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Tatar component of Kiev riots

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Tatar component of Kiev riots



During the years of independence of Ukraine, the Crimean-Tatar nationalist movement gained strength as an anti-Russian force. Today, when among the many events taking place in a large country, Kiev Maidan was turned into event No. 1, the anti-Russian tip of the Crimean Tatar Majlis is turning against the Ukrainian state.

More 1 December 2013 appeared information about the landing of the radical Islamists of the Crimea, heading to the capital of Ukraine to help "euromaidan". The backbone of the "Crimean assault" was made up of war veterans in Syria, who fought there as part of anti-government armed groups. All this time, the deputy chairman of the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz has been engaged in the formation of groups sent to Kiev by buses. On January 28, the Mejlis organized a mass gathering of its supporters in Simferopol in support of the Kiev “euromaidan”, declaring it “an all-Crimean rally against the establishment of a dictatorship in Ukraine”.


Currently, about a thousand Crimean Tatars are active in Kiev, including in the "self-defense units" (the expression itself evokes ominous associations: during the Great Patriotic War, the "self-defense units" of the Tatar nationalists actively helped the occupying German forces in the Crimea "new order ", participating together with the Germans in the extermination of tens of thousands of Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, Greeks and other civilians in the Crimea).

In the emergence of "euromaidan" as weapons politicizing radical Islamists from the Majlis saw their great chance ... Chairman of the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people Refat Chubarov desperately spurs the events: “After blood was shed, no one’s tactical concessions he does not pay off ... Under the feet of the authorities, the land began to burn, and in fact the popular uprising went through the regions ... - the leader of the Majlis proclaimed in his January 28 interview. “I believe that this revolutionary storm will clear Ukraine.”

Behind the instigating appeals of the “petrel of the revolution”, things follow
At present, the leadership of the Mejlis plans to double the Crimean Tatar "contingent" in the zone of unrest in Kiev and to increase the participation of its activists in anti-government speeches, primarily at the expense of student youth. The financial support of the Crimean-Tatar “reinforcements” sent to help “euromaidan” is taken over by the leadership of the Majlis.


In turn, the Committee of National Resistance "euromaidan" promised the Crimean Tatars full assistance. In a sense, there is some kind of relapse. It testifies to the short memory of the Crimean Tatar leaders, who were left with the nose of the model 2004 of the year, despite any agreement, or the readiness of the leaders of anti-government forces to use even Islamists to overthrow the legitimate government. At the same time, according to some Crimean observers, the price of the active participation of the Crimean Tatar nationalists in the operation to overthrow the existing regime in the country is not yet fully agreed with the “three-headed” opposition and, most importantly, with foreign patrons (such coordination is underway, about what the visit of one of the leaders of the Majlis to Brussels and Berlin in late January says).

As you might guess, the sentiments of the Crimean Tatar youth, this tidy acquisition of Turkish universities, controlled not only by Turkic theologians, are not radicalized at all so that Ukrainian champions of European integration could hold gay parades on Yalta beach or Kiev Maidan. And the future of Crimea from Washington, for example, is seen in a completely different way than, say, from Beijing. Or from Warsaw, for which the priority of the activities of its NGOs, diplomatic representatives and public organizations in Crimea is cooperation with the Crimean Tatar Mejlis and the discrediting of the Russian movement. Not to mention Ankara, proceeding from the fact that in Turkey there are more than three million Tatars who consider Crimea their "historical ancestral home ”(this is more than the entire current population of the peninsula).

So while in Kiev Maidan they drool towards the European Union and bullets at the policemen, Tatar nationalists in Crimea, counting on the support of NATO, are preparing to speak openly, turning the exposed sociopolitical contradictions of Ukrainian society into an inter-ethnic war on the Kosovo variant. The targets of their speech are defined: relying on the support of the “overlords of Maidan”, proclaim Tatar territorial autonomy within the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, then transform territorial autonomy into national, then proclaim its sovereignty, and so on - until the Crimea is separated.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 3 February 2014 07: 15
    +25
    during the years of World War II, the "self-defense units" of the Tatar nationalists actively helped the occupying German troops to restore a "new order" in Crimea
    Already posted, but here as nowhere else
    SUPPORTERS OF EUROINTEGRATION
    1. GorynychZmey78
      GorynychZmey78 3 February 2014 07: 26
      +21
      and here are the European integrators of the Second World War!
      eh, nothing has changed since then ((
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 3 February 2014 09: 46
        +8
        Once they have already been evicted, have not calmed down, to predict to ride again.
        1. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 3 February 2014 10: 13
          +9
          Where to get a leader of such magnitude and independence who could do this, despite the howl of the Euro-liberals? Yes, so that he still did not have finances abroad ...
        2. AVV
          AVV 3 February 2014 10: 46
          +11
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          Once they have already been evicted, have not calmed down, to predict to ride again.

          To drive the Crimean Tatars with a broom, Stalin was right, and he did not keep this mzraz at his side !!!
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 3 February 2014 14: 32
            +6
            Quote: AVV
            Drive the Crimean Tatars with a broom,

            .... Broom in hand and go !!!!! if you take the broom, I will go second after YOU. hi
            1. alone
              alone 3 February 2014 19: 38
              +4
              Quote: smersh70
              .... Broom in hand and go !!!!! if you take the broom, I will go second after YOU.

              laughing Vurgun, do not talk about turning bags. Every second person is already cleaning the machine gun with words to capture Kiev, and every third starts tanks.
        3. smersh70
          smersh70 3 February 2014 14: 30
          -2
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          Once they have already been evicted, have not calmed down, to predict to ride again.

          why don’t you evict those who lived on the territory of Lokot State. There will be more. Such calls as yours will not lead to anything. Well, go and evict, if so bold and important. winked
        4. nikcris
          nikcris 3 February 2014 15: 40
          +2
          Where? To Lion?
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 3 February 2014 15: 54
            0
            Quote: nikcris
            Where? To Lion?

