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"The West has worked for many years to separate Ukraine from Russia, and we choked it with gas prices"

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The Federation Council of the Russian Federation made a statement about the “second Maidan”, in which he stressed the organized nature of the opposition speeches and expressed outrage at the actions of individual Western politicians.


A statement by senators and developments in Ukraine for KM.RU was commented by Konstantin Nikolaevich Sokolov, vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems.

External impact on Ukraine goes on all lines

The statement of the Federation Council is completely objective, and it reflects the essence of the situation. But the situation in Ukraine has already moved into an acute phase, and power has been destabilized. Therefore, the question arises: how timely was this announcement? Maybe it's about saving face? For many years, the West has been working to detach Ukraine from Russia, investing huge amounts of money in the creation of various non-governmental organizations, non-profit foundations and so on. And on the part of Russia there was a policy of exorbitant gas prices, which destroyed the economy of Ukraine.

There is a completely clear technology of influence on a contiguous state, but for many years we have not done what gives a powerful resource of influence on the public opinion of a neighbor. In short, the statement of the Council of the Federation is correct, but belated. At the same time, representatives of the State Department of the United States, the European Union, Poland appear in Ukraine ... But whoever does not interfere in the internal affairs of this country, everyone is piling up! The Catholic Church is active.

Pay attention: The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church brought students of their religious schools to Maidan. I saw this information on the Internet, and besides, I just returned from a meeting of the Izborsk club in Bryansk, where they spoke about the same thing. I note that Ukrainian Vladyka Vladimir, who is nourishing the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, says that it is not necessary to politicize faith.

External influence on Ukraine goes on all lines: psychology, economics, politics and diplomacy. The operation is most powerful, and I will repeat the thesis of Brzezinski, who has already become an aphorism: Russia without Ukraine will never be an empire. That is, we can rise from our knees only together, and now everything is being done to break this bond forever. But I hope it does not work out.

Clash of interests can turn into civil confrontation

What are the future prospects for the development of the situation? The dire state of the economy of Ukraine, the terrible social situation require very large-scale investments to get out of this impasse. Some time ago, the former Prime Minister of Ukraine, Mykola Azarov, mentioned a specific number of necessary investments to save the economy. This is 160 billion euros!

The amount is fantastic, and the European Union will not give such money, it is in crisis itself. But Russia will not make such significant investments. This means that the severity of the crisis will fall so heavily on the population that the question will arise about who will be beyond the survival line. That is, the question now is not what kind of hardware changes will occur in the leadership of Ukraine, and not even what the political structure of this country will be. There is a great danger of civil war: this is real given the balance of power that takes place in the regions of Ukraine.

Clash of interests can turn into civil confrontation. Naturally, the confrontation will spread to Russia, where the flow of refugees will rush in case of an acute situation. But volunteers can also come from Russia to protect relatives and friends if it comes to the force phase. That is the real danger.
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  1. CALL.
    CALL. 4 February 2014 07: 05
    +7
    For many years, the West worked to separate Ukraine from Russia, and huge amounts of money were invested in the creation of various non-governmental organizations, non-profit foundations, and so on.

    The working methods of the West. How it works. I already gave this video. But maybe someone did not watch. But it’s worth a look.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S064I_ir97Q
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 4 February 2014 07: 14
      +42
      For many years, the West worked to separate Ukraine from Russia, a lot of money was invested in the creation of various non-governmental organizations, non-profit foundations, and so on. And from Russia, a policy of prohibitive gas prices was being pursued, which destroyed the economy of Ukraine.
      Selling Ukraine, during 15let, gas at 50 $ plus what they stole from the pipe, is this a prohibitive price?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 4 February 2014 07: 42
        +24
        Quote: bomg.77
        Selling Ukraine, during 15let, gas at 50 $ plus what they stole from the pipe, is this a prohibitive price?

        Of course it is beyond the limits, we had to not only supply gas for free, but also pay extra.
        They never understood the academicians, the smarter the greater the nonsense they carry.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 4 February 2014 08: 01
          +12
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They never understood the academicians, the smarter the greater the nonsense
          It's like the first films with directors are shot good, and then, as they gain credibility, they shoot "the author's" go "nokino, in other words, the roof goes.
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 4 February 2014 08: 53
            +14
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            They never understood the academicians, the smarter the greater the nonsense they carry.


            It does not need to be understood, since organizations with this name are usually ordinary NPOs, and he is its vice president.
            Vice President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Konstantin Nikolaevich Sokolov.


            Interestingly, this organization does not have its own website where one could read about their sponsors. But the fact that the president of this Academy, Ivashov, is a well-known critic of the authorities in the "ala-everything-is-lost" style speaks volumes.


            The article itself is complete nonsense, though I didn’t read further than the heading and the first paragraph, since the Russian Federation, being in decline, still helped Ukraine with energy resources, and in return received NATO exercises and ridicule from them, threats to Sevastopol. Ukraine, or rather its leadership and part of the population, themselves chopped off the branch on which they sat.
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 08: 11
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They never understood the academicians, the smarter the greater the nonsense they carry.

          And then ...
          The RAS can either engage in academic science, or take graduate student dormitories to Vietnamese.
        3. CALL.
          CALL. 4 February 2014 08: 45
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They never understood the academicians, the smarter the greater the nonsense they carry.

          “Modern sellers not only don’t know the multiplication table, but they don’t know how to use a calculator,” the professor says, coming home from the market.
          - How did you manage to make such a discovery? - the wife asks.
          - I asked to weigh 127.7 grams of sausage. By the way, they don’t know how to throw calculators on moving targets either ...
        4. domokl
          domokl 4 February 2014 09: 13
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          they did not understand the academicians, the smarter the greater the nonsense they carry.

          Hi Sash ... And for me it’s a great example of verbiage. So many letters, so many smart words, but it makes no sense ... It seems like I participated in the discussion, but didn’t say anything. So, you don’t have to answer for the words ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 4 February 2014 10: 06
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            ..It seems like I participated in the discussion, but did not say anything.

            It seems that there are brains, but it seems that it is not. At first glance, it’s smart, but if you look closely, it’s d.u.r.a.k. what Something like this according to the article, although it is not the first time he has blurted out something like that, therefore he is familiar.
            Hi hi
            1. avt
              avt 4 February 2014 10: 32
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Like there are brains,

              Of course, this is a medical indicator of a living organism.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              .At first glance, smart, but take a closer look well d.u.r.a.k. d.u.r.a.k.o.m. So who is he

              "And the answer is terribly simple and the only answer" V.S. Vysotsky laughing - Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Konstantin Nikolaevich Sokolov. It’s like a club of senility and frank idiots under the leadership of Ivashev. I really want to be wise old men, well, it’s a shame they’re just a military pensioner, not a military academic, to be silent while taking into account the ranks in the army, it turns out. Well, how to open their mouths - well, real asshole-educated academics. request Would go to the shooting gallery or something, you see, and would not want to "carry beautiful nonsense."
        5. domokl
          domokl 4 February 2014 09: 18
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          , we had to not only supply gas for free, but also pay extra.

          lol I do not want to say anything, but on behalf of the Ukrainians I fully support this idea .... bully Guys, you haven’t arrived yet, that now, as in other things and always, the switchman is wanted. The Izborsk club has gathered enough competent people with names. It’s difficult to speak against ... However, the main line of their thinking is very clearly outlined .. .We then read their statement ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 4 February 2014 10: 07
            +6
            Quote: domokl
            Guys, you haven’t driven in yet, that now, as in other things and always, the switchman is wanted.

            In Ukraine, it is always and to blame for everything, only one country is Russia.
            1. avt
              avt 4 February 2014 15: 36
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              In Ukraine, it is always and to blame for everything, only one country is Russia.

              laughing Well, this is not a statement, it is a medical, from the field of psychiatry, diagnosis of ALL nationalists in the post-Soviet space and beyond, in the states of the former socialist camp.
        6. Alekseev
          Alekseev 4 February 2014 10: 40
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They never understood the academicians, the smarter the greater the nonsense they carry.

