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Ukraine needs not “federalization”, but reunification with Russia

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Ukraine needs not “federalization”, but reunification with RussiaThe head of the Russian community of Dnepropetrovsk criticized the idea of ​​Vadim Kolesnichenko


Exploring the reasons, motivation and driving force of the current “Euromaidan” in Kiev and beyond, it is customary to remember in vain the complex national structure of Ukraine. This is not a “melting pot” of self-determination, which would give out a certain “standard citizen”. In fact, we are talking about at least two states within one common state border.

The existing alignment does not fit into the state-owned model in Ukraine — unitary, with regional division. According to the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, Vadim Kolesnichenko, who is quoted by the business newspaper Vzglyad, this situation was relevant in the face of the threat of the Cold War, but now it is the federation that can save the country from collapse.

“Let's live in peace. We do not climb to you, you do not climb to us. We live in one country, common borders, common territory .... People see that the authorities are not ready to answer for what is happening in the country, and they themselves are ready, first with sticks and then with weapons, defend your point of view. We need to think with our own head and understand that we are on the verge of a civil war, on the verge of splitting the country, ”said the“ special ”favorite of official Moscow.

He supported the deputy in the idea of ​​actual administrative decentralization and his colleague Oleg Tsarev. “When in the west they put monuments to Bandera with money earned in the east, it is unfair. We have different churches, different heroes, different attitudes towards stories, ”He wrote on his Facebook page.

But not everyone is just as strongly convinced that the idea of ​​federalization is what Ukraine needs right now. “The federalization of Ukraine is more talked about in Moscow than in Kiev or in the Ukrainian regions. At this moment, both the Ukrainian authorities and the Ukrainian opposition are interested in the unity of the country, ”the Vzglyad quotes the words of the parliamentary deputy of the parliament Oles Doniya.

An interesting picture is generally formed: the goal of Kolesnichenko, Tsarev and Doni is the same, but the ways of its realization are mutually exclusive. Let it be wild, but so in Ukrainian!

It is more interesting here, however, not even so much in itself, a proposal worthy of a broad discussion, but rather the Olympic calmness demonstrated by pro-government deputies. As if already there is no Maidan, as if already there are no “Molotov cocktails”. And if there is nothing like this “no”, one can also dream, distract, forget. After all, there are deep doubts that the likely federalization of Ukraine today is a guarantee of civil peace. But the reason for the discussion is great. Well, light up on the central TV channels, again ...

In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, the well-known public figure, chairman of the Dnipropetrovsk Russian community, Viktor Trukhov, called the idea of ​​the federalization of Ukraine, called it a provocation:

- Just at this moment the question of the federation should not be raised at all. A federation is actually a prologue to the destruction of any state, like, for example, the Russian Federation is a prologue to the destruction of Russia. Ukraine is the heart of Russia, and splitting it in a federal format means actually losing another territory, which in the future will be very difficult to reunite.

Public statements Kolesnichenko, as a rule, are always stupid. Even speaking on television, he is not able as a deputy to create an attractive image so that his words have at least the appearance of weight. And the “attractiveness” of his train of thought is a separate story altogether. I say it quite responsibly, I can say it in his face, I know him well. And his current statement is pure provocation.

First, who will let him reformat the polity? This is just a PR statement. And the West in Ukraine needs a civil war, and no federal state.

There is such an interesting game: the West "regrets", gives advice, expresses a position, but in fact everything goes to a large-scale fratricidal war. When in Dnepropetrovsk, “guests” from Maidan tried to seize the regional administration and killed a policeman, they did not say a word to the media. I myself only learned about this directly from the colleagues of the murdered man.

Bandera and now there are hanging around the regional council. I personally observed how they relate to people: even their companions are sometimes beaten. So what kind of "federation" can there be a speech, when people, watching all these scenes, already sometimes doubt - do they not join them in these militants who at least try to impose some order on themselves, unlike toothless power?

The country was once artificially dismembered thanks to communist propaganda. After all, everyone in Ukraine, up to 1917, considered themselves Russians, including those in the West. Later, the so-called internationalist treatment was carried out: the Bolsheviks took up the formation of national cadres.

At the direction of Lenin, who, in turn, was guided by the instructions of the Entente, national enclaves were formed, and after that the process of processing people's self-awareness by firing up conflicts was launched. And they are still alive in the people's memory, more than one generation has to pass in order for the memory of the mass slaughter provoked by the Bolsheviks in Western Ukraine to go to the earth together with the old people who remember it.

By the way, it is characteristic that Bandera, with all its “separatism”, consider themselves to come from Kievan Rus, but for some reason, Ukrainians. Full semantic eclecticism, porridge in their heads! Here, overcoming the historical ignorance of young people should be addressed to Messrs Kolesnichenko, Tsarev, and others like them. And they are engaged only in posturing in public and allow themselves irresponsible statements about the need for a federation, without thinking what it may lead to.

And all this will lead to the fact that the split of Ukraine will not be a figure of speech, but a fact. But how then to be with the blood spilled by the soldiers of the tsarist and Soviet armies? ..
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  1. jjj
    jjj 4 February 2014 07: 08
    +19
    For some reason, it seems that the immediate entry of Ukraine into Russia is a bomb, and not so delayed. A smooth progressive process is needed, without pedaling, without transferring modern intra-Ukrainian processes to Russia. And, based on realities, western Ukraine will not be Russian. Well, unless if you clean it. But this is not our method. Therefore, it seems that the slogan is federal, and they suggest a confederal one - this is when parts of the state are almost completely independent of each other - so the federal structure of the state is the first step towards Ukraine’s involvement in Russia
    1. Prokop
      Prokop 4 February 2014 07: 27
      +45
      The western regions are so saturated with Russophobia that their accession to Russia is suicide, you probably will not find such concentrated hostility to everything RUSSIAN anywhere. It is better to amputate a rotten organ, it's a pity, it hurts, but if not, it will lead to death of the whole organism.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 4 February 2014 08: 10
        +5
        The authorities are not taking any measures to stop the rampant crime! Yanukovych and did not try to use force! Indeed, in Ukraine there is no fool who would not understand that you can’t attack the police, even if you really want to. In Ukraine, politicians do not serve the people, but the oligarchs, including foreign ones, and public servants serve not the laws and the people, but the politicians. The people are defenseless. And feeling it is trying to defend their rights. This is me about the common people who are on the Maidan. Without their moral support, the militants would have been dispersed long ago.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 4 February 2014 08: 43
          +12
          Quote: jjj
          For some reason, it seems that the immediate entry of Ukraine into Russia is a bomb, and not so delayed.


          Honestly, Ukraine in general is not needed for nafig as part of the Russian Federation as another republic or region. The next paid slogan "Stop feeding X * x * l * v !!!" etc. It is much easier to keep the country on a short leash in the form of a gas pipe and cooperation with Russian industrial enterprises.
          The only thing I would meet with a bang is the secession of the Crimean autonomy and its accession to the Russian Federation. This is yes!

          Quote: Z.O.V.
          The authorities are not taking any measures to stop the rampant crime! Yanukovych did not try to use force!

          As soon as he uses force, we will see the information war in all its glory.

          Quote: Z.O.V.
          The people are defenseless. And feeling it is trying to defend their rights. This is me about the common people who are on the Maidan.

          Since people went out to defend their rights, why are there no slogans with the names of the current oligarchs? They will not be, so they sponsor this coven.

          When they write to defend the rights, I immediately want to spit. We have already passed this in 1991. There, it seems, they also went out for rights and freedom, but in the end it turned out that you had been divorced to "justice" и "patriotism".
          1. Nevsky_ZU
            Nevsky_ZU 4 February 2014 09: 48
            +24
            sledgehammer102
            The only thing I would meet with a bang is the secession of the Crimean autonomy and its accession to the Russian Federation. This is yes!


            So the Russians of Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkov and the city of the hero of Odessa are the second grade among the Russians? what
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 4 February 2014 10: 06
              +4
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              So the Russians of Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkov and the city of the hero of Odessa are the second grade among the Russians?


              Not certainly in that way. and the reasons for such an opinion, at once tale - utopian and most likely wrong, are stated above.

              Ukraine as a whole will not voluntarily join the Russian Federation, and it’s not a fact that the above-mentioned areas will be included there, the same applies to Kiev. Years of youth brainwashing do their job.
              1. Nevsky_ZU
                Nevsky_ZU 4 February 2014 10: 09
                +15
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                So the Russians of Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkov and the city of the hero of Odessa are the second grade among the Russians?


