News of the construction program of the DVKD "Vladivostok"

As it became known to our blog from a source in the shipbuilding industry of Russia, after the arrival of the landing amphibious assault helicopter-dock (DVKD) Vladivostok type Mistral in Russia in the fall of 2014, the ship will be under construction in Kronstadt during the year. Russian armament and equipment will be mounted on it, in addition, the ship itself will be brought into compliance with the requirements of the Russian Ministry of Defense. Probably, the work will be carried out by the crews of Shipbuilding Plant Severnaya Shipyard OJSC.

It is interesting to note that since the construction company (STX France) gives a whole one-year warranty on the ship, during completion it will go to sea to test the performance of various DVKD systems.

Installation of the "island" on the serial DVKD Sevastopol under construction, 19.12.2013 (c) STX France

The source even noted the high quality of the work of the Baltiysky Zavod-Sudostroenie LLC on the aft part of the DVKD. When mounting, the gap between the French and Russian parts of the body was only 2 mm.

Comments

[Trailer]

And yet I liked "Rhinos" more!

[donavi49]

Even the Navy of the USSR did not like rhinos. For helicopter operation is as complicated as possible with various emergency situations and simply restrictions on excitement, travel, and wind are very strong. The ship itself was moody and problematic. Therefore, they were stopped and therefore they began to be written off in the USSR (101 went to the write-off in the USSR, they simply did not have time, the union collapsed before).

[avt]

Quote: donavi49

The ship itself was moody and problematic.

The admirals were too clever with the requirement to him - "the Swiss and the reaper, and the gambler", the same thing, but in a reduced size, have done with "Ivan Gren". Well, there is no sane concept for amphibious ships, unlike "trendsetters" - yamers. And large-capacity ships in the USSR could have been built - "Sevmorput" is not a landing supply? And his predecessor, "Alexei Kosygin"? After all, the mobilization potential in them is laid precisely as support and provision of transportation to an unfinished or insufficiently equipped coast. In the "fight" with aircraft carriers, the appearance of a whole class of ships - the UDC - slept.

[And Us Rat]

Photos from the assembly:

[predator.3]

However, the French are quickly building!

[T-100]

However, the French are quickly building!

Their industry did not know the collapse of 90's.

[leon-iv]

Well, be and our fodder were delivered on time.

[APASUS]

Quote: predator.3

However, the French are quickly building!

I just don’t understand what all this speed is.

during the year, the ship will be under construction in Kronstadt. Russian weapons and equipment will be mounted on it, in addition, the ship itself will be brought under the requirements of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

Why did you need such an aggregate once you need to finish building it? Where are all the widely advertised systems for which all this was purchased?

[120352]

The ship, of course, is large, but stupid of some kind in combat power. Is it possible to drive bullies from the beaches and ride girls.

[donavi49]

For girls, they build a ship to the fleet in river shipyards.

Stupid, oh oh. Now UDC and DKVD are the most popular ships in the world, which order everything from Algeria, Peru and Turkey, to Japan, China and the USA.

Fighting power should be targeted, strikes from the sea on land and ships should be done by frigates and destroyers from UKKS for example. However, they are not capable of:
- carrying out landing operations
- carrying out special operations (and this is relevant today, recall the recent raid on Somalia from Fur Seals from Wosp, the recent raid on the same Somalia from Toner Frantsuzov)
- Helicopter operations of different directions, nevertheless 6 helicopters in the wave raises, this is a minute more than the 1 wave of the entire ship Pacific Fleet. Here and rescue, evacuation, shock missions on land / sea, patrolling, etc.
- transportation of long-range assault forces with the possibility of a long stay at sea with a level of combat readiness (ours went to INDRA 1,5 years ago in BFK Black Sea Fleet in India, they were late without stopping in Oman, and even got into a hangout, as a result, none came to India and a week lay down)
- various rescue and humanitarian operations
- projection of force


All this cannot be done with a fleet of destroyer frigates. Do not meet the needs and BDK.