          Such acacandemics pour water on the mill of this very West, which torn Ukraine from Russia. Apparently, not disinterestedly.
          And there is a way to lower prices, it is known to everyone except this pundit: cooperation with the Russian Federation, the Customs Union finally.
          Another thing is that the Ukrainian government wants to sit somewhere and eat fish. That is why the prices are high.
        7. pensioner
          pensioner 4 February 2014 15: 13
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Never understood academics

          Well, actually, he can only be called an academician conditionally ... Right now, these academies have divorced - like a horse ... done in general ... repeat I know several such "academicians" ... In general, not the RAS. There, yes, academicians. No questions.
        8. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 4 February 2014 19: 02
          0
          Why so incomprehensible? There was such a "father of Western thought" - Voltaire. The man worked without hesitation. Everything was simple - it was necessary to send something to Voltaire. Better money. Or maybe not money, everything was used - fur coats, cutlery, horses ... even food. And Voltaire meticulously responded to each gift with praise. The more the gift, the more praise. For a ham, a short rhyme, for a fur coat, a full-fledged ode, for a wallet - a whole philosophical treatise!
          The mind itself is just a tool. He does not eliminate negative qualities at all. The prostitute with the synchrophasotron is still the same prostitute.
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 4 February 2014 08: 02
        +5
        Only Ukrainian politicians and economists speak of the prohibitive price, using this to knock out more lave for a corrupt maneuver.
        That's all-elementary-no one in Europe said that we are stripping Ukraine.
        And we didn’t see any living money from them - we deducted the fee from the payment for the rental of the GTS.
        There are many such nuances ...
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 08: 19
        +8
        Quote: bomg.77
        For many years, the West worked to separate Ukraine from Russia, a lot of money was invested in the creation of various non-governmental organizations, non-profit foundations, and so on. And from Russia, a policy of prohibitive gas prices was being pursued, which destroyed the economy of Ukraine.
        Selling Ukraine, during 15let, gas at 50 $ plus what they stole from the pipe, is this a prohibitive price?

        The Prime Minister of Ukraine entered into a gas agreement at a price that suits both parties. Yanek came - he put Yulka in prison, and went to Moscow to change his mind. They set the conditions there - keep the promises about the status of the Russian language, calm the Zapadentsev. Yanek was offended, refused. And here is the result.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 4 February 2014 08: 32
          +4
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          . Yanek was offended. And here is the result.
          He probably forgot that the offended are used not only as a water carrier, but also in prisons. hi
      4. 31231
        31231 4 February 2014 09: 00
        +6
        Quote: bomg.77
        Selling Ukraine, during 15let, gas at 50 $ plus what they stole from the pipe, is this a prohibitive price?


        Moreover, I will also note in the following years, Ukraine set prices for gas transit 20-40% higher than in Europe. This is how the Ukrainian authorities "fraternally" branded Russia with expensive European gas prices and "forgot" about the "not_cheap" higher European price for gas transportation.
        Also, many times provided sk_idki, for some volumes of gas.
        As a result, Ukraine "thanks" us, and even different "experts" in Russia, without understanding, brand the "greedy" older brother of Ukraine.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 4 February 2014 09: 22
          +4
          Quote: 31231
          As a result, Ukraine "thanks" us, and even different "experts" in Russia, without understanding, brand the "greedy" older brother of Ukraine.
          You can remember about the base and about the Krivorozhsky plant, which we tried to buy from Ukraine, and it sold to Arcelor, and why Russia, subsidize an Indian company!
        2. optimist
          optimist 4 February 2014 10: 16
          0
          Quote: 31231
          As a result, Ukraine "thanks" us, and even different "experts" in Russia, without understanding, brand the "greedy" older brother of Ukraine.

          But let's not indiscriminately scold "klyatikh kh.okhlov", but ask ourselves a simple question: why does the West manage to "feed" our former republics, while Russia does not? This suggests at least two options. First, the West systematically works with all political forces, closely monitoring the situation and controlling it. The Russian government behaves like a stupid market huckster: "I, like, will give you dough right now, and you will make everything beautiful for me !!!" And the second, in my opinion (IMHO), is the most important point: not for this that the West destroyed the USSR in order to allow the reverse process of reunification. With a close look, it becomes clear that for the past 23 years nothing has happened from the Russian authorities except for the golimy pi @ deja about integration. How many years has been going on chatter about the union state with Belarus ... All post-Soviet "princes" (including ours), on pain of death, will not go to integration, because they will instantly lose power. What will happen now with Janek ...
          1. 31231
            31231 4 February 2014 14: 01
            +2
            Why does the West manage to "feed" our former republics, while Russia does not?

            And whom, besides Pro-Baltic and Moldova, was the West feeding? And why ours? We live in Russia, not in the Union. Our republics are Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Yakutia and others.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 4 February 2014 23: 27
            +1
            Quote: optimist
            why does the West manage to "feed" our former republics

            The wealth of the West and the greed and stupidity of the republics.
        3. pensioner
          pensioner 4 February 2014 16: 29
          +1
          Quote: 31231
          and "forgot" about the "not_cheap" higher European price for gas transportation.

          By the way, yes. hi There the problem was that the cost of transit was determined by the results of the agreement of the parties, and not by some kind of market mechanisms. Now it seems like the situation has changed ... But not in the subject ... So ... Talking ...
          1. 31231
            31231 4 February 2014 17: 19
            +1
            Now it seems like the situation has changed ... But not in the subject ...


            Before Woland gave them a discount, there were 3,17 bucks per 100 km and a thousand cubic meters. With the European 2,2-2,6.
            Now I don’t know, but I suspect that the Ukrainian authorities haven’t made their "brotherly" step, and they are stupidly cutting the loot on the Russians again.
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 4 February 2014 18: 10
              0
              Yes, I, Dear, about the fact that in the 12th year, the transit countries agreed on transit rates ... But, again, I will make a reservation: rumors about Gazprom ... Moreover, from gas transmission enterprises and across Russia ... What is it really, hell knows ... But, again, smoke without fire ...
      5. 222222
        222222 4 February 2014 11: 18
        +3
        ".. and we choked her with gas prices" "... returned what was previously sold at a low price ..
        .. It was not Ukraine that was strangled, but politicians and oligarchs sitting on the gas pipe .. When he came to power, he sat down naked ZHO .. on the pipe, and climbed into a millionaire .. Maybe this explains the irreconcilable struggle for the "Square of the Pipe"? Although common sense was in the creation of a single complex-Supplier (RF) -Carrier (Ukraine) -Consumer (EU-Germany), which was repeatedly proposed by both the RF and the FRG ...
      6. DMB-78
        DMB-78 4 February 2014 12: 10
        0
        Quote: bomg.77
        stole from the pipe

        and stole constantly.
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      8. JeremyXren
        JeremyXren 4 February 2014 17: 56
        -4
        And can we also remember how Russia pumped gas from Ukraine? "Shebelinkovskoye gas field. Before the development of natural resources in Western Siberia, it provided up to 60% of gas production in the USSR and was the main gas supplier for the European part of the Soviet Union." Here we are talking about the fact that because of his greed, Putin lost Ukraine.
        1. xan
          xan 4 February 2014 18: 53
          +5
          Quote: JeremyXren
          Here we are talking about the fact that because of his greed Putin lost Ukraine.

          This Ukraine, due to its stupidity, will no longer have global nishtyaks from Russia.
          Russia did not tolerate, and for gas for 50 does not intend to endure frantic Russophobia in Ukraine. I prefer the option when rabid Russophobia is paid by rabid gas prices.
        2. 31231
          31231 4 February 2014 19: 58
          +2
          It's five! That annealed, so annealed!
          Wait, I’ll get out from under the table.

          And what about Svidomo forgot about Donbass? And Krivoy Rog?

          Yes, education in the outskirts is growing more and more downs.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 February 2014 03: 37
          +1
          Quote: JeremyXren
          Or maybe we’ll recall how Russia pumped gas from Ukraine?

