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Two Russian T-72 modernization projects will be proposed by the Indian Defense Ministry at DEFEXPO-2014

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Two Russian T-72 modernization projects will be proposed by the Indian Defense Ministry at DEFEXPO-2014

Two major combat modernization projects tanks T-72 will be offered to the Ministry of Defense of India at the DEFEXPO-2014 exhibition. These options have been developed by Uralvagonzavod Corporation and, if implemented, will bring the most massive T-72 tank of today to the level of the best modern world models.


As the representative of UVZ explained to the ARMS-TASS correspondent, the T-72 modernization projects are particularly relevant in the light of recent military conflicts, where military operations take place mainly in urban areas.

“We are offering India two T-72 retrofit projects. The first project involves equipping the T-72 with a set of defenses to ensure the survival of the tank and crew in combat operations in urban areas where anti-tank weapons, including radio-controlled mine devices, are widely used.” - said the source.

The second project provides for equipping the modernized T-72 tank with the Arena-E active defense complex (KAZ), which protects the tank in a circular zone 360 degrees from anti-tank weapons - RPG grenades, artillery cumulative projectiles and anti-tank guided missiles, including those launched during the flight above the tank.

A new KAZ configuration will be presented at DEFEXPO-2014, which allows placing the Arena-E complex on almost any machine. It differs from the KAZ of the previous configuration in that the airborne radar is separated into several blocks and placed in such a way that it does not prevent the tank from performing other combat missions. KAZ "Arena-E" in the new configuration can be installed on the tanks T-72, T-72B, T-90 and on other models of armored vehicles.

The DEFEXPO-2014 Land and Naval Arms Exhibition will be held in the Indian capital from 6 to 9 February. More than 50 enterprises of the Russian defense complex will take part in its work. Some Russian exhibits are specifically focused on the Indian market and will be shown in New Delhi for the first time.
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  1. rugor
    rugor 3 February 2014 11: 31
    +13
    Let's break in technology on Indian machines and at their expense. Best practices can be applied on your next generation technique. The main thing is not to delay .... with your equipment!
    1. avg
      avg 3 February 2014 12: 11
      +5
      The Indians are now pinning their hopes on Arjun and the T-90 extra deliveries. They will go for modernization if Arjun does not live up to expectations.
      1. GDP
        GDP 3 February 2014 12: 24
        +11
        No matter how good Arjun is, but this is also a question, India still can’t get anywhere from the significant mass of T72, at least in the near future, besides upgrading the T72 will still cost less than buying new tanks ...
        And the tanks 72 not even modernized proved to be quite effective force in the same Syria

        modernized t72 taking into account the Syrian experience - these are completely different machines - much more tenacious, more protected and universal ...
        1. me
          me 3 February 2014 12: 34
          -19%
          Effective force against whom? Guys with Kalash and slippers? This is not an indicator for the strength of any tank.
          1. GDP
            GDP 3 February 2014 14: 09
            +18
            Effective force against whom? Guys with Kalash and slippers? This is not an indicator for the strength of any tank


            Guys with Kalash and slippers have quite effective and modern anti-tank weapons. For example ATGM Kornet and Konukrs - capable of hitting tanks outside the range of their guns, while remaining almost unnoticed. ATGM "vampire" and "mestizo" - capable of penetrating the most powerful main and dynamic tank defenses, radio-controlled explosive devices and much more ..

            In the military conflicts in Lebanon in 2006 and the Gaza Strip in 2010, ATGM "competition" destroyed a large number of Israeli tanks "Merkava" and other armored vehicles equipped with improved means of active and passive protection against ATGMs. And the Israeli army cannot be called technically weak.

            So our T72 have undergone and continue to undergo very serious and large-scale tests there, and at the same time for more than two years they continue to remain the main striking force of the ATS ...
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            2. alone
              alone 3 February 2014 22: 17
              +1
              Quote: GDP
              military conflicts in Lebanon in 2006 and the Gaza Strip in 2010 ATGM "competition" destroyed a large number of Israeli tanks "Merkava"


              irretrievable losses merkav only 5. of them two exploded on a land mine.
            3. me
              me 4 February 2014 13: 44
              -2
              It burns efficiently and effectively, this cannot be taken from him.
          2. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 3 February 2014 23: 44
            0
            Quote: i
            Effective force against whom? Guys with Kalash and slippers? This is not an indicator for the strength of any tank.