                Not certainly in that way. and the reasons for such an opinion, at once tale - utopian and most likely wrong, are stated above.

                Ukraine as a whole will not voluntarily join the Russian Federation, and it’s not a fact that the above-mentioned areas will be included there, the same applies to Kiev. Years of youth brainwashing do their job.


                And for Kiev, I did not say. The fact that we lost it, I also wrote in my first publications a year ago. Germany was not afraid to swallow the GDR, and you are afraid even to return yours: south-eastern Ukraine? sad
                1. sledgehammer102
                  sledgehammer102 4 February 2014 10: 45
                  +8
                  Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                  And for Kiev, I did not say. The fact that we lost it, I also wrote in my first publications a year ago. Germany was not afraid to swallow the GDR, and you are afraid even to return yours: south-eastern Ukraine?


                  The question is how this will happen.
                  For Sevastopol and its desire to be a Russian city, I am sure. But for all other areas there is no, as there is no certainty that all Ukrainians or Russian Southeast will be for joining.

                  Everything was clear with the GDR. It was an industrialized republic, with a very educated working people, who for the most part wanted to reunite with the West. Can the same be said of all residents of the Russian regions of Ukraine? I’m talking about propaganda and brainwashing of youth.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 4 February 2014 22: 46
                    +2
                    Quote: sledgehammer102
                    Everything was clear with the GDR. It was an industrialized republic, with a very educated working people,

                    You correctly used the word "was", nothing remained of the former industrial power of the GDR, for the same reason that industry died in the rest of Eastern Europe. And if joining the FRG is harm for the GDR, then for Ukraine joining Russia is a clear benefit.
                2. avt
                  avt 4 February 2014 10: 51
                  +8
                  Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                  Are you afraid to even return yourselves: southeastern Ukraine?

                  Those in power are REALLY afraid. You are absolutely right . An indirect confirmation is the long-term tedious conversation of liberoids of all stripes, turning into a howl, in Gozman, for example, about what should be done with care, how to talk with equals with Ukraine. That is to condone the creation of an evil Nazi state of Bendera in the end. They are in Russia etching the fact that the inhabitants of Ukraine are builders and full members of the Empire, which existed in different borders under different names for centuries. Moreover, at gunpoint, they hold Russia which they fiercely hate precisely for its imperial spirit, never broken, not etched away in 24 years, creating a certain image of a flawed, tortured colonial people who suddenly became independent of the Empire with the ability to play us off. The author of the article is absolutely right. Only when the inhabitants of Ukraine, most of them, realize that they are part of a larger and whole, quite a significant part, when they manage to get out of the oligarchic trap - the “Party of Regions” and organize a real structure - the Russian World Party in the localities. Then on the land where they live there will be peace, otherwise they will continue to be played against Russia until the outbreak of a fratricidal war. And the forms of reunification, as history has shown, can be completely different, we will calmly agree without the Nazis and their masters.
                  1. zzz
                    zzz 4 February 2014 12: 17
                    0
                    Quote: avt
                    Only when the inhabitants of Ukraine, most of them, realize that they are part of a larger and whole, a rather significant part, when they manage to get out of the oligarchic trap - the “Party of Regions” and organize a real structure - the Russian World Party in the localities. Then on the land where they live there will be peace.


                    Do you think that this is real if all the media are in the hands of those who are opposed to the South-East being able to realize this? This is where Russia should help them if it is interested in these areas, as pro-Russian. It seems that Russia now does not care about all of its abandoned Russians. Well, in any case, I have the impression.
                    1. avt
                      avt 4 February 2014 12: 56
                      0
                      Quote: zzz
                      This is where Russia should help them if it is interested in these areas, as pro-Russian. It seems that Russia now does not care about all of its abandoned Russians. Well, in any case, I have the impression.

                      request And what am I talking about !? Since the 91st reign of EBoN the All-drunken in Russia, the liberoid part of the "elite" with frenzied force, and the one really standing at the helm of power, which is only the "economic bloc" of the government, which is entirely composed of members of the totalitarian sect "Gaidarov's Witnesses", has resisted the very notion of Russian Peace. Only "universal" values, no "special way." his eyebrows are towards the problems. But in fact - how many menacing shouts about the execution of the May GDPR decrees have we heard? What are the results? Only the next, last meeting on the need for their unconditional implementation.
                3. dmb
                  dmb 4 February 2014 12: 19
                  +1
                  Dear Slavik. Although your opponent is the singer of the current Russian government, from which, in his opinion, only unearthly wisdom and divine radiance emanate, nevertheless in this case he is right. The unification of our states is possible only if there is one social system and one ideology. You are talking about the annexation of the so-called "Russian" regions, and how many of your fellow citizens agree to change their Kozolupenko for our Chubais, or your "in white and with a scythe" for our Medvedev. Why is Gazprom better than Naftogaz? And we still have Serdyukov and Golikov. We have a lot. One thing I can firmly promise you that you will not see such cheap air travel that the citizens of Ukraine now have.
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 4 February 2014 13: 22
                    +1
                    Having lived a couple of months in Russia, they’ll exchange it in a swoop.
                4. nnz226
                  nnz226 4 February 2014 20: 17
                  +1
                  Germany "swallowed" the GDR entirely! To accept the southeastern and eastern regions of Ukraine into Russia, the square must be divided somehow! Crimea is still autonomy (according to the constitution of ukraine), the issue with the ARC can be somehow "grinded", and - in order to accept the southeast and east, these regions should also, at least, become autonomies. And this article is directed against this ...
                5. Setrac
                  Setrac 4 February 2014 22: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                  Germany was not afraid to swallow the GDR, and are you even afraid to return yours: southeastern Ukraine?

                  Do you agree how the Germans wait forty years for this moment?
            2. Yuri Sev Caucasus
              Yuri Sev Caucasus 4 February 2014 12: 56
              +2
              no and no again you are our BROTHERS for faith. spirit and blood !!! which means a lot !!!
            3. Arhj
              Arhj 4 February 2014 17: 15
              +1
              So the Russians of Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkov and the city of the hero of Odessa are the second grade among the Russians?


              Do not forget about the Russian western regions. That's who it’s really scary for.
            4. xan
              xan 4 February 2014 19: 26
              +1
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              So the Russians of Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkov and the city of the hero of Odessa are the second grade among the Russians?

              Not. It’s just that you have fewer people there who are ready to connect with Russia.
            5. Setrac
              Setrac 4 February 2014 22: 43
              0
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              So the Russians of Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkov and the city of the hero of Odessa are the second grade among the Russians?

              Pay attention to the nickname "sledgehammer102", this person is only encrypted under Russian and is not, apparently, a provocateur.
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 4 February 2014 13: 20
            -2
            Ukraine as such is not needed; new regions are needed in the Southern Federal District. Galicia to Poland, the rest is rightfully ours.
            1. sssla
              sssla 4 February 2014 16: 07
              +4
              Quote: EvilLion
              Galicia to Poland, the rest is rightfully ours.

              I advise you to go to the store where they sell very good LIPPING machines and buy yourself a couple
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 4 February 2014 22: 51
                0
                Quote: EvilLion
                Ukraine as such is not needed; new regions are needed in the Southern Federal District. Galicia to Poland, the rest is rightfully ours.

                Cons
                Quote: sssla
                I advise you to go to the store where they sell very good LIPPING machines and buy yourself a couple

                плюсы

                A strange distribution of pros and cons, it seems that there are more people on the site than there are supporters of the union of Ukraine and Russia.

                Hey, the patriots of Russia are still on the site?
            2. Cherdak
              Cherdak 4 February 2014 22: 59
              0
              Quote: EvilLion
              Galicia to Poland



              So I see how the Maidan spawn is torn to Europe
          3. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 4 February 2014 15: 31
            +7
            hi
            10-year-old boy - Lev Protasov from Yekaterinburg last year wrote a poem that caused a storm of emotions among readers.

            You read it slowly, and then reflect on what books, toys, films, cartoons, you need to educate your children so that they write such masterpieces in 10 years, have such a high level of awareness in their lives and feel personal responsibility for the fate of their homeland ? And if we all raised our children like that, the questions that we are discussing today would arise ...

            Still small, but I can judge
            And no one will blame me -
            There is no country more beautiful than Russia!
            I know this conclusion in advance!

            I grow up - I travel the world.
            And I'm sure, to the shores of the Native,
            There will be an irresistible craving
            Though from where - but I will return to them!