          Russia pumped out all the gas from Ukraine, wow, this Russia sleeps and sees how else to arrange a dirty trick for Ukraine laughing
          Quote: JeremyXren
          Here we are talking about the fact that because of his greed Putin lost Ukraine.

          And you’re lost in Ukraine if you write such nonsense. How many do not give such a little, moreover, instead of thanks, they’ll spit in the face.
    2. jjj
      jjj 4 February 2014 07: 20
      +8
      In general, it is now happening to observe a paradoxical picture. We are told: Russian brothers come, protect, help. But we ourselves, Ukrainians, are as if left behind the brackets, waiting for help. We are beaten to an act called aggression and occupation. Of course, Russia will provide assistance. But such and then, when it will be in the interests of not only the Ukrainian, but also the Russian people
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 4 February 2014 07: 32
        +4
        The danger of a civil war is great: this is real in the alignment of forces that takes place in the regions of Ukraine. [/ Quote]

        What is the danger to the state when people like GORBACHEV or YANUKOVICH start to steer it - these reformers and representatives of the oligarchs always bring the country to the handle and have to save it at the expense of the suffering and calamities of the people - I am afraid that RUSSIA will again have to pull UKRAINE from its swamp on its neck.

        I am simply amazed at the policy of the KREMLIN in this regard - it turns out to be better to credit the multi-billion-dollar sums of the incompetent KIEV LEADERSHIP — to achieve the appearance of adequate and smart state leaders there is much cheaper and safer.

        Now everything is too neglected there, and all sorts of newcomers revolutionists rule the situation, as always in the history of revolutions.

        The Bandera people, neo-Nazis and the radical opposition are definitely ramming the CRISIS, they will already follow when more serious people are seized power - NOT FROM OUR DISTRICT.

        1. CALL.
          CALL. 4 February 2014 09: 36
          +4
          Russia does not understand why Europe did not condemn the seizure of administrative buildings in Ukraine - Lavrov Korrespondent.net, February 1, 2014, 16:31
          The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Sergei Lavrov, said that Moscow does not understand why prominent European politicians do not condemn the seizure of administrative buildings in Ukraine and attacks on police officers, RIA Novosti reported on Saturday, February 1. “Why aren’t you heard condemning voices against those who seize administrative buildings, attack police officers, and speak out with racist and anti-Semitic slogans?” Lavrov said, speaking on Saturday at the Munich conference on security policy.
          1. DMB-78
            DMB-78 4 February 2014 12: 18
            +1
            Quote: Z.O.V.
            Lavrov said, speaking Saturday at the Munich Security Policy Conference.

            .... and in response, silence ....
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 4 February 2014 10: 17
          +6
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          The Bandera people, neo-Nazis and the radical opposition are definitely ramming the CRISIS, they will already follow when more serious people are seized power - NOT FROM OUR DISTRICT.

          "In Ukraine there is no neo-Nazism and at the same time there is a narrowing of the rights of the opposition. This opinion was expressed during the round table by the first president of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk.
          According to Kravchuk, neo-Nazism is absent in the current political crisis.
          “But there are problems of narrowing the opposition’s ability to work effectively in parliament. And then it spilled onto the streets. Therefore, the fight against fascism, Nazism without analysis of miscalculations of power will not be useful, but will only exacerbate the situation, ”said Kravchuk.
          He believes that dictatorial regimes are formed where there is no democratic Constitution. "More - here http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/243978
          That's where the first one is! All this slowly unwound, and now gives advice on how to overcome the crisis !!!! am
          1. 31231
            31231 4 February 2014 14: 16
            +1
            Elena, I’m funny with some of your people. They assure that there is no Nazism in Ukraine. At the same time, during the time of Yushchenko-Yanyk, the Nazi Freedom Party almost 20 times increased the number of voters for it.
            Some lumps claim that they are not Nazis. I would like to ask: Then what is this?
            Here, Vlasov and his ROA are considered fascists, and in Ukraine Bender and Shukhevych are nationalists.

        3. DMB-78
          DMB-78 4 February 2014 14: 43
          0
          and so will the presidential election?
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 4 February 2014 07: 33
        +11
        Quote: jjj
        We are told: Russian brothers come, protect, help. But we ourselves, Ukrainians, are as if left behind the brackets, waiting for help.
        What else should Russia help? They gave money, we don’t rush our debts, are ready to place a military order for armament, do we provide political support, what else is needed to wake up the east? 10 million zapadentsev dictate 30 to the millionth east, it's ridiculous! Russia already has problems above the roof and this is no longer a divide of Syria Ukraine or another country here the batch went serious not for life but to death! Look at Putnik’s in the magazine yesterday I read I don’t know the truth or the lie, but something became uncomfortable!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 February 2014 07: 45
          +10
          Quote: bomg.77
          ! Look at Putnik’s in the magazine yesterday I read I don’t know the truth or the lie, but something became uncomfortable!

          Alexei, yes, actually now many. If not everyone in Russia is waiting for the next villain from the USA. There will be a resolution, a matter of time and the number of victims.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 4 February 2014 07: 55
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Alexei, yes, actually now many. If not everyone in Russia is waiting for the next villain from the United States.
            Alexander hi We’ve already got used to their villains, not the first time so to speak, and it was more like dirty tricks, but here there’s a direct feeling, at least with a knife, of a child’s chicher. In Syria, Ukraine, there are misunderstandings in Karabakh, Iran, Tarrakts, ships in the Black Sea, and all this in a short time. Too much traffic around Russia.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 4 February 2014 08: 18
              +8
              Quote: bomg.77
              and all this in a short time. Too much traffic around Russia.

              And all before the Olympics. The case coincided sad
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 4 February 2014 09: 41
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Case coincided

                The Olympics are now becoming a central event, the beginning of which everyone is looking forward to. Moreover, in the West, too, only not in sports terms, as it should have been, but for completely different reasons, it is precisely these motives that resonate with "random" coincidences. Sasha, hi !
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 4 February 2014 10: 08
                  +3
                  Quote: Tersky

                  The Olympics is now becoming the central event, the start of which everyone is looking forward to.

                  Hi Vitya. The last years since the beginning of the Olympiad, I personally am waiting for the next warriors or revolution. There’s nothing to wait for now crying
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 16: 11
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Hi Vitya. The last years since the beginning of the Olympiad, I personally am waiting for the next warriors or revolution. There’s nothing to wait for now

                    There will be no doubt that it will be scorned. The question is in quality and quantity ...
                    Lavrov ALREADY cannot speak with gay Ropeians without a mat.
                    "Distribute ammo, Lieutenant Golitsyn ...".
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 08: 22
              +8
              Quote: bomg.77
              We’ve already got used to their villains, not the first time so to speak, and it was more like dirty tricks, but here there’s a direct feeling, at least with a knife, of a child’s chicher. In Syria, Ukraine, there are misunderstandings in Karabakh, Iran, Tarrakts, ships in the Black Sea, and all this in a short time. Too much traffic around Russia.

              A strange tradition - to polish the Olympic Games, is in fashion.
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 4 February 2014 10: 05
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Alexei, yes, actually now many. If not everyone in Russia is waiting for the next villain from the USA ...

            And not only in Russia, read the foreign forums - half the world is already stocking up with popcorn belay
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 4 February 2014 11: 35
              +2
              Quote: And Us Rat
              And not only in Russia, read the foreign forums

              Give a link to read?
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 4 February 2014 21: 10
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Give a link to read?