            It is they with the appearance of only men with Kalash. If you look, then all at least two courses of special training have passed. One in the Taliban from the experience of the Afghan Mujahideen, the second to rot in the Middle East under the guidance of instructors from the SAS and the CIA. So I would not give so low an assessment of these bearded peasants with Kalash and other ammunition.
          3. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 4 February 2014 11: 34
            +1
            Hi bunch, I’m starting to make more and more convinced that the level of some readers has fallen. Now there are a lot of super geniuses who spit on everything they’ve done before, now they’re trying to do it with might and main, As if spitters and the like didn’t try, I have a very good opinion about our scientists and designers and I wish them success in all deeds and accomplishments, I am more and more worried that readers proudly calling themselves Democrats or Liberals begin to appear on the site, although if you look at they share the same branch, but we yell for everyone, OTHER, Ours offered not one but two whole options for modernization low bow from those who really love their country, 2 Many simply did not pay attention to one detail of the TTX T-72 will not be inferior to all modern cars, GOOD FELLOWS, Here the opinion of the machine mussed on yesterday, Similarly, those figures who yelled into battle incomplete cars in the first Chechen company, Or the memory completely disappeared, And I remember the tears of the designers of the equipment when they inspected these e cars, And the tears flowed for a completely different reason, because in each car our soldiers died and the designers were not to blame here, The first tests showed who was to blame, Such an excursion into the recent past, there are such geniuses of armored vehicles that I’m just uncomfortable asking them at least sometimes look at the chronicle of hostilities in Syria there is nothing to see how the combat vehicle is used and what it is, Then one expressed the opinion that all the money will be quickly sawed by our designers and scientists are famously true, This person has a direct road to the democrats there really knows how to save that money don’t worry , I am grateful to those who really make real attempts to really modernize and it’s easier to create really new industries, Gentlemen, and please write one event that was held just recently in January, I mean the democratic gathering of liberal experts of economists, the Gaidar Forum, They told me all week how well but nothing could not pick up a Russian word t of the development of the country's economy over the past year, Our Prime Minister also noted there, Damn the Russian language is so rich that even one word can cast a big shadow on this noble meeting of leading experts in its field, Mr. Primakov picked up one neutral word over there as everyone was offended by it, And what else to call this economic growth, Found a foreign word that you can stick to everything anyway, they don’t understand who doesn’t get it and closed the Forum, And then all the countries all over the country suddenly announced that there is a crisis over the hill, well, such things, please explain to the Lord why does the crisis affect some and others do not have the same INDIA develop and confident growth do not nod to anyone and do not complain, What kind of power are we coughing somewhere we almost have a catastrophe, Answer yourself and don’t on others not involved to blame all the dirt, With respect to all who participate on that page, although there are opinions with which I do not agree, but how many people have so many opinions need to be considered
            1. me
              me 4 February 2014 14: 07
              -3
              The T-72 is an average armored tank and we don’t need it, the future is heavy for the heavy type of Abrams, it’s more comfortable in the city and the tankers will not die in packs if hit. A T-72 tank for cannon fodder, and he had to take the quantity and not quality. Now the concept is changing in the direction of quality, therefore, they are making armatures, and let the Papuans use the T-72.
              1. Hon
                Hon 5 February 2014 09: 44
                0
                Quote: i
                The T-72 is an average armored tank and we don’t need it, the future is heavy for the heavy type of Abrams, it’s more comfortable in the city and the tankers will not die in packs if hit. A T-72 tank for cannon fodder, and he had to take the quantity and not quality. Now the concept is changing in the direction of quality, therefore, they are making armatures, and let the Papuans use the T-72.

                At Abrams, the armor is mainly in the frontal part, on the sides is weak, it was originally designed for a large war and tank clashes head-on. therefore, in the city when they shoot from all sides, the abrams feels very uncomfortable.
              2. Hon
                Hon 5 February 2014 09: 44
                0
                Quote: i
                The T-72 is an average armored tank and we don’t need it, the future is heavy for the heavy type of Abrams, it’s more comfortable in the city and the tankers will not die in packs if hit. A T-72 tank for cannon fodder, and he had to take the quantity and not quality. Now the concept is changing in the direction of quality, therefore, they are making armatures, and let the Papuans use the T-72.

                At Abrams, the armor is mainly in the frontal part, on the sides is weak, it was originally designed for a large war and tank clashes head-on. therefore, in the city when they shoot from all sides, the abrams feels very uncomfortable.
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          5. Hon
            Hon 5 February 2014 10: 23
            0
            In the first Chechen one, our tanks withstood eight hits, with breaking through the armor but remained in service, or returned after repair, one of eighty-12 hits received, changed 4 crews, and after the damage to the gun worked as a tractor.
        2. zennon
          zennon 3 February 2014 20: 40
          +2
          No matter how good Arjun is,

          But it will not be good! With a mass of 67 tons and a price of 370 million rupees ($ 6,27 million) per unit, this long-awaited brainchild cannot be deployed where there is a need for it. The tank is too heavy to be deployed along the border with Pakistan. He is not able to effectively pass through a terrain filled with natural and / or artificial obstacles or regions crossed by rivers and canals. This excludes most places in Rajasthan, Punjab and the highlands of the J&K sector.
          And all the laudatory remarks addressed to him are an advance.
        3. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 3 February 2014 23: 04
          0
          Quote: GDP
          And the tanks 72 not even modernized proved to be quite effective force in the same Syria ...
          As of 30 September 2013, Assad’s troops lost 1176 units of armored vehicles, of which tanks
          536 units
          .
          T-72 has served its purpose, today the word is for Armata and the like




          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 3 February 2014 23: 46
            -3
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Quote: GDP
            And the tanks 72 not even modernized proved to be quite effective force in the same Syria ...
            As of 30 September 2013, Assad’s troops lost 1176 units of armored vehicles, of which tanks
            536 units
            .
            T-72 has served its purpose, today the word is for Armata and the like



            And Georgia was attacked by more than 10 thousand of these same T72s. How does this happen? And you served served ...

            The word today is behind carpet bombings and terrorists.
          2. nightingale
            nightingale 4 February 2014 15: 19
            0
            from where infa
      2. me
        me 3 February 2014 12: 36
        -6
        They run in the warring countries, and India does not conduct military operations.
        1. GDP
          GDP 3 February 2014 14: 13
          +10
          They run in the warring countries, and India does not conduct military operations.


          Only for several decades now it has been at war (not only cold) with Pakistan and unresolved territorial disputes with China
        2. svp67
          svp67 3 February 2014 20: 54
          +3
          It seems that you took a photo of Serdyukov for a reason, as a nickname ... India is in a state of UNRESOLVED territorial border claims with Pakistan and China, and in those places of clashes between the armies of these countries is far from uncommon, so it is quite possible to call it "a state of a sluggish military conflict "...
          1. me
            me 5 February 2014 11: 22
            0
            Syria is fighting, and what is happening in India with Pakistan is chewing snot. If there was something serious, Katya from Channel One told us about this a long time ago.
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 3 February 2014 23: 48
          -1
          Quote: i
          They run in the warring countries, and India does not conduct military operations.