            Because I'm Russian in Spirit!
            Because Russia is my Earth!
            Because My Mother is a Slav
            And she gave birth to me in Russia!

            Because here is my home and school!
            Grandfather, Father and all my friends,
            Russian, beloved Nature,
            Speech dear, here is my family!

            Because my great-grandfather by blood
            For our Russia - laid down in the land!
            The feat of our warrior heroes
            I know - not one people remembers!

            From the brown plague to the whole Earth
            Russian soldiers saved.
            The feat of their oblivion is not subject to.
            I will bow them to the waist to the ground!

            "Dogs" now bark at Mother Russia
            Together with her I will accept this pain.
            I will grow, get stronger, mature
            And you, Dear, I will help!

            You got a little sick right now
            Nothing, Russian, be strong!
            Hope for me as before
            Don't give up, Mother - hold on!

            Will you rise - great and mighty
            You’ll bloom like an apple tree in spring!
            For me you will be the best!
            The most beloved and Native!
        2. Fin
          Fin 4 February 2014 09: 35
          +5
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          The authorities are not taking any measures to stop the rampant crime! Yanukovych did not try to use force!

          And will not try:
          KIEV, Feb 4 - RIA News. President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych is ready for early parliamentary and presidential elections, if this remains the only democratic way to resolve the political crisis in the country, said Yury Miroshnichenko, presidential envoy to the Verkhovna Rada on ICTV.

          Apparently they promised the safety of accounts in the West and a quiet old age outside the cell. Leaked everyone. Mazepa 2.
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        4. siberalt
          siberalt 5 February 2014 01: 22
          +1
          Yanukovych will watch the Olympics. On TV. And he will retire in February. Already there is nowhere to "zip".
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      2. Arhj
        Arhj 4 February 2014 08: 40
        +15
        Quote: Prokop
        The western regions are so saturated with Russophobia that their accession to Russia is suicide, you probably will not meet anywhere else with such concentrated hostility to everything RUSSIAN.

        You live in Ukraine, you know better. I have not been to Western Ukraine, but something tells me that people are simply afraid to express their opinion. With the full connivance of the center, power in Western Ukraine was seized by a few, but extremely aggressive groups of Bandera, who harshly cut down on any attempts to express disagreement. It is not a fact that if the regions are rid of this infection, the balance of power can change. The bulk of the population often does not care what course the country is heading, as long as it is "warm, light and the flies do not bite"
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 4 February 2014 10: 23
          +2
          Quote: Arhj
          It is not a fact that if the regions get rid of this infection, the alignment of forces may change.

          Fuck, you already fix that in the West. The Soviet government was not able to do anything, especially now.
        2. avt
          avt 4 February 2014 13: 22
          0
          Quote: Arhj
          but something tells me that people are simply afraid to express their opinions.

          request Well, that's okay! If there are no real leaders who can not only raise people, but also lead them to achieve their goal, those who, unlike Ssyklivov Yankukovich who sells Ukraine in bulk, people will believe, those who will not abandon and sell, who will go crazy like this from the bay risk your life? It was only from different Svanidzes that the Soviet people, according to Tolstoy, suddenly, in spite of Stalin and the Bolshevik Party with the economic organs, seized the "cudgel of the people's wrath" and won the Great Patriotic War, despite the "bloody tyrant with the NKVDshniki" who interfered with him. Kovpak needs a new one, then Russia, or rather the authorities, will not get out, as the war of 08.08.08 showed in due time.
      3. domokl
        domokl 4 February 2014 08: 46
        +9
        Quote: Prokop
        The western regions are so saturated with Russophobia that their accession to Russia is suicide

        To be honest, I also got the impression from this interview that a person seeks to wishful thinking.
        What kind of reunion can we talk about now? Especially the whole of Ukraine? I completely agree with your words about the west of Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine, alas, this is only part of the country.
        At the moment, Yanukovych is playing on the side of the opposition, no matter how paradoxical it sounds. Delaying the solution to the problem has already led to the fact that civil war is spoken of as a fait accompli. The West openly speaks of its armament, the creation of a rebel army, albeit under another name. For the time being, the East calls it self-defense units. But it already exists.
        Alas, again, it is possible to prevent a split only by force. And this is no longer possible. Given the amorphous nature of the Ukrainian army and the SBU.
        1. olviko
          olviko 4 February 2014 10: 40
          +5
          "At the moment, Yanukovych is playing on the side of the opposition, no matter how paradoxical it sounds"

          It sounds normal, Yanukovych in his repertoire, is trying to eat fish and not to choke on a bone. Of course, Yanukovych is not a loyal person to Russia and, in general, a rather rotten comrade. When developing his policy with regard to Ukraine, Russia has to take this circumstance into account. It’s just now in Ukraine no one is more suitable, the rest are even worse. For Yanukovych, apparently, the highest value is his accounts in the West and property in Ukraine. God forbid that he would understand that he had already lost his accounts, at least property and freedom must be preserved. If Yulia comes out, Yanukovych will sit in her place. In principle, there is not much difference between the opposition and the authorities, the same PR and Yanukovych personally have repeatedly stated that they are striving for European integration, which Ukraine has absolutely not promised to Ukraine. Half of the population does not understand the difference between the association agreement, which even the Palestinian Authority has, and full membership in the EU. Naive people seriously think that every resident of Ukraine will be paid a welfare of 10 euros per month at the expense of German and French taxpayers. And when they propose joining Ukraine to Russia, an answer to the question is needed - what to do with these 000% of the population, who are now very sympathetic to Galician militants? And this is not the only question. It seems to me, on the one hand, that Ukraine should be allowed to eat this Maidan democracy in the most severe form, before vomiting. This is for prevention, so that the people finally get rid of illusions and understand that Galichina can make a mess that threatens a complete destabilization of the whole country and what awaits the country in the event of the arrival of power zapadentsev. The formation of fighting squads to reflect attempts to seize administrative buildings gives hope that the process, albeit slowly, has begun. On the other hand, Russia should not lose control of Yanukovych so that he could not deviate far from the most suitable line of behavior for Russia. And of course not West to carry out their game.
        2. sssla
          sssla 4 February 2014 16: 16
          0
          Quote: domokl
          And this is no longer possible. Given the amorphous nature of the Ukrainian army and the SBU.

          What an amorphous! I found out the news yesterday and was in shock. It turns out that SBU school graduates presented graduation documents to the ambassador of a foreign power, and guess what, with three attempts? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEAN !? Comments I think are superfluous
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        4. siberalt
          siberalt 5 February 2014 01: 29
          +1
          Before reuniting, you need to "cleanse the territory" of the Nazis, but not with the hands of Russian soldiers. We need to start with the restoration of Russian culture. And it will take many years to correct the brain.
      4. Denis
        Denis 4 February 2014 09: 55
        +8
        Quote: Prokop
        It is better to amputate a rotten organ, it is a pity, it hurts, but if not, then this will lead to death of the whole organism.

        That's for sure -
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 5 February 2014 01: 31
          +1
          Cool demotivator! Something reminds mountains of corpses in Auschwitz.
          +100
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      5. DMB-78
        DMB-78 4 February 2014 11: 36
        +1
        Quote: Prokop
        . It is better to amputate a rotten organ, it’s a pity, it hurts, but if not, then this will lead to the death of the whole organism.

        and no antibiotics will help anymore
      6. Algor73
        Algor73 4 February 2014 13: 09
        +4
        The struggle is heating up. But have you personally been to these western regions? What is Russophobia? Or do you consider a handful of upstarts who do not understand at all what they are doing and what goals they are pursuing, the entire population of the regions? Wake up. The majority perceives Russia as a friendly country. But it is beneficial for someone (not for Russia and the Russians, no), so that they think so, so that the general opinion in the East and South is formed, someone benefits from inciting mutual hatred. Probably, it's easier to catch fish in troubled waters. But I will say more - in all the western regions the activity of the so-called "opposition to everything" began to decline. People don't believe, people want order. And not ordinary citizens do not want reunification, but those who are near the trough of power, who have not yet eaten. And the instrument is in their hands - the common people. You ask what they want - almost everyone wants to remove the president, and what will happen next - they are silent. You need to figure it out first, and then, to please someone, write.
        1. 222222
          222222 4 February 2014 13: 51
          +4
          I came across today on the forum .. The key question .. "But who will get the pieces from this pie? An old Maidan woman with a saucepan on her head? Or a tough fighter for Vilna Ukraine (these are generally consumables; they do not feel sorry for their opponents or their owners, one word - "cannon fodder") Maybe a piece of the revolutionary pie will be taken by female students from Lviv or miners from Donbass?