                Yes, any news portal in English, I don’t find it on purpose — I have to dig, but even on Facebook I came across such discussions among Canadian friends.
        2. Arhj
          Arhj 4 February 2014 08: 54
          +3
          Quote: bomg.77
          What else should Russia help? They gave money, we don’t rush our debts, we are ready to place a military order for armaments, we provide political support, what else is needed to wake up the east

          Everything is like in life - "The less we love a woman ..." Ukraine prefers to take from us, but looks to the West, where love is only on prepayment. And the authorities in Ukraine remember that we are a brotherly people only when Russia asks to repay debts or when no one else gives loans
          1. CALL.
            CALL. 4 February 2014 09: 32
            +3
            Quote: Arhj
            Ukraine prefers to take from us, but looks west,

            The most categorical of all, perhaps, spoke in Munich, the President of the European Council Herman van Rompuy, who firmly assured that the future of Ukraine is in Europe, and that time is working for the EU. Although, of course, the "family of European nations" cannot take Ukraine now with all its burdens. And as other participants from the EU stated, it does not want to.
            More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/blogs/2014/02/03/1228726.html
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 4 February 2014 16: 17
              +2
              Quote: Z.O.V.
              The most categorical of all, perhaps, spoke in Munich, the President of the European Council Herman van Rompuy, who firmly assured that the future of Ukraine is in Europe, and that time is working for the EU. Although, of course, the "family of European nations" cannot take Ukraine now with all its burdens. And as other participants from the EU stated, it does not want to.

              We must pay tribute to J.M. Barroz, who said that Europe will not give any money to Ukraine. But even his voice drowned in verbal Munich diarrhea.
          2. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 4 February 2014 13: 13
            +1
            Quote: Arhj
            And that we are fraternal people, the authorities in Ukraine only remember when Russia asks for debts


            And for sure!
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        4. DMB-78
          DMB-78 4 February 2014 12: 23
          0
          "... but the Kremlin ordered to postpone"
          Olympiad Putin tied both arms and legs sad
      3. Lantau
        Lantau 4 February 2014 07: 37
        +3
        I agree with you. And from myself I want to add that the brotherhood "should" (from you and me) come exclusively from the Russians, and this is the price of gas, and investments, etc. etc. And in this regard, the question arises - Why is this? What did Ukraine and Ukrainians do to bring closer together? How many I tried to see, I never saw.
        1. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 4 February 2014 07: 55
          +11
          The price of gas in Ukraine is less than in Siberia, where it is produced - how is it? Ie again due to swearing to her? And friendship is the same name?
        2. olviko
          olviko 4 February 2014 08: 37
          +6
          "How many I tried to see, I never saw"

          There is nothing particularly surprising in this, this is the mentality of many in Ukraine developed over the centuries. If you look at history, until the 17th century, the territory of present-day Ukraine in the west was under severe double oppression from the gentry and their Jewish rulers. There was a steppe in the East, there were no borders, as a result of which a Cossack freemen with its own specific mentality was formed. Being between Poland, the Ottoman Empire, Russia and the free steppe, without having their own state, the Cossacks made countless "transitions" from one state to another, simultaneously betraying everyone, including themselves. Isn't it very much reminiscent of the policy of the current Ukrainian elite, a mixture of the policy of independence and "sitting on two chairs."
      4. Tersky
        Tersky 4 February 2014 07: 41
        +6
        Quote: jjj
        In general, it is now happening to observe a paradoxical picture.

        One of many paradoxes: “After a telephone conversation between Interior Minister Vitaly Zakharchenko and the United States Ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Payette, the seized premises of the Ministry of Justice were vacated. also possible ways to solve it. After this conversation, activists of the social movement "Spilna Spilna", headed by Oleksandr Danilyuk, vacated the premises of the Ministry of Justice they had previously seized. The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine supports the position of the US Ambassador to Ukraine, who advocates a peaceful solution to the conflict and the inadmissibility of the use of force. We are grateful to Jeffrey Pyatt for his effective mediation in resolving difficult situations and look forward to further assistance from the diplomat. USO Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine " a source -"MVS UKRAINI"But this is generally nonsense:The head of the SBU discussed with the US ambassador ways out of the crisis in Ukraine
        The Chairman of the Security Service of Ukraine Oleksandr Yakimenko discussed with the US Ambassador Jeffrey Payette the ways out of the crisis in Ukraine. This is stated in the message of the SBU press service.
        "Today, January 31 of this year, The meeting of the Chairman of the Security Service of Ukraine took place Alexandra Yakimenko with the United States Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary in Ukraine by Jeffrey Payette. During the meeting, which was held in a constructive spirit, the parties discussed a number of issues related to finding ways out of the crisis in Ukraine", - the message says
        31.01.2014/15/09 XNUMX:XNUMX RBC Ukraine
        1. Name
          Name 4 February 2014 08: 48
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          A meeting was held between the Chairman of the Security Service of Ukraine Oleksandr Yakimenko and the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the United States to

          In this case, you do not have to wait for any constructive action on the part of the SBU. Because in the current situation, the solution from the crisis in Ukraine-it is tough to deal with the Natsiks, and not conclude an agreement with them and in no case do not make concessions. hi
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 4 February 2014 10: 23
            +4
            Quote: name
            In this case, you do not have to wait for any constructive action on the part of the SBU.

            American money for Ukrainian blood
            Radical groups and the opposition received from the US Embassy $ 20 million per week to finance the militants and livelihood of the Maidan
            Law enforcement agencies of Ukraine have established customers for the murder of Euromaidan activists, and also identified schemes and sources of funding for the escalation of street confrontation aimed at the violent overthrow of power. This, on condition of anonymity, said an informed source from the Security Service of Ukraine.
            According to the source, from the first days of the military confrontation, law enforcement officers took to development the Right Sector organization. This organization was formed as a result of an internal conflict between the Social-National Assembly and the radical Ukrainian All-Ukrainian Association “Trident” named after C. Bandera. During the investigation, it was found that these organizations are financed by a number of various Western "pro-Ukrainian organizations" created by the special services of NATO countries back in Soviet times. more here - http://www.vremia.ua/rubrics/zakulisa/5321.php
            And with specific addresses, accounts, surnames .... only who is the SBU listening when the power is at stake? It’s like that, they’ll leave a note, they will take advantage of it if they don’t agree !!!! am
          2. DMB-78
            DMB-78 4 February 2014 12: 40
            +1
            Quote: name
            not to conclude an agreement with them, and certainly not to make concessions.

            and what contracts and concessions? all have already lost. it remains to pack personal belongings in the offices and wait for the Natsiks to come and take their seats.
      5. ele1285
        ele1285 4 February 2014 08: 03
        +3
        Quote: jjj
        We are beaten to an act called aggression and occupation.

        Is it nonsense that the aid to Abkhazia and South Ossetia was also an act of aggression? There should be another "peace enforcement", the West will whine and stop.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 5 February 2014 00: 47
      +1
      Thank you very much for the video.
  2. Prokop
    Prokop 4 February 2014 07: 10
    +6
    The civil confrontation has already occurred, but the forces oriented toward Russia are not organized and divided, and the Bandera freaks for Amer’s money are well prepared and organized. It’s still a bit time-consuming and it will be too late.
    "There are few real violent, so there are no leaders"
    1. alone
      alone 4 February 2014 21: 40
      -1
      Well, I don’t know whether the academician is right or wrong! he expressed all his thoughts. But here's what
      Russia led a disastrous policy about Ukraine, it’s not even worth talking about.
      was almost everywhere, and the ambassador to Ukraine was primarily to blame.
  3. SibRUS
    SibRUS 4 February 2014 07: 20
    +5
    For many years, the West worked to separate Ukraine from Russia.

