay extra) I'm afraid this is where their understanding ends. We must leave them to themselves, they are 22 years old "an independent sovereign state")) really unable to do anything with a crowd of deer, with hryvnia issued by Europe. Well done lads, figure it out for yourself, whether the swears are not helpers) and do not come here as refugees, they will remember you all, "brothers" wassat
    1. 31231
      31231 4 February 2014 22: 51
      +3
      In part, I agree with you.

      Which of Ukrainians wants to live with us: WELCOME! OUR DOORS ARE OPEN!
      And whoever is on the verge of standing and freezing out some other privileges than all the inhabitants of the Customs Union, go to Geyropa, maybe there he will satisfy his ambitions.

      Before that, the diologist was perverted here that the citizens of the Russian Federation suggest that Russia and the TS run after Ukraine and persuade her to come to the TS, throwing more and more gingerbread cookies.
    2. Manager
      Manager 5 February 2014 11: 32
      0
      The first comment from you, with which I agree. (Not in everything but in many ways).
      The main thing is not to confuse ordinary people and power.
  50. Altona
    Altona 4 February 2014 19: 01
    +3
    Quote: Chen
    It is a pity that such a position is akin to the bubbles of a newborn.
    A short-sighted foreign policy position towards fraternal Ukraine is one of the reasons for the US activity to destabilize the country. Was there a lack of time?

    -----------------------------
    We do not know the size of the entire iceberg ... In general, if the SBU were catching mice, then the neutralization of radicals would have met in a couple of "night time" of the day ... Eliminating bases and caches, dressing leaders in steel bracelets, knocking off ideology from " Maidan infantry "blows to the kidneys ...