[alone]

Quote: 120352

The ship, of course, is big, but some kind of stupid

You’re like a captain of the first rank, if I’m not mistaken. It’s all the same UDC, and not a cruiser or destroyer.

[Arhj]

Quote: 120352

The ship, of course, is large, but stupid of some kind in combat power. Is it possible to drive bullies from the beaches and ride girls.

There is a double purpose here. For 20 years of devastation and collapse, we are far behind in the technology of building surface warships of this size, or even simply forgot how to build. In a report on the ceremony of handing over the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier to India, the Sevmash specialists honestly admitted that they had to learn a lot anew. And here are two combat units and technology, which the French undertook to transfer under the terms of the contract.
This type of ship is certainly not without flaws, but if they were so bad, I do not think that such a howl would have risen from NATO, which was the background for signing contracts.

[moremansf]

They’ll build it, hand it over to the fleet, go to the BS, then we will discuss all the advantages of this project, but for now it has no operational experience, so there’s nothing to compare with ... Time will tell !!!
For comparison:
BDK project 1174 with a displacement of 14 thousand tons, they are capable of speeds up to 20 knots, and their range is 7,5 thousand miles. One such ship is capable of taking on board up to 50 tanks, 80 armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles or 120 trucks. In addition, the dock chamber of the Project 1174 ships is designed for six landing boats of projects 1176 or 1185. The flight deck of the Rogov-type large landing craft is designed for four Ka-29 transport and combat helicopters. The weapons of the Project 1174 ships include a two-gun artillery mount AK-726 caliber 76 mm, four AK-630 artillery mounts of 30 mm caliber, a two-beam launcher of the Osa-M anti-aircraft missile system and two Grad-M multiple launch rocket systems, 22 guides in each.
UDC "Mistral" displacement of 21,3 thousand tons. The ship is capable of speeds up to 19 knots, and its cruising range is 11 thousand miles. The helicopter carrier is capable of carrying up to 60 armored personnel carriers, or 450 paratroopers plus 13 tanks, or 70 vehicles. The air group of the Russian version of the ship can include up to 16 Ka-52, Ka-29 and Ka-27 helicopters. The ship will be armed with AK-630 gun mounts, Gibka anti-aircraft missile launchers and Kalibr supersonic cruise missiles.

[muhomor]

But he is not so weak.

[moremansf]

To date, not a single Project 1174 ship has remained in the active composition of the Russian fleet. The lead paratrooper of the project - "Ivan Rogov" - was scrapped in 1996. After the "Enko" was written off, the only representative of the project will remain "Alexander Nikolaev", which entered the fleet in 1982 and has been in reserve since 1997. So far, nothing is known about the fate of Nikolayev, and the Russian military department plans to auction the Yenko in order to get as much money as possible for it.
The most capacious landing ship of the Russian fleet will be sold for scrap. At present, the cost of 11,5 tons of steel used for the construction of the Yenko is no more than $ 2,5 million on the market. Potential buyers of the Russian paratrooper are not yet known, however, one of them may be China, traditionally buying Soviet-built ships and turning them into museums or even full-fledged combat units.
Once again, replenish the Chinese Navy !!!!

[donavi49]

China then why ??? He has 3 new 071 DKVD, each of which is better than a rhino. Now they are building their Huospo-Mistral on 30 tons with a solid deck.

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

However, we used to build quickly: for example, the B-470 submarine of the "Halibut" type was laid down on May 6, 1985, launched on August 27 of the same year, in the fleet on December 30, again of the same year. That is, it took 7 months from the laying to commissioning. But then what happened: B-261 "Novorossiysk" of the "Varshavyanka" type (improved project "Halibut") was laid down on August 20, 2010, launched on November 28, 2013, and is planned to be included in the fleet in 2014. What happened to us?

[Russian sniper]

You will remember the collapse of the industrial chain in the 90s and calm down.