    Visually and openly!
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 4 February 2014 08: 08
      +7
      Another propaganda option laughing
      1. Name
        Name 4 February 2014 08: 42
        +3
        Ketchup wasted so much in vain ... laughing
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 4 February 2014 14: 09
          0
          guys continued filmed smile
          1. DMB-78
            DMB-78 4 February 2014 15: 02
            +1
            unconvincing. pour such a glass, he will say everything differently.
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  7. Veter
    Veter 4 February 2014 07: 29
    +7
    I do not agree with the title of the article. All this time, gas prices are the result of the policy of the Ukrainian authorities. It was necessary to "grow" pro-Russian politicians, then the gas prices would be profitable.
  8. Name
    Name 4 February 2014 07: 34
    +13
    Greetings to all, it’s strange to hear that Russia was pursuing a policy that destroys the economy of Ukraine. Probably a comrade forgot that Ukraine is an independent state (!) Since 1991 of the year! And why should there be exceptions for Ukraine this time ...
    1. wax
      wax 4 February 2014 22: 45
      0
      Exactly! If you hadn’t fed the Ukrainian elite with cheap gas supplies and delivered it at market prices, Russia’s rejection would not have appeared - you see - how Russia allowed herself to cover up a free feeding trough - damned. For all that, they (not the people, of course, but all the presidents, starting with Kravchuk) did not intend to get closer to Russia, but consistently went to the EU and NATO. As for the West, they don’t give a damn about the needs of the Ukrainian people, the West bribed the top: cheap and effective, tested at the top of the USSR.
  9. svoi
    svoi 4 February 2014 08: 01
    +6
    Brzezinski's thesis, which has already become aphorism: Russia without Ukraine will never be an empire.Something else similar is attributed to Bismarck, personally I am not sure of this, you might think Brzezinski is the last resort. This is without Siberia, the Urals, and the Far East, Russia will not be an empire, the role of Ukraine is exaggerated, the east is ours, the pipe too, and let the rest be taken away.
    1. olviko
      olviko 4 February 2014 09: 10
      +8
      "Something else is attributed to Bismarck"

      By the way, about the great "friend" of the Russian people, Bismarck. Reich Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, in his address to the Ambassador in Vienna to Prince Heinrich VII Reuss in May 1888, wrote: “... Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the disintegration of Russia, which is supported by millions of Russian believers of the Greek confession. These latter, even if they are subsequently corroded by international treaties, will just as quickly reunite with each other ... the indestructible State of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, space and its unpretentiousness, in the awareness of the need for constant protection of our borders ... in my opinion, we will have greater success if we just treat them as an existing constant danger ... ”. Another phrase “The power of Russia can be undermined only by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear away, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you just need to find and nurture traitors among the elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ”As we can see, the West has been working hard in this direction for a long time.
  10. Stinger
    Stinger 4 February 2014 08: 32
    +12
    The article is controversial. All former republics, and now defective states, always wanted their resources to be supplied as in the USSR, and they would break out and make claims of Russia, and even demanded love and repentance for their sins. Not a single activist of these entities built his career without spitting in the direction of Russia. If there were any, name it. And interestingly, the more they spit in our direction, the more they demand love for themselves. Have you tried to work yourself?
    1. Lk17619
      Lk17619 4 February 2014 09: 30
      +2
      Quote: Stinger
      Didn’t you try to work yourself?


      What do you mean?!?!?! Work????? So 90% of the population of these "countries" and do not know such a word.
  11. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 4 February 2014 09: 05
    +8
    And why, in fact, Russia without Ukraine will never be an empire? What is there in Ukraine that does not exist in Russia? Why do we have violent from the UPA and Bandera here in Russia? We’ll not be an empire without them? No, Ukraine should act like the British and Ireland , let the violent ones remain at home, we will support the loyal ones morally and financially. Assist in creating a loyal Russia of Eastern Ukraine, and let the violent create their own Western Ukraine and enter wherever they want, since very soon Western Ukraine will degrade to a monkey state and turn into a European dump.
  12. Nike
    Nike 4 February 2014 09: 29
    +3
    knowing that they will sketch out the minuses for me now, but nevertheless ... Remember what policy the USSR pursued? What is your (personally) policy towards your neighbors? their children? if the child does something outside the accepted behavior? The United States feeds half of the world, trying to make tech so that as many countries as possible depend on them. Russia, on the other hand, does nothing in this regard, or does it so skillfully that nothing comes of it (this applies not only to Ukraine) and the Americans are taking advantage of this to impose on Russia from all sides. even judging by the comments in this thread, many are following the foundations of the US policy developed for Russia in the US in the 90s and introduced by Yeltsin like "we will be rich and we do not care at all", no dear, this does not happen! Remember your childhood, even the strongest in the yard tried to create a team for himself, realizing that he himself would not overcome everyone, you want to overcome everyone yourself. Alas, this does not happen ..
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 4 February 2014 09: 41
      +9
      Quote: nike
      The USA feeds half the world, tries to make tech so that as many countries as possible depend on them


      Show me who feeds Sashka and where? belay laughing The fact that they have military bases in half the world, I know that the presidents are removed with the help of revolutions that do not want to go under Saska and accept dollars, I know. But to feed? request

      Maybe here is the moment when they came to feed the second half of the world, doing a barbecue?

      1. Nike
        Nike 4 February 2014 10: 34
        +1
        You yourself answered your question so you won’t answer more specifically. All revolutions cost a lot of money, but own security is worth it.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 February 2014 11: 43
          +3
          Quote: nike
          but your own safety is worth it.

          What is it worth and what kind of security are we talking about when a country is dependent? I'm not talking about Russia now wink
      2. 31231
        31231 4 February 2014 14: 26
        +2
        But what about the Maidan with cookies from Nudland ?! laughing
    2. Alexandr73
      Alexandr73 4 February 2014 10: 32
      +9
      I won’t put a minus, I’ll just write.
      1. The most reliable friends of Russia, its army and navy.
      2. States have no friends; they have temporary allies.
      3. You can feed others, only it ends badly. The more you give, the more they will hate you, because you have and have a lot you can even give out, but they don’t (and the fact that they didn’t do anything so that they had something, it’s again because of you ,)
      4. Strong in the yard created a team for himself, YES agree. But the team didn’t dare to blather, because the leader was strong. And if another leader came across in the team, then the team was divided into two and fought among themselves angrier than with the others. remember the 90s as the groups split up and shot each other.
    3. demon184
      demon184 4 February 2014 10: 39
      +3
      The United States doesn’t just do nothing when it does, if they do anything, they get back with a percentage. everybody got used to the fact that Russia is kind, will give it like that, and when it didn’t work, it didn’t give, they began to hate it, it didn’t fit in the brain, like Russia didn’t give it, they pulled everything they wanted from it for 80 years and then bang and you have to pay for everything .
    4. Name
      Name 4 February 2014 11: 32
      +4
      Quote: nike
      Russia does not do anything in this regard, or does it so skillfully that nothing comes of it (this applies not only to Ukraine)

      Well, in a simple way, so you are pressing on "rot" ... Oh, how accustomed to living for free ...Simple picture: your relative is at the store and you take goods from him, but ask him to wait with the money and how you will throw relatives or RETURN MONEY ... winkedThe question seems rhetorical to me, although different relatives do exist, as well.
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 February 2014 11: 42
      +9
      Quote: nike
      ... Remember what policy the USSR was leading? What policies do you (personally) have in relation to your neighbors?

      In Soviet times, we were one country, and then you shouted, stop feeding Moscow. Now what do you want from us? If at any opportunity yelling about independence. That's just where it is independence, when you have the rulers of the whole West feel at home.
      Quote: nike
      USA feeds half the world, with

      Uh, no, it's half the world feeding the USA.
      Quote: nike
      Russia does nothing in this regard

      And why should we, someone put cancer or dictate the conditions?
      Quote: nike
      even judging by the comments in this thread, many are following the foundations of the US policy developed for Russia in the US in the 90s and introduced by Yeltsin like "we will be rich and we do not care at all", no dear, this does not happen!

      Listen, didn’t you confuse us with Ukraine for an hour? We put it on America and the EU, but here they will soon live on Maidan. Good luck in the independence laughing
    6. DMB-78
      DMB-78 4 February 2014 12: 48
      +2
      Quote: nike
      USA feeds half the world

      so they have their own printing press for dollars. Chegozh paper does not supply the natives? at one time, the Indians bought everything for beads from the Indians. it will be necessary for Ukraine, they will print it and drive it into bondage
    7. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 4 February 2014 12: 49
      +3
      Quote: nike
      USA feeds half the world

      The USA feeds not half the world, but the whole world with its green papers! And we are all, like the Papuans being led by them. There is nothing easier: to provide assistance to other countries, with their own waste paper, which they can print in any quantity. I would look at them, what would they do if the printing press was in another country. Their dollar is now not provided with anything, the demand for it is because the trade in everything and everything is conducted by these pieces of paper. If everyone starts trading on their currency, then America will be in ..., and others will have to forget about help.
    8. lelikas
      lelikas 4 February 2014 13: 40
      +2
      Quote: nike
      but nonetheless..