          Who will remove all the cream from the Ukrainian revolution? Only the one who orders the music.

          And by the way, which of the "leaders" of the Ukrainian opposition knows how to work? What is it for so many years of free Ukraine their curators oiro-civilizers have not taught Yushchenko or Tymoshenko how to improve the welfare of Ukraine and ordinary Ukrainians? Why did the oiro integrators care about the overthrow of Yanukovych, and not the housing construction in Ukraine? And there are a lot of such why you can ask (and in relation to Russia, too).
          In short, if the Maidan wants to be in Oyro-pu, if the Maidan is led by Oyro-enlighteners, then this Maidan is the face of Oyro-pu!
          "God save me from such friends!"
          So who is the CAT that will lick the cream of the "Ukrainian" "revolution" ????
      7. EvilLion
        EvilLion 4 February 2014 13: 19
        0
        And why regret that before Stalin from Europe and did not climb out?
    2. ele1285
      ele1285 4 February 2014 07: 50
      +8
      Quote: jjj
      that the immediate introduction of Ukraine into Russia is not our method.

      I don’t remember who, Napoleon or Frederick II said, if I like a territory, I seize it, and the task of my diplomats is to “clarify why I had the right to do this.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 08: 08
        +9
        Quote: ele1285
        I don’t remember who, Napoleon or Frederick II said, if I like a territory, I seize it, and the task of my diplomats is to “clarify why I had the right to do this.

        Both federalization and reunification should take place peacefully without fireworks and fireworks salutes on the streets of Ukrainian cities.
        Forceful and illegitimate federalization is a civil war.
        Forceful and illegitimate reunification - occupation.
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 4 February 2014 08: 55
          +3
          There are a lot of countries in the world in which the "loose", unorganized majority is ruled by an active, aggressive minority. The Westerners are active and ready to fight for the "idea", in addition, they are ready to pay for this "Struggle" ... The East is passive, which means it is doomed to defeat and submission ... Russia gives money to the regime that preserves this state, but it must give - to activists who are ready to fight against Bendera and defend Russian civilization ... We need to help, guide, teach, support them with information ... In this case, when there is more than one active force in the country, you can agree on something. In the meantime, the Westerners may not pay any attention to the miserable yapping of the authorities. For she cannot take active actions because afraid of losing their capital. The only thing that it can do is not interfere with the organization of active structures in the east!
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 4 February 2014 09: 47
          +2
          Quote: stalkerwalker

          Forceful and illegitimate federalization is a civil war.
          Forceful and illegitimate reunification - occupation.

          08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. forceful and legitimate, and not necessarily reunification and federalization.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 18: 33
            +2
            Quote: ele1285
            08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. forceful and legitimate, and not necessarily reunification and federalization.

            It was a war ...
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 4 February 2014 20: 12
              0
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Quote: ele1285
              08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. forceful and legitimate, and not necessarily reunification and federalization.

              It was a war ...

              And let's try to replay them in goodies. They don’t want war. And they killed the police for fun, and they are kind.
              Have you still not understood that the war has already begun?
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 20: 55
                +2
                Quote: ele1285
                Have you still not understood that the war has already begun?

                Do not confuse a street brawl with the bloodshed of an entire nation.
                In the current state of the economies of the world, potentially claiming to participate in hostilities in the territory (and beyond) of Ukraine, only mattress mattresses will receive economic dividends. So they are trying - the US military-industrial complex requires military orders (a tried-and-tested version from World War II).
                Guides of Geyropa are either imbeciles, or stupid (utterly) and obedient executors of the will of the United States, if they think to sit out far from the Syrian scenario in Ukraine. Moreover, European Islamists will quickly return to Europe, to the newly opened Ukrainian front.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 4 February 2014 23: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Do not confuse a street brawl with the bloodshed of an entire nation.

                  For a dying soldier (policeman), the scale of the conflict does not matter.
                2. ele1285
                  ele1285 5 February 2014 00: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: stalkerwalker

                  Do not confuse a street brawl with the bloodshed of an entire nation.
                  In the current state of the economies of the world, potentially claiming to participate in hostilities in the territory (and beyond) of Ukraine, only mattress mattresses will receive economic dividends. So they are trying - the US military-industrial complex requires military orders (a tried-and-tested version from World War II).
                  Guides of Geyropa are either imbeciles, or stupid (utterly) and obedient executors of the will of the United States, if they think to sit out far from the Syrian scenario in Ukraine. Moreover, European Islamists will quickly return to Europe, to the newly opened Ukrainian front.

                  Yes, I agree on mattresses and geyropeytsami, only it was not a street brawl, but a war. Take off your pink glasses, they are killing us, they are killing the Russian world, what a pity that it is impossible to convey emotions in the text, I am not Tolstoy and not Dostoevsky.
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 4 February 2014 23: 01
          +2
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Both federalization and reunification should take place peacefully without fireworks and fireworks salutes on the streets of Ukrainian cities.
          Forceful and illegitimate federalization is a civil war.
          Forceful and illegitimate reunification - occupation.

          Strange, but for some reason when you enter the EU you accept force methods, go with your double standards to European forums, there you will find understanding.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 23: 11
            +2
            Quote: Setrac
            go with your double standards to European forums, there you will find understanding.

            Did you come from there?
            Quote: Setrac
            For a dying soldier (policeman), the scale of the conflict does not matter.

            You realize that what awaits Russia and Ukraine if the guns speak?
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 4 February 2014 23: 19
              +2
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              You realize that what awaits Russia and Ukraine if the guns speak?

              The very statement of the question is incorrect, one must say WHEN the guns start talking, and immediately the meaning changes. Do you propose to yield to the West in everything "if only there was no war"?
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 23: 25
                +2
                Quote: Setrac
                Do you propose to yield to the West in everything "if only there was no war"?

                Anyway, we will only have to WATCH what is happening in Ukraine, hoping that a civil war will not break out.
                "Throw on Pristina" in Ukrainian today will not work.
                In the end, Ukraine as a state still exists. And the first word is for the citizens of Ukraine.
      2. xan
        xan 4 February 2014 19: 29
        +1
        Quote: ele1285
        Napoleon or Frederick II said that if I like a territory, I seize it, and the task of my diplomats is to "clarify why I had the right to do this.

        Frederick 2
        famous cynical thought
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 4 February 2014 20: 09
          0
          Quote: xan
          Frederick 2
          famous cynical thought

          And politics is already full of cynicism, and in no other way. Whether they are us or we them. And the cynic is a well-informed optimist
    3. 222222
      222222 4 February 2014 11: 00
      +4
      Let's look at this slogan from the other side ....
      In 2015, there are Presidential elections in Ukraine .. There may be earlier parliamentary and presidential elections .. Earlier, the Party of Regions won on the slogans of an alliance with Russia and the Russian language as a second state language .. From which, having come to power, I successfully .. forgot and began to lose interest support for the electorate even in the east and south of Ukraine .. So they pulled out the old slogan "Federal Ukraine" ... Ukraine and so the federation - the presence of an AUTONOMOUS Republic of Crimea ... Federation is a form, but the content will remain the same - the centralized power of Kiev ... but in this case, all problems will be dumped into place.
      .. And you begin to understand how wisely the Czechs and Slovaks did in due time ..
  2. Ihrek
    Ihrek 4 February 2014 07: 18
    +9
    The salvation of Ukraine lies in reunification. Naturally, YSA will do everything possible to prevent this, since it is against the salvation of Ukraine as well as against a strong Russia. The principle of "Divide and Conquer" is important for him, which has proved its effectiveness more than once.
    1. xan
      xan 4 February 2014 19: 39
      +1
      Quote: Jamal1974
      The reunion is the salvation of Ukraine. Naturally, USA will do everything possible to prevent this,

      Then the US needs to somehow save Ukraine from default with something like the Marshall Plan. But they do not want this. Personally, I think that there are such Ukrainians, and there are many of them who are ready to give up state sovereignty to the EU or America in the literal sense, if only not with the Russians. In this sense, only fasting helps. It is only important that in the process of health starvation Ukraine possessed sovereignty for obvious reasons. Although neither the EU nor the United States will come to such a direct confrontation with Russia because of Ukraine, they will not even come out of the cafe.
  3. Vladimir.z.
    Vladimir.z. 4 February 2014 07: 25
    +1
    Quote .... The Russian Federation is a prologue to the destruction of Russia .....