            You know better or a friend who is ready to evict, how do I know ...
      2. Goldmitro
        Goldmitro 3 February 2014 12: 58
        +6
        Quote: GorynychZmey78
        and here are the European integrators of the Second World War!

        According to our libesrals, these are the so-called victims of the totalitarian regime, on whose conscience participation in the Second World War is on the side of the fascists, the genocide of the Russian, Ukrainian population in Crimea! And it seems that their history has not taught them anything yet! Mentally, these Crimean Tatars were obviously stuck in an era when they carried out raids on Russia! Well, well, history PUNISHES and punishes such stubborn "ignoramuses" and no foreign "sponsors", fellow believers and "allies" will help them! It's your own fault!
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 3 February 2014 07: 36
      +15
      Quote: Denis
      Already posted, but here as nowhere else

      You are mistaken, they entered (more precisely, tried) much earlier. On 10 of December 1917 in Tatarstan, a Tatar kurultai was convened. Kurultay formed the “Crimean Tatar National Government” under the leadership of the mufti Chelebidjan Chelebiev, who was later replaced by Jafsr Seydamet. The self-proclaimed government formed an “army” of several thousand nationalists. In July 1918, a “government” delegation visited Berlin. Tatars asked to recognize the independence of the sovereign "Crimean Khanate" and, of course, money. But while the trial and the case, the Germans began a revolution, and they were not up to the khans.
      1. Denis
        Denis 3 February 2014 08: 40
        +11
        Quote: Tersky
        they entered (or rather tried) much earlier
        Then maybe the solution to their question is worth Joseph Vissarionych officially credited?
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 3 February 2014 14: 28
      -6
      Quote: Denis
      Already posted, but here nowhere else to the place

      on the next branch he will post a sathya about the Cossacks. They also fought for the Germans and more than the Crimean Tatars. And what. But right now they flaunt their uniforms and even let them go to Sochi. Look at the decisions of the Tatars, they keep the neutral side and ask that the sides lead they talked and negotiated. And if someone does not believe, let their channel look at Astra 4.8 degrees. How does the author know what the Crimean Tatars want. To poke the Ukrainians, they put articles, the devil knows that. Rights Pavel, ask those who live there, and not every belaberd.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 3 February 2014 15: 39
        +6
        Quote: smersh70
        on the next branch he will post a satyu about the Cossacks. They also fought for the Germans and more than the Crimean Tatars.

        The topic has already been discussed at Military Review. If you do not have time to read, read. If you do not understand, re-read. Do not shift from a sick mind to a healthy one, now we are talking about the revival of collaboration in the Crimea.
        Quote: smersh70
        How does the author know what the Crimean Tatars want.
        But what about the sensational statement of the head of the Foreign Relations Department of the Mejlis Ali Khamzin? This prominent Tatar functionary stated literally the following:
        - We will not dissociate ourselves from those Crimean Tatars who, in your opinion, were supposedly collaborators. We will not dissociate ourselves from the Vlasovites and do not consider them traitors. Because that system was criminal and today its memory is also criminal!
        Ali Khamzin is one of the most respected figures of the Muslim community of Crimea. In fact, the head of the Majlis Foreign Ministry. His opinion is very much listened to. And now this man says that collaboration is not a shame. What are not considered traitors are those who served the Nazis.
        Or such a factorganized a ceremonial reburial of the Obersturmführer of the "Crimea" battle group of the East Turkic SS unit Cengiz Dagji.
        Next to the Obersturmfuhrer on the memorial territory of the Zyndzhyrly Madrasah of Bakhchisarai lies another heroic person - Mustafa Edige Kırımal. In January, 1943 was officially recognized by the Third Reich as chairman of the Crimean Tatar National Center. Died in Germany at 1980. Now the Mejlis, with all the honors, has returned his ashes to his homeland, proclaiming the leader of the collaborators "an outstanding statesman of our people."
        Read fully here Give an example of this "wanting" in Russia.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 3 February 2014 15: 57
          0
          Quote: Tersky
          If you do not understand, re-read. Do not shift from a sick head to a healthy one.

          these questions are not for me, I actively participated in this discussion.
          Quote: Tersky
          If you do not understand

          My koment was addressed to a specific visitor who put pictures of the Tatars during the Second World War. if you already take pictures, adding pictures from the Second World War and soldering Euro-integration, then this visitor should also remember the others, which I reminded him of.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 3 February 2014 16: 24
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            these questions are not for me, I actively participated in this discussion.

            Strange. recourse . no one Your comment on the branch did not find ...
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 3 February 2014 17: 26
              0
              Quote: Tersky
              I didn’t find any of your comments on the branch ...

              it was a couple of months ago. maybe we have in mind different articles, but the discussion was and I was all in red)) it’s good that Gucci helped later)))) with his arguments)))
              dd
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 3 February 2014 17: 23
          0
          Quote: Tersky
          Read in full here Give an example of such "wanting" in Russia.

          yes with pleasure! in the next branch about the Cossacks, there is a photo - In the CENTER OF MOSCOW, a monument was put to Shkuro and everyone else winked
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 3 February 2014 17: 53
            +5
            Quote: smersh70
            yes with pleasure! in the next branch about the Cossacks, there is a photo - In the CENTER OF MOSCOW, a monument was put to Shkuro and everyone else

            Something point blank I do not see the monument in the center of Moscow, in 2014. This monument was dismantled in 2008. Krasnoselky Lane is far from the center of Moscow. And the ministers of the Church of All Saints put it on the donations of parishioners, and not as on the initiative of the government of the Russian Federation or Moscow ... As they say, feel the difference ..
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 3 February 2014 18: 11
              +1
              Quote: Tersky
              This monument was dismantled in 2008.