          That's right - they take me to proc ... you never know how it happens ...
      3. AVV
        AVV 3 February 2014 22: 32
        0
        Quote: avg
        The Indians are now pinning their hopes on Arjun and the T-90 extra deliveries. They will go for modernization if Arjun does not live up to expectations.

        Our business is to offer, theirs to refuse !!! And in any way! But it would be better if you agreed !!!
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 3 February 2014 12: 18
      +8
      Quote: rugor
      Let's break in technology on Indian machines and at their expense.

      Everything has been run and mastered for a long time - but as always - all the best to children, now Indian .....
  2. olegff68
    olegff68 3 February 2014 11: 35
    +6
    And I am tempted to quote Carloson: "But what about me?!?! - I'm a kid better than a dog !!!"
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 3 February 2014 11: 44
      +11
      Let's start with the fact that we now have capitalism. The goal of capitalism is to make a profit. We have a law according to which the profit from the supply of weapons to the Russian Armed Forces is not more, in my opinion, 29%. When delivering abroad, there are no restrictions, for how much you agree as much and there will be at least 300%. If a plant produces a maximum of, say, 100 products per year, then it is more profitable to sell them all abroad, the profit is higher. The higher the profit, the greater the bonus for the year. Therefore, you work for the defense of your homeland - you drive a Korean, you also work for foreigners, you drive a Lexus. When it comes to big money, patriotism only suffers in TV interviews. The picture is naturally not complete, so in a first approximation, there are also kickbacks, and connections, and the withdrawal of money, and the wife's business, a lot of things. Yeltsman's daughter won Austrian citizenship "for her great contribution to the development of the Austrian automobile industry", everyone remembers the epic with the "introduction" of the Stayer diesel engine at GAZ, such are the merits.
      1. jjj
        jjj 3 February 2014 11: 57
        +4
        The plant itself cannot sell anything. Even someone who has permission for external military-technical cooperation. Contracts only through Rosoboronexport. Weapons are politics
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 3 February 2014 23: 15
          -1
          This is what you think. You would clarify, read the Internet before writing. In order not to load, briefly:
          "Rosoboronexport accounts for over 80 percent of the export of Russian-made military products." More than 80% is not 100%.
          "Open Joint Stock Company Rosoboronexport, part of the Rostec Corporation, is the only state intermediary in Russia."
          In general, this is a "state" commercial intermediary sitting on intermediary activities, under the patronage of the president. Pays dividends to "investors" at the end of the year, all that. (Affiliate \\\ 15. Suleimanov Ruslan Vasilievich, Russian Federation, The person belongs to the group of persons to which OJSC Rosoboronexport belongs 19.09.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX. \\\ How to understand this I still do not understand)). Again, capitalism is marching in full growth with all the attendant nuances - kickbacks, connections, wife's business. A commercial intermediary can pinch off his share "for services", but it is unlikely to redistribute the profits of producers, even with such a roof.
      2. pawel57
        pawel57 3 February 2014 19: 57
        -1
        This is not a nap. but a Jew.
  3. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    +1
    And what kind of camouflage in their tanks? It looks like Lego. Or are these marks where to shoot?
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  5. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 3 February 2014 12: 11
    +38
    1. Take the T-72Б3, insert the engine В-92 into it and the suspension as on the T-72BA,
    2. Put protection (mine shield, Curtain receiver, cloak) as on the T-72Б2 Slingshot,
    3.Set Arena-E and side screens as in the "City Tank" shown in 2013 in N. Tagil,
    4. Push the commander at least PNK-4СР instead of ТКН-3 and finally put the closed ZPU (UVZ itself began to promise these two points, not my dreams: http://www.uvz.ru/product/70/16 )

    That’s it ... It’s going to be a great T-72. Lisaped has long been invented, just collect everything in a heap on one machine, it’s good to mock at the tankers!
    Yes, and another request - WE NUNA SUPPLY THESE TANKSand then again they think about the loot from export, but let Ivan Fedorovich Kruzenshtern think about us, tankers of the Russian Federation again ???

    Arena-E at T-72Б3. Nizhny Tagil 2013
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 3 February 2014 12: 20
      +13
      Quote: Aleks tv
      1.Take ...

      point 5 - give MO money and common sense.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 3 February 2014 12: 38
        +8
        Quote: lelikas
        point 5 - give MO money and common sense.

        The namesake, a pair of common sense wagons in the brain of the Moscow Oblast would definitely not hurt.
        But now they have the money, like a fool shag ...
        They will soon glue the toilets in the units with money, or give them out instead of paper, so that the soldiers twist "goat's legs" ... from the same makhorka.

        But to assemble a normal tank - well, they can’t do it.
    2. Pinochet000
      Pinochet000 3 February 2014 13: 20
      +6
      Quote: Aleks tv
      4. Push the commander at least PNK-4SR instead of TKN-3 and put,

      All the same, I am dragging it), the modern tank needs a panoramic sight of the commander ... target detection speed is a key factor in modern combat.
      Quote: Aleks tv
      just collect everything in a heap on one machine, it’s good to mock at the tankers!

      Exactly!
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 3 February 2014 13: 42
        +6
        Quote: Pinochet000
        a modern tank requires the panoramic sight of the commander ...

        Namesake, the commander was already tired of dreaming about the panoramic viewer, and all the "zhanki" were eaten ... if only they put PNK-4, and then go ahead.
        Finding a target in time is harder than ... destroying it.
        But there is a wonderful panorama player: PKP-T of the same "Pelenga".
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 3 February 2014 15: 10
          +3
          Quote: Aleks tv
          But there is a wonderful panorama player: PKP-T of the same "Pelenga".