    This is indeed so when the Soviet Union was made from the Russian Empire - and division into republics with local party leaders had already begun, and the Union they had now destroyed the princes, khans and bais in our republics and we have a tsar. And the creation of the Federation is a further programmed action on the future collapse .... This can be seen in the example of the Caucasian republics, etc. .... When the authorities at the top are weak, they are trying to get rid of it ... Therefore, it’s necessary to end this kind of crap .....
  4. Jarik56
    Jarik56 4 February 2014 07: 25
    +12
    Bismarck also said that Russia can be defeated only by separating Ukraine from it. Why do we need wide-ranging Bandera-Westerners? We need the original Russian lands of Eastern Ukraine. And Crimea (probably everyone knows) even before the voluntaristic decision of Kukuruzo (N.S. Khrushchev) was the region of the RSFSR. And before the collapse of the USSR, Sevastopol was in direct jurisdiction of the USSR, bypassing all other instances of the union republics.
    Let us celebrate the anniversary of the Reunion of 1654 with the same Reunion of the fraternal peoples !!!
    1. domokl
      domokl 4 February 2014 08: 56
      +2
      Quote: Jarik56
      Bismarck also said that Russia can be defeated only by separating Ukraine from it.

      lol I am wildly sorry, but where did you read this? When did he say that? I specifically decided to supplement my knowledge and revised what I found about Bismarck ... There aren’t such words there ...
      And now about the Ukrainians ... Bandera Westerners are Ukrainians or not already? What did you offer emotionally, but ... You actually proposed tearing Ukraine apart and annexing a couple ... to blame, to attach ...
      This is exactly what Western politicians want ... They have a small independent Belarus like a huge boil in the backside ... And big Ukraine ...
      1. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 4 February 2014 09: 25
        +2
        domokl (2) Today, 08:56 AM
        "... This is exactly what Western politicians want ... And the big Ukraine ..."

        Remember: "I would take in parts, but I need to immediately." Likewise, Eurek, a piece of Okraina is not needed. In addition, apart from guest-workers, there is nothing nemae on the entom. On the contrary, we are not bad without Bendera. And there are already enough Gaster so we think who needs what.
    2. Oleg Sobol
      Oleg Sobol 4 February 2014 09: 11
      +1
      Bismarck said: The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you only need to find and nurture traitors among the elite and, with their help, change the self-awareness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time.

      To undermine the power of Russia and defeat Russia, these are two different things!
      But what Bismarck said is implemented on all 100%.
      1. domokl
        domokl 4 February 2014 09: 22
        +5
        Be so kind as to name the place where you read this statement from ... I know very well what he allegedly said .. Otto von Bismarck died in 1890 ... As far as I remember in March. At that time these territories were officially called Little Russia. It is doubtful to me that Bismarck knew about the linguistic attempts of modern Ukrainians ...
  5. Ihrek
    Ihrek 4 February 2014 07: 33
    +7
    Russia should more aggressively defend its interests in Ukraine, because it is impossible to lose Ukraine.
  6. GorynychZmey78
    GorynychZmey78 4 February 2014 07: 34
    +1
    read the news? it seems that all the yanyk was completely blown away and waited for Ukraine to the mercy of fate, too, he officially announced that there would be some Maidan and, therefore, he would not disperse the Natsyks, but would better resign! full wimp negative

    © AFP 2013 / Pool / Andrew Kravchenko
    KIEV, Feb 4 - RIA News. President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych is ready for early parliamentary and presidential elections, if this remains the only democratic way to resolve the political crisis in the country, said Yury Miroshnichenko, presidential envoy to the Verkhovna Rada on ICTV.
    According to him, a forceful scenario for resolving the crisis is not being considered, and there is no talk of declaring a state of emergency. “The president said:“ We have every opportunity to vacate the premises of the administrations by force and even liberate the Maidan (Nezalezhnosti). ”But he said:“ I will never do this <…>, ”added Miroshnichenko.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140204/992868336.html#ixzz2sEpAigAl
    1. GorynychZmey78
      GorynychZmey78 4 February 2014 07: 43
      +6
      and one more interesting news, in my opinion, proctically on the zapoda of Ukraine, under the very nose of the Benderaites, by the way, they are still holding the administration of Lutsk
      OPEN THE MONUMENT DO NOT TRUST STALIN !! good good good

      17:34 03/02/2014
      KIEV, Feb 3 - RIA Novosti, Victor Avdeenko. The monument to Stalin was opened in the western Ukrainian Lutsk (the administrative center of the Volyn region), the Communist Party of Ukraine website reported on Monday.

      "In Volyn, on the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the city of Lutsk and the lifting of the blockade of Leningrad, the Antifascist Committee, the Volyn Komsomol, the Communist Party, representatives of the city of Moscow in Lutsk, the Russian and Belarusian communities, and other public organizations took part in the opening of a monument to the unifier of today's Ukraine, the liberator of the whole world from the united the fascist forces of Europe to Generalissimo Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, "the message says.

      The message does not say who is the author of the monument, nor are the parameters of the monument. The specific place where the monument is installed is also not indicated.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 4 February 2014 09: 43
        +4
        Quote: GorynychZmey78
        OPEN THE MONUMENT DO NOT TRUST STALIN !!

        Opened, right. Only judging by the photo, he stands somewhere in the room. So this is most likely the CPU.
        1. GorynychZmey78
          GorynychZmey78 4 February 2014 17: 00
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: GorynychZmey78
          OPEN THE MONUMENT DO NOT TRUST STALIN !!

          Opened, right. Only judging by the photo, he stands somewhere in the room. So this is most likely the CPU.


          it’s necessary just to catch Bendera’s monuments smile peacefully and someone is not unharmed and everything will be in accordance with the law! Well, let's put a monument to Stalin right in the center of Lviv winked and sit in wait until they come to blow up!
          and then according to the article of their three years in a colony on (better in Belarus for re-education laughing) and so repeat ten times))
          I just do not know all the same they passed the law for the desecration of monuments, or did they also let them go on the brakes?
          1. Arhj
            Arhj 4 February 2014 17: 28
            +2
            Quote: GorynychZmey78
            it’s necessary just to catch Bendera’s monuments

            Joke on the topic.
            How to catch cats.
            We take the box, put it in the middle of the room, wait ...
            1. DMB-78
              DMB-78 4 February 2014 17: 39
              0
              Quote: Arhj
              We take the box, put it in the middle of the room, wait ...

              and if there is still bait in the form of a bust of Stalin in the valerian? laughing
    2. ele1285
      ele1285 4 February 2014 07: 56
      +2
      Quote: GorynychZmey78
      President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych is ready for early parliamentary and presidential elections, if this remains the only democratic way to resolve the political crisis in the country

      This one says, believe him - do not respect yourself.
      1. GorynychZmey78
        GorynychZmey78 4 February 2014 16: 46
        +1
        Quote: ele1285
        Quote: GorynychZmey78
        President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych is ready for early parliamentary and presidential elections, if this remains the only democratic way to resolve the political crisis in the country

        This one says, believe him - do not respect yourself.


        Well, that's right, that's right!
        Well, according to the idea, in order to maintain its dividends in the EU and at the same time not be beaten heavily in the east of Ukraine in Russia! can in principle go and take such an infantile step!
        not that I really feel sorry for him laughing well, just after his departure, the country is definitely kaput!
  7. serge
    serge 4 February 2014 08: 02
    +5
    Federalization-this is the split of Ukraine, simply called another term. The reunification of the east and south of Ukraine with Russia after this is only a matter of time.
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  9. Name
    Name 4 February 2014 08: 10
    +5
    Ukraine simply needs to be taken away from the Anglo-Saxons, with no options. I think it will be so.
  10. avia12005
    avia12005 4 February 2014 08: 33
    +3
    The only correct way out without blood is first at the first stage of the federalization of Ukraine on the 4 region - east, south, center and fascist west. The second stage is a confederation in the same regions. The third stage is the reunification of the east and south with Russia.
    1. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 4 February 2014 19: 23
      0
      Very good thought!
  11. kind
    kind 4 February 2014 08: 36
    +3
    Mattresses have actually begun the war against Russia. While there are provocations at the borders. The script is known since the late 30s of the last century. History does not teach anything, and yet Bismarck warned: “Do not hope that once you take advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, don’t rely on the Jesuit agreements that you allegedly justify you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it’s worth playing with the Russians either honestly or not at all. "
  12. Stinger
    Stinger 4 February 2014 08: 38
    +3
    Ukraine needs not “federalization”, but reunification with Russia