              You asked me to set an example; I showed you.
              Quote: Tersky
              and not as initiated by the government of the Russian Federation or Moscow ...

              and that in the Crimea Tatars sit and lead the Supreme Council of Crimea or the mayor is a Crimean Tatar. The Mejlis is also a public organization.
              now this man says that collaboration--- The conversation was not about what the Tatars say about the past, but the conversation was about (as an article) that Tatars want to go to Maidan and Europe. That's what I answered, how did the author know what the Tatars want. and on TV (channel T) Astara 4.8 degrees - they took a neutral position.
              but in general, the article is again aimed, as it were, to add to the Ukrainians. For 2 months they discussed everything. It remains only to discuss why the Ukrainians are mostly not blondes, but brunettes.
              1. GorynychZmey78
                GorynychZmey78 3 February 2014 19: 25
                +2
                smersh70
                the conversation was not about what the Tatars talk about the past, but the conversation was about (in the article) that the Tatars want to go to Maidan and to Europe


                Well, the article is more likely that the story is repeating itself!
                maybe they don’t go to Europe, but in any case they are ready to hold on to any radical forces that somehow bring them closer to reuniting with their co-religionists and the former metropolis namely Turkey
                and it was always like that as soon as Russia brought weakness, those radical forces who were ready to serve any kind of destitute would annoy the metropolitan countries, which of course will not be used by all the Western powers pursuing the same goal, and if the goal is one, then all radical movements become united for the time regardless of their original requirements !
                the bases for the preparation of terrorists in the Crimea (this is a fact) could not be dreamed of by Soviet people even in nightmares! but now please and say something to me that they will appear in the Crimea without the participation of the Crimean Tatars just could not! potamuchto that this is an obscurity!
                and how tollo (God forbid) will be as you described above
                and that in the Crimea Tatars sit and lead the Supreme Council of Crimea or the mayor is a Crimean Tatar. The Mejlis is also a public organization.
                I am afraid that in this vein of the development of the events of the war, under the increasing radical pressure from outside, the Crimean Tatars will no longer escape!
                so set up a new world order !! not we created it but it is up to us to fight it
                and Russia once didn’t get Crimea, under no circumstances am I absolutely certain of this!
                1. alone
                  alone 3 February 2014 19: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: GorynychZmey78
                  Well, the article is more likely that the story is repeating itself!


                  Dmitry, having read A. Rybakov's book "Children of the Arbat", especially remembered one of the last phrases. It is there that the main character is discussing the murder of Kirov with a friend.
                  Here is a friend of Sashka Pankratova who shares her doubts with him. His thoughts turned out to be murderous arguments. After reading a newspaper report about the murder, he says:
                  "There is something wrong, the Killer has not been caught yet, but it is already known who sent him"))

                  Here the situation is the same. Nothing extra serious has happened yet. And according to the article, it turns out that the story begins to repeat itself.
                  The article is clearly designed to warm up the already difficult situation in Ukraine. In particular, in Crimea. Someone really needs to push the parties together and get the corresponding political dividends
                  1. GorynychZmey78
                    GorynychZmey78 4 February 2014 04: 09
                    0
                    alone
                    Here the situation is the same. Nothing extra serious has happened yet. And according to the article, it turns out that the story begins to repeat itself.


                    Well, that is, that is
                    the article is really from the On war, as on war,))

                    but honestly it seems to me judging by the events in Ukraine that the world will not end
                    I already wrote that Bendera’s nowhere to go away with them, it’s not going to come to an agreement, they will either have to put on a caron or completely clean up the third option, I’m not moving anymore, which means that war is inevitable in any case and their actions as executors of Ukraine’s killers completely coincide with the interests of the customer and a symbiosis formed straight smile
                    I personally have nothing against the Crimean Tatars peacefully living in the Crimean areas of their great-grandfathers, but that the Crimean Tatra radical young fighters as well as their teachers and customers, too, are asleep in the hope of scrambling for a piece of the cake, I believe this is more than an obvious fact
                    everyone in this world is trying to play his card in the upcoming distribution of Ukraine, and the Crimean Tatars will certainly not miss such a dainty chance to take off for independence of the Crimea naturally under their national banners!
                2. smersh70
                  smersh70 3 February 2014 23: 32
                  -1
                  Quote: GorynychZmey78
                  bases of preparation of terrorists in the Crimea (this is a fact) n

                  even the Yanukovych SBU could not find these bases, and you say that this is a fact. Then the facts were in the studio. (Only not the videos of those who fought in Syria.) BASE.
                  Quote: GorynychZmey78
                  Maybe they don’t go to Europe, but in any case they are ready to hold

                  Why such loud statements. Do you have an agent inside their Mejlis or an analytical report on the conclusions of most Tatars.
                  Quote: GorynychZmey78
                  Russia once does not bring Crimea

                  Dear, Crimea belongs to another state. Moreover, surrender or failure on the part of Russia. By the way, where is the enemy smile
                  1. GorynychZmey78
                    GorynychZmey78 4 February 2014 02: 59
                    +1
                    smersh70
                    even the Yanukovych SBU could not find these bases, and you say that this is a fact. Then the facts were in the studio. (Only not the videos of those who fought in Syria.) BASE.


                    Of course I don’t have direct information on the location of the bases and it would be foolish to think that I have tactical data on their location and that they are directly laid out on the map links that you ask me
                    but to trust the officially laid out information of the special services of the SBU I personally have no reason!
                    Let me remind you that someone didn’t make a rebuke, but rather the infa of the official authorities of the Crimean Muslims

                    The Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Crimea and the Crimean Tatar Mejlis are clearly concerned about the growing influence of Islamic extremists on the Tatar community of the peninsula. Traditional Tatar leaders condemned those who went to fight abroad. Both organizations themselves complain to the authorities: the militants are being trained by “uncontrolled sectarian structures” who openly support the Syrian rebels and gather more and more supporters among Crimean Muslims.


                    smersh70
                    Why such loud statements. Do you have an agent inside their Mejlis or an analytical report on the conclusions of most Tatars.

                    in Lviv, too, once neo-fascists could be counted on the fingers! and now what? - thanks to the relentless influence of the zapad on young minds, after 20 years, we eventually got a wave of prepared and trained neo-Nazi radical movement that is already quite successfully striving for power!

                    question? and what prevented the Crimea from doing the same over these 20 years? also strengthen and train fighters of radical Islam to leaders interested in claims to this territory
                    it seems like nothing was wrong, but rather

                    smersh70
                    Dear, Crimea belongs to another state. Moreover, surrender or failure on the part of Russia. By the way, where is the enemy


                    Well, judging by the fluttering events, this is not for long.
                    and in this confusion with the separation of the Crimea, a confrontation may arise with radically-minded Crimean Tatar youth as well as with the involvement of Islamic militants from abroad, sitting out to the village on the sidelines and waiting in the wings, and still help the Maidan so much, but far from in full force! thereby creating a huge problem of Russia!