          1 The good news is that on the Russian version of the T-72B3 modernization, the 2A46M-5 gun is installed.
          In the future, it is possible to install a 2A82 gun of increased power and a partially chrome barrel.
          2.Slovatsk T-72 modernization: The tank commander received the panoramic sight of the VS580 from the Leclerc tank.
          3. Polish modification: installed a new fire control system SKO-1M "Drava". KAZ "Erava-1" "Erava-2".
          4.Israeli: .T-72 SIM-1 has a friend-or-foe system, which, in case of pointing at a friendly tank, warns the crew of a potential error.
          GPS navigation system works in any weather conditions.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 3 February 2014 15: 22
            +4
            Quote: cosmos111
            1 The good news is that on the Russian version of the T-72B3 modernization, the 2A46M-5 gun is installed.

            Vladimir,
            -On T-72B3 MUST be installed 2A46M-5.
            -On the UVZ website it is written: "2A46M or 2A46M-5" ...
            -And with what gun does the T-72B3 enter the troops in fact? ....................

            About a month ago (here in VO) he suggested sending a bottle of horse meat to someone who would give a photo of 2A46M-5 installed on the T-72Б3, delivered to the LINEAR part of the aircraft (and not from the exhibition).
            Just a photo of the breech gun with the numbers numbered.
            I do not refuse my words and I will sincerely be glad to lose.
            Something like that.
          2. zennon
            zennon 3 February 2014 20: 23
            -2
            1 The good news is that on the Russian version of the T-72B3 modernization, the 2A46M-5 gun is installed.
            In the future, it is possible to install a 2A82 gun of increased power and a partially chrome barrel.

            good drinks
            GPS navigation system works in any weather conditions.

            Like GLONASS.
          3. svp67
            svp67 3 February 2014 20: 56
            +1
            Quote: cosmos111
            GPS navigation system works in any weather conditions.

            And the TNA-3 complex, even without the participation of satellites ...
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 4 February 2014 01: 51
              0
              Quote: svp67
              And the TNA-3 complex, even without the participation of satellites ...

              Yeah, Sergey.
              Great equipment.
              Few people know about it, maybe it’s for the better.
              wink
        2. Pinochet000
          Pinochet000 3 February 2014 15: 18
          +4
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Finding a target in time is harder than ... destroying it.

          Exactly)



          Quote: Aleks tv
          PKP-T of the same "Bearing".

          BeloRus generally well done)) Pine-U is also their development ...
          The new development of OJSC “Peleng” - the panoramic sight of the commander, tested jointly with OJSC “Kurganmashzavod” and OJSC “SKBM” at landfills in the UAE and Russia, is intended for installation on both infantry fighting vehicles and tanks. With the integration of a panoramic sight, the distribution of responsibilities for finding and destroying targets between the commander and the gunner goes to a new level. The term “hunter-shooter” most accurately reflects the essence of such an interaction. The commander is busy searching for targets and deciding on destruction, while the gunner solves the problem of effectively hitting the target.
          http://gurkhan.blogspot.de/2011/10/blog-post_19.html
    3. bask
      bask 3 February 2014 17: 23
      +4
      Quote: Aleks tv
      And that’s it ... It’ll make a great T-72 Lisaped has long been invented

      Hi Lesh.
      Here is the voice of the people who will fight on these tanks and who unfortunately .......
      But whoever sits in Moscow, in my opinion, was always up to ordinary soldiers and officers.
      Yes, you said about mine protection, it is very important in a town battle, at the entrance to us .. points.
      And yet, we need a new welded tower. Of modern multi-layer armor, built-in DZ, with the possibility of installation, additional .. reservation.
      Tower MBT Mk-4.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 3 February 2014 17: 39
        +2
        Quote: bask
        Here is the voice of the people who will fight on these tanks

        Good evening, Andrey.
        hi
        That isn’t ... I’m almost a waste of material.
        But the tankers are an unkillable tribe, there are many right and firm guys who continue to serve - here for them it is necessary.
      2. Pinochet000
        Pinochet000 4 February 2014 00: 48
        +1
        What kind of modernization is this? Taken from "Courage" http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=779&p=30
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 4 February 2014 01: 23
          +1
          Quote: Pinochet000
          What kind of modernization is this? Taken from "Courage" http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=779&p=30

          Logo on the Elbit Systems poster board. Israeli modernization package - T-72KZ for Kazakhstan. Composite armor (like on a carrot most likely), dynamic protection and Elbit's stuffing, SDA thermal imagers, on-board computer, ballistic computer, optics, etc. etc.
          1. Pinochet000
            Pinochet000 4 February 2014 01: 32
            0
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Composite armor (like on a carrot most likely), dynamic protection and Elbit's stuffing, SDA thermal imagers, on-board computer, ballistic computer, optics, etc. etc.
            How much does the upgrade cost? The sides are not covered, is there no panoramic sight either or is there? Composite armor certainly sounds cool))) And so the t-72b3 level ...
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 4 February 2014 03: 02
              +5
              Quote: Pinochet000
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Composite armor (like on a carrot most likely), dynamic protection and Elbit's stuffing, SDA thermal imagers, on-board computer, ballistic computer, optics, etc. etc.
              How much does the upgrade cost? The sides are not covered, is there no panoramic sight either or is there? Composite armor certainly sounds cool))) And so the t-72b3 level ...

              I don’t know the price, of course the sight is panoramic, we don’t produce others, the level of T-72ВЗ is not quite, the reservation is slightly higher in the frontal projection of the tower, the filling is much higher (subject to the latest developments), in terms of electronics, thermal imagers and optics, we do not have many competitors today.
              Damn, what kind of rat is cowarding me from underneath minus out of place am
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 4 February 2014 03: 11
                +1
                Quote: And Us Rat
                in terms of electronics, thermal imagers and optics, we do not have many competitors today.