[moremansf]

Meanwhile, in the next few years, there may be a significant reduction in the Russian amphibious fleet, which includes 19 large landing ships. At the same time, the basis of the BDK fleet is the ships of the project 775 (versions 775, 775 / II and 775 / III) - there are 15 of them. The oldest such paratroopers - "Olenegorsky miner" and "Kondopoga" - entered the fleet in 1976, and the newest - "Peresvet" and "Korolev" - in 1991.
In addition, the Russian fleet includes four Project 1171 Tapir large landing ships: Saratov (in the Navy since 1966), Orsk (1968), Nikolay Vilkov (1974) and Nikolai Filchenkov ( 1975). According to experts, the overwhelming majority of BDK will be decommissioned in the next ten years. At the same time, the program for the construction of new paratroopers for the fleet provides for the supply of a significantly smaller number of ships.

[moremansf]

It is planned to add six Project 11711 large landing ships to the Russian fleet. The first such paratrooper, named "Ivan Gren", is planned to be transferred to the Russian Navy in 2014. Its construction has been underway since December 2004. The construction of the second ship of Project 11711, whose name has not yet been assigned, is frozen until the end of the tests of the lead paratrooper in the series. It was previously planned that the second ship will enter the fleet in 2017.
Paratroopers of the "Gren" class with a displacement of five thousand tons will be able to reach speeds of up to 18 knots, and their cruising range will be 3,5 thousand miles. One ship of this type will be able to transport up to 13 main battle tanks, up to 36 armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles, or up to 300 airborne troops. The aviation group of ships of the project 11711 will include, according to various sources, one or two Ka-29 helicopters. The ships will be armed with two AK-630M, AK-176M gun mounts and two Grad-M multiple rocket launchers.

[moremansf]

Taking into account the current trend and expert assessments, by 2020 only four landing ships may remain in the Russian fleet - two projects 11711 and two Mistrals. The current state armaments program of Russia, according to which the fleet should receive about five trillion rubles, the modernization of the existing landing ships is not provided
There are two ways to relate to this state of things. On the one hand, in the foreseeable future, the Russian fleet will not have to solve significant landing tasks - no serious military operations with landing on the coast, in which Russia could take part, are expected. In this case, the reduction of the landing fleet is justified - most of the ships are already significantly outdated and their repair and modernization will require substantial financial injections. Thus, the most logical solution is to create and maintain a small landing fleet of new ships that can participate in small local conflicts.
On the other hand, it is not clear whether the Russian Ministry of Defense, which probably decided to act in the first scenario, made an assessment of the minimum sufficiency of amphibious assault ships in the Navy. It is also not clear whether, in the long term, ten amphibious assault ships (four Mistrals and six Grens) will be able to carry out their direct duties without any restrictions in conditions of large-scale conflicts, if such, of course, arise. Indeed, in this case, the fleet will need to be able to simultaneously transfer significant numbers of troops and equipment.

[donavi49]

Ivan Gren is no longer BDK, but VTR. And he will be alone. Surrender to 2015 can. Now the jambs are due to the GEM - the plant delayed it for some 2 years and shipped it only under the NG 2014.

[colonel manuch]

We clarified the situation, it's not happy! We ourselves seem to have forgotten how to build quickly and efficiently, we still can't finish building the poor Ivan Gren, the frigates are stuck, we can't decide what to do with the cruisers. Yes, and it's time for the Petra to be repaired, that's what it means Effective managers have been managing for 20 years! And meanwhile, China is serially building d-e-s-i-t-k-a-m-i.

[yehat]

I understand everything, ships are popular, maybe this or that ...
I myself examined the Mistral in St. Petersburg on the embankment of Lieutenant Schmidt.
But I can’t understand - why can’t we design and build this floating shed ???

[arnar114]

To start building ships, not much is currently needed: to disperse 90% of the existing management personnel who write to each other a lot of unnecessary paper and do not in any way affect the release of the final product; restore machine-tool building, electrical industry, chemical industry; create an electronic industry; restore the system of training personnel of all levels and specialties, raise them for 5-10 years, paying a salary comparable to the salary of "snotty" warriors ..... And a lot more ...