                    I honestly don’t believe in the peaceful outcome of events, Bendera’s have all gone too far and their appetites have nowhere to go anyway
                    so either they lead Ukraine to the registry office or it leads them to the prosecutor)) but it’s not going to end in peace
              2. Tersky
                Tersky 3 February 2014 21: 01
                +6
                Quote: smersh70
                .According to speeches and on TV (channel T) Astara4.8degrees - they took a neutral position

                Do not try to mold a white sheep out of a black ram. 1. Open ideological work on the peninsula of the organization "Hizb-ut-Tahrir" is recognized as terrorist and is prohibited in Russia and a number of other countries. 2. Already in the early 90s, the Mejlis and the Spiritual Directorate of Muslims of Crimea (SAMK) established close ties with ethnic separatists in Chechnya and Dagestan. These contacts continued after the transition of Chechen militants to the position of "Wahhabism", the declaration of a "jihad" on Russia and the involvement of activists of international Islamic terrorist organizations in the fight against Russian troops. So, regarding the events in Dagestan in January 1996, M. Dzhemilev said: "We do not consider the actions of the Chechen brothers to be banditry. This is an adequate response to Russian terrorism."... The Chechen factor was actively used by the Mejlis and the SAMK as a means of radicalizing the protest actions of the Crimean Tatars. Elements of Islamic extremism clearly manifested themselves during the mass demonstrations of the Crimean Tatars (with the active participation of Chechens) in March 1998 in Simferopol. The blocking of railways and highways led to clashes with law enforcement forces, as a result of which 47 Tatars and 19 police officers were injured of varying severity. 3. The Mejlis and the SAMK's public support for ethnic separatists and Islamic radicals began in Russian federal troops began deploying decisive military operations. The Chechen theme occupies a prominent place in the Crimean Tatar newspapers "Voice of Crimea", "Avdet", "Kyrym" and other publications close to the Mejlis. Leaders and activists of the Mejlis, the Islamic Party of Crimea, the radical party "Adalet", the Crimean Tatar Youth Center organize protest demonstrations and pickets at the Consulate General of the Russian Federation in Sevastopol, openly express Islamic solidarity with the "people of Ichkeria, who are waging a courageous struggle for their independence against Russian imperialism. ".1999. The Mejlis monopolized the role of interpreter for ordinary Crimean Tatars of all regional projects and initiatives put forward by the Ukrainian or Russian government. And this is not a complete list of the "neutrality" parade. In fact, an attempt is brewing in Crimea to play the second batch of the "Kosovo" variant, but unlike the distant Kosovo, Crimea has a very important historical and metaphysical significance for Russia. Here, in Chersonesos, each stone remembers the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called. Here, in Crimea, the Russian prince Vladimir adopted the Christian faith, which marked the beginning of the baptism of Rus. And to expand your horizons just in the topic of the article, follow the link-Mejlis and "Freedom" went closer
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 3 February 2014 23: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Tersky
                  Open ideological work on the peninsula of Hizb-ut-Tahrir organization recognized
                  1. what is happening in the North Caucasus and in the Crimea, there’s nothing to even compare. At least they don’t fight, unlike Chechnya and Dagestan
                  Quote: Tersky
                  Already in the early 90s, the Mejlis and the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Crimea (SAMK) established close ties with the ethnic separatists of Chechnya and Dagestan

                  2. And what links were established between Moscow and Chechnya in those years. i won't say anything
                  Quote: Tersky
                  The Mejlis monopolized the role of an interpreter to ordinary Crimean Tatars of all regional projects and initiatives,

                  3. the glory of God of God and computers, people have their own head to think of Amim. Among them there are many educated people, this is not Africa, Iran and Syria, so that the aetolla from the mosque would interpret the party’s foreign and domestic policies.
    4. alone
      alone 3 February 2014 19: 37
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      Already posted, but here as nowhere else
      SUPPORTERS OF EUROINTEGRATION

      These are Bosnians from the SS division Khanjar (Dagger)
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 3 February 2014 23: 40
        -1
        Quote: lonely
        These are Bosnians from the SS division Khanjar (Dagger)
        To the bulb bully but he put the photo, took the discussion aside for 41 years and the deportation of the Tatars, and received great approval. And why else be responsible for the photo to the Lonely. Class wassat
      2. GorynychZmey78
        GorynychZmey78 4 February 2014 01: 38
        0
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: Denis
        Already posted, but here as nowhere else
        SUPPORTERS OF EUROINTEGRATION

        These are Bosnians from the SS division Khanjar (Dagger)


        yes indeed in the photo judging by the field form the insignia of the division ss khanjar division which is translated from Arabic as a dagger
        Khanjar (Arabic: خنجر) - a short, curved Arabic sword

        here you just forgot to mention that she was typed exclusively from the Bosnian Muslims
        The 13th SS Mountain Division “Khanjar” (German: 13. Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS “Handschar” (kroatische Nr. 1)) is a SS army unit recruited from Muslim Bosnian volunteers in 1943.
        which in turn owe their appearance to the Ottoman Empire, that is, the same as today's Turkey
        Bosnians [4] [5], Bosnians (self-designation - Bosnians [6], Bosnians, Muslim, Bosnian bošnjaci, Muslimani) - the South Slavic people inhabiting Bosnia and Herzegovina. The second meaning of the word “Bosnian” is a resident of Bosnia and Herzegovina, regardless of ethnic or religious affiliation. Bosniaks arose as a result of the conversion to Islam of the Slavs (mainly Serbs and Croats [3]) of Bosnia, during its entry into the Ottoman Empire [7].