                Yes. There is such a letter.
                It was interesting for a long time, but did not find out: what puts Elbit Systems commander?

                Quote: And Us Rat
                minus

                I'm not sure. By the way, look at the PM.
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 4 February 2014 03: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleks tv

                  It has long been interesting, but did not find out: what puts Elbit Systems commander ...

                  When I served - a panoramic thermal imager (IR and UV range), optics with electronic zoom and automatic target tracking and the coupling of a ballistic rectifier (according to an airplane, during an exercise in my presence, a UAV target was shot down with a shell), a couple of systems that I cannot describe in detail (allowed " look over the hill ") and the output of all this on the LCD display parallel to the eyepiece + the terminal for access to the UAV, this is 15 years ago, today I don’t know, I have almost nothing to do with tanks at the training camp. Probably they brought to mind a network-centric system of information exchange on the battlefield when I served - these technologies were in their infancy.
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 4 February 2014 04: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    and the output of all this on the LCD display parallel to the eyepiece + terminal for access to the UAV,

                    Hm. Interesting.
                    Was it a personal UAV of the tank, or was it controlled by a higher level of command of the unit (company, battalion) with the transfer of information and "pictures" to the tank?
                    I do not think this is classified information.
                    It's just that the guys and I frayed this in the smoking rooms, and even here such a question was raised in VO.
                    It’s just interesting how the dagger approaches this.
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 4 February 2014 04: 34
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      and the output of all this on the LCD display parallel to the eyepiece + terminal for access to the UAV,

                      Hm. Interesting.
                      Was it a personal UAV of the tank, or was it controlled by a higher level of command of the unit (company, battalion) with the transfer of information and "pictures" to the tank?
                      I do not think this is classified information.
                      It's just that the guys and I frayed this in the smoking rooms, and even here such a question was raised in VO.
                      It’s just interesting how the dagger approaches this.

                      There were no personal UAVs, there was a channel for access to information with UAVs assisting with the unit (usually under the control of the Air Force) and through it it was possible to send a request to the operator (by pressing buttons) to move and show a specific area or target or to highlight with a laser. The communication channel is limited two-way. Today, as far as I know, there is the option of giving the tank a personal mini-UAV, but this is rarely used. On a commander’s tank, it’s expensive.
                      1. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 4 February 2014 04: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        there was an infa access channel with an UAV contributing to the unit

                        Yes. It is most effective.

                        A personal UAV near a tank is an overload for the commander. Only for a specific specific task.

                        Understood thanks. The same thoughts.
              2. Pinochet000
                Pinochet000 4 February 2014 08: 16
                +1
                Quote: And Us Rat
                the sight is of course panoramic, we do not produce others

                Where it is installed, the photo is not visible ... the description of the modernization would be read


                Quote: And Us Rat
                Damn, what kind of rat is cowarding me from underneath minus out of place

                I don’t know, I rarely put cons ...
          2. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 4 February 2014 09: 43
            +2
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Israeli modernization package - T-72KZ for Kazakhstan. Composite armor (like on a carrot most likely), dynamic protection and Elbit's stuffing, SDA thermal imagers, on-board computer, ballistic computer, optics, etc. etc.
            So he would have been sent to the tank biathlon from Kazakhstan. At the same time, we checked what this modernization is worth ..
            But, in general, it will probably be of great help to modernizers if, for example, the Israeli, Czech or Polish version of the T-72 wins.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 4 February 2014 21: 52
              0
              Quote: Alibekulu
              So he would have been sent to the tank biathlon from Kazakhstan. At the same time, we checked what this modernization is worth ..

              As far as I know, she did not go into the series in this form, so there’s nothing much to evaluate, it's from the 2010 year of the photo, since then nothing has been heard. request
              Here is a new version from 2012 - T-72KZ "Shygys"

        2. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 4 February 2014 01: 31
          +3
          Quote: Pinochet000
          What kind of modernization is this?

          T-72 modernizes the whole world.
          If I'm not mistaken, then the photo is the brainchild of the Israeli company Elbit Systems.
          She carried out work with T-72 of Azerbaijan and Georgia.
          This option was demonstrated in Astana at the KADEX exhibition.

          Here is an interesting rear view:
          1. Pinochet000
            Pinochet000 4 February 2014 01: 39
            0
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Here is an interesting rear view:

            Yes, I understand already))
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 4 February 2014 01: 45
            0
            Quote: Aleks tv
            This option was demonstrated in Astana at the KADEX exhibition.
            Here is an interesting rear view:

            Kazakh version of a somewhat dry chtoli, agree)))
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 4 February 2014 01: 58
              0
              Quote: smersh70
              Kazakh version of a somewhat dry chtoli, agree)))

              Greetings, Vurgun.
              hi
              I'm not a very special foreign modernization specialist T-72 ...
              The same as everyone else - "Internet".
              Only general details. Or you need to get deep into the documents.
              wink
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 4 February 2014 02: 17
                +2
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Greetings, Vurgun.
                Good night!
                Quote: Aleks tv
                I'm not a very special foreign modernization specialist T-72 ...
                do not be shy)) you are our chief specialist in technology !!!!!
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Only general details.

                By the way, what’s the name of the chamber, which is inserted into the tank’s barrel so as not to shoot shells, but large-caliber cartridges)) in my battalion, tankers sometimes shot them at the firing range.
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 4 February 2014 02: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: smersh70
                  You are our chief specialist in technology !!!!!