[Wiruz]

construction company (STX France) gives a one-year warranty on the ship

Hm. I have a longer guarantee for the freezer.

[predator.3]

On these giants, the Americans are transferring their troops to different parts of the world! They are not shown at parades and in museums, films are not made about them and books are not written.

http://topwar.ru/28688-amfibiynye-gruppy-vms-ssha-blef-ili-realnaya-ugroza.html

[donavi49]

Well, we don’t need this yet, because there are no large groups in places where you can reach only by sea.

[SV]

Well, we don’t need this yet, because there are no large groups in places where you can reach only by sea.

And in perspective? In the event of a change in the geopolitical situation, it is difficult to build a sufficient number of units ... In the late 80s and the first half of the 90s, America was cheers / down with the army / why the fleet / etc.

[Wiruz]

Gentlemen, no one will enlighten, how exactly how many helicopters are planned to be deployed on the Russian Mistrals? According to some data, up to 16, according to others up to 32. The spread is even too big ...

[donavi49]

16 of Ka-29M, Ka-27M helicopters (well, as long as it is not Ka-27PS / PL), Ka-52K is a full-time grouping.

For a short time, you can increase the grouping based on decks - with 6 used take-off / landing sites, you can still take 4-6 helicopters to overload the deck with their installation near the superstructure and in the bow-stern niches where they do not interfere with take-off / landing.

The French Gazelles and Pumas shoved hard for 20 into the hangar.

[yehat]

32 it’s simply pointless to keep there, some of them will be just a packed, unfit load in the hangar.

[donavi49]

By the way, for those who speak faster and cheaper themselves - a fresh interview with Sergei Vlasov (Nevsky Design Bureau which draws such ships).

- Will the next BDK project be radically different from "Ivan Gren"?
“Yes, of course.” It will be a more versatile ship for equipment based on it, landing methods. We have achievements, we reported them to the Navy Commander at a conference at the Kuznetsov Naval Academy, but so far there has been no further progress.
The configuration of the promising "paratrooper" will be about the same. Perhaps outwardly it will look more like the Mistral, or its superstructure will move towards the bow, and the stern will be open. The options can be different, depending on what characteristics are set by the fleet. It will take 7-8 years to create such a ship, it all depends on the size, funding and the availability of cooperation. Such a ship will cost about 20 billion rubles.


7-8 years to create and 550 million dollars.

At the same time, he means a ship like Rotterdam or the updated San Gusto NG.

[PLO]

400 million euros approximately, Mistral is more expensive. (1.2 billion euros for two ships)
and most importantly, only in 7-8 years will such ships make sense to us, because Appropriate escort ships will appear.
so far, the Russian Federation is not able to conduct landing operations in the oceans

[donavi49]

Yes, but cause and effect. In 2013, we simultaneously had in the oceans 1 TARK, 2 RKR, 2 BOD, 2 SKR. These are real ships that served away from home and were on a campaign at the same time. Therefore, you can collect an order for UDC at any time. But it’s more difficult to find a paratrooper, because the choice is between 775 and 1171, which are quite old and not very technically ready.

[PLO]

1 TARK, 2 RKR, 2 BOD, 2 SKR.

Anytime? are you kidding? All of these ships are scattered in 4 fleets, not to mention the fact that half of them are purely anti-submarine, and all do not have rocket launchers to attack ground targets. I don’t think it’s worth mentioning that they all have been asking for modernization for a long time, and most importantly there are no shifts for these ships, and all ships require periodic repairs
so until the 11356 and 22350s appear in sufficient numbers all this is pointless

But it’s more difficult to find a paratrooper, because the choice is between 775 and 1171 rather age-related and not very technically ready.

as trucks and 775 do an excellent job.
the Russian Federation does not currently have tasks for which it needs UDC / DVKD, they will justify themselves only if we have a real need to carry out landing operations in the oceans