        from there and most of the people of the Crimean Tatars
        The vast majority of Crimean Tatars - Sunni Muslims belong to the Hanafi madhhab


        so part of the truth in the photo is still preaching!
        and the Germans (fascists) with the help of the Muslims, who were mainly immigrants from the former Ottoman Empire, and I really know what they promised there in return but somehow used them to reach their goals for the military (European integration) of Tagagno Europe and the Middle East
        do not agree? hi
        photo and info taken from Wikipedia for the SS division Khanjar (Dagger)
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 4 February 2014 01: 49
          0
          in general, yes)) but other than that
          Quote: GorynychZmey78
          from there and most of the people of the Crimean Tatars
          they moved from the northern regions of Turkey, but not like from the Balkans.
          1. GorynychZmey78
            GorynychZmey78 4 February 2014 03: 04
            0
            Quote: smersh70
            in general, yes)) but other than that
            Quote: GorynychZmey78
            from there and most of the people of the Crimean Tatars
            they moved from the northern regions of Turkey, but not like from the Balkans.


            what about and howl hi
  2. jjj
    jjj 3 February 2014 07: 18
    +12
    Their history does not teach anything. Again they want to wander around the world. Yes, who will be glad to them. They want to be khans, not dekhans.
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 3 February 2014 07: 39
      +10
      Quote: jjj
      Their history does not teach anything.

      And what would she teach them? They constantly forgave, Khrushchev was still a wit. We would have had too good a power for all the bastards, it would be normal, now sugar cane was collected in sunny Magadan.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 February 2014 09: 15
      +4
      Quote: jjj
      . They want to be khans, not dekhans.

      Most of the people in the world who wanted to be the first to end up being the last.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 3 February 2014 11: 16
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Most of the people in the world who wanted to be the first to end up being the last.

        Sasha hi ! Option for those wishing to be the first:
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 3 February 2014 15: 25
          +2
          Quote: Tersky
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Most of the people in the world who wanted to be the first to end up being the last.

          Sasha hi ! Option for those wishing to be the first:


          It’s dangerous it's two back laughing
  3. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 3 February 2014 07: 20
    +6
    Everything is as always in our history: all anti-Russian forces are united. Even the songs are the same. Tupka, Poles, 5 column. and behind them is the puppeteer west.
  4. Pohmelniy
    Pohmelniy 3 February 2014 07: 27
    +23
    Not even 70 years have passed, and every trash has spread its wings again. Joseph Vissarionych did not modify in due time.
  5. mountain
    mountain 3 February 2014 07: 28
    +9
    Well this time, it’s not necessary to resettle them, but to exterminate them. Yes, not horseradish, the guys did not understand. It's time to end these, NOT until .... mi.
  6. Grbear
    Grbear 3 February 2014 07: 37
    +5
    Yanuk played out in full growth. Nobody seems to need him anymore. An elegant combination - Unaites, Catholics and Muslims - will not be able to give birth to anything but Chaos, and rake to Christians.
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 3 February 2014 10: 15
      +2
      Uniates and Catholics have ceased to relate to Christians?
  7. makarov
    makarov 3 February 2014 07: 43
    +12
    If you believe everything that has been written about the events in Ukraine lately, then it can "tear the roof off". And as I observe, it really happens under the cries of "kill everyone", destroy, rot in prisons, etc.
    The question arises: - People (?), What the hell is your head, after all, not only for what to eat? Probably you need to think, analyze, and not blindly "eat" the material that is being served.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 3 February 2014 10: 12
      +2
      Pavel. If you have information what is the population of Crimea today? what percentage by nationality? by the proportion of youth in these nationalities? who is economically dominant?
      1. makarov
        makarov 3 February 2014 12: 51
        +3
        Uv.Sagat.
        In principle, statistics from 2000. little has changed.
        If you are curious, then please: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%F0%FB%EC

        there is also a graph of the population
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 3 February 2014 18: 50
          +3
          Pavel looked thank you, the only way to find out the dynamics in 14 years or not and everything is more or less stable (we have changed a lot both in terms of national composition and in the ratio of youth-adults). And of course, 10-12% of the Crimean population are Tatars, so their role in politics and economics is not only Ukraine, but even Crimea (it turns out an article about the Tatar threat zilch)
          1. vlad.svargin
            vlad.svargin 4 February 2014 08: 48
            0
            Semurg
            And of course, 10-12% of the Crimean population are Tatars, so their role in politics and economics is not only Ukraine, but even Crimea (it turns out an article about the Tatar threat zilch)

            "Small bug, but smelly" laughing
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  8. O_RUS
    O_RUS 3 February 2014 07: 44
    +7
    "- I believe that this revolutionary storm will cleanse Ukraine."

    Yes ... you read and think - That's what illiteracy, laziness and inaction leads to.

    "Currently, the leadership of the Mejlis plans to double the Crimean Tatar" contingent "in the zone of unrest in Kiev"

    It’s time to reduce the two instigators of the mess ... to work all together with lazy students.
  9. Sunjar
    Sunjar 3 February 2014 07: 46
    +12
    With all humanism, the thought creeps in that Comrade Stalin was a very kind person, since he did not shoot all the guilty traitors from the Crimean Tatars, and other traitors too, thereby reducing the population of this people to such an extent that it is impossible to fully recover.

    Once such scum will be faced with a choice: "Either you become" people "(in the broadest sense of the word), or become part of history - choose."
  10. shitovmg
    shitovmg 3 February 2014 07: 52
    +5
    America must be crushed !!! Propaganda, ideological, information war. Muslim and Arab worlds raise them. Without moral suppression of amers, nothing can be done. And Germany still press, politically and resources !!!
  11. stroporez
    stroporez 3 February 2014 07: 59
    +9
    soon Ukraine will receive its "Chechnya" ........ very sorry .........
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 4 February 2014 21: 24
      +1
      Quote: stroporez
      soon Ukraine will receive its "Chechnya" ........ very sorry .........