      What are we? Any attempt at least some movement to meet - right away screams of imperial ambitions!
      We didn’t separate all of us; we all wanted our pie and free then.
      I put you a plus for you are right in everything except my policy regarding neighbors - I only greet them hi
      Well, about the independence of all from everything -
      everyone remembers a joke about the wedding night of a Ukrainian guy and a Russian girl?
    9. 31231
      31231 4 February 2014 14: 25
      +4
      What policies do you (personally) have in relation to your neighbors? their children? if a child does something that goes beyond accepted behavior? The USA feeds half the world, tries to make tech so that as many countries as possible depend on them. Russia does not do anything in this regard, or does it so skillfully that nothing comes of it (this applies not only to Ukraine)


      If you, a worthless dancer, then do not blame this RF.
      Belarus and Kazakhstan live and do not complain. And you?! Do ambitions interfere?

      Russia gives cheap gas. Gives loans. Agrees to restructure the debts, as a result, part of them then forgiving. Gives its own market for the sale of products without tax deduction. It gives 1,5 million jobs to the Ukrainians.

      Do not tell me what Ukraine gave Russia, except for Sevastopol?

      And what are these declarations ?! Like the US feeds, but the Russian Federation does not. So bring down already to the USA and to the USA. Beater, shit.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 4 February 2014 14: 41
        +3
        Quote: 31231
        Do not tell me what Ukraine gave Russia, except for Sevastopol?

        Sevastopol is a purely Russian city, Ukrainians have nothing to do with it, it was built by decree of the Russian Empress Catherine in 1783.
        1. 31231
          31231 4 February 2014 17: 32
          +1
          Well, when the Union was torn apart, everything was in Ukraine. And there they shared "everything that is mine on my territory." And here the legitimate president signed those agreements.
          In contrast to Ukraine, we decide everything according to the law, and not "Get out gang!"
  13. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 4 February 2014 09: 34
    +7
    Firstly, it was not Russia that was strangling and strangling, but natural monopolies created by mediocre crap, initially pro-Western, which behave in a far from the best way in the domestic market of Russia. there is no need to hold them back, let them separate, go to Geyropa, they are "expected" there (then, when they ask to return, the crap out of the head disappears by itself).
  14. demon184
    demon184 4 February 2014 10: 12
    +5
    Ukrainian politicians are trying to sell themselves to someone more expensive, the last 10 years, and Russia did not pay attention.
    1. 222222
      222222 4 February 2014 11: 26
      +4
      President Vladimir Putin:
      “I think that the Ukrainian people are able to figure it out themselves, in any case, Russia will never interfere in this. I can imagine how our European partners would react if, at the height of the crisis, say, in Greece or Cyprus, at one of the anti-European meetings, our Foreign Minister would appear and begin to make some calls. We believe that this is not very good at all, and bearing in mind the specifics defined in relations between Russia and Ukraine, for us this is simply unacceptable, impossible ”
  15. washi
    washi 4 February 2014 10: 55
    +6
    Brzezinski's thesis, which has already become an aphorism: Russia without Ukraine will never be an empire.
    Tired of this stupid phrase.
    Will be. Because empire is not so much a territory as self-awareness.
    Imperials for green candy wrappers are not for sale, and their own, their state is not robbed.
  16. Name
    Name 4 February 2014 11: 59
    +2
    News (interesting!) From Yanukovych:Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovych is ready to go for early presidential and parliamentary elections and amend the Constitution if the government is unable to negotiate with the opposition. This was announced on the air of the ICTV channel by the deputy from the Party of Regions Yuriy Miroshnichenko.

    The general director of the Center for Political Information, Alexei Mukhin, said in his microblog that Yanukovych’s position hides a political calculation. "Yanukovych is handsome: ready for early elections. Of course, now he has no competitors," the political scientist wrote.-well, it’s logical ...

    Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/04/02/2014/903166.shtml
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 4 February 2014 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: name
      "Yanukovych is a handsome man: he is ready for early elections. Of course, now he has no competitors," the political scientist wrote. "Well, it's logical ..

      Right now, it’s against Yanukovych that you need to put up a bright sane politician who would suit both sides. Oles Buzin, I think, is one of those, even though he is not a politician. According to his statements, it is clear that he is a fan of Ukraine and its people. There is no need to focus now in Ukrainian politics on any of the parties. It is necessary to preserve the integrity of the country, and only then think with whom to go.
      1. 31231
        31231 4 February 2014 14: 36
        +2
        Oles Buzin, I think, is one of those, although he is not a politician.


        Oles Buzin is an analyst, not a politician, much less a state leader. It is not the same to speak beautifully and competently lead. If you choose, then it is necessary from the leaders of the regions. Desirable East or South of Ukraine.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 4 February 2014 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: 31231
          Oles Buzin is an analyst, not a politician, much less a state leader

          You are mistaken, Oles is a well-known writer in Ukraine, not an analyst. Can you tell me who Schwarzenegger was before the Senate? But Reagan didn’t act in films? Politicians are very strange people, for the sake of this policy, they sometimes lie at a loss. Who is sure that he will be honest when he comes to power? Yanukovych promised a lot of things, so where are his promises? An honest principled person is needed, and who he is by profession is secondary.
          1. 31231
            31231 4 February 2014 17: 44
            0
            Can you tell me who Schwarzenegger was before the Senate? But Reagan didn’t act in films?

            Do not align power in a stable US with power in stagnating Ukraine.
            Reagan - before becoming president, he was the head of the film union, an assistant to the presidential candidate, and the governor for 8 years.
            And Schwarzenegger chose vegetables. Well, what is he famous for as governor?
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 4 February 2014 20: 41
              +1
              Quote: 31231
              And Schwarzenegger chose vegetables. Well, what is he famous for as governor?

              Vegetables are good if they managed to re-elect Arnold for a second term. For poor work, they are not re-elected for the next term. At the expense of stability, if Russia had the same opportunities that the United States had and did the same subversive work for them, then stability would not have been there. Russia and Ukraine, in the current state, are quite young states, of which all they strive to tear the sides apart. All this western seam ... does not allow us to build our society and a self-sufficient country, we have it like a bone in the throat. Someday they will choke on it. So I want to live up to this and wait for the stench to come from them.
              1. 31231
                31231 4 February 2014 21: 58
                0
                . For poor work, the next term is not re-elected.

                They re-elected Obama for a second term. Are they really smart? The national debt is growing.
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 5 February 2014 20: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: 31231
                  They re-elected Obama for a second term. Are they really smart? The national debt is growing.

                  So it began to grow in the 40s, when it’s faster and when it’s slower. And the next president (if he will) will have a public debt increase. The flywheel has untwisted, it will be very difficult to stop it. By the way, the same vegetables gave Obama the Nobel Peace Prize. But in general, what am I crucifying here? I like these Americans on the drum: they are vegetables, or fruits, they went to the forest. Time to spend more on them in the comments. Go Russia!!! negative
          2. siberalt
            siberalt 5 February 2014 01: 12
            +1
            Oles Buzin is too hysterical for a politician. His position - Russia is obliged to help Ukraine with money and the army, so as not to collapse itself.
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      2. stroporez
        stroporez 4 February 2014 18: 26
        +1
        those who "support the people of" Western civilization "are not needed .........
  17. Wurger
    Wurger 4 February 2014 12: 30
    +1
    Wacky article title. There my collective farm for many years received free oil from Russia. Oil in exchange for promises of brotherly love. Things were going so well that dizziness began with success, Lukashenko somehow even began to teach the Russian leadership. The feeder was covered and everything rushed into the abyss. Now Belarus, if you do not give loans in the 1st year of the collapse.
  18. DMB-78
    DMB-78 4 February 2014 12: 55
    +2
    why shouldn't Russia have done the same as in Ossetia and Abkhazia? to distribute passports of citizens of the Russian Federation to all who wish, and in which case, proceed with the operation "peace enforcement 2" smile
    1. Takashi
      Takashi 4 February 2014 13: 50
      +3
      Georgia has been offered many times - peaceful ways to resolve the conflict. Neither Georgia, nor Abkhazia \ Ossetia-did not want to. As a result, Abkhazians / Ossetians turned out to be more cunning. The main thing is to get another citizenship in time.