    Ukraine needs a good flogging. And she got it. The hard worker on the street in Kiev correctly said: No matter who comes to power in Ukraine, they will not forget this Maidan.
  13. ars_pro
    ars_pro 4 February 2014 08: 41
    +23
    Hello everyone from Kharkov !!! Against the background of what is happening in Kiev, I decided to crawl by contact and to communicate with Western people, so to speak, to break through their opinion at the same time and to express my own, agreed that in one of the groups I was banned hehe, further more, in the same place I wrote with a pretty girl like that from Lviv, to be honest, I have not heard such an outright flood towards Russia for a long time, even from Europeans and Estonians with Latvians, but oh well, I try to fasten my helmet neatly so that it does not break, but alas, it came to the point that at least in chains in Europe just not with Russia. The questions why the Maidan began immediately after Yanukovych demanded 160 billion from Europe did not hear an answer from anyone, since any specific question rested on the assertion about the impossibility of such a power and how good it is in Europe, I say there is more corruption in Europe than in Russia, I'm throwing links all under proof, but alas, I haven't had the proper result yet, what am I saying, why are your "heroes" leaving, leaving you here alone on the barricades, hehe, it turned out that these are poor martyrs, then I say, well If you throw off Yanukovych, then who will you put, okay, you will put someone there, and he will sign the association and then, because you do not have a program, again there is silence and there are no answers like backward. Well, okay, they want to be on their own, or rather under the heel of Europe, let them be, I hope no one will keep them. The question is probably now more about how to make the process of "divorce" of Ukraine less painless, phased and thoughtful, civilized, although here you can still think about whether there is any fish in this troubled water to catch. In general, there is a strange feeling of a dirty trick being prepared for us in the form of some kind of provocation, I think people in Ukraine should be prepared for this already now, and it is advisable to act proactively, and not poison romantic stories on TV about how to marry on Maidan, we’ll wait and see, and Russia should prepare , I hope some steps are being taken, not for the press, of course. Best regards, Arseny
    1. avia12005
      avia12005 4 February 2014 08: 46
      +7
      Kharkov - STO status am FACE!
      1. zzz
        zzz 4 February 2014 09: 29
        +6
        It's time to make Kharkov the capital! Certainly such a mess would not have happened. And Kiev, damn it, I understand that I wanted to fight with Yanukovych, but why under the banners of Bandera ??? !!! Really the mind did not have enough to understand what would follow this ??!
        1. sssla
          sssla 4 February 2014 16: 37
          +4
          Quote: zzz
          It's time to make Kharkov the capital! Certainly such a mess would not have happened

          I hope you know the movie "Heart of a Dog"? This is from there ---- "" "Devastation begins in the heads ....." "" Be glorious Mr. Kharkov, even the capital in a cube People are the same everywhere The devastation in the heads must be removed from our youth and middle (up to 35 years old) washed in the West "sv1domites" and in our Eastern "degenerates" with "education" that Ukraine was even before the mammoths (also not without the help of the West) Somewhere like that
    2. avia12005
      avia12005 4 February 2014 08: 46
      0
      Kharkov - STO status am FACE!
    3. zzz
      zzz 4 February 2014 09: 24
      +7
      Quote: ars_pro
      to be honest, such a frank flood towards Russia a long time ago


      How did these Bandera’s get? A bunch of unknown nationalities tearing into bondage pulls Ukraine, which has nothing to do with it. The only thing they have to do is to swear to Stalin how much blood they spoiled to normal people, being attached to the USSR and remaining in part of Ukraine. Nothing, where you are tearing, you will be greeted by Poles and Romanians with whips and they will not stand on ceremony with you like us. Lively remember your real story, lackeys and slaves. This will be the independence that you wanted.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 4 February 2014 09: 52
        +5
        Quote: zzz
        . The only thing for which it is necessary to swear to Stalin-how much blood they spoiled normal people, being annexed to the USSR, and remaining in Ukraine

        There is nothing to swear on him. To that historical situation I.V. Stalin did everything right! He created a shield in front of Russia in case of war, which was about to begin.
        1. zzz
          zzz 4 February 2014 09: 58
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          There is nothing to swear on him. To that historical situation I.V. Stalin did everything right! He created a shield in front of Russia in case of war, which was about to begin.


          I have nothing against Stalin. But it is human nature to make mistakes. The shield did not work then, but it turned out to be a knife in the back, and coffins until the mid-50s. And we are now observing a time bomb!
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 4 February 2014 23: 06
            0
            Quote: zzz
            I have nothing against Stalin. But it is human nature to make mistakes. The shield did not work then

            In general, it was not Stalin who created the republics, Stalin believed that this was a mistake, but he and Lenin had different goals.
      2. DMB-78
        DMB-78 4 February 2014 11: 54
        0
        Quote: zzz
        A bunch of unknown nationalities rushing into bondage

        and they didn’t crawl out of it almost the entire history. it is already at the genetic level
    4. DMB-78
      DMB-78 4 February 2014 11: 52
      0
      Quote: ars_pro
      communicate with western people, so to speak, pierce their opinion

      I don’t know how you do it, but apart from the word, I didn’t hear anything there. and any question is essentially answered as a carbon copy. Apparently by the methodology of behavior on the Internet. they are well prepared, a guiding hand is felt
  14. Mihail29
    Mihail29 4 February 2014 08: 49
    +1
    It is impossible to carry out reforms in Russia, when the supreme ruler of the daub especially such as the change of state. devices in Russia were already such reformers as Gorbachev and Nicholas II, you all know what all of this led to.
  15. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 4 February 2014 08: 50
    +2
    Everyone talks about Ukraine as an independent subject of international law, but after all, it is not, as you see, once Yanukovych is "ill", things are really bad. Now Washington and New York will decide what the "independent" Ukraine will do next.
  16. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 4 February 2014 08: 57
    +4
    First, politicians need to read IV Stalin - his work on the national question, then to study V.V. Zhirinovsky-its subject, on the division of the provinces It will immediately become clear that any Federation is initially a time bomb! Only holding a referendum and uniting on equal terms, and the state system is Unitary, with a division of the provinces!
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 4 February 2014 11: 52
      +2
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      it is clear that any Federation is originally a time bomb

      I agree.
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      unification on equal terms, and the state system is unitary, with the provincial division!

      Again, +, only the referendum must be properly prepared. At all stages. From intention to work on the basis of results. Why it is now impossible, wrote below.
    2. 222222
      222222 4 February 2014 17: 18
      0
      polkovnik manuch RU Today, 08:57 "..then study VV Zhirinovsky - his subject, ..". I do not want to quote Zhirinovsky's statements - read it yourself .. Soloviev's show "Zhirinovsky-Buzin" .. My firm opinion is Zhirinovsky is an old growth on the young body of Russia ..
      http://vm.ru/news/2014/01/30/vladimir-zhirinovskij-esli-ukraina-razvalitsya-u-va
      s-poyavitsya-20-millionov-bezhentsev-233259.html
  17. EvilLion
    EvilLion 4 February 2014 08: 57
    +6
    so that the memory of the mass slaughter provoked by the Bolsheviks in Western Ukraine goes to the ground along with the old people who remember it


    What? What else are the Bolsheviks in western Ukraine? After the revolution and the Soviet-Polish war, she was in Poland, and in Galicia, the Russian population still in the WWII who did not rot in the camps left with Russian troops. But it is impossible to explain the thought of Benderlogs, who organized the Volyn massacre of the Poles, and terror against the Soviet government.
    In general, the appearance of an independent in the 1918th itself shows that at that time ukrosvolok was already strong enough to begin to indulge in her favorite business, to surrender nenko to the invaders.
  18. Neophyte
    Neophyte 4 February 2014 09: 14
    +5
    The idea of ​​independence is the hydra that prevents the Ukrainian people from living in the Russian world calmly and
    comfortably. If put aside, homegrown tales of the oppression of peoples by tsarist Russia, and then
    within the framework of the USSR, it becomes clear that for the majority of the population of the former republics of the Union,
    the first place was its small world: family, work and more or less tolerable conditions of existence.
    A certain minority subject to the idea of ​​changing the existence of public relations, often in their personal
    interests, excited the masses about a certain Shambhala, what if ..., and how ..., then we will immediately live even better.
    The passionarity of individual historical figures, for the majority of those around them, has always been murderous.
  19. Altona
    Altona 4 February 2014 09: 32
    +6
    The idea of ​​"Independence" is based in its core on terrifying Russophobia, and it tries to turn to the past: "bloody tsarism, the Bolsheviks, surplus appropriation, artificial famine, eating Ukrainian bacon by the entire Soviet Union" ... So, in general, the whole simple arsenal of arguments ... There has been no Soviet Union for more than 20 years, Russia has no political influence on Ukraine at all, does not demand anything ... Moreover, in the 90s, not well fed for itself, subsidized the Ukrainian economy with fraternal gas prices, which many have already forgotten , but stubbornly fiddling with the helmets of Askold and Rurik ... Crimea and the Left Bank have never been Ukraine, if we look for ukrov in a dark room ... By historical standards, Ukraine is a baby ... After all, Germany became Germany only in the 19th century, uniting scattered duchies, and Spain and France already existed then ... At the same time, Germany did not complain about fate, but resolutely began to look for its place in the world and successfully found it ... I advise "ukram" to take a closer look at this example, and not look P reasons in the "bear grip" of Russia ...
  20. Egoza
    Egoza 4 February 2014 10: 02
    +5
    The article put a minus. The author writes outright nonsense!
    After all, all in Ukraine up to the 1917 of the year considered themselves Russian, including in the West.