      What if they make concessions to the western part of Ukraine?
  12. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 3 February 2014 08: 01
    +10
    Tatars turned into the sharpest headache of Crimea. I do not want to be an oracle, but if in Ukraine the authorities do not come to their senses in the near future and take steps to completely clear the Maidan from the Nazis, the Tatars will seize the moment and really announce the formation of their autonomy. And then all according to the scenario worked out in Kosovo - recognition by Europe, the USA, the introduction of interventions to maintain democracy. And here Russia will have to make a choice - either open this abscess surgically or leave the Crimea, and this cannot be done in any way, because a holy place does not happen empty. The processes in Crimea will certainly spur similar processes in Tatarstan, Bashkiria, etc. There is the Balkanization of Russia. What we can do? First, by all means to help Yanukovych to stay in power, obliging him to then deal with the separatists in the Crimea. The second is to fully modernize the Black Sea Fleet, strengthening its power. Third, prepare the legislative framework for the return of Crimea, and above all, Sevastopol to the Russian Federation. And most importantly, to provide all possible support to the pro-Russian movements of Ukraine, making the protection of Russians and Russian speakers a national priority. If we lose Ukraine and Crimea, we will lose Russia. And our children and grandchildren will not forgive us!
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 3 February 2014 10: 14
      +2
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      attacks will seize the moment and indeed announce the formation of their autonomy.


      need to note that in Ukraine in Crimea there are about 300 000 Crimean Tatars (12%) and this is in contrast to more than 1 700 000 Russians and 700 000 Ukrainians + other nationalities. IMHO partisan resistance will not follow due to the small number and compactness of residence, therefore. they can bargain for preferences on the streets of Kiev, I hope that there will not be a violent scenario, for them it is suicide, of course, if the conflict is localized exclusively, on the territory of the ARC.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 3 February 2014 15: 39
        +2
        Quote: seller trucks
        need to note that about 300 Crimean Tatars (000%) live in Ukraine in Crimea and this is in contrast to more than 12 Russians and 1 Ukrainians + other nationalities. IMHO partisan resistance will not follow due to the small size and compactness of residence
        ...

        300000 is not enough?
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 3 February 2014 15: 53
          +3
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          300000 is not enough?


          depending on what interests you specifically, but not enough to dictate your terms in the ARC
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 4 February 2014 01: 54
            +1
            Quote: seller trucks
            depending on what interests you specifically, but not enough to dictate your terms in the ARC


            That is, following your logic, out of 300 you can’t create a partisan movement? How much do you need?
    2. vlad.svargin
      vlad.svargin 4 February 2014 08: 55
      0
      Old warrant officer
      And then all according to the scenario worked out in Kosovo - recognition by Europe, the USA, the introduction of interventions to maintain democracy.

      This is what the American ships with 600 "seals" on board are waiting for, ostensibly for the safety of the Sochi Olympics.
  13. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 3 February 2014 08: 17
    +8
    from the Don.
    The policy of all Ukraine’s preziks was extremely Russophobic. And they knew very well what bomb they planted in Crimea.
    But do not dig a hole to another — you can get into it yourself!
  14. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 3 February 2014 08: 32
    +9
    But hu-hu, not ho-ho! Crimea they wanted, bald corn grower, got away from Russia, and we are still silent. The fact is that if the Turks suddenly climb, they will be legally right. They recognized the property of Crimea only for Russia, and not for some other country! If Russia continues to liberalize, then everything will end badly. Yes, and the Crimean Tatars quickly forgot that you can "flourish" very soon beyond the Urals, the betrayal during the Second World War was quickly erased in their memory.
  15. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 3 February 2014 08: 39
    +4
    But this is far from a joke, and the threat is real, in this situation, it’s time for the Russian leadership to declare the protection of Russians on the peninsula and in every possible way to strengthen the military group and begin anti-sabotage actions, as well as strengthen the cover of the air defense of the peninsula, if the moment is missed, the situation may it’s explosive to get out of control, the Crimean Tatars are enemies, and the enemies are open and supported by the West, we must not forget. And it is necessary to recall the conditions for the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine and raise this issue, as soon as there is a hint of a division of Ukraine, immediately declare the transfer agreement invalid and must be announced now, then we will get a full-scale war with NATO peacekeepers.
  16. Neophyte
    Neophyte 3 February 2014 09: 14
    +3
    Crimea is one of the links in the fiery arc of pan-Islamism, if it blazes, it will not seem enough. Nearby Turkey
    dreaming of a caliphate. Naturally, the EU and the US will draw. In addition, the EU wants to get rid of militants from
    Syria.
    1. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 3 February 2014 14: 13
      +3
      Islamism - this is still an artificial education, remember the Afghan war, who gave money for Islamic movements, where did their weapons come from, and what has changed? Yes, the Middle East was nothing like the patrimony of Britain, even the United States remained guests there, and not a single Muslim preacher sneezes without permission from London, and the calls and screams when they kill people alla akbar have nothing to do with faith, rather that they want to completely discredit this faith, so that a Muslim associates with a shahid and a murderer, and this is supported in every possible way and once again I will say to faith that it has nothing to do although they are trying to present everything as religious protests.
  17. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 3 February 2014 09: 20
    +4
    It's time for our leadership to start organizing actions on the territory of our bosom states (from the words "for Adam's apple") friends, mass demonstrations to protect, for example, the Indians, or in every possible way to support the Scots in their desire to become a sovereign state, or the Brittans (in Brittany-France). It is already necessary to transfer to their homes what they bring to other countries!
  18. sscha
    sscha 3 February 2014 09: 29
    +2
    Quote: GrBear
    Yanuk played out in full growth. Nobody seems to need him anymore. An elegant combination - Unaites, Catholics and Muslims - will not be able to give birth to anything but Chaos, and rake to Christians.