      It’s a pity they didn’t reach Tbilisi.
  19. lelikas
    lelikas 4 February 2014 13: 25
    0
    Quote: bomg.77
    Selling Ukraine, during 15let, gas at 50 $ plus what they stole from the pipe, is this a prohibitive price?
    - And what prevented the Ukrainian government from letting Western money into paying for gas ???
  20. Takashi
    Takashi 4 February 2014 13: 47
    +5
    I don’t understand why we (Russia) SHOULD sell our national property (gas) for cheap?
    Let Ukraine join its European Union and get a price for gas at European prices. Let him live.

    What nonsense. Russia owes gas to everyone for free, then billions of dollars forgives everyone.

    And in response, all of Russia - "bending", it is such, that ... and bastards - they often do it in Russian.

    A striking example is the program "Heads and Tails" with Ukrainian TV presenters. The program is conducted in Russian, but Russians are reviled everywhere. Wait, back in M ​​- they were called.

    Maybe you need to have a sense of dignity? Ah, the Russians? :)
  21. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 4 February 2014 14: 05
    +5
    For many years, the West worked to separate Ukraine from Russia, a lot of money was invested in the creation of various non-governmental organizations, non-profit foundations, and so on. And on the part of Russia, a policy was pursued exorbitant gas prices, which destroyed the economy of Ukraine.

    What kind of prices are these - prohibitive?
    There are wholesale, retail, solid, contractual prices and probably some more.
    Outlandish this concept is not economic, but emotional.
    Gas prices for Ukraine were negotiable and seemed to suit both seller and buyer.
    The seller gave gas voluntarily, the buyer took it also voluntarily.
    Oil and gas revenues in Russia's GDP are (2013 year) 9.3%. To lower gas prices means to reduce its GDP and increase the GDP of Ukraine. And for what?
    The internal policy of the official sovereign Ukraine, after 1991, is the utmost hostility towards everything Russian, the prohibition of the Russian language in the media and in education, the glorification of Nazi criminals and Ukrainian nationalists, Russophobes, dancing on the coffins of the "Holodomor of Ukrainians", etc.
    Would Russophobian policy change if Russia set prohibitively low gas prices?
    Why not? It would be even worse.
    If the industry and agriculture of Ukraine do not work, even free gas with surcharge to the buyer of gas will not fix the economy.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: Corsair5912
      To reduce gas prices means to reduce its GDP and increase the GDP of Ukraine. And for what?

      But still it’s a little incomprehensible why Ukraine received gas more expensive than Germany. For the fraternal people, prices could not be lifted up.
      Quote: Corsair5912
      If the industry and agriculture of Ukraine do not work, even free gas with surcharge to the buyer of gas will not fix the economy.

      I agree.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 4 February 2014 15: 50
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        But still it’s a little incomprehensible why Ukraine received gas more expensive than Germany. For the fraternal people, prices could not be lifted up.

        In the economy and in trade there are no friends, no enemies, no fraternal peoples, there is only a cold calculation. The fraternal people have received so much from Russia for free, but Russia has never heard a word of gratitude since 1654.
        I don’t know how Gazprom calculates gas prices, but I think that he won’t even sell gas to Germany at a loss.
      2. 31231
        31231 4 February 2014 17: 47
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        But still it’s a little incomprehensible why Ukraine received gas more expensive than Germany. For the fraternal people, prices could not be lifted up.


        Have you thoroughly studied this issue? I won’t repeat myself, they wrote in the comments above, and the network is full of material about this.
  22. DMB-78
    DMB-78 4 February 2014 14: 27
    +3
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    But still it’s a little incomprehensible why Ukraine received gas more expensive than Germany.

    So we paid for transit through Ukraine. They suggested they buy the pipe and then lower the price of gas. refused. Yes, they are now in debt for cheap gas
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 4 February 2014 15: 29
      -1
      Quote: DMB-78
      So we paid for transit through Ukraine.

      Germany also receives gas transit fees, and its prices were lower. And Ukraine is closer to us in all respects. And if in the plans for the future we had a unification into a common state, then our government and the leadership of Gazprom went the wrong way. I am not talking about the fact that they need to give gas for a penny, but they are also more expensive than the rest. This is the same as welded on friends and relatives. hi
  23. DMB-78
    DMB-78 4 February 2014 15: 45
    +3
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    And if in the plans for the future we had a unification into a common state,

    there was no such thing. it was only about joining the vehicle. but they only promised all the time.
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    but also more expensive than others do not need

    and where was the guarantee that they would not join the EU?
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    how to weld on friends and relatives.

    relatives with anti-Russian propaganda? relatives who prohibited the Russian language, Russian songs, exalted the enemy of Russia.
  24. VladimS
    VladimS 4 February 2014 16: 04
    +3
    Again, this scammed article sprinkled!
    Say maybe
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Quote: 31231
    Do not tell me what Ukraine gave Russia, except for Sevastopol?

    Sevastopol is a purely Russian city, Ukrainians have nothing to do with it, it was built by decree of the Russian Empress Catherine in 1783.


    The conversation is not about that. And the only thing is that he remained in the territory of another state and, in theory, is no longer Russian. It is no coincidence that Russia pays for the use of the base on foreign territory and carries out a full supply of everything necessary.
    And do not talk about "profiting from the brothers." They would then give away the use of the base for free, with the agreement that the supply is Russian. Then yes, it would be possible to raise the question of a super preferential price for gas and other resources.
    The article is a pure publication. Ugh!
  25. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 4 February 2014 17: 08
    +4
    Quote: nike
    ! Remember your childhood, even the strongest in the yard tried to create a team for himself, understanding what he himself
    So there was a team! Fifteen republics that threw me, and even the arrows all moved in my direction. After I almost gave an oak, paying off my debts for everyone, I was again to blame for surviving. And again to blame for everything.
  26. Ross
    Ross 4 February 2014 17: 16
    0
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    Interestingly, this organization does not have its own website where one could read about their sponsors. But the fact that the president of this Academy, Ivashov, is a well-known critic of the authorities in the "ala-everything-is-lost" style speaks volumes.

    You shouldn’t be so. Ivashev often spoke on the case and supported by his Cossacks and patriotic organizations of Siberia, sales put him on the presidency.
    No need to put labels on the go. hi
  27. JeremyXren
    JeremyXren 4 February 2014 18: 05
    -3
    I see commentators here, like Odessa Jews. They are told that the policy of Russia towards Ukraine was far from fraternal, and they responded, by the way, mi, and so almost all in vain gave our gas! For many years, Russia itself pushed Ukraine away from itself. I lived in St. Petersburg a little, I heard this through local channels about the Nazis and theft of gas. And how much negative is in Russian films. Ukraine has much less hostile propaganda towards Russia. And the price of gas is generally a nail in the coffin of brotherly love. Have you earned a lot? Now get a fascist neighbor going to gay Europe.
    1. xan
      xan 4 February 2014 19: 21
      +3
      Quote: JeremyXren
      I see commentators here, like Odessa Jews. They are told that the policy of Russia towards Ukraine was far from fraternal, and they responded, by the way, mi, and so almost all in vain gave our gas!

      Listen clown, do you see Russia you are holding for patience?
      Russia gave you an armless gas to give away, and you in response fraternally fraudulent Russophobia bred.
      Quote: JeremyXren
      Russia had to feed Ukraine so that thoughts would not be torn to the West.