                  Not...
                  The site has a lot of pros and abruptly me. Just shy.
                  One Sergey (svp67) is worth it. By the way, I personally met him.
                  good

                  Quote: smersh70
                  the name of the chamber, which is inserted into the barrel of the tank, so as not to shoot shells, but large-caliber cartridges)) in my tank, tankmen in the battalion sometimes shot them at the firing range.

                  Straight not in the eyebrow but in the eye ...
                  laughing
                  The old one just found an article-story about shooting with an extra barrel, I’ll send it to the site moderation the other day. He's a little, ahem ... longish.
                  I will make a quote from it:

                  ... The insert barrel 14,5X114mm is inserted into the gun and fixed, GRAU index: 2X15, 2X30 or 2X35. These "trunks" using a simulator of a standard charge pallet are fixed in the charging chamber and breech of the 2A46M tank gun. The locking barrel is locked by a shutter wedge. The ballistic of the 14,5mm BZT bullet is the same up to 1400m as the 125mm BKS, and the barrel bore wear is zero, and practice skills are almost close to live firing.
                  We often shot with such a macar ... we just lived on the tank director with this, damn ... supplemental barrel.
                  Brief features:
                  2X15 - death to the flies. The bushings of the obturation of the revolving shop burned through and threatened the crew with gas pollution from the gas and with burns to the face of the tank commander.
                  2X30 - when fired, a cartridge from a six-shot revolving drum was sent to the chamber, after which a shot occurred, which improved the safety of shooting for the crew. Feature: in the production of the "seventh shot" (sleeve), the weapon jammed (rammer in the drum) and had to remove and disassemble almost the entire built-in gun to extract the sleeve.
                  2X35 - the peak of evolution, heh. A longitudinally sliding shutter and a vertical magazine saved our Nature from many matyuks and made life easier for tankmen ...


                  Photo: 2X35
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 4 February 2014 03: 10
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              Quote: Aleks tv
              This option was demonstrated in Astana at the KADEX exhibition.
              Here is an interesting rear view:

              Kazakh version of a somewhat dry chtoli, agree)))

              As I understand it, the main emphasis was on the modernization of the filling, but I also did not like it, as if they had done half the job and dropped it, could have brought to mind the reservation (some tank came out naked behind), auxiliary weapons (put a remotely controlled turret) , and KAZ to deliver.
    4. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 3 February 2014 23: 10
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv

      And that’s it ... It’ll make a great T-72. Lisaped has long been invented ...

      Hi hi , I do not agree with you, you need to move on towards Armata for example. Mig-21 was also a cool airplane, accent on the word WAS, and no modernization will put him on a par with the Su-35 or F-22.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 3 February 2014 23: 57
        +4
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Hi

        Hi, SAM.
        hi
        Until I see Armata in the troops, it is in the LINEAR troops, and not in the factory or experimental army operation,
        I will firmly state that:
        - T-90 must continue to produce;
        - T-80 to send this crime to a scrap;
        - T-72 needs to be NORMALLY modernized, and not to throw army handouts in the T-72Б3 water.

        I am a simple practitioner. For me, Armata is still a fairy tale of designers (and I want it to come true).

        1. Armata will still have an inevitable bouquet of childhood diseases that will need to be treated (remember the birth of T-64).
        But the country's defenses should not suffer from this PRESENT.

        2. Armata for 1-3 of the year does not fill the staff of all divisions and brigades. While it will be saturated in the troops, the tanks of the previous generation should be modernized in the army and ready for modern combat.

        3. With the withdrawal of all T-72 and T-80 from the troops (upon receipt of Armata), the machines must get up to the CBRT and BHVT in a modernized state for the mobile reserve.

        Remember our recent talk about biathlon, whom did you want to put against T-72B? And why do you keep these old cars in good condition? That's it ...

        I am pleased to continue the conversation, but only constructive. In the next hour and a half, unfortunately, I will be at the computer in fits and starts.

        Alex.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 4 February 2014 00: 12
          0
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Remember our recent talk about biathlon, whom did you want to put against T-72B? And why do you keep these old cars in good condition? That's it ...

          Yes, but they are all in the warehouses of the reserve (as they say on a rainy day), but in fact, even the reservists did not have them.
          Since there is no, as you say, Almaty, it’s more reasonable not to squander money on upgrading the T-72, because anyway it doesn’t even bring this tank into the lead, but start producing these cars (T-90MC) for the same money , in replacement of the combat T-72:
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 4 February 2014 00: 29
            +2
            Quote: And Us Rat
            to begin production of these machines (T-90MC) for example with the same money, in exchange for the combatant T-72:

            T-90MS is just beautiful ... moreover, real and ready for serial production. We don’t even dream about this car ...

            I absolutely agree that
            -T-90MS need to be released right now to replace the previous T-90 models on the conveyor.
            -Plus carry out the modernization of the T-72 and T-80 fleet.
            -And also - to design and test Armata.

            The release of new products and the modernization of the old always go in parallel, the only way to achieve the existence of a more or less significant fleet of modern combat vehicles.
            In another way.

            And we have:
            - T-90MS rides through exhibitions.
            - T-90 production of new cars discontinued.
            - T-80 is being watched with weapons.
            - T-72 is brought to the level of T-72Б3 ...
            and ... dream of Armata.
            1. AGM-114
              AGM-114 4 February 2014 00: 38
              0
              Quote: Aleks tv
              - T-80 is being watched with weapons.

              In vain, perhaps. The car is much more promising than beating out UKBTM.
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 4 February 2014 01: 33
                +1
                Quote: AGM-114
                In vain, perhaps. The car is much more promising than beating out UKBTM.