    Moreover, I dare say, to Orthodox Christians, for our faith is not in our heads, but in our hearts! (In no way did I want to offend the followers of other faiths! hi )
    1. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 3 February 2014 10: 32
      +3
      Yes, you have not offended anyone, turn it around. Remember at least one war initiated by the Orthodox Church, or at least one witch burned by Orthodox Christians.
  19. negeroi
    negeroi 3 February 2014 09: 37
    +4
    Well, it’s already awesome to draw preliminary results. We have lost Ukraine. There is no longer Ukraine. There is a country in civil, nationalist, political confrontation. There is only one reason, and there are many of them, for war and disintegration. No matter how Kiev holds it together, and did not successfully oppose, the country will certainly fight. Not now, in a year, in two, everything will break out again. Yes, and it may well break out in three days. There is no longer Ukraine that we knew. There is Ukraine during the Civil War and two-time German occupation ,those. Ukraine is extreme. It is possible to discuss the reasons as you like, but the fact is that we have our unfriendly state in a state of civil confrontation at our borders. Since the reasons that led to this state have not been eliminated, and these are internal contradictions funded and warmed up by Russian competitors, the situation will not stopped soon. The buffer zone around Russia is working. And the most important thing now is to prevent a war on the Russian border, with Russia itself. In principle, the predicted scenarios came true-After Syria-Russia. Everything has already begun. This is not a civil war in Ukraine the war is already with Russia, even with all due respect for sovereignty and other other Ukraine. And the Tatars ... But what about the Tatars, what's the difference now, Tatars, Georgians, Ukrainians .. All the cards are played.
  20. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 3 February 2014 09: 39
    +2
    Let’s see what will happen after the Olympics. In general, Russia needed to pay more attention to the same Ukraine yesterday. You shouldn’t let this issue drift away. You need to support your people in rubles and words. They hid Zurabov from people's eyes and forgot. And what Zurabov can do better we all know everything to do. And what is the most interesting about our embassy in Ukraine, is there a word there? Instead of Zurabov, you need to put a competent person who will work specifically for the good of his homeland, and not just get paid.
  21. shelva
    shelva 3 February 2014 09: 41
    +3
    For all the time of Ukraine's independence, she was never able to gain a foothold in Crimea, which remained Russian. However, the Russophobic policy of the Ukrainian authorities, always acting according to the principle - "If we don't eat it, I will bite it like that," did everything to oppress the Russians, both materially and legally. At the same time, she played democracy with the Tatar population and "restored historical justice in relation to the repressed people." The Tatars were allocated large plots of land for building, the best places in cities, loans were issued for business development. With the constant support of the Islamic world, the Tatars have become financially stronger, and the connivance of the Ukrainian administration has created the conditions for their consolidation and integration into the world of Islam.
    With their hands, Turkey wants to return Crimea, and the Ukrainian authorities continue to oppress the Russians.
  22. Mihail29
    Mihail29 3 February 2014 09: 48
    +2
    You watch the telly, you read the articles and you understand that the matter has already spun so steeply that nothing can be fixed by democratic procedures.
  23. calocha
    calocha 3 February 2014 09: 52
    +1
    Tatars will make themselves felt before the Olympics itself, otherwise they won’t give money ..
  24. treskoed
    treskoed 3 February 2014 10: 04
    +1
    Currently, the leadership of the Mejlis plans to double the Crimean Tatar "contingent" in the riot zone in Kiev and expand the participation of its activists in anti-government protests

    How wise Comrade Stalin was when he deported the Tatars from the Soviet Crimea!
  25. operator_75
    operator_75 3 February 2014 10: 06
    +2
    It is believed that until the end of the Olympics, BB will not do anything. All movements will start later. Just as if you didn't have to end up at the "broken" trough ... Such issues must be resolved quickly and the infection should be squeezed in the "embryo". It's not for nothing that everything coincided in time, oh, not for nothing ...
  26. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 3 February 2014 10: 24
    +3
    damn, that’s how it will turn out like in its time in Yugoslavia. tear into three parts, but will be to blame ...... Question on backfill.
  27. Stinger
    Stinger 3 February 2014 10: 25
    +5
    Looking at the actions of these bastard rulers, it is not surprising that militants from Arab countries may soon appear in Kiev. The instigators come freely, why the gunmen cannot?
  28. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 3 February 2014 10: 26
    +4
    Yanukovych - Ukrainian Gorbachev, betraying his security officials and his people. Ukraine will have to go the way of the USSR if Russia does not intervene extremely severely, without looking back to the west. Which is hardly possible ...
  29. loginovich
    loginovich 3 February 2014 10: 29
    +5
    Together with the Uniates against the Orthodox, they will then fight among themselves at the request of overseas sponsors, and so on until the last Ukrainian
  30. operator_75
    operator_75 3 February 2014 10: 29
    +4
    Quote: Mikhail M
    Yanukovych - Ukrainian Gorbachev, betraying his security officials and his people.

    Also see the Peace Award pulls angry
  31. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 3 February 2014 10: 41
    +4
    Quote: makarov
    Probably you need to think, analyze, and not blindly "eat" the material that is being served.