      You know what, lad, go get a forest. Europe will serve. There are no more among Russian stupid people.
      Ukraine per capita has already broken through the GDP of Honduras, and I am very happy with this simple finougromongol.
      Soon you will get the right thoughts in your head, it will come through the seat, if it’s in any way through your head. The millstone of God is ground slowly but thoroughly.
      1. JeremyXren
        JeremyXren 5 February 2014 11: 53
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        And nothing that before the discovery of Siberian deposits, gas was pumped from Ukraine. 60% of gas for the European part of the USSR was pumped from Shebelinka near Kharkov. And by the word "feed" I did not mean to feed. I meant that the policy of Russia in relation to the fraternal republics should be more loyal, so that these very younger brothers would feel fraternal love. This is not a stupid injection of money into Ukraine's unprofitable economy, but it is a tighter integration of the economies of the two countries. Even at the expense of some reduction in gas prices. Moreover, half of the factories are so Russian. And now, when Ukraine is slipping away from under your feet, you can only shake your fists and shout about how mean Ukraine is! As a result, who stayed with you? Kazakh brothers? And the Belarusians. But not from love, but from desolation. And at the first opportunity they will run away too. I understand that you need to love just like that, and not for gifts. But you give gifts to brothers and sisters :)
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 5 February 2014 13: 08
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          Quote: JeremyXren
          And now, when Ukraine is floating under your feet, you just have to shake your fists and shout about how mean Ukraine is! As a result, who is left with you? Brothers are Kazakhs? And Belarusians. But not from love, but from despair.

          Oddly enough, but you're right, we are all in the same climatic conditions and cannot compete in the economy with the west and south, precisely because of the harsh climate.
          So it’s not going anywhere, neither Ukraine, nor other Eastern Europe, well, Russia is not going anywhere, we are told to be together by nature.
      2. JeremyXren
        JeremyXren 5 February 2014 11: 53
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        And nothing that before the discovery of Siberian deposits, gas was pumped from Ukraine. 60% of gas for the European part of the USSR was pumped from Shebelinka near Kharkov. And by the word "feed" I did not mean to feed. I meant that the policy of Russia in relation to the fraternal republics should be more loyal, so that these very younger brothers would feel fraternal love. This is not a stupid injection of money into Ukraine's unprofitable economy, but it is a tighter integration of the economies of the two countries. Even at the expense of some reduction in gas prices. Moreover, half of the factories are so Russian. And now, when Ukraine is slipping away from under your feet, you can only shake your fists and shout about how mean Ukraine is! As a result, who stayed with you? Kazakh brothers? And the Belarusians. But not from love, but from desolation. And at the first opportunity they will run away too. I understand that you need to love just like that, and not for gifts. But you give gifts to brothers and sisters :)
  28. JeremyXren
    JeremyXren 4 February 2014 18: 12
    -1
    Russia was supposed to feed Ukraine so that thoughts were not torn to the West. But no, we are proud, we are the Empire. Debts to forgive somewhere and to someone? You are welcome! Is gas cheap for German oppressors? Yes please! And help Ukraine? Yes figs there. No concessions to the younger brothers!
    1. 31231
      31231 4 February 2014 20: 04
      +2
      That Nyssa, you will soon pander in the territory from Dnipro to the gentry. Paramoga is just around the corner.
      Now here is Crimea http://qha.com.ua/rada-krima-obratitsya-k-rossii-za-zaschitoi-132995.html
      and the East is separated from the great state of rogule and truncated! P-er-um-mo-ga !!!!!
    2. wax
      wax 4 February 2014 23: 10
      +1
      An interesting picture was painted in this regard in the 12 “Nezavisimaya gazeta” 1992 June 1990, Mr. Ivan Silayev, the first Prime Minister of the Yeltsin government. In the summer of 1940, he found that during all the years of Soviet power the RSFSR paid annually to the Union republics, including Ukraine, and from 46 to the Baltic republics, to 1990 billion rubles. in year. Recounting this money at the exchange rate that existed in 1 (60 dollars was equal to 1991 kopecks), Prime Minister 76,5 reported to the first Russian President Boris Yeltsin in June that the RSFSR annually spent $ 10 billion on the development of the Union republics.
      http://topwar.ru/39182-leningradskoe-delo-i-russkiy-vopros.html
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  30. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 4 February 2014 19: 21
    +1
    Quote: nike
    US feeds half the world ...

    What an interesting "thought"! wassat And how do they succeed if the share of US production is about 20% of the global population, (together with Canada!) About 5,2%, but the share of consumption 40% from the global?

    Quote: JeremyXren
    Russia should was to feed Ukraine so that thoughts were not torn to the West.

    The key word to understand is should?
    When you look at the videos from the Maidan, only one question arises: - "Guys, maybe it's time to just get started and work?"
    Like the classic: - "It seems they are not idlers and could live ... maybe you can take the Maidans and cancel them?" ...
    1. Bogranz
      Bogranz 4 February 2014 22: 12
      0
      How is this what the US feeds half the world? Green pieces of paper: to print them - you don’t need to strain especially. Every year they increase the borders of the state debt and ... print, print, print. This is about the whole world. Regarding individual states, they are fed, or rather, introduced into dependence. There are many ways. Lure individual presidents: the same Saakashvili from whom he received his salary? Or was this just a rumor? Russia is trying to help, but it is doing it awkwardly, stupidly and at a loss, constantly forgiving billions of dollars in debt, one or the other. But you don’t need to help, but like the United States, you add to the ....
  31. pensioner
    pensioner 4 February 2014 19: 53
    0
    Here, Vlasov and his ROA are considered fascists, and in Ukraine Bender and Shukhevych are nationalists.
    And who told them about the Nazis there ??? So we have ... But Sumy, for example, is definitely for Russia! yes
  32. wax
    wax 4 February 2014 23: 29
    +1
    In March 2005, the newly appointed chairman of Naftogaz Ukrainy SJSC, Alexey Ivchenko, suggested Gazprom to abandon barter schemes in mutual settlements and switch to direct cash settlements, including revising the tariffs for the transit of Russian gas to Europe through Ukraine. On March 29, Ukraine proposed increasing transit tariffs from 2006 to $ 1,75-2 per 1 thousand m³ per 100 km.

    “An intergovernmental agreement linking the price of gas for Ukraine to the price of transit through its territory has actually been denounced ... After the Ukrainian side raised the issue of revising gas agreements, the Russians insisted on signing a protocol where they fixed that the agreements were changed on the initiative of Ukraine” (Vladimir Litvin, 04.12.2006/1/XNUMX) [XNUMX]
    Wikipedia, The gas conflict.
    The Ukrainian SSR was created by Russia and since 1923 it has been constantly subsidizing it, it has also supplied it with cheap gas even after Ukraine's declaration of independence until 2006 (15 (!) Years of independence). Crimea and Sevastopol ceded. So what? Where there are generous States that "feed half the world", as some here write. The states do not feed anyone, they are the whole world with the help of a financial system based on the dollar and military force. The motto - "divide and conquer" is added - "this chaos around the world", then it will be possible for these underdeveloped aborigines to throw humanitarian aid - expired products from army warehouses, which were filled at the expense of these same aborigines by pumping resources from their lands for next to nothing. Bravo! Here he is a moral ideal for the whole world, an object of envy and imitation!
  33. Tol.Skiff
    Tol.Skiff 5 February 2014 00: 40
    0
    Knowing Primakov, He probably said, you would just Mold. !!!
    1. wax
      wax 5 February 2014 02: 02
      0
      Dear Tol.Skiff, if this is to me, which can be assumed in the order of the commentary, then could you not attract famous names to decorate your rubbish and express yourself, as someone Famusov instructed, with feeling, sense, arrangement. As for Primakov, for your information, I have his book with his own autograph.
  34. wax
    wax 5 February 2014 01: 51
    0
    By the way, here
    http://news.mail.ru/politics/16806913/?frommail=1
    just listed Ukrainian people who grew up on the basis of independence.
    Yes, they are all afraid of the people, of the people who began to create a front of defense against the Bender shock detachment of the world behind the scenes and local oligarchs.