                They said one phrase in the case and the second ... Do you want to divert the conversation to tank srach?
                Do not be.
                1. AGM-114
                  AGM-114 4 February 2014 04: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Do not be.

                  Worth it. The T-72 is not needed, for example, and was never needed with the T-64 and T-80.
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 4 February 2014 04: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: AGM-114
                    The T-72 is not needed, for example, and was never needed with the T-64 and T-80.

                    The tankman will not answer that.
                    The T-72 is a "special period" tank, in other words, a mobilization tank. This is how it was created (and therefore simplified in terms of the MSA).
                    Minus from me, catch.
                    To get into an argument I see no reason. I do not digest trolling.
                  2. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 4 February 2014 05: 03
                    -2
                    Quote: AGM-114
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    Do not be.

                    Worth it. The T-72 is not needed, for example, and was never needed with the T-64 and T-80.

                    Even as needed, the T-64 was incomplete - it burned from the first hit, when ours grabbed them in the 67th hundreds, even tried to put it into operation, the commander-in-chief of armored vehicles (the same Tal is the father of the Merkava) quarreled with the authorities about this - said: "My soldiers are dearer to me than these coffins." And the T-80 appeared much later, so the T-72 filled that gap.
                    1. AGM-114
                      AGM-114 4 February 2014 10: 58
                      0
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      T-64

                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      grabbed in the 67th hundreds

                      Given that the T-64 went into production in a more or less sane form (T-64A) in a series already in 1970 and for export never shipped.. ..............deleted by moderator Apollo
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            2. smersh70
              smersh70 4 February 2014 02: 20
              +2
              Quote: Aleks tv
              moreover real and ready for mass production.

              it is mass-produced for us)))
              by the way, the Jews are pushing for the release of Almaty here on the site, see Alex, they want to squeeze out more information or whistle the drawings, in the morning I’m watching laughing
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 4 February 2014 02: 41
                +2
                Quote: smersh70
                want to squeeze out more information or whistle drawings

                So what are our secrets ...
                Here at exhibitions sometimes hair stands on end when you read the prospectuses - that’s all, damn it, if only to sell ... fuev’s managers ...

                By the way, I can tell you how to make a "gut" for heating the T-72 in winter.
                In the internet about this is not.
                "This is the great Soviet secret"
                laughing
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 4 February 2014 03: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  By the way, I can tell you how to make a "gut" for heating the T-72 in winter.
                  In the internet about this is not.
                  "This is the great Soviet secret"
                  laughing

                  Already burning with curiosity fellow I am sure something extraordinary. wink
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 4 February 2014 03: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    I am sure something extraordinary.

                    That .......

                    So we take a piece of long tarpaulin and sculpt a pipe from it.
                    We attach one end to one of the radiator grilles (it is rectangular, so there is something to think of)
                    We sew the other end from the inside, making a semi-soft edge and ...
                    Все.
                    - In the stowed position and while driving, we push it into a wide-open ejection hatch of pallets and fix it inside the tower.
                    - In the pre-battle, we just shove it into the “forever” open hatch of the commander.
                    In the tank - Africa, at -30 they made a march with open hatches (Toko’s scissors still freeze slightly.
                    But then the crew’s faces are, ahem ... a little bit “litolny”.
                    laughing

                    Spatsitelno searched in the internet - no pictures. It will be necessary to scan your black and white.
                    Siberia and the Far East probably still travels with them. You won't last long without "guts" in the cold ... The T-72 is a harsh machine.
                    The appearance is abaldened (when the pipe is inflated between the transmission and the turret), the civilian natives are a little scared at the sight of such an incomprehensible "secret" tank ...
                    lol
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 4 February 2014 04: 53
                      +1
                      Yeah, I suspected something like that laughing During field exercises, we put the nose of the jeep into the tent for the night - warm the air before going to bed laughing
              2. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 4 February 2014 03: 17
                0
                Quote: smersh70
                Quote: Aleks tv
                moreover real and ready for mass production.

                it is mass-produced for us)))
                by the way, the Jews are pushing for the release of Almaty here on the site, see Alex, they want to squeeze out more information or whistle the drawings, in the morning I’m watching laughing

                No, it’s more likely to verify how true the rumors are that half of the technical solutions in it are laced with MK4. Curiosity laughing
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 4 February 2014 03: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  how true are the rumors

                  so far only rumors.
                  wink
                  ...
                  How many rumors strike our ears.
                  How many gossip corrodes like a moth.
                  They walk dry, as if everything will rise in price, absolutely,
                  And especially - table salt. … Forever and ever.
                  And this information is correct.

                  ...
              3. nightingale
                nightingale 4 February 2014 17: 36
                0
                Why do they need drawings, they approve them in Israel.
  6. istemis
    istemis 3 February 2014 12: 42
    0
    Tanks that t-72, that t-90, compact. Do not turn around to the tanker inside the car. It would be spacious, it would also be a plus to the effectiveness of the crew. IMHO
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 3 February 2014 12: 51
      +9
      Quote: istemis
      Tanks that t-72, that t-90, compact. Do not turn around to the tanker inside the car.