    Pavel you are 100% right. Even with regard to this article, where is the nationality? I have many acquaintances and friends among whom there are Jews and Tatars, etc. All of them are adequate people and no matter how much "what is good and what is bad" is hammered into their brains, they will figure it out themselves hi But what to do? because young people and often old people are very susceptible to what they are told lol
  32. Egoza
    Egoza 3 February 2014 11: 34
    +2
    Here you need to remember one more "nuance"
    Now, due to frost, the Kerchinsky Strait has frozen, stopping the operation of the ferry linking the Crimea and the Caucasus. A lot of cars, as well as several regular buses, got stuck on the banks of Kerch and Taman. Of course, a good thing was conceived - to build a bridge, providing a fast crossing, but this is all in the future. But the opinion “by bringing the Caucasus closer to itself, Ukraine will also bring the problem of Islamist terrorism closer,” says a political scientist, an expert on the North Caucasus Sergei Kirichuk.
    Question! When the ferry will resume its work (the frosts are subsiding, they promise freezing temperatures), what will prevent the Caucasian militants from joining "in the struggle for a just cause"?
  33. pa_nik
    pa_nik 3 February 2014 13: 25
    +3
    In Crimea, they’re watching over Tatars ... wink Locals said that during the "seizure of lands by the Tatars", construction equipment and trucks with materials were stopped by local hunters and asked to turn around where they came from. Everything is clearly organized. Patrols, communications, rapid response teams. So the people in Crimea are fighting! good
  34. Owl
    Owl 3 February 2014 14: 23
    +3
    During the Great Patriotic War, reconnaissance groups of the Soviet Army and Navy, if noticed by the local (Tatar) population, were destroyed in 99% by fascist German units. Then the rule appeared: "Whoever saw the group - he should not tell about anything and to anyone."
  35. nikcris
    nikcris 3 February 2014 16: 02
    +2
    I myself am from Uralsk, now Kazakhstan. A family of Crimean Tatars lived on the first floor of the house. It was problematic to walk past the owner without receiving a spit. Therefore, when I left, I was not surprised that the "khoziin" had killed his wife. Schizophrenia, she is.
  36. homosum20
    homosum20 3 February 2014 16: 51
    +1
    There are many fools in the world. Crimean Tatars are no exception.
    The main thing is not to forget about it when they are asked again. And then our Russian generosity (stupidity) cost us side by side (over the rake) over and over again. Na.kh..n us these Tatars? Crimea will live without them. And you?
  37. delfinN
    delfinN 3 February 2014 18: 30
    +3
    We also have Tatars in Siberia. and they are very different from the Volga and especially from the Crimean. We have a Tatar, if he is your friend, then this is a true friend, you can be calm behind your back.
  38. ruslan7608
    ruslan7608 3 February 2014 19: 31
    +3
    Don’t confuse the Tatars of the Volga, Siberian and Crimean. Crimean Tatars have always belonged to Turkey for centuries. The Volga and Siberian Tatars live in Russia and have always tried to live together and closely with all the peoples of the country. Crimean Tatars have always wanted autonomy, but in the present if they are given it to them, then after some time they will want to become some kind of Turkish province. And they cannot be allowed to do this. As for Tatarstan, Bashkiria and I will say about my Ulyanovsk region, from time to time, we have figures who call for the fight against those who are not faithful and disseminating literature, but law enforcement agencies work and identify and stop it. Of course, not without the help of local residents including the Tatars.
  39. Leshka
    Leshka 3 February 2014 19: 58
    0
    second north caucasus
  40. porevith
    porevith 3 February 2014 23: 45
    -3
    I am from the Crimea, many Tatars are familiar, so this article is another nonsense. still not tired of the situation to heat up ??? spread yourself at the beginning, and then climb to the place where you don't know a damn thing.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 3 February 2014 23: 48
      0
      Quote: porevith
      so the article is another nonsense. still not tired of the situation to glow ??

      Mustafa Neuman who?
  41. Santor
    Santor 4 February 2014 02: 43
    +3
    Afghan Mustafa, Afghan, born in Kabul in 1980, Pashtun by nationality, the correct surname is pronounced Nayem. He did not finish the journals. faculty, like others, graduated from the Department of Information and Measuring Technology of the Faculty of Aviation and Space Systems of the Kiev Polytechnic Institute. Want to chat? Here is his Facebook page, I go regularly and try to communicate there normally, even with those who, apart from the phrases "death to the Jews and the pits", have not learned anything else in the school of the Yushchenko period https://www.facebook.com/Mefistoff

    Smart, prudent, sober, balanced and very brave man. Therefore, as a propagandist, he is very strong and dangerous. It is the propagandist, as Venediktov called him, because journalists are those who bring facts to people, and do not interpret them as they want or as someone needs.

    Completely under the direction and control of the second, and in fact the first person on Gromadsky television - Danila Yanevsky, who arrived urgently at the end of the 2013 from the USA (in Soviet times she defended the candidacy on the bright communist topic and already in 2008 the doctor on anti-communist :))). Danilo Borisovich is a very interesting person, he does not go forward and does not like to shine on screens. Already in 92, the Russian correspondent of Radio Liberty, then promoted to the Voice of America in the Ukrainian department, then the coordinator of the US National Democratic Institute, the head of journalism training programs for Ukraine and Russia, at 2000 was already the director of the Kyiv Council of CE / Liberty, at the same time the assistant to the Uniate Church relations with the Government, in 2010 with the advent of power, Yanyka hit the heights back to the United States, headed radio and immigrant newspapers there, and arrived almost at the end of the year. We must send young wolves .. Yes, I forgot, according to some reports, Danila Borisovich fruitfully and closely cooperates with the CIA as a staff member of the CAS CIA.

    Yes, I also forgot - the director of the Institute where he worked as coordinator is Madeleine Albright. This institute oversees the organization ENEMO, which controls elections in the countries of the post-Soviet space, funded like the Gromadsk television by the Soros Foundation, the James Woolsey Foundation (former director of the CIA), and MRI D. McCain.

    As far as I know, representatives of the Black Sea Fleet met with representatives of the Mejlis. The second - there they will now need help themselves, because they are threatened with showdown by field commanders from Syria. We are talking about a large sum from Turkey, who suddenly disappeared somewhere. Hence the death of the daughter and the setup of the son of the leader of the Mejlis.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 4 February 2014 09: 24
      0
      Quote: Santor
      Afghan Mustafa

      Oh how! I never would have said and thought!
      The media, the CIA, Soros, Albright, well, just a full set of propaganda machine USA! Thank you for your reference, we will have in mind! hi
      1. GorynychZmey78
        GorynychZmey78 5 February 2014 03: 02
        +1
        Yes biography impresses!
        from such a soup there’s definitely nothing good to expect