    Where, then, came from the blue-eyed, if everyone considered themselves Russian? And in the West, and even more so.
    At the direction of Lenin, who, in turn, was guided by the instructions of the Entente, national enclaves were formed, and after that the process of processing people's self-awareness by firing up conflicts was launched. And they are still alive in the people's memory, more than one generation has to pass in order for the memory of the mass slaughter provoked by the Bolsheviks in Western Ukraine to go to the earth together with the old people who remember it.

    The processing of self-awareness began in the 19th century, when the "Polish project on Russian lands" was launched, when a part of the Russian people began to convince that they were a separate people - Ukrainian.
    In our time, the idea of ​​federalization was first expressed by the late leader of our nationalists, Chornovol. He understood very well that the state would not be unitary, and without Soviet power it would be impossible to keep the most ardent in check. But since the representatives of the memory department immediately realized that it would be possible to "panuvat" now, just let them seize power, then Chernovol died in a car accident.
  21. Karabin
    Karabin 4 February 2014 10: 53
    +3
    Ukraine is the heart of Russia,

    The non-state of Ukraine is a shame for Russia, a shame for the Russians who wished to break away from Russia, the shame for the Russians who allowed this. The presence of this pseudo-education is a crime against the memory of ancestors, a betrayal of the shed blood of grandfathers and great-grandfathers. Russia has retreated more than once in its history, losing territory and influence. But not one ruler, excluding Yeltsin and Putin, did not recognize Kiev as a non-Russian city. For more than two decades, Russianness in Ukraine has been spreading rot, the Russianness of Ukrainians has not been noticed by Moscow, and even more so it has not been supported or supported. Inaction is covered with a fig leaf, repeatedly raped by "international law".
    reunion with Russia

    At this historical moment - a terrible dream of the Russian government. This is a tremendous risk, labor and stress of all forces. And the loss of earned overwork. This is the labor and tension of the forces of the people, for which the people are not ready on both sides of the border. Therefore, in Ukraine a handful of zapadentsev will seize power, and in the rest of Russia, the course will continue on debilitation through education and the media, robbery and feudalization. Apparently we deserve it.
  22. Suhov
    Suhov 4 February 2014 11: 03
    +3
    By the way, it is characteristic that Bandera, for all its "independence",
    consider themselves to come from Kievan Rus, but at the same time for some reason Ukrainians.
    Full semantic eclecticism, cereal in the head!
    Here overcoming the historical illiteracy of the young Messrs. Kolesnichenko, Tsarev and others like them.
  23. Bumbik
    Bumbik 4 February 2014 11: 03
    -8
    I think after the recent events there doesn’t even smell like friendship at the level of peoples. Putin apparently wanted to make some kind of scoop-2, but, ironically, it was the ardent Zaputinites who broke all the raspberries by pouring so much dirt there that no temptations like cheap oil / loans would help
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 4 February 2014 14: 18
      +3
      Who would have mumbled about the scoop ...
      Yes, you Belarusians are still in the scoop,
      and in Russia we have wild capitalism.
  24. Zeus
    Zeus 4 February 2014 11: 19
    +5
    Yanyk agrees to an early election. Interestingly, and for whom will the people vote? In my humble opinion, if PR and Yanukovych will have these fascist opponents, then PR and Yanyk will win))))
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  25. grandfather
    grandfather 4 February 2014 11: 25
    +2
    Quote: Prokop
    The western regions are so saturated with Russophobia that their accession to Russia is suicide, you probably will not find such concentrated hostility to everything RUSSIAN anywhere. It is better to amputate a rotten organ, it's a pity, it hurts, but if not, it will lead to death of the whole organism.

    I agree with you, but against radical measures, I think that it would be right to hold a referendum on granting autonomy to the western regions, with all the consequences (budget, subsidies management), and it would be more correct to leave the money of the East there who deserves it.
  26. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 4 February 2014 11: 36
    -1
    And no one even hinted at Yulia to let go, but I already feel sorry for the girl, they punished me - well, forgive me, and if you win the election with such a rival, that is the real people's choice. Nah))) the gut is thin, the knights have transferred - some masturbators have remained (in the sense: I will satisfy myself and cut myself for that), Ukraine should have found a silver-free and (((like Pavka Korchagin but with the Nobel economy - hire the worst)) )
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 4 February 2014 11: 43
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      Julia didn’t let go,

      Fear . This woman with a scythe is a real competitor to everyone.
  27. Galinanp
    Galinanp 4 February 2014 12: 11
    +1
    Western Ukraine, in any case, must be separated. Proven by history. Before the outbreak of the First World War in 1914, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Empire Durnovo provided Nicholas II with a note in which he wrote: “The only prize in this war can be Galicia. But only a madman can want to annex Galicia. Whoever joins Galicia will lose the Empire and turn Great Russia into Little Russia, or Little Russia. "
  28. tank64rus
    tank64rus 4 February 2014 12: 17
    +3
    The West getting up all this in Ukraine has made it clear to Russia and the entire Russian World - there is NO mercy and there will not be. And in Ukraine, a clear WAR has already begun against the RUSSIAN PEOPLE. This is a GENERAL rehearsal before the West starts in Russia in two or three years in case of its victory in Ukraine. What should we expect from the West. Their slogan has not changed since the days of ancient Rome "Woe to the vanquished." We urgently need to remove ALL liberals from the POWER. With their accounts, relatives, mansions abroad, they will betray US at the earliest opportunity.
    1. zzz
      zzz 4 February 2014 12: 38
      +2
      Quote: tank64rus
      An urgent need to remove ALL liberalists from the government. With their accounts, relatives, mansions abroad, they will betray us at the earliest opportunity.


      What Ukraine did not do - and here is the result! And for those who don’t care with money, where will their homeland and people be, even in the EU, at least, excuse me, in the ass .....
  29. Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex 4 February 2014 12: 43
    +3
    A typical day in Ukraine:
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 4 February 2014 14: 19
      +2
      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
      A typical day in Ukraine:

      Well, what can I say? what

      It’s necessary once and for all, fight off these freaks the habit of indulging in fire! hi

      Together with the kidneys ...
      wassat
      1. Major_Vortex
        Major_Vortex 4 February 2014 15: 05
        +2
        Quote: Sukhov
        Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
        A typical day in Ukraine:

        Well, what can I say? what

        It’s necessary once and for all, fight off these freaks the habit of indulging in fire! hi

        Together with the kidneys ...
        wassat


        The first sprouts of common sense have already begun to break through in Ukraine:
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  32. Suhov
    Suhov 4 February 2014 13: 05
    +6
    Europe is changing ...
  33. sinukvl
    sinukvl 4 February 2014 13: 11
    +3
    Ukraine must be accepted into Russia, so there was never such a people as the Ukrainians, they are the same Russians as we are and the lands are also Russian, and the word Ukraine back in the 19th century was worn by the area located on the edge of Russia in the west (this does not apply to Galicia, they have never been Ukraine either in geographic or in state name.) At the expense of Galicia, if we got a virus of "crap" and are afraid that we will not be able to put things in order with Bendera, then give Galicia to the Gay Europeans as a gift, let them rush with it themselves ... Although for me it is necessary once and for all to send Europe through the forest and take over the whole of Ukraine, and restore order in Galicia according to the law, but punish according to the maximum possible punishment and act in response to Bender's "peaceful actions", quickly and without lisping.
  34. EvilLion
    EvilLion 4 February 2014 13: 25
    -1
    Wait out the Olympics, and there you look and you can safely enter the tanks.
  35. Jarik56
    Jarik56 4 February 2014 13: 31
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: Jarik56
    Bismarck also said that Russia can be defeated only by separating Ukraine from it.

    lol I am wildly sorry, but where did you read this? When did he say that? I specifically decided to supplement my knowledge and revised what I found about Bismarck ... There aren’t such words there ...
    And now about the Ukrainians ... Bandera Westerners are Ukrainians or not already? What did you offer emotionally, but ... You actually proposed tearing Ukraine apart and annexing a couple ... to blame, to attach ...
    This is exactly what Western politicians want ... They have a small independent Belarus like a huge boil in the backside ... And big Ukraine ...