      Yes, the first impression is cramped.
      But in the future you understand that the equipment is located quite reasonably and everything at hand.
      Compactness is not a critical minus.
      1. Sinbad
        Sinbad 3 February 2014 14: 45
        +4
        In the early 80s, the mechanical water served. at seventy-two. It is quite spacious and comfortable, you get to everything without looking, only your feet freeze in winter.
  7. saxa2103
    saxa2103 3 February 2014 12: 42
    +8
    point 6 — let me choose mods for tanks — for tankers, not generals., weapons — shooters for planes for pilots, and let the MO give birth to money, (if we reduce our generals, then a couple of regiments there, a couple of squadrons here and maybe a small submarine is enough, and can be atomic 0
    ps home lieutenants generals serve ....
  8. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 3 February 2014 12: 50
    +10
    Aleksey, I’m welcome! I am 100% solidarity. It seems that GBTU MO is headed by a flyer or artilleryman who never understands what a modern tank is and what it is needed for. It takes the whole brethren of command for a couple of months to the commander of the platoon commander- send the battalion, and for one, and the factory. Maybe then they will start to think and do in the right direction.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 3 February 2014 13: 01
      +5
      Quote: Andrey 447
      It seems that GBTU MO is headed by

      Greetings, Andrew.
      hi
      That babai knows them ...
      Now GABTU is headed by Shevchenko, he also set up a stool. Tanker techie with two academies.
      How they "cook" in their Arbat VO, what kind of order they have there - they only know about themselves.
  9. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 3 February 2014 13: 17
    +4
    Now GABTU is headed by Shevchenko, he also set up a stool. Tanker techie with two academies. Well techie thinks more about maintainability belay GS should think more about combat capabilities.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 3 February 2014 14: 04
      +2
      Quote: Andrey 447
      Well, a techie thinks more about maintainability. GSh should think more about combat capabilities.

      Yeah ... Andrew.
      And Shevchenko, just a year ago, tankers of the 138th brigade popularly explained all the shortcomings of the T-72B3 and why it is "better" than the T-80BV ...
      So it's been a long time ... ahem, in the know.
      Let's see what he is "getting" in the future (he calculates the TTZ for the General Staff). So far, everything is unchanged, only for biathlon I came up with the T-72B3M, and the troops are using the same equipment, but without the 2A-46M-5. The old cannons are being installed.
      1. Andrew 447
        Andrew 447 3 February 2014 16: 49
        +1
        The guns put the old ones. I hope not D-81? belay Yes it's sad. The BTVs are being harassed, as under Khrushchev. Is there really no tank commanders (former) left in the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense who would understand and improve the strategy of using tank troops. At this rate, after 5 years, only TB will remain in the SMBR and the storage base. And then with enormous torments and costs we will recreate tank formations.
  10. Arh
    Arh 3 February 2014 13: 52
    0
    Tanks, planes, ships, what other weapons are very healthy for long-term prospective cooperation! ! !
  11. sergant89
    sergant89 3 February 2014 14: 50
    +2
    There are no words, only mats, but where is it all on our native Russian tanks? And for us, as usual, bed nets and sandbags, thanks to my native country. soldier
  12. yehat
    yehat 3 February 2014 15: 03
    0
    until they are directly interested in combat readiness, they will supply equipment whatever.
    And they will order cheaper, our soldiers will forgive everything, but these are not foreigners who need to survive in battle and not be defeated by rain, heat and frost.
  13. samoletil18
    samoletil18 3 February 2014 16: 00
    0
    And it would be nice to organize an audit of the defense industry (total) in terms of financial and technological discipline. And according to the results: fines, arrests, seizures of enterprises in favor of the state. Only trouble, they will appoint managers with cognate rather than mental potential (I am silent about honesty).
  14. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 3 February 2014 17: 46
    0
    The Indians will take it, break it in, everything will be frayed. And if not, you can put on your own and even change the Indians, we live under capitalism. Why do we need convenience, why do we need a new cannon, etc.? Although it’s already pleasing that they are starting to cooperate again with the production and choose the best. It's a shame both for the Indians and for us there was no new tank! True, they invented a tank tank biathlon, even though the crews began to train.
  15. max73
    max73 3 February 2014 19: 04
    +4
    Dear, sorry, my post will be a little off topic. it's just that there is no other suitable topic today, but here it is about tanks ... last year I enjoyed watching tank biathlon at the same T-72s, and I follow with interest the news about the future championship. everything is great, but ... today, by the nature of my work, I was looking through government purchases .. I saw a notice- "To complete a full range of work on the preparation of the facility:" Preparing the training ground for the 2nd Motorized Rifle Division and 4 TD for the World Tank Biathlon Championship "(Narofominsky District, Moscow Region) ( Object code 59/823) "the amount is more than a billion .... yes, then such a biathlon is needed for a fig, and even a supplier has no alternative chosen? with all due respect to the Minister of Defense - this is not good ... for those who do not believe - the notification number is 31400859429
    1. sergeschern
      sergeschern 3 February 2014 23: 05
      +1
      Gigantomania and the eternal habit of blowing dust in the eyes - this is not to be taken away from our superiors!
  16. Conepatus
    Conepatus 3 February 2014 20: 55
    +1
    Recently, I notice that India takes from Russia only that which it cannot take (buy) from others.
    These are supersonic anti-ship missiles and nuclear submarines for rent. As for conventional weapons, the Indians have no logic. Often, one weapon system is duplicated by another one, identical in purpose, but incompatible in maintenance. So I would not be surprised if the Indians choose instead of modernization from the manufacturer / developer, someone else's left modernization, Israeli, or Polish.
    The minds of the Indians do not understand request
  17. Watchman
    Watchman 3 February 2014 21: 34
    +1
    Saakashvili chose Israeli modernization and we all know how the T-72SIM proved to be in Ossetia. So UVZ has a good chance to get a contract.
    1. alone
      alone 3 February 2014 22: 21
      0
      Quote: Watchman
      Saakashvili chose Israeli modernization and we all know how the T-72SIM proved to be in Ossetia.


      In fact, in the tank forces it all depends on the crew’s training. If the crew is professionally prepared, then the T-34 is not a hindrance to complete the task
  18. project sity
    project sity 4 February 2014 07: 05
    0
    Such power! Uh ... But now another tank will go into service) or am I mistaken? T90 is outdated or something: D