    And what's wrong with that? If a piece of it was torn from the tiny Yugoslavia, which in terms of historical and ideological significance for the Serbs means the same as the Kulikovo or Borodino field for us, then why don't we take away our native land? I agree about emotionality, but not only pragmatism should be guided in politics!
    1. Shick
      Shick 4 February 2014 13: 40
      +2
      The West will not allow us to annex Ukraine, even part of it, even if the population of the country itself in a referendum in the majority votes for it!
      1. 31231
        31231 4 February 2014 20: 17
        +1
        We do not need to attach it. It is enough that the South and East will separate from Ragulvivshchyna and will be an ordinary state. And there, let them decide if they want to in the vehicle or according to the old scenario.
  36. Shick
    Shick 4 February 2014 13: 32
    +3
    It is interesting to see how the euromaidan ends
    it seems poorly that such a thing could happen in a country bordering the USA
  37. DMB-78
    DMB-78 4 February 2014 13: 35
    0
    Ukraine gained freedom, but does not know what to do with it. there are many advisers, so my head went around
  38. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 4 February 2014 14: 38
    -4
    Something became a lot of Ukrainophobic and openly aggressive comments.
    Fans of joining something Ukrainian there, I remind you that Russia, like the United States, has signed up to be responsible for the territorial integrity of Ukraine in exchange for a nuclear-free status.
    So we will violate the international treaties?
    1. DMB-78
      DMB-78 4 February 2014 14: 55
      +1
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      Something became a lot of Ukrainophobic and openly aggressive comments.

      about how. and where are the predatory statements here?
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      Russia, like the United States, has signed up to be responsible for the territorial integrity of Ukraine in exchange for a nuclear-free status.
      So we will violate the international treaties?

      so then the opinion of the people can no longer be reckoned with? such a democracy?
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 4 February 2014 23: 15
      +2
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      So we will violate the international treaties?

      America has already violated this treaty, you can wipe it, however, like any other treaty signed by the Anglo-Saxons.
  39. Altona
    Altona 4 February 2014 15: 12
    +4
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    Something became a lot of Ukrainophobic and openly aggressive comments.
    Fans of joining something Ukrainian there, I remind you that Russia, like the United States, has signed up to be responsible for the territorial integrity of Ukraine in exchange for a nuclear-free status.
    So we will violate the international treaties?

    ------------------------------
    Something a lot in Ukraine has become Nazi and xenophobic statements that violate the verdicts of the Nuremberg Tribunal, as well as the relevant fascist organizations. So we will violate the decisions of international courts?
  40. DMB-78
    DMB-78 4 February 2014 16: 10
    0
    Quote: Altona
    So we will violate the decisions of international courts?

    and for a long time they don’t give a damn about all laws, both domestic and international. Especially geyropa and usa closes his eyes to it. as well as violations in the Baltic states
  41. 31231
    31231 4 February 2014 16: 51
    +2
    After the Olympics, it's time to introduce unspoken rules. At customs from the Western regions and Kiev, wool products for two or more weeks. Companies without justification to dismiss Gaster from the same western regions. Nekhai Europe feeds them.
  42. Ross
    Ross 4 February 2014 18: 09
    +3
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    And for Kiev, I did not say. The fact that we lost it, I also wrote in my first publications a year ago. Germany was not afraid to swallow the GDR, and you are afraid even to return yours: south-eastern Ukraine?

    We must make a joint decision, the South East is New Russia, and that’s it, the inextricable part of Russia. But the people of the Southeast must ask for this themselves, and Russia is obliged to respond.
  43. pensioner
    pensioner 4 February 2014 19: 13
    +1
    Here I am WHAT really cares ... Well, let’s say, in Lviv, Bandera came to power. But! Why do they impede the ritual commemoration of those who died in the war ??? Really from the European Union did not explain to them about tolerance? Want to Bandera, but please! Do not disturb others!
  44. santush
    santush 4 February 2014 19: 51
    +1
    I believe that Western Ukraine and Eastern Ukraine have nothing in common and never have had! Indeed, different faiths, different cultures, different heroes! But at the same time, the country's budget, earned in the southeast, is not even divided equally, but in favor Hutsulschina. The Federation, everyone works for themselves, but in general, in proportion to the population, be kind, a fixed amount for the Armed Forces, the Security Service of Ukraine, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, education, medicine, etc., dump the rest! .p. And I do not care that the Hutsul region will starve or that they will have nothing to erect monuments to Bandera people!
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  46. alone
    alone 4 February 2014 21: 47
    +1
    I think the mind will eventually take up and Ukraine will find a way out.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 4 February 2014 22: 37
      +3
      I agree with "lonely".
      The federalization of Ukraine in the current conditions will lead to its inevitable collapse at various levels of independence of the territory. Further integration to the West only comes close to joining a neighbor. Without such a condition, the West will not recognize them. Because the responsibility for the new communities will be placed on the sinking countries. To the East - as unrecognized state formations only of the type of Transnistria and South Ossetia. Because the West will not be recognized in the direction of Russia by definition.
      Need a precedent. For some reason, even the Belarusians do not want to recognize South Ossetia. Something has already gone in Gagauzia. Wait and see.
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  47. pvv113
    pvv113 4 February 2014 23: 20
    +6
    The country was at one time artificially divided due to communist propaganda.
    IT IS MISCELLANEOUS ABOUT WHICH DIVISION THE AUTHOR SAYS, AS IF I DID NOT READ HISTORY. Despite the unity of the Russian and Ukrainian people, as a result of the war, political restructuring of the territory took place, during which the peoples were disunited and reunited. A WELL-KNOWN HISTORICAL EVENT, WHEN THE PERESYLAVSKAYA RADA CALLED BY HETMAN BOGDAN KHMELNYTSKY, DECIDED A DECISION ON THE REUNION OF UKRAINE WITH RUSSIA IN 1654. AND THE SOVIET UNION WAS NOT CREATED BY THE CRUSHING OF THE ONE STATE, but BY THE UNION OF THE INDEPENDENT REPUBLICS IN ONE STATE. Well, that we in the West consider all Russians to be the same is correct: Great Russia consists of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, which are not divided by any intrigues and plots from the West, first of all.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 23: 27
      +2
      Quote: pvv113
      IT IS MISCELLANEOUS ABOUT WHICH DIVISION THE AUTHOR SAYS, AS IF I DID NOT READ HISTORY

      The author began "for health" and finished "for peace."
      The theme of Ukraine is relevant, but everyone uses this theme in their own way.
  48. siberalt
    siberalt 5 February 2014 01: 41
    +1
    [quote = ele1285] [quote = xan] Frederick 2
    famous cynical thought [/ quote]
    And politics is already full of cynicism, and in no other way. Either they are us or we are them. And the cynic is a well-informed optimist.

    Politics is cynicism. But not all cynical politicians.
  49. Avas2006
    Avas2006 5 February 2014 02: 12
    0
    Public statements by Kolesnichenko are usually always stupid.
    Why is it stupid? It seems to me - on the contrary. They are always reasoned and clear in presentation.
    And why does federalization necessarily cause a civil war, but joining Russia does not? No one will join now. Recent events directly push Ukraine to federalization. Most likely this is the course of the American curators of Euromaidan. America decided that if it was not possible to swallow Ukraine as a whole, bite off at least a bit.
  50. Onil
    Onil 5 February 2014 03: 48
    0
    I am for the federalization of Ukraine, as the first step in dividing it into 2 unequal parts. 15 western and central regions and 10 eastern and southern regions. This is the only way to avoid a bloody civil war like the Yugoslav one!